Nightcap - Hour 1: Rockets Force Game 7 vs. Warriors + Gregg Popovich Steps Down as Spurs Coach

Shannon Sharpe, Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson and NBA Legend Robert Horry react to Round 1 of the NBA Playoffs featuring, the Houston Rockets forcing Game 7 vs. Stephen Curry and the Golden State Warriors, Gregg Popovich stepping down as San Antonio Spurs head coach, and much more!

01:47 - Introduction
04:30 - Rockets v Warriors
30:20 - Knicks win the series
42:00 - Pop steps out of coaching

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:17):
Hello ladies and gentlemen, and thank you for joining us
for another episode of Nightcap. If you play, if you
love sports that has a series, the most important word
you can have game seven. Everybody loves game seven. If
you're a basketball, baseball, hockey, something that has a series.
In the playoffs, game seven is where it's at. Thank

(00:39):
you for joining us for another episode of night Cap.

Speaker 3 (00:41):
Y'all know me.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
I'm your favorite Uncle Shannon Sharp, my partner and co
host the Liberty City Legend, the Bengal Ring of Fame,
Artery the pro Bowler, all pro laced out like he
just got off of playing from Hawaii. That's Chad Ochotgo
Johnson and the guy that's joining us tonight five times
NBA Chamir Big Shop Bob from the University of Alabama,

(01:03):
Shouston Rocket Phoenix SIY had little brief stay over here.

Speaker 3 (01:06):
I mean he had a couple of coffee feeding.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
But y you all though I been loving from his
stint with the Lakers and the San Antonio Spurs. Here,
your lady and gentlemen, Big Shop Bob, mister Robert Ory,
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Speaker 1 (01:19):
Man, Thanks for having me, un But you know what
I gotta correct you dog change man, right, I forgot
about the Rockets.

Speaker 3 (01:30):
I was just thinking about the Lakers and the Spurs kicked.

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Speaker 1 (02:57):
Get your tickets now seven the Rockets. Yeah, the Rockets
are going back home thanks to a definitive Now, don't
let the score fool you.

Speaker 3 (03:09):
One fifteen to one oh eight.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
But when they emptied the benches, I think, if I'm
not mistaken, they were down by like fifteen. But the
Rockets did an unbelievable job. They got great performances. Fred
van Fleet played forty minutes. He was six or nine
from the three, nine or nine from the free throw line,
twenty nine big points. Shungoon had twenty one and fourteen
and six. He played outstanding. But Rob you know this,

(03:33):
when you play on the road and you're trying to
force a game seven, or you're trying to close out
a series, you start your guys that you count on
need to play well, but you need to get some
production from somebody.

Speaker 3 (03:44):
You don't expect it now.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
I don't know if this is the most points that
Steven Adams has ever scored in the game. I know
it's not the most rebound or the most blocks, but
this might be the most impactful game that he's played
his entire career. And he's played a lot of playoff
basketball game. He's played a lot of games. But tonight
I believe he was the difference maker because he got rebounds,

(04:06):
he kept possessions alive, he blockshot. He changed it when
they went to that big lineup with him and Shandon
in there. That changed that changed it quite wrong.

Speaker 1 (04:15):
You know. The one thing you can't teach the size.
And I say that all the time. You know, you
just say your your favorite team just went down because
they elected not to use their size. And when you
got a small team those the State is a small
team very and you know, and we know how strong
Draymond is, but he ain't strong and Steven Allams and Stephens,

(04:36):
he be carvering out that room, be grabbing rebounds, be
pushing people out the way. He's an enforcement And you got, guys,
if you look at this Rocket team outside of Dylan
and ravershing done. They all little guys, and so you
need protectors out there on that floor. And that's what
Stephen Adam is. You know, you look at Josh. John's
missing that right now. So you need a guy like that,

(04:58):
Oh Joe, I mean you look, you look at it.
And I thought Jabari Smith Jr.

Speaker 2 (05:02):
He made like two or three buckets with the shot
clock winding down. He had two big threes. He were
one stree. He got up off the floor. There was
a scrabble for the ball. Brand Fleet gainst it and
kicks it back. He gives up off the floor Hill.
I thought it was Ray Allen for just a Second's
not just kill of the game. But he gives up
off the floor and he cans the three as Golden

(05:23):
State was trying to make that move, trying to create
a turnover. I thought the bench was out standing for
the Houston Rockets tonight. I think they got thirty two
thirty two big points, sixteen thirty three, thirty six big
points from the bench. The guys played really well. The
starters played well. Brooks got in fouled trouble and Adoka
didn't didn't have a choice but to send him to
the bench, But I thought their backup played extremely well.

(05:45):
Your role players. You got what you expected from Van Fleet.
Outside of that first two games, he's been light side
rocked from the three point line. He's been going crazy,
I mean crazy. And then you got shing Gooon. He's
an All Star for a reason. He gave you that.
And then you get Adams coming off the bench and
giving you what he gave you. They got a lot
of confidence because they won back to back games. They

(06:06):
forced the game six. Now they forced the game seven.
The Warriors have their work cut up for them. They
went colding that fourth quarter of the start. They couldn't
get anything to fall and lead. That was what three
four points all of a sudden went to twelve and
the Rockets didn't let off the gas and they didn't
look back. Oh Joe Warriors. Yeah, I thought Steph had
it gold. He got hot there for a second, him

(06:27):
and Jimmy, But they didn't get enough from the auxillary players.

Speaker 3 (06:31):
Hey man, listen the Warriors. The stars showed up. That
showed up. Obviously, we didn't. We didn't see the Steph
Curry were used to seeing.

Speaker 4 (06:37):
Obviously, he had twenty nine points, but it took twenty
three shots to get there. Jimmy Butler had twenty seven.
But listen, some goom but young Bulls Special, Young Bullet
Special and Van Fleet showed up the night and then
what he needed to do at being the veteran presence
that the Rockets do have. Listen, them young boys, them
young bulls looked like they wanted it more. Yeah, the
intensity they played on both both sides of the floor.

Speaker 3 (06:58):
Spacey was really good.

Speaker 4 (07:00):
And that goddamn Steven Adams Listen, he was probably the
difference makeup when you when you talk about the size
in which the Rockets have and how small, how small
the Warriors are, I think it comes down to making
more shots because those those those second those second what
do you call it second when you get the second attempts? Yeah, bingo,

(07:21):
that's that's what he's trying to say. That the second
attempts that the Rockets had is the reason why they
won the game. And obviously them playing with a little
bit more fire, like they wanted a little bit more.
Even though the experience of the Warriors who have been
in positions like this before and had the experience with
the dray Bonds, you know, the Jimmy butlers that it
used to be in in playoff atmospheres. Them young bulls
look like they wanted more and listen like you say,

(07:43):
they got they they got their stuff cut out for
him having to travel. Now they got to go the
goddamn Houston and seal the deal.

Speaker 3 (07:53):
You gotta believe what they what they are. Never Rudy T.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
Never underestimate the heart of a champion. These rockets on
the champions. But that's what Rudy T carting to play
coin to praise and his stuff. I think the thing
is that when they went to that big lineup, because
Draymond is undersize, you can't play lonly because it gives
you nothing on our fence. Post wasn't hitting any shots,
so you can't play him. So you're really trying to say, Draymond,

(08:18):
I need you to keep seven foot three hundred pounds
Stephen Adams off the glass. I need you to keep
six ten six eleven Shing Goon off the glass. You're
asking too much, and you see they started to wear
him down over and over over and over again. Second
chance points. They did a great job of finan shing
Goon in the high post and then guess what he
takes one dribble, he drops it off to Steven Adams

(08:38):
a dunk, or he drops it off he finds a
A Thompson for a layup. He played extremely well tonight.
I expected I expected Van Pleet because they got to
do something with Van Pleet. They because he's walking in, shooting,
shoot around, freeze. He's feeling that. It's that comfortable.

Speaker 1 (08:54):
You know. For me, I knew war was in trouble
from jump because any time you change your lineup, yeah,
that's like a sign to the other team like, oh,
we don't know what to do with you now.

Speaker 3 (09:06):
The rockets you.

Speaker 1 (09:07):
Know there when you're that young, anything can give you emotion,
get the sparked and your energy. They are like, oh,
we got him scared. And you think about this. They
changed the line and then look what happened Jr. There
because they wanted somebody to slow vamp feet down. Why
you know they don't why change it because you just
talked about offense. You know that's no offense right there.

(09:30):
And then you got Buddy Hill. We all know Buddy
Hill is not a defensive player.

Speaker 2 (09:34):
But the one thing that's that Kurr is gonna He's
gonna do the same thing that JJ Redick did and
by himself in the butt with it by not playing
him coming here because you need size and you need
athleticism go up against this this rocket leting because athletic.

Speaker 1 (09:50):
Yeah, but you're gonna because you mad this dude. I
don't know what's going on. If you curse him out
or something, he won't plan. But this is your third
leading scorer on the team. He was his secondly go
on the team until you got butt of the Butler.
But now you're not playing them, so I don't know
what's going on right there. But that's gonna cost them
in this series because now you don't get the Rockets
all type of energy, and they gonna go back and

(10:12):
probably win this series because you elect to do some
dumb stuff like in game four, I mean Game five,
game and tonight, you know, you know what I mean before.

Speaker 4 (10:21):
You go with I think what I think for the
words obviously going into Game seven, what's going to have
to happen regardless of what the Rockets do. I think
it's gonna have to be Jimmy Butler and the it's
going back to Curry. Curry findings to be a little
bit more efficient from the field to overcome all the
things that the Rockets do, whether they go big, whether
they go small, the only thing to do is put
the goddamn ball in this bucket and have more points

(10:41):
and just hope, just hope. Whatever you can do, you got.
You got to lean on Curry. That's only that's the
only way. That's the only way Game seven going going into.
I don't know what stadium it is, that the Rockets playing.

Speaker 3 (10:51):
In Houston, Toyota, Toyota. That's the only way it's gonna happen. Yeah,
I think. I like what Yadoka did.

Speaker 2 (10:58):
He went to a zone and every time Steph got
the ball, they trapped him. They said, Nah, Bron, I
don't care if you. I don't care if you at
the time, like we gonna get that ball out of
your hands. Somebody else is going to be this. We
don't believe in a moment like this here because you know,
there's a difference between hitting shots in game one, two, three, four, five,
Because this is an opportunity for advance.

Speaker 3 (11:19):
And now you're gonna be like Ojo said, You're gonna.

Speaker 2 (11:21):
Have to rely a little bit more on Curry and
Butler because a lot of these guys haven't been in
moments like this, Draymond asked, But I'm not counting on
Draymond to give me a whole bunch of points. I've
counted on him to give me somewhere between four and
eight points. He'll give you six seven rebounds, five six
seven assists. That's what I'm expecting for him. But your
production is gonna have to come from Jimmy Butler and
Steph Curry, guys that have been in this moment.

Speaker 3 (11:42):
But I thought you don't. He did a great thing.
He went to the zone.

Speaker 2 (11:45):
He said, look, do not get back picked, because they're
gonna try to come and sit that backpick and have
Curry floating. And they kept their eyes on them. They
gave up a couple of you know what back door
cuts because you know they got I got eyes on Steph.

Speaker 3 (11:56):
And guys snuck behind him.

Speaker 2 (11:58):
Draymond got one, Jimmy Butler got one couple of guys.

Speaker 3 (12:01):
But I give you that.

Speaker 2 (12:02):
The one thing I don't want to have happened is
Steph Curry hit a couple of threes, and he hit
a couple early, and he got the crowded to the game.
I want to keep the crowd at bay as long
as I possibly can, and then the longer you kept
them at bay, and then come the fourth quarter, they
couldn't buy a bucket. Steph had some great looks, Jimmy
Butler had some great looks, and it just wouldn't go
down for him.

Speaker 3 (12:22):
But hey, yeah, hey uncle, hey Rob.

Speaker 4 (12:27):
I mean you could probably attest to this, obviously being
in that situation. I consider pressure situations obviously planning in
the playoffs going into a game seven. But one of
the things, just from me watching from the naked eye,
took three things that the word can clean up. For One,
the turnovers. They had sixteen turnovers a night. They filing,
they had, god damn there thirty to thirty files. And

(12:48):
then under pressure, let's say he make goes to the zone
again in game seven, Relax, tighten up. Under pressure, relax
and tiv to run your offense, to do things and
a relax manner. And if they trapped, if if they trapped,
curR every time to get the ball. Everybody else, including
the supporting cast. You got to hit your shots. You
got to hit your shots when it matters most, you know.

Speaker 1 (13:09):
See Steph gotta hit the shots. Two six to sixteen
from three ain't gonna cut it, you know. Sometimes I
know Steph is considered the best shoot they ever played
his game.

Speaker 3 (13:17):
A lot of his threes to me were bad threes.

Speaker 1 (13:20):
I know we said, oh, that's not a bad three
for Curry, but you can today was a bad threes.
You can get off the ball because you can move
so much and the Rockets is only gonna play.

Speaker 3 (13:30):
Defense for so long, you can get a better shot.
You know.

Speaker 1 (13:33):
That's the one thing about in the playoffs, And I'm
always harping on you want to, okay, shot a good
shot and a great shot. I know every time Steph
touches the ball from anywhere in the gym, it's usually
a somewhat great shot. But when you got the long
defensive team like the Rockets, those turn into good shots,
don'kay how great a shooting you are.

Speaker 3 (13:50):
And for me, that's one of the things they gotta do.

Speaker 1 (13:52):
And for me, Draymond got to keep his cool because
you don't know the little anthics you do that as
to as other teams spark too. And so for me,
he going going into Houston, know they're gonna be boring him.
He's gonna get amped up he's gonna have to play
under control. Jimmy Buck's gonna have to play under control.
But they're gonna have to go back to they starting
lineup because that's how that that's the rhythm they have.

(14:14):
Because when you got a guy like Jimmy Butter who
just came into your season and you change the lineup
on him, that can affect him because now, okay, how
do I play with this dude?

Speaker 3 (14:23):
I just learned how to play with this guy. It's
little intricacies.

Speaker 1 (14:26):
Is like that that coaches don't think about that players
need to know because I know, like I know what
route you're gonna run on the quarterback, And that's what
that think about that. Now Jimmy's out there being the
quarterback and all of a sudden, you got a guy
that's not gonna run to his point.

Speaker 3 (14:40):
Mean you know, it's like, okay, what I do now?
It messes up the rhythm.

Speaker 4 (14:46):
So Nobby is gonna ask Rob obviously, listen, you can
attest to this, especially the game situation like this, and
you got an athletic player that can match up very
well against the Rockets.

Speaker 3 (14:59):
Do you thin think Kurr plays coming of this game
a little bit more being that he No, I.

Speaker 1 (15:05):
Don't think he's gonna play him at all. I don't
know what that situation is, but it's been bad. You
think about it since the three games left in the
season he had, he played him, and he played him
on the reason the other night because he needed someone.
And you know, you think about if he didn't play
him to night and then in garbage minutes to try
to let him get some type of rhythm, he play

(15:25):
in game seven.

Speaker 3 (15:27):
So you rather what does it? You know, despite he
rather despite whatever situation.

Speaker 4 (15:32):
They got going on, you rather chance losing game seven
based on what you saw tonight and not make the
necessary changes to give you give your team the best
chance to win.

Speaker 3 (15:39):
I wouldn't do it.

Speaker 1 (15:40):
I've been playing in regardless because you know, for me,
when you that talent, that athletic, I know that you
got to play him. Man, Because so many coaches get
pissed off at players, they're like, oh, I'm gonna show you. No,
you're showing yourself because you only hurt your team. And
you know, and I think that's one of the mistakes
that coaches make. You know it, It's just hard for

(16:00):
me to found that you rather have your pride getting
the way of you getting a dub and yeah, well
it look, we've all played this more for a long time,
and coaches would rather lose their way than win some
other way. It's just the way, the truth, and the
part of coaching is coaching. Sometimes you're like, Okay, this
is what we're gonna do. But a really good coach saying, well,
you know what, that ain't working.

Speaker 2 (16:20):
That wasn't my original plan, but let me try to
find something else to go instead of being bullheaded. Well
I said I wasn't gonna play this guy. Well I'm
not playing this guy. Hey, it doesn't work like that.
If you're gonna be a coach, you gotta be a
coach at all time, and sometimes you have to swallow
your pride as a player, as a coach, whatever the
case may be, in order to get the victory. And
I thought tonight, you know, yeah, I agree with you
rob him changing the lineup, because even if you put

(16:43):
when you put Peyton in, yeah you get defense, but
the floor is not spaced as much as when you
got Prositimic in there. So now all of a sudden,
the floor is a little bit more condensed. Yeah, you
might get a little bit more on ball pressure with
Van Fleet. But what you're giving up on the other
end because you want as much space as you possibly
can for your shooters, lack of step lack a Buddy Hill,

(17:05):
like a zip pot zim Zimski.

Speaker 1 (17:08):
But now it's condensed Draymond. Draymond is not a thread
that the'll give Drake.

Speaker 2 (17:13):
If you notice, like the last three games, Draymond tak
the first shot, they'll give it.

Speaker 3 (17:17):
That three.

Speaker 2 (17:20):
You you're not gonna make enough of those to put
fear ain't. Nobody will say, get a hand up, don't
even worry about it. Let him have that, Let him
have that shot. I'm not getting. I don't want open
looks for Steph. I don't want open looks for Buddy
Hill and Pozimski. But here's the thing. He gave you
zero to nice So yeah, Buddy gave you nothing. You said,

(17:40):
h Steph. I think the state will make Steph so dangerous.
And how he gets the crowded it is when that
he takes those shots from twenty five thirty feet away
and it's a bad shot for everybody else, and it
goes in. Not only does against the crowd going, it
gets him going. So now he sees it goes in
after he's taken a shot, and he can even goals
out before the ball goes through the net.

Speaker 3 (18:03):
By you're in trouble. You and you're in trouble.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
That start happening because he feels it and now there
is no bad shot. If he's see a couple of them,
faiths go in. Rob Ain't no bad shot for the
rest of the night. Yeah, but they'll go in. He's
six and sixteen, yeah, yeah, yeah, he needed Look, well,
you got great production from him and Jimmy Butler. Jimmy
Butler twelve or fourteen for the free throw line. That's

(18:27):
what Jimmy does. He's gonna put pressure on you. Now
he's gonna attack.

Speaker 3 (18:30):
Uh. They needed one other player.

Speaker 2 (18:32):
Draymond gave him a buddy, gave him nothing GP the
second game, gave him five points. That's not enough. I
thought Moody. I thought Moody would get more minutes because
he came in here's a big three. I thought Moody
would get more minutes Rob than what he hasn't been
to twenty minutes that he got twenty two.

Speaker 1 (18:48):
You know, it's weird because Moody has been playing very
well in this series. You're thinking about you want a
guy that's gonna give you twelve to thirteen points and
is active like he is, and he hasn't gotten as
much play as I thought he would. You know, for me,
you want to start, keep him in the starting lineup,
do something that let Buddy Hugh be coming off the
bench all you keep coming off the bill off the bench.
And it's just one of those things where Steph, yo,

(19:10):
we know this is your arena, we know it's your league,
but sometimes defer. You know, I play with a lot
of grace and them ug Sometime they come out like, yo,
if you knocking out of shots, I ain't taking those shots.

Speaker 3 (19:21):
You carry us. And that's one of the things that Jimmy.

Speaker 1 (19:23):
Butler's really good at too, because he can get it
going and he would defer to other people. But that's
the one thing about Steph though. Stephan is not a
guy that really defers because he doesn't have to. But
I think when he goes to Houston and now Houston
crowd and he not knocking down them shots, he's gonna
have to be a facilitator because he ain't gonna be of.

Speaker 3 (19:41):
Doing on his own.

Speaker 1 (19:41):
You know, people forget the Rockets or a defensive team
because you.

Speaker 3 (19:46):
Got he made back there.

Speaker 1 (19:48):
You got a lot of guys that know how to
play defense at long, the athletics, so you're going to
have to share the basketball if they want to try
to come back and win this series.

Speaker 2 (20:04):
Yeah, you got Thompson who's long and athletic, Delan Brooks
and one of the defensive stopper Easton Steven Adams.

Speaker 3 (20:12):
I mean, they got guys that can pressure the basketball.

Speaker 2 (20:15):
But if I'm doing everything I possibly can to not
let stuff get going early in that game seven, that's
the last thing I wanted to do. Have like ten
to twelve points in the first quarter. Now he gets
an extended rest for the second because you got to
think about it to night. He played forty two minutes.
Steps don't normally play those kind of minutes.

Speaker 1 (20:30):
That's a lot of minutes for a guy at his age.
People don't people talking about Lebron. He runs because he's
perpetual motion.

Speaker 2 (20:36):
He's not a guy that's taking a lot of break
because he has to work. He's working to get his shot.
So he's from sideline to the baseline to baseline.

Speaker 1 (20:44):
And then you forget it's not two games to rest days. No,
he's lay off play. So he only got one day arrest,
twenty four hours back on that court. So that's and
then he got a fly yeah. Yeah, and it's a
three hour flight maybe four because you might not take
off a Francisco all that damn fog sometimes, so you.

Speaker 2 (21:03):
Can't get out of that. Fred van Fleet is, now,
what'd you say? You said something?

Speaker 3 (21:08):
No, I was gonna say the good thing.

Speaker 4 (21:10):
The good thing about Steph the chances of him having
a game like this like tonight where it takes him
so many shots to even get to twenty nine, twenty seven,
whatever the points he had, he ain't gonna ain't gonna
double that. He's not gonna have another game like that.
I think he's gonna be much more efficient. Buddy Hill
probably gonna be much better, and they probably gonna get
Buddy Hill, Buddy Hill going early. And I really, for
some reason, I don't know why, where Kerr really understanding.

(21:31):
I'm sure Dremond and maybe Steph will probably talk to
Kurr with great understanding.

Speaker 3 (21:36):
We need a little bit more help, we need a
little bit more size.

Speaker 4 (21:39):
You know, you got to do something and get community
in there some kind of way before we be sitting
at home and god damn can.

Speaker 2 (21:43):
Coon I've had to rock out what they did for
They put a lot of pressure on them. They shot
forty six free throws, Bob, they shot forty six free throws.
It's been a while since our team to see the
team shoot forty six free throws. But sixteen of those
with the Steven autos and a lot of that had
to do it connected. They would hack Adams and you
know Donald Stretch, he made them pay for that.

Speaker 3 (22:04):
He was mad.

Speaker 1 (22:06):
It's one of the things where you try that, you know,
that's all that Pops Doug Mimry Pop did that against
Shack and you know the hacker Shock. And you gotta
think about some of these guys. You make one, you
make two, you got to go away from it because
that guy has a little real You know, sometime you
want to trust the process. You talk about following your
game plan. There's certain game plans you have to scrap.

Speaker 3 (22:24):
You know.

Speaker 1 (22:25):
Steven Adams is you know, you know she his free
throw percentision might be bad, but the dude, you look
at his form, the way he approaches it, everything is
fundamentally sounds so he can knock him down. He just
don't knock him down because he don't shoot it a lot.
So it looked like a percentage. You're bad, right the Rockets,
excuse me. The Warriors shot twenty two free throws. All
of them came from three guys. Draymond was one for two,

(22:46):
Jimmy was twelve or fourteen, and Steph was five or six.

Speaker 3 (22:50):
So that tells me they're not nearly aggressive enough.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
When you only got three guys to take your free
throw attempts, that means But but the thing.

Speaker 1 (22:57):
Is, that's not that's what you tho. That's not that's
what you get from a jump shooting team. When you
shoot jump shots, you don't to the free throw line.
And the thing about you know, you talk about analytics
or basketball shooting threes. I've always had the mindset, if
you're shooting the threes, you're playing soft. Why because you're
not trying to create shots. You're not trying to get
to the rack. So you're taking the easy way out.

(23:19):
So I'm just gonna pull a full three. Think about that.
If I pull up full three, that's easy. Now, if
I had to cross on, use spin get to the rack.
That's hard work. You think about a man, a man
only he don't mind that work. You just saw he
put in that work. And now you get to these
guys wanna shoot jump shots. You're not gonna get to
the file line. And the only reason Step gets those
files sometimes because if you watch closely, he's causing the contact.

Speaker 3 (23:41):
He's really good at that.

Speaker 1 (23:42):
And yeah, and I hate when he does that because
a lot of times when he does it, he's not
even concentrating on the shot.

Speaker 3 (23:50):
He's concentrating on the file.

Speaker 1 (23:52):
Just take the damn shot to make the shot if
you get filed so bit.

Speaker 4 (23:56):
Hey, hey, Rob, I got I just want to say
one thing about you talk about Curry being able to
put the ball on the floor and create his own
space in his own shot. You mentioned Anthony Edwards, joh
Moran can do it as well. But you have to
think about it. When you look at the landscape of
all the teams in the NBA, including those in the playoffs,
it's only maybe one or two players on each team
that can do that, that can go iceo, that can
put the ball on the floor and create their own shots.

Speaker 3 (24:16):
So it's not that many of them. So once you
take that.

Speaker 4 (24:18):
When you trap a player like a Curry and they
have to facilitate, then now you've got to get everybody
that's involved, and.

Speaker 3 (24:24):
It puts pressure on them that I didn't. I didn't know.

Speaker 4 (24:26):
There's still a game of basketball and everybody, like I'm
told me before, everybody didn't have the green light to
shoot the ball. That will Well, no, I just learned that.
I'm thinking, well, hell, if I'm open, just shoot. You
learn that every.

Speaker 3 (24:42):
Head. That's why you have.

Speaker 1 (24:44):
They go play the percentage they gonna let you take
that shot.

Speaker 3 (24:47):
You guard you. Yeah, I ain't ain't all that.

Speaker 2 (24:50):
Brad van Fleet last three games he had twenty nine points.
He has six threes. Tonight twenty six points, four three,
twenty five points eight May three. So his last his
last three ball games, he's got eighteen mad threes, more
points and threes than stuff he's been. Look, he's the
veteran presence on this team. He's the guy that's been

(25:11):
in championship moments. He's the guy who's been on that
stage in the Eastern Conference where they were, you know,
in the in the Eastern Conference finals, they went to
a championship. They led Kawhi led them to an NBA title.
He he's the guy. So this is what he needs
to do. Hey, follow me, follow me. He's the leader.
He did what he was supposed to do. He got

(25:33):
great contribution from Shingoon. Now, Shanoon is the best player,
but the veteran presidence the best.

Speaker 1 (25:40):
Yeah best, yes, better than yes, yes, yes.

Speaker 3 (25:45):
What did you talking? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (25:48):
Jaicular Greens only had one good game so far in
his playoffs.

Speaker 3 (25:52):
Yes, he was.

Speaker 1 (25:53):
Three of eleven, one for six. He had twelve points.
Shan God is an all.

Speaker 4 (25:57):
I'm just I'm I'm just talking about I'm talking about you,
I know, single in the All Star and I'm just
saying Jayleen Green is supposed to be that next up
and coming, that boy in Houston.

Speaker 3 (26:05):
Or am I mistaken?

Speaker 1 (26:06):
No, You're not mistaken. But we up we're talking about
right now. We are talking about what you okayou yourtality
is still the best player. Because he's rebounded, he's uh,
he's going points, he's getting assists. Jalen Green is just
a high flyer right now, and that's all he's lopping
off of. He got to do more than try to

(26:26):
you know, that's the one thing that but I've watched
the NBA. Now there are so many guys that have
become showman. Instead of playing the damn game. They want
to do all these antis. When they hit a three,
they want to you know, it's just play the damn game.
You know, you make a damn shot, big damn deal.
You know, you get back and play some DV. It's
how many times have you seen a guy beat on

(26:49):
the other end of the defense because they're doing this ship.
Just get back and play. And that's one thing that
that you watch Jay Jayleen Green, he plays. He has
a tendency to like try to get to the whole
look at the crowd. The next thing, you know, get
your ass back on defense. So that's why Singoon he's
just a hard worker man. He in that pain. He
dunking on people. He can get people involved. He's the

(27:09):
best player on that team. They thought it was.

Speaker 3 (27:10):
Gonna be Jalen Green. Yeah, Shin Gooon has taken over
Shing Goon.

Speaker 2 (27:14):
He leads to rockets in points, rebounds, assists, and steals
in the playoffs.

Speaker 3 (27:20):
Jaylen Bronson game went over the Pistons. What a shot?
What the moment?

Speaker 2 (27:23):
The next window series rob you one of the great
clutch shot shooters.

Speaker 3 (27:27):
Let me ask you this.

Speaker 2 (27:28):
I think for our audience, they want to know in
that moment, are you thinking, like, man, if I make
this shot, him a hero if I miss it, or
you just going through the It's the same whether the
moment is there or not. It's just like if it
was the first quarter, the second quarter, third quarter. What
goes through your head when you're taking a shot that
could potentially win you the game or lose you the game.

Speaker 1 (27:49):
Yeah, I think about anything, man, because it's just like
when you're in a gym, you're taking all these shots
and prepare for this moment. He put the reps in
and that's what you gotta do. That's why you see guys.
You know you take Kobe fences. He's been a gym
twenty four to seven, so everything came easy. And if
you put in the time and the work and the sacrifice,
these moments like this, you don't even think about it.

(28:10):
When you think about Daylon Brunston. Most guys they like
going to their offhand to pull up for the jump
shout because you can square up a little bit better.
He got you going left, like you thought, oh, he's
a strong left guy. He was setting them up, he said,
jumpsing up. I'm coming right back over here to I
want to knocked down this tree. So it's just it's
just a process that you go through each and every day,

(28:32):
and you watch him. He is so good at manipulating
the defense. He can get you on your head and
then he can cost the contact or he can get you.
He can he can gauge your speed if you're going
too fast, he stops on the diamond, pulls up, and
I think for him and any any guy who's playing
this game long enough, you don't think about it. You
just do it. It's this second next, second nature thing

(28:54):
to you. Man, You just you just enjoyed the moment
and you just hope that you make that monch so
you can talk a lot of shit.

Speaker 2 (29:00):
He does a great job rob as you mentioned, but
he gets his body in such a position to shoot
that shot because like you said, he's the left handed player,
and most left handed players are left hand dominant.

Speaker 3 (29:10):
They're trying to get to that left side. They want
to go left.

Speaker 2 (29:13):
He did that, and then if you notice, he stepped
back and squared himself and let it go. He get
a shrewter. He got an a one on shooter and
he got a tough step back. He I mean the
way he can like get his body in position to
take and make tough shots for a guy his size,

(29:35):
he is not a big guy. I mean his body
of mean, you know what I'm saying. He's you know,
he got a little little gird to him. You know
he got some but he I mean what you think
six foot I think he about six six.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
One hit that h but his ability and he's stronger
than you think for a guy his size, because the.

Speaker 2 (29:54):
Way he can like put that that showed in your
chest and get that shot off in the square and
the knock be shots down.

Speaker 3 (30:03):
He was sensatial.

Speaker 2 (30:04):
They couldn't buy basket for the first nine ten minutes
of the ball game, and then all of a sudden,
he said, man, just give me the ball. What y'all
doing every shot that needed to be taken and made.
Now they got a huge campend by Bridge and somebody
missed the shot and they didn't block out and Bridges
got the.

Speaker 3 (30:20):
Tip that tied it up.

Speaker 2 (30:21):
But you know, once they missed that shot, boy, y'
y'all been to get this ball. Because Thompson had just
made a great defensive playoff like two possessions earlier, he
got a shot clock violation on the copy. He went
to go up and he stripped him with the ball.
He's like, yeah, Brusse, I got something for you. I
got something for you.

Speaker 4 (30:39):
Hold that, but hold on, I got a question you
for for for rob Man for you and Unk.

Speaker 1 (30:44):
Right.

Speaker 4 (30:44):
As great as Jalen Brunson's was in this series, as
great as he's been obviously being a very very clutch player. Hell,
he's just one NBA cuss Player of the year, right, yeah,
obviously showing this offensive prowes tonight with forty. Is there
any chance y'all giving the and in this series against
the Celtics any chance?

Speaker 3 (31:04):
No?

Speaker 1 (31:04):
No. And the reason I say no is because when
you look at the Celtics, they got six guys that
can score. And every time I look at the Nicks,
they remind me of Ai. You know, they got this
one guy that does all the scoring and everybody else
does two or three things really really good to make
that pie hole. And do you take out Bridges, who

(31:24):
one of my favorite players. When they use him and
he's able to score, they're a totally different team. But
I just think the Celtics has too much firepower. And
one of the things they don't talk about with the
Celtics is you look at them. They got four good
defensive players out there in that court, you know, and
that's and and and we don't talk about that because
he's so caught up in all the threes they shoot.

Speaker 3 (31:44):
But you think about, you.

Speaker 1 (31:46):
Know, White, Holiday, even Brown, these guys are fucking good defenders.
And so they got bodies to throw at Bronson a
little short sail and so that's gonna be hard.

Speaker 3 (31:56):
And you know, going back to Bronston.

Speaker 1 (31:58):
The one thing that makes it really good is this
is gonna sound really crazy, is left handed players are always,
uh have that ability to get to the line and
do things because you're not used to that. You hardly
ever run across the left pendent player. You think about Mono,
do you know we're gonna play with He was so
good because you think he's about to do someone is
right here, like, oh shit, he's left handed. And by

(32:19):
the time you think about it, it's too late. And because
it's just not what you use is uncommon. But I
just think he I think the Knicks might win one
game because they play hard. But I think overall, I
just think the Celtic, Yeah, it's gonna be a gentleman,
sweet man. I just think that if the Celtics stay healthy.
You know they they've been getting a little banged up

(32:39):
in there. But I just think the Celtics are too good. Yeah,
because when you look at it, think about what they go.
They got Derrick White that can defend. They got Holiday
that can find, they got JB that can defend. They
got big A Horford that can defend, whose fingers can
protect the paint. And then they bring Pritchard off the
bench that can score. How that can call Cornett that
can that can give you a little rebound. Me.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
Uh, they're loaded. You we know j T can defend
if they have to, but he can score. J BE
can score, Derrick White can score. They got scores, and
they got defenders. So they're always going to have a
bare minimum to quality defenders on the court at all times.
And so when you have that, when you got two
guys that can defend. But look what they start with.
So if they start Holiday, you got Holiday, Derrick White,

(33:23):
JP Al Horford.

Speaker 4 (33:27):
Honestly, I'm gonna tell you this, I liked the Nickson
winning at least three games, winning three games. I got
them winning three games. I mean, hey, raw, you want
to you want to you want to best some on it.
You want to throw a little throw ways on that.

Speaker 3 (33:39):
What do you want to? Bet? Said?

Speaker 1 (33:41):
Make it?

Speaker 4 (33:41):
Said, make it light to yourself. Bet fifty two hundred.
That's very specific way, he said, Yeah, trying.

Speaker 3 (33:51):
I'm trying. I hold fifty two hundred. So I'm just
trying to I'm trying to make it up some other
kind of way. I'm trying to break you.

Speaker 2 (33:58):
Let me ask you this, of all the game winners
that you hit, what's your favorite one?

Speaker 3 (34:04):
Uh, Lakers against against the Kings that.

Speaker 1 (34:08):
Game without a game and that was game four, Game four.
You know we lose that game, we go down three
to one. And the reason is my favorite because if
you look at most of my game winners, they've all
done on the road, and so this one was done
at home and enjoy with the crowd.

Speaker 3 (34:26):
Yeah, I got it.

Speaker 1 (34:26):
I grew up a huge Lakers fan, right, I grew
up a big Magic Johnson fan.

Speaker 3 (34:30):
You know, you wouldn't never be and a Laker. You
used to them chanting Kobe, Kobe or shot.

Speaker 1 (34:35):
You know, when you get a chance to knock down
a big three and you get him chant your name
like that. Man, it's the best feeling ever, I think
for me, it's probably outside of Kobe's last game. Is
the greatest moment in Stable Slash Crypto. And if you
every time I see the shot from above and when
I'm making and the crowd just jumps up and cheers,

(34:56):
I get goose punts every time I see. You know,
even though I love what I do in two thousand
and five against the Pistons in Game five, when I
lit the asses.

Speaker 3 (35:03):
Up, Yeah, that's the what I was That's what I
was thinking. Yet.

Speaker 1 (35:06):
Yeah, but you know, it's something you know, we as
an athlete, we all got that ego, we all got
that pride. You want to hit them fans chant your name.
But I tell you what, I only have like one
picture up. I don't even have that shot up in
my house, but I do have the picture of me
making that shot against the Pistols because I just like
looking at the faces of the people in the crowd.

Speaker 3 (35:25):
You got some.

Speaker 1 (35:26):
People like you know, you got one guy him in
the crowd, and it's like because he knew it was
going in.

Speaker 2 (35:35):
People I don't know if people realize this, Rob, but
before those black injuries, you are hot flower. You were
doing I mean you were punching on folks.

Speaker 3 (35:43):
I mean you were on the top.

Speaker 1 (35:44):
People look at you and they're like, man, all he
did was you threes no no, no, no no.

Speaker 3 (35:48):
When you came in.

Speaker 2 (35:50):
I mean, I don't know what it is about them,
the Alabama guys.

Speaker 3 (35:53):
You would been nice.

Speaker 2 (35:55):
All the guys had up the way up.

Speaker 3 (35:58):
And I don't know if.

Speaker 2 (35:59):
People realize that, but you wore a hot flower, a
six teen guy that finished above the rim. And then
you turned yourself. I think it was the back injury
that you turned yourself in more of a shooter. You
still could punch your folks, but not like you could
when you first.

Speaker 1 (36:13):
Got Now it's so weird when you come in to
lead funny stories. Like my middle son, he came to
me one time, like, Daddy, you don't ever dunk anymore.

Speaker 3 (36:22):
You can't even dunk.

Speaker 1 (36:23):
And there's that one dunk in the playoffs against the
Detroit Pistons that I dunked on real Pemilton while I
took out outside the bank and I said, see your dad,
I can still dunk.

Speaker 3 (36:31):
I just don't have to.

Speaker 1 (36:32):
But you know, the weird part about it is when
I got to the Lakers, they was like, oh, we
don't want you to, you know, they said, we need
you just spot up. And the worst thing as an athlete,
if any athletes listening, is don't let coaches limit to
limit you in what you can do.

Speaker 3 (36:49):
And I think you know this day and age is
a little bit different.

Speaker 1 (36:51):
Back then, it was a little bit more I need
to do this, this and this, and so in my
mind became, Okay, this is what they want me to do,
spot up and shoot.

Speaker 3 (36:57):
Threes and all this concept.

Speaker 1 (36:58):
But I I showed my my my youngest son, Christian,
who's that you said?

Speaker 3 (37:04):
Last?

Speaker 1 (37:04):
Let me show you something, man, Come sit down, And
I showed them my highlights, I mean rockets when I
used to dunk.

Speaker 3 (37:09):
He looked at me like, damn you had ups.

Speaker 1 (37:11):
It's like, yeah, I just stopped doing it because they
didn't want I didn't have room to do it because
Shaq wasn't the damn way.

Speaker 3 (37:21):
That's dope. That's lie. Hey, ay, Rob.

Speaker 4 (37:24):
With some of those some of those clutch shots you hit,
were you ever did you ever keep any of the.

Speaker 3 (37:28):
Balls, especially, I mean you got.

Speaker 4 (37:34):
Some really really really good moments, and for me, I
would want to keep those. I would I personally want
to keep those balls.

Speaker 3 (37:41):
And you know you don't have.

Speaker 1 (37:42):
Any, you know, I really I have.

Speaker 3 (37:44):
I have one.

Speaker 1 (37:46):
Okay, I have one from it's actually the Game seven
ball against the Knicks.

Speaker 3 (37:52):
I have that.

Speaker 1 (37:53):
And the only reason I have that because I told
the guy said, because the first two points of Game
seven was me dunking on Batch and I was like, I.

Speaker 3 (38:02):
Wrote that ball.

Speaker 1 (38:03):
So I have that ball, and I wish I had
the one I made against the Kings because ship if
I lost it, if I betted you and lost, I
just sell that and give me a lot of money
to cover that.

Speaker 3 (38:14):
So I know Comfarens will love that ball. So hey, but.

Speaker 4 (38:18):
Speaking of you talking about balls and being able to
sell the ball and get you a lot of money, Listen,
I got a prize possession. That's what I'm gonna say.
I'm supposed to have it in closed in the case, right,
uh huh. But I got the I got the game
ball when Lebron hit his fiftieth point fifty thousand Yeah,
like listen, fifty thousand points and that's something that you
would think, you know, Yeah, so it's a fifty thousand

(38:38):
point ball right now.

Speaker 3 (38:39):
He see fifty thousand point and Lebron signed the part.
Yeah yeah. I mean, if if I ever fallow a
hard times, man, it's this hit gonna come in handy.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
Do you fallow a hard time to try to see
that ball?

Speaker 3 (38:53):
You're gonna stay on hard times? Exactly? You? You might,
you might real hard times. Greg with them to deal.

Speaker 2 (39:02):
Greg Papavic stepped out of the coach of the San
Antonio Spurst Today Indy, a nearly three decade run that
saw him lead the team to five championships. He's the
all time winning his coach uh at NBA history, and
he's a three time Coach of the Year, and he's
a Hall of Fame, won a gold medal, and he's
inducted to the Basketball Hall of Fame. Rob, you played
for Pop? What what was it about Pop that made

(39:25):
him special? What was your what's going to be your
lasting memory of playing for Pop?

Speaker 1 (39:31):
I think for me, it's just his how genuine he was,
and you know he he was one of those coaches
where he's one of those coaches where he had yelled
at you and then take you to have some nochi
and some wine, you know, his two favorite things. And
for me, I think I tell this story all the time.
The one thing that really made me fall in love
with the.

Speaker 3 (39:50):
Guy was my daughter who passed away.

Speaker 1 (39:53):
Was really sick my last year with the Spurs, and
she went into the hospital at the beginning of the
season and he was like, don't don't come back until
she's out of the hospital. And I sat in the
hospital with her for like three weeks and then she
probably go out of the hospital and I came back
like a day after.

Speaker 3 (40:08):
He says, she out a hospital.

Speaker 1 (40:09):
Like yees, she got home like two days ago, he said,
she and out of the woods. Yet get back, go
back home. You know, we don't really need you right now.
And I looked at him, like, are you trying to
get rid of me on the slide? He said, no, Man,
family first, you know, family first, And that's what That's
how Pop always was. Man. You know, I just heard
the day about the story of the martow Rows when
his pops passed, and now it's like, and that goes

(40:30):
to show you, you know, there's some things bigger than
a freaking game, right, and Pop realized that, you know,
he was always about you know, spending time with your family,
doing what's important. And I remember even my last year,
I went to him and I was like, you know,
I want to ask a favor, like what I said,
it's my last year. I said, can I and my
son's on spring break. We're going on a road trip.

(40:52):
Can I bring my son with me?

Speaker 3 (40:53):
Like?

Speaker 1 (40:53):
Yeah, I don't even ask me no question like that.
He said, you know, it's it's just about the family.
It's about doing things, and a lot of teams wouldn't
let you do that. You know, it's because that members
was remember the Lakers back and the day you say
he can't get the flight back now was liability, you know,
insurance thing.

Speaker 3 (41:07):
I'm like, what is this a flight hole? What?

Speaker 1 (41:10):
So? But pot was He's he was really really good
about man, if it came down to your family, you
do whatever it's necessary for your family. Everybody talking about
the relationship that they had with Duncan because I think
Duncan was the lynch pin because you could coach him

(41:31):
Duncan hard, you can coach everybody else arm and Timmy
was receptive.

Speaker 3 (41:36):
And that's what you have to Timmy.

Speaker 2 (41:37):
Timmy was one of these superstars that if you didn't
watch the game, you would never know he was a superstar.
He didn't dress like a superstar. Hell, I'm be showed up.
What you pick up an M D P Trover with
flip flopping shorts?

Speaker 1 (41:47):
So like.

Speaker 2 (41:51):
What Walder swing on George.

Speaker 3 (41:56):
Ball?

Speaker 1 (41:57):
Yeah, jeans choice? David Third like, hey, but that was Timmy?

Speaker 2 (42:05):
What was it about Coach Pop and Tim's relationship that
made it so unique and special?

Speaker 1 (42:11):
I think we're gonna back this up a little bit
because you really have to credit David Robinson, Okay, because
you think about he had David Robinson when Tim came
and David was like, Yo, this is what we do here,
and Tim just follow suit. You know, Tim is just
that type of guy. He doesn't say much. You can talk.
If you talk about cars, he'll talk to you talk
about video games. He'll talk to you talk about poker,
those three things, and he'll talk about that.

Speaker 3 (42:33):
He ain't gonna really talk to you.

Speaker 1 (42:34):
For us, you know, we it took me a year
just to get him. Said a couple of words to me,
and but he is just a he. He is a
type of guy who's really focused. We don't you know,
we always talk about Kobe's worker. I think we talked about.
But this dude was always in the gym shooting jump shots.
You know, I'm always trying to get to perfect that
bank shot.

Speaker 3 (42:54):
If you know.

Speaker 1 (42:55):
He was famous for shooting a lot of free throws
because you know, that was one of.

Speaker 3 (42:58):
His down when he came in. Yeah, and he just
he worked hard.

Speaker 1 (43:04):
But he was just he if you talk about guys
who you know, I used to. I had to get
on to him one time, like, dude, can you fucking
yell at somebody? Man, you sitting up there like with
your mouth closed, you know, you yell at someone, you're
gonna be like, yeah, fucking everybody's gonna perk up and listen.
So he was just he was very mild man anyways,
mild mind. He didn't want to say much. But the

(43:25):
guy was he competed and he he was and when
he when he let you into his world, one of
the nicest guys you'll meet.

Speaker 2 (43:34):
You mentioned the Twin Towers because David Robinson was there,
but when David was, I mean they won them championship
with David, but David was on the tail end of
his career. That was that was I mean, basically Tim
Dunkett team from the time he walked in the door,
it was he was just that good. And he was
one of the last guys that was a true senior
that was the number one overall. Kenya Martin was the
last one, I think in two thousand, but Timmy was

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what ninety eight.

Speaker 3 (43:57):
I think the ninety eight draft was Timmy's first year.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
But he was the last, the last of those guys
that went four years of college and came out. So
he was more than ready, more than prepared for the
grind because basically he was a grown man when he
wasn't eighteen, he wasn't seventeen. Tim Dunckant was a twenty
two year old grown man when he got.

Speaker 3 (44:16):
To the NBA. You tell me something I did not know.
I thought he came out earlier.

Speaker 1 (44:21):
You just so you see everybody coming up earlier, you know,
thinking about and that's the one thing I hate about
the NBA.

Speaker 3 (44:27):
I know, these dududes.

Speaker 1 (44:28):
Are freaking twenty one when they get to college now,
but I just wish that that that that I was
about to say David Stern that Adam Silver put like
two years onto it. Because these guys, you can tell
by the way these guys play. Now, that's why so
many threes are being shot because they don't know how
to play. They're doing what's easy. It's taking the threes
and there learning the game. You know, you got some

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guys that are gonna come in the league that know
how to play the game because of the upbringing and
how they would talk.

Speaker 3 (44:55):
But it's just it's just it's just a lot.

Speaker 1 (44:57):
Of bad basketball being played because guys don't know how
to play. You know, do you think about tonight washing
the game? Like, dude, the first thing you learned in
high school and college is how to beat the damn zone.

Speaker 3 (45:07):
The zone is the easiest freaking thing to beat. And
you can't beat the zone.

Speaker 1 (45:10):
It's like go to the Oprah spots, go to the
Dunker spot, go back door. And it just shows you
right there that the guys aren't learning anything because they
all just trying to, you know, get to the next
level to the league without learning something. M Rob, you
played with some of the greats. I mean, you was
on team with him, Duncan. You was on a team
with Shaq and Kobe. You're on the King with a
lot Dream and Drexler, And I know people ask you
what the difference between Dream and Duncan, the difference between

(45:34):
Duncan and Shaq, the difference between Clyde and Kobe. What
are some of the different look because look, all of
those guys that I just mentioned are all the seventy
five greatest players in the NBA.

Speaker 2 (45:45):
History, MVP's Finals, MVPs, Defensive Players of the Year. When
you got when you got to the Rockets, what was
it about the Dream that you know, okay and this
gout special?

Speaker 3 (45:57):
What set him apart? Shit?

Speaker 1 (45:59):
I knew he was special when I watched him in
high school in college because when I was coming.

Speaker 3 (46:05):
Out, I want to play alongside this guy.

Speaker 1 (46:07):
You know, I was praying that I went to the
Rockets and the guy was and I did because you
could just see his work ethic, you know, you watch him.
You know, guys always talking about going into the lab.
Dream would be in the lab and we didn't even
know it. He would be working on stuff and then
he'll just all of a sudden in the game. You know,
you think about ninety five high annihilated David Robinson. Yeah,

(46:27):
because he said they took the game. Yeah, all that
stuff we had never seen before. You should have seen
us on the court. We're going like, oh, he became
fans on the court, right, and so he just and
you watch him, man, he just played hard. Man you
think about you know, back in the day when he
you forget, he used to knock some people out too.

Speaker 3 (46:47):
Oh yeah, you know he had that toughness. You know,
you l on him.

Speaker 1 (46:50):
He was he was because only a fifty dollars fires,
you know, push him in the face, and so he
had that toughness and he just had that.

Speaker 3 (46:57):
The one thing about Dream though, is.

Speaker 1 (47:00):
We talk about how hard guys plays, like how hard
Yannis plays.

Speaker 3 (47:04):
How hard Bronze and place, how hard he's got.

Speaker 1 (47:06):
Dream played hard each and every night, and you know,
people would talk about who's the greatest center, who's this?

Speaker 3 (47:13):
Who is that?

Speaker 1 (47:14):
Dream to me is always gonna be top three centers
because if he needed to shoot threes, he could have
shot threes. He didn't because he had us out there
and you couldn't stop him in the paint any damn way.

Speaker 3 (47:25):
So he's just gonna kill you that with you. So
he was just you know, he was just.

Speaker 1 (47:29):
A hard worker and the more important great guy because
he taught me about the business of basketball.

Speaker 3 (47:35):
He was like yo.

Speaker 1 (47:36):
I remember one time at a Christmas part he took
me outside and said, listen, listen, you're gonna be on
this team. Now, let's talk about, you know, things outside
of basketball. What you're doing with your money. You know,
how's the family? You know, are you investing? Do you
have the right people? He was just a good guy.
You know, a lot of guys now you know they
won't They won't come to you and be like, yo, man,
you need to check your findance.

Speaker 3 (47:57):
You need to do this. They like, fuck you.

Speaker 1 (47:58):
I learned it on my own, you know, and so
I just that's one of the things I loved about dreams.
He taught me about the business of basketball. So you
leave Houston and you go to the let well you
know you have you didn't gonna right and go there.

Speaker 3 (48:10):
Man, you got to talk about the signs.

Speaker 2 (48:12):
Mantle you have a little Piers started saying it and
feed it. You have a couple of coffee at the airport,
got right back on the plane and went to l A.

Speaker 3 (48:22):
So you get to l a shock.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
And Kobe mm hmmm, You're like, damn, got SHOQ, Got Kobe?
What what what y'all.

Speaker 3 (48:31):
Need to be to do? Yeah. You know what's weird.

Speaker 1 (48:33):
When I got there, man, I'm looking at the team.
We had Nick ban X at the point. Yep, we
had Eddie Jones at the two. I said, okay, I
can play the three. You know, back then I was
a three man. And I said, we got a young
guy like this. You know, everybody's like, oh, you got
to see this rookie Kobe Bryan. I'm like, who. And
then you can get to the practice. You see how
good this dude is. Okay, he's learning, and then you
got shocked, you know, you say, okay, Shaq just got

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beaten ninety five in the finals, and you got all
this talent. I said, oh man, we about to do
some work. And so we're gonna do some work for
some years. Because everybody's young, everybody's on a thirty. But
sometimes it goes to show you too many cooks in
the kitchen when it comes to basketball ain't good. You
gotta have some guys that are blue guys, some screw guys,
you know, some boats and and do the things to

(49:15):
keep the team together. And you think about we had
four All Stars and then we got swept by a
damn team that has been together for thirty years.

Speaker 3 (49:24):
That was Kobe's rookie year, wasn't it. That was Kobe's
rookie year. Yeah, yep.

Speaker 1 (49:28):
And then and then and then ninety nine, you know,
we got beat We got beat by the Spurs, lost
the last game in the form to the Spurs. And
then that was when we got new coaches, and we
said we got rid of Nick, we got rid of Eddie,
and we bought in defensive minded people. You know. He
brought in Ron Harper, We bought in b Shaw, we
bought in Rick Fox.

Speaker 3 (49:46):
We did all these things. Brought in a C. Green
and it was that glue who was whole.

Speaker 2 (49:51):
Grant did a whole great only came.

Speaker 3 (49:53):
For the last hope.

Speaker 1 (49:54):
Grant was on the second champion in two thousand and
two thousand and one.

Speaker 3 (49:57):
Right, yeah, so, and it was just weird, man.

Speaker 1 (49:59):
You just and it goes to show you when you
got too much talent, but when you got when you
got enough talent and you got guys who mature, and
you can you can tell Kobe and Shot to shut
up and sit you ass down and do what you're
supposed to do. They gonna they gonna, you think about it.
We used to tell Kobe, all, dude, you ain't doing
that at night a Shack, you ain't doing that.

Speaker 3 (50:20):
And they would listen to us because we are veteran guys.

Speaker 1 (50:23):
You know.

Speaker 3 (50:23):
Now you got this going on.

Speaker 1 (50:25):
Guy, you know, respect us and we had a lot
of respect for one another, and it was no animosity.
And people always ask me about the Kobe Shaq thing.
I was like, man, I must have been fucking blinded
because they never had beef in front of us. It
was all in the papers man, you know, And that
was the weirdest thing. When people like, we'll talk about it,
I'm like they in the locker room, laughing and joking.

(50:46):
They the first people to hug after a championship. I know.
You tell me you you want a championship. Who was
the first person you honged, you hugged after you want
to Champion's probably your favorite player.

Speaker 3 (50:56):
On the team.

Speaker 1 (50:56):
Absolutely, And so that's why I was like, men arriving says, oh,
they're decent.

Speaker 3 (51:00):
I'm like, when where? So it was just weird to me.
How cool with Shaq?

Speaker 2 (51:04):
You look at Shack and I tell people I would
pay people realize how athletic Shock was. When Shaq got
to the league, like Shaq first five or six years
when Shaq was like seven one three twenty five and
can move like a dear. We're never going to see
that again. Yeah, you never got your size with that
kind ofigility. You're just not Now. You might have like
Yoga's got the footwork and Joel of me got footwork,

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but I'm talking about your raw athleticism and power.

Speaker 3 (51:28):
Yeah, you're gonna again. Never, yeah, never.

Speaker 1 (51:32):
You know, you think about if he always tell if
you start a team, if I could take the two thousand,
the nineteen nine nine, two thousand shock, the MVP shack
and have him that shack and put him on, that's
my first person, Not Jordan, not Dream, not Kareem. That's
the first person I'm picked to start my mind, if
I can get that shack because he was just so dominant,

(51:53):
he was just so strong, so athletic.

Speaker 3 (51:55):
You thinking about this, this guy can bring.

Speaker 1 (51:57):
The ball down, cross your spin, take from outside the paint,
then monkey dunck on your ass and then you can
do it.

Speaker 3 (52:04):
You know, And.

Speaker 1 (52:06):
You go back and look at a lot of tape
and I've heard this out of Reugh mouth, so I'm
sitting there. You can hear all you is on him
and he's not getting the call. He's like, oh, he's
too big, he should be able to handle that. I'm like, dude,
it's a freaking file. He's slapping his show. Y'all say
all right, y'all gonna piss him off, and then I'm
gonna get out of the way cause hes gonna start
elbowing people. And you can tell when he got frustrated,
cause he'll do that spin. He don't care who I'm like,

(52:33):
so yeah he was. He was like I said, if
you got one player, one moment, I'm taking nineteen ninety nine,
two thousand shock and I'm starting the team with that guy.

Speaker 2 (52:45):
If I can get that guy each and every night, okay, Kobe, Kobe.
If a seventeen, he gets there seventeen. Now by the
time they start to win championships, he's the Kobe. He's
he's become what he became, and you get to see
it on full display. He can still elevate over the top.
He got the minute he could up. Oh he had

(53:08):
he had the package. And if you need him to
sit in the chair for forty minutes and take the polling
team's point two.

Speaker 1 (53:15):
And three best player and he wanted that challenge. And
you know, you, you know, I know you think Lebron
is the greatest of all time. And you people talk about, uh,
MJ been the greatest of all time. Why don't you
think you when you watch Kobe Bryant, he did every
freaking thing like MJ. And he probably took it to

(53:38):
another level because Kobe. You know, when Kobe first came
in the league, we used to laugh and joke him
like you can't shoot threes?

Speaker 3 (53:44):
He just shoot threes like MJ. But he we would
like joke with him.

Speaker 1 (53:49):
So that dude been in the gym every morning at
five o'clock shooting number threes and now he can shoot threes.
And it's things like that that why he was great.
You could tell him he was not good at something,
he would prove you wrong by going and working on
it and added to his game. This dude, you know,
God rest his soul. Was the hardest working dude I've
ever seen in my life. And you think about where

(54:11):
he went from his rookie year where he just played Wow. Yeah,
you know he didn't have no structure to his game
to understanding that, Oh, I got to tone this down
and I don't know if it's because he talked to MJ,
he talked to Field and whatnot. But when he got filled,
it made him more structure than I've ever seen before.
So the dude was just phenomenal.

Speaker 3 (54:32):
Man.

Speaker 1 (54:32):
So I hate when we talk about the goat and
we never bring him up like because it's like, you know,
to me, the.

Speaker 3 (54:39):
Goats are.

Speaker 1 (54:41):
MJ, Kobe, Lebron, and Kareem. Those are the goats. And
why do we have to put one, one, two, one,
three and four? Those four guys right there? Why Gay camps?
Just four ghosts? That's the mount rushmore right there?

Speaker 2 (54:53):
Why why didn't playing on that team alongside Shaq and Kobe?

Speaker 3 (54:58):
Why didn't they win more individual MVPs?

Speaker 2 (55:01):
Kobe didn't win one until later late like two thousand
and one, I think two thousand and nine to twenty and.

Speaker 3 (55:06):
Ten, he won the MVP.

Speaker 2 (55:07):
Why didn't they win if Why didn't Shaq win more MVPs?
Why didn't Kobe win MVPs? Did they cancel each other out?

Speaker 3 (55:14):
I don't think they counted each other.

Speaker 1 (55:16):
I just think you know, if you if you look
at the league back then, it was hard to win
back to backs unless she was a white guy.

Speaker 3 (55:24):
I mean Steve Nash.

Speaker 1 (55:26):
And so you know, you think about that second Steve
Nash have it for real though.

Speaker 3 (55:32):
So it's so many things you can look at it.
It's just weird. You know. You think about MJ when
he was in the league.

Speaker 1 (55:38):
He didn't win it every year, you know, it's always
someone different. And like you think about this year, even
though Jokic is having the best freaking career, best year
of his career, he.

Speaker 3 (55:48):
Ain't gonna Wina, you know, and and and it's just
how they do it.

Speaker 1 (55:53):
And I don't know why, but I think Kobe should
have probably run at least three.

Speaker 3 (55:57):
Shack should run at least that's just actually won at
least two.

Speaker 1 (56:01):
You know, I think I say, the year he wanted
he should have won it, and then the following.

Speaker 3 (56:06):
Year he should have won it. Okay, you know.

Speaker 1 (56:07):
Other than that, I think, you know, because you think
about his third our third championship, he wasn't as dominant
as he was. He was still effective, he just didn't
bring that you think about it, he wasn't the Shack
before that, and that's what they based off. They always say, Okay,
we're gonna take your last year. What did you do
better than that year. And I think he was just consistent.

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He never like went up a little bit to another level.

Speaker 2 (56:32):
Uh, Jim Duncan. Yeah, Tim Duncan had one of the
great games. He had a damn near quadruple double. He
was two blocks away from a quadruple double in an
NBA Finals game when he played when he played the Nets,
uh that year, I think he had twenty one points,
twenty rebound hit, a fists and eight blocks.

Speaker 3 (56:55):
Yeah, but that's a nets man in this We had
just swear and just swept.

Speaker 1 (57:01):
The next year before that or whatever it wasn't next
was like, you know, poor poor Jason, Richard Jefferson, that crew.
You know, you were the beast in the East. But
when it came to playing teams used to wear it.
You was just like you like the legs and the clippers,
just a little brother. So it was it was they
made it a good challenge. But you go back and
look at the East. Back then East was terrible man

(57:24):
and so but Tim Duncan though, that goes to show
you when he wants to take over, he can take
over man. He and and the one thing I like
about Tim when he comes to blocking shots, he didn't
care if you dunked him. He's like, shit, I don't care.
I don't know have social media. I don't care what
you say. You know, people in San Antonio gonna still
bow down to me. And you know most guys were
shop away from trying to, you know, go up against

(57:45):
the venice car think you might get dunked on. They're like, no,
I ain't challenging that. Tim didn't give a shit. He
would try to challenge you anywhere to block it because
he knew nine times out of ten he was gonna
block it.

Speaker 3 (57:55):
It's gonna start a fast break.

Speaker 2 (57:57):
All right, your Mount Rushmore teammates. You get four teammates
on on Mitt Rushmore. Who you going with?

Speaker 3 (58:04):
Dream Shaq, Kobe Clyde.

Speaker 2 (58:11):
Damn, you ain't cloud over Timmy.

Speaker 1 (58:15):
You know what this is the one other things you know,
I love Timmy. I'm going with Clyde. Clyde, my boy man.
You know, sometimes personal feelings get in the way. So hey,
I'm doing to Steve Kurr right now. Hey, But you know,
people don't. I think people forget how good Clyde was.

Speaker 2 (58:35):
I mean, he come, he took a kind of a
backseat roll when he got to Houston. But but but Clyde, Clyde,
I remember, hell, I remember what he was dunking on
everybody at five Slamma Jaman in the.

Speaker 1 (58:46):
University of Houston. But he used to Clyde used to elevate.

Speaker 3 (58:52):
Yeah, you know.

Speaker 1 (58:53):
And another reason I ain't put Tim in that because
I remember, you know, I'm Washington Hall of Fame ceremony
and watch Rudy T getting inducted. And then when Rudy
T gave me a shout out for the Hall of
Fame and they're paying through the crowd, and Tim then clapped.
So that's why I ain't on my right because I

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just got I thought it comes to motherfucker, I saved.
You don't answer two thousand.

Speaker 3 (59:19):
And five excuse about life like you better get your
hands up and clap.

Speaker 1 (59:24):
Damn.

Speaker 2 (59:25):
They Spurns got some cap space.

Speaker 3 (59:30):
They got it. They got to night Day.

Speaker 2 (59:31):
They got Stefan Castle's Rookie of the Year. Wimby was
the previous rookie of the year. They got do they
would you make the move for y honest? Would you
try to package some pieces for y? Honis that's the
thing you got? You forgot about Darren Fox?

Speaker 3 (59:48):
I think.

Speaker 1 (59:50):
That's that's hard to say. I would because you can't
pass them. Oh, I think that's gonna be the hottest
commanded this summer. Everybody's going wrong with the great treat
because he's that type of player. You know, I missed
him really how hard he played. So this is gonna
be really interesting to see where he goes. If Milwaukee
want to give him up. But if I'm the if
I'm the Spurs, we got the cast space to why

(01:00:10):
not go after him because you know he'll love it
there because he got a good The one thing about
the Spurs franchise is a good franchise. They're very humble
franchised and you don't have to worry about a lot
of outside No. If you think about in La, in
the Chicago, New York, there's a lot of outside knowing.
So you being in Milwaukee are used to the outside. No,

(01:00:33):
it's been at a minimum. So if you go to
the Spurs, you in the same thing. So I don't
know if he wants that. I don't know if he wants,
you know, be more. You know, I can't get no
more notable as Greek freak. But does he want a
bigger market? That's why it boils down. He wants that market.

Speaker 4 (01:00:47):
It boils down to a bigger market. I haven't talked
to Greek freak, but I talked to the powers that be.
We're gonna do everything we can to get him down
here in Miami.

Speaker 3 (01:00:56):
I'm told. I'm told that already.

Speaker 4 (01:00:58):
I'm not sure why he continues to add that question. Hey, Rob,
I've sat down with Mickey Harrison. I sat down with
pat Riley. Patts is willing to change some of his
ways and and let the reins go a little bit
on the way he conducts himself and to.

Speaker 3 (01:01:11):
Come to to the entity that is known as the
Miami Heat. So uh, and we also wanna get John
wrong too. They don't want that dog.

Speaker 1 (01:01:20):
Yeah, I'm just telling you, telling you he would fit
in great in Miami. But you're gonna have to give up,
you know, a lot to get him to Miami. That's fine,
That's that's fine.

Speaker 3 (01:01:31):
We want to get it. But if you give up stuff,
you're gonna be right where the Phoenix Suns are. You
give up all that.

Speaker 1 (01:01:36):
You got three guys making one hundred and fifty million,
but your bench sucks. Yeah, left the nuggets. He went
to the next but what he wanted to play with.
They ended up going to going to Denver, and then
you had to trade those draft picks. So now you there,
you basically by yourself, like you when you were in
them in Denver.

Speaker 3 (01:01:58):
We're gonna we're gonna make it. We're gonna make it work.

Speaker 1 (01:02:01):
The volume