July 4, 2025 • 41 mins
Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to Aaron Rodgers putting Mike Tomlin on the hot seat, Shedeur Sanders falling to the 5th round in the 2025 NFL Draft, and Darius Slay’s surprising comments about Jalen Hurts. Don’t miss this QB-packed episode!
0:00 - Could Aaron Rodgers get Mike Tomlin fired?
20:41 - Shedeur Sanders falls to 5th round
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello, it's your favorite sportstunk here.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
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so please subscribe or you're gonna make Ojo crime. All right,
let's get into this NFL news guys. The Steelers have
found their starting quarterback. Aaron Rodgers put pen to paper
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on a one year deal. He signed a one year,
thirteen point six five million dollars of passing the physical
at the team facility on Saturday.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Sources told Adam Shefter.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
The deals include ten million guaranteed and with incentives, can
reach nineteen point five million. Ojo, let's go to you.
What do what do you think? What do you What
are your expectations from Aaron Rodgers? And what will he
give the Steelers?
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Hey, listen, he would He gives the Stealers. You give
the Steelers hope. He give a Stealers organization, You give
the Steelers fans. He gives him hope. You look at
the AFC North, It's dominated by Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow.
And I'm not sure what the Cleveland situation is that
it looked like, but flack o Ovis.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
He has has inside track to start.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Yeah, inside track because he's been the AFC nor before,
being in Baltimore and having success in Cleveland when he
when he came in to start for Deshaun Watson when
he got hurt. So Aaron Rodgers is better than everything
that the Stealers have outside of him at the quarterback position.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
And that's no disrespect to them.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
That's no disrespect to Mason Rudolph and whoever else they
have there they have at the helm. But Aaron Rodgers,
if he can show glimpses, just glimpses of what he
was once in the past, I think they would be okay.
They have enough pieces around him obviously, DK Metcalf.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
I'm not sure who the who the who the running
back is.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
They got Austin and they got Robert Woods.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
Oh and Robert Woods is there he has.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
He has a nice supporting cast around him, and you
need the support and cast to be on point to
make him job easier. Because Aaron Rodgers is not in
the position again to elevate those around him.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
He going to need the help from those he's surrounded by.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
What do you think, jud what'd you think about this deal?
You you like it.
Speaker 5 (02:01):
Oh well, I think uh, I think the stealers are
like they are there, they get hurt from the greatness
of Mike Tomas. Mike Tomlin always gonna have them in contention,
so they can't go and form a quarterback from the draft.
So I think this they I think this is their
best pick. Like there's nobody else out there. Uh listen,
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there's nobody else unless you want to make a trade,
but nobody really trading no good quarterback like that. And
so uh if Aaron Rodgerson come in and complete passes
and be good in the locker room and do it enough,
they gonna be in the playoffs again. Because just how
Mike Thomlins had that physical defense. Uh, They're always gonna
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have a great pass rush with with Cam and uh TJ. Like,
so it's it's gonna it's gonna be hard for them
to be bad.
Speaker 6 (02:54):
They just can't mess it up on offense.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
The team announced that Rogers will wear the number eight.
He wore the same number in New York after wearing
twelve in Green Bay. Terry Bradshaw warred number twelve, and
though it's not officially retired. The team doesn't typically give
out that number. I think Joe Green seventy five. I
think Ernie Stoutner seventy. I think though, I think it's
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like three numbers that are officially officially retired, but I
don't think they've they've given out like thirty two.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Whatever the number did.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Is another number that I don't think they've given out,
fifty eight, forty seven, like Lamb mal Blunt. But there
are certain you know, obviously from that Steel Curtain era
in which they won for Super Bowl in six years,
some of those guys have numbers and even though they're
not officially retired, No what I don't think it's worn
those numbers since. But I know I think Joe Green, yep,
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Frank o'harris okay, Ernie Stoutner de tackle his numbers retired seventy,
Joe Green seventy five, Frank o'harris thirty two. Numbers not
officially retired but not reissued, uh Terry Bradshaw's twelve, Troy
Polamalu forty three, Jack Lambert's fifty eight, Jack Ham fifty nine,
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DERMANI Dawson's sixty three and number eighty six Hines Ward.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
Well eighty six retired.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
It's not retired, but they haven't reissued it left you know.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
You know, also you know Aaron Ward eight at at
New York, but you know he was eight at CALS.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
Yeah yeah, Cal he was eight.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
So hopefully can get some of that, some of that
that that Cal Berkeley magic back in the system, right though,
the help those stealers out, because listen, if.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
That's a very tough division at the top, you got yeah,
you got the Ravens in Cincinnati.
Speaker 7 (04:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (04:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
If he doesn't play well, If he doesn't play well,
you know, players.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
Get coaches fired.
Speaker 6 (04:50):
Man.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Yeah, and Momin could be on the hot seat for
making obviously he had him wait, he had the whole
organization waiting he's coming. And obviously he signed because they
got mini camp coming up very soon, mandatory mini camp,
and he wants to.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
Be a part of that, which is also a good thing.
That's a good sign.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
That lets that lets me know that he's buying it
as opposed to what he did last season out there
in New York. So that's a good thing. But I
think that they have a bad season.
Speaker 6 (05:15):
You think you think Mike Tomlin on hot seat him.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Excuse me, no, he just signed. He just signed an extension.
Speaker 6 (05:22):
That don't matter what that means. They pay that all
every year.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
Listen, they they was already talking about it last year,
bro about.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
They didn't have the Steelers haven't fired the coach in
sixty nine.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
I was born in sixteen.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
I'm about to be fifty seven, So they haven't fired
the coach in fifty six years.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
And you just said jud And the man hadn't had
a losing season.
Speaker 6 (05:44):
He never gonna have a losing season. He trained him
so well, they played so hard for Mike Tomas. He's
never gonna have a losing season.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
That's enough.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
That's enough.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Just having just havn't just you know, I don't think
it's enough because he the one that said the standard
is the standard. Well, if the standard is getting to
and competing for Super Bowl, they hadn't competed for a
sup Bowl a long time.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
They had.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Nobody thought even though they make the playoffs, Oh this man,
the Steelers aren't threat. When was the last time that
someone thought that Steelers would be a threat in the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
When they had Paula Malu, when they had Ike Taylor.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Man Paula Malu retired, he in the Hall of Fame,
So he had to wait at least five years to
get into the hall. So we talked about at least
at the bare minimum.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
Five were you you asked, when that's that's ass win?
Speaker 3 (06:27):
When they had the way, when their identity was their defense, they.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Hadn't been a serious threat since then.
Speaker 6 (06:33):
But do you mean that that mean change? Did that
mean change?
Speaker 5 (06:38):
We we ain't been a serious dead or or we
have been so consistent that we just haven't got the
right person. They haven't They haven't had a quarterback that's
theirs since.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Being in Whose fault is that there's consistence? They had an.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Opportunity they could have true and they had been Roethlisberger,
and they thought Bread was gonna pay play like Tom Brady.
You know he wasn't because he's been involved in too
many crashes. He's taking too much punishment. So what you
do is that what good teams do? What did Kansas
City do draft the quarterback and they still had one
on the roster. What did Baltimore do when they had
Joe Flacco? You were there, they drafted a quarterback? You
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see what good team? What the Green may do draft
the quarterback? What the Green may do with Aaron Rodgers?
Draft the quarterback. You see what everybody does. You don't wait.
If you wait till your car break down side the road,
it's too late, you're already stranded.
Speaker 6 (07:30):
Okay, all right, but is that my fault? Yeah?
Speaker 8 (07:35):
Yeah, you don't think Might got no say if he
say get us a quarterback, get us a quarterback, Please
get us a quarterback, and they don't get us a quarterback.
Speaker 6 (07:47):
How y'all gonna get mad at me?
Speaker 2 (07:49):
You give Mike all that, you give all that My
credits say, he never gonna have he never gonna have
him in a losing situation.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
So who drafting those players? The dream of of Mike Tomlin? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (07:57):
Well, I mean, I mean, we don't know will go
on in a war room. But you can't you can't
just say, well that's Mike Tomlin. Mike Tomlin will won
a quarterback.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Matt holdo o jo, Matthew, You mean to tell me
a man that's been there damn near twenty years?
Speaker 1 (08:11):
He ain't got no saint.
Speaker 6 (08:14):
How long has Jim been there?
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Not bed not as long as Mike Tomlin.
Speaker 5 (08:19):
I ain't never heard of still as fine, no gym
or getting a new gym.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
Iver heard of him.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
I tell you what you ever heard of him firing
a coach? No, exactly.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
So my thing is, when you're there that long, you
have some safe you have some sale free the fifty three,
you have some say in free agency, and you that
at how long Mike Tomlin been there? My coach, Kyle
retired in two thousand. They won the Super Bowl in five.
He came back in six, So he retired in seven.
He's been there nineteen years.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
You not.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
There's no coach that's been anywhere for nineteen years that
does not have safe I refuse to believe that.
Speaker 6 (08:58):
I don't know who that is.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
Hold on, dude, I don't.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
I don't even think it's about saying I'm thinking about
the relationship that Ben Roethlisberger might have had with upper
management with those.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Yeah, a great relationship with Mike Tomlin too.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
No no, no, no, no, no no no, no, no, no no.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
Because if Mike Tomlin, Mike Tomlin is a head coach,
he's been in the NFL a very long time.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Yeah, someone knows.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
At some point, I'm going to have to find your successor.
At some point, you look at you, you look at
the landscape of the league. Those that didn't do it.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
Look what's happening now do.
Speaker 6 (09:33):
It?
Speaker 3 (09:33):
That's why, that's why I think that the calling was
above Mike Tomlin's pay grade.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
I disagree.
Speaker 5 (09:41):
I mean, yo, your starring quarterback, your franchise quarterback, is
getting paid more than the coach. Yes, I guarante, dumb,
dumb relationships might be a little stronger than the even
though the coach been there longer, he more teamed. I think, well,
I mean, we're paying this due only seventeen million year.
Speaker 6 (10:00):
We're paying this dude fifty.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
We understand that Mike Tomlin had a very strong relationship
he He's always had a very strong relationship with his
star players. We know that based on the history. We
know that being and when Ab was there and a
lot of these other guys. We know how he feels
about these great players. But in order to keep this
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from happening to you, if you do not get a bridge,
if you wait till somebody burn your bridge down, how
the hell do you get to the other side. I
gave you examples. Kansas City, Alex Smith was a Pro
Bowl quarterback.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
What did they do? Matt the Super Bowl?
Speaker 5 (10:41):
But when you but when you see that, when you
see that Hm. They went and got uh, what's buddy?
Speaker 1 (10:48):
From Pitt?
Speaker 5 (10:49):
They went and got can.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Man stop playing mans picketing out front? Don't know, we
won't go.
Speaker 5 (11:02):
But we gotta we gotta put that on somebody. We
gotta we gotta put that on somebody. When when somebody
don't turn out in the draft? How you think they
are not saying he's a bad player. They didn't like
him for the system and they didn't like what he
was doing, so they had to move on. Do you
put that on the coach or do you put that
on a person that selects and pays the players.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
I think the thing is is that I believe there
there are drafts that they had better quarterback options.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
And that's the thing.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
You could sit back and say, you know what, next year,
this quarterback is good, but you have to move What
did the Green Bay do with Jordan What did they
do with Jordan Love? How much was they paying Aaron Rodgers?
And they and after they signed him, they gave him
a big deal. He was picked off absolutely and just
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like Brett Farr was pissed off when they did what
drafted Aaron Rodgers?
Speaker 5 (11:55):
I mean, yeah, Aaron Rodgers seen a situation play off.
He said he already he already knew what was in
the cards. So he said, all right, y'all not gonna
blame me how y'all played Brett, and just move on.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
I can't worry about one year. I got to worry
about the next ten fifteen years. So if you just
worry about one year and one guy's feelings, you'll be stuck.
Speaker 9 (12:15):
All right, those in those nineteen years, In those nineteen years,
I mean what, I think the only the only player
that would have failed that far to them, which is
a bad pick, was Lamar.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
No, it's not that you fought. You move up Patrick Mahomes.
They moved up to get Patrick Mahomes. They moved they
moved up to get Jordan Love. You don't have to
stay on see you looking at the philosopher. Let somebody
fall into my lap. No, if there's somebody, you move
up to go get them.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
And that's where what I said comes into play. Unkle,
not pissing off your franchise quarterback. I think the relationship
with Ben Roethlisberger and management in GM and president was
much stronger than that of whatever Mike might have wanted.
You think Tonan didn't want a quarterback when he realized Ben, okay,
you're not moving the same, or Ben, you can't throw
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the same, or the velocity on the ball is not
the same.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Mike Toman can see that stuff.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
Yeah, it didn't have to say so, regardless of being
the coach for nineteen years to go and get who
we wanted.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
But here's the thing you still got. You maintained that
great relationship. Now, how you looking as fart? Because the Steelers,
what's the standard for the Steelers? When we think of Steelers,
we think of what o jo championship, championship.
Speaker 5 (13:30):
No ce no, you think of defense? SA you think
you think of Stell Mike townand that's his defense. They
abandoned that.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
They abandoned that when they got when they got Ben
Roethlisberger and they had Antonio Brown and they had Leveyyon Bell.
They've been abandoned the defense when they had the triple bs,
they were throwing the ball.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Ben Roethlisberger's got two five thousand yard seevers, he's got
four or five hundred yard games.
Speaker 5 (13:56):
They've been abandoned that they just had that he had.
They had an exposive offense for five six years. They
had like they had exposive offense. They always had a
good wide receiver. They always had a good wide receiver.
Somebody go get the ball, take the top off. They're
always gonna have that defense. When you think Steelers, you
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think hard hitting defense.
Speaker 6 (14:19):
You know, you know.
Speaker 9 (14:20):
When you hear that, hey mama around.
Speaker 5 (14:23):
You hear that, don't don't you know that defense about
to do something? You know that, you know that defense. Now,
you know it's gonna be cold, rainy, wet when you
go in there. The grass, grass ain't worth nothing, but
jay defense gonna have to come to play. And so
if you're gonna beat the Steelers, you have to keep
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the ball. You have to know how to run the ball,
and you have to limit exposive plays from their offense.
Speaker 6 (14:51):
That's all you gotta. That's how you beat Distiller.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
But when the last time they've had explosive plays from
the offense, Ben Roethlisberger's been gone, ay Be's been gone,
leve Yon Baill been gonna So when if you know
the Steelers to have explosive.
Speaker 5 (15:02):
And that's why that's why George Pickins left the building. George,
George Pickins want to be he wanna he wanna dance.
He wanna. He want to be in the end zone.
He wanna he want to do that. That's why George
Pickens left the building. He said, I have I need,
I need to the line like I want. I want
to see. I want to see how that feels. He
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want to be Jamar Chase. He wanted he seen He's
seen what that looked like in the division. He said,
I can't get that here.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Right, Matthew, thanks for joining us tonight, man, best de
luck in free agency. Come back when you when you
get something penciled in, come back and jordaans and let
us know where you're going.
Speaker 6 (15:42):
All right, I got y'all appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Appreciate it, bro all right, my boy, god, oh Joe, Hey, hey, y'all.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
Hey, before you start like like real quick, real quick,
I just I just want to say something to you.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
I'm gonna see it in cold a little bit. You
understand what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
Even even though Mike, even though it's Mike, I don't
think he has the pool, even though he's the head
coach to override pissing off the franchise quarterback, stay with me.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
He got, I get you what you're saying, but he
got more poo do you think?
Speaker 3 (16:14):
Yeah, absolutely, because he's been there so long. But with that,
with that centerpiece that been there that long.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
I'm not saying. I'm not saying.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
I'm not saying he's got had Bill Belichick Pool. Now,
I'm not saying he got Andy Reid type Pool.
Speaker 6 (16:27):
Bill.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
He might have. He might be next in line with
when it come to Pool.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
Right right, right right, I got you, I got you.
We're on the same coach.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Can think about it.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
They went out, they got Joe Flacco, who led them
to a Super Bowl. What they gonna do They trade
back into the first round, give up next year's first
round pick to get Lamar.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
Hey, you know you can see it, right, you know
when your player is declining. Yeah, things are the same,
especially at the quarterback position.
Speaker 6 (16:53):
You can see it.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
The funny thing about it is.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
How much do players or how much are they self
aware that they're declining better it starts slipping.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
It's hard because, O Joe, you don't want to believe it,
because you've been great for so long. You don't want
to believe it, and so you turn you light it,
O Joe to yourself, You lie to yourself you lie
to yourself.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
Hey boy, you turn that film on and be like,
is that what it?
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Damn? He moving slow? I'm like, oh that's me.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Man who running like they got on tims who run
it like they got Tim's on on the field for.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
That camera, with that camera, that eye in the sky
would embarrass.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Yes, yes, yes, uh oh Joe Adam Sandler to cast Deck.
We we ain't got I mean, we ain't got what
you call him?
Speaker 6 (17:56):
No?
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Oh you just wrote that in there. That what you
just wrote this this tweeted there we have Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Jordan Tuck, Yeah, Jordan Tuck made a good point on Twitter.
Imagine moving on from George Pickings thinking the locker room
distraction only to end up with Aaron Rodgers at your quarterback.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
Well, I mean Aaron Rodgers is a different type of distraction,
a different type of distraction.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
Obviously. I think he's not going to cause any problem
because his lease is short. Because if you.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Missed it, you see his backup sorry his LEAs loan old.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
Listen, you mess things up in Pittsburgh. Where's your next destination?
Where's your don't get home? Oh I meant that, That's
what I meant.
Speaker 4 (18:47):
You don't you you, you have the leverage.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
You don't have the leverage you once had, where you
were sought after, where you wanted the.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
Best in the league.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
You're still living off that past resume, which is why
I wanted and waited for you to sign this late
before mandatory mini camp, because they don't have any other options.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Right.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
So, and a at year twenty one, I mean, this
is gonna be his twenty first season. How many more
seasons do you think he really want to play? He
want to subject himself getting up studying film, studying film
all day, money, studying film all day Tuesday, watching film
after practice on Wednesday Thursday.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
And you know how long you think Aaron Rodgers wants
to do that?
Speaker 3 (19:26):
Listen, hey, when you see what the AFC North like,
ain't no telling might be where he might be one
and done after this season.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
That's my point.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
I mean, at twenty, I mean you take it first
of all, once you get to a certain number of years,
you take it eight.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
I probably a quarterback. Other positions probably take it year teen.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Quarterbacks probably take it at year fifteen, especially the way
they protect him now. So he's gotten six years past
year fifteen. Yeah, Like, I don't think he's tried to
eclipse Tom. He try to play twenty four You think
you try to play twenty four seeds.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Ain't no telling, Ain't no telling, because I obviously they
will continue to sign him the one year deals if
things go well.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
I listen. I mean it's a very teen friendly contract.
I mean thirteen nothing nothing, that's nothing.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
I'm listen.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
I love the Steelers. I don't want them to do well.
I want them to do well except when they play
the Bengals. Want I want dk Metcalf, I want Calvin
Olson the third, and I want Robert Moore.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
They have Robert Woods, Robert Wood, I'm sorry, Robert Woods.
They have phenomenal seasons like they can.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
I just want to see him do well for Mike
thomas sake, I steal a fans that has always been
good to me.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
I fucking love all of them. But when you play
the Bengals, y'all get y'all.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Ass the moment we've all waited for. Shudor Sanders is
drafted in the fifth round. The Browns traded up to
select him. All these anonymous reports are coming out about
your door having bad interviews, especially with the Giants. According
to Todd, mcshae Shuduor completely bombed his interview with the Giants.
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He didn't have a great interview with head coach Brian Dayball.
The preparation wasn't there for an install package. Day Ball
called him out and Sanders didn't like it. Day Ball
has gone eight and twenty six over the past two seasons,
so he probably knows a thing or two about being unprepared.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
To be honest with you, I mean, you go eight
and twenty.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Six, you go eight and twenty six being unprepared, you
and known unprepared person when you see one, considering over
the last two years, that's kind of exactly what you've been.
And then there's been reports of him having a big
entourage because his brother shoots videos of him being in
the family. He's with his brother and his family, no drinking,
no drugs, no controversy.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Just living his life. Oh, Churel, this is I'm gonna
start with you first.
Speaker 6 (21:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Here that he didn't do well in the interview, He
didn't hit it off with coach day Ball and seemed
like he was unprepared, been like the entourage.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
Okay, go ahead, right, I don't believe it, huh, I
don't believe it because every single NFL player, every single
When I say every single, I mean every single has
an entourage. Most of the entourage is is family in France.
If it's not family in France, it's friends that you
grew up with, right, everybody has that. So I'm not
sure why I even came into play and we talked
about everybody regardless of race, regardless of the ethnicity, it
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doesn't matter. So that's one thing interview interview goes bad.
Speaker 4 (22:29):
I'm prepared now.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
I think I'm thinking about a son of one of
the greatest players of all time, who's always been prepared
and coached and having tutelage from one of the best
of all time, and for some reason, all of a sudden,
you weren't prepared for interview when it comes to the
game of football in which he's a quarterback.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
Again, that's something else that's not believable.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
Now, you know, media, media can can can can screw
things and report things that obviously aren't true.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
Bingo, forget that. So he drops to the Cleveland Browns
round five. What picked one. I'm not even tripping at
this point. I'm not even tripping at.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
This point because Prime obviously is prepared should do it
for any and everything, dealing with media, dealing with with
those that doubt you. So I'm just happy he has
this opportunity because what's happening in this scenario, in this
situation in which I still believe, is collusion.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
I'm not talking about race. I'm not talking about race
at all. I'm just speed.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
I'm just saying a collective collusion against brother Sanders and
all the things and just the hype and listen to
the machine again.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
I said it last night. I said it last night.
We have choices. People choose what they want to see.
I said it yesterday. I'm not talking about race at all.
One thing for sure. The Machine is undefeated and will
always remain undefeated. Anytime it feels not really threatened. But
there's another name or family that thinks they can come
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in and do things their way. They'll humble you.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
And this was this was an example of it, an
example of it that we've never ever ever seen before
to this magnitude, We've never seen anything like this.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
I'm happy for Shador.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
I'm happy for Shiloh and for Shador standers getting the
opportunity to play for the Cleveland Browns His situation is
simple as put. It's delayed, but it's not denied. It's
not about where you go, it's what you do once
you get there.
Speaker 4 (24:30):
So now you know what you need to do. The
Browns haven't had a quarterback.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
They haven't had a quarterback, a sufficient quarterback and consistent quarterback.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
Have since Bernie for a very long time.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
This might be their calling, This might be their blessing.
This might be his blessing even going there. So I'm
happy for him. He's gonna do us necessary. I'm sure
he had the chip on the shoulder, and I'm excited
because that in that AFC North, you know it run
through Cincinnati, and.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
The only way you're gonna get it done is you
you got a quarterback. I just had that.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
I saw that.
Speaker 6 (25:05):
I saw you throw that in there.
Speaker 7 (25:10):
Honestly, man, guys, to be honest with you, I mean,
I feel for him, obviously. You know you work so
hard and it's tough for you projected to go first round.
I had a situation once. It's not obviously not the
same because basketball is totally different as far as where
the number of people that get picked. But I was
with my best friend Nazi Muhammad was supposed to be
picked lottery when he came out and NA slid to
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twenty nine and just sitting there and that obviously it
was nothing like where you have to actually wait a
whole nother day to get drafted, but just to see
him slide, huh.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
You ain't two days. He got drafted today.
Speaker 7 (25:44):
Tell you to wait two days. So it's different. But
I think like this, to be honest with you, I
say that I think you have to play the game, Shan,
And to be honest with you, I think if he
were to I'll played. I'm just gonna play the game.
So I get drafted whatever that would have been. Whatever,
And I think sometimes that's whatnot. And I'm not sure this,
and you guys get correct me if I'm wrong, because
it seems like I've never seen an agent, and obviously
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i'm watching from Afar. I'm watching off TV on social media.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
He do he have an agent? I don't know.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
I bet y'allo made a joke too about our dad
with our agent, and we might need to hire a
new agent.
Speaker 7 (26:17):
Okay, I'm right, I don't know, because I think you
know how to say is sometimes you have an agent.
He can tell you the truth behind closed doors of
what they're actually saying and what you need to work on.
So by Diane being to Dad, he probably not really
hearing everything. They probably can't tell him, so he's not
hearing everything that they're saying. So I think that was
probably one mistake. And I don't know if he had
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an agent or no, So if the agent to kind
of buffer that, to talk to him and kind of
figure it out. But you got to figure this thing out, man.
I think what thing about it it was about interview
I don't think a skill set. I mean he put
the numbers up. The numbers speak for theyselves. He had
the numbers, so we got to look at some of
the other stuff. I mean, I worked out for nine teens.
When I came out, I interviewed with nineteens, So you
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gotta go through that process. I'm not sure how he interviewed.
Maybe that was a little sketchy. That can rub some
gms and it's that's the wrong way, you know, sometimes
if you don't interview well, maybe the swagger what he's
coming with great family, family dynamics. His family is going
to support him. Obviously, he has a certain swag, a
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certain order. He carries with him, which we all love,
and we all we just talked about that. We liked that,
we talked, we all, all three of us talked trash,
we all celebrated, we all had fun, so we know that.
So that's not the problem. We brought our own style,
so that wasn't a problem with him. I just felt
like they didn't play the game that everybody else played,
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and they wanted to show them that, Look, it's still
the NFL. We still run this. You still got to
go through this proper pecking order. And I think that's
what it was. That's what it looks like. You can't
look at his If you look at his numbers and
skilled of them, the guys that got picked erform all
this stuff, it doesn't make sense, right. So it's got
to be something behind the scenes. It can't be football ability.
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It has to be something behind the scenes. That's why
I said, if he had an agent, maybe somebody that
could hear the noise, because he probably didn't hear the
real noise.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Correct, you know what I mean.
Speaker 7 (28:15):
We were on TV watching all the analysts and everybody,
but you know, y'all prove you so much information. Y'alln't
priview you so much. We're not hearing that real noise,
you know what I mean. So that's what And sometimes
your agent gets that for you to kind of help
you out and maybe help you get your act together.
That's why I really wanted to know if he had
an agent.
Speaker 4 (28:31):
But then, you know, the funny thing about the town,
even at that point, you are who you are. Shador
is who he is. The Sandors family, they are who
they are. That that's it.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
And they've always been unapologetically themselves and that rubs a
lot of people wrong. A lot of people don't like that,
including some of those in the NFL. Some of the
things that Deanna said in.
Speaker 4 (28:51):
The past they probably didn't like. They probably didn't like it.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
You know he wanted to pull and or uh, you
want to pull you know with Eli that probably they
probably didn't like it. They quote tweets that he said
a long time ago. And I know, let me tell
you why.
Speaker 4 (29:07):
I know this is all collusion. You know, I think
about some like like going, you know what, I'm not
even gonna bring it up. I'm not gonna bring it up.
I'm happy he got where he needed to go.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
This is exactly where we're supposed to land because I
guarantee you watch it be a blessing in disguise in
them never having a quarterback and all of a sudden,
for some reason, you do or be in the answer
for the next decade.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
I hope you're right.
Speaker 7 (29:32):
Whould I ask you guys something as a as a
I'm a basketball guy, I'm gonna ask you some chat
you can you can ask this because you're talking right now.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Can you answer?
Speaker 7 (29:40):
This is to Cleveland the right fit for him? Because
sometimes let's let's disregard what number he went. Did he
go to a good situation where he can actually be
able to showcase hisself and have a real opportunity to
be a starting quarterback in the NFL?
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Do you guys like that situation?
Speaker 3 (29:59):
If the GM and the owners are combatant when his
time comes to be able to compete for a starting job,
if they continue to build around him, yes, it's the
right place. If they continue to do right by the
quarterback position like other teams are doing, like they do
for the Mahomes, and they do for the Jalen Hurts,
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and they do for you know, the other quarterbacks, the
Jayden Daniels. As you continue to put the pieces to
the postal around him, while you have a quarterback on
a very very cheap I hate using that word cheap,
but you know, a very affordable contract around him.
Speaker 6 (30:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
I think he's in the right place.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
But if they do what they've always done for a
very long time, where they've been through two hundred and
seventy six thousand quarterbacks, then it would be the same,
the same process we repeat itself. They had Baker Mayfield,
you had the number one pick. There was nothing wrong
with Baker Mayfield because look what he's doing in Tampa Bay.
So that tells you where the problem lies. That the
problem lies with Cleveland internally. Now you've got an opportunity again,
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let's not f it up.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Yeah, I do.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
I love when the quarterbacks, young quarterbacks come in and
have an unbelievable support system. Hopefully you have somebody that
can that's really smart schematically knows how to diagram plays.
Oh Joe, knows how to put quarterbacks in the right situation.
You have a decent running back. I'm not saying you
need I mean, although that would be nice to have
a Saquon Barkley and the Derrick Henry On a rookie quarterback,
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But you need quality receivers. You see CJ. Stroud where
he went and had success. Look at the receiving court
that he had. You look at Jade and Daniels, look
at the receiving court that he had. The question is
are there enough pieces around any quarterback for regardless if
it's a rookie or not, is there are enough pieces
around him so he can adequately do what he needs
to get done. I think Stefanowski is as an unbelievable coach.
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He's the coach of the year. He knows how to
call plays, he knows how the scheme plays, and so
now it just comes down to, Okay, when you get
your opportunity, you gotta shine. You got to prepare like
there's no tomorrow, because that's already out there.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
O Joe.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
You see what they said he was unprepared. You see
what they did on Joe. See we already put that
out there on you.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
Now, hey, that's the game. They're gonna play the game.
They're going to play the game. There's only one way
you could beat the game. That's in between the lines. Yeah,
no matter what to say, it blocks out all the noise.
You can only beat the game in between the lines.
That's it, no matter what they say.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
But but I will say this on Joe, I don't
know if they're gonna allow Bluckie to go in and
film everything that that your do is doing.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
That's over. That's over now.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
When you when you're at Colorado and your dad's the
head coach, they're gonna allow that.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
That's over with now.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
Yeah, I mean they understand that.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
But I thought he was thought I thought he was
the video guy. I thought he's the video No, UK,
you ain't gonna have no no personal video guy. Well
yeah you can.
Speaker 4 (32:45):
Yeah, you can't do that now.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
Once you once you entered that building, once you on
grounds in that facility, all that all that's done.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
Yeah and so yeah, and so that's that's having it
onto rock.
Speaker 6 (32:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
I don't like I said, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
I don't know if he went to the building and
they tried to go in the meeting rooms and Bucket
was trying to capture content. He doesn't have an agent
because Time agent was Eugenie Parker rested Sould. Eugene passed
away several years ago, and so I'm sure Time will
probably interview somebody now. And I agree with you, twine probably.
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And that's the thing, because you have an agent and
they hear things that they can tell you things. Now
they're gonna all the really really bad stuff. They ain't
gonna share that with you because they don't want to
mess with your mentally, but they'll share enough of stuff
with you so you get the picture and get a
great understanding of what's actually going on.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
So hey, if I'm not mistaken, I so you know,
obviously my agent was obviously when I first got a
league in Jerome Stanley, phenomenal dude that did really well
for me on the back end of my career from
the middle on the back end, it was Drew Rosenhause.
And if I'm not mistaken, I saw Jus rosenhouse post
for Shiloh saying is once he got drafted. So I'm
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assuming Jerro's housepus to be represented representing Shiloh.
Speaker 4 (34:04):
I'm not sure represents your door though, right, I get.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
It, because Okay, the Brian's Court, the current quarterback room,
Deshaun Watson, Joe Flacco, Kenny Pickett, Dylan Gabriel, Shadoor Sanders,
Deshaun Watson, Starter Flako is a vet if Deshon can't go.
You got Kenny Pickett, the backup, Dylan Gabriel, rookie Sha Dore,
rookie Phil.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
What's going on? I mean, damn, what's really going on?
What's really going on on? Joe Hey.
Speaker 4 (34:31):
I like to compete. I ain't got no problem with it.
I like to compete. Who I need to beat out?
I love Kenny Pickett.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
I don't know how you beat Desjon now when he
got another forty eight got thirty eight million dollars this
year and another forty million next year.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
How you beat him out? Sean?
Speaker 4 (34:46):
He not shun, not playing the shit.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
Okay, he's not gonna play this year. Okay, So now
you got yeah, yeah, Achilles.
Speaker 4 (34:53):
Achilles, Achilles. Yeah. So listen, keys, I'm gonna take your
how it's gonna play out. I love Kenny Picott.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
I love Kenny Pickett.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
I love that that No brother Gabriel, but Shador if
he does what he's supposed to do. You know, we've
seen Kenny Pickett already. We haven't seen Dylan Gabriel yet.
But I'm just saying, I know, probably like I'm gonna start,
He's gonna start at some point.
Speaker 4 (35:20):
She just gonna get a shot. At some point, he's
gonna get that shot. And when the door opened.
Speaker 6 (35:27):
Let me let me ask both of you guys.
Speaker 7 (35:28):
Let me ask both of you, whyleud Cleveland do that?
Whileould Cleveland want a quarterback room with five guys that
that break up is?
Speaker 9 (35:36):
That?
Speaker 6 (35:36):
Does that mean anything? Taking him free?
Speaker 1 (35:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (35:41):
Three?
Speaker 7 (35:42):
Okay, but the sewn Sean DeShawn is not playing playing,
he's not playing like January or February something like that.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
You're right, I forgot you might just go ahead and
you know, put him on our R and go ahead,
let that go. Uh what I don't get Cleveland. At
some point in time, y'all gotta stop trade back. Y'all
could have had Julio Jones. You traded back. You could
have had you could have had Travis Hunter, and you're
dor and you traded back at some point in time
when guys are sitting there waiting for you to take them,
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tank them right, thank them.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
It's okay.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
But I guess they're looking at it like we're more
than one player away. But sometimes that player can help
change things around. I don't I don't get it. I
don't get what they're doing with this situation. Uh, like
you said, Twine, he had an unbelievable college career. He
played well at Jackson State, and then they said, well, yes,
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Jackson State, that's why you're doing that. He goes to Colorado,
he puts up succeptional numbers, uh, you know, great completion percentage.
He throws guys open. No, he's not the most athletic guy,
but he's not a decatholic. He don't need to high jump,
long jump, pole vault, shot put, hurdle one hundred, all
hundred fifty. He'll do all that all he needed to do.
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Can he take three? Can he drop back five? Can
his own read?
Speaker 6 (37:02):
Can?
Speaker 2 (37:03):
Can he do the stuff? Can he process information in
a hurry? Yeah, that's what the quarterback needs. He needs
to be confident. He needs to be able to process
information in the hurry, and he needs to be able
to retain information. I mean he he's shown you he
could do that ever since he I mean from from
middle school to high school to college. So let's see
if that is that's transferable. I like to think I
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don't like to think that it is. But you don't know, Tye.
You know this same thing with all sports. You don't
know what you have in a guy until you get
him in your building and put him in your uniborn.
That's when you're one know for certain what the hell
I got? Yeah, because all this other stuff. Boy, he
won this award and he did all this, and he
did all of that. And I've seen it having played
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in the NFL. Guys come in and have all these
credentials and I don't know how they Hey, somebody gave
you a fake passport, cause I don't know how you
get all I don't know how you get all that.
Speaker 7 (37:56):
Let me ask you, guys, in football, is it about
the number or is it more about the fit?
Speaker 1 (38:01):
Fit?
Speaker 7 (38:01):
It's always gonna be fit. It's always gonna be fit,
so always do you guys think? So if you had
to grade this fit, where would you guys go?
Speaker 4 (38:12):
Right now?
Speaker 1 (38:13):
I know you gotta go compete. I like New Orleans fit.
I would have liked New Orleans a little better.
Speaker 4 (38:20):
I would like New Orleans better too.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
But the thing is now, because I was telling not
what your last night is that I went to a
team I was a big wide receiver. I went to
one of the three teams that had the he back position.
Washington had the age back position. The Broncos had the
h back position, and uh uh the Chargers, uh San
Diego there in San Diego then had the age back position.
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Every tight end on the roster got hurt. I'm the
biggest receiver. Coach Reese, come a, would you be willing
to move to age back? I'm gonna catch the ball? Yeah,
if you threw me, if you you learned to plays Okay,
So now here I am a big wide receiver. Imagine
I don't go to a team that has age back position.
So I switched midway through like a third of the
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way I have like probably like week eight, Week nine,
Week ten, they moved me to like tight end ta
and the rest of that they say history. So it's
absolutely where you go. Not I get it because a
lot of times twin you know this first four or
five picks, they get a boatload of money. Now you
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want to make a boatload of money for a short
period of time, for an extended period of time. Because
I had a fourteen year career. There are a lot
of guys that went in the first round on show.
They made money for a three four year period. I
made money for a fourteen year period. It's not how
much money you make, it's how long you make money
and then what are you going to do. It's not
how much money you make, it's how much you keep.
So it's absolutely twe.
Speaker 4 (39:45):
Fit, where you go that fit, and what they do
for you while you're there.
Speaker 7 (39:51):
For him too, though, he got he's made a little
money in the anil space too.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
So yeah, okay.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
Had he known what he known, he stayed in college
and made some more nil money. He like, hell, if
y'all go take me to field ground. He made more
thing and I'm ailing, what is rook your contract?
Speaker 1 (40:05):
Go to your joke? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (40:07):
Yeah, oh wow, that is right.
Speaker 4 (40:10):
Wow, listen, I think I think the situation in general
is good for him.
Speaker 3 (40:16):
It puts a chip on the shoulder. Oh this is
this is how you feel about me? Okay, bet hold
my beer, I got this. Watch me listen. I faced
adversity before. I've had the hurdle obstacles before. This is
just another one that's in the way.
Speaker 4 (40:31):
I'm going to show you.
Speaker 3 (40:32):
I'm going to prove to you that I'm worthy of
doing all the things you said I can't.
Speaker 4 (40:37):
Oh you feel I'm a fifth round pick. I mean
I'm I'm a fifth rounder. Okay, bet I'm not. I'm
not tripping. I'm not. I'm not tripping on again. Chadors
a chat. I know y'all can hear me. Chador's situation
as simple as this. It was delayed. It wasn't he
one denied, that's all.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
Now when you get there, hey, do what you're supposed
to do and everything else to take care of himself.
Will nobody care where you got drafted at?
Speaker 1 (41:04):
And he had to wait.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
That was so disappointed, and they prank calling him and
doing all this other stuff.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
When you go do what you need to do, everything
is fine. Everything
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Speaker 2 (00:01):
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let's get into this NFL news guys. The Steelers have
found their starting quarterback. Aaron Rodgers put pen to paper
(00:22):
on a one year deal. He signed a one year,
thirteen point six five million dollars of passing the physical
at the team facility on Saturday.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Sources told Adam Shefter.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
The deals include ten million guaranteed and with incentives, can
reach nineteen point five million. Ojo, let's go to you.
What do what do you think? What do you What
are your expectations from Aaron Rodgers? And what will he
give the Steelers?
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Hey, listen, he would He gives the Stealers. You give
the Steelers hope. He give a Stealers organization, You give
the Steelers fans. He gives him hope. You look at
the AFC North, It's dominated by Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow.
And I'm not sure what the Cleveland situation is that
it looked like, but flack o Ovis.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
He has has inside track to start.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Yeah, inside track because he's been the AFC nor before,
being in Baltimore and having success in Cleveland when he
when he came in to start for Deshaun Watson when
he got hurt. So Aaron Rodgers is better than everything
that the Stealers have outside of him at the quarterback position.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
And that's no disrespect to them.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
That's no disrespect to Mason Rudolph and whoever else they
have there they have at the helm. But Aaron Rodgers,
if he can show glimpses, just glimpses of what he
was once in the past, I think they would be okay.
They have enough pieces around him obviously, DK Metcalf.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
I'm not sure who the who the who the running
back is.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
They got Austin and they got Robert Woods.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
Oh and Robert Woods is there he has.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
He has a nice supporting cast around him, and you
need the support and cast to be on point to
make him job easier. Because Aaron Rodgers is not in
the position again to elevate those around him.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
He going to need the help from those he's surrounded by.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
What do you think, jud what'd you think about this deal?
You you like it.
Speaker 5 (02:01):
Oh well, I think uh, I think the stealers are
like they are there, they get hurt from the greatness
of Mike Tomas. Mike Tomlin always gonna have them in contention,
so they can't go and form a quarterback from the draft.
So I think this they I think this is their
best pick. Like there's nobody else out there. Uh listen,
(02:23):
there's nobody else unless you want to make a trade,
but nobody really trading no good quarterback like that. And
so uh if Aaron Rodgerson come in and complete passes
and be good in the locker room and do it enough,
they gonna be in the playoffs again. Because just how
Mike Thomlins had that physical defense. Uh, They're always gonna
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have a great pass rush with with Cam and uh TJ. Like,
so it's it's gonna it's gonna be hard for them
to be bad.
Speaker 6 (02:54):
They just can't mess it up on offense.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
The team announced that Rogers will wear the number eight.
He wore the same number in New York after wearing
twelve in Green Bay. Terry Bradshaw warred number twelve, and
though it's not officially retired. The team doesn't typically give
out that number. I think Joe Green seventy five. I
think Ernie Stoutner seventy. I think though, I think it's
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like three numbers that are officially officially retired, but I
don't think they've they've given out like thirty two.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Whatever the number did.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Is another number that I don't think they've given out,
fifty eight, forty seven, like Lamb mal Blunt. But there
are certain you know, obviously from that Steel Curtain era
in which they won for Super Bowl in six years,
some of those guys have numbers and even though they're
not officially retired, No what I don't think it's worn
those numbers since. But I know I think Joe Green, yep,
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Frank o'harris okay, Ernie Stoutner de tackle his numbers retired seventy,
Joe Green seventy five, Frank o'harris thirty two. Numbers not
officially retired but not reissued, uh Terry Bradshaw's twelve, Troy
Polamalu forty three, Jack Lambert's fifty eight, Jack Ham fifty nine,
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DERMANI Dawson's sixty three and number eighty six Hines Ward.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
Well eighty six retired.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
It's not retired, but they haven't reissued it left you know.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
You know, also you know Aaron Ward eight at at
New York, but you know he was eight at CALS.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
Yeah yeah, Cal he was eight.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
So hopefully can get some of that, some of that
that that Cal Berkeley magic back in the system, right though,
the help those stealers out, because listen, if.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
That's a very tough division at the top, you got yeah,
you got the Ravens in Cincinnati.
Speaker 7 (04:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (04:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
If he doesn't play well, If he doesn't play well,
you know, players.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
Get coaches fired.
Speaker 6 (04:50):
Man.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Yeah, and Momin could be on the hot seat for
making obviously he had him wait, he had the whole
organization waiting he's coming. And obviously he signed because they
got mini camp coming up very soon, mandatory mini camp,
and he wants to.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
Be a part of that, which is also a good thing.
That's a good sign.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
That lets that lets me know that he's buying it
as opposed to what he did last season out there
in New York. So that's a good thing. But I
think that they have a bad season.
Speaker 6 (05:15):
You think you think Mike Tomlin on hot seat him.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Excuse me, no, he just signed. He just signed an extension.
Speaker 6 (05:22):
That don't matter what that means. They pay that all
every year.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
Listen, they they was already talking about it last year,
bro about.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
They didn't have the Steelers haven't fired the coach in
sixty nine.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
I was born in sixteen.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
I'm about to be fifty seven, So they haven't fired
the coach in fifty six years.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
And you just said jud And the man hadn't had
a losing season.
Speaker 6 (05:44):
He never gonna have a losing season. He trained him
so well, they played so hard for Mike Tomas. He's
never gonna have a losing season.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
That's enough.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
That's enough.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Just having just havn't just you know, I don't think
it's enough because he the one that said the standard
is the standard. Well, if the standard is getting to
and competing for Super Bowl, they hadn't competed for a
sup Bowl a long time.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
They had.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Nobody thought even though they make the playoffs, Oh this man,
the Steelers aren't threat. When was the last time that
someone thought that Steelers would be a threat in the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
When they had Paula Malu, when they had Ike Taylor.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Man Paula Malu retired, he in the Hall of Fame,
So he had to wait at least five years to
get into the hall. So we talked about at least
at the bare minimum.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
Five were you you asked, when that's that's ass win?
Speaker 3 (06:27):
When they had the way, when their identity was their defense, they.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Hadn't been a serious threat since then.
Speaker 6 (06:33):
But do you mean that that mean change? Did that
mean change?
Speaker 5 (06:38):
We we ain't been a serious dead or or we
have been so consistent that we just haven't got the
right person. They haven't They haven't had a quarterback that's
theirs since.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Being in Whose fault is that there's consistence? They had an.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Opportunity they could have true and they had been Roethlisberger,
and they thought Bread was gonna pay play like Tom Brady.
You know he wasn't because he's been involved in too
many crashes. He's taking too much punishment. So what you
do is that what good teams do? What did Kansas
City do draft the quarterback and they still had one
on the roster. What did Baltimore do when they had
Joe Flacco? You were there, they drafted a quarterback? You
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see what good team? What the Green may do draft
the quarterback? What the Green may do with Aaron Rodgers?
Draft the quarterback. You see what everybody does. You don't wait.
If you wait till your car break down side the road,
it's too late, you're already stranded.
Speaker 6 (07:30):
Okay, all right, but is that my fault? Yeah?
Speaker 8 (07:35):
Yeah, you don't think Might got no say if he
say get us a quarterback, get us a quarterback, Please
get us a quarterback, and they don't get us a quarterback.
Speaker 6 (07:47):
How y'all gonna get mad at me?
Speaker 2 (07:49):
You give Mike all that, you give all that My
credits say, he never gonna have he never gonna have
him in a losing situation.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
So who drafting those players? The dream of of Mike Tomlin? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (07:57):
Well, I mean, I mean, we don't know will go
on in a war room. But you can't you can't
just say, well that's Mike Tomlin. Mike Tomlin will won
a quarterback.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Matt holdo o jo, Matthew, You mean to tell me
a man that's been there damn near twenty years?
Speaker 1 (08:11):
He ain't got no saint.
Speaker 6 (08:14):
How long has Jim been there?
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Not bed not as long as Mike Tomlin.
Speaker 5 (08:19):
I ain't never heard of still as fine, no gym
or getting a new gym.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
Iver heard of him.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
I tell you what you ever heard of him firing
a coach? No, exactly.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
So my thing is, when you're there that long, you
have some safe you have some sale free the fifty three,
you have some say in free agency, and you that
at how long Mike Tomlin been there? My coach, Kyle
retired in two thousand. They won the Super Bowl in five.
He came back in six, So he retired in seven.
He's been there nineteen years.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
You not.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
There's no coach that's been anywhere for nineteen years that
does not have safe I refuse to believe that.
Speaker 6 (08:58):
I don't know who that is.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
Hold on, dude, I don't.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
I don't even think it's about saying I'm thinking about
the relationship that Ben Roethlisberger might have had with upper
management with those.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Yeah, a great relationship with Mike Tomlin too.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
No no, no, no, no, no no no, no, no, no no.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
Because if Mike Tomlin, Mike Tomlin is a head coach,
he's been in the NFL a very long time.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Yeah, someone knows.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
At some point, I'm going to have to find your successor.
At some point, you look at you, you look at
the landscape of the league. Those that didn't do it.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
Look what's happening now do.
Speaker 6 (09:33):
It?
Speaker 3 (09:33):
That's why, that's why I think that the calling was
above Mike Tomlin's pay grade.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
I disagree.
Speaker 5 (09:41):
I mean, yo, your starring quarterback, your franchise quarterback, is
getting paid more than the coach. Yes, I guarante, dumb,
dumb relationships might be a little stronger than the even
though the coach been there longer, he more teamed. I think, well,
I mean, we're paying this due only seventeen million year.
Speaker 6 (10:00):
We're paying this dude fifty.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
We understand that Mike Tomlin had a very strong relationship
he He's always had a very strong relationship with his
star players. We know that based on the history. We
know that being and when Ab was there and a
lot of these other guys. We know how he feels
about these great players. But in order to keep this
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from happening to you, if you do not get a bridge,
if you wait till somebody burn your bridge down, how
the hell do you get to the other side. I
gave you examples. Kansas City, Alex Smith was a Pro
Bowl quarterback.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
What did they do? Matt the Super Bowl?
Speaker 5 (10:41):
But when you but when you see that, when you
see that Hm. They went and got uh, what's buddy?
Speaker 1 (10:48):
From Pitt?
Speaker 5 (10:49):
They went and got can.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Man stop playing mans picketing out front? Don't know, we
won't go.
Speaker 5 (11:02):
But we gotta we gotta put that on somebody. We
gotta we gotta put that on somebody. When when somebody
don't turn out in the draft? How you think they
are not saying he's a bad player. They didn't like
him for the system and they didn't like what he
was doing, so they had to move on. Do you
put that on the coach or do you put that
on a person that selects and pays the players.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
I think the thing is is that I believe there
there are drafts that they had better quarterback options.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
And that's the thing.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
You could sit back and say, you know what, next year,
this quarterback is good, but you have to move What
did the Green Bay do with Jordan What did they
do with Jordan Love? How much was they paying Aaron Rodgers?
And they and after they signed him, they gave him
a big deal. He was picked off absolutely and just
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like Brett Farr was pissed off when they did what
drafted Aaron Rodgers?
Speaker 5 (11:55):
I mean, yeah, Aaron Rodgers seen a situation play off.
He said he already he already knew what was in
the cards. So he said, all right, y'all not gonna
blame me how y'all played Brett, and just move on.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
I can't worry about one year. I got to worry
about the next ten fifteen years. So if you just
worry about one year and one guy's feelings, you'll be stuck.
Speaker 9 (12:15):
All right, those in those nineteen years, In those nineteen years,
I mean what, I think the only the only player
that would have failed that far to them, which is
a bad pick, was Lamar.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
No, it's not that you fought. You move up Patrick Mahomes.
They moved up to get Patrick Mahomes. They moved they
moved up to get Jordan Love. You don't have to
stay on see you looking at the philosopher. Let somebody
fall into my lap. No, if there's somebody, you move
up to go get them.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
And that's where what I said comes into play. Unkle,
not pissing off your franchise quarterback. I think the relationship
with Ben Roethlisberger and management in GM and president was
much stronger than that of whatever Mike might have wanted.
You think Tonan didn't want a quarterback when he realized Ben, okay,
you're not moving the same, or Ben, you can't throw
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the same, or the velocity on the ball is not
the same.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Mike Toman can see that stuff.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
Yeah, it didn't have to say so, regardless of being
the coach for nineteen years to go and get who
we wanted.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
But here's the thing you still got. You maintained that
great relationship. Now, how you looking as fart? Because the Steelers,
what's the standard for the Steelers? When we think of Steelers,
we think of what o jo championship, championship.
Speaker 5 (13:30):
No ce no, you think of defense? SA you think
you think of Stell Mike townand that's his defense. They
abandoned that.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
They abandoned that when they got when they got Ben
Roethlisberger and they had Antonio Brown and they had Leveyyon Bell.
They've been abandoned the defense when they had the triple bs,
they were throwing the ball.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Ben Roethlisberger's got two five thousand yard seevers, he's got
four or five hundred yard games.
Speaker 5 (13:56):
They've been abandoned that they just had that he had.
They had an exposive offense for five six years. They
had like they had exposive offense. They always had a
good wide receiver. They always had a good wide receiver.
Somebody go get the ball, take the top off. They're
always gonna have that defense. When you think Steelers, you
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think hard hitting defense.
Speaker 6 (14:19):
You know, you know.
Speaker 9 (14:20):
When you hear that, hey mama around.
Speaker 5 (14:23):
You hear that, don't don't you know that defense about
to do something? You know that, you know that defense. Now,
you know it's gonna be cold, rainy, wet when you
go in there. The grass, grass ain't worth nothing, but
jay defense gonna have to come to play. And so
if you're gonna beat the Steelers, you have to keep
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the ball. You have to know how to run the ball,
and you have to limit exposive plays from their offense.
Speaker 6 (14:51):
That's all you gotta. That's how you beat Distiller.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
But when the last time they've had explosive plays from
the offense, Ben Roethlisberger's been gone, ay Be's been gone,
leve Yon Baill been gonna So when if you know
the Steelers to have explosive.
Speaker 5 (15:02):
And that's why that's why George Pickins left the building. George,
George Pickins want to be he wanna he wanna dance.
He wanna. He want to be in the end zone.
He wanna he want to do that. That's why George
Pickens left the building. He said, I have I need,
I need to the line like I want. I want
to see. I want to see how that feels. He
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want to be Jamar Chase. He wanted he seen He's
seen what that looked like in the division. He said,
I can't get that here.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Right, Matthew, thanks for joining us tonight, man, best de
luck in free agency. Come back when you when you
get something penciled in, come back and jordaans and let
us know where you're going.
Speaker 6 (15:42):
All right, I got y'all appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Appreciate it, bro all right, my boy, god, oh Joe, Hey, hey, y'all.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
Hey, before you start like like real quick, real quick,
I just I just want to say something to you.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
I'm gonna see it in cold a little bit. You
understand what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
Even even though Mike, even though it's Mike, I don't
think he has the pool, even though he's the head
coach to override pissing off the franchise quarterback, stay with me.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
He got, I get you what you're saying, but he
got more poo do you think?
Speaker 3 (16:14):
Yeah, absolutely, because he's been there so long. But with that,
with that centerpiece that been there that long.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
I'm not saying. I'm not saying.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
I'm not saying he's got had Bill Belichick Pool. Now,
I'm not saying he got Andy Reid type Pool.
Speaker 6 (16:27):
Bill.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
He might have. He might be next in line with
when it come to Pool.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
Right right, right right, I got you, I got you.
We're on the same coach.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Can think about it.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
They went out, they got Joe Flacco, who led them
to a Super Bowl. What they gonna do They trade
back into the first round, give up next year's first
round pick to get Lamar.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
Hey, you know you can see it, right, you know
when your player is declining. Yeah, things are the same,
especially at the quarterback position.
Speaker 6 (16:53):
You can see it.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
The funny thing about it is.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
How much do players or how much are they self
aware that they're declining better it starts slipping.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
It's hard because, O Joe, you don't want to believe it,
because you've been great for so long. You don't want
to believe it, and so you turn you light it,
O Joe to yourself, You lie to yourself you lie
to yourself.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
Hey boy, you turn that film on and be like,
is that what it?
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Damn? He moving slow? I'm like, oh that's me.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Man who running like they got on tims who run
it like they got Tim's on on the field for.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
That camera, with that camera, that eye in the sky
would embarrass.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Yes, yes, yes, uh oh Joe Adam Sandler to cast Deck.
We we ain't got I mean, we ain't got what
you call him?
Speaker 6 (17:56):
No?
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Oh you just wrote that in there. That what you
just wrote this this tweeted there we have Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Jordan Tuck, Yeah, Jordan Tuck made a good point on Twitter.
Imagine moving on from George Pickings thinking the locker room
distraction only to end up with Aaron Rodgers at your quarterback.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
Well, I mean Aaron Rodgers is a different type of distraction,
a different type of distraction.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
Obviously. I think he's not going to cause any problem
because his lease is short. Because if you.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Missed it, you see his backup sorry his LEAs loan old.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
Listen, you mess things up in Pittsburgh. Where's your next destination?
Where's your don't get home? Oh I meant that, That's
what I meant.
Speaker 4 (18:47):
You don't you you, you have the leverage.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
You don't have the leverage you once had, where you
were sought after, where you wanted the.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
Best in the league.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
You're still living off that past resume, which is why
I wanted and waited for you to sign this late
before mandatory mini camp, because they don't have any other options.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Right.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
So, and a at year twenty one, I mean, this
is gonna be his twenty first season. How many more
seasons do you think he really want to play? He
want to subject himself getting up studying film, studying film
all day, money, studying film all day Tuesday, watching film
after practice on Wednesday Thursday.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
And you know how long you think Aaron Rodgers wants
to do that?
Speaker 3 (19:26):
Listen, hey, when you see what the AFC North like,
ain't no telling might be where he might be one
and done after this season.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
That's my point.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
I mean, at twenty, I mean you take it first
of all, once you get to a certain number of years,
you take it eight.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
I probably a quarterback. Other positions probably take it year teen.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Quarterbacks probably take it at year fifteen, especially the way
they protect him now. So he's gotten six years past
year fifteen. Yeah, Like, I don't think he's tried to
eclipse Tom. He try to play twenty four You think
you try to play twenty four seeds.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Ain't no telling, Ain't no telling, because I obviously they
will continue to sign him the one year deals if
things go well.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
I listen. I mean it's a very teen friendly contract.
I mean thirteen nothing nothing, that's nothing.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
I'm listen.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
I love the Steelers. I don't want them to do well.
I want them to do well except when they play
the Bengals. Want I want dk Metcalf, I want Calvin
Olson the third, and I want Robert Moore.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
They have Robert Woods, Robert Wood, I'm sorry, Robert Woods.
They have phenomenal seasons like they can.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
I just want to see him do well for Mike
thomas sake, I steal a fans that has always been
good to me.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
I fucking love all of them. But when you play
the Bengals, y'all get y'all.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Ass the moment we've all waited for. Shudor Sanders is
drafted in the fifth round. The Browns traded up to
select him. All these anonymous reports are coming out about
your door having bad interviews, especially with the Giants. According
to Todd, mcshae Shuduor completely bombed his interview with the Giants.
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He didn't have a great interview with head coach Brian Dayball.
The preparation wasn't there for an install package. Day Ball
called him out and Sanders didn't like it. Day Ball
has gone eight and twenty six over the past two seasons,
so he probably knows a thing or two about being unprepared.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
To be honest with you, I mean, you go eight
and twenty.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Six, you go eight and twenty six being unprepared, you
and known unprepared person when you see one, considering over
the last two years, that's kind of exactly what you've been.
And then there's been reports of him having a big
entourage because his brother shoots videos of him being in
the family. He's with his brother and his family, no drinking,
no drugs, no controversy.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Just living his life. Oh, Churel, this is I'm gonna
start with you first.
Speaker 6 (21:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Here that he didn't do well in the interview, He
didn't hit it off with coach day Ball and seemed
like he was unprepared, been like the entourage.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
Okay, go ahead, right, I don't believe it, huh, I
don't believe it because every single NFL player, every single
When I say every single, I mean every single has
an entourage. Most of the entourage is is family in France.
If it's not family in France, it's friends that you
grew up with, right, everybody has that. So I'm not
sure why I even came into play and we talked
about everybody regardless of race, regardless of the ethnicity, it
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doesn't matter. So that's one thing interview interview goes bad.
Speaker 4 (22:29):
I'm prepared now.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
I think I'm thinking about a son of one of
the greatest players of all time, who's always been prepared
and coached and having tutelage from one of the best
of all time, and for some reason, all of a sudden,
you weren't prepared for interview when it comes to the
game of football in which he's a quarterback.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
Again, that's something else that's not believable.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
Now, you know, media, media can can can can screw
things and report things that obviously aren't true.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
Bingo, forget that. So he drops to the Cleveland Browns
round five. What picked one. I'm not even tripping at
this point. I'm not even tripping at.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
This point because Prime obviously is prepared should do it
for any and everything, dealing with media, dealing with with
those that doubt you. So I'm just happy he has
this opportunity because what's happening in this scenario, in this
situation in which I still believe, is collusion.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
I'm not talking about race. I'm not talking about race
at all. I'm just speed.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
I'm just saying a collective collusion against brother Sanders and
all the things and just the hype and listen to
the machine again.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
I said it last night. I said it last night.
We have choices. People choose what they want to see.
I said it yesterday. I'm not talking about race at all.
One thing for sure. The Machine is undefeated and will
always remain undefeated. Anytime it feels not really threatened. But
there's another name or family that thinks they can come
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in and do things their way. They'll humble you.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
And this was this was an example of it, an
example of it that we've never ever ever seen before
to this magnitude, We've never seen anything like this.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
I'm happy for Shador.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
I'm happy for Shiloh and for Shador standers getting the
opportunity to play for the Cleveland Browns His situation is
simple as put. It's delayed, but it's not denied. It's
not about where you go, it's what you do once
you get there.
Speaker 4 (24:30):
So now you know what you need to do. The
Browns haven't had a quarterback.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
They haven't had a quarterback, a sufficient quarterback and consistent quarterback.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
Have since Bernie for a very long time.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
This might be their calling, This might be their blessing.
This might be his blessing even going there. So I'm
happy for him. He's gonna do us necessary. I'm sure
he had the chip on the shoulder, and I'm excited
because that in that AFC North, you know it run
through Cincinnati, and.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
The only way you're gonna get it done is you
you got a quarterback. I just had that.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
I saw that.
Speaker 6 (25:05):
I saw you throw that in there.
Speaker 7 (25:10):
Honestly, man, guys, to be honest with you, I mean,
I feel for him, obviously. You know you work so
hard and it's tough for you projected to go first round.
I had a situation once. It's not obviously not the
same because basketball is totally different as far as where
the number of people that get picked. But I was
with my best friend Nazi Muhammad was supposed to be
picked lottery when he came out and NA slid to
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twenty nine and just sitting there and that obviously it
was nothing like where you have to actually wait a
whole nother day to get drafted, but just to see
him slide, huh.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
You ain't two days. He got drafted today.
Speaker 7 (25:44):
Tell you to wait two days. So it's different. But
I think like this, to be honest with you, I
say that I think you have to play the game, Shan,
And to be honest with you, I think if he
were to I'll played. I'm just gonna play the game.
So I get drafted whatever that would have been. Whatever,
And I think sometimes that's whatnot. And I'm not sure this,
and you guys get correct me if I'm wrong, because
it seems like I've never seen an agent, and obviously
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i'm watching from Afar. I'm watching off TV on social media.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
He do he have an agent? I don't know.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
I bet y'allo made a joke too about our dad
with our agent, and we might need to hire a
new agent.
Speaker 7 (26:17):
Okay, I'm right, I don't know, because I think you
know how to say is sometimes you have an agent.
He can tell you the truth behind closed doors of
what they're actually saying and what you need to work on.
So by Diane being to Dad, he probably not really
hearing everything. They probably can't tell him, so he's not
hearing everything that they're saying. So I think that was
probably one mistake. And I don't know if he had
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an agent or no, So if the agent to kind
of buffer that, to talk to him and kind of
figure it out. But you got to figure this thing out, man.
I think what thing about it it was about interview
I don't think a skill set. I mean he put
the numbers up. The numbers speak for theyselves. He had
the numbers, so we got to look at some of
the other stuff. I mean, I worked out for nine teens.
When I came out, I interviewed with nineteens, So you
(27:00):
gotta go through that process. I'm not sure how he interviewed.
Maybe that was a little sketchy. That can rub some
gms and it's that's the wrong way, you know, sometimes
if you don't interview well, maybe the swagger what he's
coming with great family, family dynamics. His family is going
to support him. Obviously, he has a certain swag, a
(27:22):
certain order. He carries with him, which we all love,
and we all we just talked about that. We liked that,
we talked, we all, all three of us talked trash,
we all celebrated, we all had fun, so we know that.
So that's not the problem. We brought our own style,
so that wasn't a problem with him. I just felt
like they didn't play the game that everybody else played,
(27:42):
and they wanted to show them that, Look, it's still
the NFL. We still run this. You still got to
go through this proper pecking order. And I think that's
what it was. That's what it looks like. You can't
look at his If you look at his numbers and
skilled of them, the guys that got picked erform all
this stuff, it doesn't make sense, right. So it's got
to be something behind the scenes. It can't be football ability.
(28:05):
It has to be something behind the scenes. That's why
I said, if he had an agent, maybe somebody that
could hear the noise, because he probably didn't hear the
real noise.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Correct, you know what I mean.
Speaker 7 (28:15):
We were on TV watching all the analysts and everybody,
but you know, y'all prove you so much information. Y'alln't
priview you so much. We're not hearing that real noise,
you know what I mean. So that's what And sometimes
your agent gets that for you to kind of help
you out and maybe help you get your act together.
That's why I really wanted to know if he had
an agent.
Speaker 4 (28:31):
But then, you know, the funny thing about the town,
even at that point, you are who you are. Shador
is who he is. The Sandors family, they are who
they are. That that's it.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
And they've always been unapologetically themselves and that rubs a
lot of people wrong. A lot of people don't like that,
including some of those in the NFL. Some of the
things that Deanna said in.
Speaker 4 (28:51):
The past they probably didn't like. They probably didn't like it.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
You know he wanted to pull and or uh, you
want to pull you know with Eli that probably they
probably didn't like it. They quote tweets that he said
a long time ago. And I know, let me tell
you why.
Speaker 4 (29:07):
I know this is all collusion. You know, I think
about some like like going, you know what, I'm not
even gonna bring it up. I'm not gonna bring it up.
I'm happy he got where he needed to go.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
This is exactly where we're supposed to land because I
guarantee you watch it be a blessing in disguise in
them never having a quarterback and all of a sudden,
for some reason, you do or be in the answer
for the next decade.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
I hope you're right.
Speaker 7 (29:32):
Whould I ask you guys something as a as a
I'm a basketball guy, I'm gonna ask you some chat
you can you can ask this because you're talking right now.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Can you answer?
Speaker 7 (29:40):
This is to Cleveland the right fit for him? Because
sometimes let's let's disregard what number he went. Did he
go to a good situation where he can actually be
able to showcase hisself and have a real opportunity to
be a starting quarterback in the NFL?
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Do you guys like that situation?
Speaker 3 (29:59):
If the GM and the owners are combatant when his
time comes to be able to compete for a starting job,
if they continue to build around him, yes, it's the
right place. If they continue to do right by the
quarterback position like other teams are doing, like they do
for the Mahomes, and they do for the Jalen Hurts,
(30:21):
and they do for you know, the other quarterbacks, the
Jayden Daniels. As you continue to put the pieces to
the postal around him, while you have a quarterback on
a very very cheap I hate using that word cheap,
but you know, a very affordable contract around him.
Speaker 6 (30:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
I think he's in the right place.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
But if they do what they've always done for a
very long time, where they've been through two hundred and
seventy six thousand quarterbacks, then it would be the same,
the same process we repeat itself. They had Baker Mayfield,
you had the number one pick. There was nothing wrong
with Baker Mayfield because look what he's doing in Tampa Bay.
So that tells you where the problem lies. That the
problem lies with Cleveland internally. Now you've got an opportunity again,
(31:04):
let's not f it up.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Yeah, I do.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
I love when the quarterbacks, young quarterbacks come in and
have an unbelievable support system. Hopefully you have somebody that
can that's really smart schematically knows how to diagram plays.
Oh Joe, knows how to put quarterbacks in the right situation.
You have a decent running back. I'm not saying you
need I mean, although that would be nice to have
a Saquon Barkley and the Derrick Henry On a rookie quarterback,
(31:27):
But you need quality receivers. You see CJ. Stroud where
he went and had success. Look at the receiving court
that he had. You look at Jade and Daniels, look
at the receiving court that he had. The question is
are there enough pieces around any quarterback for regardless if
it's a rookie or not, is there are enough pieces
around him so he can adequately do what he needs
to get done. I think Stefanowski is as an unbelievable coach.
(31:49):
He's the coach of the year. He knows how to
call plays, he knows how the scheme plays, and so
now it just comes down to, Okay, when you get
your opportunity, you gotta shine. You got to prepare like
there's no tomorrow, because that's already out there.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
O Joe.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
You see what they said he was unprepared. You see
what they did on Joe. See we already put that
out there on you.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
Now, hey, that's the game. They're gonna play the game.
They're going to play the game. There's only one way
you could beat the game. That's in between the lines. Yeah,
no matter what to say, it blocks out all the noise.
You can only beat the game in between the lines.
That's it, no matter what they say.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
But but I will say this on Joe, I don't
know if they're gonna allow Bluckie to go in and
film everything that that your do is doing.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
That's over. That's over now.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
When you when you're at Colorado and your dad's the
head coach, they're gonna allow that.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
That's over with now.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
Yeah, I mean they understand that.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
But I thought he was thought I thought he was
the video guy. I thought he's the video No, UK,
you ain't gonna have no no personal video guy. Well
yeah you can.
Speaker 4 (32:45):
Yeah, you can't do that now.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
Once you once you entered that building, once you on
grounds in that facility, all that all that's done.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
Yeah and so yeah, and so that's that's having it
onto rock.
Speaker 6 (32:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
I don't like I said, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
I don't know if he went to the building and
they tried to go in the meeting rooms and Bucket
was trying to capture content. He doesn't have an agent
because Time agent was Eugenie Parker rested Sould. Eugene passed
away several years ago, and so I'm sure Time will
probably interview somebody now. And I agree with you, twine probably.
(33:23):
And that's the thing, because you have an agent and
they hear things that they can tell you things. Now
they're gonna all the really really bad stuff. They ain't
gonna share that with you because they don't want to
mess with your mentally, but they'll share enough of stuff
with you so you get the picture and get a
great understanding of what's actually going on.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
So hey, if I'm not mistaken, I so you know,
obviously my agent was obviously when I first got a
league in Jerome Stanley, phenomenal dude that did really well
for me on the back end of my career from
the middle on the back end, it was Drew Rosenhause.
And if I'm not mistaken, I saw Jus rosenhouse post
for Shiloh saying is once he got drafted. So I'm
(34:01):
assuming Jerro's housepus to be represented representing Shiloh.
Speaker 4 (34:04):
I'm not sure represents your door though, right, I get.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
It, because Okay, the Brian's Court, the current quarterback room,
Deshaun Watson, Joe Flacco, Kenny Pickett, Dylan Gabriel, Shadoor Sanders,
Deshaun Watson, Starter Flako is a vet if Deshon can't go.
You got Kenny Pickett, the backup, Dylan Gabriel, rookie Sha Dore,
rookie Phil.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
What's going on? I mean, damn, what's really going on?
What's really going on on? Joe Hey.
Speaker 4 (34:31):
I like to compete. I ain't got no problem with it.
I like to compete. Who I need to beat out?
I love Kenny Pickett.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
I don't know how you beat Desjon now when he
got another forty eight got thirty eight million dollars this
year and another forty million next year.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
How you beat him out? Sean?
Speaker 4 (34:46):
He not shun, not playing the shit.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
Okay, he's not gonna play this year. Okay, So now
you got yeah, yeah, Achilles.
Speaker 4 (34:53):
Achilles, Achilles. Yeah. So listen, keys, I'm gonna take your
how it's gonna play out. I love Kenny Picott.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
I love Kenny Pickett.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
I love that that No brother Gabriel, but Shador if
he does what he's supposed to do. You know, we've
seen Kenny Pickett already. We haven't seen Dylan Gabriel yet.
But I'm just saying, I know, probably like I'm gonna start,
He's gonna start at some point.
Speaker 4 (35:20):
She just gonna get a shot. At some point, he's
gonna get that shot. And when the door opened.
Speaker 6 (35:27):
Let me let me ask both of you guys.
Speaker 7 (35:28):
Let me ask both of you, whyleud Cleveland do that?
Whileould Cleveland want a quarterback room with five guys that
that break up is?
Speaker 9 (35:36):
That?
Speaker 6 (35:36):
Does that mean anything? Taking him free?
Speaker 1 (35:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (35:41):
Three?
Speaker 7 (35:42):
Okay, but the sewn Sean DeShawn is not playing playing,
he's not playing like January or February something like that.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
You're right, I forgot you might just go ahead and
you know, put him on our R and go ahead,
let that go. Uh what I don't get Cleveland. At
some point in time, y'all gotta stop trade back. Y'all
could have had Julio Jones. You traded back. You could
have had you could have had Travis Hunter, and you're
dor and you traded back at some point in time
when guys are sitting there waiting for you to take them,
(36:11):
tank them right, thank them.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
It's okay.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
But I guess they're looking at it like we're more
than one player away. But sometimes that player can help
change things around. I don't I don't get it. I
don't get what they're doing with this situation. Uh, like
you said, Twine, he had an unbelievable college career. He
played well at Jackson State, and then they said, well, yes,
(36:37):
Jackson State, that's why you're doing that. He goes to Colorado,
he puts up succeptional numbers, uh, you know, great completion percentage.
He throws guys open. No, he's not the most athletic guy,
but he's not a decatholic. He don't need to high jump,
long jump, pole vault, shot put, hurdle one hundred, all
hundred fifty. He'll do all that all he needed to do.
(36:59):
Can he take three? Can he drop back five? Can
his own read?
Speaker 6 (37:02):
Can?
Speaker 2 (37:03):
Can he do the stuff? Can he process information in
a hurry? Yeah, that's what the quarterback needs. He needs
to be confident. He needs to be able to process
information in the hurry, and he needs to be able
to retain information. I mean he he's shown you he
could do that ever since he I mean from from
middle school to high school to college. So let's see
if that is that's transferable. I like to think I
(37:23):
don't like to think that it is. But you don't know, Tye.
You know this same thing with all sports. You don't
know what you have in a guy until you get
him in your building and put him in your uniborn.
That's when you're one know for certain what the hell
I got? Yeah, because all this other stuff. Boy, he
won this award and he did all this, and he
did all of that. And I've seen it having played
(37:44):
in the NFL. Guys come in and have all these
credentials and I don't know how they Hey, somebody gave
you a fake passport, cause I don't know how you
get all I don't know how you get all that.
Speaker 7 (37:56):
Let me ask you, guys, in football, is it about
the number or is it more about the fit?
Speaker 1 (38:01):
Fit?
Speaker 7 (38:01):
It's always gonna be fit. It's always gonna be fit,
so always do you guys think? So if you had
to grade this fit, where would you guys go?
Speaker 4 (38:12):
Right now?
Speaker 1 (38:13):
I know you gotta go compete. I like New Orleans fit.
I would have liked New Orleans a little better.
Speaker 4 (38:20):
I would like New Orleans better too.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
But the thing is now, because I was telling not
what your last night is that I went to a
team I was a big wide receiver. I went to
one of the three teams that had the he back position.
Washington had the age back position. The Broncos had the
h back position, and uh uh the Chargers, uh San
Diego there in San Diego then had the age back position.
(38:43):
Every tight end on the roster got hurt. I'm the
biggest receiver. Coach Reese, come a, would you be willing
to move to age back? I'm gonna catch the ball? Yeah,
if you threw me, if you you learned to plays Okay,
So now here I am a big wide receiver. Imagine
I don't go to a team that has age back position.
So I switched midway through like a third of the
(39:04):
way I have like probably like week eight, Week nine,
Week ten, they moved me to like tight end ta
and the rest of that they say history. So it's
absolutely where you go. Not I get it because a
lot of times twin you know this first four or
five picks, they get a boatload of money. Now you
(39:25):
want to make a boatload of money for a short
period of time, for an extended period of time. Because
I had a fourteen year career. There are a lot
of guys that went in the first round on show.
They made money for a three four year period. I
made money for a fourteen year period. It's not how
much money you make, it's how long you make money
and then what are you going to do. It's not
how much money you make, it's how much you keep.
So it's absolutely twe.
Speaker 4 (39:45):
Fit, where you go that fit, and what they do
for you while you're there.
Speaker 7 (39:51):
For him too, though, he got he's made a little
money in the anil space too.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
So yeah, okay.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
Had he known what he known, he stayed in college
and made some more nil money. He like, hell, if
y'all go take me to field ground. He made more
thing and I'm ailing, what is rook your contract?
Speaker 1 (40:05):
Go to your joke? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (40:07):
Yeah, oh wow, that is right.
Speaker 4 (40:10):
Wow, listen, I think I think the situation in general
is good for him.
Speaker 3 (40:16):
It puts a chip on the shoulder. Oh this is
this is how you feel about me? Okay, bet hold
my beer, I got this. Watch me listen. I faced
adversity before. I've had the hurdle obstacles before. This is
just another one that's in the way.
Speaker 4 (40:31):
I'm going to show you.
Speaker 3 (40:32):
I'm going to prove to you that I'm worthy of
doing all the things you said I can't.
Speaker 4 (40:37):
Oh you feel I'm a fifth round pick. I mean
I'm I'm a fifth rounder. Okay, bet I'm not. I'm
not tripping. I'm not. I'm not tripping on again. Chadors
a chat. I know y'all can hear me. Chador's situation
as simple as this. It was delayed. It wasn't he
one denied, that's all.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
Now when you get there, hey, do what you're supposed
to do and everything else to take care of himself.
Will nobody care where you got drafted at?
Speaker 1 (41:04):
And he had to wait.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
That was so disappointed, and they prank calling him and
doing all this other stuff.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
When you go do what you need to do, everything
is fine. Everything
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