Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson dive into the biggest NFL headlines of the week! The saga continues in Cincinnati as rookie Shemar Stewart still hasn’t signed his contract, raising major concerns. The duo also reacts to Jerry Jones taking a shot at Micah Parsons amid contract talks.
0:00 - Bengals blame Shemar Stewart’s agent for drama
11:30 - NFL triplet rankings
27:13 - Jerry Jones taking shots at Micah Parsons?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:01):
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
You're gonna make o Jo crack.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
We got to talk about your team. The Bengals want
the finger at Shamir Shamar Stewart's Shamar Stewart's agent over
the contract drama. First, Bengals Director of Player Personnel Duke
Tobin pointed the finger at Stuart's representation. He needs to
be here. I would encourage him to be here. He's
listening to advice. He's paying from it for his agent.
(00:37):
I don't understand the advice. We're treating him fairly. No,
you're not.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
No, you're not.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Nobody else put that language in the contract that if
you have a conduct detrimental all future guaranteed could be voided.
You do realize that, if I'm not mistaken, I think
the way they do it now to guarantee the first
round of the money is guaranteed. So, in other words,
he has a slip up this year, next year, the
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year after, and the year after money could potentially be voided.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Are they out of their mind.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
That is the reason why you have an agent, is
that you're supposed to take advice from the agent. You
didn't because see they want to take advantage. Oh, we
are we treating him fairly? No you're not. No, you're not.
Nobody else does this. Y'all trying to be slick and
they know they're starting dangerous. You gotta be careful with
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president ojo precedent because now they're gonna try everybody. You
start doing that, everybody go, try to start to slip
that in there. Nah, you're not finna do that. If
you want to punish me for something I did this year,
by all means. But to take all the future guaranteed
when the contract is more time than not is guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Absolutely not oyo.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Yeah, I totally understand what you're saying.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
Obviously, I don't like the hypothetical that was used in
the situation, being that if you in prison and Mike
Brown saying if just so happened, he goes to prison,
I shouldn't have to pay him for that matter. I
think it should be a year to year thing. I
think the agent should have come to that conclusion a
very long time ago, based on yearly listen, year one.
If something happens that detrimental conduct detrimental to the team,
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then money for that specific year should not have to
be paid. There should be some type of penalty where
the players, not the player, that the owners can protect
themselves and not having to play. But what's fair is fair,
and what I think what they're trying to do is
not fair. They're trying to set a precedent a certain
president that if Shamar Stewart the first one, then everyone
else it's a copycat league. If one team does it
(02:41):
and a Shamar Stewart and his agent allow it to happen,
then it would be a trickle effect and everyone else
will start implementing that and setting the president as well.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Then owner Mike Brown said, it's not about money, it's
about guarantee. In this case of if he were to
do something contrary to the discipline levels of the league.
I don't think that's going to ever happen. That's what's
holding it up. It's never happened as long as I
can remember. His agent wants it to be if he
acted in a terrible fashion.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
This is all hypothetical.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Something that rides to the level of him going to prison,
we'd be on the line for the guarantee.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Yeah, that's how it works.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Yeah. But but oh Joe, but guess what they want
to be at a situation if we cut you, even
if I got guaranteed money, I cut you, I ain't
gotta pay you.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
That's what guaranteed me.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Hold on. If I the only one to understands what
the word guaranteed mean, do choke. Yeah, that's how it works.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
You don't.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
You don't get you don't get to determine that. Well,
you did something year one, Now we're gonna punish you
year two, year three, year four. Ah, Bro, that don't
work like that. Yeah, I mean if it goes if
it goes to arbitration, you know. He and that's what
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we have. We have an independent arbiter and they hear
both sides and if they say, okay, okay, I can.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Live with that.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
But for you to me to just give you that
kind of control, just give up that absolutely, no way
in hell would I ever do that.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
And he said, it's not about the money. It is
about the money.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Guarantee is about guaranteed money.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
Definitely about the money.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
But listen, e shoose me Shamar Stewart and his representation
are in a tough spot. The Bengals of Browns and
Mike Brown, Katie and Douketobin, they're also in a tough spot.
I would love for the matter of resolved training campus
or started. The rookies have already reported, so he's actually
missing time, valuable time where I think he can come
in and make a difference based on what I've seen
(04:48):
on film. You know with college tape, he can come
in and make a difference. Our defense was very bad
last year. We need all hands on deck. We need
all hands on deck based on how we as a
team and organization start every goddamn season in a hole
having to dig ourselves and dig our way out of it.
The point of having the draft is the draft people
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and draft players that we think we can benefit from
and help our team. And this situation right here is
not helping us in any way, shape, form of fashion
to reach the end goal. We all have the same
end goal we're trying to get to. Lombardi were trying
to be in San frank fucking Cisco come February week one,
and this is not the type of business and going
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about doing so. I hope they get the matter resolved.
I'm sick of talking about it. You know, I'm sorry
for being a little frustrated. I'm a little passionate about
my team a little bit, you know. And listen, Shamar
Stewart has to do it right. His representation is doing
exactly what they should do. This is business. This is
the ugly side of business. I know, you want to
(05:53):
go out there and play football. I got drafted. I
finally achieved and reach my childhood dream of getting drafted
to an NFL team.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
It just so happened.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
Now the business gets in the way, the ugly side
of it, and you wonder why I had so much
fun while I was playing to get away from this
side this part, man, I hope, I hope it.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
But you notice how the Bengals, now why not why
didn't the thirty other one of the teams did the hypotheticals?
You noticed how hypothetics do only happen to the Bengals.
If he were to go to prison or something, I
don't think that's going to happen. Just like they said,
oh this like he might best behave running fire with
the league. I don't think that's going to happen. Well,
if you don't think that's going to happen. Why you're
putting language in there?
Speaker 4 (06:37):
I have an O question, an excuse you for my
lack of ignorance and lack of knowledge on his past history.
Does he have character issues or stuff that happened previously
in the past, but that that that I don't know about,
because that, to me, that would be the only reason
this specific player, these clauses would want to be implemented
(06:58):
into his contract.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Because I thought you came in with a clean slate,
That's what they told us. Now I noticed now you
I don't know if you remember this. You remember when
they Torail prior to Rail, Prior sold some of his
game war and stuff, the stuff that he got for winning.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
The Big Ten championship Ohio State. He sold his jersey.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Now, this happened in college, and when he got to
the league, the league suspended him for five games.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
I was outraised.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
I said, how in the hell, since when can you
punish me for something? Oh, Joe, let's just say, for
the sake of argument, I'm a college kid and I get.
Speaker 5 (07:34):
A d U.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
I in college. I graduate college. He do an unbelievable job.
I graduate with honors. I get this job, and the
job tells me, well, we're gonna take too much salary
from you because you got a DUI that didn't have.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Nothing to do when that I wasn't even on the job.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Whatever Shamar's Summart Jamar, whatever he did or didn't do,
he didn't do it on the Bengals clock. How do
you get to punish somebody for something they didn't do
when they didn't work for you.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
But also, this is their entity, this is their business.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
So when it comes to business, something that you do
know is businesses, they do everything they can, especially contractually,
to be able to protect themselves, justs in case what
you did back then, in case your past creeps in
while you're working.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
For they have they put this in their contract? Is
this in Joe Burrow's contract? Is this in Chase his contract?
Was this in Anthony Munjos's contract? With this in Boomer
Scienzing's contract? Because this is the same ownership that's owned that.
So I need to know now, if this is what
they've always done.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
I don't have a problem with it.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
I might not like it, but if this is something new,
I'm not going to be your test dummy. I'm not
going to be your guinea pig to start this President.
You can start it next year, but I will allow
allow you to start the precedent with me.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
Oh hey, that's a good one. Hey, it's a tough spot. Hey,
I know fans of pissed, fans of piss hell. Can
you can you can tell the way I'm talking like,
I'm sick of talking about it because I want to
see young Bull in camp. But I also I see
both sides, for sure. I see both sides. Of course,
of course, me always having the side with it. I
got the side of the playoff. As much as I
love my Bengals, I got the side of the playoff.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
More time than not.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
I do too, O Joe. But I believe in right
is right, wrong is wrong, and I think that I
think the Bengals are wrong in this situation. And to
say you're receiving bad advice, that's why you, O Joe.
Why would I hire financial advisor if I'm not gonna
listen to it somebody. I'm gonna give somebody millions of
dollars to invest my money and then they say, well
this is safe. It's not gonna give you twenty thirty
(09:50):
forty percent. But it's gonna give you a consistent six
to eight percent, because when you take those huge swings,
there's a chance, right, they don't hit.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
This is safe.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Now, once you get to a certain level, you say, Okay,
I got a couple of extra dollars, I want to
put it in something here, a little more risky.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
That's gonna give me more bang for my buck, something
that can give me three x two x four x
five x.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
But that's a huge risk because for every uber eats
or ring, there's something that does not hit.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
See, they are all the ones.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
We look at the big coins that we look at
the uber eats, and we look at the amazons.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
But do you know how many companies have gone.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Belly up and that never the IPO net was was nothing.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Yes, thousans.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
So that's the whole reason is that I listen, I
hired a guy for a reason. If I thought I
could do it on my own, I damn sure we'd
want to. Didn't care to give somebody three to four percent,
But I knew I couldn't do it on my own.
And then I didn't want to hear them talk some
BULLGEI because here I was taking these injections and giving
my all and you telling me I'm losing the step?
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Was I losing the step before or after I started
taking them injections? And I was out more than one
hundred percent? Out there?
Speaker 4 (11:08):
Wait a minute, speak speaking of that, Speaking of that,
I'm glad you just said that. I'm so glad you
just said. Please tell me talk about that team that
we so called America's team based on the comments that
we said about sticks.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
We're gonna get that. We're gonna get to that.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
Okay, okay, okay, Gods, you want to make sure we
got in the lineup now because he got a nerve
the audacity.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
The Gold CBS Ports give their NFL Triplet ranking. The
Bengals Oh Joe are number one thanks to Joe Burrow,
running back Chase Brown's and Jamar Chase. The Philadelphia Eagles
are number two. Jalen Hurts, sa Kwan Barkley, AJ Brown,
Baltimore Ravens are number three, Lamar Jackson, Derrick Henry, Zave Flowers,
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Detroit Lions are number four, Jared Goff, gibbs On under Ross,
Saint Brown, and rounding out the top five is the
Kansas City Chiefs, Patrick Mahomes, Isaiah Pacheco and Rashee Rice. Oh, okay,
we've got ten. Buffalo was number six, Josh Allen, James Cook,
Khalil Shakir Rams number seven, Matthew Stafford, Tyn Williams, Hooka Nakua,
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the forty nine ers, thanks the Brock Purty, Christian McCaffrey,
George Kittle, number nine, Baker Mayfield, Bucker Irving, Bucky Irving,
Mike Evans rounding out the top ten Dak Prescott, Jafonte
Williams and c d lamb Ocho.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Yeah, any objections?
Speaker 2 (12:41):
You like it? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (12:43):
I mean, listen, as much as I love my Bengals,
there's no reason we should be number one. There's no
reason we should be number one. Number one should be
the Philadelphia Eagles. Hey, listen, Number one should be the
Philadelphia Eagles.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Listen.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
I love Chase Brown and obviously Joe Doug jis does
what it's not even close especially and obviously, and not
to be rude, not to be disrespectful, but where were
the Ravens again?
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Ravens was three.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
I would put the Ravens in front of it. I
would put the Ravens in front of in front of
the Bengals as well.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Hell, you could make a case Detroit should go in
front of the Bengals.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
With with Gibbs, who was the three who was the
three for the for the Lions, Uh.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Jered gob Jamir Gibbs and.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
Brown and listen, and that's inter changeable over there, you
can go Gibbs over on.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (13:31):
So I mean, if anything to be fair, I'd put
the Bengals maybe at four maybe five O Joe.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
This is why I agree with you. And I'm saying
because I think the gap between the running backs, yes,
it's greater than the distance between Chase and say Alman
Ross Saint Brown or Chase and A J. Brown or
Chase and and and and and and Zay Flowers. That's
that's that's why I think Bengal should be Look. Uh,
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and there's not a gap. There's not that big of
a gap. If there is a gap between Lamar Jackson
and Joe Burrow.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
No.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Now, if you want to say, okay, Jalen Hurst doesn't
throw the ball, but that's not their offense.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
It's not their game.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
But Chase Chase, Chase Brown with the running back position.
And you're talking about Derrick Henry, talking about Sat Kwan
Barkley talking about Jamiir Gibbs.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
No man, Yeah, yeah, yeah, listen.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
As much as I love my bangles, I'm fair.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
I'm gonna be fair and I'm gonna be gott to
be I'm gonna be fair and I'm gonna be realistic.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Yes. Now, when you talk about Khalil Shakir and the
receiving position, I think that come on that Chase, that's
like Chase, that's like Brown with sa Kuan, Derrick, Henry,
Jamiir Gibbs. When you talk about Chase and Khalil Shakir. Yes, Now,
now we're onto something McCaffrey. It's kind of hard to
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have forty nine event any higher for the simple fact
of help of McCaffrey.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Yeah, I like the Bucks made it. The Bucks should
have made it. Yeah, sensational. Baker played extremely since he's
been in Tampa, Baker Mayfield has played extremely well.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Let's give credit where credits due.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
I have no problem that he's found a home, he's
found someone that believed in it, and give him an
opportunity and he gets to be Baker Baker Mayfield, the
Baker Mayfield that we saw at Oklahoma. We get to
see this guy. Now, Yeah, the Cowboys, I don't really
have a problem. I don't have a what was the
running back before Javonte Williams got there?
Speaker 4 (15:33):
Uh, well your guess as good as mine.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Yeah, oh Rick, o'dondell Okay, I look okay, ten Okay,
Cowboys Dak, But Dak's coming out an injury. Also, Javontay
Williams was now he's another year removed from that knee injury.
He didn't play very well as last year in Denver.
We understand CD y CD's there.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
Yeah, absolutely, we'll talk, but the later on the season
get over.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Yeah, but yeah, I agree with you, Ojo the Bengals.
It's just a mere fact that Chase the gap between
sa Quan Derrick Henry is a bigger gap between Jamar Chase,
aj Brown, Jamar Chase and Jason za Flowers. Yeah. Absolutely absolutely,
And so with that being said, yeah, and I get it.
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Joe Burrow had a history. He led the league and
passing touchdowns. Last year he led the league in passing yards.
And I understand Chase Chase won the triple Crown. Yes,
but how many yards did Chase Chase Brown have because
one guy had two thousand.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
That's a good question. Many then another guy had nineteen
twenty one.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Right, and Jamiir Gibbs, even after splitting carries, probably had
thirteen fourteen hundred yards.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
That's great imagining.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
So I think the gap with the running back gap.
There's a bigger gap between the running back Saquon Barkley,
Dereck Henry, Jamir Gibbs, and Chase Brown. And there is
between Jamar Chase Zave Flowers, A J. Brown and I'm
in Ross Saint Brown. Yeah, that's just me, now, Chad.
I mean, y'all can have that it. Y'all can chop
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it up. Y'all could agree or disagree with Ocho. And
I said, but had I think the Eagles, I would
I would put the Eagles one. I would put the
Ravens two. Now three and three. Now I'm having a
I'm really having to think about three. And that's between
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Detroit and Cincinnati, O Jo.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
That's just me, honestly, because Detroit and this is no
district back to Chase Brown, good good running back. I'm
putting Detroit at three simply because they had that doubleheaded monster.
You could just pick who you want to go with. Yes,
the purpose may be they God damn Jamier Gibbson and
amn Ron golf is special, Yes, it's special.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
How many yarths they Chase Brown had last year? Nine ninety?
Okay he was ten from a thousand. One guy had
two thousand, the other guy had nineteen twenty one. Yeah, no, yeah,
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look the bill. I don't I don't really have a
problem with anybody else that's on this list because we're
looking down. Okay, we looked down. Who else could could?
Speaker 5 (18:31):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (18:32):
The Texans with CJ. Stroud, Joe College, go Collins.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
That's that's a good one.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Okay. Jacksonville Tank Bigsby, Brian Thomas Jr. Okay, you will
leave Trevor Lawrence. I okay, take him off. They got
a triple, but it doesn't it doesn't deserve to make
the top ten. Okay. What about Washington, Oh, Jane Daniels,
Terry mcclaurin, Robinson, Bryan Robinson.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
They was twelve.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
That's that. That's that's fair. That's fair. The Dolphins, you
got a chan you got Riek, you got tour. Yeah no, no,
not in front of the cowboys. You don't think you
don't think the.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
Commanders from in front of the crowd in front of
the Cowboys.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Yes, that's what I say. Yeah, I know I don't
think they should be a top five, but I'm.
Speaker 4 (19:27):
Just saying, okay, okay, okay, I thought you were saying
top five like no.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
No, no, no, no, no, no, Commander's nord.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
The other team should be top five because although a
change inspected. No, the Commanders can't because Brian Robinson. Let
me see, would I take Brian Robinson over Chase Brown?
Hell yeah, but I'm not taking over Saint Quan. I'm
not taking over there. I'm not taking them over Gibbs.
Hell no, yeah, I'm not taking it there and I'm
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not and I'm not taking you know, I love Terry mclumin.
I'm not taking them over Za Flowers or A j
Or I'm ra I'm not.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
Whoa whoa, whoa, whoa whoa whoa slow down, slow down?
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Got you taking over A J.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Brown? Hold on?
Speaker 4 (20:09):
You say you're not taking Ted McLaurin over Saint Brown.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
No, I don't think I'll take him over Saint Brown
because it's you know what else.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Let me tell you why.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
It's hard Because one one play specifically outside, the other
is mainly inside, and so you look at Aman rah
arm and Ra had what one hundred and probably fifteen catches? Yeah, yeah,
he's he's customarily always over one hundred catches because he's
the slot. So what was it? What was his numbers?
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I'm and raw, look you look up and Rob, look
up Terry McClure. That's that's interesting.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
I know, I know, uh T Mac. I'mna call him
T Mac, call him T Max. I can't call him
scary Terry right now. I ain't call him scary Terry
until they pay.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Him, Okay. Armen Rath was second and catches right fifty yards?
Third in touchdowns? What do you had in What do
you had in yards by? What?
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Twelve sixty three?
Speaker 2 (21:09):
How many catches? Second in catches? One fifteen? God? Yes,
oh boy, the boy?
Speaker 4 (21:19):
Hey theybe one hundred and fifteen passes?
Speaker 1 (21:22):
No, that's another fifteen catcher.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
He probably had one hundred and forty five to one
hundred and fifty targets.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
Hey, man, I'm trying.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
I'm I wish, I wish I was able to do
the math. If you take my best season, whatever it
might have been, and you did the numbers based on
yards would catch. I think my highest my highest total
season catches like ninety seven. If I had one hundred
and fifteen catches, I wonder what my numbers would look like.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
It's only a handful of guys gonna have that many catches.
With the deep crazy, you gotta look. So you got
to look at somebody like a moss. Yes, I mean
are you looking at I mean I'm talking about the
speed guy. A guy that's outside is catching the balls
like that.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Man, They're gonna be sixteen seventeen hundred yards O show.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Because if you think about it, you averaging fifteen yards
of catch you average in your best season, when you
had sixteen hundred yards or high fifteens, you was averaging
fifteen yards of catch. So just imagine one hundred and ten,
one hundred and fifteen, one hundred and twenty thirty catches.
Speaker 4 (22:22):
Imagine imagine this during that time, me, TJ. Hoosh, Chris Henry,
imagine if we had what they have implemented in everybody's
game playing to day, those little quick screens, those little
bubble screens, bubble, those little quick passes where you know
they get it in your hands and let you do it.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
You man.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Only handful of teams running that we started adopting that late,
like my last year or two in Denver. But prior
to that, the only team that really did that was
the Coats. Yeah, they were doing that.
Speaker 4 (22:49):
What about the Rams? What about the Rams? That greatest Rams,
the Ram Rams.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
The Rams kind of started it right with Isaac with Oak.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
They would do it.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
They would do it with Marshall fault that put Marshall
falk out and the no motion and throw it to him.
Hop call some of those Isaac, Bruce and then now
everybody just they'll just raise up and just throw the fault.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
The guy, the guy bubble, he'll be in the slot
and he'll bubble back.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
And they'll pop it to it. But it's it's a
different game now. Oh Joe, we had our time. We
played We played how we played it, because I can
assure you I heard Ozzie and Killing and all the
guys like, man, I'm sure we threw the ball like
y'all threw it today.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
I'm like, oh, you think we throw it?
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Hell, I don't know if y'all seen Denver's offenset. A
whole lot of throwing going on. Yeah, but look, Beingles one,
Eagles two, Baltimore three, Detroit four, Kansas City five. I
would go Eagles one, Baltimore two. I agree with you.
I would go Detroit three, Kansas City four, Uh not
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Kansas City Cincinnati.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
And yeah, I was gonna say, I ain't putting the
Chaco in in front of us since oh.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
Hell na, right, that's that's my toss up.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
My toss up is do I put Detroit three in
Sincy four? Or do I put Sincy three and leave
Detroit at four?
Speaker 1 (24:10):
But two?
Speaker 2 (24:11):
And but the Eagles and and Baltimore should be one two? Well,
hold on three.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
I'm doing Detroit at three and I'm putting the Bengals four.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
And that's what I'm saying. That's what my toss up.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
Heel, okay, okay, okay, listen. That's that's not even a
toss up for me.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
That's a no brainer.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Wow, that's a no brain on miam. But me no
brainer is Eagles at one, Baltimore two.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Absolutely, absolutely, Yeah Cowboys. But you know, we talked about Washington,
we talked about hell well, no, they ain't got no quarterback.
And I think I know Atlanta and Atlanta didn't really
have the quarterback situation because I can't put that kind
of stock because I like Atlanta's running back and I.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
Like Drake Loganjian is nice and Drake n I like.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
I like Michael Pittman Jr. I like Jonathan Taylor. But
I'm uncertain about their quarterback position. You see what I'm saying,
O Joe, Yeah, I'm not sure about Minnesota. I know Jetta,
I know Jones, but who's the quarterback? JJ McCarthy. I
ain't seen him throw, not one NFL pass. We just
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we just saw with.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
Why Why why am I drawing a blank on the quarterback?
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Oh you're talking about for Minnesota?
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Yeah? From last year? Why am I drawing a blank?
Speaker 1 (25:30):
In Seattle?
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Now? Uh?
Speaker 4 (25:34):
What Sam Donald? Sam Donald? Listen, we saw Sam Donald
in New York. Yeah, Okay, we saw Sam Donald. He
was somewhere else before he went to Minnesota. He's with
the Jets, he's with San Francisco Bingo. We saw what
he did with the Minnesota Vikings last year. Historic run,
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historic season for him individually. Right, So you think J
McCarthy gonna come in and do but you got there justin.
Jefferson is still there.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
He gonna be all right, hen.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
Slanging that you ain't really gotta do much when you're
when you're a quarterback like that, even I it's gonna
be your first year playing. You're not a rookie. You're
going into your second year. But what's around you is
so great. All you have to do is just facilitate
the ball and don't make any mistakes.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
That's but see, that's the thing. You see how you
have to play. You talk about don't make any mistakes.
Sam Sam Darnold had a historic season. Yes, Now the
thing is, plus he has some season, he was seasoned.
He understood this offense because it's a very similar offense
to what they run in San Francisco. So it's gonna
be interesting to see. But I understand why they didn't
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put him up there because I understand Jones. I understand Jetta,
but I'm not sure about the quarterback position, right, I'm
just not so. I mean, not the forty nine ers,
the Chargers, what about the Chargers, Ladd Conky, Justin Herbert.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
They got Nigie Harris, but.
Speaker 4 (27:03):
When he didn't have Nigie Harris, Now that's right, that's right.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Jared Jones shows the opening training camp by taking a
shot at Michael Parsons.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Oh show, let's take a listen to what Jerry had
to say.
Speaker 5 (27:21):
Just because we signed him doesn't mean we're going to
have him. He was hurt six games last year. Seriously,
we've signed uh. I remember signing a player for the
highest paid at the position in the league and he
got knocked out two thirds of the year Dark Prescott.
So there's a lot of things you can think about
when you just as the player does when you're thinking
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about committing and guaranteeing money.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
He just can't help himself.
Speaker 4 (27:51):
Dallas Cowboys fans, Dallas Cowboy players, this is your head coach.
This is your excuse me, head coach. Hey, this is
the man that he is the head coach, hu, this
is the man that the show.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
This is the man. This let you know in short
term how they really feel about you.
Speaker 4 (28:11):
After This is how they really feel about you. There's
nothing like getting taking a dig or taking a shot
at your two star players, your two star players. Oh well,
I made one of the highest paid but he missed it,
miss the season because of the injury. We play football,
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it's a contact sport. It's a barbaric sports. Sometimes injuries
do happen.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
I remember he made his I remember he made another quarterback,
the highest paid and he never took a shot of
him and he stayed injury. But that ain't none of
my business. I don't even know why I brought that
up about yo.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
This is who you have to go out there and
play for. This is who you have to go.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
I want to know if Tony Romo, your owner thinks
about you.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
But we know that.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
See.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
See.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
The thing is oh g see.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
I remember in twenty sixteen when Colin nip oh, But
Jerry loves his players. Jerry loves people that look like
you and I that can do something for it. Don't
you fool yourself to the mistake that people make. Oh Jerry, No,
no, no no no no no no no no. Michael Levin
could do things for it. Daz Bryant can do things
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for it. Emm Smith could do things for it. Charles
Haley could do things for it. Nate Newton, Larry Allen,
I could go on and on and on. Stop fooling yourself. Oh,
out of the kind and so your heart.
Speaker 4 (29:39):
Okay, okay, I have a question, and this is for
the Chat, for the people in chat as well. If
you play for the Cowboys organization, how would you feel
as a player understanding that's how the man who runs
the shoe and writes your checks felt about you.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
I already know how I feel about me. I've done
my home.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
How does that does that even give you the motivation
even want to go out play for that man? Outside
of the money.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
That's all I'm doing. See what he is upset?
Speaker 2 (30:09):
He's upset at Dak because Dak has always has imposed him.
Dak has already always been what it was. You're the owner,
I'm the player. A lot of players get close to Jerry.
Dak has never allowed that to happen. Todd Franz comes in,
does the negotiating, hard line boom, I'm up out of here,
that goes about his business. Dak ain't trying to go
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to his house. Dak is not trying to go out
and hang out with him. Dak is that Dak does
what he does. Dak now has a family, boom business.
You see he taking the shot at Michael because Michael
wouldn't let him, wouldn't let him glazing. Oh, oh, it's
between me and the player. You never did a deal
(30:54):
with just the player when the player had representation. But
you know what it's going to cost you because you
let Max Crosby get a new deal, You let Miles
Garrett get a new deal, You let TJ.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Watt get a big new deal. And guess what.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Michael Parsons is three to four years younger and all
of them, so guess what he's about to do.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
Pole vaudem So whatever TJ.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
Wh got, Michael Parson's gonna get a million to two
million dollars more. And don't give me that junk. I
play in Texas. Oh well I do. I know the
ain't no state income tax and I'm glad for that.
So that's forty two forty three million. Uncle, say, I'm
going to go get thirty six percent of it those
state taxes.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
Right, And I'm understanding. Obviously.
Speaker 4 (31:38):
I wanted to text Michael, I wanted to call him,
but I was like, you know what, I'm not even
gonna bother him.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
Just say how you feel? How does that make you feel?
Speaker 2 (31:47):
And I'm just I'm like croy oud that this is
my only thing my owner thinks about me. Now, what
about the time he missed some games? But I guarantee
you there's some games that he should have missed more
because I know Michael had some issues going on. But
that ain't nothing my business. I don't even know why
I brought that up again. Damn I keep telling people business.
Speaker 4 (32:05):
You know how many times all of us have played
the game of football and went out there anyway. Yeah,
it had to take toward all pills, had to take,
had to take the shot.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
Just and yeah for the same and the Marcaine Yeah, corterfone. Yes,
all that shooting up in your shoulders and then your knees.
Not why you shoot my kneither up? I shot my
ankles up, shot my shoulders up ribs did all that? O?
Speaker 1 (32:29):
Yo? Did all that?
Speaker 4 (32:31):
I mean, how do we not how do we not
understand and just have any self awareness where that's the
kind of stuff that you say to yourself. What you
never say out loud about the players that are on
your team. You don't say stuff like that out loud.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
Had the nerves dead and in my ankles, so I
couldn't feel no pain the whole that that's what nerves do.
They allow you to feel pain, And says, okay, hey,
bro back off that I had my nerves, had my
nerves and my ankles deadn't so I couldn't feel pay
so I could go out there and play and then
to have somebody talk like that, man, please, I'd have
lost it.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
I would have lost it.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
Hey.
Speaker 4 (33:11):
You know what's funny is when you think about the owners.
Obviously it's thirty two owners. I think Jerry is the
only one with the cohones to come out and say
how he really feels.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
No one else would do that.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
That's why would you what you saw today.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Nobody else why wouldn't but Jed Jerry. But see, that's
what Jerry wanted to be about him. See, Jared don't
want no superstar because you know why he want a
superstar because he would never take a Tom Brady. He
would never He couldn't play for Teyton Manny because they'd
be bigger than he is and he don't want that
to happen. Right, I've been bad fortune. I played for
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two owners, mister Bowland. I did something for his his
his family today, Yes, sir, but Joe, it was about us.
We were the superstars. Jam amount of time, sharply, I
ain't catching no pass, shopper, I ain't making no tackles.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
What the hell?
Speaker 2 (34:02):
I need to be up there and talking and carry
it on. That's what I pay you guys for I said,
you play us quite well. I don't I don't get
why Jerry felt to open up training camp like this.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Everything that comes up doesn't need to come out right, but.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
Michael or what you're thinking doesn't need to be said.
Speaker 4 (34:30):
Every little thought, especially stuff that you know, is gonna
ruffle people's feathers.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
Catch me the headlines. Hell, the only thing that should
be catching.
Speaker 4 (34:39):
Headlines today is Cowboys open up training camp and George
picking looks motherfucking good.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
Excuse my language, sorry, George Pickens look good.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Day one.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
That's it.
Speaker 4 (34:51):
That's what that should be the conversation, not what you
said about Dak what you said about Michael Man.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
JJ Watt took to a Twitter excuse me x to
defend him. Anytime you can publicly take a dig, get
your star quarterback and your young star pass Russell simultaneously
right before the season begins, you gotta just take it.
Nothing makes guys want to fight for you more than
hearing how upset you are that they got hurt while
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fighting for you.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
Michael reposted that no discount for you.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
Jerry, m Wait, hold on, hold on, what if what
if you think?
Speaker 4 (35:30):
Excuse me? What if it even goes worse? What if
Michael says, you know that that's how you feel about me?
Speaker 2 (35:35):
Trade men't trade?
Speaker 3 (35:37):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (35:40):
Then what.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
It's the funny thing is funny.
Speaker 4 (35:45):
I'm just finding out all about Jerry's ways because I
never played for the Cowboys, and obviously when I was playing,
you know, I'm i'm I'm I'm blind to what's going
on over there, but you don't want to introduce me
and told me about the whole thing with Jimmy Johnson.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
Yeah, so that that raised my eyebrows.
Speaker 4 (36:04):
But I thought, Okay, maybe that's just okay, maybe that's
just a one off. Maybe they just had a disagreement
and he not really liked that, but they got into it.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
But he thought after three years, he thought, after he
hired eighty nine with Jimmy's first year, that's the year
he took over. He brought the I think bum bright.
I think that's where he brought the Cowboys from. So
he took over him and him and Jimmy and eighty
nine Constroy with their first draft pick. They won the
championship in four in ninety two, win it again in
ninety three, again in ninety five. So in four years,
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so eighty nine, ninety ninety one, ninety two. So in
the fourth year, he thought he knew more football than Jimmy.
Now see Jimmy will see what Jimmy could do. Jimmy
was coming from college at the you so all these
guys is coming out yuess who knew him because he
tried to recruit him after you. Yeah, see Jerry think
because somebody handed him a piece of paper that they've
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done all the work for. See, Jerry's that guy that
does no part of the project, but he gets eighth.
You ain't do nothing. You just happened to own the team.
You did nothing. Jimmy, the scouts, the evaluators, they did
all the work. It burned them. It burned them.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
That Jimmy got the credit.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
Everybody gave Jimmy the credit, and he wanted Jimmy to
toast it.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
And that's that's a tough spot to be in for
a player.
Speaker 4 (37:29):
It has to be just to hear that from your
owner has to be a tough spot to be in.
Speaker 3 (37:35):
You know, he's running it.
Speaker 4 (37:36):
It's supposed to be a football team, it's supposed to
be an organization. But you're running it like I'm not
gonna say the P bird. You're running it like.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
The P word. Oh, Joe, as long as you.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
Saw James, Yes, yes, okay, okay, you see where I'm going. Yeah, okay,
you're running. You're running it like that.
Speaker 4 (37:55):
You don't say you don't you don't say that about
the players that you.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
Don't complain.
Speaker 4 (38:02):
Oh, I made the quarterback the highest state because you
fucking waited to pay him.
Speaker 3 (38:08):
You waited till the last minute.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
Waited to the last minute. You would got Michael Parsons
on the fifth year option, so you waited till the
last minute. He said it. And I used to say
this all the time. I am not going to give you.
I would give you a discount if you signed me
with a couple of years left, because now.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
You're giving me guaranteed money. I'm not giving you a disk.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
Account if you make me get to the punctuation v
end No, bro, I got to get maximum dollar out
of you, max value. But see, here's the thing on Joe,
I know who Jerry is. And as long as they
know who Jerry is, they should never have a problem
with it. He applauds to what you do, not who
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you are. It's transactional to him, you can provide a service,
a damn good one.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
He's gonna pat you on the back.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
But if you think it's anything more than that, you're
selling mistaking, sadly mistaken.
Speaker 3 (39:05):
And man, that's that's I ain't never heard nothing like that.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
Now.
Speaker 3 (39:09):
I know a lot of them think like that. One
thing to think, But actually.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
Sa bro, listen, see a lot of times people want
to they'll take what he says about them. But I
listen to what he says about everything else and how
he handles everything else.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
That told me a lot.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
Yeah. Oh you're told are gonna be on the line.
Your hand's gonna be over the heart.
Speaker 3 (39:37):
Oh oh oh doing that? Oh yeah, yeah, Okay.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
I see what we go with this? Yeah, I see
what I see how you think?
Speaker 3 (39:46):
Yeah, I mean, listen, it's unfortunate you.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
I hate to, Like I said, I know Michael Little,
I like him a lot, great personality.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
No, it's represented it.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
But I'm gonna be very very disappointed if y'all don't
rack Jerry ass cross the colst If y'all don't get
at least forty two forty three million dollars, If y'all
don't get if y'all don't get ten million if y'all
don't get five million.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
More than what TJ Watt got.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
TJ got three years, one hundred and forty three million,
he got one hundred and eight guaranteed with one year.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
Oh man, y'all better get.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
You one hundred and fifteen million guarantee under guaranteed. As
a matter of fact, Jerry, since you've been nasty, I
want a hundred of it and signing. I want a
hundred up about what than fifteen and signing.
Speaker 3 (40:32):
As soon as I signed out of line, I'm not
even shaking hand day.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
I'm not happy to be a cowboy, but I'm more
happy than I get to a secure of my family.
This is generational wealth, my family, my dad, my brother. Hey,
we're good now.
Speaker 3 (40:48):
Oh that's crazy, Dot he really said that out loud.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
Yeah that's oh, Joe. Don't you like that? Don't you
let me know where I'm staying with you? See so
far too many times, far too many times, I just
need to know. See that's the difference between the South
and the North, and it's how there. You know. They
don't like it. They tell you, yeah, I don't like you.
Speaker 5 (41:17):
Bob.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
As opposed to hide, right, Yeah, they'll tell y'all what
he thinks.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
Michael actually reported the training camp today despite the contract
stand up? Should know? Should Michael trust Jerry Joe's enough
to report the camp? Yeah, I'm gonna report to camp.
I'm a report to camp. I don't want to get
no money back. I don't want to, but I just
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because they've tried to. That's another thing. Oh, Joe, see
see what they put in there? Now, Hey, there's no forgiveness,
though it doubles. I mean, what did it started up?
Fifteen thousand, thirty thousand, You missed ten, you missed ten,
fifteen days of practice. That's over a million dollars that
the team can't forget. Forgive mm hmm. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (42:13):
But now that you know, you go on there. You
know you play the game.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
Hey, I'm playing the game for they say the game.
I'm playing with the number, the name on the back
of my jersey. Eft that name on the front. Because
that's what you said to me.
Speaker 4 (42:29):
Yeah, basically basically and not so many words. Yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (42:38):
So hey, go do what you do, Michael.
Speaker 2 (42:44):
I hope Michael get twenty five sacks and the fifty
and the forty million. You're gonna pass fifty now fifty Mili, Michael,
hopefully you get a contract extension. What's Michael playing on?
What's this fifty option? Twenty?
Speaker 5 (43:00):
What?
Speaker 2 (43:10):
Because he's outside, he's the edge or here d n
twenty four minutes? Michael, All you do is that you
pay your monthly expenses. Don't you buy nothing, don't you
buy a car? Don't you ay tell your mom and
dad say look here, there will be no expenses going on.
I'm gonna play my rent. I'm gonna pay X, Y
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and Z. I'm just gonna pay monthly expenses. I wist
sit tight because if this, you know what, try to
franchise me. I'm not coming. I'm not signing, no franchise tag.
I'm not signing a franchise tag. Not gonna do it.
Speaker 3 (43:49):
Hey, you think you think you would play with him?
Speaker 2 (43:52):
Yeah, you do realize here's the thing. Oh Joe, you
didn't do it to me. Now, so you've made run
the gauntlet two years in the row. Well, oh no, bro,
I got to hit you over the head with a
heavy hammer.
Speaker 1 (44:10):
Yes, absolutely, if I'm Michael, Yes, the.
Speaker 2 (44:13):
Price goes the price goes up ten percent every year
that you don't get this done.
Speaker 1 (44:16):
So right now, it's forty two million. You don't pay
me this year.
Speaker 2 (44:19):
Guess what it is a ten percent increase forty six million,
and plus another ten percent on the sign up on
the guaranteed money. I don't.
Speaker 3 (44:30):
I don't is he does he purposely? What is the method?
You did it with CD Lamb? You did it with that?
You did d Elliott? Because he's he's.
Speaker 2 (44:41):
Thinking they're going to give him a discount. I'm not
giving you a discount when you're making me run to
the last year of the contract. Oh Joe, I'm not
see he thought that would give him a discount, like
Wentz and Golf gave their teams discounts. But those teams,
they were first and second overall pick, they got huge.
Their total contract was guaranteed. They got four they got
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thirty five million, they got thirty two million fully guaranteed.
I don't know what that That was the fourth round pick,
So I don't really know what those numbers are. Then
three years into the deal they give a new contract.
That is what they did with that. So, oh Joe,
I've already gotten thirty two thirty three billion dollars are guaranteed,
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plus you come to me early. Okay, I give you
a little discount, I help you, I help the salary camp.
Speaker 3 (45:31):
Right, understandable.
Speaker 2 (45:33):
I'm not giving you a discount when I'm that low
of a draft pick. My first contract, not first one.
I'm trying to split your dome. Oh yes, absolutely, Now
I might give you one the second one, but that's
my choosing. No, you say, oh, you know, you tell
me that's you know, football business and let football people
(45:54):
do football things. Well, I'm gonna let y'all handle that
salary camp. So my job is not to try to
help y'all manage all salary cap I'm trying to extract
because I care just about as much as winning as
you do. Jerry Jones has shown you over the last
thirty years he doesn't care about winning.
Speaker 1 (46:12):
So guess what me either,
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Speaker 2 (00:01):
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
You're gonna make o Jo crack.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
We got to talk about your team. The Bengals want
the finger at Shamir Shamar Stewart's Shamar Stewart's agent over
the contract drama. First, Bengals Director of Player Personnel Duke
Tobin pointed the finger at Stuart's representation. He needs to
be here. I would encourage him to be here. He's
listening to advice. He's paying from it for his agent.
(00:37):
I don't understand the advice. We're treating him fairly. No,
you're not.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
No, you're not.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Nobody else put that language in the contract that if
you have a conduct detrimental all future guaranteed could be voided.
You do realize that, if I'm not mistaken, I think
the way they do it now to guarantee the first
round of the money is guaranteed. So, in other words,
he has a slip up this year, next year, the
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year after, and the year after money could potentially be voided.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Are they out of their mind.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
That is the reason why you have an agent, is
that you're supposed to take advice from the agent. You
didn't because see they want to take advantage. Oh, we
are we treating him fairly? No you're not. No, you're not.
Nobody else does this. Y'all trying to be slick and
they know they're starting dangerous. You gotta be careful with
(01:33):
president ojo precedent because now they're gonna try everybody. You
start doing that, everybody go, try to start to slip
that in there. Nah, you're not finna do that. If
you want to punish me for something I did this year,
by all means. But to take all the future guaranteed
when the contract is more time than not is guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Absolutely not oyo.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Yeah, I totally understand what you're saying.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
Obviously, I don't like the hypothetical that was used in
the situation, being that if you in prison and Mike
Brown saying if just so happened, he goes to prison,
I shouldn't have to pay him for that matter. I
think it should be a year to year thing. I
think the agent should have come to that conclusion a
very long time ago, based on yearly listen, year one.
If something happens that detrimental conduct detrimental to the team,
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then money for that specific year should not have to
be paid. There should be some type of penalty where
the players, not the player, that the owners can protect
themselves and not having to play. But what's fair is fair,
and what I think what they're trying to do is
not fair. They're trying to set a precedent a certain
president that if Shamar Stewart the first one, then everyone
else it's a copycat league. If one team does it
(02:41):
and a Shamar Stewart and his agent allow it to happen,
then it would be a trickle effect and everyone else
will start implementing that and setting the president as well.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Then owner Mike Brown said, it's not about money, it's
about guarantee. In this case of if he were to
do something contrary to the discipline levels of the league.
I don't think that's going to ever happen. That's what's
holding it up. It's never happened as long as I
can remember. His agent wants it to be if he
acted in a terrible fashion.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
This is all hypothetical.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Something that rides to the level of him going to prison,
we'd be on the line for the guarantee.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Yeah, that's how it works.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Yeah. But but oh Joe, but guess what they want
to be at a situation if we cut you, even
if I got guaranteed money, I cut you, I ain't
gotta pay you.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
That's what guaranteed me.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Hold on. If I the only one to understands what
the word guaranteed mean, do choke. Yeah, that's how it works.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
You don't.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
You don't get you don't get to determine that. Well,
you did something year one, Now we're gonna punish you
year two, year three, year four. Ah, Bro, that don't
work like that. Yeah, I mean if it goes if
it goes to arbitration, you know. He and that's what
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we have. We have an independent arbiter and they hear
both sides and if they say, okay, okay, I can.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Live with that.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
But for you to me to just give you that
kind of control, just give up that absolutely, no way
in hell would I ever do that.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
And he said, it's not about the money. It is
about the money.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Guarantee is about guaranteed money.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
Definitely about the money.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
But listen, e shoose me Shamar Stewart and his representation
are in a tough spot. The Bengals of Browns and
Mike Brown, Katie and Douketobin, they're also in a tough spot.
I would love for the matter of resolved training campus
or started. The rookies have already reported, so he's actually
missing time, valuable time where I think he can come
in and make a difference based on what I've seen
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on film. You know with college tape, he can come
in and make a difference. Our defense was very bad
last year. We need all hands on deck. We need
all hands on deck based on how we as a
team and organization start every goddamn season in a hole
having to dig ourselves and dig our way out of it.
The point of having the draft is the draft people
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and draft players that we think we can benefit from
and help our team. And this situation right here is
not helping us in any way, shape, form of fashion
to reach the end goal. We all have the same
end goal we're trying to get to. Lombardi were trying
to be in San frank fucking Cisco come February week one,
and this is not the type of business and going
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about doing so. I hope they get the matter resolved.
I'm sick of talking about it. You know, I'm sorry
for being a little frustrated. I'm a little passionate about
my team a little bit, you know. And listen, Shamar
Stewart has to do it right. His representation is doing
exactly what they should do. This is business. This is
the ugly side of business. I know, you want to
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go out there and play football. I got drafted. I
finally achieved and reach my childhood dream of getting drafted
to an NFL team.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
It just so happened.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
Now the business gets in the way, the ugly side
of it, and you wonder why I had so much
fun while I was playing to get away from this
side this part, man, I hope, I hope it.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
But you notice how the Bengals, now why not why
didn't the thirty other one of the teams did the hypotheticals?
You noticed how hypothetics do only happen to the Bengals.
If he were to go to prison or something, I
don't think that's going to happen. Just like they said,
oh this like he might best behave running fire with
the league. I don't think that's going to happen. Well,
if you don't think that's going to happen. Why you're
putting language in there?
Speaker 4 (06:37):
I have an O question, an excuse you for my
lack of ignorance and lack of knowledge on his past history.
Does he have character issues or stuff that happened previously
in the past, but that that that I don't know about,
because that, to me, that would be the only reason
this specific player, these clauses would want to be implemented
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into his contract.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Because I thought you came in with a clean slate,
That's what they told us. Now I noticed now you
I don't know if you remember this. You remember when
they Torail prior to Rail, Prior sold some of his
game war and stuff, the stuff that he got for winning.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
The Big Ten championship Ohio State. He sold his jersey.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Now, this happened in college, and when he got to
the league, the league suspended him for five games.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
I was outraised.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
I said, how in the hell, since when can you
punish me for something? Oh, Joe, let's just say, for
the sake of argument, I'm a college kid and I get.
Speaker 5 (07:34):
A d U.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
I in college. I graduate college. He do an unbelievable job.
I graduate with honors. I get this job, and the
job tells me, well, we're gonna take too much salary
from you because you got a DUI that didn't have.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Nothing to do when that I wasn't even on the job.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Whatever Shamar's Summart Jamar, whatever he did or didn't do,
he didn't do it on the Bengals clock. How do
you get to punish somebody for something they didn't do
when they didn't work for you.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
But also, this is their entity, this is their business.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
So when it comes to business, something that you do
know is businesses, they do everything they can, especially contractually,
to be able to protect themselves, justs in case what
you did back then, in case your past creeps in
while you're working.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
For they have they put this in their contract? Is
this in Joe Burrow's contract? Is this in Chase his contract?
Was this in Anthony Munjos's contract? With this in Boomer
Scienzing's contract? Because this is the same ownership that's owned that.
So I need to know now, if this is what
they've always done.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
I don't have a problem with it.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
I might not like it, but if this is something new,
I'm not going to be your test dummy. I'm not
going to be your guinea pig to start this President.
You can start it next year, but I will allow
allow you to start the precedent with me.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
Oh hey, that's a good one. Hey, it's a tough spot. Hey,
I know fans of pissed, fans of piss hell. Can
you can you can tell the way I'm talking like,
I'm sick of talking about it because I want to
see young Bull in camp. But I also I see
both sides, for sure. I see both sides. Of course,
of course, me always having the side with it. I
got the side of the playoff. As much as I
love my Bengals, I got the side of the playoff.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
More time than not.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
I do too, O Joe. But I believe in right
is right, wrong is wrong, and I think that I
think the Bengals are wrong in this situation. And to
say you're receiving bad advice, that's why you, O Joe.
Why would I hire financial advisor if I'm not gonna
listen to it somebody. I'm gonna give somebody millions of
dollars to invest my money and then they say, well
this is safe. It's not gonna give you twenty thirty
(09:50):
forty percent. But it's gonna give you a consistent six
to eight percent, because when you take those huge swings,
there's a chance, right, they don't hit.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
This is safe.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Now, once you get to a certain level, you say, Okay,
I got a couple of extra dollars, I want to
put it in something here, a little more risky.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
That's gonna give me more bang for my buck, something
that can give me three x two x four x
five x.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
But that's a huge risk because for every uber eats
or ring, there's something that does not hit.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
See, they are all the ones.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
We look at the big coins that we look at
the uber eats, and we look at the amazons.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
But do you know how many companies have gone.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Belly up and that never the IPO net was was nothing.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Yes, thousans.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
So that's the whole reason is that I listen, I
hired a guy for a reason. If I thought I
could do it on my own, I damn sure we'd
want to. Didn't care to give somebody three to four percent,
But I knew I couldn't do it on my own.
And then I didn't want to hear them talk some
BULLGEI because here I was taking these injections and giving
my all and you telling me I'm losing the step?
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Was I losing the step before or after I started
taking them injections? And I was out more than one
hundred percent? Out there?
Speaker 4 (11:08):
Wait a minute, speak speaking of that, Speaking of that,
I'm glad you just said that. I'm so glad you
just said. Please tell me talk about that team that
we so called America's team based on the comments that
we said about sticks.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
We're gonna get that. We're gonna get to that.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
Okay, okay, okay, Gods, you want to make sure we
got in the lineup now because he got a nerve
the audacity.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
The Gold CBS Ports give their NFL Triplet ranking. The
Bengals Oh Joe are number one thanks to Joe Burrow,
running back Chase Brown's and Jamar Chase. The Philadelphia Eagles
are number two. Jalen Hurts, sa Kwan Barkley, AJ Brown,
Baltimore Ravens are number three, Lamar Jackson, Derrick Henry, Zave Flowers,
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Detroit Lions are number four, Jared Goff, gibbs On under Ross,
Saint Brown, and rounding out the top five is the
Kansas City Chiefs, Patrick Mahomes, Isaiah Pacheco and Rashee Rice. Oh, okay,
we've got ten. Buffalo was number six, Josh Allen, James Cook,
Khalil Shakir Rams number seven, Matthew Stafford, Tyn Williams, Hooka Nakua,
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the forty nine ers, thanks the Brock Purty, Christian McCaffrey,
George Kittle, number nine, Baker Mayfield, Bucker Irving, Bucky Irving,
Mike Evans rounding out the top ten Dak Prescott, Jafonte
Williams and c d lamb Ocho.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Yeah, any objections?
Speaker 2 (12:41):
You like it? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (12:43):
I mean, listen, as much as I love my Bengals,
there's no reason we should be number one. There's no
reason we should be number one. Number one should be
the Philadelphia Eagles. Hey, listen, Number one should be the
Philadelphia Eagles.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Listen.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
I love Chase Brown and obviously Joe Doug jis does
what it's not even close especially and obviously, and not
to be rude, not to be disrespectful, but where were
the Ravens again?
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Ravens was three.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
I would put the Ravens in front of it. I
would put the Ravens in front of in front of
the Bengals as well.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Hell, you could make a case Detroit should go in
front of the Bengals.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
With with Gibbs, who was the three who was the
three for the for the Lions, Uh.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Jered gob Jamir Gibbs and.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
Brown and listen, and that's inter changeable over there, you
can go Gibbs over on.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (13:31):
So I mean, if anything to be fair, I'd put
the Bengals maybe at four maybe five O Joe.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
This is why I agree with you. And I'm saying
because I think the gap between the running backs, yes,
it's greater than the distance between Chase and say Alman
Ross Saint Brown or Chase and A J. Brown or
Chase and and and and and and Zay Flowers. That's
that's that's why I think Bengal should be Look. Uh,
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and there's not a gap. There's not that big of
a gap. If there is a gap between Lamar Jackson
and Joe Burrow.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
No.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Now, if you want to say, okay, Jalen Hurst doesn't
throw the ball, but that's not their offense.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
It's not their game.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
But Chase Chase, Chase Brown with the running back position.
And you're talking about Derrick Henry, talking about Sat Kwan
Barkley talking about Jamiir Gibbs.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
No man, Yeah, yeah, yeah, listen.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
As much as I love my bangles, I'm fair.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
I'm gonna be fair and I'm gonna be gott to
be I'm gonna be fair and I'm gonna be realistic.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Yes. Now, when you talk about Khalil Shakir and the
receiving position, I think that come on that Chase, that's
like Chase, that's like Brown with sa Kuan, Derrick, Henry,
Jamiir Gibbs. When you talk about Chase and Khalil Shakir. Yes, Now,
now we're onto something McCaffrey. It's kind of hard to
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have forty nine event any higher for the simple fact
of help of McCaffrey.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Yeah, I like the Bucks made it. The Bucks should
have made it. Yeah, sensational. Baker played extremely since he's
been in Tampa, Baker Mayfield has played extremely well.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Let's give credit where credits due.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
I have no problem that he's found a home, he's
found someone that believed in it, and give him an
opportunity and he gets to be Baker Baker Mayfield, the
Baker Mayfield that we saw at Oklahoma. We get to
see this guy. Now, Yeah, the Cowboys, I don't really
have a problem. I don't have a what was the
running back before Javonte Williams got there?
Speaker 4 (15:33):
Uh, well your guess as good as mine.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Yeah, oh Rick, o'dondell Okay, I look okay, ten Okay,
Cowboys Dak, But Dak's coming out an injury. Also, Javontay
Williams was now he's another year removed from that knee injury.
He didn't play very well as last year in Denver.
We understand CD y CD's there.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
Yeah, absolutely, we'll talk, but the later on the season
get over.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Yeah, but yeah, I agree with you, Ojo the Bengals.
It's just a mere fact that Chase the gap between
sa Quan Derrick Henry is a bigger gap between Jamar Chase,
aj Brown, Jamar Chase and Jason za Flowers. Yeah. Absolutely absolutely,
And so with that being said, yeah, and I get it.
(16:26):
Joe Burrow had a history. He led the league and
passing touchdowns. Last year he led the league in passing yards.
And I understand Chase Chase won the triple Crown. Yes,
but how many yards did Chase Chase Brown have because
one guy had two thousand.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
That's a good question. Many then another guy had nineteen
twenty one.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Right, and Jamiir Gibbs, even after splitting carries, probably had
thirteen fourteen hundred yards.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
That's great imagining.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
So I think the gap with the running back gap.
There's a bigger gap between the running back Saquon Barkley,
Dereck Henry, Jamir Gibbs, and Chase Brown. And there is
between Jamar Chase Zave Flowers, A J. Brown and I'm
in Ross Saint Brown. Yeah, that's just me, now, Chad.
I mean, y'all can have that it. Y'all can chop
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it up. Y'all could agree or disagree with Ocho. And
I said, but had I think the Eagles, I would
I would put the Eagles one. I would put the
Ravens two. Now three and three. Now I'm having a
I'm really having to think about three. And that's between
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Detroit and Cincinnati, O Jo.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
That's just me, honestly, because Detroit and this is no
district back to Chase Brown, good good running back. I'm
putting Detroit at three simply because they had that doubleheaded monster.
You could just pick who you want to go with. Yes,
the purpose may be they God damn Jamier Gibbson and
amn Ron golf is special, Yes, it's special.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
How many yarths they Chase Brown had last year? Nine ninety?
Okay he was ten from a thousand. One guy had
two thousand, the other guy had nineteen twenty one. Yeah, no, yeah,
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look the bill. I don't I don't really have a
problem with anybody else that's on this list because we're
looking down. Okay, we looked down. Who else could could?
Speaker 5 (18:31):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (18:32):
The Texans with CJ. Stroud, Joe College, go Collins.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
That's that's a good one.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Okay. Jacksonville Tank Bigsby, Brian Thomas Jr. Okay, you will
leave Trevor Lawrence. I okay, take him off. They got
a triple, but it doesn't it doesn't deserve to make
the top ten. Okay. What about Washington, Oh, Jane Daniels,
Terry mcclaurin, Robinson, Bryan Robinson.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
They was twelve.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
That's that. That's that's fair. That's fair. The Dolphins, you
got a chan you got Riek, you got tour. Yeah no, no,
not in front of the cowboys. You don't think you
don't think the.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
Commanders from in front of the crowd in front of
the Cowboys.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Yes, that's what I say. Yeah, I know I don't
think they should be a top five, but I'm.
Speaker 4 (19:27):
Just saying, okay, okay, okay, I thought you were saying
top five like no.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
No, no, no, no, no, no, Commander's nord.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
The other team should be top five because although a
change inspected. No, the Commanders can't because Brian Robinson. Let
me see, would I take Brian Robinson over Chase Brown?
Hell yeah, but I'm not taking over Saint Quan. I'm
not taking over there. I'm not taking them over Gibbs.
Hell no, yeah, I'm not taking it there and I'm
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not and I'm not taking you know, I love Terry mclumin.
I'm not taking them over Za Flowers or A j
Or I'm ra I'm not.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
Whoa whoa, whoa, whoa whoa whoa slow down, slow down?
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Got you taking over A J.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Brown? Hold on?
Speaker 4 (20:09):
You say you're not taking Ted McLaurin over Saint Brown.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
No, I don't think I'll take him over Saint Brown
because it's you know what else.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Let me tell you why.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
It's hard Because one one play specifically outside, the other
is mainly inside, and so you look at Aman rah
arm and Ra had what one hundred and probably fifteen catches? Yeah, yeah,
he's he's customarily always over one hundred catches because he's
the slot. So what was it? What was his numbers?
(20:42):
I'm and raw, look you look up and Rob, look
up Terry McClure. That's that's interesting.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
I know, I know, uh T Mac. I'mna call him
T Mac, call him T Max. I can't call him
scary Terry right now. I ain't call him scary Terry
until they pay.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Him, Okay. Armen Rath was second and catches right fifty yards?
Third in touchdowns? What do you had in What do
you had in yards by? What?
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Twelve sixty three?
Speaker 2 (21:09):
How many catches? Second in catches? One fifteen? God? Yes,
oh boy, the boy?
Speaker 4 (21:19):
Hey theybe one hundred and fifteen passes?
Speaker 1 (21:22):
No, that's another fifteen catcher.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
He probably had one hundred and forty five to one
hundred and fifty targets.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
Hey, man, I'm trying.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
I'm I wish, I wish I was able to do
the math. If you take my best season, whatever it
might have been, and you did the numbers based on
yards would catch. I think my highest my highest total
season catches like ninety seven. If I had one hundred
and fifteen catches, I wonder what my numbers would look like.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
It's only a handful of guys gonna have that many catches.
With the deep crazy, you gotta look. So you got
to look at somebody like a moss. Yes, I mean
are you looking at I mean I'm talking about the
speed guy. A guy that's outside is catching the balls
like that.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Man, They're gonna be sixteen seventeen hundred yards O show.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Because if you think about it, you averaging fifteen yards
of catch you average in your best season, when you
had sixteen hundred yards or high fifteens, you was averaging
fifteen yards of catch. So just imagine one hundred and ten,
one hundred and fifteen, one hundred and twenty thirty catches.
Speaker 4 (22:22):
Imagine imagine this during that time, me, TJ. Hoosh, Chris Henry,
imagine if we had what they have implemented in everybody's
game playing to day, those little quick screens, those little
bubble screens, bubble, those little quick passes where you know
they get it in your hands and let you do it.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
You man.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Only handful of teams running that we started adopting that late,
like my last year or two in Denver. But prior
to that, the only team that really did that was
the Coats. Yeah, they were doing that.
Speaker 4 (22:49):
What about the Rams? What about the Rams? That greatest Rams,
the Ram Rams.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
The Rams kind of started it right with Isaac with Oak.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
They would do it.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
They would do it with Marshall fault that put Marshall
falk out and the no motion and throw it to him.
Hop call some of those Isaac, Bruce and then now
everybody just they'll just raise up and just throw the fault.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
The guy, the guy bubble, he'll be in the slot
and he'll bubble back.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
And they'll pop it to it. But it's it's a
different game now. Oh Joe, we had our time. We
played We played how we played it, because I can
assure you I heard Ozzie and Killing and all the
guys like, man, I'm sure we threw the ball like
y'all threw it today.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
I'm like, oh, you think we throw it?
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Hell, I don't know if y'all seen Denver's offenset. A
whole lot of throwing going on. Yeah, but look, Beingles one,
Eagles two, Baltimore three, Detroit four, Kansas City five. I
would go Eagles one, Baltimore two. I agree with you.
I would go Detroit three, Kansas City four, Uh not
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Kansas City Cincinnati.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
And yeah, I was gonna say, I ain't putting the
Chaco in in front of us since oh.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
Hell na, right, that's that's my toss up.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
My toss up is do I put Detroit three in
Sincy four? Or do I put Sincy three and leave
Detroit at four?
Speaker 1 (24:10):
But two?
Speaker 2 (24:11):
And but the Eagles and and Baltimore should be one two? Well,
hold on three.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
I'm doing Detroit at three and I'm putting the Bengals four.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
And that's what I'm saying. That's what my toss up.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
Heel, okay, okay, okay, listen. That's that's not even a
toss up for me.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
That's a no brainer.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Wow, that's a no brain on miam. But me no
brainer is Eagles at one, Baltimore two.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Absolutely, absolutely, Yeah Cowboys. But you know, we talked about Washington,
we talked about hell well, no, they ain't got no quarterback.
And I think I know Atlanta and Atlanta didn't really
have the quarterback situation because I can't put that kind
of stock because I like Atlanta's running back and I.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
Like Drake Loganjian is nice and Drake n I like.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
I like Michael Pittman Jr. I like Jonathan Taylor. But
I'm uncertain about their quarterback position. You see what I'm saying,
O Joe, Yeah, I'm not sure about Minnesota. I know Jetta,
I know Jones, but who's the quarterback? JJ McCarthy. I
ain't seen him throw, not one NFL pass. We just
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we just saw with.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
Why Why why am I drawing a blank on the quarterback?
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Oh you're talking about for Minnesota?
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Yeah? From last year? Why am I drawing a blank?
Speaker 1 (25:30):
In Seattle?
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Now? Uh?
Speaker 4 (25:34):
What Sam Donald? Sam Donald? Listen, we saw Sam Donald
in New York. Yeah, Okay, we saw Sam Donald. He
was somewhere else before he went to Minnesota. He's with
the Jets, he's with San Francisco Bingo. We saw what
he did with the Minnesota Vikings last year. Historic run,
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historic season for him individually. Right, So you think J
McCarthy gonna come in and do but you got there justin.
Jefferson is still there.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
He gonna be all right, hen.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
Slanging that you ain't really gotta do much when you're
when you're a quarterback like that, even I it's gonna
be your first year playing. You're not a rookie. You're
going into your second year. But what's around you is
so great. All you have to do is just facilitate
the ball and don't make any mistakes.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
That's but see, that's the thing. You see how you
have to play. You talk about don't make any mistakes.
Sam Sam Darnold had a historic season. Yes, Now the
thing is, plus he has some season, he was seasoned.
He understood this offense because it's a very similar offense
to what they run in San Francisco. So it's gonna
be interesting to see. But I understand why they didn't
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put him up there because I understand Jones. I understand Jetta,
but I'm not sure about the quarterback position, right, I'm
just not so. I mean, not the forty nine ers,
the Chargers, what about the Chargers, Ladd Conky, Justin Herbert.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
They got Nigie Harris, but.
Speaker 4 (27:03):
When he didn't have Nigie Harris, Now that's right, that's right.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Jared Jones shows the opening training camp by taking a
shot at Michael Parsons.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Oh show, let's take a listen to what Jerry had
to say.
Speaker 5 (27:21):
Just because we signed him doesn't mean we're going to
have him. He was hurt six games last year. Seriously,
we've signed uh. I remember signing a player for the
highest paid at the position in the league and he
got knocked out two thirds of the year Dark Prescott.
So there's a lot of things you can think about
when you just as the player does when you're thinking
(27:44):
about committing and guaranteeing money.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
He just can't help himself.
Speaker 4 (27:51):
Dallas Cowboys fans, Dallas Cowboy players, this is your head coach.
This is your excuse me, head coach. Hey, this is
the man that he is the head coach, hu, this
is the man that the show.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
This is the man. This let you know in short
term how they really feel about you.
Speaker 4 (28:11):
After This is how they really feel about you. There's
nothing like getting taking a dig or taking a shot
at your two star players, your two star players. Oh well,
I made one of the highest paid but he missed it,
miss the season because of the injury. We play football,
(28:33):
it's a contact sport. It's a barbaric sports. Sometimes injuries
do happen.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
I remember he made his I remember he made another quarterback,
the highest paid and he never took a shot of
him and he stayed injury. But that ain't none of
my business. I don't even know why I brought that
up about yo.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
This is who you have to go out there and
play for. This is who you have to go.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
I want to know if Tony Romo, your owner thinks
about you.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
But we know that.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
See.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
See.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
The thing is oh g see.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
I remember in twenty sixteen when Colin nip oh, But
Jerry loves his players. Jerry loves people that look like
you and I that can do something for it. Don't
you fool yourself to the mistake that people make. Oh Jerry, No,
no, no no no no no no no no. Michael Levin
could do things for it. Daz Bryant can do things
(29:24):
for it. Emm Smith could do things for it. Charles
Haley could do things for it. Nate Newton, Larry Allen,
I could go on and on and on. Stop fooling yourself. Oh,
out of the kind and so your heart.
Speaker 4 (29:39):
Okay, okay, I have a question, and this is for
the Chat, for the people in chat as well. If
you play for the Cowboys organization, how would you feel
as a player understanding that's how the man who runs
the shoe and writes your checks felt about you.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
I already know how I feel about me. I've done
my home.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
How does that does that even give you the motivation
even want to go out play for that man? Outside
of the money.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
That's all I'm doing. See what he is upset?
Speaker 2 (30:09):
He's upset at Dak because Dak has always has imposed him.
Dak has already always been what it was. You're the owner,
I'm the player. A lot of players get close to Jerry.
Dak has never allowed that to happen. Todd Franz comes in,
does the negotiating, hard line boom, I'm up out of here,
that goes about his business. Dak ain't trying to go
(30:32):
to his house. Dak is not trying to go out
and hang out with him. Dak is that Dak does
what he does. Dak now has a family, boom business.
You see he taking the shot at Michael because Michael
wouldn't let him, wouldn't let him glazing. Oh, oh, it's
between me and the player. You never did a deal
(30:54):
with just the player when the player had representation. But
you know what it's going to cost you because you
let Max Crosby get a new deal, You let Miles
Garrett get a new deal, You let TJ.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Watt get a big new deal. And guess what.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Michael Parsons is three to four years younger and all
of them, so guess what he's about to do.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
Pole vaudem So whatever TJ.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
Wh got, Michael Parson's gonna get a million to two
million dollars more. And don't give me that junk. I
play in Texas. Oh well I do. I know the
ain't no state income tax and I'm glad for that.
So that's forty two forty three million. Uncle, say, I'm
going to go get thirty six percent of it those
state taxes.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
Right, And I'm understanding. Obviously.
Speaker 4 (31:38):
I wanted to text Michael, I wanted to call him,
but I was like, you know what, I'm not even
gonna bother him.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
Just say how you feel? How does that make you feel?
Speaker 2 (31:47):
And I'm just I'm like croy oud that this is
my only thing my owner thinks about me. Now, what
about the time he missed some games? But I guarantee
you there's some games that he should have missed more
because I know Michael had some issues going on. But
that ain't nothing my business. I don't even know why
I brought that up again. Damn I keep telling people business.
Speaker 4 (32:05):
You know how many times all of us have played
the game of football and went out there anyway. Yeah,
it had to take toward all pills, had to take,
had to take the shot.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
Just and yeah for the same and the Marcaine Yeah, corterfone. Yes,
all that shooting up in your shoulders and then your knees.
Not why you shoot my kneither up? I shot my
ankles up, shot my shoulders up ribs did all that? O?
Speaker 1 (32:29):
Yo? Did all that?
Speaker 4 (32:31):
I mean, how do we not how do we not
understand and just have any self awareness where that's the
kind of stuff that you say to yourself. What you
never say out loud about the players that are on
your team. You don't say stuff like that out loud.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
Had the nerves dead and in my ankles, so I
couldn't feel no pain the whole that that's what nerves do.
They allow you to feel pain, And says, okay, hey,
bro back off that I had my nerves, had my
nerves and my ankles deadn't so I couldn't feel pay
so I could go out there and play and then
to have somebody talk like that, man, please, I'd have
lost it.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
I would have lost it.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
Hey.
Speaker 4 (33:11):
You know what's funny is when you think about the owners.
Obviously it's thirty two owners. I think Jerry is the
only one with the cohones to come out and say
how he really feels.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
No one else would do that.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
That's why would you what you saw today.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Nobody else why wouldn't but Jed Jerry. But see, that's
what Jerry wanted to be about him. See, Jared don't
want no superstar because you know why he want a
superstar because he would never take a Tom Brady. He
would never He couldn't play for Teyton Manny because they'd
be bigger than he is and he don't want that
to happen. Right, I've been bad fortune. I played for
(33:46):
two owners, mister Bowland. I did something for his his
his family today, Yes, sir, but Joe, it was about us.
We were the superstars. Jam amount of time, sharply, I
ain't catching no pass, shopper, I ain't making no tackles.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
What the hell?
Speaker 2 (34:02):
I need to be up there and talking and carry
it on. That's what I pay you guys for I said,
you play us quite well. I don't I don't get
why Jerry felt to open up training camp like this.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Everything that comes up doesn't need to come out right, but.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
Michael or what you're thinking doesn't need to be said.
Speaker 4 (34:30):
Every little thought, especially stuff that you know, is gonna
ruffle people's feathers.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
Catch me the headlines. Hell, the only thing that should
be catching.
Speaker 4 (34:39):
Headlines today is Cowboys open up training camp and George
picking looks motherfucking good.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
Excuse my language, sorry, George Pickens look good.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Day one.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
That's it.
Speaker 4 (34:51):
That's what that should be the conversation, not what you
said about Dak what you said about Michael Man.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
JJ Watt took to a Twitter excuse me x to
defend him. Anytime you can publicly take a dig, get
your star quarterback and your young star pass Russell simultaneously
right before the season begins, you gotta just take it.
Nothing makes guys want to fight for you more than
hearing how upset you are that they got hurt while
(35:18):
fighting for you.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
Michael reposted that no discount for you.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
Jerry, m Wait, hold on, hold on, what if what
if you think?
Speaker 4 (35:30):
Excuse me? What if it even goes worse? What if
Michael says, you know that that's how you feel about me?
Speaker 2 (35:35):
Trade men't trade?
Speaker 3 (35:37):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (35:40):
Then what.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
It's the funny thing is funny.
Speaker 4 (35:45):
I'm just finding out all about Jerry's ways because I
never played for the Cowboys, and obviously when I was playing,
you know, I'm i'm I'm I'm blind to what's going
on over there, but you don't want to introduce me
and told me about the whole thing with Jimmy Johnson.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
Yeah, so that that raised my eyebrows.
Speaker 4 (36:04):
But I thought, Okay, maybe that's just okay, maybe that's
just a one off. Maybe they just had a disagreement
and he not really liked that, but they got into it.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
But he thought after three years, he thought, after he
hired eighty nine with Jimmy's first year, that's the year
he took over. He brought the I think bum bright.
I think that's where he brought the Cowboys from. So
he took over him and him and Jimmy and eighty
nine Constroy with their first draft pick. They won the
championship in four in ninety two, win it again in
ninety three, again in ninety five. So in four years,
(36:32):
so eighty nine, ninety ninety one, ninety two. So in
the fourth year, he thought he knew more football than Jimmy.
Now see Jimmy will see what Jimmy could do. Jimmy
was coming from college at the you so all these
guys is coming out yuess who knew him because he
tried to recruit him after you. Yeah, see Jerry think
because somebody handed him a piece of paper that they've
(36:54):
done all the work for. See, Jerry's that guy that
does no part of the project, but he gets eighth.
You ain't do nothing. You just happened to own the team.
You did nothing. Jimmy, the scouts, the evaluators, they did
all the work. It burned them. It burned them.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
That Jimmy got the credit.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
Everybody gave Jimmy the credit, and he wanted Jimmy to
toast it.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
And that's that's a tough spot to be in for
a player.
Speaker 4 (37:29):
It has to be just to hear that from your
owner has to be a tough spot to be in.
Speaker 3 (37:35):
You know, he's running it.
Speaker 4 (37:36):
It's supposed to be a football team, it's supposed to
be an organization. But you're running it like I'm not
gonna say the P bird. You're running it like.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
The P word. Oh, Joe, as long as you.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
Saw James, Yes, yes, okay, okay, you see where I'm going. Yeah, okay,
you're running. You're running it like that.
Speaker 4 (37:55):
You don't say you don't you don't say that about
the players that you.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
Don't complain.
Speaker 4 (38:02):
Oh, I made the quarterback the highest state because you
fucking waited to pay him.
Speaker 3 (38:08):
You waited till the last minute.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
Waited to the last minute. You would got Michael Parsons
on the fifth year option, so you waited till the
last minute. He said it. And I used to say
this all the time. I am not going to give you.
I would give you a discount if you signed me
with a couple of years left, because now.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
You're giving me guaranteed money. I'm not giving you a disk.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
Account if you make me get to the punctuation v
end No, bro, I got to get maximum dollar out
of you, max value. But see, here's the thing on Joe,
I know who Jerry is. And as long as they
know who Jerry is, they should never have a problem
with it. He applauds to what you do, not who
(38:48):
you are. It's transactional to him, you can provide a service,
a damn good one.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
He's gonna pat you on the back.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
But if you think it's anything more than that, you're
selling mistaking, sadly mistaken.
Speaker 3 (39:05):
And man, that's that's I ain't never heard nothing like that.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
Now.
Speaker 3 (39:09):
I know a lot of them think like that. One
thing to think, But actually.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
Sa bro, listen, see a lot of times people want
to they'll take what he says about them. But I
listen to what he says about everything else and how
he handles everything else.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
That told me a lot.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
Yeah. Oh you're told are gonna be on the line.
Your hand's gonna be over the heart.
Speaker 3 (39:37):
Oh oh oh doing that? Oh yeah, yeah, Okay.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
I see what we go with this? Yeah, I see
what I see how you think?
Speaker 3 (39:46):
Yeah, I mean, listen, it's unfortunate you.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
I hate to, Like I said, I know Michael Little,
I like him a lot, great personality.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
No, it's represented it.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
But I'm gonna be very very disappointed if y'all don't
rack Jerry ass cross the colst If y'all don't get
at least forty two forty three million dollars, If y'all
don't get if y'all don't get ten million if y'all
don't get five million.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
More than what TJ Watt got.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
TJ got three years, one hundred and forty three million,
he got one hundred and eight guaranteed with one year.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
Oh man, y'all better get.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
You one hundred and fifteen million guarantee under guaranteed. As
a matter of fact, Jerry, since you've been nasty, I
want a hundred of it and signing. I want a
hundred up about what than fifteen and signing.
Speaker 3 (40:32):
As soon as I signed out of line, I'm not
even shaking hand day.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
I'm not happy to be a cowboy, but I'm more
happy than I get to a secure of my family.
This is generational wealth, my family, my dad, my brother. Hey,
we're good now.
Speaker 3 (40:48):
Oh that's crazy, Dot he really said that out loud.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
Yeah that's oh, Joe. Don't you like that? Don't you
let me know where I'm staying with you? See so
far too many times, far too many times, I just
need to know. See that's the difference between the South
and the North, and it's how there. You know. They
don't like it. They tell you, yeah, I don't like you.
Speaker 5 (41:17):
Bob.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
As opposed to hide, right, Yeah, they'll tell y'all what
he thinks.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
Michael actually reported the training camp today despite the contract
stand up? Should know? Should Michael trust Jerry Joe's enough
to report the camp? Yeah, I'm gonna report to camp.
I'm a report to camp. I don't want to get
no money back. I don't want to, but I just
(41:49):
because they've tried to. That's another thing. Oh, Joe, see
see what they put in there? Now, Hey, there's no forgiveness,
though it doubles. I mean, what did it started up?
Fifteen thousand, thirty thousand, You missed ten, you missed ten,
fifteen days of practice. That's over a million dollars that
the team can't forget. Forgive mm hmm. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (42:13):
But now that you know, you go on there. You
know you play the game.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
Hey, I'm playing the game for they say the game.
I'm playing with the number, the name on the back
of my jersey. Eft that name on the front. Because
that's what you said to me.
Speaker 4 (42:29):
Yeah, basically basically and not so many words. Yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (42:38):
So hey, go do what you do, Michael.
Speaker 2 (42:44):
I hope Michael get twenty five sacks and the fifty
and the forty million. You're gonna pass fifty now fifty Mili, Michael,
hopefully you get a contract extension. What's Michael playing on?
What's this fifty option? Twenty?
Speaker 5 (43:00):
What?
Speaker 2 (43:10):
Because he's outside, he's the edge or here d n
twenty four minutes? Michael, All you do is that you
pay your monthly expenses. Don't you buy nothing, don't you
buy a car? Don't you ay tell your mom and
dad say look here, there will be no expenses going on.
I'm gonna play my rent. I'm gonna pay X, Y
(43:31):
and Z. I'm just gonna pay monthly expenses. I wist
sit tight because if this, you know what, try to
franchise me. I'm not coming. I'm not signing, no franchise tag.
I'm not signing a franchise tag. Not gonna do it.
Speaker 3 (43:49):
Hey, you think you think you would play with him?
Speaker 2 (43:52):
Yeah, you do realize here's the thing. Oh Joe, you
didn't do it to me. Now, so you've made run
the gauntlet two years in the row. Well, oh no, bro,
I got to hit you over the head with a
heavy hammer.
Speaker 1 (44:10):
Yes, absolutely, if I'm Michael, Yes, the.
Speaker 2 (44:13):
Price goes the price goes up ten percent every year
that you don't get this done.
Speaker 1 (44:16):
So right now, it's forty two million. You don't pay
me this year.
Speaker 2 (44:19):
Guess what it is a ten percent increase forty six million,
and plus another ten percent on the sign up on
the guaranteed money. I don't.
Speaker 3 (44:30):
I don't is he does he purposely? What is the method?
You did it with CD Lamb? You did it with that?
You did d Elliott? Because he's he's.
Speaker 2 (44:41):
Thinking they're going to give him a discount. I'm not
giving you a discount when you're making me run to
the last year of the contract. Oh Joe, I'm not
see he thought that would give him a discount, like
Wentz and Golf gave their teams discounts. But those teams,
they were first and second overall pick, they got huge.
Their total contract was guaranteed. They got four they got
(45:04):
thirty five million, they got thirty two million fully guaranteed.
I don't know what that That was the fourth round pick,
So I don't really know what those numbers are. Then
three years into the deal they give a new contract.
That is what they did with that. So, oh Joe,
I've already gotten thirty two thirty three billion dollars are guaranteed,
(45:25):
plus you come to me early. Okay, I give you
a little discount, I help you, I help the salary camp.
Speaker 3 (45:31):
Right, understandable.
Speaker 2 (45:33):
I'm not giving you a discount when I'm that low
of a draft pick. My first contract, not first one.
I'm trying to split your dome. Oh yes, absolutely, Now
I might give you one the second one, but that's
my choosing. No, you say, oh, you know, you tell
me that's you know, football business and let football people
(45:54):
do football things. Well, I'm gonna let y'all handle that
salary camp. So my job is not to try to
help y'all manage all salary cap I'm trying to extract
because I care just about as much as winning as
you do. Jerry Jones has shown you over the last
thirty years he doesn't care about winning.
Speaker 1 (46:12):
So guess what me either,
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