Karlous Miller Part 1

In the latest episode of Club Shay Shay, Shannon Sharpe welcomes the hilarious Karlous Miller, a standout comedian of his generation. Known for his incredible improvisational skills, Karlous has taken the comedy scene by storm, performing to sold-out crowds across the nation and internationally. As a co-host and creator of the hit podcast and improv show 85 South, which debuted at number one on Netflix, he brings a unique blend of humor and insight to the conversation.

Join Shannon and Karlous as they dive into his roots in Oxford, Mississippi, where he grew up in a lively family of eight siblings. Karlous reflects on the joys and challenges of being the eldest sibling, sharing how his upbringing shaped his comedic voice. The duo shares laughs as Karlous recounts his early days in the entertainment industry, from his brief stint as a firefighter to his journey through various jobs that helped him hone his craft. Karlous opens up about his swift transition to comedy just weeks after moving to Atlanta, performing at the iconic Twisted Taco and quickly immersing himself in the city’s nightlife. His stories are filled with warmth and laughter, touching on everything from the adrenaline rush of performing live to delivering pizza to football legends like Eli Manning.

Shannon and Karlous share a humorous exchange on modern dating, debating the acceptability of going Dutch and reflecting on changing expectations in romance. They discuss the best places to meet partners, agreeing that work complicates things and that online dating isn’t for everyone. Karlous emphasizes traditional dating etiquette, insisting that men should always pay on the first date—a non-negotiable for him—while noting how dating expectations have shifted over time.

Karlous shares his journey from growing up watching iconic comedy shows like Def Comedy Jam and Comic View to becoming a recognized figure in the comedy scene. He discusses the influence of Jamie Foxx and how comedians can leverage television opportunities to showcase their versatility and connect with audiences on a deeper level, emphasizing the importance of showing various layers beyond just comedy. Karlous also reflects on his experiences working with prominent figures in the industry, including Mo'Nique and Keenen Ivory Wayans, highlighting the balance of respect and assertiveness that defines successful collaborations. He candidly shares insights into his path on Last Comic Standing, revealing that, despite its competitive nature, he found value in simply being part of the experience rather than focusing solely on the prize.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
DC went through something. He lost the mother of his kids.
How were you able to be there for a friend
to let him know? Bro, I can't even imagine the
pain that you're going through. But I just want you
to know that I'm here for you if you ever
need me. Man, that was that crab more than he did.
I don't know what to say, but I'm here.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
I ain't I don't have no words. If you need anything,
if you need me to go pick these kids up
every day, if you need me to whatever you need,
I'm extending myself to you. Brother. That that would really
that caught everybody off guard.

Speaker 3 (00:32):
All my life, grinding all my life, sacrifice, hustle pa
price Want slice got the brother Geist, swap all my life.
I'll be grinding all my life, all my life, and
grinding all my life sacrifice hustle back price one Slice
got the brother of Geist squat all my life. I've
been grinding all my life.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
Hello, welcome to another episode of Club shay Shape. I
am your hoe Shunning Sharp. I'm also the propriet of
Club Shayshak. The guy that's stopping by for conversation and
the drink today is one of the funnest comedians of
his generation. He performed to sold out crowds nationwides and
internationally the mastro of improvisation. He's one of the hosts
and creators of the hit podcast improv show eighty five South,

(01:18):
with debut number one on Netflix. A popular and talented
stand up comedia an actor, rapper, podcaster, writer, entertainer, host, extraordinariy,
A versatile performer, a fan favorite, a force to be
working with in the entertainment industry. He's fearless, the hilarious
Kay Carlos Miller, Hey, hey, hey, hey.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
What's up. What do you do? Man? Chilling man kill lady.
This man told me, oh, we're gonna started. We're gonna
start at ten o'clock. What time is it, man, It's
about ten, so it's about ten, tens up to twelve.
It's you au ten something, man. I'm telling these people that,
oh about bad, bye bad bye bad. He was all tied.

(01:57):
He was over some time. I was saying, Wardrobe, we'll
get together. This man told me here at war Jobe,
we gotta swim on his black bro.

Speaker 1 (02:05):
I brought something by kangnac here man for you, because bro,
what you've been able to do coming from ox New Mississippi.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
We gonna talk. We're gonna talk. We're gonna talk about Oxford, Mississippi. Oxford, Mississippi.
Yah damn oh yeah you know. Actually we're getting we
grow up. We're blowing up, y'all. Ain't blowing man DK
from Oxford. Okay, you a DK DK mancare from leave
me draking by?

Speaker 1 (02:28):
But absolutely not. Man, you got your own, catch your own. Yeah,
we're gonna see. We're gonna send you with a bottle two.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
I need something, man, because you don't be coming on
here cutting up, cutting up on here. They blaming this
old twenty twenty four on your show. That's what they're saying. Man.
I ain't do nothing though. I just asked a question.
You gonna cut up?

Speaker 1 (02:47):
They said you had something something to do with it.
Very little, that's smooth. I thought we was gonna see up. No,
we're just gonna knock that on that man. But I'm
gonna say up. I ain't gonna know because I won't
be to finish this interview.

Speaker 2 (03:01):
Is this live? We don't like? Yeah, he's gonna go ahead.
Doctor Man, you've been on live going crazy on you?
You showing up? Man?

Speaker 3 (03:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (03:12):
You I got it before we even get into it.
I'm gonna tell you Wiler, yeah, wild, Yeah. I can't
anticipate being this kind of part of twenty four. Man. Yeah,
you showed you. You showed out on twenty twenty four.
You're all gonna live with it. Bad. You trended. I

(03:33):
know you don't pay on so you ain't seen none
of this.

Speaker 1 (03:35):
Honey, I saw unfortunately. No, I hadn't seen that part.
I heard about that part. Man, I don't need to
see it. I'm telling you, they're going crazy over there.
I was out there bad you trending and everything.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
I ain't treading. You ain't see the trending time talking
through it. Yeah, they showing that MS being nasty and
ahead of me talking about what what's up on and everything? Oh,
she hit you shed I know her? You know what?
Yeah said since you said her name, she been trying
to reach back. Game. Caught none of her traction. No,
I ain't caught none of it. Take a shopping or something, uh,

(04:07):
grocery shopping. No. Oh, spent some of the NFL money
on him. Then I ain't got the NFL, but I'm
twenty years paying that dollars. You ain't spent all that
and all I spent it all. You're from small town, George,
that money.

Speaker 1 (04:23):
Let's talk about your upbringing. Grew up in Oxford, Mississippi.
Obviously University Mississippi is located, so that's a college town.
So what was Carlos growing up in Oxford, Mississippi?

Speaker 2 (04:35):
Like, man, it was it was always a constant hustle man,
you know, old missus right there. So it's so many
things that I got into, selling drinks at the game,
you know, breaking down tents, parking construction. My stepdad from
the country, country, so we always had something to do,
you know what I'm so, you always had a hustle
going on, even as a child. Absolutely. So when I

(04:55):
got into the comedy game and I started getting my
foot in the entertainment industry, you know, I parbat laid
that into the eighty five self show, to my own studio,
into things like that. So that's where the grind comes from.
That's where the entrepreneurship comes from.

Speaker 1 (05:10):
So when you were growing up, what did you want
to be growing up? I mean, you're doing had all
these odd and end jobs. You like you said, you're
selling drinks at at the football stadium, you're breaking down tens,
you're doing all these things.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
What did you want to be when you grew up?
I think I always wanted to be a comedian, But since,
like it's such a small town in Mississippi, I've never
seen anybody in the entertainment world, so I didn't know
that that was that was impossible.

Speaker 1 (05:31):
Yeah, something you can make a living doing, right, So
you wanted did you play sports growing up?

Speaker 2 (05:37):
Play some sports where you cause? DKs from uh DK
from did you know DK? Growing Absolutely? But DK used
to live right across the street from my auntie, as
to seem every day when he's a little boy, he
used to just be standing in the like in the screen,
back and forth, throwing the football with you know his
pops played football. Yes, yes it was adult. He was
off in some lineman if I'm an absolutely, like one

(05:57):
of the first first round draft picks out of old
so Terrence Metcalf. He was a dog bro. So yeah,
I played a little sports, did a little running, little
cross country. I've been this sass forever. Once you get
hit by somebody who you know going to the league,
you pretty much give up on all. So you like
gave it, like you know, what, I ain't gonna get

(06:17):
much bigger than this. Ain't no sense in me. I
was way better at talking, way better at comedy, man. Whatever.

Speaker 1 (06:25):
You have eight brothers and sisters, So what was it?
What was it like growing up in a family of
bat size.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
It was dope because it's you know, it's the country man.
Everybody is at grandma house. Yeah, everybody getting the same
mass who It was just dope being, you know, from
a big family like that, having brother like all my
brothers are huge.

Speaker 1 (06:43):
Man, where do you fall out in the pecking order?
You the oldest, You in the middle, you at the end,
I'm the oldest, You the oldest.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
Yeah, man, well.

Speaker 1 (06:50):
You had it because you basically you like the second father,
because you got to make sure all the younger ones
stay in line, because if they get out of the line,
they're gonna blame you.

Speaker 2 (06:58):
Because you're the older one. You know better. But you
gotta keep all My brothers are over six feet talk.
Oh so my little sister bigger than me. I'm oh,
you can't tell nobody what to do this, but I'm
smaller exactly. My mom had better insurance by the time
she had them. Now high school, so what so what

(07:22):
were you always? Were you always a class clown? Were
you always a comedian?

Speaker 1 (07:26):
Were you always trying to be funny or just something
that you kind of developed as you you aged.

Speaker 2 (07:31):
In the beginning, It's not like you're trying to be funny,
Like I was dead as serious, you know, on the
read and then everybody laughing. But I'm reading, but it's funny.
So like I never really got in trouble for being
funny in school, so that was that was the real
launch pad. Like all my teachers used to let me
just wild and talk because they knew I was gonna
do my work.

Speaker 1 (07:50):
So so how were you when you left Oxford? What
made you decide to say, you're man? I like Oxford.
My family's here, but I need to get out of
here if I'm going to do what I want to do.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
What made me leave? My dad used to live in Atlanta, Okay,
so he used to always come to Atlanta, so it
was always like my second home. And then I got
this job. I was a firefighter for real, for real,
Hold on, you a firefighter. You went to school, you
went and traded everything. Absolutely, it was a dope ass
job until we had a real fire and then I quit.

(08:21):
Definitely not. You didn't quit on the job.

Speaker 1 (08:22):
You wait till you got put the fire, got everybody out,
then you quit.

Speaker 2 (08:26):
I kind of quit on the job. How to have
that work? The chief came to me like, loose, we gotta.

Speaker 1 (08:31):
Go in, and I didn't want to go in the fire.
So I was like, I'm not going in there. You
do realize that's the part of being a firefighter. You
gotta run into day. We was gonna fight.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
Fire from the outside, like we were just gonna fight it,
So y'all you're gonna use the water hole, you gonna
spread from outside. I never thought about going in the fight.
And once I found out we had to go in,
when we got back to the station and he was like,
I probably, I feel like we're gonna have to let
you go. And I was like I feel the same way,
because well, no, I ain't no hero. I feel like

(09:04):
I quit, but you could let me go. You can
let me go. I completely understand. So that that didn't
work out. Then I drove some trucks for a little
bit and then I was just like you got to
see them. Yeah, damn, you had a whole lot of jobs.
I'm a hustler.

Speaker 1 (09:20):
I'm just trying to figure out what made you decide
that you want to do a be a firefighter though nothing.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
You had some time on your head, and I had
some extra time, and I went and I took the
passed the little physical testing. Okay, kept calling me back
and then they gave me the job, and I was like, boy, y'all, tripple,
I'm definitely not built for this. Okay.

Speaker 1 (09:42):
You also wore a piece of delivery driver absolutely now
that really that was. That was one of those jobs
that was fun and it really helped me jump the
comedy off because I met a lot of people and
they used to always just like call me to come
and turn the party up and talk and you know,
wrapp and all.

Speaker 2 (09:59):
That That was. That was really how I built before
social media. That was before I So when you when
you drop off the pizza to the customers, when you're
joking with them, then when you a lot of them
guys like like it was like do some caleous. Okay.
He used to order a lot of pizzas like that.
You know, he ended up playing in the NFL for
a long time and then I met uh Eli Manning

(10:21):
used to order a lot of pizza. So it was
just a lot of I met a lot of people.
I had a lot of partners who played football, so
I knew everybody on the old mess and you just
just go kick it and talk. And I was always
known as that guy.

Speaker 1 (10:35):
Now I read the story that you had a partner
that that delivered pizza that got robbed by a little person?

Speaker 2 (10:42):
Was that you or your partner? No, that was my partner, Roy.
He got robbed by a little person. Absolutely, How you
get to drop on it, I don't know if I
don't know the details of the story, but once he
was just like he was describing it like the person
to me was like, bro, were in a small town
when I know exactly who robbed you, but I couldn't

(11:02):
tell you it. It wanted them at a small town,
and then it's two. It's two, and then they got
a few sisters, so I know the sisters didn't do it. Yeah, yeah, man,
it's a wild times out of after ohd man, you
moved to Atlanta.

Speaker 1 (11:20):
How soon did you hit the comedy stage once you
got to Atlanta.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
I think it was maybe three weeks to a month
started hitting this spot called Twisted Taco. Me and my
man Clayton English and that was an O five. I've
been doing it ever since. Yeah, do you remember?

Speaker 1 (11:36):
So that was was that the main reason that you
left Oxford was to come to Atlanta to do comedy
because that's the biggest Atlanta's the biggest city in the
surround in the southeast. So you figure, like, you know
what if I if I go to Atlanta, that's probably
where I'm gonna make me get my big break.

Speaker 2 (11:50):
Man. Once you hit Atlanta and you see that night life,
you just kind of find any kind of way to
get you to stay here. Man. There was so much
going on in Atlanta. It was a magic city. Monday
is Big Leachs was still out and and all everything.
Everything was popping. It was Ferraris and Lamborghuinas and all
the time. But navigated. Oh I gotta find something.

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Speaker 1 (13:32):
So when you hit the stage, so you say twist
to taco with the first place? Did you first place
that you perform?

Speaker 2 (13:38):
So?

Speaker 1 (13:38):
What was that experience? Like it what you thought it
would be? Did you get booed? Did you like the
adrenaline russ that you got from being on stage telling
jokes and people laughing? What was that experience? Like, I
don't shoot, think I've been nowhere getting booed. I definitely
wasn't getting booed.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
You ain't never got booed. Nah, I ain't been doing nothing,
none of that, well that none of that dead ass series.
When I go on stage, Okay, I'm playing, but I'm
serious right Yeah. The first time that I hit it,
the end of the adrenaline rush hit me and I
was like, oh, this is it. Because we went a
couple of weeks before we actually got on stage. You
signed up and then we saw a few casts and

(14:11):
then it's like, man, I can do this shit right
Then I got on and it's just been a rap
ever since, never got off.

Speaker 1 (14:18):
How did growing up in Oxford prepare you? Because Oxford
is a little different than Atlanta, especially especially when you
brought you here.

Speaker 2 (14:26):
Exactly everybody in Oxford, funny everybody. I'm we got some
of the best talkers in the world right in Oxford, Mississippi.
So it was a lot of pressure on that to
be like, I gotta talk better than the best shit
talking that I know.

Speaker 1 (14:39):
So that was that was the real pressure for me.
Did did talking you know ish growing up? Did I
prepare you? Because it's different talking going back and forth
with somebody in the barbershop, right or standing on the
block going back and forth with somebody. Now you got
to do a set. You got to do fifteen minutes,
you got to do thirty minutes. How different was it
for you to like, Okay, okay, I'm good at making

(15:01):
people laugh, but I gotta make people laugh for thirty minutes.

Speaker 2 (15:04):
Now. Putting it all together, ye hard part and having
a you know, just having enough to talk about was
was the challenge, right, putting it together, timing it out
like and then you got to include the last So
I went on stage maybe for the first year or two,
just like figuring it out. You know what I'm saying.

(15:24):
I have a little set list of jokes or something
like that that I wanted to try out or work
what didn't. But you don't never scratch nothing. You just
gotta find a way to make all of them.

Speaker 1 (15:33):
Make it all the funny in So some people say,
who was I talking to? I think I think it
was Dion Cole said that he don't write anything, No
Marlon Williams. So I don't write no jokes down. I
just go up there and I just go. You said
that you like have a little set, But how much
do you write down or do you have an idea
in your mind, like Okay, I'm going with this, this, this, this,

(15:54):
and this tonight.

Speaker 2 (15:55):
I would probably say I break mine down in this segment.
I probably have like like a fourth of something that
I wrote or something that I thought was funny. And
then some of that you just gotta say it first.
Then some of it is something that you may be
working on that you know, you're just tuning up. So
you got one, two, three, then you just leave room

(16:15):
for some emperor. But some some comedians they have the
voice like a like a Dion Cole or Marlon Wayne's
or Corey Holcomb, they can tell you sometimes it's better
to just say it and do it, Dan, write it right.

Speaker 1 (16:27):
Yeah, I had cad On obviously. You know that absolutely
that you got the comedy world and shambles right now, bro.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
Man, Well, that interview was explosive. Can that before we
get back to this.

Speaker 1 (16:44):
People got upset with me because Kat put a spotlight
like everybody telling jokes, everybody in friends, everybody that's telling jokes,
and so I think he put a light a spotlight
on something that a whole lot of people that know
and maybe a lot of comedians didn't want people to know.
So they upset it Cat for opening Pandora's box.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
Did you know you're in this you're in this arena?

Speaker 1 (17:07):
Did you know it was like that that so many
comedians kind of like beefing. I mean not all, but
there's this this kind of animosity that's kind of beef
between certain comedians.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
Yeah, but it's in the house, okay. It was nothing
that he said that I didn't I never did. You
already knew, okay, but it was mostly like, that's that's
comedy club, green groom, back room, that's that's between us. Yeah.
So when he put it out in the public, and
you know, for him to be as big of a
star as he is. It ain't nobody get a chance
to rebuttal Plus, it's hard when you come on a

(17:39):
show like this and you talk and then your house
ain't clean, right, you get what I'm saying. So I
don't think that that's over. You don't think it's over.
I don't think that that's over. It's a it's a
few comedians that really they really upset about that. Yeah,
oh yeah, Steve Harved not playing about that. Yeah, earth
quick mad about that. Ricky Smiley had lost his son

(18:01):
right right like right around that time, so he took
it a whole another way. I had h and I
had Ricky on, I had said on, I had Steve on.

Speaker 1 (18:09):
Lirel Litrell, Yeah, Littrel came on after after Cat.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
Yeah, and so begging for yeah.

Speaker 1 (18:15):
But for me, I don't understand. It's just my platform.
Like I have you and I talking. If you say something,
I don't know what you're gonna say. Why people get
mad at me for what? Carlos Se I don't know.

Speaker 2 (18:32):
I don't know. But see Cat, he's not around the
comedy world.

Speaker 1 (18:36):
No no, no, no, he's to him said, Yeah, he's
always been to himself.

Speaker 2 (18:40):
So a lot of comedians felt like, well, maybe he
been sitting on that. Maybe he been riding around all
these years and been wanting to say it and just
didn't have time to say it. But to his defense,
a lot of people have said a lot of stuff
about him that he never said back. So I guess
it was just the build up of him getting his
get back right. I ain't mad at either side. I

(19:03):
get it, but it's still a lot of shit about him.
Then people gonna say that people may forgot about he
called a lot of he got a lot of heat.
Yeah he did. Yeah, what was your big break? When?

Speaker 1 (19:15):
When did Carlos get that big break? And it was like,
you know what, I'm here.

Speaker 2 (19:19):
I don't know if it is a big break. I
think you just work and then you save up some
bread and ain't nobody came here and had me no
big check. I had to put a bunch of little
chick takes together. I'm waiting on the big break ship,
trying to see what you don't want turn down. Yes,

(19:39):
I ain't got Doug going on bad. I ain't got
Doug going on man, send me some bad. Ain't no
big break. I work every week. I'm working it every weekend.
I'm still looking for it. What are some of the
best advice comedians have given you?

Speaker 1 (19:52):
Because you're in this arena now, you traveled the weekend
during the week and so obviously you come in contact
with a lot of guys that's been doing this a
lot longer than you, and some are probably a little
bit more successful than you, although you're on your way
and you're trying to get to that level of success.

Speaker 2 (20:06):
What's some of the best advice comedians I'm shared with you?
Be funny, you'd be funny everything, and like, if you're
a comedian and you're funny, everything else will find you.
Like the money will come, the success will come, the
fame will come. Just be funny.

Speaker 1 (20:22):
Did you know you can make this kind of money
be on a comedian? Because I hear this kind of money.

Speaker 2 (20:27):
Well, I mean, I mean that'd be I mean, the
way they'd be talking, they'd be bigger, like like six
figures only six don't see you, That's what I'm saying.
They only got sex. No, but I'm saying, I mean,
you do it a night that ain't enough? What night
six seven? Like for a year? No, I'm talking about

(20:53):
I'm talking about no, hell, not for not for no year.

Speaker 1 (20:57):
Obviously you do it. Let me ask you a question.
How many days a year you say you tour, that
you in the.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
Club, in the club, what it's fifty two weeks? Fifty
two weeks? I probably do. I might do forty forty,
forty five, forty five. It depends, right, because sometimes depends
on what we're at in the country. Bro like when
she be crazy, it's the best time for commedians, Like
it's elections.

Speaker 1 (21:22):
Yeah, so it's people need them least. So are you
doing two shows Friday, two show Saturday? Are you doing
one show Friday, one show Saturday, two show Sunday.

Speaker 2 (21:32):
I usually do eight shows a weekend, and it happen
three days in the weekend added up? What the hell?
Are you good? They'll come see you. It don't matter.
I could do a show at four o'clock in the
afternoon and sell it out. On I do at four o'clock,
seven o'clock or nine o'clock. I'm feeling real friggre I
throw it. I throw a late show on that. It

(21:54):
really just depends on the city.

Speaker 1 (21:56):
How you broke that kind of energy, because I know
you don't want to short change anybody. You want the
people that came, and you want the people that came
at four o'clock to feel they got the same show
as the people that came at seven nine, or if
you have the late the midnight show. So you don't
want to short change anybody. How do you keep that
level of energy up to Like I got to stay

(22:18):
here for basically eight ten hours.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
I can't tell you everything now because it's gonna be
somebody watching this show trying steal the whole sauce. The
whole sauce, man, Okay. But the way that you can
do that and keep it fresh, man, you gotta make
sure you got your routine. You gotta eat right right,
get you some bread right. You might have to get
on Live for a little bit. They might have to

(22:44):
get you. Ain't on Live like that? Come on, man,
come on man, you own your MTV? Are your mama?
What was that experience? Like? How did you? How did
that come about? It was? I looked at it. In hindsight,
I should have looked at it as a little bit
more of an opportunity, But I was looking at that

(23:05):
like a check for right then, okay, because when I
was doing it and I was going through the process. Man,
I was like, this ain't really that. I thought it
was let me get these little money and get on boy, right,
But it was dope, man, willim of Valdorado.

Speaker 1 (23:19):
And now you said, Willma Valdoramo Yeah, Willmado Yeah close cool.

Speaker 2 (23:25):
Yeah, but it was dope. It was just one of
those things that I got to do early in my career.
And uh, get on TV. Man, anytime you get on
TV as a comedian, you gotta parlay that into your
live shows and sell some tickets. Right. So, anytime you
get on a big platform MTV, your mama a hell
date or something like that, you gotta make sure that
you got a great show to follow that up because

(23:45):
people gonna come and see you. Yeah, and once you
once you get him in there, you sell them a
good show. You got them.

Speaker 1 (23:52):
Do you think about because you see a lot of
comedians and we go way You can go way back.
You can go back to Richard Pryor, you go back
to Red Fox, you go back to Eddie and Martin
and all these guys. If TV is that kind of
like movies? Is that kind of your thing? Is that
kind of word Carlos wants would like they head.

Speaker 2 (24:07):
Absolutely. Absolutely, It's like movies and TV. I look at
them like totally separate. Okay, like movies, that's something where
you can get a big check. But when you get
on TV and they see you on the regular and
they get to see you be diverse and you get
to bring your characters and voices and your slapstick comedy.
I think the TV is the package that were It's

(24:28):
like if you get on there on the regular and
you stay on that, right, that's where you can really
make some bread because you can do that.

Speaker 1 (24:35):
You can do that TV show and then to go
straight because you can take those and then go straight
straight to the hit the role.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
Absolutely, but I like TV because it's just people get
to see more layser. You know comedians. We all comedians
can either do like some voices or like impressions yeah,
or serious drama. Right. I love to see comedians get
your roles where they don't have nothing to do with
comedy and then they just kill it like.

Speaker 1 (25:01):
James Jamie Poter. Yeah, yeah, you can call lay that
at however you want to. You was also on the
Monique Show. Yeah, what's it like working because Monique, you
know low she talked to this. She's difficult to work with.
I had on the show and she was great. She
ain't difficult to work with. She just ain't to be
played with.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
That's the difference Monique, and she's gonna stand up for
what she believed me. She's not fanna let you talk
to her crazy. You're not feeling to be making demands.
It's like she's a boss, yes, And it's the difference
between being a boss and employee. Right. When you hire Monique,
you get the whole Monique, right, but you don't get
to tell her what to do, right, And that's a
That's another conflict that comedians have. Sometimes they hire us

(25:39):
to talk and then they don't want to hear. They
think they can control what we're gonna say.

Speaker 1 (25:43):
It's gonna say it. It don't work like that. It don't
work like that. Absolutely, Okay. He was on Comic View. Yeah,
how was that experience?

Speaker 2 (25:51):
It was? That was one of those shows that I
grew up watching. I would have did that for free,
you get what I'm saying, just to put my name
on the wall like that. I did Death Comedy Jam
too when they brought it back. So all of those
shows that I got to like be a part of
that was part of like my journey. Anytime they call them,
I always do them. Was that all I mean?

Speaker 1 (26:11):
Obviously when you see those you see death, Comedy Jam,
you see comic view. Was that always a goal of
yours to get on those shows?

Speaker 2 (26:17):
It was a dream because, like I said, I didn't
know that it was achievable. I thought when you were
a comedian that you know what I mean? It was
somewhere that you went to become a comedian, right, All
these people were funny, Like how did they get that good?
So I just be at the crib watching that every night, like, man,
that's just that's dope. How you could just turn your
personality into your job. Right?

Speaker 1 (26:38):
But as a child, did you uh did you write jokes?
Did you write anything that you thought was funny? Now,
you just made light of situations that you saw kids
you know, maybe weren't as smart as you or just
you know some things. You know, they walked a little funny,
it was a little slow. They was in a class
a grade. Did you know they started out together. A
couple of years later they still in that same classroom,

(26:58):
and you done moved on.

Speaker 2 (26:59):
A couple of grades. Did you did you did you
make fun of kids? I made fun of everybody, but
I was used to cuss it like a lot of
the kid. I was the cussing ass kid like I
from from the time I learned how to talk. I
used to cuss your parents. Let you get away with that.
It's not necessarily getting away with it, but you gotta
Sometimes you gotta weigh the risk in the reward. Sometimes

(27:20):
that ashwhoop was worth it. Hell it was? It was?
It was, man. I used to get in trouble for
cousin all the time. I had one coach when I
was in like middle school, junior high, sixth grade, the
eighth grade. It don't matter what day it was or
where I was. He caught me cussing every day, Coach Tyr.

(27:42):
Coach Tyr. It's like, as soon as I get through cussining,
I turn around. He was right there, man. So that
was that was That was pretty much my thing growing
up as a kid. Bro I used to always be
the one to be like, man, it's up. And then
they'd be like, call up, said, so you.

Speaker 1 (28:00):
Gonna last comic standing? Oh yeah, did you? Because if
I'm not mistaken Keenan Ivory Williams was the judge. Amy
Schumer was a judge. Yeah, what did you learn from
that experience? Not to listen to name is Schumann? She
on that giving advice.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
She didn't win. Is that what you did? Amy?

Speaker 1 (28:21):
I'm not listening to you because you've been on these shows.
I mean, you've been on a lot of high profile shows.
I mean, so your name has been out there colors.
It's not like you've been you know, you on the
chipling circuit and don't nobody know who you are. You
put your name at the forefront, so you kind of
had a name even before you became this.

Speaker 2 (28:42):
Sometimes see some of these shows, right, like you need
the chilling surviy. Yeah, because black people make you famous
and then white people make you rich. So if I
wasn't good at making black people laugh, they wouldn't have
no interest in bringing me to these platforms. Correct. And
then sometimes you get on these platforms and they'd be
great opportunities, but they don't be paying, and that makes

(29:05):
me lose all interest in them. So you need to
get a check to be because I'm grinding. I'm over
here and right, and you know you might get a
call from the street street dude, big baby. He got
you in green Wood, South Carolina at his cousin's spot.
But he got that big show money. Yeah, and they
love you and there and the show might not start

(29:27):
at one o'clock in the morning. We drink good clubs. Baby.
They handed you thirty five home, yeah, and I'm there
if then you go and they want you to do
six weeks of TV and you know what I mean. Yeah,
you ain't making then you gotta pay taxes on it.
Had you won? How much?

Speaker 1 (29:47):
How different would your life have been had you won
last Comic Standing?

Speaker 2 (29:51):
It wouldn't have been too different. Want to change you. Nah,
I would have messed that money, so it would a check.
I would have missed that. I ain't got money off.
I'm so glad I ain't get that money right right then? Yeah,
because my mama had just paid. So you know, I'm
dealing with the sadness, and then you're gonna throw some
money on top of that. I probably wouldn't even be

(30:11):
here right now. I would have mess that money way
too quick. Probably would have called a charge. You went
on hell date, so you, like I said, you stay
on TV, Carlos. I'm cryding, I'm grinding, so.

Speaker 1 (30:23):
Let me ask you a question, how do these opportunities
you have a manager, Like I got somebody that I
think would be perfect for this because you are showman.
You you know how to get in front of the cameras,
and that's that's a whole that's a part of it.
Knowing how to play to the cameras, knowing how to
play to a crowd. Everybody can't do that. There are
a lot of people that can be funny, but they
don't know how to play to a crowd, play to
a camera, especially because when that red dot go on,

(30:46):
that's a whole different animal, right, And.

Speaker 2 (30:48):
Plus the comedy that you're selling to like a mainstream
TV audiences, it's different than what you than what you
can just really just rock when it ain't right. But
I do got to do team. My manager she been
in the game for a long time. Anything around. All
the big stars, Me and Dave Chappelle got the same manager. Okay,
Ricky Hughes. She dope as hell, right, So you know,

(31:10):
I wanted to get somebody who who knew the comedy
world but also knew the business side of it. So
if she working with Dave Chappelle, who's one of the
top comedians of this whole generation. It's like she can
go over there and she got time to deal with
with me and all this that got going on. I
know that it's coming from a great place.

Speaker 1 (31:30):
You know, a lot of times people don't want someone
that big because you're like, man, you got Chapelle, you
ain't got no time for me. You ain't gonna put
no time in me because you got Chapelle and he
all over. I mean, he's selling that he got Netflix
Specials and he all over. He can put his stuff
up and it's going. And so when you have a
little time for little little callos, which I'm living in
the dream, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (31:50):
Like you you've been a professional athlete, you know what
it's like. It's a job, but man, you used to
love to put that damn Baltimore Ravens on. Yeah, and
just being there just like sh Bro I was in
minta state and nothing, right, you get what I'm saying. So,
man that I'm in the moment, right, that was some
more great advice than I got. Man, make sure you

(32:12):
find time to enjoy it too, can you can? You
absolutely absolutely?

Speaker 1 (32:18):
Because I can honestly say Carlos, I don't really know
if I really I enjoyed the journey really, even though
I was headed to a destination. I think that's the
fun part about me, is that the journey that I
was on, but I didn't.

Speaker 2 (32:32):
Have time to think about it.

Speaker 1 (32:33):
I didn't get chanced because I was afraid I was
gonna get caught up and it was gonna distract me.
And I wasn't gonna be as focused. I wasn't gonna
be as hungry. I was not gonna be as driven
in order to finally get to that destination if I
didn't do what I needed to do. So I don't
know if I necessarily enjoyed it even though I was
on that journey. I don't know if I enjoyed it
until I stepped away from it.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
You're still enjoying it. You still enjoying it. No, I'm
talking about the football. Man. If it wasn't for the football,
ain't no club shah. I know.

Speaker 1 (33:00):
Oh, but I didn't enjoy when I was doing it.
See you and you say you enjoy it as the
process is happening.

Speaker 2 (33:05):
Absolutely No, absolutely, because it's like like you said, I'm
from ox mississip. It ain't wanting to go home to it.
This don't work out right? You know how many waiting
to see me back in the crib? I told you,
you know that's everywhere, look at it me right back here. Yeah,
hey man, France, all that he done got in the

(33:26):
hall when you were on hell date?

Speaker 1 (33:29):
Man, Because that's a lot of that's this relationship thing.
Because and we're gonna talk about the fifty to fifty
and where it takes about on the first day and
how much you spend on the first day. So let
me ask you this. What's the appropriate place to take
someone on the first date? How much is the appropriate
amount to spend on the first date?

Speaker 2 (33:49):
That's a tricky question. You always gotta come with the mulligins.
It ain't no centim out. How much do you like her?
What's your budget? See, men, we lose because we don't
plan enough. Right. If you plan to day, you get
playing within your own budget. Right. So if you take
her somewhere you that you can afford, that you planning,

(34:10):
it's gonna make it look like you had this whole
thing laid out.

Speaker 1 (34:13):
What if you got What if you pull up to
the place and she like, she don't get out of the car.

Speaker 2 (34:19):
You gotta act like you excited. You gotta play it up.
I heard so much about it. I heard the food
is good. You gotta act like you 't never been
there before. What happened to game? What happened to game?
What happened to game? Why? Why did this get so complicated? Right? Man?
If you if you're a dude and you make a

(34:39):
thousand dollars a week, that's how much fun you gonna have.
You're gonna have fun. You gonna have a thousand dollars
work worth a fun, right, If you got a million dollars,
you're gonna have a million dollars worth of fun and
everything they're falling between that. That's just what it is.

Speaker 1 (34:53):
But what what if you make a thousand dollars a week,
but she wanted more twenty five hundred dollars, She make
twenty five hundred, Yeah, she used to like twenty five
She got a twenty five hundred dollars budget.

Speaker 2 (35:05):
Hey man, that's where we went wrong. At a lot
of dudes out here dating women that don't like them.
If she already likes you, it don't matter where you go.
But you know, we like to upon our coverage. We
like to get what we think we don't supposed to have.
I don't, I don't do I don't. I'm not even

(35:26):
I'm not even pursuing. If you don't already like me,
We're not going nowhere anywhere.

Speaker 1 (35:31):
Hold On, hold on, College got to like me immediately.
But I'm saying, but you got to go in to
do it. I mean, I look, I know you, Carlos Miller.
They know you, Carlos Miller. But I mean you got
to you know, you got to do a little court.
You got to like, hey, how you doing.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
What's your name? I'm such and such. I'm sure, no,
I don't. That's the problem right there. Man, Where you
meeting women? That man meeting them? That's what I'm telling you.
I'm not meeting nobody. They meeting me. Well, y'all, I'm
not using y'all fan, right man, give me a pill.
I'm gonta start writing these jokes. Your fame. I'm about

(36:04):
to start writing he jokes. If that's what they do,
what they call out like that that you got. Look,
you gotta ship, got a show, you got three four
NFL announcing job, you six feet through plush, you got muscles,
and you rich who you trying to pray? You know
how many women already like you? Matt. I'm from the
old school, you know you? Hey, how you doing what?

(36:26):
I'm man? The old school, they they they told those
ain't those they do now? Huh hell no, hell no, man,
you crazy as hell. I'm we're gonna link on, so mean,
I'll just send you something, okay. He you ain't gonna
go on. You don't know. And when you're going on
club chase Shay. Look, I don't got nobody business to tell.
They ain't gonna call me. I ain't got nothing but

(36:47):
good ship to say. I don't hate nobody. I'm friends
with it. I'm too cold, don't need me right, So
what about fifty fifty? You go out on the day,
if you take it?

Speaker 1 (36:55):
If you because they say, okay, if the man asked
the lady out, he's supposed to pay. If she asked
him out, is she supposed to pay? Or we going
fifty to fifty hot?

Speaker 2 (37:04):
This work? No? You old school. When it comes to that,
you take it, lay out. You definitely gotta pay right
because you can't go half with her then ask her
for something later on you can't, but you hold on,
you can't.

Speaker 1 (37:17):
You can't ask it the first night, though, Carlos. You
gotta gotta wait, like a couple of weeks, a couple
of months.

Speaker 2 (37:23):
What what who told you? Who you been mad after? Oh? School?
I that's say they didn't do that when I was
brought up. They didn't do that.

Speaker 1 (37:31):
That ain't you dan't they ain't they ain't do that, No, Carlos, Man,
stop it. I ain't lying, Carlos, Come on, man, not on,
not on, not after one night you tell somebody did
and they gonna Now they don't do.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
That, Carlos. Why why are you doing all this? I'm
just saying what I'm saying. I don't seen you shoes
your shot a few times? Yeah, ain't hear nothing? Ain't nothing. Yeah,
the turkey is still flying around there. I ain't brought
the third turkey home for thanks given year. Try it
now after that life you might be able to pull something. Now,
don't these ladies out here riches in too? Now? I know.

(38:03):
Sometimes you have to go out and you gotta show
on what it's like when they're coming on your side.
So sometimes it's investment. It's coming right back right, especially
when you start shooting at these high profile ladies. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,
got money, They got divorced money and all that. Man,
they don't be worried about your income like that. They
be wanting somebody who fit the aesthetic now.

Speaker 1 (38:25):
But but the high profile, well you know what comes
along with high profile.

Speaker 2 (38:29):
See that's the thing. A lot of men don't know
how to play their position no more. If your lady
high profile, shut shut up right in your in your
truck and your hell can shut up. Let her get
that money. Yeah. Where's the best place to meet a
woman at work at her job? Nah? Nah, you can't.

(38:51):
You can't talk to somebody at your work at her job.

Speaker 1 (38:54):
You can't if you work there, you can't mess with
somebody saying safe.

Speaker 2 (38:58):
For instance, she worked at the hostel. Yeah, and then
you down there, your little boy got asthm something. You
see what I'm saying, Like you need to see her
right and her job?

Speaker 1 (39:08):
Oh okay, okay, I thought you said, like okay, like
you at work.

Speaker 2 (39:11):
Like if you Amazon and you deliver into a crib,
you might just leave them. But if you catch her
at her job, it's a whole difference.

Speaker 1 (39:18):
But you know, let me ask your question. See, like
you see a nice looking lady, you deliver a package
to her house. He nice looking, She ain't gonna probably
gonna give you the time of day. But if a
nice looking chick deliver that package, that same Amazon driver,
she a lady, and she nice looking, and she drip
a deliverer a package.

Speaker 2 (39:36):
Calos out call it. He let me, holl let you
what's up? Why is it like that, Carlos?

Speaker 1 (39:42):
Why they don't give us the time of day if
they see us dressed up in a nine to five.

Speaker 2 (39:46):
But a dude.

Speaker 1 (39:47):
But if a young lady working at nine to five
and she liked that, we don't care.

Speaker 2 (39:53):
Because women know how to add They can add up
about how much money you make it, so they like
they like, they like men who got disposable income. Because
when a woman really looking at you, she's trying to
see like, it ain't about if you sexy or now,
it's like what your lifestyle looking on? If I bring
this over here to where you at, how you gonna

(40:14):
upgrade that? Right? So a lot of dudes be trying
to like, they be trying to pull that, you know
what I mean, pull something that ain't really for them,
that ain't in your lead. Don't nobody want nobody in
their league. They don't, but a player like me. Yeah,
I'm trying to holler at who liked me? Right, I
ain't doing no impressing, not impressing. You just got already

(40:36):
liked me. But you know the man he them of
the delivery people. They're making break.

Speaker 1 (40:39):
Now you see what them mom, what Brown can do
for you. They making a big bank. They always have,
they did they always Now. I should have got me
a job there I school. You ain't getting no job,
no job. I had no job, bro, I did I
did have. I had manual job without growing up like
what I worked in the tobacco field.

Speaker 2 (40:57):
I clipped, Where the hell is a tobacco field? To Barama?
Your stories be older than you. No listening to your story.
We grew up in a concrete heuse No, we did
bathroom well well, South Georgia. You said it wasn't no
bathroom in the house, never knowing thud, square foots in
the block, cement floors, ten roofs. You take you to

(41:18):
the high I can take you there and see it.
It ain't there, it's there. Yeah, we I ain't in there.
I don't think nobody lived there, but yeah, oh yeah,
drink well water. Absolutely, that's what I'm saying you. You
you come from very humble beginning, very very I still am,
and I don't want to go back.

Speaker 1 (41:35):
That's why. That's why it worked so hard, Carlos, because
I knew what it was like. I know what it's
like to me too.

Speaker 2 (41:40):
That's what I'm saying. Yes, that's what I'm there. So
I can't I can't be having no lady who just
all she bout is money because we're going to Oxford sometime. Yeah,
and they don't even sell Louis be time and we
don't have a store, ain't no mall, ain't even know
where to beat nothing expensive? Baby. Hey, yeah, we find
kick it out here and the yard and let these

(42:02):
by your ass.

Speaker 1 (42:02):
Then we're gonna see how much love the most expensive
thing at a small town. Like what we got a potato gap?
Come on, go call you by seventy five dollars, that's
all we got.

Speaker 2 (42:09):
You go to Walmart and you can get whatever you
want to. Now that's balling to me. Yeah, have you
ever used the dating site? I ain't never been on them.
I ain't either, I ain't never been on them. Social
media is about as close as dating site as I'm
gonna get. I don't really do all that. I like
to meet them in person anyway.

Speaker 1 (42:28):
Yeah, because they be adding them filters and they don't
be looking like that in real life, like they be
looking on that on them social media pages. I'm never
wrong with that. Listen, if you tell me you got
a car at nineteen, if you're selling me a two
thousand and seventeen car, say you got seventy thousand miles

(42:49):
on it? Bro, how you gonna come up here to
think dat it all up? I ain't got but hey,
it's own blocks.

Speaker 2 (42:55):
Uh, it rid like it's brand. So that's that's really
been the problem. Though. You're like you ain't finding the
ones that looked like no, no, no, no, no no.

Speaker 1 (43:05):
I'm look man, look I work. I work a lot.
You think you working like work? I work a lot.
I do five I mean we're doing four shows a
week of nightcap Oaho, and I about to go to
five days a week. I got two days a week
on on First Take with Steven A, and then I
shoot Club Shay Shade one of.

Speaker 2 (43:21):
Two times a week. Now, how much you spending on
these days? Come on, now, come on, come on, I mean, now,
I got bread. Now, you've been had b I didn't
have no bread. You're a super Bowl champion. You're not
finna sit up here and act like we got the
same money. I'm not finna go for that ship. You've
been rich and famous. No, no, when the Broncos had

(43:45):
the orange jerseys on that. But here's the thing. Though
I was a seventh round draft pick, your brother got
paper too. That was his paper. He still looked out like.

Speaker 1 (43:58):
He did enough to get motivated to see what he had.
Knowing that I wanted that. I saw the house with
three car garage, it had indoor plumbing. I saw central
heating and cooling. I wanted that. But I made sixty
three I made sixty three thousand my first year. What
about the mother twenty player?

Speaker 2 (44:15):
Yeah, but I'm talking about in the beginning. What about
no see you? That's the past I got.

Speaker 1 (44:19):
I got bread. I got bread. Now, so it's not
a thing. But I look at it like this. Here,
I look at it in the back. It's like, okay,
you know what, I believe if she came with her girls,
she would still order like this. And if I look
at you and all of a sudden, you talking about
you want to see food tower, and I think got
six lobster tails and five crab claws and all the scallops.

Speaker 2 (44:41):
No, no, no, no, no on you ain't. You ain't telling me?
You putting they women on no budget, bro, I'm on
a budget.

Speaker 1 (44:47):
No, hell no, yes I am. I don't believe it.
I'm on a budget. Come on, man, I'm a poor hustler.

Speaker 2 (44:52):
Man. You're still getting undisputed money. I'm flying today, folk,
I get it. This your show. You don't want to
asking you for nothing under you got paper, undisputed money, stock,
you got glasses on you getting paper. It stopped a
couple of months ago to undisputed money they got. They
got some fun. You're getting some residual get Up's all gone?

(45:17):
You getting paid, no bro, NFL network. No, I'm an
y f he in the Hall of Fame. They don't
send no checks for the Hall of Fame. They send
you some money for having bad knees. Now, no, they don't.
They don't get no retirement.

Speaker 1 (45:30):
I mean here, I don't. I don't, I don't, I haven't.
I haven't taken my retirement yet. What I'm gonna take
it retirement? So I don't need it. What you mean,
Oh you got so much paper, you don't need it.

Speaker 2 (45:41):
What I'm saying, stop playing you and you're getting independent money.
You y'all got a podcast okay, I mean we're doing okay,
you're doing ads. You don't partner it up with like
oh that you got paper. You got a little.

Speaker 1 (45:57):
Part right here. That's money that when you get the part.
But I've had this part since seventy two. It's the
only hair cut I've ever had. That's what I'm saying, bro,
you done trademark.

Speaker 2 (46:08):
The whole the trademark. Come on, you bullshit. I know you.
You don't be taking them, letting them get sick gloves.

Speaker 1 (46:17):
I'm alergic the shellfish. So you can't even eat seafood
around me. Let her get the six No, she can
get you can get the steak though.

Speaker 2 (46:24):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Good fish, take our letter.
I can food with it. She can't eat more than
you can buy.

Speaker 1 (46:31):
Mm hmm, she can't, Matt. Look, I think three of
dollars are good is a good budget?

Speaker 2 (46:37):
It ain't. Three d ain't no good budget. Absolutely not
this Atlanta. You know what I mean. Drug dealers and
scammers and stealers and robbers and athletes. We got the
Atlanta Hawks. Yeah, the Falcons, the break You know how
much money baseball players? I do? Bu you catch her
after she been down there in Lennox with one of
them Atlanta Braids and you show up a three hundred

(46:58):
dollars see you see, y'all? You named it? Now? Which
one of those teams?

Speaker 1 (47:01):
Shouting sharp played for the Falcons, the Braves, the Hawks,
the MLS team?

Speaker 2 (47:07):
Which one he played for? Club? Shait? Shit? You got
that paper man? So I played it? Ain't but a
few of them. Have you got it?

Speaker 1 (47:17):
Have you ever had a bad experience going over to
a woman's house. Absolutely what happened.

Speaker 2 (47:21):
I was over a girl house and the dude showed up.
They was downstairs talking. The nigga came upstairs. I'm like, hey,
she a good woman, take care of and he left.
That was the weirdest. Yeah, that was weird. He's suppos
have attacked you. You had no jewelry on or nothing.
He's gonna let me get that part. I don't wear jewelry.
My whole thing is to look like I don't have nothing.

Speaker 1 (47:43):
He came upstairs said, hey, man, you're a good woman. Man,
you got your good one here. Yeah, take care of him.

Speaker 2 (47:48):
He was hurt too. I don't know what she was
whispering to him down there about, but this was why
he came upstairs. How he knew you was upstairs? I
guess she told him, Oh lord, you know I wouldn't word.
I had to for them on me. Okay, okay, I'm
not coming over there with at the force.

Speaker 1 (48:04):
See you see, that's why I stopped, because they told
me I couldn't bring my curd, I could couldn't bring
that stick over there, So I said, I can't come
over there.

Speaker 2 (48:13):
I ain't going over there without that.

Speaker 1 (48:15):
No but that, but it stopped me from I had
a bad experience, and you know I was sleep.

Speaker 2 (48:20):
He had the whole well, I know I wouldn't sleep
that time, me and my homeboy bucket.

Speaker 1 (48:26):
He told the story. People thought I was lying. I
called her and she's like, I have to say I'm
in town. She was like, well, come back over. So
we turned around because we had just left campus because
she lived close to campus. We turned around, opened the door.
She got a you know, she got a roll bone.
She said, well, come on back here, let me do
I want to talk to you. I told my homeboy,
I said, bucket. You know, he got a jet. He

(48:46):
grabbed a jet magazine. So we about five minutes in.

Speaker 2 (48:49):
I done took my you know, took my necklace offs
and set my you know, bracelet something rolling. I got
a diamond rolling. I done took that off. By this time,
I see.

Speaker 1 (48:58):
The door handler turning saying to my homeboy, no, I
ain't no no Amtrak stuff.

Speaker 2 (49:02):
I don't even know what's going on. So by this
time the door swing open. Dude got that chopper. I said, Lord,
have mercy. I say, my man, this is your people.
He said yeah two years. I said, oh Lord. He
said my man you I said yeah, I'm him. He
said I thought so. I thought so. I said, my man,
my bad. I said, my bad bad. I said, bro,

(49:23):
I ain't no put my shirt back on. He got
me shook now Carlos and got you know, a now.
But I'm thinking at the back of my mind, I said,
but damn, my whole boy hain't let him get the
drop on me. His partner had the sword off on him,
so that's why he ain't tell me nothing.

Speaker 1 (49:42):
I didn't know this untill later one came in through
the front. The other came in through the back. So
check this out. We leave it, I said, God dang, man,
I left my watch and my bracelet.

Speaker 2 (49:55):
He said, man, forget that. I said, whatever, bet stop
this more fo to go get that.

Speaker 1 (50:01):
I went right back over the darks of my man.
Let me get that watching bracelet. The drugser he said,
here you go. He handed it to me, So we
pull it off. They get the fighting. She run out
of the house.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
Robe tore, don't leave me, don't leave me.

Speaker 1 (50:16):
She dropped in the truck with us and left. I said,
now that's the call of That was the second time.
The first time I had just got drafted. Came back
and I didn't want to drive all the way home
because I didn't want to work for my grandmother up
because she's gonna be panicked because she didn't know I
would have been coming home. So I asked her, I said,
you seen anybody? No, I said, you mind if I

(50:37):
spend the night, No, I could have just took my
tail to Lakinta, spending that little fifty dollars.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
But you know see, but anyway, man, I'm laying there collos,
I'm like this here. You ever laid some. When you
ever had the like sleep paralysis, you can hear things,
but you can't move absolutely after a while, and I
hear people arguing it's getting loud and louder.

Speaker 1 (50:57):
After a while, boom, the do' flopped the hench. So
you know, A, I just got drafted in the NFL.
I'm six foot two, I'm twenty one years old, and
I'm prid athletic. I jump up like what it is
and then I look at him.

Speaker 2 (51:12):
Oh lord, he got somebody on this restume. Man, I
know who he is, I said, Man, he says sharp, man. Problem.
So proud of you, man, I'll be telling the omen
I know you, man, I'm proud. Congratulations man. I used
to watch you at Savannah State. He's like, I said, bro,
I said, I ain't no, he says, shop. I ain't
got no problem with you, he said, But I'm tired
of this beat line.

Speaker 1 (51:33):
I'm putting my shoes on. I say, me too, man.
So that was the last time the dude pulled a
chop on me. That was ninety three. I have not
closed my eyes at a woman house since. I don't
blame you, I said, And people to my old oh
what you mean old.

Speaker 2 (51:48):
If a dog bite you, the likelihood of you going
to buy a dog, it's not very likely because you
have a traumatic experience with said situation. Dude, dude, don't
walk over me a chopper. Dude, got bodies of the
rest may kick the go in and you think I
was supposed to just like over there, they just like
see you gonna understand that you you just got drafted.
Anyway that you would have took her that was yours,

(52:11):
she was gonna be impressed. You could have had a
one bedroom condo down town. I ain't have no place
though I was in college. I'm sleeping in the dorm.
We can't have nobody in the dorm. I don't know
how it is now, but if you an athlete, when
you start listening to them people, oh no no, no, no,
no no no. I'll follow the rules callers because they
had to kick you out there to kick me out

(52:31):
of school, or they wouldn't you the only one going
to the NFL on the whole team columns. I'm telling you, Fred,
you you Shannon Shaw, I knew the start player. You
think you're finna get kicked off the team. I wouldn't
a woman. I would have.

Speaker 1 (52:44):
I would have because they gonna make example out of me.
And first second of all, my brother sterling shop. So
I don't want to do anything that's gonna bring shame
or disappointment to him.

Speaker 2 (52:52):
And I may report's grandson.

Speaker 1 (52:54):
So I always factored that in because before that, now
you're absolutely right.

Speaker 2 (53:00):
I'd have been a little have been a little bit
more reckless. My grandmother would have been so proud me
getting my grandson down there, getting all the whole. Yeah,
he's running through him. You said you wanted the legalized prostitution. Yeah,
why medical prostitution? What kind of medical prostitution? Think of
how much depression is out here. Think of how many
young men out here said nothing to look forward to.

(53:24):
They don't even know how to talk to women. They
need that. Oh lord, yeah, everybody don't got access to
go laugh like that.

Speaker 1 (53:32):
I don't look. I heard a medical marijuana. Yeah, but
medical prostitution, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:39):
I think that should be an industry that is regulated
that people can enjoy. And it's it would take a
lot of stress off going fifty to fifty and where
to take it for a day. A lot of people
don't have conversations like that. It's just just the means
to an end, and if they did it right and
clean and kept everybody safe, it'll be dope to be dope,

(54:00):
it probably decreased, the violence, crime will go down. Uh,
employment would go right because if you if you knew
that you get spending this money, having a whole great weekend,
that might inspire somebody to work a little harder my health,
the economy. Look at what the marijuana industry did for Colorado.
Now just think about what the vagina industry do for America.

(54:23):
Prostitution the oldest profession in the world. Just hey, come
on now, you just need to be regulated. Needs to
be regulated. Who started? Who started a hashtag? Black men?

Speaker 3 (54:33):
No?

Speaker 2 (54:34):
Cheat with that? You do? Ball? Who started that? That
was you started? Yeah? He got that for me because
I'm tired of being misrepresented. Bro, black men most disrespected
man on the whole planet. Bro, don't nobody give us
credit for nothing we is. We don't have no representation.

(54:54):
We are the most disrespected and you know, we the
most sought after. We ain't. Really I can like that.
What made you come to that revelation? What that black man? Don't?

Speaker 1 (55:06):
Yes, I'm a black man, I'm a black man in
order to cheat, you got to be with somebody, right,
If you ain't with nobody, that ain't cheating. So in
other words, as long as you don't have a partner,
you should be able to like sleep with this one.

Speaker 2 (55:22):
That one ain't nobody said nothing by no sleeping. If
you're a black man and you a woman white, you
can cheat. How you come to that conclusion? What you
mean why would why wouldn't you cheat?

Speaker 1 (55:38):
I mean, if you're a relationship, if that's what you're
supposed to do. She white, she a woman you chose, like,
I want you to be my woman. I want to
be in a relationship with you.

Speaker 2 (55:49):
I mean white, Black, Hispanic, Asian, whatever. No, Now, black
men don't black men the most faithful man out here? Man?
Do women believe you? Yeah? Sometimes what you be from
tide sometimes? Bro, You know how they just like to
be objective something. But you know, I feel like as

(56:11):
a black man, you got a lot to prove at right,
So I definitely I don't know any black men that's
out here cheating. I ain't never seen it, right, I
don't know nobody that cheated nobody. I mean I heard
you say that. Sometimes they try to set you up
and make it look like you cheat right, like they're sneaking,
throw you on live and then make it sound like
you're on their cheating, but it ain't even cheating. You

(56:32):
see how they you can fall into the trap easy? Yeah, exactly, you.

Speaker 1 (56:36):
Know, I know you know that it's a setup. I
heard you say that people should stop trying to change people.

Speaker 2 (56:43):
Absolutely, why would you so?

Speaker 1 (56:47):
In other words, I agree, except the person that you
find them, now, how you wish them to be?

Speaker 2 (56:53):
Yep, And sometimes you got it. You can't be looking
for yourself and other people just because you're doing right.
Don't everybodyody gonna act right? Right? So you just gotta
know what you're dealing with. If you met that girl
in the club and she was she was dancing, why
would you tell her to stop? You can't change her.
That's who she is. You just need to accept what

(57:14):
come with her. Yeah, now I'm like that.

Speaker 1 (57:16):
I'm Look, if I meet somebody and they dressed and
I was like, oh, now all of a sudden, I
get with that person.

Speaker 2 (57:24):
Now you can't dress like that no more. No, that's
what I was attract I mean, I like that I
was attracted to day. I ain't gonna try. I don't
want you to stop. You gotta have some security, yes,
put you on that. It don't matter if she a
freak or if she a church girl. If she gonna
be on some on demon time, she gonna be on
that anyway. It ain't nothing you could do to stop that.
You can, you can try to intervene or delay it,

(57:45):
but she's gonna be who she be. She gonna be
who she is. Man, And I tell people all the time,
just be what you be. Just don't include me.

Speaker 1 (57:53):
But you also said women should stop trying to create
the perfect man.

Speaker 2 (57:57):
What do you mean by that? Well, a lot of
women have this idea of the great perfect man, right
and it's not even something that they really want. That's
just what they heard somebody else want, right, Like that
don't make sense.

Speaker 1 (58:16):
I want a guy. He need to be over six
foot tall. He need to be educated, he needs to
be well arounded, he need to be what. You need
a man that tall for.

Speaker 2 (58:23):
You got high candets, Yeah, you need a man that's
six seven.

Speaker 1 (58:28):
He needs to be well read, he needs he wants,
he got to want to travel when they ain't been
No why but but I'm just saying that.

Speaker 2 (58:35):
But that's what that's what they want. A lot of
people won't accept that the type of person that they're
attracted to don't even like them. Mm hmm. It's a
cold world, it is. I mean, it sounds good. It's
cool to have standards or it's cool to have a
wish list, but they don't like you like that you're

(58:56):
looking for ain't necessarily looking for you. When the last
time you've seen a tall man with a tall lass woman,
tall men ain't even attracted the tall women. They like
short women, so then they take all the short women.
Then they leave all the tall women out here. Now
it's just a bunch of short dudes trying to talk
to tall women, and tall women don't like short but
short men love tall women. The tall women looking for

(59:18):
the tall dudes. But the tall dudes that stole all
the short women. So the short dudes can't have no
short women. It's crazy, it's just stupid. They like they
want a rich man. Rich men don't ain't no rich
dudes sitting around like, I wonder what kish you with them?
Three kids is up too? I feel like changing their
life today.

Speaker 1 (59:38):
It don't happen, But it's unreal, you know, what and
women try to guild us in talking about like when
they have kids. You know, two kids, three kids. I
have many kids that have which is not a problem,
not a problem. But you can't guild a man talking
about he ain't no man if he can't take care
of you and your kids.

Speaker 2 (59:58):
I mean, what where they daddy? Why is that a
big problem when you asked where they daddy? Right? I
mean it's a lot of dudes that would accept women.

Speaker 1 (01:00:09):
Like with I ain't got no problem because I dated
women with kids. I ain't got no problem with that.
Why are you out here doing this?

Speaker 2 (01:00:15):
Do you? You do what? You don't love yourself? No?
You you just told me I should like who liked me?
You you don't have to accept everything you put, all
that you went to the gym and did all that
practice and all that running, all them touchdowns to be
a stepdaddy. I don't look at it, noose steps. I'm

(01:00:36):
a real daddy, man. You ain't. You ain't you're the
father that stepped up? Are you? You damn playing yourself? Man?
So come on now, I like who liked me? You
ain't gotta like him like that all the time. No,
But I'm saying look, I don't have a problem because
a lot of times, you know, I ain't really looking
at it, because a lot of a lot of times

(01:00:57):
women might you know that I might be interested they
want to have kids, and I don't know. I'm I'm
fifty six, So bro, I'm not finna be going to
no graduation. They talking about a a Riley That ain't
my granddadd that was my daddy food. No, no, you
fifty six. Don't be putting them old ass babies in

(01:01:18):
them ladies, I would thank you. And when they got
kids they don't want no more. I feel, huh, it's
all good. But if you're gonna be out there dealing
with them kids, mama, man, you you shelling shut up. Now,
you gotta make sure you take care of you, turn
them on to some put some nakes on them and
all that. Man. Sure can't just be out there, No, no, no, no,

(01:01:39):
not you ever dealt with a woman who had a
son who was good at ball and like he might
he might do something.

Speaker 1 (01:01:45):
The thing is like when I dated women that had kids.
They can't ask me for bags. They can't ask me
for anything because I'm only gonna do for the kids.
Because no I'm not finna buy You know, Louis Batanna,
you got a kid out here that needs school clothes,
that need and may need a tutor or something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
Ain't by new messing the economy up. You do that
if you shining sharp and you deal with them though
you understand that you might be her only chance to
get that bag.

Speaker 1 (01:02:10):
They gonna do me and then you're gonna be guess what,
and she's gonna be carried with another dude.

Speaker 2 (01:02:14):
No, you can't. That's see now said. Now you wanna
when you find them, you want to leave them better
than you found them. Big and if you find it
and she and she bad, but she got that Michael
cors On and then she deal with Uncle Ford something.
You're supposed to get a two or three bags. You're
supposed to take that that O seven and turn it
at least to a seventeen. You gotta leave it. You

(01:02:36):
can't just be out here. I ain't got it and
I ain't got it. Like call them, I don't know
what you think I got.

Speaker 1 (01:02:41):
Brad like that calls I know at your crew and
they like, hey, tell them, they.

Speaker 2 (01:02:45):
Tell them you gotta stop. You're being cheap out here
you acting like, oh you no children rub nothing on you.
No no, no, no no no no no no, I tell you,
I mean, I help. I don't see it. I help.
You just said you ain't gonna get there bad because
you worry about who else she wearing it with. You
got no no no no no no host them games.

(01:03:06):
You ain't gonna be there all the time. So when
you get into that bag and then I come in
town for my show, I'm be like, oh, son, put
your little bag on you. Oh that's why you ain't.

Speaker 1 (01:03:19):
I said my call, no more, no, just say this
how I go in the beginning. If you all you
ask is for stuff for the kids where the kids
want to go to summer camp where the kids need
to be in rolling this and the kids need to
be rolling that. That shows me that you focus. Then
I'll do like, okay, you know what boo, I hear
it with a little bad and you acting like you

(01:03:40):
got a job I do.

Speaker 2 (01:03:42):
I don't like that. I don't like that. Man. See
this is why the black economy is messed up. I
got I got kids too. I got a sister that
I take care of.

Speaker 1 (01:03:52):
I got a brother I take care I got a mom,
I take care of I got I got responsibilities.

Speaker 2 (01:03:57):
You're supposed to show up like gold the like look
in school. You could be anything you want to be. Ill,
come here, let me give you all some of this money.
That's how you're supposed to be. Man. Oh oh that's why,
yeah could being snedgy. I guess it is six colors.

Speaker 1 (01:04:13):
I don't know what you think I got this, this
enormous or this absorbed amount of money.

Speaker 2 (01:04:17):
Bro, do you understand you got about twenty minutes of
football highlights on YouTube. I don't get paid for them,
shaped more numbers than Joe Roger. You got liquor. I'm
sure you got a sponsorship from these little comfortable sweat
suits we're working on. We're working up, were working. Ye.
We ain't got it yet, we got it. You ain't

(01:04:38):
gotten a little strapless bags and ship na, I ain't
got the bag today. Who are doing your marketing for?
You need to holler at me? Okay, I'm just looking up.

Speaker 1 (01:04:46):
Hey, I can talk nah, because then what you call
it will happen, and then the women go see this
and said, but Collins will hook you up, so to
break me off.

Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
Bro, I'm telling you they already know anyway, I got
first of all, whatever you're gonna get in all that. Yeah,
this treems is tokya.

Speaker 1 (01:05:02):
This concludes the first half of my conversation. Part two
is also posted and you can access it to whichever
podcast platform you just listen to part one on. Just
simply go back to club Shashay profile and I'll see
you there