Listen Again: Katt Williams

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the other side of Kirk Franklin Prince. This
is the rencon in twenty four.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
All my life, grinding, all my life, sacrifice, Hustle, pet Price,
one slice, got the brother Geist. Swap all my life.
I'd be grinding all my life, all my life, drowning.
All my life, sacrifice, Hustle, pet Price, one slice, got
the brother Geist.

Speaker 1 (00:28):
Swap all my life.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
I've been grinding all my life.

Speaker 3 (00:34):
Hello, Welcome to another episode of Club Shays Shay. I
am your host, Shannon Sharp. I'm also the propriet of
Club Shapsha, the guy that's stopping buying from conversation and
the drink Today, ladies and gentlemen, you're gonna love it.
Some call him the greatest, the greatest, one of the
greatest comedians dead or alive, one of the America's greatest entertainers,
one of the funniest men on the planet, world renowned
multi tality, a comedy legend. He's touring. He's the top

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touring comedian, selling out arenas. He's a h larry a storyteller,
Emmy Award winning actor, voice, actor, rapper, writer, producer, director,
icon genius, a national treasure. Philanthropists humanitarian, social activist, a father,
one of the great funny men of our generation and
any generation. Miss kat Williams, thank.

Speaker 1 (01:17):
You, sir. You are you are, You are magnificent at intros,
and you did not skimp on mine.

Speaker 4 (01:26):
I appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (01:27):
Appreciate that. You know, anytime you come to Club Shay Shay,
we have to toast. Yes, bro, you've been doing it.
I mean you told you're one of the top tour
You're one of the top touring comedians of all time.
You already got started before we started taping. I did
appreciate that. Tell people at home, I thought.

Speaker 1 (01:44):
They was lying. And yeah, this particular alcohol is stronger
than you think it would be, probably by about two
and unbelievably smoother and milder by the same maybe thirty

(02:08):
percent then you could possibly expect. And unlike kanyaks the
world over, this one doesn't taste like wood at the end,
and it doesn't taste like it's got artificial colors, and
it doesn't taste like it's got artificial flavors.

Speaker 4 (02:24):
Uh, it's a it's a fine product.

Speaker 3 (02:27):
He's a connosour. You can tell he's a connoisance. He's
a Kangnac connoisseur. He understands the method that goes into
making Kanyac right.

Speaker 1 (02:35):
Well. As a comedian, you get free drinks at the club,
so all comedians either turn out to be connoisseurs like
myself or straight up and down alcoholics like sixty percent
of Hollywood.

Speaker 3 (02:50):
Well, thanks, thanks for stopping by the club. I understand
that you're very, very busy, and for you to take
time out of your busy schedule and stop in today,
we really really appreciate here at Club Chasehaye. Thanks, thanks
for stopping back.

Speaker 1 (03:01):
And I needed you to know why I came by.

Speaker 3 (03:03):
I need you to tell us why people know.

Speaker 1 (03:05):
I don't go everywhere. I'm not interested in talking to
people unless it's like a Larry King or somebody of
an amazing ilk that I would actually want to go
talk to in real life. Okay, I don't do it
so I can sell product, and then I got things
to sell, so let me come talk. You have a

(03:26):
great product here, and as a fan base, we love
the attention that you spend on the guest. We love
how much work you've done, how well you know them,
how prepared you are, the same things that we liked
about you in football. You brought that on over to here,
and that's why it resonates. And the reason I had

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to come is because you've made a safe place for
the truth to be told. You know what I mean.
And I have watched all of these low brown comedians
come here and disrespect you in your face and tell
you straight up lies. I'm talking about things that have

(04:09):
never been heard in all of black Hollywood. They feel
comfortable sitting here lying to you about it.

Speaker 3 (04:15):
You gonna sit the record straight?

Speaker 1 (04:17):
Are you kidding me? You let Ricky Smiley sit here
and you said out that mouth you stole Friday after next,
the one I was in. I wish all all of
America fumbled event when that happened, And then he said
some stuff that we hadn't heard in one hundred years
in Hollywood. You ain't say nothing. This man told you

(04:40):
he had Kat Williams role. He was gonna be money Mike,
and Kat Williams was gonna be was gonna mean the
Santa Claus. Now, let's three quick points. You mean in
Hollywood they cast a five foot five black Santa Claus
that weigh one hundred and forty five pounds that's your story.
Your story is the Ricky Smile that couldn't even do

(05:01):
curse words because he had a Christian fan base, he
was gonna play the pimp. Why you didn't ask him?
Why has he played a woman in more movies than
he's played a man?

Speaker 3 (05:12):
Well, I didn't know. He shouldn't be able.

Speaker 1 (05:15):
You wouldn't let an athlete that been on steroids talk
about one of the greats. Ricky Smiley can't act because
Ricky Smiley can't act. He told you the story about
when the movie came out. Where did he say he
watched it at home? He wasn't he not the premiere?
You telling this man? You stole that ah so he

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could get his name in the same sentence with a
great one. It is sad. He was just that bitter
when we were shooting it. He told everybody it should
have been my role, everybody on the scene. Why do
you think no cast member has ever said.

Speaker 3 (05:50):
Anything he couldn't have played that role like you? I thought, he's.

Speaker 1 (05:54):
Sure no one. Why no, he was with KD. He
beat up ten Harry Crews. Why nobody know this story
you're talking about? In Hollywood? They switched off rolls. You
take this and he what So Ricky Smiley knows this,
and I don't know why he would lose a child
and come on the air and start lying. That's why

(06:15):
people believe in rituals right there is because well why
would he lie? I don't know why liars lie. But
I can tell you this. We auditioned in Los Angeles. Yes,
I was audition number two hundred and one. Two hundred
black comedians auditioned for the role of money Mike. With me,
you're saying all two hundred and one of us was

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auditioning and you had already had the role and had
already shot the role in four days. The truth of
the matter is the Money Mike in the original script
got raped in the bathroom. And that's what Ricky Smiley
was okay with. Kat Williams had to take the risk
in front of the studios and the cast and the

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powers that be in his very first movie and say, respectfully, humbly, guys.
If we're talking about anything else, I have no credibility
and I have no pull. But we're talking about comedy
where I have all the credibility and all the pool.
The problem with Friday after Next is we're trying to

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make a classic comedy, and this comedy involves a rape,
and rape is never funny, no matter who it happens
to or what the circumstances are. If you would allow
me to allow us to do this movie without a
black man getting raped in it, I promise you that

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it will be twice as funny as it would be
with him getting raped. So, considering that's the real story,
why would you bring up that story? Thirty five members
of the cast and crew have never brought up that
Ricky Smiley was gonna play money Mike. No one ever

(08:02):
saw him be put on a Santa Claus suit. We
got a wardrobe department. They made a Santa Clau suit
for me. Why that wasn't in the bloopers? And here's
the other thing. Everything that money Mike said. Kat Williams wrote,
So what Ricky Smiley say on his you can't say
my lines? I wrote him. That's how I already ready

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know that I'm gonna be funnier than you. What he
told everybody was, Kat Williams, don't nobody know who he is.
I'm on the radio. I'm with Steven said, everybody know me.
That's what he told everybody that would listen to on
this set. That's the truth of the matter. He was
so egregious, not now then, he was so egregious that

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in Hollywood has never heard this in one hundred years.
He was so egregious. I put in my contract that
I won't work with Ricky Smiley again unless he's in
a dress. Now, what was Ricky Smiley's next movie? Was
it First Sunday? Did he wear addressing it? You bet
he did. It's in my contract.

Speaker 3 (09:05):
Why would you put that in your in your contract?

Speaker 1 (09:07):
Cat, That's where he's the unbelievable actor. Him and Tyler
Plarry can't play a man. Let's say their life. They
played good women. And I believe that the best actor
should be in the best role.

Speaker 3 (09:21):
So that's why, because when we released that clip and
he said that, you responded because he said he was
supposed to play money Mike and you were supposed to
play Santa.

Speaker 1 (09:31):
Claus in our right lie. So that he knows is
a lie.

Speaker 3 (09:34):
So why would he say it?

Speaker 1 (09:36):
Because he's a liar. Nobody knows why liars lie. And
that's why I had to come on the program. Cedric
did the same thing. Cedric told you when you asked him,
did you steal Cat Williams joke? He said it don't
line up? Howard, don't line up? That I did it
on TV in twenty eighteen, you came to see me
at the Comedy Store do it in twenty nineteen, and
then did it on the Kings of Comedy, Like what

(09:58):
doesn't line up? This is a televised joke that Mark
Curry helped me punch up and get to the level
that it was the same Steve that went to go
watch Mark Curry do his whole sitcom and then stole
everything Mark Curry had. Now Steve got a sitcom where
he the principal and he wear a suit and he

(10:20):
and then he gets this high top fade, making all
black men think he got the best lineup in the business.
And it's a man unit. Then you asked it, why
are you not a movie star? I didn't want to
be a movie star, Just the same micro that hated
on Bernie with this same thing. I didn't want to
be a movie star. No, you couldn't be a movie star.

(10:41):
There are thirty thousand new scripts in Hollywood every year.
Not one of them asked for a country bumpkin black
dude that can't talk good old bakab it and look
like mister potato head. There ain't none you would have
to have range. I played a lot of characters, sixty
movie roles. I'm not playing Cat Williams in there.

Speaker 3 (11:01):
I don't know care we might let you drink anymore
the way you you, I mean, we ain't even got.

Speaker 1 (11:06):
Im not fueled by alcol I've had a sip less
than you. The truth don't need motivation. I'm just saying
I can't let these dudes lie. Cedric sitting here telling
you why he ain't a movie star, he already looked
like a wal risk. You didn't say nothing. He can't
even get his arms off his stomach sitting on Wow,

(11:26):
I'm not a movie's what?

Speaker 3 (11:28):
It's a situation.

Speaker 1 (11:29):
We never wrote anything. Remember when Cedric the Entertainer starts,
he's supposed to be singing, dancing and telling jokes.

Speaker 4 (11:35):
That's why he's called the entertainer.

Speaker 1 (11:37):
We found out he can't sing, can't dance, and doesn't
like the jobbles. He did four comedy specials. They're so bad,
Shanning they're not available on Netflix or to be Can
I say that again for the audience. They're so bad
that they're not available on Netflix or to be.

Speaker 3 (11:55):
You don't think say has a good a good comedian.

Speaker 1 (11:58):
The world doesn't think that, Sir, I have twelve comedy specials.
He has four specials that are not available on Netflix
or TV.

Speaker 3 (12:08):
It seems to me, Kat that you had a lot
to get off your chest.

Speaker 1 (12:11):
No, no, you wanted to say the record sty winners
are not allowed to allow losers to rewrite history. I
don't say any these things if my name is not
breached by these people on your platform, that if you
give them a liar a platform to lie, then I'm

(12:32):
not being messy by saying hold on that never happened.
It's untrue, and there are hundreds of witnesses for each
thing I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (12:44):
So let me ask you this, what are your relationship
with Steve Harvey, Ricky Smoley and said you did entertainer
as you sit here currently.

Speaker 1 (12:52):
They for thirty years. They're a group. These aren't three
random guys. The way that Ricky's Smiley kept appearing at
all of my auditions is because of Stevens saying he
would tell anybody that listen, they got a gang on
that side. They know what it is, They know who
the gang is. Why earthquake not in movies because he's illiterate.

(13:16):
He can't read. And they found that out when they
gave him a show and put the cards in front
of him. Like, all of these dudes are co entwined
and they share secrets. And this is the age of truth,
and the truth doesn't need to be scared of the
fact that people tell lies. Cats on drugs? Where are
the stories? Why is there no story of anybody who

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ever sold a drug to me, did a drug with me?
Was around me when I was inebriated. I got five daughters,
I got five sons. Why would we tell these ridiculous stories?
Because this competition, you feel like, well, why comedy guys
can't just get along? Why didn't you get along with

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the other teams you were competing against if you're a
Denver Bronco or why you don't get along with the cowboys?
Something wrong with you?

Speaker 3 (14:06):
But I don't disagree.

Speaker 1 (14:07):
I don't know what.

Speaker 3 (14:10):
Comedian do you?

Speaker 1 (14:11):
Did you play against the team? Yes, I've taken forty
six comedians with me on the road. Forty six. Okay,
I'm not the comedian. You can give that to I
only put on comedians that are funnier than me. Anybody
that ever told you differently was a fat Faison liar.

(14:32):
There's nobody like me in the business. Faison said that
getting a Netflix special is easy. I have twelve specials.
Guess how many Faison got zero? So why is he
allowed to have conversations about real stand up people. We

(14:52):
do not let people who are on the juice discuss
real athletes. That's all. As a journalist, that's all. That's
all I'm saying. I don't have harbor any resentment to
any of these entities because I can't be jealous. I've
never seen them have anything that I ever wanted. If

(15:13):
you sign up for their program, you get a light skinned,
weird face wife that never do an interview. Listen in
twenty years, won't do an interview. Nobody's ever talked to her,
and that she's never been interviewed anywhere. And now understand,
I'm not talking about one person. When I just told

(15:33):
you applies to seven people. How they all end up
with that, that's part of what you get. I came
in this business saying I was gonna expose When I
talked about Michael Jackson. When I talked about R. Kelly,
they canceled me for these things, because why would you
talk about another black dude. Race is not where the

(15:55):
line is drawn. It's God's side and the other side,
and we don't care nothing about the other side, period period.
All of these big deviance is all catching hell in
twenty twenty four. It's up for all of them. It
don't matter if you Diddy or whoever you is, TGJS,

(16:16):
any of them. Every all lies will be exposed, that's all.
And anyone who takes that the wrong way know why
they take it the wrong way. The truth is the
light and no more these amen, amen.

Speaker 3 (16:35):
Kind of getting on there right after that, I don't
really kind of know where to go. Lit me one
more time, right We good now?

Speaker 1 (16:48):
Because the people want to know why would he get
black balled? Yoh? Because because because in thirty years I've
done nothing but collect information, knowledge and your secrets. So
if you and a man was in a corner doing
something you wasn't supposed to be doing, you tell it. No,

(17:08):
somebody come to tell me, Okay, I gather that, I
value that, I'll pay for that. Come tell me. I
know so many things I shouldn't know, and they all
know it. They all know it. Why because you don't
make me the villain, not the guy that raises black
children and ain't never done a hard drug in his life,
and don't have no stories of doing nobody dirty. And

(17:32):
they'll just go out in their lie. The industry doesn't
mess with Kat because you didn't show up for the studio.
No studios have ever said that. Look at my IMDb.
It will show you that no studio has ever lost
money with me on the script. How That's why I'm saying.
That's why I can't let Ricky Smiley say he was
supposed to play Money Mike because I wrote the words

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for Money Mike. I designed the hair for Money Mike.
I collaborated with the wardrobe department and made out it's
to make sure that no one in America would be
wearing what Money Mike was wearing. I told him to
go get the prowler. I then told him to paint
it purple. I told him, don't have an actor at
playing a pimp. We could get an actual pimp, Archbishop

(18:14):
Magic don Juan to play like. I did far too
much work for somebody to come years later and try
to tag along just for their own self agrandizement.

Speaker 3 (18:27):
Why didn't Q set the Reconstrate? Terry Crews could have
set the record. Strate, Mike Ems could have set the record. Strate,
Why none of them set the Recordstration?

Speaker 1 (18:34):
That's what you were supposed to ask him when he
told you those lies. That that one's right. But he's
telling you something no one's ever heard of. Nobody has
ever heard. Oh, Matt ben Affleck and Matt Damon was
in a movie and somebody said, y'all should switch rolls,
like this is a business.

Speaker 3 (18:51):
But that's the thing can normally when people will give
you information, I'm thinking I'm hearing it for the first time,
and they're giving information no one else knows or I've
ever heard. So I'm taking him at faith value.

Speaker 1 (19:02):
These are a lot. This is like Steve Harvey telling
people he used to be homeless. That's my story, that's
not his story. Steve Harvey wasn't never homeless. Mark Curry
was touring with him twenty five years ago. He was
making three thousand dollars a show in cash and doing
five shows a week. They just tell the stories. My

(19:22):
thanks to my wife. I'm where I am. You said
that about the first wife. You forget that you told
us it was her, then you went and married somebody
else that think like a man, like, what are you
talking about? They they think they can rewrite history. That guy.
Tori did a beautiful special about the Comedy Store in
Fat Tuesday where he said that Steve and Cedric and

(19:44):
Kevin Hart and Tiffany had his came through there and
made all lies. Steph and Cedric never performed at the
Comedy Store at all. Tiffany was only seen at the
lab Factory in fifteen years in Hollywood. No One in
Hollywood as a memory of going to a sold out
Kevin Hart show, there being a line for him ever

(20:04):
getting a standing ovation at any comedy club. He already
had his deals when he got here. Have we heard
of a comedian that came to LA and in his
first year in LA he had his own sitcom on
network Television and had his own movie called Soul Plane
that he was leading. No, we've never heard of that
before that person or since that person. What do you

(20:26):
think a plant is? Maybe people don't understand the definitions
of these words. He just did his documentary with Chris
Rock where he shows you that his whole upbringing in
comedy was on the East Coast, So how simultaneously was

(20:46):
he here in Los Angeles doing the same thing. It
didn't happen. It didn't happen. And I hate to seem
like a petty individual for picking ap heart lies, but
Jesse Smaw, they gonna keep lying until you say, we
don't believe you, like it's important in the checks and
balances of the universe that liars not get to make

(21:10):
complete narratives for themselves.

Speaker 3 (21:11):
Are you not afraid about being blackballed? Again? These are
some power people?

Speaker 1 (21:16):
Do you mean again? These people are not powerful. Satan
can't create anything that includes blessings for his people.

Speaker 3 (21:25):
That's why.

Speaker 1 (21:26):
Do you know what the number one job of somebody
that saw their soul in Hollywood is? It is to
act like it didn't happen. They all do the same job.
Why do you think Gary Owen can't cross over and
he already white and been in comedy for twenty five years.
If what I say ain't the case, it's a cabal,

(21:48):
it's a consortium. They rock with who they rock with,
and they don't with who they don't. But I'm not
scared of being the competition anymore than you were when
you lined up across from a superior team. Yeah, on paper,
they're a better team. They have all the assets and
resources that we don't. But let us get on the line,

(22:08):
boy boy, and see if that factors in.

Speaker 4 (22:11):
I guarantee you it won't wow.

Speaker 1 (22:15):
Because Shannon Sharp got to be a different person than
that other person, and he always was. That doesn't change
when I change teams. That remains the same. That's how
a legacy is built. So all of these shortcut takers.
I was, they've canceled me for talking about Harvey Weinstein
before the thing came out. But he offered to something

(22:36):
my penis in front of all my people at my agency.
What am I supposed to do? He did all of that.
I'm thinking, I'm the only black person on the script.
I get there, it's three other black guys on there.
Whoa huh? I told him, no, what y'all do? And
this is why when I walk in the room, heads

(22:58):
go down behind my back. I'm nothing. I'm just a
regular old comedian. That's better in jealous but in my face, no, no, no,
the king has walked in and they have to respect it,
only because I'm not taken the shortcuts. I've not been funded.
They pay you to not talk about things they don't

(23:19):
want you to talk about. They tell you that themselves.
I can't do that, cause Steve told you that he
stopped doing stand up because he has seven TV shows.
The only problem is when he stopped stand up, he
didn't have those seven TV shows. He stopped stand up
because he got in a comedy battle called the Championship
of Stand Up Comedy with one Cat Williams in Detroit

(23:42):
in front of ten thousand people and lost because Cat
Williams said he was actually bald and that was a
wig and I went in and that's why he couldn't
do stand up anymore. Imagine him coming to tell you
another story where he got so big and it was burning.
Them's fault because they want to be movie stars. What

(24:06):
you called Ocean eleven to get that nigga's part? What
do you mean you didn't want to be a movie star?
So on the behalf of Bernie, I would have to
say what I have to say.

Speaker 3 (24:18):
Have you ever been on tour with any of these guys?

Speaker 1 (24:24):
Every guy I mentioned to you is not funny out
there in real life? No, No, Faison's never done his
own tour in thirty years. Steve Harvey don't do stand
up no more. Cedric doesn't write. I'm sorry he doesn't write.
Ricky Smiley has been playing the same old black woman forever, like,

(24:47):
you can't get a young fan base with that, Like
you gotta be doing karaoke around the country to make
that work. And he is. But I'm a stand up comedian.
This is my nineteenth, one hundred city tour. I'm not
gonna have a conversation with these lazy bums that will

(25:08):
take a shortcut at any point. Yes, it's easier for
you to juice than to get in the gym, but
you don't get to bring that body in the here talking.

Speaker 3 (25:17):
Crazy about how good you look.

Speaker 5 (25:19):
What.

Speaker 1 (25:22):
No, No, there's too many comics out there that are
put in their life on the line to tell these jokes. Man.

Speaker 3 (25:28):
Okay, let's get to your upbringing. We're gonna circle back
and we just I want to protect them real quick.
If you had said for the Kings of Comedy, it
was in twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen, but did you meet
nineteen ninety nine, because it came out in two thousands.

Speaker 1 (25:41):
I just want to make no, no, no. So what I
meant to say was, remember he said I couldn't do
stand up anymore. I had seven TV shows. I said.
He didn't have any of those TV shows at the time.

Speaker 3 (26:00):
Okay, eighteen twenty nineteen, but it came out in two thousand,
so I just want to make sure.

Speaker 1 (26:03):
Okay, no, no, no, no no, what comes out in two thousand.

Speaker 3 (26:07):
The original Kings of Comedy.

Speaker 1 (26:08):
Right, my, I'm on BET's Comic View and they're using
this as the commercial in nineteen ninety eight.

Speaker 4 (26:15):
That's why I'm saying yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:17):
So if I yeah, so, if I said the date trong, yes,
So let's go clear though. Okay, you said yeah.

Speaker 3 (26:24):
I had Cedric on here, and I asked him about
the joke stealing, and he said the timeline doesn't add up.

Speaker 1 (26:30):
Correct to your to that point, you say, right, So
he thought that I was just a no name comedian
and that he could take this joke and nobody would know.
The issue was that I had already done this particular
joke on BT's Comic View twice. It had done so
well on BT's Comic View that they had made it

(26:53):
part of the commercial. So part of the commercial of
make sure you tune in the BT. Was you seeing
and me doing this joke? And this joke is one
of those jokes in comedy where you set it up
and it takes a little longer to set it up,
takes about three minutes, but then you're just hitting them
with jokes after that.

Speaker 4 (27:10):
Because you don't have to set it up.

Speaker 1 (27:13):
Mark Curry had already helped me work on this joke
because I thought it was good, because I was getting
a standing ovation on it. He had me go back
in the lab and helped me craft it to be
an even more powerful joke. So this is not just
a random joke. This is my very best joke, and
it's my last joke, and it's my closing joke. Okay,
nineteen ninety eight, I'm doing this joke. It's on Comic View.

(27:38):
Cedric comes to the comedy store, he watches me in
the audience, he comes backstage, he tells me what a
great job I did and how much he loves the joke.
Two years later, he's doing that as his last joke
on the Kings of Comedy, and he's doing it verbatim.
He's just changed my car into a spaceship. Him and

(28:03):
Steve had already apologized for me, so I gave him
a pass for a decade. Why would you sit here
and be like I talked to I saw cat thirty times.
The cat didn't do as I stand before you, Shannon,
I would a bust Cedric's stomach. There was nothing that

(28:27):
would have kept me from one of these in that
patch right there, Like, are you kidding me? Why would
you downplay me like that? Why did I give you
a pass if you were just gonna lie? And so
that's what I'm saying, Like they're all a group, Cedric, Steve, Ricky,
They've been a group. Everybody knows that they've been aligned,

(28:47):
and there are these alliances in comedy, and if you
stand against them, then they sometimes have a problem. But
we don't let that change the content, because that's all
you know me for is that I'm quite likely to
tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

Speaker 3 (29:02):
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Speaker 3 (30:28):
Let's get to you upbringing. Born in Cincinnati, Ohio, raised
in Dayton, Ohio. What was Cant Williams's upbringing? Life? Your
parents with Jehovah Witness. You were a prodigy, You were brilliant.
You talked to me that you got accepted a college
at seven years of age. You can read fluently at
three years of age. So having that kind of knowledge,
having that kind of of of of prodigy are so?

(30:52):
What was so? I mean with it? What was you upbringing?
How was it? How was life as Catwilliams crunk coming up?

Speaker 1 (31:01):
I I was often confused because I knew things and
I wasn't sure how I knew them. I knew things
that I felt like, I don't have a reason that
I know this, But I I loved to read. I

(31:22):
was voracious because they told me when I was young
that knowledge was powerful, that knowledge was power, and I
had studied powerful people, and I.

Speaker 4 (31:33):
Really believe that.

Speaker 1 (31:34):
I immediately my next project was to read the whole
encyclopedia set. So when you're like six seven years old,
you read the whole encyclopedia set. You think you one
of the smartest people in the world, only to get
out in the world and find out you don't know anything.
You know, So it was a it was a confusing time.

Speaker 4 (31:54):
But yeah, I had a childhood.

Speaker 1 (31:56):
I was grown, but I at five years old, I
was in front of five ten thousand people given a
performance with a full suit and tie on, you know
what I mean. So it hasn't it had? It came
full circle for my life. I knew that the applause

(32:18):
and the giving of information and laughs and truth to
people somehow benefited them and also benefited you. And yeah,
so when they would ask me what I wanted to be,
everything that I would say that I wanted to be
was something that didn't exist, and they would never give

(32:39):
me credit for it because I needed to say a
doctor or a lawyer.

Speaker 4 (32:44):
But that's not what I wanted to be.

Speaker 3 (32:46):
So your parents weren't as supportive as you would have hoped,
because you were wanting to be things when you got
older that they had no knowledge of or it didn't
exist at the time.

Speaker 1 (32:57):
No, it wasn't that. It was I'm saying, I'm I'm
almost one hundred years old, right, now. But if we
go outside right now, I can run a four to
three forty or or sub I can do a four
to one six.

Speaker 3 (33:15):
Jimmy John's crossed the street. We can order a sub
But oh, you've been on the submarine.

Speaker 1 (33:20):
That what you saw, so so back then it was
even greater. So you got this guy that all the
coaches want to like, I don't do that. Hold on
because I'm I'm five 't five in the fifth grade.
I've been this high as my whole life. Like there
was abortion of school where I was one of the

(33:41):
big dudes. Like it's as soon as everybody caught a
gross spurt, I was out of it. But I'm saying
I was a competitive individual. My father wasn't accurate, Like, like, no,
I've been one hundred and forty five pounds my whole career.
That's why I never bothered when they said your cats
on drugs. I knew how you're going to prove that.

(34:04):
My body is a temple.

Speaker 3 (34:06):
I've been the same size since I was teend.

Speaker 1 (34:08):
Like what do you yeah, Like I haven't. I haven't
changed off this pivot foot. This has always been who
I was before stand up or anything. But it was
a it was an interesting childhood. I appreciate my parents,
even though I couldn't live within the religious frameworks so
what they had set up, But that was more not

(34:30):
wanting to live a double life and not want to
embarrass my family.

Speaker 3 (34:34):
You know what I mean, because I read were a
form of punishment for you is that they would take
books because you mentioned you were such a voracious reader,
and a form of punishment was when they would take
the books for because you could read fluently. You told
me how at like three or four years old, you
could read, read, read, not not just a little child's book,
but you could read read well.

Speaker 1 (34:54):
I'm saying when we when we go to Haiti to
do missionary work, understand that my mother and my father,
nobody that's there with us speaks French, and I mean
it speaks creole and reads French. So I'm in charge
of everything from the housing to the cars to the gardener,
like I'm saying, So I'm not just reading. I'm reading

(35:17):
in multiple languages. I'm probably reading three thousand books a
year from the time that I'm eight years old to
the time that I'm twelve. No fiction books at all.
I'm only reading nonfiction.

Speaker 3 (35:36):
You could drive. At twelve, you received the full scholarship
to the National Science Academy in Dayton, Ohio. But you failed,
so you couldn't become so you would become ineligible. Why
did you want to take that opportunity.

Speaker 1 (35:48):
I didn't see it as an opportunity. When I got
in there, all the students were wearing lab coats, and
it seemed very confined and restricted, and nobody seemed like
they were having fun. It just seemed like everybody was smart.
I didn't want that. That was That wasn't what I
was signing up for at all. And plus I thought
that I was Jesus was my big homie. So you

(36:12):
know how you get a story about a dude joined
the gang and get a big home. Like at this
particular point in my life, my thought is that the
Bible is the greatest book that's ever been written, that
it houses the truth, and that it gives you this
story of Jesus, and that I'm supposed to be like him.
So it's already in my head that as soon as

(36:32):
I get thirteen, I'm leaving you.

Speaker 3 (36:38):
At thirteen, you the only like, okay, Mama moving out.
You moved from Ohio to Florida on your own. You
weren't afraid? I mean you like, did you?

Speaker 1 (36:50):
Did you know?

Speaker 3 (36:51):
So what were you going?

Speaker 1 (36:52):
So?

Speaker 3 (36:52):
What were you going to do when you got to Florida.

Speaker 1 (36:53):
Don't say I wasn't afraid. There's no such thing as
a human being of not being afraid. There are certain
human beings that understand that being afraid in no way
stops you from doing what you gotta do. Okay, So
I was afraid, but I couldn't be that afraid because

(37:13):
I knew what had happened with Jesus, I knew how
it worked out. I knew that I wasn't in the
wrong with how I was feeling, and I knew that
I didn't have any bad intentions in it. So I
trusted God that it would work out. Why Florida, Because
if you're raised in Ohio, the one thing on your

(37:34):
list is I'm gonna get away from snow, and I'm
gonna get as far I want to go. Tell me
the place. I literally went to a truck stop and
I asked all the truck drivers where they was going.
And there was one guy going to California, and there
was one guy going to Florida. And they told me
how long it was gonna take. And so that's why
I ended up in Miami. Because how did you get

(37:56):
a bus me? No, I just told you I was
after truck stop I got in. I didn't hit you
like I got in the back of the dude eighteen wheeler,
me and my Rothwiler puppy and my suitcase. Yeah, because
I was. I probably had twenty five hundred dollars on
me like I like I was shoveling snow and cutting
grass like I always had a box full of money.

Speaker 3 (38:17):
When did you make your decision that you were going
to leave Ohio and go somewhere and it ended up
being Florida? So but when did you know that you
were leaving dating Ohio going to Florida?

Speaker 1 (38:31):
And my father and I his last interaction, somebody could
have not made it, and we both understood that was
all bad.

Speaker 3 (38:46):
What was the disagreement about?

Speaker 1 (38:50):
If you say that my family is very religious, let's
just say I'm not. So anything that I'm going to
do is not as gonna fall out of the guidelines, right,
But I'm not gonna let you tell me what I'm
going to be, even especially what you're saying is wrong.
I can't condone wrong. And if I find out that

(39:13):
something is wrong and I tell you what's wrong and
you don't back me, that's what it is.

Speaker 3 (39:20):
Even as a young child, you were willing to tell
your parents that some of the things that you're saying
doesn't coincide to what I've been reading in the Bible.

Speaker 1 (39:30):
No, no, very simply don't. Don't try to this fellowship
me for sexual accent. I'm a virgin. Sorry, God don't
make mistakes. You don't get two times to fuck me over.
What do you mean? You went to God and he
told y'all was guilty. You just lie on God so long.
That's it.

Speaker 4 (39:50):
There's no conversation, deuces.

Speaker 3 (39:55):
So that was that's when you made the decision. After
that conversation, right there, you say, no, I can't, I
can't live under this.

Speaker 1 (40:00):
It wasn't a conversation. It was an altercation. And the
altercation I love my father. My father loved me, but
we are two men at it that it'll never be
the same again. You can't sleep comfortably around me and
I can't sleep comfortably around you.

Speaker 3 (40:18):
How similar are you to your father?

Speaker 1 (40:23):
No, I don't know. He's a great man. I'm saying
because your butt heads, right, But I'm saying that generally
happens with a father's son dynamic. It was just that
religious relationships are always difficult in families.

Speaker 4 (40:43):
They always are.

Speaker 3 (40:45):
Before he got to the point because the dynamic he's father,
your son, before that dynamic, and you step up on
his level and you challenge him, you feed it was
best for you to leave.

Speaker 1 (40:58):
No, no, no, I'm not being challenge I'm being beat
to death.

Speaker 3 (41:02):
Oh he was abusive.

Speaker 4 (41:03):
I didn't say that. I said we were in an altercation.

Speaker 3 (41:08):
Uh, I see what you did that. I saw what
you did that. I sold you did that, cat, I
saw what you did. You was an altercation. You didn't
say you lost. You say you's an altercation.

Speaker 1 (41:20):
I in no way gave you the impression that I
won anything. I'm the one leaving. I'm out of bounds.
This is his house, right Ye. Yeah, So as long
as I'm gonna be under his roofs, there are certain
things that I'm gonna have to do right. And the
only way that's gonna change is either this or that.

(41:42):
And I'm saying I had two younger brothers like I'm
not I'm not an unreasonable person. Like, I don't have
any mental issues whatsoever, despite what they lead people to believe.
You know, I make good, pretty good decisions.

Speaker 3 (41:56):
Were you not up? So how was their relationship with
your father? Were you not a to leave them?

Speaker 1 (42:04):
Well, I asked, because it went all the way to
the actual department, so it was actually going to be something.
And when I asked them if they could just make
sure that my brothers didn't get separated and what have you,
they said they couldn't make those type of guarantees, that

(42:25):
they weren't really sure what would happen if this went down,
And so part of leaving was the hope that it
would be okay for them, because none of them experienced
what I experienced. I'm saying, I'm the oldest. It's a
lot riding on me. I'm supposed to at least religiously
hold down the family's name right at this household, you

(42:47):
know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (42:48):
How much older are you than the baby and the
knee baby?

Speaker 1 (42:51):
Like a lot older? Like if I'm thirteen, Yeah, they're
five and.

Speaker 4 (43:04):
In pampers.

Speaker 3 (43:05):
Wow, you go to Florida, you tell the story. I've
heard you you homeless and somebody else told the story,
said they were homeless, and you said they hijacked your story. Now, hey,
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (43:21):
At thirteen, I shouldn't have to tell you I'm homeless.
I'm in Miami, Florida. I have no family members in Florida.
I couldn't buy a house if I wanted to. I
couldn't get an apartment if I wanted to. I don't
have a credit history. Like this is not a stretch
for me to say that I'm homeless. I'm living in

(43:43):
a park in Coconut Grove. The park still exists to
this day. For eight hours a day, I would get
up and go to the library and study for eight
hours a day to increase my education. And then I
would leave out of there and go to the marina
and still car radios and make two thousand dollars almost daily,

(44:05):
like I had a routine.

Speaker 3 (44:06):
So you and I could have played then Santa Oh,
thief in Santa Claus. You could have played it.

Speaker 1 (44:11):
No, the Santa Claus wasn't a thief. The Santa Claus,
you can't tell me I read the script. Ricky Smiley
told you he didn't read the script. The Santa Claus
was a crackhead. He just had that outfit on. That's
what I couldn't have played, Okay, Like I couldn't have
played a black guy that got raped in the bathroom, right.

Speaker 3 (44:32):
So any point in time did you like, Man, I
made a mistake. Man, I should have stayed my buddy
in Ohio. Man, because this is man, let's say what
I signed up for.

Speaker 1 (44:41):
I didn't experience anything once I left home that I
hadn't signed up for. If anything had saved my life,
me being homeless for that small period of time allowed
me to see all of the people that were in
that situation and to see that these were lawyers and
doctors and creatures, and that these people were white and

(45:02):
black and Asian and Indian. And the only thing that
all of these homeless people had in in common was
they made a bad decision and aligned themselves with drugs.
And I interviewed them all what drug and guess what, Shannon.
Nobody had a great story. Nobody had a great story

(45:25):
of what meth had done for them, what crack had
done for them, with cocaine had done for them, where
heroin had done for them, with speed had done for them.
Nobody had them stories. Everybody's story was I had my
life together, and then I decided to do this dumb thing,
and I lost my wife, I lost my house, I

(45:47):
lost my cars, I lost my reputation, and I'm now
out here sucking penis in the woods. What talk about
scared straight, You ain't got to worry about me. If
that ain't weed or nicotine, you won't see me touching it.
I don't want no parts. I didnet seen what these

(46:07):
things can do to people. Anything that take over your
free will is the devil itself.

Speaker 3 (46:13):
Have you ever thought about what your life would have
been had you stayed in Dayton, Ohio.

Speaker 1 (46:22):
No, that's like asking somebody that's in the NBA for
fourteen years, like, what would have happened if you didn't
come to the NBA. Oh I shut her to think.
I thought it was what I was made for. I
thought it was what I was built for. Anybody that
knows me will tell you that when they first met
Kat Williams, when I was Cat in the Hat, and

(46:43):
they tell these stories about how he changed his name. Look,
the truth of the matter is Disney sued me. Yeah,
I was Cat in the Hat. They sent me a
cease and desist letter. And I'm not even making twenty
five thousand dollars a year, and the mega company, any Disney,
has sent me a cease and desist, telling me I
can't use any variations of that name. Fine, I'm Kat Williams.

(47:08):
That's all that happened. I have been this same product
the entire time. They will tell you when they first
saw me doing stand up, I was just like this,
this is what I bring, this my style? When did it? When?

Speaker 3 (47:24):
Did you know you was going you wanted? Were you
always funny? Did you always want to be a comedian?
Did you stumble on a comedianship?

Speaker 1 (47:31):
No? I loved what they did, and so I studied them,
all of them. I studied all of the white comedians
because I wanted to know why is Monty Python funny?
Why is Don not so talented? I wanted to know
what is George Carlin's thing like where? So I studied

(47:54):
all of the comedy masters, regardless of the field, because
I loved to Like I didn't know that these people
were making a great living at doing this. I thought
this is just what they did. They tell jokes, they're
funny people. But I loved the craft, and that's why
when I got into the craft, I thought it was

(48:15):
my obligation to make sure that I kept writing new
materials so much that it forced these comedians to stop
doing the set they've been doing for ten years and
keep writing some new stuff. And I knew that if
I could get that to take on, that most of
these bombs would have to just quit comedy because they
can't keep up. They're not gonna keep writing an hour

(48:36):
worth of material. I've written an hour worth of material
nineteen times. They're not gonna do it. Why because they're
not creative writers. They want to get somebody else to
have them write it and put it together.

Speaker 3 (48:49):
So, if I'm listening to you, correct corregn if I'm wrong,
I think the best thing that ever happened with the
Internet because now they have to Like you said, you
could do a set and you do that, do that.
That's set in Kansas City. People ain't hurting in San Francisco,
people ain't hurting in Miami. They heard in Detroit, Chicago, Atlanta,

(49:10):
so forth, and so on. Now you do a set,
it's on the internet, somebody heard it. So you can't
do a set and look it make it last three
months four months.

Speaker 1 (49:21):
Well, it doesn't allow the regular comic the ability to
grow is the real problem. Like the part of comedy
is me taking these jokes in January and by March
I've begun to craft this joke. It's not as simple

(49:41):
as it was when I wrote it. It was just
da da da da da. But now it has the
complexities of the fact that I'm having to deliver this
to a East Coast audience, a down South audience, a
Midwest audience, a Utah audience, a Colorado audience, And so
it begins to take on a different complexion because you're

(50:02):
having to deliver it to different people. Okay, and so
this is what sharpens your joke. You then take those
sharpened jokes that make it special, not you just randomly
take some. So it's a process. You don't allow them
to process. If the first time the guy did the joke,
now that's his joke and the joke is everywhere, that

(50:23):
just sets it up for people to steal.

Speaker 3 (50:27):
So how many times must you tell a joke before
you master it?

Speaker 1 (50:33):
How many times have you had to sleep with a
woman before you done with her? That's not fair. If
it's great, never if it ceases to have usefulness. So
it has been spoken, right.

Speaker 3 (50:53):
I read that you was raised in Florida, you had
some help some ladies of the night.

Speaker 1 (51:02):
No, no, no, that's not true. No, that whole story
doesn't take place in Florida. That story takes place in
Oklahoma City.

Speaker 3 (51:08):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (51:09):
So after I'm in Florida, I then join I try
to join the Marine Corps, and it won't accept me
because I'm too young, and I've lied and told them
I'm sixteen and my family's moving down out. I don't
have my ID but it's coming, and so they let
me go to the boot camp. Blah blah blah. That's
not gonna work now, Okay, So I've learned that lesson.
So then I get this job selling stuff door to

(51:30):
door across the country, and so I've been to all
fifty states. Again, I'm thirty fourteen years old, so I
did that at While I'm doing that, one of the
places i'm at, I'm in Oklahoma, and I've decided I'm
gonna stay here because of meeting these ladies that.

Speaker 4 (51:50):
You're talking about and that situation.

Speaker 1 (51:55):
I don't know at the time why that's important in
my life, or why it's something I should be doing,
or any of that. But now later on. It certainly
helps me in formulating money. Mike for Friday after Next
and pimp named Slickback for the Boondocks.

Speaker 3 (52:13):
Oklahoma. So San Francisco, Oklahoma, Sacramento. From Florida, you moved
to the West coast after so you traveling? When did
you set up shop on the West Coast?

Speaker 1 (52:26):
So, I guess I'm uh eighteen or younger, and I
once I have my Once I have a child, I
realized that I can't. It's a lot of things that
I could use to make money that now is a
no go. So anything with street aspirations that I might

(52:51):
have thought about pursuing or being good at, I now
am a single parent and I got a redo these things.
So I need comedy to really work out for me.
And me and God go into extreme conversation where I'm
explaining to him that I'm a crash out dummy if

(53:11):
he don't send me a lifeline, like I need something I.

Speaker 4 (53:14):
Can hold on to.

Speaker 1 (53:17):
Before I had left Florida, I did stand up one
time because were trying to get in the club. I
didn't have ID, so I said I was a comedian.
They ended up having me do five minutes. I kept
that in my head that I had done that. When
we get to Oklahoma, they're having a competition for stand
up and if you win, you get to go out
on the road with Jeff Foxworthy and Dan Whitney who

(53:41):
is Larry the Cable Guy, and Richard Jenny and these
great comics. You get to open for him. And once
I did that, I realized, Okay, as a comedian, I'm
like way behind schedule out and started this too late.
All the funny guys are already funny and no names, Like,
how am I going to progress? So I realize that

(54:04):
I do better with a white audience than I do
with a black audience. And I'm not sure why that's occurrent,
but the white audience likes me more.

Speaker 4 (54:14):
That's that's interesting.

Speaker 1 (54:15):
So when I moved to Sacramento, it's because Sacramento has
a white and a black audience almost fifty to fifty.
That's almost the makeup of Sacramento. So I live in
Sacramento for two years until I get to the point
where I am equally as funny if the room is.

Speaker 4 (54:33):
Black as I am if the room is white.

Speaker 1 (54:37):
That's not enough. Now I need to be one of
the good ones when it comes to black comics. So
now I have to move to Oakland. And that's what
lands me in Oakland for three years. Once I have
dominated a male black comedy in Oakland to my liking,

(55:00):
Now I'm prepared to go to Los Angeles.

Speaker 4 (55:02):
Now, now I.

Speaker 1 (55:04):
Know you can't throw me any curveballs if it's a
white audience, if it's a black audience, no matter what
they are, I'm prepared.

Speaker 4 (55:10):
To deal with all of the audiences.

Speaker 3 (55:13):
Do you write jokes according to the audience that you're
going to be in front of, or your joke universal?

Speaker 1 (55:21):
Well, in the beginning, part of my framework is that
I'm tailoring every show to this audience. Okay, And that's
how I was able to show my range and show
that I was better than my competitors, is that I'm
Kat Williams. But I was still doing clean comedy. So
I was still going to churches and doing forty five

(55:42):
minutes of stand up at the church with no curse words,
no sex, drug material, no none of that, just straight
stand up. And then I was doing everything else. Yeah,
that was the range. Is that where when in do
as the Romans do? So that's how I started. But

(56:06):
as you begin to get better, you begin to be
able to speak.

Speaker 4 (56:10):
To your entire fan base.

Speaker 1 (56:13):
And that's really what's been helpful is that I've been
having the same conversation with my fan base for twelve
comedy specials.

Speaker 3 (56:23):
Is that what said Cat Williams Apart is your range
is that you can do a comedy do forty five
minutes from the church. I can go to a comedy
club in front of two fifty, or I can go
into arena with fifteen thousand. That's range because everybody can't
do that.

Speaker 1 (56:41):
Cat, Well, if that's what range is called, then then yeah,
it's range. But I like the people I'm talking to.
You see what I'm saying. So it's not like it
can't be condescending because I'm talking to my white male friend.

Speaker 4 (56:58):
When I'm telling that white joke.

Speaker 1 (57:00):
Right when I'm talking about this joke about this black lady,
I know that black lady. That's who I'm talking to.
I'm I'm I'm speaking to this fan base that I've
been speaking to from the beginning. I already told them
what I was on when I first came in. I
told them they was gonna come after me, they was
gonna cancel me, they was going say terrible things about
me and try to mess my life up. I said

(57:22):
that coming in to stand up. I'm saying it.

Speaker 3 (57:26):
Well, you knew it was gonna be.

Speaker 1 (57:28):
It has to be. I know I'm going into the
belly of the beast. How could I be naive? I
know that I'm going into Satan's playground, But I'm trying
to be so good that you got to bring me
in so close that I can see who's doing what
and what's going on in there.

Speaker 3 (57:43):
In San Francisco, you joined the Nation.

Speaker 4 (57:47):
I was ever in San Francisco. I was in Oakland.

Speaker 3 (57:49):
You was an Oakland Did you join the nation? Is that?

Speaker 1 (57:52):
Yeah, Minister, honorable Minister far Con and I have an
extremely close relationship. He refers to me as one of
his sons. So yeah, I spent a particular period of time.
Let me explain, because my particular background was already religious

(58:17):
and super strict, right. I didn't find out about other
religions by reading about them. I went to their religion.
I don't want to learn from Jewish people from outside.
I want to be in a synagogue. I don't want
to learn about Muslim people from I want to be
in a mosque. I don't want to hear about the

(58:39):
Baptist or the Pentecostal. I want to go to their church,
let's see. And so that was the religious discovery that
I was on through that period.

Speaker 4 (58:48):
In my life.

Speaker 3 (58:49):
When did you know you were funny?

Speaker 1 (58:55):
Probably about ten years ago. Ten years ago, yeah, about
ten years So.

Speaker 3 (59:03):
You didn't think. So you didn't think as a child
because obviously you said the very structured background, your family
was very religious, so obviously you didn't get an opportunity.

Speaker 1 (59:13):
And yeah, like I never did a talent show. I
was never any any extracurricular activities. I was never in drama.
I was never in band camp. I was never a
boy scout.

Speaker 3 (59:23):
You stay in school old enough to get for it
because you dropped.

Speaker 1 (59:26):
You understand, you understand. So there was no like, I
don't I don't tolerate high school games. I didn't go
to high school. Don't. I don't know how most of
the games they think I play, I'm not even aware
of them.

Speaker 3 (59:41):
But cap for you to get on stage. And like
I said, a lot of people, like a lot of
comedians that I had a few here, they're like, okay,
you know I told Joe to get girls. I told
Joe to you know, get people to laugh at someone else.
But you It's like you say, you did comedy one
time in Florida's Yeah, and you had this other opportunity
like in Oklahoma that they were gonna take you out

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if you won the talent show, You're gonna go in
the road with these these well known comedians.

Speaker 1 (01:00:07):
And I did.

Speaker 3 (01:00:09):
But I'm just saying how in Florida at thirteen fourteen
years of man, you like sixteen? I could do that.

Speaker 1 (01:00:16):
Well because I knew that there were a lot of
other things I could do, Like when I looked at
drug dealers, I thought I could do that. Yeah, But
I mean so right, and who doesn't like that? Right,
I'm trying to figure out I'm gonna make it, but
now that I gotta do it on this side. But no,
your question was when did I think I was funny?

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I never was my biggest fan. To this day, I'm
not the biggest fan. I'm a fan of comedy. I
like great comedians, like I like Chappelle, I like Patresa O'Neill,
like I like the greats of comedy because I do
like I like Ron White, I like Bill Enball, like
I know comics like people that did the craft. They

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raised me. I was torn with Steve Marmel and Richard
Jenny and real journeyman. So my comedy upbringing was standard.
I thought you had to work all night, every night,
all around the country, and you had to write jokes,
and that you were trying to write jokes that other
people weren't writing, and that your job was to be funnier.

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People that know me will tell you I've been on this.
I had a list of all the black comedians that
were more famous than me.

Speaker 4 (01:01:30):
There was three hundred of them on the.

Speaker 1 (01:01:32):
List, and I had to be able to cross them
all out before I could make it to the next level.
Before I felt like I was funny enough to do that.
And so I appreciate what competition does for sports, and
for my particular sport and comedy is a sports.

Speaker 3 (01:01:54):
What gave you the comedists that you could get on stage?

Speaker 1 (01:01:57):
You remember I was five years old on stage. Okay,
that's but I was reiterating God's word at that point. Now,
I just have to make sure that the content is good.
If the content is good, what part can I not do.
I'm a vessel. He's given me these gifts to be
able to do certain things, so I just want to

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utilize them in my craft, that's all.

Speaker 3 (01:02:22):
Do you remember your first set? How about five ten minutes?

Speaker 1 (01:02:28):
No?

Speaker 4 (01:02:28):
No, I think three minutes, three.

Speaker 3 (01:02:30):
Minutes standing ovation, bulls, some some.

Speaker 1 (01:02:35):
Jeers, No, none of that. They they appallauded like I
was a professional at it. But now looking back, I understand,
because you got to understand, they were all thinking, he
don't even look old enough to be in here, and
we don't have any black guys that live in this town, right,
where did he come from? And then he gets up
there and for three minutes he talked about the fact

(01:02:55):
that he is the entire black community, right, and he
is as disappointed in them. It looked like they looking
for where the rest of them is, and so is he,
And that was his set. But I understood from that
point that the truth is really the commodity and the
fact that we are all individuals and all separate and

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all our own islands.

Speaker 4 (01:03:21):
But not in real life.

Speaker 1 (01:03:23):
In real life, it's only five or six different types
of people, and you gonna see them everywhere that you go,
and all, like all my enemies all look the same
in the eyes, whether it's faise on wander Aria spears.
They all look like and what you got to give sight?

Speaker 3 (01:03:39):
You think.

Speaker 1 (01:03:39):
I don't rumor that, sir. Wander Sights and wander Smith
are two separate people. And I.

Speaker 3 (01:03:48):
Wander Sights amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:03:51):
I love Wanda, and I agree, I love that's my girl.

Speaker 3 (01:03:55):
But I remember on the radio. You went on the
radio interview, if I'm not mistake that at right, and
you came on there with seemingly good intention, and she
attacked you.

Speaker 1 (01:04:07):
It wasn't just that part. It was the fact that
before I go in there, she has a conversation about Okay, now,
I just want to talk to you because you just
wanted Emmy for the city of Atlanta and this isn't Atlanta,
and they just want to hear about the Emmy and
hear from you and to thank you for what you
did putting the city on. And we won't talk about

(01:04:28):
your kids, we won't talk about jail, no cases, we
ain't gonna talk about none of that. And immediately gets
in there and goes to opposite way. You can't flip
up on me because you're an inferior comedian. I'm going
to destroy you and I'm never gonna call you out
of your name. I'm never gonna say anything disrespectful the
people that look like you.

Speaker 4 (01:04:48):
It's a very thin line.

Speaker 1 (01:04:50):
I got a call, but this lady is trying to
embarrass me in front of a largely homosexual fan base.
That's why she got canceled. Gay people don't take it
kindly that you would as a derogatory call me gay.
Gay people don't feel like it's derogatory, So why are

(01:05:10):
you trying to shame me with something in the community
I don't even belong in. There's no gay people saying
I belong over there or been over there, But I
have no hatred of over there. And how dare you.

Speaker 3 (01:05:23):
You did though?

Speaker 1 (01:05:24):
Hey you did a numb on that's vegetary. No, you
either believe in karma or you don't. Because I didn't
even know any of the stuff that she had done
to my fellow comedians until afterwards. I just know she
that it was a setup. And remember they they tried
to kill me this same weekend, not in jokes, with

(01:05:48):
a real gun, in my real face, on real camera. Understand,
I'm losing my life for participating in something that goes
along with my.

Speaker 3 (01:05:59):
Job like this.

Speaker 1 (01:06:00):
Two comedians, what do you mean, and the world was
okay with it because it was me. Had that happened
to anyone else, The world went crazy when Will Smack
smacked Chris. This is a person pulling a whole gun
on a comedian in the confines of their job. It's

(01:06:21):
really a weird situation when they hate you that bad.

Speaker 3 (01:06:24):
Yeah, yeah, you felt she hated you at that moment
because you mentioned that she said he was going to
be very professional. All you want to enemy, congratulations, you
put the city on you own for the city, YadA, YadA, YadA.
And now did she mention anything about the Emmy on camera?

Speaker 1 (01:06:41):
I believe you saw the video and you know that
none of that took place. See that. The issue is
that all the comedians have to come do these radio
stations because you have to sell your tickets, and so
that means you have to go to the radio. Yes,
I don't go to the radio station, and I don't

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make posts to sell tickets.

Speaker 4 (01:07:05):
I just don't. So you've not seen me. I haven't.

Speaker 1 (01:07:09):
I'm not here in some subservient position where somebody sent
me over.

Speaker 3 (01:07:14):
I'm you hear out of the counts of your heart,
you are no, No.

Speaker 1 (01:07:20):
I'm saying, in yes, situations, yeah, let's sure, Yeah and
this person knew I wasn't there for that, or yeah, it's.

Speaker 3 (01:07:30):
But how hard because you have to understand she is
a female, and so you have to be careful. You
have to handle her with kid gloves.

Speaker 1 (01:07:38):
Sir, Sir, you want to go ahead and take that out.
You don't want to be against equality.

Speaker 3 (01:07:44):
Dude, don't.

Speaker 1 (01:07:46):
What you just said was very unequal.

Speaker 3 (01:07:49):
Sir.

Speaker 1 (01:07:50):
But you think maybe you've had enough for this because
I think I just heard you saying that women are
not equal as you be treated on each and they
want to be treated me as a comedian.

Speaker 3 (01:08:03):
No, no, they want Listen, you understand, and I understand
in certain situations they want to be treated equal, not
all situations.

Speaker 1 (01:08:14):
And and what part of what you saw her get
what part would have been different if she was a man.
It would have just been more vicious.

Speaker 3 (01:08:28):
That's my point.

Speaker 1 (01:08:30):
I took all the vicious and bent them a way
because I didn't have any Plus, I understood, I'm not
trying to offend black women with short hair. I'm not
trying to offend heavyset women. I'm not trying to upset
fellow comedians I'm not trying to do any of that,
and I can't. I am qualified to be able to

(01:08:51):
do none of that and still eviscerate you because I'm
smart enough to know that I need to say that
you have gnarled fingers because I know you're living that
education means you don't know what the word means, so
you can't possibly respond to it. You're not sure of
the meaning. And I'm going to continue hitting you because
this is what comedians do. You've been masquerating that you're

(01:09:14):
a comedian.

Speaker 4 (01:09:15):
Too, and that's the fallacy.

Speaker 1 (01:09:18):
So nobody in boxing fights out of their weight class.
If you're a one hundred and thirty pounder, you don't
just show up with the one sixty pounders.

Speaker 4 (01:09:27):
You stay in your weight class.

Speaker 3 (01:09:28):
Is that what you wanted to do? That she was
out of her league when it came to because.

Speaker 1 (01:09:33):
I didn't want to do any of it. I know
you didn't want it to do it, But.

Speaker 3 (01:09:36):
Once she took it there, did you feel that you
had to go there? Oh you? You could have said, Wanda,
I didn't come here for that. I just want to
do the interview. I just want to talk about what happened.

Speaker 1 (01:09:47):
Oh you misunderstand my job. My job is to be funny. Haha.
My job is to be funny first. My first job
is to be funny. My second job is to be respectful.
My third job is to be immaculate and gaza strip it. Uh,
that's non political. I'm saying. If you do it, you

(01:10:10):
let a terrorist accidentally touch over here, and I won't
stop burning you down until there ain't nothing left. It'll
literally be rubble on top of rubble, and I'll still
be bombing. Why, Because that's why you should mind your business.
This is what f around and find out is about.

Speaker 3 (01:10:30):
Right. Have you ever been boot capped?

Speaker 1 (01:10:41):
Yes? Yeah, I have.

Speaker 3 (01:10:49):
What was that feeding like? Did it like want to
give up? Because we don't? I mean because when you have.
I mean, I don't know how early it was in
your career. Obviously it hadn't been in the I don't
think it's in the last decade. You because you've been emaculate.

Speaker 1 (01:11:06):
Have you ever dropped the past? I have, I've been,
you know, the little segment between everything is fine and
I got it and then you noticing where it is now. Yeah,
it's that the thing about as a comedian. The audience's

(01:11:29):
opinion is the only opinion that matters, not you the writer,
not none of that. And so I don't think any
comedian has ever been booed unnecessarily either. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying. What what do they

(01:11:49):
say when a guy shoots airball in the NBA? They
say air ball and make sure everybody knows. But again,
he still got to get back on d like the
game didn't end. He don't get throw his hands up
and sunk. That's supposed to be used as a learning experience.
Most comedians don't get booed enough. I mean, this is

(01:12:11):
how you end up with a Michael Blackson who's a
real African doing a fake African accent. Okay, this guy
is mad at me. All I did was give him
the best advice of his life. Remember he was wearing
dirty this sheek, and I told him he needed to
dress to be in the position that he's trying to
say that he's in. And if you're the African King
of comedy, sir, there's actually comedians in Africa doing comedy.

(01:12:34):
If you're gonna say that, you gotta go to Africa
and get a school, dude. Everybody got you gotta put
in some work. And these guys they take my advice,
they change their whole persona, and then they hate me
for it. And generally I'm just too big to comment
or make a statement about it, or do a live

(01:12:54):
or any of that. But when it gets to be
a whole grouping of these guys, I gotta come and
talk to Shannon. I gotta lay it down at the alter.

Speaker 3 (01:13:07):
You know every comedian this.

Speaker 1 (01:13:09):
This is the other side of Kirk Franklin, Prince, this
is the reckon twenty twenty four.

Speaker 3 (01:13:20):
You watched that. You know, every comedian that's been on
my show. You know you watched every episode.

Speaker 1 (01:13:27):
Because that's not what you said. You said, I know
every you know every comedian you're limiting me.

Speaker 3 (01:13:32):
Oh, you watched every episode because you you know things.
You know things.

Speaker 1 (01:13:38):
That That's always where I'm trying to come from, whether
it's comedic or otherwise. That's why even if you see
me get arrested ten times in a row on TV
as a fan of mine, you can be like, he's
gonna be right out. Yeah, but they just said he
didn't do it. He couldn't have It's stupid. Why would

(01:14:02):
he do something stupid knowing he got to come back
and talk to us. Nah, they respect that every time
it happens. I'm gonna be free as a bird sitting
out here talking to you about it, that it really
was what I said it was.

Speaker 3 (01:14:15):
That's all you end up, You Tom down, You're in LA. Yeah.
Now I'm reading Cat Williams won Entertainers and how's a
bush the Best Los Angeles Comic Award? Did you win?
That award? Won Cat Williams. Here's a simple yes or no.

(01:14:38):
It's not a rhetorical question.

Speaker 1 (01:14:40):
It's a question that probably should have been asked to entertainer.

Speaker 3 (01:14:43):
I'm asking you.

Speaker 1 (01:14:44):
I got you here, though I know I couldn't believe
Center didn't get asked that question. You still a dude's
joking to give him a reward and then tell him
laying you don't know nothing about it. Hey, but I
promise you this, if he sees me again before he

(01:15:06):
sees you, he'll be talking different when you see it.
That's for certain. That's the difference. That's what these comics
understand is that I'm not doing nothing for Cloud.

Speaker 4 (01:15:15):
I don't even recognize Cloud.

Speaker 1 (01:15:18):
But eventually the Lord is gonna let me and you
be in one hallway. A lot of these dudes go
Kevin Harden went twenty five years without ever being in
the same building with me at the same time. If
I go in the building, he walk out. You've never
seen us in the same building ever in twenty five years.

(01:15:39):
Like it's like that. Why why? Because I'm really the product.
It's not what you think. I am never under the
influence of anything. I'm always in my right mind. I'm
always a physical specimen. And when you see me, I'm
much much bigger than you had thought. I have far

(01:16:03):
less play in me than you would like, and I'm relentless.
I'm out there. I'm still to this day, I play
eleven games of basketball with a twenty year old. The
record is ninety two and six. This is just in
New York. Just to the rack.

Speaker 3 (01:16:23):
Just because you work out care yah, I mean no,
you work out.

Speaker 4 (01:16:26):
Cant not to the gym.

Speaker 3 (01:16:28):
You don't work out the gym. You push up sit ups.

Speaker 1 (01:16:30):
My whole life was it was just push ups and
set ups only. I would do like.

Speaker 4 (01:16:37):
One hundred push ups a day.

Speaker 3 (01:16:38):
Just I thought you was gonna say a thousand.

Speaker 1 (01:16:40):
No, no, no, because this is literally every day. This
is not for the Yeah, for the gram you know
what I mean, like literally one hundred a day, and
I would do push ups and then I tore both
my rotator cuffs and so it was only thanks to
golf that I was even able to get mine go back.
I've been a golfer for quite some time. I shore

(01:17:00):
game is impeccable. I can't get you but but to
and some change off of the t off the tee.
But I'm still I'm I'm still coming in for par guaranteed.

Speaker 3 (01:17:12):
You playing for the tips?

Speaker 1 (01:17:15):
Uh No, I've found that you don't get anything for that.
It seems like this seems very ego monologal. They go, hey,
cat for free, you can go further back there right? Wait,
min does it still counsel sing Hey, I'm up at
the ladies tage, don't tell me my pronouns on the

(01:17:36):
golf course. She her him, damn man, they whoever whoever
at the front team.

Speaker 3 (01:17:45):
We're I know, we're joking. We're having great conversation. But
you did win the award. How did the ward help
your career? It had to him some cat.

Speaker 1 (01:17:53):
Nope, No, I didn't remember it happened to you just
said it set. How can Sedri give you an award
that was worth something? Everything sedrinc and Ricky Smiley ever
been in got canceled for not being funny. Ricky Sahir
told you that they cut him out of every movie
he did. They always had a reason. That's why I'm funny,

(01:18:21):
because I'm a happy person. I laugh all day long.
I can't even imagine the misery of these bumps. Just
to not be good at what you do, not work
hard at what you do, but have to that like
you the best at what you do. It is crazy.
It's crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:18:40):
But they be touring, they be doing like a hundred
shows a year.

Speaker 1 (01:18:44):
That's me. I don't run into none of them. That's
what I'm saying. If you a face our love fan,
you mean you've been a fan of him for thirty
two years. You still waiting on him to do his
first special? You mean to tell me if Steve Harry
your favorite comedy, you mean you've been waiting for him
to do stand up for fifteen years now. I mean,

(01:19:05):
Steve got a lot of d d L still out there.
None of those irons mattered to stand up. Who cares
that they wrote a plack card for you to do
family feud on like you're you're successful, because we're surprised
you can talk for a living, and it's entertaining that
you're gonna say some funny country things. But not a writer, right,

(01:19:28):
not a writer?

Speaker 3 (01:19:30):
How did you develop money might and get it? I
mean that, I mean everybody talked me money might is
how how did you come up with that? And says,
you know what, this is how you should dress, This
is how you should talk, this is how you should look,
this is the kind of whipyeh ride, this is how
we should talk.

Speaker 1 (01:19:51):
So if you'll remember that that was my first movie,
just understand that what I did then I've done with
every single role, whether it was an Emmy winning role
or whether it wasn't, whether I was playing somebody homeless,
whether I was playing a dirty vagabond on Atlanta, or
whether it was an eccentric guy in First Sunday. Regardless

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of what the role is, the first thing I do
is erase me from it. Okay, So anything that I
would naturally do, that's what I'm not gonna do because
I'm playing a different characters, right, So I then create
this person based upon real life circumstances. So I don't
have to wonder what a pimp thinks, cause I've been

(01:20:34):
in that position for a little while. I also worked
manual labor for some time in my life, so I
don't have a problem paying somebody that works. And I
don't have a problem being a go getter, cause I'm
a go getter. So I bring whatever I can to
these characters. I was able to the first week that

(01:20:56):
I got the script. There was a pimp guy that
used to be a pimp, but he wasn't anymore. He
was a rapper now and his name was Macminster, and
he have been a pimp and was geting to be
a rapper. And I had never done a movie before.

Speaker 4 (01:21:14):
I was a stand up.

Speaker 1 (01:21:15):
And I'm getting ready to do the movie, and so
I was able to craft what a real pimp was
like what was too much? I didn't want to be stereotypical.
I did the research. I saw how many times people
played pimps, and they were always it was always something
weird about them. I guess, because it's a weird job,
you know what I mean. And I wanted somebody that

(01:21:37):
didn't seem like none of that, that he really thought
it was a business and treated it like that, and
so you know those adding those levels to acting is
what all actors do if they're not Steve or Cedric
or Ricky. Like you're trying to create a character.

Speaker 4 (01:21:54):
You don't.

Speaker 1 (01:21:55):
You can't just be Phason in every movie, like you're
just gonna take your shirt off on every movie. Like,
why does it say that in your script?

Speaker 3 (01:22:04):
Man, let big warm leave, let him breathe, Cat, bigt
let big warm breed call him out.

Speaker 1 (01:22:11):
Now, you having an unnatural allegiance to losers.

Speaker 4 (01:22:21):
And it's not like.

Speaker 3 (01:22:22):
You, No, I ain't got no allegiance to the man.
But you gotta admit the role that he played big work,
I mean big Peram in Friday. Now you gotta get
him credit for the role.

Speaker 1 (01:22:30):
Now come on, now, let me ask you a question. Yes,
if what you're saying is correct, why wasn't here next
Friday or Friday after next?

Speaker 3 (01:22:37):
I mean his role, I mean it wasn't good. Sorry,
there was a lot of people that didn't that appeared
in the first one that weren't in the second one.

Speaker 1 (01:22:46):
Cat, I'm just telling you why. I'm sorry. I'm sorry
that it's a there's a news flash that there are
reasons for things in the business. Yes, oh okay, well
would you? Why would you? Why did you bitch? D lo?
He had two points. What are you talking about? Shut up?
But I like him. Nobody cares about that. That's not

(01:23:10):
what we're talking about. These are business conversations that deal
with businessmen, right right. When you're good at something, you
should regress. The guys that are not as good, they
should fall down by the wayside. That's natural.

Speaker 3 (01:23:23):
There were they so you believe, if your talent doesn't
support it, you should fall by the wayside. And the
guys that have the talent and they get elevated, they
should move.

Speaker 1 (01:23:32):
No, that's what water says. That's what the universe say.
The universe say the levels. No, I don't not, I say,
am I I'm nobody, But I'm working every day as
if I think.

Speaker 4 (01:23:46):
That's what should happen, is how it should be.

Speaker 1 (01:23:50):
And I'm choosing comedians that also write and work hard
and don't steal other people's material. And I'm making sure
that they all make three hundred thousand dollars a season,
and I'm making sure that they're not ever signed to
me or my conglomerant.

Speaker 4 (01:24:06):
And that's why they're successful.

Speaker 1 (01:24:08):
No, you can work with me and still be an
independent businessman, boss owner like you came in. I don't
need you to be subservient to me. That's those other
guys that make you pay dues.

Speaker 3 (01:24:23):
You said earlier that you rewrote a lot of what
money might was to say and how he behaved. So
they allowed you the freedom, the liberty to add lib.

Speaker 1 (01:24:33):
How much would they allow you to just make an
interception if it didn'tbody talk about it? As a football player,
if the ball on your way, can you just grab it?
Can you make an interception anytime? Are you allowed to
pick up any fumble? You can do any hustling? Right? Oh, okay,
same here, same here.

Speaker 3 (01:24:52):
But here's the thing though, as an offensive player, they
might make me add lib once I get a couple
of years into my Really, they wouldn't let me add
lib as a rookie. That was your first movie.

Speaker 1 (01:25:03):
I I told you the conversation in my first movie
just because I'm I am committed to laughs. The only
way I made it past those three hundred comedians. I
didn't tell you this. What it required is I had
to watch all three hundred comedians ten times a piece.
I watched your set ten times of you performing whoever
you were, and then I counted how many laughs you

(01:25:25):
got every time you did these amount of minutes. So
if you told me this s comedian had told me
he did thirty minutes, I could tell you that he
got twenty six laughs in that thirty minutes because I
had done the numbers on everybody. So I didn't just
say I was funnier. I knew I was funnier than

(01:25:47):
the comic you liked, and I could tell you how
many jokes funnier I was, because that's how we judge
stand up. You do fifteen minutes, I do fifteen minutes.
How do I know I'm funnier than you Cause you
got six las and I got sixteen. I'm almost three
times better than you, low key boy boy. But I'm

(01:26:08):
never gonna tell you the formula, so you gonna keep
just going out there filling jokes. Not understand it that
I psychologically the audience by ten years is convinced that
I'm funnier than you. They just don't know why, because
I'm putting out more content better.

Speaker 3 (01:26:28):
I had Terry Crews on here. He said. At the
time that you did the movie, you were homeless, is
that true?

Speaker 1 (01:26:41):
This was my situation. I five months prior to me
getting this first audition for Friday after next, I got
this baby's son. I'm holding him up above me. He
grabs my little chain. He's playing with it, and he
accidentally drops it. It breaks out my front two teeth.

(01:27:05):
I'm in a situation now where when I go to
the dentist, they telling me this's gonna cost thousands and
thousands of dollars to fix this, right, They not telling
me what it's gonna look like. I go get a
estimate with no money evolved, find out what I need
to do. They find out you got a tumor in
your upper jaw, so we gonna have to do a
whole surgery for you.

Speaker 4 (01:27:25):
It's gonna be a hundred bands. I don't have it.
I don't have it, and.

Speaker 1 (01:27:34):
I'm only gonna have this check from this movie. So
while I'm doing this movie, we live in this trailer.

Speaker 4 (01:27:43):
This where we live.

Speaker 1 (01:27:44):
So when they come to work at five in the morning,
we already there. When they leave at night, we still there.
We just double back because we understood that this is
our one opportunity, and we have this opportunity to change
our lives just like a young man going for the dreft.
We can actually get in the league with this. There
are thirty comedians on this cast. They're all magnificent. This

(01:28:07):
is the holy grail of the situation. So yeah, I
was able to make sure that because it wasn't just
my first movie. It was KD. Albert's first movie. It
was Terry Crew's first movie. I was the leader of
this group, which meant that we did We didn't do
their rehearsals they did rehearsal. We did our own rehearsals

(01:28:29):
daily to make sure that we were at the level
of professional actors, which is what made it so egregious
that guy say I was supposed to you were supposed
to what.

Speaker 3 (01:28:46):
Kendy did have a good part in the movie. Man
Santa Claus was funny.

Speaker 1 (01:28:49):
Man the dude said the entire time we're filming, I
can't play this role. They got a bandone over my
nose and my mouth my thrown in, So yeah, tell
your story. He's ten.

Speaker 3 (01:29:12):
Crews also said that you guys had a lot of
conversation that this was your opportunity and you needed to
seize this moment.

Speaker 1 (01:29:23):
Terry had the benefit of having been in some very
high profile situations already and took ls like he had
been in the league, you know what I mean. He
he had done pro wrestling, he had done a lot
of things, he had been televised and some things that
hadn't worked, and.

Speaker 4 (01:29:43):
This was just fortuitous for him.

Speaker 1 (01:29:46):
And now, you know what nobody has ever said in
the whole industry in twenty years about, you know, the
whole money might not getting raped in the bathroom, right,
So I understood going in that There's no reason I
lost every for a five year period, every single movie

(01:30:06):
that Kevin Hart did was a movie that had been
on my desk that all I had said was just
can we take some of this step and fetch it
shit out and then I can do it like it
don't need to be overtly homosexual because I'm not homosexual, right,
It doesn't need that to be funny, right, And me
saying that and them going oh, yeah, no problem, and

(01:30:28):
then going to give it to this other guy and
having him do it just like it was, and acting
like I'm a bad person because I keep standing on
my standard. But yeah, it's interesting, but I wouldn't change
it for the world. Like again, I'm I'm on the
winning these decisions.

Speaker 3 (01:30:51):
You know. Look, I've had Cube, I've talked to Cbe.
A lot of people say Cube doesn't pay. What's your
relationship with you? And what did that opportunity mean for you?

Speaker 1 (01:31:04):
Well, the ungrateful bastards that would say anything about Q's payment,
you shouldn't even talk to them anymore. Like you don't.
You don't go to good Will. You don't go to
a good will thrift store and go look at all
this cheap, bad shit. Won't you shut up? Won't you
shut up? You could have went to her mess. Why

(01:31:25):
you didn't go to blind Ciaga? Why you didn't get
a bow to the ball Maine? You want to have
that conversation? What do you mean the independent black dude
who's filming it partly out of his fucking pocket? What
do you mean he didn't pay you enough? They wear
those weird those that felt like they earned the opportunity
because they were big.

Speaker 4 (01:31:42):
No, No, I understand that.

Speaker 3 (01:31:44):
Ain't a million dollar movie. I mean, how much did
you expect you was gonna make?

Speaker 1 (01:31:49):
Well? I made enough to get them teeth fixed, just
like you did. Yeah, so it was no harm, no foul.
I knew that I was gonna go from there, and
there was no.

Speaker 3 (01:32:01):
You gonna turn it back with cat will you?

Speaker 1 (01:32:02):
Well, here's the thing, I wrote it. What I'm saying,
I'm saying, if I did it, and I did a
good job at it, you can thank me. I was involved, right,
I'm not gonna come later on and tell you I
never even read the whole script. So how you know
when Roes? What? What do you mean? You never read that? Like, like,

(01:32:30):
these guys, whole job is to present something, unfortunately, and
I'm just not a presenter. If you asked me a question,
I'm just gonna tell you the truth of how I went.

Speaker 3 (01:32:40):
Would you be willing to do another Friday.

Speaker 1 (01:32:44):
Qube already asked me to write it? I was supposed
to have been writing it. That's this is what these
guys are mad about. Like we lost some great people
before this movie could come out, regardless, and so yes,
they're desperately needs to be one. But we miss John

(01:33:11):
Witherspoon in a way that can't really be quantified.

Speaker 4 (01:33:14):
If I'm being honest with you.

Speaker 1 (01:33:16):
And the Chris Tucker that we got now is Epstein
Ireland Chris Tucker or not Smoky who if I didn't
know no better, I tell you he's the greatest. I
don't get what you say. To be confident and not

(01:33:38):
delusional is a real skill. Most of these confident people
we see is really the lousion.

Speaker 3 (01:33:45):
Well you don't think, you don't think. They ask Chris
Tucker to come back in the second in the in
the second Friday, smoky, Smokey was all in smoky. There
ain't no Friday without smoking.

Speaker 1 (01:34:01):
We all agree to that. And there's no next Friday
without Friday. And there's no Friday after next.

Speaker 3 (01:34:05):
With us about the road because you said that, they don't.

Speaker 1 (01:34:07):
It's a Chris was allowed to make the decision at
the time that this is happening. Kat Williams is known
for smoking weed. Willie Nelson is known for smoking weed.
Snoops known for smoking weed. But none of us is
really known except will it. And I'm saying Chris Tucker

(01:34:30):
didn't want to be the poster child for smoking weed.
He don't smoke weed like that, right He in the
church he Michael Jackson's best friend, Christmas. Michael Jackson called
him Christmas. You ever met a man that, yeah, you
a little nickname like that? Me? Neither must be the

(01:34:54):
greatest man.

Speaker 3 (01:34:55):
I ain't gonna be able to get nobody back, or
I ain't gonna be able to get no mocalmedias.

Speaker 1 (01:34:59):
They all coming. Are you kidding? Hey?

Speaker 3 (01:35:03):
All the rest of the I'd have gotten was I.

Speaker 1 (01:35:06):
Promise you, everybody trying to double back, you're gonna be
to beat him off with a stick. You won't let him.
You're goomenough much as.

Speaker 3 (01:35:20):
You're on Death Comedy Jam Comic View, what were those experiences?

Speaker 1 (01:35:24):
Like?

Speaker 3 (01:35:24):
What do you what do you remember most about Death
Comedy Jam and Comic View?

Speaker 1 (01:35:31):
Comic View was everything. Comic View was really the break
and not Friday after Next, just because Comic View was
just three thousand of your stand up peers and we
just throw sets of all of them up there and
we see who the audience likes, who do they like?
And it was a great, wild, wild West time to

(01:35:53):
be involved in comedy. And the same is true for
death Jam because hip hop, you was a fad at
one time, and hip hop ain't gonna last and why
are you doing that? And that's how it was for
blue comedy. If you were a comedian that cussed, you
were ridiculed by the mainstream Comedy Geist. That would be

(01:36:17):
like me being on Joe Rogan. Joe don't want me
on there. I need to be on Shannon Joe. Joe
got six comedians that never been funny. He want to
push out. But that's really how it is. I'm so sorry.
I'm competitive. You an athlete?

Speaker 3 (01:36:35):
Right? Yeah? Yeah, I can tell you understand. Will there
ever be another com you death comedy jam? Could that
in today? Twenty four, twenty six? Could we see that again?

Speaker 1 (01:36:47):
They've already announced it. It's already going you didn't know, Yeah,
Kevin Hart purchased it, so he's now doing a comed
view that captained at the same time that they gave
DC Young Fly Hollywood Squares. Yeah, because they tell you
that there's no gatekeepers, but we keep seeing the same
people open the gate. They didn't kend to open the game.

(01:37:08):
Let Tiffany in, ain't he now opening it up? Don't
such and such open the game? But what you mean,
ain't no gatekeepers? There's one hundred gates out here? Would
you everyone I've seen got a keeper?

Speaker 3 (01:37:21):
Would you have wanted to do comic view or death
Comedy Jam? Would you have wanted to be I.

Speaker 1 (01:37:25):
Think we just mentioned I did them both.

Speaker 3 (01:37:26):
No, I'm saying he purchased the rights and refranchise it.

Speaker 1 (01:37:35):
Nope, they didn't offer it to me anyway, Like Comic
View did a couple of disservices to comedy as well.
So there were people like me that were out there
getting two and three standing ovations in one set, and
that wasn't good for television. So what they did was
they started making everybody get a standing ovation, so they

(01:37:58):
would tell the audience when they get off stage, everybody
get up in chair. And so now the fact that
I'm the only one out there going to get standing
ovations is now making people think everybody get a standing ovation,
and that's not how comedy is. So I understood why
that couldn't go anymore because remember Ricky Smiley sat right

(01:38:20):
here and told you a story about how he performed
with Mike Epps and Cat Williams when he did a
Comic View, and to let him tell it, he was
funnier than both My name lived there. You're talking about
the special needs. That's good.

Speaker 3 (01:38:41):
That's a different That was a different time.

Speaker 1 (01:38:44):
Cat, No, it wasn't. It wasn't the time I was there.
But I'm saying that time this time, same times. No,
but I'm saying, just like people that tell you the
Egyptians they're not black, egypt is in Africa, folks. As
long as Egypt is in Africa, then as are African.

Speaker 3 (01:39:02):
Do you believe you could tell the same jokes today
as when you started out? I mean edid Murphrai'd not
telling those jokes, Richard prob wouldn't be able to tell
those jokes in twenty twenty four that they told in
the seventies, in the eighties.

Speaker 1 (01:39:16):
So they wouldn't have total But that's my point. They're
not inferior people. No, if they were in this time,
they would be going according to our time, just like
then we were going according to that like. That's how
it is in the world. There are words that we
can use for a while, and when we use them
for a while, until somebody says that ain't a good word,
we should stop saying that. Correct, that don't make people

(01:39:39):
feel good, And we stopped saying the word, and we
move on to another word. You can't say to our word.
You can certainly say special needs, you can certainly say spectrums.
You get there are things that you can say to
get your point that don't have to hurt people, but
you would know that if what you did was construct
the English language for a living, then you would understand

(01:40:01):
that part.

Speaker 3 (01:40:03):
You financed your first stand up, you had twenty It
cost you twenty two thousand, You had twenty five to
your name. Why did you decide to do that? You
believe that much in.

Speaker 1 (01:40:15):
Cat I believe that much in business and business the
goal is for you to become independent and be the boss,
take the responsibility and also get the profit.

Speaker 3 (01:40:25):
Okay, that's all.

Speaker 1 (01:40:29):
How can I be looking for you to put me
on if I wouldn't and if I can't show you
what you missed out on, why would you believe me? Now?
The fact that I was able to do it twelve
times cool, That's the real thing. The part that I'm
able to do it all across the country. The fact

(01:40:51):
that every time I do a tour or special, you
think that's sponsored by somebody. Nobody did a good job. No, No,
just the guy they're kicking around, just the one that
might mentally not be all there. He's the one picking
the outfits, writing this guy's material, booking the shows, making
sure he gets there. He's the one hiring the other comedians,

(01:41:13):
he's behalf. I knew that that's the end goal. So
if that's the end goal, and I'm there when I start,
why would I deviate from that? Remember I I I
My goal was to get this far in Hollywood and
still have a virgin asshole and never had sucked the penis.

(01:41:37):
That was my only goal. I didn't want to get
with a white woman because I was scared she might
have me running down the street like Jonathan. Not because
I didn't like white women. I think white women are
as great as any other women. But I'm not gonna
act like I'm not scared of them. I have a
reason to be scared. You could be King the Conqueror

(01:41:58):
and they could take your rebit ass down in two weekends.
And that's the truth of the matter. So I say
it away from that. And remember I told you the
drug story from when I'm in the park. Yeah, so
these are just the things. I had all of those
when I came in. I already was ready for that.
That's what they don't like.

Speaker 3 (01:42:18):
I did not know. You're telling me and showing me
a side of the business that I didn't know that
you guys a man. The competition, the competitiveness.

Speaker 1 (01:42:30):
That's all business. I don't care if they're selling coke.
You wouldn't believe the things that Coca Cola says about PEPSI.
You wouldn't believe the water conversations between the sani and
liquid death. Like in all business, in all sport, competition

(01:42:51):
is a driving force. I don't require anybody to be better?
Who am I? I just require if you're a loser
and you've taken shortcuts at every chance, and you've made
sure that you didn't put anybody on that really had
a work ethic and was a god fearing person and
you helped it. If that was never you, then don't

(01:43:14):
act like that's you don't get out here now that
you don't do stand up and start acting like, oh,
you're not sure why you don't do stand up no more?
I heard you got run off. You better be careful.
The nigga that run you off gonna show up and
he gonna tell everybody, I mean what You're gonna be
able to say nothing? Why you think I speak with
such clarity? I'm actually involved in each one of these

(01:43:36):
stories I told you about, right right.

Speaker 3 (01:43:44):
The one comedian we've been sitting here doing this interview
that you're holding very high regardless, Dave Chapelle. Dave Chapelle
walked away from fifty million. You said it was more
tell the story.

Speaker 1 (01:43:54):
That's right, You don't know want you to tell You
really are the best. You're proving it here today. As
much as I'm proving it. You proven it.

Speaker 4 (01:44:03):
You proven it.

Speaker 1 (01:44:05):
Yeah, that wasn't the thing. It wasn't. People say that
he lost fifty million dollars. No, No, that's not even
close to what happened to this dude. And until you
understand what happened to the dude, you don't understand what happened.
Like no, not. They offered him fifty million, and he
turned it down. Who's gonna turn down fifty million? Now
I've had to turn down fifty million dollars four times,

(01:44:28):
four times just to protect my integrity and that virgin hole.
I was telling you about it, right, because he did.
He be wanting a party, and you gotta tell him no,
you got to tell him no, I did. I did.
See I got the receipt for everything I'm telling you.
That's why I can say I'm here get your thank

(01:44:49):
you because early on you was accusing me. Then can man.

Speaker 4 (01:44:57):
It's crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:44:58):
I mean, but you know some of these people.

Speaker 1 (01:45:00):
Martin tried to put me in my first dress when
he had to go on this hiatus. He tell me, Kat,
when I come back, I need you. You're my young partner.
You're my brother in comedy. When I come back. Just
promise me that my next movie it'll be me and you.
We gonna do it together. We're gonna do some Boddy
cop shit. I said, Martin, you got my motherfucking word,

(01:45:20):
My nigga, go do what you gotta do when you
come back.

Speaker 4 (01:45:22):
I'm in your movie. Don't trip. I don't need to
see the script or nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:45:26):
You know. We get in that office and this food
pull out Big Mama's house too. I almost died, and
I gotta read this script from all these good white
people where there's nigga want me to get an a
dress with him? And I'm literally saying, everybody, why is
he in a dress again? You already played the old

(01:45:48):
lady as a FBI agent. We can play anything now,
we can be playing a dog catcher this time. Why
do we need to be in a dress? And I
get so mad, I say, you don't want me, you
won't And in t Jackson, and that's who they went
and got twice. I said that they win't got him.
Just like I'm telling you, I had the other dudes work.
I had all of it. All I did was say,

(01:46:09):
I want to punch it up so it's not offensive
to real niggas.

Speaker 4 (01:46:12):
And that's how I got in this position.

Speaker 3 (01:46:19):
I sure hope I have a club after this year.

Speaker 1 (01:46:23):
It's gonna be in the dimension that's never been the
greatest thing floating, no way, in a in a whole
different realm of business, Oprah coming next. Once I established
this as a place of truth. Oh yeah, watch watch

(01:46:48):
God's people. Ain't that few?

Speaker 3 (01:46:51):
Prince you met?

Speaker 4 (01:46:53):
Prince Prison was a friend of mine. He was a
friend of mine.

Speaker 3 (01:46:58):
What was those conversations because he I mean, sometimes we
don't really understand or appreciate someone until they're gone. I did.
I was a big prince man all this stuff because
he could play all the instruments, he could sing, he
could he was an entertainer. Yeah that could see and
what he wrote. I mean, who thinks of cherry moves?
Who thinks it snows in April? Who had a raspberry

(01:47:20):
bearet or pink cashmere? The thing the purple rain, the
things that he wrote about, like bro who mine goes there?

Speaker 1 (01:47:32):
Yeah, he was.

Speaker 4 (01:47:35):
He was like any unlike anybody in the world.

Speaker 1 (01:47:40):
He was. He was just an amazing individual. I was
able to meet him when I was twelve, and I
knew him my entire life through all of his changes.
I was able to assist him many times. If you
go look at Prince's car collection, you'll see that Prince
don't have not one cart Williams ain't got. He got

(01:48:02):
the Prowler from Friday after next and now he got
the same Bentley as me, like because we share certain things.
Our connection was lyrics, musical lyrics, women and cars, and
that's those are the areas where he trusted.

Speaker 4 (01:48:20):
My opinion on things.

Speaker 1 (01:48:22):
And that's where I got to be helpful in his life.
And he was helpful in mind in really all different
types of ways, especially about the business as far as
being a black man that was rich in this business
at eighteen years old, had already did his first million
dollar contract, had already broken records, was determined that he

(01:48:42):
didn't want to be like anybody else. Was so great
of a guitar player that black people just stopped caring
about guitar, and he got left out on a limb
and somehow still had to create his way out of that.
He was just really a one in a billion type person.
I look at it on.

Speaker 3 (01:49:02):
Now they're specials and the streaming, I don't know. I
don't think there's as many that there's no DVDs now,
So where are you on this? The streaming, the specials?
I mean obviously you still tour, but how much do
you focus on Okay, I'm a tour, say one hundred
days or one hundred and fifty days, but I'm gonna

(01:49:24):
do a special.

Speaker 1 (01:49:27):
Well, now that our relationship with Netflix is at the
eight figure mark?

Speaker 3 (01:49:35):
Eight? How eight?

Speaker 1 (01:49:38):
How often you want to make them?

Speaker 3 (01:49:39):
You said eight? I mean like like five, six.

Speaker 1 (01:49:42):
Seven, eight, gotta be ten million to qualify. Yeah, So
what I'm saying is, once you're at that level, I mean,
what'd you do? I'd be willing to bet you say
anytime you turn around, I'm gonna be doing another one.
And I think that's what you would say if you
was any good, like I said, like I said, with
twelve comedy specials, why do I need to be in

(01:50:04):
these conversations with these specialist people saying it ain't got
no special You remember Steve ain't got no specials. You
remember Ricky ain't got no special You remember fash ain't
got no what? So why do you are Yep? It
was twenty minutes long. It were good too, though it
was He's good, not it was good. Hey, he's good.

(01:50:27):
Don't think because I said something a derogatory that I don't.
I don't know how to hate. Earthquake has consistently. I
don't think anybody's ever said quake wasn't funny. He probably
never been booed. I don't think. I don't think he's
ever given a bad performance. But but but his just

(01:50:53):
due was overdue. He was in a whole different situation. Yeah,
because he wasn't able to translate the stand up to
the movie the TV. He took a hit. Most people
don't take a hit. They're just judged on their stand up.
So yeah, no, I I even though it sounds like
there's a lot of people, I don't, that's not the case.

(01:51:15):
I am. I'm a proponent of all of us who
are in this business, working hard, trying to make it.

Speaker 3 (01:51:21):
When you got in a stand up, was crossing over,
was doing TV, was doing movie was that? Was that
a part of it? You're like, okay, I'm gonna do
I'm doing stand up Okay, next next, the next progression is.

Speaker 1 (01:51:32):
TV movies throughout throughout the history of stand up, sir.
That's that's the goal for all of us. That's how
it goes. That's why when you hear these dudes talking about,
oh I didn't want to be a movie star, you
just know it's disingenuous, like we talking about dude, Yeah, old, no, Now,
I just wanted to do a game show. What you sure?

(01:51:56):
Are you sure? Because I thought you did Mark Curry's
show over after he had just done hanging with mister Cooper.
Why would you do all of that man stuff that
he did on his show on yours and then do
the dude stand up when you go on the road
and then you never put Mark Curry on your show

(01:52:16):
or nothing. Like. If you don't say anything, these dudes
will run over you.

Speaker 4 (01:52:21):
I don't know if you know how bullies operate.

Speaker 3 (01:52:23):
I do.

Speaker 1 (01:52:24):
If you don't stand up for yourself, there really is
nothing they won't do.

Speaker 3 (01:52:28):
Right. You're a very generous man, cat you you were
the sole sponsor of Melbourne Moore getting star in the
Hollywood Walk of Fame. You you did all that on
your own. Why what do you have a personal relationship
with Melbourne? No?

Speaker 4 (01:52:44):
No I.

Speaker 1 (01:52:48):
I understood that she was a black woman in a
time where it mattered what you look like, and they
had a certain thing that they needed you to look
like and act like in order to be successful, and
she just never did that.

Speaker 4 (01:53:04):
She wasn't tall enough, she wasn't fine.

Speaker 1 (01:53:08):
They didn't like her look, they didn't like that her
hair was natural, They talked crazy about her, and yet
she still made all of these achievements. And I'm like, understand,
I'm already in the Comedy Hall of Fame. I'm already
going to heaven no matter what happens, if it ends

(01:53:29):
in a second, I'm up there. So it gives me
the leeway to do some things that are simply because
it's the right thing to do. So the truth of
the matter is they wanted to give me a start, but.

Speaker 4 (01:53:46):
Please don't consider me. And this person been sitting.

Speaker 1 (01:53:49):
On this list this whole time, and just because they
ain't got enough money they can't get they just do
That's crazy. When do you start? That's hurtful? What if
somebody can't afford that flowers, you mean they don't get them.

Speaker 4 (01:54:01):
No, God dom operate like that.

Speaker 1 (01:54:03):
He was saying, a dummy like me to come and
take care of that, just so that the right thing happens.
That's how the universe works. But because remember, I don't
what I'm not spending my money on. I'm not spending
my money on strippers. I ain't spending them on drugs.
Like because if I go in, if I go in
to strip club, I'm only trying to get her out

(01:54:25):
of there. Yeah, I have no intention of her or
any other people being in this position. If I see
a girl I like, get the strip club. I'm telling it.
You know, you don't have to strip no more after this.
This could be your last day. How about that? What
would it be like just to leave it all?

Speaker 4 (01:54:46):
You ain't gotta be I don't know more.

Speaker 3 (01:54:50):
I don't even want you to go get your first
leave it and we getting new ID. We getting new
ID in critical and so security card.

Speaker 1 (01:54:55):
We don't need none of that. This life don't look
good on you. You don't even look like a drug addict.
Here these athletes talking about Yeah, we was out there tricking.
What why you're part of the problem. You're part of
the problem. Stop paying people that you don't have no

(01:55:19):
respect for. It sets it up bad for us. We
got women out here can't find a man because they're
acting like him. You an outpa. Now the alphas all
want these subservient husbands. You can't have one. Bang, it

(01:55:40):
ain't gonna happen. Sorry about that. Okay, go ahead, boy?
You done got me canceled? How many times in this program?
Where's the camera? I didn't write nothing, I said tonight.
It's all been on these Q cards and keep reading them.
Ask your next question.

Speaker 3 (01:56:01):
The Migos, do you have them get out of financial situation?

Speaker 1 (01:56:12):
I don't think we ever as a nation can remember
a time that the Migos were financially unsuccessful. So for
the record, I would assume that they've never needed Kat
Williams financial assistance for anything. I'm sure that between QC,
the label, and other things, they were taken care of.
On the other hand, if I was given the opportunity

(01:56:34):
to help them what I help, of course I would.
That's what I do. I'm I'm a pro black, non racist,
Like I really really love black people, but I don't
love them more than other people. I love everybody. I
just I'm a black guy, and I try to stick
with that. But yeah, I'm not one of those pillow

(01:56:57):
talkers either. Like when I do something good, I'm really
not doing it for the ground. It's not it's not
for it's not for any of that. I'm just doing
it because it's good to do.

Speaker 3 (01:57:08):
I appreciate that I've read. I don't know if this
is true, but I did read that comedians on your
show say that women sometimes would bring them money and
not say where it came from. Say that again, comedians
would say women would bring them money and not say
where it came from.

Speaker 1 (01:57:31):
Right, So I'm not a feminist like a feminist would be,
but I do believe that there are no there that
in my camp, Like if I had thirty five people
in my camp, right, I believe that other than four jobs,
I believe that a woman is better at any of

(01:57:51):
them jobs than any man could be. Okay, so ten
of these jobs no man can work because I'd rather
a female be there. If I got a sme tell
anybody's breath, I want it to be hers.

Speaker 4 (01:58:02):
I don't want none of you, krusty.

Speaker 1 (01:58:05):
So what I'm saying is in a staffing issue, I'm
gonna have seventy five percent women just because I prefer them.
I don't prefer to hear two guys talking in the corner.
I prefer to hear two ladies talking in the corner.

Speaker 4 (01:58:18):
I don't care what they're talking about. I just prefer that.

Speaker 1 (01:58:21):
So a lot of times I will utilize ladies to
convey a message. If a comedian is doing a great
job somewhere in the country, he just did a masterful set,
and nobody's gonna pay him. They just clapping it, and
I know he's broke as shit back there. Wouldn't it

(01:58:43):
be nice if somebody just showed up and gave him
a little blessing and he didn't have to suck me
off for it, And thanks, kat boy, I really needed it.
Why would you do that? If you was actually just
trying to help people, you would people know. That's how
I pay my tithes. If I got paid one hundred
thousand dollars to be at your city, I'm gonna take

(01:59:07):
ten thousand of that and put it in your homeless
area now because I got to, because you gave me
a hundred racks to come to your little RinkyDink town.
Who would I be to not pay my times back
to your town? That's how I got in this position.

Speaker 3 (01:59:24):
Wow, you adopted seven kids. Why that's a lot of
kids for a man that's as busy as you are,
travels as much as you do on the road, as
much as you are, spend a lot of time. Because
you have to spend a lot. I mean, it's not easy.
I mean maybe it comes just so comes so natural

(01:59:46):
to you to put pen the paper and to write
things down and be able to go out there and
perform a set. But that's a lot of responsibility. Cat, right, right?

Speaker 1 (01:59:57):
But if there was a God, well would he think
about you if you did that? I'm saying, let's just
let's say, for example, that God is real, okay, and
let's say he'd be looking at what you do. Yes, Well,
what he say if you did that?

Speaker 3 (02:00:15):
He said that? Cat, That's that's a very that's a
very congesture. That's very genous of you.

Speaker 1 (02:00:24):
My whole life, since I was telling you, when I
was young and they was asking me what I wanted
to be, and nothing I wanted to be was what
I wanted to be God's friend. That's a weird thing.
If you atheists, if you a thisist, I didn't even
say nothing. But if you believe in God, and I
tell you that I wanted to be God's friend and
I wanted to even go to Hollywood and still be

(02:00:45):
God's friend. If I told you that that was my aim,
you can understand where I'm at. Like I promise you
no jealousy, no bitterness or none of that. I got
exactly what I was trying to get. I haven't been
shortened in anyway.

Speaker 3 (02:01:03):
I mean, seven eight kids single, you get married.

Speaker 1 (02:01:07):
You remember the conversation where I was where it was me, yes,
and I didn't know what was gonna happen to my
two little brothers, and it was just gonna be out there.

Speaker 3 (02:01:16):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (02:01:19):
So when it gone full circle and I'm one of
the I'm one of the richest men that ever lived.
And I don't I don't. I don't mean please don't
look at my net worth. I saw my networth. I
had that on me. I wan of God. What I'm

(02:01:43):
saying is like I'm saying, my network is less than
my last Netflix. There you understand what I'm telling you,
But I'm fine. Jesus was poor Jesus had nothing, So

(02:02:03):
why don't we be mad? You say I don't have nothing.

Speaker 3 (02:02:05):
They have the minute they have back then.

Speaker 1 (02:02:06):
Okay, say it again.

Speaker 3 (02:02:08):
We got different minutes now.

Speaker 1 (02:02:10):
Not more than gold. Gold was the amenity of that time.
We still got gold. The coals still run it.

Speaker 3 (02:02:17):
They have they gotta you could buy, you could buy ass.
That's what they call it. A biblicult. Time they were cheap.

Speaker 1 (02:02:31):
I'm saying, if you really wanted to say, I'm saying,
a color now is cheap. So back in the day,
I would get my girl a donkey. Today would get
her a color now. But I'm saying whoever, I'm saying,
whoever and whatever it is I'm saying, I'm saying because
what we gonna do I done already told you. I'm
want of the richest people that ever lived, only in

(02:02:53):
the fact that when I wake up in the morning,
no matter where I am, I don't need nothing. Whatever
I need is right around me. Whatever I don't have,
it's only just because I don't have it. It's not
because I can't get it. All I gotta do is
want it and it belongs to me. So because of that,
because I'm favored by God, like when I see people's

(02:03:14):
wives and stuff, I don't even look at them, you
know what I mean, Like, I don't want to look
at nothing I don't want to have because I know
how blessed I am. If I look at it, I
got it. That's how did he be feeling.

Speaker 3 (02:03:32):
So you're not supposed to look at anything that you
don't want.

Speaker 1 (02:03:36):
Not me personally, just because God has given me literally
everything I ever even pump faked like I want.

Speaker 4 (02:03:45):
And that's the whole thing.

Speaker 1 (02:03:46):
That's that's the whole thing is I don't I don't
have a type of woman. Every woman that I ever
had as a type, I ended up getting her. Now
she's not the type anymore. Now I understand that every
woman is one of one, Like you can't really have types.
M h what because see how you trying to ask

(02:04:09):
you about marriage? Yeah you did. When you rewind the table,
you let it out. You was like, so you ever
gonna get married? And then you took it back. It's okay,
it's okay. I wasn't known as a phonographic memory, are you.
I'm not against it. Like most people that are not married,
it's because they're afraid of commitment. It's not that like that.
For me, it's just the whole time I wanted to

(02:04:31):
be married, I had kids, so I had to try
to fill my wife's place before she got there. So
I've already got kids without a mother. But so now
I gotta be doing laundry. I'm I'm washing dishes, I'm
reading stories, I'm having a nurture. I'm having to do
all of this. And I got to the point where
I didn't need the wife. I'm doing it and we're

(02:04:55):
doing it, and I'm not replacing a woman in their lives.
I'm letting them see that that's just the only thing
that we don't have. And it was easier for me
to do that because you have to understand that all
of the kids I'm raising at this point, they have fathers,

(02:05:15):
you see, they have a mother.

Speaker 3 (02:05:17):
You see.

Speaker 1 (02:05:18):
I'm a different person I'm raising you, and so that
needs to be done with the other respect for the
others that put work in as well. So, yeah, I
never had a problem getting married.

Speaker 3 (02:05:34):
What's one of the one things you try to teach
your kids.

Speaker 1 (02:05:38):
I don't teach anybody anything that's over eighteen. I've done
the work I was going to do. But as kids,
I really just tried to teach the things that can
be bought, your integrity, trying to live your life in
a way that you yourself could be proud of if

(02:05:59):
you had to look back on it. And I didn't
do very good at leading by example, but behind the scenes,
I was that's never what I was pushing. They understood
that because of my stance, there was a certain thing

(02:06:21):
that would come my way. And so accountability and responsibility
is part of what you're teaching, is that you know,
even if you're doing the greatest thing in the world,
there's this thing called no good deed Gods unpunished, Like
there's a real Murphy's law. Like basically, in raising kids,

(02:06:41):
you're just trying to give them a better manual and
an outline of how life works. Then your parents gave you,
you know, and so that's how I did it.

Speaker 3 (02:06:57):
How do you avoid toxic women? Give me? Give me?
I mean, because obviously you know you like women.

Speaker 1 (02:07:05):
I do, and I probably like toxic ones more than anybody.
That's because them. Because toxic women are exciting, and that's
just a fact. Part of toxicity is exciting. I'd rather
sky dive with her. But if you have toxic women.
Just understand that all monsters are feeding off of something,

(02:07:30):
and if you find out what this toxic woman is
feeding off of, you can just begin to turn off
her feeding points. And it drives a toxic person crazy
and they'll get away from you. So whatever, if she's
truly toxic, there are certain things that she's doing that
help fuel her toxicity. You're not noticing it, but it's

(02:07:53):
what it is. Why do you think she watches murder
mystery as for she goes to sleep? Why is it
always the crime drama play and turn it off? Turn
it to cartoons. No, you don't get to what's she
listening to? You gotta be listening to sexy Red. You're broke.

(02:08:24):
Toxic people are trying to get things. They're not being
toxic for no reason. They're gaining something out of how
they operate. That's why they operate like that, because they
get something. As soon as you find that out, you'll
be able to cut off what they get and they
will leave.

Speaker 3 (02:08:40):
Yeah, you were married once?

Speaker 1 (02:08:45):
Never? You were married never in life?

Speaker 3 (02:08:48):
So would you have a cohabitation agreement? Never?

Speaker 1 (02:08:52):
How How could I be a single parent and be married?

Speaker 3 (02:08:55):
You could? But you know there are people that like,
were married and then they get divorced and then they
become single parents. That's how they wanted.

Speaker 1 (02:09:04):
Yeah, but a person who's never been married means he's
never been married.

Speaker 3 (02:09:07):
Okay, I'm gonna take you word for it.

Speaker 1 (02:09:11):
Why would you need to take my word for it?
Hold on?

Speaker 3 (02:09:13):
Hold on?

Speaker 1 (02:09:13):
If I had been married, woun't that somebody had said
who she was?

Speaker 3 (02:09:16):
No, it might have been a long time ago.

Speaker 1 (02:09:19):
No, I've never not been famous, sir. I've just I
just I just worked a story out to you. I
don't have no end mysteries in my life. That was Jesus.
I don't have no parents in my life where it's
unaccounted for. No. No, No, that person that said that
was a liar. I got a case right now in La.
This lady says she was my assistant for fourteen years,

(02:09:41):
and I heard her something like that, I never worked
for me, not day in my life. Liars lie because
they want to, But people always say, why would they lie? No,
there are several women have said they was married to me.
It's just when it went to court they had to
say I was married to him spiritually. You shut up?

(02:10:03):
How you gonna be married to me? And my kids
don't know. You answer me that, So do.

Speaker 3 (02:10:09):
You have a problem. Do you have a problem bringing
women around your kids?

Speaker 1 (02:10:15):
No, not then or now. I've always lived with several women,
like I'm.

Speaker 3 (02:10:23):
Known several, like more than one.

Speaker 1 (02:10:26):
I've already told you that I prefer the company of
women company of men. So if I told you that
me and a couple of dudes on my staff sometimes
have to cohabitate, nobody finds a problem with that. Yeah,
so it's me and three ladies cohabitating, because that's how
the business gets done. Like I don't want a chef

(02:10:48):
that scratches his nuts for it, cause I don't like,
no disrespect to these guys that go around with these
large male only groupings. But that's not my episode of entourage.

Speaker 3 (02:11:07):
You approached, You were approached by seven gunment. You robbed,
shot in the thigh, said again, you robbed once? Correct? No,
you didn't get robbed. You didn't. You didn't get approached
by gunment, tried to get robbed. They didn't take anything.

Speaker 1 (02:11:21):
I wasn't even the I wasn't even the target. I
wasn't even who they were talking to. And not because
I say that, because if you look at what time
period it is. I'm not even making five thousand a year,
so robbing me wasn't mansw This is before Oklahoma. If

(02:11:42):
you talking about a terrible condition, they'd have been disappointed
thinking they get some more.

Speaker 3 (02:11:51):
Eha.

Speaker 1 (02:11:53):
Look in three cities there is legendary that Kat Williams
would walk down streets where his baby and a baby
stroller with a diaper bag, with a gun in a
diaper bag. The only thing I need is a pass.
Don't mess with me and just let me go about
my business. I'm living in Inglewood, Compton, I'm living on

(02:12:14):
Manchester and Western. I'm in La the gang capital of
the world. But never robbed because why, I'm not pretending
to be something I'm not. You think I'm a blood,
you think I'm a crip. I'm from Ohio, I'm a comedian,
I'm a father. Right, I'm trying to do something out here,

(02:12:35):
and not only do I not judge what you're doing,
I'm not trying to be involved. Right, That's the difference.
That's where the respect comes from.

Speaker 3 (02:12:44):
To your touring. Right Now Dark Matters The Dark Matter
Tour filming next Netflix special.

Speaker 1 (02:12:51):
In May May. Yep next Now, oh YouTube.

Speaker 3 (02:12:55):
Theaed in Inglewood. I'm about to catch that.

Speaker 6 (02:12:58):
I thought you might say that I will catch that
one right, because it's a homecoming for me because I
lived on I lived on Hazel, so you know, people
don't know I lived in.

Speaker 4 (02:13:08):
The heart of Inglewood.

Speaker 1 (02:13:10):
They saw me walk down Market Street with the babies.
I'm raising like they understood that. No, no, no, I was
really not pretending, Oh you want to be from the hood. No,
I'm living there on the street.

Speaker 3 (02:13:22):
What's your favorite city of the toury.

Speaker 1 (02:13:27):
The next one, sir? Yeah, that's the that's the real
beauty of travel, right. That's why most people don't have
the empathy and the sympathy that they need to have
for other people. It's because they haven't seen other people.
Like if you went to Ireland and you saw with
them people it was like and you went to Sweden

(02:13:49):
and saw them people, it was like if you really
went to Africa and you really saw what the people
was like, you went to Hay, you went to Puerto Rico,
if you really traveled across the country, you would see
that all people is the same way. More people that's
good than the fucked up individuals you see. And if

(02:14:10):
you understood that it would change everything. So I don't.
I don't have any favorites in the world, just because
every place is dealing with their own issues, their own troubles.
All places look better than they actually are for the
people that live there. And it's always the difference between

(02:14:31):
what it seems like and what it is like. People
will tell you I went to Paris, I was there
the Eifful Tower, that you had been books and there,
her rints everywhere, and the food was terrible. Tell the
rest of it.

Speaker 3 (02:14:45):
Don't tell some lemonship question when you go When you
go to these cities to tour, do you make it
a habit of getting out?

Speaker 1 (02:14:52):
That's how I built my reputation. It's also how I
ended up in jail nineteen times, because when I come
to do a show, I'm really in your city. So
whatever the strip clubs, I'm there, whatever the top bar is,
I was there drinking, whatever the I was. You got
a casino, how was at it? Like? What was it? Huh?
Because I'm at your city. This is how I'm learning

(02:15:15):
your city, so that when I do my show, I
can be talking about what I know, not what I think. Right,
And so that was what I did at every city
that I went to, the first fifteen minutes of my
show is what it's like to be here. You see
what I'm saying, And so that was always a part
of what kept my legend going to the point where

(02:15:36):
I can still be in these arenas without you ever
seeing a poster with my picture on it, without you
ever seeing a flyer, without you ever seeing a poster goes, Hey,
it's Kat. Could y'all make sure y'all come out and
come see me, because I'm gonna be in Would you
please come on now? I guess I really because we

(02:15:58):
have a different respect. I know I'm coming, they know
I'm coming, I know they gonna be there, and they
know I'm gonna do the best job I can possibly do,
And they know, beyond the shadow of a doubt, whatever
hour he was doing when we last saw him, he
won't be doing that hour when we see him this time.

(02:16:20):
It's a whole new conversation. And because I've never strayed
from that, they've never strayed from their part.

Speaker 3 (02:16:28):
I'm looking at some of the actors that you've been
on screen with, Q Tracy Morgan, Regina Hall, Terrence Howard
days look Nick Cannon, I mean Tiffany, I mean bro
who brings out the best in Cat william How does
someone get the best out of Cat William Do you
need a comedian? Do you need a serious actor? How
do we get the absolute best out of Cat Williams

(02:16:50):
on screen?

Speaker 1 (02:16:54):
Well? I would be disingenuous if I didn't remind us
that that's never anybody's going Oh, it's never anybody's goal
to create a great situation for me to do a
good job. Why in a script, The way it works
is the script is already there. This is a character
in the script. If they give me the job, I

(02:17:14):
make it my job that this character here, this character here,
has to be as big as this whole project. So
if you don't even see the movie School Dance, I
want you to remember Who's God damn white baby is this?
And the only way that I can guarantee that you

(02:17:35):
will remember my scene if you didn't remember a whole movie,
is if I make sure that my scenes are that good,
because that's what I watched. I watched great actors. You
never saw the Narrow, you never saw Peshi, You never
saw any of these dudes, and something you was like, nah,
I don't really believe it. You sure you're in the

(02:17:56):
Great Gatsman, Like, no, like you believe that this dude
Daniel is a hobbit. That's part of the Lord of
the Rings, right, You see what I'm saying. And so
I it's having a respect for the craft that I'm doing.
That means got trying to do the best job possible.

Speaker 3 (02:18:16):
What was it like working with Spike Lee doing Priceless?

Speaker 1 (02:18:23):
Spike Lee is everything that you said I was in
my intro. He's just really an innovator and a groundbreaking,
one of a kind dynamo. And I knew that they were,
like they tried to sabotage me even then, Like as
soon as I said I wanted to get Spike Lee

(02:18:43):
to direct it because that was the biggest thing I
could do, they immediately gave Spike to Jerrug Carmichael and
had him do his special too at the Comedy Store,
and just to undermine Like, but I if there's one
thing and you can take away from me as a person,
whether you like me or you don't, if you take

(02:19:04):
this from me, you will be a better person. If
you decide today that you're gonna live every day like
it's your last for real, which means have a conversation
with yourself every night that okay, that was it may
not be no more after that, and really count yourself
every day like this could have been it all right

(02:19:25):
before I go to bed, this could be it? All right?
How's that looking? If you can do that, it'll change
your life. You really start making decisions and living your
life like this all you got just this one day.
But you could be a winner. You could be a
winner on this day. It just it's just work ethic
and not the work ethic they talk about. They tell

(02:19:47):
you work ethic where they do all these movies. I'm
the hardest working man. No, everybody goes to work every day. Yeah,
saying I'll go to work all the time. Everybody who
works goes to work every day. Shut up, Shut up?
You get what you think. I respect you more than
my gardener. I don't.

Speaker 4 (02:20:06):
I don't he work every day.

Speaker 1 (02:20:09):
Raina Shine.

Speaker 3 (02:20:10):
I don't know if you saw this, but Taraji p
Henson got extremely emotional the other day. She was given
an interview, yes and saying that they're vastly underpaid. They
say the math is not mathing. They get X amount
of dollars by the time Uncle Sam get his cut,
by the time the agency get their cut, and what
you see they were supposed to get it's a fraction

(02:20:31):
of that. Where do you come down on that cat?

Speaker 1 (02:20:36):
It was the saddest thing ever, because imagine imagine being
in your genre and your subniche, whatever it is. Imagine
being in your lane. Imagine being one of the very
top of your lane. That to the point where if
they don't take you for the role, there's not three
black actresses that they can say are bigger than you,

(02:20:56):
that we're gonna give this to. Imagine you being at
that point. I have to humble yourself and say they're
not paying me, y'all, and they not making my pay
go up because I'm doing better or nothing. It don't
matter to them that I'm famous and people know me
or nothing. They want to pay me exactly what they
paying the new girl. And I've been suffering under it

(02:21:18):
for a decade now and just taking it. I've just
been getting whooped. But I just gotta come say this
is wrong. Ah, we should be ashamed. But this is
a country where we don't pay the teachers, and then
we say the kids is the most important thing. You

(02:21:39):
can't have both of them. If you do that, we're
gonna end up with a generation that can't read. Guess
what Generation Z and A can't read? Why? Because who
was giving them a book? We got lied bad or
phone and now the letters don't mean there's no cursive writing.
Sorry about that. So yeah, this is what period of
time it's in. It's the period where the victims get

(02:22:01):
to say they've been hurting me for a long time
and I just ain't said nothing because I was trying
to be strong and I didn't want to shame anybody.
When our people call out for help, we gotta understand,
you know what I mean? Like that, like we put
too much pressure on Tyler Perry, you know what I mean?

(02:22:21):
He ain't putting nobody on the people that been in
his productions. They not famous, all of them could walk
through them all without security. Be what you're gonna be.
But put your people on. If you a gay person
and you in there, put some other gay people on.
Put somebody on or don't be wondering why people keep

(02:22:43):
saying gatekeepers, because clearly y'all keeping these gates clearly wild'n out.

Speaker 3 (02:22:51):
How difficult was it for Nick Kennen to get you
on and what what was that? Really? What was that experience?

Speaker 1 (02:22:57):
Like I'd known Cannon since he was a teenager. He
had to have his in the comedy club. If you're
under age, you can't be in the regular club. You
had to be in the kitchen. So I was the
master of the kitchen every comedy place because I got
a child, and my child is back here in this
place while I go on stage. So I've known Nick

(02:23:19):
Cannon since he was fourteen. Nick Cannon has never called
and asked me to do one single thing, and I
turned him down because I've known him since he was
a young black child in Hollywood.

Speaker 3 (02:23:32):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (02:23:32):
So what I did in while'n Out was to be
his protector and to be his voice with hip hop.
So the whole thing was the thing that he was
trying to do had never been done before. You can't
bring six comics in un lets six comics talk shit
about six rappers because the six rappers will.

Speaker 4 (02:23:54):
Beat the six comics ass.

Speaker 1 (02:23:56):
You would have to have a comic that could actually
stand him between and go, look, we comics, we gonna say, well,
we gonna say, y'all gonna take it, and understand it's
a joke. If you want to fight, we fight before
the show, so you can go out there with your
black eye. We're not gonna do it comedically. This is

(02:24:21):
what needed to take place in order to be for
it to be successful, which is why it had already
aired and didn't work, and then suddenly when it comes
back with me, it suddenly works because respect has to
be in there as well. If you're trying to do
it with Kevin Hart, you and him gonna get run over.
You you're a teenager. He five too, Like, what's gonna happen?

Speaker 3 (02:24:48):
Who are some of your favorite young comedians?

Speaker 1 (02:24:52):
I don't I haven't seen a young comedian. I don't
like if you name any of the young comedians. I'm
aware of all of them, and they're all doing a
great job. It doesn't matter if it's Country Wayne or
Desi Banks. It doesn't matter if it's Carlos or Chico.
It doesn't matter if it's DC or just hilarious. It

(02:25:15):
really doesn't. It really doesn't matter. Once we go to
the young part. The young comedians are dealing with things
that we never dealt with, and so that gives them
more benefits. But it also gives them more chances of failure,
so it's not easier for them. So yeah, I'm a

(02:25:37):
big supporter of young comics. We have missed Pretty Ricky
and Takarl Williams. I've taken twenty five black women on
the road.

Speaker 4 (02:25:50):
In these tours.

Speaker 1 (02:25:51):
It's important to me that the young comic gets the
benefits and the advantages of the big comics platform.

Speaker 3 (02:26:01):
Matt Rife, wild'n Out recently got canceled. You see Jonathan Major,
what he went through. Marble dropped him as soon as
they're guilty, the conviction came out, and you were telling
the day you.

Speaker 1 (02:26:13):
Saw that black woman come get his charge cutting half,
thank you making good God, bless you coming to save
that sleeve. If he'd had to be there by himself,
he was getting awful, guilty, guilty gift she came in
that was just so beautiful that to knock half of
it off, bless It's hard.

Speaker 3 (02:26:34):
So Matt Rife, you know you know him from wildern Out,
he gets canceled for a time, trying to tell.

Speaker 1 (02:26:39):
It, I never knew him from wilding Out, to be honest,
I came across him as a new comic. Okay, and yeah,
I'm really just trying to see the comics judge where
they are seed.

Speaker 4 (02:26:49):
Yeah, right, go ahead.

Speaker 3 (02:26:51):
So the canceling, Uh, what do you think about this
cancel culture? You see the situation with Jonathan Major, I mean,
for all sense and purposes, I don't know if maybe
he can bounce back in a couple of years, but man,
was he was hot. He was hot as he was cooking.
I mean, you see him in Creed, He's in the
Marble movies, and then just like that.

Speaker 1 (02:27:12):
Maybe I'm a conspiracy theory, but I thought Kat Williams
said anything time they make you into that position, part
of that contract is you do understand whenever we want
to take you down, we can right. Part of giving
you the world. First of all, they went around the
world for two years straight telling any women that would

(02:27:32):
listen that this was a good looking Negro says. When
when did y'all start liking a big news And when
did y'all like a little head and a big Joe
Win says, when they look like my daddy. When you
start liking my daddy, you like black people's features like that.
If this ugly nigga is good looking, then all niggas
is good looking. Anytime you see them telling you something

(02:27:55):
you can't believe, just understand it's a play and it
don't matter. You gonna know us play as soon as
they get in that position and think they's gonna tell
somebody something, you know you not, No, you're not. Marvel
will cancel you. So you won't be allowed to read
a comic book. What you talking about? Get out of here,

(02:28:17):
Get out of here, ugly boy. Yeah, they love fooling
the people.

Speaker 3 (02:28:23):
What's your relationship like with You'll? Now you're still close
with sure? Have you spoken to him and you talked
to him recently?

Speaker 1 (02:28:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (02:28:30):
He's doing good. Yeah he's uh.

Speaker 3 (02:28:35):
Man, Well you a friend? You friend for life with
Cat William.

Speaker 1 (02:28:38):
Yeah. Because the people that come to me are trying
to better their life. They're not trying to continue doing
what they have been doing. Okay, So when somebody comes
to me, male or female, it is in the auspices
that this is what I did, this is what I
used to do, This ain't what I want to do
no more, And I want to do something else. I'd

(02:29:00):
like it to go a different way. Okay, that's what
I offer. Yeah, So if you come to me under
those auspices. Then my loyalty is life long. Why would
it not be.

Speaker 3 (02:29:12):
Tory Lane? And Meg? What would your take on that?
Because I know you you got to take on everything.

Speaker 1 (02:29:16):
I guess it's a difficult position because somebody's not going
to tell the truth, and the truth has got to
be told in all circumstances. The truth has got to
be told. So if you don't want to say she
shot her, then you shot her and that's the end
of that.

Speaker 3 (02:29:37):
You said you never have you ever spent time in jail?

Speaker 1 (02:29:42):
Thirty times.

Speaker 3 (02:29:46):
When you was in there? What was going through your mind? Can?
What did?

Speaker 1 (02:29:49):
What?

Speaker 3 (02:29:49):
Did I mean? Some people like man have an opportunity
to reflect, and I was like, man, this ain't the
place for me. I ain't coming back here.

Speaker 1 (02:29:55):
When you so what I've never I've never been in jail,
and it was my decision to be there. If it's
dangerous to be in the hood and you have to
have a gun on you for protection, and it's either
be judged by six or I mean judge by twelve
or carried by six. I'm always gonna have my heater
on me. So if you wanna tell me that you're

(02:30:16):
gonna pull me over fifteen times looking for it. I'm
gonna tell you fifteen times, you're gonna find it. Unfortunately,
I smoke cigarettes and weed. If you catch me fifteen times,
fifteen times, I'm gonna have it on me. What do
you think I'm in jail thinking, Oh, I don't fuck

(02:30:36):
up now needs decisions. I'm not gonna protect my life
at all. When I get out of here. Fuck it.
Let them do what they want to do to me.

Speaker 4 (02:30:46):
No.

Speaker 1 (02:30:46):
No, When I'm in there, I'm fine, and I'm understanding
that I'm put here for a reason, and the people
that get joy off me being in here are really
gonna look stupid because I'm finna be free because you
gotta be setting this up. I'm never anywhere to get anything.
You don't know. I just made three hundred thousand dollars
in your city. That's why you think I might be

(02:31:07):
out here as a ne'er. Do well? You think he's
smoking w Yeah, he's got a medical license for it.
He needs it. It's his only medication. Do you mind
if he takes it? It helps him eat because he
does nineteen one hundred city tours flying across the line,

(02:31:27):
and so he doesn't get hungry. On the regular. He
doesn't get sleepy at night. He's gotta literally put hisself
to sleep. He's really gotta make itself eat. So this
marijuana helps him do both of those things.

Speaker 3 (02:31:41):
May I want to help you sleep? Oh yeah?

Speaker 1 (02:31:44):
Because remember, as a comedian, what you're doing is against
your natural timeline. Your natural timeline wouldn't be that you
would start your work day at eight o'clock PM and
then your work day is over at two thirty am.
That's a weird yes, right, So to tell your body
now that we're pumped up on endorphins, now let's go

(02:32:06):
to sleep at three.

Speaker 4 (02:32:08):
It don't work like that.

Speaker 1 (02:32:09):
Your body has to try to get a whole new schedule.
So you know, it suffered. But that's what works for me.
I consistently used it. I told people all across the country,
don't worry. This will be legal in our country. As
soon as they find out how to charge taxes for it.
We will be legal in this country. Do they view
me as some sort of visionary for my forwards?

Speaker 4 (02:32:31):
LEA, noep, you and drugs?

Speaker 1 (02:32:35):
That what hurt?

Speaker 3 (02:32:37):
Cap? But how have you been? I mean, bro? Every
time they try to put you down, they try to
put you to the back, put you bounce up, you
move right back to the front. Am you? I mean
you like a super Bowl. You just keep bouncing in
and you bounce higher.

Speaker 1 (02:32:51):
Trampoline skin is something that you ask God for. When
I watched you play football, you had it. There's some
people that there's really no such thing as hitting shining
Sharps so hard that he don't want to run the
ball the next play. Right, absolutely, And if that's your

(02:33:14):
only goal is to hit him so hard they he
don't want to beat him no more. You just out
of luck.

Speaker 3 (02:33:20):
Yeah, you're wasting your time.

Speaker 1 (02:33:22):
There's your coach can't help you. There ain't no pep
talk gonna help you. Don't matter about the uniform you chilling.
None of that matters. If it ever gets to mono
e mano, May the best man win. And if you've
been living your entire life trying to be the best
man that you can for yourself, then you should feel
great about those odds.

Speaker 3 (02:33:44):
What do you think about Kanye Rant? What's going on
with Kanye? From a distance, obviously I don't know how
well you know Kanye. I don't know if you've been
around Kanye. But from a distance, what are you suspects
going on?

Speaker 1 (02:33:58):
I suspect that we're pretty awful people. If we say
that somebody got a mental illness and then we watch
what they do. If you say somebody got special needs,
then why would you be watching them and holding them
accountable like everybody else. Wouldn't you grade them on a

(02:34:21):
curve when you go who this guy? Because I mean,
what are we reacting to? What are we're reacting to?
You're the one that put him in a position where
he thought he was God and could call itself yeavils?
And you're the one told the guy that writes musical

(02:34:42):
lyrics that he was a genius. You're the one that's like,
so what do you ain't expect? The guy married a whore?

Speaker 3 (02:34:50):
Like what?

Speaker 1 (02:34:53):
I didn't mean it like that. I mean married her
because she was one. Now he didn't know, he understood that,
he wanted that, He corded that that's what he wanted.
The basics.

Speaker 3 (02:35:09):
I know what you gonna say, don't you say a cat?
Don't you say it?

Speaker 1 (02:35:14):
What I'm saying is not correct. How does she end
up with Pete Davidson?

Speaker 3 (02:35:21):
I mean, it happens all and what if.

Speaker 1 (02:35:23):
You weren't even good enough for Pete and he leaves you.
What do that mean? The product was No. I don't
I don't support or villainize Kanye because I don't understand
what it is we want from him. I don't know
why we look at a basketball player and say he
didn't score no hockey goals this whole season. He don't

(02:35:47):
play hockey. Kanye, don't say nothing. I can't agree with Okay,
he was the weird guy in the beginning with the
pace sweaters. When we met him, like, what do you
think moving to a beat of your own? Drup this
This dude started a church and kept cussing. Nobody in

(02:36:10):
black church said nothing. You would have thought all the
pastors would have came. You can't be no gospel artists.
You just said, fuck that bitch. Nobody said nothing because
Tdj's over there with beat in it. Only the guy
you had here has been upfront and honest and a
man of God and humble and took the l's he

(02:36:32):
had to take and didn't.

Speaker 3 (02:36:34):
I did see it was trending, though, but I ain't no,
I don't don't, I ain't no way I care. I
don't let me go to this question right here.

Speaker 1 (02:36:44):
All people that love the truth gotta be happy if
the truth coming out and livees is getting exposed. That's
just what time it is. Twenty twenty four, folks.

Speaker 3 (02:36:51):
Are you related to Luda?

Speaker 1 (02:36:54):
No? So there was a crossroads where we were both
invited to an Illuminati thing and there had to be
one or the other of us and decisions had to
be made. So it was both of us, we were equal.
One of us had to cut off all their hair
and couldn't do the sideburned thing no more with the points.

(02:37:15):
And the next person they said was going to get
two hundred million dollars because they were gonna pay him
ten million a movie to do twenty movies. And that's
how the conversation happened. One of those persons turned out
to be ludicrous and the other person turned out to
be Kat Williams. Now one person ended up with a
light skinned, ugly faced wife. That's never done it. Remember

(02:37:37):
I told you that If I say that it applied
to seven pills, it's part of what they give you. Okay,
I didn't get it. I'm not mad about it. How
they give Sir fast infurious on his own what number
right now?

Speaker 3 (02:38:00):
I might give me one more women look to say.

Speaker 4 (02:38:04):
That's what they all end up saying at the end
of the day.

Speaker 1 (02:38:08):
Kevin told you it won't go wear no dress until
they offered him to dress, and then he put it on.
And what did he say after he wore I made
my own decision, dug. But you didn't make it before
they brought it up, did you? Okay? All right?

Speaker 3 (02:38:22):
You have a lot of politics.

Speaker 1 (02:38:25):
Never talk about it. I'm not that controversial.

Speaker 3 (02:38:31):
Where are we headed?

Speaker 1 (02:38:32):
Cat? This is sad. This. We've never been here before.
We've never been at the point where neither option is
good for us in real life. No, this is a
different conversation. This is would you rather go back with
your ex? Or would you rather go back with the
person before them? Both bad options? Like one guy, one

(02:38:56):
guy can barely put his sentences together, and the other
guy will put sentences together from whatever he's read or
whoever toldly like.

Speaker 3 (02:39:08):
But how do we do? How do we get here?
How do we get here?

Speaker 1 (02:39:12):
All division divides, There's no way around that. All division divides. Politics.
Even in the beginning, when our Constitution was drawing up
the two parties was not what they had in mind.
They always thought that it would be two main and
another independent party. They always assume the independent party would

(02:39:34):
be just as strong as the others.

Speaker 4 (02:39:39):
A lot of that just didn't happen.

Speaker 1 (02:39:40):
And that's what I've learned more from comedy is that
Republicans laugh at the exact same thing that Democrats laugh at.
As long as I'm talking to Democrats, I can make
them laugh for one hour straight about what Republicans do.
By the same token, I can go talk to Republicans

(02:40:01):
for one whole hour and have them dying about this
stuff that Democrats do. But at the end of the day,
who does that? Yeah, your team got an offense and
the defense. They're not supposed to be enemies. The enemy
is the other side. Wow, you can't do politics like that. Nope,

(02:40:22):
it's not good for the country man.

Speaker 3 (02:40:24):
You see this, Mark Zuckerberg building this two hundred and
seventy million dollar bunker.

Speaker 1 (02:40:28):
If you have a billion dollars, we have learned that
you can do whatever you want to do. When Eli
Musk wants to send space things in space, he don't
have to ask nobody's permission. Congress, don't meet Senate, don't
meet no police department, gotta be warned. He don't need
a permit, none of that. If you got a billion dollars,
you do what you want to do, and then you

(02:40:50):
tell them what you did, right, And that's how it goes.

Speaker 3 (02:40:52):
What he build you want to senty million dollar bunker?
What do you know that we don't look at.

Speaker 1 (02:40:58):
Kim Jong un? I don't know what you don't know?
Do you understand that people that are not very bright
are in charge of nuclear bombs all across the country.
That's what he knows. He knows that thirty percent of
all weapons systems are running off regular Wi Fi. So

(02:41:23):
what does that mean? That means if a solar flare
or a meteor hits either one of those, literally a
bomb can go off just because the system accidentally got
turned off. Yeah, that's what he knows. The people that
are in power know that the people that are running

(02:41:45):
the most complicated and deadliest things on the planet are
just an average idiot. And you know lots of idiots.

Speaker 4 (02:41:56):
I do, yep.

Speaker 1 (02:41:57):
And these people are not special Back in the day
they were, Yeah, not today, not today.

Speaker 3 (02:42:04):
You say you smoke a little weed, Yeah, smoke with snoop.

Speaker 1 (02:42:08):
Yeah, I'm actually a bigger smoker than's snoopy. He'll tell
you that. But I don't, Like I don't mix anything
with my weed. I just do weed, right, So no, yeah,
nobody has minimum. Nobody, nobody has nobody. Nobody does twenty
blunts to day like me for thirty years, like like

(02:42:29):
I was the first person to have a weed roller,
like somebody whose job it was, Like I haven't. I
haven't rolled the blunt in twenty years. Probably Like if
you go, I'm saying I prefer the saliva of lady.
Oh no, no, understand what I'm saying. If for a blunt,
it's necessary for it to get late, ye right, And

(02:42:50):
so if you had spent twenty years smoking with dudes,
that's a lot of male saliva that you would have
just accident lee ingested. I can't. I can't be this
specimen on that. It takes uh the life of nice
ladies on that. But yeah, I'm a yeah, that's all

(02:43:12):
I do.

Speaker 3 (02:43:13):
Do you consider yourself a king of comedy?

Speaker 1 (02:43:18):
They consider that, like when after Bernie left them, same
three guys I'm telling you about the kings, Yeah, right,
because d L is the greatest know d L slander
gets tolerated. But they came to me. I was supposed
to be the fourth King. I got the offer. What happen?
I turned it down? Why because you shit on Bernie

(02:43:41):
and I know the truth. You think i'ma Let you
shit on Bernie and then come get me, I'm the
next king? Fuck you? Why because the whole time Bernie
was here, you was acting like you was funnier than him.
The reason you were supposed to go last is because
it was your tour. Tell the truth. It was Theve's tour.
Now he was gonna be called the King's Comedy. Was

(02:44:02):
Stem's tour. These are the guys opening for him. Of
course you got a close if it's your tour, that's
why it was such a big deal. But you couldn't
do it cause you can't beat the best. And until
you humble on yourself, you will forever be kinged by
the King. And because you finally did it, cause you
didn't have no other choice. And now that he gone,

(02:44:24):
you go ahead like he wanted to be a movie star.
You stop it, You stop it. That man was funnier
than all of y'all, and y'all thought y'all had one
over on him.

Speaker 4 (02:44:35):
You thought he was black and ugly and you.

Speaker 1 (02:44:37):
Were good looking it. He couldn't make it cause you did,
and that ain't the way comedy worked. The King is
the funniest period every time, and that's why no audience
member was ever swayed. It didn't matter where Bernie went.
You think if Bernie went first, he wasn't the King.

(02:44:58):
Get out of here, Get out of here, Get your
ego out of this. You let the best be the best, right.

Speaker 3 (02:45:07):
Cant wait you ladies and gentlemen, thanks for coming on, bro,
I really appreciate that. Thanks for sharing them. Thank you
the stories setting the record straight. Now you know they're
gonna double back.

Speaker 1 (02:45:16):
Impossible. Impossible only because if once you play this back,
you'll realize I didn't say anything that made me look
in a good light. I wasn't tearing down others to
boost myself up. But I do have to acknowledge things
that did not take place. Like we're very ingenuous if

(02:45:37):
we say this is not a game and we don't
play it, and people ain't in positions, and people don't
have their favorites and they group and they click it.
But that happens at all businesses. No, no, say what
side you on, Say why you don't like the other side,
then then get to the game. But in the game,
I'm wiping the field with them to the point where

(02:45:59):
they don't even compete anymore. So how you gonna let
a dude that have been on the bench for fifteen years?

Speaker 7 (02:46:08):
I would have beat Jordan's lass. Shut up, Jordan is
still alive. We'll calling Jordan right now. You can't beat
him now, not then, you can't beat him.

Speaker 1 (02:46:20):
Now right Cat Williams Shinny Shark.

Speaker 3 (02:46:26):
Appreciate you, Bro, Appreciate you.

Speaker 1 (02:46:29):
All my life. Grinding all my life.

Speaker 2 (02:46:32):
Sacrifice hustle, Patrick Price. One slice got to brother Geist,
Swap all my life. I been grinding all my life,
all my life, and drining all my life.

Speaker 1 (02:46:43):
Sacrifice Hustle, Patrick Price.

Speaker 2 (02:46:45):
One slice got the brother Geist. Swap all my life.
I'd been grinding all my life.

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