September 12, 2025 • 60 mins
Join NFL Legends James "Deebo" Harrison and Joe Haden as they react to Thursday Night Football where Jordan Love and the Green Bay Packers defeated Jayden Daniels and the Washington Commanders 27-18. Later, Deebo & Joe react to the mews that San Francisco 49ers QB Brock Purdy will miss 2-5 weeks with a toe injury, and much more news ahead of Week 2 of the NFL season!
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Welcome back to the Debo and Joe's Show. I'm your host,
shame Deebo Harrison, and I'm here with my co host,
Joe Hayden. Make sure you guys like and subscribe to
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there and it ain't no flim flamsey fluked going on steam,
no schemes at all. Baby, How you do doing good? Brother?
Speaker 2 (00:45):
How you man?
Speaker 1 (00:47):
You know I'm doing good man. Blessed to see another day?
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Love love it. We had some great, great football obviously, Yes,
for sure.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
We gonna start off with the Packers. I mean Thursday
night game. That's that's That's the only thing I might
watch anything. They can talk about, no question, the Packers.
The Packers beat the Commanders twenty seven to eighteen. Dude
Green Bay moves to two and zher. The Packers have
now beaten two NFC contenders in back to back weeks.
But the Packers defense only gave up two hundred and
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thirty yards of total fucking offense today were strapping hey
last listen. Last week they only gave up two hundred
and forty six to Detroit. So these boys doing things.
This is the first time the Packers have allowed fewer
than two hundred and fifty yards across the first two
games of a season since nineteen ninety five. Tucker Tucker,
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My dude, Tucker Kraft one hundred and twenty four yards. Dude,
it's the most receiving yards. It's the most receiving yards
by a Packer tight end since Richard Rogers. In Week
thirteen of two thoy fifteen at Detroit the game dub
the miracle in Motown Hell Mary Games Love. Of course,
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Jordan Love was doing this thing, dude. He was actually
nine or fifteen for one hundred and seventy five yards
against them when they blitzed him. Dude, with two tugs
like on throws of ten yards or more. Against the blitz,
Love was six or eight for one hundred and forty
four yards and a tudy, A nice tuddy dude. We
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had some bad news, of course at the end. I
had a couple of guys get injured, you know, through
the process of the game. Scheffner reported that the Commanders
believe veteran running back Austin Eckler did in fact Terry's
achilles last night. He's scheduled to undergo an MRI imaging
for today. Also, the Jaden the receiver for the package
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of Jayden Reid. Yeah, he suffered a fracture of Cayler
bonhom So he's he's out. He's headed to IR. A
thing I want to ask you a question. We're where
do you see the ceiling? What? Actually two questions, Where
do you see the ceiling for the Packers as you
look at it right now? And what is your take
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on what's causing all these achilles injuries? Man?
Speaker 2 (03:14):
First of all, I'm gonna do my take on these
Packers because that game was a great game. It was amazing.
Jordan Love was balling, and it wasn't just Jordan Love,
it was Josh Jacobs. Josh Jacobs. I forgot that they
had one of the best running backs in the league. Also,
so having Jordan Love not having to depend on him
as much, having that great running game, and at the
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end of the day, Jordan Love isn't a checkdown guy.
He's not just dunk dunking and duncan. He's throwing bombs.
That one that he almost had to go in the
rookie from Texas that was streaking the four to two guy,
he missed him by the fingertips, and then the next
play they throw. The next play another bomb down the
left hand sideline where he twinkled told it on the sideline.
So it's not just like he's like doing a little
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catching runs. He's throwing balls down the field. The running
game is amazing. And then it's not just offense, debo,
it's defense. And it's not just Michael Parsons who's balling.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
This is great, dude. I've seen like three or four
times where they had three people blocking this dude.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
He's creating other opportunities for other d linemen because he's
getting pressure, he's getting stunned on. People have eyes on him,
and it's getting people ones wring your one on one there.
He's people are winning because of him. And then also,
my good man, I'm gonna say Kia Shawn Nixon, the
cornerback for the green Bay Packers. Not only are they
balling on the front level, getting after the quarterback in
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the back end, he had five price breakups, breakup in
the fourth the on fourth down. He's just being very
very ball just being aware of the ball, getting after
the rock Love seeing that they're balling on every single level.
So green Bay, their ceiling for me is very high.
Their ceiling for Jordan Love is very high. I think
they can go. They can go in the playoffs. They
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can they can challenge any team. They can work. Where's
your ceiling? You're saying super Bowl, You're saying, what are
you saying? I think they can definitely go to the
NFC Championship. Like I don't. I don't see why not.
I think with them, I mean because we looked at
the NFC quarterbacks. We got Jalen Hurts, we got Dak Prescott,
we got Baker Mayfield, and then I'm thinking about Jordan Love.
Like the end of the day, it would be Eagles
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and they would have to contest against green Bay. I
don't think that Green Bay is scared of the Eagles.
I think that there's somebody they have to go against,
and I think they will be the Eagles, and it's
looking like Green Bay and they're gonna go against each other,
and the defense is playing like this, and the offense
with the running game, with Jordan Love being able to
throw the ball this way and with Jacobs being able
to toe the rock, I don't see how they couldn't
beat the Eagles. So, I mean, it looked great on
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from my perspective. How do you think it looked, debub.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
I think it looked great. But you know I would
I would go NFC Championship game. I would go that far.
I wouldn't. I wouldn't jump ahead to Super Bowl. The
only reason I wouldn't jump ahead the Super Bowl is
because you know they just played Washington. Washington beat the
twenty one to six, so you know, the Giants aren't
really uh you know that that team that you would
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actually look at to measure it against. And of course
you know you got the Lions right now. I want
to see if that was just you know, if the
Lions are still the Lions that they were actually or
is it right? Or is it or is it a
new Lions? And then you got the Lions they're playing
you know, Chicago this week. But again, you know, Chicago
came out hot in the first quarter. They look they
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look great, and then they twinkled and twizzled out. So
you know, I don't think that gives me a good
feel of, you know, where they really are. I think
if the Lions go out there and just totally dominate Chicago,
I think, you know, that would make me feel better
about saying, you know, the ceiling is super Bowl for
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green Bay, because I think that's what green Bay would
you know, do to Chicago. But you know, right now,
I'm just going to say, I see the ceiling right now,
I'm just saying, the last time I.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Seen you best is your last game. You best is
your last performance. I'm going to say from what I
last seen and when I last seen the Eagles play,
I mean they won the game. They got out of
the stadium would win. It didn't look too good, but
you know they won the game. When I see Green
Bailey the stadium, I think that team played well. I
think they played better. And I'm not saying that they're
just a better team or whatever, but offensive wise, defensive wise,
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the way that they're moving the ball, the whether they're
stopping to run the way that they're making plays in
the back end. I kind of just liked that team.
If I was just looking at nobody had any different
If they had no names on their jerseys and you
just looked at each team played two games, I would say, Oh,
the Packers team, that team over there, Team B is
better than team had.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Oh yeah, for sure. I mean that's that's a that's
it's easy. That's an easy get, you know, to my
to my other part, what do you what do you
think is the cause of all these.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Aches that we were I don't know, debo, because it's
non contact and you know those are the work like
when you see somebody jumping in about the burst and
just make that plant and then it just goes and
you just see it happen. I don't know particularly why
people's achilles are going like that. I didn't have I
never have. I was fortunate I never have an achilles tear.
(08:14):
But I don't know why they seem to go. Do
you think it's like more they're not just the like
you said, the practice, we're not doing things full speed
as much, and then all of a sudden we're actual players.
To just you gotta go.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
You gotta go.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
You gotta be getting ready, you gotta be able to
start moving, and not doing that in training camp or
not doing that as much in the off season, maybe
they're not their body's not ready to just respond.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Okay, Yeah, I think it's a combination of three things.
If you look at the National Institute of Health, they
did a study, I guess between nineteen eighty and two
thousand and one, it was an average of four Achilles
roasters per season. When you go ninety seven to two thousand,
it was an average of five per season. You go
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to two thousand and nine to sixteen, it jumps up
is fourteen per season, and in twenty three it was
twenty two Achilles STAPs. So so so for me, the
thing I see is change the surface. You have it.
You have a change of surface. It's a lot more
teams playing on turf.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
That's you know.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
I think that's that's an adding gives yes, grass is better.
And then the second thing is is training. Dude, I
don't I don't think guys are training the same way
or training as hard as they used to, especially with
it being the changes in the collective bargaining Agreement. But
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then even training, you know, when you're out there in
the off season, you know you need to do training
that puts that kind of you know, repetitive pressure, like
on your achilles. So the thing that we do, or
my trainer likes to do is sled pushes, like heavy pushes.
I'm putting you know, I'm putting that pressure on that achilles.
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It's getting you know, people like James, why are you
trying to push? Why are you're pushing two thousand pounds. Well,
I'm not just pushing it just to show off. I'm
pushing it to actually build that strength, so my body
gets used to that. Also, sled pushes where you're actually
with lighter weight and you're just doing it for explosion
and speed. So now you're you're you're doing the same thing,
it's just lighter and you're exploding, and you're doing that
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repetitively so that your body can get used to that motion.
I think when guys get out there and you know,
they're going through the course of the game and it's
just over time and then they haven't done it, it's
just you know, it may be too much. Another big
thing I think is it's Pregnanzon though, the dose packs
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you know that you take for for like inflammation and
all that that right there messes up the healing process, dude.
Like the biggest thing it does is it lowers it
lowreers or stops inflammation altogether. About like the packs giving
the oral packs that they give you to help with,
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say something's hurt. So what it does is that it
lowers or stops the inflammation, which is you know, it's
part of your body's natural healing and your body. It
tells your body like, hey, you feel this pain, don't
go out there and do this. It won't allow you.
You know, your body won't allow you to work through
certain pains. So you know, I think guys are are
taking these two. You know, you take your pack, you
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feel better, You feel like you know, you feel like
King Kong. All your soreness is gone. But you're also
telling your body that it's okay to go out here.
And the shots you're talking about but not like no, no,
It's like.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
I was listening to the last episode we talked and
you said T shots and people, it was like, what
was the T shots?
Speaker 1 (11:49):
I was like, Off, Now, I'm not I'm not I'm not,
I'm not talking about Twitter. I'm talking about more of
the oral pregnant zone. The uh what is it? Almost
what do they call it? A? It's steroid or in.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
I gotta ask, very very I gotta ask the question, Debo,
because I'm not hip. I gotta ask because I know
some I don't. Sometimes you be talking about stuff and
I'll be like, damn, Deebo, you are very smart and
know about all of the technical stuff and about all
of this different stuff.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
I don't. I don't know really that much technica.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
No, no, no, for sure, for sure. I just want
to let you know. Sometimes you might got to dumb
it down for me because I'll be looking like I
don't know what's going on, because I'd be like, Deebo's
really talking because you know what you're saying about the
about the different shots and about the different pills and
all this stuff. But some stuff I'm just not as hip.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Too, So I just want Yeah. So the pregnant zone.
You know, you ever the dose PACs you ever had
the five or the six five four three two one
or five four three two one. Okay, that is pregnance
on anything that has zone sown on it. At the end,
it's some type of anti inflamnelatory and the biggest thing
about those is it actually slows down the like process
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of your tendons being able to repair because it stops.
Like I guess it's some type of protein or something
or whatever it is, but basically it's what the body
needs to repair the tendons. So as you work out
and you do all the other stuff, you know, you
get micro tears. Micro tears. The same thing is when
you're building muscles, you're working out your tear down tissue.
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So you take right So you take protein to help
recover and repair that what you feel a soreness, you
know what I'm saying. So you take protein to help build,
recover and repair. The big process of what happens when
you take pregnanzone is like the tendons like it actually
like doesn't allow your tendon fibers to heal properly to
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do what they need to do to repair. So like
going like same thing, like I said, it's like taking protein.
You know, going into the process of taking protein when
you're when your body can't heal, then you're you're left
with not being able to really do nothing. It'll make
your tendance, you know, brittle like you know, and it's
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just you don't need to use it if you're trying
to work through something, especially like inflammation. That's like trying
to tell your body not to go. I don't say
you it's things that you do need to take it,
for one, but I don't. I think that maybe some
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guys use it when they don't actually need it, just
because it's going to make you feel better, you know
what I'm saying. You know, your body's sore, you're banged up,
You're like, you know what, it's quick fit, but.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
It's not a long term. It's not going to help
you in a long time.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Okay, oh no, not even not even close. Brother. Yeah,
So that's that's my thought process on it. Feel turf harder,
grabs more pressure on the training, and you know, the
use of these anti inflammatories, I think one.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
I think I can definitely see what now what you're
saying with the anti inflammatories, Definitely understand what you're saying
with the training, because I don't think people is putting
that immediate pressure on it. And with the fields too.
I'm always been a grass fan. Grass overturn.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Any time I am grassed all day, I ain't got
I ain't gotta take no turf, I ain't got to
do nothing.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Worry about just cleak getting caught up in it. It's
just it's too grippy, you know what I'm saying, like
fresh man man taking care of grass fields freshly painted
and nothing like going on playing on the clean freshly
saw that not just coming up like bad grass, but
just you know, you know what I'm talking about, Debo,
that good grass.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
You go out there, yeah, I know you listen. Rather,
I'd rather slip on bad grass then catch my cleak
wrong on turf and lose a C l M C
l PC or whatever something L. You know it's gonna
be a you taking the L right right right, Yeah,
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you are definitely taking Speaking of taking the L man,
I guess nearly a year after old dude over there,
what's his name, Grant deep Pit Delpit, he uh delivered
a good shot, I guess to Henry and uh he
was asked. He was asked by the media, he said, Uh,
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how hard is it to tackle Derrick Henry? He said,
not hard at all. Henry responded to him later today saying, uh,
he was aware of the comment, and uh he had
a quote he said, we'll see on Sunday. Why is
there so much back and forth on this game?
Speaker 2 (16:47):
So because you know people they don't, we don't. They
don't like each other. You know, Ravens don't like the Browns.
Browns don't like the Ravens. And I think personally with
Delpit and Henry, he called him. You know what I'm
saying this just you know how you know, you know
how it is. He's asking how herd to tackle. And
I'm gonna tell you this, Derrick Henry is extremely hard
to tackle. If you run up on him high looking crazy,
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you're gonna get stiff armed. So with my thing, if
you go down low on his legs, try to wrap
him up, you might get jumped over. But I could
I can understand what Delp was saying. Derek, if he
catch Derrick Henry running high, he feels like he can
hit him hard because he's done.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
He didn't he did, he didn't he listen. He didn't
say nothing about catching Derrick Henry running high. Brother, He
said that he was not just this.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Yeah, he's he's he's he's just yeah, he's he's talking.
You know, that's not I don't know if he means it.
I think, Yeah, I was trying to stand up. I'm
standing up.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
You don't say things you don't mean that. You never
give him a bulletin board material. No, he just gave
him bulletin.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
He did, and he's standing on it. I mean, I
don't know. I think the DEVI he just feels some
type of way. So I hopefully goes out there. You
gotta stand on what you say.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
He said it.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
He said that Derrick Henry. Derrick Henry said you gonna
see him on Sunday. So this only.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
On Sunday. So if you running there and shoot at
Derek's knees, is he is he standing on business?
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Sit? He not hard of the tackle. Tackle means the
man goes down to the ground. That's why people get confused,
Oh yeah, you messed him up or he not hard
to tackle me? He said, He's not hard to say.
So if he goes down, it goes down to Derek
Henry's legs and takes him down.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Is how do you look at But you're saying it
don't matter, just tackle because if you run up there,
because this is what I'm saying, if you run up
there high, he can stiff arm you right in your
face or he might you're gonna dip on you.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
But if you don't give him a chance and go lower,
then you might have a better you have a better
chance to tackle. In my opinion, from my experience, I'm going, well, I.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Mean, I think it's just that's just crazy. Totally say
it's not hard enough.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
It is.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
It is. He was being disrespectful, saying that he was trying.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
To get like how how big is he dude? Like
Darren here he was sixty three? Yeah, and he coming
down like.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Yes see, it's hard to tackle in my opinion.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
But you got man.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
The helper said he wasn't he feels some type of way.
He feels like he's not hard to tackle.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
I'm not maybe maybe he not hard to tackle for him,
it's just y'all that's he hard. That's hard for the
rest of the Maybe he's shooting shots at Maybe he's
shooting shots at people. Maybe you know, you know what,
you know what, you know what.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
We're gonna watch the game. But that's what happens when
you do say stuff like this. Now you give everybody
the opportunity to spotlight. Now we're gonna watch you, We're
gonna look and see the opportunities what you're tackling, looking
like how easy is everybody to tackle? You know what
I'm saying, because if Derek Henry so easy to tackle,
you know what I'm saying, That's just why I don't
like putting under needed pressure on yourself. You're already out there,
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You're already in the spotlight. You're gonna have to be
out there in the situation regardless you're putting a spotlight
on you to be watched by now everyone analyzing. Are
you saying this easy tackle Harry or let me watch this,
Let's see how easy it is for you. You know
what I'm saying, like when you don't need to do that,
So that's the that's the only thing I'm saying. I'm like,
w you did with that? I needed pressure on yourself.
You're right, you you when you're speaking, you don't want
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to get bulletin more material. You can say that to
your teammates. Saying that out to the media is basically saying, like, man,
it is what it is. I'm out here, you're wilding.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
No, that's that's less than saying that's that's way more
than saying it is what it is. What it is
to be like, yeah, you know, you know, it's it's
it's it's not easy that that would be. It is
what it is. It's not hard at all, Like it's
not hard.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Well, how hard? But what was that answer exactly? He said,
how hard is it? Tackle? Derrick Henry? He said, not hard,
not hard. Wid Yeah, her tackle to make it's Derrick Henry.
He's about to be the leading rusher in nfls, one
of the leading rushers ever to do it.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Yeah. Yeah, listen, man, maybe they just we're gonna be watching.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
We're gonna be watching.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
Yeah, I'm sure I might pull up the street. I
ain't gonna even lie. I'm pulling up. I'm pulling up.
You know, I'm pulling up to the Steelers game already ready,
Baltimore'm gonna be there right right up the street too. Yeah,
for sure, for sure. Okay, let's let's get over here
to Detroit. So the one thing Man Johnson became known
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for his offense coordinator in Detroit was trick plays. But
Dan Campbell said trick plays or the least of his concerns.
He's getting ready for Johnson's for Johnson's offense. You know
what you can't put Johnson's Johnson Johnson john They can't say.
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I might have to change that name, you know, he said.
He said, I don't really care about trick plays. Just
handled the meat and potatoes of the offense. A defense.
What they think you're going to hang with the defense,
what they think you're going to hang their hat on.
Let's stop that first. Let's worry about that. Let's make
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sure we're all on point and we handle that stuff.
Do you think the Bears got a shot at beating
the line.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
I think everybody has a shot because any given Sundays
early in the season. But I'm not predicting it. I'm
going I think the line's going to get things going.
I think with Dan Campbell is saying this stuff to
all the trick plays and stuff, if you have good eyes,
if you have good discipline, you know what I'm saying,
it's going to work itself out. If you start working
and wondering about the random place that they're gonna run,
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that's where you start chasing ghosts. So long as you
got I disciplined, long as you have your defensive script
ready to go, I think what he's saying is working
on the meat and potatoes knowing exactly what their bases are,
what their main things are going to do on third
down in the red zone, trick plays. As long as
we have our eyes right, we'll work that out. So
I think I don't. I think they have a shot
because it's football and it's the NFL and they're all professionals.
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But I don't think that the Bears are going to
be able to beat the lines. I think the Lions
are going to get there, get that stuff going. I'm
gonna get the running game back going, get the defense going,
and really get back to being the Lions. Because it's
early on in the season. I think that I believe
in them way more than I believe in the Bears.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
I really want to know who asked a question about
trick plays, Like who cares about the trick play? If
I'm dog walking under the trick play and go help
him nowhere, I'm one hundred percent with him. Like you
worry about the meat trick players, you don't worry, you don't.
You don't worry about the trick plays. Yes, you can
say you saw something on camera or tape or whatever
it may be and be aware of it, but me
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actually working on it unless it's something that they're doing
that is not normal. You know, you're you're a team
that you know runs, you know at least you know
ten to fifteen plays wildcare, or you give some type
of you know, uh, off formation that you don't normally
see and y'all, y'all do it at you know, a
party of offense, you know through the course of games. Then, yes,
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a trick play, we're gonna We're gonna work on a
trick play that may or may not come out, and
when they come down to it, you actually got to
be in a position to how that trick play work.
So if the if the Bears play like they did
last week, it ain't no amount of trick play it's
gonna be able to help. I don't I don't, I
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don't get I ain't gonna lie. I don't get a
Bear as a shot.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
That's just you know, that's just where I don't blame you,
especially with the same way with their coach. Even answering
that question is what a good coach is supposed to say,
in my opinion, like, no, we're gonna do the right things.
Are our discipline that's gonna handle Basically what you're saying
that's gonna handle the trick plays us. Chasing ghost is
not going to make us better football team. So I'm
with Campbell. I'm with the Lions. I think they're gonna
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beat the Bears. I think Caleb got talent. But it's
just not it's not it's it's the organization. It's the ship.
They gotta They got to get the ship right over there.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
I mean, you can well what happened to the ship
In the first quarter. The ship was going right. The
second quarter everything started going down. And the ship is
a long game, you know what I'm saying. You know
that the DeVos, ebbs and flows.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
You gotta be able to take punches, make punches, be
able to like it's momentum shifts. You know what I'm saying.
They ain't never get out of the state. You just
get one shift and then you just go the rest
of the way. You gotta be able to, you know
what I'm saying, settle the ship. You know what I'm saying,
be able to always be even killed. You know what
I'm saying. Don't get too high, don't get too low.
So I just don't think that they have it. I mean,
you just got to continue to I need more consistency
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and to play. I don't care about the high and low.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
The consistency of play will take care of, you know,
all of that versus you know, getting high and low.
I'm consistently consistently playing well. I mean, I'm not gonna
have to worry about.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
The world for sure. You said the first quarter they
were consistently playing good there and then the second quarter
consistently bad. Third quarter consistently bad, fourth quarter consistently bad.
If you're just gonna give me, at least give me
a little you know what I'm saying, something a.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Little, a little consistent they gave. They gave you a
little glimpse. So you're still holding on to him.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
For It's still early, man, it's still early. At least
they got to get if they mathematically eliminated from the playoffs.
We're not even you know what I'm saying. Like, No,
it's two way too early to start to start.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
Hanging it up. Okay, I got you, I got you.
Let's go over here. I guess ceedee. Lamb said he
couldn't sleep much over the weekend. The drops against the
Eagles bothered me. He said, I would rather nobody else
but myself be in those situations. I came up short.
Once We'll see the rest, he said. Trust me, I've
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thought about it, I've dwelled on it. I've done everything
that you could possibly imagine about this game. For those
that feel like they feel worse about the game than me,
you're absolutely wrong, see said. Yes, man, I'm gonna tell
you something right now. That's real talk. All these fans
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that be like, oh my god, I just feel so
I'm distraught, I'm this, and that these guys don't even care.
Or instead of no, no, believe me, I am so dude. Listen,
I am so happy. I do not have the ups
and downs of winning and losing and being at work
(27:27):
like I felt like I was. I was on a
roller coaster at Cedar Point, dude, like the highs is
high and the lows is low. Dude. It when you
lose a game, dude on Sunday, dude, it messes everything
until yes, it messed up everything until you get to
that that Wednesday when you start getting ready for the
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next point of Dude, my whole, my whole, my whole,
three for my whole three days dude, till we start,
I'm I'm.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Anything because anything is always so much better better to
to figure out what you did wrong or whatever on
a win than a loss. Once you lost, everything feels
like that's the reason why we lost this play could
I would have did that better? That one mistackle? I
can't Soon we watch the film. I know exactly what play.
I'm looking forward to the play. I already got the script.
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You know what it is. They showed, Oh man, I
missed that tackle and play thirteen waits we get to thirteen.
Everybody looking we in the meeting. You can't say you
know you're wrong. And that's the part too, when you're
when you're when you want to be great. Like CD,
he feels the worst because now he's in that meeting,
he knows he's the man. He wants the ball in
that situation. He knows he can make that catch. He
wants to be the only one on the on the
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Cowboys to make that catch, and when he doesn't, he
feels like shit, you know what I'm saying. Like in
his part of heart, he wants that. You know what
I'm saying. That's why I love him being able to
say it because he means it, because I would feel
the same way and I know you feel the same way.
Losing that game, every single play that whole week until Wednesday,
when you start the next week of practice preparation for
the next team. You feel like I let everybody down.
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Everybody's walking around I let so I let my boys down.
I can't wait till next week when we win and
then the players that I've messed up on. You know
what I'm saying, that's my bad, that's me. I gotta
do better. But we still won the game. Everybody's chilling.
This wasn't the reason why I be lost. Now, everybody's
still walking around the facility hype coach is good. Everybody
high five you lose. That ain't nothing funny the fuck
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that you smiling about? You know what I'm saying, Hey,
I ain't gonna listen. I ain't gonna lie to you know.
I ain't gonna lie to you.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Hey, when I took a loss and it was playday
and I felt a little better, I ain't gonna lie
to you.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
Debo. That's real, that's real talk. That's really They make
you feel better, that make it feel better and make
you feel better, make.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
It take the loss and it ain't play the man
man I'm feeling I'm feeling trashy right there, everybody. You know,
it's so crazy, dude. I still go over like like
losses like super Bowl, That's what it is. Super Bowl.
I'm like, you know what I could have done at
this here? I know it wasn't my responsibility, but I
was there. I could have did it. Man, I missed
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that there. If I was paying attention, I could have
probably picked that there. Or I could have punched the
ball out here. Dude. Anyway, and when when I was
when we played Green Bay and we ended up losing
the Green Bay and the Super Dude, super Bowl, Dude,
I'm in my room and it's just running through my
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head like I can't stop it. I can't stop it.
And you know how they had to, you know, like
the after party all that, you know, man, we and
you know dudes, and we in the hallway, man, we
just looking at each other like mules chewing glue, man,
and everybody's like, man, I could have did this. Maybe
if I did this, Oh man, I missed that. Oh
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if I did this, Like just going through it, dude.
And finally we were just like yo, what we go
th man, We're gonna sit here and cry sober. We're
gonna cry, we go cry. Drunk Man went on Donald, Yo,
I tell you we're so glad they had no cameras. Well,
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it's some there's some pictures out there. Just say we
was on stage like a little way in concert.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
No, you know, no shirt like you had to you
had to get it out, man, you had you had
crazy man making it.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
I ain't gon lie. I seen I seen, I seen
ca crying. Man. I'm like, yeah, I ain't about to
let them see them tears on cameras.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
I was definitely definitely listen.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
I got, I got, I got back to the hotel,
jumped in the shower, and I was like, I let
the tears run down. Can't nobody see me?
Speaker 2 (31:44):
I have been in there, y'all.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
Man, you know what I'm saying, Well next year we
got this though, right. And then that's the thing. You know,
you got guys that are like, yo, this might be
my last last time here on this team. You know
what I'm saying, Like, you know, contract up? You don't
nor if you go get like every team is a
new team, it's a different team that that comes up.
You know, That's the crazy part league.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Rather you keep. Yes, it's literally.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
Rather you keep your core or not, it's changed. It's
a whole the special teams that you know, that stuff.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
Hats as you know, start and then the draft and
then you have training camp. It's a bunch of just
new dudes. You know, normally to core, a couple of
the guys that you had there that started with you,
maybe some dudes on contracts and stuff. But every year
it's a whole lot of new dudes that come in
from OTA's to training camps to like just building a
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whole different squad. So once it ends, once that ends,
and you're like this, I don't know if I'm gonna
see these dudes. You know what I'm saying again, you
know what I'm saying, Like you never plan on not
seeing them. You know what I'm saying. You always like, man,
were working the next day. You know what I'm saying.
We got something to do with grinder, We got practice,
we got stuff going on. Season, not gonna end. We're
gonna win the super Bowl. Until next thing. You know,
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either you can't win the super Bowl, you didn't make it,
you lost in the playoff game. Shit just happens fast,
and then you know you like that, Hold up, it
just should be you know what I'm saying, It's over.
You know what I'm saying. I mean, where everybody going?
Speaker 1 (33:12):
Yeah? Very Speaking of Super Bowls, we got a Super
Bowl rematch coming up. Patrick Mahomee was asked how many
times did he watch the Super Bowl of them losing
forty to twenty two. He said, how much has he
watched the Super Bowl on his own in the weeks after?
(33:35):
He said, I mean, yeah, I mean I've watched the
game after so you have to learn from it. I mean,
it sucks you lose the game, but in order to
progress to get better the next time, you have to
watch and learn from it. And so I don't know
what exact amount of times, but you watch it, and
then you watch it in the offseason with the team
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and with the coaches, and then you watch obviously this
week as well. So I mean it sounds like he
doesn't watch this game way more times than he want
to say that. He doesn't watch it.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
Man, right there, that's three times, he said. But you
watch it, and then you watch it in the off
season with the team and the coaches, and then obviously
you watch it this week for training. So that's three
good times that he watched the joint, you know what
I'm saying. And as something like when you play against
the Eagles, you watch games and I don't know. Patrick
mahomes is the g He's a legend, He's a goat.
(34:30):
That just sucks. It sucks watching you not play to
the top of your level and then at the top
of the world playing in the super Bowl, you know
what I'm saying. So obviously it's not a game that
you want to watch, But when you're watching film, when
you're a professional like Patrick mahomes is, he watches it
when he has to. I watched it with my coaches,
I watched it on an off season, and I watched
it this week. You know what I'm saying. You really
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want to know. It's not a game that I myer watching,
but I have to study tape and I'm gonna get
better from it. I love his take on it, but
he don't want to watch the game. He didn't play well.
But you're gonna learn stuff from it. And I think that,
you know, you can learn what Philly was doing to
you to make to make the game look get that bad,
get that ugly. So I think It's not just him,
missus Lyon, it's their blitz. Is just understanding what Philly
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did to make them look that bad. So I respect Pat,
I love Pat, and I'm saying, yeah, I watched it
with the coaches. I watched it on the off season.
I watched it.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
He watched it. He watched it three times. No, no, no,
he said he watched it in the office. He said,
I watched it one time in the off He said,
I watched it in the off season like he watched
the you know, he kept he kept watching it. I
ain't even lie to you, bro, I don't let me
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think about that. I don't really think I've watched the
whole Super Bowl that I lost. I had the misfortune
of being in two of them that are lost, one
with the Stellers, in one with the Patriots. And dude, honestly,
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I can't see.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
You I ever watched it.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
I know what I did wrong. I know, dude, I
can Yeah, I don't. I don't think I've ever like
watched in whole I'm gonna.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
Ask you this, do you think Patrick is saying that
he watched the whole game or he watched like the
like the clips. You know, what I'm saying, Like on
your iPad? Do you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
Like he's saying he's watched with coaches, he's what like
I haven't, Like I haven't watched the whole defense or
anything like I haven't watched the whole in nothing. If
I catch it it's on like TV or something like.
I have not sat down and watched that whole tape
(36:47):
of any Super Bowl loss. I ain't even lost you
like for me, like I can't do nothing to get
better next week it's over and and the and the
chances of seeing them in at the same place or slim,
so you know, so I'll worry about that when that
time comes and gets closer.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
But I'm like, I haven't really watched the full But
I think you might be different from him because he
was winning him again. You know what I'm saying, he's
playing him again playing this week. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
So it could well, yeah, I can see I can
see that because yeah, after you after you get it
went wrong, so you got to check and see what
went wrong.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
You got to if you really want, you know what
I'm saying, check on bump your feelings. We try to
get better, you know what I'm saying, end of the day.
And the last time we played them was in the
Super Bowl where they spacked us.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
So then you probably watch it if you was a listen, Yeah,
that's that's not just a smack. That's like that was
a I couldn't believe it. I was a problem for sure.
That was ugly speaking speaking again, whipped on. I mean
after the coach got uh got in the uh. I
(37:59):
can't say that. Yeah, I can as if the coach
gott in, you know, and the Dolphins asked, you know,
they had a player's only meeting. Linebacker Jordan Brooks, one
of Miami's six captains, said, losing the way we did
Week one can be discouraging. Outside noise people talking, fans talking,
family talking whatever, everybody talking, but just kind of making
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sure that everybody's together. When you lose like that, it's
easy for people to get discouraged and start looking questioning,
maybe yourself and others. So just making sure that we
all lock in and make sure that the belief is
still there. You lose belief, you don't have nothing, So
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making sure that everybody is still on the same page
can be next and come back next week stronger. Have
you had any players only meetings like this? Brother?
Speaker 2 (38:56):
I have, I have for sure?
Speaker 1 (38:57):
Have you.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
You've never had players only means.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
Like this? No, dude, I ain't gonna lie, not like
if it's a dude. No, I haven't. I have not
had a player's only meeting like that. It's for me
for you to even have to have a players only
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meeting like that after one week tells me that what
you're afraid of is already happening, and you're trying to
stop it from, you know, spreading out to other people
in the locker room that may not be feeling the
same way, and once.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
It gets to the players only me and you already lost.
So like, that's that's kind of where I was, Like,
that's just where you.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
Oh you was in Cleveland.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
I forgot how Yeah, you was real not gonna do
We're not gonna be here for the slander of the
land was slander?
Speaker 1 (40:00):
Slander means it is not true. I said, you were
real good, you go going to the Hall Wizard talking
about it's just that your team y'all, y'all didn't It's okay,
it's not really okay, But I understand that's why I
never had one of those kind of meeting.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
So let me let me go ahead tell you what
those times. So long story short, if the it's you know,
there's It was a lot of coaching staff change. We
had a different coach kind of every year we were there,
a different head coach, different offensive coordinators. So it was
a kind of different sometimes different different voice, you know
what I'm saying. So sometimes when you had vets that
were around like me, like Joe t when we had
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situations where you were just people started kind of going
for theirselves like kind of at the end of the day,
we wanted to let them know the Iron the sky
don't lie. What you don't want to do is not perform.
The thing is, your job is on the line. Even
if you're not gonna play for the Browns, you're gonna
play for somebody else, like your your tape is your resume.
It gets down to the gritty. Once you start being
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mathematically eliminated when your team cannot make the playof you
have to start telling the dudes like man bump all that,
like I'm doing you see the way I'm leading, I'm
out here because the end of the day, the iron
Scott a lie if you if we're losing games, we
got to be able to come in here and watch
the tape and it not be my fault. That's what
it's not gonna be, you know what I'm saying. So
having to have these conversations with other grown men in
situations where coaches are trying to figure out if they're
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gonna get fired, and I'm just like, I'm just trying
the ball. I'm here to hoop, and that's really kind
of all that matters. So that's when you're seeing. So
what you're saying is you're not gonna be in a
winning spot with a team only meeting, I feel I think, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:36):
So what you're saying is like, when it came down
to it, the personalities of the players that y'all would
picking led to them being a little mentally weak, if
not a lot mentally weak, and they just didn't have
the internal for the two to push through. So y'all
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had to do a player's only meeting to try and
rob rod in to get them to get him going.
That's kind of what I'm hearing.
Speaker 2 (42:07):
Yet, I mean, it's not exactly that, but yeah, it's timing.
I mean, some you I don't know people, have you
ever been in a I've been in. I've never been in.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
I've never been in that situations saying you know, I'm
it's mesurgh.
Speaker 2 (42:23):
It's definitely some situations where we've been into that have
been kind of off where you know, you just gotta
really the end of the day, it is a business,
but they don't lie your Your resume is what you
put on tape. So when you want to be a professional,
end the day, you go, oh to sixteen, Those I mean,
I'm in one to fifteen. Those are not stable organizations.
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Coaches know that they're about to get fired. People are
walking into the spot not knowing that their jobs like
secure or not. So that's where you in the joint.
I know I'm here, I'm ball, I'm doing what I
gotta do, and it's not the problems over your head,
you know what I'm saying. Like, that's why I look
at Chicago Sometimes sometimes your job is to do what
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you do. You come in there to do your one elevens.
You know what I'm saying. If you're a quarterback, you
be a best quarterback you can do. You come in there,
you train your own time, and you think that your
coaches and the organization are competent enough to put you
in the position to win. There's not things that you
need to be handling that you start handling when you're
in a position where the other people aren't doing it,
you know what I'm saying. So that's just kind of
where I don't I that was my particular situation, and
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when I'm looking at it from the Dolphins, I'm not
in that locker room. But when I'm hearing like these
dudes looking like, man, I don't want y'all just people
just out of there like I don't care. But at
the end of the day, you're just trying to The
situation may not be the best for what you need
to do is come out here.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
You have to perform your Your job is NFL. I
understand what you're saying, like the players only. I'm with
you on that. As far as a player's only meeting,
I think I think you've lost it now. We got
a players only meeting. That means that the leadership that
is in place, who would be you know, your your coaches,
your head coach, your coordinators, y'all are feeling like they
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aren't either given what is going to be needed to
move forward and produce a different outcome. Yeah, I don't.
I don't think the players only meeting does anything. I
think anybody that I had a player's only meeting, they
probably lost their coach in the year or two. I
don't know how many coaches did y'all after a players
(44:27):
only meeting loose?
Speaker 2 (44:28):
I mean we probably I haven't been a part of
too many players only meeting. It's probably about two, probably
about two or maybe three, and each one of the
coaches definitely was five.
Speaker 1 (44:38):
Yeah, I don't. I don't think a player is only meeting.
I think it could help, But if I gotta like,
you're a grown man in a professional sport. This is
your livelihood. It should be nothing that's going to like
mentally take you out of it. Like, yeah, physically you
could get hurt all the other stuff, but like you
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got to go out there.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
You can see how just how people not rocking with
playing time. You can see how I do this as
a professional. It could be like this nothing, I'm not
rocking with it. We losing, y'all tripping. You know what
I'm saying. I'm not rocking with it. You know what
I'm saying? Like that is people do that. You know
what I'm saying, Like they're not locking their playing time.
Speaker 1 (45:17):
They yeah, but but a player's only meeting would not
be something that a player that is this this grunnle
about his playing time, that wouldn't be a player's mean,
that would be a head coach thing. You see what
I'm saying, Like you're when you do a player's only meeting,
you're saying that the majority of my team is out
here talking about we are down bad and this is
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getting ugly. What just happened behind me? And my life
go out?
Speaker 2 (45:43):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (45:43):
I mean I think it did. Anyway, go ahead, No,
you used to look straight. No, I think my life
just went out. Somebody, somebody tell me my life went out.
I think my life went out in my life. It
had to. Yeah, my life went out. That's what it was. Yeah,
my life went out. Oh my goodness, dude, this is
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this is out of control. Man. I'm gonna have to
fix that before four things get uh get too dark? Here?
Do it look good? Still? Y'all? Still still solid? Bro?
You're still solid? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (46:20):
Solid?
Speaker 1 (46:20):
That's all I need to make sure. Now, I make
sure I was solid.
Speaker 2 (46:24):
Yeah, this is what happens when you when I'm not
a fan of the players only meanings. I don't feel
like you need like that's when you're not in a
like in a good spot like that. You said, if
you haven't been a part of one, that's good. That's
a good thing.
Speaker 1 (46:39):
Okay, Well, if you had to do something to reserve
this team, what would you do? What would you be?
What would be your first step in trying to get
the Dophins back on track? First, it starts with tour.
I don't, I don't, I'm not I'm not the biggest
to a fan. I'm not the biggest to a fan.
Speaker 2 (47:00):
I don't know. And he's never been my favorite quarterback.
I don't know how.
Speaker 1 (47:07):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (47:07):
I don't know if they can build around him. And
then with Tyreek Hill too, they just not getting along.
I think he needs to he might have to keep
They might got to do something with him too. I'm
just Miami the coach. We had their coach. He was
a coach. He was the wide receiver coach for me
when we were in Cleveland. Great, brilliant, brilliant, brilliant mind.
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I think he might be one of the best. Maybe
maybe just put him in an offensive coordinator role. I
don't know if he's ready for the head coaching spot.
I mean, he was doing a great job, but I
just think just letting him just do one thing and
let somebody else may be come and be a head coach.
I think they made it a new voice. That's just
my thought.
Speaker 1 (47:44):
What do you think that's Yeah, that's that's where I
ain't gonna lie, don't you know? That's where I would
go with it. I would. I mean for this year,
I think you just roll out with what you got
going and trying trying for nake of it. Yeah, some way,
shape or form, But I think it's time just to.
Speaker 2 (48:06):
It's a lot of noise going on over there. Man,
it's a lot of so much.
Speaker 1 (48:12):
It's not one thing that I could do that would
just make it happen.
Speaker 2 (48:17):
Many moving parts right now going on over there.
Speaker 1 (48:22):
And then yeah you can't. Well you could get rid
of to Rick, but then what you got now I
was about to get rid of that.
Speaker 2 (48:30):
Look, rebuild, get as much as you possibly can. You said,
go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, and not like I'm
saying in the bad way, Tybreek Kill is great. That's
where they'll be able to get some good stuff for him,
but he's not happy.
Speaker 1 (48:44):
You know what you think they can get for him? Though?
Would you what would you get for Tyreek?
Speaker 2 (48:50):
What would I give a Tree Kill?
Speaker 1 (48:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (48:55):
Two first round picks? Oh yep, because I know I
got him, but I got him. Yeah, I'll give two
first round picks. He gonna be an instance. He gonna
instantly be a He's instantly gonna be still cheated Tyreek Kill.
Speaker 1 (49:09):
It's not his fault. You see him, you see him,
You see him being able to make it back to Kency.
Speaker 2 (49:15):
I don't know about the relationship. Man. I didn't like
him to come to Pittsburgh. That'd be crazy.
Speaker 1 (49:21):
I heard. I heard rumbles that they offered him something.
Speaking of Pittsburgh, Buddy, Aaron Rodgers could surpass b far
for career touchdowns on Sunday. I will be at that game, dude,
I will be at that game. Rogers has thrown for
a five hundred and seven regular season touchdown passes Far
(49:43):
retired with five oh eight. He could pass him in
that game. All he gotta do is throw two of them. Tuddies.
Speaker 2 (49:49):
Man.
Speaker 1 (49:50):
If Rogers throws two touchdowns on Sunday against the Seahawks,
he'll tie far for the fourth one touchdown. Sorry, he'll
type far for the fourth mo in NFL history. If
you throw two, he goes take him over obviously, So
Rogers actually, oh, he got a long way to go
before he gets to Brady. Brady got six regulously. Yes, yeah.
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Second is Breeze with five seventy one, followed by Peyton
with five thirty nine. I guess Rogers has a chance
to pass Peyton, though we'll see. Twenty nine is crazy
work out of control, out of dude, out of.
Speaker 2 (50:33):
Uncle Tom was launching them joints.
Speaker 1 (50:37):
Dude. I'll tell you what, man, I wanted that, Like
I said before, I wanted to hate that dude when
I went there, man, just because just playing against him.
Never met he never you know, knew of his personal nothing.
You know what I'm saying. And I get there. As
soon as I get there, you know, like I said,
he the first person pop up, Hey man, how you doing?
I'm Tom Brady. I'm like, man, I know the fuck
you look coming like talking like introducing yourself, you know
(51:02):
what I'm saying. So I'm sitting back. I'm like, yeah,
let me watch him, manrust I'm like, I know, let
me sit back and watch this. I know he fakes
hell trying to set me up. Sit back, man, I'm
washing him. Man, same thing, dude, you know, practice squad dude,
come in, you know, just watching him all week, seeing
(51:23):
him move around. Dude. And I'm sitting there and uh,
he's on the table like next to me, and I'm like, yo,
I got a confession to make, man, I ain't gonna
lie man when I wanted when I came here, Man,
I want to hate you, I said, but you're a
good dude. Man.
Speaker 2 (51:35):
I see what everybody.
Speaker 1 (51:39):
And he messed with everybody sold like.
Speaker 2 (51:42):
I'm happy to hear.
Speaker 1 (51:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (51:44):
Yeah, but I'm at Do you think do you think
he's gonna you think you being there, you think you're
gonna break the record? You think not break the record,
but past brad Off.
Speaker 1 (51:56):
Oh yeah, dude, here that far.
Speaker 2 (51:57):
I need to throw one the time into the past.
Speaker 1 (52:02):
Yeah, he go, he go get he go get far.
No matter what, that's gonna happen, the one that paid.
I think it's yes, that that's gonna be very that's
that's gonna be I think that's gonna be a little questionable.
He still play three out if he if he do
that or you think he going on he through eight. Listen,
(52:23):
he threw four last week on average. A four game
averaging for a game is crazy work, Listen. That was
just that was just you know, that was an average.
That's what the average is right now for a game.
Speaker 2 (52:39):
So I'm going and that's for eight touchdown through seven
touchdowns through.
Speaker 1 (52:48):
Through listen through seventeen games through eight.
Speaker 2 (52:51):
Touchdowns and what we're talking about, it's possible, it is possible.
Speaker 1 (52:58):
He averaging four right now to day, right as of today,
as of today, he's on, he's on, he's on target
for sixty eight on pace.
Speaker 2 (53:07):
On sixty eight. And if he gets sixty eight, sixty
down you heard it, lot, he gets sixty Yeah, he
passing Drew Brees too, Aaron pace, she gets sixty eight,
He passes Drew Brees and Peyton Manning.
Speaker 1 (53:19):
Yes, that's I mean, that's where it's as a pace right.
Speaker 2 (53:24):
As a pace. To make sure you say as a
pace right now, because.
Speaker 1 (53:27):
That's as a pace right now, my man. Aaron Rodgers
is on on for sixty eight touchdowns. She averaged three dpo.
Speaker 2 (53:36):
He had fifty one, hey, bro, averaging.
Speaker 1 (53:41):
I ain't gonna like to average three is hard too,
That's what I'm saying. You said, I know, I know,
I've ever heard you had to you tried to drop
it down like it was realistic. I'm just up here
talking hell of boatka. Ok, I'm trying.
Speaker 2 (53:54):
I'm just you know, because we got my numbers, guy,
I just got to see what it's looks like.
Speaker 1 (54:00):
A right, Speaking of numbers, the number one overall pick
Cam Warris debut didn't look great. They they but they
failed WHOA but they failed to tell the whole stories
or Its completion rates was affected by mistakes from his
head coach plus several drops from his receivers. The quarterback, however,
(54:23):
hasn't lost confidence in his past catchers. He says, I
am never going to go I'm never going to get
on these guys for dropping the ball. I'm going to
throw a pick at some point in the season. So
bad players are going to happen. The biggest thing is
when we get back to the huddle, we have to
(54:44):
always have a next play mentality. I'm not too worried
about that. These boys are going to play. These boys
are going to catch the ball. MM what do you
I like?
Speaker 2 (54:57):
The young quarterback, believing in his guys. I saw him
out there when I watched the game, and I think
he has a great presence. And like he said too,
they were dropping some good passes that he was throwing
to them in the fourth quarter, like trying to leave
them back. So I just love the way he still
believes in him. He knows he's a young quarterback. He's
gonna have he's gonna have bad times when he needs
them to believe in him, be like pick him up.
(55:18):
So same time, just not putting his teammates, like not
not not not being mean to his teammates, so like
throwing them under the bus. I think that's a sign
of a good quarterback. That's like building confidence in those guys.
So they want to do they want to do better
for him. And at the same time, like we said earlier,
they feel terrible, they want to make those plays, so
not jumping on them adding to it when you know
(55:39):
these dudes care, they feel bad, your quarterback is standing
up for you. So I think in the future they're
gonna try to work a little harder obviously, and hopefully
those hopefully they catch those passes. But this is a
good sign of him just being a good leader.
Speaker 1 (55:53):
Yeah, yeah, I have one agree with you on that,
especially you know him saying that, you know it's going
to come a point in time where you know he's
not gonna he's not going to be doing as well,
and you know he's hoping he's going to get the
same you know, treating that you you know, you treat
somebody how you want to be treated. You know he's
going to be there. Uh, you support him. He's hoping
that they'll they'll do the same thing for him. Great,
(56:14):
great God, great, great person or mentality to have as
a quarterback, especially when you're you know, you're the QB
and you're the leader of that. That's yeah, it's it
can it can't get any any better than them. But
before we get to the ticket winners, we got some
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She said, love you too. God, bless God, Bless you
to Lisa Lynch. God is good. Yes, he is my
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good man brother. Debo. That is good. Come on your time,
okay and all the time God, what what you thought?
I grew up in the church depot. Let's go okay,
so listen, drum roll. If I drum this thing, this
thing might fall the moment we've all been waiting for
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Speaker 2 (58:55):
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Speaker 1 (59:07):
You you guys are really going to have a blast.
It's going to be a great time had by all.
And uh we go ball and see I'm getting we
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Welcome back to the Debo and Joe's Show. I'm your host,
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knows that we gave the tickets away and somebody went
there and it ain't no flim flamsey fluked going on steam,
no schemes at all. Baby, How you do doing good? Brother?
Speaker 2 (00:45):
How you man?
Speaker 1 (00:47):
You know I'm doing good man. Blessed to see another day?
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Love love it. We had some great, great football obviously, Yes,
for sure.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
We gonna start off with the Packers. I mean Thursday
night game. That's that's That's the only thing I might
watch anything. They can talk about, no question, the Packers.
The Packers beat the Commanders twenty seven to eighteen. Dude
Green Bay moves to two and zher. The Packers have
now beaten two NFC contenders in back to back weeks.
But the Packers defense only gave up two hundred and
(01:17):
thirty yards of total fucking offense today were strapping hey
last listen. Last week they only gave up two hundred
and forty six to Detroit. So these boys doing things.
This is the first time the Packers have allowed fewer
than two hundred and fifty yards across the first two
games of a season since nineteen ninety five. Tucker Tucker,
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My dude, Tucker Kraft one hundred and twenty four yards. Dude,
it's the most receiving yards. It's the most receiving yards
by a Packer tight end since Richard Rogers. In Week
thirteen of two thoy fifteen at Detroit the game dub
the miracle in Motown Hell Mary Games Love. Of course,
(02:01):
Jordan Love was doing this thing, dude. He was actually
nine or fifteen for one hundred and seventy five yards
against them when they blitzed him. Dude, with two tugs
like on throws of ten yards or more. Against the blitz,
Love was six or eight for one hundred and forty
four yards and a tudy, A nice tuddy dude. We
(02:22):
had some bad news, of course at the end. I
had a couple of guys get injured, you know, through
the process of the game. Scheffner reported that the Commanders
believe veteran running back Austin Eckler did in fact Terry's
achilles last night. He's scheduled to undergo an MRI imaging
for today. Also, the Jaden the receiver for the package
(02:47):
of Jayden Reid. Yeah, he suffered a fracture of Cayler
bonhom So he's he's out. He's headed to IR. A
thing I want to ask you a question. We're where
do you see the ceiling? What? Actually two questions, Where
do you see the ceiling for the Packers as you
look at it right now? And what is your take
(03:10):
on what's causing all these achilles injuries? Man?
Speaker 2 (03:14):
First of all, I'm gonna do my take on these
Packers because that game was a great game. It was amazing.
Jordan Love was balling, and it wasn't just Jordan Love,
it was Josh Jacobs. Josh Jacobs. I forgot that they
had one of the best running backs in the league. Also,
so having Jordan Love not having to depend on him
as much, having that great running game, and at the
(03:36):
end of the day, Jordan Love isn't a checkdown guy.
He's not just dunk dunking and duncan. He's throwing bombs.
That one that he almost had to go in the
rookie from Texas that was streaking the four to two guy,
he missed him by the fingertips, and then the next
play they throw. The next play another bomb down the
left hand sideline where he twinkled told it on the sideline.
So it's not just like he's like doing a little
(03:56):
catching runs. He's throwing balls down the field. The running
game is amazing. And then it's not just offense, debo,
it's defense. And it's not just Michael Parsons who's balling.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
This is great, dude. I've seen like three or four
times where they had three people blocking this dude.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
He's creating other opportunities for other d linemen because he's
getting pressure, he's getting stunned on. People have eyes on him,
and it's getting people ones wring your one on one there.
He's people are winning because of him. And then also,
my good man, I'm gonna say Kia Shawn Nixon, the
cornerback for the green Bay Packers. Not only are they
balling on the front level, getting after the quarterback in
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the back end, he had five price breakups, breakup in
the fourth the on fourth down. He's just being very
very ball just being aware of the ball, getting after
the rock Love seeing that they're balling on every single level.
So green Bay, their ceiling for me is very high.
Their ceiling for Jordan Love is very high. I think
they can go. They can go in the playoffs. They
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can they can challenge any team. They can work. Where's
your ceiling? You're saying super Bowl, You're saying, what are
you saying? I think they can definitely go to the
NFC Championship. Like I don't. I don't see why not.
I think with them, I mean because we looked at
the NFC quarterbacks. We got Jalen Hurts, we got Dak Prescott,
we got Baker Mayfield, and then I'm thinking about Jordan Love.
Like the end of the day, it would be Eagles
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and they would have to contest against green Bay. I
don't think that Green Bay is scared of the Eagles.
I think that there's somebody they have to go against,
and I think they will be the Eagles, and it's
looking like Green Bay and they're gonna go against each other,
and the defense is playing like this, and the offense
with the running game, with Jordan Love being able to
throw the ball this way and with Jacobs being able
to toe the rock, I don't see how they couldn't
beat the Eagles. So, I mean, it looked great on
(05:41):
from my perspective. How do you think it looked, debub.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
I think it looked great. But you know I would
I would go NFC Championship game. I would go that far.
I wouldn't. I wouldn't jump ahead to Super Bowl. The
only reason I wouldn't jump ahead the Super Bowl is
because you know they just played Washington. Washington beat the
twenty one to six, so you know, the Giants aren't
really uh you know that that team that you would
(06:07):
actually look at to measure it against. And of course
you know you got the Lions right now. I want
to see if that was just you know, if the
Lions are still the Lions that they were actually or
is it right? Or is it or is it a
new Lions? And then you got the Lions they're playing
you know, Chicago this week. But again, you know, Chicago
came out hot in the first quarter. They look they
(06:28):
look great, and then they twinkled and twizzled out. So
you know, I don't think that gives me a good
feel of, you know, where they really are. I think
if the Lions go out there and just totally dominate Chicago,
I think, you know, that would make me feel better
about saying, you know, the ceiling is super Bowl for
(06:51):
green Bay, because I think that's what green Bay would
you know, do to Chicago. But you know, right now,
I'm just going to say, I see the ceiling right now,
I'm just saying, the last time I.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Seen you best is your last game. You best is
your last performance. I'm going to say from what I
last seen and when I last seen the Eagles play,
I mean they won the game. They got out of
the stadium would win. It didn't look too good, but
you know they won the game. When I see Green
Bailey the stadium, I think that team played well. I
think they played better. And I'm not saying that they're
just a better team or whatever, but offensive wise, defensive wise,
(07:24):
the way that they're moving the ball, the whether they're
stopping to run the way that they're making plays in
the back end. I kind of just liked that team.
If I was just looking at nobody had any different
If they had no names on their jerseys and you
just looked at each team played two games, I would say, Oh,
the Packers team, that team over there, Team B is
better than team had.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Oh yeah, for sure. I mean that's that's a that's
it's easy. That's an easy get, you know, to my
to my other part, what do you what do you
think is the cause of all these.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Aches that we were I don't know, debo, because it's
non contact and you know those are the work like
when you see somebody jumping in about the burst and
just make that plant and then it just goes and
you just see it happen. I don't know particularly why
people's achilles are going like that. I didn't have I
never have. I was fortunate I never have an achilles tear.
(08:14):
But I don't know why they seem to go. Do
you think it's like more they're not just the like
you said, the practice, we're not doing things full speed
as much, and then all of a sudden we're actual players.
To just you gotta go.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
You gotta go.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
You gotta be getting ready, you gotta be able to
start moving, and not doing that in training camp or
not doing that as much in the off season, maybe
they're not their body's not ready to just respond.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Okay, Yeah, I think it's a combination of three things.
If you look at the National Institute of Health, they
did a study, I guess between nineteen eighty and two
thousand and one, it was an average of four Achilles
roasters per season. When you go ninety seven to two thousand,
it was an average of five per season. You go
(08:58):
to two thousand and nine to sixteen, it jumps up
is fourteen per season, and in twenty three it was
twenty two Achilles STAPs. So so so for me, the
thing I see is change the surface. You have it.
You have a change of surface. It's a lot more
teams playing on turf.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
That's you know.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
I think that's that's an adding gives yes, grass is better.
And then the second thing is is training. Dude, I
don't I don't think guys are training the same way
or training as hard as they used to, especially with
it being the changes in the collective bargaining Agreement. But
(09:42):
then even training, you know, when you're out there in
the off season, you know you need to do training
that puts that kind of you know, repetitive pressure, like
on your achilles. So the thing that we do, or
my trainer likes to do is sled pushes, like heavy pushes.
I'm putting you know, I'm putting that pressure on that achilles.
(10:04):
It's getting you know, people like James, why are you
trying to push? Why are you're pushing two thousand pounds. Well,
I'm not just pushing it just to show off. I'm
pushing it to actually build that strength, so my body
gets used to that. Also, sled pushes where you're actually
with lighter weight and you're just doing it for explosion
and speed. So now you're you're you're doing the same thing,
it's just lighter and you're exploding, and you're doing that
(10:26):
repetitively so that your body can get used to that motion.
I think when guys get out there and you know,
they're going through the course of the game and it's
just over time and then they haven't done it, it's
just you know, it may be too much. Another big
thing I think is it's Pregnanzon though, the dose packs
(10:46):
you know that you take for for like inflammation and
all that that right there messes up the healing process, dude.
Like the biggest thing it does is it lowers it
lowreers or stops inflammation altogether. About like the packs giving
the oral packs that they give you to help with,
(11:08):
say something's hurt. So what it does is that it
lowers or stops the inflammation, which is you know, it's
part of your body's natural healing and your body. It
tells your body like, hey, you feel this pain, don't
go out there and do this. It won't allow you.
You know, your body won't allow you to work through
certain pains. So you know, I think guys are are
taking these two. You know, you take your pack, you
(11:31):
feel better, You feel like you know, you feel like
King Kong. All your soreness is gone. But you're also
telling your body that it's okay to go out here.
And the shots you're talking about but not like no, no,
It's like.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
I was listening to the last episode we talked and
you said T shots and people, it was like, what
was the T shots?
Speaker 1 (11:49):
I was like, Off, Now, I'm not I'm not I'm not,
I'm not talking about Twitter. I'm talking about more of
the oral pregnant zone. The uh what is it? Almost
what do they call it? A? It's steroid or in.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
I gotta ask, very very I gotta ask the question, Debo,
because I'm not hip. I gotta ask because I know
some I don't. Sometimes you be talking about stuff and
I'll be like, damn, Deebo, you are very smart and
know about all of the technical stuff and about all
of this different stuff.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
I don't. I don't know really that much technica.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
No, no, no, for sure, for sure. I just want
to let you know. Sometimes you might got to dumb
it down for me because I'll be looking like I
don't know what's going on, because I'd be like, Deebo's
really talking because you know what you're saying about the
about the different shots and about the different pills and
all this stuff. But some stuff I'm just not as hip.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Too, So I just want Yeah. So the pregnant zone.
You know, you ever the dose PACs you ever had
the five or the six five four three two one
or five four three two one. Okay, that is pregnance
on anything that has zone sown on it. At the end,
it's some type of anti inflamnelatory and the biggest thing
about those is it actually slows down the like process
(13:02):
of your tendons being able to repair because it stops.
Like I guess it's some type of protein or something
or whatever it is, but basically it's what the body
needs to repair the tendons. So as you work out
and you do all the other stuff, you know, you
get micro tears. Micro tears. The same thing is when
you're building muscles, you're working out your tear down tissue.
(13:23):
So you take right So you take protein to help
recover and repair that what you feel a soreness, you
know what I'm saying. So you take protein to help build,
recover and repair. The big process of what happens when
you take pregnanzone is like the tendons like it actually
like doesn't allow your tendon fibers to heal properly to
(13:48):
do what they need to do to repair. So like
going like same thing, like I said, it's like taking protein.
You know, going into the process of taking protein when
you're when your body can't heal, then you're you're left
with not being able to really do nothing. It'll make
your tendance, you know, brittle like you know, and it's
(14:12):
just you don't need to use it if you're trying
to work through something, especially like inflammation. That's like trying
to tell your body not to go. I don't say
you it's things that you do need to take it,
for one, but I don't. I think that maybe some
(14:33):
guys use it when they don't actually need it, just
because it's going to make you feel better, you know
what I'm saying. You know, your body's sore, you're banged up,
You're like, you know what, it's quick fit, but.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
It's not a long term. It's not going to help
you in a long time.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Okay, oh no, not even not even close. Brother. Yeah,
So that's that's my thought process on it. Feel turf harder,
grabs more pressure on the training, and you know, the
use of these anti inflammatories, I think one.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
I think I can definitely see what now what you're
saying with the anti inflammatories, Definitely understand what you're saying
with the training, because I don't think people is putting
that immediate pressure on it. And with the fields too.
I'm always been a grass fan. Grass overturn.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Any time I am grassed all day, I ain't got
I ain't gotta take no turf, I ain't got to
do nothing.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Worry about just cleak getting caught up in it. It's
just it's too grippy, you know what I'm saying, like
fresh man man taking care of grass fields freshly painted
and nothing like going on playing on the clean freshly
saw that not just coming up like bad grass, but
just you know, you know what I'm talking about, Debo,
that good grass.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
You go out there, yeah, I know you listen. Rather,
I'd rather slip on bad grass then catch my cleak
wrong on turf and lose a C l M C
l PC or whatever something L. You know it's gonna
be a you taking the L right right right, Yeah,
(16:08):
you are definitely taking Speaking of taking the L man,
I guess nearly a year after old dude over there,
what's his name, Grant deep Pit Delpit, he uh delivered
a good shot, I guess to Henry and uh he
was asked. He was asked by the media, he said, Uh,
(16:29):
how hard is it to tackle Derrick Henry? He said,
not hard at all. Henry responded to him later today saying, uh,
he was aware of the comment, and uh he had
a quote he said, we'll see on Sunday. Why is
there so much back and forth on this game?
Speaker 2 (16:47):
So because you know people they don't, we don't. They
don't like each other. You know, Ravens don't like the Browns.
Browns don't like the Ravens. And I think personally with
Delpit and Henry, he called him. You know what I'm
saying this just you know how you know, you know
how it is. He's asking how herd to tackle. And
I'm gonna tell you this, Derrick Henry is extremely hard
to tackle. If you run up on him high looking crazy,
(17:08):
you're gonna get stiff armed. So with my thing, if
you go down low on his legs, try to wrap
him up, you might get jumped over. But I could
I can understand what Delp was saying. Derek, if he
catch Derrick Henry running high, he feels like he can
hit him hard because he's done.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
He didn't he did, he didn't he listen. He didn't
say nothing about catching Derrick Henry running high. Brother, He
said that he was not just this.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Yeah, he's he's he's he's just yeah, he's he's talking.
You know, that's not I don't know if he means it.
I think, Yeah, I was trying to stand up. I'm
standing up.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
You don't say things you don't mean that. You never
give him a bulletin board material. No, he just gave
him bulletin.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
He did, and he's standing on it. I mean, I
don't know. I think the DEVI he just feels some
type of way. So I hopefully goes out there. You
gotta stand on what you say.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
He said it.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
He said that Derrick Henry. Derrick Henry said you gonna
see him on Sunday. So this only.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
On Sunday. So if you running there and shoot at
Derek's knees, is he is he standing on business?
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Sit? He not hard of the tackle. Tackle means the
man goes down to the ground. That's why people get confused,
Oh yeah, you messed him up or he not hard
to tackle me? He said, He's not hard to say.
So if he goes down, it goes down to Derek
Henry's legs and takes him down.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Is how do you look at But you're saying it
don't matter, just tackle because if you run up there,
because this is what I'm saying, if you run up
there high, he can stiff arm you right in your
face or he might you're gonna dip on you.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
But if you don't give him a chance and go lower,
then you might have a better you have a better
chance to tackle. In my opinion, from my experience, I'm going, well, I.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Mean, I think it's just that's just crazy. Totally say
it's not hard enough.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
It is.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
It is. He was being disrespectful, saying that he was trying.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
To get like how how big is he dude? Like
Darren here he was sixty three? Yeah, and he coming
down like.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Yes see, it's hard to tackle in my opinion.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
But you got man.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
The helper said he wasn't he feels some type of way.
He feels like he's not hard to tackle.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
I'm not maybe maybe he not hard to tackle for him,
it's just y'all that's he hard. That's hard for the
rest of the Maybe he's shooting shots at Maybe he's
shooting shots at people. Maybe you know, you know what,
you know what, you know what.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
We're gonna watch the game. But that's what happens when
you do say stuff like this. Now you give everybody
the opportunity to spotlight. Now we're gonna watch you, We're
gonna look and see the opportunities what you're tackling, looking
like how easy is everybody to tackle? You know what
I'm saying, because if Derek Henry so easy to tackle,
you know what I'm saying, That's just why I don't
like putting under needed pressure on yourself. You're already out there,
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You're already in the spotlight. You're gonna have to be
out there in the situation regardless you're putting a spotlight
on you to be watched by now everyone analyzing. Are
you saying this easy tackle Harry or let me watch this,
Let's see how easy it is for you. You know
what I'm saying, like when you don't need to do that,
So that's the that's the only thing I'm saying. I'm like,
w you did with that? I needed pressure on yourself.
You're right, you you when you're speaking, you don't want
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to get bulletin more material. You can say that to
your teammates. Saying that out to the media is basically saying, like, man,
it is what it is. I'm out here, you're wilding.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
No, that's that's less than saying that's that's way more
than saying it is what it is. What it is
to be like, yeah, you know, you know, it's it's
it's it's not easy that that would be. It is
what it is. It's not hard at all, Like it's
not hard.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Well, how hard? But what was that answer exactly? He said,
how hard is it? Tackle? Derrick Henry? He said, not hard,
not hard. Wid Yeah, her tackle to make it's Derrick Henry.
He's about to be the leading rusher in nfls, one
of the leading rushers ever to do it.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Yeah. Yeah, listen, man, maybe they just we're gonna be watching.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
We're gonna be watching.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
Yeah, I'm sure I might pull up the street. I
ain't gonna even lie. I'm pulling up. I'm pulling up.
You know, I'm pulling up to the Steelers game already ready,
Baltimore'm gonna be there right right up the street too. Yeah,
for sure, for sure. Okay, let's let's get over here
to Detroit. So the one thing Man Johnson became known
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for his offense coordinator in Detroit was trick plays. But
Dan Campbell said trick plays or the least of his concerns.
He's getting ready for Johnson's for Johnson's offense. You know
what you can't put Johnson's Johnson Johnson john They can't say.
(21:41):
I might have to change that name, you know, he said.
He said, I don't really care about trick plays. Just
handled the meat and potatoes of the offense. A defense.
What they think you're going to hang with the defense,
what they think you're going to hang their hat on.
Let's stop that first. Let's worry about that. Let's make
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sure we're all on point and we handle that stuff.
Do you think the Bears got a shot at beating
the line.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
I think everybody has a shot because any given Sundays
early in the season. But I'm not predicting it. I'm
going I think the line's going to get things going.
I think with Dan Campbell is saying this stuff to
all the trick plays and stuff, if you have good eyes,
if you have good discipline, you know what I'm saying,
it's going to work itself out. If you start working
and wondering about the random place that they're gonna run,
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that's where you start chasing ghosts. So long as you
got I disciplined, long as you have your defensive script
ready to go, I think what he's saying is working
on the meat and potatoes knowing exactly what their bases are,
what their main things are going to do on third
down in the red zone, trick plays. As long as
we have our eyes right, we'll work that out. So
I think I don't. I think they have a shot
because it's football and it's the NFL and they're all professionals.
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But I don't think that the Bears are going to
be able to beat the lines. I think the Lions
are going to get there, get that stuff going. I'm
gonna get the running game back going, get the defense going,
and really get back to being the Lions. Because it's
early on in the season. I think that I believe
in them way more than I believe in the Bears.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
I really want to know who asked a question about
trick plays, Like who cares about the trick play? If
I'm dog walking under the trick play and go help
him nowhere, I'm one hundred percent with him. Like you
worry about the meat trick players, you don't worry, you don't.
You don't worry about the trick plays. Yes, you can
say you saw something on camera or tape or whatever
it may be and be aware of it, but me
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actually working on it unless it's something that they're doing
that is not normal. You know, you're you're a team
that you know runs, you know at least you know
ten to fifteen plays wildcare, or you give some type
of you know, uh, off formation that you don't normally
see and y'all, y'all do it at you know, a
party of offense, you know through the course of games. Then, yes,
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a trick play, we're gonna We're gonna work on a
trick play that may or may not come out, and
when they come down to it, you actually got to
be in a position to how that trick play work.
So if the if the Bears play like they did
last week, it ain't no amount of trick play it's
gonna be able to help. I don't I don't, I
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don't get I ain't gonna lie. I don't get a
Bear as a shot.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
That's just you know, that's just where I don't blame you,
especially with the same way with their coach. Even answering
that question is what a good coach is supposed to say,
in my opinion, like, no, we're gonna do the right things.
Are our discipline that's gonna handle Basically what you're saying
that's gonna handle the trick plays us. Chasing ghost is
not going to make us better football team. So I'm
with Campbell. I'm with the Lions. I think they're gonna
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beat the Bears. I think Caleb got talent. But it's
just not it's not it's it's the organization. It's the ship.
They gotta They got to get the ship right over there.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
I mean, you can well what happened to the ship
In the first quarter. The ship was going right. The
second quarter everything started going down. And the ship is
a long game, you know what I'm saying. You know
that the DeVos, ebbs and flows.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
You gotta be able to take punches, make punches, be
able to like it's momentum shifts. You know what I'm saying.
They ain't never get out of the state. You just
get one shift and then you just go the rest
of the way. You gotta be able to, you know
what I'm saying, settle the ship. You know what I'm saying,
be able to always be even killed. You know what
I'm saying. Don't get too high, don't get too low.
So I just don't think that they have it. I mean,
you just got to continue to I need more consistency
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and to play. I don't care about the high and low.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
The consistency of play will take care of, you know,
all of that versus you know, getting high and low.
I'm consistently consistently playing well. I mean, I'm not gonna
have to worry about.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
The world for sure. You said the first quarter they
were consistently playing good there and then the second quarter
consistently bad. Third quarter consistently bad, fourth quarter consistently bad.
If you're just gonna give me, at least give me
a little you know what I'm saying, something a.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Little, a little consistent they gave. They gave you a
little glimpse. So you're still holding on to him.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
For It's still early, man, it's still early. At least
they got to get if they mathematically eliminated from the playoffs.
We're not even you know what I'm saying. Like, No,
it's two way too early to start to start.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
Hanging it up. Okay, I got you, I got you.
Let's go over here. I guess ceedee. Lamb said he
couldn't sleep much over the weekend. The drops against the
Eagles bothered me. He said, I would rather nobody else
but myself be in those situations. I came up short.
Once We'll see the rest, he said. Trust me, I've
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thought about it, I've dwelled on it. I've done everything
that you could possibly imagine about this game. For those
that feel like they feel worse about the game than me,
you're absolutely wrong, see said. Yes, man, I'm gonna tell
you something right now. That's real talk. All these fans
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that be like, oh my god, I just feel so
I'm distraught, I'm this, and that these guys don't even care.
Or instead of no, no, believe me, I am so dude. Listen,
I am so happy. I do not have the ups
and downs of winning and losing and being at work
(27:27):
like I felt like I was. I was on a
roller coaster at Cedar Point, dude, like the highs is
high and the lows is low. Dude. It when you
lose a game, dude on Sunday, dude, it messes everything
until yes, it messed up everything until you get to
that that Wednesday when you start getting ready for the
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next point of Dude, my whole, my whole, my whole,
three for my whole three days dude, till we start,
I'm I'm.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Anything because anything is always so much better better to
to figure out what you did wrong or whatever on
a win than a loss. Once you lost, everything feels
like that's the reason why we lost this play could
I would have did that better? That one mistackle? I
can't Soon we watch the film. I know exactly what play.
I'm looking forward to the play. I already got the script.
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You know what it is. They showed, Oh man, I
missed that tackle and play thirteen waits we get to thirteen.
Everybody looking we in the meeting. You can't say you
know you're wrong. And that's the part too, when you're
when you're when you want to be great. Like CD,
he feels the worst because now he's in that meeting,
he knows he's the man. He wants the ball in
that situation. He knows he can make that catch. He
wants to be the only one on the on the
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Cowboys to make that catch, and when he doesn't, he
feels like shit, you know what I'm saying. Like in
his part of heart, he wants that. You know what
I'm saying. That's why I love him being able to
say it because he means it, because I would feel
the same way and I know you feel the same way.
Losing that game, every single play that whole week until Wednesday,
when you start the next week of practice preparation for
the next team. You feel like I let everybody down.
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Everybody's walking around I let so I let my boys down.
I can't wait till next week when we win and
then the players that I've messed up on. You know
what I'm saying, that's my bad, that's me. I gotta
do better. But we still won the game. Everybody's chilling.
This wasn't the reason why I be lost. Now, everybody's
still walking around the facility hype coach is good. Everybody
high five you lose. That ain't nothing funny the fuck
(29:22):
that you smiling about? You know what I'm saying, Hey,
I ain't gonna listen. I ain't gonna lie to you know.
I ain't gonna lie to you.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Hey, when I took a loss and it was playday
and I felt a little better, I ain't gonna lie
to you.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
Debo. That's real, that's real talk. That's really They make
you feel better, that make it feel better and make
you feel better, make.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
It take the loss and it ain't play the man
man I'm feeling I'm feeling trashy right there, everybody. You know,
it's so crazy, dude. I still go over like like
losses like super Bowl, That's what it is. Super Bowl.
I'm like, you know what I could have done at
this here? I know it wasn't my responsibility, but I
was there. I could have did it. Man, I missed
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that there. If I was paying attention, I could have
probably picked that there. Or I could have punched the
ball out here. Dude. Anyway, and when when I was
when we played Green Bay and we ended up losing
the Green Bay and the Super Dude, super Bowl, Dude,
I'm in my room and it's just running through my
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head like I can't stop it. I can't stop it.
And you know how they had to, you know, like
the after party all that, you know, man, we and
you know dudes, and we in the hallway, man, we
just looking at each other like mules chewing glue, man,
and everybody's like, man, I could have did this. Maybe
if I did this, Oh man, I missed that. Oh
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if I did this, Like just going through it, dude.
And finally we were just like yo, what we go
th man, We're gonna sit here and cry sober. We're
gonna cry, we go cry. Drunk Man went on Donald, Yo,
I tell you we're so glad they had no cameras. Well,
(31:11):
it's some there's some pictures out there. Just say we
was on stage like a little way in concert.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
No, you know, no shirt like you had to you
had to get it out, man, you had you had
crazy man making it.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
I ain't gon lie. I seen I seen, I seen
ca crying. Man. I'm like, yeah, I ain't about to
let them see them tears on cameras.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
I was definitely definitely listen.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
I got, I got, I got back to the hotel,
jumped in the shower, and I was like, I let
the tears run down. Can't nobody see me?
Speaker 2 (31:44):
I have been in there, y'all.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
Man, you know what I'm saying, Well next year we
got this though, right. And then that's the thing. You know,
you got guys that are like, yo, this might be
my last last time here on this team. You know
what I'm saying, Like, you know, contract up? You don't
nor if you go get like every team is a
new team, it's a different team that that comes up.
You know, That's the crazy part league.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Rather you keep. Yes, it's literally.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
Rather you keep your core or not, it's changed. It's
a whole the special teams that you know, that stuff.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
Hats as you know, start and then the draft and
then you have training camp. It's a bunch of just
new dudes. You know, normally to core, a couple of
the guys that you had there that started with you,
maybe some dudes on contracts and stuff. But every year
it's a whole lot of new dudes that come in
from OTA's to training camps to like just building a
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whole different squad. So once it ends, once that ends,
and you're like this, I don't know if I'm gonna
see these dudes. You know what I'm saying again, you
know what I'm saying, Like you never plan on not
seeing them. You know what I'm saying. You always like, man,
were working the next day. You know what I'm saying.
We got something to do with grinder, We got practice,
we got stuff going on. Season, not gonna end. We're
gonna win the super Bowl. Until next thing. You know,
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either you can't win the super Bowl, you didn't make it,
you lost in the playoff game. Shit just happens fast,
and then you know you like that, Hold up, it
just should be you know what I'm saying, It's over.
You know what I'm saying. I mean, where everybody going?
Speaker 1 (33:12):
Yeah? Very Speaking of Super Bowls, we got a Super
Bowl rematch coming up. Patrick Mahomee was asked how many
times did he watch the Super Bowl of them losing
forty to twenty two. He said, how much has he
watched the Super Bowl on his own in the weeks after?
(33:35):
He said, I mean, yeah, I mean I've watched the
game after so you have to learn from it. I mean,
it sucks you lose the game, but in order to
progress to get better the next time, you have to
watch and learn from it. And so I don't know
what exact amount of times, but you watch it, and
then you watch it in the offseason with the team
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and with the coaches, and then you watch obviously this
week as well. So I mean it sounds like he
doesn't watch this game way more times than he want
to say that. He doesn't watch it.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
Man, right there, that's three times, he said. But you
watch it, and then you watch it in the off
season with the team and the coaches, and then obviously
you watch it this week for training. So that's three
good times that he watched the joint, you know what
I'm saying. And as something like when you play against
the Eagles, you watch games and I don't know. Patrick
mahomes is the g He's a legend, He's a goat.
(34:30):
That just sucks. It sucks watching you not play to
the top of your level and then at the top
of the world playing in the super Bowl, you know
what I'm saying. So obviously it's not a game that
you want to watch, But when you're watching film, when
you're a professional like Patrick mahomes is, he watches it
when he has to. I watched it with my coaches,
I watched it on an off season, and I watched
it this week. You know what I'm saying. You really
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want to know. It's not a game that I myer watching,
but I have to study tape and I'm gonna get
better from it. I love his take on it, but
he don't want to watch the game. He didn't play well.
But you're gonna learn stuff from it. And I think that,
you know, you can learn what Philly was doing to
you to make to make the game look get that bad,
get that ugly. So I think It's not just him,
missus Lyon, it's their blitz. Is just understanding what Philly
(35:13):
did to make them look that bad. So I respect Pat,
I love Pat, and I'm saying, yeah, I watched it
with the coaches. I watched it on the off season.
I watched it.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
He watched it. He watched it three times. No, no, no,
he said he watched it in the office. He said,
I watched it one time in the off He said,
I watched it in the off season like he watched
the you know, he kept he kept watching it. I
ain't even lie to you, bro, I don't let me
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think about that. I don't really think I've watched the
whole Super Bowl that I lost. I had the misfortune
of being in two of them that are lost, one
with the Stellers, in one with the Patriots. And dude, honestly,
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I can't see.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
You I ever watched it.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
I know what I did wrong. I know, dude, I
can Yeah, I don't. I don't think I've ever like
watched in whole I'm gonna.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
Ask you this, do you think Patrick is saying that
he watched the whole game or he watched like the
like the clips. You know, what I'm saying, Like on
your iPad? Do you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
Like he's saying he's watched with coaches, he's what like
I haven't, Like I haven't watched the whole defense or
anything like I haven't watched the whole in nothing. If
I catch it it's on like TV or something like.
I have not sat down and watched that whole tape
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of any Super Bowl loss. I ain't even lost you
like for me, like I can't do nothing to get
better next week it's over and and the and the
chances of seeing them in at the same place or slim,
so you know, so I'll worry about that when that
time comes and gets closer.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
But I'm like, I haven't really watched the full But
I think you might be different from him because he
was winning him again. You know what I'm saying, he's
playing him again playing this week. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
So it could well, yeah, I can see I can
see that because yeah, after you after you get it
went wrong, so you got to check and see what
went wrong.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
You got to if you really want, you know what
I'm saying, check on bump your feelings. We try to
get better, you know what I'm saying, end of the day.
And the last time we played them was in the
Super Bowl where they spacked us.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
So then you probably watch it if you was a listen, Yeah,
that's that's not just a smack. That's like that was
a I couldn't believe it. I was a problem for sure.
That was ugly speaking speaking again, whipped on. I mean
after the coach got uh got in the uh. I
(37:59):
can't say that. Yeah, I can as if the coach
gott in, you know, and the Dolphins asked, you know,
they had a player's only meeting. Linebacker Jordan Brooks, one
of Miami's six captains, said, losing the way we did
Week one can be discouraging. Outside noise people talking, fans talking,
family talking whatever, everybody talking, but just kind of making
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sure that everybody's together. When you lose like that, it's
easy for people to get discouraged and start looking questioning,
maybe yourself and others. So just making sure that we
all lock in and make sure that the belief is
still there. You lose belief, you don't have nothing, So
(38:45):
making sure that everybody is still on the same page
can be next and come back next week stronger. Have
you had any players only meetings like this? Brother?
Speaker 2 (38:56):
I have, I have for sure?
Speaker 1 (38:57):
Have you.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
You've never had players only means.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
Like this? No, dude, I ain't gonna lie, not like
if it's a dude. No, I haven't. I have not
had a player's only meeting like that. It's for me
for you to even have to have a players only
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meeting like that after one week tells me that what
you're afraid of is already happening, and you're trying to
stop it from, you know, spreading out to other people
in the locker room that may not be feeling the
same way, and once.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
It gets to the players only me and you already lost.
So like, that's that's kind of where I was, Like,
that's just where you.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
Oh you was in Cleveland.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
I forgot how Yeah, you was real not gonna do
We're not gonna be here for the slander of the
land was slander?
Speaker 1 (40:00):
Slander means it is not true. I said, you were
real good, you go going to the Hall Wizard talking
about it's just that your team y'all, y'all didn't It's okay,
it's not really okay, But I understand that's why I
never had one of those kind of meeting.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
So let me let me go ahead tell you what
those times. So long story short, if the it's you know,
there's It was a lot of coaching staff change. We
had a different coach kind of every year we were there,
a different head coach, different offensive coordinators. So it was
a kind of different sometimes different different voice, you know
what I'm saying. So sometimes when you had vets that
were around like me, like Joe t when we had
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situations where you were just people started kind of going
for theirselves like kind of at the end of the day,
we wanted to let them know the Iron the sky
don't lie. What you don't want to do is not perform.
The thing is, your job is on the line. Even
if you're not gonna play for the Browns, you're gonna
play for somebody else, like your your tape is your resume.
It gets down to the gritty. Once you start being
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mathematically eliminated when your team cannot make the playof you
have to start telling the dudes like man bump all that,
like I'm doing you see the way I'm leading, I'm
out here because the end of the day, the iron
Scott a lie if you if we're losing games, we
got to be able to come in here and watch
the tape and it not be my fault. That's what
it's not gonna be, you know what I'm saying. So
having to have these conversations with other grown men in
situations where coaches are trying to figure out if they're
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gonna get fired, and I'm just like, I'm just trying
the ball. I'm here to hoop, and that's really kind
of all that matters. So that's when you're seeing. So
what you're saying is you're not gonna be in a
winning spot with a team only meeting, I feel I think, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:36):
So what you're saying is like, when it came down
to it, the personalities of the players that y'all would
picking led to them being a little mentally weak, if
not a lot mentally weak, and they just didn't have
the internal for the two to push through. So y'all
(41:58):
had to do a player's only meeting to try and
rob rod in to get them to get him going.
That's kind of what I'm hearing.
Speaker 2 (42:07):
Yet, I mean, it's not exactly that, but yeah, it's timing.
I mean, some you I don't know people, have you
ever been in a I've been in. I've never been in.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
I've never been in that situations saying you know, I'm
it's mesurgh.
Speaker 2 (42:23):
It's definitely some situations where we've been into that have
been kind of off where you know, you just gotta
really the end of the day, it is a business,
but they don't lie your Your resume is what you
put on tape. So when you want to be a professional,
end the day, you go, oh to sixteen, Those I mean,
I'm in one to fifteen. Those are not stable organizations.
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Coaches know that they're about to get fired. People are
walking into the spot not knowing that their jobs like
secure or not. So that's where you in the joint.
I know I'm here, I'm ball, I'm doing what I
gotta do, and it's not the problems over your head,
you know what I'm saying. Like, that's why I look
at Chicago Sometimes sometimes your job is to do what
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you do. You come in there to do your one elevens.
You know what I'm saying. If you're a quarterback, you
be a best quarterback you can do. You come in there,
you train your own time, and you think that your
coaches and the organization are competent enough to put you
in the position to win. There's not things that you
need to be handling that you start handling when you're
in a position where the other people aren't doing it,
you know what I'm saying. So that's just kind of
where I don't I that was my particular situation, and
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when I'm looking at it from the Dolphins, I'm not
in that locker room. But when I'm hearing like these
dudes looking like, man, I don't want y'all just people
just out of there like I don't care. But at
the end of the day, you're just trying to The
situation may not be the best for what you need
to do is come out here.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
You have to perform your Your job is NFL. I
understand what you're saying, like the players only. I'm with
you on that. As far as a player's only meeting,
I think I think you've lost it now. We got
a players only meeting. That means that the leadership that
is in place, who would be you know, your your coaches,
your head coach, your coordinators, y'all are feeling like they
(44:05):
aren't either given what is going to be needed to
move forward and produce a different outcome. Yeah, I don't.
I don't think the players only meeting does anything. I
think anybody that I had a player's only meeting, they
probably lost their coach in the year or two. I
don't know how many coaches did y'all after a players
(44:27):
only meeting loose?
Speaker 2 (44:28):
I mean we probably I haven't been a part of
too many players only meeting. It's probably about two, probably
about two or maybe three, and each one of the
coaches definitely was five.
Speaker 1 (44:38):
Yeah, I don't. I don't think a player is only meeting.
I think it could help, But if I gotta like,
you're a grown man in a professional sport. This is
your livelihood. It should be nothing that's going to like
mentally take you out of it. Like, yeah, physically you
could get hurt all the other stuff, but like you
(44:58):
got to go out there.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
You can see how just how people not rocking with
playing time. You can see how I do this as
a professional. It could be like this nothing, I'm not
rocking with it. We losing, y'all tripping. You know what
I'm saying. I'm not rocking with it. You know what
I'm saying? Like that is people do that. You know
what I'm saying, Like they're not locking their playing time.
Speaker 1 (45:17):
They yeah, but but a player's only meeting would not
be something that a player that is this this grunnle
about his playing time, that wouldn't be a player's mean,
that would be a head coach thing. You see what
I'm saying, Like you're when you do a player's only meeting,
you're saying that the majority of my team is out
here talking about we are down bad and this is
(45:38):
getting ugly. What just happened behind me? And my life
go out?
Speaker 2 (45:43):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (45:43):
I mean I think it did. Anyway, go ahead, No,
you used to look straight. No, I think my life
just went out. Somebody, somebody tell me my life went out.
I think my life went out in my life. It
had to. Yeah, my life went out. That's what it was. Yeah,
my life went out. Oh my goodness, dude, this is
(46:08):
this is out of control. Man. I'm gonna have to
fix that before four things get uh get too dark? Here?
Do it look good? Still? Y'all? Still still solid? Bro?
You're still solid? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (46:20):
Solid?
Speaker 1 (46:20):
That's all I need to make sure. Now, I make
sure I was solid.
Speaker 2 (46:24):
Yeah, this is what happens when you when I'm not
a fan of the players only meanings. I don't feel
like you need like that's when you're not in a
like in a good spot like that. You said, if
you haven't been a part of one, that's good. That's
a good thing.
Speaker 1 (46:39):
Okay, Well, if you had to do something to reserve
this team, what would you do? What would you be?
What would be your first step in trying to get
the Dophins back on track? First, it starts with tour.
I don't, I don't, I'm not I'm not the biggest
to a fan. I'm not the biggest to a fan.
Speaker 2 (47:00):
I don't know. And he's never been my favorite quarterback.
I don't know how.
Speaker 1 (47:07):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (47:07):
I don't know if they can build around him. And
then with Tyreek Hill too, they just not getting along.
I think he needs to he might have to keep
They might got to do something with him too. I'm
just Miami the coach. We had their coach. He was
a coach. He was the wide receiver coach for me
when we were in Cleveland. Great, brilliant, brilliant, brilliant mind.
(47:27):
I think he might be one of the best. Maybe
maybe just put him in an offensive coordinator role. I
don't know if he's ready for the head coaching spot.
I mean, he was doing a great job, but I
just think just letting him just do one thing and
let somebody else may be come and be a head coach.
I think they made it a new voice. That's just
my thought.
Speaker 1 (47:44):
What do you think that's Yeah, that's that's where I
ain't gonna lie, don't you know? That's where I would
go with it. I would. I mean for this year,
I think you just roll out with what you got
going and trying trying for nake of it. Yeah, some way,
shape or form, But I think it's time just to.
Speaker 2 (48:06):
It's a lot of noise going on over there. Man,
it's a lot of so much.
Speaker 1 (48:12):
It's not one thing that I could do that would
just make it happen.
Speaker 2 (48:17):
Many moving parts right now going on over there.
Speaker 1 (48:22):
And then yeah you can't. Well you could get rid
of to Rick, but then what you got now I
was about to get rid of that.
Speaker 2 (48:30):
Look, rebuild, get as much as you possibly can. You said,
go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, and not like I'm
saying in the bad way, Tybreek Kill is great. That's
where they'll be able to get some good stuff for him,
but he's not happy.
Speaker 1 (48:44):
You know what you think they can get for him? Though?
Would you what would you get for Tyreek?
Speaker 2 (48:50):
What would I give a Tree Kill?
Speaker 1 (48:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (48:55):
Two first round picks? Oh yep, because I know I
got him, but I got him. Yeah, I'll give two
first round picks. He gonna be an instance. He gonna
instantly be a He's instantly gonna be still cheated Tyreek Kill.
Speaker 1 (49:09):
It's not his fault. You see him, you see him,
You see him being able to make it back to Kency.
Speaker 2 (49:15):
I don't know about the relationship. Man. I didn't like
him to come to Pittsburgh. That'd be crazy.
Speaker 1 (49:21):
I heard. I heard rumbles that they offered him something.
Speaking of Pittsburgh, Buddy, Aaron Rodgers could surpass b far
for career touchdowns on Sunday. I will be at that game, dude,
I will be at that game. Rogers has thrown for
a five hundred and seven regular season touchdown passes Far
(49:43):
retired with five oh eight. He could pass him in
that game. All he gotta do is throw two of them. Tuddies.
Speaker 2 (49:49):
Man.
Speaker 1 (49:50):
If Rogers throws two touchdowns on Sunday against the Seahawks,
he'll tie far for the fourth one touchdown. Sorry, he'll
type far for the fourth mo in NFL history. If
you throw two, he goes take him over obviously, So
Rogers actually, oh, he got a long way to go
before he gets to Brady. Brady got six regulously. Yes, yeah.
(50:15):
Second is Breeze with five seventy one, followed by Peyton
with five thirty nine. I guess Rogers has a chance
to pass Peyton, though we'll see. Twenty nine is crazy
work out of control, out of dude, out of.
Speaker 2 (50:33):
Uncle Tom was launching them joints.
Speaker 1 (50:37):
Dude. I'll tell you what, man, I wanted that, Like
I said before, I wanted to hate that dude when
I went there, man, just because just playing against him.
Never met he never you know, knew of his personal nothing.
You know what I'm saying. And I get there. As
soon as I get there, you know, like I said,
he the first person pop up, Hey man, how you doing?
I'm Tom Brady. I'm like, man, I know the fuck
you look coming like talking like introducing yourself, you know
(51:02):
what I'm saying. So I'm sitting back. I'm like, yeah,
let me watch him, manrust I'm like, I know, let
me sit back and watch this. I know he fakes
hell trying to set me up. Sit back, man, I'm
washing him. Man, same thing, dude, you know, practice squad dude,
come in, you know, just watching him all week, seeing
(51:23):
him move around. Dude. And I'm sitting there and uh,
he's on the table like next to me, and I'm like, yo,
I got a confession to make, man, I ain't gonna
lie man when I wanted when I came here, Man,
I want to hate you, I said, but you're a
good dude. Man.
Speaker 2 (51:35):
I see what everybody.
Speaker 1 (51:39):
And he messed with everybody sold like.
Speaker 2 (51:42):
I'm happy to hear.
Speaker 1 (51:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (51:44):
Yeah, but I'm at Do you think do you think
he's gonna you think you being there, you think you're
gonna break the record? You think not break the record,
but past brad Off.
Speaker 1 (51:56):
Oh yeah, dude, here that far.
Speaker 2 (51:57):
I need to throw one the time into the past.
Speaker 1 (52:02):
Yeah, he go, he go get he go get far.
No matter what, that's gonna happen, the one that paid.
I think it's yes, that that's gonna be very that's
that's gonna be I think that's gonna be a little questionable.
He still play three out if he if he do
that or you think he going on he through eight. Listen,
(52:23):
he threw four last week on average. A four game
averaging for a game is crazy work, Listen. That was
just that was just you know, that was an average.
That's what the average is right now for a game.
Speaker 2 (52:39):
So I'm going and that's for eight touchdown through seven
touchdowns through.
Speaker 1 (52:48):
Through listen through seventeen games through eight.
Speaker 2 (52:51):
Touchdowns and what we're talking about, it's possible, it is possible.
Speaker 1 (52:58):
He averaging four right now to day, right as of today,
as of today, he's on, he's on, he's on target
for sixty eight on pace.
Speaker 2 (53:07):
On sixty eight. And if he gets sixty eight, sixty
down you heard it, lot, he gets sixty Yeah, he
passing Drew Brees too, Aaron pace, she gets sixty eight,
He passes Drew Brees and Peyton Manning.
Speaker 1 (53:19):
Yes, that's I mean, that's where it's as a pace right.
Speaker 2 (53:24):
As a pace. To make sure you say as a
pace right now, because.
Speaker 1 (53:27):
That's as a pace right now, my man. Aaron Rodgers
is on on for sixty eight touchdowns. She averaged three dpo.
Speaker 2 (53:36):
He had fifty one, hey, bro, averaging.
Speaker 1 (53:41):
I ain't gonna like to average three is hard too,
That's what I'm saying. You said, I know, I know,
I've ever heard you had to you tried to drop
it down like it was realistic. I'm just up here
talking hell of boatka. Ok, I'm trying.
Speaker 2 (53:54):
I'm just you know, because we got my numbers, guy,
I just got to see what it's looks like.
Speaker 1 (54:00):
A right, Speaking of numbers, the number one overall pick
Cam Warris debut didn't look great. They they but they
failed WHOA but they failed to tell the whole stories
or Its completion rates was affected by mistakes from his
head coach plus several drops from his receivers. The quarterback, however,
(54:23):
hasn't lost confidence in his past catchers. He says, I
am never going to go I'm never going to get
on these guys for dropping the ball. I'm going to
throw a pick at some point in the season. So
bad players are going to happen. The biggest thing is
when we get back to the huddle, we have to
(54:44):
always have a next play mentality. I'm not too worried
about that. These boys are going to play. These boys
are going to catch the ball. MM what do you
I like?
Speaker 2 (54:57):
The young quarterback, believing in his guys. I saw him
out there when I watched the game, and I think
he has a great presence. And like he said too,
they were dropping some good passes that he was throwing
to them in the fourth quarter, like trying to leave
them back. So I just love the way he still
believes in him. He knows he's a young quarterback. He's
gonna have he's gonna have bad times when he needs
them to believe in him, be like pick him up.
(55:18):
So same time, just not putting his teammates, like not
not not not being mean to his teammates, so like
throwing them under the bus. I think that's a sign
of a good quarterback. That's like building confidence in those guys.
So they want to do they want to do better
for him. And at the same time, like we said earlier,
they feel terrible, they want to make those plays, so
not jumping on them adding to it when you know
(55:39):
these dudes care, they feel bad, your quarterback is standing
up for you. So I think in the future they're
gonna try to work a little harder obviously, and hopefully
those hopefully they catch those passes. But this is a
good sign of him just being a good leader.
Speaker 1 (55:53):
Yeah, yeah, I have one agree with you on that,
especially you know him saying that, you know it's going
to come a point in time where you know he's
not gonna he's not going to be doing as well,
and you know he's hoping he's going to get the
same you know, treating that you you know, you treat
somebody how you want to be treated. You know he's
going to be there. Uh, you support him. He's hoping
that they'll they'll do the same thing for him. Great,
(56:14):
great God, great, great person or mentality to have as
a quarterback, especially when you're you know, you're the QB
and you're the leader of that. That's yeah, it's it
can it can't get any any better than them. But
before we get to the ticket winners, we got some
(56:35):
super chats. Jo Lisa Lynch donated twenty Instaid. Go ahead, Lisa, Lisa,
She said, love you too. God, bless God, Bless you
to Lisa Lynch. God is good. Yes, he is my
(56:57):
good man brother. Debo. That is good. Come on your time,
okay and all the time God, what what you thought?
I grew up in the church depot. Let's go okay,
so listen, drum roll. If I drum this thing, this
thing might fall the moment we've all been waiting for
(57:21):
our two ticket winners Joe Winner number one name, No,
we're going to go with Instagram. We're going to go
with all of it. Jane Jang big Dingman Instagram, still
(57:48):
City Underscore j D. You are the first winner of
two tickets to the Stillers season opener. As we go
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DK goa come out of there with probably a buck
seventy five three tugs and Roger go through another one
(58:13):
to somebody else took on my average and four touchdowns.
All right, so whoa, here we go. Winner number two
(58:33):
Olivia Rainy Instagram, Short one eighty five. She's a short
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the two tickets to the Stillest season open.
Speaker 2 (58:55):
With the Boss. The shout out to James, shout out
to Olivia, congratulations, y'all gonna have a blast.
Speaker 1 (59:07):
You you guys are really going to have a blast.
It's going to be a great time had by all.
And uh we go ball and see I'm getting we
gonna getting French again. So so this is what we
want you to do.
Speaker 3 (59:24):
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for joining us for this episode of Three and Joe.
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(59:46):
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Speaker 1 (59:49):
Thought.
Speaker 2 (59:49):
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