Club Shay Shay - Scarface Part 2

Scarface — the legendary rapper and Geto Boys icon — sits down with Shannon Sharpe at Club Shay Shay for an unfiltered conversation packed with raw stories, hip hop history, and unforgettable celebrity moments. Face takes the stage in New Balance shoes, jokes about “jonesing” Shannon, and sips award-winning Shay by Le Portier VSOP cognac. He reveals that he often plays golf with Shannon’s brother, Sterling Sharpe, calling him a scratch golfer still showing off his strength.

Born Brad Jordan in Houston, Scarface grew up with his grandmother, surrounded by his uncles’ music, a “crazy” grandfather, and the streets that shaped him. He recalls playing football like Walter Payton and Earl Campbell, ducking death during a store robbery, and surviving a shooting and open-heart surgery that stunned doctors. Face opens up about losing his biological father in a tragic shooting, his stepdad “standing in the gap,” and the sayings from his grandmother that still guide him.

Scarface reveals that Ice Cube, Ice-T, LL Cool J, and Will Smith inspired his storytelling style, and he names Big Daddy Kane, Rakim, KRS-One, Nas, Jay-Z, Q-Tip, T.I., and Lil Wayne among the greatest lyricists ever. He remembers beating Jay-Z, Eminem, and Prodigy for top lyricist honors in 2001, and says Chuck D, Big Daddy Kane, Ice Cube, and LL Cool J were his biggest influences. He talks about Black history being erased like old-school rappers being forgotten.

Face shares how Tupac became his “partner,” the wild stories from touring together, and the possibility they recorded Pac’s final song. He recalls being in the studio with Jay-Z as he freestyled verses without writing, and how Jay and DJ Khaled gave him lifelines when he was battling COVID and kidney failure like HOV did for Lil Wayne, DMX, 21 Savage. Scarface opens up about his own son ultimately donating a kidney to save his life. He talks about working with Kanye West, calling him a “cold” producer with beats for days, and having unreleased music together. Scarface also remembers discovering Ludacris as head of Def Jam South and learning from his mentor Ice Cube.

He weighs in on Jim Jones’ comments about influencing Nas, Drake’s claim that UK rappers are better than American rappers (“like saying Kobe is better than Jordan”), and ghostwriting in hip hop. He says Kendrick Lamar, Drake, Beyoncé, and Taylor Swift-caliber artists are the only ones making money from streaming, while calling for others to take their work off streaming platforms.

The conversation spans politics, fatherhood, and sports — from running for council to his love for the Houston Rockets, Kevin Durant, Jalen Green, the Texans, C.J. Stroud, and DeMeco Ryans, to respect for the young OKC Thunder. The episode closes with Scarface performing some of his biggest hits, breaking down their stories, and talking about making music with Mike Dean.

This is Scarface — from the streets of Houston to the studio with Tupac, Jay-Z, Kanye West, and beyond — telling the stories only he can.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Thank you for coming back. Part two is underweight streaming? No?
Absolutely not sure. So so should rappers take their their
music off stream to get it back to where people
got to pay real money to get it? Yep? I would.
I remember when there was ninety nine cent to listen

(00:20):
to it? Yeah, or some you know what I mean? Yeah? Like,
so here's the thing, like it cost. It costed us
so much money to make those albums. It cost so
much to pay a producer. But now you know what,
I think producers may make a beat for two hundred dollars.
Now I'm not lying, but I know, I know back
in together. You know, Doctor dra beat was two hundred

(00:43):
and fifty grand. You know Timberland beat was one hundred
and fifty two hundred thousand dollars. Wows as the Neptunes
and all of them that that shit was high. Yeah,
so it would be shameful to get a beat from
these top notch producers and then have to put your
shit on the and wait for it to stream. You know,
four thousand streams, A million streams is four thousand dollars.

(01:08):
What Yeah, one million streams is four thousand dollars. Wow,
So you gotta get so Brendan get in order to
get some money, you gotta do it like a billion
streams if you want some money. Yeah. So like Drake
and Kendrick, they doing billy, they bill doing billions and streams.
So they getting money, Yeah, Beyonce, Taylors plus streams, you know,

(01:32):
But I don't. It's it's too much. It's too much
red tape man in between that, because you don't never know.
It's kind of like the record selling to you don't
know how many records you're really sold, right, you know
what I mean when they tell you, let's just go
about what they tell you, you know, But the streaming,
I still I'm still not hipto how this works, right,

(01:54):
And that's why I'm not putting out any new music.
I'm not releasing any new music because it was just
be all done in vain because those people have come
up with something so slick to cut us all the
way out the money. You know, The mom and pop
saved hip hop. The mom and pop saved our lives

(02:14):
because if we couldn't do anything else, we canna sell
a hundred thousand records and make a million dollars. God forbid,
you sold a million records and made ten million dollars.
You know, but but you used to go back of
the day. You look forward to going to the shop
and getting the bottom you did, and you read the credits. Yes,
and you can roller square on the record, he said, yes, yes, yeah,

(02:39):
you know you popped the cassette in. I introed my
album to fix. I got this brand new face tape.
I'm about to pop in the deck for you. Turn
up the radio, you know what I mean? Yeah, like
we we had we had jams, man, and they sold
not just listening to shit, man, and I'm a i'm'na
listen to this, and i'm'a pay him half a penny.

(03:01):
But after this, I when hear something else and pay
him half a penny. No, you had to buy that
body of work. Yeah, like you can't. You can't, like
a a A a real artist, man. You can't judge
their body and work by one song. Okay, I would way,
I would prefer way more if someone would just listen
to an album from front to back. That's why all
my shit jam from front to back, because I had

(03:23):
a chance to listen to my album from front to back,
right and then jammed. You had death Jam soud. You
was running death Jam souths when y South, when you
discovered Ludacris, I can't say I discovered Ludacris. He fill
in your lap a whole lot of shit feeling. Ludacris
was already doing numbers. You know, he was already a

(03:45):
uh he was. He was on the radio, yep. And
he already thirty thousand records sold already. Oh that, what's
your fantasy? Yep. So it was. It was like a
hands off artist to me, and he just fell on
the left. Death Jam picked it up and push it
a little further. But you gotta think about all of
the other artists that slipped through the crack. You got

(04:05):
an opportunity where you try to get TI, try to
get ross. Yeah, David Banner, m uh start naming 'em.
I tried to bring 'em over there. But back then,
the music that was coming from down South was so
iffy to them. M like the the music from down
south is so iffy to them. They wouldn't on it
right like they on it right now. You know, at first,

(04:28):
you'd never you didn't hear that right coming from the
east coast up of California. Now that's all you hear.
Even if you're not from down South, your music still
sound like you from down South. Correct. That's crazy, Yeah,
but it is what it is. What have you learned
about money? Face? It's only it's money. Like religion, man,

(04:52):
it's only as good as the person who has it
or who believes in it. You know what I mean,
Cause you could be you could be a uh a,
a a very very rich person and create a facade,
you know, for everybody else, like you're the best person

(05:13):
in the world, right, But when you're elected in the
and the and the lights get put on you, then
they realize what kind of piece of shit you really are? Right,
Or you be just a regular person with no money,
right and be the greatest person in the world. So
it's only as good as the person who believes in

(05:34):
it or has it. It's like religion. I think. Fat
Joe said on this u his podcast Joe and Jada
that rappers may paycheck to paycheck. You believe that it's possible.
It's possible cause you gotta think about it. You get paid, well,
I don't know how to get paid now. I don't

(05:56):
know how to get paid now. But you got paid
twice a year that's it. So you had to make
that money last yeah, oh you had to do a
lot of shows, right, Yeah, you got paid in uh September,
in March. Oh, the game is, the game is all

(06:21):
the way around crooked, right, you know, and and and
and nah, you made it. You sold all of those
records and you get paid twice a year. And then
they got something they called reserves. They put some records
in reserves in case they come back. And it's like damn,

(06:42):
then you never see that, right, and then it's like, wow,
they got a cold system going on. But it is
what it is, right, you know. That's that's that's the
way that that that's the way they designed it. And
I'm looking at all of the older artists that's like
older than me. I'm looking at uh uh couldn't get
all his ship back, you know, they got it to

(07:03):
where so your your your thing's gonna revert back to
you after what twenty five years? Thirty five thirty five?
So you ain't got but like you ain't got like
ten to go ten, Yeah, you ain't got much longer.
You think I gonna be here that long? Yeah? You
be here? Okay? Yeah, I mean come to Houston. Men, right,
I'm not kicking it with you, bro face, No, sir,

(07:26):
same age. I mean when you just talked, you saw
you say same age, were closer the age I said.
You just say the same close brother, you're almost sixty. Well,
damn faith, Why you giving up my info? Bro Ain't
nobody ask you that? But you I got the cards
when you get But you know what you just talked.

(07:48):
We were talking about snitching earlier. You remember you missed,
you mentioned. But you know what though, when you walked
in the middle, I say, man, that man walking like
nothing hurt? What they do? I got artificial hips like yeah,
and then you don't feel none of that? Plain no, boy,
when I give up, man, everything hurt. Man, you get

(08:10):
your hips replaced. Man, I mean I've been there. I
mean hurt, sitting down, hurt, walking, hurt, sleeping, hurt, standing, hurt,
everything hurt. Man, I might need to get a new hip.
They put you got two hips, got both of them.
They put two hips in what they look like perfect.
I mean cause you got to realize your hip. No,
I'm not your hips are? They call probably authritic? And

(08:32):
so they go. So you got got like like some
hips that came out of pornch or they made you
some hips. They they're a ball because the hip socket
is a ball. So they just took the old hip out.
So a hip is a ball, Yes, ball socket? Yes, face,
did you see them? Did you actually? Yes? Actual help? Yes,

(08:53):
I could have kept it. I was like, no, I'm good.
You don't ever want to remember that ship number. Yeah.
I got up out the chair man and channel and like, damn,
fa what you man? Man? Sh hurt that I play
golf every day and I'm hurting right now. Look like
you played football every day. Hey, shit, I'm gonna bake

(09:15):
your ass. Man. You better leave me along, leave me alone.
But we keep me the tempt show. We told talking
to face off camera. Face got kids six seven, who cares? Hey,
this sounded like a uh he's sounded like a It's
not like he's not like an old ass nigga that

(09:35):
coached uh uh little league t ball. Everybody get over there,
Everybody get over there and pick the balls up. Dan,
you'll get your glove off the ground. Something. What's wrong
with you? But I read you where you said you
you're terrible? You bad father? You weren't we terrible? If

(09:57):
you got better? Have I gotten better? Chris? Damn? See
all right Chris, oh, he said, ask the question. Yeah,
so he faced that he uh he didn't do too
well as a father. No, he better than now Chris.

(10:21):
H yes, I'll say he said. Yeah, Chris would lie
Ship Chris line now when it happen because you were
so young, because yeah, you're oldest. I mean you had
your oldest like seventeen. Yeah. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't.

(10:42):
I didn't really. I didn't really look at fatherhood as
like being a father. I just figured that you throw
money at and cover it up. But uh, watching my
children with their children has made it gave me a
better father. I was like, oh, Ship, so this is

(11:02):
what it is. Yeah, you know you're a better grandfather
than you are father than you were father. I can
say that for sure. Yeah. My grandson come by the
house the other day, man, and that that chump uh
trump walking and you know, mother grandboy and trump walking

(11:27):
and talking and every time you see me, go hey,
that's what I say to Him'll be like, hey, you
mean like when you see me on the face, Hey,
what do they call you? Grandpa? Face? G G. Yeah.
But but Chris Greg. Yeah, they called me popo. He
started that ship. That's all right, I'll get him back.

(11:49):
That's that's what That's what my grand called me. My
grandson called me pap up. I want to be pop up. Man.
That's too bad. What you what you though? He's in
sixty bro, Bro, you are sixty. That's close as I'm
thirty six months older than you. Man, that man counting
shit I would have been like and why I should
have stayed in school. Man. I can't remember shit, man,

(12:12):
I can't remember nothing. Man, I can't remember nothing. Man.
Are you cool? Are you you cool with the parents
with their mom? I think so, yeah, because you ready
to e But you know what that at this point
it ain't even about being cool with the mom is
no more. That's about being cool with the kid. But
you had a situation where you giving cash to one
of the moms and not through the court. Yeah. I mean,

(12:34):
everybody's gonna go through that shit. Yeah, everybody's gonna go
through that shit, man. And I think that that is
probably the most unfair thing that you could do to
a man. As a matter of fact, that creates a strain,
uh in parenting, you know what I mean? You'd be like, man,

(12:54):
I don't want to spend time with my daddy and
be like he was a he was a token. You
was a check. You wouldn't you wouldn't you was a
you wouldn't that right? This ain't that you know, you
was a pawn right for a bigger scheme. I don't.

(13:14):
And it's sad. You know that that kid has to
suffer like that. Yeah, because the lady wanted to drag
the parent the other parent through some shit and it's
all on us. Did you got to go through this
shit too? I have? Yeah, so they they there's it's
everything fall on the on the dude, you know when

(13:35):
but we were young. I think the thing is face
like when you young, you don't really It's not like
you know when you have if you have kids like
in you late twenties, early thirties, but when you're having
kids as a teenager in your early twenties, y'all don't
know how to be no parent and you do and
you're not doing what's in the best interest for the kid.
I get mad at you. I'm punting. I'm trying to
punish you, but I'm actually hurting the kid. And it

(13:57):
wasn't until you start to realize, like, look, come on, now,
it's about them anybody else. And then once you realize that,
you're like, okay, okay, okay, yeah, well in my case,
big bro, and and a whole lot of cases. And

(14:20):
I can speak for a lot of men out there,
like in that situation that had a lot of money,
it's it's it's guys that don't wanna parent them them
kids though some some kids because the mother used that
kid as a as a payday. He like, here, I'm
just gonna pay you off. Bruh. I don't want 'em
to do it either, one of y'all. And and that
that's some bad shit too. Shit, it is, absolutely, you know,

(14:41):
but it is what it is. If if Mama would
have been you know, straight up in the beginning, then
that wouldn't have been the result in the end. Right,
And and don't do bad shit to everybody else because
you know, the shit didn't work out with you, right,
m you know, don't be better at and him because

(15:01):
it didn't work out, you know, just take yeah, you
have to do sometimes you just have to bite your
lip and do you know, hey, I understand you don't
like me. But hey, I'm still gonna come get the kid.
They going to the super Bowl, they gonna be with
me during the summer. They're gonna do all that and
all that ship all that. I get it. Yeah, yeah,
and and and it works like that. In some cases

(15:23):
you have to Chris just left. But Chris is your son,
and he gave you take a chance at life. He
gave your kidney when you gave him the first chance
to go ahead? No, when when when you found out?

(15:43):
Because obviously you got to go to the match. It's
not a match, that's that's not that's not true. No
if if if, me and you, Yeah, yeah, we have
to see if we match, right. But he come out
of my nut bag, right, So I know that's that's
that's my kid, you know what I mean? Yeah? So,
so how do you how do you ask the son?

(16:04):
I did not really he asked me. You broke down crying,
did you? No? Not? Then I probably couldn't now though,
because he saved my client. Yeah, you know what I mean?
I said, Nah, I need a Ferrari. That's what juld

(16:25):
have said driving mound. That's why I ain't call you.
That's Mary, Why call your ass? Because I knew what
you was gonna say, Kris, Hey, Chris, you should have
held out, Chris, you could have got it. And then
just this past I think it was what October you
had August? August? Yeah? Yeah, were you short? Were you

(16:47):
having shortness of breath? What was going on? Uh? So?
I had an aardy hernia back in two thousand and fourteen,
and when they scoped me, they noticed that I had
an aneurysm on my A order a small one mm
and they was like, you know, we ain't gotta do

(17:08):
nothing now, but we gotta watch it. And I was like, okay, cool.
And I was like, well, y'all might well going on
and fix it if you can, you know. They say, nah,
we gotta cut you off. And I was like, n no,
thanks you right, yeah, no, thank you. And as time
went on, man, time went on, we was watching we
was watching it, We was watching it, we was watching it.
Caught the COVID, uh kidneys fell you know, running the hark.

(17:32):
You know, they didn't know what the COVID was. I
was probably one of the first people in America to
have this shit. Wow. Yeah, and they they seeing what
it did to your heart, seeing what did to your
lungs and all this, and they noticed that the little
thing was getting bigger, the aneurysm was getting bigger. Fast
forward to uh, kidney transplant. It's there, It's time to

(17:52):
go ahead and get it done, right, you know. But
I pushed it off, pushed it off, pushed all, pushed it.
I'll pushed it off for years and and it kept
getting bigger and bigger. It just wouldn't go up. It's
not gonna go away, right, that problem is one of
those ones that just don't go away. So my cardiologist

(18:20):
you know, did their all. He worked me up and
looking at it and introduced me to my surgeon. His
name is doctor Andrea Corti, probably the most sought out,
the uh best heart surgeon in the in the world.
He did uh he did babies, m you know, he
did their surgeon right, So he's he's really really incredible.
Uh long story short, man. He was like, man, he

(18:44):
wanted to put me on a trans transplant list to
get a heart transplant. Wow, yeah, he said, man, why
don't you do it? Just see T scans so I
can just see what I'm up against, right, you know.
So that Friday, well, well that whatever day, that was

(19:04):
we did the set skin he saw it or whatever,
and then I say, well, i'm'a be ready when I
come off this tour. And I can't remember what month
that was then it maybe in February or something, and
he insinuated to you know, he said something to the
extent of m like, I may not have that much
time mm, but I didn't wanna have this shit done

(19:27):
in the first place. So I was willing to run
to run the risk of dropping Dad on stage if
I had to. Right, it's a real shit. It's real shit.
When I uh came back off the tour, I had
an appointment and uh, he said, we're gonna schedule it.
This was in April or or June. We were scheduling

(19:52):
for August, right alright. So time kept coming there, kept
getting there, kept c kept just coming. It's in cycling, man.
I go to the to to the doctor and they
wanna do another seat scan and n op it out
of it Friday. That Friday, I said, I'll come back
Monday and do it cause I gotta be in here
Tuesday to do the surgery anyway. So I went in
that Monday morning and got the the seat scan done

(20:13):
and they would looking at it and everybody looking nervous
and words right, and uh, I told him to take
this shit out of my hand. I'm not staying here.
I'm having surgery in the morning. I'm tryna go. And
one of those doctors came in and told me. He
was like, hey, man, you coming in the morning, have surgeon.
I say yeah, he said, good, don't forget right. I left.

(20:34):
I I'm I'm having uh lunch with with m with
a good friend of mine and her bodyguard. And they
call my phone then and uh, she said it was
a curtain coordinators that said, eh, the doctor said, you
need to back in the hospital now. You need to

(20:55):
be back in the hospital right now. I say, well,
I got a tea time, tell the doctor, Tell tell
the surgeon to call me and tell me that hisself.
So two seconds later, my phone rings and I say, damn,
die it busted. They say, I don't know if it
happened a week ago or ten minutes ago, but you
need to get back now. So I went and I

(21:18):
got me a pint of ice cream and some butter
pecan no vanilla from homemade vanilla, and I went to
uh uh Francis, cause I knew that was it. So
you said, I'm gonna have me some vanilla ice cream,
ran some fried chicken, fried chicken. Yeah. I went to
the hospital, man, and I remember my mama saying that

(21:41):
it's just a win win for him. If he lived,
he win, If he died, he win. And uh shit,
I got up a couple of days. I didn't even know.
I didn't even know it was uh. I thought it
was like the same dang right. It was like two
days later, like a day of some change. Lad. Yeah.

(22:03):
Like I was out of there, and when I woke up,
they had two in my mouth and I could breathe,
but I couldn't breathe, so which Pelicia was like, put
it back down, put it back down, Like I was
trying to take that tube out of my mouth, but
they had me strapped down and I couldn't breathe, so
they put me back out again. And then they put

(22:24):
you in a coma head and they put me back out,
but the lady was trying to get me to do ship,
and I was like, all of a sudden, I just
went because I remember calling you and you're like, man,
I just I said, man, stop boys. Yeah, I had
it and I woke up, man from that ship with
without everything, and you the only one I left. Face

(22:45):
tied each other, man, I said, Man, you ain't had
no damn overheard surgery. He said, Man, as about as
the after the fall lood you hate no face tied
the heart open. Nah, you got it. But but the
first thing I said when I woke up, I seen
my mama. Man. I looked at my mom. What's some
tough mama talk? Mama tough? And she said, yeah, that

(23:08):
you tough. But that was the first word to my mama.
And I'm tough, mama. Yeah. Now you work out, you
watch what you eat? No, you don't watch what you eat?
Get up and walk away from me. Yeah, no, I'm
just playing. You said, if you knew you're gonna live

(23:29):
so long, you took better care. And you say, man,
my mama used to say that. Man, Now I understand why. Yeah,
gona live this long. I take better care of myself.
You still eat the oxtails, though, you still eat fried chicken.
You still eat pork chop. No, I don't you eat
fried caffie. No, sir, you eat nothing fry. Once in

(23:49):
a while. I don't really eat bad and I don't
eat a lot either, So what's the tip? What's the
typical meal? Okay, you gotta beat breakf you you're a
breakfast person. I am okay. You what grats? Eggs? No?
I eat a uh two uh to uh scrambled not
scrambled over easy eggs okay. And I eat a chicken

(24:12):
sausage with it, okay. And then for lunch I may
eat a salad, and then for dinner it he'll be
anything y you know eat salad? Ah? I mean I
mean not just a salad. Yeah. I can't eat a salad.
So you have kicking on it. You have you like salmon?

(24:35):
I love salmon, That's my favorite, That's my go to.
But nah, I don't really. I don't really go ham
on food no more because I've been fat before and
I'm taking testosterone shots and I'm getting fat again. So
y are you not working out? Not yet? What you
wait on? Man? I gotta get that. Man. I just
had open heart surgery later a year ago. I don't
wanna belitter. Don't wasting this motherfucker bus back open. I'm

(24:58):
sitting on the football field with my Little League FOOTBA team,
and excuse me trying to teach his kid. Yeah, how
do a goddamn push up? And I get down there
and I feel the ship pulling the party. I'm like, damn, yeah,
well you took you took the shot for you started
working out. You're supposed to work out. Did take the shot?
N fast? See there you go looking at me. I can't.

(25:23):
I can't with you, maast, you won't take nothing serious?
How did you? How did you? Guys? Uh, the ghetto boys?
How did you? How did that come about? Well? You
all friends? Did y'all know each other? But damn getting
know him? Most people in the start a group, they
know each other with the high school together with the
middle school lived in the same neighborhood. How the hell

(25:44):
y'all former group and I know each other from the jumps,
so uh. The scarfaced song Jay heard it and then
coming to the crib wanted me to be a ghetto boy.
So I get into the van. This is the infamous
van and Willy and Red and Bushwick and I think

(26:04):
Jukebox was there, and he was. Bushwick was a dancer
at the time. He wasn't even no rapper yet, right,
And it was me Willy then Jukebox that was rapping.
That's why when you listen to trigger Happy, I can't

(26:29):
say it was that it was a couple of songs
that uh Jukebox had did when he was a part
of the Ghetto Boys. That knew when me and Bushwick
and I mean that when me and Willy. Bill wasn't
in the group, he wasn't just a dancer at that time.
And let me remember this correctly, But some kind of way,

(26:57):
Jukebox had left the group. And I don't remember if
it was Willy's idea or Jay's idea. Whose idea was
to have this little rapper talking cash shit and rapping,
you know, uh uh a little guy. And so from
that point on, Beado worked with him in the in

(27:19):
the uh in the mirror, you know, helping him, you know,
with his with his words, with his raps, and and
and Willie and I wrote records for Bill, right, well,
he recited him. But I didn't know Bill, and I
didn't know Willy. I didn't know none of them, you know, right,
and read left the group before my mind playing tricks

(27:47):
on me came out before that. We can't be stopped
out right, and shoot, that's kind of how I went. Yeah,
I didn't know nobody, and they didn't know me. But
I would make a record with them and I would
just be I'd be gone back, I'd make a song

(28:07):
and I would leave. But then Jay put us at
the ranch, and then we had to stay there. Right,
So we make a song and then start another song,
and then start another song, you know, And we did
that for a week or two, right, We made that
first Ghetto Boys album in a week or so, two
weeks if the b if there was a biop about
the Ghetto Boys, Who's gonna pass the scar face? What

(28:28):
age were you in the ghetto boy? What age the
you gotta say? What like? We're talking about why I
watched the time that I was in it? Yeah, I
don't know. I'd have to use one of my kids,
like Cube, did Cube? You this kid to portray him?
But can your kid rap? Chris? Can you rap? Brad

(28:54):
can rap? Brice can rap? Okay, somebody can rap? If not,
I would find an actor that somebody good, probably the
dude that played Bobby Brown or something. Uh J Prince
said the Fred the Fairs tried to get you to
flip on him. Do you remember that time? They always
try to get somebody to flip on Jay. Yeah, but

(29:15):
you stay ten toes it, said J. J. Prince said
him sug irv got it. Would try to create a
distribution label, and that's when all the shit started. Really well,
I feel like that when they was talking about uh
flipping the flipping the script and taking the power away.
You know, I think if you putting out your own

(29:39):
she a hundred percent independent, that you putting up triple
platinum albums independently then and you taking everybody out, can't
nobody eat off of it. But but y'all right, hell,
somebody's gonna start paying attention because you with somebody's money, right,
you know, And this ain't nothing but this that the
man America ain't nothing but money and law. That's it.

(30:00):
You got money in the law, right, that's the only
thing that separates money in the law. The album cover,
We Can't Be Stopped is that the greatest cover? I
hated it. Why if you look at my face on
that on that album cover, I absolutely hated that cover.
What the I just feel like it was, you know,

(30:20):
I always say that too, like I think I honestly
think that that was chief that pulled that patch down
off Billie, does a girlfriend really shoot him in and
I that's y'all made that up. No, a girl shot
Bill in an eye for real? We shoot him with
twenty two twenty two. Yeah, shot him in the eye.

(30:50):
So he wouldn't make it that up and say my eye.
I wasn't now, Oh, but I know that he shot
him in the eye. She shot him in the eye
a hard cover though he was a hard cover. But
you know the man was that Bill wasn't even woke.
He's sitting up and that motherfucker dad. He was like,

(31:16):
how y'all do the band like that? Man? I wanted
to see what I'm saying. That wasn't me, Hey, but
chief had it with the phone in his head. You
got the property ass back up. Look so up, Bill Politics.
You ran for counsel and then you gonna rustle. Yeah

(31:40):
you ran, but say the counsel. You're gonna do it again.
You do what I am. I was gonna do it
this time. But this snake in the grass. Yeah, you
don't say no names, but he's a snake. He was
telling me that he was gonna do this in this seat,
and I was gonna do that in that seat. And yeah, man,
we're gonna do this to together.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
Man.

Speaker 1 (32:00):
We gonna be together man. Mm and then push turned
into a shove and Homeboy was like, did something else?
So nah, I'm gonna do it though again. You can
do it again. Yeah, but they won't be on those
terms though, right, and be on my own. Have you

(32:23):
always been in the politics?

Speaker 3 (32:24):
I have.

Speaker 1 (32:26):
I've always been in the politics. Tricks, politrics, politricks. Okay,
that's what's happening now, right. I think that if people
really gave a damn about the condition of black people,
then they would do more than talk, right, you know,
they would do more than spoon feed us. If you really, really, really,

(32:50):
really really gave any a damn about the condition of
of our community, then you would do what needs to
be done for that community. And it's not putting programs
in place, or it's not you know, government assistant, or

(33:14):
it's not this or that or taking our education away
from us, so we will never know who we are.
It's not that, all right. And I don't know why
a certain group of people feel like they have to
continuously punch down that's a word, punch down on black people.

(33:35):
I know for a fact that black people are so great,
so great. I'm talking about birthright great, birthright great until
people would do anything to dim that light, do anything
to dim that light or make you forget who you are,

(34:00):
and then impose and interject the you that they want
you to be. And and that's that would be the
you that you become if you really think about it.
I know you're a sports fan and your guys got KD.
Y'all gona win the championship this year. I like KD.

(34:20):
I like KD too. I asked you, you're gonna win
the championship? I said, I like KD. Damn. We have
a y'all got a good ass team. We got a
KD and Thompson. Y'all. Uh Sung Shin Gooon. Y'all resigned
Van Shing gooon. Spill it never mind, cause look when
I was a love boy. Hold was when I was

(34:42):
a little boy, Right, we said a big ass word
and my grandmother been like so and so so and
so spell it. Yeah. So when I heard Shang goon, yeah,
I said, spill it. Yeah, I think it's s e
n gu have you speller boy? So one time Brad
was like for and Bryce was like two right, and uh,

(35:04):
Bryce walked up the Brad and he slapped the ship
out of bread and I heard and I looked back
and Bryce said, ooh, Brad, I'm sorry, Brad. I'm so sorry, Brad.
I'm sorry, Brad. That was an accident. And I say accident.
Spelled accident. He said, b r y ce accident. It

(35:28):
was an accident. It didn't be to do it, Bryce
spelled accident. That was really good. Yeah anyway, Yeah, so
y'all win the championship this year. I didn't say that
the Texans y'all win the championship. I love C. J. Stroud,
I love our head coach. I love I like Miko,
I like the Mico Ryans is a meaning that he

(35:50):
was a coal a line. But I I don't have
nothing bad to say about the Texans and the Rockets
all the Astros. I think we got three uh different
sports franchises that are excellent so that we can go
to the games and stuff. I'm not going nowhere with you.

(36:11):
I wouldn't and it's not me and I'm not the junior.
That's why they don't have me in their seat. But
I don't move Jalen Green and a few uh first
round draft picks KD. At this age, they're trying to
win now, like tomorrow, okay, yesterday, I may. I don't

(36:34):
think there's nobody in the league that's gonna be better
than KD right now. Yeah, so, but he's thirty eight,
thirty six, Oh he thirty six years, Warren Hey telling
man with thirty eight, oh he thirty six years? Oh shit,
I would have took kdny any day. I thought he
was old as hell. I thought you remember when the
Rockets picked up Scotty Pippets. Yeah, Scotty people is like

(36:55):
forty two. Yeah, like damn you make thinks his last lead? Yeah, yeah,
KD ain't only his last letter. K got jan ass game.
So now KDS thirty six, yarull have made it. And
yeah we'll probably get to the to the dance, but
we gotta go see goddamn steff Man and Steph can
shoot from outside in the parking like this. You'all gotta
go see the thunder two. Oh them young cats with

(37:17):
no name, Yeah, you're talking about the no name game.
Ain't got no names over there. They don't have no
big name. They got a big name over there. The
MVP he a big name now, but was he a
big game, big name. I mean, I mean, he's just
been averaging thirty the last three years. I'm just saying
he's a he wasn't. You ain't Lebron and James and
uh shay, you're not. You're not saying, oh that's cold,

(37:38):
like you know, yeah, but yeah, But I mean you're
talking about historically all time transcending great players. They but
ain't but a thousand of them. But what I'm saying
about these kids is they that's a team full of
no name. Uh they're not star names. They they're great,
they're not starring. That that works for them, and that worked, man,

(37:59):
and they kicked as man they kick. I'm so proud
of the thunder Man. Like there was. Little kids made them.
Kids can't beat. I was the oldest twenty five. I
think the average age is like twenty six. God dang,
and you did that. They did that. Wow. I'm very
that's at at coaching. Let me let me, let me
get off the players and now get on the coaching
because they probably had that team a couple of years

(38:21):
ago too. It got better that coaching man, That coaching bro.
Can't beat that coaching man. So now I'm proud of
the thunder. So we gotta get through uh stuff, and
then we gotta get through the no name gang that,
and then we'll we'll get to the dance. Face, thank thanks,
will start buy they don't squeeze up the head, hard bro.

(38:42):
I swear to goodness much of love. You see you
try to get me. I wasn't trying to squeez that motherfucker. Man.
His head feel like two big ass ketchens. Men's right
and down. I'm trying to shake the man head. Scarface,
ladies and gentlemen. What's gonna be unique about this? Today?
We're gonna throw out a song and and Face is

(39:04):
gonna tell us the meaning behind the song, where it
was what he was thinking when he actually wrote the
lyrics to this song. So the first song we're gonna
start out with is Mary Jane and how the music
came out, how that came about? Yeah, so I'm in there.
I wrote it originally to the commod Arch song called
say Yeah Okay, you'll feel that now that you know
that like the way the words is faced out, So

(39:25):
I wrote it like that. I ended up recording in
l A and Mike then came up with a piano
line that went like this, it was like. And then
tone hit the drumm and it was kind of like, right,

(39:50):
I remember clearly because I had took a this is bad,
but I took an ecstasy and it's just one of them.
Being in the studio in the vocal book by yourself,
and it was cold, and the only thing that came
to my mind was and I don't really remember feeling

(40:11):
like this, right, And it went That's how it went.
I wanted to I wanted to make it sounds like
I was talking about a woman, right, right. So I

(40:32):
met my mother in law's house. My wife is laying
in the bed sleep and I'm like, damn, I've got
this love foreman in my life, for this dame and
indeed up the form of life. And that's a shame.
How man can fall in love with leaves and low
of brains, not afraid to let you up and leave
and do your things. Shout a happiness with all my folks,

(40:53):
and got us high for the days that we was hey, wait,
share her happiness with all my folks. Got us high
for the days that we were lost and broke ship.
I said ship in this song got us by on
the radio, got ye got us by only right man
stopped and get the crops, because she came to flock up,

(41:14):
only find the traps. I need to hear you sing.
So the same chick that sung mister thugs ruggish bone, Yes,
sung the hook on this really really, and and she
went and toe was saying, say, Mary, I love. That

(41:37):
came from the Rick James part of Yes, Mary I love. Now,
I pick up my guitar and I put a being
that's going and then and then the hook came back in.

(42:06):
It was like Mary love you second versus like when
the world starts to stretch you out, what you do
for the cancer, stick off in your mouth or grab
a brew sold in stores. But the fact remains this,

(42:28):
and they were made and the government's been taxing that
getting paid. That's why I was all illegal in the
first place. That's why I was all illegal because the
government couldn't tax it and get paid from him. But
if it's TAXI bull is cool, it's smoke, then killing
not and then alcohol is killing folk. True or not.

(42:49):
Other people try to make you bad, but I know
you not. When my situation it's looking sad, I know
I've got a true friend in my time and need
because you all I need girl. You naturally you come
from seeds, not out of greed. It makes me happy
when I'm feeling painted once again. It makes me happy
just to eat your name, do your thing, Mary Shaane.

(43:19):
Just sit there and you just smoke down. Yeah, when
you didn't need to smoke out, you already hide. Yeah,
but that song makes you smoke out. I was ext
when I was exactly when I wrote it, and that's
why you hear the The first word is going got
this love forming in my life and then it got
number for this day and indeed the form of life.

(43:39):
That's a shame, like it was some shit going on
in that song. That was kind of and you had
to be high face. When you're writing a song, do
you have an idea of the coorse that no clue,
no clue, You just writing the words. I'm just writing
the music, okay to song, and then no words will

(44:01):
kind of come like you kind of start off with
a piece of an idea and then you write a
verse to it. And then whoever you're working with on
the song, will you know, we'll start working on it
more and putting it more together. So you write your
first person, you lay it, and then you work on
their music a little bit, and you go home and
you write the second verse, and then you put the
first verse of the second verse, and then you write

(44:22):
the third version, and you lay it all and then
you listen to it and listen to it and listen
to it, and then you go back and rerecord it,
and sometimes I don't even have to rerecord it because
it's that perfect. Wow. I believe in being absolutely perfect,
So you don't. You know a lot of times when
you're on a set or you're doing a move, you're
doing a commercial, that was perfect, but lets do one
more time, just to make sure you like, Once you

(44:43):
lay it and you like, you feel good about it,
you done. That's it. I don't need a safety, don't
need one. Guess who's back. So that was a record
I was trying to get a record from from. I
was trying to get a record from jay Z Okay
and Kanye was playing beats and jay Z was sitting

(45:05):
in the corner in a chair and Kanye was playing
beats and Jay was sitting there and he was talking
and then he heard those pianos and he was like shoot,

(45:32):
and he'd be like he'd be looking at you like, yeah,
they're about to give you the business right quick. So
that's all it takes for him to do a couple
of times and he go in the vocals, his vocals

(45:52):
like he never wrote nothing down. He didn't write it down,
so he just hear the beat and here, just here,
and he goes into the to the booth and he
lays it down. And then I'm sitting at the border.
He leaves me stuck at the board writing every time,
dass me up and he leaves the room. Right. I
come in, I'm writing. I'm thinking about what I'm gonna.

Speaker 4 (46:15):
Say, so I'm writing it and I said, uh.

Speaker 1 (46:25):
From the womb to the tomb with a hot pot
of jor in the spoon, trying to touch me forty
thousand and move Listen, from the womb to the tombe
with a hot pot a jawing the spoon, trying to
touch me forty thousand and move to the next dose.
Bun Yeah, to the tomb with a high pot of

(46:47):
jor in the spoon trying to make me forty thousand
and move. Motels starts studying rock stars and goons, playing clothes.
One run in my room, Woo, but I guess who's
biz that it said, boy face ball. I started with
an eight ball. Gotta get this cake dog, give niggas
a break, nowl you knew how the game go. You
think I slain thrower to go against the grain. No,

(47:09):
I'm out here, eat grind molde wrapped up in the
paper chase. I want to fine hole candy paint the
eighty eight. I ain't got no whole sale because that
ain't how I want to run it. He'll take these
five stones and bring a nigga back one hunting. I
gotta see my feet. Dude, you do shit a bean
through the fire, get you hot in the kitchen. I
hit them streets. Food. Money is an issue, and that's

(47:29):
on the for shistle of my thistle. Your block warm.
I come out with that pistol and make for show.
I get to work mind one card of time, because
if a motherfucker got a block bubbling right and you
want that, the only way that you can get that
block from this is go by there and shoot it up,
and then the cops will be sitting out there. Okay,
all right, I come out with that pistol and make

(47:52):
for show. I get to work mine one card a time.
We go to the war and you ain't making it down.
You don't want to go to war, nigga, Let me
go on down here, work my shit. You know we're
going to war. You ain't making it die because I
ain't got ship to lose. A nigga out here paying
this dues my baby walking. Gotta get in some shoes.
It's a new game, bruin. Let make you get the rules.

(48:12):
Get out of the line, and not make you get
the rules. Get out of the line, and I make
you get the loose. It's a new game, bruin. Let
me get get in the bruze, get out of the lines.
I'm gonna get get the blues who on my block.

(48:41):
So I was in the studio. All these are death
jam albums, by the way, those those are death jam songs,
and those songs were sold. That was That was probably
the easiest time I've ever had to record the album
because I didn't have to make the music to it. Okay,
But a couple of guys came by the studio Machine

(49:04):
well machine Merrick came to the studio and he was
playing beats and they had this this record that was
by ROBERTA. Flack and Donny Hathaway and it went like this.
It was like, be real black for me, Be real

(49:33):
black for me. Remember that. Yes, just something about doper
ass music. So while he and the vibe and I'm
thinking about like the best way, like why does this
music make me? How does this beat make me feel?
How does the piano rick make me feel? Like? I
want to say something about by my neighborhood. Man, like

(49:56):
they they been like the same old thing on my block, Like,
let's this is on what's happening on the block every day?
Been like the same old thing on my block. You
either work and let you juggle cocaine on my block.
You had to hustle. That's how we was raised on

(50:16):
my block. And you stayed on your hot until you
made you with not on my block, hang out with
the thing back then, and even if you left out,
you came back in to my block from Holloway Belt
of the scot read rolled the flocks. We no the spots,
just go weed the rocks. Just go weed the rocks.
We knew how, we knew how to get that ship

(50:38):
from man, we knew how to get it. Let's go
weed the rocks to drink or the blue dots of
your block. You probably bread a fat patitudepoc, a big
pun of beat eye your homework from me high. And
if they it was storming outside that nigga beat by,
that's me darm on my block, I ain't had to

(51:00):
ain't no big shot. Them niggas knew me back when
I was still in Shamrock. And my nickname is creepy.
And if Black June can see me, he be tripping,
and I bet he's still probably teased me. On my block.
Black Jim was the homie man Yay. He got killed
young by a by a police officer. He was in

(51:22):
the high speed chasing. They shot through the car and
shot him in the back of the neck, seventeen years old.
And he never got a chance to see that life
man because he died way back in the eighties. Man.
And if Black June can see me, he be tripping,
and I bet he's still probably tease me. Man. So
my block, but everything is everything for Cheezy on my block.

(51:45):
We've probably done it all, homie. Believe me, on my block,
we made it impossible look easy for Cheezy. I never
leave the block. The homies need me. Never leave the block.
I never believe the block. I never believe the block.
I never leave the block. The homies need me. Imagine
if you took the game, you took the instructions out
the game, it ain't gonna operator, you know, I remember

(52:09):
talking about the cars. It's like on my block, we
raised some poliss bone stock on my block. I ain't
have to play the big shot. On my block, raised
some polos, We raised some police story blood. On my block,

(52:37):
we he went on the time, playing in dominoes. Keep
the switching, sweezing down till my mama goes back in
the house. Hey, listen, do you remember when you used
to have to hide your dope from your well, you
don't know nothing fly, no dope, no, So you used
to have to hide that shit from your mama when
they come outside, right and You're like, on my block,
we q in all the time playing dominoes. Keep that

(53:00):
with your sweet down until my mama gold was back
inside and then we can find fine. Yeah, passing around
a few times and get high. Remember sit back man
in the neighborhood. I got footage of this on my Instagram.
Pantsed that's sitting in the back door of my homeboy house,

(53:20):
and we drink beer, we barbecue, we tell tales, you know,
smoke a few squalls pull it down from me. I remember,
I remember when we was kids, right and be like, man,
let's go smoke some dope, and that meant and it
was gonna go out and smoke a few squarees and ship.
Right now, when somebody say let's go smoke some dope,

(53:43):
you don't know what they talking about, Like, you know what, man,
go ahead, I don't get it. But you know, back then, faces, cigarettes,
anything smoking, you had to hide from your parents. It
wasn't just weed, you know, funny thing. I never had
to do that. Really, you could smoke around your mom. Boy,
you were lucky. I mean, I don't know how lucky

(54:04):
I was, but I grew up in nothing. But it
started with my grandmother. Okay, all right, So I lived
in the house with my grandmother and my uncles, and
all my uncles smoked and shit right right, And they
started smoking at a young age. When I had a
Siarett shit, I was smoking in the house. I couldn't
have been no more than nineteen. And I know people
don't think I'm full of shit, but I swear to
God I was nineteen eleven, twelve years old. I was smoking.

(54:27):
Matter of fact, I'm at school with a smoking pass.
Back in junior high school, you could smoke, singerre Rette said, school,
if you had a pass right, you had to get it.
You had to get clear by your pay, you had
to get clears from your parents. I'm telling my age
right now. I'm picked before. But yeah, I was smoking
for real. Wow yeah, wow, I'm not proud of it,
but shit, you did what you did. I did what

(54:47):
I did. Man this song because I really want to
know the backdrop. And never seen a man cry until
I seen a man die the backdrop of back So
the backdrop of that man is I got high? Man,
you've been writing some five is ish when you high? Yeah?

(55:13):
I was. I was stoned, and I promised that if
I ever came down off that high, I would never
get high again like that. But I was drinking beer
and taking painkillers okay, and I had smoked the joint.
I don't want nobody to try that shit at home,
because just what what kind of combo were you on?

(55:33):
Drinking beer, smoking, taking pain bills? So I had broke
my arm my money. Either that or I got shot
some something. It happened, damn face, Yeah, and I needed
I did. I didn't want to hurt no moment. H
Nate Dog had the coldest song on that one. I
don't want to hurt no more. Don't want to hurt no. Yeah,

(55:56):
I didn't want to hurt no more. Right, So I
took a pain killer. I was drinking Miller lights anyway,
and I smoked the square and that ship didn't end well,
did did it? Did the words? I mean, how long
did it take you to come up to lay those

(56:17):
verses for that? Did it just start? The pin just
started writing it like an auto pin. So I was
in the studio and I made a beat and I
started with a baseline and the base line went like.

Speaker 3 (56:34):
H m hm hm hm.

Speaker 1 (56:40):
Hm h Right. I did them on the keyboard and
then I played the right. So that's what I wrote
the words too, Okay, the band the bad So that's

(57:18):
the original way that I set it up. And then
Mike Dean comes in with the I'm here he had
the Mike Dean also played this guitar part. They went

(57:43):
kind of like this, So I had to take this home, right, yeah,

(58:08):
and I'm high as hell and the first thing I
came up with was utu his father with his hands out.
You cantbilitated slightly, glad to be the man's child. The
world is different since he's seen it last and seven
years he's out of jail and he's happy that he's
pre and last all he had was his mother's letters.
Now he's mobile and he's got to make a change

(58:30):
and make it fall the better. But he's black, so
it's got one strike against him and these young plus
he came up in the system, but he's spawned and
he's finally making eighteen. Right, I'm coming up with these words, man,
The words are flowing right. But the more I wrote,
the more dead I felt. Yeah, I was, I was done.

(58:54):
I had that kind of high that I had, that
blackout high. Yeah, you know that's the That was the
writing process on this song. Man. I was. I didn't
want to I didn't. I didn't want to be high
no more, you know what I mean. I remember I
remember that uh that verse where I said, I hear

(59:16):
you breathing, but your heart no longer sounds strong, but
you're kind of scared of dying, so you hold on
and you keep on blacking out. And your post is slow.
Stop trying to fight the reapers. Just relax and let
it go. That's how high it was. Wow, that was
high I was writing that record. Yeah, I was. I

(59:37):
really went in there and got some ship. Uh, because
there's no way you can fight it, though you still
try it, and you can try it till you can
fight it, but you still dye. Your spirit leaves your body,
and your mind clears, your bought to started to set
and there ey it like that's real. That's that's how
I felt.

Speaker 3 (59:56):
Man.

Speaker 1 (59:56):
Wow. But when I got to the studio land, I
wouldn't hide no more else come with that letter and
it was like I was like, he greets his all
with his hands out. Rehabilitated slightly, but glad to beat
the man's child. The world is different since he's seen it,
last out of jail in seven years, and he's happy
that he's free and last all he had was his

(01:00:19):
mother's letters. Now he's wok. It's got to make a
change and make it for the fetter, but he's black,
so it's got one strike against it, and he's joke.
Plus he came up with this, but you never know
how those words are going to come out upon delivery
because I stand firm on letting the beat guide. Okay,

(01:00:41):
I use my voice as an instrument, Like, don't you'll
never hear a song from me where the beat is
doing one thing and my voice is doing another. Like
it's not going to be a mono tone, right. Like
you know how some rappers get on the microphone and
they rap the same way, yeah, every time because they're
not letting that beat lead. You know, they rap and
off of their own instinct and not letting that beat. Guy.

(01:01:03):
You gotta let that beat guide, and in order to
let that beat guy, it's a vibe, right, It's a
vibe man. So you know some some records, you hear
me rapping this way, and the next you're here like,
who is that nigga? Right? Like, I remember one time

(01:01:24):
we were doing that, sitting at the stoplight, looking at
howse peeping out this bitching her black jabows, windows rolled
up tight, chopper was flosed, blowing, switching sweet smoke out
my nose. E forty called me, he like, man, you
let Warren, You let Warren get on the track. I'm like, nah, nigga,
that's me. Yeah, So I'm changing my voice. I'm changing.

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I'm changing the dynamic, the pitch, I'm changing the flow.
The cumblines are different, you know, the patterns, the rap
patterns are different. Sunday morning, I'm off in church, sending
the out the week, hustling every day. I'm getting it
as you speak. I listened to preacher preach, mama singing
the song, ain'ty clapping the hands, no quiet singing the songs,

(01:02:09):
an'ty clapping the hands, my mama singing along. I'm uncomfortable.
I want want to leave. Can let my mama see
I ain't listening to the message. But it's it's it's
it's different deliveries on different songs, different songs called for,
different deliveries, different beats. Man, is there never been a
situation where you you you were you, You write it
while you're high, and then when you come down off that,

(01:02:31):
you're like, okay, I hope I can get right back
into that head stayed out. Oh, once you're getting this
in there, Once you find out, once you get back
to what you were writing in the pattern that you
was writing it in you in there. But I ain't
wrote nothing high in a long time. Of course, I
ain't been writing, but I ain't doing nothing. I ain't
damn sharing. You trying to act like I'm listening. Don't

(01:02:51):
feed like I gotta be high. Now I'm messing with you.
And now it's just you know, I don't smoke weed
all the time. Okay, you know, but when I do,
I'm not just gonna be burning our brain cells, right,
So it's gotta be something being creative, do you That's

(01:03:12):
what I'm about to ask. When you smoke, are you
smoking to getting a frame of mind that you can right? No? Oh,
you just smoke? You just smoking and smokings. No, I'm
not smoking. I'm smoking. I'm smoking the I'm smoking a
spark ideas, right, But I'm just not riding around smoking

(01:03:34):
all day long just to be smoking. So if you
see me smoking some weed, I'm in a vibe, right
and I haven't smoked weed in a long time. If
that what it would take you to get back in
I mean, what would smoke some weed? No, what would
it take you to get back to the pen? That
we know? Face to have? They gotta pain? Like the

(01:03:54):
ship is free now I'm not that it's not paying man, Okay,
you know what I mean? Like this is where the
money is like shortened now out on a tour. We're
calling it the function. You know, this is where the
money is. Even though Todders were still recording, e forty
still recording, everybody's still recording. I just don't see the value,
and I'm spoiled. I was spoiled. I remember when you

(01:04:16):
could sell a regular. You can sell regular five six
May nine ten dollars correct now zero cent. It's zero.
It's half a cent on a cent for a stream.
So I don't see the value and wasted by time.
I can't get my time back right. You know, I
got a catalog that will carry me, and you know, yeah,
you're good. You feel me like I got it. I
got a pretty decent catalog, and I'm always thinking of

(01:04:38):
some some other funky ways to revamp me, you know
what I mean? Yeah, like this is this just didn't
come overnight. Like I've been doing my band shit for
twenty years. A matter of fact, Aunt sent me something
other yesterday, send us something. Well, how long is that
twenty five years ago? It was almost twenty years ago,

(01:05:00):
okay of us, you know, working with our band shit
all right? And I went on the road with a
band and I wasn't even getting paid, but I knew
that eventually the game would catch up to what I
was thinking. Yeah, where I'm at in my mindset because
we can stand on stage and and and grab him
grab our shit and walking and live saying tower shit,

(01:05:23):
or we can bring it back to the essence so
where it came from. You know, like I we we
built this music, man, right, we built this music. Tupac's
last song he recorded with you nineteen ninety four, Smile.

(01:05:45):
I can't say that. Hold on, yeah, do you remember
that before you passed? It might have not been ninety four?
What yearold? That did Smile come out? It came out,
It came out in ninety It came out in ninety seven.
But re recorded it when you got that September. Hey, man,
you know what, I could very well be the last
song that he recorded. Absolutely, that could very well be

(01:06:07):
the last song, because I remember leaving La going to
Chicago and getting hearing that he was shot, but me
knowing Pac, like I know Pac. You know he gonna
get up and he's gonna be talking shit again. Right
all right, you can very well be right, man, because
we recorded that in September or June, and he got

(01:06:32):
shot in that September he got Okay, we recorded that
song in June or July of ninety six. He got
shot and killed in ninety six September. Okay, so that
can very well be that last record. But I like me,
knowing Park and how he worked, I doubt it possible though,

(01:06:54):
because he probably laid down fifteen twenty songs a day.
Because what that was a if I'm not mistaken, I
think it was the the Tyson holy Field fight. It
might have been Bruno, check checked the fact. I see
I went to the Frank Bruno fight. That was in
like April of ninety six. Okay, who'd he fight right
after that? I think it was holy Field. I can't

(01:07:16):
say that. We'll look it up. We gotta look that up. Yeah.
I think he was fighting both or somebody. It wasn't
the holy Field though, because he remember holy Field back
to back ninety six he fought lost, and then he
turned around and fought him again in ninety seven when
he bit his ear. Yeah, but no, Park was still
around though, No, I don't think so. I mean, see,

(01:07:42):
we can look it up. See Whinney Pak get killed.
I think it was September of ninety six. Okay, So
when did Tyson fight holy Field? Thirteen nineteen ninety six,
seven thirteen, So you say Tyson holy Field? Yeah, he twice.
He fought him in ninety six to ninety seven. He

(01:08:04):
fought him in December, right, he fought him on my birthday,
November ninth. So yeah, no, brother nine nineteen ninety six.
The second fight was George twenty eight, nineteen ninety seven.
When Whenney Tupacet killed September? Yeah, September thirteenth, nineteen ninety six,
So it was I think it was a Bruno who did?

(01:08:26):
Who did? Who was holy Field? That was there was
a fight going on out there. It was Mike Tyson
and Bruno because I was at the Bruno fight in April. Yeah.
Bruce Seldon, Bruce Sheldon, okay, one of the bigger yeah Buskin. Yeah.
But man Poker was a hell of a dude. Man

(01:08:46):
he was. He was before his time, way before his time.
More money means more liter Gayton, more player, Hayden, gotta
sell at the pen for me waiting. Wow, so we
smile when you writing that. What's going on? What are

(01:09:08):
you thinking?

Speaker 4 (01:09:12):
So Parc?

Speaker 1 (01:09:15):
We recorded that like way before he passed like a
couple of record that in June or July, June July
ninety six, right, and he ends up passing in September
of nineties. Right. So we wrote the song you know
before he passed, and like Park would always have this

(01:09:36):
thing with me where he would be so pissed off
that I would be sitting at the board still writing
and everybody threw what they shit, you know, and he
would always say, hey, man, you gotta, you gotta, you
gotta find a way to get across to the bitches
without offending them, right, and the nigga's gon on what
the bitches want and then whatever the last word is

(01:10:00):
or your verse, that's the name of the song. And
I was like okay, But nonetheless I still sat down
in front of that board and I came up with
those words, man, but it was done to a whole
totally different beat. Shout out to Tone Capone and UH

(01:10:23):
and Mike Dean because I think that the job that
we did on this song, on this version of that
particular song was awesome. Man. Tone always wanted those wasn't pencocados?
What do they call poscados? He always loved the blank
blank blank blank blank, Johnny p was still alive, the

(01:10:48):
one that was saying, do you want to ride in
back sea? My caddy head and Chopper help wood Wood. Yeah,
Tone had a vibe in his head. Uh, I mean, dude,
you still care about me? Right? So he just broke

(01:11:08):
that came into my for me. Let's talk apone, why
don't you just my for me? And then Johnny Pe
was in the studio and he sung that ship and Uh,

(01:11:29):
some kind of way we got a chance to use
that record on my album. But I remember sitting in
the studio writing it and recording it. Man, that's when
Park told the engineer, man, you ain't got too many
more my bands. He's finna. That's when the I think
Park may have been the first one, the first artist
to beat up an engineer. I could be wrong, but

(01:11:51):
I know he used to beat his engineers. Though I
wrote it down like new. As I opened up my story,
put the blazes in your blunt. That's that's so you
can reflect. Okay, you know what I'm saying. So you're
trying to reflect on what I'm saying. Man, you sit
back and damn yew. As I opened up my story,

(01:12:12):
put the blazes in your blunt so you get picture
thoughts slowly upon phrases I run and I can walk
you through the days of the done. I often wished
I could save everyone, but I'm a dreamer. Have you
ever seen a guy who was strong in the game
overlooking as tomorrows and they finally came? I look back
on childhood member reason. I'm still feeling the pain turning

(01:12:32):
circles in my ninth grade to them the cocaine, Too
many hassles in my local life, sipid, the strained, and
a man without a focused life to drive me sane.
I'm stuck inside the ghetto fantasy, hoping to change. But
when I'm focused on reality, I'm broken and changed. I
had a dream of living wealthy and making it big,
but over football and chose to cook wrong, take it

(01:12:53):
and big. And after all, my mama's taking in God
for blessing a child, because all my mama got to
do now was collected and smile. Won't you just my Oh?

(01:13:22):
I mean that's called bloody. Whose kids writing music like this? Man?
I would love for us to be able to get
our music back, you know what I'm saying. I would
love for us to be able to make our music

(01:13:43):
like we made our music. You know, even though from
AIDS to R Kelly, from R Kelly to Chris Brown,
we didn't lose too much into that, We didn't lose
a lot. You know that. That means he's still great. Man.
That's kind of like from rock him to came to

(01:14:11):
Public Enemy, to Cube and n w A to Ghetto
Boys too, you know, a snoop too. And then you
start uh tribe call quests. You gotta think about all
of the great music Llo Cool Jay, Run DMC, those
massive pieces of of of hip hop, you know, Carris One, Yeah,

(01:14:36):
you know the masterpieces, the jay Z's, the Nazis. I
said nas already, Yeah yeah, okay, well I should have
said it twice. So I mean those masterpiece classics that
will always be remembered forever, you know what I mean? Yes,
like l O Cool J, Bro, he don't get the

(01:14:57):
credit that he deserves. No, he sick handed. He put
this ship on the map, Bro, he did, And then
you have to look at he got women to listen
to start listening to the rap because he was linking
to them. Hey man, the man, the man broke some
ship down. Man on the record man, that was mind
blowing to me. Who can take the game of rap

(01:15:19):
and rule it alone? Uh, just playing many styles on
the microphone, like the man was cold man show and
he single handedly gave us a player a platform to
stand today. Yes, with that Rock to bell ship for sure, man.

(01:15:42):
I went out and I did a concert for Rock
the Bells on a couple of occasions, and this last
one I went to in in New Jersey. I walked
out on the stage and were like, ship, all these
people hip hop lives man for sure, and and and
thanks to that guy that it's you know, it's recovering,

(01:16:04):
you know what I mean, Like he had some great
ship on that he had uh uh rock him Kane
Plies Boosie me uh rock saying Chantey was on that ship.
That's my twin. Yeah. But I love what he's doing
with it, man. I think that everybody should take time
out and pause and and thank LLL Cool Jay for

(01:16:27):
what he did and what he's doing for this culture. Man, Like,
for real, thanks for performance, bro, man, we ain't even
started performing. Uh, let's play, let's let let's lets let's
leave him, Let's go out with a bang fired up.
I don't even care what it is where we're going
out with. I don't care mind playing tricks on. You

(01:16:49):
got Friday night light? Damn it feel good to be
a gangster. What you want to go out with? No,
let's do something else. But what you got do? Do?

Speaker 5 (01:17:00):
Do you.

Speaker 1 (01:17:21):
That that that do ban can't be like, can't be loved,

(01:17:57):
be more, can't be up? She gotta be more. So
I'm leaving to go to baseline from death jam. And
I think that my brother called me. I think Warren
Lee called me and told me that one of the

(01:18:19):
homies babies that had died. Man, I was devastated because
I got a two year old. I had a two
year old back then. But that baby got a hold
of something that he wasn't supposed to get ahold of that,
and that shit kind of blew me the fuck away.

(01:18:42):
That's why the verse came out so cold, because it
was so true. A walk us to the studio, to
to the studio to do this with Jig. I got
a phone call from one of my negs. They say,
my homeboy reed, he just lost one of his kids.
When I heard that, Jeez and he in his second hand.

(01:19:03):
You don't really know how it is when they hitting
that close to home, you feel the pain at the crib.
So come, so I called mine, said my wife with
the bad news, got my blessing, clung my blessings because
brass too. That's that's one of the ones. Man, you
good shit, Brad two years old and that happened. Man,

(01:19:25):
loving your kids like it was ours. And I'm hurting
for you, dog. But ain't nobody paying like yours. But
I just know what help us. Heavens open his doors.
And if you went on the blank win on the
fright side, you get deep with like this, guls got
open arms. HOI he in the mist who loves all,
who loves all, and hate not one. He was like
love nothing is he in the miss And he in

(01:19:47):
the mist of good company, who loves all and hate
not one. If one day you're gonna be with your son.
I could have talked about my hard times and his songs,
But Heaven knows, I wouldn't have been wrong, wouldn't have
been right, wouldn't have been nuts, it wouldn't have been life,
It wouldn't have been loved, It wouldn't have been right

(01:20:09):
to can't be life. A lot of niggas be bragging

(01:20:37):
about their bands and ship but I know for a fact,
ain't nobody with them. You're still up. I can stand.
I can stand on the stage and stop stop stop
stop stop do that boom boom boom boom boom boom boom.

(01:21:07):
Tell you I know I gotta All I gotta do
is just dream it. I just gotta dream it live
live on on uh Club Shad Shade. We're gonna get

(01:21:31):
down into a deeper interview in a few minutes. But
I just wanted my partners shop to see that musical side.
Don't give him the business hold loud, a lot of
lout of oh yeah, like it's like uh once I

(01:22:07):
other man, stinting arm and my money.

Speaker 2 (01:22:12):
Honey, I happened making a prebody in time.

Speaker 1 (01:22:20):
If it that s shot soon as my money the
time three didn't have look it by.

Speaker 3 (01:22:39):
A dollar, I'm go.

Speaker 2 (01:22:46):
Go body watch.

Speaker 3 (01:22:49):
Yebody down and out.

Speaker 1 (01:23:14):
So I hear a lot of people talking about their
bands and ship. Man, but after being together, so we
kind of know what we're thinking. So y'all want to
wave w yeah we we we we We're right there.
I can turn that ship up like this here getting
up loud like that I can bring it back down.

Speaker 2 (01:23:33):
Yeah, scar face ladies and gentlemen, all my life, grinding.

Speaker 1 (01:24:14):
All my life.

Speaker 5 (01:24:15):
Sacrifacts must pay the price. One slice got to brow
the dice. That's why all my life, I've been grinding
all my life, all my life, running.

Speaker 1 (01:24:25):
All my life.

Speaker 5 (01:24:26):
Sacrifacts must pay the price. One slice got to brow
the dice. That's why all my life, I've been grinding,
all my life,