Nightcap - Hour 1: Knicks Fight Back + Haliburton the Face of the NBA? - Club Shay Shay

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The volume. Hello ladies, gentlemen, thank you for joining us.
We're going to have a game six the Knicks at

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home one eleven the Pacers ninety four. The Knicks dominate
this game from start to finish, and they were sensationals tonight.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
And it started on the defensive end.

Speaker 1 (00:32):
Jaylen Brunson with Jayleen Bronson and Carl Anthony Towns did
what we always wanted to do is put the ball
on the floor and put his head down and get
to the basket. He was really really good tonight. But
I thought overall, this was the Knicks best game. Yeah,
they won two games, but they didn't look this good
in Game three, in which they won. They looked sensational
tonight and we hey Pacers, y'all better close this thing out.

Speaker 2 (00:53):
But they win.

Speaker 1 (00:54):
The Knicks force the game six, one eleven of ninety four.
Thank you guys for joining us for another nightcap.

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and joining us tonight. We have a very special guest
to break down this ball game. He's a two time
NBA champion, spent nine years in the league, eight of
those years with the Heat. Born and raised in Anchorage, Alaska,

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Speaker 3 (02:45):
Real.

Speaker 1 (02:45):
Let me get I'm gonna know what you're thinking about this.
You look at the Knicks and they use desperation. They
know we don't win this game. It's over. We had
a great season whatever, yat YadA and so forth and song.
But I think that I thought the Dyke they came
out with more of a it's a purpose, a more
of a sense of urgency, and it started from the
defensive end.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
They did an unbelievable job.

Speaker 1 (03:05):
Tyrese Haliburton seven shots, seven Miles Turner three shots, Pascal
Siakam thirteen shots. So when you look at it, and
you see the the most got the guy that took
the most shot tonight, he only had thirteen shots. That
lets you know the defense was locked in. They turned
them over. They did a great job. What did you

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like from what you saw from the Knicks knowing it
was winning or go home, I mean lose a go on.

Speaker 3 (03:32):
Like you said, the intensity was out there from the jump.
They were very physical from the jump than the body
on Tyreese every time he came for a handoff or
off the street in a row. They just made sure
they stayed uncomfortable. And I think that was a game
with the game plan, and they stepped to it and
they didn't have any letdowns. I think that's the main thing.
When he had a game plan going into a do
or die game like this, Yep, any little mental breakdown

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can cast you the game. And just from looking at
the game, they didn't have any, so on the defensive end,
I should say, so that's what That's what really helped
them pull away from the CA I thought.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
Also they did a great job of closing out each
quarter because you see a little run that the Pacers
we try to make in the middle like that, like
the last you know, six minutes left, four minutes left,
and you know what, they get it to like the
you know, in the first half, they get it to
with like single digits, and then they push it out
there again. And we saw this in the third quarter.
They got it down to ten, they push it back
to eighteen. We saw this in the fourth quarter. They

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push it down and they extended right back. Oh Joe,
you looking at this, and and and we always say
the Pacers are at their best when Tyrese Haliburton is aggressive. Now,
I don't know if it was the defense, because they,
as Rio said, they did an unbelievable job of crowding him.
They did an unbelievable job of putting body on body.
They let them play a little bit tonight. But I
thought at some point in time, Bro, you you ay

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put your head down.

Speaker 2 (04:46):
Two.

Speaker 1 (04:46):
He had two threes the other night. You remember, oh Joe,
he had twelve point threes. Yeah, he had twenty plus,
twenty plus shot attempts. Now he only had seven. What
was most disappointing for what you saw from the Pacers.

Speaker 4 (05:02):
It's not even disappointment. It seemed like the Pacers knew
they had a they had a game. They had another game.
They understood that the home game was you know, back
at home. You know, so there was no sense of
urgent urgency on their on the on theine half, there
was no sense of desperation. The desperation part was on
the Knicks, you know, the kind of the type of defense,
on the type of DC Mario they played the night,

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the kind of defense they shouldn't been playing the past
three games.

Speaker 3 (05:26):
Right.

Speaker 4 (05:27):
So, obviously, based on based on from what I saw,
based on what I did, what I did see the
night from from the Pacers, It's like, okay, you know what,
we're gonna let these boys have this. You know, I'm
not a conspiracy theorist, but I think Bill's got you know,
Bill's got to be paid, you know what I'm trying
to say.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
So, I mean, you know, forget it.

Speaker 4 (05:45):
We're gonna be gonna let him have a game, make
it interesting, and we're gonna close out at home.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (05:51):
I think when you when I watched this ball game,
and I watched the Pacers and saw the way they
played the first five games, I mean the first four games.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
And look at the way they played the night, I
hardly recognize this.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
I really didn't do with the turnovers, the carelessness with
the basketball ty Reeves didn't have He didn't have any turnovers,
but he was not as aggressive as I thought he
would be the bench.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
I mean, you got bathroom played unbelievable again.

Speaker 1 (06:14):
But I don't know what's going on with them Hard
because he's been struggling.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
Two of the last three games, he's really struggled.

Speaker 1 (06:21):
He put together one the other night but in game four,
but game three he has not played well. Nee Smith
had another due tonight, one of eight from the floor,
one of eight from three, only played sixteen minutes.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
I don't know if the ankle is bothering.

Speaker 1 (06:34):
Remember he tweaked that ankle, left the game, but he
did come back in. But if they want to close
the Knicks, if they think the Knicks are just gonna
tuck their tails and go run and hide.

Speaker 2 (06:45):
They're sadly mistaken. And I real, let me know what
you're thinking about this.

Speaker 1 (06:49):
I hated putting off tomorrow what I could do today
because ain't gon guarantee.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
You make it seem like.

Speaker 1 (06:56):
It's a four gone conclusion that y'all just sold y'all
just gonna just wipe the with them. Ain't no Fourgald
conclusion because you rolled ankle away. You somebody fouled trouble away.
You just one play away, and now all of a sudden,
the Knicks get the advantage. They're like, hey, we're going
back home, and then oh won't help you, right.

Speaker 3 (07:14):
I agree with you on that one. You gotta put
them away when you got them, because then you definitely
don't want to have a Game seven in the garden. Yeah,
that's the mecca. That's where everything happens in that place,
So that atmosphere is gonna be crazy, and if you
ain't ready to perform in the atmosphere, you will get
blown out. So I definitely agree with you on that one.
They should have had a business tonight.

Speaker 2 (07:33):
Well hold on, hold on, Mario, hold on, hold on.

Speaker 4 (07:35):
Let me make sure I'm hearing this right, Unkie, sound
a little nervous, No, Mario, you sound a little nervous.
That are we are we saying that the Knicks have
a chance to come back.

Speaker 1 (07:43):
And win this.

Speaker 3 (07:45):
I'm not nervous at all. But I don't have a
sin in this game. But I do want the Knicks
to come back. I want to see Game seven in
the Garden. I definitely want to see that.

Speaker 1 (07:51):
Okay, Yeah, I think the Knicks. I think the Knicks
the Pacers will play better at home. I think now
they understand, they understand the Knicks is gonna come out
with a little bit more physicality. The refs let them
play a little bit early. I mean, I was like, damn,
y'all ain't gonna call that. They're like, nah, we ain't
calling that. Get on, hey, hey the referee, SI, get up,

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we calling that bullseye. And so yes, I think the
Pacers are being ready, will be more ready for the
physicality in which the Knicks displayed the night. I think
guys are gonna be a little bit more aggressive than
what they showed tonight. Tyrese Halibert, No, they are not
winning a game with him taking seven shots. Pascal Siakam
know they're not taking They're not winning a game with
him just taking thirteen shots. Miles Turner with three shots.

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That's not nearly nearly enough. So and nobody really was
in foul trouble but them hard. But like I said,
he hadn't really played well two of the last three games,
maybe three of the last four. I have to have
to go back and check. But I thought Carl Anthony
Towns and Jaylen bruns and Jayleen Brunson got to going
early in that first quarter, and he didn't let up.
And then when he let off, Cat picked right up.

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Cat had twenty four to thirteen. And that's shooting. This
is what we've been people have been imploring Cat to do.
Cat Rod stop selling for threes. You don't need to
have ten twelve three point attempts when you got the
Hoos guarding Cat because most of the time, ain't Nobody
got no sell foot defenders.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
That can play out on the wing.

Speaker 1 (09:20):
Maybe maybe there's Heavy Mobley, Okay, maybe a Jabari Smith Jr.
But they're not a whole lot of those guys that
can match Cat. Get down on the block, you're gonna
have the advantage. You're gonna have the advantage. You see
put his head down tonight and hit the lebron shrug
when he got an ad one, got a couple of
ad ones. This is the Cat that we expect to see.

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But sometimes he fall in love riot out beyond that
three point line.

Speaker 2 (09:47):
And the teams are that the purpose intent, they're perfect
content to let him shoot those.

Speaker 5 (09:51):
All right, that's Cat for you. Though he don't like
being in the paint.

Speaker 3 (09:54):
Like he said, he the best shooting big man ever play,
so quote unquote, that's what he's saying.

Speaker 2 (09:58):
So shoot big man.

Speaker 3 (10:01):
That's what Kat says. I'm just telling you what Cat said.
They got to do with me.

Speaker 5 (10:04):
I don't agree with that statement at all, but that's
what you say.

Speaker 1 (10:07):
So you ain't have been shooting big man after seven
years when Dirk got twenty I saw, I saw Dirk
twenty year resume.

Speaker 3 (10:14):
Yeah, I'm sure that word. So it's just something he talked.
So he's trying to prove that he sailed a perimeter
and each your shutters use it to his advantage. I guess.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (10:25):
I mean the Pacers twenty turnovers tonight, they don't normally
have and they're lucky. A lot of times they'd be
like in the teens like thirteen, fourteen, twenty. I mean,
some of us careless that led the easy runout. Can't
do that on the road. But you know what we
can say, Tyrese Halliburton wasn't aggressive and see Olcam and

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Miles Turners didn't play well, and that would all that
be true, but it wasn't like they were in a
shoot around. It wasn't like they were in the layup line.
They were playing somebody, and somebody forced them to not
be all as aggressive as they needed to be. Someone
forced them into those tough shots. Someone did a great
job of getting on the offensive glass and give them
the second chance opportunities. Somebody did a great job of
preventing them from getting out because we know mak Er missed,

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the Pacers won't run.

Speaker 2 (11:09):
They did a.

Speaker 1 (11:09):
Great job of getting on Haller Burton and getting on
those guys that had the ball early so they couldn't
get the ball ahead with any efficiency.

Speaker 2 (11:15):
So give the Knicks credit.

Speaker 1 (11:17):
The Knicks did what they had to do because that
they didn't guess what, And the last thing you want
real you know this, you don't want nobody celebrating on
your damn.

Speaker 3 (11:25):
Court cold on a Mario.

Speaker 2 (11:31):
I'm not a conspiracy theorist.

Speaker 4 (11:32):
I mean, based on what I'm watching it and I
can use an analyzy in a sport that I know
it very well. I'm gonna just take box offenses. I'm
gona take box offensives. You know you get the round
six to seven, and you know you up on the scorecard,
so you know what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna take round,
I'm gonna take Brown seven off, and I'm gonna relax.
That's what the Pacers look like tonight. We know we
got it in the bags. We're gonna relax. We're gonna

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let him have his game. You know, you got a
food players playing inconsistent. You got two of the better
players that have been very aggressive and put up crazy work.
All of a sudden, they decided not to play and
be aggressive this game. It's like they it's like they
took the night off. That's exactly what it was like.
Even though we said we want to give a nigg credit, Well, hell,
what was the same defense In the same way Nick

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played the night the previous three games, they had.

Speaker 5 (12:17):
That same desperation.

Speaker 3 (12:19):
They knew the tonight tonight was a real winner go home,
especially on their home floor. They didn't want to deal
with them Knicks fans all summer here and hearing that
they got D four one, especially on their home floor. So, uh,
the steps of deforation brings out different characters. And they,
you know, Nia scept it up and they just about
to fire County, and you know, Indiana kind of back
down and they kind of threw a couple of shots,

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and New York didn't back down, so they kind of
back down. Was like, all right, bring on, wish you
all night this one.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (12:47):
But here's the thing though, O Joe, is that sometimes
all it takes, and you say a boxer, you know
he's up on the scorecard, six round. Sometimes all it
takes is one round to swing the momentium to fight.
And now to cut it, a couple of punches now
hurt you. Now all of a sudden that he was like, damn,
im about to mail this thing in. And the next thing,
you know, like, oh I got a chance. I got

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a chance, so we'll were fixed. So now he done
got a knockdown. So now guess what I got to
a Yeah? Now, yeah, by damn they even yeah yeah.
And so now the Knicks right, hold on, oh they
bleed too. Oh hey, let's keep this thing because if
you think about it, the Knicks, the uh, the Knicks

(13:28):
have come back. This is the first game they've led,
why the wire. All the other games they've been behind
no ch other. So they're like, hold on, what let's
just say, for the sake of argument, what happens if
we don't let them get out to fifteen or twenty
two point lead. What if we make this thing nip
tuck all the way down to the to the wire.

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We know we got the best clothes in the NBA.
We got the guy that won the award, Jalen Brunson
was the club was voted to clutch it.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
And we've seen him all thought.

Speaker 1 (13:58):
We saw him against the Pistons, we saw him gets
the Celtics, and we've seen them in this series, so
we know.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
Let's just say, for the Saga market.

Speaker 1 (14:05):
We get this thing down to the last five minutes
of the ball game, and that game within five points.

Speaker 2 (14:10):
I like our chances.

Speaker 3 (14:11):
Guys.

Speaker 1 (14:12):
Let's see what we can do. Let's say, let's keep
them at bait. Let's not let these horses out to the
stable with it. Hey, let's turn them into ply horses.
Let's keep get them in the half court set where
they can't get up and down and use all that athleticism,
them young legs that they got. Let's get them in
the half court set, and let's see how well they execute.
Because that's what the Knicks did a great job of
doing tonight. I mean, look at what Hali Broke was

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trying to hand the ball off mother's damn timeline. Fans
the pre point line. Real Court tried to do a
dribble hand off in the screeny on. They're like, nah, bro,
you're not getting down this same that had the free
throw line. Hell nah, because now all of a sudden,
we get you the pre throw line. You hit that
little funky jumper, or you get a big on so

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you step back and hit that three on us, or
you dump it down the passcal of Miles Turner create mismatches.

Speaker 3 (15:02):
That's what he likes to do.

Speaker 1 (15:03):
Yep, But I thought they look desperate. Time costs a
desperate measure of the Knicks. One Nick fan said he
paid a witch to cast a spell to help the
Knicks win tonight.

Speaker 2 (15:15):
I don't know na if you if you was if
you're a gamer man. I don't gamble, Mario.

Speaker 4 (15:22):
But if you was a gam the man and you
had to pick a team bet on the night, it's commisation.

Speaker 2 (15:30):
And guard, you're the one. You a grip.

Speaker 5 (15:32):
Yeah, I take that back, just the way the basketball
guards work.

Speaker 1 (15:36):
Yeah, I agree. You get no argument from me, but
I would have picked the next. But I thought, giving
the way the Pacers played against the Cavaliers when they
had an opportunity to close it out in Game five, yel,
they went on the road and they closed it out.
So I thought that, you know a little bit of that, like, Okay,
they're gonna close They're gonna close this thing. OU don't
They're gonna close this thing out. But I think, I

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don't know.

Speaker 3 (15:58):
I didn't believe in Cleveland all year. They had. They
had a great season, but when it came to like
playouts and focused in, I didn't think they would go
too far in the playoffs. So I think Indiana winning
that one, so I mean beating in either way.

Speaker 2 (16:11):
So in Cleveland, well yeah, I think I think.

Speaker 1 (16:19):
When you look at it, Cleveland was underdog underscle excuse me, Cleveland.
The Pacers were the underdog in both series, the underdog
in this series. They're up three to two now. They
were underdog against Cleveland, they beat them for one. The
Knicks were underdog against Boston, they beat them for one.
So for the most part, Uh, the Eastern Conference has

(16:39):
been all about upsets.

Speaker 5 (16:42):
Yeah, pretty much true. Being healthiest at.

Speaker 1 (16:44):
The right moment, Yeah, Saturday's gonna tell I mean, look,
that first quarter is gonna tell us a lot.

Speaker 2 (16:50):
We're gonna see who's tight.

Speaker 1 (16:51):
We don't see how well the Pacers can handle adversity.
Given the magnitude of this moment, you do not want
to go back to Madison Square.

Speaker 2 (17:02):
Guard.

Speaker 1 (17:02):
Hey, I might go back there, go shopping. They might
have a fashion show there. That's the only way I'm
going back to New York. I am not going back
to play another basketball game.

Speaker 2 (17:12):
Until Lochobra November December.

Speaker 5 (17:16):
I'm rooting for a game seven. I want to see
Game seven in the Guards.

Speaker 3 (17:19):
So I hate to say it, bro, I want the
next the way you know, being a being a heat guy,
we never root for the Knicks, so I want to
see a game seven.

Speaker 1 (17:27):
Well, how you well, I know you ain't root for
the Pacers because I think y'all played them like three
years in the row.

Speaker 5 (17:32):
But then we need them. I ain't worried about that
New York, New York, New York.

Speaker 3 (17:35):
We inherit that beat from Tim Hardaway and the lines
on all that, so we had no choice. We had
no choice play.

Speaker 2 (17:43):
I think y'all want to play the Knicks once in
the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (17:48):
Yeah, and I think y'all I think y'all swepting that
year because now I think Melo had fifty one game,
but y'all still end up beating them.

Speaker 3 (17:55):
I mean that was very since they had fifty, but
we beat there for one. Okay, yeah, they beat a
singer game in New York. Yeah, it's gonna But I
thought the Knicks played well tonight. It was desperation.

Speaker 1 (18:06):
They didn't really have a choice in the matter but
to play well because if they.

Speaker 2 (18:09):
Don't win, their going home, and so at least, hey,
that's the rule of thumb.

Speaker 1 (18:13):
And it's like, look, give me to a Jaylen Brons
uprot and say, hey, guys, give me to a game six.
If you get me to a game six, I'll get
you to a game supper. But just get me to
a game six. And came along Miles Bridge. Og played
well defended. Now, I mean, look, Og hadn't shot the
ball well three or fourteen from the floor one of
seven from the field, but I think he's playing out
standing defense. He's doing a great job of bodying up,

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making it really really tough on Pascal.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
Pascal has his work cut out.

Speaker 1 (18:39):
Because he's got the Battle of Cat on one end,
all the while trying to get through Og on the
other end.

Speaker 2 (18:45):
So he's probably exhausted.

Speaker 1 (18:47):
At the end of the night. He probably sleeping like
a baby because that's they're asking them. They're asking them
awful lot, because Cat is no small task down on
the black block, and you see once Cat put his
head down, he's going through it.

Speaker 3 (19:00):
Every time they got bring another team, so gota. We'll
see what the just fer stay make for this next game.
It'll be interesting to see.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
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(19:30):
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Speaker 2 (19:54):
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Speaker 2 (20:01):
Yeah, I don't understand it at all.

Speaker 3 (20:03):
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Speaker 2 (20:08):
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Speaker 2 (20:27):
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Speaker 1 (20:27):
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Joe and you see all these games and the dealers
try to get you sit down. I said, now, y'all
to give me some money, I said, I deal with
your money with I don't know what the hell do
I'm doing. I damn sure, I ain't gambling with mine,
but I don't know what the hell I'm doing. Take
my ass to the black jacket table.

Speaker 2 (20:42):
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Speaker 3 (20:44):
I was talking about Bakka.

Speaker 1 (20:45):
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anything about that. So I'm not finished sitting down with
my money. And you mean to tell me you want
me to learn how to play a game with my money?

Speaker 4 (20:56):
Now listen, Now, if they want to if they really
want to get people in casino. I know, because knows
it's a place where everybody goes. But we're talking about
to get everybody in there. Put some guy that phase
where now.

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Speaker 2 (21:22):
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Speaker 3 (21:24):
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Speaker 1 (21:25):
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to hand, you going. You gotta go to a score.
You got to get to a number. They he.

Speaker 3 (21:42):
And money.

Speaker 2 (21:47):
And then who the house partner.

Speaker 3 (21:51):
Individual spaget.

Speaker 2 (21:54):
I like that.

Speaker 1 (21:55):
I like that, but but that's the but that's the thing,
and they won't they won't. You know, I think they
have think they can have up to seven at the table.
They want all seven. Hell, if I'm playing spade that
I got a partner. You gotta partner. That's it, that's
all we can play, right, So they want multiple players
that they want to try to get off as many hands
as they possibly can.

Speaker 2 (22:13):
So no, I don't I don't think. I don't think
that's happening.

Speaker 4 (22:16):
But I say, you know, who know who know is
a fast piece game, especially when you have players that
play fast and and.

Speaker 2 (22:23):
Not not wasting time. Can you imagine who at the
MGM rules.

Speaker 3 (22:29):
Everybody has you're gonna play, Yeah, cause you put the
draw for that, I'm putting draw four topics. I got one.

Speaker 6 (22:35):
Yeah, So that's the way I'm going players. So yeah,
they gotta have some set rules.

Speaker 3 (22:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (22:46):
And the thing you people like, no dagn the way
we play bro you in the casino. How you play
don't matter how it's out.

Speaker 5 (22:52):
Of work house rules.

Speaker 1 (22:55):
Yeah, Paul George says Tyreese Halliburton is the face of
the NBA. In my eyes, I think he's a superstar.
He's the face of the NBA. He's the number one
option and he sets up he sets up points furts uh.
He can be your late game score. He's been clutched

(23:16):
for former lading games. He can be an isolation player
and that's just not his calling. I want to see
him continue to do this, which I know he will.
Tyrese Halliburton is not the face of the NBA.

Speaker 2 (23:28):
And he's not.

Speaker 1 (23:30):
I get Paul George, that's the team that drafted you
and gave you an opportunity, but we're not finna do that.

Speaker 3 (23:36):
Yeah, I can't agree with you that one. He tried
to show some lotty, but that ain't ain't nobody.

Speaker 1 (23:41):
Ain't nobody think, ain't nobody think it's Tyrese Haliburton is
the face of the NBA.

Speaker 2 (23:46):
Is this funny how he goes.

Speaker 4 (23:47):
From overrateds and now the face of the NBA by
by certain individuals. And we had the conversation about him
being whether a superstar or a star, and I said
he was a star. But after that, after that, what
was the game Game three performance? After that game deep performance,
the ops, I'm added almost like, well wait a minute, now,
this is more than just a star, god damn superstar
based on that performance. But if he can continue to

(24:08):
play the way he always plays and do it consistently
year to year, then he's absolutely a start.

Speaker 2 (24:16):
He's a star.

Speaker 5 (24:16):
I say, he's a star. Yeah, he's a star. I
won't get a superstar.

Speaker 3 (24:20):
Saturday said, yeah, yeah, okay, it's just hard.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
It's just hard for a guy to be the face
without being able to be flashy. You see, like Magic
had to know look past he was a big guy.
Magic couldn't score. He was the past first guard. But
Magic had to smile. Magic had the no look past.
We had never seen anything like magic. We see Jordan
up over the top, we see doctor j could fly

(24:44):
through the air, we see Kobe, we see Lebron, we
see step I mean that's kind of the package that
you need to have that people like I don't know, Rio,
if somebody going down, like, hey man, the places come
to town, I gotta go see Toddy Reef tonight. I
don't know if doc the way face. I'm not talking
about Indiana fans. I'm talking about right right, you and Sacramento. Okay,

(25:08):
see and the Lakers come to town. You trying to
go see Braun, You try to go see stuff. You
want to go see Luca. I don't know ty Reeves Halliburt.
And this is not a knock.

Speaker 2 (25:19):
I'm not because I think he's a phenomenal player, and
I agree with you real I.

Speaker 1 (25:22):
Think he's a star, But I just don't think he
he he's what gets people to get out of the
house going to the parking, like, hey man, I got it.
I gotta come up one hundred dollars on you to
go to see TV ticket. Man, I gotta go see
Tyree's play tonight.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (25:36):
I don't view him as that when you put it.

Speaker 2 (25:39):
When you use that analogy like that, it makes much
more sense.

Speaker 4 (25:42):
It can be much more clear to the general public
on the difference between the star and the superstar.

Speaker 2 (25:47):
A superstar, you're paying your money even if they don't
got find We're gonna get it from somewhere. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (25:51):
I got to watch him play. Yes, And that goes
for any sport. They have football players, then you have stars.
He had your superstars. Hell, Jamar Chase coming into town.
I'm going to get me a ticket right with Mike playing,
He's coming coming out.

Speaker 1 (26:06):
Hell. Yeah, there's a difference and opposing team, opposing fans.

Speaker 2 (26:13):
Man.

Speaker 1 (26:13):
I gotta get down Lebron Jersey, I gotta go down
to death Curry Jersey. I gotta get X, Y and Z.
I just don't know if people are like that, like
that's not knocked so Chad, I don't want you think
I'm trying to knock the guy. But when you talk
about the face of the league, first of all, he
ain't been enough commercials, been enough commercials. I mean, if
you if you're just going by commercials, forget the big guns.

(26:37):
You gotta say Jason Tatum because Jayson Tatum, before he
got hurt, he was an every damn commercial.

Speaker 5 (26:42):
I would say, man, that's the that's the Yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
So ty Reese to be the face of the league.

Speaker 1 (26:49):
And I get what Paul George said, Paul George, I'm
sure he still has love with Indiana. You know, they
drafted him. He did a great job. He drug that
team to the to the finals. He's conference finals or
he was a phenomenal player. But to say ty Reese
is the face of the NBA and you still got
Steph and you still got Lebron in it, and you

(27:11):
at the face of the NBA.

Speaker 2 (27:13):
You ain't like twenty ninth, twenty fifth in Jersey sales,
you gotta be.

Speaker 1 (27:18):
You gotta be the top.

Speaker 3 (27:20):
Yeah, tip three for show. So yeah, I'll put you
on that one. I don't see so many people rocket
paces Jersey.

Speaker 7 (27:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:27):
And when And the thing is is that like when
people when they come to town, ain't nobody Like if
the Lakers come to town, I'm not so sure you
might not have mail Lakers as money Melaker fans or
Steph Curry comes to town. Yeah, that's that's when you
know where everywhere you go, it is sold out.

Speaker 3 (27:46):
Yeah, you know, I seen it firsthand. I was Lebron,
so I see the first hand. It's just everywhere being
sold out, from China to Oklahoma City. It's just like, wow,
are you that's crazy?

Speaker 1 (27:58):
The thunder punch their biggets to the NBA Finals in
the Wolf's home SGA. No surprise was Western Conference Magic Johnson,
player of the Magic Johnson m v p.

Speaker 2 (28:10):
Uh what did real? Let me ask you this because
we know the players.

Speaker 1 (28:15):
We're just talking about OKAC players, I mean, because nobody
realized that they originated from Seattle. And I'm sure don't
anybody remember a whole lot of the Seattle players. I
remember because I'm old enough to remember when they won
the championship, when they had Gus Johnson, and they had
Dennis Johnson, and they had Jack sick Man, that had
Marvin Marvin west the human Eraser. They had all those guys. Uh.

Speaker 2 (28:37):
What does sg A need to do to be the
thunder goat player all time?

Speaker 3 (28:47):
He got to win the championship. I think that's the
only thing that's missing, because he got KD, he got
Westbrook and them two Hall of famers in themselves, and
they've already won MVP championship and it was the reason
for them not winning that championship. So we'll see what
SCA could do versus the knicks of the Pacers. So

(29:07):
I think that was him win the championship, making the
greatest OKAC player. Not okay, see Seattle, but okay, see player.

Speaker 2 (29:15):
I agree with you.

Speaker 1 (29:16):
I think if he get because he was gonna have
something that they don't they didn't they don't have, which
is an NBA championship.

Speaker 2 (29:22):
And you talked about a guy that average thirty three
straight years.

Speaker 1 (29:25):
You're talking about the guy that's been an All NBA
player the last two with the last two years, I
think the last two years he's been an All NBA player.
Now he's an m v P, so he has the
m v P like kd at russ Chick. Obviously, Kad
would would have been the Western Conference Player of the Year.
So they didn't have it at the time, but Kad
would have won that award had they had it. Now

(29:46):
they go win the NBF, he's gonna get. He's gonna
be the finals MVP if they win, he's gonna be
the reason why they win. Yeah, right, Taylor, Yeah, Yeah,
But the thing is it doesn't matter without the thing
that I love byga, He's like a lot of the
a lot of the postseason. Real he's throwing his efficiency
out the winn. He said, I don't give a damble

(30:07):
by shooting fifty percent, because he'll go thirteen for thirty,
he'll go twelve or twenty eight. I don't give a damn.
I am going to be aggressive because I believe one
of three things are gonna happen. Either I'm gonna make
the shot, I'll miss the shot, or you'll fire me
and put me on the free throw line. But I
am not going to be passive and let you dictate
what I've been doing all year long. And I love

(30:29):
that about his game. I mean, obviously he can shoot
the three, but his many is top notch. You as
good as Ben Ray shooter as we have currently in
the NBA. And we know he can finish at the
rim and he's gonna draw files like a like a mug.

Speaker 2 (30:43):
So I agree with you. I agree with you real.

Speaker 1 (30:45):
I think if he wins the championship, I think he's
gonna be the thunder Okay, the thunder go, I think
so to. I'm with you on that one.

Speaker 2 (30:54):
I mean It only makes sense. It only makes sense
as good as Harden was, as good as Russ was,
as good as KD. What not? KD?

Speaker 3 (31:02):
He was there?

Speaker 1 (31:04):
Yeah, KD was there. But you got to realize Harden
was at six man so hardened. Now it's been interesting,
had hardened hard he was in Houston. I'm trying to
think what it was. How the hell was hard than
the six man back then? Because because he didn't have
to remember how we talked about sometimes the guy needs
his own team.

Speaker 2 (31:24):
How was he going to be that hardened with Russey KD?

Speaker 4 (31:29):
So basically he's he's basically what Harden went through is
basically what community is going through right now.

Speaker 2 (31:33):
Then got those kind of offensive skills.

Speaker 3 (31:38):
Now come on to la James was playing.

Speaker 5 (31:40):
He was actually like playing and gave minutes COMMU.

Speaker 1 (31:46):
Six man of the year the year y'all beat him? Real, real,
I don't get beat the line all. Look, I think
Harden was it has been a sixth man. I think
he was the sixth man of the year the year
y'all won.

Speaker 2 (32:01):
Now that's that's crazy, a a real What what year
was that hardened?

Speaker 3 (32:06):
Hardened?

Speaker 2 (32:07):
Rushing and Katie was together twelve that's a year ready
they lost it, but they would yet.

Speaker 1 (32:12):
Uh KD came in two thousand and seven, Russ was
two thousand and eight, was two thousand and nine, So nine, ten, eleven, twelve.
Damn because Rember that next year rial it came down.
They could have gave him that content for five or
million dollars. They let him go to Houston. They traded
himTo Houston, and then he comes out and I thought

(32:34):
he was good because I could you could watch him
in the fourth quarter because a lot of times they
would they were passing off to Harden and Harden would
do his thing. But ain't nobody to see this? Ain't
nobody's fault. What when he got to Houston and what
he was able to do?

Speaker 3 (32:48):
Not that different animal?

Speaker 1 (32:51):
I have a question.

Speaker 4 (32:52):
Yeah, now hardened to the sixth man. He came off
the bench. He couldn't do what he wanted to do
because he was with Katie and Russ. So why isn't
kaminga Why can't he be the same way if he
goes somewhere else and has his own team and has
the free will to shoot.

Speaker 2 (33:05):
Where he's gonna go.

Speaker 1 (33:07):
Oh, that doesn't happen because you gotta realize Houston didn't
have anybody.

Speaker 2 (33:12):
So where is Kaminga gonna go? What You're gonna send
him to?

Speaker 3 (33:18):
Yah James a point guard too, so he can he
also handle the ball. Commingia can't do that. Comming can't
run your team.

Speaker 1 (33:25):
Right right right, So he's gonna have the ball. He's
gonna be, He's gonna be. Harden was high high in
usage Drake.

Speaker 3 (33:31):
Because he had the whole game every time, right right right.

Speaker 1 (33:35):
Kaminga needs someone to get in the ball, and then
he's not gonna be able to initiate anybody else's office.
He's not gonna initiate your offense. So now he's at
a decided disadvantage. Guy that can help, why you think Luca,
because Lucas can handle the ball. Yo, he can handle
the ball. Lebron, he can handle the ball. Guys that
can handle the ball is a lot easier. Because I

(33:57):
got the damn ball, I don't need you.

Speaker 3 (33:59):
To get to it. I got you get out the way.
I can do everything else.

Speaker 1 (34:05):
That's one of the reasons why bigs don't get the
credit that they deserve. Because magic need Oscar and Magic
needed to get Kareem the ball. Kuzy needed to get
the ball to Russell, Derek Fisher and Kobe needed to
get the ball to Shot. So that big that's what
you never see. Bigs voted his goal. No matter what
I mean, Will got all the records. They nobody go

(34:26):
ever touch Wilk's record. Those rebounds. The game that Will
scored seventy eight, he had forty three rebounds. The hell
scorched seven eight points. They and have forty four, forty
three rebounds in the game. Who's gonna have fifty five
rebounds in the game. Who's gonna add the twenty seven
rebounds for a season?

Speaker 3 (34:42):
Mother?

Speaker 1 (34:42):
Can't he average guy can't even average twenty seven points
the game. Let us all rebounds and you get one rebound,
so at least you can get like a two point
shot or the one that's three. He ain't getting a
rebu found Get averaging twenty seven for a season, average

(35:05):
twenty five for a season, every twenty three for the man,
average twenty four rebounds for a career.

Speaker 5 (35:11):
Everything missing that many shots now days for him, get
twenty They were terrible.

Speaker 3 (35:15):
That ain't gonna happen.

Speaker 1 (35:17):
You're right, I don't even know. Hold on, because one
game he had fifty five rebounds of the game. I'm
just looking at I'm just looking at the game tonight.
There was forty five. There were eighty five rebounds. So
between the two teams. Uh, the Knicks had forty five rebounds,
the Pacers had forty rebounds.

Speaker 2 (35:36):
Will Was had fifty five in the game.

Speaker 3 (35:38):
I'm not rolling with that one. He's not getting all
the rebounds nowadays.

Speaker 5 (35:42):
He was a great athlete, but he not getting fifty
three nine average of twenty seven.

Speaker 2 (35:46):
Oh missing that many shots.

Speaker 1 (35:50):
I mean he would literally have to get all the
defensive rebounds to still get a few on the offensive.
So he had to get both really oh yeah, back then,
but they was missing a ton of shots. I mean,
get a field goal percentage. Back then, when they were shooting,
they weren't.

Speaker 3 (36:02):
Missing a ton of shop. To get his own rebail,
that's what he's doing.

Speaker 7 (36:06):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (36:07):
But I there's there's nothing really not the love about
the SGA's game. You see the you see the progress
that he's made. I think his first year there, I
think he averaged like nineteen, and then it was a
incremently he twenty three, and then twenty this and then
thirty and then thirty and then thirty and he said
it when he signed that long term deal. He's like, yeah,
I turned, I signed the long term deal and uh,

(36:29):
he said, but I don't see us losing much longer.

Speaker 3 (36:31):
Yeah, he got great patience. I think that's the beast
thing part of his game. Can get to that man range,
then you get to the spot he just wait, wait, wait, wait,
and then he get to what he want to do.
I think that's the biggest part of his game. That's
separating him from a lot of other players.

Speaker 1 (36:44):
And that smatch he got. He's got as good as
snatch as anybody. He got to be as good as
snatch as anybody, and he gonna get that. He gonna
get that elbow, your chance and get some separation.

Speaker 3 (36:55):
Mm hmmm. Yeah, he definitely pushed off a lot because
when he does, getting some boys or push it offs.

Speaker 1 (37:03):
On the latest episode of the Pat Bell Podcast, Pat
Beverly recall how SGA chose not to embrace him for
wearing ad Man jersey while attending Game four in the
Western Conference Final. Beverly had nothing but praise for the
newly crowned league's MVP shortness killer instinct, which is something
he said is needed for the postseason. I got Sha
after the game and I dapped him up and he said,
I ain't gonna lie. I can't adapt you up right now.

Speaker 4 (37:24):
O G.

Speaker 2 (37:25):
You got that Mobo jersey.

Speaker 1 (37:27):
The jersey I had over after the edwards and I say, oh, yeah,
he's a killer. That's the mindset that you have to have.
Don't don't even come up in here in the jersey
type ish. I respect it. I like it. That's how
you have to be. I knew where it was coming from.
It's coming from a good place. It's coming from an
organic place. And he's locked in. And that's what I
took from that, like, oh yeah, he locked the FN

(37:49):
right now.

Speaker 2 (37:49):
I love it. I like it.

Speaker 3 (37:55):
I like it.

Speaker 1 (37:56):
Nah Bro, I get it. I stand you in that
building and you played for him, you played with But
nah Bro, you the enemy. That's the enemy jersey right now.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
I got.

Speaker 1 (38:08):
I got the utmost respect for you. Nah bro, you
have you? Have you ever catch me? Were you out
without that jersey? And I and I ain't even kill
Mode because right now I'll be killed Mode. I respect
it and seen it starting a little rival between them,
so yeah, I like yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
And plus you remember who was a man talking to
Was he talking to Steven A?

Speaker 6 (38:30):
Well?

Speaker 2 (38:30):
Who is he talking to? What he said he was
better than shape.

Speaker 5 (38:34):
Obama?

Speaker 7 (38:35):
No?

Speaker 2 (38:36):
Nah, I think I think somebody posed that question to it. Okay,
can you put that up? Look for that, look for
that quote.

Speaker 1 (38:42):
But here, hell, Lisa, he's but I guess what who
else heard? If I heard him say that and other
people heard him saying, who else heard.

Speaker 3 (38:54):
Him say that?

Speaker 2 (38:54):
Real?

Speaker 1 (38:56):
Okay, So that's that's where it's the from.

Speaker 3 (38:58):
It's like, all right, yeah, he take he better than me?

Speaker 1 (39:01):
And maybe rio o Cho if you had another jersey on,
maybe it's cool, maybe I let it slide, but I
ain't using you in front of all these people, and
you got his jerseyond Oh No, I mean yeah, I

(39:22):
mean it's a it's a different less and it's I
get it because a lot of these guys played aau
together on the same team, or they played against a
a lot of these guys real and you know this
coming up in that circuit. These guys have been playing together,
playing against each other, playing together since there was seven, eight, nine,
ten years old. So the animosity that Bird and Magic

(39:43):
or Jordan and Isaiah and these guys had that wasn't
none of that. The first time you saw the guy
probably was at the McDonald's All American Game, or you
played against MOFO in college. But the player like in
nineteen eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, that ain't that.

Speaker 3 (39:59):
Ain't that didn't happen back then? You know, I wasn't
that many camps for them. You would see them at
five star camper Air or something like that. That's what right,
everybody will seeing each other and go against each other,
and that's vattling for rankings. So we ain't trying to
be cool. We try to say who better play exactly.

Speaker 1 (40:14):
But now you see like guys actually playing with each other,
playing on the same team. Like who I mean, I'm thinking, oh,
John and in Zion, what I'm saying, you team and.

Speaker 3 (40:26):
They play together.

Speaker 1 (40:27):
Yeah, you had a lot You have a lot of
You have a lot of guys like that. A guy
that go to Mount i MG or Mount Verde or
Oak Hill and so you the guy that grew up
playing each other and you're like, oh, you go to
another team. We spoke, bro, Bro, you rolled the back
of my mom station wagon, you at my house.

Speaker 3 (40:49):
That's where the family started getting fall.

Speaker 5 (40:50):
They feel a little bit different, like you just the
other day, like, come on, bro, stop it, Bro, I.

Speaker 1 (40:57):
Can't hate you. We don't stopped by the fan food. Jordan,
we even yo, we ain't we even buff phase together.
It was different back then, like you said, Rial, you
saw somebody at a five star camp Baallet for Rankins,
or at the McDonald's All American Game, or you played
against him in college, because you know back then you playing,
you going to college two years, three years, two.

Speaker 3 (41:18):
Three years, You're definite gonna see him couple of times.
Especially we got the same conference.

Speaker 1 (41:22):
Now she's got them been playing. They don't by the
time they by the time they get to the NBA,
they don't played against each other twenty times. Yeah, and
so it's a it's a it's a different mindset now.
But I just wish. What I do wish is that
they would do this jersey swap off camera. That's the
only thing I wish they Football, NFL, O show, NBA

(41:44):
do the jersey swap off camera. Why why cos Murra
stop it and you want everybody jersey?

Speaker 2 (41:52):
Damn.

Speaker 1 (41:52):
It used to it used to mean something on Joe
when you went to the Pro Bowl and swamped jerseys.
You didn't just swapped jersey with some random.

Speaker 2 (42:01):
It was the best of the past. But I mean
maybe not not really.

Speaker 4 (42:06):
I mean, listen, I'm not sure I understand how you feel.
But obviously my love and passion for soccer. After games,
you you swap jerseys with players that you like or
you enjoy their games because you want to collect it.

Speaker 2 (42:20):
It is possible.

Speaker 5 (42:21):
No, But okay, I mean, is he everybody's a little
bit differently.

Speaker 2 (42:28):
Oh, this new wave they give it.

Speaker 1 (42:30):
I mean, Jugger got together, especially got a different house
because he all the jersey got he got. He got
a whole team of jerseys. By the time he's done,
he got fifty jerseys. He got every quarter he got
every quarterback jersey, at least the top fifteen, the top
fifteen receivers, top fifteen running backs, top fifteen edge rusher's,

(42:52):
top fifteen corners.

Speaker 2 (42:53):
Ain't got a kicking the part of throwing it that
for good measure?

Speaker 3 (42:56):
What damn? He got a whole little team. You gotta
make sure he right.

Speaker 1 (43:04):
I'm trying to think I'm the only person that I
swisch jerseys with Ray and I we we exchanged jerseys.

Speaker 2 (43:10):
But that was it.

Speaker 1 (43:11):
And at the Pro Bowl Pro Bowl, you exchange jersey
or you exchange him and stuff like that. But now,
oh Joe, it seemed like at least fifteen guys per
game change in jerseys. Hey, you know, first of all,
I ain't paying no five on the dollars. Cut them
jerseys five on the dollars. Now, who got to pay?

Speaker 2 (43:32):
Find it out?

Speaker 7 (43:33):
You do?

Speaker 5 (43:34):
The players NBA, you gotta pay five hundred.

Speaker 2 (43:38):
I mean the money they make it today. They don't care.
Nobody that five dollars. They don't care by dad, of
course not ye.

Speaker 1 (43:47):
No, Bro's I mean, look, I got I got a
couple of pair of time shoes. Like, hey, Bro, I
know you know I got to get those. So I
get you after the game. Uh, Chris, I got a
who I get Chris Carter?

Speaker 2 (44:02):
I got Jared.

Speaker 1 (44:03):
I got a pair of Jerry's glove. I got a
pair of Chris Carter's gloves. Hey, man, hey, I get you.
I'll get you. I'll get you to tone, I'll get
you in the locker room. Okay, hey, hold on, you
got some prime shoes? He war like in the NFL
who he was with.

Speaker 2 (44:17):
The Cowboys and in Washington.

Speaker 3 (44:20):
You want to see me Now, I got some broad
shoes with the trade. What you want to do?

Speaker 2 (44:32):
You talk?

Speaker 5 (44:33):
Yeah, I got some broad sign championship shoes.

Speaker 3 (44:36):
What you want to do?

Speaker 2 (44:38):
Oh you want? I got the ball?

Speaker 1 (44:40):
What you want?

Speaker 2 (44:40):
Do you want the cowboy?

Speaker 3 (44:41):
What you want?

Speaker 2 (44:44):
Washington just told me you ain't got you ain't got none.
The trade.

Speaker 3 (44:49):
You ain't got none the trade.

Speaker 5 (44:50):
You ain't got his favorite NBA player.

Speaker 3 (44:52):
That's that's what you got.

Speaker 1 (44:53):
Hey, I got figure.

Speaker 2 (44:58):
How are you gonna give me my You gonna keep
my own money?

Speaker 3 (45:04):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (45:04):
You're watching the fan.

Speaker 3 (45:06):
No, I just I don't like the Cowboys, so I
wanted something to the Cowboys when ma'd a Cowboys fan,
So I don't want him try to take them for me.

Speaker 2 (45:21):
After that, Edwards planned to work his butt off this summer.

Speaker 1 (45:24):
In the wake of the second second straight Western Conference
Finals defeat, nobody's gonna work harder than me this summer,
I tell you that much, he told reporters. I don't
know why people think it would be hurt. It would hurt,
It's exciting for me. I'm twenty three. I get to
do it a whole bunch of times. I'm hurt more
so for for Mike. I came up short.

Speaker 2 (45:42):
For Mike.

Speaker 1 (45:43):
We tried last year, couldn't get it. We tried again
this year. We'll try again next year. But the hurt
is the terrible word to use. I'm good real, what's
your what's your take on this? I agree with that
he's still.

Speaker 3 (45:55):
Young, being only twenty three, at least ten more years
to try to win a Championshi, and you know, like
you said, your dedication and getting better. He knows what
it takes for him to get better, what he needs
to go work on. So it's gonna be interesting to
see how much work he actually puts in here, seeing
what he works on.

Speaker 4 (46:12):
Oh joke, I mean, the sky is a limit for him.
I think one of the two to of the owner
players that are gonna continue to improve and as send
year in year out, you're gonna see that game elevate.
To me is Aunt and the SGA. I think they're
going to continue to go at it each year over
and over. And I think a man is gonna always
be in his position and he's gonna get over the hump.

(46:33):
He's gonna get over that obstacle soon, sooner than later.

Speaker 1 (46:38):
But he makes he make it seem like Luca thirty
He make it seem like sg A thirty five. Does
he realize what's in the Western Conference? I mean, has
that has that even dawned on it?

Speaker 3 (46:49):
You don't care? Yeah, you already beat Luca.

Speaker 1 (46:52):
I mean, oh no, he beat he beat No, Luca
fit him home last year. Remember now I'm looking at Luca.
If I'm looking at Luca, if what they showed not
a I generated, Luca looked like he had pretty good shape.
Now I'm not really concerned right now. I need Luca
in this kind of shape in October, not in May,

(47:12):
because there ain't no basketball going on in May. If
Luca shows up this year looking like what we saw
the other night at that uh what was that real
Madrid game, I'm like, okay, I'm okay. But and plus
you got to think about it, guys. I mean the
league is getting tougher. I mean those days where you, hey,

(47:33):
somebody might run off a three beat. I don't believe
no three peces any time soon. Real I'm with you
on that.

Speaker 3 (47:39):
Well, I don't think that's gonna happen for like least
five ten years.

Speaker 1 (47:44):
Leagueas did day because it's spread out it's hard to
keep these team together because team's gonna break him up
because they don't want to go in there. Man, they
win it, bro, I don't care how much I'm winning.
I'm not trying to get a four hundred million and
pace salary.

Speaker 2 (47:58):
I'm paying. I'm paying.

Speaker 1 (47:59):
I got two three guys tied up, but I got
six hundred million tied up in two or three guys.
And then you want me to play four hundred million
dollars on top of that if I go, if I'm
a repeater in that second oh hey no.

Speaker 3 (48:11):
And they constantcute them teams together now and they and
they want.

Speaker 1 (48:16):
To make it so cost prohibited that you wouldn't even
think about putting one again. That's why watch watch Boston,
see what they're gonna do. They can't keep it together
because j T not gonna play next year. So basically
you want, you want to be in that second tier
apron and with no chance of winning because he's not playing. Yeah,

(48:40):
he's not playing. He's not playing till the start of
the twenty sixth season. Yeah all right, So I definitely
see what changed his name. That's gonna be interested to see.
Definitely interesting to see Okay, who's the two seed? The
one seed? What's the the two sequel to the Rockets?

(49:02):
The Rockets go? You know, I can see the Rockets
making them play for k D. I can see them
making the play for Gianni's.

Speaker 3 (49:10):
Hum could even rather go get Yo, Janni or KD
with that team.

Speaker 2 (49:20):
I already told you where Yanna's going. I don't know
whether we continued to bring this conversation up.

Speaker 3 (49:25):
Don't say in Miami.

Speaker 2 (49:27):
That's what said? He going to Miami?

Speaker 1 (49:29):
Hey, Rio, before you go, Rio, can you explain the
ojo how everybody can't play for Pat.

Speaker 3 (49:37):
Everybody can't playing in in in Miami. Lie, but everybody
can't play from Pat. But I can see Yanni's coming
to Miami. But I don't think he will. I think
I think he stays in off he moves. I think
he stays.

Speaker 8 (49:53):
You you're not gonna be a beginning, get no help
for it, because huh, you't gonna better get somebody.

Speaker 3 (50:02):
I don't know who they're gonna They're gonna figure out something.

Speaker 2 (50:04):
They gotta be hold on. Huh that hurt twenty six.

Speaker 3 (50:13):
I don't know who they're gonna do.

Speaker 2 (50:14):
Maybe, uh, nobody that's gonna make a difference. It's still
gonna be a first round exit.

Speaker 3 (50:19):
Oh yeah, that ain't gonna happen. He ain't gonna win.
Know where he goes, that ain't gonna happen. Even you
go to Miami, he's not gonna win there.

Speaker 2 (50:26):
What if he go to what about Golden State?

Speaker 3 (50:30):
Are you keeping Jimmy? You get rid of Jimmy?

Speaker 1 (50:33):
I think you're gonna have to get Yeah, no, where
you can keep him step and Jimmy and Draymond because
Draymond's doing an extension because Draymond was all the first team,
all defense. So he's doing for matt and twenty five
thirty million for him. It's not over the top.

Speaker 3 (50:51):
But if you do that, you get rid of Jimmy.
That takes away all your all, your offense, all what
Golden State is longing for, from the Slash Brothers to
the shoe And there's no more shoes there. So now,
what are we scared to go to states for? We
just put everybody on the stairs. Hey, y'all got to
shoot too. While we still shooting one hundred, put.

Speaker 1 (51:07):
Everybody on steff and Joan is putting his head down
and he's gonna get thirty thirteen and six a night.

Speaker 5 (51:11):
Okay, we're gonna come down. Shoot sixty three is who's
gonna win?

Speaker 2 (51:17):
I like them. I mean, look, I'm trying to Could
he go to Houston? I like Houston. I like you
with Houston.

Speaker 3 (51:23):
I like Houston too. I definitely like Houston. I think
that i'd be his best. Better be at Houston, or
I can say Miami. I'm not gonna disagree. Yeah, and
Bamm Hero, that'd be. That'd be a hell of a team.

Speaker 1 (51:45):
At your question, are you are you selling him Brick?
I mean, what do you trade Brickle? You are trading
South Beach? What the hell you traded for him? Because
I don't want those pieces that that's not Bam and
that's not Tyler.

Speaker 2 (51:57):
He wrote, you need to tell me what the hell
you trading for it?

Speaker 5 (52:00):
He don't want a discreundal superstar. I can leave in
free agency either.

Speaker 1 (52:04):
All right, how many more years Johanna's got two? Hey,
what'd you say? They trained britout something?

Speaker 3 (52:15):
Rock the Fire, Blue gotta go over some part of Miam.
I gotta go.

Speaker 1 (52:21):
When you look at it real, the only two assets
that that somebody really want is Bam and Tyler. Yeah,
that was that was funny.

Speaker 3 (52:29):
Okay, that was funny, But you don't want a disgrendled superstar.
I see honest.

Speaker 2 (52:34):
First of all, I.

Speaker 1 (52:35):
Got this man right for the next two years. He
had a player option twenty seven, twenty eight, so I
got it for two years. I'm not giving him away.
You know, sometimes Rial I'll be boun I want to
sell something, but I'm not looking. I know the value
of this car. Man, Man, you ain't even driving it.
Don't worry about it. I'm driving right back in the garage,
y'all back to night so your punk ass can see it.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
Now.

Speaker 1 (52:56):
If you're not gonna give me what I want for,
I'll be driving right back into the garage and you
get your ass my yard.

Speaker 3 (53:00):
And they's gonna wait to the talent. They ain't gonna
be back, and they go, he don't have no help.
You adna't got rid of his brother, Dame Hurt, Christ Hurt, so.

Speaker 1 (53:08):
We weren't gonna pay him now. He helped we bringing back.

Speaker 3 (53:12):
All right, good luck with that. Let's see how long
that last.

Speaker 1 (53:17):
We're gonna We're gonna, we're gonna bring it back. We're
gonna bring it back. So uh uh yeah, it's just
for me. I'm looking at the places where he can
go rio that have the assets. Brooklyn has the assets.
As far as draft picks, they don't have any young
talent that I think Milwaukee would want. Okay, see, got

(53:39):
the draft picks and they got the talent, But I
don't think Sam Preston's gonna want to mess his MESSI
his core up with either one of them. Houston have
the talent and the draft picks. The question is, and
that's for Gianni's or k D. Because you got Shungoon,
who's an All NBA selection. Uh, he's an All Star.

(54:00):
I'm not getting I'm not letting them in. Thompson go
Jabari from JR. Okay draft here, Okay, yeah.

Speaker 3 (54:14):
Who else?

Speaker 2 (54:14):
Figure Brooks they got, they got Smith, they got Thompson.

Speaker 3 (54:26):
That's what I said.

Speaker 1 (54:26):
Jagree, Yes, yes, yes, yes, for k D or Johannis, Yes,
I would, I would practice Jalen Green, I.

Speaker 5 (54:33):
Can see that apter because you still build around what.

Speaker 1 (54:36):
You got and you still got k D. I'm keeping.
I gotta keep van Fleet for the civil fight. I
need I need a point guard.

Speaker 3 (54:45):
Now you go live, I'm k D. I'm going like, Okay, see.

Speaker 1 (54:48):
I don't think. I don't think saying first of all,
I don't know. I don't know the relationship with and
k k D. What you hear is that Sam was
more favorable towards Russ than KD. I don't know if
there's any truth to that, but you know you hear
uh he left and I'm not I'm not missing up

(55:10):
my core.

Speaker 3 (55:10):
I'm not.

Speaker 2 (55:11):
I'm not. I'm not real.

Speaker 3 (55:13):
I think Russ is back there just because on us
some free agency stuff. So I definitely see Russ being
back in OKAC for next year, especially.

Speaker 2 (55:22):
About you talking about you talking about KD go back.

Speaker 3 (55:25):
No, I know what I'm talking about KD, but I'm
saying I definitely see Russ going back. When he brought
up rust and saying press, I definitely see him going back.
But if I'm KD, I would look at the OKC situation.
If I'm Pressy, I don't think I would take it.
But if I'm KD, I'm like, yeah, I just go.
There be spot nobody to go to the state. They
don't have it.

Speaker 7 (55:43):
Though they don't have you don't think he he is, Steph,
Who are you gonna get rid of it? Jimmy, Yeah,
I would get get rid of Jimmy for KD. I'm
running at it back with Jimmy just because Jimmy brings
a lot all around to the game and it makes
it easier for Steph. And in that aspect, you have
to create more shots for KD.

Speaker 3 (56:05):
You but he don't need So it's gonna be's gonna
be the person to create a shot, create a shot
for him or k going one on one at thirty five,
thirty six years old, be good?

Speaker 2 (56:15):
Uh, y'all go because they still worried about Steph.

Speaker 3 (56:20):
And Draymond.

Speaker 1 (56:21):
Hey, Draymond gonna be fine, they'd be good. I keep
coming now now, but don't. I don't know if you
can keep Comingica, because somebody's gonna want to go and want.

Speaker 3 (56:28):
Communic Kaminga gone, Kamena not messing with court in morning
so far he comnia might be down here southeast. The
ball he already he already had the backed up the
department in the locker room and everything. He out of there.

Speaker 5 (56:43):
He didn't think you about going state.

Speaker 1 (56:45):
It was kind of like we used to do real
we once we realized we wasn't making the playoffs. Man
last last week or so, I was living in a.

Speaker 3 (56:51):
Hotel, start packing it, a little bit of looking as.

Speaker 2 (56:55):
To be playing extra month. Now we're good. I live,
I live, I live weak the week in hotel.

Speaker 3 (57:03):
Extra six months, six eight one deal. No, I'm cool.

Speaker 1 (57:08):
So if you had, if you had the handicap, where
do you think, Kate, Where do you think Katie ends up?

Speaker 2 (57:14):
What do you what do you think Giannis ends up?

Speaker 3 (57:24):
Kadi? I think he goes to Houston, Johannis. I think
Yanna stays on the East Coach. I think Yanna stay somewhere.
I'm Miami. Yeah, maybe in New York. Maybe the Nicks
Brooklyn would be tough, just because they would have to
rebuild everything around him. They don't really have the team

(57:46):
to win now.

Speaker 1 (57:48):
They got the draft picks, they just don't have They
just he works out, he might Samuel Walker, if you're
thinking about.

Speaker 3 (57:54):
Brooklyn, yeah, exactly. But I can see him going to
the Knicks. He end up over there.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
Wow, what on what you're gonna So you're gonna let
what You're gonna let go, You're gonna let cat go,
You're gonna let o g go?

Speaker 2 (58:06):
I mean what you letting go?

Speaker 1 (58:08):
For you?

Speaker 3 (58:08):
Honas, I'm glad O g go Michael Bridges, Mitchel Ropperson, Uh,
who else anybody?

Speaker 1 (58:17):
You ain't got no draft picks because you gave up
four draft picks to get Michel Bridges, so you ain't
got the draft capital.

Speaker 2 (58:23):
Oh you got sas.

Speaker 5 (58:25):
That's okay. We'll give them four players. We'll be alright.

Speaker 3 (58:27):
Three of them, four players will get you.

Speaker 2 (58:30):
You just gutted your depth, That's okay.

Speaker 3 (58:33):
We're trying to win. Now for Gianna's bruns a cat,
that's a that's a hell of the big three. That's
a that's a big line up behind Brunson. And now
you ain't gotta do is find some shooters, some knockdown shooters.
You go get what is like, you're gonna get a
person like Cam Johnson. Maybe find something, find some way,
will find somebody that that's a Duncan Robinson, maybe somebody

(58:54):
that's out there that can just help spread the floor.
That's all you need when you got those three guys,
because your offen is gonna go through it.

Speaker 1 (59:01):
Well, considering that a cat would like to be at
the three point line, they don't have to worry about it,
So yeah, he'll be fine with that.

Speaker 2 (59:08):
John is gonna need that space.

Speaker 3 (59:09):
Y that space to get down here, or for Gianna's
in the post and then let him work to work
through the post.

Speaker 1 (59:15):
Arege, are you afraid because you know what, the Bronson
has a very high usage, Jannis has a usage.

Speaker 2 (59:22):
Are you concerned that the.

Speaker 1 (59:24):
Yannis needs the ball Brunton needs the ball both or
most effective when they have the ball in their hands.

Speaker 3 (59:30):
No, I feel like they can work that out. They
can figure that out because it's just them too. There's
nobody else really handling the ball. Cat don't need to
handle the ball. He just need to cancer his sweet spot.
So now when bruston taking his break, you got Gianni's
handling the ball. When Giannis is taking his break, you
got brust And handling the ball. Now when it comes
to the fourth quarter, the first time I got both
of them. John is getting the rebound, pushing it, Brusting

(59:50):
goes spot up, Brust to get the rebound. Gianna's taking
down or he's in the paint. Now you got three
or four people help him. Brust and pulling up for three.
So it's way is the figure it out. It's just
like Lebron and d Wade played together. It's way used
to figure out when you got two ball handlers and
then just the two ball handlers.

Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
Real making sound so simple, Duniel's dunel ojos simple.

Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
I tried to listen. I tried to It's not simple
because you got, you got. It's all about.

Speaker 8 (01:00:23):
He just explained it to you. He just he gave
you a few examples of people that have done it
in the past. You know, but but you but you
didn't hear what he said. He says, it's all about
buying in, and it's a lot easier. Said, you know,
I could do it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
I could do it. What the players were talking about.
We talked about Jayalen Brust and we got to talk
about Yianni's two players that are going to buy in.

Speaker 1 (01:00:43):
Okay, everybody, I remember everybody saying, it don't matter what
I do with the Olympic team long as we bring
the gold medal. Now we've had two guys to come
out and say they was upset about what the playing
time right the biden in that you just said, buying
these it's completely different.

Speaker 2 (01:00:57):
This is complete, Mason, because it's all.

Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
Only two players. It's only two two players.

Speaker 3 (01:01:05):
One of the reason that was starting Jason had a
reason just because of the scene in the head just
came off of so I understand his complaint, But at
the same time, he wasn't better than nobody playing in
front of him.

Speaker 1 (01:01:17):
Hey, he said, I was better at the holiday and
Derrick White that WU was playing in front of me.

Speaker 3 (01:01:21):
But you don't bring what they brought to the game.
I needed to score. Wei'll need you to score.

Speaker 2 (01:01:25):
We need to play defense.

Speaker 3 (01:01:27):
I would have, you would have what I won't do.

Speaker 1 (01:01:31):
I'm telling you, I'm trying to buy in.

Speaker 2 (01:01:33):
I'm gonna buy here.

Speaker 3 (01:01:33):
I'm buying in the coach that told you what you
wouldn't do, all of them? All of them.

Speaker 1 (01:01:44):
Hey, it is, but it's a lot. He's just said it,
doub We just see a lot of guys on your man.
I just want to win.

Speaker 2 (01:01:50):
No, you want to win and get your thirty. You
want to win and get your eight for what fifty
two touchdown?

Speaker 3 (01:01:55):
That's the way you want to win, and you want
to win your way.

Speaker 1 (01:01:59):
Johannis is now more First Team All NBA selections than
Kevin Durant. Yannis has seven, KD has six. What more
does Yannis need to do to pass KD all time?

Speaker 3 (01:02:12):
Damn, I don't think it's possible. Really, I don't think
it's possible, just because I look at Kat's skill set
and like, there's nobody gonna be a skill set as
KDS where the ball handling, better to shoot the ball,
better get to the spots he's gonna get to. I
don't think there's gonna be another Greek freak either, But

(01:02:35):
Jannis is the Office of Game is not polishing enough
like Kd's for him to be.

Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
So you just look at aesthetically.

Speaker 3 (01:02:42):
I'm just looking at that. When I look at somebody,
I say, who's better than somebody I look at I
put him in a one on one matchup and see
who would dominate? Now one on one match up to
the game to five, and I think KD will get you,
honest five four or five three? Maybe I just got
them figured just offerously better.

Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
Wow, what happened if Yonny he gets the ball first?

Speaker 3 (01:03:02):
Same thing? I think Kat still figured out how way
I think KDE gets the stop one on one with
ya because Giannice is all down here. Now we're playing three.

Speaker 5 (01:03:12):
That if we're playing three or four dribbles hill.

Speaker 2 (01:03:15):
Okay, okay, we play different.

Speaker 3 (01:03:17):
You gotta rus now, yeah, William D players play We
played one on one, three or four dribbles max.

Speaker 5 (01:03:23):
Okay, in that type of sety, I'm not taking Gianni's
over k D.

Speaker 3 (01:03:27):
I'm not saying too many people over KD in that
type of setting.

Speaker 2 (01:03:31):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:03:32):
H Johnny's has five First Team All Defensive for first
team KT has none. KD has does have two finals
m v P Johannis has one.

Speaker 2 (01:03:45):
It's huh.

Speaker 1 (01:03:48):
No, Yeah, Johnny's has two regular season m v ps.
KDE has one. That's gonna be very that's gonna be
very interesting. That's gonna be very interesting.

Speaker 7 (01:03:58):
Career.

Speaker 3 (01:03:59):
Yeah, you don't have a hell of a career like
that's that's the thing. But it's still you're not better
than KD.

Speaker 1 (01:04:06):
I think I think, you know what, I think a
lot of that has to do with aesthetically, because we
like guys that can handle the ball.

Speaker 2 (01:04:13):
Shoe flashy.

Speaker 1 (01:04:15):
I mean, there's nothing like really Yahni's game is really
like old school, like, you know, just trying to get
down he'll post. I mean he's still I mean, you know,
he three point, doesn't shoot that well. He ain't really
got no miny Rangers post. It's not great. He's basically
getting downhill, laying the ball up, you file it, or
he's spinning dump the ball. That's it, right, It's still

(01:04:37):
hard to stop because he's averaging thirty shoes sixty percent
from the damn floor.

Speaker 2 (01:04:41):
So it's still hard to stop. It's not free.

Speaker 1 (01:04:44):
Yes, it's just not as pleasing to the eye, is
what we watch KD do.

Speaker 4 (01:04:50):
And you're comparing two different players and two different skill
sets altogether, and at that point, regardless of accolades and
what they accompliss on their resid it depends on It's
all on preference at that point.

Speaker 2 (01:05:02):
Yeah, I'll see that. I see that.

Speaker 1 (01:05:06):
It's uh, it's but who's impact who's impacted the game more?

Speaker 3 (01:05:17):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:05:17):
Ship, that's damn did the same almost?

Speaker 3 (01:05:19):
Huh. Yeah, I think.

Speaker 5 (01:05:23):
That's a tough one right there.

Speaker 2 (01:05:25):
Because let me ask you this.

Speaker 1 (01:05:26):
If I take if I take KD out and put
Giannis in there with Clay Stephen Draymond, do you still
believe they win the NBA Championship?

Speaker 3 (01:05:45):
Yeah? Yeah, I don't think about the score of the
aspect for yeah, I still give it to him because
then that way you take and your dollar doesn't have
to guard Brown by himself. Now you got two or
three bodies that can guard Brown, and that's gonna be
a little bit different. So yeah, I still give it
to go to the state.

Speaker 1 (01:06:02):
Now, if I take KD and I put him on
Milwaukee the year they wanted the wire, they wanted to
beat Phoenix, you think they still win the championship with
KD and Giannis out.

Speaker 3 (01:06:13):
I mean, they barely got past Brooklyn, So I don't
get there. I think so. I definitely think so KD.
If he's just step on that line, Milwaukee don't win
that championship.

Speaker 1 (01:06:27):
That's that's gonna be a when it's all said done,
that's gonna be a very interesting conversation. That's gonna be
a very very interesting conversation to have because they are
so diametrically different hing nothing about one's game reminds you
of the other. One is as you said, Rio is
one of the most skilled players, one of the five

(01:06:49):
most skilled players that we've probably ever seen, with the size,
being seven foot tall, being able to handle the ball,
he could shoot the three. He can got, he got
the mini, he got the heavy. Uh, he can fit
get to the rim, he can fit free throws. He's
an eighty eight eighty nine percent free throw So he's
he's as good as skilled. Because guys that side, they

(01:07:12):
normally play center. They played with it back to the
basketb We ain't see no guy you and Dirk could
shoot the ball. Dirk was not putting it on the ball,
going between his legs, going betwe hind his back, doing
what Kd's doing.

Speaker 3 (01:07:22):
He just wasn't doing this.

Speaker 1 (01:07:26):
I mean Dirk had that Dirk patted that that one
leg step back he's shooting. It's gonna draw rain. But
a skilled I don't know if you're ever gonna see
a guy at his size and skilled as KD his
ability because just for his ability to shoot the ball, right,

(01:07:47):
I'm show that one

Speaker 3 (01:07:49):
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