November 26, 2025 • 52 mins
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Shannon Sharpe sits down with T-Pain—one of the most influential rappers, era-defining hitmakers, visionary producers, streamers, and trendsetters who changed the course of music. Nearly two decades after “Rapper Turned Singer,” he reflects on his legacy while breaking down his new single, “Club Husband.” T-Pain opens with the lyrics, how the club scene has changed, and what it was like sneaking into clubs at 14, starting as a DJ, and becoming a regular despite his parents hating it. He talks about selling weed to friends, getting in trouble with police after school, and eventually dropping out and being expelled with only eight days of 8th grade left.
T-Pain explains why “stealing dudes’ girls” has always existed in clubs, sharing a wild story from London where he stole a girl, confronted a man named Tiny—three times bigger than Shannon—and ended up throwing money that led to a fight. He jokes that a man can even find a husband in the club as he and Shannon debate the best ways to meet women. T-Pain opens up about meeting his wife, proposing after three months, and still having the first video of them together.
He breaks down “Club Husband,” “Buy You a Drink,” and the etiquette of buying women drinks as he and Shannon go back and forth about helping people. T-Pain reveals how he had to pay Lil Scrappy and Lil Jon for “Buy You a Drink”, and why he hates that “Club Husband” blew up on TikTok, and how someone stole an unreleased version from his stream and tried to profit from it. They discuss Drea Michelle, Draylen Green, the new generation discovering T-Pain, and the 20th anniversary of the rapper-singer era.
T-Pain reflects on industry lessons—how “no one is your brother,” getting regifted client gifts, artists wanting him on features but not in videos. He explains why he sold his catalog, how HarbourView Equity Partners partnered with him, and how he reinvested: a 50-square building for his company, a plane, and simple black shirts for his wife. He admits mistakes from early fame, like buying a Bugatti and a chain before losing his house, investing in bad ideas, and being robbed by people around him—lessons that made him obsessive about his finances.
He shares memories of inventing pre-sagged pants with his grandfather. Explaining why he creates all his music on Twitch, and why he embraced Auto-Tune like Roger Troutman before proving he could really sing through covers. T-Pain reveals dream collaborations like André 3000, why he’d never do the Super Bowl halftime show, and how he learned to stop craving recognition for songs he wrote. He talks about still doing T-Mixes, almost canceling The Masked Singer three days before filming, and performing blind every night because he couldn’t see in the costume.
In the end, T-Pain says his proudest accomplishment isn’t awards or hits—it’s that his wife loves him, and his kids don’t hate him. Everything he does includes them, and that’s what matters most.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Thank you for your coming back. Part two is underway.
How about this, Is it true you didn't make any
money from buy you a drink?
Speaker 2 (00:09):
I made some money from buy your drink, Buy your drenk.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
You made some money, but not the money you should
have made or could have made.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Some money because I was paying homage, okay, and I
thought that paying homage would have been cool, which it
was at first. So when I did I'm gonna buy
you a drink, then I'm gonna think you home with me.
I got money in the bank. As soon as I
said money in the bank. That's when Little Scrappy came in.
It was like, okay, well he said, allowing from my
(00:38):
song because he Little Scrappy had the song at the time.
I got money in the bank, shorty, What you think
I got money in the bank. Yeah, and as what
you think about that, I'll be in the drink. I
like we in the bed. So at the beginning of
the song, when I said, snappy fingers your stead, yeah
you can do it all. Then Little John came in, Well,
(01:00):
since this song is doing well, I don't mind ever
it do your head? Asked so you know? No, it
was it was one of them things that was like
I thought I was paying homage and then the people
that could take advantage of it, they take advantage of it.
But the thing was they took advantage of the publishing
and the master of it. So while they were making
(01:24):
eight cents every three months, I was making one hundred
grand a night off of performing it. Like I'm like, okay,
whatever you want, be greedy, but you're not gonna get
what I'm doing. So do you think I mean, it
still loves all to all of them. And I don't
think it was them either. I don't think it was
a little scrappy doing it, and I don't think it
(01:44):
was a little job doing it. I just lived there
publishing companies that were coming from the stuff and little
job probably still don't know that we went through that
whole other thing. So you know, it was a it
was a moment in life that I was like, oh
so just thank my brothers, like everybody that didn't call
me their brothers and everybody and say it all this.
(02:06):
Maybe it's not but I understand now as a grown
up that maybe it wasn't them. And you know, nobody's
ever said anything to me. I've seen scrappy numerous times.
I've seen Little John a thousand times, and everybody's like,
everybody up.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Like, was that a very hard lesson for you to learn?
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Not No, not really, Oh it was. It was only
a lesson for me to learn to where I was like, oh,
they're not taking all the money from this record. They're
taking the publishing and the masters from it. But I'm
always gonna make money from doing that record, right, you know.
And there's nothing that anybody can do to stop me
(02:48):
from making the auxiliary money from their record. So it's
not gonna be a it's not going to be a
publishing or a master's thing. When I performed that song,
you can't take any of that, right, you know what
I'm saying. And you don't know how you know. Not
only do you not know how much I'm charging for
that song, but I mean, if you knew how much
(03:10):
I was how much I was getting off of that
song twenty years after you tried to take the money
from it, are you ship out of your deck?
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Club? Husband? It blew up on TikTok. But it's three.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
It's it's been so long, it's been a while you
released that's two.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Three?
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Yes, Yeah, I mean, were you surprised, Like, damn, hold on,
I released this song two three years ago and I
was blowing up.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
I hated it.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
You hate it, I hate it.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
I hate that was the worst. Oh my god. Can
you imagine, bro? Can you imagine, like trying to put
it in terms that you can you can understand. Can
you imagine the chick so hard?
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Damn give it sports turn?
Speaker 2 (04:01):
What about if I'm going I'm sports enough to know
that I know imagine it checks so hard and you
put all your you put all your hip into it,
all both replacements, you put you, you put you, you
put everything into it. And she was just like, all right,
(04:23):
good stuff, see you see you next time. And then
she don't call you back. And then two years later
you hear from somebody else, Now, hey reb not chicken
like three years but you said that was the best
time she ever had. It's one of those.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
It's one of those. Yeah, yeah, that hurt. That hurts.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Why don't you say it? Yes? Why didn't you say it?
You you should have said that, being you know much
power I'll put into that and into and to making
sure you had a good time, and say nothing. And
now you want to you want to have the good time. Hey,
by the way, she s asked you, wanna she want
to get back up with you and do it do
it all again?
Speaker 1 (04:59):
No, No, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
So you know?
Speaker 1 (05:06):
So is that a new way? Is that a new way?
Speaker 3 (05:08):
Because I see a lot of times songs are becoming
properly on TikTok before they become popular main street.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Is that is that kind of hoghest thing going? Plain?
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Oh not, man, It takes so much time to make
these songs and do all this stuff and actually put
time into work into this ship. And then if somebody
just posted on TikTok and get more famous, then because
keep in mind, the reason that it got famous on
TikTok was because I was making it on my strength, right,
(05:37):
But I was playing the a cappella in order to
make a dove step version of it because I gave
up on trying to release the regular version. You know
what I'm saying. So when I gave up on making
the regular version of thing, that's when it popped. And
it wasn't like a it was it wasn't like an
(05:59):
extended version or anything like that. And then and then
and then, oh my god, then the person that leaked,
it came on my stream weeks later and was like, Hey,
you need to put me on your team because apparently
I'm really good at reviving your career and I can
(06:21):
make you money.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
That man said that on your stream.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
This nigga said, Hey, I stole your shit and made
money off of it, so you need to give me money.
Now what? So now, hey, I'm really good at knowing
when you need to be good at stuff. So I
just steal the content that you're doing and I'll put
that content out and that's gonna make me money. So
(06:45):
you need to give me money for doing that? Wow?
Speaker 1 (06:48):
What the popping?
Speaker 2 (06:51):
All that sauce into it? And then she don't say nothing?
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Can we get spoils? You don't know anything about sports?
Speaker 2 (06:57):
I know I love it. I rather do I'd rather
do the rather do therd?
Speaker 3 (07:11):
How does it feel to you because there's this young
chopping skewerd dre Michelle did a I think she did
a uh a fee much?
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Yeah, because Jayalen Green thought it was a new song.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Right yeah, But but obviously when you make that song,
he probably was a couple of months sold. So you
gotta you must understand. But now you got a new
generation that's discovering.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Exactly now, imagine, yes, pumping all that sauce into it,
that berd.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
I did catch a bunch of touchdown. I caught a
bunch of touchdown. I've caught a bunch of points in
high school basketball.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
No, it was the one video that No, you did
nothing else your whole beginning of your life. Tell you
it's just the one video.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
That's it. Now, imagine all that ship you did, all them,
all them pants, all that ship. But it's just like
oh channing from the from the video.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Yeah, that's how you know. Unfortunately, some people does it. Yeah,
you see what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
They ain't talking about starning with the pants. Yeah okay, yeah, no, no,
I know, I know he's talking about nothing. Nope, nothing nothing,
not the whole career, nope, just the pants.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
You know.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
It's the twenty years, the twentieth, the twentieth anniversary. Yeah yeah,
rapper turn single. Oh my god, what have you learned
about this business in twenty years?
Speaker 2 (08:47):
And nobody is your brother? Nobody on paint.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
Don't don't do that, nobody paint cause I hear it,
I hear it all the time.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
That's my brother. I hear it, pain un seen so
many dicks in that locker room. None of them is
your brother. Nobody is your brother. Everybody is your brother.
While they can use you, everybody everybody is your brother. Wow,
they can use you. Nobody is your brother. That is
(09:18):
the quickest and the most consistent thing that I've learned
through this whole thing.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
You had to learn that the hard way.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Everybody that everybody, and and you know what, it's only
that say you my brother that I'm telling.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
Just like that now, Yeah, because you wouldn't allow you
wouldn't allow somebody that didn't say that to get close
to you.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
You would so you would. I'd rather you tell me
what the business was and not have the brother aspects
in there, and just say, hey, look here's what I
wanna do. Here's what we're gonna do. We're gonna do
a hook, We're gonna I'm gonna put a verse on
this ship. We're gonna make a bunch of money. Uh,
we're gonna separate for a little bit, and I'm gonna
come back when I need you again. Let's do it again.
(10:05):
But I'd rather know the plan than to say you
my brother, You my brother, you my brother, No brother,
We always gonna be together. We ain't gonna never we
ain't gonna never separate. Anytime you need me, I'm here
for you anytime you need me. Bam, bam bam. But
but nah, bro, it's the brother ship. Nobody is your brother.
I've had DJ kelled everybody then told me I'm your brother.
(10:32):
Do not believe that ship lord, that is the that
is they.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
You know, you're gonna get me in trouble, man.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
You're gonna get us in I'm gonna get us in
trouble all that. But I mean, but but no, I
mean when I say when I say, when I say
ship like DJ Caller, that it's very apparent like DJ
Kellen knows how to move, he knows how to you know,
things with different people and ship like that. But it's
like it's not just it's not it's not a DJ
(11:01):
type of thing. That's just the first person I can
think of. But we're talking about so many people because
you got to think of how many people I've helped
throughout their career. Everybody is like, oh my god, thank
you so much. You're my brother. And it's just so
much of that back to back back to back, back
to back, you're my brother, you're my brother. You're my brother,
You're my brother. And then none of that shit was reciprocated.
(11:23):
None of that shit came back. None of that shit
meant anything. When people start when people tell you how
much you mean to them, don't grab on to that.
(11:46):
When people tell you how much they can mean to
you in return, that's the shit you gravitate towards. Damn.
When when there's people on your team and sometimes like
(12:09):
I like, I love telling people that they're about to
get a raise, you know what I mean? So I
love I love going to my team and like, hey,
I'm about to get your raise. And when somebody says
thank you, man, I appreciate it. Yeah, it's like it's
probably gonna be your last race. But when I go
to somebody and I say, yo, you're about to get
(12:30):
a raise, and they say, can I is there something
like I do more work? Like can I is there?
Can you like also raise like my responsibilities or something? Them?
The people you keep you feel what I'm saying them,
The people you keep around you know, and and when
(12:50):
you when you do something so astronomical as to building
somebody's career and they just say, yo, you're my brother
bro By Gang. Never gonna see you again. But and
then it's like when you do something astronomical, like, bro
you built my career up. There has to be something
(13:11):
I can do right. That's the people you keep around
with you.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
Have you heard the story about the lady and the python.
This lady had a ten foot python and the python
stop eating. Month goes by, two months, goes by. He
wouldn't sleep in his pin. It wouldn't sleep in it pin.
It's only one to sleep next to her. Two months,
but it wouldn't eat. She takes it to the ved.
She said, I don't know what's wrong. I don't know
(13:36):
what's wrong with the snake. It won't eat anymore. He said,
wait a minute, how long has it been? How long
has it not eaten? Like two three like two three months?
Say does it want to just sleep next to you? Say,
it's nothing wrong with the snake. So that snake is
sizing you up. It's gonna eat you. It's just getting
close to you to let you let you make you
let your guard down. You see what happened absolutely and
(14:00):
there let your guard down. This is my brother patting
you in the back all the while.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
All the time, and I just you know, there there
have been times where I've not been like a great
friend to people and shit like that. But I didn't like,
I had no idea. I thought I was doing everything
that all the artists were supposed to be doing like that,
you know, uh, you know when I'm getting gifts from
and then come to find out it's just like all
(14:25):
the ship they got from the from the Grammy gift
room and ship like you just go through the line.
It's just like, oh you gotta watch. Yeah, nigga, I
got your watch.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
You didn't by somebody gifted you that somebody regifted exactly.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
So you know, it's a little bit like that man,
And and it's you know again, it's.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
W How do you move? How do you move?
Speaker 3 (14:47):
Someone says you're your brother and you see you come
to find out that they're moving funny, they moving sideways.
How do you remove yourself without making it so obvious
that you've removed?
Speaker 2 (14:57):
You make it obvious, You make it make it very
very very good. You make it very obvious because it's.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Like, so you wanted to know that you don't f
with them no more.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Yeah, you have to and that's the only way you're
gonna remove it, because if you lead them on, they're
gonna keep calling it like, hey, you available this week? No, no,
I'm not. I'm not available this week. And you wait,
did you think you think it was gonna start working again?
I mean you my brother?
Speaker 1 (15:27):
No not, No, I'm no.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
So it's like, you know, things like that, you have to.
I've learned as I've grown up and as I've come
to you know, because like when you started hitting in
your forties, you start losing a lot of friends. And
it's not because of you becoming you know, anti social
(15:51):
or anything like that. Is because it's like, oh, can
we agree that we've never really been friends, right, we
can be grown up about this, that we've never really
been friends at all.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Like we other than be an artist, we really have
nothing in common.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
That's it. And it's just like now that we're bro
we're both in our ford nothing to.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Like you at the age now paying you get to
choose your friends. It's not like we had a elementary school,
junior high high school.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
We can both agree that we have nothing in common
and none of us are are are has has an
advantage from us saying that we're friends at all.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
We don't.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
There's no like nothing, there's no me featuring you that's
gonna rock the airwaves. Like we're good. We can just
stop saying that we cool. Right Oh yeah, let's see, Okay,
let's stop doing it, you know, like, uh man, there
was so many there's so many people. There were people
when I was doing, like when I was like heavy
(16:51):
in features.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Yeah, oh you you the feature king?
Speaker 2 (16:54):
You you feature king. People started me doing features. There
were bigger artists that were like, I don't want to
be like in the video with him, Like I know
he's like you need him as a feature, but can
we not have him in the video with me at
the same time? What Like, there were so so hold on,
(17:14):
So that happened so many times.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
You don't you want me on the feature, but you
don't want me in the video?
Speaker 2 (17:20):
You just in case the thing that I was doing
was a gimmick and they can separate themselves from me
later on, which was which intern what's smart? Which the
term was smart, but it didn't work out their way.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Now they try to circle back.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
I mean, now I'm here with you. Yeah, So it
turned into a it turned into a safety net. That
ended up being a mosquito net. You know what I'm saying.
It kept them from sucking my blood, you know what
(17:58):
I'm saying. And I saw from the big again in
that nobody needed to be around me anyways. And I'm
totally fine with that. And the thing is that most
of these make their identities kind of reliant on being
around a bunch of money. I make my identity on
(18:19):
it's just me and my wife. Yeah, and here you go.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
After after she see this, I don't know, somebody say it.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
She by twenty two years. I know y'all been together
twenty two years. Yeah, she hollered at me. First, she's
she say you with, She say to you with the one?
Speaker 2 (18:39):
She bought it, and she bought into it.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Hey, let me ask you what made you sell your catalog?
Speaker 2 (18:44):
What made me sell my catalog? The the amount of
money that they gave me for my catalog, It literally
would have took me one hundred years to make that money.
I calculated it, and I was like, why would I
sell y'all this? Why would I say? And and they like, look,
(19:05):
here's how much you're making per year off of this.
We're gonna give you one hundred years worth of money
right here, all at once. Okay, why would you?
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Yeah, I didn't think that was did you.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Did you discuss it with wife and you like, hey,
check this out.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
This company came to me, this venture capitalist or just
recording whatever discussed? She said, why you asked me that question?
You know, damn well you're supposed to say yes on
the spot. I said, hey, babe, okay, you come in.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
It's a babe. Check this out. I gotta I got
a deal. I don't know. I might can refuse it.
I might not.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
But to the kids today, kids going to school.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Yeah, she said.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Yeah. I was like, did you you know everybody get like,
I gotta talk to you about something that's real important
about our future. Okay then like okay, cool yeah, cool ship.
Like can I close the door because I don't want,
you know, I want the rest of it, Like what's
(20:10):
going on? Like just just tell me? So I closed
the door.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Clo we're rich?
Speaker 4 (20:18):
Where where were a hundred million dollars?
Speaker 2 (20:29):
You know who? Baby baby mo xucker Bird just invited
us to us.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
But we're rich.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
We so so so he tell it, you said, baby,
we rich beyond rich. I mean whatever you thought about
when we got together, my career was taking off. Whatever
you thought I was gonna be.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
Here's the here's what what made us beyond Here's what
the we we rich beyond rich. So Harborview, the people
I sold my catalog to, they didn't just say we
want your catalog. They said we'll buy your catalog. But also,
(21:12):
if you make another hit, we want that too. If
you make more songs, we want them to. If you
make a hit TV series, we want that too, Dale.
If you make a football league that just nobody even
thought of that, we want that too. If you if
we are scoring movies, if you score a movie, we
want that too.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
So it's not just at So basically, whatever you do
that you can possibly monetize that got.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
It's not at just what they got, so I can
I sold them what I sold them. But also if
I if I say this one's doing pretty good too,
they like.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
We want that too.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Here's another Dale, you know what I'm saying. So it's
a partnership. Now it's not. And that's a That's the
thing that Harbor Review does. Like when they go in,
when they go in with somebody, they don't go in
like give us your shit. You're are Michael Jackson. It's like,
(22:09):
we look, we want to go into a partnership with you.
So if you decide, if I decide that Club Husband
is doing good enough, how much y'all give you for
the club bus? Now you can put it anywhere you
want to. Now you can put it on movies and
you can make the rest of the money off it.
But the money it would have taken me one hundred
years to make off a club USand you get that
even if it's twenty x, that's twenty years the money
(22:33):
it would take me to the time it would take
me to make twenty years worth their money off of
Club Husband. I can get a twenty x from them
the time it would take me to just sell a
beat or dubstep. I if I make an intro to
your show and they say we want to writes to that,
(22:54):
take it. How much money is Sanny Sharp's show gonna
make for the next twenty years? How much steak do
I have or not from the intro boom? Give me
that money?
Speaker 3 (23:06):
So it's it's it was. In other words, it was
a no brainer. What was the first Okay, you got
this money? You wealthy Bey all you even when you
dreamed at night. And my brother just tell us all
to tell me all the time. You say, a dream?
Is this gift you give to yourself? So you dreaming
at night?
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Right?
Speaker 1 (23:22):
What the first thing you bought? What you when you
got this money?
Speaker 2 (23:24):
You let?
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Baby? What you want? Baby? Whatever you want?
Speaker 2 (23:28):
Dinny's house? It's not is that? Is that?
Speaker 1 (23:36):
No?
Speaker 3 (23:36):
No?
Speaker 2 (23:36):
No? So about about a fifty thousand square foot building
for all my businesses?
Speaker 3 (23:43):
Okay, okay, so I was fifty thousand square foot. I
thought you were about to see a house, I said you.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
No, no, no, no, fifty thousand square foot building for
all my businesses?
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (23:58):
About a plane? A plane?
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Oh, big bowler?
Speaker 2 (24:06):
What the what? What in God's name? What you do
with that money? Get two lawnmowers?
Speaker 3 (24:17):
I would I probably would buy time shares in a plane.
I don't know if I would want time.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Yeah, I would abruptly buy two lawnmowers in a ferrari.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
So so what what what did? What did she you? Okay,
just what you bought? You bought a building, you bought
a plane. What does she want for herself?
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Some black shirts? This? My wife is the best bro like.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
She don't want anything.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
I'd be literally trying to buy her ship and.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
She seems so down to earth.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
You don't I don't know. I don't know. I don't
know if she's down to.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
Earth or would you die there? You been with you
see the nigga she picked?
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Like, yes, yes, yeah, I wasn't a smart choice. Good job,
you know what I'm saying. I'd be trying to buy
her shit all the time. I'm about her trucks and
she's like a truck. Trucks like trucks, and she's like,
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all right, let's cool. It's like, I'm just gonna ride
with you everywhere you go. I'm not gonna drive them,
Like okay, thank you, but so truck, thank you.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
You started off DJ and at the age of fourteen,
probably making what fifty hundred dollars a night DJ in
two hundred money?
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Was getting paid?
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Oh you doing it for free?
Speaker 5 (25:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (25:46):
I was carrying crates, okay, at fourteen fifteen, I was
carrying crates because keep in mind, I couldn't go into
clubs unless I had a job. So I was carrying
crates for DJs, and I was hearing the reason that
I can make the songs the way that I make
is because I was hearing the songs that DJ's were
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playing from the crazy that I was carrying, right, and
I was like, man, people really like these parts of songs.
What the it is making people go so crazy? Okay?
So every night I would literally write down, like, all right,
the high hats gone from this song. All right, they
like this part. Okay, there's no kick on this part.
(26:29):
All right, well he just said something real wow on
this part, I don't know what like. And so I
like started studying why people like parts of songs that
they like, and then I went back in my career
when I was like, I think I'm gonna try to
make a song and I'm gonna incorporate all these things
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that people have seemingly been liking from these things that
I've been so kind of just like, yeah, it's making
a song from a DJ's respective is because.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
You know what hit? You know what's like you said,
you I know it.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Hit, I know it hits? I know what what like?
Speaker 5 (27:13):
You know?
Speaker 2 (27:14):
And eight A weight hits on this part and people
love that shit there's no eight weight on this part,
and people screaming and ship at the top of their lungs.
There's no, there's no high had on this part, there's
no snail on this party. Boom and boom. So I
started incorporating those things into my songs and it's like,
I think I know how to make a song.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Yeah, I tried one and boom.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
Yeah, just happened.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
Because early earlier your career, you bought a Bugatti one
point seven million. You bought a chain four hundred thousand,
said big gass chain. Now you've got a little lass chain.
Now you say, hey, Frankachard, men from t Move, let.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
Me Jayson, let me tell you something. When I bought that,
that was the last bit of my money. And I
had no idea. I had no idea.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
You didn't know that was your last bit of your
money or you had no idea that.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
I had no idea that was the last bit of
my money. When I bought that Bugatti, I demanded that
my accountants send the money for their Bugatti. And when
I got it, they were like, hey, so we may
have to sell your house. I'm like, you talking about
I have a Bugatti. They were like, yeah, that was
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what we were going to use to pay for the
rest of your house. And I'm like, my house is
paid for They're like, uh, not anymore. So we had
to take out something for your thing. And then we
bought the Bugatti, so they knew Bugatti disappeared and shit
like that. But it was never like, uh, I was
never secure because I never knew what the hell was
(28:54):
going on with my finances. I mean, now, very very
very very close to my finances and I know every
dollar that goes out. Like I'm telling you, if somebody
tries to send four dollars from one of my accounts,
I get an alert on my phone, you know what
I mean. Like, I stay very close to my finances
and shit like that. But back then, I had no
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idea what was happening. I had no idea. I had
so much money that it was just like why would
I care. I don't care who steals from me. I
should still have enough, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
But that's what was happening. People were actually actually they.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Were actually stilling. But also I was investing in weird stuff.
My uh my granddad said he had a and it
sounds stupid now. My granddad said he had an idea.
We're gonna sell.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
With here. You sell it, you know how, you know
how to.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Sag their drawers all the time. We're gonna sell pants
with the drawers already said, you're gonna sell pants with
the drawers hanging out of them. And then the waist
band of the draws is the actual waistband of the pants. Absolutely,
(30:19):
how much money you need? That shit sounds amazing? You know?
It spent one hundred thousand dollars on that. I didn't
have it, but I gave it to him. Guess what,
you can pull it up right now? Balenciaga is literally
selling pants with draws hanging out the.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
We got we copyright? Do you got a pat in hell?
Speaker 2 (30:42):
No? Man, he never did it. He never made him,
He never did it. Damn. But I was supposed I
was supposed to just know that that was gonna happen.
But right now, I swear to god, Balenciaga is selling
pants with draws as research department. We have a yeah, yeah,
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put it out now.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Now you're on Twitch?
Speaker 2 (31:12):
Oh boy?
Speaker 3 (31:13):
So, hey bro, are you more active on Twitch than
making music?
Speaker 1 (31:18):
I mean, oh so, so, how how does twitch?
Speaker 2 (31:20):
I'm making music on Twitch. I'm making all my music on.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
Twitch so people can see it in real time, in
real time.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
I'm literally everything that I do now every single that
I release, everything that happens right now, I can you
can clock it from me making the first sound to
putting it out, like all the way from me making
the first sound of the beat, making the whole beat,
recording the vocals, and then putting it out. I can
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show you the entire process on Twitch and it's and
it's been not only a liberating thing for me, but
it's turned into an eye opener to the viewers for
other artists because they're like, y'all ain't doing this, y'all
ain't doing the process like pain, you know what I'm saying.
(32:09):
So it's it's it's not a it's not a flex,
but it's like if your favorite artists ain't doing the
whole process, then y'all watching this bar you know what
I'm saying. Yeah, so it's a it's turned into uh,
I'll look. You can see you can literally watch this
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song develop from the first sound of the beat to
the release of the song, and that that can't there's
no other place that you can watch that happen within
a week span, you know what I'm saying. So within
seven days you can see this thing happen. I will
stream every part of me making this and I have
(32:53):
I have like a a two step process, like I
got a drunk tea paint and sober tea paint, so
drunk ta pain are coming and it started to make
the song and ship like that, and then sober tea
painter come in the next day and like what does
do last night? Because I don't remember none of that ship?
And then I fix it and then I finish it
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to where the song can come out. So it's like
you get these different aspects of how my how my
process works. And there's there's like come to my house
and like, I don't want people to see me recording
my verse and it's like you don't even want, Like
damn ro We're just we're just writing verses and just recording.
They're like, nah, I don't want I'm showing you start.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
Everything.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
I just I have to because I don't have. And
a big part of it is I don't have a
hidden aspect to my process because a lot of that
come up comes to the crib. They're like they got
these other writers or they got these other producers, and
they got people, they got the secrets that come in
on the side and do all this ext shit. I'm like, bro,
(34:02):
it's been it's literally me in the studio.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
What they see on Twitch is what it actually happens.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Exactly what it is. It's me in the studio by
myself the whole time doing the ship. And you know,
sometimes my wife would come in, she'll write the ship
with me. But you know my kids will come in there,
write ship with me. But it's like, it ain't no secrets,
it ain't no extra writers coming in, ain't no extra
coming off the street, shit like that, Like it ain't
never gonna be that, you know what I'm saying. So,
(34:28):
I mean, that's that's that's my favorite part of the ship.
My the fun part is getting drunk and shit one night,
coming in the next morning and still streaming like let
me see what this did. But me so so I'm like,
let me see what he did. And I hear it.
I'm like, oh shit, that nigga had a little idea
(34:50):
last night. See what's going on? And then I and
then I finished that idea and then the song actually
comes out. But it's but you can see that it's
me the entire time. So it's uh, it's not only liberating, man,
it actually shows people that not everything is fake. You
know everything you know. I don't know how you feel.
(35:13):
But ever since, like Milli van Ellie, everybody has been
like everything, especially not with AI. Everything's fake. Especially not
with AI. Everything's fake. AI, everything's fake. This nigga ain't
do that. I don't believe it. Even if I see
you do it, I don't believe it. It's not It's
not a real thing, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (35:31):
So a couple of years ago, Pain, we had you
on Nightcap and I asked, I said, I say, Pain,
with your voice, you can really really.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
Ef and sing.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
I don't know if there's a rapper dead or alive
that can match vocals with you.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
I see why you use auto tunes.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
It literally just set me apart. It was just something
that set me apart. You know, there's not a lot
of people in this world that have heard Roger Troupman's
actual singing.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
For he the first.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Sing that boy I can sing as ass all. But
he did that to set himself apart, because if you
just gonna sing, just gonna be another singer, Like, why
why put yourself in that category when you have the
opportunity to set your separate part from everybody. And you
know it comes with this, it comes with its uh stipulations,
(36:29):
and it comes with its uh.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
Won't you do a pivot? Won't you do? Okay?
Speaker 2 (36:33):
I did.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
You'll have to know. I'm about now really right now.
Like Beyonce, Beyonce had a genre. She said, you know
what country, what I'm gonna do and put an album out. Okay,
you wrap not do it?
Speaker 1 (36:43):
R and B.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Well, let's keep in mind that country has always been
a part of Beyonce's repertoire. Okay, you know what I'm saying.
Like Beyonce has always been able to do country. You know,
all her harmonies and all the things that Destiny his
child did things like that. That's always been country music.
That's always been blues. Uh and and country music came
(37:05):
from blues, and blues came from country. And you know,
everybody can uh you know, have have their allegations about that,
but this has always been a thing. It's about tempo,
it's about rhythmic vocals and things like that that made
it quote unquote country. But it's always been that, and
(37:25):
that's something that we are always able to do. Uh.
Rhythm and blues, Yes, is what R and B is, Yes,
bluesy blues is country. Country is like we've we've always
been in this space. Bump, my mama done told me
bye bye Bamp, sab bamp, sab bada bad badam badah
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bah baye bye bye bye bye bye bye bye bye.
Brim Prim prim Prim. We call that blues. But that's
where country came from. So we can do that. That's
always been ours, you know what I mean I'm saying.
So we just kind of went back to our roots
on that, and Beyonce, Beyonce was always the queen of that.
So it's never gonna be a thing to where it's
(38:09):
like a pivot for us. It's just just kind of
doing what we were already doing, you know what I mean.
Like when I did on Top of the Covers, when
I did my cover album and I was singing, singing, singing, Oh.
Speaker 3 (38:24):
Yeah, yeah, you did people really know you could sing
like that before they heard you do all the covers.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
Not at all, Not at all, I don't think. So
there was a core audience that had a suspicion, but
I never like really felt like I needed to prove anything.
So when I when I went into that, when I
went into that on top of the covers and I
did the Uh. When I did the sun Rose in
La it was kind of a it was I didn't
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prove a point.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
But it was just like a see, like no I
can really sing.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
It was like a right, like you know what I'm saying.
It was kind of a like that, but it wasn't
like I'm here to prove a point kind of thing.
And it's like, let's get together for a night of
good vibes and I'm gonna do the thing that we
all know that we're gonna do. And then we sold
out three nights in two minutes.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
Wow, you know what I mean? So is that something
you're looking to do again?
Speaker 2 (39:19):
I do want to do a part two of it.
I do want to do a part two of it.
And I'm about to start taking a poll online of
like what songs I should do because I don't want
to pick them.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
And you want the audience to pick them.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
Yeah, because the first the first version of it was
songs that meant a lot to my heart, and now
I want to know what people think that I should
be kind of, you know, kind of taking a stab.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
At who who haven't you worked with that you would
like to do something.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
With hundred three thousand.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
Good luck with that one.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
Yeah, you would literally learn how to play or would win.
I bought a flute and I bought a saxophone from TMU.
I almost got it. I almost got it.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
If if if Jay came to you and said a
bro halftime show.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
No, that's too much pressure. It's too much pressure. That's
a that's because you gotta think. Now, it's a great honor. Yes,
it would be an amazing honor. But you gotta think
about me trying to squeeze twenty years of absolute hit
records in fifteen minutes. I can't do it. I'm just
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I'm just not. I'm not gonna be the one that'd be.
Remember when just when Justin Timerlake did it, Yeah, and
that whole fifteen minutes was like, oh shit, I forgot
about that.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
Oh shit, what that was his?
Speaker 2 (40:50):
Oh god, damn par Real got ship. Just yeah, I
don't want that. I don't want the I don't want
the head snatch of Damn I forgot he did all
that shit. Just let me live that out. Also, I
don't know own that shit anymore. So just no, I
(41:11):
sold it, son't have it.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
You know what I mean. You also, we're gonna get
you out here a few more.
Speaker 3 (41:16):
You said that you stopped you write songs, but we
were writing songs for people that their fan base didn't
know you were actually writing and was getting upset.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
You say, you know what, just go and give me
a break. All y'all got to put you on their ape. Yeah,
I had to.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
I had to learn how to stop wanting to be
in front of the camera. I had to learn how
to get the hell behind the camera and just all right, Yeah,
I don't have to like me, but I did help
your favorite artist. I did write this country song. I
did write this ship. But you know, there was a
time where people would look at those those booklets when
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you get an album, Yes, snatched that thing out to
see the cover. Who you look at those things and
they don't. They don't have those anymore. So I had
to learn to be like, I don't need that credit.
I don't need you to know it's obviously there. But
I don't need everybody to have that knowledge. My family's
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taken care of. My wife still love it, my kids
don't hate me. We good. I don't need anybody else
to know exactly what I'm doing all the time.
Speaker 3 (42:32):
And that's you know, that's the thing that we all
got to any more free boots, any more free beats
hooks features.
Speaker 2 (42:39):
All the time? You still all the time, all the
time free beats hooks features. I still do what we
call tea mixes. T mix is always free because it
has to be a song that I really really really
really like. And that's how you get a free te
pain feature. You make a song that I really like,
(43:02):
I'll do a verse to it and just put it
out and you can do whatever you want to it.
Speaker 1 (43:05):
It's not like a.
Speaker 2 (43:08):
You know, it's not like a premeditated thing. You don't
know what's happening things like that. I'm doing a folded remix. Yeah,
the folded T mixes. I mean, Kline's always been She's
already asking me to do something on her album. But
I'm like, I was already.
Speaker 1 (43:26):
Doing it, right, you know.
Speaker 2 (43:28):
But she was like, oh yeah, just do that then,
okay cool. You know, she had another song ready for
me and I can. I can still do that song.
But I was like, hey, I'm about to do it folded.
I just want to let you know as soon as
I get off this as soon as I get off
this road and as soon as I know it, exactly
what I'm about to do for the next two weeks.
(43:49):
I got you. I'm about to do that folded remix,
but also I'm gonna do the thing that you asked me.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
To do, the Mad Singer. How did you? How did
they get how did they get you to do that?
And how do you? How do you sing that? Damn
big ass copstudent.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
I gotta tell you man, I tried to cancel the
Band Singer three days before I started it. Yeah, No,
it was bad. It was bad because when I when
I actually got a hold, like a mental hold of
what it was, I was like, oh, this is stupid
as hell.
Speaker 1 (44:19):
I don't want to do this.
Speaker 2 (44:27):
And then I was like, yo, I'm good on this.
I don't want to do this anymore. And they're like
what what what? What's wrong? And I was like, you're
telling me. If they can figure out who's in the costume,
then they lose. I'm gonna lose immediately. Everybody knows exactly
what my voice sounds like. I don't know what it
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sounds like, but apparently I'm a mix between See Lord
and Robins Thick. I don't know how that worked, but
so's I'm like, if anybody can hear my voice, then
I lose. They're like, no, if they figure out who
you are but they can't prove it, then you can
(45:07):
keep going. And I'm like, oh, I get it. Can
I drink? And they were like, yes, you can drink.
I'm like okay, I'm okay, I can do it. I mean,
and I don't know, you can probably pull it up now.
But every night that I performed in that costume, I
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had to wear the pants. I was the only person
that had pants, and then the rest of my costume
would just engulf my body. Everybody else was an actual
mask and just clothes, you know what I mean. So
it was like I was the only person. I was
wearing an actual costume the entire time. So every night
(45:53):
you can see the eye fog up and I couldn't
see shit. So every night I was performing blow and
I couldn't see shit. That one, that one last night
that actually won me the whole thing. I had a
microphone in my hand. I had a microphone in my
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actual hand outside of the costume, and they wanted me
to put the microphone up to the mouth of the thing.
And I'm like, I can't do that. I actually need
I need somehow, so maybe I have a fake hand
outside and then I have a mic in here because
I'm about to perform Stay with Me by Sam Smith.
(46:34):
And they're like, we we.
Speaker 5 (46:36):
Can't do that.
Speaker 2 (46:36):
That's gonna look stupid as hell. You're gonna have a
just a just an arm out here with a microphone
in it. And I'm like, okay, well, what's the best
I could do? And like, we can put a microphone
in your hand on a half a stand, put it
up to your mouth, but we can also have a
microphone right here on your face.
Speaker 1 (46:56):
The Madonna mike.
Speaker 2 (46:59):
Like too much for that, and they're like, well, you
got to control your breathe and that's the only way
we can do it. And that that is literally what
won me the whole thing, because I was like, I'll
hold my breath in between these lines in order to
get this right. And I literally was holding my breath
(47:20):
that whole night because you can hear me, like in
between the ship because I was so hot in there. Yes,
and I had fans in there in the in the
in the costume, but you can hear the fans in
the mic so they had to cut them off in
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order for the mic to be clean and on my face,
and they taped it to my side burns and my lips,
and I'm like, okay, y'all are gonna make me lose
this thing. And I was just like, you know what,
I'm just locking there we go. And then I just
sang it without taking a breath for that whole take.
(48:02):
That that's what won me, the whole thing. I didn't
take one breath that whole time. I was so scared.
I didn't take one breath that entire time that I
was singing.
Speaker 1 (48:10):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (48:12):
I'm gonna get you out of here on this. What
is t pay most proud of? What is your grandest accomplishment?
Speaker 2 (48:21):
Tea pains most tea pains, most grandest accomplishment, I honestly,
and I you know, I said in interviews and I've
said it in this interview, and I won't keep saying it,
my wife loved me and my kids don't hate me,
because I know so many that that is not the case.
Speaker 1 (48:44):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (48:45):
I know so many people and so many guys that
have kids and have a wife that hates them that
they you know, they call it the old ball and chain.
My wife don't do that to me. Wife. You know,
she she comes on the road with me. I never
I never go anywhere without her. My kids don't hate me.
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My kids love everything that I do. I talk to
my kids like we're best friends. You know, everything that
I do, my wife and kids are a part of it.
That is that is that is something accomplishment for a
black man that as it's kind of like a flex.
(49:30):
It's damn near like an outfit. It's just like.
Speaker 5 (49:34):
You know.
Speaker 2 (49:36):
When his manager when they were like you look like that,
take care of your kids or like, yeah, what.
Speaker 1 (49:48):
My wife loves me too.
Speaker 2 (49:49):
You know what I'm saying, Yeah, I bet your wife
love your bitch as like you know what I'm saying, Yeah,
you know what love feels like? Who ass like damn
like it's an insult now because we we don't we
sometimes we don't feel like we deserve the ship and
we really do. We really do. And to have somebody
(50:11):
there that actually with us and to have your kids,
you know, and to grow up with your kids, it's
awesome to you know, to have that stereotype of fatherless
you know, black fatherless kids and ship like that, like
to be able to grow with your kids and to
have a wife that loves you. Man, That that is
I think that's I mean, I can really be like
(50:37):
Seep paying your mama.
Speaker 3 (50:38):
Ho.
Speaker 2 (50:39):
Yeah, my wife loved me though, like you know what
I mean? Like that Seep paying your dad, I ain't
never love you my kids, do.
Speaker 1 (50:50):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (50:53):
So it's like, uh, what what can hurt you when
nothing can? You know what I mean? Like, that's the
It's such a flex. It's such a it's such a
pedestal in life to where many can't do nothing to me.
(51:17):
I can literally go broke tomorrow. I can lose all
my money tomorrow, but I'm still richest because my kids
and my wife love me. Damn.
Speaker 1 (51:26):
That is a flex. Y'all.
Speaker 3 (51:28):
Make sure y'all go stream club husband, bro when you come,
when you do, when you do, when you do that
cover again, when you when you have that one, two
three nights, if it's somewhere close, Bro, I'm coming, bron.
You got some vocals, Like I said, Look, rather we
can go who run What? But it ain't no rapper
dead or live that can match this man's voice. That's
what t pain, ladies and gentlemen, Hey.
Speaker 5 (51:54):
All my life, running, all my life, second fights, hustle,
wanta slice, got to brow the dice, the squad all
my life. I've been grinding all my life, All my life,
grinding all my life, Sacrifice, Mussell, play the price, Want
to slice, got to brow the dice, the swap all
my life.
Speaker 2 (52:14):
I've been grinding all my life.
Speaker 3 (52:16):
M m hmm,
Thank you for your coming back. Part two is underway.
How about this, Is it true you didn't make any
money from buy you a drink?
Speaker 2 (00:09):
I made some money from buy your drink, Buy your drenk.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
You made some money, but not the money you should
have made or could have made.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Some money because I was paying homage, okay, and I
thought that paying homage would have been cool, which it
was at first. So when I did I'm gonna buy
you a drink, then I'm gonna think you home with me.
I got money in the bank. As soon as I
said money in the bank. That's when Little Scrappy came in.
It was like, okay, well he said, allowing from my
(00:38):
song because he Little Scrappy had the song at the time.
I got money in the bank, shorty, What you think
I got money in the bank. Yeah, and as what
you think about that, I'll be in the drink. I
like we in the bed. So at the beginning of
the song, when I said, snappy fingers your stead, yeah
you can do it all. Then Little John came in, Well,
(01:00):
since this song is doing well, I don't mind ever
it do your head? Asked so you know? No, it
was it was one of them things that was like
I thought I was paying homage and then the people
that could take advantage of it, they take advantage of it.
But the thing was they took advantage of the publishing
and the master of it. So while they were making
(01:24):
eight cents every three months, I was making one hundred
grand a night off of performing it. Like I'm like, okay,
whatever you want, be greedy, but you're not gonna get
what I'm doing. So do you think I mean, it
still loves all to all of them. And I don't
think it was them either. I don't think it was
a little scrappy doing it, and I don't think it
(01:44):
was a little job doing it. I just lived there
publishing companies that were coming from the stuff and little
job probably still don't know that we went through that
whole other thing. So you know, it was a it
was a moment in life that I was like, oh
so just thank my brothers, like everybody that didn't call
me their brothers and everybody and say it all this.
(02:06):
Maybe it's not but I understand now as a grown
up that maybe it wasn't them. And you know, nobody's
ever said anything to me. I've seen scrappy numerous times.
I've seen Little John a thousand times, and everybody's like,
everybody up.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Like, was that a very hard lesson for you to learn?
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Not No, not really, Oh it was. It was only
a lesson for me to learn to where I was like, oh,
they're not taking all the money from this record. They're
taking the publishing and the masters from it. But I'm
always gonna make money from doing that record, right, you know.
And there's nothing that anybody can do to stop me
(02:48):
from making the auxiliary money from their record. So it's
not gonna be a it's not going to be a
publishing or a master's thing. When I performed that song,
you can't take any of that, right, you know what
I'm saying. And you don't know how you know. Not
only do you not know how much I'm charging for
that song, but I mean, if you knew how much
(03:10):
I was how much I was getting off of that
song twenty years after you tried to take the money
from it, are you ship out of your deck?
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Club? Husband? It blew up on TikTok. But it's three.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
It's it's been so long, it's been a while you
released that's two.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Three?
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Yes, Yeah, I mean, were you surprised, Like, damn, hold on,
I released this song two three years ago and I
was blowing up.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
I hated it.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
You hate it, I hate it.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
I hate that was the worst. Oh my god. Can
you imagine, bro? Can you imagine, like trying to put
it in terms that you can you can understand. Can
you imagine the chick so hard?
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Damn give it sports turn?
Speaker 2 (04:01):
What about if I'm going I'm sports enough to know
that I know imagine it checks so hard and you
put all your you put all your hip into it,
all both replacements, you put you, you put you, you
put everything into it. And she was just like, all right,
(04:23):
good stuff, see you see you next time. And then
she don't call you back. And then two years later
you hear from somebody else, Now, hey reb not chicken
like three years but you said that was the best
time she ever had. It's one of those.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
It's one of those. Yeah, yeah, that hurt. That hurts.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Why don't you say it? Yes? Why didn't you say it?
You you should have said that, being you know much
power I'll put into that and into and to making
sure you had a good time, and say nothing. And
now you want to you want to have the good time. Hey,
by the way, she s asked you, wanna she want
to get back up with you and do it do
it all again?
Speaker 1 (04:59):
No, No, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
So you know?
Speaker 1 (05:06):
So is that a new way? Is that a new way?
Speaker 3 (05:08):
Because I see a lot of times songs are becoming
properly on TikTok before they become popular main street.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Is that is that kind of hoghest thing going? Plain?
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Oh not, man, It takes so much time to make
these songs and do all this stuff and actually put
time into work into this ship. And then if somebody
just posted on TikTok and get more famous, then because
keep in mind, the reason that it got famous on
TikTok was because I was making it on my strength, right,
(05:37):
But I was playing the a cappella in order to
make a dove step version of it because I gave
up on trying to release the regular version. You know
what I'm saying. So when I gave up on making
the regular version of thing, that's when it popped. And
it wasn't like a it was it wasn't like an
(05:59):
extended version or anything like that. And then and then
and then, oh my god, then the person that leaked,
it came on my stream weeks later and was like, Hey,
you need to put me on your team because apparently
I'm really good at reviving your career and I can
(06:21):
make you money.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
That man said that on your stream.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
This nigga said, Hey, I stole your shit and made
money off of it, so you need to give me money.
Now what? So now, hey, I'm really good at knowing
when you need to be good at stuff. So I
just steal the content that you're doing and I'll put
that content out and that's gonna make me money. So
(06:45):
you need to give me money for doing that? Wow?
Speaker 1 (06:48):
What the popping?
Speaker 2 (06:51):
All that sauce into it? And then she don't say nothing?
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Can we get spoils? You don't know anything about sports?
Speaker 2 (06:57):
I know I love it. I rather do I'd rather
do the rather do therd?
Speaker 3 (07:11):
How does it feel to you because there's this young
chopping skewerd dre Michelle did a I think she did
a uh a fee much?
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Yeah, because Jayalen Green thought it was a new song.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Right yeah, But but obviously when you make that song,
he probably was a couple of months sold. So you
gotta you must understand. But now you got a new
generation that's discovering.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Exactly now, imagine, yes, pumping all that sauce into it,
that berd.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
I did catch a bunch of touchdown. I caught a
bunch of touchdown. I've caught a bunch of points in
high school basketball.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
No, it was the one video that No, you did
nothing else your whole beginning of your life. Tell you
it's just the one video.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
That's it. Now, imagine all that ship you did, all them,
all them pants, all that ship. But it's just like
oh channing from the from the video.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Yeah, that's how you know. Unfortunately, some people does it. Yeah,
you see what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
They ain't talking about starning with the pants. Yeah okay, yeah, no, no,
I know, I know he's talking about nothing. Nope, nothing nothing,
not the whole career, nope, just the pants.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
You know.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
It's the twenty years, the twentieth, the twentieth anniversary. Yeah yeah,
rapper turn single. Oh my god, what have you learned
about this business in twenty years?
Speaker 2 (08:47):
And nobody is your brother? Nobody on paint.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
Don't don't do that, nobody paint cause I hear it,
I hear it all the time.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
That's my brother. I hear it, pain un seen so
many dicks in that locker room. None of them is
your brother. Nobody is your brother. Everybody is your brother.
While they can use you, everybody everybody is your brother. Wow,
they can use you. Nobody is your brother. That is
(09:18):
the quickest and the most consistent thing that I've learned
through this whole thing.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
You had to learn that the hard way.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Everybody that everybody, and and you know what, it's only
that say you my brother that I'm telling.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
Just like that now, Yeah, because you wouldn't allow you
wouldn't allow somebody that didn't say that to get close
to you.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
You would so you would. I'd rather you tell me
what the business was and not have the brother aspects
in there, and just say, hey, look here's what I
wanna do. Here's what we're gonna do. We're gonna do
a hook, We're gonna I'm gonna put a verse on
this ship. We're gonna make a bunch of money. Uh,
we're gonna separate for a little bit, and I'm gonna
come back when I need you again. Let's do it again.
(10:05):
But I'd rather know the plan than to say you
my brother, You my brother, you my brother, No brother,
We always gonna be together. We ain't gonna never we
ain't gonna never separate. Anytime you need me, I'm here
for you anytime you need me. Bam, bam bam. But
but nah, bro, it's the brother ship. Nobody is your brother.
I've had DJ kelled everybody then told me I'm your brother.
(10:32):
Do not believe that ship lord, that is the that
is they.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
You know, you're gonna get me in trouble, man.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
You're gonna get us in I'm gonna get us in
trouble all that. But I mean, but but no, I
mean when I say when I say, when I say
ship like DJ Caller, that it's very apparent like DJ
Kellen knows how to move, he knows how to you know,
things with different people and ship like that. But it's
like it's not just it's not it's not a DJ
(11:01):
type of thing. That's just the first person I can
think of. But we're talking about so many people because
you got to think of how many people I've helped
throughout their career. Everybody is like, oh my god, thank
you so much. You're my brother. And it's just so
much of that back to back back to back, back
to back, you're my brother, you're my brother. You're my brother,
You're my brother. And then none of that shit was reciprocated.
(11:23):
None of that shit came back. None of that shit
meant anything. When people start when people tell you how
much you mean to them, don't grab on to that.
(11:46):
When people tell you how much they can mean to
you in return, that's the shit you gravitate towards. Damn.
When when there's people on your team and sometimes like
(12:09):
I like, I love telling people that they're about to
get a raise, you know what I mean? So I
love I love going to my team and like, hey,
I'm about to get your raise. And when somebody says
thank you, man, I appreciate it. Yeah, it's like it's
probably gonna be your last race. But when I go
to somebody and I say, yo, you're about to get
(12:30):
a raise, and they say, can I is there something
like I do more work? Like can I is there?
Can you like also raise like my responsibilities or something? Them?
The people you keep you feel what I'm saying them,
The people you keep around you know, and and when
(12:50):
you when you do something so astronomical as to building
somebody's career and they just say, yo, you're my brother
bro By Gang. Never gonna see you again. But and
then it's like when you do something astronomical, like, bro
you built my career up. There has to be something
(13:11):
I can do right. That's the people you keep around
with you.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
Have you heard the story about the lady and the python.
This lady had a ten foot python and the python
stop eating. Month goes by, two months, goes by. He
wouldn't sleep in his pin. It wouldn't sleep in it pin.
It's only one to sleep next to her. Two months,
but it wouldn't eat. She takes it to the ved.
She said, I don't know what's wrong. I don't know
(13:36):
what's wrong with the snake. It won't eat anymore. He said,
wait a minute, how long has it been? How long
has it not eaten? Like two three like two three months?
Say does it want to just sleep next to you? Say,
it's nothing wrong with the snake. So that snake is
sizing you up. It's gonna eat you. It's just getting
close to you to let you let you make you
let your guard down. You see what happened absolutely and
(14:00):
there let your guard down. This is my brother patting
you in the back all the while.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
All the time, and I just you know, there there
have been times where I've not been like a great
friend to people and shit like that. But I didn't like,
I had no idea. I thought I was doing everything
that all the artists were supposed to be doing like that,
you know, uh, you know when I'm getting gifts from
and then come to find out it's just like all
(14:25):
the ship they got from the from the Grammy gift
room and ship like you just go through the line.
It's just like, oh you gotta watch. Yeah, nigga, I
got your watch.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
You didn't by somebody gifted you that somebody regifted exactly.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
So you know, it's a little bit like that man,
And and it's you know again, it's.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
W How do you move? How do you move?
Speaker 3 (14:47):
Someone says you're your brother and you see you come
to find out that they're moving funny, they moving sideways.
How do you remove yourself without making it so obvious
that you've removed?
Speaker 2 (14:57):
You make it obvious, You make it make it very
very very good. You make it very obvious because it's.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Like, so you wanted to know that you don't f
with them no more.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Yeah, you have to and that's the only way you're
gonna remove it, because if you lead them on, they're
gonna keep calling it like, hey, you available this week? No, no,
I'm not. I'm not available this week. And you wait,
did you think you think it was gonna start working again?
I mean you my brother?
Speaker 1 (15:27):
No not, No, I'm no.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
So it's like, you know, things like that, you have to.
I've learned as I've grown up and as I've come
to you know, because like when you started hitting in
your forties, you start losing a lot of friends. And
it's not because of you becoming you know, anti social
(15:51):
or anything like that. Is because it's like, oh, can
we agree that we've never really been friends, right, we
can be grown up about this, that we've never really
been friends at all.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Like we other than be an artist, we really have
nothing in common.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
That's it. And it's just like now that we're bro
we're both in our ford nothing to.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Like you at the age now paying you get to
choose your friends. It's not like we had a elementary school,
junior high high school.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
We can both agree that we have nothing in common
and none of us are are are has has an
advantage from us saying that we're friends at all.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
We don't.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
There's no like nothing, there's no me featuring you that's
gonna rock the airwaves. Like we're good. We can just
stop saying that we cool. Right Oh yeah, let's see, Okay,
let's stop doing it, you know, like, uh man, there
was so many there's so many people. There were people
when I was doing, like when I was like heavy
(16:51):
in features.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Yeah, oh you you the feature king?
Speaker 2 (16:54):
You you feature king. People started me doing features. There
were bigger artists that were like, I don't want to
be like in the video with him, Like I know
he's like you need him as a feature, but can
we not have him in the video with me at
the same time? What Like, there were so so hold on,
(17:14):
So that happened so many times.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
You don't you want me on the feature, but you
don't want me in the video?
Speaker 2 (17:20):
You just in case the thing that I was doing
was a gimmick and they can separate themselves from me
later on, which was which intern what's smart? Which the
term was smart, but it didn't work out their way.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Now they try to circle back.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
I mean, now I'm here with you. Yeah, So it
turned into a it turned into a safety net. That
ended up being a mosquito net. You know what I'm saying.
It kept them from sucking my blood, you know what
(17:58):
I'm saying. And I saw from the big again in
that nobody needed to be around me anyways. And I'm
totally fine with that. And the thing is that most
of these make their identities kind of reliant on being
around a bunch of money. I make my identity on
(18:19):
it's just me and my wife. Yeah, and here you go.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
After after she see this, I don't know, somebody say it.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
She by twenty two years. I know y'all been together
twenty two years. Yeah, she hollered at me. First, she's
she say you with, She say to you with the one?
Speaker 2 (18:39):
She bought it, and she bought into it.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Hey, let me ask you what made you sell your catalog?
Speaker 2 (18:44):
What made me sell my catalog? The the amount of
money that they gave me for my catalog, It literally
would have took me one hundred years to make that money.
I calculated it, and I was like, why would I
sell y'all this? Why would I say? And and they like, look,
(19:05):
here's how much you're making per year off of this.
We're gonna give you one hundred years worth of money
right here, all at once. Okay, why would you?
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Yeah, I didn't think that was did you.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Did you discuss it with wife and you like, hey,
check this out.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
This company came to me, this venture capitalist or just
recording whatever discussed? She said, why you asked me that question?
You know, damn well you're supposed to say yes on
the spot. I said, hey, babe, okay, you come in.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
It's a babe. Check this out. I gotta I got
a deal. I don't know. I might can refuse it.
I might not.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
But to the kids today, kids going to school.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Yeah, she said.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Yeah. I was like, did you you know everybody get like,
I gotta talk to you about something that's real important
about our future. Okay then like okay, cool yeah, cool ship.
Like can I close the door because I don't want,
you know, I want the rest of it, Like what's
(20:10):
going on? Like just just tell me? So I closed
the door.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Clo we're rich?
Speaker 4 (20:18):
Where where were a hundred million dollars?
Speaker 2 (20:29):
You know who? Baby baby mo xucker Bird just invited
us to us.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
But we're rich.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
We so so so he tell it, you said, baby,
we rich beyond rich. I mean whatever you thought about
when we got together, my career was taking off. Whatever
you thought I was gonna be.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
Here's the here's what what made us beyond Here's what
the we we rich beyond rich. So Harborview, the people
I sold my catalog to, they didn't just say we
want your catalog. They said we'll buy your catalog. But also,
(21:12):
if you make another hit, we want that too. If
you make more songs, we want them to. If you
make a hit TV series, we want that too, Dale.
If you make a football league that just nobody even
thought of that, we want that too. If you if
we are scoring movies, if you score a movie, we
want that too.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
So it's not just at So basically, whatever you do
that you can possibly monetize that got.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
It's not at just what they got, so I can
I sold them what I sold them. But also if
I if I say this one's doing pretty good too,
they like.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
We want that too.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Here's another Dale, you know what I'm saying. So it's
a partnership. Now it's not. And that's a That's the
thing that Harbor Review does. Like when they go in,
when they go in with somebody, they don't go in
like give us your shit. You're are Michael Jackson. It's like,
(22:09):
we look, we want to go into a partnership with you.
So if you decide, if I decide that Club Husband
is doing good enough, how much y'all give you for
the club bus? Now you can put it anywhere you
want to. Now you can put it on movies and
you can make the rest of the money off it.
But the money it would have taken me one hundred
years to make off a club USand you get that
even if it's twenty x, that's twenty years the money
(22:33):
it would take me to the time it would take
me to make twenty years worth their money off of
Club Husband. I can get a twenty x from them
the time it would take me to just sell a
beat or dubstep. I if I make an intro to
your show and they say we want to writes to that,
(22:54):
take it. How much money is Sanny Sharp's show gonna
make for the next twenty years? How much steak do
I have or not from the intro boom? Give me
that money?
Speaker 3 (23:06):
So it's it's it was. In other words, it was
a no brainer. What was the first Okay, you got
this money? You wealthy Bey all you even when you
dreamed at night. And my brother just tell us all
to tell me all the time. You say, a dream?
Is this gift you give to yourself? So you dreaming
at night?
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Right?
Speaker 1 (23:22):
What the first thing you bought? What you when you
got this money?
Speaker 2 (23:24):
You let?
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Baby? What you want? Baby? Whatever you want?
Speaker 2 (23:28):
Dinny's house? It's not is that? Is that?
Speaker 1 (23:36):
No?
Speaker 3 (23:36):
No?
Speaker 2 (23:36):
No? So about about a fifty thousand square foot building
for all my businesses?
Speaker 3 (23:43):
Okay, okay, so I was fifty thousand square foot. I
thought you were about to see a house, I said you.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
No, no, no, no, fifty thousand square foot building for
all my businesses?
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (23:58):
About a plane? A plane?
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Oh, big bowler?
Speaker 2 (24:06):
What the what? What in God's name? What you do
with that money? Get two lawnmowers?
Speaker 3 (24:17):
I would I probably would buy time shares in a plane.
I don't know if I would want time.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Yeah, I would abruptly buy two lawnmowers in a ferrari.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
So so what what what did? What did she you? Okay,
just what you bought? You bought a building, you bought
a plane. What does she want for herself?
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Some black shirts? This? My wife is the best bro like.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
She don't want anything.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
I'd be literally trying to buy her ship and.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
She seems so down to earth.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
You don't I don't know. I don't know. I don't
know if she's down to.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
Earth or would you die there? You been with you
see the nigga she picked?
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Like, yes, yes, yeah, I wasn't a smart choice. Good job,
you know what I'm saying. I'd be trying to buy
her shit all the time. I'm about her trucks and
she's like a truck. Trucks like trucks, and she's like,
(25:21):
all right, let's cool. It's like, I'm just gonna ride
with you everywhere you go. I'm not gonna drive them,
Like okay, thank you, but so truck, thank you.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
You started off DJ and at the age of fourteen,
probably making what fifty hundred dollars a night DJ in
two hundred money?
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Was getting paid?
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Oh you doing it for free?
Speaker 5 (25:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (25:46):
I was carrying crates, okay, at fourteen fifteen, I was
carrying crates because keep in mind, I couldn't go into
clubs unless I had a job. So I was carrying
crates for DJs, and I was hearing the reason that
I can make the songs the way that I make
is because I was hearing the songs that DJ's were
(26:07):
playing from the crazy that I was carrying, right, and
I was like, man, people really like these parts of songs.
What the it is making people go so crazy? Okay?
So every night I would literally write down, like, all right,
the high hats gone from this song. All right, they
like this part. Okay, there's no kick on this part.
(26:29):
All right, well he just said something real wow on
this part, I don't know what like. And so I
like started studying why people like parts of songs that
they like, and then I went back in my career
when I was like, I think I'm gonna try to
make a song and I'm gonna incorporate all these things
(26:52):
that people have seemingly been liking from these things that
I've been so kind of just like, yeah, it's making
a song from a DJ's respective is because.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
You know what hit? You know what's like you said,
you I know it.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Hit, I know it hits? I know what what like?
Speaker 5 (27:13):
You know?
Speaker 2 (27:14):
And eight A weight hits on this part and people
love that shit there's no eight weight on this part,
and people screaming and ship at the top of their lungs.
There's no, there's no high had on this part, there's
no snail on this party. Boom and boom. So I
started incorporating those things into my songs and it's like,
I think I know how to make a song.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Yeah, I tried one and boom.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
Yeah, just happened.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
Because early earlier your career, you bought a Bugatti one
point seven million. You bought a chain four hundred thousand,
said big gass chain. Now you've got a little lass chain.
Now you say, hey, Frankachard, men from t Move, let.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
Me Jayson, let me tell you something. When I bought that,
that was the last bit of my money. And I
had no idea. I had no idea.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
You didn't know that was your last bit of your
money or you had no idea that.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
I had no idea that was the last bit of
my money. When I bought that Bugatti, I demanded that
my accountants send the money for their Bugatti. And when
I got it, they were like, hey, so we may
have to sell your house. I'm like, you talking about
I have a Bugatti. They were like, yeah, that was
(28:32):
what we were going to use to pay for the
rest of your house. And I'm like, my house is
paid for They're like, uh, not anymore. So we had
to take out something for your thing. And then we
bought the Bugatti, so they knew Bugatti disappeared and shit
like that. But it was never like, uh, I was
never secure because I never knew what the hell was
(28:54):
going on with my finances. I mean, now, very very
very very close to my finances and I know every
dollar that goes out. Like I'm telling you, if somebody
tries to send four dollars from one of my accounts,
I get an alert on my phone, you know what
I mean. Like, I stay very close to my finances
and shit like that. But back then, I had no
(29:17):
idea what was happening. I had no idea. I had
so much money that it was just like why would
I care. I don't care who steals from me. I
should still have enough, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
But that's what was happening. People were actually actually they.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Were actually stilling. But also I was investing in weird stuff.
My uh my granddad said he had a and it
sounds stupid now. My granddad said he had an idea.
We're gonna sell.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
With here. You sell it, you know how, you know
how to.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Sag their drawers all the time. We're gonna sell pants
with the drawers already said, you're gonna sell pants with
the drawers hanging out of them. And then the waist
band of the draws is the actual waistband of the pants. Absolutely,
(30:19):
how much money you need? That shit sounds amazing? You know?
It spent one hundred thousand dollars on that. I didn't
have it, but I gave it to him. Guess what,
you can pull it up right now? Balenciaga is literally
selling pants with draws hanging out the.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
We got we copyright? Do you got a pat in hell?
Speaker 2 (30:42):
No? Man, he never did it. He never made him,
He never did it. Damn. But I was supposed I
was supposed to just know that that was gonna happen.
But right now, I swear to god, Balenciaga is selling
pants with draws as research department. We have a yeah, yeah,
(31:08):
put it out now.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Now you're on Twitch?
Speaker 2 (31:12):
Oh boy?
Speaker 3 (31:13):
So, hey bro, are you more active on Twitch than
making music?
Speaker 1 (31:18):
I mean, oh so, so, how how does twitch?
Speaker 2 (31:20):
I'm making music on Twitch. I'm making all my music on.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
Twitch so people can see it in real time, in
real time.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
I'm literally everything that I do now every single that
I release, everything that happens right now, I can you
can clock it from me making the first sound to
putting it out, like all the way from me making
the first sound of the beat, making the whole beat,
recording the vocals, and then putting it out. I can
(31:48):
show you the entire process on Twitch and it's and
it's been not only a liberating thing for me, but
it's turned into an eye opener to the viewers for
other artists because they're like, y'all ain't doing this, y'all
ain't doing the process like pain, you know what I'm saying.
(32:09):
So it's it's it's not a it's not a flex,
but it's like if your favorite artists ain't doing the
whole process, then y'all watching this bar you know what
I'm saying. Yeah, so it's a it's turned into uh,
I'll look. You can see you can literally watch this
(32:31):
song develop from the first sound of the beat to
the release of the song, and that that can't there's
no other place that you can watch that happen within
a week span, you know what I'm saying. So within
seven days you can see this thing happen. I will
stream every part of me making this and I have
(32:53):
I have like a a two step process, like I
got a drunk tea paint and sober tea paint, so
drunk ta pain are coming and it started to make
the song and ship like that, and then sober tea
painter come in the next day and like what does
do last night? Because I don't remember none of that ship?
And then I fix it and then I finish it
(33:14):
to where the song can come out. So it's like
you get these different aspects of how my how my
process works. And there's there's like come to my house
and like, I don't want people to see me recording
my verse and it's like you don't even want, Like
damn ro We're just we're just writing verses and just recording.
They're like, nah, I don't want I'm showing you start.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
Everything.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
I just I have to because I don't have. And
a big part of it is I don't have a
hidden aspect to my process because a lot of that
come up comes to the crib. They're like they got
these other writers or they got these other producers, and
they got people, they got the secrets that come in
on the side and do all this ext shit. I'm like, bro,
(34:02):
it's been it's literally me in the studio.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
What they see on Twitch is what it actually happens.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Exactly what it is. It's me in the studio by
myself the whole time doing the ship. And you know,
sometimes my wife would come in, she'll write the ship
with me. But you know my kids will come in there,
write ship with me. But it's like, it ain't no secrets,
it ain't no extra writers coming in, ain't no extra
coming off the street, shit like that, Like it ain't
never gonna be that, you know what I'm saying. So,
(34:28):
I mean, that's that's that's my favorite part of the ship.
My the fun part is getting drunk and shit one night,
coming in the next morning and still streaming like let
me see what this did. But me so so I'm like,
let me see what he did. And I hear it.
I'm like, oh shit, that nigga had a little idea
(34:50):
last night. See what's going on? And then I and
then I finished that idea and then the song actually
comes out. But it's but you can see that it's
me the entire time. So it's uh, it's not only liberating, man,
it actually shows people that not everything is fake. You
know everything you know. I don't know how you feel.
(35:13):
But ever since, like Milli van Ellie, everybody has been
like everything, especially not with AI. Everything's fake. Especially not
with AI. Everything's fake. AI, everything's fake. This nigga ain't
do that. I don't believe it. Even if I see
you do it, I don't believe it. It's not It's
not a real thing, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (35:31):
So a couple of years ago, Pain, we had you
on Nightcap and I asked, I said, I say, Pain,
with your voice, you can really really.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
Ef and sing.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
I don't know if there's a rapper dead or alive
that can match vocals with you.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
I see why you use auto tunes.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
It literally just set me apart. It was just something
that set me apart. You know, there's not a lot
of people in this world that have heard Roger Troupman's
actual singing.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
For he the first.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Sing that boy I can sing as ass all. But
he did that to set himself apart, because if you
just gonna sing, just gonna be another singer, Like, why
why put yourself in that category when you have the
opportunity to set your separate part from everybody. And you
know it comes with this, it comes with its uh stipulations,
(36:29):
and it comes with its uh.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
Won't you do a pivot? Won't you do? Okay?
Speaker 2 (36:33):
I did.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
You'll have to know. I'm about now really right now.
Like Beyonce, Beyonce had a genre. She said, you know
what country, what I'm gonna do and put an album out. Okay,
you wrap not do it?
Speaker 1 (36:43):
R and B.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Well, let's keep in mind that country has always been
a part of Beyonce's repertoire. Okay, you know what I'm saying.
Like Beyonce has always been able to do country. You know,
all her harmonies and all the things that Destiny his
child did things like that. That's always been country music.
That's always been blues. Uh and and country music came
(37:05):
from blues, and blues came from country. And you know,
everybody can uh you know, have have their allegations about that,
but this has always been a thing. It's about tempo,
it's about rhythmic vocals and things like that that made
it quote unquote country. But it's always been that, and
(37:25):
that's something that we are always able to do. Uh.
Rhythm and blues, Yes, is what R and B is, Yes,
bluesy blues is country. Country is like we've we've always
been in this space. Bump, my mama done told me
bye bye Bamp, sab bamp, sab bada bad badam badah
(37:48):
bah baye bye bye bye bye bye bye bye bye.
Brim Prim prim Prim. We call that blues. But that's
where country came from. So we can do that. That's
always been ours, you know what I mean I'm saying.
So we just kind of went back to our roots
on that, and Beyonce, Beyonce was always the queen of that.
So it's never gonna be a thing to where it's
(38:09):
like a pivot for us. It's just just kind of
doing what we were already doing, you know what I mean.
Like when I did on Top of the Covers, when
I did my cover album and I was singing, singing, singing, Oh.
Speaker 3 (38:24):
Yeah, yeah, you did people really know you could sing
like that before they heard you do all the covers.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
Not at all, Not at all, I don't think. So
there was a core audience that had a suspicion, but
I never like really felt like I needed to prove anything.
So when I when I went into that, when I
went into that on top of the covers and I
did the Uh. When I did the sun Rose in
La it was kind of a it was I didn't
(38:52):
prove a point.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
But it was just like a see, like no I
can really sing.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
It was like a right, like you know what I'm saying.
It was kind of a like that, but it wasn't
like I'm here to prove a point kind of thing.
And it's like, let's get together for a night of
good vibes and I'm gonna do the thing that we
all know that we're gonna do. And then we sold
out three nights in two minutes.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
Wow, you know what I mean? So is that something
you're looking to do again?
Speaker 2 (39:19):
I do want to do a part two of it.
I do want to do a part two of it.
And I'm about to start taking a poll online of
like what songs I should do because I don't want
to pick them.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
And you want the audience to pick them.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
Yeah, because the first the first version of it was
songs that meant a lot to my heart, and now
I want to know what people think that I should
be kind of, you know, kind of taking a stab.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
At who who haven't you worked with that you would
like to do something.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
With hundred three thousand.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
Good luck with that one.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
Yeah, you would literally learn how to play or would win.
I bought a flute and I bought a saxophone from TMU.
I almost got it. I almost got it.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
If if if Jay came to you and said a
bro halftime show.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
No, that's too much pressure. It's too much pressure. That's
a that's because you gotta think. Now, it's a great honor. Yes,
it would be an amazing honor. But you gotta think
about me trying to squeeze twenty years of absolute hit
records in fifteen minutes. I can't do it. I'm just
(40:39):
I'm just not. I'm not gonna be the one that'd be.
Remember when just when Justin Timerlake did it, Yeah, and
that whole fifteen minutes was like, oh shit, I forgot
about that.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
Oh shit, what that was his?
Speaker 2 (40:50):
Oh god, damn par Real got ship. Just yeah, I
don't want that. I don't want the I don't want
the head snatch of Damn I forgot he did all
that shit. Just let me live that out. Also, I
don't know own that shit anymore. So just no, I
(41:11):
sold it, son't have it.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
You know what I mean. You also, we're gonna get
you out here a few more.
Speaker 3 (41:16):
You said that you stopped you write songs, but we
were writing songs for people that their fan base didn't
know you were actually writing and was getting upset.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
You say, you know what, just go and give me
a break. All y'all got to put you on their ape. Yeah,
I had to.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
I had to learn how to stop wanting to be
in front of the camera. I had to learn how
to get the hell behind the camera and just all right, Yeah,
I don't have to like me, but I did help
your favorite artist. I did write this country song. I
did write this ship. But you know, there was a
time where people would look at those those booklets when
(41:57):
you get an album, Yes, snatched that thing out to
see the cover. Who you look at those things and
they don't. They don't have those anymore. So I had
to learn to be like, I don't need that credit.
I don't need you to know it's obviously there. But
I don't need everybody to have that knowledge. My family's
(42:19):
taken care of. My wife still love it, my kids
don't hate me. We good. I don't need anybody else
to know exactly what I'm doing all the time.
Speaker 3 (42:32):
And that's you know, that's the thing that we all
got to any more free boots, any more free beats
hooks features.
Speaker 2 (42:39):
All the time? You still all the time, all the
time free beats hooks features. I still do what we
call tea mixes. T mix is always free because it
has to be a song that I really really really
really like. And that's how you get a free te
pain feature. You make a song that I really like,
(43:02):
I'll do a verse to it and just put it
out and you can do whatever you want to it.
Speaker 1 (43:05):
It's not like a.
Speaker 2 (43:08):
You know, it's not like a premeditated thing. You don't
know what's happening things like that. I'm doing a folded remix. Yeah,
the folded T mixes. I mean, Kline's always been She's
already asking me to do something on her album. But
I'm like, I was already.
Speaker 1 (43:26):
Doing it, right, you know.
Speaker 2 (43:28):
But she was like, oh yeah, just do that then,
okay cool. You know, she had another song ready for
me and I can. I can still do that song.
But I was like, hey, I'm about to do it folded.
I just want to let you know as soon as
I get off this as soon as I get off
this road and as soon as I know it, exactly
what I'm about to do for the next two weeks.
(43:49):
I got you. I'm about to do that folded remix,
but also I'm gonna do the thing that you asked me.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
To do, the Mad Singer. How did you? How did
they get how did they get you to do that?
And how do you? How do you sing that? Damn
big ass copstudent.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
I gotta tell you man, I tried to cancel the
Band Singer three days before I started it. Yeah, No,
it was bad. It was bad because when I when
I actually got a hold, like a mental hold of
what it was, I was like, oh, this is stupid
as hell.
Speaker 1 (44:19):
I don't want to do this.
Speaker 2 (44:27):
And then I was like, yo, I'm good on this.
I don't want to do this anymore. And they're like
what what what? What's wrong? And I was like, you're
telling me. If they can figure out who's in the costume,
then they lose. I'm gonna lose immediately. Everybody knows exactly
what my voice sounds like. I don't know what it
(44:47):
sounds like, but apparently I'm a mix between See Lord
and Robins Thick. I don't know how that worked, but
so's I'm like, if anybody can hear my voice, then
I lose. They're like, no, if they figure out who
you are but they can't prove it, then you can
(45:07):
keep going. And I'm like, oh, I get it. Can
I drink? And they were like, yes, you can drink.
I'm like okay, I'm okay, I can do it. I mean,
and I don't know, you can probably pull it up now.
But every night that I performed in that costume, I
(45:31):
had to wear the pants. I was the only person
that had pants, and then the rest of my costume
would just engulf my body. Everybody else was an actual
mask and just clothes, you know what I mean. So
it was like I was the only person. I was
wearing an actual costume the entire time. So every night
(45:53):
you can see the eye fog up and I couldn't
see shit. So every night I was performing blow and
I couldn't see shit. That one, that one last night
that actually won me the whole thing. I had a
microphone in my hand. I had a microphone in my
(46:13):
actual hand outside of the costume, and they wanted me
to put the microphone up to the mouth of the thing.
And I'm like, I can't do that. I actually need
I need somehow, so maybe I have a fake hand
outside and then I have a mic in here because
I'm about to perform Stay with Me by Sam Smith.
(46:34):
And they're like, we we.
Speaker 5 (46:36):
Can't do that.
Speaker 2 (46:36):
That's gonna look stupid as hell. You're gonna have a
just a just an arm out here with a microphone
in it. And I'm like, okay, well, what's the best
I could do? And like, we can put a microphone
in your hand on a half a stand, put it
up to your mouth, but we can also have a
microphone right here on your face.
Speaker 1 (46:56):
The Madonna mike.
Speaker 2 (46:59):
Like too much for that, and they're like, well, you
got to control your breathe and that's the only way
we can do it. And that that is literally what
won me the whole thing, because I was like, I'll
hold my breath in between these lines in order to
get this right. And I literally was holding my breath
(47:20):
that whole night because you can hear me, like in
between the ship because I was so hot in there. Yes,
and I had fans in there in the in the
in the costume, but you can hear the fans in
the mic so they had to cut them off in
(47:41):
order for the mic to be clean and on my face,
and they taped it to my side burns and my lips,
and I'm like, okay, y'all are gonna make me lose
this thing. And I was just like, you know what,
I'm just locking there we go. And then I just
sang it without taking a breath for that whole take.
(48:02):
That that's what won me, the whole thing. I didn't
take one breath that whole time. I was so scared.
I didn't take one breath that entire time that I
was singing.
Speaker 1 (48:10):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (48:12):
I'm gonna get you out of here on this. What
is t pay most proud of? What is your grandest accomplishment?
Speaker 2 (48:21):
Tea pains most tea pains, most grandest accomplishment, I honestly,
and I you know, I said in interviews and I've
said it in this interview, and I won't keep saying it,
my wife loved me and my kids don't hate me,
because I know so many that that is not the case.
Speaker 1 (48:44):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (48:45):
I know so many people and so many guys that
have kids and have a wife that hates them that
they you know, they call it the old ball and chain.
My wife don't do that to me. Wife. You know,
she she comes on the road with me. I never
I never go anywhere without her. My kids don't hate me.
(49:06):
My kids love everything that I do. I talk to
my kids like we're best friends. You know, everything that
I do, my wife and kids are a part of it.
That is that is that is something accomplishment for a
black man that as it's kind of like a flex.
(49:30):
It's damn near like an outfit. It's just like.
Speaker 5 (49:34):
You know.
Speaker 2 (49:36):
When his manager when they were like you look like that,
take care of your kids or like, yeah, what.
Speaker 1 (49:48):
My wife loves me too.
Speaker 2 (49:49):
You know what I'm saying, Yeah, I bet your wife
love your bitch as like you know what I'm saying, Yeah,
you know what love feels like? Who ass like damn
like it's an insult now because we we don't we
sometimes we don't feel like we deserve the ship and
we really do. We really do. And to have somebody
(50:11):
there that actually with us and to have your kids,
you know, and to grow up with your kids, it's
awesome to you know, to have that stereotype of fatherless
you know, black fatherless kids and ship like that, like
to be able to grow with your kids and to
have a wife that loves you. Man, That that is
I think that's I mean, I can really be like
(50:37):
Seep paying your mama.
Speaker 3 (50:38):
Ho.
Speaker 2 (50:39):
Yeah, my wife loved me though, like you know what
I mean? Like that Seep paying your dad, I ain't
never love you my kids, do.
Speaker 1 (50:50):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (50:53):
So it's like, uh, what what can hurt you when
nothing can? You know what I mean? Like, that's the
It's such a flex. It's such a it's such a
pedestal in life to where many can't do nothing to me.
(51:17):
I can literally go broke tomorrow. I can lose all
my money tomorrow, but I'm still richest because my kids
and my wife love me. Damn.
Speaker 1 (51:26):
That is a flex. Y'all.
Speaker 3 (51:28):
Make sure y'all go stream club husband, bro when you come,
when you do, when you do, when you do that
cover again, when you when you have that one, two
three nights, if it's somewhere close, Bro, I'm coming, bron.
You got some vocals, Like I said, Look, rather we
can go who run What? But it ain't no rapper
dead or live that can match this man's voice. That's
what t pain, ladies and gentlemen, Hey.
Speaker 5 (51:54):
All my life, running, all my life, second fights, hustle,
wanta slice, got to brow the dice, the squad all
my life. I've been grinding all my life, All my life,
grinding all my life, Sacrifice, Mussell, play the price, Want
to slice, got to brow the dice, the swap all
my life.
Speaker 2 (52:14):
I've been grinding all my life.
Speaker 3 (52:16):
M m hmm,
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