January 21, 2025 • 61 mins
Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to Ohio State defeating Notre Dame in the College football National Championship. Later, Unc & Ocho interview DaMichael Jenkins and his wife to share their story after being racially profiled in viral video outside their Ohio home.
03:19 - Introduction
06:15 - OSU v ND
30:00 - DaMichael Jenkins joins
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twenty five National Championship thirty four to twenty three.
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We have a very special guest joining us tonight is
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We showed you the video last night. He was kind
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So thank him for joining us, But that's gonna be
after O Joe and I discussed the game. Yeah, oh Joe.
The Buck Guys take down the Fighting Irish to win
the Nighty. The Buck Guys meet the Fighting Irish thirty
four to twenty three to win the inaugural twelve team
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college football Playoff. Is their first national championship since they
wasn't the first one, didn't he Yeah, they won the
first one the fourteen playoffs in twenty fourteen, and so
history repeated itself. They wasn't an inaugural this one total
yards Ohio State for forty five No to Dame to
ninety one total rush yards Ohio State to fourteen No
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to Dame, fifty three passing yards. Will Howells was seventeen
of twenty one, two thirty one, two touchdowns, no interception.
Riley Leonard was twenty of thirty two thirty eight, two touchdowns,
no interceptions. Ryan Day now has as many national titles
and Ohio status Jim Treptel and Urban Meyer.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Forty five year old Day is now seventy and ten.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
And I think he has the third best winning percentage
of somebody in the first minimum of fifty games.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
First fifty games, he's done that. So he's had an
impressive run.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
And now after all those wins and all those guys
that he sent to the NFL.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Guess what, he has an one title.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
He finally, Oh Joe watching this game, I saw you
tweet like, hey, can we start nightcap early? What were
you thinking? I mean you saw it, I mean not
to They didn't go right down the field, lokho. They
take ten minutes off the clock and they get a touchdown.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
So now you're like, okay, we might have a ball game.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
Well, listen, I thought we were going to have a
ball game, but I had to think about Obviously, there
were no adjustments that were able to be made by
Ohio State the game. On both sides of the ball,
nobody had settled in. Yet nobody had settled it in.
So it's the first drive. Normally, you know when it
when it comes to an NFL game, a college game,
even a high school game. Most of the time, the
FIRSD drive of the game, you go down the score.
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If you're a good team, if you're a DC team,
go down the score, and then adjustments are made going
into the second drive and outside of that and then
actual football game happens itself. It looked like to me
at the point I sent the tweet out, it looked like,
I'm not gonna know.
Speaker 5 (06:48):
The Dame has been good all year.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
They lost more game, They've been good all year, but
it just looked like they didn't belong.
Speaker 5 (06:54):
It looked like they were overmatched. They were overmatched.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
As most people would say, if you were a game
man and you were the better on a team to
win this game based on what they did throughout the
entire for the season, and based on the skill sets
at the different positions and who had the upper hand,
you would have bet with Ohio State.
Speaker 5 (07:11):
And they showed up to night.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
They put enough space in between them when Notre Dame
got the ball rolling where they didn't have enough time
to come back.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Yeah, I thought they got kind of got conservative.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Also, they just started just running the football, trying to
run the clock out, and they got away from the
offense and they allowed Notre Dame to gain some momentium.
Notre Dame did a good job of punching the ball
out from the receiver. He picked up twenty four yards
and the guy came from behind him and punched the
football out. But I thought, like, look, the strong suit
of Notre Dame is their defense. The strong suit of
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Ohio State is their offense. Now could Notre dames offense
do enough damage to Ohio State's defense? And I didn't
think that, you know, once it got I thought for me,
once the guy scored got fourteen seventeen, I remember calling
myself like it's over, justore, I said, but nah, I said,
but you look look at them how they're just moving
the ball down the field with little to no resistance
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will So I was like, yeah, so over the next day,
you know, it's twenty one to seven, it's twenty eight seven.
I thought it was about to be really be over Ocho.
I thought it was about to go to thirty five
to seven. They end up kicking kicking the field goal
and Ohio State gets some momentum when they when they
got the fumble, but Ohio State was the superior team.
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I always felt that if they played their best when
when the color, when the format was the twelve teams
that were you know, we're gonna play for the national championship.
I like, if Ohio State plays their best, they're the
best team in football because they got an offense that
can with the superior athletes, and they played twenty million
dollars for a roster. It was just the matter were
they going to play their best on a given day
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because we've seen them struggle. You know, this is the
team that was what three touchdown favorite lose at home
to Michigan. Yeah, so if they played their best, I
didn't think any team could beat them.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Now they are teams that have okay, got a.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Really good defense, that's social offense, really good offense, social defense.
I thought Texas was probably the closest thing to him,
and we saw Texas take him down to the wide
then they get that strip sack and then for some
distance between them.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
But Ohio State. Congratulations to Ryan Day.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
I mean, he calls a lot of criticism, I think,
and I think it was warranted, and then people don't
want to like just look at it that he won
the national championship, but he's under achieved with the players
that he had on that roster.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Yes, those receivers that he sent to the NFL.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Those d lineman, those DB's, those offensive linemen, and now
this is his first title.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Can't take that away from him. He hasn't.
Speaker 5 (09:35):
You can't. You can't take it away from now.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
And you talk about all the players he's had, all
the players that have gone into the draft, first round picks,
second round picks, but you also have to remember the
teams that he lost so to, lost to Tea. Uh
that the teams that he's lost to, you know throughout
those years, they also had first round picks.
Speaker 5 (09:51):
You know they they.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Have Marvin Harrison Junior, and Jackson Smith and Jagba and
Olave and and and and and who is that? What's
the Garret Wilson and Denzel Award? Uh and what's the
what's the other guy name?
Speaker 2 (10:07):
You see? You see what you're doing too, is you're naming.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
You're naming players that played for the Ohio State, some
of them from not at the same time, some did
play together, but also the team that they played that
they lost to, they played well.
Speaker 5 (10:18):
Together as a team.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
Now, I can't call out all the names of the
players that played on the teams that they lost to
in the past. Yeah, it was catching some of the
flat that he had. Yes through the teams that they
did lose to. These weren't no slouches. Now they lose
to some boys.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Back to back national championship, National champions and the Big
Ten Michigan last year, this year, Ohio State, Ohio. I mean,
the big tat is feeling really good now, Like, Okay,
what's up?
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Sec?
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Well, what what what? What's really what's good? What's really
really really happening? But I mean when you just look
at them, I mean the athletes that they got at
the skill position, you know, the running back, the wide receivers.
You know, hey, Jeremiah Smith is gonna be a first
gonna be a top pick, just like Marvin Harrison Jr.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Just like all these other guys, all the other receivers.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
That they've had o'lave and Garrett Wilson and Jackson Smith
and Jigbook.
Speaker 5 (11:15):
I have a questions.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
As polished, as polished as Jeremiah Smith is, as NFL
ready as he looks, how soon can he come out
in the draft.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
He's a freshman junior year.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
Oh so so it's in junior yar, No matter what
you did, no matter what, Okay, no matter what.
Speaker 5 (11:34):
Think about this, Look how we look this year as
a freshman.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
Imagine improvement that happened in the off season, and how
are you gonna look at the sophomore. I wouldn't be
surprised unless a quarterback comes out of nowhere. Maybe an
Archie Manny would be the only one. Archie Manny is
the only one I see ribbling him or giving him
competition for that number one pick, unless there's somebody else
chat maybe in the chat that you might know that
(11:58):
that's gonna come along that and I don't know about
obviously that's going to be good enough to challenge Jeremiah
Spire for that number one picking. What twenty twenty seven
to twenty twenty eight.
Speaker 6 (12:07):
Guy.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
But here's the thing, though, oh Joe, theoretically Archie Manau
can come out next year.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
This will be a junior year. Yeah, remember he's a sophomore.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Ah, he is a sophomore, that's right, So this be
his rising junior year.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Okay, okay, So theoretically he could come out after this year.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
I'm not saying that he would. His uncle stayed all
four years. And you know, obviously money is not the issue. No,
And the thing is for now of these guys to
look at it. The quicker I can come out, the
quicker I can get to that second contract that's going
to be now three hundred million dollars.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
Yeah, but you also have to be careful, especially at
the quarterback position. I know you're Manning, but are you ready?
Are you ready to be able to play at the
next level?
Speaker 7 (12:51):
Have you been?
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Have you been?
Speaker 4 (12:53):
Like I like using the word polished because you can
tell at the collegiate level when the player is polished
enough and already ready for the NFL NFL level. Now,
for Archie Manning, if you do come out early, you
have to understand you're going to a team that's bad.
Is the situation right, the team that happened to be
picking first.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Or second they can pull a power move. Are you
going to the.
Speaker 5 (13:12):
Situation that that that suits you?
Speaker 4 (13:15):
You know where you can be okay, that has somewhat
of a support cast where you can succeed.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Even so many factors come into play at that point
in time.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
MOCHORID doesn't matter if you're ready, somebody's about to have
somebody's about to hand you fifty million dollars and all
of it's going to be fully guaranteed. And now you're
one step closer to three hundred million. That's what guys
are looking at, O yo. Because the law, all you
do is kick the can down the road until you
get to that big payday. Because quarterbacks they're redoing their
deal after that third year. Everybody else normally wasts after
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the fourth year.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
But you've got to think about some quarterbacks that are
in in very good situation do their deals after the
third year, like a CD shroud like. But look what
happened to a Tree Lance who also went early, you know, yes,
kicking down the can down the road. And look he
went to a situation that wasn't suitable for you long term,
and now you're the back of it.
Speaker 5 (14:07):
The third string with the Cowboys.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
He got beat out.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
What you meant it was they sold Brock pretty beat
him out. I mean he look he got Oh, Joe,
you mean to tell me you actually think somebody will
trade what they traded two first rounds, a second, and
a third and won a seventh round.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Mister irrelevant to take his spot.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Yeah, just imagine what would have happened if they don't
take Brock pretty and Trey Lanson is their quarterback. Kyle
Shanahan and John Lynch would get fired. He saved their job.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Yeah, yes, yeah, you can't.
Speaker 7 (14:43):
You can't.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
You can't that draft, Oh Joe, you can't trade all
that draft capital right cause if he doesn't pan out,
you duck? Yeah yeah, how do you rebuild if you're
giving away all your draft capital capitals?
Speaker 4 (14:58):
Ading question? They moved too fast? Was he really that bad?
Just think about it if you if you remember, was
he that bad? Maybe Purty was that good? Now, no
disrespect to party. Yeah look look look look what's surrounding him?
Come on now and guess.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
What Trey Lance had that surrounding him and he couldn't
make it work like that?
Speaker 5 (15:20):
Yeah, okay, I'm just curious we all talking.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Oh Joe, I could give you the same ingredients did
I give? Did I give Bobby Flay? I give Gordon Ramsey?
I kill for these stopped by shelf it don't batter.
You can't make it work like they make it work?
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Right right right? Right?
Speaker 5 (15:37):
Perty was a better fit?
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Purty was. I don't think he better.
Speaker 5 (15:41):
I don't think he's a better quarterback. I don't know
if that makes sense.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
I don't know if that makes sense to you, because listen,
if if and when we where we saw from fields,
I'm about the field what we saw from Trey Lance,
the small, very very very small sample size where Jerry
Jones pulled that, you know what bull crap. He looked great,
he looked good, he looked decent. He looked like a
quarterback that can be at the hem and be a
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leader of men. So i'thing like I'm thinking to myself, well,
damn if you run in the office like this and
it ain't that bad.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
What was the province down there in San Francisco. I
don't know, Oh Joe.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
I mean, like I said, I just I think the
thing is, like, you know, when you give up that
kind of capital for a guy, you want him to succeed, Yeah,
because it makes you look bad. The reason the only
reason we're not talking about how big a mistake that
was is because brock perty has played so well. He's
got him into the NFC Championship Game, he's taking him
to the Super Bowl, So we forget what a colossal
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mistake drafting him and trading all that capital to get
him was because had it not been for that, I'm
not so sure if they survived that. I don't know
if a team can can survive you give up that much,
because think about it, to move up, you gave him
the next year's first round pick, you gave him a
second round pick, a third round pick.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
That's your future a lot.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Yeah, and so you're hoping, oh, we give that up,
So what we're gonna be picking in the late twenties,
maybe even thirty thirty, thirty one, thirty two because we
made a deep playoff run but low and behold, guess
what you give up that pick and look where you are.
And so yeah, it was really tough. And I think,
you know, I think Rock Party really saved John Lynchend
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and Kyle Shanahan's careers in San Francisco, because if you don't,
if that doesn't pan out with Trey Lance, where do
you go from there?
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Tom? But it's gonna be it.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
It's gonna be very interesting to see how the forty
nine ers played this thing out. O Joe, because rock
Perty is gonna want fifty million.
Speaker 5 (17:40):
No no no, no, no no no no no no no No.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
I'm just gonna tell you what you want. I'm not
saying they're gonna have to do something.
Speaker 5 (17:45):
It ain't about what he wants.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Now.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
If they gonna do something he can get, he can get.
Like with Sam Donald, probably go in the gig in Minnesota.
Speaker 5 (17:51):
I doubt they.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
I doubt I doubt Sam dnld. They never went to
an NFC championship game. Sam dlady never went to a
play getting went to a super Bowl. I know guys
that have gotten fifty million and ain't never been to
a super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (18:09):
I think he'll probably get somewhat of a bigger Mayfield
type deal. I have to understand the success on why
rock perty has been able to do with what he's
done so far today, the supporting cast, Look what he
has around him, are you Tim Williams, Christian McCaffrey, Jordan Mason,
uh Devo, Samuels person, I mean like we come on with.
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They mean even management, even management knows. I know when
you talk today and you can't be disrespectful. You have
to understand. Can Brock Purty go somewhere else and elevate
the team around him and elevate the players around him?
Or does he have to have players that are good
to elevate his player, he has a different.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
There are a lot of quarterback that they're not.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
There are not a lot of quarterbacks that are forced
multipliers that they can elevate everybody else. You believe Sam
Dna can go somewhere else and elevate somebody.
Speaker 5 (18:57):
No, because even have done it in Carolina or New York.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
Okay, then so look what happens when you put him
around Jettis you know, and in Madison or Madison, well,
do you see what you get it? Obviously they folded
in the playoffs, but that's what happened. You have a
great supporting cast around you, and that can be management's argument,
that could be the gym's argument, and the agent in
the quarterback has to be realistic. Where else can you
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go and play the way you've played with us outside
of this past season right nowhere? Look how you played
when everybody got hurt. True, but back to this, uh
this Ohio State. Ohio State.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Definitely, Ryan Day definitely gets the monkey off his back,
O Joe. Now we'll see Kenny string something together. It's
gonna be it's it's it's much more difficult now, O
Joe to win because you got twelve teams and you know, one.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Game and it's over. You know, they started out against
what in.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Indiana and then I think now, yeah, I think they
started out with Indiana and then they beat Oregon. Then
they beat Texas. So instead of winning two games, now
you got to win four. You gotta win four games. Yeah,
and but I think the thing is is a lot eat.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Guess what when you win.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Alumni boosters they want to pour money because they like
that feeling. They like the they like getting the gear
ojoe with twenty twenty five national champs.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
That's what they like. And it says, Okay, this is
what it's gonna.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Take in order for us to stay up here because
other teams they're gonna try to regroup. Georgia's like, uh uh,
I don't like this feeling. You know, your Alabama's your Texas.
Speaker 7 (20:31):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
You know, I think, if I'm not mistaken, I think
SORR signed a new seven year deal.
Speaker 7 (20:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Uh these teams, you know, everybody is looking to come back.
It's gonna be interested to see how No the name
plays this thing, because you know, they had some success
this year.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
I don't know how much they spend in the portal.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
But it's gonna come to a point in time, Ojo,
you're gonna have to aay, you gotta do what you
gotta do. Yeah, it's really if it's really, it's really
that simple, old You gotta do what you gotta do.
Speaker 5 (21:02):
You got you gotta put your money with my fists.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
You gotta put your money where your buyfields. And these
big time programs they got fifteen twenty million dollars thirty
you know, fifteen twenty twenty five million dollars.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Hey, yea, I need a quarterback. It's gonna cost me
in one to two million dollars. I need a top back,
top running back.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
That's gonna cost me four to six hundred top flight
receiver sixty million, a d Lineman line back.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Ay, bro, it's gonna cost you.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
And oh, you're talking about an eighteen nineteen year old,
Oh Joe, that's gonna have six hundred, seven hundred million dollars.
Speaker 5 (21:32):
Out of the gate.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
Gate somebody being able to secure your family a head
start in security your family, Yes, a hand start, you.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Know, mama, A damning projects. We ain't in the projects,
no more. We ain't in section ain't no more, Mama,
no mama got three. We about to get three four
bad rooms with a garage.
Speaker 5 (21:54):
And it's so funny how the landscape of the NFL,
I mean the NFL.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
It's so funny how the landscape of collegiate football has changed,
especially for the power of five schools, especially when you
have certain boosters that are willing to spend to ensure
that you can win.
Speaker 5 (22:06):
Everything is paid the plate.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Oh yo, baby, lead that they could lead that student athlete,
issh along now and that's student that a this pay
for play. These guys making money now, yeah, all that
the student athletes. And I'm going to get an education. Okay,
that'll be nice. That that'll be nice if you get
that along the way. But uh, fall back on it's
(22:30):
something nice. But he like this kid from Michigan that
got twelve and a half million.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
Hey, I have a question on time out come. Are
they exaggerating the numbers or is it really well? It
is a really tendanty got he got some other perks too, Uh,
who is that? What's the guy that at Oracle Larry Ellison?
Speaker 1 (22:54):
His wife went to Michigan and so he kepped being
He's like whatever it takes to get this kid let's gee.
Speaker 4 (23:01):
You see what happened and you have alumni like that.
Now that yeah, he's a third what is he the
third riches I think he's the third richest man in
the world. It wasn't than twenty billion. Man was twelve
what's twelve million dollars than him?
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Nothing.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
So even if I did, if I did ten percent,
even if I did five percent, that's like, that's like,
that's like one hundred thousand, that's like a thousand dollars
to me, and you twelve million is him, It's like
a thousand dollars to you or not?
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Right, he ain't missing that, not.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
A chance because he wanted he wants his uh, he
wants to see his program or his wife program succeed.
But this is where we are now, Joe, this student
athlete bullgeie. It's never been that. It's always been that,
but it was always hush hush okay, Hey yeah, I
get you this charger, this challenge, this cat pack, this
you know this, you know what I'm saying, what hey,
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this cat pack, I get you this SRG eight, I
get you to know, I get you this hell cat.
You know I'm saying. It was that going on. It
was the Backwood deals. All of a sudden, Damn, how y'all,
bro y'all was just at the project with us. How
y'all in this three bedroom cross Town. Now, yeah, now
everything is above the board, guy, and it ain't no
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more challenges.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Guys, driving ferraris than Lambeau. You see what your doer had.
Speaker 5 (24:20):
But see listen, you gotta you gotta you gotta be
one of them. Now you gotta be one.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
Yes, if you one of them, you could already start
your NFL career. And the image is if you already
made it, you got to be him.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
So you know these the top, the top guys, they're
gonna be getting you know, three four million dollars a year.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Arch many gonna be baking for five million. He's a made.
He probably have made ten eleven million dollars on yo,
are ready? And you know, hey, he come from you
know Cooper, Cooper ain't payting an ELI. But he ain't hurting, No,
ain't hurting at all. You know what I'm saying. Yeah,
he's stashing all his money.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
And I just hope guys that are getting this money
they're getting very sound financial advice, because that's taxes you're
in that bracket.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
You make up with four hundred thousand. You in that bracket, bracket,
in that bracket.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
Day.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
So in other words, you made two hundred thousand, You
didn't make four hundred. You make two hundred because uncle
say I want his cut. Uncle say, I'm the only
guy that don't go to work and get half your money. Yeah,
and he don't play too.
Speaker 5 (25:22):
If he don't, if he don't get it, if you
don't get it, if he don't get it, he's gonna
knocking your door down the line.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Oh he gonna get it. It's just a matter of fact.
When do he get it?
Speaker 1 (25:31):
Because he already know what you got because they can
see everything, like, oh, you ain't got it like you
used to have it. Huh okay, Oh oh you know
interest because they put that compound interest on your ass.
Oh you can't pay it, And guess what, We're gonna
just put the interest on it until you do pay
it all back. Now, they they when they owe you,
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they give you a little bit of interest you owe them,
they compound that interest. So but congratulations to the buck eyes.
So you saw the br Bryce Harper was there. He's
a big Ohio State fan. Two times n L m
VP Lebron was there. A lot of the stars were out. Uh,
it's kind of not my thing, uh to go. Like
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I said, I don't really know anybody that's playing college football.
I'm not a big you know, I like college football,
but I mean me going to a game, It's not
like the NBA for me, O Joe. Like I said,
if I had a friend, somebody had a son that's playing, Okay, yeah,
I go check it out.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Yeah, I'm I'm a root for yeah yeah right.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
If I mean tonight, I mean I would I would
have loved I would have loved to go to go
to the game. Obviously I would have been able to
watch Brian Clark's son. I would have been able to
watch him play. Actually actually being able to watch Jeremiah Smith.
It would it would have been nice to play. But
just going to a game, you know, you know, experience
the atmosphere, just to watch two players that I can
watch it home on TV.
Speaker 5 (26:49):
I mean, it's it's I love crime.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
If Colorado in the National Championship game, I would have went,
oh yeah yeah. But other than that, now it was
O Joe without any further Ado. I'd like to welcome
is about We're gonna welcome to Michael Jenkins. He's a
caesar or real estate development investor, custom home designer as
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well as chief operator, officer and owner of three D
Vision and unfortunately OJO he was involved in a disgusting
racial profiling act outside of his own home.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
And so welcome Mikey. Congratulations to your Buck guys. Well done.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
I know you, so I'm surprised you you got on
your your Buck guy shirt. But congratulations to your Buck guys.
To you and I think that's if that's your wife. Yeah, yeah,
congratulations man, Thank you for joining us.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
Mike. If you can go back, I know it was
a November and here we are in late January.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
If you can recount the events as you remember as
vivid as you possibly can.
Speaker 7 (27:51):
Yeah, I can remember. It wasn't too long ago. I
was leaving one of my real estate job sites in
the Inner City. Wrapping it up for today is about
five fifteen to me, about forty five minutes to get
I'm proud to go home saying. It's something I want
you to know is when they say it's an affluent neighborhood,
it's one of the most wealthy neighborhoods in the Ohio. Wow, congrats,
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And my house is the best house. And don't talk
about because I come on that I've designed it from
scrap I'm an architectural designer. I bought the land, I
financed the land, designed it from scraps, and I built
it from the ground deck using all my resource. So
proud to come home. I'm pulling up, checking out my
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Christmas lights we just put up for the holiday season.
And there happens to be a lady in the driveway
with two kids. So I don't think nothing of it.
Kids coming in in and out of my house all
the time, I got kids, got a family over here.
I'm thinking nothing of it. I think I think she's
looking for the front door. I say, hey, are you
Are you looking for somebody? She doesn't answer. She being
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proceeds to go through the porch. So I'm okay, so
she's probably coming over. So I pull in the driveway. Uh,
I'm about to park, and she rings the doorbell and
comes to the front of the front porch and stops
me and says, do you live here? And I said, yeah,
I live here. She said, well I don't think so,
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so I well, what are you doing here? She says,
I don't think you live here, kicks the kid, kid up,
drops the stroller, pops off the porch, starts running, and
I hear screaming yelling for help. At that point, now
I'm in fear. I'm in fear because I know what
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we face as black man in the mirror. So I
rushed to the garage. Parking the garage, coming to the house.
My wife's in the office. I said, bad, some white,
uh Paucasian lady. She just jumped off our front porch, screaming,
yelling for help. I don't know if she gonna call police.
I'm pacing back and forth. I don't know what's about
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to happen. Six pm, regular day. We pac him back
and forth. I don't At this point, I'm like, I
don't know what's about to happen. She comes back before
the police gets here. I don't want to go outside.
I don't want to go outside with them outside and
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the police pulls up and we're I don't know what's
going to pop off if police pull up, or to
pay it happened, anything could happen. I know they're going
to tide dun it. So my wife's come outside and
she just wants to wants to figure out what's going
on because she's in shock. And I'll let her say
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how she ended up coming outside or whatnot. Okay, would
he come when he came home? And he said, you know,
I was going to ask you. Oh.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
He comes into the house, he says, Babe, there's a
white lady standing on my on our porch. She's running, yelling, screaming.
I don't know what this is about, and so what's
going through your mind? When he explains what he just encountered.
Speaker 8 (31:04):
I was in my office working and I'm confused.
Speaker 9 (31:06):
I'm not understanding what's going on, Like, what do you
mean as a white woman running scroming for help, dreaming
for help for what.
Speaker 8 (31:12):
He's like, I don't know, And immediately my I just
heart dropped.
Speaker 9 (31:16):
I'm like walking and pacing back and forth like okay,
just wait, just wait, look, okay, well what happened nothing.
Speaker 8 (31:23):
I was just pulling in the house and I'm like,
what is she screaming for? He's like I don't know, and.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
I'm like what.
Speaker 9 (31:31):
What? And I keep opening up the door because I
feel like the police is gonna come here, somebody is
about to come here, and I don't know what's gonna happen.
I don't even know what fully happened. I didn't hear anything.
I'm in the house working. So she goes and so
I kept opening up the door and that's when I
came out.
Speaker 7 (31:49):
So she called.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
So she did end up calling the police.
Speaker 8 (31:52):
She did end up calling the police.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Yes, oh okay, So let me ask you a question.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
Now.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
This happened in November. The video just recently got released.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
What called you guys to release because I'm glad this
is on rereen camera because You're absolutely right. Had this
not been captured on camera on video, we already know
the story that was gonna be told and how it
was gonna be spun.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
But you guys had it on camera. What made you
guys finally decide to release it?
Speaker 8 (32:18):
Well?
Speaker 9 (32:18):
I actually released the video in our community Facebook group.
We have a community Facebook group about five hundred or
so people, and it ever since I've been like, we've
been chattered, we've been upset, we've been it's so many
different factors and so many different feelings, so many different feelings.
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I hit the video in our community Facebook group to
share what happened and it took a lot for me
to do that, and then we woke up in the
video everywhere.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
You know what's funny, it's one thing that experienced racial
profiling in public, you know, in public. I'm sure we
all have stories where it happens in that setting, will
or to happen in your own home. I mean, it
can be, it can be unsettling, It could be, it
can be uncomfortable, especially when it comes to a place
that you call a place of a place of peace. Yeah,
well we can all get away from, you know, from
the outside world. Has that affected your sense sense of
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security and trust in the neighbors and and have you
reconciled in any way with the neighbor who calls these issues?
Speaker 9 (33:22):
Of course there's a lot of trust. Of course, it
makes us feel unwelcome and unsafe. We have two boys,
and he leaves our family. He protects our family. So
to know that we can't go walk the dog or
if someone looking at us is what's gonna happen. It's
a lot of way, it's a lot of pain, and
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it's a lot of emotion. I can and he's be
synicized to this.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
I'll still hear it in your voice.
Speaker 8 (33:49):
Oh, of course it not once that we got uh.
Speaker 9 (33:56):
I thought the next day maybe there would be a
flower of the door or saying a pop. Not once,
how this person unched out to us to give us
a clear apology.
Speaker 6 (34:05):
Oh h a, I reached out thea immediately after it happened.
Nobody said anything immediately after it happened. Ho a ghosted me.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
For lack of better words, can I ask you this
priord to that night, proud to that incident.
Speaker 10 (34:23):
Had you ever seen this woman prior to this incident.
I've been in the neighborhood for three years. I built
the house from the ground up. I know the developers
in the neighborhood. I lived in the front of the
neighborhood while I built the house. I walked to the
job site every day.
Speaker 7 (34:39):
So have I seen her eye for eye No, I've
walked by her house and seen them on the front porch,
so she's.
Speaker 9 (34:48):
Seen when they came, I didn't recognize Goo ahead, ma'am,
go ahead, I.
Speaker 8 (34:53):
Didn't recognize them.
Speaker 9 (34:53):
But but I was gonna say it's a ninety or
more of the neighborhood is predominantly occasion.
Speaker 8 (35:01):
So where one of one black.
Speaker 7 (35:04):
Family from the neighborhood, and our house sits all the
way in the back of the neighborhood, and that people
ride by and take pictures every day, and there's a
lot of publicity with our house. So it really was.
It was shocking. But they stay to theyself in the neighborhood.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Let me ask you this. Will you walk up and
you ask what can I help you with? And she says,
is this your house? You say yeah, and she says,
I don't believe you when someone tells you they're standing
on your porch and they tell that's not their property,
and they tell you that this is not your property.
(35:44):
What went through your mind when someone is standing on
your porch and they said, well, you don't live here.
Speaker 7 (35:49):
Well, that's when I was battle tested as a black net,
as an at then the present. That's you know, had
to transition and learn how to put pride and ego
to the side and control your emotion. Okay, that's when
I kicked in. That was a that was the ultimate
battle test because in my mind, I said, the audacity,
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the audacity of her, that was in my mind, but
I could I had to control my emotions in the
moment because I knew where it could have escalated at
I'm thinking, well, what if she what if she had
a gun? What she had been running or what I
have been running?
Speaker 1 (36:29):
Is this a situation? Because now she said, well, you
have to see it from my point of view. No,
I don't need to see anything from your point of
view when you standing your you know what on my porch.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
But for her to say, well, you just say, well,
I really live here. I live here. I don't have
to identify myself. This is mine. Why do I have
to tell you who I am when you standing on
my property?
Speaker 7 (36:49):
It's I mean, it's it's it's it's. It took everything
out of me, you know, not to get out of character.
And especially when they came back. You know, she brought
her husband back. He was stand off.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
I was.
Speaker 7 (37:01):
I was scared to go outside, but I said on it.
I was listening. I said, I can't let my wife
sit out here with these people. What if the police
pull up? So you know, I went outside and I
just had to make my face now and I had
to let them know I do live here. A black
man does live here. I did build this house from
the ground up. I did design this house. I had
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to show my face, and as soon as I came outside,
you could tell they switched it all the way up.
Let's get out of here, let's go. Uh, they switch
it all the way up.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
When the police arrived, What did the police say? Okay?
Speaker 9 (37:37):
What?
Speaker 7 (37:38):
What?
Speaker 1 (37:38):
What was the side of the story that they told
the police? And then what did the police? What was
the interaction once the authorities arrived.
Speaker 7 (37:45):
I hid it in the house. I didn't talk to
the police. I'm not come out there with them. Those
police might gun me down.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
So you let your wife. I hit it in the out,
so you let your wife.
Speaker 7 (37:56):
Have I let her handle that.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
Okay?
Speaker 8 (37:58):
What I made I mean, I made a report. I
made a police report.
Speaker 9 (38:04):
It was emotional to make a police report because we
all know what happens and you call the police. So
I had to think to myself, do I go outside
and start Do I let them come inside?
Speaker 2 (38:16):
Do I sit up?
Speaker 8 (38:17):
Do I sand down? Do I let my son? Do
I let my son be st in here? How do
I explain this end?
Speaker 9 (38:23):
And even explaining and sharing that this lady racially profiled
as she ran from her house, framing there's no telling
what people can think. My son came home from work
who's seventeen and said, Mom, what about taking out the trash?
Speaker 8 (38:38):
What if she had a gun?
Speaker 2 (38:40):
What are the like?
Speaker 8 (38:41):
What's the whole? Are the police here?
Speaker 5 (38:44):
That's crazy?
Speaker 8 (38:45):
Hey, this but I knew I haven't made the report.
Speaker 5 (38:49):
And despite the difficulties of the situation you've been through, you.
Speaker 4 (38:54):
Guys, or are you guys moving forward with reclaiming your
sense of safety being that it is home and in
any way despite them not you know, giving sincere apologies
or letting you know that.
Speaker 5 (39:08):
We welcome you here in our home, especially Hioa and
the neighbor it selves.
Speaker 4 (39:12):
Do you still have hope and motivation to keep sharing
your story from this point on for others that might
encounter these situations in ways they can prevent things from
happening and being able to de escalate those situations.
Speaker 7 (39:26):
Uh. I have nothing against their family, but I grew
up dealing with this all the time. So we still
have to live here. They live two streets. Oh, we
have to ride by each other's house. Uh. I'm okay
with being cordial with riding by each other's house. Uh,
have no issue with them.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (39:46):
The issue is getting a worried out here and letting
my situation and what I've been through and what I
overcome be inspiring to people in the world, people that
look like me. So I'm that's the space I'm in,
and I'm thankful for God because I didn't ask for
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her to show up on my porch. This is God's
movement here, This is God telling me that people need
to hear your story. You need to inspire, You need
to tell people what's going on and use this so
that hopefully this won't happen to the next person or
the next person that comes across the Karen situation, they
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will know how to control their emotion. Because us, as
black man, especially young black men, we struggled with that,
We struggled with that impulse, with that that acting we have.
We we think irrationally and we never think rationally. So
I'm here to inspire people. I'm a real estate developer.
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I build houses from the ground up, single family houses.
But I thought that moving into the most wealthiest neighborhood
in Ohio, that this was the right thing to do.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
But maybe.
Speaker 7 (41:04):
My focus needs to be build communities that's for us
and buy us so that we can inspire people that
looks like us. We can we can build a community.
Speaker 5 (41:18):
That's for us.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
Can ask your question. You said something very interesting. You said,
she lives two streets up from you. So you mean
to tell me she went two streets out of her
way to try to find out who lived in this home.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
Not on your streets, not on your not on your streets,
not on your block, not next to you. Two streets.
Speaker 7 (41:39):
It's too streets up, but it's she's all the way north,
we're all the way down. It's more time, million dollar
house back here. The lots are big, so it's two streets,
but it's still we can go thirty days, sixty ninety
days without seeing each other.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
So she went out of her way. Let me ask
you this. She she issued an apology.
Speaker 1 (42:02):
She also said that she reached out to you and
tried to apologize multiple times, but she hasn't had a
response from you. Has she tried to Did she apologiy
to apologize to you in person, or was it through
this video that you guys have seen.
Speaker 9 (42:17):
She has not tried to apologize as a person, be
a phone, via knock at the door, via a phone
called bea email. Note only the live videos.
Speaker 1 (42:27):
Now, apparently, if we were to believe what the report
says that this woman has a history going back as
far as twenty eighteen of creating these situations and then
making herself out to be a victim.
Speaker 2 (42:38):
Have you guys seen that.
Speaker 1 (42:39):
Have y'all seen any of those reports that's being circulated.
Speaker 2 (42:44):
I'm not that I have not seen And to ask
you this, I want to ask you this.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
Have you thought about since your privacy your security, have
you thought about potentially even leaving that neighborhood and going
elsewhere or you saying, now, y'all not going to run
us up out our home.
Speaker 7 (43:02):
One percent. I've been in Ohio my whole life, and
I faced racial discrimination at its highest peak. I'm a
stereo type person, tattoos, dreadlock, a man that's in the
professional world, in the real estate development world that you
don't see too many minorities building multi million dollar home
It doesn't have to hear. So we one hundred percent
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have thought about moving to another state, taking my talents elsewhere,
building a community to go on places where we could
be surrounded by more people that look like us.
Speaker 2 (43:36):
Man, So let me ask you a question. What was
your relationship with the neighborhood.
Speaker 1 (43:40):
Did you have any interaction with your neighbors, like to
the left of you, in front of you, to the
back of you. What's the neighborhood like, I know it's
you mentioned it's a very affluent neighborhood.
Speaker 2 (43:51):
There's a lot of there are wealthy people that live there.
You mentioned million dollar homes.
Speaker 1 (43:55):
What's the relationship with you in the community other than
with this said individual.
Speaker 7 (44:00):
Is So it's the wealthiest neighborhood. And they got it,
saying that once she reached a certain tax practice, race
doesn't matter.
Speaker 2 (44:06):
That's a lie. So it's a lie. But people say that.
People say that.
Speaker 7 (44:13):
So everybody out here, most majority of people out here,
they walk every day, they take pictures of her house,
they say hi. You can ask people in the neighborhood.
Those people are not friendly. They don't say hi, they
don't take too many walks, they don't walk their dog,
they stay in their house. They are staying off. So
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the neighborhood is friendly, but I don't know about them.
She says something big. God, go ahead, ma'am.
Speaker 8 (44:41):
I was just fun to say.
Speaker 9 (44:42):
We participate in community events and you know, for the
most part, the neighborhood is friendly. She posted videos after
this happened and the neighbors brought it to us because
they picked two and two together. So that's how we
even found out that they knew about it.
Speaker 1 (45:00):
She mentioned to you as you was walking up. You
have to see her point of view. She's walking her kids,
is late at night. If you're that afraid, why are
you out at night walking your kids? If you afraid
as you say you are, did you like did that
cross your mind? Like, well, if you say you're afraid,
why you out here the dark by yourself? You're married,
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your husband's not with you, and you got a small child.
So it can't be that dangerous. You can't be that
fearful of your life if you choose at night to
walk a child.
Speaker 8 (45:32):
It's six o'clock in age, it getting dark early.
Speaker 7 (45:36):
But yeah, we thought about that.
Speaker 9 (45:38):
Of course I wouldn't be out all right walk in
with no no, no, not at all, especially if you
you know, have been through things or whatever, like I'm
not walking that night period.
Speaker 5 (45:51):
That's crazy.
Speaker 8 (45:52):
It is as simple as that.
Speaker 9 (45:53):
And as soon as someone tell me that's their house,
all better off. Okay, Look, you know, if you're scared
and you walk walk home, I said, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (46:01):
I guess I just look at things differently. I've really
never walked by somebody house, Oh you live here? Or
definitely I'm not standing on somebody's porch and asking this
is this their home?
Speaker 2 (46:11):
If they drive up. I'm in the neighborhood.
Speaker 1 (46:13):
I see somebody in the driveway or somebody on the porch,
I throw my hand up.
Speaker 2 (46:16):
I keep it moving.
Speaker 1 (46:18):
I'm not going to stand on someone's ports and ask
them if they live here. That's none of my concern,
not just me. Maybe I'm maybe I don't think I'm
unique in that. Guys, Oh, we ain't know pray, we
ain't nosy like that. Though, we ain't nosey like that. Man,
we see somebody, maybe we turns up the deuce, we
say hello, and we keep it moving. The first thing
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we say we see a night house boy. That thing
that I'm saying, it right, and we keep it moving.
It it ain't out business. You mentioned that you have
a seventeen year old son, and as black, we have
to have that conversation with our black young men. Is
that we always it's always yes sir, no sir, it's yes, ma'am,
no ma'am. When you pulled get pulled over. Look, hey,
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just be as light as you possibly can, because your
job is to get that man or that woman to
your car, back to their car and on their way
as quick as that you possibly can. It's not about
you know all this and all that. We'll fight it
in court. Whatever it is that they said I was speeding,
if I was improper lane change, I don't have a
tail light, or what ready driving. Let's go to court.
(47:24):
We could argue it in front of a judge, in
front of twelve people. I can't argue. I got to
have you make it home. Have you had to have
that talk with him? Have you had it already or
did you have to have that talk with him immediately
after this incident?
Speaker 8 (47:38):
Absolutely absolutely, it was. It was emotional, and you know,
it was multiple talk. It was multiple talks.
Speaker 9 (47:47):
And even with days where it's like, you know what,
I don't know if you shop all flide and walk
our dogs, let me see, make sure you go out
before it gets thart.
Speaker 8 (47:56):
It's a lot of weight. It's a lot of weight.
Speaker 1 (47:59):
You've received a lot of overwhelming support for social media though,
I mean, everybody's been on your side and the social
media has come to your defense, and like the way
the way you handle it, and you mentioned your situation
having made some decisions in your previous when you were
younger and you learned, and you said, look, I gotta
channel this. I'm not I'm not gonna give them the ability.
(48:20):
It says, I'm angry, and I have every right to
be angry because I'm in dead.
Speaker 2 (48:25):
I'm in the right here.
Speaker 1 (48:27):
But nobody cares about that because all they're going to
look as you as a black man, look at your
history and bring that into the equation when it had
nothing to do with this woman standing on your porch.
If you could people, people gonna watch this, this is
gonna get picked up. If you could say, if what
(48:48):
would you want people to know about you, your family
and how you handle this situation.
Speaker 7 (48:55):
I'm a black man in America. That's overcame every obstacle
that could be thrown at you, growing up, making bad decisions,
being around the wrong people, and being given a second
chance to transition, raising a family, being married. My seventeen
(49:15):
year old, I've been there since he was six months.
This is this is this is my It's my son,
but he's not my biological I've raised him as he's
my son. I have an eight year old as well.
I'm here to inspire people, to show people that control
(49:37):
your emotion. Control your emotion, that's that's that's one of
the most powerfulst things that a man can do, because
a dangerous man is a man that can't control his emotion.
So a situation like this that's broadcasting across the world,
you can see that I was given every single reason
(49:59):
to act and I still control my emotions. So I
want to use this moment, this, these platforms to inspire people,
lead people, and to show them what a real man
is and what a real man is supposed to do.
You take care of your family, protect your family, control
(50:21):
your emotions, and that's what we're here to do. And
also build communities. I want to build houses from the
ground up. I want to build communities. I want to
design high end luxury homes. These are things that I
want to do that I got a passion forward that
(50:42):
it's in my bloodline custom custom home builds. My grandpa
was a custom home designer and builder. These are things
that I want to take to the next level and
be known for and show people that in the real
estate industry that we can strive, we can survive, and
(51:02):
we can do what they do and even bad.
Speaker 1 (51:07):
So that's what I'm here for. Do you have a
sense or when or if you'll ever get your normalcy back?
Because your life has been interrupted. You didn't ask for this,
but as you mentioned before, God don't put on any
more of that's from what we can handle. He chose you,
He chose you for a reason, and the way you
(51:27):
handled yourself in that situation, I'm not so sure a
lot of us. Because she went out of her way.
She had no business on your porch to begin with you.
If she didn't think you lived there, she could ask
that question from the street. You don't bring your tail
on someone that's front porch and then ask them that's
not your place. I can see if you were at
her house and you're asking for a direction and you're like,
(51:48):
are you lost?
Speaker 2 (51:49):
You need help?
Speaker 1 (51:50):
She's in your she's on your property. Did you think
about pressing charges for trespassing?
Speaker 7 (51:55):
We did, and they threw it under the rug. They
filed a police That was nothing that we told them.
We asked for the police report. They never gave it
to us. We had to track them down to get
the police report and looked at it. It was vague.
We thought about pressing charges. We did all that. I thought.
She gave me every right. She's on my profence, that's
self defense. I could have done them down, but I
(52:19):
had to hold my composed you as a man for
my family, because even though it was self defense, it
could have been self defense, not for a black man,
not for us.
Speaker 1 (52:33):
Wow, the Michael, thank you for sharing your story with us.
We really appreciate it. You handled that thing very well.
To your wife, what's your name, ma'am Brittany, You and
the Michael handled it very very well. I'm not so
sure very many people would have handled it with the
class and with the poise that you did. You did
(52:54):
everything right, and even though you did everything right, it
seems like everything is gone wrong. She was wrong for
coming on to your property. The authorities seem to be
wrong for how they've handled this situation. Hopefully you get
the clarity, you get the judgment, the respect that you
deserve in this situation because you did everything right and seemingly,
(53:14):
as of right now, things have gone wrong. Hopefully, the
Nightcap family, everybody that's in this chat, we're praying for
you that you get your sense of peace, you get
your sense of normalcy and you get everything that you
deserve back tenfold because just talking to you, you're a
good man, writteny, you're a good woman, y'all, a great family, yes,
(53:35):
and you're doing the right thing. So I tip my
hat to you for the way you handle this situation
and continue to be blessed. God's gonna continue to bless
you because you're a good man and you do great
things for the community. And I want to thank you,
oh Cho and I Nightcap family want to thank you
for sharing your story with us.
Speaker 2 (53:55):
We're greatly, greatly appreciated.
Speaker 1 (53:57):
This is gonna go out and you're gonna get an
outpouring of support, and it still wouldn't be enough for
what you guys went through, But I thank you for
sharing your story here with us on Nightcap. Continue to
be blessed, continue success, and we'll talk to you soon
down the road. Appreciating Thank you, guys.
Speaker 2 (54:13):
I will go on.
Speaker 8 (54:14):
I thank you.
Speaker 2 (54:25):
Guys. Oh suo or not.
Speaker 1 (54:26):
We trt to try to tell you when when we
started this, our job was to inform you, to educate you,
to entertain you, and sometimes things is not about It's
not about entertainment. This is not entertaining for us, but
we felt that we needed to bring this story, we
need to give it even even more light. And when
I was approached by you know, would you like to
(54:47):
have this couple on, I said absolutely, And I just
told him, I said, look, we're coming on late, We're
coming on after the game, and so they'd be in
the second block. And they said, we don't care. We
want to share this story. We want to share it
on your platform. And so this is what we try
to do. I mean, yeah, we're a sports show, but
we talk about sports, we talk about culture, we talk
(55:08):
about finance. All we try to do is shared positive
like some things are not a positive, but we want
to show you. We want to show our community that
good can come out of a situation like this. And
the way he handle it, Like I said, don't yo,
I don't know that very many people you standing on
my front porch asking me do I live here?
Speaker 2 (55:28):
I don't know who does, but I just know you don't.
Speaker 4 (55:30):
Well, you know what, A lot of times you have
to think about it, especially when it comes to home,
when it comes to a safety in someone's property.
Speaker 5 (55:39):
Most of the time they meet fire with fire.
Speaker 4 (55:42):
Yes, they're not really that well, that well trained or
verse in de escalating situations. Like Also, another problem that
most of us have is we love challenging authority because
we know our rights, you know, instead of having the mindset, Well,
I tell my kids all the time, you have the
mindset you want to go home exactly your in goal.
Speaker 5 (56:04):
Whether you know all your rights, well, you know everything,
I don't care. You want to go home at the
end of the day.
Speaker 2 (56:09):
That's it, you know.
Speaker 4 (56:11):
But I think if we get to a point where
we understand that even though we know our rights, we
know everything and try to do everything a by the book.
Speaker 5 (56:22):
At the end of the day, you want to get
home to your family.
Speaker 4 (56:26):
In black man, white man, black kid, I mean, whatever,
whatever it may be, learn to de escalate situations. You
don't always have the challenge authority because you you want
to show you smarter and you know this, you know
that at the end of the day, it doesn't matter.
I just want to get home to my kids, and
I'm gonna go into my family.
Speaker 2 (56:45):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (56:46):
Oh Joe, Sometimes you can be in the right and
not be right. Yeah he was in the right, Yeah,
but he knows how this was going to play out.
I don't believe he read. And I meant to ask
him then, and she said she shared it with the
with the with the Facebook community.
Speaker 2 (57:05):
Had she not?
Speaker 1 (57:06):
Had the lady not got on there and started lying
and tried to make it seem like she was the victim.
They just wanted this to go away. They wanted to
go back to their normal life. She interrupted that she
interrupted their peace, and not for a good reason. They
said she lived two streets to the north. They're in
(57:27):
the back to the south, so you gotta go out
of your way. What it was, Ojo, that big house.
I know, ain't no black man pulling over to this house.
Speaker 2 (57:38):
Why you care?
Speaker 1 (57:39):
You ain't gotta pay one bill, no water, not gas,
not likeing I phoned that property tax or nothing?
Speaker 2 (57:45):
Why you care?
Speaker 7 (57:51):
Me?
Speaker 1 (57:51):
A part of a part of me, A part of me.
I understand that it's normalcy and it's peace, and it's
safety has been impacted. But I kind of don wanted
to move. I think that's kind of what they want
him to do because they mentioned that they might be
one on one in that neighborhood, and they got the
biggest lot in that neighborhood, and they kind of want
him out.
Speaker 2 (58:09):
N I ain't going nowhere, y'all leave, I ain't going nowhere.
This is mine. I bought this.
Speaker 1 (58:18):
And then they said they've been getting the run around
from the authorities and have I don't know what a
cho a do anyway. They full of car car. They
don't do nothing. That's just another way. That's just another
way to get one hundred and fifty two undre threehundred
dollars a month.
Speaker 2 (58:34):
Yeah, to do what Hell, I can cut the grass
myself at the front of the entrance. Hell, y'all talking here.
Speaker 1 (58:41):
Y'all talked about y'all taking up three hundred dollars a
month from everybody and what y'all doing with that money?
Speaker 2 (58:47):
Light stay out for two three weeks, uh man.
Speaker 1 (58:52):
But I am I'm so glad that we ever to
get Brittany and Demichael long he goes by Mikey. I'm
glad we were able to get that family on Nightcap.
This is what we try to do, Oho and I.
We try to bring you know, we try to whether
it's stories like this, or there's an athlete or whatever
the case may be. We just try to give you
the best show that we possibly can on a given night.
(59:12):
And this was supposed to be a very routine night
talk about the National Championship game. There's some other sports
stories that's circulating. But when the opportunity and it just
goes to show you Ojo, because the person reached out
to me and there's like a A h I'm gonna
ask you something. I was like, yeah, what's your what's up?
She's like, uh, would you like to have the couple
(59:34):
on that you and Ojo talked about. There's like they
saw this, they saw your story. I was like really,
there's like yeah, and they want they want to share
it with you.
Speaker 2 (59:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (59:46):
I called Ash, I said, ask guess what. She's like
what I said, because she always asked you what? I said, Uh,
you know the couple we were talking about in that
video last night. They want gonna come and share the story.
Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
Yeah. She's like really. I was like yeah, and you
know all what you like?
Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
I said, we're on the East coast, it's gonna be
late there in Ohio, and it's like it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
We want to come home yeah and be able to
have it.
Speaker 5 (01:00:19):
I'm gonna say, man, listen to the story is inspiring.
Speaker 4 (01:00:21):
Which we also have to understand is situations like this
has been going on for a very long time.
Speaker 5 (01:00:27):
Situations, situations like this are going to continue.
Speaker 4 (01:00:29):
To happen, So they're telling their story and also inspiring
people and understanding his background and his history and how
far he's coming. Being able to transition and getting a
second chance but most of us aren't afforded, can also
prevent those that might get that one chance where it's
in a situation where you know, everybody ain't getting no
(01:00:50):
second chance.
Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
Yeah, everybody ain't geting no second chance.
Speaker 4 (01:00:53):
So being able to do a few situations to de
escalate situations and having rife steate of mind, you know
in place when stuff like this happens. You know, maybe
not to this magnetude, but in another scenario, you got
to be on point. You got to be on point
at all times. So they're gonna test you now.
Speaker 1 (01:01:13):
Yeah, but I took a lot of a lot of
from that because, like you said, he could have reacted
in such a way that wouldn't been beneficial to his family,
and it definitely would have been beneficial to the woman
that invaded his privacy and it's his space. But I'm
glad he handled the situation the way he handled it,
So thank you. Mikey and Brittany for sharing your story
with us on Nightcap, and we wish you the best
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after O Joe and I discussed the game. Yeah, oh Joe.
The Buck Guys take down the Fighting Irish to win
the Nighty. The Buck Guys meet the Fighting Irish thirty
four to twenty three to win the inaugural twelve team
(04:52):
college football Playoff. Is their first national championship since they
wasn't the first one, didn't he Yeah, they won the
first one the fourteen playoffs in twenty fourteen, and so
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yards Ohio State for forty five No to Dame to
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to Dame, fifty three passing yards. Will Howells was seventeen
of twenty one, two thirty one, two touchdowns, no interception.
Riley Leonard was twenty of thirty two thirty eight, two touchdowns,
no interceptions. Ryan Day now has as many national titles
and Ohio status Jim Treptel and Urban Meyer.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Forty five year old Day is now seventy and ten.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
And I think he has the third best winning percentage
of somebody in the first minimum of fifty games.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
First fifty games, he's done that. So he's had an
impressive run.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
And now after all those wins and all those guys
that he sent to the NFL.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Guess what, he has an one title.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
He finally, Oh Joe watching this game, I saw you
tweet like, hey, can we start nightcap early? What were
you thinking? I mean you saw it, I mean not
to They didn't go right down the field, lokho. They
take ten minutes off the clock and they get a touchdown.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
So now you're like, okay, we might have a ball game.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
Well, listen, I thought we were going to have a
ball game, but I had to think about Obviously, there
were no adjustments that were able to be made by
Ohio State the game. On both sides of the ball,
nobody had settled in. Yet nobody had settled it in.
So it's the first drive. Normally, you know when it
when it comes to an NFL game, a college game,
even a high school game. Most of the time, the
FIRSD drive of the game, you go down the score.
(06:32):
If you're a good team, if you're a DC team,
go down the score, and then adjustments are made going
into the second drive and outside of that and then
actual football game happens itself. It looked like to me
at the point I sent the tweet out, it looked like,
I'm not gonna know.
Speaker 5 (06:48):
The Dame has been good all year.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
They lost more game, They've been good all year, but
it just looked like they didn't belong.
Speaker 5 (06:54):
It looked like they were overmatched. They were overmatched.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
As most people would say, if you were a game
man and you were the better on a team to
win this game based on what they did throughout the
entire for the season, and based on the skill sets
at the different positions and who had the upper hand,
you would have bet with Ohio State.
Speaker 5 (07:11):
And they showed up to night.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
They put enough space in between them when Notre Dame
got the ball rolling where they didn't have enough time
to come back.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Yeah, I thought they got kind of got conservative.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Also, they just started just running the football, trying to
run the clock out, and they got away from the
offense and they allowed Notre Dame to gain some momentium.
Notre Dame did a good job of punching the ball
out from the receiver. He picked up twenty four yards
and the guy came from behind him and punched the
football out. But I thought, like, look, the strong suit
of Notre Dame is their defense. The strong suit of
(07:44):
Ohio State is their offense. Now could Notre dames offense
do enough damage to Ohio State's defense? And I didn't
think that, you know, once it got I thought for me,
once the guy scored got fourteen seventeen, I remember calling
myself like it's over, justore, I said, but nah, I said,
but you look look at them how they're just moving
the ball down the field with little to no resistance
(08:06):
will So I was like, yeah, so over the next day,
you know, it's twenty one to seven, it's twenty eight seven.
I thought it was about to be really be over Ocho.
I thought it was about to go to thirty five
to seven. They end up kicking kicking the field goal
and Ohio State gets some momentum when they when they
got the fumble, but Ohio State was the superior team.
(08:26):
I always felt that if they played their best when
when the color, when the format was the twelve teams
that were you know, we're gonna play for the national championship.
I like, if Ohio State plays their best, they're the
best team in football because they got an offense that
can with the superior athletes, and they played twenty million
dollars for a roster. It was just the matter were
they going to play their best on a given day
(08:47):
because we've seen them struggle. You know, this is the
team that was what three touchdown favorite lose at home
to Michigan. Yeah, so if they played their best, I
didn't think any team could beat them.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Now they are teams that have okay, got a.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Really good defense, that's social offense, really good offense, social defense.
I thought Texas was probably the closest thing to him,
and we saw Texas take him down to the wide
then they get that strip sack and then for some
distance between them.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
But Ohio State. Congratulations to Ryan Day.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
I mean, he calls a lot of criticism, I think,
and I think it was warranted, and then people don't
want to like just look at it that he won
the national championship, but he's under achieved with the players
that he had on that roster.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Yes, those receivers that he sent to the NFL.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Those d lineman, those DB's, those offensive linemen, and now
this is his first title.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Can't take that away from him. He hasn't.
Speaker 5 (09:35):
You can't. You can't take it away from now.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
And you talk about all the players he's had, all
the players that have gone into the draft, first round picks,
second round picks, but you also have to remember the
teams that he lost so to, lost to Tea. Uh
that the teams that he's lost to, you know throughout
those years, they also had first round picks.
Speaker 5 (09:51):
You know they they.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Have Marvin Harrison Junior, and Jackson Smith and Jagba and
Olave and and and and and who is that? What's
the Garret Wilson and Denzel Award? Uh and what's the
what's the other guy name?
Speaker 2 (10:07):
You see? You see what you're doing too, is you're naming.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
You're naming players that played for the Ohio State, some
of them from not at the same time, some did
play together, but also the team that they played that
they lost to, they played well.
Speaker 5 (10:18):
Together as a team.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
Now, I can't call out all the names of the
players that played on the teams that they lost to
in the past. Yeah, it was catching some of the
flat that he had. Yes through the teams that they
did lose to. These weren't no slouches. Now they lose
to some boys.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Back to back national championship, National champions and the Big
Ten Michigan last year, this year, Ohio State, Ohio. I mean,
the big tat is feeling really good now, Like, Okay,
what's up?
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Sec?
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Well, what what what? What's really what's good? What's really
really really happening? But I mean when you just look
at them, I mean the athletes that they got at
the skill position, you know, the running back, the wide receivers.
You know, hey, Jeremiah Smith is gonna be a first
gonna be a top pick, just like Marvin Harrison Jr.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Just like all these other guys, all the other receivers.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
That they've had o'lave and Garrett Wilson and Jackson Smith
and Jigbook.
Speaker 5 (11:15):
I have a questions.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
As polished, as polished as Jeremiah Smith is, as NFL
ready as he looks, how soon can he come out
in the draft.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
He's a freshman junior year.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
Oh so so it's in junior yar, No matter what
you did, no matter what, Okay, no matter what.
Speaker 5 (11:34):
Think about this, Look how we look this year as
a freshman.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
Imagine improvement that happened in the off season, and how
are you gonna look at the sophomore. I wouldn't be
surprised unless a quarterback comes out of nowhere. Maybe an
Archie Manny would be the only one. Archie Manny is
the only one I see ribbling him or giving him
competition for that number one pick, unless there's somebody else
chat maybe in the chat that you might know that
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that's gonna come along that and I don't know about
obviously that's going to be good enough to challenge Jeremiah
Spire for that number one picking. What twenty twenty seven
to twenty twenty eight.
Speaker 6 (12:07):
Guy.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
But here's the thing, though, oh Joe, theoretically Archie Manau
can come out next year.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
This will be a junior year. Yeah, remember he's a sophomore.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Ah, he is a sophomore, that's right, So this be
his rising junior year.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Okay, okay, So theoretically he could come out after this year.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
I'm not saying that he would. His uncle stayed all
four years. And you know, obviously money is not the issue. No,
And the thing is for now of these guys to
look at it. The quicker I can come out, the
quicker I can get to that second contract that's going
to be now three hundred million dollars.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
Yeah, but you also have to be careful, especially at
the quarterback position. I know you're Manning, but are you ready?
Are you ready to be able to play at the
next level?
Speaker 7 (12:51):
Have you been?
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Have you been?
Speaker 4 (12:53):
Like I like using the word polished because you can
tell at the collegiate level when the player is polished
enough and already ready for the NFL NFL level. Now,
for Archie Manning, if you do come out early, you
have to understand you're going to a team that's bad.
Is the situation right, the team that happened to be
picking first.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Or second they can pull a power move. Are you
going to the.
Speaker 5 (13:12):
Situation that that that suits you?
Speaker 4 (13:15):
You know where you can be okay, that has somewhat
of a support cast where you can succeed.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Even so many factors come into play at that point
in time.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
MOCHORID doesn't matter if you're ready, somebody's about to have
somebody's about to hand you fifty million dollars and all
of it's going to be fully guaranteed. And now you're
one step closer to three hundred million. That's what guys
are looking at, O yo. Because the law, all you
do is kick the can down the road until you
get to that big payday. Because quarterbacks they're redoing their
deal after that third year. Everybody else normally wasts after
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the fourth year.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
But you've got to think about some quarterbacks that are
in in very good situation do their deals after the
third year, like a CD shroud like. But look what
happened to a Tree Lance who also went early, you know, yes,
kicking down the can down the road. And look he
went to a situation that wasn't suitable for you long term,
and now you're the back of it.
Speaker 5 (14:07):
The third string with the Cowboys.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
He got beat out.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
What you meant it was they sold Brock pretty beat
him out. I mean he look he got Oh, Joe,
you mean to tell me you actually think somebody will
trade what they traded two first rounds, a second, and
a third and won a seventh round.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Mister irrelevant to take his spot.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Yeah, just imagine what would have happened if they don't
take Brock pretty and Trey Lanson is their quarterback. Kyle
Shanahan and John Lynch would get fired. He saved their job.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Yeah, yes, yeah, you can't.
Speaker 7 (14:43):
You can't.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
You can't that draft, Oh Joe, you can't trade all
that draft capital right cause if he doesn't pan out,
you duck? Yeah yeah, how do you rebuild if you're
giving away all your draft capital capitals?
Speaker 4 (14:58):
Ading question? They moved too fast? Was he really that bad?
Just think about it if you if you remember, was
he that bad? Maybe Purty was that good? Now, no
disrespect to party. Yeah look look look look what's surrounding him?
Come on now and guess.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
What Trey Lance had that surrounding him and he couldn't
make it work like that?
Speaker 5 (15:20):
Yeah, okay, I'm just curious we all talking.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Oh Joe, I could give you the same ingredients did
I give? Did I give Bobby Flay? I give Gordon Ramsey?
I kill for these stopped by shelf it don't batter.
You can't make it work like they make it work?
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Right right right? Right?
Speaker 5 (15:37):
Perty was a better fit?
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Purty was. I don't think he better.
Speaker 5 (15:41):
I don't think he's a better quarterback. I don't know
if that makes sense.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
I don't know if that makes sense to you, because listen,
if if and when we where we saw from fields,
I'm about the field what we saw from Trey Lance,
the small, very very very small sample size where Jerry
Jones pulled that, you know what bull crap. He looked great,
he looked good, he looked decent. He looked like a
quarterback that can be at the hem and be a
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leader of men. So i'thing like I'm thinking to myself, well,
damn if you run in the office like this and
it ain't that bad.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
What was the province down there in San Francisco. I
don't know, Oh Joe.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
I mean, like I said, I just I think the
thing is, like, you know, when you give up that
kind of capital for a guy, you want him to succeed, Yeah,
because it makes you look bad. The reason the only
reason we're not talking about how big a mistake that
was is because brock perty has played so well. He's
got him into the NFC Championship Game, he's taking him
to the Super Bowl, So we forget what a colossal
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mistake drafting him and trading all that capital to get
him was because had it not been for that, I'm
not so sure if they survived that. I don't know
if a team can can survive you give up that much,
because think about it, to move up, you gave him
the next year's first round pick, you gave him a
second round pick, a third round pick.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
That's your future a lot.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Yeah, and so you're hoping, oh, we give that up,
So what we're gonna be picking in the late twenties,
maybe even thirty thirty, thirty one, thirty two because we
made a deep playoff run but low and behold, guess
what you give up that pick and look where you are.
And so yeah, it was really tough. And I think,
you know, I think Rock Party really saved John Lynchend
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and Kyle Shanahan's careers in San Francisco, because if you don't,
if that doesn't pan out with Trey Lance, where do
you go from there?
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Tom? But it's gonna be it.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
It's gonna be very interesting to see how the forty
nine ers played this thing out. O Joe, because rock
Perty is gonna want fifty million.
Speaker 5 (17:40):
No no no, no, no no no no no no no No.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
I'm just gonna tell you what you want. I'm not
saying they're gonna have to do something.
Speaker 5 (17:45):
It ain't about what he wants.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Now.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
If they gonna do something he can get, he can get.
Like with Sam Donald, probably go in the gig in Minnesota.
Speaker 5 (17:51):
I doubt they.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
I doubt I doubt Sam dnld. They never went to
an NFC championship game. Sam dlady never went to a
play getting went to a super Bowl. I know guys
that have gotten fifty million and ain't never been to
a super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (18:09):
I think he'll probably get somewhat of a bigger Mayfield
type deal. I have to understand the success on why
rock perty has been able to do with what he's
done so far today, the supporting cast, Look what he
has around him, are you Tim Williams, Christian McCaffrey, Jordan Mason,
uh Devo, Samuels person, I mean like we come on with.
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They mean even management, even management knows. I know when
you talk today and you can't be disrespectful. You have
to understand. Can Brock Purty go somewhere else and elevate
the team around him and elevate the players around him?
Or does he have to have players that are good
to elevate his player, he has a different.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
There are a lot of quarterback that they're not.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
There are not a lot of quarterbacks that are forced
multipliers that they can elevate everybody else. You believe Sam
Dna can go somewhere else and elevate somebody.
Speaker 5 (18:57):
No, because even have done it in Carolina or New York.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
Okay, then so look what happens when you put him
around Jettis you know, and in Madison or Madison, well,
do you see what you get it? Obviously they folded
in the playoffs, but that's what happened. You have a
great supporting cast around you, and that can be management's argument,
that could be the gym's argument, and the agent in
the quarterback has to be realistic. Where else can you
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go and play the way you've played with us outside
of this past season right nowhere? Look how you played
when everybody got hurt. True, but back to this, uh
this Ohio State. Ohio State.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Definitely, Ryan Day definitely gets the monkey off his back,
O Joe. Now we'll see Kenny string something together. It's
gonna be it's it's it's much more difficult now, O
Joe to win because you got twelve teams and you know, one.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Game and it's over. You know, they started out against
what in.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Indiana and then I think now, yeah, I think they
started out with Indiana and then they beat Oregon. Then
they beat Texas. So instead of winning two games, now
you got to win four. You gotta win four games. Yeah,
and but I think the thing is is a lot eat.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Guess what when you win.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Alumni boosters they want to pour money because they like
that feeling. They like the they like getting the gear
ojoe with twenty twenty five national champs.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
That's what they like. And it says, Okay, this is
what it's gonna.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Take in order for us to stay up here because
other teams they're gonna try to regroup. Georgia's like, uh uh,
I don't like this feeling. You know, your Alabama's your Texas.
Speaker 7 (20:31):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
You know, I think, if I'm not mistaken, I think
SORR signed a new seven year deal.
Speaker 7 (20:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Uh these teams, you know, everybody is looking to come back.
It's gonna be interested to see how No the name
plays this thing, because you know, they had some success
this year.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
I don't know how much they spend in the portal.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
But it's gonna come to a point in time, Ojo,
you're gonna have to aay, you gotta do what you
gotta do. Yeah, it's really if it's really, it's really
that simple, old You gotta do what you gotta do.
Speaker 5 (21:02):
You got you gotta put your money with my fists.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
You gotta put your money where your buyfields. And these
big time programs they got fifteen twenty million dollars thirty
you know, fifteen twenty twenty five million dollars.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Hey, yea, I need a quarterback. It's gonna cost me
in one to two million dollars. I need a top back,
top running back.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
That's gonna cost me four to six hundred top flight
receiver sixty million, a d Lineman line back.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Ay, bro, it's gonna cost you.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
And oh, you're talking about an eighteen nineteen year old,
Oh Joe, that's gonna have six hundred, seven hundred million dollars.
Speaker 5 (21:32):
Out of the gate.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
Gate somebody being able to secure your family a head
start in security your family, Yes, a hand start, you.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Know, mama, A damning projects. We ain't in the projects,
no more. We ain't in section ain't no more, Mama,
no mama got three. We about to get three four
bad rooms with a garage.
Speaker 5 (21:54):
And it's so funny how the landscape of the NFL,
I mean the NFL.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
It's so funny how the landscape of collegiate football has changed,
especially for the power of five schools, especially when you
have certain boosters that are willing to spend to ensure
that you can win.
Speaker 5 (22:06):
Everything is paid the plate.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Oh yo, baby, lead that they could lead that student athlete,
issh along now and that's student that a this pay
for play. These guys making money now, yeah, all that
the student athletes. And I'm going to get an education. Okay,
that'll be nice. That that'll be nice if you get
that along the way. But uh, fall back on it's
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something nice. But he like this kid from Michigan that
got twelve and a half million.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
Hey, I have a question on time out come. Are
they exaggerating the numbers or is it really well? It
is a really tendanty got he got some other perks too, Uh,
who is that? What's the guy that at Oracle Larry Ellison?
Speaker 1 (22:54):
His wife went to Michigan and so he kepped being
He's like whatever it takes to get this kid let's gee.
Speaker 4 (23:01):
You see what happened and you have alumni like that.
Now that yeah, he's a third what is he the
third riches I think he's the third richest man in
the world. It wasn't than twenty billion. Man was twelve
what's twelve million dollars than him?
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Nothing.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
So even if I did, if I did ten percent,
even if I did five percent, that's like, that's like,
that's like one hundred thousand, that's like a thousand dollars
to me, and you twelve million is him, It's like
a thousand dollars to you or not?
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Right, he ain't missing that, not.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
A chance because he wanted he wants his uh, he
wants to see his program or his wife program succeed.
But this is where we are now, Joe, this student
athlete bullgeie. It's never been that. It's always been that,
but it was always hush hush okay, Hey yeah, I
get you this charger, this challenge, this cat pack, this
you know this, you know what I'm saying, what hey,
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this cat pack, I get you this SRG eight, I
get you to know, I get you this hell cat.
You know I'm saying. It was that going on. It
was the Backwood deals. All of a sudden, Damn, how y'all,
bro y'all was just at the project with us. How
y'all in this three bedroom cross Town. Now, yeah, now
everything is above the board, guy, and it ain't no
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more challenges.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Guys, driving ferraris than Lambeau. You see what your doer had.
Speaker 5 (24:20):
But see listen, you gotta you gotta you gotta be
one of them. Now you gotta be one.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
Yes, if you one of them, you could already start
your NFL career. And the image is if you already
made it, you got to be him.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
So you know these the top, the top guys, they're
gonna be getting you know, three four million dollars a year.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Arch many gonna be baking for five million. He's a made.
He probably have made ten eleven million dollars on yo,
are ready? And you know, hey, he come from you
know Cooper, Cooper ain't payting an ELI. But he ain't hurting, No,
ain't hurting at all. You know what I'm saying. Yeah,
he's stashing all his money.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
And I just hope guys that are getting this money
they're getting very sound financial advice, because that's taxes you're
in that bracket.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
You make up with four hundred thousand. You in that bracket, bracket,
in that bracket.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
Day.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
So in other words, you made two hundred thousand, You
didn't make four hundred. You make two hundred because uncle
say I want his cut. Uncle say, I'm the only
guy that don't go to work and get half your money. Yeah,
and he don't play too.
Speaker 5 (25:22):
If he don't, if he don't get it, if you
don't get it, if he don't get it, he's gonna
knocking your door down the line.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Oh he gonna get it. It's just a matter of fact.
When do he get it?
Speaker 1 (25:31):
Because he already know what you got because they can
see everything, like, oh, you ain't got it like you
used to have it. Huh okay, Oh oh you know
interest because they put that compound interest on your ass.
Oh you can't pay it, And guess what, We're gonna
just put the interest on it until you do pay
it all back. Now, they they when they owe you,
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they give you a little bit of interest you owe them,
they compound that interest. So but congratulations to the buck eyes.
So you saw the br Bryce Harper was there. He's
a big Ohio State fan. Two times n L m
VP Lebron was there. A lot of the stars were out. Uh,
it's kind of not my thing, uh to go. Like
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I said, I don't really know anybody that's playing college football.
I'm not a big you know, I like college football,
but I mean me going to a game, It's not
like the NBA for me, O Joe. Like I said,
if I had a friend, somebody had a son that's playing, Okay, yeah,
I go check it out.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Yeah, I'm I'm a root for yeah yeah right.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
If I mean tonight, I mean I would I would
have loved I would have loved to go to go
to the game. Obviously I would have been able to
watch Brian Clark's son. I would have been able to
watch him play. Actually actually being able to watch Jeremiah Smith.
It would it would have been nice to play. But
just going to a game, you know, you know, experience
the atmosphere, just to watch two players that I can
watch it home on TV.
Speaker 5 (26:49):
I mean, it's it's I love crime.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
If Colorado in the National Championship game, I would have went,
oh yeah yeah. But other than that, now it was
O Joe without any further Ado. I'd like to welcome
is about We're gonna welcome to Michael Jenkins. He's a
caesar or real estate development investor, custom home designer as
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well as chief operator, officer and owner of three D
Vision and unfortunately OJO he was involved in a disgusting
racial profiling act outside of his own home.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
And so welcome Mikey. Congratulations to your Buck guys. Well done.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
I know you, so I'm surprised you you got on
your your Buck guy shirt. But congratulations to your Buck guys.
To you and I think that's if that's your wife. Yeah, yeah,
congratulations man, Thank you for joining us.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
Mike. If you can go back, I know it was
a November and here we are in late January.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
If you can recount the events as you remember as
vivid as you possibly can.
Speaker 7 (27:51):
Yeah, I can remember. It wasn't too long ago. I
was leaving one of my real estate job sites in
the Inner City. Wrapping it up for today is about
five fifteen to me, about forty five minutes to get
I'm proud to go home saying. It's something I want
you to know is when they say it's an affluent neighborhood,
it's one of the most wealthy neighborhoods in the Ohio. Wow, congrats,
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And my house is the best house. And don't talk
about because I come on that I've designed it from
scrap I'm an architectural designer. I bought the land, I
financed the land, designed it from scraps, and I built
it from the ground deck using all my resource. So
proud to come home. I'm pulling up, checking out my
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Christmas lights we just put up for the holiday season.
And there happens to be a lady in the driveway
with two kids. So I don't think nothing of it.
Kids coming in in and out of my house all
the time, I got kids, got a family over here.
I'm thinking nothing of it. I think I think she's
looking for the front door. I say, hey, are you
Are you looking for somebody? She doesn't answer. She being
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proceeds to go through the porch. So I'm okay, so
she's probably coming over. So I pull in the driveway. Uh,
I'm about to park, and she rings the doorbell and
comes to the front of the front porch and stops
me and says, do you live here? And I said, yeah,
I live here. She said, well I don't think so,
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so I well, what are you doing here? She says,
I don't think you live here, kicks the kid, kid up,
drops the stroller, pops off the porch, starts running, and
I hear screaming yelling for help. At that point, now
I'm in fear. I'm in fear because I know what
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we face as black man in the mirror. So I
rushed to the garage. Parking the garage, coming to the house.
My wife's in the office. I said, bad, some white,
uh Paucasian lady. She just jumped off our front porch, screaming,
yelling for help. I don't know if she gonna call police.
I'm pacing back and forth. I don't know what's about
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to happen. Six pm, regular day. We pac him back
and forth. I don't At this point, I'm like, I
don't know what's about to happen. She comes back before
the police gets here. I don't want to go outside.
I don't want to go outside with them outside and
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the police pulls up and we're I don't know what's
going to pop off if police pull up, or to
pay it happened, anything could happen. I know they're going
to tide dun it. So my wife's come outside and
she just wants to wants to figure out what's going
on because she's in shock. And I'll let her say
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how she ended up coming outside or whatnot. Okay, would
he come when he came home? And he said, you know,
I was going to ask you. Oh.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
He comes into the house, he says, Babe, there's a
white lady standing on my on our porch. She's running, yelling, screaming.
I don't know what this is about, and so what's
going through your mind? When he explains what he just encountered.
Speaker 8 (31:04):
I was in my office working and I'm confused.
Speaker 9 (31:06):
I'm not understanding what's going on, Like, what do you
mean as a white woman running scroming for help, dreaming
for help for what.
Speaker 8 (31:12):
He's like, I don't know, And immediately my I just
heart dropped.
Speaker 9 (31:16):
I'm like walking and pacing back and forth like okay,
just wait, just wait, look, okay, well what happened nothing.
Speaker 8 (31:23):
I was just pulling in the house and I'm like,
what is she screaming for? He's like I don't know, and.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
I'm like what.
Speaker 9 (31:31):
What? And I keep opening up the door because I
feel like the police is gonna come here, somebody is
about to come here, and I don't know what's gonna happen.
I don't even know what fully happened. I didn't hear anything.
I'm in the house working. So she goes and so
I kept opening up the door and that's when I
came out.
Speaker 7 (31:49):
So she called.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
So she did end up calling the police.
Speaker 8 (31:52):
She did end up calling the police.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Yes, oh okay, So let me ask you a question.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
Now.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
This happened in November. The video just recently got released.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
What called you guys to release because I'm glad this
is on rereen camera because You're absolutely right. Had this
not been captured on camera on video, we already know
the story that was gonna be told and how it
was gonna be spun.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
But you guys had it on camera. What made you
guys finally decide to release it?
Speaker 8 (32:18):
Well?
Speaker 9 (32:18):
I actually released the video in our community Facebook group.
We have a community Facebook group about five hundred or
so people, and it ever since I've been like, we've
been chattered, we've been upset, we've been it's so many
different factors and so many different feelings, so many different feelings.
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I hit the video in our community Facebook group to
share what happened and it took a lot for me
to do that, and then we woke up in the
video everywhere.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
You know what's funny, it's one thing that experienced racial
profiling in public, you know, in public. I'm sure we
all have stories where it happens in that setting, will
or to happen in your own home. I mean, it
can be, it can be unsettling, It could be, it
can be uncomfortable, especially when it comes to a place
that you call a place of a place of peace. Yeah,
well we can all get away from, you know, from
the outside world. Has that affected your sense sense of
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security and trust in the neighbors and and have you
reconciled in any way with the neighbor who calls these issues?
Speaker 9 (33:22):
Of course there's a lot of trust. Of course, it
makes us feel unwelcome and unsafe. We have two boys,
and he leaves our family. He protects our family. So
to know that we can't go walk the dog or
if someone looking at us is what's gonna happen. It's
a lot of way, it's a lot of pain, and
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it's a lot of emotion. I can and he's be
synicized to this.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
I'll still hear it in your voice.
Speaker 8 (33:49):
Oh, of course it not once that we got uh.
Speaker 9 (33:56):
I thought the next day maybe there would be a
flower of the door or saying a pop. Not once,
how this person unched out to us to give us
a clear apology.
Speaker 6 (34:05):
Oh h a, I reached out thea immediately after it happened.
Nobody said anything immediately after it happened. Ho a ghosted me.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
For lack of better words, can I ask you this
priord to that night, proud to that incident.
Speaker 10 (34:23):
Had you ever seen this woman prior to this incident.
I've been in the neighborhood for three years. I built
the house from the ground up. I know the developers
in the neighborhood. I lived in the front of the
neighborhood while I built the house. I walked to the
job site every day.
Speaker 7 (34:39):
So have I seen her eye for eye No, I've
walked by her house and seen them on the front porch,
so she's.
Speaker 9 (34:48):
Seen when they came, I didn't recognize Goo ahead, ma'am,
go ahead, I.
Speaker 8 (34:53):
Didn't recognize them.
Speaker 9 (34:53):
But but I was gonna say it's a ninety or
more of the neighborhood is predominantly occasion.
Speaker 8 (35:01):
So where one of one black.
Speaker 7 (35:04):
Family from the neighborhood, and our house sits all the
way in the back of the neighborhood, and that people
ride by and take pictures every day, and there's a
lot of publicity with our house. So it really was.
It was shocking. But they stay to theyself in the neighborhood.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Let me ask you this. Will you walk up and
you ask what can I help you with? And she says,
is this your house? You say yeah, and she says,
I don't believe you when someone tells you they're standing
on your porch and they tell that's not their property,
and they tell you that this is not your property.
(35:44):
What went through your mind when someone is standing on
your porch and they said, well, you don't live here.
Speaker 7 (35:49):
Well, that's when I was battle tested as a black net,
as an at then the present. That's you know, had
to transition and learn how to put pride and ego
to the side and control your emotion. Okay, that's when
I kicked in. That was a that was the ultimate
battle test because in my mind, I said, the audacity,
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the audacity of her, that was in my mind, but
I could I had to control my emotions in the
moment because I knew where it could have escalated at
I'm thinking, well, what if she what if she had
a gun? What she had been running or what I
have been running?
Speaker 1 (36:29):
Is this a situation? Because now she said, well, you
have to see it from my point of view. No,
I don't need to see anything from your point of
view when you standing your you know what on my porch.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
But for her to say, well, you just say, well,
I really live here. I live here. I don't have
to identify myself. This is mine. Why do I have
to tell you who I am when you standing on
my property?
Speaker 7 (36:49):
It's I mean, it's it's it's it's. It took everything
out of me, you know, not to get out of character.
And especially when they came back. You know, she brought
her husband back. He was stand off.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
I was.
Speaker 7 (37:01):
I was scared to go outside, but I said on it.
I was listening. I said, I can't let my wife
sit out here with these people. What if the police
pull up? So you know, I went outside and I
just had to make my face now and I had
to let them know I do live here. A black
man does live here. I did build this house from
the ground up. I did design this house. I had
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to show my face, and as soon as I came outside,
you could tell they switched it all the way up.
Let's get out of here, let's go. Uh, they switch
it all the way up.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
When the police arrived, What did the police say? Okay?
Speaker 9 (37:37):
What?
Speaker 7 (37:38):
What?
Speaker 1 (37:38):
What was the side of the story that they told
the police? And then what did the police? What was
the interaction once the authorities arrived.
Speaker 7 (37:45):
I hid it in the house. I didn't talk to
the police. I'm not come out there with them. Those
police might gun me down.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
So you let your wife. I hit it in the out,
so you let your wife.
Speaker 7 (37:56):
Have I let her handle that.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
Okay?
Speaker 8 (37:58):
What I made I mean, I made a report. I
made a police report.
Speaker 9 (38:04):
It was emotional to make a police report because we
all know what happens and you call the police. So
I had to think to myself, do I go outside
and start Do I let them come inside?
Speaker 2 (38:16):
Do I sit up?
Speaker 8 (38:17):
Do I sand down? Do I let my son? Do
I let my son be st in here? How do
I explain this end?
Speaker 9 (38:23):
And even explaining and sharing that this lady racially profiled
as she ran from her house, framing there's no telling
what people can think. My son came home from work
who's seventeen and said, Mom, what about taking out the trash?
Speaker 8 (38:38):
What if she had a gun?
Speaker 2 (38:40):
What are the like?
Speaker 8 (38:41):
What's the whole? Are the police here?
Speaker 5 (38:44):
That's crazy?
Speaker 8 (38:45):
Hey, this but I knew I haven't made the report.
Speaker 5 (38:49):
And despite the difficulties of the situation you've been through, you.
Speaker 4 (38:54):
Guys, or are you guys moving forward with reclaiming your
sense of safety being that it is home and in
any way despite them not you know, giving sincere apologies
or letting you know that.
Speaker 5 (39:08):
We welcome you here in our home, especially Hioa and
the neighbor it selves.
Speaker 4 (39:12):
Do you still have hope and motivation to keep sharing
your story from this point on for others that might
encounter these situations in ways they can prevent things from
happening and being able to de escalate those situations.
Speaker 7 (39:26):
Uh. I have nothing against their family, but I grew
up dealing with this all the time. So we still
have to live here. They live two streets. Oh, we
have to ride by each other's house. Uh. I'm okay
with being cordial with riding by each other's house. Uh,
have no issue with them.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (39:46):
The issue is getting a worried out here and letting
my situation and what I've been through and what I
overcome be inspiring to people in the world, people that
look like me. So I'm that's the space I'm in,
and I'm thankful for God because I didn't ask for
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her to show up on my porch. This is God's
movement here, This is God telling me that people need
to hear your story. You need to inspire, You need
to tell people what's going on and use this so
that hopefully this won't happen to the next person or
the next person that comes across the Karen situation, they
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will know how to control their emotion. Because us, as
black man, especially young black men, we struggled with that,
We struggled with that impulse, with that that acting we have.
We we think irrationally and we never think rationally. So
I'm here to inspire people. I'm a real estate developer.
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I build houses from the ground up, single family houses.
But I thought that moving into the most wealthiest neighborhood
in Ohio, that this was the right thing to do.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
But maybe.
Speaker 7 (41:04):
My focus needs to be build communities that's for us
and buy us so that we can inspire people that
looks like us. We can we can build a community.
Speaker 5 (41:18):
That's for us.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
Can ask your question. You said something very interesting. You said,
she lives two streets up from you. So you mean
to tell me she went two streets out of her
way to try to find out who lived in this home.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
Not on your streets, not on your not on your streets,
not on your block, not next to you. Two streets.
Speaker 7 (41:39):
It's too streets up, but it's she's all the way north,
we're all the way down. It's more time, million dollar
house back here. The lots are big, so it's two streets,
but it's still we can go thirty days, sixty ninety
days without seeing each other.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
So she went out of her way. Let me ask
you this. She she issued an apology.
Speaker 1 (42:02):
She also said that she reached out to you and
tried to apologize multiple times, but she hasn't had a
response from you. Has she tried to Did she apologiy
to apologize to you in person, or was it through
this video that you guys have seen.
Speaker 9 (42:17):
She has not tried to apologize as a person, be
a phone, via knock at the door, via a phone
called bea email. Note only the live videos.
Speaker 1 (42:27):
Now, apparently, if we were to believe what the report
says that this woman has a history going back as
far as twenty eighteen of creating these situations and then
making herself out to be a victim.
Speaker 2 (42:38):
Have you guys seen that.
Speaker 1 (42:39):
Have y'all seen any of those reports that's being circulated.
Speaker 2 (42:44):
I'm not that I have not seen And to ask
you this, I want to ask you this.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
Have you thought about since your privacy your security, have
you thought about potentially even leaving that neighborhood and going
elsewhere or you saying, now, y'all not going to run
us up out our home.
Speaker 7 (43:02):
One percent. I've been in Ohio my whole life, and
I faced racial discrimination at its highest peak. I'm a
stereo type person, tattoos, dreadlock, a man that's in the
professional world, in the real estate development world that you
don't see too many minorities building multi million dollar home
It doesn't have to hear. So we one hundred percent
(43:25):
have thought about moving to another state, taking my talents elsewhere,
building a community to go on places where we could
be surrounded by more people that look like us.
Speaker 2 (43:36):
Man, So let me ask you a question. What was
your relationship with the neighborhood.
Speaker 1 (43:40):
Did you have any interaction with your neighbors, like to
the left of you, in front of you, to the
back of you. What's the neighborhood like, I know it's
you mentioned it's a very affluent neighborhood.
Speaker 2 (43:51):
There's a lot of there are wealthy people that live there.
You mentioned million dollar homes.
Speaker 1 (43:55):
What's the relationship with you in the community other than
with this said individual.
Speaker 7 (44:00):
Is So it's the wealthiest neighborhood. And they got it,
saying that once she reached a certain tax practice, race
doesn't matter.
Speaker 2 (44:06):
That's a lie. So it's a lie. But people say that.
People say that.
Speaker 7 (44:13):
So everybody out here, most majority of people out here,
they walk every day, they take pictures of her house,
they say hi. You can ask people in the neighborhood.
Those people are not friendly. They don't say hi, they
don't take too many walks, they don't walk their dog,
they stay in their house. They are staying off. So
(44:34):
the neighborhood is friendly, but I don't know about them.
She says something big. God, go ahead, ma'am.
Speaker 8 (44:41):
I was just fun to say.
Speaker 9 (44:42):
We participate in community events and you know, for the
most part, the neighborhood is friendly. She posted videos after
this happened and the neighbors brought it to us because
they picked two and two together. So that's how we
even found out that they knew about it.
Speaker 1 (45:00):
She mentioned to you as you was walking up. You
have to see her point of view. She's walking her kids,
is late at night. If you're that afraid, why are
you out at night walking your kids? If you afraid
as you say you are, did you like did that
cross your mind? Like, well, if you say you're afraid,
why you out here the dark by yourself? You're married,
(45:21):
your husband's not with you, and you got a small child.
So it can't be that dangerous. You can't be that
fearful of your life if you choose at night to
walk a child.
Speaker 8 (45:32):
It's six o'clock in age, it getting dark early.
Speaker 7 (45:36):
But yeah, we thought about that.
Speaker 9 (45:38):
Of course I wouldn't be out all right walk in
with no no, no, not at all, especially if you
you know, have been through things or whatever, like I'm
not walking that night period.
Speaker 5 (45:51):
That's crazy.
Speaker 8 (45:52):
It is as simple as that.
Speaker 9 (45:53):
And as soon as someone tell me that's their house,
all better off. Okay, Look, you know, if you're scared
and you walk walk home, I said, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (46:01):
I guess I just look at things differently. I've really
never walked by somebody house, Oh you live here? Or
definitely I'm not standing on somebody's porch and asking this
is this their home?
Speaker 2 (46:11):
If they drive up. I'm in the neighborhood.
Speaker 1 (46:13):
I see somebody in the driveway or somebody on the porch,
I throw my hand up.
Speaker 2 (46:16):
I keep it moving.
Speaker 1 (46:18):
I'm not going to stand on someone's ports and ask
them if they live here. That's none of my concern,
not just me. Maybe I'm maybe I don't think I'm
unique in that. Guys, Oh, we ain't know pray, we
ain't nosy like that. Though, we ain't nosey like that. Man,
we see somebody, maybe we turns up the deuce, we
say hello, and we keep it moving. The first thing
(46:39):
we say we see a night house boy. That thing
that I'm saying, it right, and we keep it moving.
It it ain't out business. You mentioned that you have
a seventeen year old son, and as black, we have
to have that conversation with our black young men. Is
that we always it's always yes sir, no sir, it's yes, ma'am,
no ma'am. When you pulled get pulled over. Look, hey,
(47:02):
just be as light as you possibly can, because your
job is to get that man or that woman to
your car, back to their car and on their way
as quick as that you possibly can. It's not about
you know all this and all that. We'll fight it
in court. Whatever it is that they said I was speeding,
if I was improper lane change, I don't have a
tail light, or what ready driving. Let's go to court.
(47:24):
We could argue it in front of a judge, in
front of twelve people. I can't argue. I got to
have you make it home. Have you had to have
that talk with him? Have you had it already or
did you have to have that talk with him immediately
after this incident?
Speaker 8 (47:38):
Absolutely absolutely, it was. It was emotional, and you know,
it was multiple talk. It was multiple talks.
Speaker 9 (47:47):
And even with days where it's like, you know what,
I don't know if you shop all flide and walk
our dogs, let me see, make sure you go out
before it gets thart.
Speaker 8 (47:56):
It's a lot of weight. It's a lot of weight.
Speaker 1 (47:59):
You've received a lot of overwhelming support for social media though,
I mean, everybody's been on your side and the social
media has come to your defense, and like the way
the way you handle it, and you mentioned your situation
having made some decisions in your previous when you were
younger and you learned, and you said, look, I gotta
channel this. I'm not I'm not gonna give them the ability.
(48:20):
It says, I'm angry, and I have every right to
be angry because I'm in dead.
Speaker 2 (48:25):
I'm in the right here.
Speaker 1 (48:27):
But nobody cares about that because all they're going to
look as you as a black man, look at your
history and bring that into the equation when it had
nothing to do with this woman standing on your porch.
If you could people, people gonna watch this, this is
gonna get picked up. If you could say, if what
(48:48):
would you want people to know about you, your family
and how you handle this situation.
Speaker 7 (48:55):
I'm a black man in America. That's overcame every obstacle
that could be thrown at you, growing up, making bad decisions,
being around the wrong people, and being given a second
chance to transition, raising a family, being married. My seventeen
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year old, I've been there since he was six months.
This is this is this is my It's my son,
but he's not my biological I've raised him as he's
my son. I have an eight year old as well.
I'm here to inspire people, to show people that control
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your emotion. Control your emotion, that's that's that's one of
the most powerfulst things that a man can do, because
a dangerous man is a man that can't control his emotion.
So a situation like this that's broadcasting across the world,
you can see that I was given every single reason
(49:59):
to act and I still control my emotions. So I
want to use this moment, this, these platforms to inspire people,
lead people, and to show them what a real man
is and what a real man is supposed to do.
You take care of your family, protect your family, control
(50:21):
your emotions, and that's what we're here to do. And
also build communities. I want to build houses from the
ground up. I want to build communities. I want to
design high end luxury homes. These are things that I
want to do that I got a passion forward that
(50:42):
it's in my bloodline custom custom home builds. My grandpa
was a custom home designer and builder. These are things
that I want to take to the next level and
be known for and show people that in the real
estate industry that we can strive, we can survive, and
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we can do what they do and even bad.
Speaker 1 (51:07):
So that's what I'm here for. Do you have a
sense or when or if you'll ever get your normalcy back?
Because your life has been interrupted. You didn't ask for this,
but as you mentioned before, God don't put on any
more of that's from what we can handle. He chose you,
He chose you for a reason, and the way you
(51:27):
handled yourself in that situation, I'm not so sure a
lot of us. Because she went out of her way.
She had no business on your porch to begin with you.
If she didn't think you lived there, she could ask
that question from the street. You don't bring your tail
on someone that's front porch and then ask them that's
not your place. I can see if you were at
her house and you're asking for a direction and you're like,
(51:48):
are you lost?
Speaker 2 (51:49):
You need help?
Speaker 1 (51:50):
She's in your she's on your property. Did you think
about pressing charges for trespassing?
Speaker 7 (51:55):
We did, and they threw it under the rug. They
filed a police That was nothing that we told them.
We asked for the police report. They never gave it
to us. We had to track them down to get
the police report and looked at it. It was vague.
We thought about pressing charges. We did all that. I thought.
She gave me every right. She's on my profence, that's
self defense. I could have done them down, but I
(52:19):
had to hold my composed you as a man for
my family, because even though it was self defense, it
could have been self defense, not for a black man,
not for us.
Speaker 1 (52:33):
Wow, the Michael, thank you for sharing your story with us.
We really appreciate it. You handled that thing very well.
To your wife, what's your name, ma'am Brittany, You and
the Michael handled it very very well. I'm not so
sure very many people would have handled it with the
class and with the poise that you did. You did
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everything right, and even though you did everything right, it
seems like everything is gone wrong. She was wrong for
coming on to your property. The authorities seem to be
wrong for how they've handled this situation. Hopefully you get
the clarity, you get the judgment, the respect that you
deserve in this situation because you did everything right and seemingly,
(53:14):
as of right now, things have gone wrong. Hopefully, the
Nightcap family, everybody that's in this chat, we're praying for
you that you get your sense of peace, you get
your sense of normalcy and you get everything that you
deserve back tenfold because just talking to you, you're a
good man, writteny, you're a good woman, y'all, a great family, yes,
(53:35):
and you're doing the right thing. So I tip my
hat to you for the way you handle this situation
and continue to be blessed. God's gonna continue to bless
you because you're a good man and you do great
things for the community. And I want to thank you,
oh Cho and I Nightcap family want to thank you
for sharing your story with us.
Speaker 2 (53:55):
We're greatly, greatly appreciated.
Speaker 1 (53:57):
This is gonna go out and you're gonna get an
outpouring of support, and it still wouldn't be enough for
what you guys went through, But I thank you for
sharing your story here with us on Nightcap. Continue to
be blessed, continue success, and we'll talk to you soon
down the road. Appreciating Thank you, guys.
Speaker 2 (54:13):
I will go on.
Speaker 8 (54:14):
I thank you.
Speaker 2 (54:25):
Guys. Oh suo or not.
Speaker 1 (54:26):
We trt to try to tell you when when we
started this, our job was to inform you, to educate you,
to entertain you, and sometimes things is not about It's
not about entertainment. This is not entertaining for us, but
we felt that we needed to bring this story, we
need to give it even even more light. And when
I was approached by you know, would you like to
(54:47):
have this couple on, I said absolutely, And I just
told him, I said, look, we're coming on late, We're
coming on after the game, and so they'd be in
the second block. And they said, we don't care. We
want to share this story. We want to share it
on your platform. And so this is what we try
to do. I mean, yeah, we're a sports show, but
we talk about sports, we talk about culture, we talk
(55:08):
about finance. All we try to do is shared positive
like some things are not a positive, but we want
to show you. We want to show our community that
good can come out of a situation like this. And
the way he handle it, Like I said, don't yo,
I don't know that very many people you standing on
my front porch asking me do I live here?
Speaker 2 (55:28):
I don't know who does, but I just know you don't.
Speaker 4 (55:30):
Well, you know what, A lot of times you have
to think about it, especially when it comes to home,
when it comes to a safety in someone's property.
Speaker 5 (55:39):
Most of the time they meet fire with fire.
Speaker 4 (55:42):
Yes, they're not really that well, that well trained or
verse in de escalating situations. Like Also, another problem that
most of us have is we love challenging authority because
we know our rights, you know, instead of having the mindset, Well,
I tell my kids all the time, you have the
mindset you want to go home exactly your in goal.
Speaker 5 (56:04):
Whether you know all your rights, well, you know everything,
I don't care. You want to go home at the
end of the day.
Speaker 2 (56:09):
That's it, you know.
Speaker 4 (56:11):
But I think if we get to a point where
we understand that even though we know our rights, we
know everything and try to do everything a by the book.
Speaker 5 (56:22):
At the end of the day, you want to get
home to your family.
Speaker 4 (56:26):
In black man, white man, black kid, I mean, whatever,
whatever it may be, learn to de escalate situations. You
don't always have the challenge authority because you you want
to show you smarter and you know this, you know
that at the end of the day, it doesn't matter.
I just want to get home to my kids, and
I'm gonna go into my family.
Speaker 2 (56:45):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (56:46):
Oh Joe, Sometimes you can be in the right and
not be right. Yeah he was in the right, Yeah,
but he knows how this was going to play out.
I don't believe he read. And I meant to ask
him then, and she said she shared it with the
with the with the Facebook community.
Speaker 2 (57:05):
Had she not?
Speaker 1 (57:06):
Had the lady not got on there and started lying
and tried to make it seem like she was the victim.
They just wanted this to go away. They wanted to
go back to their normal life. She interrupted that she
interrupted their peace, and not for a good reason. They
said she lived two streets to the north. They're in
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the back to the south, so you gotta go out
of your way. What it was, Ojo, that big house.
I know, ain't no black man pulling over to this house.
Speaker 2 (57:38):
Why you care?
Speaker 1 (57:39):
You ain't gotta pay one bill, no water, not gas,
not likeing I phoned that property tax or nothing?
Speaker 2 (57:45):
Why you care?
Speaker 7 (57:51):
Me?
Speaker 1 (57:51):
A part of a part of me, A part of me.
I understand that it's normalcy and it's peace, and it's
safety has been impacted. But I kind of don wanted
to move. I think that's kind of what they want
him to do because they mentioned that they might be
one on one in that neighborhood, and they got the
biggest lot in that neighborhood, and they kind of want
him out.
Speaker 2 (58:09):
N I ain't going nowhere, y'all leave, I ain't going nowhere.
This is mine. I bought this.
Speaker 1 (58:18):
And then they said they've been getting the run around
from the authorities and have I don't know what a
cho a do anyway. They full of car car. They
don't do nothing. That's just another way. That's just another
way to get one hundred and fifty two undre threehundred
dollars a month.
Speaker 2 (58:34):
Yeah, to do what Hell, I can cut the grass
myself at the front of the entrance. Hell, y'all talking here.
Speaker 1 (58:41):
Y'all talked about y'all taking up three hundred dollars a
month from everybody and what y'all doing with that money?
Speaker 2 (58:47):
Light stay out for two three weeks, uh man.
Speaker 1 (58:52):
But I am I'm so glad that we ever to
get Brittany and Demichael long he goes by Mikey. I'm
glad we were able to get that family on Nightcap.
This is what we try to do, Oho and I.
We try to bring you know, we try to whether
it's stories like this, or there's an athlete or whatever
the case may be. We just try to give you
the best show that we possibly can on a given night.
(59:12):
And this was supposed to be a very routine night
talk about the National Championship game. There's some other sports
stories that's circulating. But when the opportunity and it just
goes to show you Ojo, because the person reached out
to me and there's like a A h I'm gonna
ask you something. I was like, yeah, what's your what's up?
She's like, uh, would you like to have the couple
(59:34):
on that you and Ojo talked about. There's like they
saw this, they saw your story. I was like really,
there's like yeah, and they want they want to share
it with you.
Speaker 2 (59:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (59:46):
I called Ash, I said, ask guess what. She's like
what I said, because she always asked you what? I said, Uh,
you know the couple we were talking about in that
video last night. They want gonna come and share the story.
Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
Yeah. She's like really. I was like yeah, and you
know all what you like?
Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
I said, we're on the East coast, it's gonna be
late there in Ohio, and it's like it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
We want to come home yeah and be able to
have it.
Speaker 5 (01:00:19):
I'm gonna say, man, listen to the story is inspiring.
Speaker 4 (01:00:21):
Which we also have to understand is situations like this
has been going on for a very long time.
Speaker 5 (01:00:27):
Situations, situations like this are going to continue.
Speaker 4 (01:00:29):
To happen, So they're telling their story and also inspiring
people and understanding his background and his history and how
far he's coming. Being able to transition and getting a
second chance but most of us aren't afforded, can also
prevent those that might get that one chance where it's
in a situation where you know, everybody ain't getting no
(01:00:50):
second chance.
Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
Yeah, everybody ain't geting no second chance.
Speaker 4 (01:00:53):
So being able to do a few situations to de
escalate situations and having rife steate of mind, you know
in place when stuff like this happens. You know, maybe
not to this magnetude, but in another scenario, you got
to be on point. You got to be on point
at all times. So they're gonna test you now.
Speaker 1 (01:01:13):
Yeah, but I took a lot of a lot of
from that because, like you said, he could have reacted
in such a way that wouldn't been beneficial to his family,
and it definitely would have been beneficial to the woman
that invaded his privacy and it's his space. But I'm
glad he handled the situation the way he handled it,
So thank you. Mikey and Brittany for sharing your story
with us on Nightcap, and we wish you the best
(01:01:36):
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