Club Shay Shay - TK Kirkland Part 1 - Club Shay Shay

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And I normally don't say this about people. Somebody need
a whooper so he can get some guts.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
All my life, grinding all my life, sacrifices, hustle back
price one slice, got the Bronic gis swash all my life,
Poppy grinding all my life, all my life and grinding
all my life, sacri fights, hustle back to prison, one
Slice Doctor Bronic Deist swash all my life.

Speaker 3 (00:27):
I be grinding all my life. Hello, Welcome to another
episode of Club Sha Shae. I am your host, Shannon Sharp,
but also the proprietor of Club Sha Sha, stopping by
for conversation and a drink today. He's a trailblazer, a
pioneering force in the world of comedy, hip hop's first
nationally recognized comedium. A seasoned veteran with over forty years

(00:49):
in the entertainment business, he performs the sold out crowds
around the world with an unapologetic delivery. One of the
most authentic voices in the industry. He's celebrated for his
original story telling, motivation and advice. An underground legend, a
versatile actor, prolific writer, multi half dated businessman, and well
respected hosts, he helped launch careers of so many legends.

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The best kept secret in America T to the mofo
K here is Ladies and Gentlemen t.

Speaker 1 (01:16):
K kirkliss Yo yo yo.

Speaker 4 (01:22):
Bro.

Speaker 3 (01:22):
That's how you introduced some Maybe it's a pleasure to
have you on club Man forty years in the industry. Man,
we got a toast in Yes, sir, Yes, sir Bro,
thank you for stopping by me. Appreciate your time. I
know your business. You got a lot going on. I
see you all around. Appreciate your stopping.

Speaker 1 (01:37):
Really, this means a lot to me as well.

Speaker 4 (01:41):
You don't have my drink.

Speaker 1 (01:42):
Oh that's so good. Yeah, gonna have me here.

Speaker 4 (01:46):
TK.

Speaker 3 (01:46):
Since you started your career and you've opened up for
so many NWA and Luda and jay Z, some of
the biggest and briders. So for you today to come here,
We're gonna open up with a very very special performer.
She flew herself all the way from Japan. Here she
is Ladies and gentlemen, a witch.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
Meet you, then you.

Speaker 3 (02:20):
Then you what the.

Speaker 5 (02:23):
Coade Kate hung up with the boss if mental domon
cut clean Hize so essential, Taga like Kinzl Bush, you
all like bensol, come and miss me, yag you.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
Want to bush you in your then so wax wax song,
wax off, close.

Speaker 5 (02:37):
Up the leggas, gotta get the back song never graduated,
but you get your cap full.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
You running by my.

Speaker 5 (02:42):
Way, got us at the digs off and al right,
say say wax so on, wax up, Hey, wax on,
waxaf wax song, wax sauce, wax all wax up. Things
could get vined to some better agreed, show me who
you leaders. I can't argue with the it's just filling
up a rain that's running that stuff. Come and go

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when you hear my voice, sit them bed, it's run
up fat.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
Just they pick it.

Speaker 5 (03:06):
Then they mana to the ground. Too many want to
kick it. Think it's Gary Indiana.

Speaker 4 (03:10):
He goes in the mice and them.

Speaker 5 (03:12):
Sherros and my watch, Jesus, I was on the side
catching flies, woman chops eat shot tattoo on hip hop
like that pop Waise TikTok do, hurry up steam classic six,
kicking in the door with that shade, shall sense crush
and be level. Okay, now what hey, don't make me
take the trip to Okay?

Speaker 3 (03:28):
Now will break a brick with a.

Speaker 4 (03:30):
Chap, keep a stick and a chopper.

Speaker 5 (03:32):
I teach you how to black gain you know it,
just telling your glue by water your poet.

Speaker 3 (03:37):
Ye, I'm I will tell your cock back come bound.

Speaker 5 (03:40):
When I will tell your cop back, I'm bottling it.
I will tell your cop back.

Speaker 3 (03:45):
You don't know hallwey.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
We got the plow in the pole and a shop
with the swel women.

Speaker 3 (03:50):
Don't take the pow to your doe.

Speaker 1 (03:51):
You'll be going like call with the storm. I would
call him as hole.

Speaker 3 (03:55):
If you call with the poems, we could go to
the door.

Speaker 1 (03:57):
Liny, what's all black?

Speaker 3 (04:02):
Sola wlax?

Speaker 1 (04:04):
Saw whack whack saw wax. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (04:16):
Wow, Stick around, guys, because we're going to bring back
a Wich to perform again and you're gonna learn more
about her story. As I mentioned, you started your career,
and I didn't know this was a thing until recently
when I see a lot of young comedians and they
say they open up for X, Y and Z. But
that's how you started your career. You opened up for
NWA way back whenning.

Speaker 1 (04:37):
Way back nineteen eighty eight, and I got my start,
and I always I wanted to start giving a new
edition their start. I mean they're they're their problem problems.
Because New Addition, I tour it with them first, and
because I tore it New Edition, and I met Eazy
E because Bobby had left New Edition, and Al Hayman,
who's now in the business manager for Mayweather, loved my

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style and he booked me. The hosts of show with
Bobby Brown I'll be Sure Teena, Marie and Keith Sweat
Wow at the LA Forum in Los Angeles turned it out,
but during in the mission, a DJ put in a
cassette of a local rap group was n w A.
Me being the kind of guy, I need to know
who these people were. So Bobby was next to me.

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He told me where they were. He saw them in
the audience. I walked up the stage. I walked up
to this young man and I told my name was
t to the MFK and he said I was Easy,
MFE and Easy Doctor dre Ice Q all came to
see me perform at the Comedy Store a week later. Easy,
he said, Yo, let's go, and I went on my

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first Nation of the tour straight out of Compton.

Speaker 3 (05:45):
So so you started, you started with New Audition, New Addition,
then you met w met nw A and then they
put you on that and then.

Speaker 1 (05:55):
That's what took me to everybody else. And I always
had that same formula, right, So that formula took me
to write in comedy skits on albums. Then I was
rocking with Too Short. Then I was rocking with Luke
in Miami, I was rocking with jay Z, I was
rocking with Lloyd. I did Players Diary, I did Timberland's
first album when Stefani right. So I did everybody's stuff.

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So I always kept quiet because nobody knew my path
of my career. So I always just stayed low key
and all that because I come from a different error
than the comedians today, because I was in the streets
as well, so my OG's we had a certain style
of communication. We don't say nothing. Even back in the day,
the way we take pictures down. You would get beat up.

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Back in the day if you took somebody's picture, they
didn't authorize it. But now everybody takes a picture. But
we didn't want to be in the spotlight. But because
of the business I'm in, I have to be on Instagram,
which I kind of hate. I have to do it.

Speaker 4 (06:54):
You you independent, you got to sell yourself.

Speaker 1 (06:57):
I gotta sell myself. You hit it right in there.
But this is going to be a day and it's
coming soon where there's no more text messaging, there's no
more videos. I'm just gonna stop.

Speaker 4 (07:08):
And then what's So, what's what's what's the next step,
what's the progression?

Speaker 1 (07:11):
Well, the thing is, I just want to continue traveling
the way I do. I think I've saved up enough
financial security to take me into and my time is over, right,
and I just want to enjoy. I got grandkids. You
understand we getting here, right. I mean, we worked so
hard and it's only so many damn jokes you could say,

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even though, And I want to tell my fans. Even
though I love when it comes to see me perform,
I love getting ready. Just like I told you, I
was getting ready for you three years ago. I was
preparing for you three years ago. So when my team
was like, TK, I can't wait for you to do
shakee Club Shade Sharet, I said, don't worry about it.

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It's going to come. I promise you was going to come.
So when I got the call, I thought it was
fake because somebody had sent me a fake email pretending
it was you, and they was like, oh, we want
you to do Club Shannon is a big fan of you.
But they didn't have no phone number. They did it twice.
So when your guy Dave going on, Yeah, So when
Dave reached out to me, he had the phone number there,

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I knew it was official. So when I called, he said, man, Shannon,
watch y'all, you'd out have got die and I said, boom,
it was set. So we're supposed to have done it
a month from now, but I had I got to
do Boston, Massachusetts. So when I said, yo, let's do
it earlier, everybody said it was okay, perfect and boom,
here we are.

Speaker 3 (08:34):
You mentioned that you opened up for a lot of
a lot of rappers. Is it common now for comedians
to open up for rappers now? Or is that the
thing of the past. It was thinking of the past.

Speaker 1 (08:42):
I don't think. The one thing I know for sure,
you had to have a gift to open up for
a rap group. See Leo Cohen said it best to me.
I was opening up it was the Rough Riders, Cash
Money Millionaires Eve. We was doing the show in New York.

(09:04):
It was packed, eighteen thousand people and I'm turning it out.
So Leo Cohen said, TK, A lot of people don't
know you have the most important job of the night
because you have to control of the climate of the room.
You can side a riot or you can keep them laughing.
And I always kept them entertained, and that's what always
kept me going. And that's one thing I can say

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for sure that will solidify my position because most comedians
don't have comedy IQ. Like you guys in football know
who was the great running backs? You know who's the
great quarterbacks? You know you do you watch film to
know when you play a team, who's that guy. In
our business, comedians don't do their homework. They don't have
what I call comedy IQ. Really yeah, they don't have it.

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They do not have it. So comedy IQ is knowing
your history right. A lot of people think Russell Simmons
started black comedy, but it was a gentleman named Michael Williams.
Michael Williams started black comedy in South Central on forty
third and Crenshaw, a place called the Regency West. The
Regency Western reason why he rented out the hall because

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he had the best standard. Comedian privately touched to Mike
Robin Harris. Yeah, but this is before they would let
us in the improvs, the funny Bones. See, comedians think
that's easy now for them to get in there.

Speaker 4 (10:25):
It wasn't.

Speaker 1 (10:25):
It wasn't. I'm not saying they disliked us, but we did.
The only people that's popular back in the day was
Rich Pryor All Morning. It wasn't. It's so many more
comedians day is insane. But back then it was only
a few black comics. So we had to get our
own venue. And once that took off, it started spread
into Chicago, started spread into Miami. Then Bob Somethinger and

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Tina Graham, who worked with Russell Simmons, started death Jam.
Right now, what they did with death Jam, So.

Speaker 3 (10:58):
Then you think that's why they gave Russell rests will
get so much credit because he started death comedy.

Speaker 1 (11:02):
Yeah, because people don't know the history and they kind
of blew blew up. So he's gonna get there, He's
gonna get the credit, and the rest is history and
that and but by Deaf Jam starting is what got
everybody into the improvs, into the funny Bones. And that's
what That's what I always tell comedians. If you can
always try to work at a black owned comedy club

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at least two three times a year to get our people,
our black owners rich because we made everybody else rich
and we don't take the time to look out for
our own people. And that's so important to me because
I remember when we only get twenty dollars two chicken wings. Wow, yeah,
sir see, I go way back then. So commedians are

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making a lot of money now make a lot of money.
But if they knew the comedy I Q, if they
knew the history, they would say, Yo, it's my duty
to give back to back, and that's what's important. That's
what's missing you.

Speaker 4 (12:03):
You were you the first comedian to open up for Raperts.
Was there somebody?

Speaker 1 (12:07):
Yeah, there's nobody before me, and anybody could say that
nobody if you wasn't doing comedy in nineteen eighty five,
which most of them wasn't, You wasn't before me. I
started in nineteen eighty five and nineteen eighty eight, I
was on tour with n Wa.

Speaker 4 (12:22):
So what was your wildest experience being on the road
with Nwa?

Speaker 1 (12:26):
I could tell you that it was easy. Our first
day going to Indianapolis. This is for headphones. So doctor
Dre was on the plane with the boombox and he
was playing loud on the plane. Damn exactly. Flight attendant
came and said, sir, you need to turn that off.

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Doctor Dre said that's exactly what he said. Damn. So
nobody thought anything. Next thing, you heard the pilot say,
we're making emergency landing. They dropped our asses off.

Speaker 4 (13:02):
Where did you drop you all off?

Speaker 1 (13:03):
There in Arizona?

Speaker 4 (13:05):
Damn, y'all hadn't even made it halfway?

Speaker 1 (13:07):
I didn't halfway. They dropped us off, But Easy was
so rich he fort tickets and put us on another
plane and we left. But yeah, that's the that's the
crazy experience have I had? N w A.

Speaker 4 (13:19):
Is it true that a Rin slept with your old lady?

Speaker 1 (13:21):
Yeah, that's so true.

Speaker 4 (13:22):
Hold on, it was reported that you took a shop
and had a knife for ringing.

Speaker 1 (13:26):
Yo, that's so funny. The other been doing your homework.
Shut out to Wren. But he taught me the game,
you know, because I was always been a player, you know.
So you know, I flew the girl in and I'll
never get the role managers like no TK liability. You
can't bring her like can we can do it. He's
eating care So we go shopping, were hanging out. So

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because I'm the MC, I got to be there first. Yeah,
so I left after hotel. So it's six o'clock seven,
it's eight. I think she finally got there around eight.
So we do the concert and nothing. I see her.
We're doing. Hey, how you doing? Make good to see you.
Two o'clock in the morning. I get this knock on

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the door. Boom, it's easy, he says, come out, come in,
come in, I come out. He said, a Wren had
sex with your girl. Huh. And then he fell out
on the floor in the hallway and rolled Easy. Was funny.
He was funny. He rolled down the hallway and laughter.

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But because of my mindset, I had to go get
my stuff for her stuff put in the bag and
I throughout the hotel. Dang. Yeah, that was my first
lesson of being a player but getting played.

Speaker 4 (14:52):
Yeah, do you and Ren have a conversation about that?

Speaker 1 (14:54):
We see each other. We don't bring it up. We
just laugh. Yeah, we see each other. I mean I'm quiting. Sure,
he sees it. Interviews over the years. It is what
it is, you know. It was a valuable lesson.

Speaker 3 (15:04):
Well that the only time you had a young lady
taking from you, Well, she wasn't my woman. Yeah, but
but I mean you brought it in.

Speaker 1 (15:12):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I got a nice out there. Yeah.
I think that's the only time. I think that's the
only time. Yeah. But that's why it's glad you brought
this up, because men today will shoot somebody now for sure,
right yeah, or kill the girl or kill themselves.

Speaker 4 (15:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (15:30):
And what I want men to understand since Shannon brought
this up, it's a great segue into this, learn to
control your emotions because you guys get so upset that
you want to kill someone and risk your whole life
over the one woman when it's a billion people out there,

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and I want men to I know it hurts, we
know it for sure.

Speaker 3 (15:53):
It hurts, especially if you invested in her. Yeah, you know,
the more time you invest, the more you know. If
you invest money, you rest time, energy. It's just like
anything like when you're an athlete and you invest all
the training, all the eating, right, the denying yourself, going
on vacation, denying a lot of things, and so when
it doesn't work out in your favor, it hurts.

Speaker 1 (16:13):
It hurts.

Speaker 3 (16:13):
And sometimes you see athletes crying. You're like, man, what man,
it's just the game. No, it's not, because you don't
understand what I invested in in order to win this game.
And so anytime you invest time, energy, effort into something
that doesn't go your way, it hurts. You invest time,
you invest, whatever the case may be. You love your
attention into an individual, yes, and it doesn't go your way,

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it hurts, and it should be because the more invested
you are, the more it should have.

Speaker 1 (16:38):
But control your ego, because it's your egos. Was hurting, right,
I believe she did that to me. I'm me right,
and then you lose your life. And gentlemen and ladies, yes,
hold tight because they will be a better tomorrow. And
that's important for us to say that to the world

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because they crashing our hair bad. Yes, you came complimented
woman on the tattoos or complimented at leads to a
fight of killing. Yeah crazy.

Speaker 3 (17:09):
You opened up for jay Z Lil Wayne m Nelly, Outcast,
Little Cash Money, Rough Riders, DMX. What's your favorite store?
Give me a couple of your favorite stories from opening
up for because buruh, I mean you talking about you
heavyweight Jay Lil Wayne.

Speaker 4 (17:23):
Could you're talking about top five, top ten rappers?

Speaker 3 (17:25):
Easy, There's not a whole lot of There's not a
whole lot of lists that won't have whole Wayne.

Speaker 4 (17:32):
M on that list.

Speaker 1 (17:33):
Yes, I totally agree. We start with Lila Wayne. First.
I was rocking with Little Wayne and we was sixteen,
so I was like a big uncle to him, right,
and he loved me to death, and we just truly
enjoyed each other. Baby showed me how money didn't matter
when he first got his thirty millions out of deal.

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Me and a man named ron Bird. Ron Bird is
the person that introduced me to cash money. So me
and another gentleman were hanging with Baby and them the
night that we was doing a concert in New Orleans.
Right and Baby took the whole community shopping. We was
on Canal Street shopping for everybody. But then he stopped

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at a Bentley dealership. He was He bought five Bentley's
at one time. This is in the nineties, nineteen ninety nine,
nineteen ninety eight, when Bentley's wasn't even out like that,
and I was telling my man, don't look at him,
because probably gonna get us a Bentley. You know, he
has people just don't care and you don't want to
make eye contacting them, so maybe you look the other way.
You might say, I thought that was gonna happen. I

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ain't gonna lie. But it didn't happen. But we didn't
get the Bentley. But baby Baby was a baby was
something else and still a great gentleman to this day.
Jay Z. What I liked about jay Z and shout
out to j I hired him first for my birthday party, Yeah,
thirty fifth birthday party. He came, he was late. I
didn't want him to go on. And my crew that

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I was working with, everybody Zip, Frankie b Haiti and
Jack I wrote with some real powerful people back in
the day, and they said, nah tee that I'm going
I'll be a little egotistico, you know, because they we
mint coat fly.

Speaker 4 (19:11):
And he showed up lately, show up party Grace the.

Speaker 1 (19:15):
States exactly, That's exactly how was. My crew got in
my ear and said he let him go on. He
turned it out, He turned it out and him Damon dashed.
All of them was there and the love came when
he blew up. He took me on the Hard Knocked
Life Tour. Wow, so were rocking the Hard Knocked Life

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Tour and that's how I met the Cash Money and
it was just a great moment Timberling. But I liked
about Timberling. I knew his father, and Timberlin was just
getting ready to come out and I was doing inter
news on everybody's album from the Loonies to Luke to everybody,
and Timberlin just showed Mad love respect and he just

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wanted him. Missy Elliott. I truly just loved what I
was doing, and I just love this. So, I mean
it's good. I love your questions because this is giving
the conmedience who's going to watch this education on the
history of common which is very important.

Speaker 4 (20:17):
Help me understand this.

Speaker 3 (20:18):
Ray Daniels, he's in the industry, and he says he's
kind of lost some respect for Hole because Hove won't
help Dame Dash out of his financial situation. Now that
there have been times that Dame is taking an opportunity
to kind of take a dump on Hole.

Speaker 1 (20:36):
Yes, yes, and so it's kind of hard, I agree.

Speaker 3 (20:38):
When every time somebody got a microphone or a camera
in your face, you're taking a shot at me. Yes, now,
when you at your lowest, you want me to pull
you up.

Speaker 1 (20:46):
Yes, that's a good question. M I want to do
this respectfully because I love both of them.

Speaker 4 (20:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (20:57):
I truly felt what hurt Damon was he talked too much. Yeah,
and the goal in life is when you get the plug,
when you get to connect, is to shut up and
get the money. You get the money, you don't care
about the fame. And what most business people do where

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they mess up, is they want the fame. And that's
what hurt to me, Damon Dash Now that this has
happened today, man, and it hurts me that.

Speaker 4 (21:32):
That it had because he was the guy that had
it all.

Speaker 1 (21:34):
I've seen him, man, he was one of the great.
I love that dude. I've seen him on tour. I've
seen how what they came up. I remember us driving
down Park Avenue, you know, we got the fly rise,
you know, and I thought my car was flying. He
pulled up the red light with something even flyer. We
got the windows down, were talking, messed to each other.
I'll never get those days. And when I read that

(21:58):
in the article, I was hurt. But Jay Z as men. Now,
we're men, We're not seventeen nope, we're not eighteen. Back
then you find loyalty, like I'm gonna look out for
more people. But now when you have a family, you've
got mortgage, I don't care if you got a billion dollars.

Speaker 3 (22:18):
Yeah, it's gonna be hard for somebody to talk about
me in a negative light, basically every chance they get.

Speaker 1 (22:24):
But you're a man. When you're a man, unless that
person you actually agree with that person from the core,
you won't look out for him. It has to be
a special bond. And they separated because to me, too

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much talking. And that's why I was telling one of
my friends the other day about Elon Musk on the topic,
because I Elon Musk played himselves like a female. He
gave Downald Trump twenty and fifty million, but what he
should have did was shut up and lay in the cut.
But he wanted to be in all the meetings. He
wants recognition, right, he wanted to be seen and destroyed

(23:09):
his stocking his business because I got stocked in it.
His relationship with mister Trump destroyed it. I want people
to use that examples. If you ever get put on,
get your money, shut up, shut up. To this day,
you don't know who Will Smith's manager is. To this day,

(23:33):
you don't know. To this day, you have no idea
who represents Will Smith because his manager and I know him.
I'm gonna say his name moves low key and people
want always want to be recognized. Stay up, get your money,
stay low key, stay off the radars, streak.

Speaker 4 (23:53):
Let me.

Speaker 3 (23:53):
I want to pivot back to jay Z because jay Z,
although he got his start in music, he doesn't do
a whole lot of music. Now, maybe he'll jump on
somebody's feature, but for the most part, jay Z is
a businessman outside of the world of music. Yes, when
you was with him, did you did you see this
entrepreneurial side of whole.

Speaker 1 (24:11):
Thing absolutely comes on the streets. So when we were
in the streets, so all of us used to see
each other. The thing about jay Z and I always
noticed this in life, when you take care of your crew,
you get blessed. Right when jay Z turns the corner
into Bentley, his crew turns the corner and a bit right.
We did a show in Philly and they must have

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had nine Bentleys pull up backstage. I'm talking about damn
cream top Burgundy. I ain't never seen these colors in
Bentley's before Now, I got a little jewelry on. But
when they hit the stage, it lit up the stadium,
right like when the lights hit it. Y, I sound
like that, Just like that, it lit up the stadium.

(24:55):
It was like it was a different type of rainbow
type blue purple. Give me. I still remember to this
day because I'm there. So that's what I liked about
jay Z. Now in life, men and women, women, everybody's
not gonna like you, right. You can't make everybody happy, right,

(25:15):
It's impossible.

Speaker 4 (25:16):
A lot of time, the more successful you would get,
the more you disliked.

Speaker 1 (25:19):
Yeah, the more you're dislike. I had something that happened today.
The dude tell me he didn't like he didn't like me.
He said, your word doesn't mean nothing for the struggle.
And I said, I don't even know who you are.
I said, but if you need help with your credit
or need to get our little apartment, they got websites
to get you together. Because you should don't get mad at.

Speaker 4 (25:39):
Me because of your situation.

Speaker 1 (25:40):
Because my situation, like I'm old. Anybody getting mad at
me should be embarrassed. I'm damn near seventy years old,
Like to be upset with me is embarrassing. I'm damn
near seventy.

Speaker 4 (25:54):
I mean, I mean, I would never believe that.

Speaker 1 (25:56):
And let me stretch you what I mean, right, once
you get past fifty something years old, for sure? Seventy two?
Is he in like three days? Yeah? Yeah, people don't
understand that one day you fifty, you wake up seventy
something years old or sixty some years This is a fact,

(26:17):
it is. And then when you got schedules like us,
we know what we're doing three, four or five years
from now, we know what we're doing. When you have
it like that is even faster. So you play if
you want to, you know, you play one too. It
goes by fast. So that's what I liked about jay Z.
He whole crew straight right.

Speaker 3 (26:39):
You also went out on the road with m. Well
what is it about him? What I mean did you
did you where would you rank HM? Did you know em?
I mean like because he's yeah, because the thing you
look but their life had what he had, Ice has
baby and it just blew up. And he made so
much money off that one song. But im was really
the first white guy, yes to put it down. And
you know, okay, the Beastie Boys. I mean the best

(27:01):
boys back in the in the mid eighties. I remember
the Beastie Boys. But M was the first with that,
with the I mean the flow, the way he the
way he said, I mean, you're like, damn, that's he
was like for rap.

Speaker 4 (27:16):
M with the rap what Tiger Woods was to golf.

Speaker 1 (27:19):
I told thee and what at what point.

Speaker 3 (27:21):
Time Tiger Woods was the best golfer and he was black,
and M was the best rapper and he was white.

Speaker 1 (27:26):
And let me tell you to the world what I
see when you say that, to blow up, you always
need a co signer. Yes, right, you need a co signer.
I'm gonna take your way back probably before you was
born in nineteen I was born in sixth date you said, Yeah,

(27:46):
so you don't see this.

Speaker 4 (27:47):
I gotta, I got a break, I got, I got,
I got a Birthday of the week.

Speaker 1 (27:50):
Yeah. Nineteen sixty eight, a man named Barry Gordie, who
ran Motown Yeah, discovered the group called the Jackson Fire.
What Barry Gordy did was to blow the Jackson five up.
And you can google this and go on the album
I'm about to tell you on the Jackson five first

(28:13):
over it says, Dina Ross presents the Jackson five. That
was the first moment of my life. I understood co signing.

Speaker 3 (28:22):
Oh so they used Diana Ross, who already had a name,
who was already established. So basically she was co signing
for the Jackson exactly. If I'm gonna put my name
behind him, they got them, They got it.

Speaker 1 (28:32):
Be good. So now let's fast forward to Doctor Dre
Yes now dog hmm, the whole Compton move. Doctor Dre
co signed eminem DoD dre alady had the movement. If
doctor dre touched it, you must be good.

Speaker 3 (28:51):
Because he was the NBA and then he had Snoop
in the chronic so he and Tupac Tupac, Yeah, he
had him. So this guy must be good. That watch
what I'm going getting a good deal.

Speaker 1 (29:03):
I see what you That was his co signing. Now
and them is a rock star and minute Doctor dre
is still phenomenal. They find another gentleman in fifty Cold
sign them. Yeah, cold sign and said to the world, hey,
you may nothing to know who this guy is, but

(29:24):
we got the next superstar. So for fifty and Doctor
Drea co signed fifty, it was rock stardom.

Speaker 3 (29:34):
I read where Andre three thousand and three Stacks gave
you some great advice. Yes, and we're gonna talk about
this a little later, but how to deal with your
child's mom.

Speaker 1 (29:42):
Yes, yes, I was having some issues, but most of
us have ever growing up. And I remember it was
going to airport because me and I'll cast a good friend,
right right, good friends, And one day.

Speaker 4 (29:53):
Was boy, yeah, yeah, I need one of them puppies.

Speaker 1 (29:55):
Yeah. We six o'clock in the morning on through the
airport and me and him were talking, and I didn't
know whether to stay with mine. You know how we
all get when we have that the kids. You don't
want to lead the kid. You want to be there
to raise your child because you think that's the right
thing to do, especially when you're educated, because you educate.
You don't want the woman that you have a children

(30:17):
with to be a single mother. Correct, This is what
you start saying, that I don't want to be a
single mother. You know you want to be They don't women.
Some women don't know that men think that way. We
think that way to stay with the family because we
don't want you to be a single mother, and we
don't want no one else to raise our child, but
I want to be in my kid's life.

Speaker 3 (30:34):
Let me tell you what therapist told me one time.
He says, Shahn, and sometimes you can be in a
relationship with a woman, and why y'all together?

Speaker 4 (30:40):
You're a single man.

Speaker 1 (30:41):
Yep, so true. So I told him that, and I
remember this and I share this with people. Right. He said, TK,
you gotta choose which pain you want. Mmm, that's what
he said. You gotta choose which pain you want, understand it.

(31:01):
So one day a great, big situation happened, and it
had to happen that way because I'm into quantum figss,
I'm into the universe, I'm into God. And me and
her had a big blowout and it was the greatest
thing that ever happened, because I probably would have kept
coming back if it wouldn't have happened that way. And

(31:23):
I'm here to tell young men and women sometimes it's
good to go separate ways. You think the kids want
you all to be together, and they probably do, but
sometimes it's best just to get away at Yeah, and
believe it or not, you'll you'll live, you will grow,

(31:43):
you will become better depending on your determination of life.
You will educate yourself to become a better man, better woman.
And I'm here today to say that because I've actually
lived it. And that's why I always tell young men
social media, you could be twenty five, twenty nine, forty two,

(32:05):
even in the fifties, and that says nothing you could
tell me. I'm damn near seventy. I'm here to tell
you because I look young. It's a different curse. They
if you don't know me, you think I'm this young
kid talking. But I've seen it all and the best
thing sometimes is let your baby moms go on her way,
you move on with your life, and the kids gonna

(32:28):
love it down the line because they get two Christmases,
two birthdays when.

Speaker 3 (32:32):
Because sometimes I mean, you try to stay to make
it work, and all you do is argue that's not
good for the child. So you realize that, you know,
you get pushed away and you're not there every day,
and that's not good for the child. So you're kind
of dealing with a basic dilemma too, equally perplexing situations.
If I stay as bad, if I go, it's bad.
Damn it's crazy.

Speaker 1 (32:53):
I totally agree, and I actually lived it, and I
can honestly tell people everything the universe threw at me.
I took it and built it thrick by brick and
hear him the day on Shannon Shop.

Speaker 4 (33:10):
We appreciate you having you. Also was on the You
tour with DMX.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
H DMX is my man. Yeah, God bless him to
this day. DMX is the greatest solo rapper I've ever
seen in my life. Really, nobody can touch him. If
I had to go solo rap artists, DMX number one,

(33:37):
because he didn't have background dancers. It was just him
a jumpsuit while the dog called collar and a mic
and and some towns he'll hop on the speakers, he'll
run through the stage, he'll run through the audience, and

(33:57):
I remember watching him. Not today. You appreciate it because
when you're young, but when you get to our age,
you go wow. I was here for a special moment
and he was phenomenal. I would put as a solo
DMX as a duo buster rhymes. Really listen to me.

Speaker 3 (34:21):
Have you seen anybody since DMX have that kind of
energy on stage of the rapper?

Speaker 1 (34:25):
Not at all. Even though I love what Atlanta is doing.
They have their own movement, their own style, but it's
just something about the people that came up in the
eighties and nineties and rap that was just phenomenal. The
DC Nelly, all these guys was just phenomenal. I mean,

(34:48):
they paved the way for these kids today doing what
they're doing. But DMX was amazing and like I said,
Buster rhymes them, nobody want to follow that dude. He
was that good because he performed right right, he performed.
And then Oakland had they had Too Short and Too
Short had what I call that street swagger that was

(35:13):
missing in the world. Now, let's just say, if Eminem
and Doctor J were to co signed Too Short, he'd
have been a rock star. Wow, he would have been
a rock star. But it's all based on marketing. It's
all about you got the machine behind you, and that's
the difference in success.

Speaker 3 (35:31):
Tupacin Big, you had a relationship with both of those
guys and you were with them days before they passed.

Speaker 1 (35:37):
That's crazy, let's get you know that. Yeah, they died
in different years.

Speaker 4 (35:46):
You're apart.

Speaker 3 (35:46):
One of the ninety six and the other was like
March of ninety seven.

Speaker 1 (35:49):
But very Yeah, I've been blessed to be both sides
of the game. Big and Us is type me, little
Kim even Puff you know before the freak offs right,
you know? And don't everybody know Puff used to throw
some of the best parties in the game in the
early nineties. God bless him in his situation. What I've

(36:10):
learned in life through when people are in trouble, don't
wish him well, wish them, don't wish him bad, Just
to say, I wish that person the best, and thank
god it ain't me, and you move on about it. Biggie,
I was with him today he died, but Tupac had
died first, and Tupac me right Vegas. It was me, Tupac,

(36:35):
Mike Tyson. We all hung out during that day and
after the fight, we went was going to Club six
six or Sugar was throwing a party. But my dumb
but again, I was working out and I took some
fat burner pills. Don't know why I'm not fat. I

(36:56):
took that burn but I'll never forget it.

Speaker 4 (36:57):
If you living, that's.

Speaker 1 (37:00):
Took the burn pills. But I didn't know you couldn't
drink alcohol with it. I drank alcohol later that afternoon.
So as we're going to the party, I leave them
because I'm not feeling good. Like whatever that fat Bernard did.
It did something that I never experienced for because like

(37:22):
you can actually feel it in your skin. Ye Oh man,
it was. It was painful. I stayed in the hotel
like a week. So I saw the Tupac thing on
the news that he got shot. I was like, wow,
it's crazy and I saw I say, he's gonna be
all right. And when I started getting well, that's when
I found out he had died. So I had to

(37:44):
fly from Vegas to Charlotte to do a show. Yeah. Later,
I'm hanging with Lady note black Nor, who was Puppy's
assistant at the time, and we're hanging out, Biggie and
all of us having a good times. I had a
comedy show that night at the comedy theater that the

(38:06):
guy Michael Williams own, And when we went to the
party on Little Breer it was at the Museum. I'll
never get BIGGI was like, t K, you be go
do your show. But the party was amazing. Oh, sharing
this party that night, it was amazing.

Speaker 3 (38:25):
In those situations, TK, did you did the day see?
Did anything seem off? Did it seem like a normal
Saturday or normal Friday or whatever.

Speaker 4 (38:32):
The day the case. Maybe did anything seem off or
just seemed like a normal day.

Speaker 1 (38:36):
It seemed like a normal day. But I saw all
the street guys. I's all the gang members there. Everybody
was in suit stuff, right, I said, a ship, This
shit ain't gonna last. That's what I felt, right, So
I wound up me and I'm always pulling women. It's
not the three girls. We get in the whip and
I go through my show, but we're coming right back.
I got a certain time I gotta be there. I'm
going I'm coming back, said, I'm coming back, coming down

(38:59):
Woolsher see all the police cars, and my man said,
k Biggie got shot. They can't get shot. The brushing
it off. I go hang out with Outcasts because they
on Sunset Boulevard getting ready to do their album release,

(39:19):
and I wound up hosting their party. After I'm hosting
the party, I walked into this other room and I'm
looking out on Sunset Boulevard. I'm just staring. I said,
maybe Biggie did get shot. Hopped in the car, and
something just told me to go to SI Night Hospital

(39:40):
see Side Night. And I walked up to Leo thee
shout out to Lada and talked ten years. She said
Biggie died and I said what And I was just
standing there and I never kept staying at this hotel
in Culver City, and I went in and caught my
mom and told that Biggie had died. And the reason

(40:03):
why I called my mother because my brother died in
nineteen ninety five. But he Biggie got shot on the
day my brother's birthday. It was March ninth, so that
was my brother's birthday, even though he was the CISA,
And I was talking to my mom about that, and
that was the story. I've been in some crazy situations

(40:26):
with people in their death. Even when my guy was
fathers from the Old Jays Okay, yeah, what's his name? Okay,
his father's OJ's both of them passed away. He said,
the beard have you said, dude, Lavert jer Vert? Yeah,

(40:46):
so me and the jailer birth is probably do these
years later and jerli Vert dies before the night before
we do our concert. And I just never forget that,
to see these gentlemen passed away in my journey of entertainment,
And like I said, you've seen so much depth that

(41:10):
affects everybody different.

Speaker 4 (41:11):
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 1 (41:12):
And it's something that you said that was very important.
I appreciate this shit because I've been doing this since
I was burying people, since ibusly loving. So I don't
take nothing for granted. And I know people can pull
you away from it. People can really bring you down
to their level and destroy your life. And what people
need to understand is don't allow no one to destroy

(41:34):
your life. You got to love yourself that much. And
what David Cleiman had taught me, he said, TK, you're
not afraid of nothing. I said, what do you mean?
He said, you're not afraid to go to jail. He said,
you got to be afraid. He says, nothing wrong with
being afraid, be afraid that you don't end up there.

(41:57):
And I've always took that for the rest of my life.

Speaker 4 (42:00):
Are you surprised?

Speaker 3 (42:01):
Biggie went to Cali considering that he knew how the
West Coast felt about East Coast and East Coast felt
about West Coast, especially because, like you said, Tupac had
just died.

Speaker 4 (42:12):
I mean it wasn't even a year.

Speaker 3 (42:14):
I think Tupac died in like September October, and here
it was March, and Biggie is in Cali knowing how
the West coast failed about the East coast.

Speaker 1 (42:23):
It's called inexperience. When you don't know, you think everything's
gonna be okay. Everything ye right. So when my boy
got locked up, saying that he was the guy with
the situation behind bigger getting killed, my business, my partner,
my street gut everybone.

Speaker 4 (42:44):
Zip.

Speaker 1 (42:46):
They said Puffy had gave everybody Zip a million, and
Zip never gave it to the people to do the shooting.
But the shooting happened, right, so everybody Zip died. But
they knew me and him was a partners. So the
room on the street was I had got the million
because me and him was tight. But I want everybody
know I don't know nothing about no money. That was it.

Speaker 3 (43:08):
You've also been preaching on the album you worked with
Missy Elliott, Madonna, Gwen Stefani, and I want to get
to ask you this. But when I go back and
I think of Missy, I think of creativity. Yes, I
think of the videos. I think she was ahead of
her time. I don't think she gets the credit that
she deserves. And that's not a knock on anybody that's

(43:29):
currently that's in the genre that she's in. But Missy
was way ahead of her time. She was futuristic.

Speaker 1 (43:35):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (43:35):
Absolutely, she's twenty eighty five and it happened to be
in the nineties early two thousand when she was doing
her thing.

Speaker 1 (43:40):
I told her she was creative in the videos. She
was very unique, very creative, and I love that about it.
I mean you can say is she was great. I mean,
you have the female rappers today and they're good knock nobody,
but everything in the nineties when it came to hip hop,

(44:03):
it was on a whole nother level, whole another level,
and it's good to know. I'm glad. So now it's
part of it, you.

Speaker 4 (44:09):
Know what I want. That's what I want to ask you.

Speaker 3 (44:14):
People say, like somebody can do an album, like, man,
you do an album and you're really good, you have success,
but I want to see him do something else. He
does something else, man, I want the old guy back.
I mean it's yeah, it's like you know change, you know,
it's inevitable, yes, and you know you see an actor, man,
that's all he does is that. I want to see

(44:35):
him do something else. And then when he does, he
or she does something else, man, I don't like. I
want him to see the old things. So how do
we get Because you see a lot of a lot
of rappers, a lot of entertainers, be at R and
B whatever the case may be, they try to expand
kudos to Beyonce. Yes, because I don't know if I
would have had to go country, which is so far

(44:57):
away from the genre that she's in.

Speaker 4 (45:00):
And she says, I don't care, I'm gonna do it.

Speaker 3 (45:03):
Do you understand the hoods for the courage that it
takes to do what she did, because I don't know
if I don't know if I can honestly say I've
seen someone do it to the level I'm here, but
now I'm gonna go way over here and get the
acclaim and the adoration that she's.

Speaker 1 (45:20):
There, and that's you hit that right under now. Most
people don't understand how hard that is to do because
it's very it's possibly yeah, and she's actually done it.

Speaker 4 (45:31):
She's actually done you know.

Speaker 3 (45:33):
And the tour, I guess the tour has done so
that nineteen sold I showed all the money that she's
been able to accumulate. But I don't think she did
it for the money. I think I think she strikes
me as a young as a woman that likes to
challenge herself.

Speaker 1 (45:46):
It seems that way. It definite says you gotta like
a challenge, TK. If you do that, now, yeah, you
have to. For her to go way country, amazing, It's
truly amazing. I met her, I met Beyonce say a
few times, beautiful woman, stunning, and I'm glad jay Z

(46:07):
pulled her. Yeah, yeah he pulled because a lot of
people's after her, you know. And I remember all of
us saying out Aliyah, Beyonce, A Dan, the Lewis God,
bless the God, bless Ananda, and I've seen everything from
Lane in the cut, you know, because they used to

(46:28):
always say t K. You like the headline because I
always kept a bad breathing on me, you know what
I'm saying. So they was like, who is t K?
Because I always kept a following. I kept one, kept one,
no doubt about it.

Speaker 3 (46:42):
Let me ask you a question that the TK, because
you you've been, like you said, you've been at this
thing since the eighties.

Speaker 4 (46:49):
What happened to the music video?

Speaker 3 (46:50):
You know, like the music video with you? Yes and
Missy we go back to Missy but the black men.
I missed the days of MTV or in whatever the
case be. When I saw the music, I get excited
the song and I'm like, oh man, I can't wait.
I can't wait for that. Yes, I can't wait to
see what this video is gonna be. What happened to
the music video?

Speaker 1 (47:11):
AI? AI changed the game They started in the music business,
so many executives lost their job. They cut down the budgets.
Now they want artists to be pretty much famous before
they take you on. Because social media YouTube, they won't

(47:31):
know how many the YouTube followers you have, how many
songs got played. It's big numbers, right, So nobody wants
to work no more. Nobody wants to even it's just nothing.

Speaker 4 (47:43):
Well, if I build it up, I don't really need you.

Speaker 3 (47:45):
If I'm gonna be on my YouTube channel, I'm gonna
build up my social media, my ig, my Twitter, my threads,
or whatever the case may be.

Speaker 4 (47:52):
TikTok. Why the hell I need you?

Speaker 3 (47:54):
If I got all this, if I got across the board,
I got thirty million, why do I need you.

Speaker 1 (47:59):
I respect what you're saying, but most men don't think
the way you think. Oh, I think they think they
need someone. And in today's world, you don't need a
code signer. Today, you got your phone today, you can
really market yourself and be a young boy. Is the

(48:19):
prime example of what I'm saying, multi multi, multi millionaire,
and he doesn't need nobody, and you don't see no hardly,
no videos. Only thing. He had his little his own
personal problem, but he was very successful at it. So
when people come to me and say, TK what do
you think I'm trying to get on? I said, why

(48:40):
are you trying to get signed? I said, you could
do it, y'all, y'all do it yourself, don't you know?
I had wanted to do Netflix and I still do
want to do it because the people are so brainwashed
they think to make it you have to be on that.
But I have my own network called tkkirk tk dot network.

Speaker 3 (49:03):
Well, I mean you saw what a sadik did? You
saw what are the jay is? Some people are just
doing it and going on YouTube, So you theory I
mean you could do that is. I mean, look, I
think Netflix is a wonderful platform. They do an unbelievable job.
But I think the thing is now, in today's time,
you can.

Speaker 1 (49:19):
Do it yourself and you cut out the middle man.
You know what your cover of your project is going
to be, Yeah, you know the date that you want
to release it. That's important to me because one thing,
I never had an agent, never had a manager, really
never done everything on my own. And I just don't

(49:40):
like the fact you have to call someone and wait
for them to call you back, or someone to say
that out of the country, or someone say they're doing
something when what you're about to ask them is on
to go take thirty seconds. But because they took a week,
two weeks, maybe a month, you get frustrated. I never
like that. So when I've always been my own man.

(50:04):
So when I snatched up d L. Hugeley, when I
stashed up Godfrey, when I snatched up Mike Apps, Sandra Bullock,
I taught all of them the game, you know, because
I was in the streets. I had to really stay
low key because my partner is Tommy Cestero and David Cleman,
two Jewish guys who loved them very dearly. I was confused,

(50:27):
young kid. They pretty much said, TK, you got to
fall back because you're about to about money. That's about
to say because you don't know what you want to
do yet, but you ain't gonna right. So but he said,
TK is gonna be the easiest money you'll ever make
in your life. But nothing got done unless they rane
it past me. That's what I liked about these gentlemen.

(50:49):
So everything from Sandra Bullock.

Speaker 4 (50:51):
You know when we did Night Little, you had a
nice little.

Speaker 1 (50:55):
Not just her. I had Anthony, Michael Hall, Wow, John Lucasamo,
all these guys on the artistry management. But because of
me going through what I was going through at that time,
I had to stay low key. I was still getting
a check right. So it teaches you things. But I've
always taught independence, are always taught ownership. It's just like

(51:18):
you running your own podcast. You're your own boss. And
we want to show men and women to put themselves
in position to be on. I hate that somebody got
to say to someone. I got to speak to my
boss on Tuesdays, see if I can make my son's
graduation right. No disrespect, no man to me. She had
to live like that. That's just me.

Speaker 3 (51:39):
Well, I think the thing is, how do you see yourself?
Do you see yourself as talent or you see yourself
as ownership? That's true, talent, they cut you a check.
You do collabse well.

Speaker 1 (51:47):
One rule I got I signed in front of the check.

Speaker 4 (51:50):
Yeah, yeah, my name is in the top left.

Speaker 1 (51:54):
Yes, I signed check. That's something that I truly believe in.
I signed the front of the check.

Speaker 4 (52:01):
TK. When you came up comedians, basically you had to
hit the circuit. You're black.

Speaker 3 (52:07):
You probably started out on the Chicklin circuit and you
go to these little small clubs. Maybe there were twenty
thirty people in their piling and you tell you get
ten five, ten minutes, and you keep it moving. You
probably fifteen twenty shows a week, Yes, because.

Speaker 4 (52:21):
You're just trying to make it true.

Speaker 3 (52:23):
Now you see comedians they can get on and do
a skit on social media.

Speaker 4 (52:29):
And blow up just like that.

Speaker 3 (52:31):
It is so different now than what it was then.
What do you like now about this new the new comedians?

Speaker 1 (52:38):
What is it?

Speaker 3 (52:39):
Because I mean I get different results. I mean something like, yeah,
it's easy to do a skit, and it's easy to
be good for a year, But can you be good
and you're five, you be year? Good's I can say
nineteen twenty thirty. I'm looking from my entrepreneur thing. I
believe that things change, right Jake Paul and boxing. Yeah right,

(53:01):
but he and his brother doing the same in comedy. Right,
you created a gimmick and you won at the end
of the day. I always tell people when you're in
line at the bank, the teller doesn't care how you
got your money.

Speaker 1 (53:14):
You could be a whole he could be a thief.

Speaker 4 (53:18):
Yeah, because Lord looked the same as Green.

Speaker 1 (53:20):
All looked the same. So everybody gets they money a
different way.

Speaker 4 (53:23):
Correct.

Speaker 1 (53:24):
I respect what happened for him, wish him the best.
I'm on the other side of the mountain, so I'm
not really I don't care about certain things, right, I
just live life. I see things change. I just know
that I took care of me. I look amazing from
my age. Right. I'm healthy. I go to the doctor
every I don't go to doctor once a year. I
go to doctor every four months. Yeah, because I don't

(53:45):
want nothing catching me slipping like I'm that kind of man. Right,
So it's good to see it. And I wished all
the do.

Speaker 3 (53:53):
You like me anything? Start to feel bad? Man, ain't
nothing wrong with you. I want the doctor to tail me.

Speaker 1 (53:57):
Nothing wrong with you. You ain't got no mate, I
ain't got no game. I love life shatting so much
that I don't play with it. Right, I beat the odds,
Like I told you off air, I really love this Yo.
I love life. I'm not gonna let nobody take it
away from me. I'm not gonna let nobody pull me

(54:20):
down to their level of disrespect because I've been in jail.
I've been my life almost taken away. I told the
story of years ago one time I got locked up
in LA and didn't care about it now, but it's
interesting today. The Menendaz Brothers is in my chamber. Damn

(54:45):
who's in protective custody? See, most people think you're punk
if you protective custody, But what LA does is if
you're famous, you go there because they don't want to
deal with general population. So it's the Menendas Brothers, Rick James, Tupac,
and me all in the same cell that week, so

(55:09):
you could still hear other people talk. And what they
said to me. This is hilarious. Scott is saying that
they said, t K tell us a joke, because you know,
Rick James really loved me, and I said, I ain't
telling a joke. ONNA fight the case right.

Speaker 4 (55:24):
It tried to be funny.

Speaker 1 (55:25):
Listen to me. Do you know the motherfuckers booed me
and l a kind of I'll never forget that I'm
talking about. It had to be two hundred some people
booed me. Yo, it was like the garden. It was
that loud, I'll never forget. And I wound up telling

(55:46):
some joke and they loved it. And I never forget that.

Speaker 3 (55:50):
You gotta be the only, the only, the only, the
only Nija that got booed in jail.

Speaker 1 (55:55):
I got booed, U boo, I mean that got booed? Wow?
How did you? How did you meet Mike Yeps, Mike Gaps?
I loved that gentleman. When I was touring, I used
to go in the clubs and right before I would
go on, I always sat in the back and watch comics. Now,

(56:18):
my blueprint was Easy and those guys, because Easy was
an entrepreneur and I knew that I had a different
style of comedy and I needed comics. That was gonna
I was gonna bring on to get him a TV
and film to help pave the way. And I was

(56:39):
gonna be the sling shot, come right behind them, right right.
That was my goal. So I watched Mike Gaps for
a year, and I felt like he wasn't ready. When
I came back the following year, I saw him again.
It was him and the gentleman, the Nard. They both
were good. I used to cease them, and I had
a choice to see which person I was going to pick,

(57:04):
and I talked to Mike Caps. I said, Yo, come
meet me in New York. He believe him. I got
him New York, stayed at my business manager's apartment, and
boomed the vessel's history. And he went on to be very, very,
very successful. And I you know, I know Mike for
so long and just to see his achievements is just

(57:26):
a blessing. So that's that's That's pretty much how I
met Mike. It was at the Atlanta Comedy Theater in Atlanta, Georgia,
way back in the day, like nineteen ninety nineteen ninety one.

Speaker 3 (57:36):
It seems to be a lot of natural. The progression
is a comedian starts on stage and then he goes
into the movies. Yes, you know Richard pryor, yes, Eddie Murphy.
I mean, there's been so many. Who is it Bernie
mac Bernie? We see, said the entertained as you know,

(57:59):
even cat there have been so many d l.

Speaker 4 (58:06):
Of TV. Yeah, sure it is is that? Is that?
What was that? Something?

Speaker 1 (58:11):
That is that?

Speaker 3 (58:12):
A natural progression is that you see you guy, because
you're used to performing, you can perform.

Speaker 4 (58:16):
In front of it.

Speaker 3 (58:17):
You know, a thousand, two thousand and five thousand people.
You definitely can perform in front of a camera, in
front of the audience two hundred people.

Speaker 1 (58:24):
Easy. Two things. One, I never cared. I had this philosophy.
I pretty much taught those guys the game. And I
was had a choice. When you go for an audition,
somebody's about to make a choice on your life. They
have to like you out of all these people that
your everybody's audition for the same spot. I never wanted

(58:45):
to be a part of that competition really never. My
thing was what's real. What's real was doing the show
and the money was in my hand. This was maybe
I got to get somebody to like me. It's levels
to entertainment. Then let's say you get the gig. You

(59:06):
have to do a pilot. Now the executives of the
company have to like you to give you a green light.
Then if you get on air, you have to hope
that the Midwestern and the rest of the country because
it's all about ratings to the rest of the country.
Like like you, I couldn't put my life in those

(59:30):
people's hands.

Speaker 3 (59:31):
You look, you want inftant money. I get on the stage,
henv me my check, heaving my cash your check, how
well we would pay?

Speaker 1 (59:37):
And I'm more successful than the people who have done
TV in film. Wow. See what the illusion is that
everybody thought because you saw such in a movie or
such as a TV show, that they was rich. But
I played. I bet it on me every day. I
may not have done what Kevin Harts and most comics

(59:59):
have done, and most comedians who don't most people in
this country and world who don't have a high comra,
I Q that's how they base success. You have to
be on TV. I went for the bread. I knew
how to do stocks, I knew how to save and
it paid off. So when I talked to certain people,

(01:00:20):
I said, Yo, you're a millionaire. What do you mean?
I said, dog, I know you a millionaire. I'm not
gonna say what I got, but I know I got
an M behind my name. Wow, I know I got
M right, I know I got M and it's not.
One thing I've learned in life is not how much

(01:00:41):
you make, It is how much you can keep.

Speaker 4 (01:00:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:00:44):
See, I flost a little bit, and you know I
got little stuff I put.

Speaker 4 (01:00:47):
I mean is the thing?

Speaker 3 (01:00:49):
I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:00:50):
You work hard.

Speaker 4 (01:00:51):
I mean, look, we didn't come to stay.

Speaker 1 (01:00:53):
That's so true.

Speaker 4 (01:00:55):
Boy, boy, we ain't come to stay.

Speaker 1 (01:00:57):
That's right.

Speaker 3 (01:00:58):
I'm not gonna be frivolous, Yes, but I think I
should enjoy myself. I enjoy yourself because guess what, you know?
What you notice once and then once I got into
position TK and out and I will know what you
think about this is that I started to notice people
people saying people enjoy your money more than you.

Speaker 1 (01:01:16):
They damn sure do.

Speaker 3 (01:01:18):
So while I'm sitting here saving, I can't buy this
and I can't do that. I promise you if you
when you go from here and you leave it to
somebody else, they gonna enjoy it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:29):
They're gonna enjoy it. And that's why I teach my
kids respect money. Yes, and my business partner, David Cleammen,
used to always say, TK, don't you get old and
be broke? Oh? Yes, bad? He said, don't you get
old and be broken? I want people to listen to

(01:01:49):
what I'm saying. It's not a good look. You play,
You play with your life all you want, all your
camera people, all you're listening people that's gonna be watching.
And it's worse now.

Speaker 4 (01:02:04):
Cause it ain't gonna be no medicaid, ain't no medicare.

Speaker 1 (01:02:07):
Yeah, it's worse now. It's about to we about to
see something. I mean you older men, We're about to
see something we've never seen before. And it's coming. And
if you didn't respect money, right, if you didn't respect
your health, you're done. I don't know, I'll say it.

(01:02:33):
I read a lot and over eighty percent of this
country don't even have five thousand dollars in the bank account.
I read that you saw whatever, right, Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:02:46):
What was like if if you have like ten thousand
and no debt, you're in like the top the country,
ten thousand, ten thousands with no debt.

Speaker 1 (01:03:01):
It's insane and I we can't save the world. Right,
hurts me sometimes I'm being honest, right, sometimes, which I
could do every something for everybody, right. I wish I
had Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos money and I would
give everybody a check. But that's not the way. Yeah,
but but I do.

Speaker 4 (01:03:21):
But you you like me?

Speaker 3 (01:03:22):
You like I'm like that TK, cause I got a
heart and I hate to see people struggling.

Speaker 1 (01:03:27):
Like but I can't save. And we live in the
world of social media. Everybody lies. People get on my
social media's some women I got, I got three kids,
I need blah blah blah, and you don't know whether
to believe them because so many people lie, and you
don't want to, like I don't want to get played right,

(01:03:48):
And then if I take a deep I'm like, yo,
you you had sex to three men, and you're struggling
your choices.

Speaker 4 (01:03:54):
Probably like you probably struggling with the first one. Exactly,
put yourself back in that situation for the segment.

Speaker 1 (01:04:00):
Men about caliber. We don't like to make decisions like that, Like,
I don't know, I don't want to be in that situation.
All I could do is just pray for some men
reach out to me. Hating you know who you and
know all this and I met the movies now he
got a Texas dudes out of nowhere was f you

(01:04:21):
And because of my exactly, I said, how is it?
How was it in that small apartment? I said, how
are you doing that small apartment like I had to
mess with though I don't know you. I don't know you.
And to the people listening at you for a situation, yeah,
don't be mad at me because I worked through my thing.

(01:04:44):
One dude talking about you, we don't care about you.
You don't represent the struggle. I don't want to have
nothing to do with the struggle.

Speaker 4 (01:04:50):
Yeah, but I struggled.

Speaker 1 (01:04:51):
I struggle. Yeah, I'm in my Like I said, I'm
close to seventy. I want all of you people to
work hard and make it. I promise you, because it's
a beautiful thing when you overcome and achieve. Like I

(01:05:14):
told some gentlemen that you don't become a man until
you're forty two years old, and one dude said, I'm
a man now at twenty nine. And when I said,
you got to be in your fifties and sixties to
look back. You gotta have that much knowledge in life.

Speaker 4 (01:05:29):
You get to have some different distance.

Speaker 1 (01:05:31):
To see when you became a man. You ain't a
man at twenty nine. You might be responsible, you might
have kids, you might have bought a home.

Speaker 4 (01:05:41):
I haven't lived long enough.

Speaker 1 (01:05:42):
Haven't lived long enough. You got to be in our
age rack Bracket to look back to know when that happened.

Speaker 4 (01:05:51):
But you know a lot of times people see where
we are and not where we came from.

Speaker 1 (01:05:55):
True.

Speaker 4 (01:05:55):
And I said something.

Speaker 3 (01:05:56):
I was on nightcap with Ocho, and I said, you
never judge a man by where he's standing, because you
don't know how far he's come.

Speaker 1 (01:06:01):
That's so true.

Speaker 4 (01:06:02):
So you look at somebody that's laying on the street,
but yesterday he was under the bridge.

Speaker 1 (01:06:06):
So true.

Speaker 3 (01:06:07):
So while you judge me from where I am, do
you know where I've come from? You look at you say,
well he's a failure. No, there's just delayed success. Yes, right,
I'm on a success story. Yes, And so I think
the thing is when people get upset, oh you got this,
you got that. But do you see from nineteen sixty

(01:06:28):
eight to nineteen eighty eight when I didn't have that?

Speaker 1 (01:06:30):
Right? And it's all the old game, right, remember was
coming up? We saw the older men and women successful. Yeah,
and they worked hard. You saw mister Williams and he's
opened the door for his wife, but they just went
to church. He got the nice coat on and the
nice slacks, and you could tell he's walking with success.

(01:06:52):
He earned it.

Speaker 5 (01:06:52):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:06:53):
See, when hip hop came run wrong with hip hop,
it changed the mindset of the world. Everybody thought you
can get successful overnight, but ody most millionaires are created
in their sixties, fifties and sixties. If you can get
money your twines in the thirties, I'm happy for you,
but it be you keep it in the forties and fifties.
Here's the curse. When I saw the o Kellys, the

(01:07:23):
Puffy Combs, most young young, most young singers and rappers
who got rich in their twenties, it created ego, and
the ego all came back to bite them in they
ass when they became a man. When I saw people

(01:07:50):
success come later because they truly earned it. You see, character, respect, honor,
Most people don't have at And that's why we have
the issues that we have, from Sugar to Puffy to Kelly. Right,

(01:08:10):
because the ego got in the way and it destroyed them.
And I've seen it even when you when people's hustling
and they came into money, if it messed up their
ego and destroyed them. And if you take your time,

(01:08:32):
you may not seem like you could do it now,
but one day you will be sixty something years old.
And if you take care of so you won't be
a fat, old slav or old guy. You'll still have
some type of health, right and you but you hope
you can be sixty. You hope. You hope that's not
promised to you when we notice.

Speaker 3 (01:08:50):
Yeah, because everybody, everybody got an apartment, they can't reschedule.

Speaker 1 (01:08:53):
That's right.

Speaker 4 (01:08:54):
You just don't know where it is, that's right.

Speaker 1 (01:08:56):
But all you can do with the universe is extend
your contract, so you take care of your health. The
universe wants to see you win. If you do right,
they'll extend another three weeks of another three sixty five, right,
That's how I see the universe. They want to see
you win. You are the person sabotage in your life.

Speaker 3 (01:09:17):
Right if you could cate recreate any decade. And you're like,
you're sixty, so you've been around for six decade. If
you can recreate any decade, what decade would you recreate now?

Speaker 4 (01:09:30):
Right now?

Speaker 1 (01:09:31):
Yes, sir, because all the things I went through when
I was coming up people, you know, I think he
was a bad person, you think he was on the
on the wrong path of life. Then you get to
be my age and you understand the universe. Right, So

(01:09:54):
the universe is set me here to teach me these
lives lessons. And you can't teach nobody nothing. They've ain't
been through nothing. So everything I went through made me
the man I am today. I'm happy, I'm healthy, I'm independent,

(01:10:19):
kids have graduated from college, I got grandkids. I live
to see that. You understand what I mean. I live
to see it. People were watching us, they won't make
it to that, or they have grandchildren already at a
young age. But there's nothing like it the way to me,

(01:10:41):
the way you're really supposed to go. You're supposed to
get your grandkids in your fifties and sixties, that at thirty,
that at forty. Right, it's just being honest, right, you know,
because you want to have so much wisdom and knowledge
that you can teach your grandchildren something. If you haven't
grandkids in your forties, you pretty much they don't see
the nonsense that you still have in your life. And

(01:11:04):
that's just not I don't.

Speaker 4 (01:11:06):
Agree with that. You met early in your career, Keenan,
Richard Pryor Prince. What was it like to meet?

Speaker 3 (01:11:16):
I mean, they weren't at the level that they became
so you got them in their early years. Yes, and
to see them, to see Keenan Iry Williams and to
see what he created with a living color, and you
see him you know him and Robert Townsend writing, and
you see what he's been able to do with his brothers,
Marlon and Sean and Damon. You see Richard Pryor goes

(01:11:40):
without saying.

Speaker 4 (01:11:41):
And Prince the way he could write, to play all
the instruments, could entertain.

Speaker 3 (01:11:47):
He's one of one and we might not ever see
anything like totally agree.

Speaker 4 (01:11:53):
Did you understand that you were in the presence of greatness?

Speaker 1 (01:11:58):
Then no, he took it for granted because we didn't
know because we were kids, right. Prince was a phenomenal guy,
saw his career take off. But Prince used to have
a club in Minnesota that he used to do comedy
shows because he was a big fan of comedy and
loved TK. I get excited when I tell how these

(01:12:20):
interviews because I started thinking about what I've accomplienced. Shit
is amazing.

Speaker 4 (01:12:25):
Did he have the club before Graham slam or first
af after after?

Speaker 1 (01:12:30):
And he was just amazing. I remember being in the
studio and he had like twenty pieces of equipment. Here,
go to each one to set it up. Yeah, you know,
you know that's impressive now. Back then you just think
that's what. Yeah, it's insane when you talk about Richard Pryor.

(01:12:52):
I was getting my master's degree at cal State Northridge
in California. I lived on Parthenia Avenue. I lift two
doors from rich Prior. Didn't even know it at the time.
He did two doors down for me. I was on
the track scholarship, so they had me this beautiful home
on Parthenia and I got to meet Richard Pryor down

(01:13:13):
the line and me being crazy, I always say I
wish I could have saw him running down Parthenia on fire,
because I would have told him I need a certain
amount of money. I would throw this warter on it.
You know, that was almost my inside joke, you know,
I wish I saw him on fire so I could
bargain with him to get a few dollars. Crazy story

(01:13:34):
and Keenan to this day is the Kennedy's of comedy.
I'll say the Kennedy's and the Jackson Five. He understood
the game. He took care of his family.

Speaker 4 (01:13:54):
He put Damon and Marlin last one cam.

Speaker 1 (01:13:59):
Yes, every last one, which was phenomenal. And when you
grow up in the family you see brothers and sisters arguing,
you think that might be the way the world's supposed
to be. And then it's the Wayans, and they show
you how family is supposed to take care of each
other because of Keenan. Mostly all them are millionaires because

(01:14:23):
of Keenan. Most of them have a job. And I've
seen it all right, and I haven't seen Keenan in years.
But he put me in I'm gonna get you sucker.
He put me in I'm Gonna get your sucker. And
I wasn't really really doing stand up at that time,

(01:14:46):
but he liked me as a person. Robert Townsend put
me in the Black to bowl the Beautiful. He loved
me as a comedian. I played the butler and the
black to bowl the Beautiful. And here talking to you, Shad,
And I'm just so thankful about.

Speaker 3 (01:15:06):
Whatever accomplished, because I think the thing is is like
when you're an athlete, or you anytime, any anything, and
you have success, I don't know if you really get
an opportunity to enjoy it while you're in it. I
totally agree, because you don't want it to go away.
So I got to stay focused on this. And then
when you're done, and as you get older, you're getting
to your forties and the career is starting to dwindle

(01:15:26):
down and you're not doing it as much. You're getting
to your fifties or sixties. You're still doing comedy and
hopefully you can continue it for as long as you want.
But sometimes, like when you're in stuff, I really never
appreciated my career when I was in it because I
was too caught up in it and I was so
afraid that it might go away.

Speaker 4 (01:15:42):
So I didn't get an opportunity to enjoy it, like, man,
I want a Super Bowl, I did this.

Speaker 1 (01:15:45):
Or I did that.

Speaker 3 (01:15:46):
Now I get an opportunity to look back, you know,
twenty plus years after my career, and I was like, damn, I.

Speaker 4 (01:15:51):
Guess I guess I was.

Speaker 1 (01:15:52):
Okay, I guess that's so true. It's a beautiful feeling, man,
I love it. Yeah, beautiful feeling. And people always want
to know when I'm getting married. That's been this big thing.

Speaker 4 (01:16:03):
I told you.

Speaker 1 (01:16:04):
I'm going to say it on your show. I've been
married now over thirty years.

Speaker 4 (01:16:11):
Oh, you're back to the game of comedy, Hud.

Speaker 1 (01:16:13):
I'm married to the old mighty man God, that's who
I'm married to, you know, so I still have my fun. Yeah.
You know, I got somebody who I love that I
gave a PDD too. You know. You know PDD is
a proper dick down because when people on social media,

(01:16:36):
you're gonna die loan and all. And I tell people
I got news for You're gonna die by yourself anyway.
You know, I ain't nobody jumping in there with you
like people are crazy me yay yah yo's people. It's
insane with that.

Speaker 3 (01:16:48):
Yo.

Speaker 1 (01:16:49):
So I'm all right, Shannon. Yeah, I'm Almo Shan. I'm
on Shannon Shop. Yo, listen, listen to me. I I
predicted I was gonna be on your show three years ago.

Speaker 3 (01:17:05):
I appreciate you taking time to come on it three
years ago.

Speaker 1 (01:17:08):
Telling my team they said, k we need to do
I said, calm down. That's how I always moved. Calm down.
It's gonna happen.

Speaker 4 (01:17:16):
Gonna happen.

Speaker 1 (01:17:17):
It's in the universe, alreadie, and it has to come
natural because if we go after it, we ain't gonna
get it. Y'all called me yes, which is beautiful and
when a team calls you, you know you want it.
And I always tell people, go will you're celebrated, not tolerated, correct,
and you're celebrating me, And that's it's a difference.

Speaker 4 (01:17:39):
Right uh.

Speaker 1 (01:17:41):
And Charlie you met them you you Yes, it's a
it's and I knew it was coming, but let me
share it with you. All I could say with the
Charlie Murphys because everybody thought it was Eddie Murphy, but
it's really Charlie Murphy. All I all I can say.
I never got a chance to apologize to you, Charlie
because he had died.

Speaker 4 (01:18:02):
So you a kleptoe back then.

Speaker 1 (01:18:03):
No, I wasn't a clep though. I was just doing
stupid you, just Steve, No, I was just doing stupid shit.

Speaker 4 (01:18:07):
Yeah, why you take the man, Rolex TK.

Speaker 1 (01:18:10):
I was just doing stupid shit. It was a bad thing.
I was like, yeah, I was nineteen years old, twenty
years old. So how long had you known him, Charlie.
I didn't know him that long at all, damn TK.
Yeah it was a bad situation and you made it.

Speaker 3 (01:18:25):
I mean, you went to jail for a couple a
couple of things, but I'm saying you and you made
it to be sixty six.

Speaker 4 (01:18:29):
You really blessed. I see why you turned your life over.

Speaker 1 (01:18:31):
To the man. Yes, right right?

Speaker 4 (01:18:33):
Are you?

Speaker 3 (01:18:33):
Like hold on, I'm I'm living foul out here? Did
you think did you think about it at the time? Like,
because like when you're doing stuff, TK you don't really
think bad stuff gonna happen? Like no, I agree, you
don't really think about it, and then you get back
and look back.

Speaker 1 (01:18:48):
Like, damn, but I was crazy when I was young.

Speaker 3 (01:18:50):
Really, yeah, man, using them street streets.

Speaker 1 (01:18:55):
Yeah, people don't know that. People I've given so many
people a past over the last ten years, is that
things have happened. They have no idea the kind of
man I used to be, but.

Speaker 4 (01:19:05):
That grew out of you or you, I mean the
man that you are now. So is it like you're like,
you know what you at peace now with who you are?

Speaker 3 (01:19:14):
Obviously you say you're a man of God, and you know,
talking a little bit, I can see that in you.

Speaker 4 (01:19:20):
So you think that's what it is?

Speaker 1 (01:19:22):
I think you grow up.

Speaker 4 (01:19:26):
Got to be solved with violence. Huh.

Speaker 1 (01:19:28):
Yeah, everything has to be solved with violence. And what
you learn in life is they got a place for you. Yeah,
you can be tough for all you want. They can
break They got a player, and they broke me. Really yeah,
they broke me because I was on probation for like
twenty years. Damn. Yeah, so you understand, but not in
one state. I will get in trouble in one state,

(01:19:49):
they give me five years.

Speaker 4 (01:19:50):
It moved to another one.

Speaker 1 (01:19:51):
They're not get in trouble in another state, they give
me five years. Damn. So by after twenty years, I
had submitted understood because they wasn't playing. They wasn't playing,
and I got in trouble with Puffy in nineteen ninety eight.

Speaker 4 (01:20:09):
It was what happened with that situation.

Speaker 1 (01:20:11):
I had robed Puffy and yeah, dog, I told you
I was crazy. And the judge Margaret at that time,
she wasn't playing, and Margaret was like, she didn't care
about Puffy. What she cared about was how did he

(01:20:33):
get away with all the other ship. That was her concern.
She wasn't playing because you know, you look at somebody's record.
She's saying, like, I should have been locked up years ago.
How did he get to me? That means somebody wasn't
doing any job.

Speaker 4 (01:20:47):
That's You're gonna make sure she do her She's gonna
do her job.

Speaker 1 (01:20:50):
She and I could tell she was not playing so alpiness. Right,
I told you I'm smart.

Speaker 4 (01:20:59):
O what you said? You know you fell at the
mercy of the court.

Speaker 1 (01:21:03):
Say, hey, I finester. I got the best attorneys. But
things when I say, the universe wants to see you win. Right,
So tell you the story. I don't think I told
it on nobody else's show. When I got arrested for
the puffy situation, they was already looking for me. Right.
I was on the news and all that. It was bad.

(01:21:26):
It was bad, Yo, it was bad. My mother was embarrassed.
You know, you bunch, you embarrass your mom.

Speaker 4 (01:21:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:21:36):
So I was supposed to have a surrender date because
I still had money. I was just doing dumb stop right, right.
I was rich, but I was doing stupid stuff. So
basically what I see now, I didn't. No, I don't
think I wanted success. I think I was sabotaging myself.
That's the only way I could look at it. I
didn't want that I was rich, but for some reason

(01:21:59):
I didn't want to be rich.

Speaker 3 (01:22:00):
Yeah you know what I say, Yeah, it does because
I had Damon Walliams on the show and he said,
Keenan always tells the younger generation of the ways family
nieces and nephews told his younger brothers. He said, you
were born on the road to success. Why would you
want to take a detour? So true, you had money,

(01:22:23):
Why would you want a detour and do bullge eye?

Speaker 1 (01:22:25):
Yeah, but sometimes you got to go through it. And
like I said, the universe, I said, yeah, when you
get older, the universe wants you to go through these
things because you're now a model to teach other people.
Don't make them mistakes. That's what you learn you're getting
your sixties. Yes, you don't understand that when you're younger.
When you're younger, you're just looking up.

Speaker 4 (01:22:44):
And you know what Tiky I learned.

Speaker 3 (01:22:46):
Sometimes when you're younger, people don't won't listen to you
because they don't feel you've had enough experience. Once you
get to your forty fifty, sixties and seventieses, people are like,
you know what, he probably been through some things.

Speaker 1 (01:22:57):
I think I looked if I was great and came
in here with a cane. Yeah, people respect what I'm saying.
After you would, but I took care of myself. So
it's like, nah, he don't know what they're talking about, right, Ye,
you're right. So with the puffy thing, and this is
how I could share with the world on how bad

(01:23:18):
they always wanted Puffy. See even in nineteen ninety eight,
New York didn't like him.

Speaker 4 (01:23:24):
Really oh man, but he o, g I'll be puffy.
He bought and raised there.

Speaker 1 (01:23:29):
Let me tell you, I'm about to hear I'm about
the rocky world. So I catched my case and I
had a surrender date. But I don't turn myself in
for three months.

Speaker 4 (01:23:39):
Damn.

Speaker 1 (01:23:41):
I'm on the road getting my money. I told almost
about my money. Yeah, but the FBI come into all
my locations, houses and shit. So I finally come in.
I got my tourneys with me and we walk in.
We surround ourselves and they put me in the tombs
and normally you get to tunes. It takes like a

(01:24:01):
whole day to get out. I think I had the record, like,
I had my attorneys everything on set. We walked in
and we was out of out of jail. I bailed
out like less than three hours. Wow. Right, So I'm
eating at the Shock Bar in Manhattan, used to be. Yeah,

(01:24:21):
at ten o'clock news. I'm sitting there eating and I
see myself on the ten o'clock news and everybody's looking
like like they're talking about him, but he's right. It's
I got my crew from up in Harlem all down
there eating and the people are mad at me. You know,
I got admit, they mad what I've done you. So

(01:24:41):
I fight the case for a while and then I
wound up getting ready to take a plead deal because
I had a thing called predicate felon on my jacket.
Predicated fellas you caught a felony within a.

Speaker 3 (01:24:53):
Year, another copelling after already committed one.

Speaker 1 (01:24:56):
Mandatory for the six in New York, no negotiation four
to six. So during that time, I fly to Vegas
and I'm gambling, and I'm gambling with some powerful people.

(01:25:19):
And the guy name is Tony Cappatella and Frank Naado
you gotta google him from Long Island, powerful attorneys. And
I explained to them what my situation is and they
knew I was. They said, ticket, we need you to do.
That's a favor. I was able to help them out,
so they came to represent me. And when they came

(01:25:40):
to represent me. I told him, I said, listen, don't
come to this court late. I said, because this judge
don't play. And I said, you gotta be there at nine.
So we stayed in touch for three months. He finally came.
He gets to court at eleven thirty, night and a half.
He got caught in the traffic coming from Long isl But.

Speaker 4 (01:26:02):
But everybody know that.

Speaker 3 (01:26:03):
I mean, it's a long it from Long Island to.

Speaker 4 (01:26:06):
The to the city.

Speaker 1 (01:26:06):
You don't really know what was up. But Margaret didn't care.
Judge Margaret, she sent me to Railway State Prison in Jersey.
And right is all ok. Rikers, Yes, sorry, Rikers, Allen.
So I'm never for thirty days because I took my
deal off the table because I took a deal I

(01:26:27):
was gonna do four to six. I was gonna turn
myself in, but when I came to court, I took
the deal off the table. During that time, now here's
how the universe racks with you. Puppy catches a case
for Shine and Jennifer Lopez. Yepe fire on Jarge. The
same people that wanted to lock Puffy up comes to

(01:26:49):
Rikers to want me to testify against Puppy Combs and
lie and say I saw him with the gun. So
they said, I turn. He was like, TK, you want
to help out the prosecution. Me being smart, I said,
I tell them to get me out of here. We
could talk about it. So they don't take me out

(01:27:12):
of the jail, but they take me from Rikers bring
me back down to the tomb. They come down and
the CEOs know me, and they see the FBI and everything.
They're like, you know why all these people here. I
got the FBI jackets sit look crazy. So they take
me downstairs. I'm in the sedan and we're zooming through

(01:27:35):
Manhattan to go to the club that Puffy had the shooting.
So they wanted you. They didn't tell you what to say.
They wanted you to read between the lines. Jennifer Blowpez
was here, Sean was here, Puffy was here, and you
were right here. Like I'm putting yeah, yeah, I was
right there. I was saying, I'm right the fuck here.

(01:27:59):
But during the time I'm ordering food, they paying for it.
I'm getting thesign. Yeah, I'm getting the three days, I'm
eating the best for you. I'm enjoying myself. So after
three days, my attorneys come to see me and they say, hey,
they want to know if you're going to help them
because they get me to go to grand jury and
they want me to testify against the in the grand

(01:28:21):
jury against PA. And I looked at my attorneys and
I said, now I tell them I'm okay, I'm all
right then with them.

Speaker 4 (01:28:28):
You don't got a belly.

Speaker 3 (01:28:29):
The prep for food got the good Drake good some
good ones.

Speaker 1 (01:28:32):
That was my move. That was my move. So I
wound up getting five years probation. That was the last
state that I got in trouble with. No California after that.
But by the time the last one I got, the
last five years probation, you know, very successful. It's in California.

(01:28:52):
It was domestic voalo case with my daughter's mother. I
had a little issue. So I'm at work release and
I'm still living like a king. I'm putting a couple
of guys that's on work and put them through college
and put them through the RYE. It's not a major school,
but I'm paying their way through the ride. Before Uber
Eats was out, when you being on the highway and

(01:29:14):
picking trash and all that, I used to lunchtime, I
will order food and have the people restaurants bring the
food to me. And my crew were eating on side
the highway. We eating in the park, living it, you know.
But I'm still living like TK. I'm still that player.
I know that I messed up. I'm gonna get through this.

(01:29:35):
This has taught me a lesson I'll never get I'm
in Sam Bernardino Park, I'm picking up trash and I'm
still famous. People still want to take a picture. So
I got the yellow jacket on and the trees the
thing to pick up the trash, taking pictures with people.
But it taught me a lesson, Shannon. And when I
got through it, I tell people the thing I wish

(01:29:57):
for people the most. It's peace of mind. Once you
knew what peace of mind tastes like, and you lose it,
you'll fight forever to get it back. For sure, you
will fight to get it back. And I fought my
whole life to get it because I knew what it
tastes like, I knew what it felt like, and I

(01:30:18):
wasn't gonna let nothing else stand in my way of
getting that feeling of being your own man, being free,
being free, it's one of the greatest emotions any man
or woman can have is that peace of mind? And
once I achieved it, I made a promise to myself

(01:30:40):
that I would never give that up for nobody.

Speaker 3 (01:30:46):
This concludes the first half of my conversation. Part two
is also posted and you can access it to whichever
podcast platform you just listen to part one on. Just
simply go back to club profile and I'll see you there.

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