Club Shay Shay - Scarface Part 1 - Club Shay Shay

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I think Pac may have been the first artist to
beat up in Engineer. I could be wrong, but I
remember sitting in the studio writing it and recording it. Man,
that's what Pac tolder Engineer. Man, you ain't got too
many more of my band.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
All my life, grinding all my life, sacrifice, hustle Bag Prison,
One Slice got the brother of Geist Swap all my life.
I'd be grinding all my life, all my life, grinding
all my life, sacrifice, hustle Bag, Pryson, One Slice got
the bron of Geist Swap all my life. I've been
grinding all my life.

Speaker 1 (00:36):
Welcome to another episode of Club Shade Shape. I am
your host. Shannon Sharp, also the propriud of Club Shape Shape,
stopping by for conversation on the drink today. Is a
living legend. He's an icon, a pioneer from the South.
He's been in the music industry of over thirty five years.
One of the most influential rappers in history, one of
the top lyricists of all time, a member of one

(00:56):
of the most successful rap roots ever, the Ghetto Boys.
Beloved Houstonian platinum selling hip hop artists. It's celebrated record producer,
gifted storyteller, respected label executive. He was president of Death
Jam South, breaking in artists like ludicrous. He's on everybody's
top five rapper list, your favorite rappers, favorite rapper.

Speaker 3 (01:15):
Some refer to him as the King of the South.

Speaker 1 (01:17):
Harriet Is Ladies and gentlemen, good friend of mine, terrible golfer,
scar face faith, what.

Speaker 3 (01:22):
Do you do? You don't gonna get that in? You
don't gonna get that in?

Speaker 1 (01:29):
Yeah, I feel bad getting ready to go on stage,
and I got on my concert kit, like this is
this is what I call a concert kit. Like normally
everybody be having they suit some when they got on
your show man, they be looking on fly right. But
this is how I be looking when I go on stage.
So if you see me on stage, and you probably
see me in there, he'd be like, damn you go
on stage with them new balance. I'm good man, don't
do it. I'm good at this. We ain't had no

(01:52):
toys growing up either, said. All we did was talked
about each other. But yeah, this goes down every time
we get on the foe y'all. We gotta we got
we got a jones. We got to man, how you mean, bro?
But I've been great man, thank you for taking time.
I know your business. You got a concert in a
few hours and taking time out of your day, went
through soundcheck. Can't wait the people see the couple of
songs that you performed for us and tell us what

(02:14):
was going through your mind at the time of performer.
But this is my Kangnac. This is shaved by Laportier.
It's a premium bsop. You understand it, you know by kanyac?

Speaker 3 (02:22):
Yeah, man, you don't.

Speaker 1 (02:23):
Bsop stands for right, no very special old pale. That
means you know what I heard, and you tell me
if it's any truth to this. So the Hennessy guy
and Heines where they locked up in prison together?

Speaker 3 (02:35):
I don't know know about that.

Speaker 1 (02:37):
So I want to if I want people to look
into this. So Hennessy, the maker of Hennessy on somebody
hines they were locked up hies ketch up No Hines
Hi n e s. That's like a Kangnac. Okay, It's
like it's like the upper extra loons of Kangnac.

Speaker 3 (02:50):
Man.

Speaker 1 (02:50):
So I heard this story, man, I want to get
some validity to it and just just see. But yeah,
Kangnac makers, man, it's just that kind of kanyac. This
is a premium bsop. We've won thirteen awards since its inception.
In twenty twenty one, we won the Simple Award. The
Simple Ward is a blind taste test. It's the only
one that the fans get to decide. Everything else is
a judges that's been sipping kanyak in a spirs business.

(03:14):
But what they do in a Simple ward is that
they put all the kanyaks on the table and then
people come by and taste them and they say, well,
I like cup eight. Okay, So I always thought that
V s old piment for very serious old people.

Speaker 3 (03:27):
No very special old pel.

Speaker 1 (03:29):
And then you got XO, which is extra old, and
then you got xx, which is extra extra old. So
now yes, uh well you learn something new every day
and this is a great. People don't realize this, but
this comes from a great. I was of the only
Blanc great and a partite Champagne. No, this man went
straight to it. I know what to do, is kanyak?

(03:49):
Why are you talking to me like this?

Speaker 3 (03:50):
Sam? I know what to do? God damn, that ain't
that's what the say? How sterling doing good? He good? Yeah?
This ain't no great here a junr Wi blocked grape
and a petite champagne.

Speaker 1 (04:10):
And in order for it to beat a Kanyac, Hey man,
it has to start originate in Kanyac for two years.
The first two years has to start there. Hey man,
it's mean right here. For sure, we got you covered.
We got your cover. Oh no, oh it ain't got
no bite none. Oh you gotta be you gotta be careful. Yeah,

(04:34):
let me move this back over there. Boy, you.

Speaker 3 (04:39):
For real, I'm not gonna drink no more of that.
Ain't nobody got no water we get man, why are
you trying to get me drunk on my show?

Speaker 4 (04:45):
No?

Speaker 3 (04:45):
No, no, no no, But I just wanted you to
taste it. But it's amazing. It is crazy. Yeah, but
we got your covered. We're gonna we got you cover.

Speaker 1 (04:53):
Yeah, Man, send me send me up. Tell me why
I can buy something? Man, Yeah, I'm gonna send you something,
but I'm gonna tell you.

Speaker 3 (04:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (05:01):
It's like that for real though, for real, man, face,
it is an honor to have you on the show.
It's always great to have people that you're mind from
a distance, you know, getting to know you over the
last couple of years, you and my brother play a
lot of golf together. I sent word. I told him
what you told me to tell him. I was on
the phone with you, and I told you you told

(05:22):
me to tell him you can get it. No, No,
I didn't know why he's saying that, man, don't do
that down. Don't say that man. Well, I told him
you shouldn't have and he said, he said word back
to be. He sipped up and said he it's in
a picture back Indeed, he said, show face this.

Speaker 3 (05:37):
Yeah, no, Sterley, I'm gonna leave you alone. Man. If
you go out there messing with that man, y'all better
leave that man alone.

Speaker 1 (05:43):
They play, they play golf together every every celebrity golf
tournament they can tend. Yeah, face is gonna be out there.
My brother's be out there with him.

Speaker 3 (05:52):
And the man is a scratch golfer man. Unbelievable. He
play all the time. He play from the back through.

Speaker 1 (05:58):
Yeah, he played from the I play all the time too.
But I ain't finna go back there. I mean, I
ain't got nothing to prove man like. That's from that,
that's that's from people. That's that's that's trying to show
up that they're still strong.

Speaker 3 (06:09):
Man. Yeah, yes, that's the that's the only way to
be strong. Man.

Speaker 1 (06:14):
Let's get into a face talk to me from Houston, Texas.
What was it like growing up in Houston, Texas for
a young scar face?

Speaker 3 (06:24):
So?

Speaker 1 (06:27):
Uh, growing up in Houston as a young Brad? Yeah,
that's a real that's a government named Brad. You we
say Brad as a young Brad Jordan. My mother had
me so young. I'm an old man baby, for real.
I spent a lot of time at my grandmother's house.

Speaker 3 (06:44):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (06:46):
My grandmother had nine children, and I always tell I
always tell people that I feel like I'm my grandmother's
temp child, right because she also you spend so much
time over so much time with her. My mom what,
I always want to go to my grandma house. You know,

(07:06):
I go over my My mom and my aunt lived
together for a long time, and I didn't want to
be over there because it was boring, right, But going
over there at my at my grandma house, man, my
uncle was.

Speaker 3 (07:18):
Smoked and jammed.

Speaker 1 (07:19):
And you know they had the bands going, and my
grandfather was crazy as hell. My grandmother was sweet as pie.
You know, just all you know, the neighborhood raised me. Man,
You know what I mean. I'm like one of those
kids in the neighborhood raised for real.

Speaker 3 (07:35):
But that wasn't what it was like.

Speaker 1 (07:36):
It was a sense of community and could correct you
if you were wrong. They would say, Brad, I'm gonna
tell your mom.

Speaker 3 (07:43):
I'm gonna I.

Speaker 1 (07:44):
Don't give up real like people can vouce for me.
Like I was a nut growing up, I would cuss.

Speaker 3 (07:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:52):
My uncle would call me when I was so, I
was in the kindergarten to Mauga Rodney was in the
sixth grade. So that's the only time we ever went
to school together. And he would call.

Speaker 3 (08:00):
Me from out of the house to come and curse.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
His friends at point. And you and you like doing
Oh that was it was second nature that you the
better grown folks. So much of hurry themicut. I don't know, man,
I think this is genetics. You know how people play football.
You're good at magicians. Yeah, yeah, I was my my
my grandfather as a as a professional. Oh my goodness.

(08:25):
Oh yeah, what you find his memories of growing up
as a child. I think that sitting in the room, I.

Speaker 3 (08:42):
Really live this ship, man. There were some tough times,
some great sitting in jamming with my uncle's in the
room smoking cigarettes and ship, how are you smoking? Sick?
You're rid four or five in their room when they

(09:04):
put the cigarette in the ass train you grad? I
grab those are those? Are those memories? Man?

Speaker 1 (09:14):
That and make you think about the entire situation. You know,
You're in the room with your uncle Eric and Eddie right,
my grandmother beating on the dolltail as it turned it down,
my grandfather in the room cussing up the storm. You know,
we just m just making music. Bro, I remember that shit.
But it's so emotional going back to growing up. I

(09:39):
don't know if it touch other people like that, but
it with me because I feel like I didn't get
a chance to be a kid.

Speaker 3 (09:45):
Mm.

Speaker 1 (09:46):
I feel like I was always grown like you know,
I didn't realize that I was homeless until like now, really. Yeah,
when I left my grandmother's house, how old were you.

Speaker 3 (10:04):
Left my mom? My grandmother? I was probably twelve thirteen,
went to go live with Warren and his mom and
Nail and my sister telling you we all.

Speaker 1 (10:25):
But she was always gone. So it was kind of
like we raised ourselves, you know what I mean. I
got like fifteen, sixteen years old, my mother ran in
an apartment.

Speaker 3 (10:36):
In her name for me to go live in, like
you was living in an apartment by yourself. Y, let's
just call my mom. Dog. Let's just do that, cause
I don't want nobody to think I'm full of shit. Pause. Hey,

(10:59):
I didn't know you. Oh the year I've been thought
that I didn't. Hey did you tell that? Joy?

Speaker 1 (11:05):
Hey Warren Lee, I need a plug for my phone.

Speaker 3 (11:10):
Hey, mama.

Speaker 1 (11:11):
Yeah, So I'm I'm here on a club Shay say
with Shannon Sharp.

Speaker 5 (11:18):
Uh huh.

Speaker 3 (11:19):
How old was I when you rented that apartment for me? Well?

Speaker 5 (11:23):
I think you was either fifteen or sixteen.

Speaker 3 (11:27):
Hmm, that's that's my mama.

Speaker 5 (11:31):
Yeah, and you stayed by yourself and did very well.

Speaker 3 (11:34):
And have I been back home yet?

Speaker 5 (11:36):
No, but I wish he would come just check on your.

Speaker 3 (11:40):
Yeah that I'm fifty four years old. Brouh.

Speaker 1 (11:43):
I ain't going back home, Mama, love you to death.
I just wanted to clear that up.

Speaker 3 (11:48):
Man.

Speaker 1 (11:48):
And I know for a fact that I was smoking cigarettes.
Did you know, Mom? Did you know he was listen?
Listen to my mama. This is my mama.

Speaker 4 (11:55):
You were doing everything you wanted to do. All I
can tell you did you was you had luck on
your hand.

Speaker 5 (12:02):
You charmed.

Speaker 4 (12:04):
You were charmed young man, cause people loved you and
they didn't even know why they loved you.

Speaker 5 (12:10):
That was that charmed.

Speaker 3 (12:14):
Yeah, he he kind of had that. He kind of
had that impact on people. I don't know why.

Speaker 5 (12:19):
And him friends, oh everybody, everybody loves him. Everybody.

Speaker 3 (12:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (12:26):
I even had people to walk up to me and says,
you have such a fine uh respectful young man.

Speaker 5 (12:33):
Really too funny.

Speaker 4 (12:40):
Even when he go buy houses and things, people would
just say, oh, that's here.

Speaker 5 (12:44):
So he's just so mannered. But he just got the
best manners. So lord, what have you told this these people?

Speaker 3 (12:50):
You know? I tell him anything. Ma'm I love you
to death. I'll call you later. Okay, thanks mysel. All right,
I told you I can't make this shit up. Did
you play sports? I did? I was a running back?

Speaker 1 (13:02):
Okay you are sa Quan you, Dad, Henry you, Josh Jacobs, you?
I mean who I was?

Speaker 3 (13:09):
Sweetness? You was walk Clayton.

Speaker 1 (13:12):
I was sweetness and Earl Campbell mixed in one. Because
if you were standing there, oh you're gonna run you
a run up and put that much help me and
your wind piping, Keep Going, Keep Going. I played with
Allen Alan Aldrews was a former teammate of mind. We
won the championship together. He came, I was in there
and I got there at niney. He came in ninety four.
Rest in peace. He passed away a year or two ago.

(13:34):
So I went to school with al Yeah, that kid,
you run your autobiography. My daddy was dad. My mama
didn't want me. I didn't really get along with my stepdad.
And my grandmother already had nine kids of her own,
that's the truth. So there really wasn't a place for
me at her house either. We got very similar stories
because my grandmother had nine kids of her own. She
raised her nine and took my mom's three.

Speaker 3 (13:55):
Damn cold.

Speaker 1 (13:57):
Your grandmother had nine kids, and then you have brothers
and sisters.

Speaker 3 (14:01):
Yeah, but my grandmother didn't have to raise my brother.
He raised me.

Speaker 1 (14:05):
She raised my sister, right, But she took on everybody
else's children in the neighborhood, you know what I mean. Yeah,
like everybody else that was their mama too, right, you know. So, yeah,
my grandmother was a cold piece of work man. She
was a She never learned to drive. You know my
grandmother didn't learn to drive either.

Speaker 3 (14:24):
That's crazy. Quick to go, get on the passage, go,
get in the passage side until un till you you're
out of five it slow down. You ain't got no money,
got what the hell?

Speaker 1 (14:34):
And then my mother would always tell her mother, how
many stirring wheels on this car?

Speaker 3 (14:43):
Yeah? My mama was cold blooded.

Speaker 1 (14:44):
So so I'm looking at so we're twenty one years
apart in all of those stages. So I'm twenty one
years younger than my mother. My mother's twenty one years
younger than my grandmother.

Speaker 3 (14:54):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (14:55):
Yeah, so I can see my life twenty one years
from now. Wow, And and twenty one years from that, right,
you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (15:02):
Right?

Speaker 1 (15:03):
And and that that ship always makes me thinking about
the end, shaying, and that shit makes me think about
the end. I can't focus, Oh living, Are you afraid
of dying? I'm not, But I'm just saying I ain't
got no time.

Speaker 3 (15:23):
I'm run out of time. I'm run out of time
like that cot Man's chicken man. And I don't want
to waste my time. The thing that waste my time,
that's my biggest fear, because I can't get it back.

Speaker 1 (15:41):
No, time is the most valuable currency because once is
gone is gone. It can never be white back.

Speaker 3 (15:47):
Get your money back, get your house back, at your
all that shit back, get your friends back. Can't get
time back. I seen they get his money back, yes,
but I ain't never seen nobody get his time back. Man.
And all I can think of shit, I'm fifty four
ship fifty four, I got a bad ticker sun kidney,

(16:13):
And I'm like, wow.

Speaker 1 (16:17):
What face you think about the fifty four the fifty
four great years? Yes, you had open heart, I saw
the scar. Yes you have your son's kidney. I saw
the scar. But fifty four years?

Speaker 3 (16:29):
Think about palls? Go ahead there you come. No, because
I don't want to think of be like, yeah, they
was in there in the room with puffing them like
maybe I wouldn't, but think about think about the fifty
four great years. Yeah, but I ain't trying to cut
them off. Nosh, Come on, you afraid. I'm not scared.

(16:50):
I know that that's the inevitable. Man. I don't want
to run out of time right now. No, you not?

Speaker 1 (16:56):
Why you thinking about that? You're thinking about dying and
you ain't thinking about living. And that's my problem. I
can't get past it. I played with that shit so
much growing up until I'm like.

Speaker 3 (17:10):
Shit, I cheated it. But when I was uh uh
a year when I was five, when I was seven,
when I.

Speaker 1 (17:18):
Was nine, when I was what year was that we
went that We went in that store. Man, them and
people came in there and robbed that got damn stoes.

Speaker 3 (17:25):
That's aroub.

Speaker 1 (17:25):
Sixteen seventeen fifteen, probably fifteen sixteen seventeen, was just leaving
the Fresh Fast concert, man, and I seen, I seen it.
Wa who it wasn't some hit hispanic catch? Yeah, they
came in there. Man, I seen. I say, bruh, I say, dude,
got a dude, got a big ass gun on him.

Speaker 3 (17:43):
Let's go, let's go that. Then what I said, let's go,
got out of there. Man. Next morning, that shit on
the news. They shot it.

Speaker 1 (17:50):
Up, killed it man. M duck and depth wow duck
and death. So man, you know, from being shit, you know,
being in places I shouldn't have been, uh, being in

(18:11):
places I was in shit just happened. And I'm looking
at how death is just saying okay, you come here,
you come on. I'm sitting there like damn, damn Okay,
now you it's touching people around you, but I mean
super close. When I was when I was in surgery

(18:36):
and they wr.

Speaker 3 (18:38):
Uh. My brother, my manager was in there.

Speaker 1 (18:42):
While he was in and they was like he was
like he realized he was taking a long and it
was supposed to take And then when the doctor finally
came out, when the surgeon finally came out, which is
a friend of mine, he came out and he told him, Man,
I know that y'all probably hear this all the time,
but I don't know how he still were here.

Speaker 3 (19:01):
Damn. You know, I don't know. Bro.

Speaker 1 (19:10):
It's a blessing, but I don't want God to be
mad at me and just keep me hearing everybody be dead,
like all y'all.

Speaker 3 (19:17):
Be dead, and I'll be honest by.

Speaker 1 (19:18):
Myself or I just go fast, like I Have you
been able to appreciate the methage?

Speaker 3 (19:29):
No, I have not. I have not.

Speaker 1 (19:34):
I have not been able to And that sounds ungrateful
as fuck. I just grew up too fast, bro, And
I feel like everything that I was working for I
was working to get to, you know what I mean.
I feel like I accomplish everything that I set out

(19:55):
to accomplish at a young age. My grandmother would always
saying when she would talk to her friends at the
church or on the phone or whatever, that you can
never underestimate what a what a what a what a
child is saying. Because I remember telling my grandmother and
my grandfather that I was gonna be a big rock
and roll star, and I was gonna buy uh, my

(20:19):
grandfather a big ass boat so we can go fishing,
and I was gonna get my grandma on a new house.
I said this out of my mouth. Alright, this is
what I said out of my mouth. And my grandmother,
after all of this stuff started happening, she was saying,
you can never underestimate what it what comes out of
a child's mouth, man, because that's what happened, and it

(20:42):
happened so fast by the time. From well, but I
started when I was fourteen, right, Okay, I started, you know,
trying to rap at fourteen, you know, trying to DJ.
I started off as a DJ at at fourteen years old.
That's what I wanted to focused on it. I was

(21:03):
all right, I was good enough to make it. What
you mean, yeah, money, you did you DJ? You made
your biddle school party. I did that mean you?

Speaker 3 (21:14):
Okay? I mean they ain't want to play? No money?
Probably play you. They didn't have to pay me no more.
I already had a little money. What you doing something shady?
What's shady? You know what shady is? No clue you shady? Right?
I think you have to. You gotta do what the

(21:36):
times called for? Right? You see what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (21:40):
But you gotta do what the Times called for? And
if you never call came throwing newspapers, should I throw
the newspapers?

Speaker 3 (21:45):
Hey? Does anybody have some toilet paper, nappy and anything?
We got the raider? Okay? Cool? One second? The coldest
thing about it shaying, isn't it? Then?

Speaker 1 (21:54):
Why I pause this right click? Because this shit gonna
sound terrible. Mute this ship? Nothing left it could says nigga,
Oh big nose, good thing.

Speaker 3 (22:11):
You ain't have no habit. I can't say that. Damn faith.
And you still got money. I ain't got no money.
I don't want no money. Look how this nigga look
at it. I don't got no money. I don't want

(22:33):
no money. I don't want no money. Okay, hell no, no, hell.
When you got money, every motherfuckerybody else want your money.
I don't want no money.

Speaker 1 (22:41):
Your dad passed away. How old were you when your
dad passed? My biological yes, seven or eight?

Speaker 3 (22:55):
Do you remember it. I don't know him.

Speaker 1 (22:57):
I didn't never know him. But I know how he
died cause I have the newspaper articles on how my
biological father died.

Speaker 3 (23:08):
He died.

Speaker 1 (23:10):
In a woman's house because her husband, a boyfriend shot
him through the door.

Speaker 3 (23:16):
Mm. It was allain by the woman. There. You go,
all in by the woman.

Speaker 1 (23:23):
And when he came to the door, the man shot
him through the door and killed him. And yeah, that's
why when chicks be like, I'm man, I be like, shit,
that's it. You go, I'm good your head. But yeah,

(23:43):
my dad, now, my my dad, he just passed.

Speaker 3 (23:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (23:52):
He taught me. He taught me the game man. He
taught me the real live game, the real live hord
that a game.

Speaker 3 (24:00):
My dad was the weed man.

Speaker 1 (24:03):
And he would have stalks of weed drying in the
closet and I would I would go in there and
I would take, uh the little member of the brown
You don't know nothing about this, but they had the
brown uh bags.

Speaker 3 (24:19):
Yeah, they were a little nickel bag. Yeah, there was
wasn't a nickel. It was a nick.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
Okay, my bag. They came with that later. It wasn't
no nick when you were growing up. When I was
growing up, it was a nickel bag.

Speaker 3 (24:30):
No, it was a nick. It's still a nickel bag,
no shit. And I'm not gonna ride with this a nick.

Speaker 1 (24:36):
Okay, go ahead, So I put it. You make you
a knick, yeah, and then you can make you a
big din okay.

Speaker 3 (24:43):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (24:44):
So we had this partially seed uh. He had partially
in the UH, and they got my cousin right there.
We had partially in the UH, in the in the
in the kitchen, right So I didn't want my daddy
to know I was still in this. So I pop
off some of that.

Speaker 3 (25:02):
Bud that was dried all real good.

Speaker 1 (25:04):
Yeah, and I get enough and I just stepped on
a little bit with some partially season behind the hell
did I know to do that? I don't know, but
I did it. He been shady for a minute. I've
been shady for a minute, man, But I but I can.
I can honestly say my stepdad man taught me responsibility.

Speaker 3 (25:22):
Man. He taught me to he he he taught me
how to be a man, bruh.

Speaker 1 (25:26):
And you know what, standing and he stood in the gap. Bruh.
Myther my cousin verse always say, man, we we we
we we.

Speaker 3 (25:34):
You gotta love it. Man. He stood in the gap man,
cause he didn't have to do that, right, you know
what I mean.

Speaker 1 (25:38):
He didn't have to do that many it's not easy
to be in a stepparent. That man didn't call me
step cause your son, that's it.

Speaker 3 (25:44):
Period. Did you always have a great relationship with it. No.

Speaker 1 (25:47):
I didn't have a great relationship with my stepdad until
I understood, you know, until I grew up.

Speaker 3 (25:53):
Mm. You know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (25:55):
I'm like, damn, bruh. I ain't trying to move me
out the way. He trying to give me some game.

Speaker 3 (26:02):
Mm.

Speaker 1 (26:02):
And I think from the time when I was uh,
when I started going back to visit, you know, I
started getting little jewels and and and and stuff from him,
and I never will forget. I was coming back from
out of town and I I had some stuff with
me that came from my job, and I gave it

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to my daddy to hold it, to hold it for me,
and then I gave him the money and I came
back and got all my supplies that I went to
work with, and my money too, And it was years
and years and years and years and years and years
down the line, and I brought it up to him
and he said, yeah, I s and my mama say what.

Speaker 3 (26:49):
He still had it?

Speaker 1 (26:50):
No, he he never told my mom about it.

Speaker 3 (26:54):
Wow, you know what I mean? And that just let
me know that even.

Speaker 1 (26:58):
More so, how solid and how he stood on business.

Speaker 3 (27:04):
Man. Sometimes we don't appreciate stuff.

Speaker 1 (27:06):
Nah, I appreciate him never, because he taught me how
to be responsible, right, And I would always say that
when I was up, I say, man, I don't even
want to talk to my daddy about it, because he's
always drilled in my head about being responsible.

Speaker 3 (27:20):
Man, be responsible. This is you, you know. And I
got a lot of a lot a lot of respect
for that man. Rest in peace to Willie Terry because
he was a hell of a dude. Bro.

Speaker 1 (27:34):
I read that you used to write down all the
sayings I lived with my grandmother, and I can recor
you know, recite all the sayings hurt my grandfather. Yeah,
would say, why did you do that?

Speaker 3 (27:46):
I don't know, man, you didn't you don't you know
what you you you.

Speaker 1 (27:54):
Don't realize how smart a person was until you don't
have them around, or or you you you take that
that phrase, you don't get old being no food for
granted growing up, But when you think about it, Hell,
my grandmother was ninety three, ninety four years old when
she got out of here, so I know she wasn't

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no damn food and she had plenty since.

Speaker 3 (28:16):
Man.

Speaker 1 (28:16):
And it's not like the education because a lot of
these people they quit school in second third grade.

Speaker 3 (28:20):
Yeah, I'm one of them people that quit. Don't laughing.

Speaker 1 (28:27):
Oh, I'm trying a hold on time by time by time.
But let me we gotta go back. You just said
that skyline right whiller Ridge with willer Ridge, they having
a class for you.

Speaker 3 (28:37):
You're thirty five year Yeah, how you getting to go?
I was what you do? No? No, no, no, no, no,
no you you quit before they got there. No I
was there. No, just just because you started that class.
You gotta finish your life. I'm way gone.

Speaker 1 (28:52):
You know when you don't get to go to the reunion.
Well they would tell them that, man, because they're calling me.
I ain't been to every last one year I've been there.

Speaker 3 (28:59):
Are you getting to go? You the reunion. A I
missing something. I had an impact on my class face?
What grade did you go to? Nineth and a half?
You don't go on that far? Why you couldn't finish
the other two or a half? What? And I don't

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want to say that. I don't want nobody to hear
me say that. But for what?

Speaker 1 (29:22):
Because I can count, I can read, I can multiply.

Speaker 3 (29:28):
Yeah, you cheating like a mop.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
No, no, no, not see Actually you're supposed to put
a drop in there and it opens up the body.

Speaker 3 (29:37):
Let me see. No, you got to put a drop
in there. Oh I'm not. I got a concert tonight, man. Yeah,
they let me.

Speaker 1 (29:49):
Well, so you made so you went to the five
years to ten years to fifteen to twenty twenty five thirty?

Speaker 3 (29:55):
Yeah? I go to two class reunions how because I
was in both classes.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
M I kind of did what the f I wanted
to do and all that's the that's a parent for real.
You can consider you going to class for you then
you he graduated. I had a math teacher, y'all that
would sit my desk out in the hall every time
I came to her class. She knew that I was
coming and she'd have a desk in the hall for me,
cause you want some bull job.

Speaker 3 (30:18):
Nah, I wasn't no bull job, Dad, I forgot you
don't curse, So I A'm gonna curse no moment, Yeah,
I don't. He don't like that shit. So I mean
cause when I finished with my work, I'm gone, right.
I couldn't sit still, man, you know.

Speaker 1 (30:33):
Yeah, My mom would always say, what's going on in here?

Speaker 3 (30:40):
What is going on in here? No, Mama, she'd say, well,
I don't want you driving no more cause you not focused.
M She would always say that she don't want me driving.

Speaker 1 (30:53):
She'd want somebody else to drive for me because I
have too much going on in my head. And Margo
ridingy He'll always be laughing at me, you know, because
I'd be on the phone talking I'll be looking at
the back seat and driving. Yeah yeah, yeah. So as
a child, did you feel different? Did you think you
were different because you had all these thoughts in your head?

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Did you talk to the end of your friends like, man,
I'll be thinking.

Speaker 3 (31:17):
This, and you know I went too. You know.

Speaker 1 (31:20):
They put me in a uh An institution for this,
you know that, right, that's in my book, right, Yeah, yeah,
they put me in the I spent I spent some
time in one of those things, man, because of they.

Speaker 3 (31:34):
Put you in the fifty one to fifty hole. That's
a psych hole.

Speaker 1 (31:39):
Yeah, I was on the hold and I was in there,
and I spent a lot of I'd stay that long
ass time.

Speaker 3 (31:47):
Do you remember how old you were? I mean, because
you I mean, I was pre.

Speaker 1 (31:49):
Ad so I had to be eleven twelve years old,
so I wasn't quite an adolescent yet.

Speaker 3 (31:55):
Were you Were you doing things?

Speaker 1 (31:56):
I mean, what were you doing that they thought that
this would be this would be fit you?

Speaker 3 (32:01):
What was I doing? Yeah? Uh?

Speaker 1 (32:02):
They said that I was manic, depressive and uh uh
with with suicidal uh tendencies. They thought that I was
gonna kill myself and I never said I was gonna
kill myself. I did cut my wrist a couple of times.
I did uh overdose a.

Speaker 3 (32:22):
Couple of times.

Speaker 1 (32:22):
But I realized, now, you know that being older, that
if you really wanted to just die, you would just die.

Speaker 3 (32:33):
Were you looking for attention?

Speaker 1 (32:34):
So maybe I was seeking some attention from some attention
that wasn't there, that has never been there, you know
what I mean? And I'm gonna say I said a
thousand times, but I wasn't. I wasn't. I wasn't controlled.
I didn't have parents that will, you know, stop me.

Speaker 3 (32:51):
You did have guards, have no guardrails. I didn't have
no boundaries.

Speaker 1 (32:55):
You know, my uncles were already grown and you doing
what they I'm doing what they're doing. I'm smoking cigarettes,
I'm smoking weed. I got I got Indian charges.

Speaker 3 (33:06):
You know what.

Speaker 1 (33:08):
I smoked crack for the first time in nineteen eighty
three when the.

Speaker 3 (33:12):
Ship was cool. That's that. That's the height of the
epidemic in the eighties. In the beginning.

Speaker 1 (33:18):
No, no, that was the cool part in the eighties
because you had functioning, uh, functioning fiends and you can't
say addicts. Man, that's not things. They weren't fiends. They
just they just were users. But you do realize, like
the eighties that ushered in the No, no, it ushered

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it end.

Speaker 3 (33:38):
But back in the early eighties it was cool, trust me.

Speaker 1 (33:42):
And now in the eighties, now, when I got a
hold of the ship, it started.

Speaker 3 (33:47):
It got wasn't cool no more. That's when the ship
started not getting cool. But so that's before they started
stealing tv B. Yeah, that's when they started pawning shit.
That's that. That's when my game switched right. So I
never got hooked on dope.

Speaker 1 (34:05):
But you know, my uncle would come in from the
construction on another thing too, like like it was all
black construction concrete workers and and and and flagged me
in on the side of the road right when we
were growing up. And then it changed and I would
get back to that. But my uncle would come in. Man,
he have an eight ball. Man, I learned how to cook.

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He put that shit in the baker and he he
he'd uh hit it with the uh the torch and
put water in there and burn it until it turned
into a long little thing.

Speaker 3 (34:39):
And it fall out and I hit it one time.
That it is. But I wasn't but eleven, twelve years old.
When you say you never got a chance to be
a kid, you never got a chance.

Speaker 1 (34:56):
I never got a chance to be a kid. You also,
how old were you when you said living is hard,
dying is the easy part.

Speaker 3 (35:08):
I was this year.

Speaker 1 (35:09):
I was just I was this many years old. It
was it was, it was now it was an adult, like,
dying is the easy part. And that's why I said again, man,
I was probably trying to get some attention from some
of some seeking attention from people that pay no attention

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to nothing.

Speaker 3 (35:33):
You'll ask you your biological father, your bioce I know
you don't. You don't even know my bible. You didn't know,
you didn't know all at all.

Speaker 1 (35:41):
But I knew I do know the the side of
my biological family. And I met my cousin in Chicago
when we were adults.

Speaker 3 (35:51):
Wow, uh huh.

Speaker 1 (35:53):
And he said my daddy's name, and I said, yeah,
this is no some because don't nobody know his name,
you know what I mean? And then we've been super
dupi tight.

Speaker 3 (36:06):
And I got a couple of other cousins that I
met over the over the that that span too. But
I didn't know my dad, my biological at all.

Speaker 1 (36:15):
How do you learn to deal with those demons? Because
you said that things going in your head? You know,
cut yourself and you try some other things. Have you learned?
Because I think, and we're gonna get to this, I
think that's a lot of where your creativity now.

Speaker 3 (36:28):
You are a.

Speaker 1 (36:29):
Psychiatrist or something. Bro, did you go to school for
this shit? I took a couple of classes. Yeah, okay,
go ahead. Trying to dig this shit up. Well, how
did you feel when you were seven and you're But
I'm just saying, because listening at your raps and seeing
a man, do I see a man crying the way
you rap into creativity?

Speaker 3 (36:50):
I don't know if you know this guy. There was.

Speaker 1 (36:53):
A poet, William Culin Bryant, and he wrote a lot
about death. Pantopsis is it's famous. I'm going to go
into this, but I you know, I regret writing about death,
you know, writing so much, or or the state.

Speaker 3 (37:10):
Of being, you know, dying. I regret writing about that
ship because now it's it's it's it's so close. Man.
Have you always thought about dying? Have no?

Speaker 1 (37:28):
I've always thought about dying, Like I've always wanted to
see how it felt to just die and then like
come back and tell them, like, broin't what you want? No,
you don't go in there here, but now on the
cool man, I always felt like.

Speaker 3 (37:48):
Like.

Speaker 1 (37:50):
Did you did you hear these thoughts? Did a lot
of my songs? Know I'm saying, nobody.

Speaker 3 (37:57):
Talked to Okay? You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (38:00):
If I I talked through my my pin, I didn't have
nobody to talk to and and.

Speaker 3 (38:04):
I feel like I feel like.

Speaker 1 (38:09):
If I told somebody how I felt, or told somebody
you know what I was thinking, they probably think I
was crazy. Yeah, you were gonna say that. Yeah, so
they's a mad face. Get a brad, get a check. Yeah,
and and and now at this age, I don't care
what they think. You know, I'm not already been through it, right,
I'm I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm coming out of the store.

Speaker 3 (38:30):
So your friends didn't know, or did they?

Speaker 1 (38:34):
I didn't have any friends, Damn, I don't think I had.
I I had people I hung out with sometimes, but
I don't really have no friends, right, I didn't really.
You know that's crazy though. You know how you got
a whole lot of friends you grew up with and
they was your.

Speaker 3 (38:49):
Friends, and y'all was friends. But I ain't really got
a whole lot of friends like that.

Speaker 1 (38:56):
I think it was probably because I lived in a
uh a, in two different.

Speaker 3 (39:03):
Two different households. You know, when I was with my grandmother,
my uncle's was my friends and they friends was my friends.
You know.

Speaker 1 (39:14):
So you've always had an old soul because that's all
you've ever been around. You've never been you at my
oldest friend that I I've known in my life. My
oldest friend that I met, probably when I was one
or two or three years old, died the other day
from a massive heart attack. And I'm thinking to myself, like, wow,
here we go calling everybodyself Brad. Yeah, and and and well,

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I mean you said you dropped out of school in
the ninth grade. Ninth and a half, ninth and a
half or so, he was almost a sophomore almost when
you told your did you tell your mom that you
was dropping you tell your grandma?

Speaker 3 (39:58):
What did they say? Or you just didn't go to school?
And what day? I didn't live with them, bro, I
was gone.

Speaker 1 (40:04):
So they didn't know if you was going to school
or not. Anyway, don't care.

Speaker 3 (40:09):
I was already gone. My mama got me an apartment. Man.
She just said it, and she said it. She had
you did quite well, Yeah, if you had, if you
had to live with your mom, you live with your grandma.
Do you believe you to quit school? Yeah? Maybe no.

(40:29):
You know what, I would have quit school? You know why? Why?

Speaker 1 (40:32):
Because no past, no play came into it.

Speaker 3 (40:35):
What damn face? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (40:37):
And I was smartest you could imagine, but it was
just boring to me, you know. And when they implemented
no past, no play like I was a football player. Man,
I wanted to play football. And when they said no
more football, I didn't even want to go to school now,
So what am I going to school for? Because I'm
really just going to school. Yeah, man, I can answer
track reading right, But I want to I want to play.

Speaker 3 (40:59):
I want played, you know, I want to play football.
Is it true you beat up the principal? I did?
Why you beat the principal? That man old? He wasn't old.
He wasn't old back then he was though he had
to be in his thirties. That wasn't old. You was

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fourteen fifteen, I wasn't that old. Well, damn, how old
were you when you beat him?

Speaker 1 (41:25):
I was in like the six or seventh grade, Damn.
I had a fight with somebody in the commons locker
area and his brother came by to the fight, so

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I gave him the business.

Speaker 3 (41:48):
I gave his brother the business. And then.

Speaker 1 (41:53):
One of the principals came by, was trying to pull me,
but they wasn't pulling them, so I gave them the business.
And then the other principal, Mss Kyle, she came by.

Speaker 3 (42:03):
I gave her the business.

Speaker 1 (42:05):
Yeah, you had to go to school. I know you
weren't gonna be able to go back to that school.
You might have went to school somewhere else in another district,
but you weren't going back there.

Speaker 3 (42:11):
No more face.

Speaker 1 (42:12):
If I would have really wanted to go back to
that school, I couldn't went back to that school.

Speaker 3 (42:15):
Now that you don't beat up the whole damn school,
it didn't matter if I was determined to go back.

Speaker 1 (42:21):
As a matter of fact, I think all I had
to do is like like two or three months in uh.

Speaker 3 (42:29):
Alternative school, and I didn't do that. I didn't do it.
Why were you acting out?

Speaker 1 (42:38):
I don't think it was acting out. I just didn't
want to be with you, know what I mean, Like,
I'm cool as hell man until you push that.

Speaker 3 (42:45):
Aff it with people. No, I'm not. I'm not. I'm
cool as hell man.

Speaker 1 (42:50):
Just don't with me, don't don't don't don't push him
out because he'll come, you know what I mean. I've
been keeping him nice in head. So he's passed for
these years is and they brought they brought something out
of you that God, don't you.

Speaker 3 (43:03):
Don't want to see him? I don't want to see him.
No more, I don't want to see him.

Speaker 1 (43:10):
Remember when we were sitting there and I say, man,
I ain't gotten a whole lot of people.

Speaker 3 (43:13):
I ride around.

Speaker 1 (43:13):
I don't ride around with nobody. I ride around a
pistol because I know what I'm gonna do. I know
what I'm gonna do. Don't make me make that. Don't
make me make that decision. Can we leave the pistol
hall when I come to Houston?

Speaker 3 (43:27):
No?

Speaker 1 (43:27):
Oh, lord can. I'm just gonna meet you there, y'all
just gonna beat you. Y'all'm gonna beat you at the spot.

Speaker 3 (43:33):
Yeah, you can meet me. And you not coming to Houston.
I am coming. You're not gonna call when I come
to get you. I almost moved to Houston. That wud
have been a disaster.

Speaker 1 (43:42):
Came close, and came back to Vegas in Houston to
see did the team be wanting to move to Houston
so bad they.

Speaker 3 (43:50):
Want to go? Yes? Ship man, you could be the
neighbors possible.

Speaker 1 (43:56):
No, hell, know you're along with your apartments cause I
mean because like when you're on your own, you could
do a lot of stuff. So you got an apartment
and you start selling No, you were selling.

Speaker 3 (44:11):
Before the way before then. I worked at a movie
there and I'm selling what drug? No, man, I ain't
never sold no drugs, man.

Speaker 1 (44:20):
So when you stick, So when you stealing your stepfather's weed,
you were just smoking you and the boys were smoking it,
or you just smoking it.

Speaker 3 (44:27):
I was stealing weed and putting partially seeds with the weed.

Speaker 1 (44:31):
But what were you doing with it? You wouldn't just
the people don't just steal just to steal. That's the
part I'm trying to get to. Well, I would roll
up two dollars squares and if anybody wanted to buy squalls.
So you were selling drugs. I wasn't selling drugs. That's weed, okay,
And I sell weed, but I was I was like
seven eight years old. Oh lord, I wasn't.

Speaker 3 (44:53):
I wasn't.

Speaker 1 (44:54):
I wasn't just Nino Brown. No, but Nino Brown this.
But this was my personal right. You know, I'm just
not gonna give it away. If you wanted you, that's
two dollars square. And if I had a nick nick
a a nick on me. Yeah, And and my knicks
never was real nicks though, so y no, they wasn't
really they were never real knicks man, cause I rolled

(45:16):
me a couple of squares after Nick and I sell them.
So it be a couple of square short, yeah a Nick?
How many square could you get out of Nick? Back
in the game by three, three, by three and four?
And so y'all know they wouldn't come beto it. But but
but the thing is you probably y uh that homegrown.
So they were bumped to begin with.

Speaker 3 (45:31):
That home run. Now you have some home roun y'all
leave except most terrible we ever man. But you know
where that there comes some grass and let it drive man.

Speaker 1 (45:42):
Nah, nah, that home grown. I don't even it. It
just give you a eye high, yeah, like your eyes
just be high. You don't really be high, though, But
I never i I I had a job and I
worked at the movie theater. But before the MU movie theater,
I had another job. I had a hustle. Yeah, so
I was hustling. All right, did you let you you

(46:03):
let your homies in the movie theater free or you
let them cut? Hey, give me a dollar, I'll let
you in. No, I just let him in. Matter of fact,
I ain't really had no homies man that would come
by there like that, right, you know what I mean,
and this was and I was too young to be
working anyway, right, I was like, it wasn't too learned
back then, because they put your ass to work, said,
oh bro, you had to be you were supposed to be, right,

(46:28):
excuse me.

Speaker 3 (46:28):
And these were white people, right. I worked at bel
Air at a movie theater.

Speaker 1 (46:34):
Right, you had to you had to work like eight
hours a day sometimes.

Speaker 3 (46:39):
And me being sixteen years old, you know, they wondering
why I ain't in school.

Speaker 1 (46:46):
So I told him that I was eighteen years old, right,
so I can keep that job, keep their job. But
I feeled on application at this hyper mark called oh
shan Okay, they had just built the biggest it's big,
like all aren't like Sam was.

Speaker 3 (47:01):
Or something big, big big. And I worked as a
stock boy at night and overnight.

Speaker 1 (47:07):
And I worked a few days man, and they wrote
that I had a check man that check with four
hundred and some dollars. That was a lot of money back,
I was a lot of money for a couple of
days of work. Right, yeah, So I never got my
check and I never went back to work. Well, damn,
did you do you want another check?

Speaker 3 (47:23):
I invested. I invested in my in your other business,
my business, yeah, investment, I invested, Yeah, and then when
I started making music, I had a lot.

Speaker 1 (47:36):
To talk about. I had a lot to talk about,
right because I knew several businesses. You had, You had
a as they say, you had life experience. You lived
life more by the time you was sixteen seventeen.

Speaker 3 (47:54):
For sure, no question about it. Yeah, for sure. Remember
I was.

Speaker 1 (48:02):
Eight years old and we used to wear these medallions
that we got from the game room down the street,
and they would ask us, uh no, the guy would
swear us here, and we'd take an oath, you know,
I swaw I solemnly swear to protect.

Speaker 3 (48:17):
The week, and blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.

Speaker 1 (48:19):
Right, so guy walks into this place called you told
him we was kids, man, and we were hiding in there,
and they robbed that place and they they shot that
clerk man, and then we'll forget that.

Speaker 3 (48:37):
You were there.

Speaker 1 (48:38):
Yeah, Me and a couple of men men, another couple
of buddies of mine, we were there.

Speaker 3 (48:44):
I was.

Speaker 1 (48:51):
This lady had got shot in our apartment complex. Mm
and it's the first time that I ever seen like
blood like that, And it was thick like I can't
even describe how thick it was, but it was so thick, man,

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And that lady was dead, her husband killed her, and
that lady was dead, and that blood was thick. Bro,
it was so thick. Yeah. Yeah, as a kid, man,
it's traumatized, man by just different stuff I've seen over

(49:35):
the years. You know, the first starting of my career,
you know, every concert we had, somebody would get killed
or you know, two girls and and and I don't
know if that was San Diego or or somewhere.

Speaker 3 (49:50):
We was at San Diego. Yep.

Speaker 1 (49:54):
So it was in San Diego and we finished a
concert and got ready to leave it to girls laying
out on the side of a Volkswagon bug dead. Like
all it shows, man, somebody got shot, somebody got this,
somebody got that.

Speaker 3 (50:13):
Every neighborhood that we lived in, somebody was man.

Speaker 1 (50:18):
I remember, we used to have parties in the house, parties, man,
and we would go in that house party, even go
to the Great Stake skate We're going there to fight, man.
And it always had a pistol on me.

Speaker 3 (50:35):
Always had a pistol.

Speaker 1 (50:37):
Your uncle stole for you from you and your grand
I think it was in your book where you said
your uncle stole for and your grandfather shot at you. Yeah,
your your uncle stole money? What did you steal from you?

Speaker 3 (50:53):
Some material that I have to use to go to
work with.

Speaker 1 (51:01):
It was like like like wrenches, like a musket wrench.
Yeah my job? Yeah yeah yeah work yeah?

Speaker 5 (51:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (51:10):
How you how you how you gonna do your job
if I.

Speaker 1 (51:13):
Don't have my my my job with So we we
had a fight. How you know he stole it because
didn't nobody else know where it was? So you fought
your uncle? Yeah, you get it back? No, you beat
your uncle up?

Speaker 3 (51:33):
I did. Did you apologize to him? I do? You
didn't at the time, but you do now.

Speaker 1 (51:42):
Yeah, why your grandfather shoot at you?

Speaker 3 (51:46):
Costly cut that. You gotta keep him in there, man,
You gotta keep him in there because you let him out. Bro.

Speaker 1 (51:54):
Yeah, that ship is bad, bad, right. So he shot
at me and I heard him. He's sure right, bro? Yep,
the tools that you needed to go to work with?

(52:15):
Did you ever use any of those tools?

Speaker 3 (52:16):
I did?

Speaker 1 (52:21):
Did you get hooked? I didn't get hooked. I didn't
get I didn't get addicted. But I used it before. Yeah,
you have to you have to. You have to make
sure that the frame that you build. Yeah, make sure

(52:41):
it's okay, right, Yeah, you know you don't want to
see the fall in when you start walking on the roof.
Do you You tried to rob a b So who
tries to rob?

Speaker 2 (52:51):
So?

Speaker 3 (52:51):
What was your thought process in that? What you robbing
the bank? I ain't never tried to rob no bank?
You we was successful? No, I don't know, No want
to ride no bank. That's where the money at me? Yeah?
Rob a bankon no bro, My name Brad, not rob
When did you?

Speaker 1 (53:10):
When did you say, you know what enough of all
this other stuff that I got going on, I'm going
to the rap game. You didn't make it. It didn't
happen like that. So how did you start rapping?

Speaker 3 (53:22):
How did I start rapping? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (53:25):
It was a cool ass pastime in junior high school,
in high school, okay, right, rapping? You was only there
for a year and a half in high school, so
it wasn't that cool. It was cool, okay because everybody
went from one school to the next. We all knew
each other. So it kind of felt like I did graduate,
you know, kind of feel like I was still in
school with everybody Okay to this day, yeah, we're still together.

Speaker 3 (53:49):
I feel like.

Speaker 1 (53:52):
When I when I first started uh uh growing a
passion and rapping from for rapping, you know, it was
listening to everybody. And then when I heard kra Is One,

(54:13):
I think that's when I really wanted to start to
be a rapper. When I heard Ice Tea, I really
wanted to be a rapper. When I heard Ice Cube,
I really wanted to be a rapper. Now, listening to
LL cool J and Big Daddy Kane let me know
that I couldn't be a rapper, you know, because they
were just so immaculately skilled. Not that h none of

(54:33):
the other UH artists that I mentioned aren't, but it
was just when I heard that, I was like, you
know what, I wanna do this alright, But so I
I ended up making a couple of records with a
guy in Houston, and.

Speaker 3 (54:58):
I made a song called Scarface and it came out.

Speaker 1 (55:04):
It was the first one that we that that that
that's the first one that we probably heard yet.

Speaker 3 (55:11):
But buddy of mine, Chris Barrier, rest in peace. They
called him three.

Speaker 1 (55:15):
Two had we were we were together and we made
a uh he made a record I don't remember the
name of it, but it was more of a radio
friendly record, and the record label, UH wanted to go
with that because it was more user friendly.

Speaker 3 (55:31):
Right.

Speaker 1 (55:32):
And on the other side of town, there was another
kid that wanted to put me, that liked what I
was saying and wanted to put me, you know, in
a group now, mind you, about three or four months
before that, I had rode the bus over to to

(55:55):
the car lot to play some songs for him, and
one of the castle was like, that's not what we're
looking for. And then like a few few weeks, a
few months later, you know, Steve Fangner playing a record
for a little j at the rying Stone Wrangler parking
lot and she'd do was at my house, m And

(56:22):
I was like, man, how you find me just like that?

Speaker 3 (56:25):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (56:27):
You mentioned kr is one known as a lyricsis Big
Gatty Kane lyricist rock Him lyricist. People put you in
that and you are a storyteller and that come people
that you know what you what I noticed, And I'm
a storyteller because I've hung around. I hung around a
lot of old people, and old people told stories. You know,

(56:49):
go get your haircut at the barbershop and they playing
checkers and they telling old man telling stories.

Speaker 3 (56:54):
Your storyteller, is that how you thought your rap career?
Did it? So? What were you open to be as
a rapper? What was gonna be? I didn't know.

Speaker 1 (57:06):
I knew that that Ice two told a cold ass story.
You know, six in the morning, Police at my door,
Fresh Tisty this week talking the bathroom. So you you know,
just clicking the ice cube once upon a time in
the projects.

Speaker 3 (57:21):
Yo.

Speaker 1 (57:22):
So we can't just say that that that that my
storytelling is all that. But you know, uh what about
Will Smith's storytelling? You know, like Will Smith had some
cold ass stories.

Speaker 3 (57:35):
Man.

Speaker 1 (57:37):
Uh, have you ever in your life experience today when
nothing it all seems to go your way like Day
and Dane. Yeah, tell of storytellers, man. I grew up
in the era of hip hop where where it was
a force to be wrecking with Man, they had some
nice You love to hear the story again and again
how it all got started way back when like that.

(57:57):
Those are immaculate cumlines, man, those are beautiful openings to
a book.

Speaker 3 (58:02):
Bruh. You have to have you have to have that
in order to be a.

Speaker 1 (58:10):
Cold blooded lyricist, storyteller, and they had that and it
just it just came through me too.

Speaker 3 (58:17):
Do we have that now? In some cases? Yeah? You
got some cool night saying storytellers in the rap right now.

Speaker 1 (58:31):
If I if I were to ask you, give me
your top five lyricists of all time, all times, all time,
not five, I don't have a top five like that.
Some greats. I'll give you some name of some greats.
Kaine is a great rock, Kim is a great, Chris
is a great. Carries one. Yeah, that's all. That's a

(58:56):
l Yeah you didn't.

Speaker 3 (58:57):
I did not know.

Speaker 1 (58:57):
You didn't. L's are great great lyricists. Nas is a great. Yeah,
jay Z is a great. I mean I don't have
a top five, you know, like my top five are
going to the top thousands, you know, I think I
think that Pot, I think that Cube, I think that

(59:20):
uh Shan. And who am I missing?

Speaker 3 (59:27):
Like I can't I can't because I'll miss everybody.

Speaker 1 (59:30):
Q Tip is great. Yeah, you know, Ti is a great,
Wayne is a great. You would name lyricists a year
in two thousand and one, you beat whole be m
Prodigy to leave Coopley. You beat a whole m prodigy.

Speaker 3 (59:47):
You surprised, Damn, I be damn and I just.

Speaker 1 (59:55):
Nah, I mean, I'm honored to be among uh uh
the greats. You know, how does that make you feel
when they when people talk about lyricists, when they mentioned
the Kris Ones, when they mentioned the b DK big
Daddy came, when they mentioned when they mentioned Rock him,
that's that's that's in a selected few conversations. Man, that

(01:00:16):
my name pops up. I'm not I'm not I'm not
mad or I don't feel nothing right. You know, I
think that everybody's entire to their opinion though you feel
me like it's it's people that people think just like
the best.

Speaker 3 (01:00:30):
Rappers in the world. And I don't even I don't
even see him, you know what I mean? Oh man,
he's back. Nah nah. Chris Rock said you wanted the
top three all time? No, nah, top three are all times.

Speaker 1 (01:00:48):
Is if somebody, if somebody had to say, Okay, for
your life, we're gonna add ten extra years to your life.
Give me your top four rappers all time, four four,
give me your We're gonna add ten years to your life.

Speaker 3 (01:01:02):
Because we know you ain't trying to go see different.
I just say take take tea in us. Yeah. Man, real,
you ain't trying to go like that.

Speaker 1 (01:01:16):
I don't care, man, I don't have a top four man,
Like I would say my top four influences, then can
I say that? Yeah, go ahead, Okay, Well, I'm gonna
say Chuck Chuck d I'm gonna say Big Daddy came.
I'm gonna say ice Cube shooting.

Speaker 3 (01:01:40):
Man. I gotta, I gotta, I gotta, I gotta say
cool J because it was just it was just music
that dude put out that really inspired me to want

(01:02:00):
to be this man.

Speaker 1 (01:02:05):
I saw those guys the concerts. I saw LLL the
fat Ball was there. That's what I'm talking about. Run
dmc houdini. I saw the fresh Fest. I saw all
them in concert.

Speaker 3 (01:02:18):
Was you. I think it was like nineteen eighty six. Yeah,
that's the year. That's the year.

Speaker 1 (01:02:22):
That's the year that that that's the concert we were
coming from them when dude robed that store and kill
the clerk. Wow, that's the concert we were coming from.
It was called the fresh Fest.

Speaker 3 (01:02:33):
Yeah remember yeah man. Yeah.

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Speaker 3 (01:03:45):
Do you like? Do you really?

Speaker 1 (01:03:48):
I mean, because for me, I don't think these are
so a lot of times artists today and people that
follow rapp and hip hop today, I don't think they
give that generation the credit that they deserve because now
they feel like if they didn't if if they didn't hear,
if they didn't see it, that it didn't happen on
the internet yesterday, it ain't happened, did the Does that frustrate?
I think it's, you know, as as as shameful as

(01:04:10):
it is, man, I can understand that because look at
what they're doing with black history. Yeah, okay, yeah, you
see what I'm saying. Like it it's black history is
becoming uh extinct. And you know, the more the more
and more we we try to talk about it and
bring it to the forefront, the more the more the
more they try to hide it. Okay, So I understand,

(01:04:33):
and I would Yeah, if if if I was trying
to brainwash people, man, I wouldn't do it exactly like that.
I would first take their history away and then I
would poison their music.

Speaker 3 (01:04:45):
That is exactly That's exactly what I would do.

Speaker 1 (01:04:48):
Because it's it's really like I remember back in the gap, man,
it was all fire and one or two you know, uh,
it felt that slipped through the crack, right, But now
it's one or two fires and everything slipped through the crack.

(01:05:12):
It's my opinion. You know, shit, I'm and I and
you know, I'm I'm uh, I'm different, mm, I'm cut different,
I'm a little older. And I know what it's supposed
to sound like. You know, I know the elements of
hip hop. I was blessed enough to come up in
an era where can in the golden era, the golden era, Yeah,
and and and and I can, I can. I can
actually go and thank my the ones that came before me.

(01:05:37):
I can thank them for what for the for the
ground that they lay for me to stand dumb man
like I see uh, I see Cane, you know, and
I see l.

Speaker 3 (01:05:47):
All the time, man. And I thank them even even
uh uh a red alert and kid can Prey. I
thank them for letting me, you know, be a part
of this.

Speaker 1 (01:05:56):
But I's had the opportunity to sit down with uh
dj can as casting Ova Fly on the c A
s N the Ova and Fly he stole the man
whole rap.

Speaker 3 (01:06:10):
That was a big bag. Hang. You wasn't casting over Fly,
but I heard the story.

Speaker 1 (01:06:16):
Along with So it's Kumo d casting over Fly and
fave Fire Freddy having.

Speaker 3 (01:06:22):
A talk man about hip hop. Man.

Speaker 1 (01:06:23):
And I have never felt so unworthy to be in
a room in my life, bro, Like, I don't feel
worthy to be in there with that, because when they
talk about it from the beginning, like, it gives what
Shad said, you love to hear the story again and again.

Speaker 3 (01:06:42):
And how it all got started way back.

Speaker 1 (01:06:44):
When and give it a whole new meaning when you
sit and you listen to them talk about hip hop
from the conception, yeah, the fifty years at the beginning. Man,
it was unbelievable, man.

Speaker 3 (01:06:55):
And I was.

Speaker 1 (01:06:56):
I was a fly on the wall in that room
listening to those four way to tell that story, man,
And I was like, wow, I'm not worthy storytelling? How
did how did that become a part of because that's
who you are. You're a storyteller, you know. And I
think it was in my English class, my English.

Speaker 3 (01:07:20):
Yeah, it was early. Okay, you try to be funny.
Let me tell you, get your back on it all
the time.

Speaker 1 (01:07:27):
You be popping on the yeah, I be popping what
I'm saying, and ask hard man, you say, I ain't.

Speaker 3 (01:07:31):
I ain't fired you up on camera, but I'm not
gonna do it. Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:07:35):
I appreciate that I teach you that, but I already
know you got something to borrow.

Speaker 3 (01:07:39):
I got some ship now.

Speaker 1 (01:07:43):
So my my English teacher, when I was probably in
the third grade, used to always tell me about writing, man,
writing your story had to have a It had to
have a beginning, It had to have a a body,
a climax, and then an ending. So I always trying

(01:08:05):
to write my records like that, you know, to drag
you into the story man, to give you the to
to to grab you and put you in that month
oh shut me in, you know, and then take you
to the climax of it and then end it.

Speaker 3 (01:08:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:08:22):
So that that's so, It's just some old English. Was
it englishman or was it a reading class or writing class?
I don't know right, but whatever whatever class it was,
it gave me that, yeah, because every excuse me, every
story has to have a start after have a middle,
after that end.

Speaker 3 (01:08:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:08:40):
And that's what he said at the beginning, a body,
a climax, and an ending. Yeah, so I took something
from school. Right you are? You were featured on Biggie
Possimus sat. Did you mean did you ever I met Biggie?

Speaker 3 (01:08:56):
I did? I met him uh and uh uh Louisville, Kentucky.

Speaker 1 (01:09:01):
Okay, I met him there. Yeah, cool dude, man. I
never spent a lot of time with Biggie, but I did.
I did have the the put being on one of
the records from the Biggie duets, so.

Speaker 3 (01:09:16):
I'm on that. Yeah. Park spent a lot of time
with Tupac.

Speaker 1 (01:09:23):
Because we were discussing that smile might have been the
last studio thing. He say that because he was always
in the studio. I probably left the studio and he
did thirty five more records that night.

Speaker 3 (01:09:36):
May No, he was a worker haling man, but probably
though we'd have heard about it true. What was he like?
Park was wild?

Speaker 1 (01:09:52):
He had a zero to one hundred is zero one.
He I have never seen him own zero up. Always
always seen him on the hun under. I've always seen
him on a hundred and and and and yeah, I
ain't never seen him down. It was always he was

(01:10:15):
always on fire. I remember one time true story was Warren.

Speaker 3 (01:10:24):
So Pocket came.

Speaker 1 (01:10:25):
To my room and I hate when Warren bring people
to my room. So my brother brought Tupac to my room.
We staying in the in the Le Montrose in LA
and Warren. I hate this man, but he knocked on
my door. I opened the door and it's Tupact Warren.

(01:10:47):
Warren left, Tupac come in the room, man, and it's
the first time we started smoking the weed from California.
Oh oh, So I was really really really really really
really high. Yeah, and I had a I had a
a suite and it had two beds, right, so I'm high.
I'm watching TV Man and part coming in there with

(01:11:07):
all that loud ass shit man and I grabbed her
remote control and I just handed it. He was like, yeah, man,
we gonna so well this. He he sat there on
the bed for a minute, man, flipping through the channels.

(01:11:29):
He walked to the to the patio door, looked out
and he seen Sug in a red Mercedes Benz.

Speaker 3 (01:11:40):
And he left.

Speaker 1 (01:11:46):
I don't think that uh Park was that cool with
Sug back then, right.

Speaker 3 (01:11:53):
Cause he did leave, and I.

Speaker 1 (01:11:56):
Don't know they coulda been the best of friends, but
I know that he was gone, right and we ended
up getting out him going out somewhere, and then I didn't.
I didn't see Pac no more. But me and Park
being on tours together. You know, we been in Atlanta together.
We we that's that's my partner, man. Like I would
talk to Tupaca.

Speaker 3 (01:12:13):
On the phone before he was uh.

Speaker 1 (01:12:20):
Me against the well, not me against the world, but uh,
what's the one? What's the the other album? All I
talked to Tupac before he was all eyes on me?
All right, Me and Park been down since. Uh Tupaca
lists now Pac, you know what I mean? That's the
part I know. I know the the uh this is
for my first part? Wow, yeah, I know that part.

(01:12:44):
How is his different writing style different than yours?

Speaker 3 (01:12:47):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:12:48):
You never seen him write anything, no, but I can
tell you that I was his favorite rapper and he
was money.

Speaker 3 (01:12:56):
So I leave that.

Speaker 1 (01:12:58):
I leave that way it's at So maybe we did
have similar writing style, but we never wrote together. As
a matter of fact, he would always be mad at
me because it took me so long to write records.

Speaker 3 (01:13:09):
You know, he right.

Speaker 1 (01:13:10):
Pisted at me. Man, every time he comes to the studio. Yeah, man,
let's get up.

Speaker 3 (01:13:13):
We gonna go here with.

Speaker 1 (01:13:14):
No I'm not going there, right, I'm not. I'm not
going anywhere and park to begin with. Because he doesn't
have a driver's license.

Speaker 3 (01:13:23):
No more.

Speaker 1 (01:13:24):
Back then he may have got one, you know later
he didn't have no driver, but he drive with no license.

Speaker 3 (01:13:28):
I'm more, yeah, for sure. Yeah. And he couldn't drive, man.

Speaker 1 (01:13:35):
And people was trying to get me to roll that
humber one time, and somebody had a picture of that
hummer on the internet.

Speaker 3 (01:13:42):
Man, and I was like, damn, man, that shot me back.
But he can't. He couldn't drive, Man, And he was wild,
and he'd be drinking and he'd be smoking weed and.

Speaker 1 (01:13:52):
Shit, no, man, I'm not gonna ride with him. These
ain't got no license to drinking smoking weed. A good driver, No,
that's that's a recipe for disaster, man. And the prevention
has always better than trying to carry it. So no pot, no,
sirn You told the story about jay Z and and
how you know you were in.

Speaker 3 (01:14:08):
The studio and he's like, yeah, I like I like this.

Speaker 1 (01:14:11):
What he gets up, goes into the booth, ain't write
nothing down. Oh no, and all right, dap you up
and gone and pieced out. I mean, like, damn, I'm
sitting in front of the board stuck. He's already rapped,
but he was sitting in that little corner maybe. I

(01:14:33):
know you probably seen on the on the timbling. Uh
but the dusty shoulder out of here to beat and
rocking and sitting. All of a sudden, he's gonna take
the vocal. Yeah, explain, Tell the story, the story of
how you said, you said jay Z helped you when
you're at your worst. We've heard stories about him, what
he did for little Wayne. We heard what he did.

(01:14:55):
You know, Wayne had some tax trouble. Jay Z a Claire.
He let DM leave. It was was in debt. Let
him leave, I think, uh point in one Savage helped
him get an immigration lawyer.

Speaker 3 (01:15:06):
So we've heard these great stories.

Speaker 1 (01:15:08):
No matter what people try to say bad about him,
negative about him, but we hear more positive great stories.

Speaker 3 (01:15:13):
Tell your story.

Speaker 1 (01:15:15):
So you remember when I caught the COVID and kidney
failure and all that, Yeah, yeah, jay Z chunk me
a lifeline. And you know when I had the the
the kidney and the COVID and the kidney. Yeah, DJ
Kalen chunk me a lifeline. Yeah, So can't nobody tell
me shit about jay Z and DJ Callen wow because
they chunk me a lifeline an and and uh.

Speaker 3 (01:15:41):
You know I I I gotta I'm thankful. Yeah you
know what I mean, Cause I was, I was, I
didn't I wasn't working right, but yeah, so shut out
the whole end.

Speaker 1 (01:15:51):
DJ Calent, You know I always I always talked to
uh when I talk to jay Z. Call him the
keeper of the culture man, cause.

Speaker 3 (01:16:01):
He do that big brother shit.

Speaker 1 (01:16:02):
Yeah you know, y you think y you think a
whole would do another album for what?

Speaker 3 (01:16:08):
Cause people say, like.

Speaker 1 (01:16:09):
For him, for what he's got a it like it's
got a movie. It's like it's gotta be something that
like that calls out to him and right now, ain't
nothing called him.

Speaker 3 (01:16:22):
Let me tell you something, man, So let me say this.

Speaker 1 (01:16:28):
So I saw I I won't be misunderstood. He don't
have no reason to rap no more. You know, we
rap because we was hungry, man, you know what I mean,
right like we we we spoke our we spoke our
heart and told I was signed the story.

Speaker 3 (01:16:47):
Because we were starving. Man. You know, we ain't starving
no more.

Speaker 1 (01:16:57):
You know what I mean, I do after that, man,
not starving And man, got kids. You see how he's
prepping them girls. Man, you see that.

Speaker 3 (01:17:05):
It's crazy and it man, it's unbelievable. Man.

Speaker 1 (01:17:08):
How and and I've been I've been knowing uh that
baby saying she was a baby baby.

Speaker 3 (01:17:13):
And to see up there with our mama, I'm like cool.

Speaker 1 (01:17:19):
I called him man, I say, boy, Wayne, did we
tell you that?

Speaker 3 (01:17:24):
Ain't Wayne? I mean that Warren Warren Warren. We can't
help it. He can't help it. He can't, he cannot
he cannot help that ship. Man.

Speaker 1 (01:17:32):
Ever since we was kids, brouh, he was always on
the phone.

Speaker 3 (01:17:37):
He always on the phone. Always he on the phone, sleep,
he on the phone, facetimeed driving and not saying nothing
we got we gotta do better. Like he just on
the look his his earphones.

Speaker 1 (01:17:58):
He is on the phone and he ain't talking about
ship because his mouth ain't even moving.

Speaker 3 (01:18:07):
He just might be listening to a beat. He not
listening to no beat. That nigga can't rapkind damn. Oh,
help me understand this.

Speaker 1 (01:18:19):
I know you heard it because he was He came
on Nightcap Jim Jones and his influence and.

Speaker 3 (01:18:24):
Nods you cool with Jim. I love Jim Jones, but
he got his mind on it. I don't know why you.

Speaker 1 (01:18:36):
I'm not gonna say ship about nothing. You okay with beefs?
You ever had a rap beef with anybody? No, I
ain't got no. I don't want no beef. I don't
when you when you when you? And I don't know
if a beef good belief beef? No, nigga, what you
want to do? Like like all that talking, nigga, what
you want to do?

Speaker 3 (01:18:56):
Like all that talk? What you want to do? They
want to talk? I mean I don't want anything talk.
What you want to do? Well, keep my mouth, name
out your mouth.

Speaker 1 (01:19:04):
Punk, it's gonna say shit about me like that's how
I feel about it.

Speaker 3 (01:19:09):
That's how you feel about it. So you ain't gonna
have no beef. I'm nigga. I'm done now I'm gonna
be beef in front now. Yeah, you know what you
want beef? Oh you want beef now? I ain't rapping
nohing on you. Now you want a beef? No, I don't.
I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:19:23):
I don't want no. I don't want no smoke from
nobody in all honesty, man, because I can't control what
nobody else do. Right, you know what I'm saying I
can't control what nobody else do. I ain't got nothing
to do with it, right, But I don't have no
control over what somebody else do, right and and back.
We took that ship so serious and so they did. Man,
they take it personal, man right, and I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:19:45):
I don't never want to be involved in that kind
of stuff. Man. Right.

Speaker 1 (01:19:49):
You have a great relationship with you because you've been
on a lot of the soundtracks.

Speaker 3 (01:19:53):
A mentor.

Speaker 1 (01:19:55):
He's a mentor. You know, he's a mentor. We were
re h we made a song may yeah leader, but yeah,
he's a mentor.

Speaker 3 (01:20:10):
You work with master P, you work with some heavy
weights face I did.

Speaker 1 (01:20:17):
So I was listening to a song i'm'a go get
a cube shit, So I'm listening to the uh we
listen to a record of Men and Cube?

Speaker 3 (01:20:22):
Did we?

Speaker 1 (01:20:22):
We sitting in the studio listening together, right, And I'm
listening and he listening, and I'm like and he like,
He's like, is that you or me? I said, I
don't know, noamn, because that's how similar our styles and

(01:20:43):
delivery is. You know, that's how much influenced that and
I an impact that he has that had on my career, right,
you know what I mean, Cause it's certain shit that
we don't know the difference between you, like I have
songs with Cube that we don't we don't know the difference.

Speaker 3 (01:21:01):
Wow, who's who? You know?

Speaker 1 (01:21:06):
You can tell in the rap part what you can't
tell in certain areas where you're saying shit like who
is that?

Speaker 3 (01:21:11):
That's you? No, No, that's me, No, that's me. We're
your ghost writing.

Speaker 1 (01:21:17):
Because some people like it's okay then some people like,
I mean cause nobody nobody now I think.

Speaker 3 (01:21:23):
Now who cares? Really? Yeah? Okay?

Speaker 1 (01:21:26):
But back then, yeah, ef see Light said at the best,
he said, whoever wrote your rhymes might as well hold
your microphone.

Speaker 3 (01:21:32):
Damn. But now I don't give a fuck. I'm not
in no more. I don't care, right do you? How
do you get that?

Speaker 1 (01:21:41):
That's like everything has changed, man, They had to know
snitch policy and effect.

Speaker 3 (01:21:46):
Everything has changed. Everybody telling everybody business truth. Yeah, so
now things have changed, bro, so to write the rhyme policy.
Yeah whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:21:59):
Drake moved Houston. You ain't tell him not to come.
Drake don't live in Houston.

Speaker 3 (01:22:03):
He got a place in Houston.

Speaker 1 (01:22:04):
He live in the country. So I want to live
in the country too. Okay, go more than the country
you have. You have more fun out there, but you
have a lot of well n hell no, I know
what you're trying to look, I'm just just show me around.
You show me where I need to live. Face, I'll
show you where you need to live. Okay, But after
that that's it. Nah, I'm not gonna know with you.

(01:22:26):
Faith we feel like, hey, we gonna kick it.

Speaker 3 (01:22:28):
I know you line, we gonna kick it.

Speaker 1 (01:22:37):
I know Drake said UK rappers are better than American rappers.

Speaker 3 (01:22:45):
I don't know a whole lot of UK rappers. I
I you know what, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:22:48):
I don't know any UK rappers, but I don't have
nothing against them in the UK or But just like
me saying Kobe was better than Jordan, Yeah, you know
you had a blueprint to study, right, you know what
I mean? Yeah, Jordan created the blueprint for you to study.
So for for Kobe to be better than him, that's
a possibility, right. You know, if you study the blueprint enough,

(01:23:11):
you probably you you be c excuse me, you become
the blueprint.

Speaker 3 (01:23:13):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:23:15):
So if UK rappers are better than the rappers from
the United States, they had enough to study true, Okay, yeah,
and they had enough time to study it, alright, So
no comment.

Speaker 3 (01:23:27):
I mean, that's that's my comment. If you were to.

Speaker 1 (01:23:30):
Get let's say, you know what, somebody get faced to
come out. Who would you like to get on the
beat with nobody? Can't nobody get you to come out
of retirement. I'm done. I got on cubes. Uh uh
uh uh w uh ego. Yeah, but that's it. That's
that's best you gonna do. Yeah, ICEQ, I can come

(01:23:51):
out for ICEQ. Okay, I did come up with cube, right. Houston?
You got Beyonce, you got Med, you got Travis Scott,
you got Lizzo, you got Bro, you got bun Bee.

Speaker 3 (01:24:04):
Y'ah.

Speaker 1 (01:24:05):
What what's what's the Houston? What what are we missing
about Houston?

Speaker 3 (01:24:10):
Hell? The cat out the bag now? Everybody moving now?

Speaker 1 (01:24:15):
Got room for one bo hell no because you bring company?
So yeah, uh we got some dope ass artists. Man,
you missed, you missing a lot out of out of Houston. Man,
you know you're missing a lot. You got you got

(01:24:36):
uh uh clims of Native Key keys a Native yeah,
Paul Paul yeah, yeah, Little Keky yeah, Kiki yeah, Sauces Walker, Yeah,
Clay Kylie on like you got some he coming out
of Houston, Man, they can't really go. Krino is one
of the guys that came up a little before I did,

(01:24:59):
and I think he's the epitome of what Houston rap
should have been, right, you know I could have been
because he's a lyrical.

Speaker 3 (01:25:10):
Uh giant in it. You know.

Speaker 1 (01:25:12):
Matter of fact, he's on my UH album. I can't
remember the song, but he's on the Emeritus album with
the song of me sliming in Uh Krino, But he's
a he's a pillar in in in in in Houston,
Uh hip hop man.

Speaker 3 (01:25:31):
And it's a few more. But we got some smoke
out there. Man here you do you do? You know?

Speaker 1 (01:25:37):
Do you think people start beats now just to get attention?
Cause I see a lot of people going there somebody
that I like.

Speaker 3 (01:25:43):
I ain't even know they were beefing. When did this happen?

Speaker 1 (01:25:47):
And you're asking about rapping, man, I don't know too
much about it no more. You know, I always started it.

Speaker 3 (01:25:54):
When yah ma, motherfucking wind the clothing, i'm'ara get one,
but n I got de edit. But oh you got
a name?

Speaker 1 (01:26:05):
So do when when when you when you beefing with somebody, man,
somebody actually did something to you back then, Okay, yeah, okay,
you know, and and when you saw each other, you fought,
all right. Perfect example is like uh Ice Cuban w
A when Cbe left the group and Uh they both
were at the New Music sitting or in New York.

Speaker 3 (01:26:27):
They fought all right.

Speaker 1 (01:26:28):
Yeah, So when you gotta when you got a beef, man,
they fight, You fight. You did somebody on record, when
you see him, you gotta be prepared to do whatever
you gotta do.

Speaker 3 (01:26:38):
Yeah, Kanye, Now nowadays they just talking. They're just talking. Yeah,
it's just they rapping. Yeah, Kanye, you you work with Kanye?
I did what what's Kanye you like in the studio
when I was working with man Kanye and Bamon He's
bad bro. Oh you got Kanye Cole Kanye Cole cold. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:26:58):
I think sometimes we forget about that face. Come and
see some of the antics that's got going on now. Yeah,
but you go back and look at college dropper.

Speaker 3 (01:27:05):
Ruh.

Speaker 1 (01:27:06):
No, wait, bruh, bruh. When Kanye Uh would come to
the studio. See, Kanye was a producer man before he
started rapping. Correct, Okay, and he always that's him on
the d I want to guess who's basire is man, Man, Man, Oh,
that's that's uh, that's Kanye.

Speaker 3 (01:27:23):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:27:23):
But Kanye when he back when he was making beach
Man like, he played beats.

Speaker 3 (01:27:33):
For days and days and days and he just sit
there and play me and they'd be like, man, wow.

Speaker 1 (01:27:42):
I got so many beats from Kanye, uh, from the
from the Fixed album and working on other stuff. But
I got a lot of music with Kanye that never
uh that I never put out right. But Kanye was
the the producer, man, and we had that. We had
a a a tight ass producer rapper relationship.

Speaker 3 (01:28:05):
Man. And that was my friend too. Man, that's my
partner right, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:28:10):
And that fork, that fork in the road. You know,
we all started together. I always feel like me and
Jay and and Yay and DMX and IRV, and.

Speaker 3 (01:28:26):
We were all in the office together. We was all
in the office together, and we was leaving. We was riding.

Speaker 1 (01:28:34):
We was riding, and then they went here and I
was like, you know what, I'm finna go home. I
went home, man, And I don't feel bad about going home,
bro right, I don't feel bad about going home because
I don't ever wanna be in the position where I

(01:28:55):
can't enjoy what you had me.

Speaker 3 (01:28:59):
I just wanna enjoy me, bro, you know, enjoy my life,
Enjoy the.

Speaker 1 (01:29:04):
Fruits of my labor, you know, which ain't the whole
lot of shit, but it's mine. And I ain't gotta
have no seventy five traveling with me when I go somewhere,
you know what I mean. I don't have to hide
and ship, man. I don't want to hide. I don't
want to run from nobody, you know. I just want
to wave better and going on by my business. So

(01:29:27):
I don't want to be too famous. Never right. Sampling
worry you on sample? You let somebody sample some of
your stuff? And if they do, do you have to
hear it? I don't care. I don't care about nothing
that got anything to do with this no more. Damn

(01:29:47):
very very bitter about it. Why you're so bitter about it?

Speaker 3 (01:29:51):
I just.

Speaker 1 (01:29:55):
You feel you were wronged. Taking advantage of the music
industry within itself is wrong. Okay, all right? If you
look at I w I would like to compare contracts.
I would like to compare a beastie boy's contract to
a ghetto boy's contract or you know what I mean?
I I'd like to see uh so I'd like to

(01:30:16):
see other genre artists artists.

Speaker 3 (01:30:20):
Yeah, I would like to.

Speaker 1 (01:30:21):
See a a Mazed contract as opposed to a Van
Halen contract. Mm, you know what I mean? Like, I
know it's a big, big uh difference between the pay
skills in those contracts, but yeah it's not.

Speaker 3 (01:30:35):
Nah bruh m hm. So I don't care what they
do with it. What do you know now? You wish
you had known then? I don't. I don't. I don't
want to change nothing about it. You know. I'm right
where I want to be. Really, yeah, I'm not. I don't.
I don't need no whole lot, you know what I mean? Like,

(01:30:57):
I don't need a lot. You paying when I come
to Houston. You're paying.

Speaker 1 (01:31:06):
You're gonna reach in your back pocket, pull out your
I don't know if you maybe you carry a money
clip or something whatever, and you're gonna put that down.

Speaker 3 (01:31:13):
On what you know? I like? You know, I like,
oh you Yeah? No? Bro? Hung up? How I'm gonna
come to Houston and you think I won't pay? Bro,
I'm in Vegas and I ain't even had lunch yet.
And it's it's six o'clock. I haven't even had breakfast.
I'm trying to figure out how that get to be
my fault. I'm doing club Shade Shade we we.

Speaker 1 (01:31:39):
We we you know, tight budget right now, no bushit,
no bus shit. This concludes the first half of my conversation.
Part two is also posted, and you can access it
to whichever podcast platform you just listen to part one on.

(01:32:01):
Just simply go back to club profile and I'll see
you there.

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