DaBaby Part 2

The conversation stays hot in Part 2 of this edition of Club Shay Shay with DaBaby. First, he asserts his confidence by claiming that his verse on Kanye's "Jail" surpasses Jay-Z's. The episode takes a star-studded turn as DaBaby recounts meeting Beyoncé at a Diddy party. On a personal note, DaBaby declares his intention to keep his dating life private, vowing never to go public with who he's with again. He also opens up about the support he received from influential hip hop figures like 50 Cent and Kanye West after his public incident, shedding light on the contrasting approaches to handling scrutiny from the two rap icons. This episode offers a fascinating blend of sports opinions, music insights, and personal revelations, making it a must-listen for fans of DaBaby and those curious about the intersections of sports and entertainment.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Give me my rushmore rappers. You're greater, your greatest four
rappers of all.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
Time, no particular order. Fifty cent Lil Wayne Tupac and me.

Speaker 3 (00:24):
You the first. You want a shot? Yeah, you take
me right here. I got got I got in me
for Joe for Shore. Fifty cent Little Wayne Tupac and me.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
You're the first of all the people that I've had
in here. And I've had a lot of comedians, a
lot of slabs in here. You're doing the one that
ever put yourself on.

Speaker 3 (00:43):
My rough back. Oh man, I got to. You know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
I got to and I'm willing to demonstrate that's the
difference you are. I call myself. I've been calling myself
the best for a while now, you know what I mean.
And that's not to say that's how everybody should feel
about whatever it is they do. That's the first step
you did, you know what I'm saying, But gotta believe it.
But that second step is being able to Yeah, if
that's tested, you know what I'm saying, be able to
follow through with it.

Speaker 3 (01:05):
I love to You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
I love to and I love I love the uh
to go up against some iron and be and be
sharpened or be or to be shown that you ain't
sharp enough.

Speaker 3 (01:17):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (01:18):
Get get right. I love to know who I know.
I find out this comforting that who would you like
to jump on the feature with that? You haven't been
on one with that? I haven't been on one yet.
Kendrick Lamar Okay, kense Lamar, Drake the best, anybody who
considers themselves the best.

Speaker 3 (01:33):
I love to bro. That's what I'm all about, you
know what I mean, That's what I'm all about.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
And I'm gonna do something. You're gonna you know, they
know when a nigga got it like that too. See
that's the thing, like they know little yo, little yachiya.
He said that your verse on jail was better than holes.

Speaker 3 (01:52):
It was. You heard both of them. I don't want
to get a come on to you a straight shooter.

Speaker 1 (02:03):
I tell you who over here. I'm trying to get
ahold of a straight shooter. I'm gonna ask you that
once I get him over here. I just said, I
just saw you.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
You just got on brawn because he said, if you
adn't go to Miami, you are that. So you're gonna
let you're gonna let jay Z slide jay Z real talk.

Speaker 3 (02:17):
You know, jay Z, you know what I got that?
But respect for you check this side? Is your verse
better than mine? You know what?

Speaker 2 (02:23):
Was your verse better than mine? Come on, come on,
o G, come on you. I mean it wasn't you
know what I'm saying. I'm it wasn't, no G and
it is. That's okay, we ain't do it at the
same time.

Speaker 3 (02:38):
But man, you know what I'm saying. It ain't like me,
you know, it ain't.

Speaker 2 (02:40):
It ain't like you had the ability to be able
to say, Okay, now hold on, let me let me
do it over.

Speaker 3 (02:44):
Yeah, we did it in two different two different times,
but definitely.

Speaker 1 (02:47):
So but you But but do you know, let's just say,
for the sake of argument, you jump on the feature
with somebody and they got two other two other guys,
three other people on that thing.

Speaker 3 (02:55):
You don't know when they're gonna do there. It didn't
happened to me before.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
You give what I'm saying, like I didn't like to
wear Okay, somebody send me a song. I'm just thinking,
okay boo, and they just sending me this song, you know,
and and in every and in every situation. It ain't
competition the oh. The end goal is to make the best,
the best song possible.

Speaker 3 (03:11):
You get, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (03:12):
Like you know your end goal is to make the
best song possible. But you know when you when you
got if you know you got the opportunity to compete
with with people who skill set you didn't, You didn't
looked up to you know what I mean, for decades
or whatever what have you. If you know you in
the room with the best, you know you gotta come
with your best, right, you get what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (03:28):
So that's also a thing too. But we wasn't in
the room. We wasn't.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
He had no knowledge of me. But his song, his
version of the song was already out or whatever. And
you know, to my defense, I didn't listen to his
version of the song and then go do my verse
like Kanye just said this one right here, you know
what I'm saying, And yeah, he really gave me a
couple of them to do.

Speaker 3 (03:47):
I recorded that.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
In the middle of a warehouse on a on a cart,
had a studio set up on the cart mm hm.

Speaker 3 (03:52):
But definitely and like that.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
Recording and probably like like ten minutes, didn't write a word,
you know what I'm saying, And it was just like that, Yeah,
for sure for shore for show.

Speaker 3 (04:02):
But I definitely feel like my verse, my verse. But
when you jump on you jump on a feature, are
you trying? Are you trying to go hard? Are you trying?

Speaker 2 (04:07):
Because there's compete hurting songs for show? Yeah, yeah, they competitive,
they competitive this kick in for sure, like the like
on the UH, I got a song with Ja Cole
because there was another person I would have mentioned, he
would have been at the top of that list I
want to do.

Speaker 3 (04:19):
And I was gonna mention that I want to do
more work with Ja.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
Cole Helly, especially with its boat being from North Carolina,
like I love to whatever. Hopefully you know this right
here sparks the conversation and we can move towards that.
But I got and it's a lot of people like
like one of their favorite verses for me. People come
up to me and tell me all the time, I'm
running the people in Travick under the sun.

Speaker 3 (04:37):
You know what I mean? That got me j Cole
on it. Another dude from Charlotte named Luke Luke West.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
But a lot of people, you know, they did that
verse not when Cole sent me that and they like, Okay,
yeah Cold wants you on the song. Yeah you know
I'm yeah, I'm coming with Okay now I'm coming like
this on this song.

Speaker 3 (04:52):
I know how I'm coming on this song.

Speaker 2 (04:54):
You get what I'm saying because I know who I'm Hey, look,
i know who I'm getting in bed with.

Speaker 3 (04:57):
You get know what I'm saying. I gotta be I
gotta you know, so gotta come ready to play.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
Somebody say they say songs, I don't want to do
people like that. So if I'm on the song with
a certain type of artists and it's you know they
style ain't really because I'm I mean, I'm I'm I
like to think of myself without being here sound like
I'm too my own horn.

Speaker 3 (05:15):
But I'm very aware that I'm versatile. You know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (05:18):
I could dumb it down and make everybody I can
make together women.

Speaker 3 (05:20):
Put their hands on the knees, make it, get it
with and put the hand.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
Or I can get on Lauren, He'll be you get
what I'm saying, and make the Aunties say, boy, don't
play with that boy like he You know what I mean?
He liked that, So you know, it's kind of like
I got that going on, but I don't. I don't
utilize that like I take advantage of that. I don't
take advantage of that, taking advantage of it to be
getting on the song where that ain't caused for and
going outside of the vibe that's already.

Speaker 3 (05:45):
Set with it.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
You coming to get a feature for me going outside
the vibe and the groundwork that's already set. Getting off topic,
off off you know what I mean. I wanted to
be cohesive and a and a piece of work.

Speaker 3 (05:54):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (05:55):
I don't want it to sound like I came in
here to compete with somebody who is a fan of
me to be able to ask me to you know
what I'm saying, take part in what they got going on. Nah,
they coming to do that because they take a liking
to me or some sort of You feel like I'm
trying to take your head off. You ain't gonna come.
You ain't coming back, right, You ain't come on now
if you if you called me to come play football,
I ain't gonna think you're trying to come run me over.

(06:17):
And if we get out there and that's what you doing. Nah, bro,
this ain't what I can This ain't what that came for,
you know. So we ain't if we go out there
right now throwing football around, you ain't finna take not
line up in front of me.

Speaker 3 (06:28):
Now we ain't. I ain't playing with you. Ain't gonna
do me like that, you know what I mean. So
it's that type of thing. Man, You're gonna keep it
within them.

Speaker 2 (06:34):
You're gonna keep it within the space where we can
have the best the best performance cohesively, you know what
I mean.

Speaker 3 (06:39):
So I don't do that.

Speaker 2 (06:40):
Like certain times, I scale back when I know I can,
like I can take over the whole song, like I'm
not about to play like that, Like that ain't what
I'm in it for, you know what I mean. But
other times, when it's artists that love that, like their competitiveness.

Speaker 3 (06:50):
And that you know, yeah and yeah and and and
what they bring.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
To the table, it commands that, then yeah, I'm gonna
rise to the occasion every time.

Speaker 1 (06:57):
Like callis on. God, did he got Wross? I got weezy,
He's got hold right. So I got okay, baby, I
got this feature right. And let me tell you who
I'm gonna tell you who's only right now I'm coming.

Speaker 3 (07:06):
I got with you.

Speaker 2 (07:07):
I would have walked a mile and a half Ross
Weezy whole Drake Cole that had to tell me, boy,
the song over stop rapping. The people have went out,
I have still been going. I'm gonna make them say
when you turn on this go off boy, that boy
I'm here to play. I'm gonna make him say that.
I'm gonna make him say, damn, he just is wraw.

Speaker 3 (07:28):
You know what I'm saying. He just is wrong, if
not more than than the company that he's in.

Speaker 2 (07:33):
You know what I'm saying. Like, and that's what I'm
supposed to do. You know what I mean as a man,
as a person, as an artist. That's what you're supposed
to do.

Speaker 1 (07:38):
Since you've been in the game for a minute, Now,
what's some of your what's one of your best purchase
in one of your worst purchases?

Speaker 3 (07:45):
Best purchases?

Speaker 2 (07:46):
Uh, my best purchase is I had to say that
the the ten Naka state that I own that I
bought flat.

Speaker 3 (07:55):
Out, which is worthwave mo. Now.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
Uh worst purchases, I got a lot of them. I
got a lot and what and and I won't even
call my my home that I own my my best purchase.
I call that my best purchase just because it's it's tangible,
it's something I can I can immediately get to my
kids right now, you get what I'm saying, and let

(08:22):
them decide to do what they want to do with it,
what have you. But I think I think my best
the best way I spent my money was investing in myself, reinvesting.
That's something I've been doing from them from the get go,
you know what I mean. That's where majority of my bread,
that the bread I have spent, I spent it right
back in just reinvesting in myself, right and you know,
and exploring different areas, you know what I'm saying, in

(08:43):
different fields that I that I feel like I got
the ability to operate in. But worst purchase got to be.

Speaker 3 (08:52):
Ship. It might be investing in others. They might be
hand in hand, that might not be that.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
Complex of a question at all, you know what I'm saying,
And investing in but I don't even I wouldn't even
call that, you know what I mean, bad, a bad investment,
because you know that's that's who I am as a person,
right You give know what I'm saying, Like, that's just
who I am as a person. I never I don't
think I could ever change that. It's as much as
invite me in my ass. I don't think that's something
I can get away from it still feel fulfilled, you
know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (09:17):
As a person. Did you really on the private jet? No?
I was. I had that on my I had that
was so yeah, at the end.

Speaker 2 (09:23):
Of whatever year that all the drama tip of twenty
twenty one, I was definitely gonna give me a private jet.

Speaker 3 (09:29):
I already had thirty million on the schedule. Not to mention.

Speaker 2 (09:32):
The the the boy about the hunted that would have
came around. I was definitely buying me one. I would
buy me when I'll be seeing you in oo go
back for that's my dog too. That's every time I
run into it. He really liked that too. Now I
done ran into him at the mirrorge store, like, what's
going on in I had this off and on to today,
I'm gonna buy another one. I had this old since Thursday.

(09:55):
I'm like real quick playing, I'm serious, I'm serious, But nah,
I definitely had plans on doing that still do I'm
like you man, I look, I worked too. I work
hard now, Yeah, I ain't trying to shoes off, I
take my laptop out the bag.

Speaker 1 (10:08):
I don't mind that, but I don't, you know, like
I'm practical. But what I tell yo, I'm doing all
this hard work and I get the least enjoyment out
of you.

Speaker 3 (10:15):
See what I'm saying. We got to balance it out.

Speaker 2 (10:17):
Yeah, somewhere on Yeah, somewhere along the line that got
to be balanced out.

Speaker 1 (10:21):
I read that you took your grill out because you
wanted to be more commercial.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
Not even wanted to be more commercial, just got just
got tired of it. And I didn't always have a
pretty st grew out of it here. Yeah, yeah, I
was just over that, you know what I'm saying. Yeah,
I was over there. You get two though, But that
was definitely one of the things like where I was
able to take it, where I was blessed enough to
be able to take it to with them the first
twelve months of my mainstream career.

Speaker 3 (10:42):
Yeah, definitely, it was timing. It was time to you know.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
Yeah, you mentioned to scare you off when I smiled,
I want you to be like, damn.

Speaker 1 (10:48):
Man, I'm looking your north Carolina State. You got a
football field, basketball court, swimming pools, guard towers, concrete walls.

Speaker 3 (10:56):
Yes, sir, your neighbors complained, Yes, sir, when they complained
to this, you know what I mean, helped doing it
bigger than them. What was going on? Who is there?
Who is there? Why we can't come over? No, that's why.
That's why, you know what I mean. It's for me,
my kids, more people, this thing, you know, it's all good.

Speaker 2 (11:14):
I came out here for peace. I wouldn't even came
out here, you know what I mean. If I wanted
to be in the mix. I have people in my business,
I would have gotten a mix. That's easy, right, you
know what I'm saying. I came to get away from
the mix. But they definitely wanted to be out of there.

Speaker 3 (11:24):
Oh normal. They just they just left me alone. They
just left me alone, just left me alone. What made
you decide to stay in your hometown? My kids?

Speaker 2 (11:36):
It's the only if I wasn't, if I wasn't the
type of the father that refused you give what I'm
saying up and even out of ping on, I left
before I popped, right, you know what I'm saying, And
came back you know what I'm saying. I left it
and yeah, and took me, me, my baby, mama and
my daughter.

Speaker 3 (11:51):
We came to La.

Speaker 2 (11:53):
We came out here before I popped, maybe in twenty seventeen,
moved to Cold Turkey.

Speaker 3 (11:58):
You get what I'm saying. And I've been trying to
get on from now.

Speaker 2 (12:02):
And they don't welcome success where I'm from. But I
never one of the points I touched on the beginning,
like they don't. You know, it ain't you can't. You
can't be a black man and be successful. That's that's
too foreign to them, right, you know what I'm saying.
And they ain't trying to make it become you know, domestic.
They don't want to get used to that. You see
what I'm saying. They don't, don't.

Speaker 3 (12:23):
You know?

Speaker 2 (12:23):
That ain't something I can Yeah, I could put a
finger on you know, as the wise, it's like that.

Speaker 3 (12:27):
But that's what it is when I'm from.

Speaker 1 (12:28):
Yeah, Because I'm thinking it's like when we see so
many people from their hometown and you would think everybody's like, man,
he from a hometown, he do it, he doing it big.

Speaker 3 (12:39):
But it seems like they hate even more. Yeah, especially
where I'm from. That's just how it go, you know
what I mean?

Speaker 1 (12:45):
You see what happened to I forget the target my
head in Memphis put a target on your back.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
But why look, you know, you in a position that
there's so many people that they seeking. You know what
I'm saying, like, I don't know, there's something that's a
whole that's the whole thing.

Speaker 3 (13:04):
Man.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
You have to you have to move differently cityways I
had to before before you know what I mean, I
popped as an artist, so and and that's kind of
like how I navigate through this.

Speaker 3 (13:14):
That's why a lot of.

Speaker 2 (13:15):
The things like that I that I've been able to
navigate through that I done had to navigate through since
I done been in the in the mainstream music business.

Speaker 3 (13:23):
It's like cake to meat, bro because it's you know,
this is.

Speaker 2 (13:25):
What I'm from. Like where I'm from, everybody hating on you.
So so when it when it was that time where
everybody loved me, everybody loved it, everybody loved the baby,
I ain't trusted. I'm looking like man, yeah right, I
had a straight face. You get what I'm saying. I
you know, I still you don't know how to network
know how to move around whatever. But it's like you know,
when when when things did take a turn and everybody
jump ship.

Speaker 3 (13:46):
That's why I didn't respond. That's why I didn't panic.

Speaker 2 (13:48):
That's why I didn't because you didn't trust what it
was all good it was. I knew that was I
knew that was due to happen. You get them at
some particular point for whatever reason. You get what I'm saying.
I knew, you know what I mean, that was due
to happen. I'm so used to that. What was what
I had, what I was having trouble growing used to
was the the love you know what I'm saying, and
the you know, and and just the yeah, the admiration.

Speaker 3 (14:07):
But it's it's like that in Charlotte.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
Like I can go, you know, across the country, put
ten thousand people in this arena for Charlotte artist, you
beat and put ten thousand people in arena somewhere else.

Speaker 3 (14:17):
You come to Charlotte just because you from Charlotte. Boy,
you'd be lucky. You get a thighs. That's that's Charlotte.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
That's that's what it is. You know what I'm saying.
That's all the way around the board. That's from the people,
to the police, to everybody.

Speaker 3 (14:30):
You know.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
Like once they learned, oh I'm about I signed a
major deal, they pulling us over, dressed like us, blue
jeans on everywhere we go, pulling us over, searching the
whole car.

Speaker 3 (14:39):
They were trying to build a case.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
The second Dicky, they realized, you know what I'm saying,
I had, I had, you know, uh went into another
another bracket financially, you know what I'm saying, along with
just already being a black man from Charlotte. I guess
they felt like that was a dangerous combination and or
they like, get get it away.

Speaker 3 (14:59):
From over here, go go somewhere else. Moved to l A,
mood to Atlanta. But you moved l A and you
got arrested. I love about it. Man.

Speaker 2 (15:05):
I ain't moved at LA when I got arrested on rodeo. Man,
I was in the car with it, and he was
supposed to that was his gun. You ain't take your
charge for your gun.

Speaker 3 (15:14):
Man, the long long time potner mine until he dead
ass wrong man, that was he. He made you eat it.
You He didn't say that. He know how this go.

Speaker 2 (15:22):
So when you don't say nothing, they gonna charge everybody
with it, but not when you got a wrap in
the car. Oh no, that's he that's his you know
what I'm saying. So he's hold on your your partner.
He's gonna make me get back mad by this.

Speaker 1 (15:37):
Hold up by they forgive if moved on. He ain't
even missed and he got smissed.

Speaker 3 (15:43):
He gotta eat that work. You see what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (15:45):
For sure, you give it just out the strand being
I mean, we didn't been pulled over several times in
the streets before I had the Grammys two weeks after
that all the all the nominated four times and the
Grammys did two weeks after that that incident.

Speaker 3 (15:59):
You know what I'm saying, and like and yeah, all.

Speaker 1 (16:01):
The all the bottles at one part because of you,
all the all the you know the things that come
along with be with the baby.

Speaker 3 (16:08):
He ain't eat that what.

Speaker 2 (16:13):
Man, Look I tell you what man the podier, Yeah, poier, man,
keep you some of this just in case you need
to take a shot like I do right now.

Speaker 3 (16:21):
You know what you live and you learn? Man? Are
you still are you cool with him? Are yo? You
donna let that go? You're like, no, bro, we can't.

Speaker 2 (16:27):
For a while, I couldn't even I couldn't even stomach
you couldn't it being in the room with my boy
man for a while. But I don't forget since then
I done forgave him. You get what I'm saying. And uh,
you know, but I just I just move. I just
move accordingly. I just moved.

Speaker 3 (16:41):
We moved differently, though you look at him different Nigga.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
I ain't even gonna be in the car with nobody
that you know if I you know, I ain't.

Speaker 3 (16:49):
Even Yeah, but the forgiveness wasn't for him, is for you.

Speaker 2 (16:51):
You had me cut the man I love, you know,
I his daughter, that's my niece, his mama.

Speaker 3 (16:58):
That's that's my baby. You know what I'm saying. You
know that's my baby. They know this.

Speaker 2 (17:01):
It hurt them too, right, you get it because they know.
You get what I'm saying, like they know they know this.

Speaker 3 (17:07):
You feel me. They know if I'm with me, even being.

Speaker 2 (17:09):
Who I was, if the gun was mine, I wouldn't
have went out like that.

Speaker 3 (17:13):
I would have that's mine. You get what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
It's legal, It's that you're allowed to have it first
of all, So it ain't no. Just to give people context,
we ain't riding around he ain't. It wasn't no gun,
but nobody went.

Speaker 3 (17:24):
On you can have it. So it's like, what you
what you're doing? You feel me? Right, that's yours to
take your lig Yeah, that's what we've been doing.

Speaker 2 (17:31):
Yes, that's yeah, you've been doing yeah before we got here,
So it's I would it was so it was so
left field, and I'm just like, damn, But you know,
I feel like it was a lesson that I needed
to learn.

Speaker 3 (17:40):
You give what I'm saying. At the end of the day,
that's what I needed to learn.

Speaker 1 (17:44):
You you talked about your mom when you grew up,
you had a bench, you have a speed bag, you
had a heavy bag, so obviously you're good with your hands.
And you say, I ain't a I got beat out today.
My brother got me. But outside the house, I ain't
taking How do you how do you move differently? Because
you know people wanna try you. Yeah, so how do
you move? How do you how do you move accordingly
to make sure the baby ain't in a situation? Back

(18:06):
at the end, like if we know some of the
things that have happened in your path.

Speaker 2 (18:10):
To end like that again on a day to day basis,
like I've been, I didn't have to and you know,
we didn't tested on a lot of points that this
shape the way I move on a day to day basis,
including the city that I'm from. I've been had to move,
you know what I mean, on the basis of staying
out the way and survival. You know what I mean,
from day one, before I ever even got in front
of a microphone, from in the streets to you know
what i mean, translating over into you know what I mean,

(18:33):
doing music and being a rapper. So I'm I'm almost
just I'm I'm accustomed to it now.

Speaker 3 (18:38):
For the trouble, the trouble that you just.

Speaker 2 (18:40):
Can't seem the avoid it seemed to come knocking on
your doorstep.

Speaker 3 (18:45):
I just happened to be ready for it, That's all,
you know. But I don't.

Speaker 2 (18:48):
I ain't no, I'm not no bully, I'm not no.
You know, battles I feel like I know I can win.
I don't even partake in them, You get what I'm saying. Like,
I don't, I don't get down, and I don't respect.
I don't respect bullets. I don't respect you know what
I mean. I don't pick my battles. I ain't gonna
act respond like this to this dude, but not respond
like this to this one that ain't high rock.

Speaker 3 (19:09):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
But I just I mind my business, brun, you know,
I just I move with grace on the daily basis,
like I don't bother nobody.

Speaker 3 (19:15):
You know what I mean, I be cooling, you know.

Speaker 2 (19:17):
So the contrary the popular belief, like you know what
I mean, just overall, I'm a good guy. You know
what I'm saying, Like I don't, I don't start no
trouble nowhere, you know what I mean. I'll avoid it
and try to and try to defuse it before I
you know, before I bet the vesseler like I don't.
That ain't really how I get down anyway. It's just
as a person. That ain't how I get out. I

(19:37):
give I respect. I give respect first. I did know
what I'm saying. In all situations, I give respect, I
leave with, I leave with what with what I demand?
You get what I'm saying, And then that way, you know,
it is what it is. If it go any other way,
that's something somebody else is adamant on taking place, and
get what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (19:55):
It gotta be that never go anywhere with me.

Speaker 2 (19:56):
That's why you see like a lot of my a
lot of instances that occur with me. Yeah, make headlines
of to do this and do that, because I am
who I am. But if you if you know, if
people do, they they do diligence on the situation that
charge dismissed or nothing happens, or it didn't work for
the it didn't work for the other end. You get
what I'm saying, because it wasn't done righteously.

Speaker 3 (20:16):
You know what I'm saying. Me, I just I move
righteously on the day to day basis. You know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
I move righteously. I get my hustle on. I you know,
I I pouring. I pour into my creativity and ever
to pour it into the world. I take care of
my kids, my people, you know, and and I you know,
I stick.

Speaker 3 (20:34):
And move, I move smooth. I know how to move right,
you know what I mean? So? So where what what's
up with this rappers beat? I think you do? What
the rap? Why why we got raped? Beef? You said
you told me enough money for everybody? Yeah, all that
all that be you know, the riving around Ego.

Speaker 2 (20:48):
Now for any rap beef that where somebody hadn't actually
been hurt or something, Okay, that's a different.

Speaker 3 (20:52):
Thing, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (20:52):
Like you know that that boils down the you know,
loyalty or this or that, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (20:57):
Like for whatever.

Speaker 2 (20:58):
But but other than that, it really just be Ego. Man,
it be Ego. You know a lot and a lot
of people. It's better than them. They can't shake they
can't shake it, you know what I'm saying. But I
ain't really want to. I ain't never really been wanting
for taking no rap beef Like I'm not trying to
play like that.

Speaker 3 (21:13):
Because it ain't right, you know it's I ain't trying
to play like that. You know.

Speaker 2 (21:17):
It's one or two types of people, you know what
I'm saying. I ain't one of them. I Am not
trying to go back and forth with you on these
zones and we get in this room and then you
act like we don't got this going on?

Speaker 3 (21:28):
Nah?

Speaker 2 (21:30):
Nah, you know what I'm saying. So I don't even
participate in it, you know what I mean? And you know,
I thank god people don't don't try to real me
into that.

Speaker 3 (21:39):
You know what I mean. You dealt with some loss
in your life. Yeah, absolutely absolutely?

Speaker 1 (21:45):
How did that impact you? How did that? Because you
know you got three boys. You mentioned three boys. I'm
assuming in part of me if my assumptions are off,
that you were close with your brother, because there's three
of y'all. You say, your mom, we get that job, job,
and so basically y'all raising each other.

Speaker 3 (22:03):
Absolutely, you give you what I'm saying. How did the
loss of your dad and your brother impact you? Man tremendously?

Speaker 2 (22:09):
But at the same time, you know, and like I said,
I've been working on my documentary lately, really finishing finishing
it up.

Speaker 3 (22:15):
So I've been exploring these thoughts and doing a.

Speaker 2 (22:16):
Lot of self reflection lately because a lot of these
you know, emotions and the trauma that come along with
these experiences and these experience this out of experienced this
at the height of my When my father passed, it
was two three weeks after I dropped my debut project
Baby on Baby, you know what I'm saying, And my
first day of tour that's when I find out he passed.

Speaker 3 (22:34):
I fly in and lay him the rest and fly
out the same night, go right back on tour.

Speaker 2 (22:39):
You get what I'm saying, and go on to dedicate
an album that was number one, a number one album
Kirk dedicated to him.

Speaker 3 (22:47):
But I really and this is something I didn't just
notice why I self reflect them finishing up my documentary.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
But I always suppressed these emotions.

Speaker 3 (22:55):
You get what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (22:56):
I suppressed these feelings and distracting myself from them, you
know what i mean, and from the healing process by
just pouring putting that much more energy.

Speaker 3 (23:04):
Into my hustle.

Speaker 2 (23:05):
You get know what I'm saying and everything I had
going on, But that's unhealthy, you know what I mean.
That I end up becoming a ticking time waiting to
go out, you know what I mean. So you'll see
a certain situation where I go from zero to a hundred.
That's why I'm still you know what I.

Speaker 3 (23:18):
Mean, for what it been. The hell about my brother that,
you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (23:21):
Like, so that's it's completely unhealthy to deal with it
that waving on hindsight, I'm just not realizing that's the
way I went about dealing.

Speaker 3 (23:27):
With these things.

Speaker 2 (23:28):
And even furthermore, I realized I've been doing that my
whole life since a kid. You know what I mean,
A four year old ain't supposed to know how to
suppress the way they feel in order to survive.

Speaker 3 (23:40):
You know what I'm saying That ain't nothing for no kid.
You know what I mean. My oldest daughter six.

Speaker 2 (23:44):
I can't imagine her suppressing the way she feel in
order to feeling like she got to do that in
order to survive.

Speaker 3 (23:51):
You get what I'm saying, like, ain't no way. You
know what I'm saying like, ain't no way.

Speaker 2 (23:54):
But when I think about it, and I think about
the fact that, you know, the circumstances are by me,
you know everthing ultimately like, that's what that became, That
became something so natural to me at such an early
age and stuck with me all the way to you know,
me being a grown man.

Speaker 3 (24:12):
You know what I'm saying, grown man with kids and
just now you know, having to get parked.

Speaker 2 (24:16):
You know what I'm saying, Like on top of the
world in terms of okay, where I'm at, uh uh
and from where I'm at compared to where I came from,
right on top of the world, right, but God having
to pull that from pull that check from up under
me and park me, park my ass Like now hold on, bro,
you know, deal with what you got to deal with hell,
you get what I'm saying, and then move forward and
then see how much you know, how much further you

(24:39):
can move forward once you to finally quit. You know
what I mean, suppressing away because I'm better at it
than others. You get what I'm saying, Like I always
knew how to do that. I got other family members,
Like my brother is an example. You're like, you know
he it took him overboard, you know what I'm saying,
His experiences, his traumba, what have you took him overboard
the way he took his own life.

Speaker 3 (24:56):
You know what I'm saying with me?

Speaker 2 (24:57):
You know, everybody in good and suppressing it and and
you know, and got that hustle to where they hustle
keep them busy enough to stay distracted from it.

Speaker 3 (25:06):
Like I really still got.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
Real deal people that I'm responsible, you know for taking
care of them. My brother had both kids, Like I'm responsible.
It's a responsibility of minds, you know what I mean.
But who's to say that they able to suppress the
last thing I want them to do. It's grow used
to suppressing these emotions, knowing the possible negative outcome to that,
you know what I mean, later on in life.

Speaker 3 (25:28):
So you know, it's like I gotta be there. I can't.

Speaker 2 (25:30):
It's like I almost feel as if I don't got
time to hang my head or what have you. Then
I got this mission that I'm on. I was the
number one artist in the world, top streaming artists in
the world. Uh stop streaming rap artists in the world.
When my brother committed suicide. You did what I'm saying.
So I still got, you know, this responsibility to continue
to see this through and you know what I mean,

(25:51):
see it through and make sure it is what it
is and my people get what they're supposed to get
from it, and we all get what we're supposed to
get from it, you know what I'm saying. So it's like,
you know, I'm I'm the head. I'm the head of
the family, you know what I mean. And it's it's
it's almost like, you know, it take real deal experiences,
and it takes time to self reflect and and you know,
and it take experiences like me, you know, going through

(26:12):
what I done went through over the past couple of
years career wise, in order to a quit using this
to run from what you got going on. I'm really
running I'm calling it suppressing it. One'mna call it strong. Boy,
I don't know how you do it. I don't know
how you do it. Bro, you the strongest, but I
don't know how you do it. I don't know how
you do it. I really ain't strong. That's really a weakness.
I'm really running from it.

Speaker 3 (26:31):
You know what I mean? Strength is, and this is all.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
Stuff I just not came to realization about strength is
dealing with the head on, healing from it and moving
forward from it.

Speaker 3 (26:39):
That's a that's a displayed strength. You get what I'm saying.
Running from it some impressident.

Speaker 2 (26:43):
You did what I'm saying, the running from it, suppressing it,
You ain't really overcoming it.

Speaker 3 (26:46):
That's still something that's there. You run it. While I'm
out here, You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (26:50):
They look like, boy, he's strong, he doing this, he's
still holding down, he's still about it.

Speaker 3 (26:53):
But boy, when the.

Speaker 2 (26:54):
Cameras go off on by myself, I'm I'm messed up
out here. You get what I'm saying, Like, I ain't
got nothing mindful when I get along by myself and
all of that. You know, I can say all of
that and go back to the very beginning, like me,
you know, understanding and feeling like from the jump I
was a kid feeling like my purpose was to do
for others and the sacrifice for others.

Speaker 3 (27:12):
You know what I'm saying, That's just always been me.

Speaker 2 (27:14):
So I guess that's what made it feel okay, But
on hindsight, it ain't.

Speaker 3 (27:18):
You know what I mean, It ain't.

Speaker 1 (27:19):
You said your brother took his own life because you
felt that he wasn't love He felt like he wasn't
loved you.

Speaker 3 (27:26):
Did he have you?

Speaker 1 (27:27):
Did he show any signs that something might be going
on in his life that you didn't know about?

Speaker 2 (27:33):
Always always since you know, since JITs like always, you
know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (27:39):
That's that's that's really like kind of been.

Speaker 2 (27:41):
And to put it into perspective, like you know, I
talk about traumatic experiences and you know, a crazy environment
in terms of upbringing and all that, and none of
this is the discredit the phenomenal job my superhero over Mama.
Did she held it down? You get what I'm saying,
the right thing by her damn self. None of this
is the discredit that But she can't save it us

(28:01):
from everything. And that's something I mentioned in that verse
on that Kanye's song. Yeah, you know what I mean.
She too busy working to protect us from all the elements.
You know, it's still up to us as an individual
to navigate through it as best as possible, you know
what I'm saying. But definitely like it was always more
and the experiences that I remember is being traumatic and
that I could look at on hindsight, it's shaping me
to be the person that I am today.

Speaker 3 (28:22):
And this is the reason why I go about this.

Speaker 2 (28:24):
And Okay, think about the feelings I say I got
to suppressed as as a four year old. It's from
the understanding of a four year old. He was nine,
you get what I'm saying. So it is told so
what I had to suppress at eight, he was thirteen.
And there's some very real stuff I'm talking about, you
know what I mean. My documentary gonna really show it
always gonna get a world a completely different understanding of
who I am as a person and how resilient I

(28:46):
didn't just been blessed enough to be, but like, you know,
the experiences I.

Speaker 3 (28:51):
Had and I remember, it's being traumatic.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
He understood them from from you know, a completely different
perspective of perspective that was five years older and more
knowledgeable than what I was.

Speaker 3 (29:01):
And who's to say what he was exposed to that
I wasn't.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
You know, I'm still the baby, so a lot of time,
you know, I can't be left alone with these niggas
he can, right And not only that, I'm the one
out of the three siblings who who Daddy is present?
You get what I'm saying right present, you know, even
if it is from a long distance. You know what
I'm saying, Like the present, I go with him for
the summer. I got somebody putting something on my mind.
He got our drunk crackhead uncles, the ones he gotta

(29:26):
look up, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (29:27):
This and that, so you know our uncles. Did Robs
do this? Do that? I think it made him feel
some type of way.

Speaker 2 (29:33):
Absolutely, that's a thing. That's a very real thing, bro,
you know what I mean. Absolutely, So it get deep,
you know what I mean. And this is something that's
apparent in households all over the world, and you know
what I'm saying, And it's something that it should be
tended to and you know, people should pay attention to
it because it's so many different factors that affect the
way a person's mind develops and how they grow to love,
how they grow to receive love, how they grow to

(29:55):
identify what love is. You get what I'm saying and
what it ain't. You know, that's a very real thing
that I feel like need to be tended to and
ultimately like that's what this what this documentary was working
on and ended up being shaped into. It's like a
mental health awareness piece of something that's just so healthy.
I feel like like my purpose. I feel like this
is gonna be my greatest contribution. You know what I
mean to the world to this date, You know what

(30:16):
I mean, besides my beautiful kids, It's gonna be you
know what I mean, my greatest contribution. You know what
I mean to the world to this date. I feel
like this is gonna save millions of lives, not even thousands.
It's this, this documentary, is this them. It's gonna save
millions of lives because it's these things. It's not a
household in the world that this, this project is not
gonna be able to touch on.

Speaker 3 (30:37):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (30:38):
You you you mentioned when you went through what you
meant went through fifty cent was there? How did he
help you deal with the adversity that you were going
through because you were at the apex of your career
You're talking about four hundred thousand, four hundred easy.

Speaker 3 (30:55):
All the four hundred bands of show calendar look like
it got tattooed on every day. You couldn't even book
me for that year. This happened when July I would
book till January and.

Speaker 2 (31:09):
We wouldn't taking no dates after the end. It's like,
y'all got a hold on. We might be We're gonna
be getting a million a show by that time. We
need we ain't fooling with y'all. I'll call us in January.

Speaker 3 (31:17):
It was like that.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
But uh, most importantly, man, the the most important thing
being uh, he wouldn't He wasn't ashamed.

Speaker 3 (31:27):
Of wrapping his arm around me.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
You get what I'm saying, right, And not only that, Like,
I feel like what hit home the most was him
being a person who who then had controversial experiences throughout
his career and and being able He's a person that
was able to navigate through them, yes and get on
the other end. Of it that them them three factors
alone was enough for a person like me. I only
need one of them three factors to you know what

(31:49):
I'm saying, I'm feeling debt to anybody to do for
me in any way, big or smile. That's how I rock,
You know what I'm saying. But Nah, he a real
solid dude. Man, really put his arm around and really
put any opportunity in front of me that he could
put in front.

Speaker 3 (32:02):
Of me, and didn't care about how it affected him.

Speaker 2 (32:04):
You get what I'm saying, a lot of people that
I didn't help, that I didn't been a major part
of what they got going on. But because what I
got going on right now can potentially affect what they
got going right right right, idn't they pick up the
phone to call you?

Speaker 3 (32:16):
But they don't do it publicly.

Speaker 2 (32:17):
I done went from a liability, I mean from an asset,
from the biggest asset they'd never had, to a liability.

Speaker 3 (32:24):
I see completely different people. You get what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (32:26):
That was never the case with him, and he's still
nothing the game. He's still nothing the game. A lot
of these's people to gain from me directly, you get
or have already gained from He's never he stood nothing
the game, you know what I mean the entire time
even to this day, you're going through what you're going through.
Kanye West brought you out him too. That's another one
was thirty Just like that quick.

Speaker 3 (32:46):
Kanye lost a billion.

Speaker 1 (32:49):
When you have conversation, what's those conversations like, because he's
going you went through what you went through. He's going
through what he went through. Yeah, so what what's the
conversation Like? Damn man, wept up.

Speaker 2 (33:01):
With O like the how I lead off the conversation.
Of course with Fitty is more the conversations they more
they was more uh strategic, more controlled, you know what
I mean. I done did this before my boy Kanye.
It's war with him. He my boy. He don't get
it with Kanye, that's really him now he ain't putting

(33:22):
on no, that ain't no beside that's really him. With him,
it's more so like you know, like he fed up
with this with the way it goes, you know what
I mean, Like he you know, it got him mad.

Speaker 3 (33:32):
The way they're doing. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
Same thing with fifty that too, but with Kanye is
more like respond to it like this. With fifty is
more like more like, you know, it's like this like
this that it's like, you know what I mean? Then
then you be good.

Speaker 3 (33:46):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (33:47):
With Kanye is more like, nah, you know what I'm saying,
both with my language, you know what I'm saying, Like,
I'm kind of like the hybrid between both of them,
both of them different methods, you know what I'm saying.
But but that definitely that's the difference in the conversation
between the two.

Speaker 1 (34:02):
When I you signed the Rock Nation to a distribution deal,
what was that experience like? So when you go into
a deal, I mean, are you like, okay, I eventually
I'm gonna want to do my own thing and I'm
gonna probably so I need to like pay very very
close attention to every single thing that they do.

Speaker 3 (34:22):
That's something they ain't even had light shit on it.

Speaker 2 (34:24):
Defect A lot of people don't know that I was
signing the Rock Nation on a distribution deal early on.
This is before it's like what twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen,
verst ever of twenty eighteen, But really it was more
so like I didn't even really have a strategy.

Speaker 3 (34:37):
In turn, I did.

Speaker 2 (34:38):
I definitely had a strategy in terms of how I
wanted to market myself as an artist where I wanted
to go, But it was still just a distribution deal,
you get what I'm saying. So it's like, and that's
on hindsight, like this the way you know labels work
right now, it ain't their job to turn you into
it to make people love you.

Speaker 3 (34:53):
Now it's once people do want you.

Speaker 2 (34:55):
You got enough people to love you, it's they job to,
you know what I'm saying, put you in the right
places and just and just exemptly it's their job to
pour gas on the fire. You get what I'm saying.
Dan ain't really see that light or sparking, you know
what I'm saying. And knew that they ain't really see
the little the little candle lit, and they ain't knock
the candle over and let it and let it you
know what i mean, ignite, ignite a wild far. They

(35:16):
ain't really let it do that, you know what I'm saying.
That solid was and then the terms of the deal
had ended. You give what I'm saying that the time
period of the deal, it had ended. And then that's
when her I dropped blank blank, and then it.

Speaker 3 (35:26):
Was a bed in war. It was instantly a bed
war for me.

Speaker 1 (35:30):
Did you see where jay Z and Beyonce's daughter Blue
Ivy introduced her salon son to ju your song shake something.

Speaker 3 (35:38):
Yeah, I saw that. I did see that, you know
what I mean.

Speaker 2 (35:39):
I ain't know how true it was or not, you
know what I'm saying, But I feel like, you know,
if it comes from in the house, you know it's
it's validated.

Speaker 3 (35:46):
But that's dope. And don't surprise me.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
I actually met Beyonce before that was one of the
people people be like who you even met?

Speaker 3 (35:50):
You know what I'm saying that, Like it threw you out,
like it took you back, like you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (35:54):
Beyond she she I was at the party at did
It Crib and in La this was this was this
was the beginning of twenty twenty, you know what I mean?
And did he have he had put everybody else out
the crib like the influx of people he had put
him out, But he had he had uh, he had

(36:15):
took a liking to me in particular around the time. Man,
it was really you know what I mean, like putting
his arm around me, So he had put majority of
the people out, but he likewed me to stay in there.
Me and you know, maybe about maybe about fifteen others,
you know, jay Z and Beyonce being you know, two
of the of the other other fifteen people in the room.

(36:35):
So that just put into perspective of the type of
company I was in right.

Speaker 3 (36:38):
At the moment, you know.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
And she came over and introduced herself to me, like
as if she had to Beyonce cut it out.

Speaker 3 (36:44):
But I'm a big fan of your work, you know
what I'm saying. Whoop?

Speaker 2 (36:46):
And that was just dope. That was dope as hell
of me, man, that was that was dope. That was
super dope.

Speaker 1 (36:51):
What's some of the best cities that you tore it in?
You've been all over the world.

Speaker 3 (36:57):
Best cities I tour it in?

Speaker 2 (36:59):
Do you like touring the best of it is? I
like touring then? Oh man, I haven't been a lot
of places. Who who energy do? I just love as
a city altogether, Dallas is Dallas.

Speaker 3 (37:15):
Is a market. It's like you know what I mean,
Dallas is different. Man. I always love Dallas, and I
gotta say Dallas.

Speaker 2 (37:21):
I gotta start with them because just early on Dallas,
one of the markets that like, they all about having
a good time. You were artists to know how to
you know what I mean, you have a good time
this and there, Like Dallas is gonna take a liking
to you early and when they and when they love you,
they love you. They don't care about no Dallas. It's
a world of its own. I love Dallas, oh Man.
I got a lot of strong markets, man, I got

(37:42):
a lot of strong markets.

Speaker 3 (37:44):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (37:45):
You like going overseas? I love overseas. I was trying
to keep it domestic overseas for sure. Anything overseas they
go crazy. They don't even speak your language, they can't
they but they.

Speaker 3 (37:54):
Figured everywhere you're doing.

Speaker 2 (37:55):
But ever word, every word of the soul man that
always chriped me out. Man, I go overseas, they be
waiting in the airport twenty thirty deep down there, chasing
us to the car you get.

Speaker 3 (38:04):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (38:05):
And it's all good energy, It's all good. They treating
them like Michael Jordan over there.

Speaker 1 (38:09):
Robab looking at your twenty nineteen double XLF freshman class.
You gonna med cor Day, Roddy Ridge, blue facey K
good company.

Speaker 3 (38:18):
Rom y'all got a yeah we will, Yeah, yeah we
were something. We were put together.

Speaker 1 (38:26):
I know you've been paying attention because it's right next
to your Atlanta Little Hop Skipping and Jump and Charlotte
three hours, right, and you see what's going on. They said,
now we can use the lyrics that you rap about
against you. Does that take away some of the creativity?
What are your thoughts on that?

Speaker 3 (38:43):
I mean me personally, I don't. I don't.

Speaker 2 (38:47):
I ain't rapping by too many real life experiences. I
ain't rapping about no real life experiences. Dicky, then ain't
handled and yeah that's been open. Wait yeah yeah not
me so lot, that's over.

Speaker 3 (38:57):
That's all.

Speaker 2 (38:58):
I ain't got that problem. I ain't worried about that.
I think about it all I get to say, I'll
take it right out. Delete that at least that running back.
Ain't no way, like I know what I can and can't.
You know, I operate on that level, and I'm pretty
sure other artists do too. I'm pretty sure a lot
of a lot of the lyrics that they probably do
planning on using.

Speaker 3 (39:14):
You know, they won't be able to hold up. Man.

Speaker 2 (39:16):
Thugs smarter than that. You know that's that's a smart man,
you know what I'm saying, A good real good dude too.

Speaker 3 (39:21):
Man.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
I hope to see him come out on the on
the good end of that for show, for the show.
But definitely though that ain't something that ain't no problem
Mama ever have because I ain't even gonna be playing
like that now. Now I got some lyrics, you could
probably definitely use the paint of negative picture, and I
think it given the ability to do that. But at
the same time, you know, it's also it's also you know,
it's also taking away they constitutional rights at the same time,

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so they make and make a person asks you know
what kind.

Speaker 3 (39:45):
Of game were playing? You know, right, what kind of
game were playing? I saw a tweet that said, you
have a one point GPA.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
You said, that's the biggest lie of if I called
my mom about that shild break your phone. I ain't
never even I ain't ever had an f in my life.
You got whatever else to get at one point, I
ain't never had a D right, never had a d
But you colle college, Yeah, like three years, I ain't
getting no d up.

Speaker 3 (40:07):
I never had no one play you so close to graduate?
What what happened. That wasn't for me, man, I was after
three years. It wasn't for you. It's normally after a
quarter or some master, not three year man.

Speaker 2 (40:18):
And then you know, and like I say, I asked
questions like I was still undecided too. I never told
you I ain't want to be nothing, but none of
it special enough. I knew I was special. I'm like, nah,
I ain't really nothing.

Speaker 3 (40:28):
I went to.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
School because that's what my Mamaune wanted me to do.
I did make, yeah, to make make my parents proud,
for sure, that's what that was. Because it's easy, like
I said, like I touched on it quickly early. But
I always sailing the school like school was always easy
to me, Like I don't school was always easy to me.

Speaker 3 (40:44):
I always like that, ain't really about nothing like English class.

Speaker 2 (40:47):
If it's a ten page paper, people been working on
this paper the whole quarter, the whole semester.

Speaker 3 (40:51):
I'm doing it the night before.

Speaker 2 (40:54):
I'm not even gigging about it till the night before,
and I'm gonna I dine did that night before and
got a hundred on a paper. Befo you get what
I'm saying, Like I don't you know the academics. That
ain't never really been something I didn't. I didn't ever
even felt like it was cool to play around. But
it's too easy, right, It's too easy, you know.

Speaker 3 (41:09):
What im saying. I'm trying to gonna get this over with.
You know what I'm saying. Were you a party in school?
Was that? What? A partier? A party? In what? College? Yeah?
Oh yeah, I already know how to have some fun.
I know how to have some fun in college. But
you know you ain't up being around there that many
things before ever. See what I'm saying, I say captains persually.
I was in a good door. My dorm had both.
Oh you got a co head co ed that was

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called co ed.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
The nice one. Well you know I you know I
had that on lock. I can't even lie to you.
I had my way in there. I'm bad. I put
the fox in the head. Best friends, they best friends
their whole life. They done fell out. I feel bad.

Speaker 3 (41:47):
About the coming seas.

Speaker 2 (41:48):
I'm like, damn, bet y'all mamas know each other, they
the sun all come on.

Speaker 3 (41:54):
I'm gonna going what they want.

Speaker 2 (41:58):
To back those susanie, what you what you and I'm
not doing now? I ain't got hey. I guess it's
your turn.

Speaker 3 (42:07):
You me, it is what it is. I ain't got hey.

Speaker 2 (42:09):
Look, hey, look I'm up here on this this a
hour into me. This ain't And I went to a
real university, bro, like I went to.

Speaker 3 (42:16):
I went to UNCG. That ain't even like no HB
North Carolina A and T.

Speaker 2 (42:20):
You know what I mean, one of the most. The
problem is not even one of the most. That's the
one HBCU in North Carolina. It's right up the street.
I went this route, you know what I'm saying, And
that going to show you to like I always excelled academic.

Speaker 3 (42:31):
You can't even get it. You can't just go to
you and CG.

Speaker 2 (42:34):
It don't work like that, you know what I'm saying.
But like, yeah, so I'm I'm walking through. I'm the
only one looked like me.

Speaker 3 (42:40):
Kids reading they in the trees, laying down reading books.

Speaker 2 (42:43):
I'm like, but what the hell going on? You know
what's going on up here? It ain't really nobody like
me here. So y'all was up there, man, I ain't
really have it to my I ain't had too much
to do, so you know, I ended up getting done.

Speaker 1 (42:55):
Public relations would you update publicly again, Hell no, why
for what?

Speaker 3 (43:02):
For what?

Speaker 2 (43:03):
But this is the thing though, like with me, Yeah, nah,
I wouldn't. I wouldn't, But at the same time, it's
almost like I don't. I don't even think I got
the luxury de side, whether or not not, would I
ever take it the problem myself to put my business
out there or allow myself or be okay with them
with somebody else, you know what I mean? Going about
our situation as if it's a public Nah, I'm cool
on that. They're nothing done. That that ain't about nothing, right, Yeah,

(43:25):
that ain't about nothing. That ain't that ain't for no relationship.
That's that's called public relations, right You in relations with
the public, not the person. So if you feel me
you got it's too much, like too many factors to
go along with that.

Speaker 3 (43:35):
But I'm cool.

Speaker 1 (43:36):
You once said that you wanted to retire in twenty
twenty five. You're still cool.

Speaker 2 (43:39):
On that day you said I wanted to retire at
age thirty, and that's crazy. That's when I got canceled. Yeah,
I said I'm stopping at thirty. I used to always
say that, like I'm stopping at thirty. I used to
say I used to say, you're not trying about twenty five.
I turned twenty five. I wasn't dead, Thank you God.
I wasn't dead, and I wasn't rich yet either. I
got rich about twenty selves and yeah, you know, and

(44:02):
I was able to accomplish so much within within like
the first year and a half of my career, even
though before that the groundwork I.

Speaker 3 (44:08):
Laid it took several years.

Speaker 2 (44:09):
Like a lot of people think, I heard a lot
some people speak on and ask me questions. It's all
you think I'm one of them, popped up out of nowhere.
But I was walking around giving out CDs like you
get what I'm saying. I took my money from the
streets and went bought posters and CDs and flyers like
I really, you know, I really brought myself, you know,
down to the to the ground level. I really put
my feet to the streets and really got out here

(44:30):
in Earntlind You know what I'm saying. But you know,
but that that just further prepared me and just build
the foundation strowing up for me to be able to
the hit the ground running when I did crossover in
the mainstream music business.

Speaker 3 (44:44):
You know what I mean, what's next with the baby?

Speaker 2 (44:47):
This documentary, it's, you know, groundbreaking, this documentary.

Speaker 3 (44:51):
So the documentary is in front of albums right now.

Speaker 2 (44:53):
Absolutely, the next album gonna come with the documentary.

Speaker 3 (44:57):
You know what I'm saying, like right on ere, I
don't know. I'm trying not to say too much.

Speaker 2 (45:02):
It's gonna be docuseries and we're gonna put that out
there and I'm gonna come with that. I'm gonna come
with that with that season finale, with that, with that
finale from the docuseries.

Speaker 3 (45:11):
The album gonna come with that, with that last one.
I'm gonna get you out of here. On Bess.

Speaker 1 (45:15):
If you could go back and do any part of
your career over again, what would it be?

Speaker 3 (45:23):
What would you change? Nothing? I wouldn't change that's a lie.
Let mean me, you wouldn't take them too many back
on that stage. I would have told Rolling Loud, I
missed my flight.

Speaker 1 (45:37):
We finished seeing you out the money back, I missed
my flight, boy.

Speaker 2 (45:40):
I swear the boy. Look you know I love y'all.
Bro Hey, what's my boy name? Uh? What's my boy's name?
Man from Rolling Loud? Man, what's their name?

Speaker 3 (45:49):
Bro? To is it Terri, Tyrek, that's how you pronounce it.
Look tyre, bro. Look boy, the plane broke down. Bro.
They say they it's maintenance. They say it's maintenance. Bro.
I can't make it, you know what I mean? I
do that definitely. Other than that, though, Man, you know,
you live and you learn, man, I and you know
I would your like be if that moment hadn't happened.
I mean, I mean, sure that happened two years ago.

(46:15):
It was already it was. Man, we got to go up,
I promise you.

Speaker 2 (46:19):
But it's all good because you know, on hindsight, like
a lot of the points I was touching on earlier,
like the way that parked me right and kept me
from taking off running and utilizing my hustle to just
distract myself and keep my mind and keep my my
spirit and my body occupied.

Speaker 3 (46:35):
Right. Who is to say like where I would be
you know what I mean, mentally and spiritual? You know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (46:41):
Had I not you know, been forced to sit my
ass down to self reflect, because I still didn't sit
down even you know what I mean when it took place.

Speaker 3 (46:48):
I'm fighting it.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
I'm fighting and I'm fighting Hell nah, that ain't what
it is that ain't what it is I'm telling you
all that ain't fighting and fighting and fighting it it
took for that to k not god like uh uh yeah,
because I'm a good fighter.

Speaker 3 (46:58):
You a good fighter.

Speaker 2 (46:59):
On hure, it looked like you about to get about
of that situa ass down, you know what I'm saying.
You know, it takes for that for me to you know,
really get to a point the way. Okay, I'm I'm
I'm comfortable within my situation and with the results that
I got.

Speaker 3 (47:10):
And now let me explore, Okay, what took place to
get me here?

Speaker 2 (47:14):
Okay, Now let me explore, Okay, what shaped me to
be the type of person that that I am to
even put me into this situation and caused me to,
you know, go about the situation. I went about it,
and you know it got me, I guess I Lately
since I've been since I've been doing way more writing
and self reflecting, working on what I'm working on. I'm
I'm so fulfilled as a person. I got such a
better understanding on who I am as a person and

(47:36):
how my upbringing in different factors and elements of my
life on the way up shape me to be this person.

Speaker 3 (47:42):
You get what I'm saying, and I got the knowledge of.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
Okay, how to do better with these situations and do
better with with you know, these emotions and traumatic experiences
of what have you pain, traumba or whatever. How to
do better with it and move forward in a much
healthier and better manner.

Speaker 3 (47:56):
You know what I mean, because I ain't tripping.

Speaker 2 (47:57):
I had a conversation with somebody was talking to earlier
today and I'm like, really, bro, I'm really in the
space to work, Like because even when I was getting
what I was getting the show, had what I had
in the bank this and that I wasn't happy as
a person.

Speaker 3 (48:09):
You give you what I'm saying. And I'm like right now,
like I'm not chirpping, Like I'm.

Speaker 2 (48:12):
Okay with I'm okay with with not making another dollar
for the rest of this year.

Speaker 3 (48:17):
That's a lie, No I'm not.

Speaker 2 (48:19):
But it's like this, like if I'm okay with doing
that to finish seeing this project through to the finish line,
because that's way more fulfilling and healthy for me as
a person and for millions of people around the world.
And before the man's the people, the people directly affected
by the same shit that I'm packaging within this story

(48:40):
my family, you know what I'm saying, Like that needs
to be laid out for My story got to be
told the correct way in order for people to even begin,
before they can begin to bob their head to another
song and fall in love with me as an artist
or as a person, period, they need to really understand, Okay,
who is this who is this guy?

Speaker 3 (48:56):
You get what I'm saying, and what made him this way? Okay?

Speaker 2 (48:59):
And how can some of the things he's been able
to experience, how can we learn from his mistakes, you
know what I'm saying, and just move forward in a
healthier way. That's what I got going on right now.
So I kind of don't I don't regret anything, man,
that I have been through, and it it feels so
good to really be able to say that and meaning
you know what I mean. I probably said that before,
but I ain't really meaning. It's like, boy, I wish

(49:21):
I had my two hundred million y'all, y'all rib me.
You give what I'm saying. I don't feel like that,
you know what I'm saying. I don't feel like that.
I really feel like I really feel like that's a
blessing in disguise at this point in my life.

Speaker 3 (49:33):
I just kept at that realization over like the past
two weeks.

Speaker 2 (49:35):
I really feel like I needed that season that I
didn't have to endure.

Speaker 3 (49:39):
You know what I'm saying. I feel like I needed that.

Speaker 2 (49:41):
And that's what's gonna make me, you know, be way
way more happy of a person, way more you know,
that makes me that much more of a man for
the remainder of.

Speaker 3 (49:50):
My life, because I'm gonna live longer than I and
already lived. You see what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (49:54):
It's just you know, that's just that that's men of
skull compared to the things I have been able to
deal with, you know what I'm saying, saying and in.

Speaker 3 (50:01):
Some of the things that I'm gonna have to deal
with in the future.

Speaker 2 (50:03):
But guess what, I'm moving forward with the knowledge and
the wisdom to know how to navigate through it the
correct way as opposed to suppressing and and you know,
and sweeping you know, how I'm feeling and how it's
affected me, because ultimately sweeping it under the rug, because
ultimately that's gonna affect what I put out into the world.
You get what I'm saying, there's a lot of people
sitting there waiting for what I got to put out, You.

Speaker 3 (50:22):
Know what I mean, And it's my duty to do
right by that.

Speaker 2 (50:24):
You know what I'm saying. That's way more fulfilling than
any amount of money. I ain't tripped I had. I
didn't have more money than I knew what to do
with right literally, like I've had it. You get what
I'm saying, And I ain't. I'm not tripping on that,
you know what I'm saying. My most fulfilling, the most
fulfilling purchases I had, I really couldn't even I sat
here and thought it, but I got I had seventeen
seventeen cars. I ain't mentioned no crime. And what I

(50:47):
said was my best purchase was reinvesting in myself. You
get what I'm saying, Like, you know, I that's my
That's what I feel like is the best thing I
had to spend my money on to. That just goes
to say like those were the time I was most fulfilled.
When I was just you know, living within my purpose.
You know what I'm saying, That's when I'm most filed.
That's why I find the most joy and comfort that man.

(51:07):
That's what helped me look in the mirror and say, boy,
you that nigga, I look in the mirror.

Speaker 3 (51:11):
You know what I mean. That's what it's about with me.

Speaker 2 (51:12):
So I don't really, I wouldn't do I wouldn't do
nothing different except for say, it's making his issues on this.

Speaker 3 (51:17):
Plane, I can't make it show. But other than that, man,
it's all good. Man.

Speaker 2 (51:24):
I love the space I'm in, not as not as
an artist or career wise too, as much bigger than
I love the space I'm in as a person.

Speaker 3 (51:31):
And I'm seeing it.

Speaker 2 (51:33):
I'm seeing it attract everything I've been fighting to get,
you know what i mean, fighting to get back to
and I'm seeing it attracted.

Speaker 3 (51:40):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (51:41):
And I'm tenfold. It's attracting it tenfold. It's everything coming
at me right on time. You get what I'm saying,
and awaited I can navigate through it the way. This
this best for me, you know what I'm saying. And
that's that's the biggest blessing of all.

Speaker 3 (51:54):
Right now, man, continue success.

Speaker 1 (51:56):
I appreciate the best in the twenty three and then
the twenty four api to.

Speaker 3 (52:00):
Time, you know, I appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (52:01):
The baby, all my life, grinding all my life, sacrifice,
hustle pay the price. Wanta Slice got to brow the dice,
swap all my life. I've been grinding all my life.
Look all my life and grinding all my life sacrifice,
Hustle pay the price. Wanta Slice got to brow the dice,

(52:22):
the swap all my life. I've been grinding all my life.