Nightcap Hour 1: Bijan maybe the BEST RB in the NFL + Bills HC Sean McDermott on the HOT SEAT?!

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to the Atlanta Falcons stunning the Buffalo Bills 24-14! Unc and Ocho also break down the Chicago Bears edging out the Washington Commanders 25-24 and much more!

3:30 - Bears defeat Commanders with Game Winning FG

14:00 - Falcons SHOCK Josh Allen led Bills

32:52 - NFL suspends Lions DB Brian Branch

53:30 - Tua's postgame conference stirs controversy in Miami

 

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The two top quarterbacks that were taking a year ago
square it off again and this time number one Caleb
Williams got the better of number two jd Jayden Daniels.
Remember last year it was Jade and Daniels on the
Hell Mary that won the game on the last player
of the game.

Speaker 3 (01:45):
This time.

Speaker 1 (01:47):
Caleb Williams leader game. They fumbled, the Commanders fumbled the football.
The Chicago Bears ran it down and got them in
field goal range. Caleb did and they kicked a walk
off field goal and they win twenty five twenty four.
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Speaker 3 (03:20):
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Speaker 1 (03:23):
Okay, I'm it just turned on. We got Dave each
joining us in the second hour. But first the Bears
beat the Commanders. Twenty five, twenty four. Washington finished the
night with three turnovers. That had three turnovers coming into tonight.
They matched that with three.

Speaker 3 (03:43):
Tonight.

Speaker 1 (03:44):
Washington had two fumbles, one by Jade Daniels and then
other by George Jacory Coski, Merritt and Jay and Daniels
throw an interception that led to costly possessions. And you
know when you turn the football over, You've heard us
say it before. You play for that and you pay
double give. I wonder what they're gonna say now, because

(04:06):
you know when they when they lose. Caleb Williams this
his fingernails stop pining finger there. So I wonder where
they're gonna say now, because now it's not so did
he win? If I'm not mistaken that she had a
close up and I saw it pinky and it had nail.

Speaker 3 (04:20):
Polish on it.

Speaker 1 (04:21):
So winning or losing his nails don't have anything, oh Joe,
to do with the winning and losing I thought he
was very well tonight. He was seventeen or twenty nine
to fifty two one touchdowns. He did take three sacks,
but he didn't turn He didn't turn the ball over.
And when you take care of the football and the
inclement weathers and you know he turns the ball over,

(04:42):
they ran the ball. I thought DeAndre Swift did a
great job of running the football, especially late, O Joe.
The one thing you didn't want to do was give
Washington the ball back, and they made sure they didn't
get it back either week A and he ran to
a fourteen carries a buckle eight twenty seven carries total
for the Bears than forty.

Speaker 3 (05:00):
Five yards one touchdown.

Speaker 1 (05:02):
Caleb Williams didn't have a touchdown pass that was also
to DeAndre Swift.

Speaker 3 (05:06):
But I thought they played really, really well.

Speaker 1 (05:08):
Washington's gonna kick themselves because they turned the ball over,
which they had done a great job of taking care
of the football prior to tonight.

Speaker 3 (05:15):
Oh, Joe, wat.

Speaker 1 (05:17):
Now, hopefully you watch the lights on the on the
on the way back to the house. Huh highlights? What
about the highlights of the Bears Washington?

Speaker 4 (05:27):
No, I ain't watching the highlight. I watched the game.

Speaker 1 (05:29):
Huh okay, so what what what? What did you What
did you like about what you saw from the Bears?

Speaker 4 (05:34):
Well, obviously I like Caleb. Caleb was very passionate. He
was struggling. He was struggling a little bit despite what
it what it looked like he was. He was a
little You could see he was a little frustrated on
the sideline. There was some passes that he wasn't completing,
but towards the end of the towards it, towards the
end of the game, I think it was third, it
was that third and four, but they really needed to play.

(05:56):
He hit the DeAndre Swift.

Speaker 3 (05:58):
Yep, the swift.

Speaker 4 (05:59):
We forgot them fifty five Obviously mistackles and we'll play
a game like that andlem whether it was very bad.
The one thing you don't want to do is turn
them all over. And that's the one thing that the
commanders did do. The commanders turned them all over. They pressured.
They had four or five man pressures. The pressure. God
damn Jaydon Daills and I don't want to say he
didn't struggle, but obviously losing losing a fumble, getting sacked,

(06:22):
Montell Sweat was held damn there all night.

Speaker 1 (06:28):
Yeah, but look, this game could have been a far death,
could have been better. I think you I got to
give the Bears defense a lot of credit. They brought
Dennis Allen. Dennis Allen, we know he's a very good
defensive coordinator. He hadn't had the success that you would
like to see him have as a head coach. He
was the head coach of the Raiders, he was the
head coach of the Saints, and he didn't have success.
But as a defensive coordinator, you go back and look

(06:49):
at his time at the Broncos, you go back and
look at this time as the DC with New Orleans.
He's done a great job of coordinating defenses. And now
he's back in that role. I thought Ben Johnson did
a great job. You're right. They could have had an
opportunity to maybe get the game to be ahead, but
Caleb took his eyes off the ball. They had a
shot gun snap and they were going to hand it
to him, and he took his eyes off the ball

(07:10):
and the ball got here and he ended up losing
a couple of yards on the third and short.

Speaker 3 (07:14):
But he played well. Giving the conditions.

Speaker 1 (07:17):
Now both teams played there wasn't like one team was
playing in the phone booth and the other team was
playing outside and then cleming weather. They were both. But
I thought the Bears did a better job of dealing
with that. And when you're dealing with factors like that,
you got snow, you got sleep, you got ring, you
got that. First conditions, whichever team can handle those conditions
the best, that is normally the team that's gonna win
the ball game now and go ahead.

Speaker 4 (07:39):
I will say, not only handle the conditions the best,
but also with those conditions, not turn the ball over.
You gotta protect the ball because you know, as you
always say, you pay, You paid double for those turnovers.
And that's exactly what happened to the Commanders the night.

Speaker 1 (07:52):
Yes, Caleb Williams seventeen to twenty nine, two fifty two,
one touchdown, jayde Daniels nineteen to twenty six to one eleven,
three touchdowns, But when you turn the ball over, you
don't really get to an opportunity because they turned it
over early.

Speaker 3 (08:06):
But hey, they'll learn from this.

Speaker 1 (08:09):
They got to do a better job of protecting because look,
there's no clear cut favorite in either conference. I don't
think I don't think there's like, oh my god, this
team is unbeatable. I feel like on any given Sunday,
if teams played their best and you're slightly off. Now
those teams played their best. Do I think Washington is
a little better than Chicago. I do, but I think

(08:30):
they lowered themselves or they elevated the Bears by turning
the ball over three times. And you can't turn the
ball over in this league because look'st as talented as
JD is, They're not talented enough to overcome three turnovers.
And I thought Ben Johnson called a great game for
the Bears. I thought he did an unbelievable job. I
thought Kayler Williams did a great did an unbelievable job

(08:50):
of distributing the football. Look they had they had two fumbles,
but they ended up getting them back. But Washington's got
to do a better job of taking care of the
football and mainly the quarterback. The ball's in your hands,
you have to take care of the football in the
He didn't do a good enough job of that tonight,
and it cost him a victory that they probably they
probably feel like they should have won the ball game

(09:11):
because early on Chicago they kept them out of the
end zone six six, you know, thirteen seven, and then
they score ten points into the third quarter to end
up taking the lead. And you see what happens when
you turn the ball over late in Chicago gets an
opportunity Johnny on the spot, guy falls on it and
takes off and the next thing you know, they're going

(09:33):
to travel back to Chicago with a victory. But you
don't get an opportunity to salk very long because you
know you got.

Speaker 4 (09:39):
A game next week, right right back to it.

Speaker 1 (09:42):
And sometimes that's the twenty four hour rule. Sometimes that's
the best thing, is that you don't want to linger.
You hate to go into a bye week after the
loss because you're thinking about it the whole time you're
off and like, man, what we could be, what we
should be, what could have been? Man, I can't believe
we let that one slip away. You have to have
a short memory. You play Monday night, you're off Tuesday,

(10:03):
you're right back at it Wednesday. So you have to
you know, you have to have a very you have
to have amnesia. You have to forget about it because
there's nothing else, there's nothing you can do about what
just happened.

Speaker 3 (10:14):
That's over. Now.

Speaker 1 (10:15):
You can let it linger into the cost you're again
on Sunday, or you can forget about that and take
your frustrations out on someone else Sunday.

Speaker 3 (10:24):
And I think that's what they're gonna do.

Speaker 1 (10:26):
I think I think, you know, DQ Greg do a
great job of rallying the troops, getting them ready to play.
And I have I have no doubt in my mind
we'll see a team that comes out, uh invigorated, make
they'll take care of the football.

Speaker 3 (10:40):
Who do they play on Sunday? They'll take care of
the football.

Speaker 1 (10:43):
But that's the one thing that you have to do
a great job of, is taking care of the football,
you see, because even when you turn the ball over,
even if teams aren't very good, you bring them.

Speaker 3 (10:53):
Up to your level.

Speaker 4 (10:54):
Yeah, yeah, definitely.

Speaker 1 (10:56):
Oh, the Commanders played the Cowboys in Dallas. Wow, that's
gonna be a good one.

Speaker 4 (11:01):
They're playing in Dallas.

Speaker 3 (11:02):
Yep on Sunday.

Speaker 4 (11:04):
YEP said, Okay, that's gonna be a good one.

Speaker 1 (11:07):
That's gonna be a very good one. That's gonna be
a very good one. Dallas is uh uh. They want
to get back on the winning track. Two teams that's
losing and and and they don't want to fall further
behind in that division. The Giants, they're like, look, the Giants, Uh,
the Giants played the BRONCOSO.

Speaker 4 (11:29):
That's gonna be a good one.

Speaker 3 (11:31):
That's gonna uh the Eagles, who do the Eagles play?

Speaker 1 (11:35):
Or the Eagles on the by they played the bike See, hey, whoever?
I mean, you could be sitting pretty because this is
what we thought was gonna be a four gone conclusion
after the Eagles lost two games. Now, all of a sudden,
this division now is a toss up the Giants. Hey,
the Giants are starting to feel like, hey, we got
a chance. The Commander is like, hey, we definitely got

(11:57):
a chance. Cowboy, Hey, I know what. The Cowboys two
three and one, but hey, hey you beat the Commanders.
Now you're three three and one right back in and
they got four losses, you got three losses on a tie.
You're in front of them because you you beat them
head to head. Hey, if Minnesota can get if Minnesota

(12:19):
can give you some love. The Broncos helped the Bronco, Well,
Bronco's gonna help you' all out already put that car
already to put that call in. Baker, Baker, the Broncos
gonna help y'all out.

Speaker 4 (12:35):
You think so, yep, you've been real confident lately, y'all,
y'all barey be.

Speaker 1 (12:41):
The Jets see, in a situation like that, you don't
have to do anything fancy. We don't have to take
unnecessary risk because they can't move the ball. Think about
how they scored. They got a seventy two yard kick return,
they got a short field strip, and they drove the
ball one time. They got a safety, so they got

(13:03):
three points on things that they generated.

Speaker 3 (13:06):
You know, we don't even take nothing necessary risks.

Speaker 1 (13:09):
And our best, our best offense was there was there
was the Jets offense.

Speaker 4 (13:13):
Yeah, it was bad. That was bad on and the
funny thing. The funny thing about that was the NFL game.
If you show somebody that's that line and didn't tell
them what game it was and who was playing, they
were probably saying, maybe it's high school, maybe it's you know,
I've I've never seen nothing like that.

Speaker 3 (13:32):
Never. But the Bears beat the Commanders.

Speaker 1 (13:36):
So now it's a matchup that we're gonna see going forward.

Speaker 3 (13:39):
They're one and one. Last year.

Speaker 1 (13:41):
Jaden Daniels gonna hell Mary wins it in a walk off.
This time, Kayler Williams drives his ball club down, gets
them in position, and they kick a walk off field goal.

Speaker 3 (13:51):
Twenty five twenty four, the Bears.

Speaker 1 (13:53):
Beat the Commanders a game two, and Atlanta Falcons took
down the Buffalo Bills by the score of twenty four
to fourteen. Boy, that b John Robinson was something Vince
bast show tone.

Speaker 4 (14:10):
I I he.

Speaker 3 (14:11):
Was on one. He was in his bag tonight. Yeah
he was.

Speaker 4 (14:15):
Go ahead, now we're gonna say he was in his bag.
We need to have a conversation. We need to have
a conversation. We talked we Alreay talking about the top
five backs.

Speaker 3 (14:22):
He was always in the discussion, for sure, he was.

Speaker 4 (14:25):
He was always in the discussion. Yeah, based on his
his small sample size and body worked so far this season.

Speaker 3 (14:32):
I mean, well he the best this season. He's been
the best. He and Johnny Miller.

Speaker 4 (14:36):
Okay, I just want to make sure we were on
the same page because that's for sure, and having that
conversation with him being the best right now, you know,
I mean, he damned it ran themn Wait what that
Mike camera went out?

Speaker 3 (14:50):
Oh that was you? What? What is mean?

Speaker 4 (14:53):
Something went out? Uh?

Speaker 1 (14:55):
Michael Pennis Junior was twenty thirty two two fifty one
touchdown no. B Jhon Robinson rand the ball nineteen times
four one hundred and seventy yards and his career long
eighty one yard touchdown run. Algier had ten cares for
thirty two yards and a touchdown. Drake London ten for
one fifty eight and a touchdown. He almost got another
one right before the half, but they replayed, rebuwed it

(15:17):
like they do all scoring in turnover plays, and it
was deemed he stepped out at the one yard line.
Bjon Robinson had six had six receptions for sixty eight yards.

Speaker 3 (15:27):
He look he could do it all now. Versatile.

Speaker 1 (15:30):
Hey he smoothed ah man, I love, I love how
silky smooth is he put that foot in the dirt.
He's coming downhill. He go juke somebody in the hole.
He's feathery. He's a pleasure to watch. Josh Allen did
not have an MVP night. He was fifteen or twenty six,
one hundred and eighty two touchdowns, but he threw two
constantly interceptions. The Falcons got after him. They sacked him

(15:53):
four times. I was surprised. Oh Joe James Cook rand
the ball extremely well, especially in the second half. James
Cook had seventeen carries for eighty seven yards. Josh Allen
had six carries for forty two yards. I was surprised
that how they started the game off. I thought they
would run James Cook a little more early. It seemed
that in the second half they came out and made

(16:14):
a concerted effort to run him and give him the ball.
And you see the numbers are indicative of that. But
give the Falcons credit. I thought their defense bowled their
back when they needed to bowl their backs. They picked
them off late in the ball game to seal the victory. Look,
they were gonna have to score touchdown, get the on
side kick, and then still getting field goal range with

(16:34):
under fifty seconds left in the ball game, which was
gonna be a tall task. It's not impossible, but we
don't have to worry about that because the ball got
tipped and the backer picked it off. So with that
being said, watching did you see did you get an
opportunity to see some of this game?

Speaker 3 (16:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (16:49):
Yeah, I was watching everything on my phone. I mean, oh, okay,
I couldn't I couldn't hear what was going on.

Speaker 3 (16:54):
But yeah, you didn't need to hear. You need to hear.

Speaker 1 (17:01):
Uh the Falcons. Falcons now are three and two. The
Falcons could easily they could have either beaten Tampa. Yeah
what I forgot? What what happened? What happened at Tampa game?

Speaker 5 (17:15):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (17:16):
Young way Coat missed, he.

Speaker 4 (17:19):
Missed the kicks, that's right. Oh man, I can't believe
they cutting the dog man.

Speaker 3 (17:27):
What you mean you can't believe it?

Speaker 4 (17:28):
I mean, that's my homie, you know. I mean he
was cutting the food last year.

Speaker 3 (17:33):
He missed.

Speaker 1 (17:35):
But here's the thing, when you know, being a kicker,
it is tough once it goes on.

Speaker 4 (17:43):
Joke.

Speaker 1 (17:44):
You see the kicker in San fran last year, they
brought him back. He came with it to night for
the Bears. But sometimes you need to change the scenery.
And I think somebody picked up Coke. Didn't somebody pick
him up as he's on somebody's practice squad. But but Buffalo,

(18:04):
Buffalo did not look good tonight.

Speaker 4 (18:05):
Now.

Speaker 3 (18:06):
I think they came out trying to throw the ball.

Speaker 1 (18:07):
Maybe it was because the Falcons, and maybe it wasn't
so much what they didn't do as opposed to what
the Falcons did do right, Yeah, okay, twenty two first
down the seventeen Falcons favor they were two of nine
or third down Buffalo was, Atlanta was five or twelve.
Atlanta had four hundred and forty three yards of total offense.

(18:30):
Buffalo had two ninety one penalties, eight for sixty four,
six for thirty five. But it was the two turnovers
when you turned the ball over, when you're asking, you're
asking somebody to beat your ass. And that's what the
that's what that's what the that's what the Falcons did, like, hey, you.

Speaker 3 (18:48):
Know when you were young to hey, go out there
and get me a switch. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (18:51):
A funny thing too about it when I think about
the Falcons obviously being three and two, Michael Pennagini doesn't
have to do that much, even though they have Kyle,
they have Drake London, Ravey McLeod and other weapons as well.
But with John Robinson running the guy damn ball the
way he's running, it takes all the pressure off the quarterback.
The quarterback doesn't have to do much except in certain

(19:15):
situations third downs where obviously you have to throw the ball,
you know, when they know you're running. But b Jhon
Robinson is playing so goddamn well where I don't think
he I don't think people understand as good as he is.
The conversations obviously him being the best back in the league,
even when everyone else gets back to gets back to

(19:36):
rhythm and getting him flow, including Saquon and Christian McCaffrey
and Derrick Henry, a conversation still needs to be had
with Bijon being in that top five, which I mean
they were walking about it unless you're a Falcons fan
you know last year, but I mean collectively as a whole,
where all NFL fans are in agreements that he's the
top five back in this league.

Speaker 1 (19:56):
What the difference is is that you saw a lot
of Saquon on national televises games last year, you saw
Christian McCaffrey, you saw Derrick Henry. You don't really get
an opportunity to see a whole lot of Falcons game.
So he had a breakout game tonight and people get
an opportunity to see what you've been seeing and what
we see that watched the game a little bit more
closely other than you know, teams that that we root for,

(20:18):
so we know what b Jon Robinson is. We know
he can run the football. We know he's elusive, he's
a versatile back. He can run inside, he can run
with power, he can run with speed, he can catch it,
so we know, maybe maybe the casual fan is just
getting hip to be John Robinson. Obviously, Falcon fans and
people in Atlanta know exactly who and what he is.
But maybe now the outside world is just not getting

(20:40):
an opportunity to catch up because they have had some
televised games, and that's what you need. Sometimes you need
televised games because if you are one of those guys
that don't that doesn't play in necessarily a big market,
or you have a Monday night or Sunday night game,
people are not or you're in the big game, you
in Fox Big Game, the four o'clock game, or you're
in the big win that CBS T one o'clock unless

(21:00):
you play in those games, which they're not because normally
that's reserved for the Cowboys, that's the preserved for the Eagles.

Speaker 3 (21:06):
That's reserved for.

Speaker 1 (21:07):
The you know teams like that or Pittsburgh or the
Ravens or Baltimore, things like that. But the Falcons and
if they win, if they continue to win, the following year.
Normally what happens, you win, and then the following year
old show. That's when you get the games that are televised,
because they normally reward you a year a year later. Now,

(21:29):
maybe who knows, maybe the Falcons get flexed and we
see them on a Sunday night or we see them
or in a situation like this.

Speaker 3 (21:37):
But Bijon is is yeah.

Speaker 1 (21:40):
Heat that dude, he that dude nice. How many a
Russia teams can we look up?

Speaker 3 (21:45):
Ask right quick? How many Russian temps did.

Speaker 1 (21:50):
Cook have in the first half compared to the second half,
Because it seemed to me I could be wrong.

Speaker 3 (21:57):
That he ran more in the second half than he
did the first.

Speaker 1 (22:02):
I mean twenty four rushing tip where they only had
the ball like fifty plays. I was right, right, he
had seven in the first half, ten in the second half. Yeah,
I know, I was right, but I think and it
wasn't like because they tossed the ball to h to

(22:25):
Bijon and he went eighty one yards and so that
didn't take long until you got the ball back. It
wasn't like they was having these grinded out drives that
you know, twelve fourteen plays sixteen plays, twenty plays, eighteen.

Speaker 3 (22:37):
Nineteen play drives.

Speaker 1 (22:38):
They didn't have any of those, so Buffalo got to
get back to the drawing board. The defense is is
their offense? Is their defense? Yeah, Josh Allen normally has
to wear that cape. Yes, and when he doesn't wear
that cape, they're a very average football team. And that's
how most that's how most teams are driven. You look

(22:59):
at Lamar when he doesn't when he doesn't have that kpon.
Now he has a big bringing back, but you still
have to pay attention to number eight Mahomes. He normally
has to play play great in order for them to win.
And that's how the teams are situated. Now, you pay
this so much money in those guys, and when they
don't play well, they look very marginal, they look very average. Yeah,

(23:20):
and uh, and that's what happened to night. Buffalo didn't
look good. Tonight Buffalo hadn't looked good. I don't think
the last two game. I think that this is the
second game they've lost, right, So this is back to
back losses for them, Joe, and they haven't looked good
in either game.

Speaker 3 (23:36):
Sean mcnermy's gonna have to do better. You're gonna be
on the hot seat, you think so? Absolutely? Absolutely absolutely.

Speaker 4 (23:44):
Oh wait a minute, now, we talk about the Buffalo Bills.

Speaker 1 (23:48):
Talk about the Buffalo Bill and they just got they
just got to prove for new funding for a new stadium.
They've been he's been the coach, he's a defensive coordinator.
They got rid of Leslie Fraser. Yes, and at some
point in time, Theolas, you're gonna want a return on

(24:08):
that investment, which means getting to the Super Bowl.

Speaker 3 (24:11):
I'm tired of being the bridesmaid.

Speaker 1 (24:12):
I'm tired of tending everybody else's wedding and everybody else
is getting married except I.

Speaker 4 (24:17):
Yeah, I just I just don't see it. Maybe you
see it a little different than me. Maybe you see
it a little differently than I do when I when
I look at the Bills. Obviously, they gonna always come
out to the a s C East, they can always
do that. They're always going to be in contention. So
there's a chance that if they will, they will be
maybe in the a SC Championship. But I wouldn't see
theola is pulling the trigger that fast, knowing that you

(24:39):
already have a quarterback in place.

Speaker 1 (24:41):
Yes, get somebody else to coach it, you think so so,
So at what point in time do I keep hitting
my head on the ceiling and realize this is how
as I can go damn, Cause look, I don't care
how big an animals is supposed to get, but if
you can find him into an environment, he's only gonna
get so big he'll go to the com finds with
that environment. Maybe maybe. And I don't advocate anyone losing

(25:05):
their job. Sean McDermott is taking them as far as
he can take them. I mean, at some point it happened,
Tony Done, you got fired.

Speaker 4 (25:14):
Oh yeah, I remember that.

Speaker 1 (25:15):
But John Drewden did what came in the first year
and did what with the Super Bowl? Okay, we saw
that with Mark Jackson and the Golden State Warriors, we
see that a lot.

Speaker 3 (25:24):
We saw that with Phil Jackson with the Lakers. It happened.

Speaker 4 (25:28):
Mm hmmm. I don't know, especially especially a team like
that that that that's so high powered. When Josh Allen
is on, there's certain mistakes that they can't make in
the playoffs that have haunted him. And and most of
the time, I hate the fact that the coaches get
blamed for the mistakes that the players make and important

(25:49):
games where moments matter most. But I kind of give
what you're saying, but I kind of don't because they're
so good. When Josh Allen is on, when he's all.

Speaker 1 (25:59):
I'm I didn't pay it. Got three hundred million dollars
for the regular season. That's not what I That's not
what I gave him, two hundred and sixty plus million dollars,
fully guaranteed for he's already been to the how many
times he's been to the championship game and we see them.
He keeps losing to who be at Kansas City, at
home or on the road. It does not matter.

Speaker 4 (26:23):
You gotta get you gotta get over that. Humphy.

Speaker 1 (26:26):
Look, Thegoulas, the Pegoulas, Uh, they got that. They got
a funding for a new stadium. They're gonna have a
new stadium in Buffalo. And I know, Look, but he
wins ten games. That's not good twelve games, that's not
good enough. They have underachieved. They got one of No

(26:47):
matter what you think of him, they got have to
have one of the three best quarterbacks in football. And
they've had this type of high powered offense for the longest. Yes,
and every year that they don't get it done. That
this was supposed to be the year they take down
Patrick Mahomes. This was supposed to be the year. Remember
Buffalo went in there and beat him. They had all

(27:09):
we want Patrick Mahons. We got Patrick mahonmes, and he
got to come to Buffalo. He went to Buffalo, put
foot center. If they go to Kansas City, he put
foot Center. So it doesn't matter. At some point in time,
Oh Joe, we've got that. We've got to get to
the promise.

Speaker 4 (27:23):
Of the conversation. Yeah, I guess.

Speaker 3 (27:25):
I'm telling you, Okay.

Speaker 1 (27:27):
I remember people told me I was crazy when I
said Penn State is gonna get tired of James Franklin.
Now that Ad said exactly what I said. It played
a role that he couldn't beat the big time teams.
He beat one team in the top ten in the
Big Ten, and that was twenty sixteen when he beat
Ohio State. He's four and twenty one against top ten opponents.
I said, they're gonna get tired of that. Now you

(27:49):
can't beat the team that you can't beat the big
time teams, and now you're losing the team you should never.

Speaker 4 (27:54):
Lose to yeah, yeah, I think man, oh.

Speaker 1 (27:58):
Man, man, you reach it. He was just an in
the college football playoffs last year. Now where is he at?

Speaker 3 (28:02):
Now?

Speaker 1 (28:03):
We're gonna talk, We're gonna talk about We're gonn talk
about that. We're talking about that a little later. But
I'm telling you, o yo, these owners, they see, in
order to beat the man, you gotta feel you have
a man. Yeah, they feel they got a guy that
can go toe to toe with Patrick Mahomes. They feel
they got a guy that can go toe to toe
with Lamar Jackson, with Joe Burrow, whatever quarterback that you

(28:27):
have in the ALC that you're gonna need to stand
toe to toe with and come out of the ALC
to get to the super Bowl. They feel they got
won in six foot five two and forty five pounds.
Josh Allen, Yes, sir, now, I but Googlers want to
know why we keep coming up short?

Speaker 3 (28:48):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (28:50):
I hate I hate that. I hate that the owners
always falls back on the coach, especially in games like that,
especially in the playoffs where you're turning the ball over where
you're fumbling, and you know the coach he can't, he can't,
He done, got no control over that. But I mean
that's that's the business. That's the way it works.

Speaker 1 (29:08):
Did they get let me ask your question. Did they
give Sean mc may credit for when they won the
Super Bowl?

Speaker 3 (29:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (29:16):
Yeah, okay, okay.

Speaker 1 (29:17):
They didn't give coach Belichick any credit for winning them
Super Bowls?

Speaker 4 (29:21):
Yeah yeah.

Speaker 3 (29:23):
I mean, you.

Speaker 1 (29:23):
Can't get all the credit where things go well, and
then we don't want any of the blame when they
don't because guess what what you just said. Now you
said the quarterback that the coach don't fumble the ball,
and he don't do this and that, but when they win,
he don't throw no touchdowns either. He don't get no sacks,
he don't get no strip sacks, no scooping scores, but
he gets credit. It absolutely is. But I definitely did

(29:51):
not see. I didn't I didn't see. I didn't see
Buffalo struggling early, especially after the way they came back
in that game.

Speaker 3 (30:05):
That game, the first game against the.

Speaker 1 (30:07):
Ravens, I thought that, I'm like, okay, well you look
at the schedule, like okay.

Speaker 4 (30:12):
And it's really not surprising that they did. I know
Lamar played, but seeing how the Ravens have looked since
that game, it's not surprising that they did come back
and win that.

Speaker 3 (30:24):
Okay, it was.

Speaker 4 (30:25):
It was only it was only a matter of time
before the scabble and that came off and and everything
was exposed defensively. Now having Lamar out, it just shows
how valuable he is and how it's like he's taking
a team that just is god awful, which which still not.
They're just playing bad right now.

Speaker 1 (30:43):
Another defense is bad, even though now the defense had
their best game on Sunday. Yeah, because the Rams are
really good offensively. You got Pooka, they got Davante, they
got higg Bit tight end. Kyrien Williams can run the football.
We know Matthew Stafford can throw it with the A's
quarterbacks in the NFL. And that defense is really really good.

(31:03):
The Rams got a really good defense. I thought the
Ravens played their best game defensively. They got no help offensively,
especially from the quarterback position. Cooper Rush was awful. He
was all I mean, I'm not breaking news to anybody,
and everybody knows that he's been awful. Everybody thinks they

(31:24):
have a great backup until the backup actually has to play.

Speaker 4 (31:27):
Hey, there's a reason that backup is the backup.

Speaker 1 (31:30):
Yeah, you come in off the bench, Ohoe, the start
of goes down somewhere in the game and you come
in like, oh, yeah, we got us a backup. But
what happened when he has to play for an extended
period of time, which Cooper Russians had to do.

Speaker 4 (31:41):
Yeah, it'd be nice to have one that can keep
your team head above water.

Speaker 3 (31:48):
That's all you need.

Speaker 4 (31:50):
But it's hard, though.

Speaker 1 (31:53):
It's hard, oh Joe, for the simple fact is that
you can't. You know, you used to have a guy that,
you know, eight nine, ten years in the league. You
could pay him a decent salary. Now you gotta like
hope the guy can develop mm hm on your bench,
or you get a guy that that was that was
a career back up, a career journeyman or something like that.

(32:16):
It's hard, Like think about it. Steve Young was on
the forty nine ers. He just sot for years and
years and years and years. You ain't ain't nobody doing
that no more, Ojoe.

Speaker 4 (32:25):
He said for like he said for four right for.

Speaker 1 (32:27):
No hell nah, he got there like eighty seven he
shot eighty eight, eighty nine, ninety ninety one. Joe got
hurt in ninety two. Okay, and he won the MVP.
They traded Joe in ninety three, so he socked for
about six years.

Speaker 4 (32:45):
Joe went to Kansas City.

Speaker 3 (32:46):
Yah he did, Yeah, he did. It's crazy, oh Joe.

Speaker 1 (32:54):
The NFL suspended Brian Branch for one game for hitting
j Smith Juju Smith schust excuse me, Branch standard forfeit
seventy six, six hundred and twenty four dollars for his
one game suspension.

Speaker 3 (33:05):
Branch is appealing the suspension.

Speaker 1 (33:08):
NFL the vice president of Football Operation, John Runyon.

Speaker 3 (33:14):
Boy boy, that boy, this ain't something.

Speaker 1 (33:17):
Your aggressive non football acts was entirely unwarned, poised to
a serious risk of injury, and clearly violated the standard
of conduct and sportsmanship expected of NFL players. Your conduct
reflected poorly on the NFL and has no place in
our game. Branch, I did a little childish thing. But

(33:42):
I'm tired of people doing a little childish thing. Okay,
but I'm tired of people doing stuff between the players
and the ref don't catch it. They be trying to
bully me out there, and I don't. I shouldn't have
to have did what I did. It was childish. Come on, come, on, Bro,
I know how you've played football too long, O Joe.

(34:03):
We know how to get somebody back if they doing
stuff to us to make.

Speaker 3 (34:08):
It look like a plate.

Speaker 1 (34:10):
Yeah, so you doing this after that wasn't no, no, no,
that was reckless, bro. And I understand we're human. There's
a human element of it. But what you should have
done is just walked onto the locker room. You already
know you boiling. You know that, O Joe, just got
head to the locker room because you did all that talking. Now,

(34:33):
think about how you when they winning. Let me ask
you a question, had they won, do you think he
would have done that if the same thing, if the
same course of action Juji said, Juju hit him in
his bag and it was right there in front of
the referee, and the ref didn't do anything had they
won this game, Oh Joe, do you believe Brian Branch
would have acted in the matter in which he acted.

Speaker 4 (34:54):
No, I don't think so, but I think you know
you know what else happened. He was antagonized, not only
all game the toss crack, he came down, he caught
Brian Branch. Brian Branch, obviously you got to know that
somebody got to call that out too, Yes, I got
to call it. They didn't. They didn't call it out.
He got Brian real good on, h didn't right in
the side of their hole. Yes, after the game, God damn.

(35:15):
Juju must have been antagonized during the game. He had
the nerve to come up and try to shake his hand.
He was playing games in the game.

Speaker 1 (35:22):
Man, hey, bro, how you doing? Hey? Hey, oh Joe,
No hard feeling. Whatever happened in the game, happened in
the game. We leave it in the game. Oh tak
hold on, what's that? What's that? If it's in the game,
it's in the game.

Speaker 4 (35:35):
Yeah, yeah, okay, it's.

Speaker 3 (35:37):
In the game. It's in the game. We left it
in the game.

Speaker 4 (35:41):
Oh yo, that might be personal, That might be personally.

Speaker 1 (35:44):
Think about what they should have been stealing on us.
I should have been getting steal on out the every
game because all I did was talk. Oh okay, oh
think about it. All you did was talk?

Speaker 4 (35:53):
Yeah, but see yo talk You know our stuff? Well,
my stuff, My stuff wasn't malicious, up was fun. Yours.
I don't know if yours.

Speaker 1 (36:03):
It all depends how how you wanted what you wanted
to talk about, Cause we could take it there. We
can take it there. You want to make it personal,
we'll make it personal. If you want to keep it.
If you want to keep it about athletic ability, you're
not very good, we can take it there. But if
you want to take it to another place, we can

(36:25):
go there too.

Speaker 4 (36:28):
Hey.

Speaker 1 (36:28):
I know, Hey, I'm gonna make sure whatever you give me,
I'm gonna give it back to your plus shipping and
handling because I need to make sure you get it.

Speaker 4 (36:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (36:35):
Oh man, And like I said, anybody with the exceptional
beat cops, anybody that did something dirty to me in
the game, I got their ass back. I made it
look just like a plate from parafet do. I cut
a dude in the charges for the rest of the year,
I won't get you back.

Speaker 3 (36:53):
Man.

Speaker 1 (36:53):
You and hey, I got a family to feed. You
didn't think about that my family. You don't give it
down about my family. I give less than a damn
about yours.

Speaker 4 (37:02):
I can't play with the knees, though I can.

Speaker 3 (37:04):
I can play with how he played with my knees.

Speaker 4 (37:08):
Yeah, it's a game.

Speaker 3 (37:10):
Hey, don't you want to play this game?

Speaker 4 (37:11):
Won't Joe? Yeah, I understand, But you know, once that
need go out. You know, most of the time, you
never the same unless you Adrian Peterson, you ain't never
the same.

Speaker 3 (37:19):
He didn't think about that when he hit me in
my knee.

Speaker 4 (37:21):
Yeah, I got you, I got you.

Speaker 1 (37:23):
So you so you want me to You want me
to think about his needs when he gave less than
a damn about mine? So what about my grandma? What
about my sister? What about my kids? Now, I'm gonna
get you back. I'm going to get you back. I'm
not gonna hurt my team. I'm not gonna get a
penalty to hurt my team. But I will get you.

(37:45):
Or guess what, you got a teammate, I get him
right long as y'all know how in the family you
and you in the family in the streets.

Speaker 3 (37:55):
If I can't get you, I get somebody close to you.

Speaker 4 (37:58):
Okay, okay, okay, it sounds like you said you sound
like you sound like the Hawaiians.

Speaker 3 (38:03):
Now, okay, nah.

Speaker 1 (38:06):
All, I will Hey, how we do all I needed
to know at the game? How we doing this? Snap
the whistle or snapped it after the whistle? Because I
can do it either way. It don't make me no
never mind, right, So h m hmm, you're not finna
do that. You're not finna cheap shot me. I think
I ain't gonn finna get you back right.

Speaker 4 (38:28):
But I think we played we played the Falcons one time,
unc man, and they caught me with that cheap shot.
I think whoever the deepensive coordinator was at that time
in two thousand and seven, they told, they told them
to do that. They told whoever the safety was at
that time. I can't remember. I can't remember the safty's name.
I mean, the play was clearly over and the head
the coach, whoever the decordinated, maybe the head coach. I

(38:49):
need y'all to get chair. I need y'all to get
chaired off his game. Just hit him after the play.
I'm talking, uncle, I'm clean walking back to the huddle.
Dude came full speed, full speed, clean our clock, and
the re rep came and grabbed me. And so that's
how y'all want to play, and that's how we're gonna play.

Speaker 3 (39:05):
Well.

Speaker 4 (39:05):
Obviously I wasn't a physically imposing type player, but man,
I let that after that, Oh I let that. That's
that's that's that's that's that's that's the game. I did
the little the little saucy celebrate. Oh I had, Oh yeah,
I had.

Speaker 1 (39:24):
Oh we we had a what you call him the
uh as a matter of fact, we've playing the Bengals.

Speaker 4 (39:31):
Don't do that. Don't do that. No, it wasn't it
wasn't us, It wasn't.

Speaker 1 (39:35):
I took out the whole defensive line. I did a
text block.

Speaker 4 (39:39):
How you took out everybody? They tripped up?

Speaker 3 (39:42):
They had.

Speaker 1 (39:44):
Leg whip everything. I got the guy that was I
got the guy that was inside of me. I cross
crossed body him, and then I leg whipped the guy
that tried to jump, got him.

Speaker 4 (39:54):
Wait, they ain't call a leg whip.

Speaker 3 (39:56):
They didn't.

Speaker 4 (39:58):
Yeah, they must not have been used to it seeing
it back then.

Speaker 1 (40:01):
The word Hey, I'm gonna get you back. Oh Joe,
I got to it's a must. I forget my I
forget my damn man, my bad. I thought I was blocking. Yeah,
John done zoom won by my ear. I'm just going
to get I'm going to get the corner. Oh yeah,

(40:22):
I'm trying. Uh As. Look at ninety seven and see
who the starting cornerback was for outside of uh Dale
Carter and I forget the other guy or oh he
was at Kansas City ninety seven starter.

Speaker 4 (40:38):
And he was We used to battle warfield, right, nah?

Speaker 1 (40:41):
No, oh yeah, he was there, and I think that
was like two thousands.

Speaker 3 (40:45):
Oh that was the two thousands. Okay, I'm tripping mad now.

Speaker 1 (40:49):
They had done got soft then, but you know, dealing
with d C and the other dude, what's this I
can't think of his name?

Speaker 3 (41:02):
Oh man, Oh we used to or we used to
battle o Joe. Oh. When I say we battle, I
mean sometimes. Hey.

Speaker 1 (41:11):
They would just putting me outside, saying, we don't want
you to just run him over, just fight him. Okay, Hey, hey,
just give me, just give me a couple of passes.
Let me keep my let me keep my streak alive.
I want to catch one catch a game.

Speaker 3 (41:25):
I'm good. How we want to do it?

Speaker 4 (41:30):
Hey?

Speaker 3 (41:31):
What DC was the left corner? Who was the right corner?
James Hasty?

Speaker 4 (41:38):
Oh remember James Hasty?

Speaker 3 (41:39):
James Hasty?

Speaker 4 (41:41):
Jay?

Speaker 1 (41:41):
You week after him? Hey, Chad after? Hey, me and
Hasty used to battle that he yeah, because he tried
to he tried to punk the receivers. I'm not it,
not me. Let's say j R p E. I don't
play them games.

Speaker 4 (42:03):
Hey, so you were there with Dave. Remember remember I
caught Deal Carter with the Ravens with Prime.

Speaker 1 (42:08):
Yeah, d I played a year with d I played
the year with d C in Denver. I mean yeah,
he came to us. D C came one year with
d C like ninety like men nineties like ninety five,
and then he played with me. But you know, meet
him and hasty, you know as a homeboy. Yeah see

(42:29):
just a just a let's let's make sure we stay homeboy.
And they got nothing to do with you. He got
to do with him, right, Me and me and what
do you call him? Me and d d T fell
out by that rest is soul.

Speaker 4 (42:43):
Derrick Thomas.

Speaker 3 (42:44):
I was getting into it with Wayne Simmons.

Speaker 1 (42:47):
I made sure I never cut DT, never never tried
to crack back on him with anything. Me and Wayne
Simmons getting into it. He came, I like, what, oh,
won't I say? I say, d T, this ain't got
nothing to do with you. Let's leave that alone. Well
it got something to do with me now, yes, So

(43:14):
let's not Hey o Joe, I say, I said, bro, Bro,
they say this ain't your fight. Let his Wayne Simmons
rest his soul. He tragically lost his life in a
in an automobile automobile accident. Uh but bro mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (43:35):
Once I go.

Speaker 4 (43:36):
In, it's a rap his on.

Speaker 3 (43:41):
Pittsburgh Earl Earl. Uh what was the dude named?

Speaker 4 (43:44):
Earl Holmes?

Speaker 3 (43:46):
Earl Holmes Earl?

Speaker 1 (43:48):
Oh, he's smeck and got me too. He got me though,
he got me? Oh man, that joke if you go
back and look at it. I was miked up and
we u we scored a touchdown and I went to him.
I said, we're gonna take advantage of you. You the
weak link, you, that's you.

Speaker 3 (44:08):
Then, yeah, he was a he was he was a
plug because you.

Speaker 1 (44:14):
Know, back then they ran the three four so he yeah,
they had the mic, the plug, the sam in the well.
Oh yeah, he got me. But he said this this
was a bro. No, a childish is somebody walking off
and you kicked the back of their foot in the trip.

Speaker 3 (44:31):
This ain't no childish, that's grown man behavior. Bro oh Joe.

Speaker 1 (44:34):
You know why they got it because the whole world
is watching that game, absolutely, and they tried to go
to commercial and they get this, No, we can't go
to commercial.

Speaker 3 (44:43):
We can't go to commercial. Now everybody see that.

Speaker 4 (44:45):
Yeah, and you trying to picture in Juju. It looked like.

Speaker 3 (44:50):
Joe, that's a mean oh man, come on.

Speaker 4 (44:53):
Now, hey, hey, it ain't nothing. Rolled a little stuff
with every blue moon, every blue moon, and keep it,
keep it exciting, keep it every where.

Speaker 1 (45:03):
You think you for, boy, you think you for to
shove me in my face, and I'm just gonna just
let that walk with the boat. The only thing I hate, Juju. Congratulations, Juju,
you able to do it?

Speaker 3 (45:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (45:13):
Hey, everybody, keep your hands to yourself. That's the number
one rule. Keep your hands to yourself. You ain't got
no kids this age, so don't put your hands on me.

Speaker 3 (45:25):
Boy. A whole new football game would have been played
on that field.

Speaker 1 (45:32):
I don't know if that feel that turf got tore up,
but then it got tore up that after that, and
Juju Juju came in like he was like, he ain't
come he ain't come in over the four because come on, man,
but Jacko got the dude, and the dude grab your
face mass and still throw you down.

Speaker 4 (45:50):
Hey y'all, no, hey, good, ain't ain't nothing like a
good old squabble.

Speaker 1 (45:57):
It's about talk about leave leave podcast, the state of podcast,
to leave football, to real men. I guess you didn't
know what I did before I started podcasting. I don't
know if he gonna win this appeal. I mean, oh,
that's a lot of money on your that's seventy that's
that's a game check. They're taken away from him. I

(46:17):
don't seventy six thousand, seventy six six twenty four a
game check.

Speaker 3 (46:26):
I know he's gonna get a game for that, Oh Joe.
The whole world saw that.

Speaker 1 (46:29):
Yeah, it's the same thing with uh uh j Carter,
Jayleen Carter Carter. Had it happen in the game, he'd
have got suspended. But because he got ejected, and when
you get ejected X, Y and Z, that's why they
didn't suspend him.

Speaker 3 (46:47):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (46:48):
I already knew he was getting a game. He was
gonna get that game, and the whole world saw that.
They watching mm hmm, they might they might be an NFL.
They're gonna let you, ain't gonna let you, ain't gonna
let you. Uh, they don't do everything they can to
protect that shield otoe.

Speaker 3 (47:03):
You know that.

Speaker 1 (47:04):
Oh, if they find you for your socks, roll down,
Oh Joe, how many times you think I got fined
for socks rolled down. Now they let the guys cut
their jersey. We tried to cut our jersey. That was
five ten thousand dollars. Y'all told me about one fifty back.

Speaker 4 (47:19):
Listen, I cut mine and had and had it sold
and had it sold, so it stopped right at the waistline. Yes,
I got in trouble for that, got in trouble from
the socks being too low, got in trouble for wearing
gold clicks. I used to cut the towel in the bathroom. Yeah,
it made the street little streamer hanging out, hanging out.

Speaker 3 (47:35):
Now you can't hang in. It's gotta be a NFL issue.

Speaker 4 (47:38):
And listen, I take the fine, the black chin strap,
the orange chin strap.

Speaker 3 (47:44):
Man, Man, they don't what you have them now.

Speaker 1 (47:45):
Because I used to have a blue. I got a
white one, but I used to I used to have
a blue one.

Speaker 4 (47:51):
Yeah, I ain't. That's what.

Speaker 3 (48:10):
I acted right when I got to Baltimore. I didn't
do all that.

Speaker 1 (48:13):
But nah, you guys, this is how it normally works
in an NFL game. If you cheap shot somebody, they
go to hell and beyond to get you back. But
in the process of that, they make it look now,
sometimes they just don't give a damn. They're just like,

(48:35):
I'm gonna take the I'm gonna take the fifteen yard penalty.
I wasn't really to put my team in harm's way
by taking a fifteen yard penalty. So now I got
to get your ass back. But I got to make
it look like i'm blocking you. What I'm gonna get
your back. That's me when you do when you take
it here after there's no play going on on, yo,

(48:55):
everybody's decompressed. Hey boy, how you doing man, Good to
see you, mad man, good game man. Hey, o Joe, man,
you balling that a bad congratulations to a big Hey.
We'll see y'all down the road. We'll see y'all again.
So forth the song. So ain't nobody thinking about that?

Speaker 3 (49:09):
Right?

Speaker 1 (49:10):
What's the game's over? I'm done now. If I ticked
off about something, I'm going straight to the locker room.
I'm not mingling around because I already know see me,
o Joe, I'm a I'm a terrible loser.

Speaker 3 (49:23):
I'm a worst winner.

Speaker 1 (49:25):
So you've been talking, Oh, you've been talking, talking and
we win. Oh I got to steal out there, Oh Joe,
I gotta stay out there.

Speaker 4 (49:34):
Yeah, and you know, and and and Brian Branson's defense.
Obviously the game was over. Juju went up to him.
So in a sense, he's damn they're provoked him.

Speaker 3 (49:42):
Oh Jo, the band stuck his hand out. All you
had to do was walk by.

Speaker 1 (49:45):
So if somebody walk by to shake your hand and
they mush you in the face, you provoked him, Ojo,
cause you stuck your hand out.

Speaker 3 (49:51):
You see how that looks. You see how that sounds.

Speaker 1 (49:54):
Your hand out to shake somebody hand, they mush you
in your face.

Speaker 4 (49:57):
Yeah, I know how to OptiX of a look, but
I'll so no. They God damn those folks, and that
that that appeal office. Whoever got appealed to. They seen
the goddamn game.

Speaker 3 (50:07):
Uh Jacks and Brooks.

Speaker 4 (50:10):
So Marton hangs, don't do it no more.

Speaker 1 (50:12):
Uh Martin a run your tuck Uh h John running
run tuck mertins.

Speaker 4 (50:19):
Okay, Yeah, goddamn.

Speaker 1 (50:21):
But but you you appealed either the James track uh
uh thrash or Brooks. They're d brick dB Brooks or
and then it goes to so running hands it out
and then you appeal it to thrashing Brooks.

Speaker 3 (50:38):
Okay, but just bro, he got you. So let me
ask you a question.

Speaker 1 (50:43):
Oh, Joe, you think that's the first time that Brian
Branch has ever been hitting the clips in the back?

Speaker 3 (50:48):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (50:49):
Probably probably not a toss crack, No, no, absolutely not.

Speaker 3 (50:53):
But I think if you play safety of course.

Speaker 4 (50:55):
Yeah, but Juju is one who's known to get under
people's skin. He's done before, yes, and he ain't got
him good to get to get Brian Branch to break
characters like that and in the game, not only during
the game, but after the game as well, Like you know,
it had to be some serious Well, he.

Speaker 1 (51:13):
Couldn't played He couldn't played it in the nineties in
two thousand because what was he gonna do with hines Ward?
Oh oh man, that's like, what was he gonna do
with hines Ward?

Speaker 4 (51:22):
Now that's a different ball game.

Speaker 1 (51:24):
So he upset about ju Ju. Yeah, they changed the
rule because of hines Ward. Mm.

Speaker 4 (51:32):
Yeah remember what Juju did, the perfect remember you got perfect?

Speaker 3 (51:36):
Yes, I remember, I remember what hines did, the Keith rivers.

Speaker 4 (51:40):
And broken jaw.

Speaker 3 (51:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (51:42):
Yes, they outlawed the blind side block because of him.
Samp was the one that they put in the defense.
Can't crack back on because when Samp got Chad Clifton,
and I think what he just dislocated his hip.

Speaker 4 (51:56):
That sounds for me. Chad cliff he was.

Speaker 1 (51:59):
An offensive lineman. Tamp forgot a pick he was chasing
and Sap peel back. I think he dislocated his help.
That's why him and the head coach was going into
it and Sam told him, you so to put a
helvet on, you gonna put a help it on.

Speaker 4 (52:16):
I remember, I remember that game. Yeah, remember that game.

Speaker 1 (52:25):
If it's God, oh Joe, you know you're gonna get
You're gonna get clipped, you gonna get hid. Things as
football happen once the game is over. If I didn't
get your ass back in that game, hopefully it's a
division opponent, because I see your ass again either at
your place for.

Speaker 4 (52:42):
Hours, and I'm gonna remember too. I'm not gonna I'm.

Speaker 3 (52:46):
Like an emphat. I won't forget it.

Speaker 4 (52:48):
Yeah, the best memory of all get back.

Speaker 1 (52:55):
But look, I think the thing is is that just
take on the ship. You see how Dan Campbell was
Dan Campbell, sa I love him, be said that that
is who we are, right, take it, but hey, just
take ownership of it.

Speaker 3 (53:10):
It was my bad.

Speaker 1 (53:13):
Let my emotions get the best of me. You want
to appeal it, I ain't got no problem. Yes, appeal it.
But to say this was a little childish thing, little
oh Joe after TWA dined out his teammates during the

(53:36):
last night press conference, Mike McDaniel said today he believes
Tua could have handled things differently. Yeah, by not throwing
three interceptions. Let's take a listen to what the head
coach had to say.

Speaker 5 (53:47):
After a loss as as the franchise quarterback. That's not
the forum to displace that. I think he knows that now.
I do honestly believe it was not. There's no ill intention,
but your talking about uh, you know, I think kind
of a misguided represent representation of player orchestrated film sessions.

(54:11):
And you know the bottom line is no one's going
to be happy and always is looking for reasons, uh
for failure to succeed. So you're trying to look for
reasons that you know you can attribute to losses. And
there's a you know, heavy as the crown of being

(54:32):
a franchise quarterback. I think you know, what I do
know is that he's directly communicated with a lot of guys,
Uh started with last night and that's what team teammates do.
And you uh, you live and you learn.

Speaker 1 (54:53):
What's what's wrong with Mike Huh, he'd be bro he
knows it's over.

Speaker 3 (54:58):
O Joe, he knows it's over.

Speaker 4 (55:00):
I know it just it just something. It just doesn't
seem right, you know, not now, only that with the way.

Speaker 1 (55:04):
You lose it, and you know after the end of
the year, it might become Before the end of the year.
You see, we're going to talk about the Tennessee situation.
How Callahan after year and a half he got dismissed,
which is seemingly not shocking because if you go look
at most of the last number one overall draft picks, say,
in the last ten years, only two coaches have remained

(55:27):
the entire season, and they were fired and one of
them was fired after the season.

Speaker 3 (55:33):
So with that being said, Uh, tour.

Speaker 1 (55:42):
If film study, if this is something that you guys instituted.
You being a captain, you're responsible for making sure everybody
shows up and how important it is to be on time.
That's not mac McDaniel's job. Now, if they show up
late to his meeting, they ain't got nothing to do.
With yeah, yeah, you try to say, hey, come on, guys,
let's be professional, let's be pros. Profession is our occupation.

(56:05):
We're professional football players. A pro is how we go
about our business. We show up on time. That Now,
if you had team individual let's say wide receivers, you
got film study or we got we got film study.

Speaker 3 (56:21):
As an offense.

Speaker 1 (56:22):
As the captain, is my job to make sure and
explain it clearly, concise it starts at this time.

Speaker 3 (56:33):
Guys.

Speaker 1 (56:34):
This kind of what got us in this situation. We
started letting things slip. We started letting one minute turn
the two minutes turn to three minutes, turn to five minutes,
and guys started walking theirself eight nine, ten minutes after
we see guys start coming, you know, running on the
field with the paths and unthinned.

Speaker 3 (56:50):
No no, no, no, no no no no no no no.
That wasn't happening. That can't happen.

Speaker 1 (56:55):
And so you have to make them, have to hope
they understand the importance. But it's hard because I don't
think people look at two as a leader.

Speaker 3 (57:05):
That's his problem.

Speaker 4 (57:07):
Hey, you know what, and then I have to have
to say something. If they didn't see two as a
quarterback number one. If they didn't see two as a leader,
then they wouldn't paid him when they paid him.

Speaker 3 (57:17):
Man, no, they tell me what choice they have now.

Speaker 1 (57:25):
Brian floyd is wanted justin Herbert the owner wanted Tour.
So guess who won. Brian Floryd didn't play that. Brian
Floydes came from Bill Belichick. You know, damn well, you're
not walking in the team meeting, You're not walking to
the individual meeting. You're not walking in the meeting late.
You're not walking into practice late. You're gonna be at

(57:47):
the plane on time. But they didn't like that. That
was too difficult. So now this is what you got.

Speaker 3 (57:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (57:53):
Former Dolphins wide receiver de Sean Hamilton says Tour himself
showed up late for the first team meeting and nobody
seemed to care. Doesn't seem like if fellow players respect
him or see Tour as the leader of the team.
Who said from the outside looking in he played with Tour,
who said that a former teammate DeShawn Hamilton.

Speaker 4 (58:16):
Damn man, that's not good when they come out talking
talking talking about you like all.

Speaker 1 (58:23):
I know as a former NFL player with fourteen seasons
under my belt and being a leader. I know what
leadership looks like, and I know when people respect you
as such.

Speaker 3 (58:33):
Right, they don't. Now they're gonna come out.

Speaker 1 (58:38):
Listen, they're gonna come out and say all the things
they're gonna say.

Speaker 3 (58:41):
You know, everything is cool, but they don't. I've been there.

Speaker 1 (58:45):
I've said things about a locker room and everybody attacked me.
And then after the season it started leaking out. Yeah,
blah blah blah and blah blah blah and blah blah blah.

Speaker 3 (58:56):
Hey, I'm gonna take it on the chain out. Oh hey,
they don't. They don't. I promise you.

Speaker 1 (59:05):
It wasn't very often when things weren't going well. Hey, guys,
let's have a let's have a quick meeting, right it
is wide receiver, let's meet right quick. Hey, let's get
together as an offensive group.

Speaker 4 (59:17):
Never no call outs.

Speaker 1 (59:18):
No, we have to call nobody out. But everybody we
got a hey, we got a quick meeting such and such. Ay,
after everybody walk out the field, A hold on for
just a second, right, But that was a respect level
that they have to have for you. But you can't
ask more than you're willing to give. See, you can't
ask somebody to be on time and then you show
up late. You can't ask somebody to give their all

(59:39):
and you don't. You can't ask somebody to take a
needle to the butt, to the knee, to the back,
to whatever, to the shoulders, to the ribs when you won't. Right,
you never ask more than you're willing to give yourself.
Don't ask somebody to come in shape and your fat
ass out of shape.

Speaker 3 (59:57):
That's how I operate. It's really it's really simple. Guys.

Speaker 1 (01:00:02):
Know, man, look already, no shop, gonna be on time, already,
no sharp, and it's getting his rest already, no sharp,
study his stuff. That's how you got the lead. See,
everything to us said could have been true. But you
can't say that after you turn the ball over three
times because it make it seem like you didn't take
your ass to the meeting because you were throwing the
ball right to him. You see how to see if

(01:00:24):
timing has a lot to do with winning. What you say,
o Jo, you kick now two goals out there?

Speaker 3 (01:00:30):
O Jo, he throws for.

Speaker 1 (01:00:31):
Four hundred, got four touchdowns, good Gucci. But you go
out there and you throw three picks.

Speaker 3 (01:00:38):
So I want to know.

Speaker 1 (01:00:39):
But them guys coming in late the meeting, them guys
not coming to the meeting, how did that cost you?
Call you to throw those three interceptions?

Speaker 4 (01:00:48):
M that's.

Speaker 3 (01:00:57):
I just don't believe it. I could be told wrong.
I doubt it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:02):
I don't believe all of those guys look at him
as the true leader of that team.

Speaker 3 (01:01:10):
Let me ask you a question.

Speaker 1 (01:01:11):
If Patrick Mahone called the team meeting and said, Okay, guys,
I want to receive blah blah blah.

Speaker 3 (01:01:15):
You think they're coming in late?

Speaker 1 (01:01:16):
No, if Lamar Jackson calls that, If Josh Allen, because
you said he's a franchise quarterback, franchise quarterbacks call things,
people show up, it didn't do him any any good.
What was his quote about whether he lose, he goes
home to his kids and they're happy to see him.

Speaker 4 (01:01:35):
Yeah, yeah, no matter what.

Speaker 3 (01:01:38):
Even though that might be true, you can't say that.

Speaker 4 (01:01:46):
And that's tough. That's tough, especially especially the part about
your players. Your players in the locker room that are
supposed to view you. Listen, they voted your captain. If
everybody voted you captain.

Speaker 3 (01:01:56):
It was right.

Speaker 1 (01:01:58):
Stop and you know good damn well how that that
that rig voted system.

Speaker 4 (01:02:05):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:02:06):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:02:07):
I just never seen, never seen a team or or
I think more stuff is gonna come out, more stuff
is gonna unravel as things get worse, you know, I
mean they can only go up from here.

Speaker 1 (01:02:22):
Oh Joe, I'm not on social media. I go home
see my kids. Whether I throw five picks or five touchdowns,
we win the game, we lose the game. I get
to come home to my kids who are happy to
see me every time. Boy, you think I want to
hear that. No, No, I'm happy you get to go home.
I'm happy you get to go home. I'm happy. I
am happy that it doesn't I'm sad. I'm disappointed that

(01:02:43):
it don't bother you because guess what, it bothers me
because I knew what I put in. So that tells
me you're not putting enough in. Because when you put
something in Ochoe chat, you know this, when you put
something in, when you work really really hard for something
and it doesn't go well, it bothers you.

Speaker 3 (01:03:00):
And for it not to bother.

Speaker 4 (01:03:02):
Him, Yeah, that's that's that.

Speaker 3 (01:03:05):
That's the all the No.

Speaker 1 (01:03:07):
Now see, I'm gonna have a problem with him. O Joe,
I'm gonna have a problem because it's gotta matter to you.
It's gotta matter, and it don't matter enough to it.

Speaker 4 (01:03:18):
Well, listen, listen, every every everything matters to different people
in different ways. Some handle it and show it in
different ways. Huh No, somebody might might too. It might
show here it's a little different than you show yours.
You might be a little bit more more voieous, a
little boasterous.

Speaker 3 (01:03:34):
Name a great player. I'll tell you what.

Speaker 1 (01:03:37):
Go interview any great player, any in anything in business.

Speaker 3 (01:03:43):
They worked really really hard to close this deal.

Speaker 1 (01:03:46):
It didn't close. As ask any great I'm talking about Trump.
I mean, I would like to think he's trying to
be great. They're paying him to be great. Absolutely, Name
the great player that have failed something and then well,
I got to go home to my kids.

Speaker 4 (01:04:06):
M I don't like the way he said it like that.

Speaker 3 (01:04:12):
I'm just saying, it's funny.

Speaker 1 (01:04:14):
How it's funny, how I hear people, and I hear
these people that's worth billions and billions of dollars.

Speaker 3 (01:04:19):
They built these companies.

Speaker 1 (01:04:20):
They say, guys, you expect to work thirty six to
forty hours a week. You expect to have this X, Y,
and Z and be great and have this enormous wealth
and have work life balance. If you don't work, if
you want work life balance, that's fine, that's fine. But

(01:04:45):
I just just go talk to the great. Ask Michael
George how he felt when he lost, as Kobe, as Braun,
as John Elway, as Peyton, as Tom Brady, as ask
any of the greats, because I think that's what he
aspires to be.

Speaker 4 (01:05:00):
Absolutely. I mean, that's what you play the game for it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:03):
But ojo, let's just say, for the sake of argument,
that's the case. Don't say that everything. See, everything is
not meant to be said. You might feel a certain
way about a certain thing. Just keep it to yourself,
because you know how a lot of guys, because a

(01:05:23):
lot of guys, it bothers them to lose because they
put they put a lot into it. That's not to
say to it. Don't just keep that to yourself.

Speaker 4 (01:05:35):
Yeah, and it's gonna be tough, man. I hope Mike
mcdames make it. I don't know if he is. If
he's going to make it, it's all gonna be on
to his shoulders, you know, as to it goes. The
rest of that team goes, especially offensively. You let one single,
let one slip away from you last week. Something some
i'thing gonna have to turn around.

Speaker 3 (01:05:55):
But yeah, I don't think Mike McDaniel's gonna be there
next year. Now, the question is.

Speaker 1 (01:06:05):
The next coach. You got money tied up in him?
How can I does the next coach believe? Because here's
the thing. They're probably gonna say, what can you do
with Tua? Because you know that's what happens with Yo. Yeah,
everybody coming in there, I can do this, I can
get this side and I can make it.

Speaker 3 (01:06:23):
Blah blah blah blah blah. Everybody is selling.

Speaker 4 (01:06:27):
They're gonna sell a dream every time. You know what,
They're gonna sell a dream every time.