Deon Cole Part 2

The conversation continues with Deon Cole discussing his experiences of cheating and threesomes, including a bad one he had in Atlanta with a WNBA player, and why he believes social media has fundamentally changed dating and relationships. He touches on his personal style, recounting how he was labeled "gay" for wearing bell-bottom pants early in his career, and how the backlash from the Black community hurt him even as it opened doors to a new audience.

Deon reflects on the lack of unity in the Black community and explains why negativity often seems louder than positivity. He and Shannon share their thoughts on Hollywood parties, with Deon admitting he prefers smaller, intimate gatherings to big, flashy events.

The conversation turns to the Diddy situation and Hollywood parties, where Deon shares insights on how billionaires move differently. He also recounts when Jay-Z declined to take a picture with him and his time writing jokes for celebrities like Conan O'Brien, Snoop Dogg, and Katt Williams. He and Shannon address the fallout from Shannon’s viral interview with Katt earlier in the year, with Deon explaining how that interview sparked a trend of people making outlandish statements just to go viral and how it revealed that comics aren’t always buddy-buddy, while Shannon explains how he approaches conducting interviews.

Deon talks about Netflix’s “Netflix Is a Joke” brunch, which featured himself alongside Dave Chappelle, Kevin Hart, Katt Williams, Tiffany Haddish, Lil Rel, and Mike Epps. He recounts Katt Williams leaving the brunch before Kevin Hart arrived but assures there was no tension between the two.

Towards the end, Deon shares a story about kissing Amber Rose on the set of Black-ish and weighs in on the Jonathan Majors situation. With a blend of humor, insight, and storytelling, this episode is packed with unforgettable moments, celebrity shoutouts, and Deon Cole’s signature comedic style.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Thank you for you're coming back. Part two is underway.
Have you ever got caught cheating? I did.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
I got caught cheating. I was living with this girl
and came home, turned the light and the other girl
I was dating within that within the house with her.

Speaker 1 (00:23):
I was like, I got the wrong apart.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
And they both was like this, yeah, yeah, motherfucker. And
what you're gonna do now?

Speaker 1 (00:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (00:30):
And I sat there comments I was camping there, I was.
I was cool as the funds. I sat there with
looking at both of them, and they did all day,
what you gotta say? Nine? What you gotta say?

Speaker 1 (00:43):
Nine?

Speaker 2 (00:43):
I was cool as ice. I just said, who's gonna
stay with me? Which one of y'all gonna stay with me?
That's why I'm explained to wow. And one of them
was like, see, I knew you didn't came, motherfucking and left,
and the other one sat there and was crying. I say,
you leaving too, And she just sat there and she
was like, and that's why I explained it to and

(01:06):
me and her he kept it going cold. If I
haven't get I'm only explaining one time, explaining one time
to one person.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
You are you are you? And you who am I
talking to Wow?

Speaker 2 (01:24):
I talked to her me and her. We was cool.
I told exactly what happened on Surreal Ship. So what
about marriage? Would I get married? Yeah? I would like
to get married. I would like to get married. But
like again, it's gotta be like it's gotta be with
that motherfucker, that friend man. No stress, no, none of that.

(01:48):
Even if you feel stressed, you gotta you gotta believe
in yourself that this ain't ship, This ain't bigger than us.
You can't keep making situations bigger than us. Like you
have to understand situation at hand and know that if
we are going to grow together, we're gonna constantly have
issues because the level that we are on now, we

(02:09):
got illicual issues on that level, right, you know what
I mean? Now we go here, it's new issues with
this shit. It might be I gotta be out of
you might have to be out of town more. I
gotta be out of time more. Now that asthma, trust
you know what I mean. Now we get to this level.
We got a new house, we got new that. Now
we got new neighbors and shit, now we got to
do this and do that. And the house we got different

(02:31):
issues with the house, like we got different issues with
the house. Like it's level, but for every level, it's
a new devil, you know what I mean, And so
therefore you have to deal with that. But you cannot
let that be greater than where you're trying to go
in your situation. And you have to learn from that

(02:51):
from each level. A lot of people they go to
another level and then they argue and they never think that, no,
we got another issue. We got differ on this different level.
If we're now making money and we successful, that's gonna
come with extra holes, extra niggas and shit like that.
And so therefore you gotta be able to handle that,
you know what I mean, And you gotta be able

(03:11):
to deal with that. And then it's gonna come to
another level where you won't even spend time together, you
know what I mean, And you got to be able
to be cool with that. So you gotta be able
to hit You got to be able to know that
we are bigger than any issue on this level. Until
I find that woman, then we're good. But we definitely
have to grow together and have some issues in order

(03:35):
to grow.

Speaker 1 (03:35):
I heard you talk, and I hear the pain, the
love and your voice for your mom? Are you looking
for that and to make you say that was your
right hand? You say there was a place that you
could always go and you could lay and it was perfect.
And you haven't found that in that one person. Are

(03:56):
you looking for that and to mate?

Speaker 2 (04:03):
So I searched for that love and it doesn't exist.

Speaker 1 (04:11):
You know that's unconditional, But so your partner's gonna love
you under conditions. You don't cheat, you don't hurt me,
you don't lie to me, you don't do anything. Your
mom is gonna look, you could do the most heinous.
She's gonna say, yeah, that boy wrong and he deserved it.
Whatever happens, but that's my baby. Yes, that's unconditional. I'm
not so sure outside of the family dynamic you can

(04:36):
get that.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
You can't. And you search for it when you miss it.
When you miss it, that's when you miss it. You
don't even realize what unconditioned. No one who still has
their parents even know what unconditional love is. Right now,
I don't think they know. They just know that they
love their parents. You know, unconditional love when you no longer,

(05:01):
when you no longer have that shit, you'd be like, Oh,
that's what that was, and you search for it and
you can't find it. I've lost women trying to find that,
you know what I mean. I lost people in my
life trying to find that, you know. But I also
lost people in my lives in my life from not
allowing me to be different, you know what I mean.

(05:24):
I'm no longer the same and I never would be
the same. So any anything that you expect from me
of how I used to be, and I'm not doing that.
I honestly think you selfishly around men for your own
good because of how I make you feel, But you're
not willing to convert your feelings towards me, you know

(05:47):
what I mean, So me trying to find that in women,
I no longer do that. And I admit that I
think I have done that because I was looking for
that feeling I couldn't find it, and I accepted the
fact that that is gone and it's never coming back.

(06:07):
And so now I feel kind of like the love
that's there can't compete with that. So I'm not as
gung hole when I have to. I have to train
my mind to go that this is a different love
that you have to invest in and you have to
build it and grow it and build it to something.

(06:30):
It would never be this, And you have to stop
comparing and people who lose people, You have to stop
comparing loves because you'll be miserable your whole day. You
have to go, this was that and that's over. Now
you have to build another kind of love and another
kind of trust with this person. Then can stop comparing
and searching for this because you would never you would

(06:50):
never have this ever again, you know what I mean.
And so that's that's why I am with it right
now where I'm like not trying to put that upon
people and deal with it myself and uh and just
and just keep it moving. You know.

Speaker 1 (07:07):
Are you willing to change for a woman?

Speaker 2 (07:09):
Yes, I am. I'm willing to change definitely.

Speaker 1 (07:11):
And I and.

Speaker 2 (07:12):
I and I have changed, you know, I've changed totally.

Speaker 1 (07:17):
You know.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
Uh, in my older years, I'm no longer thinking the
way that I used to think. You know, I used
to think about career and jokes and stuff like that,
and now my mind is different, you know, I'm older.
I'm thinking about legacy, you know what I'm thinking about,
you know, kid like setting up you know, like, yeah,
my son, making sure my son is straight.

Speaker 1 (07:40):
You know you want more kids? I don't know.

Speaker 2 (07:43):
I mean maybe I'm not sure. You know what I'm saying.
I met personally, I don't feel like I really want
to right now. I feel like I'm too old to
have a kid. And you know what I mean. I
just feel like, you know, I wish I would have
had more around the same time I had my son.
But again that's over.

Speaker 1 (08:01):
You know what I mean. But but you see how
quick you said you're willing to change. Yeah, majority of
the women are willing to change. He better accept me
how I am. You see how quick demand was willing
you said, I'll be willing to change. Men are always
asked to change. Women accept me as I am.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
Yeah, And that's real and and that's that's a word.
And look, that's where a lot of disconnect is, you
know what I mean, because they're not willing to change
and play they play their position in a sense. They
may not because they go, hey, take me as I
am or not, because that's how everybody else does. They

(08:37):
take them how they are. When it's like, no, you
have to you have to make this thing work for
you. You got to look at how the good in this
person and see what they can bring, what value they
can bring, and then work from that. If you really
think this person can elevate you love wise, money wise, spiritually,
then invest in this person, you know what I mean.

(09:00):
Don't don't come with just your ways and your ways
only and think that this is supposed to happen, because yes,
it's gonna be some people that will adjust to yours,
but then they'll be miserable. And can you live with
that person being miserable in your life? Like, like you
you don't even want that, you know what I mean?
Like I don't want to know. If I'm not bringing

(09:21):
you joy, we shouldn't even be around each other at all.
I went out with a with a woman who wanted
a kid, and I told her. I was like, man,
it was the hardest thing in the world. Where I
was like, you just gotta I want you to go
high your kid. You'll find love again, but you gotta go.

(09:43):
You gotta go high your kid, you know. And it
was the hardest thing in the world. But I'm the
type of guy where I'm like, I want you to
have joy and I want you to live.

Speaker 1 (09:51):
You be mad at me because I denied you the
ability to be.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
Exactly and I don't want to live with that, and
I don't want to live with you looking at me
all day long going you know what I mean? And
so I want you to do whatever it is you
need to do in order for you to be happy.
I'm big on if it makes you happy, it don't
got to make sense whatever it is. If it makes
you happy, it don't have to make sense whatever your

(10:14):
situation is. If you got a husband, or you got
a wife, and y'all got some people on the side,
and y'all taking care of y'all told you, man, that's
your business, and you do that as long as it
makes you happy. It don't have to make sense only
for you, only to you. Right.

Speaker 1 (10:34):
Where are you on interracial dating?

Speaker 2 (10:37):
I think nowadays, man, there's so much shit to like
worry about in the world. Why would you care about
who dating who you know? But me personally? Like what
I date outside my race, I don't think so, No,
not at all, Like not like being a full blown
relationship like that. I'm not saying that I wouldn't. I
don't know what to happen, you know what I'm saying.

(10:58):
Anytime I say I won't do something.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
It happens I lead this interview.

Speaker 2 (11:03):
I've walked down the street with the white woman right
out of this interview. Look what you're doing. Like I said,
I said, I will, and that's why I got her
right now because I said so. It's like, you know,
it's like again, if it makes you happy nowadays, go
with it, Like I'm just all about people having enjoyed

(11:24):
because there's so many haters out here. There's so many
people that disrespect you. It's so much hate. There's so
much hate online comments, all that shit. It's just hatred.
And it's like, dude, whatever makes you happy, just go
do that shit, Go do that ship, Go get happy
and get out the way, because these motherfuckers are here

(11:45):
to destroy you. They don't care what it is. They
are gonna leed negative comments. I just don't. I don't
get how they are right now in the world, you
know what I mean. One day I looked at Dwayne
Wade page. Dude, I could the hatred that's on that
man's page.

Speaker 1 (12:02):
It's like, that's that man's really they want the man
to disown this child, that's your child. How did that?
What does that affect you?

Speaker 2 (12:14):
Bru it's the most weirdest shit in the world. And
why do you think your opinion matters? I feel like
this ain't no fortune. Five hundred motherfucker leaving no bad
comment nobody because they ain't gonna fuck up their own shit.
And it ain't got time to leave negative comments. It
ain't something positive or something you want to leave out
that then why would you leave that? So anybody leave

(12:34):
a negative comment? No, you showing, you showing your economic situation.
You should not be doing that shit.

Speaker 1 (12:41):
If you don't like what this man or this woman
hath going on their life? Why are you following them?

Speaker 2 (12:46):
Why you It's so this how fucked up everybody is.
They will follow a motherfucker they do not like, just
to see what this motherfucker do every day. And fuck
they hold they up, Yes, they hold baby fucked up.
Were looking at what this person do. What all you
gotta do is unfollow.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
I name the person, get it. Then name the person
that don't like a particular food, but theyn go to
that restaurant to eat. Name So you don't like this person,
why are you following them?

Speaker 2 (13:17):
Why are you fining? And it's so bizarre, That's what
I mean it's like the hatred and they want to
keep up with what that person is doing, and they
feel like they want to see what they do. It's
so bizarre. People be on my page and they be
like leaving the nastiest ship, and I'd be like, why
do you what do you think? What do you want

(13:38):
me to do about your comment? And I never met
you a day in my life? Right, what do you
want me to do about that shit? There's nothing I
can do about it. I don't even know you. I
told you, man, I'm telling you Like Martin Luther King
and them, they couldn't have had pages. Hell no, they
couldn't have page. They couldn't have pages. It's like it's

(13:59):
like you you have a device where you can touch
someone that you admire.

Speaker 1 (14:05):
You could talk to them. That didn't happen on Iday,
No did it? You can talk to We never had that.
We never had that kind of action, couldn't do.

Speaker 2 (14:13):
You can talk to James or Jones and you can
do that. Now you have you have the ability to
reach out to who inspires you, and you your time
to be yes, what are you doing?

Speaker 1 (14:28):
What are you doing?

Speaker 2 (14:29):
Why didn't you ask them some economics ship or.

Speaker 1 (14:33):
Howah the business or ask them about relationship advice or
whatever it is, you know, and I think the best
I just want to throw this out there.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
The best relationship care that you can have is watching
a stand up special. I just want to throw that
out there.

Speaker 1 (14:48):
Have you ever did that?

Speaker 2 (14:51):
And I ain't even just saying mine, but have you
ever watched the sand stand up special with a woman? And?

Speaker 1 (14:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (14:57):
And what the comic was talking about, y'all discuss because
they'll talk about relationshipship right. Yeah, it's great. Any couple
should watch the stand up special in there that helped
that situation. I just want to throw that out there.

Speaker 1 (15:09):
Hold on, I heard you had a bad experience with
a threesome in Atlanta. What made you experience? What made
you want to try that?

Speaker 2 (15:17):
Well, one of the girls was in the NBA, the
w NBA, and that was kind of odd. Okay, I
talked about it in my special.

Speaker 1 (15:25):
I know you did.

Speaker 2 (15:26):
Yeah, but that was a real situation.

Speaker 1 (15:28):
Yeah. We Uh.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
This girl was like, yeah, yeah, I want to get
down with you and I was like.

Speaker 1 (15:33):
Yeah, I was like I want to get down with
you too.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
Like yeah, She's like, I'm gonna call my girl up.
I was like, man, whoa.

Speaker 1 (15:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
I was like, let's go to the room. We go
to the room, and she walked in that mouter fact.
She was like six five hooper hooper hooper, like knee
bandy Jones. She came in there like what's happening? What
we're doing?

Speaker 1 (15:55):
And I was like, see see that ain't me. I wouldn't.
I didn't. Never thought I'm old school, dug. I like
my women like basketball one on one, one on one.
You never had no, no, no, why my attention span

(16:15):
ain't too long? What I need to focus on this right?
What I got right here? Okay, I'm right here.

Speaker 2 (16:22):
So really, never have you ever been approached? Yeah and
you turned it down? Yeah, yeah, it's okay.

Speaker 1 (16:32):
Yeah me. I think the biggest thing is because I'm
afraid because really, prior to becoming who I was who
I am now, I mighta would have done it, but
I had already started to become a known commodity. And
the last things I say to nah, it ain't it ain't. Yeah,
it ain't worth it. So I have to be I

(16:53):
have to be careful of certain situations now. But I mean,
I like, man, I'm trying to be because you hear
people talk about it.

Speaker 2 (17:01):
So look if the woman that you deal with, if
she came to you, it's like, man, I got a
young lady that I want to join us this evening
and you trust her, Yeah, you wouldn't do it?

Speaker 1 (17:16):
Yeah, you know what all do? No I would. I'm
not gonna lie.

Speaker 2 (17:26):
No. I wouldn't say do it just with anybody, but
I would say that do it with some people that
you trust and that y'all you know, y'all know each
other and you know it's good.

Speaker 1 (17:34):
But man, this is I got total vision. I have
a singular focus. Yeah, I got the task in hand.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
I got it and and I'm all about that too,
absolutely focused.

Speaker 1 (17:44):
Because somebody gonn get left out?

Speaker 2 (17:45):
Three threesome, Like would you be jealous if that's probably
what it is? Wouldn't want to see them.

Speaker 1 (17:51):
Get downe they didn't do whatever? But I like, you
don't answer me like that ain't not even that's never
been my thing though it ain't never there ain't never
been my bag.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
Yeah, Like I focused on one person definitely, But if
the situation a right and it and and it work out,
because I've turned down that ship a gazillion times. But
the situations that has happened where I'm like, yeah, yeah,
this is cool, you know, and it worked out and
it was and it was beautiful, and I've had it
where it wasn't beautiful. Yeah, it was like you know,

(18:31):
it was like two girls they just left me out.
What Yeah, that wall, I don't even take that. I'm waiting.

Speaker 1 (18:41):
I'm waiting on.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
I'm waiting to get tapped in, like.

Speaker 1 (18:45):
Hold man, now, come on that.

Speaker 2 (18:48):
I'm trying to every every ain't like get I'm trying
you get to double that, you get ready. I was like,
all right, let me go get on my phone.

Speaker 1 (19:01):
Fucking what I think you're in your special laws where
women younger women called an older man mister.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
Yeah, that's all. That's an eye opening, ain't it. Yeah?

Speaker 1 (19:14):
I mean I'm at the age that used to be older.
I remember when I was I was a teenager who
it was old.

Speaker 2 (19:32):
Old old, No, no, no, I mean that's an eye opener.
That's why I name my special that. Okay, mister, it's
like that simple phrase, That simple phrase sums up everything
about you when you're getting older. When the woman goes
okay or a young lady goes okay, mister or mister,

(19:54):
you know what time it is or sir? And then
that shiit you like, oh my god, I'm the chaperone
in the party. You just be like Joah, I gotta
get out of here. I gotta go.

Speaker 1 (20:08):
How has it been for you dealing with inevitable you're
becoming older?

Speaker 2 (20:15):
It's uh, it's something else, you know, it's it's it's
it's it's like the women are like, wow that like
the older women they wow, now Jack, Oh, the ones
that been married for thirty years, twenty years finally divorced.

(20:36):
I ain't had nobody else but him. Oh they out here,
they are here strong, they like, yeah, oh yeah, they
out here, Like wow, what about I'm young one to
see the young ones, the young ones not to you? Yeah,
I can't. I can't.

Speaker 1 (20:52):
You know what's the cut off? What's the cutoff? I mean,
you won't go below.

Speaker 2 (20:57):
Twenty eight?

Speaker 1 (20:58):
Too low? I think thirty two thirty five.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
They got to have an older spirit. If their spirit
is older than then then I'm cool, you know what
I mean, Like they're very mature and cool, then cool.
But yeah, just yeah, yeah, that's that's that's what I
kind of look for. Just how mature you and how
do you hold your own or whatever. But you can't
be having no future posters hanging up on your wall

(21:24):
and ship like kind of Amigo's posters.

Speaker 1 (21:30):
So there is there an age that's too young for
the Oh yeah, it's.

Speaker 2 (21:34):
Like twenty three, twenty twenty five. Yeah, like that's that's
young man.

Speaker 1 (21:39):
I thought you were supposed to go happen. I thought
you're supposed to go half your age plus seventh?

Speaker 2 (21:44):
Who told you that?

Speaker 1 (21:48):
I thought that was your grandma said, really, I thought
it was.

Speaker 2 (21:53):
So if you're gonna havelf your age plus seventh, I
ain't never heard that in my life, half your age
plus seven? Yes, sow twenty five, thirty to thirty two?
I've never heard that. What's the plus seven for?

Speaker 1 (22:06):
That's your cutoff? So half your age? You fifty right? Right?
Plus seven? Thirty two, so you'll cut off you'll be
thirty two. So anything from thirty two moving forward you good?
I mean thirty Why are you adding seven? If they
about to be thirty one? If they're about to be
thirty two or a couple of months, that'd be good too.
But wait a minute, why do you why do you
add to that was just the thing. Actually, I think

(22:28):
Why wouldn't.

Speaker 2 (22:28):
You add five or nine? Why is it seven? I
just old her saying, oh, that's some of the Southern
sh you grew up, which is cool. I ain't at
the South.

Speaker 1 (22:40):
But but why is why is it that people get
upset the older men that date younger women. Have you
dealt with that?

Speaker 2 (22:48):
Man, I've seen it happen a lot of times. I
just know, I don't know me personally, I like, you know,
it's got some type of connect it's got to be
some type of almost connecting with struggle, you know what
I mean. You're trying to get that out the park.

(23:10):
I don't know that park. I'm like, I can't, I
don't know. Like, yes, I would be lying if I
didn't say that I dealt with I've had dealings with
younger women before, but even then, I just was like,
you know, just it just it was something that just

(23:31):
you know, I don't know, you know, I don't know.
It's kind of it's kind of odd. But like I
said that, they act very very much. Yeah, yeah, it's
all love or whatever, you know, but not now if
they like selfie in and and like I can't, man, no,
I'm out of there. If I see all that should happened,
but you.

Speaker 1 (23:50):
Will get that self away. There was this viral video
that you posted. I think you had on some bail
bottom gen oh shit, and then all of a sudden
you and you come out with the bill bottom jeans.
Then it seems to be a thing now because everybody,
even even dress slacks, have a little wider bottom. Every

(24:11):
seems like everything goes back to the seventies because that
was the thing in the seventies everybody had, why everybody had,
and all of a sudden, dion Gate. Dude.

Speaker 2 (24:21):
It was the wildest shit ever. I was just on
some James Brown shit. The whole outfit looked like James
war that he did wear, and I was just like, man,
I'm like this this is dope, you know. And I
was like, I'm a rock this shit and wore that shit, man,
And I don't know why that shit went out the gate.
To this day, I still don't understand that shit. I
lost jobs I had people could come into my shows.

(24:43):
I'm what, man, because of my outfit. I had a
woman tell me one time she was like, man, I
wish I could come to your show. And my boyfriend
was like, I'm You're not going to that gaya ass
niggas show like and because you people stopped fucking with me,
even people in the business, they stopped fucking with me
over that. And I just could not believe that ship.
I was like, wow, over outfit, but here go to

(25:06):
he go to il shit. Henry Styles from from One Direction.
He wore the same suit maybe a month later praised him.
He was in GQ magazine with the same not a
version the same because it was a Gucci suit different.
I get that, but still in awe. He was praised

(25:26):
and won awards for wearing that suit. And it's like,
it's almost like your people, our people there they're ship
on some ship and don't have nothing to replace it with, you.

Speaker 1 (25:37):
Know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (25:37):
They'd be like, get your ass out of here and
fucking not not to replace it with instead of looking
at it like, man, this brother's just doing his thing
or yo he he he wear some ship from the past,
because that's all it was.

Speaker 1 (25:52):
And they just everybody winning fire Ohio.

Speaker 2 (25:58):
Body wore that.

Speaker 1 (26:01):
Kelly pendergra Band, Marvin Gay you named.

Speaker 2 (26:06):
To this day, people bring that shit up. That's It's
everything that I've done in my career. That was like
the most monumental ship and it's only with black folks.
Ain't a white person yet came to me and talk
to me about my bold bottoms. But you know who
hired me white folks when black folks wasn't even hot

(26:27):
one fucking with me. I was doing all white white shows,
TV shows and all that, still getting my money, quietly,
quietly getting my money and getting it, you know what
I mean. But black folks, man, I wasn't gonna know best,
stress less, sexiest black man, most successful. How can you have?

Speaker 1 (26:45):
Man?

Speaker 2 (26:45):
I had hit at You know how hard it is
to have a hit TV show. It's like lightning, No, no,
the bottom you had like one, two three. I had
like three hit shows, Grownish, Blackish, Andy, trop Becker. I
had all these shows, hitch his shows and couldn't present,
couldn't present on no award shows, wasn't a part of nothing.

(27:07):
Nobody invite me to no parties. And still to this day,
I don't go to that shit because don't nobody fuck
with me like that, you know, And it's like it's weird.
It's like the national commercial movies, all that shit, anything
that any other more than a lot of what other
motherfuckers got going on that's invited to these ships. And
I'm saying that I need to go to this, but

(27:28):
I'm just saying, like to have these conversations with these
guys in and me. I think it all stemmed from
from those fans. After those fans, it was, it was,
it was down. It was down ever since then, all
the way into all the way into now. And I
just never understood that. I never understood why my own
people would do that shit to me. What it is?

Speaker 1 (27:51):
Why why are we so willing to attach that to
our celebrities, our prominent figures in our community.

Speaker 2 (27:59):
Well I think they. I think if I had to guess,
I would think that they was like, Yo, we look
up to you, and if you're being you're looking gay
or promiscuous, then yo, then then then you let us down.

Speaker 1 (28:12):
If the joke is funny, can I not sing it? Mean?

Speaker 2 (28:18):
Man? My ticket sales shot down after that. I couldn't
sell out a room because of those goddamn pants.

Speaker 1 (28:26):
Man.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
It wasn't like I wasn't funny or nothing like that,
but you know what, it was a group of people
who was like, man, fuck go you funny, We respect you,
we love you. And they rocked with me, and I
just kept going at the pace that I went. All
those that hated on me, that shit got old, and
the new audience came and they was like, no, this
motherfucker's dope. So all these motherfuckers that hated on me,

(28:48):
they went to the wayside, and a whole nother audience
is up there, you know what I mean, the whole
new people, people that love me, and and I fucked
with them, you know what I mean. And those that
did that shit, that shit was hurtful. Man, that ship
I mean, oh man, that shit fuck with me. More
so it was my people. It was my people that
was doing that. There wasn't no other races. It was

(29:10):
my people that was like, yo, but it shouldn't bother you.
I was like, why you saying it? So give me,
give me, give give me the reason. So what do
you hope to accomplish by that?

Speaker 1 (29:22):
It seemed like you wanted me to become successful because
y'all rock with when when I was on Undisputed, you
called me unk and everything. Then I got these shows
outside of Undisputed, I'm on now all of a sudden.

Speaker 2 (29:32):
All of a sudden, they saying that shit about you,
And look, that's that's all they because they looking for
something to hate on you about. They looking for something
that they can bring you down one and all of that,
and then who's to say that gay is bringing down
as that negative?

Speaker 1 (29:48):
I look, it's the.

Speaker 2 (29:49):
Weirdest ship in the world. It's like, man, it's like
it's I don't I don't know what it is, man,
And I'm quite sure some righteous brother out there is
gonna be watching this and let me explain, I ain't teacher, brother,
and it's like, Nah, don't have nothing to do with it.
You still have to be human. You still gotta treat
people with respect, regardless of what they're into. All day long.
Your opinion don't matter, and you should look at your opinion.

(30:12):
You should look at all the opinions that you motherfuckers
be leaving. Which one made you rich or healthier? None
of them? So why you still leaving the motherfuckers? Because
your spirit is fucked up and you constantly want to
just fuck over people and make them feel just as
miserable as you doing shit, and they.

Speaker 1 (30:30):
Do that shit.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
But now you look out, everybody wearing ball bottoms, everybody
wearing them shits. They everywhere they wearing the motherfuckers and
videos and everything, and ain't nobody talking shit about them,
ain't nobody talking about but coming out the gate, you
make these fashion choices and you either the hottest shit
moving or you burn, you know, but you gotta take

(30:51):
those risks. And so therefore I just I took a risk,
and I'm gonna keep taking risk. I'm gonna keep doing
what I do and rocking what I rock whatever, you know,
and and I'm not gonna worry about them. I think,
why where I fucked up was.

Speaker 1 (31:05):
I respond and they told you don't respond.

Speaker 2 (31:08):
Yep, and I respond that and I shouldn't respond to
that ship, you know, But I ain't have no pr
team at the time and no shit like that, and
I don't now, but I do know, and I'm just like,
you know, just let people think whatever you want to think.
But yeah, that was that was.

Speaker 1 (31:21):
That was because people gonna think. But people gonna think. Look,
they were just looking for a reason because because here's
the thing, I don't know how many people they're like, well,
because they've never seen I don't really post so and
I don't go on ig live. And the back to
the think I'm like, so, let me get this right.
The first time I've ever been on IG live. That's
what I'm gonna post. You've never seen me post anything
I have, but I think there's one picture you might

(31:43):
find on the internet with me, and that was from
twelve thirteen years ago. But because I don't post, I'm
I'm very private. Yeah, you don't need to you don't
need to know what I'm doing. Me too, I'm the
same way. I'm private as hell. Like I don't be putting.
I don't be throwing shit out there like that. I
put out there.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
Work ship, whatever, workout video, work a ship like that.
But then that's about it, not none of none of
my personal ship. But I just think that if there's
something with black men or black women and gay that
hasn't been resolved, then people don't want you to live
and be you. It's like it's almost like they want

(32:20):
everybody to be the same, right, And it's like, an't
y'all ain't y'all bored with just the same ship? Like
Lenny Kravis is refreshing to me, that motherfucker go out
there and net shirt and some leather shorts and this guitar.
That motherfucker be rocking, and every woman in that motherfucker
waiting lined up together put dion.

Speaker 1 (32:39):
The way I look at it is that what somebody eats,
what someone dresses, like, what someone are in their private life,
how does that impact me? It doesn't.

Speaker 2 (32:51):
That's I mean my life. It doesn't. And if you
consume with your life while you consume with others, yes,
that lets me know your life ain't that interesting. It's
not for you to leave a negative comment, for you
to say something, for you to sit back and be like,
I'm gay. I'm missed something that in the third you
didne just missed out on breaking bread with me. You

(33:12):
didnet missed out on we could have been breaking bread together. Instead,
you rather go I'm gay rather than go, hey, man,
fuck that. I got you over here. These motherfuckers talk
shit about you. I got you the fucked out and
I'm going man, good looking dog. I appreciate that. What
city you in? Atlanta? When I come down there, brother,
we're gonna hang out. We're gonna die da da and
we're gonna break bread. And now we now we now

(33:34):
we're not we now we breaking bread?

Speaker 1 (33:35):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (33:36):
Instead of you leaving your negative ass comment you fucking
your chances up. So it's been many times people in
the left of Good comment my page and I've been like, oh,
man or man, I can't afford to get you your show.
I got you. I'll give you tickets, come on through
or whatever. And they come through and we take pictures
and hang out and you know what I mean, just
being nice, But your negative shit, it don't get you nowhere.

(33:57):
It gets you a bunch of people that's negative, like
you saying, ah, good one, and then where does that go?
What money are you getting from that comment?

Speaker 1 (34:05):
Nothing?

Speaker 2 (34:06):
Nothing, And it's it's it's it's a bizarre world that's
going on with that.

Speaker 1 (34:10):
Because you write you wrote a letter of Willi Lynch's
letter where you compare your experience to Willie Lynch's letter.
Why did you feel you needed to write that letter.

Speaker 2 (34:17):
Because I just felt like I felt like, again, like
I said, black people are notorious for building up their
own and then tear them down, you know what I mean.
Nobody's like reprimending you or going hey, we understand what
happened or or or or that was a mistake or okay, cool, whatever,

(34:39):
you know, like it's it's just it's there's no leadership
with us, you know what I mean? It's no, it's
no place if another race says something fucked up about us,
there's nobody to answer to. Is it if you say
something about like a Jewish community or something that they
have a community that you have to go talk to, Yes,
that you have to. Yeah, donate money, talk to, tell

(35:03):
me you understand, learn their culture.

Speaker 1 (35:07):
It's guaranteed that it's gonna ever be back what it was.

Speaker 2 (35:10):
Let somebody say something about us, who they'd have got
an answer to? No, nobody nothing. We split it ourselves
because we split our goddamn self. So how much unity
do I do you expect for me to have when
you're saying all these things? Or what kind of unity
do you think that we're gonna we're gonna have by
you saying negative comments all the time. You know, we

(35:31):
should be policing ourselves in a sense if somebody do
something wrong, we should be able to grab our own
and go yo yo yo yo. Yeah he said that,
but we got them take them to the NAACP. The
n douale A CP office to me, should be a
place where we go and we correct things and do everything.
It shouldn't be for just award show ship and all that.

(35:53):
This should be your headquarters. That should be up in
every goddamn city that we can go to and have
a place for refuge or where we can go hang
out and talk and have conversations about certain things. Correct
our own, deal with our own, had talked to our own.
If somebody do something and I shun away from them,
you know what I mean. There's a lot of black
folks who be in situations and everybody get away from them.

(36:17):
Don't nobody be around, Don't nobody talk to him. Don't
I even know nothing? And I'm sick of that. I
think that we should be like, yeah, he fucked up,
but we got him. We got him. Hey, rest of
the word. He said sorry, he already said sorry, motherfuckers,
we got him. Come on, man, I know what I
mean to take them and take them back and talk
to him, and we don't have that.

Speaker 1 (36:36):
You know that. What I learned over the last year
and a half is that. And my sister told me this.
He says, Shannon, do you actually think you could have
risen to the heights you've risen with our people looking
like you? She's like, yeah, they're gonna be a few
that's gonna say things that's gonna be jealous, gonna be envious,
that's gonna dislike you. But the majority of the people

(36:59):
that look like they got you, He said, how you
get that name on? White people? Didn't give you that name.
Your community gave you that name, and it means something.
And I had to learn. The people that rock with me,
I rock with them, and I'm the same way and
the people that don't rock with me. Because you know
what my grandfather said did, I'm gonna tell you something.

(37:21):
He said, the devil will never show up as the
devil because if he did, you wouldn't do to deal
with it.

Speaker 2 (37:26):
You wouldn't do the deal.

Speaker 1 (37:27):
With your enemy. Will never show up as the enemy
because you wouldn't allowed me in your.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
Sorce and say that word, man, say that goddamn word.

Speaker 1 (37:35):
So now, yes, we gotta be careful everybody that was
in your sir, because you learn a lot as you
start to go here and they don't go with you.

Speaker 2 (37:47):
God, the devil's the devil's best attribute is pretending he
doesn't exist. To your point, that's the exactly what thing
what it is, and you have to know that that
devil is out yeah, for sure, and it's gonna be
out there. With everything that you do, that devil is
going to be there, and you got to be able
to to fill that out and maneuver properly, prayer fully

(38:13):
until you can get out that situation or you deal
with that situation.

Speaker 1 (38:16):
Because when I look at the comments like on club,
ain't nobody leaving those? Ain't nobody leaving that? On Nightcap?
My people, my community, they rock with me. Yeah, but
if I post something on my own thing that's like,
y'all follow me just to leave that. Yeah, yeah, y'all. Y'all,
y'all don't even like Nightcap. Y'all don't like Club Sha Shae.
So y'all don't even come on to pay y'all y'all

(38:37):
like I don't even want to give no mules. I
don't even think anything like that. But I was like, man,
there got to be something better in your life.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
And it's the same thing with my people, man, my
fam that follow me. I know my fam, my family
that follow me. When when I do stand up, the
shows be sold out and people be there. I know
the love I feel that it's a different love during
that bail Bottom shit, this is a whole nother This
is a whole nother family. Yeah, God, yeah, I love

(39:05):
and the Mayah. They beat, they dead when I'm DJing,
They there when I'm do movies, they there when I
do whatever. And I feel that love and this is
and I'm so glad the group of people, the hatred
that that was there. It's so it's so small, it's
so small, it's so.

Speaker 1 (39:20):
All y'all in the room together, couldn't feel it.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
B but but but but see, our minds be kind
of fucked up, yes, because we would read through ten
thousand comments. It'd be that one comment that'll fuck your
whole day up, you know what I mean. It used
to be like that. Now I don't allow that shit
that you absolutely right, I don't lie that shit.

Speaker 1 (39:38):
Go to a stadium. There could be eighty thousand fans
in that stadium. Seventy thousand, seventy nine thousand of them
are for you. Yeah, but you'll hear that one thousand
that booths.

Speaker 2 (39:47):
You'll hear and and nothing else is and you can't
hear ship else but that on the rid.

Speaker 1 (39:53):
I don't know why I do a show.

Speaker 2 (39:55):
And it'd be two thousand and three thousand people that
it'd be one motherfucker in the front row. I look
at that nigga all night long, like what your arms
folded for you? Why you mad? Why are you looking
so mad?

Speaker 1 (40:05):
You know?

Speaker 2 (40:06):
And you focus on that, but you have to train
your mind that the energy that But that's how powerful
that hate is. That hate for one motherfucker is greater
than a room full of motherfucker. Yeah, and you got
to know that, and you got to know that. And
I'm not about to let this.

Speaker 1 (40:22):
Let these people have it on that I'm having a
great time, a good time.

Speaker 2 (40:26):
And all these other people having a good time. And
you can, you can, you've gone with that bullshit.

Speaker 1 (40:30):
I got an opportunity to see it firsthand. Oho and
I for Nightcap. We went on to it with Atlanta,
Houston and Dallas sold our show. The love the respect
that I received, I said, Man, you know what, these
few that got something to say, I ain't even worried
about I'm worried about it.

Speaker 2 (40:49):
It's non void. It knocks that out, that love that
you received, that love, it is powerful if it's so
and it's so necess it's so necessary, it is. And
I want people to know that your nice comments and
the stuff you say. Man, for motherfuckers going through what
they going through. Man, that shit means something. Man. We
love reading that shit, we love seeing that shit, and

(41:10):
we love providing that. You know, it's just these negative
people man, that be on your page. You'd be like, Man,
I could post something and don't nobody like it. I'm
gonna have fifteen thousand people telling me how fucked up
I post some positive thirty people be on that motherfucker
going congratulations, right, you know what I mean. It's like
they love the mess. And you got to understand that

(41:32):
with the social media shit and don't let it fuck
with you. Don't let it bother you, and you know,
keep it moving, stay prayed up, and keep your business going.

Speaker 1 (41:41):
In the news the last week or so, these Hollywood parties,
they've been going back and forth to everybody, the old
Hollywood party. Are you gonna be what is the Hollywood
you go to? Thell? Have you been to? What are
the Hollywood parties?

Speaker 2 (41:52):
Hollywood party?

Speaker 1 (41:52):
Yes? Have you been to these parties that supposedly X
Y and Z be going on?

Speaker 2 (41:58):
Nah? Man again, I'm not invited to none at all.

Speaker 1 (42:02):
No, you real slow with that.

Speaker 2 (42:05):
I ain't invited to that ship, Like I promise you, man,
all the cool motherfuckers go out. No, don't nobody call me.
Don't nobody call me, don't nobody be like, Man, it'd
be good to have d here. Never had that call, man,
And and now I'm like cool with it. At first
I was like, yo, what's the problem. But I don't
even worry about that shit no more.

Speaker 1 (42:26):
I've never been I've never been a partier. I went
to one party in college, so as I got older,
it didn't. So it doesn't bother me. Man, you such
and such got something. I'm good. Yeah, yeah, I'm good.

Speaker 2 (42:38):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (42:39):
It comes I'm working because there's nothing. Really, I don't
see how what I'm gonna benefit that party to baby
see buff elbows with some slaves or entertaining. But at
the end of the day, I'm past that stage. We're
going out and being at parties is a thing.

Speaker 2 (42:53):
It's like this. If I go out, there's a reason
i'm there. If you see me there, there's a reason
i'm there exactly.

Speaker 1 (42:59):
And know that everything I do is purpose and drive.

Speaker 2 (43:02):
It's purpose driven. Now I'll go to some small ship
around l a few people. Yeah, and we'll hang out
a kick it, and that's that's my try, that's my love,
that's my be in there. We're kicking it.

Speaker 1 (43:14):
A few people ain't no few people at.

Speaker 2 (43:18):
Ain't no pictures, ain't nobody standing on ship and we
all just grown having a good motherfucking time chilling out,
you know what I mean. I'll do that in a heartbeat.
But as far as me sitting back and just partying
like that, like, nah, I ain't. I ain't even invited
to that kind of ship.

Speaker 1 (43:34):
You like me, I gotta go. I mean, I gotta
like really trust the person, like I know he ain't.

Speaker 2 (43:40):
And I've been I've been to parties, I've been to him,
but you got to go to him to find out
if you want to keep going to you know what
I mean, I've been to him. I've been like, you
know what what am I doing here? What's going on?

Speaker 1 (43:51):
Yeah? Money?

Speaker 2 (43:53):
Did I make did I mean? My wife? Did I
get healthier? No? All right, let me get on out
of here, right.

Speaker 1 (44:00):
Obviously, the PD, the situation P did it. He was
on an episode of Blackish. Yeah, and you were there. Yeah,
I mean it's tough because I, like I said, I
met the man one time, standing out in front of
the mall. He dapped me up. His bodyguard dapped me up.
That was it. I don't know the man. I don't
know the man, and so I don't even really feel

(44:22):
comfortable speaking on the subject because I don't know enough
about it. I read what they put in the paper
about the baby oil and all this other stuff. I
saw the the video with the situation that happened with Cassie,
and that's But what do you what are your thoughts?
I mean, do you have any?

Speaker 2 (44:40):
So I'll never kick a man right down, regardless of
what he did. He just file if it wasn't filed,
you know, I just keep my mouth closed. I won't
write no jokes about it. I won't tell nothing, you
know what I mean, because I know how that feels,
whether you right or wrong. I just don't want to

(45:01):
be in the midst of that, you know what I mean,
where I just don't do nothing. But I wrote for him,
you know the Billboard Awards when you hosted, Yeah, I
was the writer for that right And to be honest
with you, the times that we had with some of
the most inspirational moments I ever had with a guy.

(45:24):
I don't know how many billionaires you hang out with,
you know, they slide a little different. They slided a
little different, you know what I mean. And seeing how
he got down was so inspirational to me. That and
that shit was he never that shit was never happening.

(45:45):
I mean, wasn't all of that shit that everybody talking about.
But I don't drink the smoke. I don't do none
of that. I came in, took care business, and then
it was out. But being at the house and all
of that, it was never none of that. He always
had profound fucking work for me, you know. Like I
remember one time he was like, man, stop spending your
money on so much materialistic shit. He was like, spend

(46:07):
your money on things that free up your time. He
was like, you want to be the freest motherfucker alive.
He was like, spend your money on drivers, people, clean
your house, doing these things, because the more time you
have free and more time you got to think about
making money and.

Speaker 1 (46:24):
Create and create.

Speaker 2 (46:25):
He was like, so spend your money on that. He
was like, two hours in traffic, there's three meetings or
some sleep. He was like, that's how you got to
look at how to spend your money. And he was
like also, he said a lot of people hate on
him a lot, but they had the same He was like, yeah,
but they had to say twenty four hours as he did,

(46:47):
you know what I mean, as far as to make moves,
and which I thought was profound. It was like, right,
we all had to say twenty four hours. You know.
He got a jet alledge that, you know, and I'm
quite sure people make jokes about this, but I'm being
I'm being for real, like we all have the same
twenty four hours, you know what I mean, What are

(47:09):
you gonna do with your twenty four hours? And how
are you gonna change your family's life within the twenty
four hours? And that was what I took took away
from that where it was like, Wow, I want to
use I want to change and use my twenty four
hours a little differently than I had before.

Speaker 1 (47:23):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (47:24):
And so these are things that I because I like
to learn, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (47:28):
I like to learn in the presence of somebody that
I feel I can learn from them. I look at them,
you know.

Speaker 2 (47:34):
Yeah, And this is before any of that, you know
what I mean, This is before any of any of
that came out.

Speaker 1 (47:39):
I was just like that.

Speaker 2 (47:40):
So you know when that stuff came out, man, I
just you know, I mean, I feel for everybody involved, definitely,
and you know, prayers out to everybody, you know. And
uh yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:52):
I read that you were that you were at a
death Jam party and you asked jay Z to take
a picture with you. He's like, bar all these here.

Speaker 2 (48:00):
Hurt my soul Jack crushed me. Dog J jump out
of a car. Dog Me and my boy Reggie outside right,
where's the Depth Jam party? About six SUVs pull up
and we're like, man, who's this Jay jump out? He's
gonna walk right up to me.

Speaker 1 (48:17):
Yo.

Speaker 2 (48:19):
How the party were like this? Damn that's Jay? Were
like shit, that shit popping. He was like, all right, shit,
I see y'all went there. We're like bad he going there.
Me and my boy reads high five all that out.
We're going to party. It's this girl I know in
there like this and I see J over there chilling
and ship everybody in there, math red all the death
Jam artists right, Jay over that chilling vibing out and

(48:40):
I told her girl, I walked up to her. I
was like this, hey, take this camera, right, I had
one of them yellow boys that you.

Speaker 1 (48:47):
I gave her that right.

Speaker 2 (48:48):
I was like, look, I'm gonna go over to J.
We're gonna dance over here. When I get over here
and ask her for a picture, just have it ready
and take it because I don't want him waiting. She
was like, all right, me and her dance over there. Man,
I get over there. I was like, hey, J, can
I get a picture? He was like, man, dog, all
these roles in and ship. You want to take a

(49:08):
picture with a nigga? What is wrong with you? I
was like, I look at that bitch, dance back into you.

Speaker 1 (49:15):
You're like, you're right, You're right, You're right, you're right.

Speaker 2 (49:19):
I was like this, I just I just wanted a picture.
He was like, man, no, no. I said, all right,
all right, thank you mama, and I left again. Didn't
nobody speak to me in that party? Oh goddamn.

Speaker 1 (49:36):
It's tough in that situation, and I'm not there. But
like when you go to a bed like that, I
mean a lot of times they they take your phone.
I mean I've been to places where you put that
phone in this they put it. Now you go to
some place like that, they put that phone. Yeah, yeah,
the Yeah, all of that.

Speaker 2 (49:54):
This was like nineties. This went ja was like white hot,
like white hot, just like Jay was everything, you know,
and so yeah, back then they wasn't like that. Everybody
had big jerseys on pants and all of that, and yeah, yeah,
it was a whole different ball game.

Speaker 1 (50:11):
You wrote for comedians. You wrote Ricky Smiley, the prank
Phone calls Nick Cannon, you work with Cat What when
you write a joke for another comedian? How do you?
Because I remember asking, I was talking to somebody and
I was like, I think it was Snoop and I
said doctor Dre. No Hoole wrote a song still Dre Dre.

(50:34):
He wrote that song for doctor Drake. But you got
to write the song knowing is for him, but it's
company's coming from you through your creativity. When you write
a joke, I mean, you got to write the joke
like this jokes for Ricky, for this joke for Candon,
this joke for Nick Cannon, this joke can't fordon. How
do you? How do you separate yourself?

Speaker 2 (50:55):
So the majority of people that I've written for Conan O'Brien,
all these guys I wrote for Coning for like nine years,
eight years, when you're writing for these people, these people
are already characters. Basically, you really don't even have to
write a joke for them. You just have to pay
attention to them because they not paying attention to themselves, right,

(51:16):
So what I like to do, I like to pay
attention to them and tell them what they just said
and it's so wild, and then write it in a way
that they can say it where it's them. Because the
more you you are, the less rehearsal we're gonna have
correct And so that's that's my process of writing. It's
like with Cat, the stuff that I wrote for Cat,

(51:38):
Cat didn't even use. He ain't using none of that.
He's just I would just tell all you have to
do around Cat is go he'll say something. You go
that's funny, and he'll go huh, and then that'll be it.
But you wasn't writing for Cat, you know what I mean.
It was just he'll be like, oh okay. But other
people like you, like I would write stuff depending on
how they how they are, you know what I mean.

(52:00):
Like Snoop is a character. Yes, you really ain't got
to write a joke for Snoop. You just gotta have
Snoop say this in a snoop way, you know what
I mean? And then you got gold you know what
I mean. And so that's that's that's how it really
was like writing for all these people, you know, it's
like just looking at how they are and having them

(52:23):
organize what they should say in a way that they
should say it. And yeah, I was always blessed to
write for people like that.

Speaker 1 (52:30):
Obviously I had Kat on at the beginning of the year,
Yes you did. People still talking about that. It's now
at over seventy six million US Jesus and a lot
caught a lot of criticism because the things that Kat
said and they said I should have. I was like,
when people come on, I have no idea. It's not like,

(52:50):
let's just say for the sake of argument, I was
going to interview a political figure. I have the questions.
Now I have also fact check situation. If they say X,
Y and Z, I would say, would know this, blah
blah blah blah. I had the president President Trump, if
I had VP Madam VP Kamla Harris, I can be
able to fact check. But when I'm asking him a question, I.

Speaker 2 (53:10):
Don't know what you're gonna say exactly. You don't.

Speaker 1 (53:13):
Do you believe I bear culpability for what people say
on my platform?

Speaker 2 (53:18):
Absolutely not. You're providing a platform for people to talk.
It's so, I mean, I we're in the era right now.

Speaker 1 (53:27):
I ain't.

Speaker 2 (53:28):
Man, I've never seen these many motherfuckers talk in my life.
Motherfuckers is talking right on everything, y'all. I mean everything
you turn on, some motherfuckers is talking. So you can't
control what these people are saying, you know what I mean.
But you did kick some shit off where now everyone's

(53:48):
gonna say anything and everything. I think in order to.

Speaker 1 (53:52):
Like try to that virus, try to get that.

Speaker 2 (53:54):
Viral moment, and you see it happening, and it's just
it's not gonna happen. It was what y'all had wash
what I like to call just a moment in time. Yeah,
it was a moment in times. You were very just
asking questions like you would do. He answered the way
that he answered, and the stuff that that was the
tripped out thing too, the things Kat was saying that

(54:16):
was like a lot of it. He said it before,
said the ship a gazillion times. I don't know why
that ship took off the way it did. Because he
didn't said it a gazillion times, but you I don't,
I don't know everybody just oh, you know what I mean.
But I think maybe he hasn't said it in a
while and that's and that's what happened or whatever. But yeah,

(54:40):
I just I just think that the situations is I really,
I really don't understand that. But I don't. I don't
think that you were responsible for his answers. That's that's
that's that's foolish.

Speaker 1 (54:52):
I think a lot of a lot of it had
to do with is that what he did was peel
the scale back, or he peeled a layer back and
let you see because I didn't know that comedians that
this many comedians that h I don't like him and
he don't like me, and he don't like her, and bump,
I didn't know. I didn't. I don't think a lot
of people because I think you guys did a great job.

(55:13):
I don't know your relationship with all the comedians. I mean,
there's so many and so many good ones, your relationship
with those. But I think he peeled a layer back
and let people see the underbelly of the workings of
how it is in comedy and everybody ain't buddy buddy.
Although look, we're trying to get everybody to.

Speaker 2 (55:31):
Laugh, and everybody ain't buddy buddy, I mean, and hasn't been.
It's a few comics out there right now that it's
just one comic. Man, I don't care what I do.
This motherfucker got a problem with me every goddamn time.
I don't care, to the point where I'm like, dude,
what is your problem?

Speaker 1 (55:50):
Dude?

Speaker 2 (55:50):
Why every time I even show up? Why do you
even think I'm thinking about you? Yes, I'm not even
thinking about you. But there's issues that comics have and
they have their own read like you got comedians now
that don't like younger comics because they got it so quick.
You got older comics that that refused to move out
the way that don't want to accept that. Yo. They

(56:13):
not keeping it moving no more, They not writing no more,
they not doing artists and trying to blame other people.
The game has changed. It's a it's a different ballgame.
But you can't be mad at them. So everybody's mad
at everybody for some goddamn reason, you know what I mean.
And it's like that's never going to change. What Cat did.
He just put it out there, whether it was true
or false.

Speaker 1 (56:33):
He just put out what he It was his truth.
It was his true At the end of the day,
it's nothing nothing.

Speaker 2 (56:40):
Nobody can nobody can change that. And you all you
did was ask the question. So no, you know Cat,
And I think Cat knew what he was doing too.
I knew Cat Cat. Cat knew exactly what he's doing
when he came on your show because Cat don't do podcasts.

Speaker 1 (56:56):
No he doesn't, he don't, so he knew what he
was doing. I've been trying. I had been trying to
line Cat up for over a year and Cat doesn't fly.
Cat took the tour bus and he wasn't going to
be on this side of town. And I told a
story that I went to my lawyer's office on a
Friday and as the door opens up, I'm getting off,

(57:16):
there's this young lady about to get on. She's like, hey, Shanna,
how you doing. I was like, hey, how you doing?
I said, I don't know you. She's like, you come here.
I said, yeah, my Marvin. Marvin is my agent. She
said I didn't know that. I said, I've ever seen you.
I said, yeah, he's been there for like three or
four years. She said, it's funny. She said, today is
my last day. I said really, I said, well, congratulations,

(57:37):
I hope. I said, so what do you be? On
my man? Asking what are you going to do? She says,
I'm going to be the executive assistant to Cat Williams.
I said, I've been trying to get Cat for over
a year. This was a Friday. The following Thursday, Cats
sitting in my chair.

Speaker 2 (57:54):
Wow, that's crazy.

Speaker 1 (57:57):
The following Thursday, we're doing the CJ. He was my producer,
and I remember when we wrapped the interview. CJ is
shaking his head. So I covered my like.

Speaker 2 (58:07):
What I was like, did I say something to d
say something?

Speaker 1 (58:10):
And he's telling me it's gonna break the internet. We're
hoping to get ten. I say, you think you'll do
ten minute? He's like, yeah, he gonna do ten. He said, nah,
it's gonna do twenty. I say twenty million. I said nobody.
I said, look, only Joe Rogan is doing sit Down.
They get twenty million views. Nobody else man, I said,

(58:31):
come on, CJ. He said, I'm telling you shall He said,
this is gonna be talked about all of twenty four.
So we drop it that Wednesday, and I'm looking and
I call him. I sayd CJ, do you see how
many people are watching in the chat? He said, nah,
how many? I say seventy thousand, and then it jumps
to ninety, then it jumps to one ten, so we

(58:52):
get to like one thirty. I said, so, c J,
how many do you think it's gonna do? He says
it's gonna it's gonna be big. I say, CJ, re what.
Look it got to like we did twenty four million
views in like two days. And so CJ starts looking.
CJ's like, okay, the record. I mean somebody had like

(59:15):
Joe Rogan had two he had wanted like forty fifty
million or another like fifty seven fifty eight million.

Speaker 2 (59:22):
I said, CJ, you think we can get that.

Speaker 1 (59:23):
He's like, yes, go break that. I said, come on, CJ.
CJ said yeah, geez. And it did seventy six million
views in eight months. That is razy. I never would
have imagined it. And like I said, when he started talking,
and I'm you know, I'm just asking what I do.
I ask you a question, I let you take it

(59:45):
as long as you want. I don't cut you off
and try to direct you somewhere else. That's why the
interviews go so long, because I don't cut the guests
off because I want them to fully explain what they
want he or she wants to say. And then I
listened like some of the people like, well, shall shouldn't
let him said that. That's the whole objective of an interview,

(01:00:06):
is that you invite someone else and you let him
or her say their peace. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
Do you think let me ask you a question? Since
that people that gave you opportunities and people that work
with you and all of that, have you felt a
shift with them?

Speaker 1 (01:00:26):
Yeah? It happened. I mean it changed once I did that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
What is like a jealousy?

Speaker 1 (01:00:31):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
Yeah, And you know what, you can feel it. You
can feel it through the screen.

Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
You can feel it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:41):
And I'm just gonna not say the name.

Speaker 1 (01:00:45):
Yeah I was. I was surprised because a lot of
people that I thought I was cool with, I ain't say, well,
you know, we hung out, we went to dinner together
and stuff like that. But things that I never say
anything about them. But what Kat did, Cat did for
a club shaysha, what the television did for sports because

(01:01:06):
before the television you can only hear it. So baseball,
somebody hit a home run, you couldn't see it. Football,
you could hear the announcment call it, but you couldn't
see it. He put Club Shasha on the map and
we had to be taken serious. And I remember having
a conversation. I called the team, CJ, who's the EP
of the show. Here now the EP of the show,

(01:01:27):
and I see, CJ. I'm not gonna make myself sick.
This is our thriller. Yeah, Michael Jackson made himself sick
trying to recreate thriller. Bad was amazing, Invincible, was unbelievable,
but it wasn't gonna be thriller. And you have to
be okay with that. I sayd CJ. As long as
we do great content. The likelihood of us ever getting

(01:01:50):
another video to do this is Hayley's comment. Yeah, but
I'm okay with that as long as we continue to
do great content. And then people started to saying, well,
he's trying to get I invite people on they share
their story. Monique shared a story. I went back and
looked afterwards. Monique has said a lot of the things
that he said on my podcast. She has said it

(01:02:12):
no other show.

Speaker 2 (01:02:14):
It's crazy. It's it's the effect that you have, brother,
I'm telling you, it's the effect that you that you
have put out there that this this generation has has
tapped into that of the people haven't. And I think
that it's your demeanor, your character, and the way that
you carry yourself that brings the best oute of people

(01:02:37):
and the vulnerableness out of people, and people want to
it's a safe space, you know what I mean, and
and you're genuine. But that's what you provide with This
is what you provide on first take and and and
and dispute it is it was always how genuine you was,

(01:02:59):
you know what I mean, and and you provide that now.
And if you just keep doing what you're doing with
that genuine shit, you can be the best motherfucker at
anything you do, because it's not the thing you do,
it's how you doing the thing.

Speaker 1 (01:03:12):
You know what it is is that the one thing
that I do is that before I interview anybody, I
never look at previous interviews because when you come sit
down across from me, I'm not looking at you would
judge the eyes. I have no predetermined idea who or
what you are. I want to come up here and
I want to genuinely have an authentic conversation and that

(01:03:33):
person will open up because they can look at me
and say he ain't judging me.

Speaker 2 (01:03:37):
Yeah, and you feel it. I felt the same way.
Like we didn't go of a old questions, He didn't do.

Speaker 1 (01:03:43):
None of that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:44):
He sat down. It was love and we sat down
and we talked and that was it. And feel more
comfortable than a lot of interviews. You know what I mean?
I honestly do you know?

Speaker 1 (01:03:55):
You know what Dave Chappelle. You were at the show
when Dave came on stage and was responding to cat
am I.

Speaker 2 (01:04:04):
Correct, Yeah, was in San Jose. It was in the Empire. Yeah,
I was with him.

Speaker 1 (01:04:10):
Yeah. He felt that Cat shouldn't have said he shouldn't
have said those secrets because other racists don't share their
secrets exactly. Yeah, Cat should have gone.

Speaker 2 (01:04:23):
He thought Cats should have called and made a call
and talked to people instead of saying what he said
on on your on your platform or whatever. And that
was his whole thing. And he was like he didn't
want other races seeing us going at it like that,
and so that was his his whole big deal. He
just felt like a conversation could have had if he

(01:04:44):
really felt like that, you know, And so I felt like, no,
if motherfuckers ain't calling each other, and that's on his heart,
and you got a platform and he want to talk
about Henna, he gonna bring it up.

Speaker 1 (01:04:55):
Yeah if you probably Now, I don't know how it conversations,
how it works, and a comedic community. But if I
never talked to somebody on the telephone, the likelihood of
me picking up, if I got a problem with the
picking on the.

Speaker 2 (01:05:05):
Phone thing, it ain't gonna happen. So therefore, what David saying,
I get it that that never was gonna happen or
would have happened, you.

Speaker 1 (01:05:14):
Know what I mean? Right? Yeah, So the net at
the festival Netflix is the joke festival brunh Dave Chappelle,
Cat Williams, Kevin Hart. Cat left before Cat got there,
I mean, Kevin got there, Tiffany had his Mike ELPs
little real. Did you did you interact with any of those?
Was there any any tension or did you notice any No?

Speaker 2 (01:05:35):
No, no, we had a good time. No, we we
was chilling. No, there wasn't no tension whatsoever. We had.
We had a great time taking pictures, and yeah, it
was it was no beef whatsoever. Wasn't nobody or nothing
or whatever. And I didn't even notice that cav left
Cat Lift, I mean before yep, Cat did leave. He
did leave Yep, because I was looking for him, because

(01:05:56):
I didn't see that was the only person that I didn't see, Scott,
But I'll say everybody else definitely, like right after that
picture that I think he left. But my thing is, man,
we got motherfucker's got too much money, too many jokes
to write about, Like come like all this beefing back

(01:06:17):
and forth. I don't know if they think this is
a way to keep everybody relevant or whatever. I don't.
I don't even understand what's going on myself, you know,
But to each his own. But people eating this shit up,
and people think that they can keep doing it, you know.
I told some people I was coming on the show,
and they it was like, who you're gonna talk about?
That's exactly what they said. It's like, who you're gonna

(01:06:37):
talk about? And I was like, this, what the fuck
you're talking about? Like I don't, I don't know, I
talk about like that. I was like no, not like that,
like no, But that's the mentality.

Speaker 1 (01:06:47):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:06:47):
The mentality is you come on club who you're about
to disk?

Speaker 1 (01:06:52):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:06:52):
And it's like, I.

Speaker 1 (01:06:53):
Think the thing is that when you look at it,
cat shit. I mean, we've had one hundred and fifty interviews. Yeah,
Cat said what he said and Monique said what she said.
But we're gonna go to Amber Rose.

Speaker 2 (01:07:06):
People be wilding you.

Speaker 1 (01:07:08):
You kissed ambarrolls on blacket.

Speaker 2 (01:07:09):
I did kiss Amberose, that sure did. And I kept
sucking up so we can keep shooting. I fucked my
lines up about the time. I was like, we gotta
shoot this again. Come on, come in, give you something
of that?

Speaker 1 (01:07:34):
Yeah, man, come on man, Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:07:36):
Sure? Did I love that Amber? Amber was? Uh yeah,
Amber's good people.

Speaker 1 (01:07:42):
Yeah, good people. You would flirt with Tracey Ellis Ross
on the show.

Speaker 2 (01:07:46):
Chasey fine, man, come on man, Chasey fine, Jack, that's
the boy. She fine fine. But I just I felt
like I didn't want to like be with her, be
with her like that, because that's royalty, that's Diana Ross's daughter.
Not saying that I could have been with her, she
could have been with me. I'm not saying that at all.

(01:08:06):
But I did flur definitely. But I started thinking, like,
you know, she's royalty daughter. I'm like, she don't, she
don't she don't know how to do chores right, you
know what I mean? She had in her life. Let
her do everything. She would have to make a sandwich.

Speaker 1 (01:08:26):
You know, I'm gonna get you to I'm gonna get
you out here on this one. No Dion Jonathan Major,
he you know, he had to issue and seemingly like.

Speaker 2 (01:08:34):
Shout out to Tracy, I love you baby.

Speaker 1 (01:08:36):
Everything got snatched away. But John John, I mean, it's
that for me, the thing that I that I that
I hate. And then I could be wrong and maybe
I'm just overacting, but it seems like we get held
to a different standard, Like we make a mistake and
they just burned everything down to the ground, and other

(01:08:56):
and other groups get to make a mistake and it's okay.

Speaker 2 (01:09:00):
Again back to what we were saying earlier. We tear
our own down, man, we tear him down. And because
he had a white girl that just really made black
folks go.

Speaker 1 (01:09:12):
That's when he.

Speaker 2 (01:09:15):
And it's like stealing aw that was one of the
greatest actors of our time.

Speaker 1 (01:09:19):
And he was. He was starting to blow.

Speaker 2 (01:09:21):
To man, I work with that man on that man
changed my way of thinking when it comes to acting,
you know, on the heart of theay Fall, you know, man,
I saw I saw this man walk around in character
when the camera was off. He was walking, Man, I
saw that. On his days off, dog, I would see
dude at the gas station in caw in his cowboy outfit,

(01:09:43):
like gone like like, what are you doing? You know
what I mean, what are you doing? Like that? Dedicated?
That was That dude is a motherfucker you hear me.
When it comes to acting, man, he's so cold with it.
And so to have someone that talented be overlooked by

(01:10:04):
a situation, it's a situation, it's something happened. Well, I
don't know why everybody wants everybody to be perfect as fuck, Like,
ain't nobody perfect? Whatever, such situation happened and happened, you know, Okay,
his mentality, his mentality, But still in awe, he's still
one of the greatest actors of our time.

Speaker 1 (01:10:24):
He really is.

Speaker 2 (01:10:25):
And so I hate that that happened to him, you
know what I mean? I hate that that happened to him.
And again, I just hate that there's not a place
where black folks can go. Hey, man, I apologize, and
everybody go, all right, man, he apologized, and this is
what he's about to do for the community, for us
right here about do this for the community, and we're

(01:10:45):
gonna be good.

Speaker 1 (01:10:46):
Y'all right.

Speaker 2 (01:10:46):
That's what it should always be. It should always be, Hey,
what you're gonna do for the community, or what you did,
or how you're gonna make this better for us as
a people. We bring him in and make sure everything
okay is shit, you know, and that go with anybody
do anything fucked up, you know, that's our own, that's
our people. Quit tearing quit tearing motherfuckers down and getting

(01:11:07):
rid of them and don't have nobody to replace them
with because we don't and we don't. We don't replace
them with nobody. We just get rid of them. And
it's like, no, everybody make mistakes, let them learn from
their mistakes, and then we keep the mother fucking moving.
You can, you can, you can, and before we go,
you can bast situations, make a lot of things good happen.

(01:11:29):
You ever order some food and they fuck your food up,
they'll be like this, you can keep that and we'll
all bring your other one. You'd be like this for
god damn. Yeah, I just keep sucking up to keep
sucking up. Now you got two plate, you know what
I mean. So therefore with these fuck ups, quit looking
at Oh it's a fuck up. Just look at it
like man, that's a fuck up. Now what good can

(01:11:51):
we get out of this? Just always look at what
the what's the good we can get out of this
in any situation and it works, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:12:02):
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Speaker 1 (01:12:38):
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Geist Swap all my life, Poppy grinding all my life