July 5, 2025 • 53 mins
Shannon Sharpe clashes with Jim Jones over the Nas debate in a heated Nightcap moment! Hip-hop legend Bun B reveals his Top 10 Texas rappers of all time, and West Coast icon Ice Cube makes a special appearance.
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38:52 - Bun B on Timbaland using AI
45:10 - Top 10 Texas Rappers all time
53:16 - Ice Cube joins the show
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello, it's your favorite sports thunk here. Don't forget to
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subscribe or you're gonna make Ojo crime. Jim Jones is
joining us as Ojo was breaking it. Man, Jim, how
(00:20):
you doing, bro?
Speaker 2 (00:21):
How you feeling up? Brother?
Speaker 1 (00:23):
You good?
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Yeah? I'm good man. Life is good, God is good.
I can't complain.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Yeah, So talk to us a little about this music thing.
You've been in this thing for a minute now, So
talk about Jim Jones of twenty years ago Jim Jones today.
Have you noticed anything different in the music industry? Have
you noticed have you tried to do anything different with
your sound to keep up with the way the industry
is headed?
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Oh? Yeah, the industry.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
The industry has changed tremendously from when I started.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
It wasn't no social media for one.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Yeah, when I started in two thousand and three with
my first first deal, even before.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
That, when Cam started with his deal.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
So these kids got a bit of advantage when it
comes to marketing the promo that we didn't have. They
had access to a lot of information that we didn't
have a lot of people say it works against us,
but I think it works for us.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
And watching the way that these kids work.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
And in the present day and things like that, I've
learned a lot from them, from how they carry their music,
from how they sell their musics, and from how they
market and promote their music.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Us as being here for so too long, for.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
So long we've seen we tend to get caught up
in our dinosaur ways from yesterday how they carry artists,
but that's not the way they carry artists today. So
they are platinum artists that have their nose up because
they're big platinum artists, but that don't count today's society.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
They don't carry it the same way.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
So what I've chosen to do was always chose to
try to reinvent.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Myself, but not to the point where I'm chasing.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
But there's a medium that reached because I always want
to teach these kids, but I always want to learn
something also, So you know that and reinvent yourself, you've
got to be willing to be disciplined to know what
direction you want to go.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
And when it.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Comes to reinvent itself, I mean, one of the things
I credit do is the the Jim is one of
the biggest attributes to me being able to do uh,
sustain this long in the game. Sustainability is a lawful Jim.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Let me ask you this. And I see this a
lot and a lot, especially in music, and I see
this with and television and entertainment actress actresses. Is like, Man,
every record that he put out, it sounds the same. Okay,
he does something different. Man, he don't sound like the
old guy. He don't sound like he used to Okay.
(02:34):
An actor, they try act or actress, they try to
do a different role than what we're used to see him. Man,
I like when he did that. I don't like this new.
So you want the guy to change. You want the
individual to change and give you something different. And when
they give you something different, you say, they don't sound
the same and you don't like it. So how does
someone win? Now? The person that that I have the
(02:55):
utmost respect for what she's been able to do is Beyonce.
Beyond saying that as big as you can get in
one genre, and she says, you know what, I will
go over here and I'm gonna do this. I mean
it takes it takes some guts jim to do that.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
I mean, she like Michael Jordan.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
With Michael Jordan left the NBA, he went to the
to the MBL, the Major LEA and MLBA. He had
to have a lot of guts, you know what I mean,
Like saying with like d On Dion when he was
playing football and playing baseball and being successful at the
same time and both in both of them sports.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
I mean, and that takes a lot of heart.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
I haven't seen anybody else do that successfully the way
that Beonso has has done it. So I took my
hat to the barriers that she continued to break inside
of this music industry.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
Hey, Jimmy, what do you think right now about the
state of the state of hip hop where it is
right now? How do you feel about it, especially with
the young dudes with the sound now?
Speaker 5 (03:51):
Obviously, I think when it comes.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
To to rap in general, hip hop in general, I
think the sound changes every ten years. What do you
how do you about this era of hip hop right
now that we're in Do you like it?
Speaker 5 (04:03):
Have you embraced it?
Speaker 3 (04:04):
What I mean my in my opinion doesn't matter because
I have my time where we would dictating the sound
of music and we had a ball and there were
older people that was hating.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
On the time that we had and things like that.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
I encourage these youngsters to be as creative as they can,
as long as it's connecting with their crowded and people
are singing your shit and they're going to your to your.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Shows, And who am I to say I don't like
that music when they're out here's thinking ship. You know
what I mean? You did it.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
So it's like you gotta find you gotta stay true
to yourself, but find your rhythm in the mix of
what's going on. Use you're gonna be lost in the soul.
So you're gonna be looking like an old dude. You're
gonna be looking like the has been. You're gonna you understand,
I'm not into that. My energy ain't flood that you're heard.
If I'm gonna be a contender in this game, I'm
gonna play at the top, at the top.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Of my ability to play. You know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
I'm not gonna take no shortcuts enough in a minute.
In a minute, I mean I gotta contend with the
younger boys. I gotta contend with the older boys. That
means I gotta come through stepping. They only respect balance
and not to say bounce. But you know what I mean,
Like they got to see that ship you dig while
I'm in the game, I'm gonna show them that ship.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Like.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
People don't get a twisted like I'm I'm a man
of many, many different things. Like my rapper hat is one.
It's one hat to that with. But if I'm rapping
and I'm in it, I'm in it.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
What's up?
Speaker 3 (05:16):
I'm going against all odds and what I gotta do
to maintain be a contender in this game to keep
feeding my family and making the money that make off this.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
I think people get that twisted when they see me
talking and pop up my ship and.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Ship like that. That's just one character that I gotta
put out there for you all to eat up, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
But I'm.
Speaker 5 (05:34):
Matter fact, hold on, I got I'm gonna ask you.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
I I just I saw some I saw some comments
and saw a clip about you know, and you and Push.
I'm not sure if you and Push, you know, got
these type of beef or whatever. I just saw something
about you. You talk about the age trumpet.
Speaker 5 (05:49):
You did you didn't like, you didn't like the album
to like the song. Uh you know what he raps
about it not I.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Don't got a little beef with it. I don't got
a little beef for nobody.
Speaker 6 (05:58):
Okay, okay.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Half of half of it is my opinion. Half of
it is me bending the algorithm.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
Half of that is feeding into people's simplicity because the
social media is for that, you know what I mean.
And like I said, I'm a rapper in this game.
It comes with the territory. You gotta be very competitive.
It is a very competitive sport and you better have
some thick skin.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
I ain't say nothing.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
I want to hurt nobody, do nothing, nobody.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Everything. I've been talking about that strictly about the art
of world.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
When it comes to the music nowadays now, maybe ten
years ago, fifteen years ago, it would have been a
different outcome of what I was, you.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
When I was, I'm not on that, and I think
a lot of that gets twisted.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
And with the Jim Jones of today and things like that.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
I ain't got a puzzle nobody, and I ain't got
no optional nothing. And you know, it's part of me
that I've been working on every day.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
So tell sometimes I talk way too.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Fast than I should hurt, but it's part of the game.
I don't care you hate it.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
I'm gonna turn it into into a victory for me.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Yes, check it out, Jim. It's seems to me since
this past summer what passed last summer when Kendrick had
that disk, It seemed like now people are just like,
you know, hey, we saw the success that Kendrick had,
got five Grammys, he hosted you know, halftime, showed the
Super Bowl, blah blah blah. We see a lot more
(07:17):
dissing going on if that what if that were we're
headed now?
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Dan, and where you've been at you don't remember you've
seen the success that Tupac had it? Yeah, look you
see the success.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
What about what about Jacob?
Speaker 1 (07:32):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (07:32):
This is a competitive sport. The rap is built on that.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
So Kendrick and Drake having what they have was no
surprise through the rap industry. I mean people look at
it as something, but this is what the art the
rap is about.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
It's a very.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
Competitive sport and you got to be ready to be
on top of your game when it comes to that.
So if you put something out, you got to be
ready for the same energy to come back at you.
That's what rap is about. Some people don't go down
the lane. Some people go around that lane. Some people
go right through it. I'm wanted to people that go
right through it wouldn't lose a draw. I keep the
same face, but hold.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
On, hold on, Jim, Jim, bro, I'm not looking for
you to come at me. I put you on. Remember
I used to have you on my I used to
have I used to use the tour with me. You
used to open up for me.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Bro.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
You know you remember that right well? That nobody what
booking you. You remember that jam.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
You heard this song, you heard this you heard the same.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
When rivals, I mean idols become your rivals, That's what
the rap game is about. Did Alan Olison hesitate to
shake Michael Jordan up when he got in the NBA?
You know, okay because he was on another team. I
might not stop the love he had for Mike. But
while we on this battlefield, my team gotta win and
I wouldn't to kill anybody that's in front of me
for my team to win. And that was Alan Olson's attitude.
(08:46):
You gotta understand what happens when you come into this game.
Your idols become your rivals. There's no passes. When we're
on the other team, we meet you at the party,
we could laugh pop champagne. But right now while we're
on this field, while we're on his court, Oh I'm
coming to scrape show.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Now, we can't popping no more sham. You got people
laughing at me. And guess what they playing in the
football game. They played at the basketball game, not like us.
Oh no, we can't pop no champagne after that. Hey,
a matter of fact, I'm gonna close the club down.
Hey if he ain't if he coming, I ain't coming.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
I mean, but I just told you that's what it is.
Is competitive the sport. Now you gotta it got different
levels to it and things like that. But that's what
this was built on, you heard. So it's it's sad
that they gotta go to such lamps when it comes
to artists getting at each other when it comes to
the music. But which we want you project is what
(09:34):
you're gonna get. So just have that same energy you
put out there, because somebody coming right back at you
with that same energy sooner or later.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Well, let me ask you.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Let me ask you one more question, don't Joe. So
are we gonna get some new music? Because we saw
you and Cam kind of going back and forth, and
the Dip said, coming back, y'all gonna leak up together
and give us some new music? Yes or no?
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Right now, worried about myself, Dip set has always Dip said,
the birds still fly. I've been having a bird on
my back for the passage years when nobody was worried
about you think. So that's gonna go. But right now,
I gotta worry about me. I gotta worry about my end.
Deva's gotta worry about my business. I gotta worry about
my family.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Think.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
I've done a lot for diplomats where it didn't do
me nothing at the time. But right now, where I'm
at in my life, what works for me, and what
I'm worried about is myself. I can't tell you what
the future may hold or what the future may bring.
I'm not taking nothing off the table, you think, But
right now it's about Jim Genes and yeah, I am
a diplomat owner.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Bet go ahead, Joe.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
I like that.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
Listen, you took the question I was finna ask, and
I think I think you know what, History repeats itself, Jimmy,
History ors repeat itself. And most of the time when
history repeat itself, it comes back even big and better.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
I think Diplomats is gonna have her.
Speaker 5 (10:40):
They're gonna have reunion. I think y'all boys going re unite.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
And despite your differences, despite whatever situation y'all might have,
you know, all that can be fixed.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Behind closed doors.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
That ain't nothing but a conversation that just got to
be had, especially making that money.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Or check.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
You're a nice check always things demn you heard. Oh
I'm a stupid man. You heard you did, But I
understand that.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
But right now where I'm at, until that happens, until
some business gets put on the table with advantage just
for all sides. Right now, I got to worry about
what Kapo was doing. And it's been working for me
that way, you know. I mean, I've been staying out
of anybody's way a little bit, you know what I mean,
trying to every day.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Work on me. Every day. I get better than things
like that.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
You think I'm I'm unapologetic.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
You dig and I don't have no regrets, you know me?
But I do.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
I do work on myself every day, you know. I mean,
I'm not a perfect man. You did, but I'm the
perfect example of what could happen if you stay damn
till you come on.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
And that's what I did plenty of times.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
I got Jim when like, look you won the OJ's rap.
I mean, hip hop is fifty years of age. You've
been in this thing two decades.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
I ain't fifty. I'm forty eight.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
I said hip hop fifty.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
I thought you were shooting it at me my bed.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
Nah nah na, hip hop is fifty. But you've been
in this thing for two decades, right.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
I've been in this thing, so yes, it's a little
bit more than this. Since nineteen ninety seven came on,
got his first deal. So I'm like twenty eight years
in two percent and I've been signed. I've been signed
my first deals two decades ago.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
How do you determine who you How do you determine
who you work with?
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Now?
Speaker 1 (12:12):
When you want to work with the young artists? Uh,
how do you go about that? How do you like man?
I kind of like him. I think we can make
some beautiful music together.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
I mean, I hold no pressure.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
I'm looking for great music, and I'm looking looking for
great aesthetic.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Music get everything in today's world when it comes to music.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
If you've got a lifestyle that you could sell these
kids could buy into, then that's just as good as
having a great hit song and things like that.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
And that's how it worked for me.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
So it's a combinations of things that I look for
to work with the arts, so to do business with
the artists, but as far as doing music with the
artists and things like that, I'm just saying I'm a
love of music. So if I hear a record that
I and I think it's dope, and I think the
artist is dope, I'm to reach.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Out to him.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
How do you stay motivated? All?
Speaker 2 (12:56):
We lost him?
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Yeah, I think we lost it.
Speaker 5 (13:00):
Oh damn that was that was good. I was enjoying that.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Man.
Speaker 5 (13:05):
Hey, I'm thinking, I'm thinking, I'm thinking about I'm thinking
about rapping, man.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Shoot man, what do you think, oh Joe, what you're
gonna rap about now? With yo?
Speaker 2 (13:18):
For me?
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (13:20):
Hey, I mean, I'm just saying I'm gonna rap about
things that that I've experienced in life. You know that
that's that's the that's the best thing to wrap about it.
That's the most rappers they rap about the things that
they've experienced, you know, the ups and downs.
Speaker 5 (13:31):
The goods, the bad, you know, the the ws, the l's.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
I think I could put it together, you think, so,
oh there we go?
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Are you back? Oh?
Speaker 3 (13:43):
Yeah, like you look like a French painter with a
little bit biggie from Brooklyn with that on, you know.
Speaker 5 (13:50):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I just can't. I just came
from the south of France.
Speaker 4 (13:53):
I was down there for six days, so I just
got back yesterday.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
That's the I'm still on my on my swave.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
My still spilling that ship. I'll get it. I get.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
At at this junk sh of the game. What keeps
you motivated? What gifts Jim makes Jim jump out of bed,
pressed down hard as he can and press go. What
what keeps you going?
Speaker 2 (14:21):
I will say the money.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
But I've been making money for a long time, and
the opportunity to take care of my family.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
I've been doing that for a long time.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
At this point, I've been doing a lot, so I've
been My mission has been to give back more than
I took. But I was able to take a lot
and I'm still taking. So That's where I'm at in
life right now. You know what I mean, the more
blessed people, the morow get blessed. And it's just a
testament of hard work and being resilient and and and
being in real with yourself.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
I mean, can I ask you a question, Jim, you
smoke right?
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Were you smoking? When you say you better than ODS?
Speaker 3 (14:57):
I might have been a little bit well as far
as litt Let's get this right, I'm way more influencial
than Nas. And I don't care what nobody say.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
I know I made it. I know I made a
little boobo when.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
He talk about the sales and all this type of ship,
I don't feel like get into.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
That rhetoric about where I started away. But listen, NAS
was nice when I was in high school. When I
was in tenth grade, Nas came out. Nas was dope.
We appreciate him. He had a little bit run.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
But NAS always came up second to Jay and DM
Mexan all these other people like.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
That.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
He never had that type of influence on us except
for his first album.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
I already told you I used to.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
Want to dress like Nas because he had a lot
of fresh clothes that the hustlers used to wear and
ship and we used to see him on TV. He
had one of the Illis albums of all time, and
then in high school when he had the barbecue.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
And ship like that.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
So I'm a real fan of Nous, but he kind
of lost me after Bell the movie Belly and ship
like that.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
Like I don't go ahead on that gym.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
I'm trying to tell you, I'm being hot. You want
you ask me, I'm being a fan.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
I'm telling you from the movie Belly was fired, but
after that he kind of lost me. I don't think
I think we was way too much into the game.
Remember how this goes. That's not you ever heard of
a koofie list? Yeah, Yo, go back into your history
and find out what happened between us and him. You
didn't And I'm not trying to repeat history, but don't
play with us when it comes to that, Bro, we
already when when?
Speaker 2 (16:07):
When? When? When wild on them boys? You hurt? We're
the ones that went wild on them boys, Jim and and.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
People out here acting like I said, I'm gonna bring.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
The Coofie list back. I just told you I'm gonna
change man. Stephan Law, can you.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Do look I'm putting Bro, you've been at this thing,
but lyrically I would be I'm gonna keep it a
stack with you.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Look how you dressed. You don't even be in the
same place as i'd be in. And the things that
listen the.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Church, you can't.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
You can't.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Know who told you that, Bro, A bunch of be real.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
You got a bunch of forty and fifty year olds
in their panties because I said, I'm better.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Than Look at the diplomats.
Speaker 5 (16:55):
But you I.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
Got Jimmy, you want to go back. I really mean it,
I really mean it started. If you could go back
to what the history, bro. Don't do that.
Speaker 6 (17:08):
Bro, I got a question.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
I got a question.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
Stick up for itself and meet me in a booth
for something. If we want to do something historically.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
You say, he don't do that. No more.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
No, so he don't because he got a hundred million dollars.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
He's a very wealthy man.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
You heard, he's a very small business man.
Speaker 5 (17:25):
Hold on, hold on, Jimmy, hold on, I got a question.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
Hold on, hold on, hold hold on, jim hold on,
hold on, I got a question, Jimmy. And anything that
you do right, I've heard you preach it all the time,
right when you was playing football.
Speaker 5 (17:38):
You your first thing. You always say, ain't nobody here
better than me?
Speaker 2 (17:42):
All again?
Speaker 5 (17:44):
You know told me that.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Anybody in this world.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
Jimmy stayed with me real quick, stay with me now,
don't stay with me now. But I'm just saying that mentality.
Isn't that how you supposed to feel? Isn't that how
you suppose the field?
Speaker 1 (18:02):
You know? So let me ask your question. When you
was on the field, you thought you was better than
t O in Moss? Hell, yeah, what you mean? You done?
Came on here and saying I ain't better than Moss,
I'm not better than t O. I'm not better than Rice.
You said, I'm not playing the game no more. But
you wouldn't you when you were playing the difference?
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Jill?
Speaker 1 (18:21):
You talking? You need to get with the lock.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Still, I'm still playing. I'm still playing at the high level.
I'm still playing. Get j Jada. I'm rapping all. I'm
rapping at a high level. You better check my stats, bro.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
I want.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
I will run circles around Nas wrapping right. I will
run circles around Nas wrapping right now, right now, I
fattening around Nas right now, rapping. Everybody knows that.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
The past he put it down.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
I will run laps around nas wrapping right now.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Bro Jaim, are you right now? But I and I'm
still in it.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
I'm still in it. Cam was smoking his boots. I
wasn't rapping when he was rapping. But Cam really got
at him. You remember, I really mean it. We've been
getting at them boys. But it's not about that right now,
twenty twenty five. I'm in the game, still rapping at
a high capacity. If now he's wants to smoke, come
in a booth.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
I will wrap.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
He enjoyed that fifty million million, so that leave me
alone while.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
I'm on the field.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
You're laughing with him. I'm on the field.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
I'm picking on whoever, whoever, whatever. I don't cheer.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
I'm on the field. And guess who's the most Guess
who on the field?
Speaker 1 (19:44):
You guess you need to call like Kendrick, You need
to call somebody that's still in it. He ain't in it.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
Why can't you get age? Can you get my age?
I wasn't the day.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
My error, I ain't got that's.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Not my error. He retired. Have you ever heard of retirement?
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Well that's my error.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
So I'm calling all of them out. I don't care
if you retired or not, deal with it.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
If not, jack me.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
In the booth, and I'm just telling you, let's get
Let's just get. Let's get this right.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
I'm not mad. It's about the sportsmanship of the game.
People know I am a very aggressive person, and that
seems to get misconstrued when I'm talking my ship.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
I'm just talking my ship. You let me talk my
ship because I am on the field.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
If anybody got a problem with that, they can meet
me on the field.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
That is the booth.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
Anybody from that error, anybody, anybody from that error.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Anybody well you and Jada in the same era.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Anybody from that eraror don't see Jada stop and saying.
Anybody from that error, I'm not scared of nobody.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
You speed right now.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
Anybody from that I'm in the field daily, in the daily.
Anybody want to work out, tell him come to the field.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
We got this is the perfect opportunity. You're not even
paying attention. Your antennas ain't up right now. Listen, he said,
anybody from his error. Anybody he in the field right, ship.
We can have our own verses on that, our own nightcap.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
Versus I got, I got It's deeper than the verses.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
It's about who's making music.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
Me in the booth, put the record up, give us
a time to do the record by, give us a subject,
and let's.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
See who want to smoke. Who on the booth is
Come on.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
It's about the ship. It's about the craftsmanship. Fuck the numbers.
Fuck the records. You heard, because we both got records
that can smash. We both got nigga. Meet me in
the booth. Fuck all that old school ship. We're playing
on records from twenty years ago. I am not nostalgic, nigga.
It's twenty twenty five. Don't want to smoke. Met me
in the booth. Set it up and we could do
it for money. Labels to pay for it.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
How y'all want to do it. We can make a
spectacle out here. You got it, Gotsman, you heard?
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Yeah, I got Noads. What I got God?
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Well, get him in.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
I got I got Jay.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
Listen, if you go, you.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
Get anybody in the booth, I will pull up by
myself on my Yes.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Why would you want to get you? When you get
them that mic, they can't help.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
You start spending, You're gonna get to help you hey,
you're not seeing the vision.
Speaker 6 (22:39):
The opportunity.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
You gotta start buying bagg of your clothes. Big fellow, big.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Man, you talk about you in the gym. Now you
want to get me. You want to want me to
see me in the gym. We can do like to talk.
That is in the gym, we're.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
Talking about working you're talking about working out of talking
about working out on strength.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
Whatever you want to do it.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
We're talking about that you got money, and we're talking
about what your money, where your mom feels you got
So you're talking about you're talking.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
About working out. I burn you. You're talking about working
out of strength because you probably can out more than.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
What you're probably talking whatever.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
But if you're talking about.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
Working out, you're talking about working out, I burn you.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
This ain't what you do. This ain't what you want.
You're doing when you're talking about you.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Don't want to see it is take the stack. You
don't better go to my I g set it up.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Please set it up.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
I'd be the Hey lord, you guys like you, you
want to start on.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
You don't want to leave you what you want to
start on?
Speaker 1 (23:41):
You do you just want to.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
Put a training in petition you knock out shoe sho
come there landing tomorrow and give you this shoe. Bro,
you're too small. Bro, you're talking. You're talking a lot.
What you want to do?
Speaker 2 (24:02):
I want to do it.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
You stick to what you do. You good on't get
away from you.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
But you make some money. Do you want to do
it or not?
Speaker 5 (24:14):
I want to compete to what we doing.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Start with you can't you Let me tell you.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
Let me tell you one story. Let me tell you
one story. Let me tell you one story. I'm gonna
tell you one story. How I met Antonio Brown. My
son said, Yo, you know Antonio Brown live up the
block because I live on the beach and ship like that.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
I'm like, who is that? He like? He showed it
to my d M dum. He's like, oh yeah, your
son play football, Come get this workout.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
So I get on the beach, Cam Newton and like
a few other NFL player, ain't gonn see nobody in name.
He made cure of them go home because I was.
I finished the workout before they finished the workout. Bro,
do not play with me. I'm a beast nigga. I
will I will, Shannon, I will go crazy over what
do you want to do work. You want to work
out or you want to do strong ship you heard
(25:00):
because obviously you can lift long to me, but you
can't work out with me.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Bro, I'm a beast, Nigga, You a beast.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Yeah, you can't.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Do one muscle up nothing. You can't do nothing with me.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Bro, Dude, you weigh one hundred and fifty pounds. You
should do muscle up.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
I weigh I weigh one ninety five. Hey, I weigh
one ninety five. Hey, Jim, you go to my instagram.
Go to my instagram right now. Work out every day?
Speaker 2 (25:25):
I post it.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
I don't post it. Don't play with I work out
the secret.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
I post it every day. Nigga, what's up?
Speaker 1 (25:31):
I don't post and I don't post nothing.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
What day you want me to come to Atlanta?
Speaker 1 (25:35):
I ain't even in that, ma'am. I'm gonna come see you.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Won't come to New York and we got gyms. When
you want to do it?
Speaker 1 (25:41):
You want to do right on the show.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
You want to do a live on the show, thirty
minute way out.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
I don't do anything for show, just me and you,
and I just want you to know that I can
you doing what you do.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
You see what I'm saying. Old show?
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Hey, how you about show? I went in too.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
I want into the Show's the dough?
Speaker 1 (26:00):
You never heard that?
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Yeah? No, do no show? What's stop? You scared?
Speaker 1 (26:05):
You can do it a pay per view.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
I know you've got a lot on the line because
you're a.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Professional football player. A football player.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
I retire, I retired, took picked.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Up our older rappers.
Speaker 5 (26:23):
Hey when we gonna compete?
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Because I ain't nothing but on the microphone. When it
comes to the gym, that ain't happening.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
What you want to what you want to do? What
you want to do?
Speaker 1 (26:35):
Look here, you have the rap game. That's you. That's
your era, that's your that's your era, that's what your
era of expertise. Yeh, I n ain't I a fin
to waste my time dealing with you. Man, say you
ain't on this level?
Speaker 2 (26:48):
You would have run sprints? You want to warn routes
what you want to do?
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Or you just want to stay in the gym.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
And I got a damn sing and I still give
you work. Oh you want to stay in the gym, I'm.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
Staying in the new gym. I don't want to do
nothing of that. Iron I don't move nothing but iron.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Yeah, yeah, what I thought.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
We can check my resume.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
It's expensive and thirty minutes you will not You won't
last thirty minutes with me. You want me to follow you,
or you want to follow me?
Speaker 2 (27:17):
How you want to do it?
Speaker 1 (27:19):
You can't follow me. I'm a record and you can't
do nothing. You can't bitch, you can't squad, you can't.
You can't do nothing. You want to do body weight movements.
I don't do body weight movement.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
You better go check my gram.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
I do search the squats, I do regular squads, we
do deadalus, we do everything.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Are you out your mind? Here?
Speaker 1 (27:36):
That little with you? One hundred and ninety five pounds man?
What I look like going to be is one hundred
ninety five pounds man in the gym. Not wasting my time?
Speaker 7 (27:43):
Now?
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Yo?
Speaker 1 (27:44):
Take that.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Well, I'm skipping out. But where I'm from, a challenge
is a challenge. Nigga.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
Yeah, regardss to size, right, we fight all bullies where
I'm from.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
That's a nigga. I hated no man or nothing. Nigga.
Speaker 6 (28:02):
You heard.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Under you ask what I look what I look like?
Taking over Greenland? They didn't got no damn military.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
What you like?
Speaker 3 (28:12):
What you're looking, bro, bring your mouth and your body
to haul them.
Speaker 5 (28:16):
Let's go to the gym.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
Let's go to the gym. He wanted to do.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
I was one of these rappers.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
You thought I was one of these out of shape rappers.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
No, I'm in super shape. I'm not in I'm in
super shape.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Hey, Apple is a shape pair egg, I'm not doing shape.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
I'm in super shape. And you can ask.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Everybody the conversation. Sometimes you see what you did.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
Why do you think I was on the cover of
Man's House for my looks?
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Because I get busy?
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Oh Lord, have mercy.
Speaker 5 (28:52):
When were going in the gym? Because I want I
want this work.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
I'm busy. I want this work.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
You now you busy? You bring it up. Now you're busy, Richmond.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
You you owe your copaid. First of all, you chat,
you Wane, Nads, you want Jada, you want everybody. And
then you try to come.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
And I you said that, you said that, you start
bringing up John. Don't try no flic ship. I said,
I don't care who it is. I will go up
against Jim Jones.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
He's a better rapper than Nods. Jim Jones can defends
himself against NODS comparison. Jim Jones rejects NODS comparison. Check
my record, Jim Jones, arguing he's bigger than nods.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
You said that you sound like a little hot you
over there hot in your.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Feelings because me and everybody else pretty fiction.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Your glasses a little bit, Your glasses little crooked.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
My glasses are fine. You can talk about I take
him off. You can see, and I still can see.
You can't if with nods I put them back on.
You still can't. If with nods, come.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
On, since six seeing bars and nods right now, Sing
your favorite NAS record right now, the man busy, sing it,
sing it.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Sing your favorite NOS record first of all.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
Uh, once you get to a certain god, listen, sing
your favorite NAS record. Jim, I bet you know your
favorite jay Z record. Hey, I bet you could say
your favorite what Jim? Sing your Okay, you done flew high,
you came back down. Now sing your favorite NAS record, bro,
since you since you, since you're going crazy for I
(30:32):
can sing more, Nozen, I can sing MORENAS records.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Than right now.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
I can sing I could sing MORENAS records than you
right now. So you you are tapping you are tapping.
That's what you do, Bro, you are. I'm a bigger
NAS fan.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
Than you are.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
You are.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
First of all, I don't be singing no rap't be
singing no rap.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
And see what I'm saying, Oh Joe, he don't even
know about rap. He just doing this for the views
to get Jim Jones on it, to.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Get him hot. I understand, but you.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
Don't get your hot. You know you know you Betta
check the podcast now, now you better.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Talk sixteen hey singing this biggest.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Podcast you ever on one, Nodge mister bigg podcast, you've
ever been on this one?
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Hold on, hold on to the podcast.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Than your feelings. When you get big, you get it without.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
This is what I do.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Nod get in Bay, the Jannakis get in by the club.
You number yet, Broy, just.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
A little young hold out top would be bro off topic.
You're dealing with the wrong one. Bro. Right here, Bro,
I don't care nothing about nothing. That's just you got
to say. Bro.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
You must day We we hear them. You can't down
your alone.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
Bro.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
You might get out right me, but you get out
talk me.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
Don't nobody want to go to the club, Shay say,
nobody want buy no v I p tickets to that ship.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Nobody rushing to go to that ship. Biggest, you gotta go.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
You gott the Paul cat a tremendous you sho do
your thing. Don't get it twisted, bro, I don't see
nothing about the fucking podcast.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
We're supposed to.
Speaker 4 (32:15):
Be talking about the music and love and embracing one
of and.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
Culture and mine to come out here in disrespect nods
and Jada? Now they're gonna happen on here.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
Now?
Speaker 1 (32:27):
What were we?
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Why you keep putting Jada into this? Why you keep
putting Ja into this? What's wrong with you?
Speaker 1 (32:33):
Well, that's wrong with you, bro.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
You takee a nigga, get caught like, nah, come out?
They call us all like, why are you trying to
put Jada into this?
Speaker 2 (32:40):
Bro? Not get it, bro, It's all good. It's all love, Bro,
all right, you died about this here, tell us all love.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
When you got coming out?
Speaker 2 (32:47):
The next movie? What you said?
Speaker 1 (32:49):
Yeah, you got a movie coming out.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
Bro, coming after After Church Steps, a lovely movie. I
got a bunch of comedians in there, a bunch of
influences that we all know.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
I'm excited to put that movie out.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
Coms out later on this summer's uh it's an ad
added onto my album had a bunch of go bactors in.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
There too, so I'm looking forward to that.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
So are you Are you more proud? Are you most
proud of the movie you have coming out, or the
new music you got coming out or the equal.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
I'm more proud of the business that I've been doing lately.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
Okay, See, you must.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
Think my life revolves around music when my life is.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
Music is just probably the smallest fraction of my life,
even though it fuse a lot of the things that
comes to my life because of music. But I'm a
great businessman all around the board, you know what I mean.
So you got to learn a lot of a lot
more about me. And I'm a philanthropist. I wanted one
of the few people that do give back. Shirts off
my backs and things like that. All alrhetoric about the
wrapping back and forth. It's cool and shit like that,
(33:45):
but deep down inside.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
I'm away, I'm away ill a man, and what we
over here.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
Going off about and things like that, Like I'm my
biggest attribute is my giving back and I'm gonna always
do that no matter what.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
I don't want people to get it, get it misconsured.
You know. I love to give back. That's what my
whole mission is about. And the more I go viral with,
the more and more you explore page, the more opportunities
come to me, the more I could give back.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
All this comes down to a dollars where people don't
understand this algorithm.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
It's a game that I had to learn and understand
because I.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
Was previously I probably would crash out so many things
that I see on the Internet or so many ways
that people are talking about me. I had to learn
how to reverse it and use these things. It's fuel
for me to keep going and things like that, And
that's just what I've been doing. I got to a
point where I got good at it, so I know
how to use it in my favor. And it's a
beautiful thing. It could go against you, it could go
for you. But one thing, if you're a small person,
(34:35):
that's gonna work. It's gonna work in your favor, you
know what I mean. So I use all my opportunities
to turn it into a dollar. And anytime that I've
seen heard, they're gonna go wan want to know about me?
Extra stream is an extra dollar. I don't care about
what nobody said. I name mindset all facets.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
I mean, that's what I wanted to ask you. I
wanted to ask when did When was it always a
part of your like if you ever made it that
you were going to give back, because like you said,
you do, you do give back to the younger generation.
You do give back to your community. When did that
thought that thought process? How did how did that come about?
Jim Jones? Like, you know, what if I get to
(35:10):
a certain level and I'm able to help and I'm
able to get give back, That's what I'm gonna do.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
You know, we're from an older era, a godfare era.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
So you know I watched my family open their house
as strangers sometimes and things like that.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
They was always a given and not to mention when
I'm coming.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
Outside and watching the hustles doing for the community, the
ones that were successful, the ones that always came back.
Bus rides, sneakers, headcuts and all that. So I just
chose to carry on tradition and me be in a
position of success in my life only helped me to
do a little bit more than what I've seen coming up.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
That's what's up. That's good, bro. Hey, I'm gonna pull
up in Harlem.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
Come on, I'm waiting for you.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
Man.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
I love you. I love you.
Speaker 4 (35:52):
He hey, Jimmy, Hey, if you if you put up
for harllerm we gotta go to Ricardo's.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
No, we gotta go to Ricardos. You know. I love you.
I love people. I love people that I could go
back and forth with.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
And people don't take you heard because a lot of
people look at this and might take offense to it.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
But we are they are, but we don't care. We
and we know who we are.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
You like, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
We can never let you know, electronics get in between realism.
We know what set state care and we know what
we're doing. You dig and I appreciate you for.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
That because a lot of people would have took everything
to a fence and the like.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
But we all who we are.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
Man, I appreciate this opportunity. Man, you do have a
great show. I cannot take that from you.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
I appreciate you coming.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
Come on, Okay, could bring him the hall on, let's
work out.
Speaker 5 (36:42):
He not as strong as he say though. He's not
as strong.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
Talking you know. Yeah you hey, hey, Jem, real talk though, man.
I appreciate you coming on and I. We really appreciate it.
We appreciate the time, and but I've never you know, hey,
we have a great time going back and forth talking
about nods and jade and you. But bro, you stand
to test the time.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
You do what you do.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
You're great at what you do. And I appreciate you
taking time out of your business schedule to night to
come on with out you and I and talk about
all things. So we I had a great time. I
don't know about YO, but I had a great time.
Speaker 4 (37:18):
Listen, listen, this is this was iconic tonight, This was
iconic anytime you got This is the funny thing about
it is people not gonna understand what y'all you're.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
Gonna be treating the gym. You know, we're gonna be
a stormy in the morning. People not gonna understand that
this is what we do.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
This is this is what we do, This is this
is how we act, just how we get together like people.
Speaker 7 (37:39):
This is it.
Speaker 4 (37:40):
Like yeah, hey man, I appreciate Hey, this wasn't nothing
but a space game without the cars.
Speaker 3 (37:45):
That's all one hundred percent our whole attitude of spades, all.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
All the time, all the time. Hey, you thing one
if I was at hallerm, He's like, Okay, let's go
find the gym right now. We'll find out what we
what we.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
Bout one hundred percent, one hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
We stand on that. Hey, but Jim, hey man, best
of luck on the album, best of luck on the movie.
Speaker 7 (38:08):
Man.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
Hey, when you get some free time, stop back, bye bye.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
I will.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
I appreciate that all love you.
Speaker 5 (38:14):
Remember Hey, hey, o Yo, that was that was That
was awesome.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
That that was That was Joe. Now you know, Hey,
everybody gonna say, man, Jim, Joe to shout the shop
with Goring. Maybe Hey, no, they.
Speaker 5 (38:31):
Don't understand it.
Speaker 4 (38:32):
Any anybody that say that they don't play spades, they
don't play space.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
But oh, Joe, I've been has been a while since
I've been able to get that. Oh, I've been sitting
on them for two months now. I was just I
would just wait, I would just I would just waiting
on the right time, won't yo, just wait on the
right time. Timberland got blasted on social media for using
a producer's beat and a producer's tag to train his
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AI platform Suno. Tim previewed a demo record which utilized
the beat tag from Kfresh and lyrics from TikTok creator.
He sought to make a new version of the song,
but users quickly noticed they were a bit too similar.
They called out the Virginia producer using real music made
by human beings to train AI without crediting or paying them.
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Bun and I remember, I remember having a conversation with
Tim because I had him on the pod and he
said he was nervous about this. Bun. Do you think
about the controversy? What do you think is going on
with Tim and this new AI creator?
Speaker 7 (39:36):
I think I think, for one, it's uncharted territory, and
I think it's still in the very early stages of
the technology. I think it's going to grow over leaps
and bounds over the next couple of years. Because they
covered so much ground in the last ten years with
AI technology.
Speaker 6 (39:53):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 7 (39:54):
AI companies are starting to pop up more and more,
and they're all billion dollar companies. People are flooding these
companies with all kinds of money. I think it's I
think this is the problem. I think that we're not
thinking about this what they're doing now all. The only
way that AI can do these things is if you
feed it information. You have to feed it information. I know,
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on a very small level, on the introductory level, there
are musicians who are feeding AI machines their voices, their cadences,
their tones, some of them the way they play instrumentation.
And now the AI program can replicate what a rhyme
from you would sound like without you having to write it,
what chords being played would sound like without you having
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to play on You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (40:37):
That's very dangerous. Here's the real danger though, shon what
I believe.
Speaker 7 (40:42):
We live in a digital world, right, all these everything
digital has what they call watermarks, right, and watermarks and
what they use to track the technology as it goes
out into the world, so companies can be like, oh,
that's what they're doing, that's our technology. I bet you
can find it in the code, right, that kind of thing.
I think everybody that's utilizing this stuff right now. I
(41:06):
feel like one day chat GPT can wake up one
day and say, everybody that's ever made music using my technology,
we own a piece center, and there's nothing you can say.
I don't believe anybody's read their agreement, right. I'm sure
if somebody got through these Chat GPT and all these
different AI companies agreements when you agree to utilize the
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technology or download the app and all of that, I
guarantee that they are going to go back find out
everything that was created using their technology, that profited that
was sent out into the world as commerce and people
spent money on it. They gonna come back then, same
way that older artists are coming back because somebody sampled
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their music. Right, I've created that. You took my creation
and manipulated it without paying me.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
You owe me money.
Speaker 7 (41:57):
I believe these people are giving this techechnology out to
people for free in the hopes that they utilize it
unknowmingally giving these companies a piece of this intellectual property,
because it's all intellectual property, you know what I'm saying.
So I think I won't touch it, I won't download
it nothing, because not that I'm against it, you know.
Speaker 2 (42:17):
For recreational use.
Speaker 7 (42:18):
I guess that's fine if it helps organize things or
put things together.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
You know, however, that I understand.
Speaker 7 (42:24):
But when we're talking about utilizing this technology to manipulate
intellectual properties, bro, we're playing the dangerous ass game, because
somebody could just start feeding AI Timulin's beat structures, you.
Speaker 2 (42:37):
Know what I'm saying.
Speaker 7 (42:38):
They can start utilizing his drum patterns and put that
in and make a trembling record without him, you know,
and you're opening yourself up, quite frankly with the way
he's doing it, to a whole lot of litigation and
a whole lot of trouble Personally. I don't think America
is the market for that. Japan, China's been doing it
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for years, you know what I'm saying. But that's a
cultural thing. They're they're so they socialize different in certain countries.
So having a relationship with someone that that, I know,
this shit sounds crazy, but having a relationship with a machine,
for some people fits their lifestyle a lot better. It
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doesn't work like because they don't have they don't have
the social graces to go out and meet people and
and commune with people in that way.
Speaker 6 (43:28):
So this is a healthy, in their minds alternative.
Speaker 7 (43:32):
But here now, at some point, we don't want to
see somebody get on stage and saying this shit, you
know what I'm saying, And you know it's it's the
it's the allure, right, it's the allure like making the
stallion is a famous person because men find her attractive,
women find her attractive. You know what I'm saying. There's
there's an allure to it. Japan and China has that
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very strange relationship with technology in that way where they
they don't just make robots, they have relationships with robots
and pillows and all of that type of is different.
I don't think that he can break a star like that,
because at some point somebody got to get on stage,
somebody got to sign an autograph, somebody got to take
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a picture, you know. And I don't think we want
to see a robot and a computer do that to
the point of touring.
Speaker 1 (44:25):
Today.
Speaker 6 (44:26):
But you know, you never know what this ten years
from now. I'm an analogue dude.
Speaker 7 (44:30):
I come up on a tracks and putting forty five's
on the record play at all that. I'm not knocking it,
but I think we don't understand it enough to utilize
it in the way that we're trying to utilize it.
Speaker 2 (44:43):
I think that's the real problem with him.
Speaker 7 (44:45):
I don't think he's really thinking of the cons Everybody
uses AI for what they think they can make it
work for, but nobody's thinking about how this could set
back and timl is such a major impactful player in
the entertainment industry that that shit could really people would
follow suit if he became successful.
Speaker 6 (45:04):
If he and this artist becomes successful, this will be
a thing. It will be a whole thing.
Speaker 1 (45:12):
Bun. Let me know what you think. Jadakiss is still
upset about not making the top five on Complex Top
fifty New York lists. If we were to do a
Top fifty Houston list, Bun, if Bun gonna be in the.
Speaker 7 (45:26):
Top teen, there's an argument to that, and I'm gonna
tell you why, because technically I'm from Port Arthur. That's
the way that I've been put in this lexicon. UGK
typically is taken out of that conversation for Houston, Okay,
taking now Texas.
Speaker 1 (45:47):
Oh no, you're gonna have hell trying to be better
than that in Texas. Okay, so we gon since it's
New York, we're gonna make it. We're gonna make it Texas. Digger, No,
you can't even have that conversation. You can't even have
that conversation.
Speaker 7 (46:00):
I mean, I'm not I'm not trying to toot my
own horn, but there's a certain style of rapping that
didn't even really exist in Houston before I started rapping
a certain way, like being a lyricist wasn't necessarily a requirement,
you know what I'm saying. It wasn't necessarily something you
had to do to be successful here because it wasn't
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a demand primary. But I never felt like I felt
like I was already way past my competition here. So
I was competing with everybody, you know what I'm saying. So, yeah,
there's no way you could. The only way you take
me out of it is that it's like, no, but
we don't mean you. We don't mean like you in
face or whatever. But if we talking about everybody top
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five from Texas, man, I gotta wash my mouth on this,
really try to be cool about it. I honestly don't
think there's five people from Houston that can rap better
than me. That's from the state of Texas that's better
than me. I give you DC and scar Face. I
give you DOC and scar Face.
Speaker 2 (47:05):
That's it.
Speaker 6 (47:06):
Maybe three two, maybe recipes three two.
Speaker 1 (47:10):
But yeah, they got Yeah, I'm looking at this list.
Yeah they got they they do got they got Jada.
Damn they got Jada and sixty.
Speaker 6 (47:18):
Ye know they're wrong for that. They very wrong for that.
Speaker 7 (47:20):
And look, I understand because you have to understand that
some of the greatest rappers of all time came from
New York. You know, that's where is I understand why
they would want to honor other people before they honored
Jada kids.
Speaker 2 (47:39):
You know what I'm saying. I get that.
Speaker 7 (47:41):
And but all this shit is relative, right, because in
the early days, wasn't nobody harder than LLL did, weren't
nobody harder than Rock Kim then Kres You know, like
key things are subjective, you know what I'm saying. But
if somebody that lives in the modern time in New
York City is rating New York rappers and they don't
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put Jady Kiss into He's top ten, right, If I
can understand people wanting to argue about whether or not
these top five, if you look at the whole scheme,
but you gotta again, you gotta put the Rock Kims
and the Big Daddy Kanes and the Cougi raps.
Speaker 6 (48:18):
Man.
Speaker 1 (48:18):
They got Big Daddy k Man, they got Big Daddy
Knees so far out, man, the people don't realize how
good Big Daddy Kane was. Big Daddy Kane was is
still like, man.
Speaker 7 (48:26):
We are we sit in all the Jordan, we arguing
Jordan and Lebron all over again. That's all this is.
Different times speak to different different sensitivities, you know what
I'm saying, and that's how people draw these lists. I
can understand him being upset, but at the same time,
it's all subjective, you know what I'm saying. And when
you meet the people that typically make these lists, they
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aren't legitimately, They're not deeped enough in the culture to
really have these conversations with much less give any validity
as ship.
Speaker 6 (48:57):
I don't get these people no weight just because they say,
listen a bunch of music.
Speaker 2 (49:00):
Shit. I just tell a bunch of a bunch of
R and B too. I can't.
Speaker 7 (49:04):
I ain't finishing that I can sing or judge people
who can't sing. I came even home ship.
Speaker 1 (49:13):
All right, Bud, we better close it out on this.
We got our final segment of the day. It's time
for Q and A. Okay, there we go, Q and A.
Uh Joe Bombo's Appalon's playbook. Bun, this was for you, Bun.
B Where are we going to get a Kendrick UGK collapse.
(49:35):
That's a good question. I've not been able to really
have a relationship with Kendrick. That's for somebody that I
literally have not bumped into. Of all the people in
hip hop, I've never bumped into him. But that's not
surprising because Kendred don't really socialize like that outside of.
Speaker 6 (49:51):
You know, his homeboys in LA and people that he
records with.
Speaker 7 (49:54):
It's not somebody that you'll see at Rolling Loud or
Coachella or something like that, or at somebody's release party
or you know, a New Jordan release or something like that.
You just don't socialize like that, you know what I'm saying,
So there's no relationship to even extend the awful.
Speaker 6 (50:11):
I wouldn't even know how to got the email or nothing.
Speaker 3 (50:15):
But I.
Speaker 7 (50:17):
I always want to rap with the best people, you
know what I'm saying, So anybody that's considered one of
the best, that the studio is always open.
Speaker 1 (50:26):
Hugs nine seven three said, Bun, do you think they'll
bring the comments back?
Speaker 7 (50:30):
No, but well they are now they are looking to
bring a w NBA team back to Houston. I know
they're thinking of that, but I don't know if they
would call that team the comments. I'm not sure who
owns that name in that way. I'm not sure the
Rockets ownership if that's something that transfers from owner to
owner or how that works. But I mean, I think
it would be great for the city. I think the
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city would come all the way out. But you got
to understand, if you decide to call a w NBA
team the comments, you got to have the best of
the best on that team, because that's all right, because
y'all have best legacy ever in your UNBA basketball.
Speaker 1 (51:09):
Yeah, you had Coop, you had Sheryl Swoops, you had
Tina Thompson. Oh, y'all would loaded. That's why you won.
Speaker 2 (51:14):
For a hero God bless her recipes.
Speaker 7 (51:18):
Yeah, now we had that squad that's never been as
dominated team as that team was for p right.
Speaker 1 (51:26):
Yes, we're crazy. The first crazy Firz New Jersey said,
let's bring in Mike Jones from Houston for his Houston opinion.
Anyone got his number, Mike is going to come on
in the very near future and guess what, come back
and will have.
Speaker 6 (51:42):
His number ain't changed, He still got that number.
Speaker 1 (51:47):
Kiper Norwood Junior said, UNC and bun be my question,
how many Super Bowls would Peyton Manning have if he
was quarterback for the Patriots and Tom Brady was the
quarterback for the Coats. That's a good question because you've
got to think of the drive that Tom came in with.
There's a big difference between getting drafted here at the
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top and getting drafted at the bottom.
Speaker 6 (52:13):
Both of those put a fire under you, but for
different reasons. And also, I.
Speaker 2 (52:20):
Think initially Peyton might have.
Speaker 7 (52:23):
Had a little bit more knowledge of the game and
naturally fell into that leadership quality, whereas I don't, you know,
Tom was the leader of the locker room, but never.
Speaker 6 (52:33):
The leader of the team. Peyton had power in his
early years.
Speaker 7 (52:38):
Tom gradually gained that power and knew how to utilize
it a little bit different. And then he had Belichick too, right,
and that's a whole different type of discipline.
Speaker 1 (52:47):
I can't That was a whole different animal. Peyton never
had a coach like that that had that kind of
control because Peyton really had to control. Peyton ran practice,
Crayton ran the two minutes, Bacon ran everything and sold
different responsibilities livilages that Brady was never braidy, you know,
like I know Shan.
Speaker 2 (53:06):
Different responsibilities create different people.
Speaker 7 (53:09):
Absolutely, there's a big difference of what's expected from the
big brother than.
Speaker 2 (53:12):
The little brother. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (53:16):
Yep, I absolutely know what you're saying.
Hello, it's your favorite sports thunk here. Don't forget to
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subscribe or you're gonna make Ojo crime. Jim Jones is
joining us as Ojo was breaking it. Man, Jim, how
(00:20):
you doing, bro?
Speaker 2 (00:21):
How you feeling up? Brother?
Speaker 1 (00:23):
You good?
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Yeah? I'm good man. Life is good, God is good.
I can't complain.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Yeah, So talk to us a little about this music thing.
You've been in this thing for a minute now, So
talk about Jim Jones of twenty years ago Jim Jones today.
Have you noticed anything different in the music industry? Have
you noticed have you tried to do anything different with
your sound to keep up with the way the industry
is headed?
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Oh? Yeah, the industry.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
The industry has changed tremendously from when I started.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
It wasn't no social media for one.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Yeah, when I started in two thousand and three with
my first first deal, even before.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
That, when Cam started with his deal.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
So these kids got a bit of advantage when it
comes to marketing the promo that we didn't have. They
had access to a lot of information that we didn't
have a lot of people say it works against us,
but I think it works for us.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
And watching the way that these kids work.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
And in the present day and things like that, I've
learned a lot from them, from how they carry their music,
from how they sell their musics, and from how they
market and promote their music.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Us as being here for so too long, for.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
So long we've seen we tend to get caught up
in our dinosaur ways from yesterday how they carry artists,
but that's not the way they carry artists today. So
they are platinum artists that have their nose up because
they're big platinum artists, but that don't count today's society.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
They don't carry it the same way.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
So what I've chosen to do was always chose to
try to reinvent.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Myself, but not to the point where I'm chasing.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
But there's a medium that reached because I always want
to teach these kids, but I always want to learn
something also, So you know that and reinvent yourself, you've
got to be willing to be disciplined to know what
direction you want to go.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
And when it.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Comes to reinvent itself, I mean, one of the things
I credit do is the the Jim is one of
the biggest attributes to me being able to do uh,
sustain this long in the game. Sustainability is a lawful Jim.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Let me ask you this. And I see this a
lot and a lot, especially in music, and I see
this with and television and entertainment actress actresses. Is like, Man,
every record that he put out, it sounds the same. Okay,
he does something different. Man, he don't sound like the
old guy. He don't sound like he used to Okay.
(02:34):
An actor, they try act or actress, they try to
do a different role than what we're used to see him. Man,
I like when he did that. I don't like this new.
So you want the guy to change. You want the
individual to change and give you something different. And when
they give you something different, you say, they don't sound
the same and you don't like it. So how does
someone win? Now? The person that that I have the
(02:55):
utmost respect for what she's been able to do is Beyonce.
Beyond saying that as big as you can get in
one genre, and she says, you know what, I will
go over here and I'm gonna do this. I mean
it takes it takes some guts jim to do that.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
I mean, she like Michael Jordan.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
With Michael Jordan left the NBA, he went to the
to the MBL, the Major LEA and MLBA. He had
to have a lot of guts, you know what I mean,
Like saying with like d On Dion when he was
playing football and playing baseball and being successful at the
same time and both in both of them sports.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
I mean, and that takes a lot of heart.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
I haven't seen anybody else do that successfully the way
that Beonso has has done it. So I took my
hat to the barriers that she continued to break inside
of this music industry.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
Hey, Jimmy, what do you think right now about the
state of the state of hip hop where it is
right now? How do you feel about it, especially with
the young dudes with the sound now?
Speaker 5 (03:51):
Obviously, I think when it comes.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
To to rap in general, hip hop in general, I
think the sound changes every ten years. What do you
how do you about this era of hip hop right
now that we're in Do you like it?
Speaker 5 (04:03):
Have you embraced it?
Speaker 3 (04:04):
What I mean my in my opinion doesn't matter because
I have my time where we would dictating the sound
of music and we had a ball and there were
older people that was hating.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
On the time that we had and things like that.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
I encourage these youngsters to be as creative as they can,
as long as it's connecting with their crowded and people
are singing your shit and they're going to your to your.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Shows, And who am I to say I don't like
that music when they're out here's thinking ship. You know
what I mean? You did it.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
So it's like you gotta find you gotta stay true
to yourself, but find your rhythm in the mix of
what's going on. Use you're gonna be lost in the soul.
So you're gonna be looking like an old dude. You're
gonna be looking like the has been. You're gonna you understand,
I'm not into that. My energy ain't flood that you're heard.
If I'm gonna be a contender in this game, I'm
gonna play at the top, at the top.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Of my ability to play. You know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
I'm not gonna take no shortcuts enough in a minute.
In a minute, I mean I gotta contend with the
younger boys. I gotta contend with the older boys. That
means I gotta come through stepping. They only respect balance
and not to say bounce. But you know what I mean,
Like they got to see that ship you dig while
I'm in the game, I'm gonna show them that ship.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Like.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
People don't get a twisted like I'm I'm a man
of many, many different things. Like my rapper hat is one.
It's one hat to that with. But if I'm rapping
and I'm in it, I'm in it.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
What's up?
Speaker 3 (05:16):
I'm going against all odds and what I gotta do
to maintain be a contender in this game to keep
feeding my family and making the money that make off this.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
I think people get that twisted when they see me
talking and pop up my ship and.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Ship like that. That's just one character that I gotta
put out there for you all to eat up, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
But I'm.
Speaker 5 (05:34):
Matter fact, hold on, I got I'm gonna ask you.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
I I just I saw some I saw some comments
and saw a clip about you know, and you and Push.
I'm not sure if you and Push, you know, got
these type of beef or whatever. I just saw something
about you. You talk about the age trumpet.
Speaker 5 (05:49):
You did you didn't like, you didn't like the album
to like the song. Uh you know what he raps
about it not I.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Don't got a little beef with it. I don't got
a little beef for nobody.
Speaker 6 (05:58):
Okay, okay.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Half of half of it is my opinion. Half of
it is me bending the algorithm.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
Half of that is feeding into people's simplicity because the
social media is for that, you know what I mean.
And like I said, I'm a rapper in this game.
It comes with the territory. You gotta be very competitive.
It is a very competitive sport and you better have
some thick skin.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
I ain't say nothing.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
I want to hurt nobody, do nothing, nobody.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Everything. I've been talking about that strictly about the art
of world.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
When it comes to the music nowadays now, maybe ten
years ago, fifteen years ago, it would have been a
different outcome of what I was, you.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
When I was, I'm not on that, and I think
a lot of that gets twisted.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
And with the Jim Jones of today and things like that.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
I ain't got a puzzle nobody, and I ain't got
no optional nothing. And you know, it's part of me
that I've been working on every day.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
So tell sometimes I talk way too.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Fast than I should hurt, but it's part of the game.
I don't care you hate it.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
I'm gonna turn it into into a victory for me.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Yes, check it out, Jim. It's seems to me since
this past summer what passed last summer when Kendrick had
that disk, It seemed like now people are just like,
you know, hey, we saw the success that Kendrick had,
got five Grammys, he hosted you know, halftime, showed the
Super Bowl, blah blah blah. We see a lot more
(07:17):
dissing going on if that what if that were we're
headed now?
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Dan, and where you've been at you don't remember you've
seen the success that Tupac had it? Yeah, look you
see the success.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
What about what about Jacob?
Speaker 1 (07:32):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (07:32):
This is a competitive sport. The rap is built on that.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
So Kendrick and Drake having what they have was no
surprise through the rap industry. I mean people look at
it as something, but this is what the art the
rap is about.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
It's a very.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
Competitive sport and you got to be ready to be
on top of your game when it comes to that.
So if you put something out, you got to be
ready for the same energy to come back at you.
That's what rap is about. Some people don't go down
the lane. Some people go around that lane. Some people
go right through it. I'm wanted to people that go
right through it wouldn't lose a draw. I keep the
same face, but hold.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
On, hold on, Jim, Jim, bro, I'm not looking for
you to come at me. I put you on. Remember
I used to have you on my I used to
have I used to use the tour with me. You
used to open up for me.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Bro.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
You know you remember that right well? That nobody what
booking you. You remember that jam.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
You heard this song, you heard this you heard the same.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
When rivals, I mean idols become your rivals, That's what
the rap game is about. Did Alan Olison hesitate to
shake Michael Jordan up when he got in the NBA?
You know, okay because he was on another team. I
might not stop the love he had for Mike. But
while we on this battlefield, my team gotta win and
I wouldn't to kill anybody that's in front of me
for my team to win. And that was Alan Olson's attitude.
(08:46):
You gotta understand what happens when you come into this game.
Your idols become your rivals. There's no passes. When we're
on the other team, we meet you at the party,
we could laugh pop champagne. But right now while we're
on this field, while we're on his court, Oh I'm
coming to scrape show.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Now, we can't popping no more sham. You got people
laughing at me. And guess what they playing in the
football game. They played at the basketball game, not like us.
Oh no, we can't pop no champagne after that. Hey,
a matter of fact, I'm gonna close the club down.
Hey if he ain't if he coming, I ain't coming.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
I mean, but I just told you that's what it is.
Is competitive the sport. Now you gotta it got different
levels to it and things like that. But that's what
this was built on, you heard. So it's it's sad
that they gotta go to such lamps when it comes
to artists getting at each other when it comes to
the music. But which we want you project is what
(09:34):
you're gonna get. So just have that same energy you
put out there, because somebody coming right back at you
with that same energy sooner or later.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Well, let me ask you.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Let me ask you one more question, don't Joe. So
are we gonna get some new music? Because we saw
you and Cam kind of going back and forth, and
the Dip said, coming back, y'all gonna leak up together
and give us some new music? Yes or no?
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Right now, worried about myself, Dip set has always Dip said,
the birds still fly. I've been having a bird on
my back for the passage years when nobody was worried
about you think. So that's gonna go. But right now,
I gotta worry about me. I gotta worry about my end.
Deva's gotta worry about my business. I gotta worry about
my family.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Think.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
I've done a lot for diplomats where it didn't do
me nothing at the time. But right now, where I'm
at in my life, what works for me, and what
I'm worried about is myself. I can't tell you what
the future may hold or what the future may bring.
I'm not taking nothing off the table, you think, But
right now it's about Jim Genes and yeah, I am
a diplomat owner.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Bet go ahead, Joe.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
I like that.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
Listen, you took the question I was finna ask, and
I think I think you know what, History repeats itself, Jimmy,
History ors repeat itself. And most of the time when
history repeat itself, it comes back even big and better.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
I think Diplomats is gonna have her.
Speaker 5 (10:40):
They're gonna have reunion. I think y'all boys going re unite.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
And despite your differences, despite whatever situation y'all might have,
you know, all that can be fixed.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Behind closed doors.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
That ain't nothing but a conversation that just got to
be had, especially making that money.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Or check.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
You're a nice check always things demn you heard. Oh
I'm a stupid man. You heard you did, But I
understand that.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
But right now where I'm at, until that happens, until
some business gets put on the table with advantage just
for all sides. Right now, I got to worry about
what Kapo was doing. And it's been working for me
that way, you know. I mean, I've been staying out
of anybody's way a little bit, you know what I mean,
trying to every day.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Work on me. Every day. I get better than things
like that.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
You think I'm I'm unapologetic.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
You dig and I don't have no regrets, you know me?
But I do.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
I do work on myself every day, you know. I mean,
I'm not a perfect man. You did, but I'm the
perfect example of what could happen if you stay damn
till you come on.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
And that's what I did plenty of times.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
I got Jim when like, look you won the OJ's rap.
I mean, hip hop is fifty years of age. You've
been in this thing two decades.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
I ain't fifty. I'm forty eight.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
I said hip hop fifty.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
I thought you were shooting it at me my bed.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
Nah nah na, hip hop is fifty. But you've been
in this thing for two decades, right.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
I've been in this thing, so yes, it's a little
bit more than this. Since nineteen ninety seven came on,
got his first deal. So I'm like twenty eight years
in two percent and I've been signed. I've been signed
my first deals two decades ago.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
How do you determine who you How do you determine
who you work with?
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Now?
Speaker 1 (12:12):
When you want to work with the young artists? Uh,
how do you go about that? How do you like man?
I kind of like him. I think we can make
some beautiful music together.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
I mean, I hold no pressure.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
I'm looking for great music, and I'm looking looking for
great aesthetic.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Music get everything in today's world when it comes to music.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
If you've got a lifestyle that you could sell these
kids could buy into, then that's just as good as
having a great hit song and things like that.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
And that's how it worked for me.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
So it's a combinations of things that I look for
to work with the arts, so to do business with
the artists, but as far as doing music with the
artists and things like that, I'm just saying I'm a
love of music. So if I hear a record that
I and I think it's dope, and I think the
artist is dope, I'm to reach.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Out to him.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
How do you stay motivated? All?
Speaker 2 (12:56):
We lost him?
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Yeah, I think we lost it.
Speaker 5 (13:00):
Oh damn that was that was good. I was enjoying that.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Man.
Speaker 5 (13:05):
Hey, I'm thinking, I'm thinking, I'm thinking about I'm thinking
about rapping, man.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Shoot man, what do you think, oh Joe, what you're
gonna rap about now? With yo?
Speaker 2 (13:18):
For me?
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (13:20):
Hey, I mean, I'm just saying I'm gonna rap about
things that that I've experienced in life. You know that
that's that's the that's the best thing to wrap about it.
That's the most rappers they rap about the things that
they've experienced, you know, the ups and downs.
Speaker 5 (13:31):
The goods, the bad, you know, the the ws, the l's.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
I think I could put it together, you think, so,
oh there we go?
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Are you back? Oh?
Speaker 3 (13:43):
Yeah, like you look like a French painter with a
little bit biggie from Brooklyn with that on, you know.
Speaker 5 (13:50):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I just can't. I just came
from the south of France.
Speaker 4 (13:53):
I was down there for six days, so I just
got back yesterday.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
That's the I'm still on my on my swave.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
My still spilling that ship. I'll get it. I get.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
At at this junk sh of the game. What keeps
you motivated? What gifts Jim makes Jim jump out of bed,
pressed down hard as he can and press go. What
what keeps you going?
Speaker 2 (14:21):
I will say the money.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
But I've been making money for a long time, and
the opportunity to take care of my family.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
I've been doing that for a long time.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
At this point, I've been doing a lot, so I've
been My mission has been to give back more than
I took. But I was able to take a lot
and I'm still taking. So That's where I'm at in
life right now. You know what I mean, the more
blessed people, the morow get blessed. And it's just a
testament of hard work and being resilient and and and
being in real with yourself.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
I mean, can I ask you a question, Jim, you
smoke right?
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Were you smoking? When you say you better than ODS?
Speaker 3 (14:57):
I might have been a little bit well as far
as litt Let's get this right, I'm way more influencial
than Nas. And I don't care what nobody say.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
I know I made it. I know I made a
little boobo when.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
He talk about the sales and all this type of ship,
I don't feel like get into.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
That rhetoric about where I started away. But listen, NAS
was nice when I was in high school. When I
was in tenth grade, Nas came out. Nas was dope.
We appreciate him. He had a little bit run.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
But NAS always came up second to Jay and DM
Mexan all these other people like.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
That.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
He never had that type of influence on us except
for his first album.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
I already told you I used to.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
Want to dress like Nas because he had a lot
of fresh clothes that the hustlers used to wear and
ship and we used to see him on TV. He
had one of the Illis albums of all time, and
then in high school when he had the barbecue.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
And ship like that.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
So I'm a real fan of Nous, but he kind
of lost me after Bell the movie Belly and ship
like that.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
Like I don't go ahead on that gym.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
I'm trying to tell you, I'm being hot. You want
you ask me, I'm being a fan.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
I'm telling you from the movie Belly was fired, but
after that he kind of lost me. I don't think
I think we was way too much into the game.
Remember how this goes. That's not you ever heard of
a koofie list? Yeah, Yo, go back into your history
and find out what happened between us and him. You
didn't And I'm not trying to repeat history, but don't
play with us when it comes to that, Bro, we
already when when?
Speaker 2 (16:07):
When? When? When wild on them boys? You hurt? We're
the ones that went wild on them boys, Jim and and.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
People out here acting like I said, I'm gonna bring.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
The Coofie list back. I just told you I'm gonna
change man. Stephan Law, can you.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Do look I'm putting Bro, you've been at this thing,
but lyrically I would be I'm gonna keep it a
stack with you.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Look how you dressed. You don't even be in the
same place as i'd be in. And the things that
listen the.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Church, you can't.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
You can't.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Know who told you that, Bro, A bunch of be real.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
You got a bunch of forty and fifty year olds
in their panties because I said, I'm better.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Than Look at the diplomats.
Speaker 5 (16:55):
But you I.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
Got Jimmy, you want to go back. I really mean it,
I really mean it started. If you could go back
to what the history, bro. Don't do that.
Speaker 6 (17:08):
Bro, I got a question.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
I got a question.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
Stick up for itself and meet me in a booth
for something. If we want to do something historically.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
You say, he don't do that. No more.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
No, so he don't because he got a hundred million dollars.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
He's a very wealthy man.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
You heard, he's a very small business man.
Speaker 5 (17:25):
Hold on, hold on, Jimmy, hold on, I got a question.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
Hold on, hold on, hold hold on, jim hold on,
hold on, I got a question, Jimmy. And anything that
you do right, I've heard you preach it all the time,
right when you was playing football.
Speaker 5 (17:38):
You your first thing. You always say, ain't nobody here
better than me?
Speaker 2 (17:42):
All again?
Speaker 5 (17:44):
You know told me that.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Anybody in this world.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
Jimmy stayed with me real quick, stay with me now,
don't stay with me now. But I'm just saying that mentality.
Isn't that how you supposed to feel? Isn't that how
you suppose the field?
Speaker 1 (18:02):
You know? So let me ask your question. When you
was on the field, you thought you was better than
t O in Moss? Hell, yeah, what you mean? You done?
Came on here and saying I ain't better than Moss,
I'm not better than t O. I'm not better than Rice.
You said, I'm not playing the game no more. But
you wouldn't you when you were playing the difference?
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Jill?
Speaker 1 (18:21):
You talking? You need to get with the lock.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Still, I'm still playing. I'm still playing at the high level.
I'm still playing. Get j Jada. I'm rapping all. I'm
rapping at a high level. You better check my stats, bro.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
I want.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
I will run circles around Nas wrapping right. I will
run circles around Nas wrapping right now, right now, I
fattening around Nas right now, rapping. Everybody knows that.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
The past he put it down.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
I will run laps around nas wrapping right now.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Bro Jaim, are you right now? But I and I'm
still in it.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
I'm still in it. Cam was smoking his boots. I
wasn't rapping when he was rapping. But Cam really got
at him. You remember, I really mean it. We've been
getting at them boys. But it's not about that right now,
twenty twenty five. I'm in the game, still rapping at
a high capacity. If now he's wants to smoke, come
in a booth.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
I will wrap.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
He enjoyed that fifty million million, so that leave me
alone while.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
I'm on the field.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
You're laughing with him. I'm on the field.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
I'm picking on whoever, whoever, whatever. I don't cheer.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
I'm on the field. And guess who's the most Guess
who on the field?
Speaker 1 (19:44):
You guess you need to call like Kendrick, You need
to call somebody that's still in it. He ain't in it.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
Why can't you get age? Can you get my age?
I wasn't the day.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
My error, I ain't got that's.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Not my error. He retired. Have you ever heard of retirement?
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Well that's my error.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
So I'm calling all of them out. I don't care
if you retired or not, deal with it.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
If not, jack me.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
In the booth, and I'm just telling you, let's get
Let's just get. Let's get this right.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
I'm not mad. It's about the sportsmanship of the game.
People know I am a very aggressive person, and that
seems to get misconstrued when I'm talking my ship.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
I'm just talking my ship. You let me talk my
ship because I am on the field.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
If anybody got a problem with that, they can meet
me on the field.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
That is the booth.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
Anybody from that error, anybody, anybody from that error.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Anybody well you and Jada in the same era.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Anybody from that eraror don't see Jada stop and saying.
Anybody from that error, I'm not scared of nobody.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
You speed right now.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
Anybody from that I'm in the field daily, in the daily.
Anybody want to work out, tell him come to the field.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
We got this is the perfect opportunity. You're not even
paying attention. Your antennas ain't up right now. Listen, he said,
anybody from his error. Anybody he in the field right, ship.
We can have our own verses on that, our own nightcap.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
Versus I got, I got It's deeper than the verses.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
It's about who's making music.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
Me in the booth, put the record up, give us
a time to do the record by, give us a subject,
and let's.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
See who want to smoke. Who on the booth is
Come on.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
It's about the ship. It's about the craftsmanship. Fuck the numbers.
Fuck the records. You heard, because we both got records
that can smash. We both got nigga. Meet me in
the booth. Fuck all that old school ship. We're playing
on records from twenty years ago. I am not nostalgic, nigga.
It's twenty twenty five. Don't want to smoke. Met me
in the booth. Set it up and we could do
it for money. Labels to pay for it.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
How y'all want to do it. We can make a
spectacle out here. You got it, Gotsman, you heard?
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Yeah, I got Noads. What I got God?
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Well, get him in.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
I got I got Jay.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
Listen, if you go, you.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
Get anybody in the booth, I will pull up by
myself on my Yes.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Why would you want to get you? When you get
them that mic, they can't help.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
You start spending, You're gonna get to help you hey,
you're not seeing the vision.
Speaker 6 (22:39):
The opportunity.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
You gotta start buying bagg of your clothes. Big fellow, big.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Man, you talk about you in the gym. Now you
want to get me. You want to want me to
see me in the gym. We can do like to talk.
That is in the gym, we're.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
Talking about working you're talking about working out of talking
about working out on strength.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
Whatever you want to do it.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
We're talking about that you got money, and we're talking
about what your money, where your mom feels you got
So you're talking about you're talking.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
About working out. I burn you. You're talking about working
out of strength because you probably can out more than.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
What you're probably talking whatever.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
But if you're talking about.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
Working out, you're talking about working out, I burn you.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
This ain't what you do. This ain't what you want.
You're doing when you're talking about you.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Don't want to see it is take the stack. You
don't better go to my I g set it up.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Please set it up.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
I'd be the Hey lord, you guys like you, you
want to start on.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
You don't want to leave you what you want to
start on?
Speaker 1 (23:41):
You do you just want to.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
Put a training in petition you knock out shoe sho
come there landing tomorrow and give you this shoe. Bro,
you're too small. Bro, you're talking. You're talking a lot.
What you want to do?
Speaker 2 (24:02):
I want to do it.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
You stick to what you do. You good on't get
away from you.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
But you make some money. Do you want to do
it or not?
Speaker 5 (24:14):
I want to compete to what we doing.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Start with you can't you Let me tell you.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
Let me tell you one story. Let me tell you
one story. Let me tell you one story. I'm gonna
tell you one story. How I met Antonio Brown. My
son said, Yo, you know Antonio Brown live up the
block because I live on the beach and ship like that.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
I'm like, who is that? He like? He showed it
to my d M dum. He's like, oh yeah, your
son play football, Come get this workout.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
So I get on the beach, Cam Newton and like
a few other NFL player, ain't gonn see nobody in name.
He made cure of them go home because I was.
I finished the workout before they finished the workout. Bro,
do not play with me. I'm a beast nigga. I
will I will, Shannon, I will go crazy over what
do you want to do work. You want to work
out or you want to do strong ship you heard
(25:00):
because obviously you can lift long to me, but you
can't work out with me.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Bro, I'm a beast, Nigga, You a beast.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Yeah, you can't.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Do one muscle up nothing. You can't do nothing with me.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Bro, Dude, you weigh one hundred and fifty pounds. You
should do muscle up.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
I weigh I weigh one ninety five. Hey, I weigh
one ninety five. Hey, Jim, you go to my instagram.
Go to my instagram right now. Work out every day?
Speaker 2 (25:25):
I post it.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
I don't post it. Don't play with I work out
the secret.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
I post it every day. Nigga, what's up?
Speaker 1 (25:31):
I don't post and I don't post nothing.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
What day you want me to come to Atlanta?
Speaker 1 (25:35):
I ain't even in that, ma'am. I'm gonna come see you.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Won't come to New York and we got gyms. When
you want to do it?
Speaker 1 (25:41):
You want to do right on the show.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
You want to do a live on the show, thirty
minute way out.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
I don't do anything for show, just me and you,
and I just want you to know that I can
you doing what you do.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
You see what I'm saying. Old show?
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Hey, how you about show? I went in too.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
I want into the Show's the dough?
Speaker 1 (26:00):
You never heard that?
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Yeah? No, do no show? What's stop? You scared?
Speaker 1 (26:05):
You can do it a pay per view.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
I know you've got a lot on the line because
you're a.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Professional football player. A football player.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
I retire, I retired, took picked.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Up our older rappers.
Speaker 5 (26:23):
Hey when we gonna compete?
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Because I ain't nothing but on the microphone. When it
comes to the gym, that ain't happening.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
What you want to what you want to do? What
you want to do?
Speaker 1 (26:35):
Look here, you have the rap game. That's you. That's
your era, that's your that's your era, that's what your
era of expertise. Yeh, I n ain't I a fin
to waste my time dealing with you. Man, say you
ain't on this level?
Speaker 2 (26:48):
You would have run sprints? You want to warn routes
what you want to do?
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Or you just want to stay in the gym.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
And I got a damn sing and I still give
you work. Oh you want to stay in the gym, I'm.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
Staying in the new gym. I don't want to do
nothing of that. Iron I don't move nothing but iron.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Yeah, yeah, what I thought.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
We can check my resume.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
It's expensive and thirty minutes you will not You won't
last thirty minutes with me. You want me to follow you,
or you want to follow me?
Speaker 2 (27:17):
How you want to do it?
Speaker 1 (27:19):
You can't follow me. I'm a record and you can't
do nothing. You can't bitch, you can't squad, you can't.
You can't do nothing. You want to do body weight movements.
I don't do body weight movement.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
You better go check my gram.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
I do search the squats, I do regular squads, we
do deadalus, we do everything.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Are you out your mind? Here?
Speaker 1 (27:36):
That little with you? One hundred and ninety five pounds man?
What I look like going to be is one hundred
ninety five pounds man in the gym. Not wasting my time?
Speaker 7 (27:43):
Now?
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Yo?
Speaker 1 (27:44):
Take that.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Well, I'm skipping out. But where I'm from, a challenge
is a challenge. Nigga.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
Yeah, regardss to size, right, we fight all bullies where
I'm from.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
That's a nigga. I hated no man or nothing. Nigga.
Speaker 6 (28:02):
You heard.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Under you ask what I look what I look like?
Taking over Greenland? They didn't got no damn military.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
What you like?
Speaker 3 (28:12):
What you're looking, bro, bring your mouth and your body
to haul them.
Speaker 5 (28:16):
Let's go to the gym.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
Let's go to the gym. He wanted to do.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
I was one of these rappers.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
You thought I was one of these out of shape rappers.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
No, I'm in super shape. I'm not in I'm in
super shape.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Hey, Apple is a shape pair egg, I'm not doing shape.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
I'm in super shape. And you can ask.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Everybody the conversation. Sometimes you see what you did.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
Why do you think I was on the cover of
Man's House for my looks?
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Because I get busy?
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Oh Lord, have mercy.
Speaker 5 (28:52):
When were going in the gym? Because I want I
want this work.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
I'm busy. I want this work.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
You now you busy? You bring it up. Now you're busy, Richmond.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
You you owe your copaid. First of all, you chat,
you Wane, Nads, you want Jada, you want everybody. And
then you try to come.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
And I you said that, you said that, you start
bringing up John. Don't try no flic ship. I said,
I don't care who it is. I will go up
against Jim Jones.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
He's a better rapper than Nods. Jim Jones can defends
himself against NODS comparison. Jim Jones rejects NODS comparison. Check
my record, Jim Jones, arguing he's bigger than nods.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
You said that you sound like a little hot you
over there hot in your.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Feelings because me and everybody else pretty fiction.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Your glasses a little bit, Your glasses little crooked.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
My glasses are fine. You can talk about I take
him off. You can see, and I still can see.
You can't if with nods I put them back on.
You still can't. If with nods, come.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
On, since six seeing bars and nods right now, Sing
your favorite NAS record right now, the man busy, sing it,
sing it.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Sing your favorite NOS record first of all.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
Uh, once you get to a certain god, listen, sing
your favorite NAS record. Jim, I bet you know your
favorite jay Z record. Hey, I bet you could say
your favorite what Jim? Sing your Okay, you done flew high,
you came back down. Now sing your favorite NAS record, bro,
since you since you, since you're going crazy for I
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can sing more, Nozen, I can sing MORENAS records.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Than right now.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
I can sing I could sing MORENAS records than you
right now. So you you are tapping you are tapping.
That's what you do, Bro, you are. I'm a bigger
NAS fan.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
Than you are.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
You are.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
First of all, I don't be singing no rap't be
singing no rap.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
And see what I'm saying, Oh Joe, he don't even
know about rap. He just doing this for the views
to get Jim Jones on it, to.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Get him hot. I understand, but you.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
Don't get your hot. You know you know you Betta
check the podcast now, now you better.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Talk sixteen hey singing this biggest.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Podcast you ever on one, Nodge mister bigg podcast, you've
ever been on this one?
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Hold on, hold on to the podcast.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Than your feelings. When you get big, you get it without.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
This is what I do.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Nod get in Bay, the Jannakis get in by the club.
You number yet, Broy, just.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
A little young hold out top would be bro off topic.
You're dealing with the wrong one. Bro. Right here, Bro,
I don't care nothing about nothing. That's just you got
to say. Bro.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
You must day We we hear them. You can't down
your alone.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
Bro.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
You might get out right me, but you get out
talk me.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
Don't nobody want to go to the club, Shay say,
nobody want buy no v I p tickets to that ship.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Nobody rushing to go to that ship. Biggest, you gotta go.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
You gott the Paul cat a tremendous you sho do
your thing. Don't get it twisted, bro, I don't see
nothing about the fucking podcast.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
We're supposed to.
Speaker 4 (32:15):
Be talking about the music and love and embracing one
of and.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
Culture and mine to come out here in disrespect nods
and Jada? Now they're gonna happen on here.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
Now?
Speaker 1 (32:27):
What were we?
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Why you keep putting Jada into this? Why you keep
putting Ja into this? What's wrong with you?
Speaker 1 (32:33):
Well, that's wrong with you, bro.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
You takee a nigga, get caught like, nah, come out?
They call us all like, why are you trying to
put Jada into this?
Speaker 2 (32:40):
Bro? Not get it, bro, It's all good. It's all love, Bro,
all right, you died about this here, tell us all love.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
When you got coming out?
Speaker 2 (32:47):
The next movie? What you said?
Speaker 1 (32:49):
Yeah, you got a movie coming out.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
Bro, coming after After Church Steps, a lovely movie. I
got a bunch of comedians in there, a bunch of
influences that we all know.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
I'm excited to put that movie out.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
Coms out later on this summer's uh it's an ad
added onto my album had a bunch of go bactors in.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
There too, so I'm looking forward to that.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
So are you Are you more proud? Are you most
proud of the movie you have coming out, or the
new music you got coming out or the equal.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
I'm more proud of the business that I've been doing lately.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
Okay, See, you must.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
Think my life revolves around music when my life is.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
Music is just probably the smallest fraction of my life,
even though it fuse a lot of the things that
comes to my life because of music. But I'm a
great businessman all around the board, you know what I mean.
So you got to learn a lot of a lot
more about me. And I'm a philanthropist. I wanted one
of the few people that do give back. Shirts off
my backs and things like that. All alrhetoric about the
wrapping back and forth. It's cool and shit like that,
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but deep down inside.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
I'm away, I'm away ill a man, and what we
over here.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
Going off about and things like that, Like I'm my
biggest attribute is my giving back and I'm gonna always
do that no matter what.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
I don't want people to get it, get it misconsured.
You know. I love to give back. That's what my
whole mission is about. And the more I go viral with,
the more and more you explore page, the more opportunities
come to me, the more I could give back.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
All this comes down to a dollars where people don't
understand this algorithm.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
It's a game that I had to learn and understand
because I.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
Was previously I probably would crash out so many things
that I see on the Internet or so many ways
that people are talking about me. I had to learn
how to reverse it and use these things. It's fuel
for me to keep going and things like that, And
that's just what I've been doing. I got to a
point where I got good at it, so I know
how to use it in my favor. And it's a
beautiful thing. It could go against you, it could go
for you. But one thing, if you're a small person,
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that's gonna work. It's gonna work in your favor, you
know what I mean. So I use all my opportunities
to turn it into a dollar. And anytime that I've
seen heard, they're gonna go wan want to know about me?
Extra stream is an extra dollar. I don't care about
what nobody said. I name mindset all facets.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
I mean, that's what I wanted to ask you. I
wanted to ask when did When was it always a
part of your like if you ever made it that
you were going to give back, because like you said,
you do, you do give back to the younger generation.
You do give back to your community. When did that
thought that thought process? How did how did that come about?
Jim Jones? Like, you know, what if I get to
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a certain level and I'm able to help and I'm
able to get give back, That's what I'm gonna do.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
You know, we're from an older era, a godfare era.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
So you know I watched my family open their house
as strangers sometimes and things like that.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
They was always a given and not to mention when
I'm coming.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
Outside and watching the hustles doing for the community, the
ones that were successful, the ones that always came back.
Bus rides, sneakers, headcuts and all that. So I just
chose to carry on tradition and me be in a
position of success in my life only helped me to
do a little bit more than what I've seen coming up.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
That's what's up. That's good, bro. Hey, I'm gonna pull
up in Harlem.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
Come on, I'm waiting for you.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
Man.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
I love you. I love you.
Speaker 4 (35:52):
He hey, Jimmy, Hey, if you if you put up
for harllerm we gotta go to Ricardo's.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
No, we gotta go to Ricardos. You know. I love you.
I love people. I love people that I could go
back and forth with.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
And people don't take you heard because a lot of
people look at this and might take offense to it.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
But we are they are, but we don't care. We
and we know who we are.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
You like, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
We can never let you know, electronics get in between realism.
We know what set state care and we know what
we're doing. You dig and I appreciate you for.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
That because a lot of people would have took everything
to a fence and the like.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
But we all who we are.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
Man, I appreciate this opportunity. Man, you do have a
great show. I cannot take that from you.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
I appreciate you coming.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
Come on, Okay, could bring him the hall on, let's
work out.
Speaker 5 (36:42):
He not as strong as he say though. He's not
as strong.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
Talking you know. Yeah you hey, hey, Jem, real talk though, man.
I appreciate you coming on and I. We really appreciate it.
We appreciate the time, and but I've never you know, hey,
we have a great time going back and forth talking
about nods and jade and you. But bro, you stand
to test the time.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
You do what you do.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
You're great at what you do. And I appreciate you
taking time out of your business schedule to night to
come on with out you and I and talk about
all things. So we I had a great time. I
don't know about YO, but I had a great time.
Speaker 4 (37:18):
Listen, listen, this is this was iconic tonight, This was
iconic anytime you got This is the funny thing about
it is people not gonna understand what y'all you're.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
Gonna be treating the gym. You know, we're gonna be
a stormy in the morning. People not gonna understand that
this is what we do.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
This is this is what we do, This is this
is how we act, just how we get together like people.
Speaker 7 (37:39):
This is it.
Speaker 4 (37:40):
Like yeah, hey man, I appreciate Hey, this wasn't nothing
but a space game without the cars.
Speaker 3 (37:45):
That's all one hundred percent our whole attitude of spades, all.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
All the time, all the time. Hey, you thing one
if I was at hallerm, He's like, Okay, let's go
find the gym right now. We'll find out what we
what we.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
Bout one hundred percent, one hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
We stand on that. Hey, but Jim, hey man, best
of luck on the album, best of luck on the movie.
Speaker 7 (38:08):
Man.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
Hey, when you get some free time, stop back, bye bye.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
I will.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
I appreciate that all love you.
Speaker 5 (38:14):
Remember Hey, hey, o Yo, that was that was That
was awesome.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
That that was That was Joe. Now you know, Hey,
everybody gonna say, man, Jim, Joe to shout the shop
with Goring. Maybe Hey, no, they.
Speaker 5 (38:31):
Don't understand it.
Speaker 4 (38:32):
Any anybody that say that they don't play spades, they
don't play space.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
But oh, Joe, I've been has been a while since
I've been able to get that. Oh, I've been sitting
on them for two months now. I was just I
would just wait, I would just I would just waiting
on the right time, won't yo, just wait on the
right time. Timberland got blasted on social media for using
a producer's beat and a producer's tag to train his
(38:59):
AI platform Suno. Tim previewed a demo record which utilized
the beat tag from Kfresh and lyrics from TikTok creator.
He sought to make a new version of the song,
but users quickly noticed they were a bit too similar.
They called out the Virginia producer using real music made
by human beings to train AI without crediting or paying them.
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Bun and I remember, I remember having a conversation with
Tim because I had him on the pod and he
said he was nervous about this. Bun. Do you think
about the controversy? What do you think is going on
with Tim and this new AI creator?
Speaker 7 (39:36):
I think I think, for one, it's uncharted territory, and
I think it's still in the very early stages of
the technology. I think it's going to grow over leaps
and bounds over the next couple of years. Because they
covered so much ground in the last ten years with
AI technology.
Speaker 6 (39:53):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 7 (39:54):
AI companies are starting to pop up more and more,
and they're all billion dollar companies. People are flooding these
companies with all kinds of money. I think it's I
think this is the problem. I think that we're not
thinking about this what they're doing now all. The only
way that AI can do these things is if you
feed it information. You have to feed it information. I know,
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on a very small level, on the introductory level, there
are musicians who are feeding AI machines their voices, their cadences,
their tones, some of them the way they play instrumentation.
And now the AI program can replicate what a rhyme
from you would sound like without you having to write it,
what chords being played would sound like without you having
(40:35):
to play on You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (40:37):
That's very dangerous. Here's the real danger though, shon what
I believe.
Speaker 7 (40:42):
We live in a digital world, right, all these everything
digital has what they call watermarks, right, and watermarks and
what they use to track the technology as it goes
out into the world, so companies can be like, oh,
that's what they're doing, that's our technology. I bet you
can find it in the code, right, that kind of thing.
I think everybody that's utilizing this stuff right now. I
(41:06):
feel like one day chat GPT can wake up one
day and say, everybody that's ever made music using my technology,
we own a piece center, and there's nothing you can say.
I don't believe anybody's read their agreement, right. I'm sure
if somebody got through these Chat GPT and all these
different AI companies agreements when you agree to utilize the
(41:27):
technology or download the app and all of that, I
guarantee that they are going to go back find out
everything that was created using their technology, that profited that
was sent out into the world as commerce and people
spent money on it. They gonna come back then, same
way that older artists are coming back because somebody sampled
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their music. Right, I've created that. You took my creation
and manipulated it without paying me.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
You owe me money.
Speaker 7 (41:57):
I believe these people are giving this techechnology out to
people for free in the hopes that they utilize it
unknowmingally giving these companies a piece of this intellectual property,
because it's all intellectual property, you know what I'm saying.
So I think I won't touch it, I won't download
it nothing, because not that I'm against it, you know.
Speaker 2 (42:17):
For recreational use.
Speaker 7 (42:18):
I guess that's fine if it helps organize things or
put things together.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
You know, however, that I understand.
Speaker 7 (42:24):
But when we're talking about utilizing this technology to manipulate
intellectual properties, bro, we're playing the dangerous ass game, because
somebody could just start feeding AI Timulin's beat structures, you.
Speaker 2 (42:37):
Know what I'm saying.
Speaker 7 (42:38):
They can start utilizing his drum patterns and put that
in and make a trembling record without him, you know,
and you're opening yourself up, quite frankly with the way
he's doing it, to a whole lot of litigation and
a whole lot of trouble Personally. I don't think America
is the market for that. Japan, China's been doing it
(42:58):
for years, you know what I'm saying. But that's a
cultural thing. They're they're so they socialize different in certain countries.
So having a relationship with someone that that, I know,
this shit sounds crazy, but having a relationship with a machine,
for some people fits their lifestyle a lot better. It
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doesn't work like because they don't have they don't have
the social graces to go out and meet people and
and commune with people in that way.
Speaker 6 (43:28):
So this is a healthy, in their minds alternative.
Speaker 7 (43:32):
But here now, at some point, we don't want to
see somebody get on stage and saying this shit, you
know what I'm saying, And you know it's it's the
it's the allure, right, it's the allure like making the
stallion is a famous person because men find her attractive,
women find her attractive. You know what I'm saying. There's
there's an allure to it. Japan and China has that
(43:55):
very strange relationship with technology in that way where they
they don't just make robots, they have relationships with robots
and pillows and all of that type of is different.
I don't think that he can break a star like that,
because at some point somebody got to get on stage,
somebody got to sign an autograph, somebody got to take
(44:15):
a picture, you know. And I don't think we want
to see a robot and a computer do that to
the point of touring.
Speaker 1 (44:25):
Today.
Speaker 6 (44:26):
But you know, you never know what this ten years
from now. I'm an analogue dude.
Speaker 7 (44:30):
I come up on a tracks and putting forty five's
on the record play at all that. I'm not knocking it,
but I think we don't understand it enough to utilize
it in the way that we're trying to utilize it.
Speaker 2 (44:43):
I think that's the real problem with him.
Speaker 7 (44:45):
I don't think he's really thinking of the cons Everybody
uses AI for what they think they can make it
work for, but nobody's thinking about how this could set
back and timl is such a major impactful player in
the entertainment industry that that shit could really people would
follow suit if he became successful.
Speaker 6 (45:04):
If he and this artist becomes successful, this will be
a thing. It will be a whole thing.
Speaker 1 (45:12):
Bun. Let me know what you think. Jadakiss is still
upset about not making the top five on Complex Top
fifty New York lists. If we were to do a
Top fifty Houston list, Bun, if Bun gonna be in the.
Speaker 7 (45:26):
Top teen, there's an argument to that, and I'm gonna
tell you why, because technically I'm from Port Arthur. That's
the way that I've been put in this lexicon. UGK
typically is taken out of that conversation for Houston, Okay,
taking now Texas.
Speaker 1 (45:47):
Oh no, you're gonna have hell trying to be better
than that in Texas. Okay, so we gon since it's
New York, we're gonna make it. We're gonna make it Texas. Digger, No,
you can't even have that conversation. You can't even have
that conversation.
Speaker 7 (46:00):
I mean, I'm not I'm not trying to toot my
own horn, but there's a certain style of rapping that
didn't even really exist in Houston before I started rapping
a certain way, like being a lyricist wasn't necessarily a requirement,
you know what I'm saying. It wasn't necessarily something you
had to do to be successful here because it wasn't
(46:22):
a demand primary. But I never felt like I felt
like I was already way past my competition here. So
I was competing with everybody, you know what I'm saying. So, yeah,
there's no way you could. The only way you take
me out of it is that it's like, no, but
we don't mean you. We don't mean like you in
face or whatever. But if we talking about everybody top
(46:44):
five from Texas, man, I gotta wash my mouth on this,
really try to be cool about it. I honestly don't
think there's five people from Houston that can rap better
than me. That's from the state of Texas that's better
than me. I give you DC and scar Face. I
give you DOC and scar Face.
Speaker 2 (47:05):
That's it.
Speaker 6 (47:06):
Maybe three two, maybe recipes three two.
Speaker 1 (47:10):
But yeah, they got Yeah, I'm looking at this list.
Yeah they got they they do got they got Jada.
Damn they got Jada and sixty.
Speaker 6 (47:18):
Ye know they're wrong for that. They very wrong for that.
Speaker 7 (47:20):
And look, I understand because you have to understand that
some of the greatest rappers of all time came from
New York. You know, that's where is I understand why
they would want to honor other people before they honored
Jada kids.
Speaker 2 (47:39):
You know what I'm saying. I get that.
Speaker 7 (47:41):
And but all this shit is relative, right, because in
the early days, wasn't nobody harder than LLL did, weren't
nobody harder than Rock Kim then Kres You know, like
key things are subjective, you know what I'm saying. But
if somebody that lives in the modern time in New
York City is rating New York rappers and they don't
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put Jady Kiss into He's top ten, right, If I
can understand people wanting to argue about whether or not
these top five, if you look at the whole scheme,
but you gotta again, you gotta put the Rock Kims
and the Big Daddy Kanes and the Cougi raps.
Speaker 6 (48:18):
Man.
Speaker 1 (48:18):
They got Big Daddy k Man, they got Big Daddy
Knees so far out, man, the people don't realize how
good Big Daddy Kane was. Big Daddy Kane was is
still like, man.
Speaker 7 (48:26):
We are we sit in all the Jordan, we arguing
Jordan and Lebron all over again. That's all this is.
Different times speak to different different sensitivities, you know what
I'm saying, and that's how people draw these lists. I
can understand him being upset, but at the same time,
it's all subjective, you know what I'm saying. And when
you meet the people that typically make these lists, they
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aren't legitimately, They're not deeped enough in the culture to
really have these conversations with much less give any validity
as ship.
Speaker 6 (48:57):
I don't get these people no weight just because they say,
listen a bunch of music.
Speaker 2 (49:00):
Shit. I just tell a bunch of a bunch of
R and B too. I can't.
Speaker 7 (49:04):
I ain't finishing that I can sing or judge people
who can't sing. I came even home ship.
Speaker 1 (49:13):
All right, Bud, we better close it out on this.
We got our final segment of the day. It's time
for Q and A. Okay, there we go, Q and A.
Uh Joe Bombo's Appalon's playbook. Bun, this was for you, Bun.
B Where are we going to get a Kendrick UGK collapse.
(49:35):
That's a good question. I've not been able to really
have a relationship with Kendrick. That's for somebody that I
literally have not bumped into. Of all the people in
hip hop, I've never bumped into him. But that's not
surprising because Kendred don't really socialize like that outside of.
Speaker 6 (49:51):
You know, his homeboys in LA and people that he
records with.
Speaker 7 (49:54):
It's not somebody that you'll see at Rolling Loud or
Coachella or something like that, or at somebody's release party
or you know, a New Jordan release or something like that.
You just don't socialize like that, you know what I'm saying,
So there's no relationship to even extend the awful.
Speaker 6 (50:11):
I wouldn't even know how to got the email or nothing.
Speaker 3 (50:15):
But I.
Speaker 7 (50:17):
I always want to rap with the best people, you
know what I'm saying, So anybody that's considered one of
the best, that the studio is always open.
Speaker 1 (50:26):
Hugs nine seven three said, Bun, do you think they'll
bring the comments back?
Speaker 7 (50:30):
No, but well they are now they are looking to
bring a w NBA team back to Houston. I know
they're thinking of that, but I don't know if they
would call that team the comments. I'm not sure who
owns that name in that way. I'm not sure the
Rockets ownership if that's something that transfers from owner to
owner or how that works. But I mean, I think
it would be great for the city. I think the
(50:51):
city would come all the way out. But you got
to understand, if you decide to call a w NBA
team the comments, you got to have the best of
the best on that team, because that's all right, because
y'all have best legacy ever in your UNBA basketball.
Speaker 1 (51:09):
Yeah, you had Coop, you had Sheryl Swoops, you had
Tina Thompson. Oh, y'all would loaded. That's why you won.
Speaker 2 (51:14):
For a hero God bless her recipes.
Speaker 7 (51:18):
Yeah, now we had that squad that's never been as
dominated team as that team was for p right.
Speaker 1 (51:26):
Yes, we're crazy. The first crazy Firz New Jersey said,
let's bring in Mike Jones from Houston for his Houston opinion.
Anyone got his number, Mike is going to come on
in the very near future and guess what, come back
and will have.
Speaker 6 (51:42):
His number ain't changed, He still got that number.
Speaker 1 (51:47):
Kiper Norwood Junior said, UNC and bun be my question,
how many Super Bowls would Peyton Manning have if he
was quarterback for the Patriots and Tom Brady was the
quarterback for the Coats. That's a good question because you've
got to think of the drive that Tom came in with.
There's a big difference between getting drafted here at the
(52:11):
top and getting drafted at the bottom.
Speaker 6 (52:13):
Both of those put a fire under you, but for
different reasons. And also, I.
Speaker 2 (52:20):
Think initially Peyton might have.
Speaker 7 (52:23):
Had a little bit more knowledge of the game and
naturally fell into that leadership quality, whereas I don't, you know,
Tom was the leader of the locker room, but never.
Speaker 6 (52:33):
The leader of the team. Peyton had power in his
early years.
Speaker 7 (52:38):
Tom gradually gained that power and knew how to utilize
it a little bit different. And then he had Belichick too, right,
and that's a whole different type of discipline.
Speaker 1 (52:47):
I can't That was a whole different animal. Peyton never
had a coach like that that had that kind of
control because Peyton really had to control. Peyton ran practice,
Crayton ran the two minutes, Bacon ran everything and sold
different responsibilities livilages that Brady was never braidy, you know,
like I know Shan.
Speaker 2 (53:06):
Different responsibilities create different people.
Speaker 7 (53:09):
Absolutely, there's a big difference of what's expected from the
big brother than.
Speaker 2 (53:12):
The little brother. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (53:16):
Yep, I absolutely know what you're saying.
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Shannon Sharpe
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