Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson are joined by some of the biggest names in boxing! Shakur Stevenson CALLS out Gervonta Davis and Lamon Roach Jr. wants to run it back with Tank ASAP
0:00 - What's next for Shakur Stevenson?
11:55 - Shakur's Top 5 boxers of all time
21:25 - Lamon Roach Jr. joins the show
30:30 - When's the rematch for Roach Jr. vs Davis
39:25 - Roach Jr. on taking time off after fights
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Yeah, well you definitely.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
And speaking of ad want okay, I'm gonna say, speaking
of what you want to be a comp I mean
be known for and that last fight being an indication
that you're well on your way.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
But what's next? Who's next?
Speaker 2 (00:15):
If if you had three fights lined up in no
particular order where you can continue to feel that dreaming
legacy of being one of the best lightweights that one
thirty five ever, who are the next?
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Who are the next three that you would like to fight?
Speaker 2 (00:29):
And I'm not saying call anybody out, I'm just saying
in general that you know that will continue to help
be of that legacy.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
No, I don't do it, don't do it.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
I think I'll take Tank Lamont light waight light weight.
I like, I like Andy Kluz. I like Andy Kluz.
I'm gonna so I like the best fights and the
best most competitive fights. So I think them guys is
more so than three most competitive guys.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
I think Tank is the money fight.
Speaker 5 (01:00):
I think that's the you know, not only would that
that help submit your legacy at the lightweight division, I
think that's the fight your court that's gonna pay you
the most money.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
M hm.
Speaker 6 (01:12):
He's a guy that everybody's been talking about for a
long time.
Speaker 5 (01:14):
So he has out power. It's gonna be his power
versus your skill.
Speaker 6 (01:21):
You know, it's crazy about that. This is no cap,
no cap.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
You know a lot of guys they're like, oh, he
did that against the pay that because the pay is
not a big puncher. I would rather fight a power
punching any day and fight that kind of.
Speaker 7 (01:35):
Value tell us, tell us why because after the fight,
my body was done, Like I done been in.
Speaker 6 (01:48):
There with power punchers to where it's like, you know, you.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Gotta think and get out the way and don't let
them lay in that big shot. But when you're fighting
a value punching, he punching on your arms, your body,
it's just very much like a fight, a big ass
fight to where it's like after the fight you need massages,
like it's a big fight on. I would rather fight
(02:14):
them guys any day.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Yeah, it's so funny. I like the three names that
you did call out about fighting. I think tank Is
is the money fight. But the fight that would interest
me the most based on skill set. You know, styles
make fights. The one I think would be the best
chess match. You know from round and round and both
of you. You know, it would be brother Roach, Brother,
(02:37):
brother Roach. I think to me, for those of us
that are not casual boxing fans and actually enjoy the
sweet science, I would love to watch that a fight
which you and Roach developed round by round and just
just just a thinking game and the chess match that
it would be based on y'all skill sets, But.
Speaker 6 (02:54):
I would love that fight.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
So I think that's the one of the fights to
make I think that Lema is very under rate. Yeah,
I'm glad that pugging it out about his skill set
because a lot of people don't realize how good he.
Speaker 6 (03:05):
Really is and own. You know, I appreciate Lamar too.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
He's one of the guys who came and helped me
in one of my biggest fights in my career when
my hos Val days. I made Lamar Roach my main's
farm partner, and he kind of got me thirty for
that fight.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
So you know, I'm real cool with him.
Speaker 6 (03:21):
I would love to fight him though.
Speaker 5 (03:22):
You know a lot of people think that Lamar actually
beat Tank in that fight.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
What do you think I do?
Speaker 6 (03:28):
I think Lama won. I think Lamar won seventy five
eighty four, even.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
Without them without a knockdown.
Speaker 6 (03:37):
Yeah, without the knockdown that should have been.
Speaker 5 (03:39):
Course, when you look, when you look and you look, look,
you're in that division of one thirty five. And as
I mentioned, there've been some great one thirty fighters, Roberto
the Ran, Sweetpee Whittaker, they like in Henry Armstrong and
there have been some great So when did you study
any of those uh uh Shahve Senior?
Speaker 4 (03:57):
Do you study any of those guys? Do you like?
Speaker 5 (03:59):
Do you understand like when you say I want to
be one of the all time greats and those guys had,
those guys had ninety one hundred fights. You're probably not
going to get to a one hundred fights. You're probably
hoping to get to like forty. But do you understand
that when you say I want to be an all
time great in this division? Some of the all time
greats that have been in that division.
Speaker 6 (04:19):
Yeah, it's very hard, it's a very hard thing to do.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
You gotta pay homage to the great Roberto Duran or
the great Panels, even Floyd when he when he had his.
Speaker 6 (04:32):
One thirty five run, he was a hell of with
one thirty five run.
Speaker 5 (04:35):
So Floord with four boys. People though at that weight.
People don't realize four had knock got power at them
light of weight at Go look at him against Gotti,
Go look at him and there some of those guys
he was what.
Speaker 6 (04:48):
For sure.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
I just feel like, man, I'm a competitor, bro. So
it's like I appreciate them guys. I pay how much
to them guys. But I'm not going nowhere anytime soon.
So and that way, I'm gonna be here and people
got to come through me. So now you got all
these young fighters, all these new fighters.
Speaker 6 (05:08):
That's coming around. I'm the man in the division, bro,
And like you're not taking nothing from me.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Bro, I've been here for too long. I've been doing
this just five years old. Bro, I'm going to be
the man and I'm coming to get my spot.
Speaker 8 (05:21):
I like it.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Hey, not as good as you've gotten from from a
skill from a skill set standpoint, obviously being able to
fight in the pocket, being able to fight mid range,
obviously being at distance, that's that's pretty easy for you
to be able to hit somebody at will.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
How do you continue to improve on your skill set?
Speaker 2 (05:38):
And are there any boxes that you watch right now
that you enjoy and kind of steal stuff?
Speaker 1 (05:43):
From them and.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Add it to your game or are you too far
into the game to do that?
Speaker 9 (05:47):
Well, no, you is never.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
Too far in the game to evolve and learn, bro,
Like you always got to be able to learn. But
like what you just said is how you kind of
get better. You got guys out here that's also evolved
in the game and getting better, like guys.
Speaker 6 (06:02):
Like oooh stick and be volved.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Yeah, I'm sitting back and I'm watching these guys and
trying to steal the little shit that they doing. So
I think that's how you get better. You just got
to keep watching and learning from people. Also keep watching yourself.
I think studying yourself is one of the underrated things
when it comes to.
Speaker 6 (06:22):
The sporter box. I think that's the way it got
my highest level.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Studying where I went wrong, going back to watch my
spring and watch my fight. When I watched my fight,
I see one hundred things that I did wrong, even
though the public felt like I did good. But for me, like,
I saw one hundred different things that I can't wait
to get back in the gym and work on.
Speaker 6 (06:39):
So that's my main goal, and I'm gonna keep evolving
your court.
Speaker 5 (06:45):
Do you think that as you start to get a
little older, you start to get at a little more
old man weight, you train a little harder, and you say,
I walk around at you know, probably one thirty eight
and then you go to one to go to the
one forties because do you feel you might have to
move up and wait to get that bigger payday? I
know Turkey Alaschk and Dana White is doing a great job.
(07:06):
They're trying to you know, ay, hey, we want the
big fights. We don't want nobody dunking nobody. You gotta belt,
he got a belt, get in there and you take
his belt and he take your belt. Do you feel
you might have to move up once you fight a
tank or you fighter Lamont, do you feel you might
have to move up to get these even bigger paydays.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
I won't move up with certain guys, Like I'm not
fighting guys thats just super bigger than me. But like
if it's a guy like Tia Femo who's closer to
the one forty weight class in the SiGe range, I
woul fight these guys. I don't try fighting the guys
on that one forty. I'm just not getting the rank
with people. That's way bigger than anywhere.
Speaker 5 (07:45):
They might wait one for it at the tipe of way,
but they wore fifty five one sixty at the night
of the fight.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
Huh.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
A lot of these guys, that's exactly what they do.
They want to be one sixty five come fight night.
And you and I'm match right like that shit just
don't be making said.
Speaker 5 (08:01):
It doesn't And when you look at it like you
said about Floyd, I believe, and a lot of not
to take. And Floyd had a supreme skill level. But
Floyd fought at one forty seven for the large part
of his career. Didn He ended up going up to
one fifty four to take Oscars belt. But Floyd walked
around at one fifty one fifty one, so it wasn't
nothing for him to like run a couple of miles
(08:22):
in two weeks. And Floyd's at one forty seven. He
wasn't a big man. He wasn't one sixty five, one
seventy trying to drop down to one forty seven, taxing
himself because he was such a smaller man.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
He lost nothing.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Yeah, you know what I was saying about whom though
when he fought them guys, he didn't put no rehab
dration clauses on them. He kind of allowed gods to
feel comfortable enough to fight him at whatever weight class.
Speaker 6 (08:51):
Like if we watched Canelo O versus Floyd, Canelo was
way biggest Yloy. He was huge, but at the end
of the day's skills paid the bill.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
So I respect Floyd for a lot of ship that
he didn't for the boxing man.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
The funny thing about it, especially when you talk about
the rehydration clause, and Floyd understood that, Okay, I'm not
gonna put one in for Canelo, but I understand I'm
gonna be able to outbox him, allow him, you know, rehydrate,
put the waterway back on, because you're going to be
that much slower, which is why he was able to
counter and hit hit Canelo at will. Obviously, people like
(09:26):
to say, oh, he was in this policy. He is
in the same Canelo he is now. And listen, if
they were to fight later on, like okay, no disrespect.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Fight now, it would be the same thing, but.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
Skillless Floyd fight. But you know, he's so much bigger.
Speaker 5 (09:39):
He's fighting at one sixty eight. Yeah, but Joe, if
he fight at one sixty eight, he taking advance in
the ring at one eighty five.
Speaker 8 (09:51):
Oh yeah, you.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Know, I'm I'm just saying from from a skill I
understand coming behind it, and the fact that the fact
that I just mentioned Canelo, I want to know what
you think about our brother, Bud Crawford and Canelo.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
That fight happened in September. What you think of what
you think about that.
Speaker 6 (10:07):
By the bad motherfucker.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Man, I think it's gonna be hard for anybody to
beat Budd Crawford. When Buddy Crawford is focused on his job.
I think he's one of the greatest fighters that I
have ever witnessed in my life. And I haven't seen
him in the gym. I have seen him come fight night.
This dude is just different. He's just he's not a normal.
Speaker 5 (10:31):
Bud the dog for real, Bud. Bud got got a
couple of screws loose.
Speaker 6 (10:36):
Yeah, for sure. I just seen his schools definitely get loose. Buddy.
Speaker 5 (10:44):
Oh Joe, you see the interview made Buddy and I said, hey,
I said, man, look here, man, I mess right to
mess your shoulders up. People gonna be mad at me
talking about I messed the coil. Budd Crawford fight up
man like a nice little hey, hey, s cour I
had it because he thinks he teaches you about it and
I run sed it and so I got him because
(11:05):
you know, ain't. I can't let that man have no distance,
have me locked up like Tommy Hearns had Martin.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
I used to be closed the distance. O't yoke.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Yeah, oh man, that's that's funny.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
So what so what's next? What's next for you? Shkur?
What what? What's next?
Speaker 5 (11:21):
You're gonna take you know, a couple of you got
another fight before the end of the year.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Out Now I'm gonna take some time off.
Speaker 9 (11:27):
You know what.
Speaker 6 (11:27):
That fight.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
A lot of people don't know this, but I wanted
that fight to be under the butt and Canelo undercar
I hurt my hands my last fight before that, and
they kind of forced the fight on me, and I
just accepted whatever they forced at that time. Well, I
just want to take a break for the rest of
(11:49):
the year and come back fresh early next year on
love my hands and coming and rest up.
Speaker 5 (11:56):
Let me ask you there, give me your top five
boxes of all time. It doesn't matter weight class, I mean,
if you want to, if you want to be specific
the class lightweight, super lightweight, welter, you know, middle super
middle whatever do you want? Junior middleweight? You know, well,
you know whatever. Give me your top five boxers.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
Number one, me, okay.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Number two, number three.
Speaker 6 (12:28):
Four, Andre number five.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
But Crawford the first thing you like? Defensive fighters?
Speaker 3 (12:36):
Huh yeah, for sure, that's that's the that's the goal.
Speaker 9 (12:41):
You know, you gotta.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
You gotta last in this for you know, guys going
to the hospital and they got brain dammits after the fighting.
They talking for years to come. So I like the
guys that's not talking for you. I like the guys
that can speak properly to you guys, tup you guys regularly.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Hey, he speaking of speaking of this, I'm glad Andre
Water is in your top five.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
Right.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
You know, I've been trying. I've been trying to fight
Dre for a little minute. You know, you think you
think you can make that happen. Speed up to expedite
the process of us getting in the ring.
Speaker 6 (13:11):
Yeah, I could definitely make that happen. But I don't know.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
If you don't, I do.
Speaker 6 (13:16):
That's what you want to do, man, I do?
Speaker 9 (13:18):
Hey, Hey, as.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Shir Cook, you you my dog, right, I didn't been
in the gym with you.
Speaker 6 (13:23):
I know.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
I listen, I know what you could do, and I've
been I've been watching for a very long time. And honestly,
no disrespect. I love andre but I beat his ass.
Speaker 9 (13:32):
Man.
Speaker 6 (13:32):
Come on, you know that's andre Ward. Bro.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, I know, I
know I may beat you right now.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
Yo.
Speaker 5 (13:38):
He ain'd been in the gym. He probably an't been
in the gym in years. He tell your ass up
right now.
Speaker 6 (13:44):
Last what like a couple of months ago, I just parted.
Speaker 9 (13:48):
Let him know.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
I'm ready, man, whatever you want to do, Hey, we
can go. We can go four round six rounds. I mean,
whatever you want to do. I make a light on
yourself because I mean.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
Why show y'all you're using sixteen hours gloves?
Speaker 6 (13:59):
Yeah, yeah we are.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
We can use twenties, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (14:04):
Yeah, but you need some pillows because he'll ump your
ass up with them ten hours gloves.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
And listen, I got d's like your core. You tripping, man,
I'm sure that's your core.
Speaker 5 (14:13):
Hey, get they get them training gloves, getting them winning
training gloves and sixteen twenty ounces.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
Because anything up in ten houns is man.
Speaker 5 (14:21):
Let me tell your ands up man with some air
lands or some rares gloves.
Speaker 4 (14:26):
Grant man, you you done.
Speaker 6 (14:30):
Heart a lot harder than you think.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Man, Yeah, I know, I know, I already know. I
didn't listen. I didn't seen your spa before we had
to fight. I forgot who was I went to one
of the sparring sessions.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
I know you know, not bitter.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
I'm bitter. Don't worry about it.
Speaker 5 (14:44):
Hey, oh Joe, you keep talking, then me and you
might have to do this. You know what I'm saying
on you. I don't would to have to do my
partner like this, but you know what I'm saying, I
might have to do something bad to it.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Listen. If you don't see me my awards, i'mna have
to put your hand in. I don't want to hurt you.
I don't want to hurt you.
Speaker 9 (15:02):
You up.
Speaker 6 (15:02):
I ain't gonna lie. I got ta version, I got tavers.
Speaker 7 (15:07):
You manhoe, he don't give me my he don't see
me my fifty two hundred.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
I thought only are you finish? I thought only nine hundred.
I'm gona see im, gonna see your money when you
send me my No.
Speaker 5 (15:24):
No, I'll tell you what I'm gonna beat it at you.
I will beat it at you. You won't give you
my money. I'm gonna do you like I would do
you like Steward did, Brian, where's my money?
Speaker 6 (15:38):
Where was from? I seens.
Speaker 5 (15:42):
That's the ever Last? Yeah, that's exactly, yes, yes, Bud,
wherever last?
Speaker 4 (15:54):
What?
Speaker 9 (15:54):
What like?
Speaker 4 (15:55):
What type of glove you wear? Are your core?
Speaker 7 (15:58):
I you wire whole?
Speaker 4 (16:03):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (16:03):
Right?
Speaker 5 (16:04):
I never heard of them? Does anybody? Does anybody wear
rays anymore?
Speaker 6 (16:10):
I just seen somebody in rays. I think it was
pack ye pay award them his last.
Speaker 5 (16:15):
Fright, Yeah, because I think you know, I think you
know obviously everlast grant a winning uh rails and you
mentioned rifle. I've never heard of that. I've never heard
of those gloves before. Oh Joe, these eight these right here.
Speaker 6 (16:29):
Cut It don't matter.
Speaker 8 (16:31):
And listen.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
They cut for an object that's not moving. It's different
when there's an object in front of you that's moving.
Speaker 10 (16:38):
Facts, King, I'm gonna stick that, I'm gonna do.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
I'm gonna do you just.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
I'm gonna do y'all, Tommy Herd and dead body.
Speaker 5 (17:02):
I'll tell you what, Joe, I'll box you for the
gloves if you beat me, you get my gloves.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
M I don't want them gloves.
Speaker 6 (17:10):
I want to jab jab though.
Speaker 5 (17:15):
Hey, you gotta snap that thing out there like a
last See some people use that jab as a founder.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
They ain't trying to do no damage.
Speaker 5 (17:22):
They just trying to see, okay, how far then I
can throw this right. But see I'm trying to snap
that thing bam like Lenny Lewis. No, Lenny Lewis had
a nice jam. Larry Holmes had a tremendous jaz what.
Speaker 6 (17:36):
I want to see your jab though, let me see
your jab.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
So in that jab U with that thing. I'm quick
with that thing as you court.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Hey, hey, I'm finna, I'm finla parodydict.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Come right back with something.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
Man, Hey, I don saw you. I saw you. Your
reflecting as fast as you thinking now, no no, no.
Speaker 5 (18:04):
No, no no no.
Speaker 6 (18:06):
See that's the funny thing.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
If everybody want to go back to when I fought
my young bull Brian Maxwell in the ring, that's different.
Speaker 9 (18:14):
Now.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
You gotta understand I didn't been in the ring now
five years after that, so I looked.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
I look nothing like that.
Speaker 5 (18:19):
That's why I'm cour you could take sparring is different
than actually fighting, and you got to fight. It's just
like track and field. You could practice all you want to,
but you gotta get racist under your belt. You gotta
get in the ring. You gotta get rounds and not
all that speedbag and all that mints and stuff.
Speaker 4 (18:39):
Nah, you ain't did that.
Speaker 9 (18:41):
That don't mean mm hmmm.
Speaker 4 (18:43):
I know.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
I know one thing. I got two people on my
hit list.
Speaker 5 (18:47):
Oh James Harrison, I'm gonna beat his ass, Andre Warfen
to get his work.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
And anybody else that won't smoke after that, matter of fact,
your core, you could get it to start back.
Speaker 6 (19:00):
I ain't gonna lie. I already told you this last
time I saw you. Don't do it.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
Don't do it is something, give about fifty hundred out
of it.
Speaker 6 (19:10):
I'm telling you this is hey.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Whenever you hey, whenever you want to get back in
the gym, you let me know how you gonna get me.
Speaker 6 (19:17):
Huh, how many runs you gonna give me?
Speaker 1 (19:19):
I can't go past eight, I give you.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
I give a strong eight four minutes, four minute around
thirty second rest.
Speaker 6 (19:26):
I'm betting you ain't making it. Eight run.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
I bet eight round with thirty rests.
Speaker 9 (19:33):
Got car.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
I been training in the past four.
Speaker 6 (19:38):
Yeah, you're gonna take what I'm a dude.
Speaker 4 (19:40):
You ain't with Boot.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
With Boot, I don't my affiliate with Boots. That's that's
what we had to do.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
That's what Bull He had.
Speaker 6 (19:48):
Me doing tabarim eight four minute rounds.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
No, I only got four in. I only did foe.
Speaker 6 (19:53):
Actually, that's why I'm trying to tell you this.
Speaker 9 (19:54):
It did.
Speaker 6 (19:55):
Ain't no way you gonna ate with me. I'm telling
you get it.
Speaker 5 (19:58):
Get my fifty nine hundred dollars out.
Speaker 6 (20:00):
Of you think you think ships sweet? Huh, I know
you can't go eight with me. Bro that ship.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
Hey, and don't hit him. Don't hit him.
Speaker 5 (20:11):
Don't hit him in his face because I need his eyes,
I need to be able to read the prompter.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
But just tear his body up.
Speaker 6 (20:18):
Let me tell you, I'm not gonna hit him in
the finish. I'm gonna his body.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
That's what I do, making making peel on himself.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
I'm gonna be I'm gonna be tough.
Speaker 6 (20:28):
I'm ready.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
I'm ready to all that.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Man, I'm gonna be tough.
Speaker 6 (20:31):
Okay to the side.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
That's what I want. That's what I like to see.
That's what I like to see. Your court. That's what
I'm talking about.
Speaker 5 (20:38):
Oh you're gonna have what depends on none of his trunks?
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Oh man, he well, but all jokes inside. Man, you
put on an F and box.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
Amazing.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
I want to tell you congratulations on that, man and
shutting up all these doubters and all of the haters.
Not then gonna find something else to come up with.
They're gonna find something else to come up with, and
you're gonna probably gonna answer those questions too.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
Man.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
I just want to tell you congratulations on one hell
of a goddamn fight in career so far.
Speaker 6 (21:09):
I appreciate y'all.
Speaker 5 (21:10):
I appreciate you, math Core, Thanks for your time, man, congratulations,
enjoy the rest of the year.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
Off.
Speaker 5 (21:15):
Hey, we'll see you. We'll see your early. I guess
early in twenty twenty six and come back and enjoin
us when you got some time.
Speaker 4 (21:21):
Bro. Appreciate you.
Speaker 5 (21:23):
I appreciate it, all right, Bro, have a good week joining
us now. Fought to a majority draw Saturday night. It
doesn't look like he's too pleased with that, and there
are a lot of people on social media that actually.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
Thought he won that fight.
Speaker 5 (21:38):
Joining us Lamart Roach Junior Lamont, how you doing bro.
Speaker 8 (21:43):
So man, I'm good man. Thanks for having me. I
feel real good.
Speaker 5 (21:47):
No, thanks for having thanks for joining us, take us
through Saturday night. You go into that fight, you move
up five pounds, you're one thirty five, and you move
up and you feeling I mean, everybody's that man ain't no,
he got no change dance.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
Tank told you a couple of days earlier.
Speaker 5 (22:02):
He goes, hey, you're not going the distance, y'all shake
for a little with two fifty.
Speaker 4 (22:06):
Whatever the case may be. You go into that fight.
Speaker 5 (22:09):
You know, Tank's a slow starter, builds up as the
fight progresses, know, he's trying to land, hook to the body,
come up top with it. What was your process? What
were going into that fight? How did you want to fight?
And did the fight turn out the way you thought
it would well?
Speaker 8 (22:25):
Honestly, yeah, the fight. The fight went exactly how we
planned it to go, honestly. You know, uh, we're familiar
with him, We've been familiar with him. We just knew
it was a matter of time for everything to fall
into play. And back to the whole everybody not giving
me a shot, saying I'm gonna get knocked out and
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all this and all that I know what I'm capable of,
and I know what I could do. Like they just
in the nutshell they had they had me totally messed up.
And especially when he bet me saying he's gonna stop me?
What do?
Speaker 9 (23:00):
What do?
Speaker 8 (23:01):
I told him himself, I said, you tripping? I said,
I don't know what got into your head these last
couple of minutes, few day, whatever occasion on you tripping.
You know you're not gonna do that, dude. I don't
know why I told him that. I know you know
you're not gonna do that. Cut it out.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Yeah, Hey, listen, when you talk about you're very familiar
with him, and I understand you and your team. You
went into the fight with a game plan. Is it
familiarity the fact that you guys probably trained together in
the past, or you've been in camp together in the past,
you sparred together.
Speaker 9 (23:31):
Is that why you were so familiar?
Speaker 2 (23:32):
And whatever game plan your team did have and we're
able to execute, is that why it went so well?
Speaker 8 (23:38):
I mean, yeah, one of it's one of the many
reasons why I went so well. Even though we were kids.
You know, some of them traits, characteristics and just ways
of a man like grew with him. Yeah, so you
know some of the some of the like some of
the dirty tactics. I knew that he'd, you know, revert
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to that when that pressure built up, when somebody that
was there wasn't scared of him, when somebody was there
that was there to return fire. And you know what
I'm saying, he ain't been in the ring in his
professional career. He hasn't been in the ring with something
like that or something like accountaboy, what I got right?
Speaker 2 (24:17):
So what I thought obviously watching the fight, and when
I look at all his tape fights, most of the
time obviously he starts slow and then round five six
he starts to pick it up a little bit, and
by the time as he's picking it up, normally his
opponent in deteriorating the conditioning where supposed to be. But
I'm looking at you. They get the round six and
seven and he coming forward and you ain't even you
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not even moving. So at that point, y'all mid range
and you sitting in the pocket.
Speaker 9 (24:42):
And most of the time.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
When he hits somebody, they retreat, but you get you
took one to give one.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
I'm like what he boy, he boy, going at.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
It I'm like, so, did the power not affect you
in any way where you didn't really care? We just
sat in the pocket with him in exchange because most
of the time, I mean, you.
Speaker 8 (25:01):
Got to be cautious.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
You got to be cautious because when throwing punches, you
know you got a chance to get hit, you know,
when you're letting go. Did you not care at all?
Or did you feel his power early? In really one
word about it.
Speaker 8 (25:13):
So it wasn't that I wasn't I wasn't caring this.
I was cautious, Like you said, I was cautious. But
the but the defense, the defense is there, and the
confidence was was through the roof, and I got a change.
You keep a spade to spade, like you know what
I'm saying, Like, I see why he knocks people out. Yeah,
I'm not gonna say the power is overrated. But I've
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been in there with guys who could punch. I mean,
like with guys who can punch, so it's like it's
it's nothing. It was nothing new to me. I've been
in there with middleweight champions. I've been in there with
junior middleweight champions. I mean like as they were champion
in their prime and stuff like that. So it's like,
you know what I'm saying, like I was confident and
what I could do defensively, and if I get hit,
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I know, I know I was giving right back.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
So listen, in the night around, I'm sorry, you know,
I you know, I get excited about I don't mean
to take over. Listen, hey, young boy. And in the
ninth round, you know, Jamonte took a knee. Obviously there's
some controversy behind that. It wasn't rule and knockdown by
the referee. I've never seen that ever.
Speaker 9 (26:15):
And then my.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Years of watching a you know, watching boxing and enjoying
the sport of combat sports in general, did that moment
impact your strategy for the remainder of the fight.
Speaker 8 (26:25):
I'm gonna say no, And let me tell you why.
The simple fact that he took the knee is is
it was really a boost because it's like, all right,
it's all right, what we're doing is working. We know
that he's looking for something. It should have been a
knock down one. So that's why I'm yelling at the
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referee like keep counting, like you tripping, keep counting. That's
a knockdown. Because if y'all didn't notice he started to count.
He started to count, he did, and then he starts
he stopped. Okay, So so when we when he resumed
the action, I'm like, what you're doing? Keep counting like
you can't do that? So and then it wasn't even
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registering or processing through my mind the other rules to
the simple fact that he could have got disqualified for
having his corner come up to the ring and assist
him doing the round, or or he can't turn his
back on the like doing the that's cause for that's
that's the wave at all. He took a knee and
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then turned around and went to the corner breadthor usually turning, turn,
turn or stop the fight. Oh ain't.
Speaker 9 (27:40):
I ain't know that.
Speaker 5 (27:42):
I'm watching you a lot of times when when people
hit Tank, like Oyo was saying, they retreat, But it
seemed like you had a strategy like if he hit me,
I'm gonna hit his ass back just as hard as
many times as he hit me. And I don't think
he expected you to return the kind of fire that
you returned because you wabbed him a couple of times.
And I'm not so sure that I've seen Tank wobble,
like when you called him a couple of times and
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you was getting through the guard. I mean, hey, normally
a southball fighter that lead right is a home run
right down and is right down Broad Street.
Speaker 4 (28:10):
And you kept touching him with it.
Speaker 8 (28:12):
For sure. Uh, it was one of the it was
one of the many things that we trained for.
Speaker 6 (28:16):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (28:17):
Obviously he happy go lucky with his left and been
working for his whole career. He's been knocking these dudes out.
So you know, we've been training, We've been sitting on
the left being able to working on counter and working
on you know, being able to block and come back.
And we had some pretty fast guys and then we
had some pretty strong guys that I had to you know,
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uh switch rounds with every like you know, every spawn chest.
So you know, we was ready. We was prepared. And
like you said, them dudes wasn't really really cracking him back,
and I was really throwing that fire at him, and
the accuracy is was really probably pissed him off too.
And the fact that I was busy, it's like all
this ain't stopping.
Speaker 5 (29:01):
Yeah, I thought you did an unbelievable job of keeping
the pace up, like Ocho said, he's a guy that
likes to start slow, so he have some energy reserved.
So when he comes out from five through twelve, he's like,
I got a lot left. I know, I ain't really
spent no gas. Hey, I've just been coas and now
I've been on electric mode. Now I got this fire,
got this gas in the tank. I'm in the unleash.
But it meant you met fire with fire when And
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I've heard Floyd say that, like when he went into
a fight, he never watched tape on the guy that
he was fighting. He left that up to his corner
to watch the fight and then tell him instructions. He
would take all that information and then once he got
into the ring, blah blah blah.
Speaker 4 (29:40):
Do you watch fight?
Speaker 5 (29:41):
Do you when you going against a fighter, do you
watch them or you leave that up to your corner
to watch and then give you an instruction of what
you should do.
Speaker 8 (29:47):
Don't watch them a lot. I'm just so, I'm just
so happened to be a boxing fan that the fact
that I do watch him fight, you know what I'm saying,
Like I really like boxing. He's just somebody to watch.
He inspected greet knockout on this skilled guy, like one
of the one of the better pound for pound fighters.
I like watching good fights, so I do know some
of his tendencies. But to study him, uh not really,
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I left it up to my dad. But one time,
one day, like one day in camp, we did sit
down and watch a few of his fights back to back.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
Mmkay, hey, listen, Tank Tank his publicly express interest obviously
in a rematch.
Speaker 9 (30:26):
You want a rematch as well? Are you open to.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
Immediate rematch or do you have a you don't need
a tune up? Do you have a tune up fight
just to just to keep yourself going?
Speaker 8 (30:37):
Do y'all y'all run it right media? Immediate and just
to let y'all know, like in my contract, immediate rematch
was signed. I signed for the immediate rematch when I
signed for the first fight, just in case he lost
or just in case it was a draw, so they
put that clause in it. They put a rematch clause
in it, so I already signed the rematch close.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Okay, So when you got a rematch clause, how we
taken How long is the break before you start training again?
Speaker 9 (31:02):
Is it? Is it six months from now?
Speaker 8 (31:04):
Is as that was up to the in side and
when they want to fight. So I'm thinking it's gonna
be soon. I'm hoping it's gonna be soon. Let's say that.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
I mean, I'm saying from a boxing standpoint, as a boxer,
what is soon to you?
Speaker 9 (31:17):
I mean when you say soon to me, I'm thinking
a month.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
I know that I'll think.
Speaker 8 (31:24):
I'm thinking July. I'm thinking okay.
Speaker 5 (31:29):
But if I'm not, if I'm not mistaken, Lamar, I
think I read something that he reached out to Loma
Chinko's side and see if they were interested.
Speaker 4 (31:38):
Did you see did you read that?
Speaker 9 (31:39):
Also?
Speaker 8 (31:39):
Did you see that? But he can't he gotta he
can't believe everything you see. Uh and if it is,
if it is true, then you know that would be funny.
But I'm pretty sure the rematch happens, and I'm pretty
sure that's the next fight for both of us.
Speaker 5 (31:52):
M hmm, Well, let me ask you this. Would you
be interested? Go ahead, I'm just would you be interested
in fighting Lomo? Or to your female low paid.
Speaker 8 (32:00):
Course or me? Hold up chair?
Speaker 5 (32:03):
Up chair, Hey, put Paul's on it.
Speaker 8 (32:08):
Hey, Chad? Hey, if I don't know, if you've seen
me fight Saturday, I really do this.
Speaker 9 (32:12):
Yeah, I would, there, I would. I listened. I've been
studying you for years. Okay, I can listen. Listen. I
don't have the time, but I.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Could tell your tendencies right now round one through seven. Okay,
So if we was getting there and SPA right now,
I can tell you what you're gonna do by looking
at your feet when you when you when you.
Speaker 9 (32:31):
Got your hand down by your hip already and you.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
Stepped forward, You're gonna faink. You know it ain't the keys.
Speaker 9 (32:38):
Listen. I've been studying you. I know you. So if
you want to SPA at any point, if you get
ready for the.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
Next fight, I think I've seen you work yourself.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, I got hands, ain't.
Speaker 4 (32:48):
Got no power. He got pillows, he got you, ain't
got no lamon.
Speaker 9 (32:54):
Listen, they.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
Hey lamar where I'm from? They called me hello hand Yeah,
they called me headlands. But listen. Reflecting on your performance
right in that fight, bro, I don't know, your game
plan was phenomenal.
Speaker 9 (33:09):
Everything you did you executed from round one all the
way to twelve.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
After you have a fight like that and you put
on a show like that, what aspects.
Speaker 9 (33:21):
I mean like what's how many? How do you improve
off of that?
Speaker 2 (33:25):
Because if you would have grade your performance that night,
you get an A plus. So when you go back,
what do you go back and work on after putting
on a goddamn show like that?
Speaker 8 (33:34):
Man? Just just just going on. See my thing is,
I always want to get better all the time, no
matter if I do have a good performance or not.
I just go back and I watch the tape and
see what what he do. Obviously, if whatever he come
with the next one that we just gotta still capitalize.
We're gonna add too. What worse if it ain't if
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it ain't broke, don't fix. But we're gonna just we're
gonna add to it. We're gonna build. We're gonna build.
We're gonna build. I might try to, you know, pick
it up so we can see if we can get that.
Stop at Joe. Now you know what I'm saying. Never No,
that's how you capitalize. Hey, that's how yeah?
Speaker 9 (34:08):
Yeah, yeah, Well your condition was on point bro.
Speaker 8 (34:12):
Oldo fifteen year old fight over here, man, real for sure?
I was in camp fourteen.
Speaker 7 (34:20):
Rounds wait with time and no time with time for sure?
Speaker 9 (34:25):
What time? Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, ok okay, okay, okay.
You know I did twenty two rounds.
Speaker 8 (34:30):
No clock sah, we're gonna get you in camp. Maybe
you can get me ready for the rematch.
Speaker 9 (34:36):
Ay, matter of fact, bring me the camp. I ain't
gonna charge I ain't. I ain't gonna charge you. I
you are you?
Speaker 4 (34:42):
Four rounds.
Speaker 9 (34:43):
I let somebody else go forward and not come back.
Speaker 8 (34:44):
For another exchange.
Speaker 4 (34:45):
No robbery.
Speaker 8 (34:46):
I like that, all right.
Speaker 5 (34:48):
Bet man Lamar, Will you put Pauls on the game.
Don't beat him up too bad because I need it.
I need it for night camp. I wanted to come back.
Talk about slurring. I don't want him to come back.
Speaker 8 (34:59):
He's gonna be I think it gonna be all right.
Speaker 5 (35:01):
Don't you getting body blows? Don't don't hit anybody's head.
You can't body blows.
Speaker 9 (35:06):
I'm good, I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. My defense,
My defense is my offense.
Speaker 4 (35:09):
I ain't gonna get it.
Speaker 5 (35:11):
A lot of times when guys win and they get
a rematch, they're like, well, I don't have anything to
improve a pun and they run into a problem because
you had a draw. Can you go back and say,
you know what in this situation here, I should have
did this instead of that, and I might have been
able to land something. Is that how you go back
and approach the fight because you didn't get to win,
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and so you're like, well, I didn't get to win.
I didn't lose technically, but I didn't win either. And
I think as a fighter, you know, draws and times
that ain't what we do it for. We want to
be winning. We want to be on the top spot.
And because you didn't land on the top spot, you
feel that, you know what, go back and watch this
fight through twelve rounds. Maybe if I pick it up
through the first three or four rounds, maybe that's a
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round or two that I win. And we don't even
have this discussion at the end because it looked like
they gave you round twelve.
Speaker 4 (35:59):
Had you not won round twelve, he would have won the.
Speaker 8 (36:02):
Just sad honestly, so to me, I thought I wanted
to fight. Clearly, I thought I want a close fight.
I thought I want a very competitive fight. I'm not
saying I steamrolled them or whatever, but to me, I
think I want to fight now. Granted, ninth round should
have been called a knockdown two judges on the official
score cards gave him the round ten to nine. If
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that was a knockdown, I went around ten eight. That's
a three point swing. I would win a unanimous decision.
So you gotta take all of that into account. It's
three ways that It's three things that could have happened
in that ninth round alone with that knee, it could
have been a ten eight round scored a knockdown, could
have been a disqualification, or I could have won by tkm. So, honestly,
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when you look at that and you say I got
a draw against the number one spectacle in America, a
pound pound talent and a guy with a ninety knockout ratio,
look at it and like, Okay, if you got to draw,
more than likely youse was to win that night. So
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even though I didn't get to win, I'm not a
moral victory guy. I'm pissed that I didn't win. Honestly, right, exactly,
I pissed that I didn't win. But I really think
that that I should have. A lot of people think
that I should have, and the rematch is just gonna
make it worse for him because I gotta rip it up.
Like you said, I gotta do something. I gotta do something.
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I gotta pick it up somewhere to turn this around
and make it a victory for me.
Speaker 5 (37:44):
Lament, you're moving up from super feiatherweight to lightweight. Were
you a trade that moving up might rob you or
some of the pot because that's you know, normally guys
that move up they lose some of the steam. Were
you concerned about that? Are you gonna stay? Are you
gonna st and super fail? Or are you looking to
move up to maybe.
Speaker 4 (38:02):
Go one thirty five one for even higher?
Speaker 6 (38:04):
No.
Speaker 8 (38:05):
One, thing that one thirty five gave me is a
lot more thing. I ain't allow five best pounds I
had to lose.
Speaker 4 (38:11):
So uh so what do you normally walk around at Lamont?
Speaker 6 (38:15):
Normally?
Speaker 5 (38:16):
Uh?
Speaker 8 (38:16):
I want to say fifty fifty, especially if I'm in
the gym. Now, No, No, I walk around like one
fifty uh somewhere around one one forty nine on a
good day. If I'm on vacation, I don't get no
higher than fifty five.
Speaker 5 (38:29):
So okay, okay, So you so I think that works.
I think that's one of the things that helped Floyd
Mayweather because Floyd is not a naturally big man. So
it was easy for him to stay at one forty
seven because Florida only walking around it like what begin with,
So he goes for six eight weeks, he lose five pounds.
That's its sweet spot for sure. Sure, And that's another
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thing with you. It's not like you're walking around one
sixty five, one sixty one sixty five and you got
to strip down thirty five thirty pounds. You only having
to come down teen, maybe even fifteen pounds out of max.
So that's a lot, that's not that's not that drastic
where you see these guys have to go through this
massive dehydration in order to make weight because man, you
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keep doing that fluctuaight in your body, Man, it takes
something out.
Speaker 8 (39:17):
Of here, and it takes a toll on you for sure.
Speaker 9 (39:20):
Hey listen, after a fight like this, how much time
do y'all take off?
Speaker 2 (39:25):
Like I mean, before you get back in and gradually
just start building yourself back, not only in the shape,
but just making sure you don't lose that rhythm and consistency.
Speaker 8 (39:35):
It's tough, man, especially how boxing is today. That's more
so like a personal So me personally, I don't like
being out the gym too long. I get cussed out
by my doctor because he tells me to take a break,
you know what I'm saying. So and I understand, because
your body do need to heal rest. I've been through
an eight week training camp and then went through a
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hard twelve round fight. So you know, you know, to
get your body together, take some time off because when
you peak, when you peak, and you peak at the
right time, and I think I peaked at the perfect
time on Saturday night, it's you know, it depletes you.
So I get a little rest. I get a little rest,
probably like two weeks, and I want to be back
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in the gym one because I probably get you heavy
and I'm like, I don't feel I don't feel right right,
I'll be bored. I normally be in the gym.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
So that's right where we where you live at, what's
stay in DC?
Speaker 9 (40:34):
Okay, okay, I make a little trip down there.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
Man, whenever you get back in the gym and you
want to start a sparring, I'm gonna come down there.
Speaker 9 (40:41):
And I got I gotta.
Speaker 8 (40:42):
Little I got a bad man, Chad.
Speaker 9 (40:44):
I don't know, I know, I know I'm a bad
man too.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
That's what my teacher called me when I as I
got a little better for you. Right, we're gonna do
eight rounds.
Speaker 8 (40:51):
Right, We're gonna do eight rounds.
Speaker 9 (40:52):
You get Yeah, we're gonna do eight. Yeah, if you can,
if you can beat.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
Me at least four rounds, you know, Lebron James, he
just scored fifty thousand points, right, he said, he sent
me the ball.
Speaker 9 (41:06):
If you can beat me, if you can win more
rounds than me. I seen this ball he gave me.
Speaker 8 (41:12):
Right now, we're gonna set that up.
Speaker 4 (41:16):
You gonna take that ball.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
Get that ball, okay, right on top of the bell.
Speaker 9 (41:23):
Okay, matter of fact, I'm gonna make it easy for you.
I'm only using my jab Mann.
Speaker 8 (41:27):
You giving you give it, you're giving it away.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
Nah, I mean, listen, I can I can take it.
I'm doing I still win. That's what I do.
Speaker 8 (41:34):
I told you they you're giving the prize away.
Speaker 4 (41:36):
Lebron.
Speaker 8 (41:37):
Ain't gonna like that.
Speaker 9 (41:39):
Oh no, you ain't gonna get that.
Speaker 2 (41:40):
You think I'm you think I'm gonna lose you and
and lose that ball.
Speaker 3 (41:46):
Is a lot.
Speaker 5 (41:47):
Hey let me let me let me ask you this
a little bit after the tank fight, who would you
like to fight out the fight after Tank. Are you
gonna stay? Are you gonna go? Are you gonna stay?
If you if you go back, if you rematch, you
beat Tank at one thirty five, Are you gonna stay
at one thirty five or slide back down to one
thirty or go up even to one forty.
Speaker 8 (42:07):
It depends on what's available. If the champions at thirty
five are available, I want to fight them. I want
to unify. Obviously, that's good for my career. It's like
legacy fights. And on top of that, they big money
fights money if they're not If they're not available, I
will go definitely defend my title at thirty and probably
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try to unify there because I can make thirty comfortably
and I feel like I run that division like I
probably can even go undisputed if they let me.
Speaker 5 (42:40):
Because I'm Lama being a student of the game. I
know you heard your dad. You weren't around there, but
I know your dad has told you of whomever in
your corner about the Four Kings. Hearns Hagler, Durant, Leonard
and how they fought each other and all the top contenders,
and that they fought you go back to the seventies.
Speaker 4 (43:01):
You look at the heavyweights. They fought.
Speaker 5 (43:04):
Norton fought our Lee, he fought Fraser, he fought for
He fought Shavers, he fought our Lee, Nobody Duck. Why
is it now, Lamont that we have guys and they
want a cherry pick and don't want to take it.
Seemed like, and I love Floyd, but Floyd that fifty
and oh, because nobody wants to take an ass whipping
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now because now they feel like my legacy is ruined.
Speaker 4 (43:29):
I lost the fight some of the great fighters.
Speaker 5 (43:32):
We don't look at our Lee because he lost three
or four times, even when he looked bad fighting Trevor Bourberck,
Alar Holmes. We don't hold that against him. We don't
hold against Leonard. We don't hold against Haighlu, We don't
hold against Hearns. We don't hold against nobody. I don't know,
and I hate that. I love Floyd and I'm glad
he's undefeated, But everybody thinks, now, if I be undefeated,
I'm gonna be revered like Floyd, and it's not gonna happen.
Speaker 8 (43:54):
It ain't. Floyd's one of a kind fighter, man. Yeah,
even if a lot of people do go undefeated and
retire undefeated. It's not gonna be the same. Uh. And
it's not gonna be the same because Floyd put it
in his work. Floyd fought them guys when when he
was able to and stuff. Like everybody, he fort them
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guys and he earned the right to fight who he
wanted to, when he wanted to, whatever the case may be.
He that's that's just a once in a lifetime fighter.
I don't know why the guys are not. I wotn't.
Maybe I do. I'm gonna give you a little scoop.
These guys are worried about the money that they can make.
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If they told you if they still have an O
on their record, they think that a blemish would knock
down the value of their whatever they have in their
contract or whatever they have presented to them, which is,
you know, crazy to me. I think, if you put
on a good enough fight, no matter if you win
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or lose, the performances what matters. And it's really what matters.
So people want to pay to see you fight. If
you fight the good fights, that's what that's.
Speaker 4 (45:11):
What they're gonna pay.
Speaker 8 (45:12):
Says, They're gonna pay to see it. That's why pay
per view numbers used to be so high because people
are gonna pay. They want to see certain fights. They
want to see them fights.
Speaker 5 (45:21):
Look at Mickey, look at Mickey, Warden Arturo got it.
That was jam Pat Low didn't matter. People still pay
big money to see that because they know they were
gonna get action. But now Lamont guys like you know what, Yeah,
if I foult Lamont, I can make fifteen mil. But
if I fight this guy that I know I can whip,
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I can make ten. So why take the chance for
extra five when I can get this can over here
and I can whip.
Speaker 9 (45:47):
It for ten?
Speaker 5 (45:47):
So I just give me a couple, I give me
five or ten. I'll give me five or ten d
ten million dollar fight. Why would I need to take
a risk for two of those big fights?
Speaker 4 (45:55):
But I ain't gonna do that.
Speaker 2 (45:57):
But then you gotta think about that Lama I told
on Go Tonight talked about this too.
Speaker 4 (46:01):
Right.
Speaker 2 (46:02):
Not only do certain people not want to take risks,
but you want to build it up until you get
to the really, really good fight. So if you got
like you talk about the folk kings back then, back
in the day, right and today's if you got the
best boxes, right, and if all the best boxes fight
each other right now and not have fight out the
fight out the fight and actually you build it so
people want to actually actually want to watch and you
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can maximize your pay.
Speaker 9 (46:26):
That's a little different.
Speaker 2 (46:27):
Think about how long before Earl and Bud actually for
Look how long it took.
Speaker 9 (46:32):
Look how many fights they had because they was a
build up to it.
Speaker 2 (46:35):
So from that standpoint, I kind of get it and
understand you want to maximize your pay. You also nobody
want to lose, but at some point they ain't gonna
have no choice but to fight each other time.
Speaker 9 (46:48):
You got to be right.
Speaker 4 (46:50):
But think about it, and Lama, you know this.
Speaker 5 (46:52):
Sugar Raight went the one sixty the flight higher, Burst
went up, He didn't come down. They went them they
did because they very similar. One thirty one thirty five.
They went up to clar Sugar Ray was one forty seven,
went to one sixty. Packler Herris with one forty seven
went to one sixty.
Speaker 8 (47:13):
You're definitely right about that.
Speaker 4 (47:15):
That's middleweight and Ray Ray and.
Speaker 8 (47:18):
Durant started at thirty five. So yeah, one of the
best light ways to ever do it.
Speaker 5 (47:29):
Yeah, a lot of a lot of those guys started. Yes,
a lot of those guys started there a uh O.
Speaker 11 (47:34):
Joe thirty thirty five, fort Floyd thirty thirty five, forty
forty seven, and fort for uh uh de la Hoya
at fifty four mm hmm, yeah, oh yeah, a lot
of them guy.
Speaker 5 (47:46):
Yeah, and had Pop Pacquia the novel the paqu yall
started at once one six and blew through and blew
through everything.
Speaker 8 (47:55):
Oh eight division champion and knocking.
Speaker 5 (47:58):
Yeah, you're not gonna see that. You even when you
look at Armstrong, you look at all those guys, nobody's
doing this again. Nobody's gonna do that.
Speaker 4 (48:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (48:06):
I mean basically you'd have to start it saying you'd
have to start in like one forty and go to
heavyweight to try to clean out of everything house. And
that ain't That has not happening at all. I mean
Roy come ye, Roy went from sixty sixty eight cent.
Speaker 8 (48:22):
Ten years straight Middlewaywe Roy.
Speaker 5 (48:25):
Was if Roy had had Roy just stayed there and
not script the muscle that he put on to go
to heavy because I think that took a lot out
of him, That took too much out of him. He
probably should have stayed. He probably should have never come
back down or just took his time. But Roy won
the title, couldn't get nobody else to fight, gave the
title up and came back down, and he wasn't the
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same after Tarboro beat him that one time. He was
never the same because he got started getting beat by
fighters that Roy. Roy would have marked the floor inside
of five rounds with him. Yeah, so what's the next tank?
I mean, I'll excuse me, what's next to all of
my what's next after after this tank? After this tank fight?
You say you want to fight whoever the big money
fight is? Who Ate Lomokill Femo handed Garcia?
Speaker 4 (49:10):
Who else?
Speaker 9 (49:11):
One?
Speaker 8 (49:11):
Thirty five right now? Keshan Davis and Loma chink Okay,
that's that's that's who we're gonna be looking at after
you know what I'm saying, After after I be tanked,
after I be tanking and rematch, uh, you know them
guys ain't available, then we're gonna go to thirty and
defend my one hundred and thirty pound championship.
Speaker 2 (49:34):
So listen, out of those three you just name, who
would you prefer to fight first? If you can't get
all three? If if you had a preference.
Speaker 8 (49:40):
If I had a preference, I don't really got a
preference I want I would, I would put a blindfold
on it. Pick whichever one. It don't matter.
Speaker 6 (49:48):
Whatever I'm talking.
Speaker 4 (49:50):
They tell them whoever want disass, that's what I disass.
Speaker 8 (49:54):
Sure.
Speaker 5 (49:56):
As a matter of fact, I tell you what. I
tell you what Lomo, you gonna get it first, So
you're gonna get it after I get tanked. When I
get tanked, I'm gonna get you at the first year. Hey,
s your core. I'm gonna come see.
Speaker 4 (50:06):
You in July.
Speaker 5 (50:07):
Hey, Keith, Sean David. Hey, at the end of the
year or twenty seven, I got your I got you.
Speaker 8 (50:12):
Asked with you sound good to me? He am me,
sound real good.
Speaker 4 (50:18):
Hey man, I appreciate it. Congratulations, great fight.
Speaker 5 (50:22):
It wasn't the outcome that you had hoped for because
you trained for eight weeks, had a great camp, and.
Speaker 4 (50:27):
You put the time in to win. It didn't go
his way.
Speaker 5 (50:29):
But who knows what's gonna happen July August when the
next fight come around. Wish you the best and guess what,
come back and join us again when the fight happens,
and all we'll see what happens after that Lamar.
Speaker 8 (50:40):
Appreciate, appreciate, I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (50:42):
All right, I'm gonna se I'm gonna see in.
Speaker 8 (50:44):
Dcent, no doubt, get my contact. We bring you out
for sure.
Speaker 5 (50:48):
All right, hey body, because you need to talk, you know. Yeah,
that's what I want you to do. Yeah, yeah, that's
what I want do. That what I want to do.
Speaker 8 (50:59):
Here went away, Yeah, I got I make sure we
have it on the nightcap.
Speaker 4 (51:03):
That's what I need you to do. Record all right,
all right, all right, appreciate that.
Speaker 8 (51:07):
LE have good Thank you all man. Mhm mm hmmm.
Yeah, well you definitely.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
And speaking of ad want okay, I'm gonna say, speaking
of what you want to be a comp I mean
be known for and that last fight being an indication
that you're well on your way.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
But what's next? Who's next?
Speaker 2 (00:15):
If if you had three fights lined up in no
particular order where you can continue to feel that dreaming
legacy of being one of the best lightweights that one
thirty five ever, who are the next?
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Who are the next three that you would like to fight?
Speaker 2 (00:29):
And I'm not saying call anybody out, I'm just saying
in general that you know that will continue to help
be of that legacy.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
No, I don't do it, don't do it.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
I think I'll take Tank Lamont light waight light weight.
I like, I like Andy Kluz. I like Andy Kluz.
I'm gonna so I like the best fights and the
best most competitive fights. So I think them guys is
more so than three most competitive guys.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
I think Tank is the money fight.
Speaker 5 (01:00):
I think that's the you know, not only would that
that help submit your legacy at the lightweight division, I
think that's the fight your court that's gonna pay you
the most money.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
M hm.
Speaker 6 (01:12):
He's a guy that everybody's been talking about for a
long time.
Speaker 5 (01:14):
So he has out power. It's gonna be his power
versus your skill.
Speaker 6 (01:21):
You know, it's crazy about that. This is no cap,
no cap.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
You know a lot of guys they're like, oh, he
did that against the pay that because the pay is
not a big puncher. I would rather fight a power
punching any day and fight that kind of.
Speaker 7 (01:35):
Value tell us, tell us why because after the fight,
my body was done, Like I done been in.
Speaker 6 (01:48):
There with power punchers to where it's like, you know, you.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Gotta think and get out the way and don't let
them lay in that big shot. But when you're fighting
a value punching, he punching on your arms, your body,
it's just very much like a fight, a big ass
fight to where it's like after the fight you need massages,
like it's a big fight on. I would rather fight
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them guys any day.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Yeah, it's so funny. I like the three names that
you did call out about fighting. I think tank Is
is the money fight. But the fight that would interest
me the most based on skill set. You know, styles
make fights. The one I think would be the best
chess match. You know from round and round and both
of you. You know, it would be brother Roach, Brother,
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brother Roach. I think to me, for those of us
that are not casual boxing fans and actually enjoy the
sweet science, I would love to watch that a fight
which you and Roach developed round by round and just
just just a thinking game and the chess match that
it would be based on y'all skill sets, But.
Speaker 6 (02:54):
I would love that fight.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
So I think that's the one of the fights to
make I think that Lema is very under rate. Yeah,
I'm glad that pugging it out about his skill set
because a lot of people don't realize how good he.
Speaker 6 (03:05):
Really is and own. You know, I appreciate Lamar too.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
He's one of the guys who came and helped me
in one of my biggest fights in my career when
my hos Val days. I made Lamar Roach my main's
farm partner, and he kind of got me thirty for
that fight.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
So you know, I'm real cool with him.
Speaker 6 (03:21):
I would love to fight him though.
Speaker 5 (03:22):
You know a lot of people think that Lamar actually
beat Tank in that fight.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
What do you think I do?
Speaker 6 (03:28):
I think Lama won. I think Lamar won seventy five
eighty four, even.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
Without them without a knockdown.
Speaker 6 (03:37):
Yeah, without the knockdown that should have been.
Speaker 5 (03:39):
Course, when you look, when you look and you look, look,
you're in that division of one thirty five. And as
I mentioned, there've been some great one thirty fighters, Roberto
the Ran, Sweetpee Whittaker, they like in Henry Armstrong and
there have been some great So when did you study
any of those uh uh Shahve Senior?
Speaker 4 (03:57):
Do you study any of those guys? Do you like?
Speaker 5 (03:59):
Do you understand like when you say I want to
be one of the all time greats and those guys had,
those guys had ninety one hundred fights. You're probably not
going to get to a one hundred fights. You're probably
hoping to get to like forty. But do you understand
that when you say I want to be an all
time great in this division? Some of the all time
greats that have been in that division.
Speaker 6 (04:19):
Yeah, it's very hard, it's a very hard thing to do.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
You gotta pay homage to the great Roberto Duran or
the great Panels, even Floyd when he when he had his.
Speaker 6 (04:32):
One thirty five run, he was a hell of with
one thirty five run.
Speaker 5 (04:35):
So Floord with four boys. People though at that weight.
People don't realize four had knock got power at them
light of weight at Go look at him against Gotti,
Go look at him and there some of those guys
he was what.
Speaker 6 (04:48):
For sure.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
I just feel like, man, I'm a competitor, bro. So
it's like I appreciate them guys. I pay how much
to them guys. But I'm not going nowhere anytime soon.
So and that way, I'm gonna be here and people
got to come through me. So now you got all
these young fighters, all these new fighters.
Speaker 6 (05:08):
That's coming around. I'm the man in the division, bro,
And like you're not taking nothing from me.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Bro, I've been here for too long. I've been doing
this just five years old. Bro, I'm going to be
the man and I'm coming to get my spot.
Speaker 8 (05:21):
I like it.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Hey, not as good as you've gotten from from a
skill from a skill set standpoint, obviously being able to
fight in the pocket, being able to fight mid range,
obviously being at distance, that's that's pretty easy for you
to be able to hit somebody at will.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
How do you continue to improve on your skill set?
Speaker 2 (05:38):
And are there any boxes that you watch right now
that you enjoy and kind of steal stuff?
Speaker 1 (05:43):
From them and.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Add it to your game or are you too far
into the game to do that?
Speaker 9 (05:47):
Well, no, you is never.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
Too far in the game to evolve and learn, bro,
Like you always got to be able to learn. But
like what you just said is how you kind of
get better. You got guys out here that's also evolved
in the game and getting better, like guys.
Speaker 6 (06:02):
Like oooh stick and be volved.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Yeah, I'm sitting back and I'm watching these guys and
trying to steal the little shit that they doing. So
I think that's how you get better. You just got
to keep watching and learning from people. Also keep watching yourself.
I think studying yourself is one of the underrated things
when it comes to.
Speaker 6 (06:22):
The sporter box. I think that's the way it got
my highest level.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Studying where I went wrong, going back to watch my
spring and watch my fight. When I watched my fight,
I see one hundred things that I did wrong, even
though the public felt like I did good. But for me, like,
I saw one hundred different things that I can't wait
to get back in the gym and work on.
Speaker 6 (06:39):
So that's my main goal, and I'm gonna keep evolving
your court.
Speaker 5 (06:45):
Do you think that as you start to get a
little older, you start to get at a little more
old man weight, you train a little harder, and you say,
I walk around at you know, probably one thirty eight
and then you go to one to go to the
one forties because do you feel you might have to
move up and wait to get that bigger payday? I
know Turkey Alaschk and Dana White is doing a great job.
(07:06):
They're trying to you know, ay, hey, we want the
big fights. We don't want nobody dunking nobody. You gotta belt,
he got a belt, get in there and you take
his belt and he take your belt. Do you feel
you might have to move up once you fight a
tank or you fighter Lamont, do you feel you might
have to move up to get these even bigger paydays.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
I won't move up with certain guys, Like I'm not
fighting guys thats just super bigger than me. But like
if it's a guy like Tia Femo who's closer to
the one forty weight class in the SiGe range, I
woul fight these guys. I don't try fighting the guys
on that one forty. I'm just not getting the rank
with people. That's way bigger than anywhere.
Speaker 5 (07:45):
They might wait one for it at the tipe of way,
but they wore fifty five one sixty at the night
of the fight.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
Huh.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
A lot of these guys, that's exactly what they do.
They want to be one sixty five come fight night.
And you and I'm match right like that shit just
don't be making said.
Speaker 5 (08:01):
It doesn't And when you look at it like you
said about Floyd, I believe, and a lot of not
to take. And Floyd had a supreme skill level. But
Floyd fought at one forty seven for the large part
of his career. Didn He ended up going up to
one fifty four to take Oscars belt. But Floyd walked
around at one fifty one fifty one, so it wasn't
nothing for him to like run a couple of miles
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in two weeks. And Floyd's at one forty seven. He
wasn't a big man. He wasn't one sixty five, one
seventy trying to drop down to one forty seven, taxing
himself because he was such a smaller man.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
He lost nothing.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Yeah, you know what I was saying about whom though
when he fought them guys, he didn't put no rehab
dration clauses on them. He kind of allowed gods to
feel comfortable enough to fight him at whatever weight class.
Speaker 6 (08:51):
Like if we watched Canelo O versus Floyd, Canelo was
way biggest Yloy. He was huge, but at the end
of the day's skills paid the bill.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
So I respect Floyd for a lot of ship that
he didn't for the boxing man.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
The funny thing about it, especially when you talk about
the rehydration clause, and Floyd understood that, Okay, I'm not
gonna put one in for Canelo, but I understand I'm
gonna be able to outbox him, allow him, you know, rehydrate,
put the waterway back on, because you're going to be
that much slower, which is why he was able to
counter and hit hit Canelo at will. Obviously, people like
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to say, oh, he was in this policy. He is
in the same Canelo he is now. And listen, if
they were to fight later on, like okay, no disrespect.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Fight now, it would be the same thing, but.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
Skillless Floyd fight. But you know, he's so much bigger.
Speaker 5 (09:39):
He's fighting at one sixty eight. Yeah, but Joe, if
he fight at one sixty eight, he taking advance in
the ring at one eighty five.
Speaker 8 (09:51):
Oh yeah, you.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Know, I'm I'm just saying from from a skill I
understand coming behind it, and the fact that the fact
that I just mentioned Canelo, I want to know what
you think about our brother, Bud Crawford and Canelo.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
That fight happened in September. What you think of what
you think about that.
Speaker 6 (10:07):
By the bad motherfucker.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Man, I think it's gonna be hard for anybody to
beat Budd Crawford. When Buddy Crawford is focused on his job.
I think he's one of the greatest fighters that I
have ever witnessed in my life. And I haven't seen
him in the gym. I have seen him come fight night.
This dude is just different. He's just he's not a normal.
Speaker 5 (10:31):
Bud the dog for real, Bud. Bud got got a
couple of screws loose.
Speaker 6 (10:36):
Yeah, for sure. I just seen his schools definitely get loose. Buddy.
Speaker 5 (10:44):
Oh Joe, you see the interview made Buddy and I said, hey,
I said, man, look here, man, I mess right to
mess your shoulders up. People gonna be mad at me
talking about I messed the coil. Budd Crawford fight up
man like a nice little hey, hey, s cour I
had it because he thinks he teaches you about it and
I run sed it and so I got him because
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you know, ain't. I can't let that man have no distance,
have me locked up like Tommy Hearns had Martin.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
I used to be closed the distance. O't yoke.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Yeah, oh man, that's that's funny.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
So what so what's next? What's next for you? Shkur?
What what? What's next?
Speaker 5 (11:21):
You're gonna take you know, a couple of you got
another fight before the end of the year.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Out Now I'm gonna take some time off.
Speaker 9 (11:27):
You know what.
Speaker 6 (11:27):
That fight.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
A lot of people don't know this, but I wanted
that fight to be under the butt and Canelo undercar
I hurt my hands my last fight before that, and
they kind of forced the fight on me, and I
just accepted whatever they forced at that time. Well, I
just want to take a break for the rest of
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the year and come back fresh early next year on
love my hands and coming and rest up.
Speaker 5 (11:56):
Let me ask you there, give me your top five
boxes of all time. It doesn't matter weight class, I mean,
if you want to, if you want to be specific
the class lightweight, super lightweight, welter, you know, middle super
middle whatever do you want? Junior middleweight? You know, well,
you know whatever. Give me your top five boxers.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
Number one, me, okay.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Number two, number three.
Speaker 6 (12:28):
Four, Andre number five.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
But Crawford the first thing you like? Defensive fighters?
Speaker 3 (12:36):
Huh yeah, for sure, that's that's the that's the goal.
Speaker 9 (12:41):
You know, you gotta.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
You gotta last in this for you know, guys going
to the hospital and they got brain dammits after the fighting.
They talking for years to come. So I like the
guys that's not talking for you. I like the guys
that can speak properly to you guys, tup you guys regularly.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Hey, he speaking of speaking of this, I'm glad Andre
Water is in your top five.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
Right.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
You know, I've been trying. I've been trying to fight
Dre for a little minute. You know, you think you
think you can make that happen. Speed up to expedite
the process of us getting in the ring.
Speaker 6 (13:11):
Yeah, I could definitely make that happen. But I don't know.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
If you don't, I do.
Speaker 6 (13:16):
That's what you want to do, man, I do?
Speaker 9 (13:18):
Hey, Hey, as.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Shir Cook, you you my dog, right, I didn't been
in the gym with you.
Speaker 6 (13:23):
I know.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
I listen, I know what you could do, and I've
been I've been watching for a very long time. And honestly,
no disrespect. I love andre but I beat his ass.
Speaker 9 (13:32):
Man.
Speaker 6 (13:32):
Come on, you know that's andre Ward. Bro.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, I know, I
know I may beat you right now.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
Yo.
Speaker 5 (13:38):
He ain'd been in the gym. He probably an't been
in the gym in years. He tell your ass up
right now.
Speaker 6 (13:44):
Last what like a couple of months ago, I just parted.
Speaker 9 (13:48):
Let him know.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
I'm ready, man, whatever you want to do, Hey, we
can go. We can go four round six rounds. I mean,
whatever you want to do. I make a light on
yourself because I mean.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
Why show y'all you're using sixteen hours gloves?
Speaker 6 (13:59):
Yeah, yeah we are.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
We can use twenties, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (14:04):
Yeah, but you need some pillows because he'll ump your
ass up with them ten hours gloves.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
And listen, I got d's like your core. You tripping, man,
I'm sure that's your core.
Speaker 5 (14:13):
Hey, get they get them training gloves, getting them winning
training gloves and sixteen twenty ounces.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
Because anything up in ten houns is man.
Speaker 5 (14:21):
Let me tell your ands up man with some air
lands or some rares gloves.
Speaker 4 (14:26):
Grant man, you you done.
Speaker 6 (14:30):
Heart a lot harder than you think.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Man, Yeah, I know, I know, I already know. I
didn't listen. I didn't seen your spa before we had
to fight. I forgot who was I went to one
of the sparring sessions.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
I know you know, not bitter.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
I'm bitter. Don't worry about it.
Speaker 5 (14:44):
Hey, oh Joe, you keep talking, then me and you
might have to do this. You know what I'm saying
on you. I don't would to have to do my
partner like this, but you know what I'm saying, I
might have to do something bad to it.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Listen. If you don't see me my awards, i'mna have
to put your hand in. I don't want to hurt you.
I don't want to hurt you.
Speaker 9 (15:02):
You up.
Speaker 6 (15:02):
I ain't gonna lie. I got ta version, I got tavers.
Speaker 7 (15:07):
You manhoe, he don't give me my he don't see
me my fifty two hundred.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
I thought only are you finish? I thought only nine hundred.
I'm gona see im, gonna see your money when you
send me my No.
Speaker 5 (15:24):
No, I'll tell you what I'm gonna beat it at you.
I will beat it at you. You won't give you
my money. I'm gonna do you like I would do
you like Steward did, Brian, where's my money?
Speaker 6 (15:38):
Where was from? I seens.
Speaker 5 (15:42):
That's the ever Last? Yeah, that's exactly, yes, yes, Bud,
wherever last?
Speaker 4 (15:54):
What?
Speaker 9 (15:54):
What like?
Speaker 4 (15:55):
What type of glove you wear? Are your core?
Speaker 7 (15:58):
I you wire whole?
Speaker 4 (16:03):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (16:03):
Right?
Speaker 5 (16:04):
I never heard of them? Does anybody? Does anybody wear
rays anymore?
Speaker 6 (16:10):
I just seen somebody in rays. I think it was
pack ye pay award them his last.
Speaker 5 (16:15):
Fright, Yeah, because I think you know, I think you
know obviously everlast grant a winning uh rails and you
mentioned rifle. I've never heard of that. I've never heard
of those gloves before. Oh Joe, these eight these right here.
Speaker 6 (16:29):
Cut It don't matter.
Speaker 8 (16:31):
And listen.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
They cut for an object that's not moving. It's different
when there's an object in front of you that's moving.
Speaker 10 (16:38):
Facts, King, I'm gonna stick that, I'm gonna do.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
I'm gonna do you just.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
I'm gonna do y'all, Tommy Herd and dead body.
Speaker 5 (17:02):
I'll tell you what, Joe, I'll box you for the
gloves if you beat me, you get my gloves.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
M I don't want them gloves.
Speaker 6 (17:10):
I want to jab jab though.
Speaker 5 (17:15):
Hey, you gotta snap that thing out there like a
last See some people use that jab as a founder.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
They ain't trying to do no damage.
Speaker 5 (17:22):
They just trying to see, okay, how far then I
can throw this right. But see I'm trying to snap
that thing bam like Lenny Lewis. No, Lenny Lewis had
a nice jam. Larry Holmes had a tremendous jaz what.
Speaker 6 (17:36):
I want to see your jab though, let me see
your jab.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
So in that jab U with that thing. I'm quick
with that thing as you court.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Hey, hey, I'm finna, I'm finla parodydict.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Come right back with something.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
Man, Hey, I don saw you. I saw you. Your
reflecting as fast as you thinking now, no no, no.
Speaker 5 (18:04):
No, no no no.
Speaker 6 (18:06):
See that's the funny thing.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
If everybody want to go back to when I fought
my young bull Brian Maxwell in the ring, that's different.
Speaker 9 (18:14):
Now.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
You gotta understand I didn't been in the ring now
five years after that, so I looked.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
I look nothing like that.
Speaker 5 (18:19):
That's why I'm cour you could take sparring is different
than actually fighting, and you got to fight. It's just
like track and field. You could practice all you want to,
but you gotta get racist under your belt. You gotta
get in the ring. You gotta get rounds and not
all that speedbag and all that mints and stuff.
Speaker 4 (18:39):
Nah, you ain't did that.
Speaker 9 (18:41):
That don't mean mm hmmm.
Speaker 4 (18:43):
I know.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
I know one thing. I got two people on my
hit list.
Speaker 5 (18:47):
Oh James Harrison, I'm gonna beat his ass, Andre Warfen
to get his work.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
And anybody else that won't smoke after that, matter of fact,
your core, you could get it to start back.
Speaker 6 (19:00):
I ain't gonna lie. I already told you this last
time I saw you. Don't do it.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
Don't do it is something, give about fifty hundred out
of it.
Speaker 6 (19:10):
I'm telling you this is hey.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Whenever you hey, whenever you want to get back in
the gym, you let me know how you gonna get me.
Speaker 6 (19:17):
Huh, how many runs you gonna give me?
Speaker 1 (19:19):
I can't go past eight, I give you.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
I give a strong eight four minutes, four minute around
thirty second rest.
Speaker 6 (19:26):
I'm betting you ain't making it. Eight run.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
I bet eight round with thirty rests.
Speaker 9 (19:33):
Got car.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
I been training in the past four.
Speaker 6 (19:38):
Yeah, you're gonna take what I'm a dude.
Speaker 4 (19:40):
You ain't with Boot.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
With Boot, I don't my affiliate with Boots. That's that's
what we had to do.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
That's what Bull He had.
Speaker 6 (19:48):
Me doing tabarim eight four minute rounds.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
No, I only got four in. I only did foe.
Speaker 6 (19:53):
Actually, that's why I'm trying to tell you this.
Speaker 9 (19:54):
It did.
Speaker 6 (19:55):
Ain't no way you gonna ate with me. I'm telling
you get it.
Speaker 5 (19:58):
Get my fifty nine hundred dollars out.
Speaker 6 (20:00):
Of you think you think ships sweet? Huh, I know
you can't go eight with me. Bro that ship.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
Hey, and don't hit him. Don't hit him.
Speaker 5 (20:11):
Don't hit him in his face because I need his eyes,
I need to be able to read the prompter.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
But just tear his body up.
Speaker 6 (20:18):
Let me tell you, I'm not gonna hit him in
the finish. I'm gonna his body.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
That's what I do, making making peel on himself.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
I'm gonna be I'm gonna be tough.
Speaker 6 (20:28):
I'm ready.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
I'm ready to all that.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Man, I'm gonna be tough.
Speaker 6 (20:31):
Okay to the side.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
That's what I want. That's what I like to see.
That's what I like to see. Your court. That's what
I'm talking about.
Speaker 5 (20:38):
Oh you're gonna have what depends on none of his trunks?
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Oh man, he well, but all jokes inside. Man, you
put on an F and box.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
Amazing.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
I want to tell you congratulations on that, man and
shutting up all these doubters and all of the haters.
Not then gonna find something else to come up with.
They're gonna find something else to come up with, and
you're gonna probably gonna answer those questions too.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
Man.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
I just want to tell you congratulations on one hell
of a goddamn fight in career so far.
Speaker 6 (21:09):
I appreciate y'all.
Speaker 5 (21:10):
I appreciate you, math Core, Thanks for your time, man, congratulations,
enjoy the rest of the year.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
Off.
Speaker 5 (21:15):
Hey, we'll see you. We'll see your early. I guess
early in twenty twenty six and come back and enjoin
us when you got some time.
Speaker 4 (21:21):
Bro. Appreciate you.
Speaker 5 (21:23):
I appreciate it, all right, Bro, have a good week joining
us now. Fought to a majority draw Saturday night. It
doesn't look like he's too pleased with that, and there
are a lot of people on social media that actually.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
Thought he won that fight.
Speaker 5 (21:38):
Joining us Lamart Roach Junior Lamont, how you doing bro.
Speaker 8 (21:43):
So man, I'm good man. Thanks for having me. I
feel real good.
Speaker 5 (21:47):
No, thanks for having thanks for joining us, take us
through Saturday night. You go into that fight, you move
up five pounds, you're one thirty five, and you move
up and you feeling I mean, everybody's that man ain't no,
he got no change dance.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
Tank told you a couple of days earlier.
Speaker 5 (22:02):
He goes, hey, you're not going the distance, y'all shake
for a little with two fifty.
Speaker 4 (22:06):
Whatever the case may be. You go into that fight.
Speaker 5 (22:09):
You know, Tank's a slow starter, builds up as the
fight progresses, know, he's trying to land, hook to the body,
come up top with it. What was your process? What
were going into that fight? How did you want to fight?
And did the fight turn out the way you thought
it would well?
Speaker 8 (22:25):
Honestly, yeah, the fight. The fight went exactly how we
planned it to go, honestly. You know, uh, we're familiar
with him, We've been familiar with him. We just knew
it was a matter of time for everything to fall
into play. And back to the whole everybody not giving
me a shot, saying I'm gonna get knocked out and
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all this and all that I know what I'm capable of,
and I know what I could do. Like they just
in the nutshell they had they had me totally messed up.
And especially when he bet me saying he's gonna stop me?
What do?
Speaker 9 (23:00):
What do?
Speaker 8 (23:01):
I told him himself, I said, you tripping? I said,
I don't know what got into your head these last
couple of minutes, few day, whatever occasion on you tripping.
You know you're not gonna do that, dude. I don't
know why I told him that. I know you know
you're not gonna do that. Cut it out.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Yeah, Hey, listen, when you talk about you're very familiar
with him, and I understand you and your team. You
went into the fight with a game plan. Is it
familiarity the fact that you guys probably trained together in
the past, or you've been in camp together in the past,
you sparred together.
Speaker 9 (23:31):
Is that why you were so familiar?
Speaker 2 (23:32):
And whatever game plan your team did have and we're
able to execute, is that why it went so well?
Speaker 8 (23:38):
I mean, yeah, one of it's one of the many
reasons why I went so well. Even though we were kids.
You know, some of them traits, characteristics and just ways
of a man like grew with him. Yeah, so you
know some of the some of the like some of
the dirty tactics. I knew that he'd, you know, revert
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to that when that pressure built up, when somebody that
was there wasn't scared of him, when somebody was there
that was there to return fire. And you know what
I'm saying, he ain't been in the ring in his
professional career. He hasn't been in the ring with something
like that or something like accountaboy, what I got right?
Speaker 2 (24:17):
So what I thought obviously watching the fight, and when
I look at all his tape fights, most of the
time obviously he starts slow and then round five six
he starts to pick it up a little bit, and
by the time as he's picking it up, normally his
opponent in deteriorating the conditioning where supposed to be. But
I'm looking at you. They get the round six and
seven and he coming forward and you ain't even you
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not even moving. So at that point, y'all mid range
and you sitting in the pocket.
Speaker 9 (24:42):
And most of the time.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
When he hits somebody, they retreat, but you get you
took one to give one.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
I'm like what he boy, he boy, going at.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
It I'm like, so, did the power not affect you
in any way where you didn't really care? We just
sat in the pocket with him in exchange because most
of the time, I mean, you.
Speaker 8 (25:01):
Got to be cautious.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
You got to be cautious because when throwing punches, you
know you got a chance to get hit, you know,
when you're letting go. Did you not care at all?
Or did you feel his power early? In really one
word about it.
Speaker 8 (25:13):
So it wasn't that I wasn't I wasn't caring this.
I was cautious, Like you said, I was cautious. But
the but the defense, the defense is there, and the
confidence was was through the roof, and I got a change.
You keep a spade to spade, like you know what
I'm saying, Like, I see why he knocks people out. Yeah,
I'm not gonna say the power is overrated. But I've
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been in there with guys who could punch. I mean,
like with guys who can punch, so it's like it's
it's nothing. It was nothing new to me. I've been
in there with middleweight champions. I've been in there with
junior middleweight champions. I mean like as they were champion
in their prime and stuff like that. So it's like,
you know what I'm saying, like I was confident and
what I could do defensively, and if I get hit,
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I know, I know I was giving right back.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
So listen, in the night around, I'm sorry, you know,
I you know, I get excited about I don't mean
to take over. Listen, hey, young boy. And in the
ninth round, you know, Jamonte took a knee. Obviously there's
some controversy behind that. It wasn't rule and knockdown by
the referee. I've never seen that ever.
Speaker 9 (26:15):
And then my.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Years of watching a you know, watching boxing and enjoying
the sport of combat sports in general, did that moment
impact your strategy for the remainder of the fight.
Speaker 8 (26:25):
I'm gonna say no, And let me tell you why.
The simple fact that he took the knee is is
it was really a boost because it's like, all right,
it's all right, what we're doing is working. We know
that he's looking for something. It should have been a
knock down one. So that's why I'm yelling at the
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referee like keep counting, like you tripping, keep counting. That's
a knockdown. Because if y'all didn't notice he started to count.
He started to count, he did, and then he starts
he stopped. Okay, So so when we when he resumed
the action, I'm like, what you're doing? Keep counting like
you can't do that? So and then it wasn't even
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registering or processing through my mind the other rules to
the simple fact that he could have got disqualified for
having his corner come up to the ring and assist
him doing the round, or or he can't turn his
back on the like doing the that's cause for that's
that's the wave at all. He took a knee and
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then turned around and went to the corner breadthor usually turning, turn,
turn or stop the fight. Oh ain't.
Speaker 9 (27:40):
I ain't know that.
Speaker 5 (27:42):
I'm watching you a lot of times when when people
hit Tank, like Oyo was saying, they retreat, But it
seemed like you had a strategy like if he hit me,
I'm gonna hit his ass back just as hard as
many times as he hit me. And I don't think
he expected you to return the kind of fire that
you returned because you wabbed him a couple of times.
And I'm not so sure that I've seen Tank wobble,
like when you called him a couple of times and
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you was getting through the guard. I mean, hey, normally
a southball fighter that lead right is a home run
right down and is right down Broad Street.
Speaker 4 (28:10):
And you kept touching him with it.
Speaker 8 (28:12):
For sure. Uh, it was one of the it was
one of the many things that we trained for.
Speaker 6 (28:16):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (28:17):
Obviously he happy go lucky with his left and been
working for his whole career. He's been knocking these dudes out.
So you know, we've been training, We've been sitting on
the left being able to working on counter and working
on you know, being able to block and come back.
And we had some pretty fast guys and then we
had some pretty strong guys that I had to you know,
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uh switch rounds with every like you know, every spawn chest.
So you know, we was ready. We was prepared. And
like you said, them dudes wasn't really really cracking him back,
and I was really throwing that fire at him, and
the accuracy is was really probably pissed him off too.
And the fact that I was busy, it's like all
this ain't stopping.
Speaker 5 (29:01):
Yeah, I thought you did an unbelievable job of keeping
the pace up, like Ocho said, he's a guy that
likes to start slow, so he have some energy reserved.
So when he comes out from five through twelve, he's like,
I got a lot left. I know, I ain't really
spent no gas. Hey, I've just been coas and now
I've been on electric mode. Now I got this fire,
got this gas in the tank. I'm in the unleash.
But it meant you met fire with fire when And
(29:24):
I've heard Floyd say that, like when he went into
a fight, he never watched tape on the guy that
he was fighting. He left that up to his corner
to watch the fight and then tell him instructions. He
would take all that information and then once he got
into the ring, blah blah blah.
Speaker 4 (29:40):
Do you watch fight?
Speaker 5 (29:41):
Do you when you going against a fighter, do you
watch them or you leave that up to your corner
to watch and then give you an instruction of what
you should do.
Speaker 8 (29:47):
Don't watch them a lot. I'm just so, I'm just
so happened to be a boxing fan that the fact
that I do watch him fight, you know what I'm saying,
Like I really like boxing. He's just somebody to watch.
He inspected greet knockout on this skilled guy, like one
of the one of the better pound for pound fighters.
I like watching good fights, so I do know some
of his tendencies. But to study him, uh not really,
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I left it up to my dad. But one time,
one day, like one day in camp, we did sit
down and watch a few of his fights back to back.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
Mmkay, hey, listen, Tank Tank his publicly express interest obviously
in a rematch.
Speaker 9 (30:26):
You want a rematch as well? Are you open to.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
Immediate rematch or do you have a you don't need
a tune up? Do you have a tune up fight
just to just to keep yourself going?
Speaker 8 (30:37):
Do y'all y'all run it right media? Immediate and just
to let y'all know, like in my contract, immediate rematch
was signed. I signed for the immediate rematch when I
signed for the first fight, just in case he lost
or just in case it was a draw, so they
put that clause in it. They put a rematch clause
in it, so I already signed the rematch close.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Okay, So when you got a rematch clause, how we
taken How long is the break before you start training again?
Speaker 9 (31:02):
Is it? Is it six months from now?
Speaker 8 (31:04):
Is as that was up to the in side and
when they want to fight. So I'm thinking it's gonna
be soon. I'm hoping it's gonna be soon. Let's say that.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
I mean, I'm saying from a boxing standpoint, as a boxer,
what is soon to you?
Speaker 9 (31:17):
I mean when you say soon to me, I'm thinking
a month.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
I know that I'll think.
Speaker 8 (31:24):
I'm thinking July. I'm thinking okay.
Speaker 5 (31:29):
But if I'm not, if I'm not mistaken, Lamar, I
think I read something that he reached out to Loma
Chinko's side and see if they were interested.
Speaker 4 (31:38):
Did you see did you read that?
Speaker 9 (31:39):
Also?
Speaker 8 (31:39):
Did you see that? But he can't he gotta he
can't believe everything you see. Uh and if it is,
if it is true, then you know that would be funny.
But I'm pretty sure the rematch happens, and I'm pretty
sure that's the next fight for both of us.
Speaker 5 (31:52):
M hmm, Well, let me ask you this. Would you
be interested? Go ahead, I'm just would you be interested
in fighting Lomo? Or to your female low paid.
Speaker 8 (32:00):
Course or me? Hold up chair?
Speaker 5 (32:03):
Up chair, Hey, put Paul's on it.
Speaker 8 (32:08):
Hey, Chad? Hey, if I don't know, if you've seen
me fight Saturday, I really do this.
Speaker 9 (32:12):
Yeah, I would, there, I would. I listened. I've been
studying you for years. Okay, I can listen. Listen. I
don't have the time, but I.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Could tell your tendencies right now round one through seven. Okay,
So if we was getting there and SPA right now,
I can tell you what you're gonna do by looking
at your feet when you when you when you.
Speaker 9 (32:31):
Got your hand down by your hip already and you.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
Stepped forward, You're gonna faink. You know it ain't the keys.
Speaker 9 (32:38):
Listen. I've been studying you. I know you. So if
you want to SPA at any point, if you get
ready for the.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
Next fight, I think I've seen you work yourself.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, I got hands, ain't.
Speaker 4 (32:48):
Got no power. He got pillows, he got you, ain't
got no lamon.
Speaker 9 (32:54):
Listen, they.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
Hey lamar where I'm from? They called me hello hand Yeah,
they called me headlands. But listen. Reflecting on your performance
right in that fight, bro, I don't know, your game
plan was phenomenal.
Speaker 9 (33:09):
Everything you did you executed from round one all the
way to twelve.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
After you have a fight like that and you put
on a show like that, what aspects.
Speaker 9 (33:21):
I mean like what's how many? How do you improve
off of that?
Speaker 2 (33:25):
Because if you would have grade your performance that night,
you get an A plus. So when you go back,
what do you go back and work on after putting
on a goddamn show like that?
Speaker 8 (33:34):
Man? Just just just going on. See my thing is,
I always want to get better all the time, no
matter if I do have a good performance or not.
I just go back and I watch the tape and
see what what he do. Obviously, if whatever he come
with the next one that we just gotta still capitalize.
We're gonna add too. What worse if it ain't if
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it ain't broke, don't fix. But we're gonna just we're
gonna add to it. We're gonna build. We're gonna build.
We're gonna build. I might try to, you know, pick
it up so we can see if we can get that.
Stop at Joe. Now you know what I'm saying. Never No,
that's how you capitalize. Hey, that's how yeah?
Speaker 9 (34:08):
Yeah, yeah, Well your condition was on point bro.
Speaker 8 (34:12):
Oldo fifteen year old fight over here, man, real for sure?
I was in camp fourteen.
Speaker 7 (34:20):
Rounds wait with time and no time with time for sure?
Speaker 9 (34:25):
What time? Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, ok okay, okay, okay.
You know I did twenty two rounds.
Speaker 8 (34:30):
No clock sah, we're gonna get you in camp. Maybe
you can get me ready for the rematch.
Speaker 9 (34:36):
Ay, matter of fact, bring me the camp. I ain't
gonna charge I ain't. I ain't gonna charge you. I
you are you?
Speaker 4 (34:42):
Four rounds.
Speaker 9 (34:43):
I let somebody else go forward and not come back.
Speaker 8 (34:44):
For another exchange.
Speaker 4 (34:45):
No robbery.
Speaker 8 (34:46):
I like that, all right.
Speaker 5 (34:48):
Bet man Lamar, Will you put Pauls on the game.
Don't beat him up too bad because I need it.
I need it for night camp. I wanted to come back.
Talk about slurring. I don't want him to come back.
Speaker 8 (34:59):
He's gonna be I think it gonna be all right.
Speaker 5 (35:01):
Don't you getting body blows? Don't don't hit anybody's head.
You can't body blows.
Speaker 9 (35:06):
I'm good, I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. My defense,
My defense is my offense.
Speaker 4 (35:09):
I ain't gonna get it.
Speaker 5 (35:11):
A lot of times when guys win and they get
a rematch, they're like, well, I don't have anything to
improve a pun and they run into a problem because
you had a draw. Can you go back and say,
you know what in this situation here, I should have
did this instead of that, and I might have been
able to land something. Is that how you go back
and approach the fight because you didn't get to win,
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and so you're like, well, I didn't get to win.
I didn't lose technically, but I didn't win either. And
I think as a fighter, you know, draws and times
that ain't what we do it for. We want to
be winning. We want to be on the top spot.
And because you didn't land on the top spot, you
feel that, you know what, go back and watch this
fight through twelve rounds. Maybe if I pick it up
through the first three or four rounds, maybe that's a
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round or two that I win. And we don't even
have this discussion at the end because it looked like
they gave you round twelve.
Speaker 4 (35:59):
Had you not won round twelve, he would have won the.
Speaker 8 (36:02):
Just sad honestly, so to me, I thought I wanted
to fight. Clearly, I thought I want a close fight.
I thought I want a very competitive fight. I'm not
saying I steamrolled them or whatever, but to me, I
think I want to fight now. Granted, ninth round should
have been called a knockdown two judges on the official
score cards gave him the round ten to nine. If
(36:26):
that was a knockdown, I went around ten eight. That's
a three point swing. I would win a unanimous decision.
So you gotta take all of that into account. It's
three ways that It's three things that could have happened
in that ninth round alone with that knee, it could
have been a ten eight round scored a knockdown, could
have been a disqualification, or I could have won by tkm. So, honestly,
(36:52):
when you look at that and you say I got
a draw against the number one spectacle in America, a
pound pound talent and a guy with a ninety knockout ratio,
look at it and like, Okay, if you got to draw,
more than likely youse was to win that night. So
(37:13):
even though I didn't get to win, I'm not a
moral victory guy. I'm pissed that I didn't win. Honestly, right, exactly,
I pissed that I didn't win. But I really think
that that I should have. A lot of people think
that I should have, and the rematch is just gonna
make it worse for him because I gotta rip it up.
Like you said, I gotta do something. I gotta do something.
(37:37):
I gotta pick it up somewhere to turn this around
and make it a victory for me.
Speaker 5 (37:44):
Lament, you're moving up from super feiatherweight to lightweight. Were
you a trade that moving up might rob you or
some of the pot because that's you know, normally guys
that move up they lose some of the steam. Were
you concerned about that? Are you gonna stay? Are you
gonna st and super fail? Or are you looking to
move up to maybe.
Speaker 4 (38:02):
Go one thirty five one for even higher?
Speaker 6 (38:04):
No.
Speaker 8 (38:05):
One, thing that one thirty five gave me is a
lot more thing. I ain't allow five best pounds I
had to lose.
Speaker 4 (38:11):
So uh so what do you normally walk around at Lamont?
Speaker 6 (38:15):
Normally?
Speaker 5 (38:16):
Uh?
Speaker 8 (38:16):
I want to say fifty fifty, especially if I'm in
the gym. Now, No, No, I walk around like one
fifty uh somewhere around one one forty nine on a
good day. If I'm on vacation, I don't get no
higher than fifty five.
Speaker 5 (38:29):
So okay, okay, So you so I think that works.
I think that's one of the things that helped Floyd
Mayweather because Floyd is not a naturally big man. So
it was easy for him to stay at one forty
seven because Florida only walking around it like what begin with,
So he goes for six eight weeks, he lose five pounds.
That's its sweet spot for sure. Sure, And that's another
(38:52):
thing with you. It's not like you're walking around one
sixty five, one sixty one sixty five and you got
to strip down thirty five thirty pounds. You only having
to come down teen, maybe even fifteen pounds out of max.
So that's a lot, that's not that's not that drastic
where you see these guys have to go through this
massive dehydration in order to make weight because man, you
(39:14):
keep doing that fluctuaight in your body, Man, it takes
something out.
Speaker 8 (39:17):
Of here, and it takes a toll on you for sure.
Speaker 9 (39:20):
Hey listen, after a fight like this, how much time
do y'all take off?
Speaker 2 (39:25):
Like I mean, before you get back in and gradually
just start building yourself back, not only in the shape,
but just making sure you don't lose that rhythm and consistency.
Speaker 8 (39:35):
It's tough, man, especially how boxing is today. That's more
so like a personal So me personally, I don't like
being out the gym too long. I get cussed out
by my doctor because he tells me to take a break,
you know what I'm saying. So and I understand, because
your body do need to heal rest. I've been through
an eight week training camp and then went through a
(39:56):
hard twelve round fight. So you know, you know, to
get your body together, take some time off because when
you peak, when you peak, and you peak at the
right time, and I think I peaked at the perfect
time on Saturday night, it's you know, it depletes you.
So I get a little rest. I get a little rest,
probably like two weeks, and I want to be back
(40:19):
in the gym one because I probably get you heavy
and I'm like, I don't feel I don't feel right right,
I'll be bored. I normally be in the gym.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
So that's right where we where you live at, what's
stay in DC?
Speaker 9 (40:34):
Okay, okay, I make a little trip down there.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
Man, whenever you get back in the gym and you
want to start a sparring, I'm gonna come down there.
Speaker 9 (40:41):
And I got I gotta.
Speaker 8 (40:42):
Little I got a bad man, Chad.
Speaker 9 (40:44):
I don't know, I know, I know I'm a bad
man too.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
That's what my teacher called me when I as I
got a little better for you. Right, we're gonna do
eight rounds.
Speaker 8 (40:51):
Right, We're gonna do eight rounds.
Speaker 9 (40:52):
You get Yeah, we're gonna do eight. Yeah, if you can,
if you can beat.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
Me at least four rounds, you know, Lebron James, he
just scored fifty thousand points, right, he said, he sent
me the ball.
Speaker 9 (41:06):
If you can beat me, if you can win more
rounds than me. I seen this ball he gave me.
Speaker 8 (41:12):
Right now, we're gonna set that up.
Speaker 4 (41:16):
You gonna take that ball.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
Get that ball, okay, right on top of the bell.
Speaker 9 (41:23):
Okay, matter of fact, I'm gonna make it easy for you.
I'm only using my jab Mann.
Speaker 8 (41:27):
You giving you give it, you're giving it away.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
Nah, I mean, listen, I can I can take it.
I'm doing I still win. That's what I do.
Speaker 8 (41:34):
I told you they you're giving the prize away.
Speaker 4 (41:36):
Lebron.
Speaker 8 (41:37):
Ain't gonna like that.
Speaker 9 (41:39):
Oh no, you ain't gonna get that.
Speaker 2 (41:40):
You think I'm you think I'm gonna lose you and
and lose that ball.
Speaker 3 (41:46):
Is a lot.
Speaker 5 (41:47):
Hey let me let me let me ask you this
a little bit after the tank fight, who would you
like to fight out the fight after Tank. Are you
gonna stay? Are you gonna go? Are you gonna stay?
If you if you go back, if you rematch, you
beat Tank at one thirty five, Are you gonna stay
at one thirty five or slide back down to one
thirty or go up even to one forty.
Speaker 8 (42:07):
It depends on what's available. If the champions at thirty
five are available, I want to fight them. I want
to unify. Obviously, that's good for my career. It's like
legacy fights. And on top of that, they big money
fights money if they're not If they're not available, I
will go definitely defend my title at thirty and probably
(42:27):
try to unify there because I can make thirty comfortably
and I feel like I run that division like I
probably can even go undisputed if they let me.
Speaker 5 (42:40):
Because I'm Lama being a student of the game. I
know you heard your dad. You weren't around there, but
I know your dad has told you of whomever in
your corner about the Four Kings. Hearns Hagler, Durant, Leonard
and how they fought each other and all the top contenders,
and that they fought you go back to the seventies.
Speaker 4 (43:01):
You look at the heavyweights. They fought.
Speaker 5 (43:04):
Norton fought our Lee, he fought Fraser, he fought for
He fought Shavers, he fought our Lee, Nobody Duck. Why
is it now, Lamont that we have guys and they
want a cherry pick and don't want to take it.
Seemed like, and I love Floyd, but Floyd that fifty
and oh, because nobody wants to take an ass whipping
(43:25):
now because now they feel like my legacy is ruined.
Speaker 4 (43:29):
I lost the fight some of the great fighters.
Speaker 5 (43:32):
We don't look at our Lee because he lost three
or four times, even when he looked bad fighting Trevor Bourberck,
Alar Holmes. We don't hold that against him. We don't
hold against Leonard. We don't hold against Haighlu, We don't
hold against Hearns. We don't hold against nobody. I don't know,
and I hate that. I love Floyd and I'm glad
he's undefeated, But everybody thinks, now, if I be undefeated,
I'm gonna be revered like Floyd, and it's not gonna happen.
Speaker 8 (43:54):
It ain't. Floyd's one of a kind fighter, man. Yeah,
even if a lot of people do go undefeated and
retire undefeated. It's not gonna be the same. Uh. And
it's not gonna be the same because Floyd put it
in his work. Floyd fought them guys when when he
was able to and stuff. Like everybody, he fort them
(44:16):
guys and he earned the right to fight who he
wanted to, when he wanted to, whatever the case may be.
He that's that's just a once in a lifetime fighter.
I don't know why the guys are not. I wotn't.
Maybe I do. I'm gonna give you a little scoop.
These guys are worried about the money that they can make.
(44:39):
If they told you if they still have an O
on their record, they think that a blemish would knock
down the value of their whatever they have in their
contract or whatever they have presented to them, which is,
you know, crazy to me. I think, if you put
on a good enough fight, no matter if you win
(45:01):
or lose, the performances what matters. And it's really what matters.
So people want to pay to see you fight. If
you fight the good fights, that's what that's.
Speaker 4 (45:11):
What they're gonna pay.
Speaker 8 (45:12):
Says, They're gonna pay to see it. That's why pay
per view numbers used to be so high because people
are gonna pay. They want to see certain fights. They
want to see them fights.
Speaker 5 (45:21):
Look at Mickey, look at Mickey, Warden Arturo got it.
That was jam Pat Low didn't matter. People still pay
big money to see that because they know they were
gonna get action. But now Lamont guys like you know what, Yeah,
if I foult Lamont, I can make fifteen mil. But
if I fight this guy that I know I can whip,
(45:41):
I can make ten. So why take the chance for
extra five when I can get this can over here
and I can whip.
Speaker 9 (45:47):
It for ten?
Speaker 5 (45:47):
So I just give me a couple, I give me
five or ten. I'll give me five or ten d
ten million dollar fight. Why would I need to take
a risk for two of those big fights?
Speaker 4 (45:55):
But I ain't gonna do that.
Speaker 2 (45:57):
But then you gotta think about that Lama I told
on Go Tonight talked about this too.
Speaker 4 (46:01):
Right.
Speaker 2 (46:02):
Not only do certain people not want to take risks,
but you want to build it up until you get
to the really, really good fight. So if you got
like you talk about the folk kings back then, back
in the day, right and today's if you got the
best boxes, right, and if all the best boxes fight
each other right now and not have fight out the
fight out the fight and actually you build it so
people want to actually actually want to watch and you
(46:24):
can maximize your pay.
Speaker 9 (46:26):
That's a little different.
Speaker 2 (46:27):
Think about how long before Earl and Bud actually for
Look how long it took.
Speaker 9 (46:32):
Look how many fights they had because they was a
build up to it.
Speaker 2 (46:35):
So from that standpoint, I kind of get it and
understand you want to maximize your pay. You also nobody
want to lose, but at some point they ain't gonna
have no choice but to fight each other time.
Speaker 9 (46:48):
You got to be right.
Speaker 4 (46:50):
But think about it, and Lama, you know this.
Speaker 5 (46:52):
Sugar Raight went the one sixty the flight higher, Burst
went up, He didn't come down. They went them they
did because they very similar. One thirty one thirty five.
They went up to clar Sugar Ray was one forty seven,
went to one sixty. Packler Herris with one forty seven
went to one sixty.
Speaker 8 (47:13):
You're definitely right about that.
Speaker 4 (47:15):
That's middleweight and Ray Ray and.
Speaker 8 (47:18):
Durant started at thirty five. So yeah, one of the
best light ways to ever do it.
Speaker 5 (47:29):
Yeah, a lot of a lot of those guys started. Yes,
a lot of those guys started there a uh O.
Speaker 11 (47:34):
Joe thirty thirty five, fort Floyd thirty thirty five, forty
forty seven, and fort for uh uh de la Hoya
at fifty four mm hmm, yeah, oh yeah, a lot
of them guy.
Speaker 5 (47:46):
Yeah, and had Pop Pacquia the novel the paqu yall
started at once one six and blew through and blew
through everything.
Speaker 8 (47:55):
Oh eight division champion and knocking.
Speaker 5 (47:58):
Yeah, you're not gonna see that. You even when you
look at Armstrong, you look at all those guys, nobody's
doing this again. Nobody's gonna do that.
Speaker 4 (48:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (48:06):
I mean basically you'd have to start it saying you'd
have to start in like one forty and go to
heavyweight to try to clean out of everything house. And
that ain't That has not happening at all. I mean
Roy come ye, Roy went from sixty sixty eight cent.
Speaker 8 (48:22):
Ten years straight Middlewaywe Roy.
Speaker 5 (48:25):
Was if Roy had had Roy just stayed there and
not script the muscle that he put on to go
to heavy because I think that took a lot out
of him, That took too much out of him. He
probably should have stayed. He probably should have never come
back down or just took his time. But Roy won
the title, couldn't get nobody else to fight, gave the
title up and came back down, and he wasn't the
(48:47):
same after Tarboro beat him that one time. He was
never the same because he got started getting beat by
fighters that Roy. Roy would have marked the floor inside
of five rounds with him. Yeah, so what's the next tank?
I mean, I'll excuse me, what's next to all of
my what's next after after this tank? After this tank fight?
You say you want to fight whoever the big money
fight is? Who Ate Lomokill Femo handed Garcia?
Speaker 4 (49:10):
Who else?
Speaker 9 (49:11):
One?
Speaker 8 (49:11):
Thirty five right now? Keshan Davis and Loma chink Okay,
that's that's that's who we're gonna be looking at after
you know what I'm saying, After after I be tanked,
after I be tanking and rematch, uh, you know them
guys ain't available, then we're gonna go to thirty and
defend my one hundred and thirty pound championship.
Speaker 2 (49:34):
So listen, out of those three you just name, who
would you prefer to fight first? If you can't get
all three? If if you had a preference.
Speaker 8 (49:40):
If I had a preference, I don't really got a
preference I want I would, I would put a blindfold
on it. Pick whichever one. It don't matter.
Speaker 6 (49:48):
Whatever I'm talking.
Speaker 4 (49:50):
They tell them whoever want disass, that's what I disass.
Speaker 8 (49:54):
Sure.
Speaker 5 (49:56):
As a matter of fact, I tell you what. I
tell you what Lomo, you gonna get it first, So
you're gonna get it after I get tanked. When I
get tanked, I'm gonna get you at the first year. Hey,
s your core. I'm gonna come see.
Speaker 4 (50:06):
You in July.
Speaker 5 (50:07):
Hey, Keith, Sean David. Hey, at the end of the
year or twenty seven, I got your I got you.
Speaker 8 (50:12):
Asked with you sound good to me? He am me,
sound real good.
Speaker 4 (50:18):
Hey man, I appreciate it. Congratulations, great fight.
Speaker 5 (50:22):
It wasn't the outcome that you had hoped for because
you trained for eight weeks, had a great camp, and.
Speaker 4 (50:27):
You put the time in to win. It didn't go
his way.
Speaker 5 (50:29):
But who knows what's gonna happen July August when the
next fight come around. Wish you the best and guess what,
come back and join us again when the fight happens,
and all we'll see what happens after that Lamar.
Speaker 8 (50:40):
Appreciate, appreciate, I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (50:42):
All right, I'm gonna se I'm gonna see in.
Speaker 8 (50:44):
Dcent, no doubt, get my contact. We bring you out
for sure.
Speaker 5 (50:48):
All right, hey body, because you need to talk, you know. Yeah,
that's what I want you to do. Yeah, yeah, that's
what I want do. That what I want to do.
Speaker 8 (50:59):
Here went away, Yeah, I got I make sure we
have it on the nightcap.
Speaker 4 (51:03):
That's what I need you to do. Record all right,
all right, all right, appreciate that.
Speaker 8 (51:07):
LE have good Thank you all man. Mhm mm hmmm.
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