Club Shay Shay - Tony Yayo Part 1 - Club Shay Shay

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Realship Dave chappelleover. He told me, say, you know,
why are you turning out all that money? God sent
my belly full. That was the reallyship I've heard from somebody.
It turned out fifty million, crazy.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
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the bronicct Geist, the squat all my Life, Poppy, grinding

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all my life.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
Hello, Welcome to another episode of Club Sha Shay. I
am your host, Shining Sharp. I'm also the propriud of
Club Sha Sha stopping by for conversation on the drink
today the real talk of New York. He's a street legend,
a key figure in the world of hip hop, a
certified platinum selling rapper, chart topping artist, a natural entertainer,
A member of the Passport Boys, Inc. He defines the

(00:56):
word loyalty that from the iconic group.

Speaker 4 (01:02):
Creator.

Speaker 3 (01:03):
You can't see me dance wave your hand here. He is,
Ladies and gentlemen, Tody yayo, what's up?

Speaker 4 (01:08):
Yay yo, what he do? Yo?

Speaker 1 (01:10):
He made that sound so good. It's about time I
get some love. Man, get some problem you de third
some love?

Speaker 4 (01:16):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (01:17):
So long, it's been a long journey in it's industry, man, Bro.

Speaker 3 (01:19):
We brought out the best for you. Thank This is
my Kangyak Shae by Laportier, a platinum Bso, p let
me know what you think. I know you're gonna keep
it a buck with me.

Speaker 4 (01:27):
Mmmm.

Speaker 1 (01:29):
That tastes good, man, I can't front. Fifty got some
coniac too. Branson, y'all got some good ship. Maybe I
need to collabor something because this ship is some good
ship right there.

Speaker 4 (01:40):
I appreciate that.

Speaker 3 (01:41):
And I know, see, I know you know something about
Brown too.

Speaker 1 (01:44):
Yeah, I know about the brown liquor. Fifty got the Branson.
You've always been a fan of Hennessy and like right now,
I was just telling my friend, I don't know if
the liquor is watering down, but it don't taste like that.
Like I don't know if these look at brands is
getting cheap or something. But everybody was complaining about the
Don Julio in the street. He's complaining like something just
wasn't right. And when I was overseas, liquor was tasting different.

(02:06):
It was tasting better. So I don't know if it
was a US.

Speaker 3 (02:08):
Din well, I mean obviously, and it's native. I mean
seemingly things taste better over there, yeah, than it does
over here. Definitely. You think there's there's something to that.
You think there's something to it. You think the market,
the US market.

Speaker 1 (02:21):
I think overseas, like when you go to like a
subway or something, they got like a low fat male
only you know, and the sodas are real small. You
know what I'm saying. Everything is like more kind of
more healthy. They don't have no Captain crunch, frosted flakes, right,
anything with.

Speaker 4 (02:39):
Like added process preserved it.

Speaker 1 (02:42):
They don't. They don't have it over there. So that's
the healthy thing. And then you know there's no gun
violence over there like that. Certain places have guns, you know,
like sweeten and stuff like that, but that's like in
probably the bad neighborhood. But they clean that up, like
how Trump trying to clean up America right now? You
know what I'm saying. You got running down the street
in d C. I was talking to my man from
d C. He was like he was scared to drive

(03:04):
his own car in DC. My man country. That's Dave Chappelle,
you know, right, so, and he was saying that he
went with his moms, he had to go through checkpoints
and all that.

Speaker 4 (03:13):
Damn.

Speaker 1 (03:14):
Yeah, yeah, because the streets is crazy right now, especially
you know where we're from, New York City.

Speaker 4 (03:19):
Man, thanks for pulling up the club. Sh how you
being man?

Speaker 1 (03:22):
I'm good man. Just came back from overseas where we
went to Estonia. We went strike Estonia, Paris, Poland we
came out with Chris Brown in Manchester, which was that's
like the new.

Speaker 3 (03:35):
Man I've been seeing. I've been seeing snippets of it
on social media.

Speaker 1 (03:38):
Shelter shelter, Chris Brown. He did a new Michael Jackson.

Speaker 4 (03:41):
Yeah, that's what he did, that performance he did in
the rain.

Speaker 1 (03:45):
Oh man, I was talking to like Curtis Battle because
he did production for eminem and fifty and the whole
other people, that whole bunch of stars. And he was
just talking about one Laed screen was like forty million
dollars and I was wild by that. Like you people
got to understand the money he's spending on production, the
production you know about that?

Speaker 4 (04:05):
You know what I'm saying absolutely.

Speaker 1 (04:07):
Millions of dollars, So a lot of the money that
he's making, he's spending on the word to give the
world a good.

Speaker 4 (04:12):
Perform, to make sure everybody knows this is a that's
the top of the sold.

Speaker 1 (04:15):
Out met Life Stadium. What was that? I think eighty
thousand two nights in a row. Never been done by
no artists, Ain't it was raining. I was like, man,
this guy is the new. So for me to be
on stage with him fifty you know, Uncle Murder was there.
You know what I mean. To come out on stage
with Chris Brown was crazy. I'm like, yo, I'm a
part of the show. Like that was big. We came
to Manchester, he sold that out like three days in

(04:38):
a row. So, yeah, he is the new Michael Jackson. Man,
I gotta give you to him.

Speaker 3 (04:42):
Man, I can believe it. You're from south side.

Speaker 1 (04:45):
You make a queen, Yes, south to south side queen.

Speaker 4 (04:48):
So is there is there a north side?

Speaker 1 (04:50):
You make a go there's a north side? So why
we only hear about south side because that's where we're from.

Speaker 4 (04:56):
Ain't nobody north side?

Speaker 1 (04:58):
No north side is lit? You up side as you
could cook, we would considered Jim Master J right, yeah,
high running MC so north Side l L. They was,
you know, big in the rap game before. Yeah, south
Side was even put up right, you know what I mean?
Those are the guys we look up to. Obviously fifty
he was signing jem Master J rest in peace to him,
you know, his mirrors right on Jamaica Avenue. But you know,

(05:21):
like we looked at I looked at run DMC to
me was my best rap group of all time.

Speaker 4 (05:25):
Yeah, they kind of gotten kicked off and look at Brooklyn.

Speaker 3 (05:28):
Brooklyn got bigger, Jay Hole, Kine Cam, Queen's got LLL
fifty nods, Nikki the Bronx.

Speaker 4 (05:36):
We know about the Booget down Bronx Cad.

Speaker 1 (05:41):
Shout the fat Joe Man.

Speaker 4 (05:42):
Yeah, yeah, I can't forget about get Crack.

Speaker 3 (05:46):
So it's Queen's the best borough because I was in
queens Bridge with Steve Style and I was with just
nod Bro Jungle and got an opportunity to see down there,
so I didn't get a chance to go over there.

Speaker 4 (05:57):
What was that?

Speaker 1 (05:58):
What was that line? Now said a while go Queen's
run y'all niggas, asked Russell Simmons. Was that that was
the line. Right, it goes back from in time when
you look at Ren DMC when it's Christmas time, men
Hollis Queen's. I remember having a boom box. I had
Haitian parents. I had to plug it up. They never
let us get batteries because they feel like you're gonna
get robbed or something. Right, So my me and Bobby

(06:19):
across the street, he was spoiled. He had the boom
box equalized, always that spoiled kid. He had batteries, but
we had it plugged up to my mom's porch. We
couldn't leave the porch with the radio. And we played
that tape till the tape pop, damn. And you gotta
think about it. What was the hit? They was the
first rappers to be on MTVP right what they had
a song with bon Jovi? What was that?

Speaker 4 (06:40):
No, that was Aerosmith.

Speaker 1 (06:42):
That was you know, I don't know too much about
the rock and roll. Yeah, yeah, I don't know, but
I look at like Queen's. We the pioneers, you know
what I mean? Even when you look at Marley Ma
Marley mal he put out Big Daddy came. So you know,
me and my friend we always have this Brooklyn Queen's argument.
But Queen's come on, Marley mal put out King and

(07:04):
Kane is like when you look at people always say, Yo,
what's your top five rappers? Whatever are we talking about?

Speaker 4 (07:09):
Right?

Speaker 1 (07:09):
Because if we're gonna go to eighties, what you're gonna
go rock him? Rap We Kane, KRS One, Slick Rick.

Speaker 3 (07:18):
Damn you win all lyricis, you win all lyricists I'm
talking about. I'm talking about the wordplay is exemplary. I
think if you going the eighties, you gotta.

Speaker 1 (07:26):
Put L in that. Of course l L had hits
from the eighties thousand to the two thousands. You know,
you know, it's just what was it was? Was he
signed to death Jam when Jake took over. I think
that's what Connor made it a little funny for him, right,
And I love LLL. That's like, hands down one of

(07:48):
my favorite rappers.

Speaker 4 (07:49):
Yeah. Do you feel L get the credit he deserves? Nah?
Hell no, I agree with you.

Speaker 1 (07:53):
Come on, Carls ride by with the booming system. The
Brooklyn Queens do well. Going back to Cali, I'm gonna
knock you out. I need love. From the eighties to
the nineties to the two. Hell no, they don't give
LLL as much credit he deserved.

Speaker 4 (08:09):
Why.

Speaker 1 (08:10):
I don't know, because I think.

Speaker 3 (08:13):
Drug rap game is more about image, okay, and he
doesn't fit the image of what a rappers should be
or look like because he was in Shave, he had.

Speaker 4 (08:21):
The fat gold Yeah.

Speaker 1 (08:23):
I just feel like executive wise, okay, Okay, when he
signed a death Jam and he was under j was
DMX on the label at that time too, Them niggas
wasn't feeling that because at that time, no disrespect to Jay.
He sold a million ten ten records, I think a
million apiece, but DMX went diamond, right l L. He

(08:43):
toll know, he don't get enough props from the eighties
to the nineties to the early two thousands, even when
he had hay Lover. Yeah, he was in Shave, he
had the image. Yeah, he needs one of them. We
gotta do top ten and top twenty instead of top five.

Speaker 3 (08:56):
It's kind of hard, Yeah, it is, especially when you're
talking about you talking about fifty years of rap. Let's
just say, for the sake of art, we're gonna just
take fifty years of rap and you're gonna you're gonna
win it all the way down and say, okay, give.

Speaker 4 (09:07):
Me your top five.

Speaker 1 (09:08):
That's what I'm saying. That's hard to do. I like
Kumo d I like step Sistnic Salt and Pepper was
the first Nikki and Kim. You know, those are the
girls that Spinderella. I was still mad at them when
they got the other Spinderella, the original Spinderella, right, because
back then the DJ was as important as the rapper,
Like Public Enemy had terminated as right, Jim Master Jay

(09:32):
and then you had Jazzy Jeff and Uh as well
as other DJs you know just can't name it. But
I love hip hop. That's what I feel like. It
changed our lives. Like we went from being in my
man fast ship basement when the police chased it off
the block to being around the world and people know
Tony Yalom. I might not have the fame fifty guy,
I don't even want that fame. I like my fame

(09:53):
a little better because I feel like when you go
places and the have you, I'm outside and I'm out,
I'm here, and yeah, people know me, but they're not
running me down like on my eminem or Jay Z
or Beyonce Chris Brown. They got to be in their
room on their phone. Nah, I don't want to do that.
Just give me the money they got.

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Speaker 3 (11:24):
You're from Your parents are immigrants, Yeah, they Haitian right
right before I get it that, let me ask you
a question, How the hell do you get Tony Yo
from Marvin?

Speaker 1 (11:34):
That's a funny question. You said governments, you know from
watching scoff Face. That was one of my favorite movies.

Speaker 4 (11:39):
Right.

Speaker 1 (11:40):
I could have been Tony Montana, but you got French Montana. Right.
But I went with to Tony Yale because I was
just a hustler.

Speaker 4 (11:45):
Right.

Speaker 1 (11:45):
And then you know, when we first got on fifty,
be like, Yo, what would you call yourself? Like what
would be your name? Like, describe yourself? Who are you?
And I'm like, well, I hustled my whole life, so
I guess Tony Yoe and that that ished up. Yeah,
because I love the block. That's one thing about me.
I used to I used to really love the block,
people go party, I'll stay on the block. Easter time,

(12:06):
we was on the block because it just felt like
it was a gang. But it wasn't a gag, right
what I mean now the stuff that's going on now
is crazy, right.

Speaker 3 (12:14):
But so being the son of immigrants, what was your
American experience like? So how like did they bring like
all the entire culture of Haiti or were you able
to like did they give you some of the American
experience as you were growing up?

Speaker 1 (12:31):
Well, my parents, my mom's coming from a I think
it's called moon By, moon By, Yeah, something like that.
I forgot. She's from that town. My dad is from
Porta Prince. They came to Canada first, which my uncle
was from her brother. And then from Canada they came
to you know, every Haitian that you're mak and they
go to Brooklyn. I don't know why they go to
Brooklyn first. I'm really supposed to be a Browns building, okay, hospital,

(12:55):
but they go to Brooklyn first. Then from Brooklyn we
moved to Queen you know, so you know where we're from.
You know, you get a better life. People come from
these places, Like you said, you come from a small
town you come from a small town, so you know,
my mom's been a nurse her whole life, retired, So
they come here and they work. That's all they know
is work, work, work. That's what I learned from my

(13:15):
moms and pops. Right, work, work, work. But now it's
cool to be a Haitian, a African. But as a kid,
you African, you Haitian, go back to your nation. You know,
used to keep Haitian being on a level. But now
it's like everybody want to be a zee is it?

Speaker 4 (13:31):
Can you be lazy at an immigrant?

Speaker 1 (13:34):
Nah? Nah? I never I've never met a lazy A
lazy Mexican, Jamaican, trinidadadd agan, I never met that because
you know they all come from struggle. We all could
write to that. Like I've been everywhere in the world
and can't go to Haiti. Ask me why why they
might kidnap me out there? The whole gangs control the city.

(13:54):
Oh yeah, you got this dude barbecue and you know, yeah,
he's one of them dudes that you know they talk about.
But they What I like about it is when you
watch what they talking about, they talking about Haiti been
robbed since the beginning of time, We are the first
people to free the slaves against the Napoleon Army. People
don't know that. I got fired my blood, like we

(14:15):
freed the slaves before anybody. We beat the Napoleon Army, right,
and then we had the negotiate a deal because they
didn't like that. There was some kind of deal where
we had to pay them one hundred and fifty million
dollars back. I think it was just paid like ten
years ago. And then years after that, Americans came there
and they raided the federal reserve. They took all Haiti's goal.

(14:36):
So when you go to Haiti, it's nice beaches, nice water,
nice everything. But they deserve a lot of money back
to them.

Speaker 4 (14:45):
But that's not the image.

Speaker 3 (14:46):
That's not how Haite is portrayed though, because as you mentioned,
you know it's controlled by the gangs. You couldn't go
back there. You feel like you'd be kidnapping hell for ransom.
There's a lot of violence going on in Haiti. So
the portrayal that we as American is that we get
from Haiti is not is not very pleasing.

Speaker 1 (15:04):
Yeah, but people can't eat, there's nothing to do, you
can't get closed. Like my mom sends close to Haiti.
When she came, we're sending clothes. I give her clothes
and stuff, and you sent it there. But it's like
it's like they forced in a position where the government
is not helping them. They had an earthquake, she just fucked.

Speaker 4 (15:19):
Oh yeah, yeah clean.

Speaker 1 (15:21):
You know, So you can't just we can't just blame
it on the violence. I feel like when you see
violence in anywhere, like like Brooklyn. You just had fourteen
people shot, little kids shooting people. Switches. Where the switches
come from? Where do the switches come from? How's a
kid fifteen year old can get a switch put make
a gun, a handgun into a ouzi? How is that

(15:44):
even possible? Yeah, you know, back in the day, a
couple of years, back in the days, you heard it.
You got shot ten times. You know, he's still alive.
The bullets and the amminition like that. Now they got
switches and innocent people out of the fourteen people, old
ladies got hit. It's crazy because New York, Now, New

(16:04):
York is ridiculous. It's just like la these gangs everywhere.
You got bloods, you got crips, you got g I
don't even go out if I got to go somewhere
where I gotta bring a gun. I don't even go. Yeah,
yeah you got if you gotta take it, you gotta
take that too. I'm chilling a Hampton somewhere with my lawyer.
Man shout out to my lawyer. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (16:23):
So, so give me a typical day. What was a
typical day like for you growing up? Your parents are immigrants.
What they're talking to you about that they're trying to
make sure you get your school, make sure.

Speaker 4 (16:35):
You do the right thing, stay out of trouble. So
what was a typical day in your household?

Speaker 1 (16:39):
Like, I feel like if your parents, if your parents
are like Haitian that you're making it's love, but it's
always tough love. Yeah, so it's not I love you,
I love you. I felt like I always look for
that for my whole life because my parents never did it.
And I love my moms. It was always tough love.
My moms will go to work, Christmas Thanksgiving, food on
the table. That's how hatity it is. You go to school,
get good grades, If not get on your knees, you're

(17:01):
gonna get beat Like, those are the kind of beatings
we had. So when I go to people's house and
I don't open your fridge. It's because we got so
many beatings back in the day. Yeah, it wasn't like that.
It's all about respects broe, you know, and pray to
God every day because my parents they worked hard. They
put me in Catholic school from first to eighth grade.
Don't tell nobody though.

Speaker 4 (17:22):
Yes, but damn you you like that eminem character m
was badly so.

Speaker 1 (17:28):
Look banks and fifty and then went to the criminal school.
At the point seventy two was good. Now shout out
to seventy two, but at that point, seventy two was
a bad school. My parents don't want me to go there.
Haitian parents, they'll send you. They'll spend their last for
their kids to go to Catholic school. I went to
Catholic school church. I turned to my criminal life. Like
eighth ninth grade. From first to seventh grade, we used

(17:52):
to take the yellow bus, so everything was like more preserved.
You get dropped off on the corner a block. Eighth grade,
I had to take the public school bus with a
uniform on that so now I got the uniform. I
gotta go from Laurelton, from Rosedale to south side Jamaica Queens.

(18:14):
I gotta take the Q eighty fives, right, you know
what I mean? And I had to stop at Springfield
High School. Back then, Springfield High School you heard about
a girl getting acid thrown in her face. Like Springfield
High School in Jackson was like the schools like, oh shit,
you don't want to go Yeah, you don't want to
go there. It was crazy back then. You know, the
gangs was just different. They you know, you had toy soldiers,

(18:35):
shadow ink, lottest boys, dudes with hammers. Because I had
to go to Jamaica Avenue when I went to high school.
But that's later on. So I got on a public
school bus now and now I'm seeing the realities of
my life. I'm seeing niggas on the bus fighting. I'm
seeing people getting cut for bus passes and I'm like,
oh shit, I wasn't exposed to that way my parents.

(18:56):
I'm on the bus like this shit is crazy, you know.
And I'm sitting on the back of the bus. If
you ain't really, if you ain't really stuff like that,
you're supposed to be get So yeah, kid, I'm on
the back of the bus witness and fights, people getting
cut I'm like, oh ship, this ship is real. So
I got a starters jacket. Back in the days when
we had to start a bulls, my parents bought me

(19:18):
a starter jacket. Never forgot this. Came on the bus
from Springfield and the dudes was on the bus, so
I had to ride to I think American with crowd,
American Baisley. I think American Baisley. And that's when they
pull a gun out on me. I'm a little kid.
I'm in the eighth grade.

Speaker 4 (19:36):
Oh on, did you actually think you could get on
the bus with a starter jacket and.

Speaker 1 (19:39):
Get off with I thought I was good, yo, I
was preserved. I had Haitian parents. They don't play. You
gotta be in this when that light go on, nigga
that you come in the house, don't leave the porch.
I couldn't do what that. My parents wasn't let me
just run the streets like everybody else was.

Speaker 4 (19:56):
Do you understand how what a starter jacket it was
back then?

Speaker 1 (20:00):
Say Shay, not listening, bro I went from being on
the yellow bus yes, to not seeing crime to getting
on the public bus and now I'm seeing the realities
of the world.

Speaker 4 (20:11):
So you saw the reality. So what made you possess
you to wear that jacket?

Speaker 1 (20:14):
Because I didn't think I was gonna get robbed. I
was in lot loud, okay, okay. As soon as I
got to my stop it was snowing that day. I
never forgot. I think that changed my life and made
me look.

Speaker 4 (20:24):
At you, made you come up out of and the
snow used short.

Speaker 1 (20:27):
Sleeve on the snow crowd all the way home. Jeez,
thirty eight. I never forgot that. Right on America basis
like put snug noose on you, snugne fourteen years walking
from the bus stop, Damn Yale had to walk all
the way roch Stale no coke.

Speaker 4 (20:43):
Then you you should have said, man, come on, bro,
I'm just a kid coming on.

Speaker 1 (20:46):
Bro.

Speaker 3 (20:46):
He had a thirty eight. I'm like you ain't do
no talking. You just talking, but play you're supposed to
the man. Come on, man, my mom worked hard for.

Speaker 1 (20:52):
This cause back in the days, remember a ball and
the starter.

Speaker 3 (20:54):
A lot of people out here because yes, that's what
I'm saying, that's what that's what going through my mind
thinking about it. The eight ball jacket to start a jacket,
and you like you said, okay, I was on the
yellow bus.

Speaker 4 (21:05):
Everything was cool.

Speaker 3 (21:06):
But once I started getting on the city bus, man,
I'm seeing all this going on, and I'm thinking, man,
what was that you to do that.

Speaker 1 (21:12):
My mom's and them. I wanted the jackets. Jeez.

Speaker 4 (21:15):
No, I ain't say not get the jacket, but you
know certain situations where you care.

Speaker 1 (21:19):
I should have thrown it out, but I wasn't thinking
it out. I just had to start. I wouldn't think
nobody's gonna school. Yeah I want. I did, and I
had that start, and they got me for it, damn.
Because back then, come on a balls and start as man.

Speaker 4 (21:33):
Everybody wanted them.

Speaker 1 (21:33):
Companies should pay some of them fillings.

Speaker 4 (21:36):
Like yeah yeah, yeah. People got to live without.

Speaker 1 (21:39):
It because yo, we make the coaching bro a lot
of stuff that we was wearing Avery rexes, even Avery rexes.
I remember dudes was getting shot for those members only
members only pel a'slo yep. So it's like, man. And
then when I went to high school, I went to
high school on Jamaica Avenue, right where Jim Master j
Studio is at. They changing that in the condos now,
but it was the college in right, so that was

(22:00):
the block where everybody meet that and that's when I
just just nothing but crime up there.

Speaker 4 (22:06):
You're the youngest of three. Yeah, so you close your
your assembly, y'all close.

Speaker 1 (22:12):
Yeah, yeah, I would say, you would say I would
saying with me and my brother, mare, me and my sister,
we are.

Speaker 3 (22:17):
Right when she mad at you cause you dim because
I read that your your mom wouldnt let your sloster
to go outside because she kissed the boy.

Speaker 4 (22:24):
Did she see them? Did did they see it or
you diamer out?

Speaker 1 (22:28):
No? No, No, my next door neighbor, rest of miss people.
She was one of them neighbors that could slap you
in the back of the head. Yes, she was always
in the window for mischief. Yeah, so rest of peace
to her. So she's seen it, and she told my parents,
and yeah that's how community parent. Yeah, they have you
in the house for twenty years. I never seen my
sister again.

Speaker 3 (22:48):
So were your parents. So in other words, you're telling
the story. Your parents were really strict.

Speaker 1 (22:53):
Listen, I remember you know how you remember back in
the days when you used to go on bike missions
and they used to go to the good neighborhoods to
steal bike from the rich kids and all that. My
brother and my brother went to do that. He got caught.
He got caught by the fireman. Though they brung his
ass back to the crib. My brother got his ass
worn out in front of the fireman. Like Haitian parents
don't play. Jamaican parents don't play anything from that island.

Speaker 4 (23:16):
They don't play. I read your dad. He didn't want
you to hang out on the boulevard.

Speaker 1 (23:23):
He oh, never, never, because he knew what was up there.
One three four on got Brewer. It was you know,
that's the arena. You know everybody up there sold drugs.
That's what everybody did. So it was nothing good up there.
You know, you had gambling spots up there, you had
the alley fiends up there, winos. He went up there
to play lotto. So when I started hustling, I still
had to worry about him because he would chase me

(23:44):
off the block. Come on, man, Papa, do that chase
Get out of here, Get out of here, Haitian crazy voice,
get out of.

Speaker 4 (23:52):
Here, like pop you blow you blow it.

Speaker 1 (23:53):
I just had to run. What I'm gonna do it
It was it wasn'tybody, it was I'm chasing give you
about Dukes was chasing me off the block. Man Haitian
parents because he knew what was going on.

Speaker 3 (24:07):
But you know what happens normally when parents don't want
a child to do something, it pushes that child in
that direction. If the parents says, I don't want you
to see that young lady, or I don't want you
to see that guy, what did it do? It's almost
like Romeo and Juliet. It brings them closer. It makes
them want to do it even more. I think, did
that make you want to?

Speaker 1 (24:26):
I think the ass whippings is what always saved somebody,
Like like when my parents divorced, Yeah, and my pops
went to Florida. That gave me lee way for the bullshit. Now,
my mom's gotta.

Speaker 4 (24:36):
Work every day, right, she can't keep out with you.

Speaker 1 (24:38):
She's she's working at general hospital. She's a Haitian lady,
working twenty four hours a day. I'm hardly seeing her. Now.
This gives me lee way to go bag up in
the house because if she find that shit, she doesn't
throw drugs in the garbage. She found a gun, she's
throwing that shit in the garbage. She don't get you
know what I'm saying. So my pops left, there was
no more. It was more leeway the father figure.

Speaker 4 (24:58):
He was going.

Speaker 1 (24:59):
Now, now I don't got nobody chase me on the block.
So now my mom's at work and I'm on the
block all.

Speaker 3 (25:04):
Day, right, you know, is there anything Do you think
there's anything your father could have said? Do you think
there's anything your mother could have said that it make
you not want to hang out on the block because
you saw what was happening. I'm sure you saw some
of your boys get scooped up. I'm sure you saw
some of your boys get laid down. But that still
wasn't enough.

Speaker 1 (25:20):
To deter you. No, because I feel like people turn
into the environment. So like you got little kids in
the Bronx, that twelve year old, thirteen year old killers,
they're turning onto what the environment is they're forced to right. Meanwhile,
my kids don't got to go through that. You know,
got them in a nice neighborhood. And that's what it is.
I think it's the environment, because people turn into what
the environment is. Now for all them dudes was doctors

(25:41):
on the block. Maybe I would have been a doctor,
but they was all drug dealers and at the end
of the day, they was putting packs in little Nigga's hands.
Niggas was sixteen fifteen. When you really think about it,
like here take this, but they you know, there's no
rules to the game. It's my responsibility. I took the
pack because you start off as a worker, then you
work your way up having your own shit. Now you're

(26:03):
caught up in the game, right because he's taking thirty
off a pack twenty five with a pack, you couldn't
just get your own work around my way, it was structure,
and then I had to work my way up to
get my own work. Now I'm official drug dealer. Now
I don't have no job, no W two forms, nothing.
Sometimes it's just best.

Speaker 3 (26:23):
To get a job now, right, Police, but you don't
pay their taxes because we don't want them to come
back and say, oh, you have a W two But.

Speaker 1 (26:30):
He done pay you this back in the day. But
I just feel like the kids that it's the environment.
Like right, when you look at New York City, it's
a lot of gangs. Man, It's just like La. You
can't discredit New York and say, oh yo, the gangs start.
The little kids don't want to hear that. They straight
up stone col killers.

Speaker 4 (26:49):
How important was school to you.

Speaker 3 (26:51):
It had to be very important because they put you
in a Catholic school for your for the first grade
to seventh grade, so obviously it was very important. It
seems to me that your parents the way in order
for them to to live their dream through you was education.

Speaker 1 (27:05):
Yes, definitely, but it was important to me until you know,
I told you, I started getting into the streets right
and then it.

Speaker 3 (27:13):
Was like, if your parents don't divorce, your father's there.
Now you got that system of checks and balance because
you're saying your mom is working, she's working fourteen, sixteen
hours a day.

Speaker 4 (27:24):
She can't keep an eye on Tony like she's like,
she's like she want to or should. Pops is in Florida.

Speaker 3 (27:30):
He ain't got no eyes, He ain't got that kind
of connect now, and so now you just got free
reign if your dad stays in the picture.

Speaker 4 (27:37):
But we're having a different conversation.

Speaker 1 (27:39):
Definitely one hundred percent, because I wouldn't have lee way
to be outside like that. Bagging up and then three
and a half grams turned into one hundred grams and
now I want to get half a bird. Now now
I want to do this, and now I can bag
up because my Mom's not there, right, you know what
I mean, she's not there. I can go kitchen table
and bag up a whole bunch of work. She's working
all day.

Speaker 4 (27:57):
Were you ever scared that while you bagging up she
might come home?

Speaker 1 (28:00):
Nah? I knew her schedule, knew her schedule. Yeah, I
knew her schedule.

Speaker 4 (28:07):
All that being said, you dropped out of school in
the tenth grade, yeah, fifteen?

Speaker 1 (28:11):
Yes? Why drugs just negative shit around school?

Speaker 4 (28:15):
School, school and selling drugs. They don't go down. They're
not synonymous.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
Yeah, I think any kind of crime in school is
not synonymous. Man's just it just doesn't go together. You know,
it's a terrible thing. I don't try to glorify it
because I made it this far and I got an
opportunity to see the world. Like I'm not as rich
as a lot of the rappers, but I got a
billion dollars worth for experiences, and I feel like that's
what life is about, right, And sometimes in this game,

(28:41):
you feel like it's the devil's playground. You know, a
lot of bullshit goes on behind the scenes because I
always want to be in control of the man that
got the money. They're always gonna kiss as. So you know,
like I love fifty, it's never fifty. Sometimes it's niggas
around them because and in fifties, a good dude. This

(29:02):
dude's like you said that that'll never get a job.
One of my friends, he caught a murder. He forget,
he's forgiven for it because God forgive everybody. But he
got a job. You know a lot of dudes you
know to jail time. Now you got a job, because
where you're gonna get a job at without fifty? So
I love fifty fifties. You know, I love Banks Banks,

(29:22):
my dude Banks. You know, we're brothers. So I remember
us being in basements rapping when it was just the
core g unit fifty c Lloyd Banks, Tony Al you know,
game dope rapper, but he was from La Buck dope rapper,
but he was from Cashville. And when you look at
Buck situation that happened when I went to jail.

Speaker 4 (29:48):
You said, your mom threw your mom threw away one
hundred grams.

Speaker 1 (29:51):
Yep in a garbage. I told her wasn't mine, so
she helped me find it. Then I went and got it.

Speaker 4 (30:00):
How you go, lie, Tom, You couldn't let that pas.
You could't let that way.

Speaker 1 (30:03):
No one hundred grams back then, Hell no, find that
that can't go in the garbage. That's money, right, Yeah,
That's how we looked at it. That's why I'm glad
I'm out of that life. Man. I had to left
that behind and the luck of music.

Speaker 3 (30:17):
Is there anything your mom? If your dad is gone,
he's in Florida. If your mom sits you down and
say she's not calling you Tony, she's calling your Marvin,
you're breaking your mom's heart. You're gonna end up in jail,
but you're gonna end up dead. Is there anything your

(30:38):
mom could have said to get you away from that lifestyle?
Or had you gotten so ingrained in it? That's what
you knew and there was no turning back.

Speaker 1 (30:46):
The worst part has been calling after you get locked
up through your old lass. You know, when you get
locked up. My mom's come gave me a Pennsylvania Fazilian
drugs like me and my man gj rest in peaces. Moms,
they came to pa We got caught with a little
bit of shit because you know, we was done for
the day, but we was from out of town, right,
so they came and got us. So there's nothing like

(31:09):
a motherly love. Man. Yeah, it's just the worst part
is calling you know, because that's what a lot of
these kids don't understand. Your mom's you're breaking our heart.
Your dad, Yo, I'll come see you in jail. I'll
send you some commissary. It's more of a tough guy
thing with us. But the moms, you break her heart,
And that's that's real up, that feeling making that called mom,
I'm locked up, or Mom, I gotta put the house.

(31:31):
I done jump bail and have bail Bondsman, given our
heart attack, I was even with this rap shit like
my mom's crab got shot twenty two times two o
seven beeping with henchmen back in the days, right, So
for me, that shit is like real shit, like they
could have been not here, They could have been unlive

(31:53):
Luckily the level of the house, there's levels, people's upstairs.
If it was one floor, somebody would have been unlived
in that damn. And that's like with this rap game.

Speaker 4 (32:02):
Shit.

Speaker 3 (32:03):
Did your mom ever say I told you see your
head hard, you won't listen, but one day you will.

Speaker 4 (32:10):
Son.

Speaker 1 (32:10):
Did your mom ever tell you I told you so?
Or she was just like she was always there for you.
My mom's to say, I'm a vaca ball. She start
cursing and crayon close bacaball. I think it means idiot, right,
strike idiot. My crayle ain't that good, But vacka baum
means like idiot all kinds of shit. She just start
cursing in Haitian, you know, but she'll always come get me.

(32:31):
That's one thing about that lady. God bless her, you know.
And she's still around my pops. You know, he passed away.
I think twenty eighteen. My mom's still around. Loved my
mom's bro. And you know it's crazy, she's still live
in the house they got shot up, because that's how
Haitian people is. I don't care. I'm gonna be in
my house till I die.

Speaker 4 (32:47):
Wow, you don't want to go nowhere else.

Speaker 1 (32:49):
Yeah, that rap beef can get real serious. You know,
it can get real serious. That's why I say, when
you have Joe on here and caller, then you talk
about the Calus situation. I could never be mad at Kla.
Kala was just being loyal to Joe. I was being
loyal to fifty you know. Wow, So but sit can
get rial. The only thing you see with Joe and us,
we could be friends.

Speaker 4 (33:08):
Joe.

Speaker 1 (33:08):
I need that deal with volume up too. The thing
with Joe is like it never got crazy where, it
never got physical, right, and nobody ever got shot and killed.
Rest in peace to my man Lody Mack. He got
killed in a situation. My mom's crib got shot up, right,
you know, my mom's crib silent to sit, get real
bullet through stoves and like people got to understand being

(33:31):
signed with like a Kanye West or Jay Z it
is chill mode. Everybody's cool. We signed with fifty cent
that got problems with everybody, and we talking about street
niggas world, Jimmy Henchman praying this goals or history.

Speaker 3 (33:47):
Dude, did he have beef with them or they had
beef with him? Because it's two different things to me,
because it seemed like with fifty fifty was like done
with that life.

Speaker 4 (33:56):
But they keep trying to bring fifty back.

Speaker 1 (33:59):
It's just always been drama, like gave Like I'm gonna
tell you, like I believe hip hop police was like
damn near created because of us. Like hip hop police
used to pull me over. You used to be like yo,
you number one on the list. Yo. Yo at that point, wow,
because we had so much drama that it was like
Jeanne it was, Yo, why they never out Jeane is
being from the club. Niggas had bulletproof trucks like my

(34:22):
bulletproof truck. I remember I had some people from Hot
ninety seven, the radio station, and they was like, yo,
you know you got bullet holes in my truck. And
that shit was normal life than me because when I
came home, I came from from a dream. I'm a
fifties house, his grandmother house, mistal peace to his grandma
and his grandfather. And it's a little house, not much room.

(34:45):
It was all a dream. Were listening to some of
giv Should I trying on the stereo, and then I
come home, I go to jail. I'm hearing him on
the radio every day. We're blowing up off the mixtapes
and he blew up. It's all a dream still to me.
I'm here with shit in the shop. I'm gonna shame
shape shit like it's a dream to me. So I'm
more appreciative than a lot of other people.

Speaker 3 (35:07):
Right, did you ever worry about like getting robbed, because,
like you know, this is a cash This is a
cash business, bro.

Speaker 4 (35:14):
So you know, and when you give off, you take
the money you put it in.

Speaker 1 (35:17):
People know you got money on listening when you got it,
like fifty telling you my first Jacob watch. I got
a Jacob on now too, this five times on listen,
So Jacob watch. He gave me my first Jacob watch,
and fifty said, yo, never don't forget niggas, blow your
head off of this shit. See, fifty was he was
ahead of his time. That's what people didn't understand. He

(35:39):
was ahead of his time, meaning he was he because
I'm only two, he only two years older than me, right,
but he was ahead of his time even when he
was outside of twelve. That had him more advanced than
a lot of niggas. He was ahead of his time.
He always was a market in genius. He always was smart.
When he gave me the watch, he said, oh, don't
forget a nigga, blow your head off of that. That

(36:02):
shit stuck in my head like, oh shit, yeah.

Speaker 4 (36:04):
Well you should have learned your lesson with that damn
starter jacket.

Speaker 1 (36:06):
Yeah I did. That was it. That's true to start
a jacket back in the days.

Speaker 4 (36:11):
So you know, what they'll do for Jacob.

Speaker 1 (36:13):
No, but for the Jacob. You had to remind me
because a lot of rappers, you know that that Jeury.
You know some you know, they feel like they'll die
for their chain. Look at rest in Peace, P and
b Rock, Look you know they got him. You at
the waffle house in South Central. Look at Pop Smoke,
you know you in Beverly Hills, but Hooper Streak down
the block. It's a sad thing. But for me, I

(36:36):
don't care.

Speaker 4 (36:36):
About ju hell now isn't sure?

Speaker 1 (36:40):
Yeah, give me a nice car, jump out of that
with nothing on. I don't care about it because I
feel like, at a certain point, when you're an artist,
your face is a jewel. Yeah, so niggas like nipsey
Us who face was a jew Pop Smoke face was
a jew P and b Rock your faces. You you
don't even got to wear a Jeury. Niggas know who
you are, and if you don't wear it, niggas ain't

(37:01):
gonna do shit to you. They don't care. But now
Roberts know, Oh yo, that's a rich ad millie. Oh shit,
that's all that's a dig. Yeah, that's worked one hundred
and fifty. Oh shit, yo, yo, that's a dum yo yo.
He got And you gotta think you got niggas in
the hood that where they lived is cheapen than with
that watch you.

Speaker 4 (37:19):
Got on, Oh for sure.

Speaker 1 (37:22):
And it's like this everywhere Philly, Chicago, New York. Because
I just for me, I'm to the point in life
where I just don't hang out in certain places. I'd
rather hang out with my lawyer or something, go to
dinner or go somewhere. I don't need to bring a pistol.
But fifty was telling us that years ago, like, yo,
you don't need to go here. Yo, you don't need
to go there. And we used to have hip hop

(37:43):
Police honers. They used to jump us out the car.
Government name grab us, spot o waist. Hip Hop Police
was on its because we was the most dangerous rap
group in the world. Don't let these these the industry
for you because they always knocked g unit because of
what we've done. We got down with Eminem, my favorite
white boy, to be mad at him. We got down
with Doctor D a West Coast nigga. We left New York. Yeah,

(38:06):
that was the best deal ever, you know, and we
took over the industry. We sold video games. We so clothes,
we so sneakers, and we definitely sold records, yes, you know,
and a lot of people try to take shit away
because we was the most hated. We was the niggas
that was like, y'all events, your parties, your white parties.
This fifty always been like that. So it made us

(38:30):
like that. We always had to move militants, bulletpoof trucks,
vessus cold on. It was a time where man, it
was guns everywhere. Man, I ain't gonna lie to you.

Speaker 4 (38:40):
Isn't that a very tough way to live.

Speaker 1 (38:43):
It's very tough to this day. I watched my back
because it's just being an artist is a tough thing.

Speaker 4 (38:48):
But damn, you don't have peace. You don't have peace.
You say you will have to watch your back.

Speaker 1 (38:54):
I think being a rapper you never have your piece, man, Damn.
I just think that's just the life of a rapper.
You're never gonna have your piece. It's gonna be obstacles,
it's gonna be women, it's gonna be drugs, it's gonna
be gambling, addiction, car addiction, jewelry, addiction, keeping up with
the Joneses. See for me, I don't care about all

(39:16):
that shit, because it's all about image. That shit all fake.
I pray to God every day he makes sure I'm good.
The real ship. Dave Chappelle ever, he told me, said,
you know why you turn out all that money? God
sent my belly full. But I was the realest shit
I've heard from somebody. So for me being in rooms
with Mike Tyson, Dave Chappelle, I'm up listen, I'm like

(39:38):
a sponge. I remember Tyson telling me it's a party.
My first time meeting Mike Tyson. Everybody's in there, serena venus.
I'm like this, I'm gonna from the hood, like yo,
I can't believe I'm in a party with these people,
you know. And Mike Tyson said, expandard rise and s yeay.
Some caviar came and I never forgot that. That's what
made me. Caviar s card gold caviar pancakes in Paris.

(40:02):
Them experiences for me is good. I'm good, I'm straight. Yeah,
I feel good being We just was in Italy partying
with the owner of one of the owners of Ray
Band and the owner of Dosegabona. Wow, you know, I
don't been in parties with Wesley Snipes. I'm like this
from New Jack City.

Speaker 4 (40:20):
Yeah, you know, Nigato.

Speaker 1 (40:23):
I'm thinking of New Jack City when I see this Nigga.
We somewhere Aspen, We somewhere Film Festival, Kardashians in there.
We're performing with Jim Carrey. I'm like, Yo, this is
Jim Curry. Oh shit, I mean Samuel Jackson. Oh shit,
I'm in these rooms. To me, that's worth for a
billion dollars. Man, I could be going tomorrow and that's

(40:46):
I'll take that with you.

Speaker 4 (40:48):
So how do you you drug game? So how do
you get into the rap game?

Speaker 1 (40:52):
Oh? Well, my man Fat Shah, he used to be
a DJ, so he had one of them houses that
everybody can go too smoke because Pops wasn't tripping out
to RP. That's the big g. And we used to
just be there when the block was hot. We used
to run there and we used to wrap on the
mic in the basement because you know, in Queen's it
was all about the mixtape. You know, we grand Master Vic,

(41:12):
DJ Dog, Tom Blazing, Amazing, Duick. We had all kind
of DJs, so that was like the shit to go
to the Hole in the world parties. They might get
shot up, but that's back in the days. My man
has to bring eight ten crates. So back in the days,
those are to me. I love DJs now, but those
computer shit is different. Party gets shot up, my man
fast shot. We still gotta stay there and get his

(41:33):
ten crates because he's gonna die of his crazy. Resting
peace to my niggas. Yea, you know what I'm saying.
We started like that. We used to be in the basement.
We'll rap over Wu Tang shit. We used to listen
to Joe Jealous, want Envy. We used to listen all
kind of shit. My man was a dope DJ. Everybody
knew him in the hood, so that's when we started
rapping and playing around. I started rapping with him. First
we had little group rags, the riches, and then you know, fifty.

(41:57):
You know, we had lost boys popping in our hood.
Rest in peace, freaky top that was. That was like
the first niggas, freaky towers popping in the hood. Littlest
boy's being around. Fifty had you know, to deal with
Jim Master j But fifty was to get money at
the Benz and all that, So that's how he got
to deal with Ja because he was like seventeen with
the Bens Damn, you know what I'm saying. So Jay
looking at him, like, who this nigga he box running

(42:17):
around the hood? Fifty was a crazy nigga, like everybody's
smoking drink, he running around the projects.

Speaker 2 (42:21):
I liked.

Speaker 1 (42:24):
So with that, it was a different nigga, Like he
knocked niggas out in the hood. So yeah, he had
a name, you know what I'm saying, because he boxed,
you know what I'm saying. But he had to deal
with Ja. So from Jay, from there he went to Columbia.
So I used to be with him all the time, Like, Yo,
this nigga. Fifth is ill. Like Fifth was in the basement.
I ain't even you know. He was a hustler. I

(42:45):
ain't know him for rapping, but he started rapping. Shit
was crazy. His first album he did, Powered a Dollar,
still one of my favorite albums.

Speaker 3 (42:52):
Wow, why does it seem Why does it seem like
it's a natural progression from somebody that comes off the
street and they go straight to.

Speaker 4 (43:01):
The rap game.

Speaker 1 (43:03):
Remember when Biggie said you have a slinger crack rock
or you got a wake a jump shot es Uh Yeah,
I mean it was like music was an outlet like people,
music is a wait for somebody.

Speaker 4 (43:13):
You know.

Speaker 1 (43:13):
It was our get away from the hood. You're running
away from gun police, you running away from narcotics, you're
running away from you know, bullshit going in the hood.
You know, It's just like it was our escape. And
we started doing the mixtapes and people accepted. That's why
Shelter Allerg and the fans they rock with us because
what we did was solid. We had the streets. You know,

(43:33):
back in the days people wanted to beat up bootleggers.
The bootleggers was our friends, right, That's what I was saying.
With fifty of marketing. People used to come up to
your fifth, I'm gonna beat up this boot legger. He
got your shit, and Fifth be like, why are you
doing that? They're the marketing team looking at him like
he turned out deals for millions. I used to be
in these meetings like and why are you doing that?

(43:56):
Not Fifth, that's not not yeah, that's not to deal.
Riding around in nineteen, I don't know what here is.
Ben was we had a buick with no AC, we
got vests and guns on why you just turned down
one point five million. Nah Yao, that's not the deal.
Was always smart, always ahead of his time. That's why

(44:17):
people be mad.

Speaker 2 (44:18):
Yo.

Speaker 1 (44:18):
You always mention fifty fifty is the reason a lot
of shit happened. But you know how shit is now.
You can't even post a picture or say nothing good
about a nigga.

Speaker 4 (44:26):
You O don't feel Oh you're glazing you.

Speaker 1 (44:28):
Watching fifty cars. You're glazers.

Speaker 4 (44:30):
Yo.

Speaker 1 (44:30):
You know he was gonna say fifty your things. But
you know he was the reason a lot of nigga's
lives changed. And I'll never take away nothing, nothing from
him or talk bad about him because, like I said,
it's never him.

Speaker 4 (44:44):
Did you so? How so how old were you when
you first met fifty?

Speaker 1 (44:49):
Oh? I know fifty, Like fifty had to be like
twelve years old. He was like the youngest on the block.
So when I used to go to the store when
he was twelve, I was ten. I'm thinking about Chuck Norris,
Bruce Lee, right, shit like that. You know the Transformers,
he man, you know little shit.

Speaker 4 (45:04):
Right.

Speaker 1 (45:05):
So you go to the store of my Pops. You
see the littlest on the block, twelve years old, and
they have the rhymestone jacket that say, booboo with the
hot rods of rings. It's a little kid. So he
stood out. She was like I said, it was twelve
years old, got a little on the block this side
with nothing but over grown with a rhyme stone jacket.

(45:25):
A rhymestone jacket back in the days was the shit
yeah and the hot rose of ring you looking like
hold on the funck.

Speaker 3 (45:32):
So is that from that basement where you go to
your your partner's house and his pop was cool with
you guys smoking? Is that where g unit was formed at?

Speaker 1 (45:42):
I would say that in a way, but not in
a way because fifty had to deal with Jim Master
j And then after he got shot, he came back
and you know, me and him got together and then
I brung Banks to him. I brung Banks to him
because Banks was a little younger. Banks was younger than
both of us. And then he just came with the
blueprint like, Yo, we're gonna do this, and y'all gotta

(46:02):
go to the studio. So me and him and Banks
started going to the studio and then we started doing
the mixtapes, and the mixtapes was killing the streets, like
we had New York City on lock stop taking away
shit from giguing to y'all. And Banks is one of
the top five two lyricists. But we just had some
shit man dropping. We was dropping dropping and people was
loving it. Fifth was just he's just a natural writer. Banks.

(46:26):
He just write balls for breakfast, you know. Me and me,
I think people respect my energy. I have balls, but
I think people love my energy on stage and as
well as.

Speaker 4 (46:35):
With the music.

Speaker 3 (46:37):
Yeah, do you remember about getting Do you remember what
you were doing the morning, mid afternoon, late afternoon when
you got the call that fifty had got shot nine times?

Speaker 1 (46:48):
Oh? Now I remember that. Yeah. I went right to
his block, like I forgot who called me? But I
went right to his grandmother block because he only lived
two blocks away, you know.

Speaker 4 (46:57):
And you didn't hear anything. You'd hear, no como, I
had no.

Speaker 1 (47:00):
Shots, I guess. I got up late or whatever, and
I walked to the block and the block was cut off,
already fixed off. Yeah, it was cut off, and it
was yellow tape there, and shit, mad yellow tape, Like,
oh shit, I feel like I need my chapstick. Man.
My chap stick had founded, but it was mad yellow
tape on the block. So you couldn't even go down.

Speaker 4 (47:21):
You couldn't You couldn't get to it.

Speaker 1 (47:22):
Yeah, you couldn't even get to it. Got lighter. I
don't even got chapstick, yo. So I couldn't get to it.
And I went to the hospital. What's the one on
that'd you make avenue? That's Mary mackallin Mary Macklin. That's
the hospital that saved him. And I went in there
and you know, it was mad. You know people there,
people we knew. And I was like, yo, what's going on?

(47:43):
And he was like, fifthy don't want to see nobody.
And then later on down the line, I asked him.
I was like, yo, why you never wanted me to
see you? And he was like, at that point, I
couldn't see you see see see me in weakness. It
would have fucked your head up. Probably would have scared you,
you know, cause the niggas that he's dealing with like
cream and them niggas ain't no you know what I mean,

(48:05):
There ain't no pushovers. It's real nigga. So he was like, yo,
I wouldn't want you to see me like that, But
fifty didn't give a fuck lady.

Speaker 4 (48:12):
I mean, you do realize for somebody to get hit
nine times and survive. He got a calling.

Speaker 1 (48:18):
Definitely. I believe it's his grandma. Rest in peace. She was.
She was outside when he got hit. And then you
gotta think about this. She was a church lady.

Speaker 4 (48:27):
You know.

Speaker 1 (48:28):
She was a church lady. You know well, I know
when I was over there, I used to be scared
of fifty.

Speaker 4 (48:32):
Grandma.

Speaker 1 (48:33):
She's real stun She might not say much, but she
was going going church lady. I think she she fifty
quiet side and I think fifty loud side. Where he
get crazy is his grandfather's side. He's something his grandfather. Yeah,
one day I'm laying on the couch on the run,
and he was like, Yo, you're gonna have to face that.
I ain't hurt him someday, damn. And I was like,
I thought about being on the run. I'm like, damn.

(48:54):
He put my day up with that one. Yeah, rest
in peace to Grandpa. He fucked my day with that woman.

Speaker 4 (49:00):
Did you think you did you think fifty would make
it through this situation? Men? Did they give you that?

Speaker 3 (49:05):
I mean, did the doctors tell anybody? Because you couldn't
see him, But did the doctors come out there when
he was talking to his grandmother. You happen to be
around his grandfather, and he says, the proagnosis doesn't look good.

Speaker 1 (49:15):
I mean I didn't even know. I just remember saying
he didn't want to see nobody was at the hospital
for a while and everybody just left.

Speaker 4 (49:21):
M how old was pet at this time?

Speaker 1 (49:25):
Have to be in his twenties man twenty four, twenty five, damn.
And then he came back. When he came back, he
used to be strapped every day, you know, big vests
on when he's driving. That then, and he didn't care.
If he's seen his enemies, it would have been over
at that point.

Speaker 3 (49:42):
Well, I'm glad y'all didn't see nobody. Yeah, me too,
as we made it this far, well hopefully hopefully it's
over now.

Speaker 1 (49:49):
Yeah yeah.

Speaker 3 (49:50):
I mean when you heard the song Wangster, if he
played it, he played it for you, Yeah, did you
think like, okay.

Speaker 1 (49:57):
This is it Wangster? I didn't. I didn't think, you
know what, you never know what's the hit record?

Speaker 3 (50:04):
You know what. I'm glad you said that, because, you
know what, every time I asked somebody, oh, I know
that thing was smoking.

Speaker 1 (50:09):
Oh I knew he was gonna be a star. Oh yah,
damn and I knew. I'm like, but damn cut the cap.
You never know what's gonna be a hit record. Like
artists might have a record that they like, like, y'all,
I like this record, and then the record that they
don't even think, Like fifty didn't like many men. I
had to talk him into that. Really, he didn't like
many men. Yoldest records too slow man. I used to

(50:30):
be in a crib. You bugging. It's one of the
hardest records.

Speaker 4 (50:32):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (50:33):
One thing about me is I always had the ear
when we're in the studio and I'm in the studio
with Dre and them, you just know that get rich
and I try, AND's gonna be some shit Like That's
one of my best experiences in my life, being in
the studio with Doctor Dre and Eminem. Doctor Dre was
different for me because you know, he smoked Hello weed.
You know the weeders in there. Yeah, Kneyacs in there.

(50:54):
I'm in LA for the first time, Like, oh shit,
he's playing in the club. B He's playing and p
I M P B he's playing. He got all the
ship in the vote. I'm like, damn snigger. Doctor Dre
gotta be one of the best producers in the world.
That's one of my best experiences. Then when you're with Eminem,
Eminem is more serious, like he got playing pianos and

(51:16):
guitars and ship like that.

Speaker 4 (51:18):
You're like, damn, ain't no smoking.

Speaker 1 (51:20):
Eminem will tell you many men the footsteps he'd be
like them footsteps are from poltr Geyst Like what you know,
that's a producer that's like that. Those are the footsteps
from polter Guyst Like that's and many men. I'm like,
he's listening to the little things. Damn they just take
they take away from Eminem. Let's keep it real because

(51:42):
he a white boy. Yeah, let's keep it real. I
don't listen to Eminem. I don't listen to him in
the car, so it don't yo listen. It don't matter.
He's still billions on. He still do pillions of streams.
You know when you look and then look at what
he did group wise, right, you got twelve twelve, you
got g unit yep, fifty cosine, you got Grizzelda. Right. No, no,

(52:07):
let's let's let's not forget. Let's forget about Joe buttons.
Let's go back to slow the House because you can't
forget Joe buttons in them and then Griselda. All them
cosins helped bring successful art success to these artists, you
don't think so yeah, for sure, the worldwide because of Eminem.

Speaker 4 (52:24):
I don't know why people have a hard time giving
people credit.

Speaker 1 (52:26):
It's Benzino. It's the only one. Benzeno. He can't get
over it because when you look at him, it's like them.
It's like them. There destroyed the Source magazine. When you
really think about its nailing the coffin, it was over.
Benzino kept getting that eminem. But the machine was so
big that it was like what, yeah, you can't tell
all right, you got the biggest rapper right now, fifty

(52:47):
cent Mum, we're gonna go to double x hel and.

Speaker 4 (52:51):
Then you got the Source and you got what you
got dre at that time.

Speaker 1 (52:57):
Come on, you heard them beats on, get it start trying, beast.
Come on, bro, Snoop Dogg, come on, shout out to Snoop.

Speaker 3 (53:06):
Like if you're an actor and you say, well, you know,
Denzel Washington is my acting coach, that's instant credibility.

Speaker 1 (53:12):
Even when you look at game game did five million?
He sold a lot of records. I would never hate
on Game. I was on his first album, but come on,
doctor dre Co sound, Yes, fifty Coach sounds at the
same time, Eminem g Unit, Come on bro. Anybody who
sound on JUnit at that time was gonna platinum, gonna
go without a problem.

Speaker 4 (53:31):
I am.

Speaker 1 (53:33):
But never bite the hand that feeds you. That's what
I learned about this. Never shit on the person that
turned the lights on fifty gets me tomorrow, yo. I'm
good for disrespect because you turned the lights on for me.
And I appreciate that.

Speaker 3 (53:50):
Sometimes people have a hard time remembering or real life,
or they have short term memory because what they didn't
do it yesterday, that was ten years ago, that fifteen
years ago. Because we're living in a society. Now, what
have you done for me lately?

Speaker 1 (54:04):
Exactly?

Speaker 3 (54:05):
I'll never forget what someone has done for me. Be
it ten years, fifteen, twenty years, it doesn't matter. Everybody
got at me because when Skipping I had our public
thing on television, I said I was sitting across from
him because he hadn't signed for me, I wouldn't have
been able to do I wouldn't have been able to
be in that situation so he could get at me

(54:25):
like that. I got back on television. I was out
of television for two years, even when they didn't want
the higher uposite Fox that want He says, I won't
do the show unless he's a cross for me. That's real, man,
Please light you can't forget that. Yeah, I mean he

(54:46):
might say it might. Yeah, it hurt at the time,
but I still realized that the position that I made
a lot of what I have was because I got
back on television and he gave me an opportunity to
show how well around that I was, that I could
talk about a lot of other things other than foot ball.

Speaker 4 (55:00):
He gave me that opportunity. I'm ever grateful.

Speaker 1 (55:03):
That's how I feel. I'm forever grateful anybody put me on.
That's why I always shout out eminem and doctor Dre. Yeah,
for sure, you show you do too much. Now you
can't even put a picture with social media. He clazed,
and yeah, man, yeah, yo, fifty fifties kids. Yes that
you're watching fifties car. Yeah, but it's cool for me
because that I learned. I put my faith in God.
That shit don't mean shit to me. I've been making

(55:25):
money before there was a Instagram. I've been traveling the
country before there was a Instagram. That shit don't mean
nothing to me. And I know how the rap game is.
I don't like me, right, and I'm cool with that.
I'm not mad at anybody. I got money with fifty.
I don't need to be friends with everybody. I never
disrespect nobody, right, you know, I just sit back and
be humble.

Speaker 4 (55:45):
That's it. Well, you guys started to blow up. You
on the run.

Speaker 1 (55:50):
Yeah, I had a gun charge.

Speaker 4 (55:53):
Why did you go on and face the charge?

Speaker 1 (55:55):
Honestly? There was this judge, his name is Judge Wong,
and he was like, no joke, And I just wanted
nobody wants to go to jail.

Speaker 4 (56:01):
Sha, sha, what damn you should have put You could
have put that thing you put put the tool down?

Speaker 1 (56:08):
No, So yeah, I mean I was bugging out. I
got slipping. Things happened, but for me, I didn't want
to go to jail. So I got a passport. I
put my brother's name on it because we look alike.
I went into passport building and everything, and I got
a passport and traveled everywhere. I went to Barcelona, I
went to Spain. I was around eminem doctor Dre.

Speaker 4 (56:27):
I was damn.

Speaker 1 (56:28):
I never wanted to go to jail. I was like, yo,
I got a friend like that. He was running forever.
He just got caught the other day. Nobody wants to
go to jail. They'll run if they have to. So
I was running. I'm like, damn, traveling the country. But
after nine to eleven happened. Rest in peace to everybody
in that situation. It turned into a federal crime. So
people at the office were so stupid. I'm gonna tell

(56:49):
you what it was.

Speaker 4 (56:49):
It was.

Speaker 1 (56:50):
I don't want to say the girl name, but they
gave me my paperwork. I'm just from jail. I had
my first day out coming home. I got my paperwork.
I didn't even check the paperwork. Paperwork had the passport
in there, and the passport had my brother's name. It
was a faulty passport. I go to parole and handing
and shit to my parole officer. No here, man, I'm excited.

(57:11):
I'm home. I'm Tony Yale. Oh shit, the paperwork home.
Get to see my daughter. She was born. Gave the
paperwork to my parole office. He was like, wait, a
minute's passport with your face but not your name. This
is a phony document. He called a fag. In my
first day out, I had to go back to the jail.
I went to a federal prison. What well, it was

(57:34):
a reception jill in DC. They had me in there
for a minute. I was in MDC because that was
like a They gave me six months and probation because
it was a federal law. Once after nine to eleven,
you got a fake passport, not a federal crown.

Speaker 4 (57:49):
Damn you get out one day.

Speaker 1 (57:51):
Just my luck. Life ain't never been easy for me
like that.

Speaker 4 (57:55):
But I got buzzered luck.

Speaker 1 (57:56):
Hell, you know, I was in that set. I was like, fuck,
that's when you drop a till when you by yourself.

Speaker 4 (58:03):
Was that the first time you cried in jail?

Speaker 1 (58:05):
No? I mean that was the first time. Yeah, Because
my first day, I'm like, you out, we got freedom?

Speaker 4 (58:10):
You skipping up there?

Speaker 1 (58:11):
You know what's up? On the ride, I'm handcuffed and
I'm hearing I wanted to get to know your Jeuneus song.
I'm like, oh my god, bro, it's on the radio.
That ship is Jeune is playing. I want to get
to know you with Joe. I'm like, damn, man, got
to myself. Yeah, dropped a till we are a human man.

Speaker 4 (58:32):
You spend time on fifty on fifties couch, slip on
his couch.

Speaker 1 (58:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (58:37):
The family is around. Tell the people the protocol. If
your man's let you sleep at his place. Oh yeah,
and he got a baby mama. Yeah, the protocols. Make
sure you fully closed. Always keep sweat pants on. Try
to stay out the way.

Speaker 1 (58:54):
Yes, the business, yes, you know, keep a shirt on. Yes,
and try to stay out the way as much as
you can. Don't smoke any house, don't do too much.
Don't open a figerator unless I asked, if you ask.

Speaker 3 (59:06):
Because I don't know. I mean I think they're real. Well,
I don't know, man to live there. I mean like
on the couches.

Speaker 1 (59:14):
You know, I'm not but I'm.

Speaker 4 (59:15):
Saying, but just you know, I mean you you crashed
the couch, man, and and and the people's there.

Speaker 1 (59:19):
I feel like this for me once it's your lady,
I don't even look. I look at that into my
eyes as that's that's just how it was. Yes, okay,
that's you know. Niggas get smoke with ship like that
for real though, Like I'm not want your wife. I
don't even want your side joint if you have one,
Like I'm just that's just how I am. I don't
play dude play with dudes women. So for me, that

(59:39):
was ciss at that time. You know. And I had
love for a son. I still got love for a son,
mar Keith, still got loved for him. You know what
I'm saying. I still got love for him. You know,
sometimes baby moms get at me a little bit online,
but I don't pay no mind to that, man. I
just stay humble.

Speaker 4 (59:54):
Man.

Speaker 3 (59:55):
You know you told the story that the granddad told you.
Do you go ahead the face out, that's still curtain.

Speaker 1 (01:00:01):
I remember, yeah, I remember fifty baby mams. One time
we was at dinner and she was like, y'all are
all robots, right, because we only listen to what fifty said.
We never she say something we ain't be that's white,
that's your girl. We go over here, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,
So fifty say something, we do it. So I remember
one time she said, y'all are all robots, and man, man,
Halleen was like, we are robots. That shit was funny.

Speaker 4 (01:00:24):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:00:24):
I got the stories man, she got. I'm always getting
put through the ringer yao, because look when somebody on
took the fifth no more. It's automatic yay y'all. Yeah,
except for banks. You know what I mean. It's automatic
ya yo yo, yayo too man, and I'll be like, damn, I.

Speaker 4 (01:00:43):
Ain't even Yeah, you got be with him? How I
get drugg into it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:46):
It's always like that. You heard Fat Joe. We wanted
to kill yo yo, throw him in the truck. They
were serious. Everybody wanted It's always yayo right and ya yo.
Stay out of the business. I love fifty, I stay
out of his business. Whatever happens he does personally, that's
what he gotta deal with. I don't.

Speaker 4 (01:01:04):
I don't get involved in that.

Speaker 1 (01:01:05):
That's my that's your lady, that's your your kid. I
ain't got nothing to do with that. That's mart Keis.
I got a love for him. I ain't got no
problems with.

Speaker 4 (01:01:12):
Him, but that's between him and fifty. Yeah, I stayed.

Speaker 1 (01:01:15):
That's none of my business. I stay out of people relationships.

Speaker 4 (01:01:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:01:19):
You know how sometimes in the hood, nigga might be
slapping up his girl or something like that and it
comes saving and now they're all both beating you up. Yeah, yeah,
stay out of relationship business.

Speaker 4 (01:01:29):
Can yo gonna be back together?

Speaker 1 (01:01:34):
I stay out of people's business.

Speaker 4 (01:01:36):
You got to you know.

Speaker 1 (01:01:36):
That's how I made it this far, especially where we're from.
Mind your business, New York City, that's one thing we
good at.

Speaker 4 (01:01:42):
Yeah, y'all doing business, y'all, y'all pretare y'all don't see nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:01:46):
It's like, man, you just people take and you know what,
people from the South take it personally.

Speaker 4 (01:01:50):
They do they help, We help everybody like, nah, don't
do that. Don't do that.

Speaker 1 (01:01:55):
Listen when you even think about it, right Ross and
fifty right Ross is not they got a beef because
fifty didn't say it up to them. That's just a
New York thing. One of the awards. I wasn't there,
but that's how it sparred. Nigga ain't say what's up
to me? Because down south, y'all have more.

Speaker 4 (01:02:15):
Of a Hey, how you doing?

Speaker 1 (01:02:18):
Apple parttier Crib York is looking right, isn't it? That ship? Yeah?
My man moms one time we eating we rest her soul,
my man stripe, we eating she come to us. You
have the people next door off your food, don't eat it.
Two minutes later, God came and tried Broom's plate be like, non,
We're good. I don't know till this day why she

(01:02:39):
said that, but I listened to him. New York we
were just different, be getting beat up. I don't care
if you're white, Jewish, Black, Mexican, Dominican, Puerto Rican, whatever nationality, Jewish,
everybody's talk. You might think this dude is salt. I
don't talk to me like that. Be ready to box.
So New York, we just naturally line our business and

(01:03:00):
keep it moving. So when you look at the whole
world situation and I know he probably gonna go in Yoyo,
I'm in my pool, you whatever, because I don't care
about all that material ship my higher powers up there
right So for me, like you just met, you have
a beef with a nigga because it save it up.

(01:03:20):
But that's just more of a New York thing. Right
down south, y'all, Embracey shuffle more and I love that too.
I love going to Atlanta.

Speaker 4 (01:03:25):
We do.

Speaker 1 (01:03:26):
I love it like that. We love it. You go
to the country and people say, how are you? We're
not used to that.

Speaker 3 (01:03:31):
Ship because when I moved, I remember when I moved,
When I moved to Atlanta, the white guy crossed the street.

Speaker 4 (01:03:37):
He brought me a cake.

Speaker 1 (01:03:42):
City. What's the last time you said.

Speaker 4 (01:03:45):
He brought me a cake? Yo? He says. Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:03:48):
He's like, if you ever go out of town, you
need me to watch a house, I'll watch the house.
I end up giving a man a key to the house.

Speaker 1 (01:03:56):
That's that's crazy. I'm gonna tell you why. When we overseas,
me and my man and uncle Murder, we do odds
and evens to see if certain white people gonna get
in the elevator with us, because we black niggas in
a five star hotel, so we're not supposed to be
we the only niggas in the hotel. Yeah, we here
because you know, on a be app of fifty cent,
we do odds and evens. Yo, Is this nigga gonna

(01:04:16):
get in elevator with us? Damn sure? Spin around. I
seen a little kid run in the elevator. Moms, what
are you doing? We in a Mani hotel. We in
the best hotels in the world. They ain't never seen
in there. Like, man, nigga, what we got pulled over
on our way here yesterday? My man want to argue

(01:04:37):
at police. I'm like, why do you all. You know
what we got pulled over for? Shut the Yeah, you
know what I got pulled over for? Nigga? You know.

Speaker 4 (01:04:51):
You fit?

Speaker 1 (01:04:53):
I hate sometimes I ain't gonna friend. I hate when
people argue with police. What I got pulled for? You
know what you got pulled over for? Well, it's Trump
shit going on. Like I told you, my man running
through DC, you gotta don't even want to drive, damn. Yeah.
I hope they don't come to New York and all
these other places.

Speaker 4 (01:05:10):
Yeah, but it's crazy Rikers, What was what was right?
How long were you at Rikers?

Speaker 1 (01:05:16):
I was in Rikers for like a couple of months.
That's the worst place to be in there. Yeah, it's
the worst man.

Speaker 4 (01:05:22):
That's over the boy laguardiat man.

Speaker 1 (01:05:23):
Yeah, it's the worst man.

Speaker 4 (01:05:25):
Y'all see your players take did you day dream? I mean,
could you see?

Speaker 1 (01:05:28):
That's the real? To me, that's the real gladiator school.
Like one thing about New York, New York Grimy is
different than everywhere else. Like niggas used to spit raisers out,
they mouth like people used to be professional girls who
cut you. Like New York is just it is grimy.
So like Rikers, Allen like a motherfucker spit a raise
out on you, cut you, and you wouldn't even see
it coming. That's how it is for breakfast. It's not

(01:05:50):
a game. That's one of the most scariest experiences you
could have in life. Damn, it's going to It's going
to rikers out. You're going over the red you see
the Home of the Boldest, you bumping on it. It's
your first time being you know, it's It's the most
insane thing I had to deal with in life. I
never wanted to go to jail again. You gotta smell

(01:06:11):
other people, ship, take showers and ship. Watch your back.
This just broke up with this girl. You got gang
over here extoring this nigga. You got bucket stolen, cut
the cigarettes like what the whole nother world shal in
prison is a whole nother world I never want. I
did skip bids, like I learned my lesson off a
little bits like all that I can never do.

Speaker 4 (01:06:33):
So, what's the difference between between jail and and and
and prison?

Speaker 1 (01:06:37):
Oh, jailers rikers Allen m DC prison is you know,
up top the mountains, you where you have to You
gotta figure out what car you're gonna be in that's prison, prison,
whole nother world. That's when you go up North Green
all that Attica, that's prison. Jail is Rikers Allen right,
m d C MCC that's federal. You know. Yeah, Yo, listen,

(01:07:01):
it was to a point when it's g unit. And
this is one thing where I say I love fifty
again is we had a lawyer for every situation. We
had Steve Murphy and bodies. We had Scott Lehman Federal,
we had Bob Macedonian State. The list goes on and on.

(01:07:24):
Edwin Hammond I haven't heard from. He was a parole lawyer.
There's a different lawyer for every situation. So a lot
of these kids they get in trouble and they don't
even have the lawyer money. The lawyer money is the
main thing you need to make sure you're good, because
we're a legal aid. You're going straight to prison even
if you innocent.

Speaker 3 (01:07:40):
Oh yeah, he gonna he gonna what he gonna be
a hey, he gonna pleae he gonna pleae that Yale.

Speaker 1 (01:07:46):
Yeah, there was a lawyer supply for every situation, got
every situation, and I needed one for that. But jail
experience prison. I never really went to I did a
shock program. Everybody be like, oh, he went to shock,
he can go to real jail. That's right. I wanted
to get home. He was blowing up. You out sold
jay Z that year, right with Beg for Mercy. Right.
I remember seeing it in the paper when of the

(01:08:07):
CEO's going to it was like, Beg for Mercy, that's you, right.
I was on the cover.

Speaker 3 (01:08:13):
Had that look you on the cover of magazine and
you were here. Yeah, They're like, bro, you don't get
your ass out of here.

Speaker 1 (01:08:20):
That's why I always say. Eminem wearing a free Ale
shit at the Grammys was like that was a turning
point in my life because he didn't have to do that.
I was on Rikers Island and that was like, yo,
free aal Eminem. You know, at this point he's selling
sixteen million records, hard copies, not streams, not a machine.
This is facts, Like you're going an f Ye blockbuster. Wow, yeah,

(01:08:40):
target good times sixteen million.

Speaker 3 (01:08:44):
So when m got that shirt on free Yale, are
you watching it?

Speaker 4 (01:08:49):
Are you watch to watch it?

Speaker 1 (01:08:51):
They and they look at you like yeah, shout out
to Tracy me new at Paul Rosenberg. They called me
from Shady markle Bell and they was like, YO, make
sure you get to watch the Grammys that night. And
you know I met my house he seventy three. I
didn't go on on no devo shit because you know,
jails about politics, because you know you can get stabbed
over the TV and newspaper. That's what they tell you.
Three warnings, TV, newspaper and the phone. That's where did

(01:09:14):
the first come first?

Speaker 4 (01:09:14):
There is the seniority.

Speaker 1 (01:09:17):
You know, you got the Spanish dudes. They may want
want to watch Cali Coyllie and and then you had
the Black dudes. They may want to watch b Et
or something. But I told them that night, you know,
I just need a couple of seconds to watch the Grammys.
And then they let me rock and I watched the TV.
It wasn't like I came, give me the fucking TV, right,
I was locked up with when the Diddy security guards
big bombs, bro, that was Diddy like men. That was

(01:09:37):
my men. That's my men till this day named bombs.

Speaker 4 (01:09:41):
It's my dude.

Speaker 3 (01:09:45):
You said something very interesting, You said blacks versus Hispanics
in jail. You said, Hispanics go to jail, they're protected
by their own but when blacks go to jail, they're
beefing with their own.

Speaker 1 (01:09:54):
Yeah, that's how Rikers was so kers Rikers. They could
be in the same game. You could be Blood and
I could be Blood and they still banging. Or you
could be Krypt and you could be Crypt and they're
still banging. Why. I don't know, man, It's just the
way it is.

Speaker 4 (01:10:10):
But you say, I mean, you said the Hispanics or
the area.

Speaker 1 (01:10:12):
Oh yeah, whenever Spanish do get to jail. You know
some Spanish you good money, You good money. Yo. You
need sneakers, you need protection, you need a knock.

Speaker 4 (01:10:20):
You need this.

Speaker 1 (01:10:22):
Because that's how they stick together. Bro. You know it's
sometimes black people should stick together.

Speaker 4 (01:10:28):
How can we do that? How can we stick together?

Speaker 1 (01:10:32):
I think it started with people like me and you
talking about it. It's like, what can we do to
make a difference. You got little kids out here with
switches everywhere you go. Nobody cares about them.

Speaker 4 (01:10:42):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:10:43):
Trump just took away a lot of after school program
so you got more little kids in the street. Yeah,
you know, and then the guys that are trying to
help them, that get the grants and try to get
the guys off the street. Like my man Dreux from
Shady You know that he works with the kids. He
brings rappers around them, people like you. They need, they

(01:11:03):
need a way out. That's what it is. Because my
kids are good. I'm good, you know. Now it's what
can I do to make things better? We gotta talk
about it. Where do switches come from?

Speaker 4 (01:11:13):
Why can't somebody three and why they ended up in
our community?

Speaker 1 (01:11:16):
Exactly? Why? How? Why can why? How can somebody make
a three D gun?

Speaker 4 (01:11:19):
Now?

Speaker 1 (01:11:21):
Like, where's all this coming from? So we say we
want to clean up the streets, but where is it
coming from?

Speaker 4 (01:11:25):
And why do we need a three D gun?

Speaker 1 (01:11:31):
Because you being in places where when we go to
the Bronx men, listen, I don't even go to the Bronx.
The Bronx me is a no fly zone. Damn yeah, yeah,
I ain't going the Bronx. I might go to Fat
join them dispensary. It's sounding real quick, but I ain't
going to hang out mingle shooting video dangerous out there,
And what it is is, you know, the kids, the

(01:11:52):
shooters are getting younger and younger. They thirteen fourteen, The
got drill rap. Now I just smoked your brother. That
shit is crazy. That shit is some crazy shit. And
I'm not against all of drill music. Sometimes, you know,
some of it is entertaining. But when you're saying you
smoke somebody brother or or did this and did that,
l I killed your brother, that shit is back and forth.

(01:12:14):
That shit is really real.

Speaker 4 (01:12:15):
So now where does it stop? Because you do me
and you do my brother. I got to get you.

Speaker 1 (01:12:20):
It never stops because they go right to Instagram. Because
now I think, like you know how, back in the days,
we used to glorify the drug dealer. Yeah, now they
glorified shooting. The shooting to do with five bodies. That's
why let's keep it real. That's why we like him Gone.
That's why we like blood hand right, Bloodhound, Little Jeff,

(01:12:42):
That's why we like it. People, and listen. I like
gangster music, don't get me wrong, but there's a difference
between gangster music and reality. Yes, you know what I'm saying.
I dealt with the reality part. Like I said, my
mom's crip got shot up. I don't want to go
through that shit. That shit is some real shit, but
shit happens. But now with the drill rap. It's a

(01:13:04):
whole different game now, Yo, you shot my brother, were
gonna kill ten of yours? Go right on Instagram because
now you've got social media. Well that's even more crazy
because they don't care if your mom's in the spot,
your kids. You see it every running on now, they
don't care, man, they don't care. Some innocent people getting
shot just riding through blocks in Chicago. Oh shit, that's

(01:13:26):
the op. No, you just shot an innocent lady. Now
that's when it's going too far. Protect yourself, cool, protect yourself.
You always be able to protect yourself, right, But what
innocent people get hit? Like I told you in Brooklyn
thing lady was sixty one years old. And the Jamaican spot.
How they getting all them guns? As hard as hell

(01:13:47):
to get a gun in New York, Yo, Nah, I
be they hard for you.

Speaker 4 (01:13:53):
Because I'm trying to do it.

Speaker 1 (01:13:54):
Legal guns is like t shirts man. Yo. Look, I
used to think that there was no guns in Canada
until I went out there. It's just the price of
a gun in Canada, of course, more than the price
of a gun in New York. To get it to Canada,
that ship might cost you ten thousand dollars five thousand dollars,
you know what I mean. So the price go up
for the gun. But the guns is everywhere, them ships

(01:14:17):
like Tea. Hey, come on, bro, you see them kids
in Philly, man, yeah, the kids in Chicago.

Speaker 4 (01:14:23):
Come on.

Speaker 1 (01:14:23):
I heard a man say, what the shooting in Brooklyn?
A dude got shot so many times? When they lift
him up, there was it looked like there was no
more blood in his body. Like I said back in
the day's nigga get shot five times, eight times survived.
You don't got a three, You got a nine point
a non.

Speaker 3 (01:14:38):
Point with yeah, yah ya you coulter, no mother get
they get hit with army, which stuff made for the military.

Speaker 1 (01:14:44):
Thirty eight niggas got military?

Speaker 4 (01:14:46):
Yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:14:48):
Now the reason how we finished? How do you how
does it get to the street. How does a sixteen
year old kid got a.

Speaker 4 (01:14:56):
Nine with a buff.

Speaker 1 (01:14:59):
Cop kill is in it with a switch on the back?

Speaker 4 (01:15:03):
Man?

Speaker 3 (01:15:03):
They got their care and guns that they use the
hunt elephants and lines lead.

Speaker 1 (01:15:06):
That's why that's why I say that to me. When
I learned, when I got out the street, I learned
that this ship is all a business. Jail is a business.
Rich buying in jail. Motherfucker got to sit there due
to jail time, right, So put theyself in jail because
with the technology it got Now like let's talk about
an indicting. What is an indicting? You sit there and
you let a person do crimes, Well, lock them up

(01:15:30):
for the first shooting. No, let's let them get more.

Speaker 4 (01:15:32):
Shootings, get more more shooting because you need more time
on it.

Speaker 1 (01:15:36):
Give him a year, give him a hundred years being caught. Like, yo,
he got one hundred and twelve months in the FEDS.
What the what's that not true life? Yeah? You put
a hit out on somebody. Like when I did my
little time in the FEDS, I read the FED lines,
FED guidelines and that was like damn. He was in

(01:15:56):
there selling the FEDS fake bricks. It might not even
be real work. It might be sugar, and you're still
getting charge for them bricks. Yeah, if you call a hit,
y'all want to get this killed? Man, I get the
motherfucker from from LA to kill a nigga in New York. Oh,
that's natural life. Then with the cameras, you got the

(01:16:18):
license plate cameras now speed cameras. So for any criminal,
you do a crime. You're gonna get caught. Then you
got your phone, you go do it. Hit.

Speaker 4 (01:16:28):
That's the worst thing.

Speaker 1 (01:16:29):
Yeah, you see it all time, motherfucker, go do a hit.
I wasn't there, you know what I mean, niggas, I
know locked up y'all. Wasn't there then thinking let's just
go this at and t bro that think ping it's
a lose. New situation is facial recognition. I be talking
at least Evis. I don't know if you know it
from Fox five, but that's a friend of mine, and
she tells me the technologies that police have, like yo yao,

(01:16:52):
they got they'll take cameras off the ATM, they got
facial recognition, they got DNA off the close. Now you're
gonna get caught.

Speaker 4 (01:16:59):
Bro. You mentioned in twenty twenty three that Dori Lanes
would be a target and blow and behold, why was
he not? Why was he not? Why was he in
g pop?

Speaker 1 (01:17:12):
Well, when you look at it, man, when street credibility,
people respect you more, like me being Tony Aoen was
in general population on the island, it was more respect.

Speaker 4 (01:17:20):
Because man, damn dad, damn that respect.

Speaker 1 (01:17:23):
Yeah, that's it was stupid. It was stupid on my part,
I ain't gonna lie. But when you're in PC, they
look at it like, oh yo, you in there with
punk studes, pedophiles. You know you ain't a real one,
So don't want to be in PC. It's less movement.
You might not can't get your wig, you know on
the island. You're on PC, you got police walking with you.
So it's really no comfortability. And then really it's a

(01:17:45):
status thing because let's keep it real. If he wouldn't
be in PC, you want to listen to his music,
The kids ain't.

Speaker 4 (01:17:52):
They wanted to be real, so to be hard, you're
gonna be in there and almost lose your life.

Speaker 1 (01:17:57):
Yeah, it was a dumb thing, general population, a dumb thing.
But you know he should have been secluded because he's
a star and you the biggest target any rapper go
to jail, you the target name.

Speaker 3 (01:18:08):
Yeah, that's just like that's like with anybody, like a
serial killer. We saw with Jeffrey Dahmer, and we see
they they you can't, they can't put you in G pop. Now,
somebody gonna make a name off you.

Speaker 1 (01:18:19):
Yeah, and it's terrible what happened to him, And you
know he should have been more secluded. Even even my
time on the island. When they started to know who
I was, they didn't want to. They were supposed to
be so cool hit to on me, you know what
I'm saying. But they didn't they I was leaving, so
they was like, all right, we ain't gonna put him
in PC, but they'll forcefully put you in there. But
like Toy, they probably wanted to put him in there,
and he probably was like, Nah, I don't want to

(01:18:40):
do that, but that's the life we live. They want
you to be what your music is. You know, that's
just the life we live, man, And it's it's a
point of ignorance. But I can't say, you know, I
was once ignorant. You know. We was like the first
rapper showing guns on mixtapes, right, And so I can't say,
you know, I ain't have my part in some of
this shit. But you know, the whole thing is how

(01:19:01):
you make it better. I'd rather see a motherfucker get
on than be on the block and shoot something because
when New York rappers, we just got bad luck. We
always get indicted or get killed before we get on.
Casting over pop Smoked, the list go on, and on
I either get killed or get indicted. I had a time.

(01:19:23):
Did you see blue face new tattoo? Yeah, all of
his face. Yeah, he's tatted up. You're getting it tasted?

Speaker 4 (01:19:29):
Why you in?

Speaker 1 (01:19:30):
Nah? I think that tattoo is a LA thing, more
like the La niggas put a tattoo on their forehead.
New York niggas really wasn't. That's my first time seeing
the tattoo on the head. I always tell a story
about Shi night when we were in into the I
think it was one eighteen Street, and that's the first
time I seen like a with a full blown tattoo
on his forehead. New York niggas really don't do that

(01:19:50):
shit on they face like that.

Speaker 4 (01:19:54):
When did it was probably before you? But when do
we start? When do we start? Or prison culture? When
was that? Okay? When was that a badge of honor?

Speaker 1 (01:20:06):
Man, it's a sad thing, but I think it was
just it's just been from the from the eighties to on.

Speaker 4 (01:20:13):
It's like.

Speaker 1 (01:20:15):
Graduate school and be like yo him and then come
from jail and we just it's just like we know
it's trained to have something for him. Yeah, yo send
him ten thousand, Yo, Yo, give him me sneakers, yo,
get him a chain. So it's like from the beginning
of time, like from the eighties, just that was the
thing to do every time somebody came home. And I'm
not saying anybody can't make mistakes, you know what I'm saying,

(01:20:38):
But I feel like that graduated high school to college,
he should get glorified too. Yes, you know, he should
have a bag waiting for him too when he graduated.
Not just that came from jail, you know. But it, dude,
come a trend though. You're right, we do glorified jail.
We do, and it's and it's a thing because people,

(01:21:01):
you know, when you really really sit back and think
about it, because jail, anybody who's in jail really don't
even want to be in there. Nah, all of them
is doing life. Not your life, Man, I don't want
to be in here.

Speaker 3 (01:21:11):
They would trade with the person that's on the outside,
and it seemed like the person on the outside trying
to do everything they can.

Speaker 1 (01:21:15):
To get on the inside right because usually when you
see like the dudes that do long bits and come home,
they come home find the lady relaxed. They don't ever
want to go to jail again. He's twenty fifteen. But
the dudes that do like short bids five five five
two too two, they always go back to jail. I
don't know why it's like that, but really learn their.

Speaker 4 (01:21:34):
Lesson when they do that long they do that long stretch.

Speaker 1 (01:21:40):
No niggas like that. They're fifteen. They doing the right thing.
They work nonprofits, They did workout, got their lady and
just chill. They out the way.

Speaker 3 (01:21:50):
I heard Fat Joe said yesterday he felt not what
He didn't say it yesterday, but I heard it yesterday
that he felt guilty. Enjoins Gunner Music because Gunner was labeled.

Speaker 1 (01:22:00):
You know, I mean, I look at it like this,
We're gonna man, We're gonna make dope music. He's one
of the dopest to me, he's any number one now yeah,
he's like number one. Think he did like eighty thousand.
I look at it like this, right, people take please right.
It just looked funny because it was on camera. We
don't know what his lawyer told him. My lawyer done
told me to take pleased before you know what I'm saying.

(01:22:22):
So you that's just copping out, like yo, I don't
want to go to try and take this plea. Right,
So with the plea, he didn't know his lawyer. His
lawyer to say, yo, his lawyer probably came to sell you.
I'm gonna get you out today. Just take this plea. Okay,
bet you know what I'm saying. So when he took
the plea, his lawyer saying, the DA is saying, yo,
is this was a gang. They already felt in their

(01:22:43):
mind that there was a gang. He said, yeah, he
probably didn't know all that was gonna happen. He was like, yeah,
I want to get out of here. I gotta make
my money, make this. At the end of the day,
thugger took a plea too, right, it's a thug u
rat today, right. The only one that didn't take a
plea was was one of them, right right. Everybody else
took a plea. It's just that he did it before
a thugger so it'll look funny to the public. And

(01:23:05):
then if that plea wasn't on camera, niggas wouldn't be
saying that.

Speaker 4 (01:23:09):
Do you think thug ain't gonna ever reconcile. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:23:12):
It would be dope for hip hop, But right now
I think gunn is. You know, he just dropped his
last two albums, so he's out the deal and he's
doing perfectly fine by himself. It's thugger legend for Atlanta. Yes,
so it's Gunna though, right, But you know, I think
people is quick to judge, and so the only one
that could judge you is gone. So when you look
at all the shit, you know I don't with him.
I don't with him. His music is still dope. You

(01:23:34):
can't deny dope music. I don't give it. If you
feel like a told niggas this way, or a niggas
not gangster or is a nerd. If you drop dope music,
nothing defies that. Dope music's dope music. I'm not here
to judge Gunna. I'm here to listen to his music.
If he drops some dope music, i'ma listening as well
as Little Baby, as well as Future. I listen to

(01:23:56):
all them niggas. You know what I'm saying. But dope
music stoke music.

Speaker 4 (01:24:01):
If you could, if you could give some advice to
Little Dirt, what would you tell it?

Speaker 1 (01:24:08):
I was just tell him to hold his head. You know,
it's tough when you you know, facing federal charges. Hold
your head and listen to your lawyer. It's easy to
get in trouble and it's hard to get out.

Speaker 2 (01:24:17):
It is.

Speaker 1 (01:24:19):
Wise man once told me that it's easy to get
in trouble, it's hard to get out. And as rappers
we being watched, let's not act like we ain't being
You got millions of dollars, you got enough money to
do whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:24:31):
And now yeo, they're taking your They taking your lyrics
and say, okay, that's real because they tried to use
a thugger's lyrics. They tried to use guns lyrics and say,
see he tell you what he did. It's something that
maybe something they do play.

Speaker 1 (01:24:45):
They're using social media as the FEDS and everybody's using
social media as the outlet. Like a motherfucker put up
a gun and the FEDS will go get the serial
number and lock him up. That gun is stolen. They
could freeze on the serial and I'm to do it.
They're using social media and lyrics now because in their eyes,
we're making it too easy. The mother y'all just killed this.

(01:25:08):
They're gonna use that he just said he shot him
the way the murder.

Speaker 4 (01:25:12):
Was, and that and that was, and that wasn't that
wasn't publicized.

Speaker 1 (01:25:17):
Joe. He just said, he just said he shot him
this amount of times. He just put that in the song.
Of course they're gonna use that. The d A gonna
play that ship in court.

Speaker 3 (01:25:27):
When when when did it become cool to start flossing
your tube? Guys used to keep that thing took not
everybody want everybody.

Speaker 1 (01:25:38):
Wanted g and it, we did it. We used to
have him on the covers, we you know.

Speaker 3 (01:25:42):
But but I see for a photo for a photo op. Okay,
I get that. But these guys on social media waving
that thing around, like.

Speaker 1 (01:25:49):
I think the traditional suburban kid, yeah, doesn't live that
life that wakes up to lobster, you know. Like I
had some of my friends in Long Island be like
kids are arguing up a lobster, you know. I think
the entertainment for them is the side of a life
that they would they would live, you know. And I
feel the kids to the point is like I don't

(01:26:10):
give it. I got ops. This is my life. I
e An made because look him in the artists like
Bloodhound Little Jeff, you know about dope artists. He was
about to be like the next King Vone he's gone
Q fifty another artists that's with him. It just call
just got shut up in Saint Louis. Ship is real,
Saint Louis is cool, but I'm not going sight seeing

(01:26:30):
around that Martha down. Yeah, ship La is cool, but
I'm not going sight seeing around at mouth for La.
You can go to town in a way that could
be crib or Mexican gag Yo. Shannon in the head.
He got some jewelry on. Niggas got to drop on
you while you eating.

Speaker 3 (01:26:49):
Damn, because that was that was definitely a thing because
they were running during COVID. You know people you had
to be outside. People run up and taking your ap
take me your paddy, follow you, they follow your home,
lay you down, niggas.

Speaker 1 (01:27:03):
Robb what's the kid, Jack Dorty. They robbed him on
Rodale within a security These niggas don't care. That's why
I I don't.

Speaker 4 (01:27:11):
Care where this ship they get to drop.

Speaker 1 (01:27:13):
Look, it ain't safe nowhere, no yeah, you know, if
they want to get you, they gonna come. It ain't
safe no way. That's why I say the hardest thing
about being a celebrity or being you know, in some
kind of linelight it's a dangerous job. It's very dangerous
to me.

Speaker 4 (01:27:30):
Tell them about that. Kanyak firing it.

Speaker 1 (01:27:32):
Karnac is fired. Like me a bottle that I got you.
We're gonna get your address, memall that. But it's crazy, Shaye, man,
damn even you know, because you know back in the
you know Rodale, You're like, I don't get right a man.

Speaker 3 (01:27:47):
I remember the first time I went to rid Dale
and then seeing all these shops things that you I
remember the first time I ever saw RIDEO was Lifestyle
of the Rich and Famous.

Speaker 4 (01:27:55):
Robin rob and I'm so I'm seeing it.

Speaker 3 (01:28:01):
And now I'm on Redeal Drive and I'm seeing like man,
I did tipping in this and I remember the I
forget the guy's name, but he had a yellow hit
he had a yellow I think it was a rose
Ross at the time. I think it's a Bentley now.
But then beyond and it's right out front and me
and my brother we walking down. I'm like, man, I'm
on Verdale Drive and don't nobody got to carry the world.

Speaker 4 (01:28:25):
Women got their purse twirling around the head. Ain't worried
about nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:28:28):
You ain't worried about nothing. That's when Cali was fun.

Speaker 4 (01:28:32):
Now women Overdale Drive got their person like this.

Speaker 1 (01:28:36):
Even Atlanta, Atlanta. I remember us going to Lula Chris Day.
Craziest thing in the world, I said, I would love
to Lanta, I said, man, Atlanta, I wanted to move them.
I said, man, this is the pla beautiful women over where, everywhere.
The vibe was cool. Not to worry in the world.
Now you go to Atlanta, go see my man. He like, yo,

(01:28:57):
load the whole truck up, nigga stopping the gas station.

Speaker 4 (01:29:01):
No, no, no, that's the most gas station, the most
dangerous place.

Speaker 1 (01:29:07):
Atlanta. Yo, Atlanta is I've never seen the place where
you hear me say, yeah, man, the kids brought the
U haul and they rammed in the gun store. What
New York me in the gun state. They rammed in
the gun store, took all the guns. Man. Listen, it's
too crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:29:25):
It's getting crazier.

Speaker 1 (01:29:26):
It's getting crazier.

Speaker 3 (01:29:27):
This concludes the first half of my conversation. Part two
is also posted and you can access it to whichever
podcast platform you just listen to part one on. Just
simply go back to club profile and I'll see you there.

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