Mendeecees Harris

Mendeecees Harris of "Love & Hip Hop" fame, joins Shannon this week inside Club Shay Shay to talk through his time on the show and share some behind the scenes stories!

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is gonna sound horrible, but I put my mom
up for clattering what I was getting a bunch of keys.
And he was like, well, you guys, show me where
your mom lived back and she know she had no idea, right,
And I took him and I never even told him
about that. All my life and grinding all my life,
sack fights, hustle back price. One slice got the broner

(00:20):
dice to swapp all my life. I've been grinding all
my life, all my life, then grinding all my life,
sack of fights, hustle back price. One slice got the
bron dice to swap all my life. I've been grinding
in all my life. Hello, welcome to another edition of
Club Sha Shake. I am your whole shod in sharp.
I'm also the propriud of Club Sha Shake, and the

(00:42):
guy that's stopping by for a drinking conversation today is
a music manager, producer, real estate developer, actor, entrepreneur, father, husband,
reality TV star men DC's Harry Run. Thank you for
talking about the club. How you been this man? Taking
it easy? Man, a blessing. Thank you for having me
nah man, thankful coming on. You know every time we
couple the guys, come on, we have toast. Yeah, let's

(01:02):
do it. I appreciate it time much. Whoof nice and smooth?
So bro taking it easy man, one day at a time. Noah,
you do more than to take it easy from Harlem.
Everybody says they got the best, Bro Harlem say they're
the best, Brooklyn say they're the best. Y'aller queens, Uh,

(01:24):
what's the best? Brom? I gotta say, hallm right? Because
harm got his own culture. We trend setters. I know
you heard of dab Yes, so there you go like that.
That is our tradition. Dabadan is one of many. He's
an icon, but he's one of many styles that come
out of Harlem. And you know he's an innovator and

(01:44):
he pushed the culture forward. But it's so many, so
many styles in hallm right. That's what I mean. You know,
you guys are known for hustlers, even the flashing, you know,
the big cars and you know, you know the big
halfs back in the fifties and sixty. The third makes
is that is that what Harlem is? When you when
people think of Harlem, is that what they think of
So Harlem, you know we grew up looking up to

(02:07):
people like Nicky Bonds. Yeah, uh God Fisher, the rich porters,
and you know you hear the stories, so you know
we we we breede hustlers, rubber burrows. They got other
things going on, but it's it's it's really hustlers out
of Hallm. But okay, so I'm looking at the guys
p Diddy, Tupac, sat Rocket, Cameron Mays, Keith Sweat, Jim Jones, Dames, Dad, Douggie, Press,

(02:32):
Eddy Riley, Julia Santana. If I okay, you gotta have
a Mount Rushmore. You gotta have four people of the
guys that I just named, who's on your Mount Rushmore.
I will go puff. I will go with Cameron, I
will go with Mace, Okay, and I will go with
I will go with uh Juwel santannad Man. Look, man,

(02:57):
how you leave from Hallm. Well he lived there for
a little right, So do we say he from there? Yeah?
Well I ain't see. You know, I never heard him
red Hollm, right, So if I hear West Coast, Yeah,
so when I if I heard him red Hollm, then
then he would have been number one. So when you

(03:18):
when everybody obviously did it, that's how I put him
number one. Yeah, yeah, So did you know did he No? No,
I never, I don't. I don't know him. So what
what if? What if did he done for the borough
of hall the people of Harlem, because we see him
out so much, and like you said, he's always ripping

(03:40):
his hood. From what I see growing up, he gave
a lot of people jobs. You know, he saved Mace.
I know a lot of people that have worked for
him that I've seen in the neighborhood. Did not see him,
but see him with puff and I always know how
to know give people five because I grew up with him. Right,
but he is he is fire the community. Yeah, absolutely,

(04:02):
you know, just just with style, grace in his presence,
you know, just seeing him make it out of Haller
and make us feel gave us hope, make us feel
like we can make it. But you know, but when
I look at it, you look at the record executive,
you got him and you got Dame Dash. How familiar
are you with d No, I meant Dame Dash and
you know I messed up because I definitely meant to

(04:22):
put him on my list. Okay, because he's a hustler, right, Oh,
he definitely. Yeah. He constantly reminds you that, yeah, yeah,
he he might be number one, really right. And the
reason why I see number one because he really, really,
really for the streets. He's really for harm. He goes
back in the community and you know, help people from
coming home from jail, prison, getting him getting a life

(04:44):
back together, filming movies, putting them in the movies. I
see a huge impact with Dame Dash then I do
with you know, with that list. A lot of people
on that list you mentioned at Rocky's on the list,
obviously being from Harlem, but not his big exclaimed the
thing he wife Rihanna. I mean, I mean, I mean,
I can't nobody top that one. That's a lot of

(05:07):
right there. So we I mean, you see he was
on the cover with I mean, obviously they're about to
bring Welcome to the Second Child. He's on the cover
of Vogue, I mean, and it's just hard I mean
because they're talking about the way he was dressed and
how you know, you see a lot of guys dressing
now you see them in they were skirts, So what

(05:29):
I mean kill, I guess it's a killed or whatever
they wear, So I think a sap and for a
sap rocket. They've all got like a village style. It's
not it's not harm. You don't really see that in Hollom.
You see that like in Soho. Okay, so you know
they they they're different, you know. So they embraced it.
I accept it, you know, but they but they Hollom

(05:51):
on their back. So I'm moving for them. I'm looking
at you. You raised them a single parent household in Harlem?
What was that life like for you? Did you? And
we don't get into, you know, some of the some
of the things that you got into, so use raised
single parent household? Would you have been different if both
parents were in the same Yeah? Absolutely, you know what.

(06:13):
I say that all the time. I'll just be I
always ask myself that what how would I have turned
out if I had a father figure and my mom there? Right,
but let alone a male figure as as an example,
even yeah, a positive example, even if he's not a
father figure, just an example of what a man the

(06:36):
right thing to do. So I never had that. You know,
I grew up in the eighties and the projects, and
and you know that when I grew up, you know,
crack was really really taking over Holom drugs was taking
over Holom, so a lot of my friends, including myself.
You know, our parents felt victim, right, so we we
we kind of had to figure it out, right, you know.
And and back then, you know, Grandma had chuck kids

(06:59):
and had so many grandkids. She couldn't do every she
couldn't do be there for everyone. So you know, sometimes
to just find their own way. And I was one
of the kids that had to find my own way.
So when you were growing up, what did man, DC's
what did you want to become? What did you want
to be in life? When you got older, you're like, okay,
you're eleven, twelve, thirteen, and you're like, man, what I
want to be a professional athlete. I want to be there.

(07:21):
So I want to be at the doctor. Know i't
I ain't get a chance to really to think that far, right,
because when I when I was six, I remember my aunt,
you know, one of my aunt boyfriends whatever U introduced
me to drugs And you're like, wow, six year old, yeah,
a six year old where you know, you put them
on a block and you say here, surety, hold this pack,

(07:41):
and every time they run out they get the pack.
You I don't know what I'm doing right, But later
on I come to find out what I was doing
so and that became normal to me, right, and then
it just progressed and it got it got more involved
and more involved to hey, listen, this is how eating
this hot feet my family. Normally, a male, a dominant

(08:02):
figure in your life, grooms you to become. My brother
was grooming me because I saw him. I wanted to
be a professional athlete. Or a father grooms a son
to become a doctor or a lawyer, or mother grooms
her son to be you know, we see Lebron how
he's grooming brine to be followed his footsteps. You had
an uncle that was grooming you. You got hustles grooming
kids to be hustlers, right right, I mean they're not

(08:24):
grooming for nothing else. So they telling you don't go
to school, that shit don't pay. That's whack, right, right.
So then you have your mom telling you go to school,
go to school, go to school. But then when your
mom full victim in the street, your protector's gone, right,
so it's no one over you to be like, you know,
go to school. So you know that's that's where it becomes.

(08:45):
So do you feel like you always do you feel
like you were always searching for that male, for that
role model, not necessarily a father, but a but a figure,
someone that was positive that you could look up into.
It says, Okay, that's what I want to be, like
I think. I think for me, I stopped looking a
long time ago for in a person that I looked
to be that role model. I look for myself to

(09:07):
be that to my kids, Right, so I make sure
they never be me when I was that kid looking
for that role model. I'm their role model, right, I'm
involved in their life. Did you play sports growing up?
I never got a chance, right, I never got a
chance to play sports. I think for the most part,
I was being I was too much worned about things
that shouldn't be learned about. Right, So, how does how

(09:31):
do we get someone like a kid that's coming up
in your situation living in a similar situation? How do
we get them? And says, you know what, I understand,
this is the environment that I'm in. But there is
a better way out. How do we find people? How
do we pair them with mentors and role models to
get them out of that thought process that this is
the only way out. See now, I think what's helping

(09:53):
the kids now is the Internet, okay, because they see
success in different forms. Right when I was growing up,
we only seen success in either you made it to
the NBA, you played basketball, or you as a hustler.
The people that was the entertainments, we couldn't touch them,
right we you know, but the hustlers we can touch.
We saw them, We saw them, We up in personal

(10:14):
with them. Right there was like a hood superstars. So
now with the with the internet being the way it is, kids,
you know, we're seeing successful kids on YouTube. We TikTok comedians,
people are making theirselfs and building theirselves so that that's
inspiring a lot of kids to do something different. And

(10:35):
I read a post the other day and said TikTokers
make more than drug dealers. Wow, you know, and that
that was powerful right there, because I had to think
about it. And I know, you know, my son dropped
a YouTube video and here and make five to ten grain, right,
so just by just showing his everyday life, right so
I can and he don't even go hard, So I
can imagine the kids that's invested in going hard, you know,

(10:58):
they just doing something that's definitely let dangerous. Right, Oh yeah,
you're sleeping bed at night. I take that. So you
ended up catching a beard five year beard? What what
do you what? What? What do you do to stretch for?
I had, I had a conspiracy to move uh uh
kilos from New York to Rochester. And what happened in

(11:20):
that case is usually when you're in the fast somebody,
somebody get locked up in whatever state they are, and
they get presented a deal. Listen, tell us who got money.
I don't care if you did business with them. You
just gotta tell us, point us in the direction with
the money at and we enlighten your sentence. And I
was pointed at. You know, I had. I had a
long run and sometimes when you know you're wrong, you

(11:44):
don't have to fight, even though that's not my situation.
But I got away with this right here. So I'm
going to take the plea and and take that on
the chin and get back to my life. So you
you would you would choppo before choppol, No, I wouldn't
say that. I wouldn't say that. I wouldn't like that,
not like but I was moving some weight for some
well since a kid. But but I wasn't I wasn't chop,

(12:07):
but I got some I got some crazy stories about
you know. Uh. I remember one time I was dealing
with a connect and at this sound this is gonna
sound horrible, but I put my mom up for collateral. What. Yeah,
I was getting a bunch of I was, I was
getting a bunch of keys. And it was like, well,
you guys, show me where your mom lived at, because
if you you run off on this, you can't afford

(12:30):
you to run off right. And I was like, I
ain't had no tinches in running off right. So I
was like, I'll show you and I and I took him,
and she know, she had no idea, right, and I
took him. So if that normal, I think. I think
at that point I had good in my heart to
do good business right, So I didn't look. I didn't

(12:51):
think that I put my mom. I really put my
mom right, and you know, and I never even told
nobody that, right, So that was that was when I
look back at the decisions I made now, I was like, godly,
I can't believe I'm still here with that. One of
the worst decisions that you did, that you put your
mom up. That's one of them. That's one of them.
That's one of them. You are, man, So did it

(13:14):
ever dawn on you? Like, man, what if I get caught?
What if I get killed? If so? What happened when
that thought process happened? Right, I didn't have any kids.
I ain't have I ain't have nothing to live for, right, right,
I only had me. I had me my whole life.
That that changed the moment I had my son because
I said, well, if something happened to me, who has him? Right,

(13:36):
He's going to be a lost child. Right, So if
I if I want to change that narrative, then I
got to start figuring out something different because I want
to beat there for him, you know, and that's important
to me. That's a more important money, that's more important
than then that's that's number one in my life. And
he changed that thought process and the crazy stuff I

(13:56):
used to do. I started scaling back, scaling back, scaling back,
and it was it was a time where I would
be like, I want to do this some more, right,
but I gotta find something to do. And the moment
I started thinking of hustles, other hustles. First thing came
on my mind is real estate, you know, because that's
where most hustles go right, because it's were taken nothing

(14:16):
and turn into something right, and you know, so that's
that's what I was heading. So when you were when
you were hustling, did you put the money that you
were making into a legitimate business because a lot of
times that's what they try to do. They try to
you know, you gotta clean the money up. You gotta
have something to show when you're getting all this income from.
We tried, right, but you gotta understand, we didn't. We
didn't really know. I didn't really know the structure. You know,

(14:40):
nobody teaches finance structure. We you know, it's so late
in the game. We learned about LLC's and and trust
or even though how to hide the money. Most of
the money was like shoot people house, yeah, shoe boxes
and then you know them people start tapping you. So
you go to home depot, buy a bunch of safes
and just put them in people how that you have

(15:01):
no connections with and hoping that you know, if they
come nobody go over there. Right, oh man? So what
was what was the most money that you made in
a deal? In a deal profit see profit in one day?
I think probably like a hundred grand profit one day
and he was like, okay, just east money. It was

(15:23):
it was it was looking forward to the next day. So, right,
so you make it and you don't get a chance
to celebrate, you're just happy you didn't get caught. So
you just you just worrying about, Okay, what I'm gonna do,
What I'm gonna do tomorrow. So when you make let's
just say you made you made a hundred grand profit.
Did you think, man, I'm gonna go buy this. Let
me let me go celebrate that. I mean, did you

(15:44):
buy anything with it? Did you get a chance to
enjoy any of it? Yeah? I got a chance something.
I brought a lot of cars, I took care on
people's we party, we traveled. We uh we we live
life as to what we thought was living life right right,
you know, I look back in it now it ain't
shit right, But back then, coming from the projects, most

(16:07):
most people in the projects don't get a chance that
they never been on. It's some people I took on
the plane for the first time, grown in right. So
to be able to take fifteen people on the plane
and say let's go to Miami for the weekend and
put them all in rooms and have fun and do things.
It was like little kids with money. So you know
that we call that at that time living life. Right,

(16:29):
did you ever did did you ever look over your shoulder?
When did you find yourself constantly peek get out the window? Yeah? Listen,
I had home invasions. I had a tempt kidnaps. I
had I had been through like so much that that
I was paranoid. Right. I had correction officers dress up

(16:50):
like cops and and act like they was. They were
serving the warrant. Meanwhile they they I seen them stuffing
bags and taking the money out the bags and stuff,
and then they boutiful vest and I remember my brother
said they ain't cops, say robbin us. So you know,
in in that instance, you know, just trust trust issues.

(17:12):
I didn't trust no one, right, you know, I didn't
know like I have friends, you know, uh, watching friends
kill friends, watching girls set guys up. You know it
was it was a movie, a real movie. So how
you trust issues? Now? You still have trust issues? So
I still have them, but they're not as worse as

(17:35):
it used to be because I'm not in that lifestyle,
no know. So it's like, if you want to stick
me up, go to the bank and you know, just
get them a letter and see how far that gets you.
But the trust issues I have now is just you know,
I'm still, you know, doing okay for myself. So when
you're doing okay, everybody's you experience anybody saying they love you,

(17:56):
want to be around, call your phone, when help, when this,
want that? And if you got a good heart, you know,
I'm like, I'm help someone, right, you know, but sometimes
it's not always good. You gotta be careful who you help. Right.
Do you ever worry about your pass anybody from your
past running down on you? Do you think about that
or are you so far removed from that? I'm so

(18:18):
far removed from that. But I feel, in my opinion,
you know, I did right by people. If I did wrong,
it's because you caused me to do wrong. Right force
my hand. You know, you fucked up and you did
some ship right and you got to eat that right.
But but I never I'm like, I'm not a Yeah,
I ain't the troublemaker. I like to get money, have fun.

(18:40):
At that time, you know, you know I was with
the with the hip hop you know, at that time
they said money cars closing holes. All the nigga knows
that was our model, right, So the beefing and all that, Now,
I had some people for that, if you want that,
But I try to stay away from that because I
always knew that once you start mixing the murders in
the pheas ain't gonna let you get. But so much money,

(19:01):
they they gotta come right, They're not gonna They're not
gonna do that. So what what is it about that lifestyle,
that culture that seems to be embraced so much by
us that with ever since the movie scar Yeah, hip hop,
But I'm saying ever since like you mentioned Nicky Barns
and you you mentioned U Frank Lucas, Yeah, Frank Lucas

(19:23):
and within eighty three with Scarface, k everybody had to
post that. Everybody watching that movie and you get chopped on,
and you get, you get Noriega, and you get you know.
I think I think people are intrigued by the people
the underdog, right, the people that come from nothing, from poverties,
from just the worst circumstances as as you can think of.

(19:45):
And once you see them, uh take nothing and turn
into something and get that level of successful, they become
a hero. Right, right. So it's just like people go
to Africa, still gold and diamonds. You know, you're still
a little they call you a thief, you're still a
lot they call your king. Right, So it's the same,
it's the same concept. We just we're just not talking

(20:07):
diamonds and gold, right you know. Okay, I look at
Jay and Jay had a very similar and you've been
you know, jay Z very well and he started in
that lifestyle and look what he became. Did did you
think that, like, you know what, put that behind me
and you can become what you're becoming. Absolutely, I've seen
the direction with hip hop was taking us here, and

(20:29):
I've seen an outlet for all the guys that was
transitioning from the streets, finding talent in the in the hood,
and pushing the talent in the music business. So once
I'm able to identify that, now this is a model,
I see, I'm going that same way because you sleep better,
get to take care of your family, and you live
a better lifestyle without you know, looking over your shoulder,

(20:51):
and you know you don't have to do that no more.
So I'm inspired. Right, what do you think about shows
like BMF and Snowfall? And power. See, I got mixed
feelings about that, right, because my son he loves snowfall.
He you know, he's he's an actor now, right, he
go to all my kids go to acting school. And
he just got he you know, he just got signed

(21:13):
his big contract with his agent, with a top agent,
so you know, he he he want to play that role,
right and not? And and I look at that role,
and I look at that show, and I'd be like,
I've been through all I've been through so much of
that ship, right that it's not It's sad right that
that a young kid have to go through that, right,

(21:34):
because that shouldn't be our life, right and and and
and you know, you get these suburb kids that that
you know, they're excited by that lifestyle, and I say,
you don't want that, right, That's not something you want,
right you when you when you look at it, it's
like suburbs. I mean a lot of times the hood
want to be in the suburb of the suburb want

(21:55):
to go back to the hood and live a life.
So how about they're just like rapp us want to
be rappers, and trappers want to be rappers. So they
want to they want to reverse because the rappers they're talking,
some of them, not all of them, talk about a
lifestyle they didn't never live, right, right, And then the
real trappers don't want to live that lifestyle, so they say, like,

(22:16):
you see how easy you make them. I wish let's
trade places, right. You think it's that easy, Yeah, let's
trade places. Right. But the entertainment value and the and
I get it because it's for entertainment and I'm not
you know, I'm not looking like I said, Snowfall is
probably my favorite show. It's probably mine. It's probably really
the only show that I watch on television. But there's
an entertainment value of it. But to get the authenticity

(22:40):
downpat they had to go and research and do some
things with some people that says, Okay, this is how
you do it, this is the lingo that you use,
and this is what you do right absolutely, because you
you have to be on ground level to understand, you know,
I'm of course there's some secrets that you can't tell
because they still working today, right, And you don't want
to blow people's spot up, you know, because this is

(23:01):
how they speed their family. But they had to go
deep down to ground level and touch the hood and
get with I heard the stories based off Rick Ross, right,
I got a chance to meet him too, so that
that was pretty cool because I what was cool is
I heard his story right, and I see it on TV.
So you know, I'm like, all right, if your job,

(23:22):
if you could give up any advice, if you could
see if job Morant was sitting right here, and you
could give him any piece of advice, or you could
have a conversation with him, what was some of the
advice that you would share with him, Like, I would
tell him, like most of the people were in the
position here is right now, he got a chance to
set his family up for generations to come, not just him,

(23:43):
not just the next generation, his kids, kids, kids, right,
I would tell him, you know, just being a tough
guy on pay, you know, and having a gun. Sometimes
I used to tell people, you know, don't carry a
gun because it might force you somebody might force you
to shoot him. Because you're not gonna let nobody beat
you up with a gun on you, right, You're not

(24:03):
gonna be knocked out on the floor. You got this
one yet, You got you got that, eat that that
you know how you get that? Now It's like I
wish you would. Right, you know, you're a different person.
I've been that person, right, I'm I was a different
person when I had a gun on me, and to
the point where you know, I seen myself getting an
unnecessary ship that I would avoid it if I didn't

(24:24):
have it, right, So I didn't really like guns normally.
I mean normally, if you were worth two hundred million dollars,
you ain't gonna try to hustle or you're not gonna
try to present yourself in that in that lifestyle. But
and that's why I think that's the thing where people
look at me, like, job, bro, you got a chance

(24:44):
to do something you like you said generation, you're talking
about five generations with account of money that he's he's
in line to get overs. I've seen the documentary. He
had his father in his life. Yeah, he had his
mother in his life. So now when I started to
see things like this, I'm questioned, like what a at
you know, not to say they're not in his life, right,
But I know when when when I started seeing my

(25:06):
son act up, I'm coming right, I'm what's what the
what's going on? Right? Like talk to me. But here's
the difference, and this is what I tell people. It's
like when the roles flip. When like when I was
combing up my grandfather and my grandmother said, I pay
the bills, you listen to me. But what happens when
the child starts paying the bills? Who listens to who? Now?

(25:29):
Where you live on the golf course, that's me. That
nice card that you drive, that's me. Those first class
seats and those those court side seats, that's me. So
can you talk to that child the same way and
he listens if the role because he's now in a
parent role, he's doing all the things that you normally
did for him. Right, So with me personally, I wouldn't

(25:50):
I love my son beyond money. My son can't pay
me to be submissive to him, to watch him crash
out right, Okay, So so I can't do nothing with
the money without him here, I mean, if I need
him here so we can enjoy it. Right, So I
don't think that ever happened with me? Right? So you
were shot twice, stabbed thirteen times right as you're lying there,

(26:15):
what's going on? Is your life like literally flashing before you? Guys, Like, man,
am I gonna make it? But some one time I
was One time I got stabbed. I didn't know I
was actually stabbed because I was too busy my gelman
and you're fighting and then you're like, oh snap, what's
what's my shirts sticking to me? And then you know,
my back sticking And then then it's like then when
you start seeing blood, then it's like your mind like, oh, okay,

(26:37):
I'm getting tired now. Right then, maybe if I didn't
see it then, but it happens, you know, it happens.
And when when when something like that happens, you just
gotta thank god you still here. Did you know you
had gotten shot? Yeah? Oh shot? Oh yeah, I definitely know.
I was. I called that on myself. I did. I did.

(26:58):
My brother got shot the day before, and I called myself, Yeah,
I call myself just doing something stupid and and and
and in the outcome, I got shot. Behind that I'm
reading your uh, your your son was a target and
a kidnapping. Yeah, what happened is what happened was uh,

(27:20):
I started, you know, doing the right thing? Are you
still doing the wrong thing? I was doing I was
doing the wrong thing, and and and and and a
close person wasn't wasn't was in prison, and they was
in prison with one of you know, a mutual friend,
and he was they was conspired. When I get home,
I heard he's got all the money on the street.
When I get home, you know, I want, I want.

(27:41):
We need to get his son. We need to get
his son. And in the person he said that too,
came and told me and and and you know, and
that was that nothing. You know, we just say we
stopped that. You took a plea deal, right, so what
so what what was the centers that they had had
you not taken a plea deal? So if I went

(28:03):
to trial and I blew trial, then I probably would
have got like, uh, maybe twenty years if you blow trial,
because you know, they stacked the charges out. Yeah, the
government really don't like you to fight. You fight them back, right,
they want they want you to. They put them up.
They know they're gonna get something. One of them gonna stick. Right.
So so at the end of the day, I took
the lesser charge for to be like, to be able

(28:26):
to you know, I could count the time. I'm like,
all right, what eight years? You do? Five? I could
I'm so used to starting all over. It's normal to me, right,
like I never really have money issues, right, because it's
like it's as soon as I came outside, I just
figured I figured it out. So I'm like, well, five
years I could you know, I could come back and

(28:47):
start my life back over and and at that time,
I was on TV, so I didn't know if TV
was going to be there, but I knew that it
was open up doors for me, right, So I was like,
let's hurry up and get this over with, so I could,
you know, get my life back together. So what do
you think about the situation? Though I don't know. I
know you, I don't know how much you know how
much you've read the situation that's going on in Atlanta

(29:09):
with the RICO on Gunna and why why you sail? Right?
Could what because like we were talking about earlier, what
is entertainment and what is reality? So how do how
does how can you say because I'm talking about you know,
captain Theirs and doing that, that that's reality, right? See,
I don't know they case right, And because I know

(29:30):
that successful black men become targets from the government because
of their influence in the company that they keep, right,
So I know that, But far as they case, I
don't know, and I wish them gods the best, you know,
I wish that they they they they have an opportunity,

(29:52):
the same opportunity John Marant have to to change to
rewrite history in support their family, UH people and inspired
hoping the community right. So I hope they make out
the best. And I hope that everything that the media
is saying true because I know about the media twisting

(30:12):
things around to make it sound slacious enough to to
to to get a conviction. Because when when you when
you play with the media, the same people that's watching
the media is the jurist, right, So they're going off
with these newspaper they're going off for with all the
bad things, so they're not really taking an account of
your actions. It is basically who can prove their story? Right?

(30:37):
You when you cop the plea and it's like you
didn't get the amount of time that you could have
got gotten. The people think you read it dime snitched someone. Well,
I think for the for the people that's not educated
in the UH with the system. So if you if
if if you don't, if you don't, if you never
experienced this lifestyle, right and you're from the outside looking

(30:58):
in and you just looking at like a glampse of
the story. You make your own opinion. You're gonna formulate
your own opinion. But if you if you have a
loved one there, or you experience it, then you just
have to get more information. Right. That's just like me
make an opinion about why it's out. I can't make
an opinion because I don't know the story. So I

(31:19):
don't know. I can't sit here and be like this
far as out could say they're innocent. You know you're
under saying and what they're convicted of just having money
and power. Money and powers is a drug and it
is dangerous and people don't like to want to see
you with that. So in my case, you know, people

(31:41):
I guess for the type of money I was getting,
they feel like I heard, that's not enough time. Right,
that's not enough time, right, you you was out there
killing it for too long. That's time. It's a time.
But a lot of times I kept people out of
my business. So even even the dealers I was doing,
you didn't know about them, right, or all you know

(32:02):
is about the Rolex, the nice cause, this and that,
But you don't know my dealings. So because they behind
closed doors, So you know that's it. So why are
we seeing so many rappers going to PRIs put his rico?
How are they able to just slap that reco charge on?
Because the rico and conspiracy is is about affiliation, right

(32:22):
and as long as as long as we affiliated together,
Uh just say you you I'm I'm an artist, your
street guy. You you come to me telling me about
your problems. If I give you one advice, then that's
a rico. Yeah, we conspiracy. I can't give you advice.
We and we ain't even really supposed to be hanging out, right.

(32:44):
But you gotta understand for for a lot of guys
that made it have a sense of loyalty for the
people they come up with, and just because they made it,
they don't they're not going to band the ones that
was there for them, you know. And and in every
sense of of me being through that, that's why I
moved from New York to Atlanta, because I knew I

(33:04):
had so many down people for me and I just
didn't want to be around that no more, you know,
And and loved ones. I love them like I love
them like we go out to eat and they're gonna
they're gonna pull up, you know what I'm saying. So,
but they that's theay life. It's not my life no more,
you know, so I have to separate that. Man. I'm looking.
Prison wasn't too bad for you, bro, I mean, your

(33:27):
right what I feel today. So so I went I
went through. I went through prison not only as a
kingpin but a reality TV star. Yeah right, So you
know when I went to the white prison, you know,
the CEOs hated on me, right or the guy with
the white teeth and and the gouy on TMZ and

(33:48):
this and that, and they hate was go get that
garbage and mister Harris, take that garbage and take it
to the top of the hill and laughter. They thing
right now, I'd be like, you know, I'll courage to
say signing up my breath, and I wouldn't do it right.
So they call itself discipline me. But when I go
when I moved to the camp, now, the federal camp

(34:08):
don't have no gates around people getting furloughs. Furloughs if
you could go home for twenty eight hours, I mean
forty eight hours and stuff like that. And it's black people,
young black people, hip hop people. So they're like, yo,
looks up, man, Yo, you wanna go to a concert? Here,
We're gonna I'm gonna call Remy mar Let you go

(34:29):
to Remy mall because she's performing in Atlantic City. And pappoos,
let one of my the CEOs on my unit come
to the concert. So he go to the concerts, he'll
come back like, go on your locker, be popas of lobster,
all types of stuff. Then then then it used to
be like here, man, here's your phone, so somebody call you,
and and I'd be like, yo, listen, stop bringing me

(34:51):
the phone in front of everybody. Right, So you know,
it was very, very very very relaxed in that sense.
But at the same time, one of the hardest things
I had to deal with is, you know, watching my
kids grow up through prison, right, So you know, nothing
superseded that right there. I think for me that was
the hardest part. In every every visit, my kid could

(35:13):
ask me, Dad, when you're coming home? Right, when you're
coming home? When you come home? And every time I
said soon. Soon they got to a point where they
got tired of here, and soon they want to annoy
a date. Did you ever did you ever tell don't
bring it back. I don't want to see I don't
want him to see me like this. I don't want
to see him bad. No, I think I never said
that because I still wanted that connection right, and I

(35:36):
still wanted to be involved in their life as as
as much as possible, because I see when when men
not involved in their children life, sometimes a kid be bitter, right,
you know, they feel that they have that benement issues.
And I just wanted to re ensure my kids that
I love them right, and anything I could do from
them from there was just sound advice or a gift

(35:58):
or something to ease the pain. I want to make
sure I do that. And you know, my children mother
and mother's and my wife, they did a great job
of keeping that connection. Well, well, it's difficult to see
your wife on the internet. I mean you in jail
and you yeah, every damn I'm you know, I'm on
the toiler in the bathroom looking through a g and

(36:20):
I'm watching her Dubai. I'm watching her live her life
and I'm wow, Wow, I need you, I need you home,
I need you miserable waiting on me to come back.
So so I'm like, why are you going to all
these places without me. We're supposed to have this experience together, right, right,
So I'm the hating and I'm toiling. I was a
big hater right then. Then I said, you know, forget

(36:41):
this phone. I'll go to my bed and just push, push,
push my bed and like when I get out, I'm
going to all these places. Right listen, come, I'm like,
even you're coming down, you're gonna watch me go like
I'm going right, And I fulfill that. I went to Dubai.
I've been in Africa a few times, and you know
I've been to I got my passports stamped up. So

(37:01):
it was one of the promises that I made was
to see the world because because you know, we Hollom
was our that was our world, right, we didn't really
know too much. It was outside of hallm So man
is a big world out there. So anything anything pop
up in prison, like you like, man, I gotta watch
my back. I gotta make oo. I mean, I had

(37:23):
some some people that I was jealous because they just
how I was living in there, right, you know, you
know they felt like I was getting specially treatment. They
feel like, you know, yeah, it wasna feel some type
of way. But I feel like I feel like, don't
be a hater, like be apart, like joint. Come on,

(37:43):
come on, man, get your plate, come come eat with me. Right,
you ain't got it like it's enough for everybody, and
I would make it enough for everybody, so you know it,
but you have some people. I ain't no goopie, that's
the first thing. But when someone wanted, they don't. They
might be a fan, but they rather not be a groupie.
Right then then it looked like a fan. Well you

(38:04):
know what, That's one thing I can say about you
that you real because when I reached out to you,
and that's like, brou can I send you? Can I
send you something? Like? Oh yeah, bro, I love to
I want to try it. And then I mean we
hadn't really at that point in time, we had never met.
I just said, can I send you this? And that's
all I said, Can I see you this? I want
you to try? You're like yeah. And then next thing,
I know you at the Mayor's ball and you posted it. Right,

(38:27):
I'm like, dude, what I said, bro? He said, I
want to see I want to see you'll succeed. Right,
And first I'm a fan, right, I think that I
think you're super dope. I think that you know sometimes
you gotta not sometimes all the time. You should be
confident in who you are to be given another man
his flowers and tell another man you don't you know

(38:47):
you you you, what you did and which your accompass
is very inspiring. And if I can be a little
piece of help or to assist you, to promote you
to do anything and cost me nothing to shout you
out and support you, why don't we do that enough?
Why us? I'm talking about us. This is a conversation
between you and our black man, the black man. Why

(39:09):
is it that we can't see that? Why can't well?
And sometimes I read a quote this says, jealousy sometimes
isn't about somebody you having something that somebody else wants.
Sometimes jealousy is about them not wanting you to have
it at all. Right, I think we do too much
for competing with each other, right right? We think that
you know, it's not enough for all of us to eat,

(39:30):
but it is, it is, it's putting money out there.
I think, I think, I think, I think a lot
of people got like trauma and they they how they
was raised or grew up there they everything is like this.
They don't know if you know, if you give, God
gonna bless you, right, right, So they like everything like this,
They holding on that everything. They want everything for themselves.

(39:51):
But you know, when you give and you're able to
change people lives and and put food on people's table
or create opportunities, that's a different type of love, different
type of respect. So you know, I don't know, man,
I encourage every I don't like stinking selfish people around me.
I tell you, if I figured if I started to
see them traiting you, I get away from you real quick. Wow.

(40:14):
So what would what would? What was the prison fool like?
It was disgusting? It was, it was, it was. It
was definitely definitely disgusting. But again when I got to
the to New Jersey Farrington and camp, we had black cooks.
They put the season in on, right, they put the
season in on it. So you know, again, you know,

(40:36):
for someone that that they don't have a family, that
don't have anything going on, I'm pretty sure it's easy
for them, right. It's a mental thing, right. And then
once you once you get into prison and you saw
I started to see a lot of young black brothers
in there, that lost so many years in prison for

(40:58):
the smallest crime you can imagine, and they lost, they
hold they lost twenty years, right, And I started to
see that prison is a business, right you know. They
warehouse people and put people to work to make five
dollars a month, ten dollars a month, where where now
they don't even have enough money to call a family.

(41:20):
They don't have enough money for commissary, don't have it
costs money they send an email. Right. So you know
when you think about the the tell the self, the
phones and and and all of commissary and stuff. They're
making a lot of money off these people. And every time,
every time people get out, you notice they do big indictments,

(41:42):
big indictments because they got to fill these prisons back up.
They don't want these prisons empty, right, they don't want
them empty. Yeah. And I got a chance to work,
uh in Unicorn, and I was working cleaning eighteen T
products right right, And I'm like that eighteen T is
profiting off of prison. And you think about all the
big companies that's profit of for predict, they complain about

(42:03):
people going overseas, but them slave wages. But we got
it right here in this country right, and everybody's turning
a blind eye. Nobody cares until it hit home. Then
whence they hit home, then then all of a sudden
they started to care. But you know what, man, what
I don't understand is that guys will go to prison
and work for a dollar hour or seventy five cents

(42:25):
or two thousan an hour, But say, nah, I want
no job at McDonald's making fifteen thous an hour and
you be free. Now you make two dollars an hour
incarcerated and you're not free. They tell you when to go,
where to go, with time to get up, what time
to go to bed for two dollars an hour, but
you don't want to work for fifteen dollars McDonald That's
that's beneath them. What's that mentality? What's that mice? I

(42:46):
think that's social pressure, social pressure of God's want and
be the man right, and they feel like they can
never they're never gonna succeed getting fifteen dollars an hour.
When you have the movies that we watch, El Chopoles
and The King of New York and all that, they're
ready to take that route. Then to be with a
mop in a boom for the next five or ten

(43:07):
years or to something. You know, it's it's uncomfortable right
for them, and they don't they they for me, there's
a lot of challenges. They just got to challenge it, right,
I see. Uh. For the next two times he brought
diamond cuff links. He said he wanted it to remind
him of where he's been and that he's never going back.

(43:27):
What do you think about that symbolism. I don't want
nothing to remind me. You can keep all that shit. Listen.
I don't want no cuffs. I don't want no khakis.
I don't want nothing like you know, it's so crazy
because I ain't boyd listen, dumb memories is in the past.

(43:50):
And the only thing that I wish, you know, not
even I wish I'm inspired to do, is to stop
people from going there, right right, So and tell young
brothers that's you know that I looked that could have
been me, Like, that's not the way to go, you know.
So I do the mentorship. I go into schools, I
even go into prison, right and and who who can

(44:10):
they believe to tell a story but me? Right? You know,
I lived at at a high level. So if I
can tell you your outcome. Don't don't go, don't go
get the outcome right, learn from me, right, you know.
And and I think that I'm able to reach him,
and I'm going to continue to reach as many as
I can. Took courses in prison, and it took every

(44:35):
I took every program. That's how that's how I got
through my days. I took every class that I can take, right,
So I wanted to work on I wanted to take
that time and do something useful for me. It was
to learn, and you know, just for me, it was
like college, right. So I never got a chance to
I got a GD. I never got a chance to

(44:55):
finish school. But I got my GD. So that my
my my time in prison, and it was to learn
as much as I can learn, not to make this
dead time, idle time I'm just sitting around learn and
also reflect on the decisions I made and also figure
out how to make better decisions. So you know, when

(45:16):
when you're there, your whole life flashed behind you. Right,
And you always say that if I did this is different?
How did this is different? Did you? So? Do you? Did?
You have a lot of like thinking about because they
say a prison okay, there's two ways of looking at prison,
the actual facility in what you're in and your mind
being incarcerrated. If that, when the mind gets incarcerrated, is

(45:39):
where people do bad things to themselves and maybe do
bad things to other people. So did you ever a lot?
Did you ever allow yourself to like, man, I mean
five years And you know you say that's not a
lot of time, but five years of a lot of
time when you can't go and come as you please.
But see five, I said five years not a lot
of time, because if I said I had a fifteen
year run, right, and I tell you everything that happened
to me in that fifteen years, five years not a

(46:02):
lot of time. Oh okay, I see what you're saying. Yeah,
you know what I'm saying. I'm saying yeah. So so man,
I remember the pandemic, Man DC, Man, I'll lose my
mind inside and I could still get my car, drive
out of pre where I couldn't go in a restaurant
and not listen, Man, try to sleep on the floor.
That's hard. That's how the bed feels, right. So for
the pandemic, I was home in the pandemic, and I
got a California King right. I was good right there.

(46:25):
So I got the remote California King, got the kids,
the dog. I was chilling. When you got out, you
had a financial well seminar call from prison sale to
living well. What made you decide to do that? Because
when I first came out of prison, right, and and
you know, I never been through prison, so I never experienced,

(46:47):
you know, the aftermath, the part like things that I
couldn't do, Like I couldn't get I had money coming out.
You know, I couldn't get a car because I can't
enter a contract. No banks wanted my money because they
figure he's going money launder, right, So when when you
when you when you look up the case and you

(47:07):
see millions of dollars, they said, oh, he's going to
run millions of dollars to a bank. And you know,
we we don't we don't want that attention, you know.
So I had nowhere to put my money. I had
a great accounting that when I was in prison, moved
my money to Canada. That's the only that was the
only person that was the only place I could was

(47:27):
willing to take my money in Canada. And when I
came home, I started trying to trying to get buy
a house. The house I live in now was going
to buy the house, and and I had alert the
back office, and I slid underneath the radar. But as
soon as I alert the back office, they kicked my
money straight on out. So it was like it was

(47:49):
like only through relationships and network, I was able to
re establish myself in the support system. Right, So I
had I had, I had a job, I had valuging
for me. I had I had that support that that
made it easy. But I was more concerned how how
I got in that program. It's the people that don't
have the support what that looked like for them. And

(48:12):
and you know, I was losing holpe at one point, right,
So I can imagine someone with no support how they
losing hope and then they end up doing what they
was doing before they got in there, because they they
they they went through all their remedies and it led
them back to a square one. And that's my question

(48:34):
to you, how do we keep man that looked like
you and I from going And if they do go,
how do we keep it from going back? I think
programs more people like myself, like you speaking up even
though that's not your your world but you're still You're
still a great example for a man in in in

(48:55):
in inspiring. So people just being you know, a mentor
and able to you don't People don't know how impactful
their voices by just giving it to a kid, even
grown men, right, because I see grown men ask for advice, right,
you know, just because someone is older mentally, they're not mature.
You see men that that's that's still children because they

(49:18):
never got that chance to grow up. They still stuck.
Do you run into it? And what I've run into
sometimes is that sometimes we are too pride for to ask. Absolutely.
I used to be like that, right, I used to
I used to be the one that had it all
figured out, right. I used to be so reserved. I
mean I never used to even talk to people, right right,

(49:40):
So you know I never had a personality, right right,
So I just say what's up, you know, and keep
it moving whatever. And my wife helped me with that.
She said, men, you gotta start talking to people because
you got this beautiful personality in the house with us
and the kids and people you comfortable with. But you
you're gonna be in his box. You're gonna you're gonna

(50:02):
miss the opportunity and making some really good friends and
some really good connections. If you don't talk right because
these trust issues, you're thinking, you know, the corny ship.
We think that people really laugh at us and play.
You know, I just did a mean Cameron just did
a tap dance, right, So I ain't know how to
tap dance, but we figured it out and you know,

(50:22):
people was gonna be laughing at it, but we had
a good time, and that we wasn't at that time.
I wasn't worrying about people laughing. I would just wanted
to focus on us having a good time. So how
long after you got out did it take you to
get your money straight? Because I read that you had
to give up one hundred and seventy thousand that you
had earned from the reality show to make restitution. It
wasn't really restitution right, what it was it was if

(50:44):
you want to get out on bell, well, you could
do two things right. You're given You can even tell
us who got some money, or you could give us
some money. I said I'll give you my money. So
they wanted you to die or somebody. So those are
two options. You can even tell us who got money,
or you could give us some money, and I went

(51:04):
with the option of, well, you know, if if you
if if I get out on bel I'll forfeit any
money that I make right from TV, whatever the case
may be, I'll forfeit. But then it give me time
to uh, to just make these adjustments before I know,
I'm coming back, right And I had a call for
my lawyer telling me, you know, you don't have to

(51:26):
come back. I said, no, I'm coming back. You know
what I'm saying. I'm coming back because this is going
to be a short period of my life that should
be all behind me and I want it done with.
So you know, I had a chance to at this time,
married my wife. I had a chance to have a daughter,
h just you know, extend my family. I had a

(51:48):
chance to make U to fortify the relationship with me
and my mom's and and and beat it for my
brother and mentally just prepared them for what's to come.
I know you can't prepare for it, but by having
these conversations, in these discussions to let them know, like listen,
I love you. Had you told who had who, who

(52:08):
had the money, you will have paperwork, right, So if
you tell, like okay, Shannon got baked Shannon running this
and all that. No, you don't need that. No, from
from what I hear, you don't even need that really right, no,
to to to start an investigation. You don't need to
have anything on. You just need to know your name

(52:31):
pretty much. And and that's that's their job. That's not
your job. You hear, you hear a lot of women,
and I've heard this. I'm ride or die hey up
down side, side, back, front back, I'm a rider, die hey.
We get this hide roller coaster, your boy, I'm your
woman there with you if we died here? Yeah, and

(52:53):
the ride a dipper? Real right? She she did that?
Not listen she she You know, the easy to think
about that is in the beginning, I ain't think she
could do it right because I know how how clingy
she was. Right, and prior to me having this case,

(53:13):
I mean, I grew up watching my friends go to
prison and they used to be stressing over a girl,
and I'd be like, yo, do your time, stop worrying
about it. So I vowed to never be dumb, right,
just because I had that chip on my shoulder and
I had trusted you. So when I when I was
on my way to prison. I was like, listen, just
be my friend, right, because I don't want you to

(53:35):
have these I don't want to have these expectations and
get let down because I've been I've been let down
my whole life. Right. I had expectations, and everyone I
had expectations let me down and I didn't. I didn't
want this relationship ruined. Did you tell her that? I
told you that, But did you really mean? I didn't
mean it. I didn't mean I mean it. I wanted

(53:56):
to see if she take the exit, right, Like, like
if he given me a i'ma take it. Sometimes you
give someone out and see if they take it. Yeah,
and if they take it, that's what they really want
to out right. But but but that you give it
to them, right, and she didn't take it that. I
was happy she didn't take it, But I felt like,
as being responsible and being realistic, I had to give

(54:16):
her out right. Man, I'm looking at me. You handle
over a lot of two out of the eight one
hundred and seventy thousand cash and then you're like, hey,
I'm gonna build it. I'm gonna build it right back up, right, Listen,
I told you it's starting a lover. It's normal to me,
you know, like when you're a hustler, you take losses,

(54:36):
you go right back, you get right back, you get
right back. It's in you, it ain't on you, you know.
So my mentality is just just open these gates. I
figured the rest out. I mean, she was on the
front line when she's a pro chester in humane conditions.
Uh she got pepper sprayed in the process. I mean, ruh,

(54:58):
you got a real listen. That was crazy because I
asked her like, why are you doing that? Like I
because I'm in the inside, and I was worried for her,
and she was like, that could have been you and there,
that could have been you living in them conditions. Right,
So again it hit close to home, right. So you know,
with Yanny being an activist, at first I didn't get

(55:19):
it because I thought, you know, I'm so used to
fighting for people we know, not fighting for people we
don't know. But I get it now. I'm just trying
to figure this. I've been around you a little while
and you're very soft spoken. You don't say a whole lot.
I mean you speak when spoken to, but you're not
a confrontational individual. And a lot of times to be

(55:39):
on reality, it requires you to get out of your
get out of character. Well I did one time with
the gym. I don't know if you missed that, with
the guy and the gym that was taking up her cousin. Yeah,
so that was that was one time, and that was
a valid reason, you know. But my demeanor is what
it is in real life. Yeah with the camera, right,

(56:00):
I don't like to argue. I'm not trying to fight nobody,
and that's just what it is. Well, how do you
make it work? Because a lot of these shows are
predicated and they get the better reddings when someone gets
out of character, and you simular with the exception of
that one time, you stay in character. But I think
they got they got enough people for that, right, right,

(56:21):
And they got people. That's the thing, you know, that's
that's the thing is. You know, they don't know how
to control the emotions. You know. I had to control
my emotions, you know, I played with my life. So
when when these people getting out of character and not
controlling emotions, it lives and it dies there me, it

(56:44):
goes a whole nother direction. Right. I don't want that, right,
so let's not go there. I don't. I do not want.
I don't want no smoke because smoke we can't come
back from right. I don't want that. You have kids
from two I don't want to use the BM word,
but you have kids. It's from two different women and
one of the your kids mom yany cousin beat up

(57:06):
for so? So how how was that? So? So? What
what did you say? Like why y'all, why y'all do this? So? So?
You know how when you remove the man, the father,
everything good? Chaos? Yeah, you know, it's normal order, some
more structure. So I know once I left, it's gonna

(57:29):
fall apart, right, and I just I was just hoping
that it didn't. It didn't go too crazy. But as
soon as I get back, everything back to normal, right.
You know, we got everybody got a great relationship. Apologies
was accepted. You know, we like we we had each
other house cookouts, is everything is is back in order.

(57:50):
I like the fact that you're very active in your
kid's life, all of your kids. And I read what
you told one of your one of your kids moms
that you're not going to turn me into a week
get dad, right. I'm every day I'm here, I'm being
constant communication with my child and there's nothing you can
do about it. Even though we're not together. We're together.

(58:14):
What because I again, if I, if I couldn't go
back in history and change my life, I could take
part in his life and make sure that he doesn't
he does the right thing. You never want your kids
to experience what you experience, right, so you know, and
for me, you know, that's my greatest accomplishment. You know,

(58:37):
if I never did nothing right, I did that right right.
You know, when did you realize obviously yandys stood by you,
But when did you realize was it that when you
came out and she was still waiting for you, that
she through the process right? So she never wait? She
she come visit. She was coming to visit, uh every

(58:58):
week in the beginning, then be two weeks and then
she she would fly back, have an event and didn't
even get no sleep and go straight on the highway
to come visit me, bring the kids. The kids is sleepy,
the weave is almost off, the makeup. And just to
sit there from with me for like five six hours,

(59:18):
not nor of sleep, but just to make sure that
we keep our connection and also I keep the connection
with the kids. Wow, you mentioned that you saw you
saw her going he was in Dubai and then you
ended up you guys got married in Dubai. Yeah, yeah,
what was that? What was that moment? Like when she said,

(59:39):
let's have a destination wedding. The first thing I said,
It's gonna be expensive. Yeah, right, So I'm like, oh
my god, destination. You mean we had like about sixty
seventy people come. So I'm thinking, like, well, who's paying
for all this? Right? Right? Because me, I'm very calculated
when it comes to spending my money now, right, so

(01:00:02):
you know I'm not in the streets no more. So
I'm very calculated. So I'm thinking, like, you know, with Yandy,
you know, she she she don't give me no breaks.
The day that I was paying bills at some point
from prison, right, I'm not a single mother. You know
you're gonna help me. And then the day I got out,

(01:00:23):
I think she gave me like three or four days off,
and then I think the first was coming up and
she was like, because yeah, I got the first yep.
I got out on the twenty ninth January twenty ninth.
By the first of February, probably two or three days.
She's like, hey, let's talk about these bills. I'm like, what,
you didn't give me a chance, Like I didn't even

(01:00:44):
get the jill food out my system yet, I got
I still got jill food in my in my stomach.
Let me shoot down, like, come on, like like my
my back still hurt from se let me get a
little comfortable, like, and also, what's my plan? Right? Right?
I gotta have a plan. My plan was in the order, right, so,

(01:01:07):
and I know sometimes it takes money to make money,
So let me figure out how I'm gonna flip this
before you just take it, all right, And she was like,
you'll figure it out. Nobody gives me a break. You listen,
you've been figuring out. You ain't gonna never stop figuring out, right.
So that's that's her mentality. Your first tattoo for your

(01:01:29):
wife name person only tattoo? What made you decide to
get that? Because at that point, right, I never believed
in getting tattoos. I don't follow trends. You know, something
you put on you, it's going to be with you
today you die, right, And I think at that point,
I thought, I mean, this woman like relationship is slid, right,

(01:01:53):
even even if we go separate ways. One day when
I loved her, I loved her, right, and she means
something to me. And so you know, if I if I,
if I love enough to marry her, then I love
enough to get a tattoo. Right, So that that was
the decision. I mean you no, I'm I'm They hurt,
They hurt. They hurt the hurt worst getting stabbed. I

(01:02:17):
got stabbed, didn't even feel get I got shot them.
Tattoos hurt. Many don't hurt. Man, they don't hurt. To listen, yeah,
Tim get stabbed up a few times and shot didn't
do the comparison. You mentioned that you left New York
and moved to Atlanta. Right, you wanted a fresh start, right,
you know what it is. I wanted. I want the

(01:02:38):
opportunity to try to focus on my family. Right. I
didn't want no distractions. I want to change my environment
and just have that. Right. I want to work in family.
I didn't want no hanging out. You know, I can't
to Atlanta. I ain't hang out. I still don't hang out.
So you know it's is work and family and and

(01:03:01):
and I've been had a place down there since two
thousand and three. So I always knew, like you know,
we have Harlem is is like the Mecca, but Atlanta
is like Black Hollywood. Yeah right, so, and the thing
the thing I love about Atlanta is I've never seen
so many black entrepreneurs in my life, right, and I

(01:03:22):
never you know, I lived in Jersey and we see
a lot of white people who need these big homes.
But in Atlanta, we see all black people who need
these big homes. And now that's something good for the
kids to see, you know, and that that that that
gives them hope, is inspiring and everything. So I said,
that's what I'm going. Glad you made that decision to
relocate to Atlanta. Yeah, listen, were thriving right now. Should

(01:03:45):
actually today are closed on two properties they uh single
multi million dollar builts that I'm doing right in Buckhead.
I own a whole block in Atlanta. So my real
estate is is booming because Atlanta so many people moving
down and making it crazy and there's not enough inventory, right,

(01:04:07):
So you can sit and watch or you can participate
and develop. And so we just I just started developing.
You've got real estate restaurant, which you didn't take me
to last time. I was home. I don't know why
you didn't. I don't want people to bother you with
the pictures. So one day, when when it's when it's chill,

(01:04:27):
we're gonna go over and not making something to hold
that door because the women in there, man, they get me,
so I can imagine I'm gonna get you. So what's
the next from NDCs? Uh? Next? I got a first
look deal with with Viscom to produce TV show. I
started already thinking about what's my life after? Because eventually

(01:04:51):
love and hip hop got to be over? Right, So
I started thinking about how far can I go and entertainment?
And I see the real money isn't isn't in casting
put getting a great cast. You can have any show,
but the cast that's make the show successful, right right.
So I'm outside and with with people that I see

(01:05:15):
that potentially could be great cast. So that's the direction
where I want to go when that door closed. But
my main thing is and I just think it's sweet.
It's real estate. Ain't that Realatant? Real estate? Really? Ain't
nothing realatant real estate? You know? I think people always
gonna need somewhere to live, right, and then when that
person dies, someone else moving the house, right, So you

(01:05:37):
know the way the market is right now, you just
gotta capitalize, right, You just gotta network capitalized, find find
your way and believe in yourself and and bed on yourself. Right, Bro,
thanks for stopping by. I mean your story from where
you came, from your upbringing, trial, the tribulations that you

(01:05:58):
went through in the middle to where you came. I'm
gonna the other side. It's seeming lit with flying colors,
but we know there was a lot of hardship in
getting to where you are now. And you look at
what you've been able to do. You have a very
loving family, you have a thriving business, and it's still
onward and upwards. So I appreciate your story. Congrats on everything, bro, Yeah,
I appreciate it. I'll see you divor rope all right.

(01:06:20):
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