Nightcap - Hour 1: TJ Watt's MONSTER extension + Jerry Jeudy on Shedeur & Browns expectations

Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson react to TJ Watt's $123 Million extension with the Steelers, Cowboys stalled negotiations with Micah Parson, and Jerry Jeudy joins to talk Browns expectations and Shedeur Sanders

00:00 - Introduction
03:00 - TJ Watt
18:00 - Cowboys dock Diggs
21:00 - Jerry Jeudy
38:05 - Shemar Stewart
41:30 - Jimmy Horn Jr
56:15 - Chargers’ Mike Williams retires after 8 seasons

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joining us tonight. We also have Jimmy Horn Jr. Joining
us tonight. But first the news of the day, TJ.
Watt agrees to a three year extension worth one hundred

(01:29):
twenty three million dollars. He becomes the highest non paid
quarterback in NFL history. One hundred and eight million of
that is fully guaranteed. The four time All Pro edge
rusher in twenty twenty one defensive Player of the Year
tied at NFL record with twenty two and a half sacks.
At forty one million per year, Watt deal sneaks past

(01:49):
Miles Garrett reconsenting deal four years at one hundred and
sixty million dollars agreed upon in March. Watt also leaps
Fogg's Jamar Chase forty point three million dollar deal for
the highest non paid quarterback in NFL history. Now there
are no more lingering issues. You know, Cam Heywood had

(02:10):
his thing last year. He's in camp. He was standing
on business. He's in camp. They signed they signed Aaron
Rodgers in free agency. They traded for Jalen Ramsey, They
signed Darius Slay in free agency. They signed DK metcalf
in free agency. Pittsburgh out of excuses. Yeah, absolutely, What

(02:32):
can we expect from the Steelers this year?

Speaker 2 (02:35):
Now, I don't know what I'm gonna expect from the
Steelers offensively. I don't know because I don't know what
we're gonna get out of Aaron Rodgers. Saw we saw
what he looked like. But the Jets obviously one season
having an injury. Again, I always say we'll see flashes
of Aaron Rodgers offensively. DK Metcalfe is going to be
one of those have to be one of those players.
Him and Calvin Austin the third, the type of receivers

(02:56):
that elevate the quarterbacks play. They have to elevate at
the quarterback play and always be on ten offensively, but
the Pittsburgh Steelers are now defensively on paper, that is
their identity. You know, the days of Antonio Brown is
Antonio Holmes and Hines Ward and Ben Roethlisberg at the
helm where they throw the ball like, yeah, Leveon Bell.

(03:20):
Those days are gone. Those days are going to their
identity now in a passing lead, in a pass happy league.
Era has now switched back to their identity being their defense,
and they're gonna have to play like it, and they're
gonna have to win using their defense. They're gonna have
to lead them.

Speaker 1 (03:37):
I like the fact that they got TJ Watt done. Yeah,
I think everybody. I think everybody's happy TJ becomes the
highest played non quarterback Steelers get the years they won't.
They didn't want to go five, they didn't want to
go six years. They didn't want to be You know,
we got this guy and we on the hook he
got he got a boatload of money. He got one
hundred and eight million of the one to twenty three
fully guaranteed.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
Yeah, yeah, I hear it.

Speaker 1 (04:01):
Hey, you know what, I don't even want that that
an extra fifteen I'm good. Oyo, you gave this man
on a three year deal one hundred and eight, So
you gave this man, damn there eight well eighty. I
don't know what that is eighty seven eighty eight percent
of the money guarantee, fully guaranteed.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
Yeah, and you know you're here in some things I
don't like. I hate hearing people say, oh, he's too old,
he's over the heell, and I'm like, I mean, dude, like,
what do we talk about it? What did we talk
about here? We talk about TJ. Watt? Because if it
wasn't there, he get paid exactly that maybe or somewhere else,
like stop playing because you know what you get. You
know what you get with the product. You know, he's

(04:38):
not falling off. No, goddamn cliff, no time soon. It's
not happening. He's not one of those type of players.

Speaker 1 (04:44):
They thought enough of him, they didn't trade him. If
you thought he was over the hill, white, then they
traded man.

Speaker 2 (04:49):
You know, goodwill. They weren't letting that. But you know exactly,
come on now.

Speaker 1 (04:52):
So you don't get you don't get. I mean theoretically
they could o yo, you don't get to say I'm old,
don't trade me, but then don't want to pay me.
Nah nah, one of the other. Either you pay me
or allowed me to go someplace else to get paid.
I agree, he's one of those guys, the Terry Bradshaw,
the John Star Wars, Lamb Swans One, you know, Mal Blunt, Lambert,

(05:13):
those guys, Joe Green, Team one, Helmet Guy Hines Ward.
He's Ben Roethlisberger. He's deserving of that. He's been a
phenomenal player. He's been a model citizen since he's been
in Pittsburgh. I don't have a problem with this, Like
you said, Oh Joe, he's thirty. That may seem let
to do thirty five. He's thirty.

Speaker 2 (05:32):
Wait, he only thirty. Thirty man, Why ain't got me
thinking t that?

Speaker 1 (05:37):
Listen.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
I didn't look at his as they got me thinking
he was like thirty three, thirty four to thirty five
or something like that. Oh man, he good man, Man.
I'm glad I didn't.

Speaker 1 (05:46):
I team because because fans listen to teams and it
seems like thirty. That was the forty nine ers, forty
nine ers, forty nine ers, and you know brand, you know,
go way back. If you look at them. They started
getting off their guys at thirty because it's it's they
look at it like if it's better to get rid
of a guy here as opposed to a year late
and if you go back and look at his study

(06:07):
Coach Belichick history, he always got off guys a year early.
He said, I'd rather be than have you rock on
the vine in my vineyard. I'd rather you move on.
I'd rather not have to pay that. But I don't think.
I think TJ. Watts, he's been a double digit sack guy.
Basically his entire career been a hovering He's been Defensive
Player of the Year. He's been hovering around Defensive Player

(06:27):
of the Year year after year after year. I think
this is the right move by the Steelers. And like
you said, now you got Jalen Ramsey back there, They're
probably gonna kick Ram to the safety position. Now he
can cover your tight end, he can cover the he
can play the slot. I don't know who jumps in
the slot. You can't have three guys outside. Somebody would
have to play the slot, either Porter, Junior, Sleigh a

(06:48):
Ram But uh maybe who knows. Maybe they have a
slot corner and they leave Ram at the safety position.
Who knows. But I like I like this move because
I think TJ. Watt had earned this. He didn't deserve it,
because they gave him this money. They didn't give him
this money based on what he's done. They gave him
this money that they would still believe that he could
play out of the late left.

Speaker 2 (07:07):
Yes, absolutely absolutely, And then you know what you know,
Jerry Jones on the clock.

Speaker 1 (07:12):
Oh yeah, My next question, how to this impact Michael
Parsons because because you waited now, because you remember O
Joe Crosby, Max Crosby, he came to thirty five, he polled,
vaulted a Nick Moosa, he went to thirty five. Miles
Garret said, hold my beer. He goes to forty. Now TJ.
Wattson forty one. Keep doing this, Jerry. You didn't learn

(07:36):
your lesson with DAK, so guess what you did. You
did the same thing with CD. You didn't learn your
lesson with CD. You did the same thing with Micah.
Now I know you do all this talking like, oh yeah, Michael,
blah blah blah. Mike ain't give you this guy, Michael
Parson is gonna be the highest page and he's gonna
get more than what TJ. Watt got, fully guaranteed, and
he's earned that. He didn't deserve it, he earned it.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
Yeah, I just have a question for you, and you
might know better than me when it comes to owners
and it comes to paying players. Why do they do this?
Why did they hold off? I mean, what is the
point in general? And Jerry, I mean, what what is it?
What is it that they're doing or trying to get
in order? What some type of affairs the books and
the money? I mean, I mean, what.

Speaker 1 (08:20):
Didn't we didn't we hear this thing that uh problem
Tory about the collusion thing. We're trying to keep these
salaries down load Joe, We're trying to keep this guaranteed
money down. What do you mean what are they doing?

Speaker 2 (08:31):
Okay, okay, okay, all right, okay.

Speaker 1 (08:35):
After DeShawn Watson got that put a guaranteed contract, we
a lot of people thought that was gonna coll of
be commonplace. They've tried to suppress that, and they will
continue to try to suppress that.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
It's only it's only.

Speaker 1 (08:51):
Hopefully, hopefully hopefully Michael keeps keeps us put on the
gas and says, nah, we're gonna keep this thing north north,
heading towards the or Star forty two million. I'm gonna
need forty two and the next great defensive edge rusher.
I don't know who that mean. Garrett, burst Jalen Carter,
I'm going forty I'm going forty three and I'm going

(09:11):
and I'm I'm gonna need whatever Michael got fully guaranteed.
I'm gonna need that.

Speaker 2 (09:17):
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (09:18):
I love it. I love it. Yeah, Michael seemed that
he said today that it's heading in the direction that
it didn't need the head. You know, you you know,
and he spoke about Dak's supposed to get it done,
and you wait till the last minute, and then you
have to overpay DK and you paid see you wait
to CD, and then you probably had that. You probably

(09:39):
could have got CD for a couple of million dollars cheaper.
You damn sure could have got Dak for a couple
of million dollars cheaper. But you didn't learn your lesson
the first time with Dak because you let him go
all the way to the end of the contract, and
then he was hoping he'd give you a deal like
Jared goff and And and Carson Wiz gave him even
though they were first and second pick in the draft.
They got the big signing bonus, and they came to

(09:59):
him in year three, Dak Prescott says, I'm at the
end of my contract. These guys still got two years
and two franchise tags, so theoretically they got four years left.
I got none. And you want me to give them
the same deal? You want me to give you the
same deal they gave their teams.

Speaker 2 (10:15):
Absolutely not, absolutely not.

Speaker 1 (10:19):
You'd have thought by now he'd have learned this lesson,
but Jared hasn't.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
Maybe maybe he's doing it on purpose because he likes,
for one, the attention and the big splash he gets
to make when it does when he actually does pay
the said player. Maybe he likes it this way.

Speaker 1 (10:32):
Yeah, look, I mean you're paying I mean, think about it.
You're paying a quarterback. You're paying your quarterback sixty million.
That's more. That's more than all the top quarterbacks, all
the top quarterbacks that's been in the NFC champion that's
been in the championship game, that's been to a super
that's been to h that's been to a Super Bowl.
He's making more than my homes. He's money more than Lamar,

(10:54):
he's making more than Borough, he's making more than Josh Allen.
People like, hold on, wait a minute, but that's what
happens when you wait till the umpteenth hour. To get
something done. I like it, Michael says, the Cowboys are
making it more complicated than it has to be. We

(11:15):
obviously want to get a deal done earlier. We want
the relief off our backs, but obviously ownership always going
to make make it drag out, make it more complicated
than it has to be. Lack of communication. I just
never understand when guys come into the league, they are
consistent and they perform well, why they've got such an urge,
But then as they have just one good year, maybe
two good years, they get right away. And now you've

(11:39):
got TJ. Watt, you got Max Crosby, all these other
guys are getting paid, and you can't want what us take.
You can't want us to take less because you wanted
to decide to wait what I tell you.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
Oh, they trying to play that game with you, mom.

Speaker 1 (11:56):
The longer you wait and see, that's what happened with Jerry,
the longer he waited. All of a sudden, twenty eight
million wasn't the going rate for a quarterback. Now it's
thirty two, Now it's thirty four. Okay, he got to
thirty million, the thirty plus million dollar, the forty million
dollar deal, now all of a sudden, it wasn't forty
five forty six, it was fifty five. So now he
goes to sixty because you waited, you waited you ay,

(12:21):
you waited on on Jefferson. So guess what ceee Lamb like. Okay,
I take a a million dollar less a year, but
I ain't going to less than that. Michael had made
it a bundan of the clip from the very beginning.
My agent will, my representative will be handling all negotiations.
We're not I'm not coming to your house. We're not
going out to have a drink, and I'm not signing anything.

(12:42):
That's what I hired an agent for.

Speaker 2 (12:43):
Would you say, I'm not coming to your house.

Speaker 1 (12:46):
Yeah, I'm not coming to your house. Et no nachos
and drink no beer. We're not that type. We're not
that type of part. We're not that type of part.
Try to they try to pull you in like they're
your best friend. Both yes, yes, business.

Speaker 2 (12:57):
At the end of the day, they will always remember that.

Speaker 1 (13:01):
That's the ultimate love. When you in the workplace environment,
the ultimate love is currency. You could say, oh he's
a hard worker. I love this guy here. No, no, no, no.
The way you show me you love me, the way
you show me you appreciate me, is to break me off.
All that other stuff's dress. That's it, that's white noise. Michael.

(13:27):
Michael want his money. He's he's he's earned it. I mean,
he's been defensive, he's been he was defensive Rookie of
the Year, or he's finished couple of second times. I
think a couple of times the defensive Player of the Year.
He's always hovering around. And even even his off year
is double digits. Heven his off year. Even last year
he had a down year. He I mean, he came

(13:49):
home but and he probably had some things going on
that you know, he played through with their hopes and
you know what, They're gonna take care of me because
they know what I got going on. They know I'm
banged up, they know I got a knee or I
got something going on, so that they gonna take care
of me.

Speaker 2 (14:07):
And this is this is how they do it.

Speaker 1 (14:08):
Uh thought it was a donut. You'll tried to glaze me.
Now give me my bread. I need all that Hey
thought I was what yep, thought it was a donut.
They tried to glaze this many that's a good goal.
Michael is prob for a four year extension. If TJ
got three for one twenty three, Miles got four for one. Yeah,

(14:30):
I'm at I'm at four for one fifty and I'm
gonna need If TJ got one, got one hundred and
eight game full of guaranteed, I'm gonna need one twenty five.

Speaker 2 (14:44):
Hey, but that's that good money, that brock.

Speaker 1 (14:49):
Yes, yes, I want to hear that. And now you
know we we how we treat our players and all that. Yeah,
you treat your players. Pay me. That's the only that's
the only language. That's that's the only a language I speak.
Washington and Lincoln and Jefferson and Chase, that's what that's grant,
that's what I speak. I speak. That's the lame.

Speaker 2 (15:10):
And Mica is going into his last year. Yeah or no, no,
we got two more left.

Speaker 1 (15:15):
I think he I think I think Michael's I think
Michael ills. I think it's the fourth head into his fifth.

Speaker 2 (15:21):
Okay, Yeah, I wonder if I wonder if they're player around.
I wonder if they I mean knowing Jerry ain't no
telling how they how they're gonna rock if they let
him play that last one out o they you think,
man ain't no telling, Ain't no telling with them, un
ain't no telling.

Speaker 1 (15:41):
I mean, well, I mean it, he's only twenty six.

Speaker 2 (15:47):
I mean the way we value players basically what they
can do, the owners don't really value them.

Speaker 1 (15:52):
Oh he played on the fifth, Oh he played option.
He came in and twenty he came in, twenty one,
twenty one, twenty two, twenty three, twenty four. He's on
a fift year option.

Speaker 2 (16:05):
If they hadn't picked it up, he could have been
anywhere right now. Yeah, they knew what they were doing.

Speaker 1 (16:11):
He gonna be the highest paid.

Speaker 2 (16:13):
I don't know. I don't listen. I don't know what
they waiting on. That's the part I don't understand. I mean,
and why did they do Why did they do it
with every player? I mean, well, they're not the only team.
I'm just saying.

Speaker 1 (16:25):
I get why they Well, you gave you gave Dak
in CD, so obviously you couldn't pay dak You know
that CD that and give him what he was waited.
But now you don't got those You got those other
two guys out of the way. You got to take
care of you ain't got I mean, you got you.
You don't have anybody else coming down the pipeline. Pretty
soon you're gonna have your big offensive line. With Smith
coming down the pipeline, you're gonna have. You gonna have

(16:46):
to take care of him.

Speaker 2 (16:49):
Oh my goodness.

Speaker 1 (16:52):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (16:53):
I don't, I don't know. You know, Jerry does things
his way. He says he's the best at what he does.

Speaker 1 (16:59):
He's not.

Speaker 2 (16:59):
He's is he says he is, And there's no one
else that's shit, you know, to run that team the
way he does.

Speaker 1 (17:07):
I go in my garage and I lay on the floor.
I'm a Mercedes. No I'm not. I'm a damn food
laying on my garage floor. Just got somebody say some issue.
Just got somebody say some ish that'll make it true.

Speaker 2 (17:25):
Hey, that's a good one.

Speaker 1 (17:27):
Yeah he not.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
You know, that's a good one.

Speaker 1 (17:34):
Cowboys doc Trayvon Diggs five hundred thousand dollars for not
rehabbing with the team enough. Diggs is believed to be
the first Cowboys player to see his base salary lord.
Because of it, The team had an option option to
not enforce the clause, but chose to. Is this, Uh,
oh Joe, what are we supposed to what are we

(17:54):
making of this? Are they being petty or what are
they trying to do?

Speaker 2 (17:58):
I wouldn't say they're being petty. It's that business we
just talked about. It's that business. And then understanding, listen,
we're paying you a certain amount, we would like you
here the rehab. We think we have the best resources,
and we would like to keep the rehab that you
are doing that make sure you're coming along at at
a rate that is sufficient, good pace for us, so

(18:23):
you're able to contribute, you know, end season when it's
time to actually play. I mean, but listen, that that's tough.
That that's tough, that's that's a that's a great area.
You really don't want to play with not knowing what
a team might want to do to you. Just you
know how they treat you when you're hurting. Now you
know you know how they treat you. That they're willing
to keep you around, knowing how valuable we are and

(18:46):
what you can do once you're on the field and
you are healthy, and they give you the opportunity to
get right, I think I I think I would take
an advantage advantage of that. But obviously Trayvon Diggs who
is a veteran who has the same resources and the
same maybe maybe doctors and treatments and stuff wherever he
may be and see fit in getting healthy there. But

(19:09):
is it worth losing the money? I mean, but the
kind of money they're passing out now and he's that
five hundred thousand.

Speaker 1 (19:16):
I mean, that's something you run by the team, OJO.
Because remember it's being reported. We don't know if it's
true or not. That one of the issues the Bucks
had with Dane is that he wanted to rehab in Portland.
He wanted to be close to his kid. And I
probably think we're gonna talk about it. Is that. I
think he's in negotiation to re sign and go back
to Portland because that's where his kids. Yeah, but I'm

(19:38):
saying I know he was talking about it, but I
have some other stuff going on. But with that being said,
that's something you run by the team. Is it We're
gonna be required for me to be trained to rehab
here or may I be rehabed elsewhere? You run that
by the team because at the end of the day,
they pay it. They pay the salary, that's I mean,

(19:58):
they pay They're paying you twins twenty five thirty million dollars. Yeah,
and I think you know, Digg's at one point in
time was making I think he makes twenty million dollars
a year. I ain't counting a man pocket. I'm just
saying that's something you get clearance from the team war because,
like you said, oh your five hundred thousand. You know, hey,
that ain't no that that's that's that's a good little chuck.

Speaker 2 (20:17):
Change, I mean to them, mm hmm, Judy, what's up?
Why we can't see your face?

Speaker 1 (20:29):
We can't there we go go, oh there you go? Okay, Hey,
with no further adude, let's welcome Jerry. Judy h former
number one draft pick up the Denver Broncos, A, former
Blitnicop Award winner, former uh A National champion with the
Alabama Road to Here. He is Jerry, you were one

(20:51):
of you're one of the guys that attended the Wide
Receiver workshop. Obviously it was down in your neck of
the woods, South Florida. Why was it important for you
to attend this shop?

Speaker 3 (20:59):
You know, it's I was great to be able to
be around a great group of guys, guys that at
the top of their position.

Speaker 1 (21:05):
You know.

Speaker 3 (21:05):
I you know, I grew up watching Chad, so you
know it was a very special moment for me just
to be able to be out there and learn from
him and all the other guys I was out there.

Speaker 1 (21:18):
NFL ranked you number eighty two, the eighty second best
player in the NFL after the twenty fourth season. You
were not even ranked prior to that. What should Cleveland
expect this year? Eighty two? So clearly you see that
like eighty two. Nah, I'm trying to get on dining.
I'm trying to get down to the fifties. I'm trying
to get to the thirties. I'm trying to get to

(21:38):
the twentieth. I'm trying to be when they talk about
the five best receivers, when they talk about the ten
best receiver, I needed them to talk about you.

Speaker 3 (21:45):
Yeah, for sure, you know that's my goal. You know,
I want to be at the top of my position.
You know, I'm just keep grinding and stay focused and
continue to work on my craft and work to be
better than I was the year prior. And I'm still
chase that each and every day and every year.

Speaker 1 (22:02):
Let me ask you this because I'm always because I
look when you came out in the draft. I say,
he's the best guy in the draft. And I you
were in the draft with Jefferson and you're in the
graft with Cede Lamb. So I'm not gonna do hide
and slight. And those guys are having phenomenal seasons. Why
do you think the main reason it didn't work for you?
And and and and I think I know the reason why.
But I want to hear you said. I want to

(22:23):
hear you, hear what you have to say. Why weren't
you able to replicate in Denver what you're currently doing
in Cleveland? One.

Speaker 3 (22:31):
I think, you know, just consistency just through throughout the
whole offense, you know, and just a lot of moving
pieces and a lot of stuff that I had to
deal with when it comes to playing football, you know,
such as injuries, you know, different quarterback in every game,
different coaching staff.

Speaker 1 (22:49):
You know.

Speaker 3 (22:49):
So that's something that could really affect our receiver and
his you know. But now that I got the opportunity
to really you know, had a healthy season, you know,
being able to be that Nomber one receiver, be that.

Speaker 1 (23:01):
Number one option, and be able to.

Speaker 3 (23:04):
Get put into a great position to be able to
perform the way I've done. You know, you know that's
that's all the receiver could ask for for real.

Speaker 2 (23:11):
Yeah, I like it. I already know the type of
season you're gonna have. You you're gonna build off what
you did last year, and it all comes down to
being not only consistent, but when you are consistent, consistency
bring confidence and based on where you're from, you already
know what happens when we feel in confident and it's
time to play football. So I'm excited for you. I'm
excited for what you guys are going to do with

(23:31):
Joe Flacco and in Chador Gabriel people, whoever it is,
whoever's it the hell to me. Knowing what you can
do at the receiver position, you make everyone else in
job around you easy. I've said that to you and
in person. I said it to you, you know before
in general. So this season coming up, are there any
goals that you've already set long term, short term, whatever

(23:54):
it may be, numbers numbers wise, you don't have to
say anything specific. I just I just want to know
what goals you had this upcoming season for you individually.

Speaker 3 (24:04):
Honestly, one of my biggest goals for is just having
a winning season. You know, That's that's something that I
haven't really done since entering the entering the league, you know,
never reached the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (24:14):
You know, that's one of my biggest goals.

Speaker 3 (24:15):
So having a winning season and be able to reach
the playoffs, that's something I'm truly working hard toils and
just being better than I was last year. You know,
I had a great season last year, finished six and
receiving yards and I'm still trying to trace that number
one spot and you know, and I ain't gonna stop
till I get there.

Speaker 1 (24:31):
I like that Jue you mentioned. You mentioned like when
you're in Denver, there are a lot of moving parts.
You know, a lot of quarterback the quarterbacks in and out.
You had a lot of offensive you know, offense schemes.
Now it might be a similar situation. You got Joe Flacco,
who's the veteran. You got Kenny Pickett, they drafted Dylan Gabriel,
the drafted Shador Sanders. Has everybody stood out to you

(24:55):
it's like, okay, this this this might be my quarterback.
Then I might be starting with him. I mean, if anything,
have you noticed anything, has anybody stood out there?

Speaker 3 (25:03):
You know, I feel like we got a great the
biggest thing that you know, I'm thinking thankful for just
having ah for a great quarterbacks.

Speaker 1 (25:11):
You know, that's go out there and compete every day.

Speaker 3 (25:13):
That's that, you know, Hey, come on with that, man. Yeah,
I'm telling you what it is.

Speaker 4 (25:21):
Man.

Speaker 3 (25:22):
You know, we got four great quarterbacks. Man, they all
been doing their thing for real. So you know, I'm
just you know, my job is to make him easy.
Whoever after him, you know, I'm just gonna get open
for him and you know, build my thing for real.
I don't got no control of that man, whoever the
coaches choosing, whoever they picked to be a quarterback. You know,
I'm just I'm just making sure to make their job
easier when they throw me the ball.

Speaker 2 (25:43):
You know, I want to know. I'm listening right now.
I got sneakers in there because I love this young boy.
I love him watching him play. He's he's easy, He's
a technician. What is it like going against God Damn
Denzel Ward. That's what I want to know that he
can pay. He can play some ball man off. It
don't matter what it is, made nasty with it.

Speaker 1 (26:05):
You know, there's a great DV.

Speaker 3 (26:07):
You know, he's one of the few guys that really
know how to like be so be patient without using
his hands, be in front of you without his hands.
So you know, that's that's one thing that really separated
himself from from his skill set. You know, a lot
of guys that don't use just don't use their hand
really kind of struggles. So he got sweet, you know,
great awareness when the balls in the air, you know,

(26:28):
and he'll scrapy dude for sure.

Speaker 4 (26:29):
You know he's a real ball player.

Speaker 2 (26:32):
Yeah, I like I like them.

Speaker 1 (26:34):
Look there. I mean obviously you mentioned that you dealt
with some injuries, you dealt with the quarterback play was
not up the part, and where you were in Denver,
you had a lot of different schemes and Steve Smith Junior,
who's a friend of the show, you and him had
some words back and forth. Have you guys have have
you guys been able to work out your differences behind
the scene? Honestly?

Speaker 3 (26:55):
Nah, you know, man, you know, I ain't. It is
what it is, man, I ain't really too stressed about
that is old news, you know. You know he's things
in the past, Man, I said some things in the past,
you know, But my goals always approved. I know who
I am at the end of the day, you know,
and I you know, I proved it last year too,
So I ain't really I ain't really focused on none

(27:15):
of that.

Speaker 1 (27:15):
Man, that's old news to me. Real. Yeah. When I
watch you at when I watch you at Alabama, obviously
there are a bunch of talented guys. You win the
Bolitanakop Award in your sophomore season, you win the National Championship.
I mean, I think you caught the game, what the
game went in touchdown where the game. I think you
got the lead against the SEC championship a gift Georgia.

(27:38):
I think winning that with Jalen Hurts came in and
threw you the ball and you made the day. Yeah,
yeah that was what was that?

Speaker 3 (27:45):
That was yeah twenty eighteen, I think, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:50):
And so I'm looking at I'm looking at you at
j and I'm like, man, technically sound can run and something.
But for me sometimes I'm like, damn, dude, you try
to do too ahead. Man, just shake the man and
going about your busies. You ain't got to shake it
three times. I mean, you already made him look bad.
You ain't just go ahead, this just the one time,
Just just poop on it one time and go on
about your business. Do you do you do you have?

(28:12):
I mean, there's a clock that gotta go off. Whether
you're running it out, you're running the inn, you're running
a comeback, you're running the hook, It don't matter. There's
a clock. How you when you go out there. And
let's say denzil War you had great competition in college
because you had pascertained. You had to deal with him
in college, and I'll be damn if he ain't come
join you in different So you got an opportunity to

(28:32):
work with one of the best cornerbacks in the NFL.
So you when you're going out there and somebody lines
up across from you and you have a certain route,
tell me what's going to tell Tell our listeners, uh,
and our viewers what's going through your first?

Speaker 3 (28:44):
You know, I just gotta you know, you gotta know
to play. Know where I'm at on the field, you know. First,
Then I once I line up, you know, I look
at the safety, see see where the covers at, you know,
look at the safety. Then I look at the leverage
of the dB in front of me. Depending on my route.
Then I just think about the technique of how I'm
gonna run this route, depending on if it's a slant
and the outside leverages, I'm gonna am I gonna spray

(29:06):
him to attack his leverage and make him think I
want to go outside and get underneath, or if he's
outside inside of me, if I'm gonna or I'm gonna
just quit jib and take it in. You know, you know,
just a lot of different things that just go through
my mind. You know, if that don't if those don't work,
you know, it's reaction after that.

Speaker 2 (29:23):
M Hey, how much freedoms you now that you've had
a great season last year? Most of the time you
have officer coordinators. They call plays or they have places
to call. They want their schemes run exactly how they
how they're drawing up on paper. How much freedom are
you allowed.

Speaker 1 (29:37):
To do.

Speaker 2 (29:39):
Things your way? Just a little bit, Like obviously, when
you have a certain route, you're supposed to be plus two,
do they let you achieve the split a little bit?
Just to throw the DV off so he doesn't know
what's coming. Because most of the time it's all about
reading and understanding based on what you see in watching
film and most of the time everybody just lines up
in the same spot. The only thing that throws things

(29:59):
on off is the formations are different. Do they give
you a little freedom of change your splits and play
with things a little bit now that you know the offense?

Speaker 3 (30:06):
Yeah, I think that's one of the reasons I had
success in in Cleveland, just they let me out there
and let me be free. They know that I understand
the game pretty well. They know how I know how
to beat leverages. I know what they want in the offense,
know where they want me to get to, and I
feel like that would that would cause me to have success,
you know. So Coach Stefanski and the coaching staff did
a great job and just allow me to play my game,

(30:28):
you know, and just be able to win on every
route they want me to run. They know I know
how to run every route in the rock treet, you know,
they know I could get open, so they allow me
to do that.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
That's lie, That's dope, that's dope.

Speaker 1 (30:42):
There used to be one time, Jude that Alabama was
the unquestioned wide receiver. You now you got LSU said,
they lay claimed to that you got Ohio State lay
claim to that, So who has the real why receive?

Speaker 3 (30:57):
You know, I'm always stay bused and stay two of
my teammates Imabama twenty four seven. I ain't gonna never
change up. You know, It's always gonna be Alabama. But now,
Freido l S. You've been putting out some guys a house.
They got some great guys in the league, you know,
and guys coming up, you know, like the god Jamiah Smith.
You know, it's it's a lot of great talent out
there for show. But you know, Alabama wna always be

(31:19):
on top.

Speaker 1 (31:21):
All right, what you got gonna say?

Speaker 2 (31:24):
I mean it it went, It went Alabama, and Alabama
had a string on back to back on. They had
a cause.

Speaker 1 (31:31):
You know, they came with Julio and they came with
they came to Cabal Ridley, and then they got you
and they got Rugs and they got Waddle and they
got Davonte Smith. So they had a run and then
Lsu they came back. He come, He come Jeda, and
he come Chase and come Elik Neighbors and he come
Brian Thomas Jr. And Ohio State said, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa?

(31:52):
What about Barren Harrison what about Jackson Jig, what about
Gary Wilson? What about the guy in New Orleans? I
forget his name? What's his name?

Speaker 2 (32:00):
Christal Lobby?

Speaker 1 (32:02):
Christal Lobby? They whoa, whoa, whoa, we got a we ain.
We gotta raise.

Speaker 2 (32:09):
Is Ohio State might take that torch back once Jeremiah
Smith come out in two years.

Speaker 1 (32:17):
Now, he got one more year. He got this one
the next year. Years yeah, yeah, this one the next year. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (32:23):
Okay, I mean cold real Florida.

Speaker 1 (32:27):
Boy, that was cold. Yeah, you ask you that? Why Alabama?
I mean you got Miami, you got Florida. Yeah, I
mean they're there. I mean you got U Florida State,
I mean l s U, I mean Ohio State.

Speaker 3 (32:41):
What made you decide to choose Alabama? One reason was,
you know, I truly didn't want to stay home. You know,
I've been home like that, home is home. I just
wanted to experience something, something different, you know, Alabama. I
never expected Alabama. You know, Alabama was just a team
that just like it was just in my heart. Alabama

(33:01):
was the right spot for me.

Speaker 1 (33:02):
You know. And I grew up watching Amora Cooper, you know,
I play with I forgot about Coop Yeah, Coop.

Speaker 3 (33:07):
Girl watching tomorrow Cooper, you know, and I play with
Calm Ridley and I see all the hardworking, great things
they did up there at Alabama, you know, and I
felt like I could do the same thing once I
get up there. So, you know, thank god I chose
Alabama for real.

Speaker 1 (33:24):
Yeah, do you guys get an opportunity to go back
because you see, like in basketball, you see the Duke players,
they go back and they work. They go back to
Duke and they work. Do Alabama do the receiver? Did
y'all get a chance to go back down to Alabama
and and help Because I was talking to Ozzie knew
someone who was a great wide receiver turned into a
great tight end, went to the Hall of Fame and
now he's the Hall of Fame exec. He said, their job,
He said, what we tell the guys is each one

(33:45):
teach one. So if you leave, you come back and
you got to tell them, Hey, this is what we expect,
this is how we do things. This is how we
continue the great play at exposition. If you guys do
something like that in Alabama.

Speaker 3 (33:58):
I haven't been back to Alabama since like our rookie year,
you know, and you know it's different now the love
the whole coach just have thing. Coaching stuff'ne changed, you know,
so it's different, different coaches. I do need to go
back out there, you know, and just you know, say
some things. But you know, I never had a chance
to really go back out there.

Speaker 2 (34:19):
I like you.

Speaker 1 (34:22):
You much.

Speaker 2 (34:25):
How many how long y'all got before y'all go to camp?
You got about another week or two weeks?

Speaker 3 (34:29):
Yeah, we were back on the twenty second. Man, We're
right back to it. Man, I'm ready for the grind.

Speaker 2 (34:33):
Oh you got it. You got a few days? Okay, okay, okay, okay.

Speaker 1 (34:36):
Yeah, right back in. Yeah, it won't be it won't
be long. It won't be long. Jude, thanks man, thank
you for joining us man continued success. Glad you're healthy. Man. Hey,
I'm glad you got somewhere because, like I said, I
was very high on you when you came out. I
thought you were phenomenal. The way you could beat man coverage,
the way you set routes up, You run a route

(34:58):
with anticipation, like I still got something in my back
pocket in case I needed a later day and time.
And uh, but I'm glad. I wish you wish we
could have had stability at the quarterback position, which we
could have had stability at the head coaching position. And
you're doing what you're doing in Cleveland. You could have
done that for the Broncos. But hey, I'm happy to
see you doing well. I'm happy to see see you

(35:18):
achieve what I always knew you had it.

Speaker 3 (35:21):
Thank you for you have a good season at Denzel
Ward Man, he don't want no smoke with me either.

Speaker 2 (35:26):
Man, even that's whatever, you.

Speaker 1 (35:30):
Still got it.

Speaker 3 (35:31):
I've seen that you still got a little son.

Speaker 2 (35:37):
Huh.

Speaker 1 (35:38):
You know I was a DV back in my days now,
So don't don't don't let me get.

Speaker 2 (35:41):
Don't do it to yourself. Well, let me next year,
next year, put your put your shoes on. Then I'll
be back out there next year.

Speaker 1 (35:49):
I'm gonna see you all bet all right, congratulations man,
continue success and uh after that season you come back
and you lead the league in reception of receiving yards,
come back in Hollers on night. Can sure we'll do
all right. Appreciate it. Bro. Jerry Judy made his very
first Pro Bowl last year. Guys, he was six and

(36:10):
receiving yards had his breakout season guys, he said, the
thing that contributed that he got consistent quarterback play and
he was able to do some big things because I
thought he was phenomenal coming out of the University of Alabama.
And so it's always great to see guys be able
to transition, to take what they've been able to do
in college and then transition and carry that over into
the NFL. O Joe. So it was glad to see

(36:31):
him start to live up to the potential and the
ability that we knew he possessed. And now he's getting
an opportunity to shine.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
And can we know the good thing about it too,
you already know even as a player, is that even
as a player, when things aren't going well somewhere else,
just in general. Obviously you were in Denver for a
very long time but had bad down but you start
questioning yourself when other aspects around you aren't going well.
And but once you find once you find that rhythm
in that confidence, and most of the time, a change

(36:58):
the scenery does it for you. A change the senioryduds
for you. All of a sudden you find that same
consistency and success that you had in college at the
next level. Once that confident kicks in. It's lights out.
It never goes backwards. It rarely goes backwards.

Speaker 1 (37:17):
Yeah, Competence is key when you when you play a sport.
When you play a sport, competence is everything because it's
a competition. I mean, it's me against you. Yep. I
gotta believe that I'm better than you. I gotta believe
I'm the baddest dude on this field. Even if you
not believe it, you better think it. You better believe it. Yep.

(37:39):
Unsigned Bengals draft pick Shamar Stewart is believed to keep
it to be keeping all of his options open O
shoe amidstar NFL contract negotiations, Texas A and M coach
Mike Elko indicated that those options do not include a
return to college station, but said he's been training with
the team. Shamar has been around. He's very comfortable in

(37:59):
our program, really likes what we do training wise, and
he's been training getting ready for the season this year
with the Bengals. We wish him the best. Stewart is
the only first round draft pick from the twenty twenty
twenty five draft class who has yet to sign.

Speaker 2 (38:14):
Hey, listen, this is at this point is confusing me,
and I'm going to need a little clarification from you
on what is exactly going on, because I thought I
understood at first, but now I'm not understanding now that
this drug out with camp for the rookies, if not mistaken,
starting in two days today's seventeen, correct, right, if I'm

(38:35):
not mistaken. The Bengals report you like July nineteen, and
the Veterans reporting of the twenty second. So I'm not
sure how it's been drawn out to this point, and
just give me, give me another pairaphrase on why he
hasn't signed the contract.

Speaker 1 (38:52):
What they want to do. The Bengals want to put
language in his contract. Okay, you get guaranteed, So basically
the contract is guaranteed. So they're trying to put up
a vision if he does something at any point, it
could nullify all the guaranteed money he's supposed to get.
So if I do something in twenty twenty five, it
could nullify the guaranteed money I'm supposed to get in
twenty six, twenty seven, twenty eight, And it said, no,

(39:14):
we're not gonna start that press.

Speaker 2 (39:15):
Okay, I see, I see what you're saying. So Okay,
so you're trying to protect all the money for the
four seering future.

Speaker 1 (39:21):
Now if I because if we allow you to do that,
then you know what comes, it's a copycat lead. Then
all the other team's gonna start putting that I put
that language in.

Speaker 2 (39:32):
The agent, what I would what I would love to do,
and if even as a player, I would also agree
to this. Well, if I mess up in twenty twenty five,
you're not taking nothing long term. Now if I mess
up long term.

Speaker 1 (39:45):
But if they put that language in this contract, that's
exactly what they would do. That's why you are signed.

Speaker 2 (39:49):
I'm saying. But I would go back to them and
have it a year by year thing, not me doing
it one time, and everything for going for the future
is taken as well.

Speaker 1 (39:58):
Well, it's already it's already in their contract detrimental to
the team, So we already know they can do that.
That's that's that's common practice. But they won't. They won't.
But see they trying to get off the hook. They
were like, nah, we're gonna you mess up, and we're
gonna take all we can potentially take all the game.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
As much as as much as we try to try
to walk by faith. You know, as much as we
try to do the right thing, at times, we do
make mistakes when we're young. At times, you know, we
we do find ourselves in trouble as much as we
want to stay Yeah, for sure, if we want to
stay out of it. You know, I'm sure nobody tried
the purposely get themselves in trouble. But you do have

(40:36):
to protect yourself, just like the Bengals are trying to
protect themselves as well. So, I mean, obviously it sucks
that is that it's at this point. It sucks that
it's that a stalemate. But I'm hoping, I'm hoping at
some point they find some type of resolution and resolve
this so they can get young Bully in camp so
we can help make a difference for us defensively.

Speaker 1 (40:56):
Well, we got someone joining us earlier tonight. O Yo.
We Gotjimmy Horn Jr. Who was the wide receiver out
of the University of Colorado. Had had a half speed.
We could see like when he get the ball in
his hands. Hey, good luck trying to get him on
the ground. Jimmy, thanks for joining us. Man, Yes, Jimmy
was why were you at.

Speaker 4 (41:17):
Carolina?

Speaker 2 (41:17):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (41:18):
Okay, Oh y'all getting ready to go to camp. What tomorrow? Nah?
We start back up Monday, mony start make mondey Okay. Look,
word on the street, there's like one of the most
impressive young guys in camp is Jimmy Horn junr. Why
have you? Why and how have you been able to
have such great success that you're a six round draft pick?

(41:40):
And you know, they got to have a first They
took a receiver McMillan. They took him in the first round.
They have Xavier Leggett.

Speaker 4 (41:47):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (41:47):
They got what's the guy uh oho from uh from Minnesota?
Adam Adam feeling. They got feeling. How have you been
able to make a name for yourself so so so quick? Jimmy, Man, it's.

Speaker 4 (42:02):
Really like a mentality, man, Like I just come out there,
like I know personally that don't really that so lot.

Speaker 1 (42:08):
I just go out there. I like that. Man.

Speaker 4 (42:11):
I just go out there with a confidence you feel
me in And I really just learned from the guys
that headed me, you know, just picking the game and
just coming out there being myself, you know, and then
every day I just come to practice hard. You feel
me like that just part of the game.

Speaker 1 (42:26):
I know, that because in the program that you was in, lad,
did you land for a couple of years? Coach Prime, he'
a worker. He believes in working hard, but he also
believes it's stilling confidence and his players and you round him,
it's hard not to be confident. And it seems to
me if listening to you talk, you're like, I'm him. Yeah,
I know they took me in the sixth round, but
y'all don't see why they should have took me higher. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (42:48):
The funny thing about it for those that are in
the chat that are watching, if you know football, if
you understand the game, especially to receive a position, you
already know Jimmy Hornk was not a sixth round type
of player. Now we talk about a round one, a
round two based on the skill setting, his ability to
run routs, create separation, and what he can do once
he got the ball in his hands. But listen, this
is a good thing. If they took you in the

(43:08):
sixth round, that man, you get to get to the
bag even faster. Though, You get to get to the
bag even faster, so you know, don't trip. I just
want to know is how has the transition been. What
is the difference between being at Colorado and now being
a Carolina Panther. I mean what has been uh, I
want to say, the most difficult thing to learn so far.

Speaker 4 (43:31):
Really has been that playboy. Man, it's been that playboff Sure,
it's like really like, yeah, the way Coach Prime ran
the program, he was already kind of similar to like
how they run it in the NFL. So it's kind
of similar in that way as the schemes and stuff
like being ran, but the players, the terminology is like
learning the whole other language that you already know.

Speaker 1 (43:51):
All that burbage.

Speaker 4 (43:52):
Yeah too much, and.

Speaker 1 (43:57):
You got to be on it because ain't ain't no
pick up because we put we install it. We installed
one day. Guess what. We got a hole set of
plays the next day, and we got a hole set
of players the next day, and we got a hole
set of places today. So if you fall behind dead
Fly exactly, you said something, but I heard you say

(44:18):
something earlier. You say like Coach Prime kind of ran
a lot of this how so, so help us understand
how his Coach Prime. Because Coach Prime come you know,
even though he came with a with a pro background.
You look at a lot of his coaches, they were
pro coaches, and so how has that helped transition? You
mentioned transition as fast as you've been able to do.

(44:39):
How coach prime coaching style, his system, his discipline, everything
about it because it's a pro style. Because he's gotten
getting guys that are good enough to get to the
next level, he's getting them prepared for that.

Speaker 4 (44:52):
I said, it's really like the biggest kid is really
like doing the little things right. You know what I'm saying.
That's from going to class, making she agree, is right?
You know what I'm saying, showing up the practice over time,
making sure your salts are certain, la, you know what
I'm saying. Like a little small things and once you
get them down pack it made transitioning easier.

Speaker 2 (45:12):
Okay, I get.

Speaker 1 (45:14):
They just did Carolina draft to McMillan, number one draft
pick out of the University of Arizona. What's it like,
Xavier Leggat. I mean we mentioned Adam Thieling. Now you
and and because of the buzz that you created for yourself,
you know they gonna they gonna want to see what
you They want to see what you got come a preseason,
so you're gonna probably get you gonna probably get a

(45:35):
lot of burn. Are you excited? They're like, man, I
mean it's kind of it's you like, I'm in the NFL.
But if you really get your NFL moment until you
going against other guys and you see them you got
your Carolina helmet on and they got their team's helmet on,
and you're like, man, I'm really in the NFL. Okay,
it's still football. Let me let me go show up
with a Yeah.

Speaker 4 (45:55):
See, I ain't get that afeelingate like right now, I'm
at the more like I ain't satisfied with like one
mat you feel me. So I just like, I'm real
excited to get out there, you know what I'm saying, Like,
especially missing missing the uh the last training camp, I'm
just ready to get back out there and just showing
what I could really do. You know what I'm saying.
I got so much potential left for my game. I

(46:17):
ain't at least all love yet. So that's what I'm
That's what I'm most excited to show.

Speaker 2 (46:21):
Yeah, I like it.

Speaker 1 (46:23):
So what's what's the difference between an NFL wide receiver
room and a collegiate.

Speaker 4 (46:33):
It's the debt for sure. They ain't taking all them
guys out there on that, but like you gotta you
gotta find a way out that you gotta find a way.

Speaker 2 (46:44):
Rtter of fact.

Speaker 1 (46:45):
But it seemed like it seemed like early on, Jimmy
you did the next little job because after like the
first day of camp, the most impressive rookie with Jimmy
Horn Jr. And And from that point on. I don't
know how much of the paper you read out of
know how much you watch again on social media, But
did you hear the buzz that you had created for yourself?

Speaker 2 (47:06):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (47:06):
I seen it many time. Scroller do TETs. I just
keep saying different plucks and stuff for me, But like
you know, I try not to try not let that
stuff get to me. You know what I'm saying. I
ain't playing no real game. Yeah, I feel like I
ain't doing nothing yet.

Speaker 2 (47:17):
But listen to this. The way you look in practice,
the way you practice, the way you practice, and what
people see in practice is gonna be the same exact
thing on games. They listen. I ain't trying toot you
on because you're here because I said the same thing
when I seen you that goddamn in Colorado. When you
can run route, when you already polish. The funny thing is,
this is why they was raving by them when they
got to Carolina is because he's already polished as a receiver.

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So he coming in and he coming from Colorado, so
they expected him to look a certain way. And then
with goddamn, why is he popping out looking different from
everybody else? I mean that that need to hear.

Speaker 1 (47:52):
No they are.

Speaker 2 (47:53):
But like you said, you ain't at least what you
want to yet. Obviously you missed the previous training camp
on Yeah, but you got the man. You're gonna be
straight man, You're gonna be streaked. I have seen it.
I know what it's supposed to look like, and you
just played that already. All you got to do now
with the light song, just do what you normally do.

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It ain't no different.

Speaker 1 (48:15):
Sure, well you have an outstate your quarterback with the
number one overall draft pick. Two years ago, this would
be his third year. You know, things didn't go as
well as he had hope, but he got his rhythm.
He got an opportunity to sit and watch. What's it
been like working with Bryce Young?

Speaker 4 (48:31):
And it's been a pleasure to work with Bryce. You know,
like picking Bryce's brain. Bryce smart, man, And like Bryce's
real smart, and like he know the game. He can
break it down to you. And Bryce he really accurate too.

Speaker 1 (48:43):
Man.

Speaker 4 (48:43):
He's nice, he real nice.

Speaker 1 (48:46):
Your former teammate, the world watched you win the sixth round,
but your teammates should do it. Your quarterback had a
phenomenal season, had phenomenal two seasons at the University of Colorado.
But you watched him slide because the first round and
then you see the second round, and do you see
the third round, and do you see the fourth round
in the fifth round. At any point in time when
he's going through that process, do you reach out? Did

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you send him a text like hey, bro, keep your
head up anything like that.

Speaker 4 (49:12):
Oh, not that I remember, But like when I was
watching it with more peoples and stuff, we just sitting
there watching it, like dang, dang, that's all he was saying, Dan,
that's all crazy. But it's all right. Do you know
everything you have for a reason, God got playing with
each person.

Speaker 1 (49:31):
Well. Today ESPN released their corner rankings, voted on by coaching,
scouts and executives. Number one rated cornerback with Pats or
Tan the second Number two Darryl Stingley Jr. Number three,
Denzel Ward number four, Trent McDuffie number five, Sauces Gardener
number six, Christian Gonzalez, see J. C. Horn, Jalen Johnson,

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quin Yon, Mitchell, Devon Witherspoon. Of those names, which one
you sided and say, hey, come on, get this work?

Speaker 2 (50:08):
Oh yeah, talk that ship?

Speaker 4 (50:12):
What real?

Speaker 1 (50:13):
All real? Because you are you one of them? In
your teammate Jac's on the list, he's number seven. So
you're gonna get some great work every day.

Speaker 4 (50:21):
Practice that gonna worry every day?

Speaker 1 (50:24):
Man?

Speaker 4 (50:25):
That what Connor worry every day?

Speaker 1 (50:27):
Hey?

Speaker 2 (50:27):
That that that'll be fun.

Speaker 1 (50:30):
I wish I had your schedule. Pull up a schedule
to see how many of these guys on the list
that you're gonna actually go again? Now those are the
ten best that just don't think just because you don't
see somebody name up there. Don't make the mistake that
I made. I made the mistake of you know, I
undemestimated someone right, And when I left the game, I
had three kedues from fourteen yards. I said, I never
made that mistake again. Oh Joe, I said, I never

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make that mistake again. So yay, you respect everyone you
underestimate no one and you will be just fine, right
because if you're in this league, everybody in this league
can make everybody else in this league look bad.

Speaker 2 (51:11):
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (51:15):
What what are you expecting? What are you hoping for
your rookie year? What's the what? What would Jimmy Horn Jr.
Equate to a successful rookie campaign.

Speaker 4 (51:24):
For my rookie year? I got it in a note
right here, off and the.

Speaker 1 (51:28):
Real my team, that's what I want to hear, come
on with it like so.

Speaker 4 (51:32):
Like for my own field goals, like when I catch
my first NFL pass, I want to stat from there
and get a minimum of two hundred and fifty yards.
You know what I'm saying for Just to start off
zero draws and then prefet the rock tree, okay, and
uh score my first NFL test now and make sure

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makes shaw I'm an adult with the rotation. And then
for the turn goals Locke Morol Laying as a part
return or kid return one take at least one return
to the crib and then on trying to be at
least top five foreverage for return average and no fund
was on the return. And then for like mentioning, I

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just want to be prepared for whatever come all week.

Speaker 1 (52:21):
I'm like that, already got some goals down. Uh, you
go get Christian Gunzales is on your schedule. Sauts Gardner
is on your schedule. Devin Witherspoon is on your schedule.
So a couple of the guys that's on that list,
you get an opportunity to see them.

Speaker 2 (52:39):
And you want to do them. You want to do
them a real solid you know, as a as a
I'm here before the week before you play each one, right,
Jimmy shipping boys a signed jersey. You to the stadium
and address it to them. Make sure you're saying that
bitch no more yeah, sign yes, sign it, and like

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ahead of the game, give them a little gear, right.

Speaker 1 (53:04):
Okay, yeah you got a nice little You got a
nice little thing. But I like that. I like you
are you already got your thing that I didn't. I
didn't write no lists down until I got it on a camp.
I like, hell, my number one thing would make the team.
Let's start with that. All the all these goals they
tell me, Hey man, I got my goal, sit down.
My goal is to make the team. I get an

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other stuff I'll write out of the other stuff. Down
a little later later they died.

Speaker 4 (53:28):
That's for shore number one on my list, made that
for sure.

Speaker 1 (53:33):
Uh well, Jimmy, thanks for joining us. Man, congratulations are
great o, stellar college career. Gett an opportunity to go
play in the NFL. Now your journey, hey, them in
going to the NFL. Your journey starts all over again.
So good luck, stay healthy and when you get an
opportunity to come back and talk to your favorite uncle
and oo a man, my last thing now, ma, let

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me go in and get up off therefore, I get it.
Cutting now what you want? What you want to say?

Speaker 4 (54:02):
Hey, I'm saying do We're all on him? Manh world.

Speaker 1 (54:08):
We got how many people we got the chat?

Speaker 2 (54:10):
About nine thousand?

Speaker 1 (54:12):
Yeah, we got about nine ten thousand of the chat.

Speaker 4 (54:16):
Hey, what y'all think is the perfect time to get
you a lady in the league?

Speaker 2 (54:19):
No, no, no, no no no.

Speaker 1 (54:22):
Let me ask you a question. Did you have her
before you got to the league? A couple of the
couple of the deck. Cuse you gotta left it. You
gotta let what go.

Speaker 4 (54:32):
Shoot one on the processing elimination.

Speaker 1 (54:35):
Hey no, don't don't even do it.

Speaker 2 (54:37):
Don't even do it. Jimmy, Jimmy, Jimmy, Jimmy, don't don't,
don't do it.

Speaker 1 (54:40):
Don't do it. Hey, you know what, We're gonna get
your talk off. He don't do it. We do you
off playing.

Speaker 2 (54:50):
I know, don't do it.

Speaker 4 (54:56):
Literally, I just I just threw that out as a message.

Speaker 2 (54:59):
Listen, it's all to it. You know. Every time I
feel I know you're going with it, but walk in,
don't don't do it. Had your fun nothing serious. This
comes first, your girl. Your lady is a panther and
everything that comes with it, fights and everything that come
with it.

Speaker 4 (55:18):
That's it.

Speaker 1 (55:22):
So Jimmy, congratulations man, getting drafted, going to the Carolina Panthers.
Best of luck this season, Stay healthy and come back
and talk to it soon. Bro.

Speaker 2 (55:32):
All right, for sure, appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (55:35):
Jimmy, Yes, Sir, Jimmy Horn Jr. Carolina Panther former. See you,
Buffalo oh Cho Chargers Mike Williams retires after eight seasons.
Williams the number seven overall draft pick in twenty seventeen
by the Chargers. In eight seasons, he had three hundred
and thirty receptions fifty one hundred yards thirty two touchdowns,

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definitely showcase the tone of the town. But the injuries
just seemed to he could he seemed like he couldn't
stay healthy for an extended period of time. Oh Joe,
you look, I started as receiver, you finished your career,
moved the tight end. When did you know it was
time to When did you know it was time to
hang out? Well?

Speaker 2 (56:20):
Yeah, well I ain't really I ain't ship well, I
ain't really had no choice but to hang it up,
you know. He You know, they.

Speaker 1 (56:28):
All things being equal, you would have you would have
loved to try to continue.

Speaker 2 (56:31):
I did, obviously. I went to Canada. I went to Canada,
and I wanted to finish my way. Uh. I enjoyed
my time in Canada. It was it was eye opening
because I expected one thing or people said one thing
about the Canadian Football League and that I actually got there.
And I was like, Okay, y'all lied to me. The
people down here in the States, y'all lied to me.
Because every week playing in Canada, whether it was Ottawa,

(56:51):
whether it was Canada, where it was, uh, Calgary, every
every week, every week I don't playing the NFL for
eleven years, and every week while I'm up there in Canada,
I'm seeing dudes that belong in the NFL. Now, y'all
told me. I thought it was, you know, supposed to
be easy. And I'm just gonna go out there and just.

Speaker 1 (57:12):
Man, she dominated. Man.

Speaker 2 (57:15):
Please for them young bulls out there in the Canadian League.
The only reason they're not down here in the NFL
is because of the numbers, because of politics, because of
certain situations that might have happened in college, not getting
the right opportunity, not getting the call. There's really there's
really no difference on and I'm saying this is very respectfully,

(57:35):
but uh, you know, my time was different. Obviously, when
when it was when it's time to hang it up,
I had to go obviously go to canadon and and
and finish one year and lead the game so I
could be at peace with myself.

Speaker 1 (57:50):
I think the thing is, though, show, is that you
didn't really have like injuries. The injuries didn't wear you down.
You didn't have me a c L shoulder.

Speaker 2 (58:00):
I can't straighten it out.

Speaker 1 (58:01):
Look, yeah, but you don't run on your hands. You
ain't a monkey. But anyway, so you you, I mean,
you were good. But I think the thing might we
seemed like, I mean, you talk about. I mean, big
physical receiver, can run, could catch as a night.

Speaker 2 (58:16):
Eight twenty, his jump balls eighty twenty every time with
his first with the charges. Man, just put it up.

Speaker 1 (58:25):
It's just healthy. It just is helped. And you know
it's hat man. Being injured, being hurt, It wears on
you emotionally, forget the physical aspect of it. It starts
to mess with you here because you start to question yourself. Man,
am I ever gonna be healthy? Is this? Is this

(58:47):
the fate? That is this what I'm gonna be resigned to?
Like damn, I know I'm better than this. And as
soon as you like, you put again a game or
two or three, putt a little stress together.

Speaker 2 (59:04):
Hey, I wonder now that you said that, and the
fact that I never had to face any type of adversity.
I faced adversity in life, humh, you know, but never
to the never to the point where it was bodily harmed,
where something failed me. I had to work my way
back into into playing shape. And I just I've never
been challenged that way. So I wonder if I would

(59:25):
have been able to do it. That's a that's a
great question. Would I've been able to do it? Because
could you imagine if I told my achillis you know,
thank thank God? Or if I told my a cl
and had to build myself back mentally, what I've been
able to get back to a certain level of confidence
or comfortability, being able to run and stop and transition

(59:47):
and still having that same confidence idead and my approach
to the game. I think it takes that. I think
it took away everything my entertainment, the entertainment I bought
the value that the trash talking because I I wouldn't
have been the same. I would have just been a
shelling myself. I got lucky.

Speaker 1 (01:00:04):
I got lucky. I don't even know. I think they
lost one of their receivers. Didn't he end up going
to Palmer? Didn't he end up going to Buffalo? Uh?

Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
Of the receive Palmer the big dude? And he made
some plays. He was making some plays. Yeah, I think
Palmer one number nine?

Speaker 1 (01:00:25):
Yeah seven? What? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
I think he was a big dude. Mimi and kwam
bolding a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:00:34):
Mm hmm uh hold on, let me see here, is
it kJ Palmer or no? And oh Jo and he
only thirty thirty years old?

Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
Damn, that's it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:50):
That's it. He'll be thirty one.

Speaker 2 (01:00:53):
And I told you this, a C must a CM
must still be bothering maybe maybe mentally he he he
checked out mentally, Yeah, I mean because he was in
New York. He wasn't that. I remember he had a
little little issue, a little issue with Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 1 (01:01:11):
But yeah, and then you know, they ended up trading.
I think he ended up getting traded to Pittsburgh, or
at least I think he finished his career in Pittsburgh.
In Pittsburgh, I mean his clearly his best days came
with Chargers. The Chargers and justin.

Speaker 2 (01:01:25):
Him and Keenan Allen, boy, they was there was some
months thursdaygether boy.

Speaker 1 (01:01:29):
They were big receiver six four two twenty dang it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
With Josh Palmer. Josh Palmer with Josh Palmer right now
where you say what you say? Went was making some
good plays. Boy, he was nice.

Speaker 1 (01:01:48):
Hold on, uh he's number number five? Yeah right, Oh
he's still with it. No. Yeah, So they got a
nice little squad.

Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
They got Kean Coleman Shakiir how you say it's like Shakira?

Speaker 1 (01:02:09):
Yeah, mm hmm. They got him, and you know, they
got the two tight ends, Knox and k k damn.
We don't know. If we don't know, if Cook, you
know his situation with the contract, he wants a contract.

Speaker 2 (01:02:23):
I don't know if they plan, they plan. I hate,
I hate how they treat the running back position. And
and Cook is one of those who's in that tier
one conversation where they shouldn't be any fuss or back
and forth when it's time to pay him, because he's
a very very very vital, vital piece that the goddamn offense.

(01:02:46):
But I guarantee you I know how they view it.
We view it when we have Josh Allen and you're replaceable. Okay,
you're expendable. That's exactly That's exactly how they're viewing it.
Because the quarterback is so god damn good. They feel, Okay,
if we miss this piece, even as important as it is,

(01:03:06):
we can make up for it with our quarterback play.

Speaker 1 (01:03:10):
Oh look, didn't Mike Williams go back to Uh didn't
he go back to the Chargers? Yeah? Wow? Like I said, oh,
your you know, sometimes you know, your body break down

(01:03:33):
on you, and uh, you don't want to do it
because we had a tearing arms he.

Speaker 2 (01:03:38):
Said, his knees bone on bone couldn't do it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:41):
Yeah, he said, you know, I don't want to do that.
I believe that he said.

Speaker 2 (01:03:45):
When he told us they couldn't even practice, he couldn't
even walk, so they let him mispractice. But when on
game day, obviously he did whatever he need to do
just to be able to play on game day.

Speaker 1 (01:03:57):
That's crazy. Take pain to take them pain pill toward
all shots injections, Oh Joe. NFL players to retire this
offseason Derek Carr, Julio Jones, Patrick Peterson, Zach Martin, Frank Ragnow,
Tyron Smith, Taron Armstead, Ryan Ramcheck, Jason Peters, Mike Williams,
c J. Mosley and Donakin, Sue Brandon Graham, Sam Hubbard,

(01:04:17):
David Andrews, michaelh. Hyde, Mason Crosby, Mitch Morris, Michael Pierce,
Kean o' reed, Neil Johnkey, Jordan Travis and Chris Connolly,
Damn Well, Julio h o f Pat Peterson, Martin Thank,
Tyron Smith, Jason Peters is gonna get some consideration because

(01:04:39):
he've been there long long time, played at a very
very high level. There are about three or four Hall
of Famers on this lest O Joe you know, Pat
p and Julio were in the same draft. I think
pat P was five, Julio was six. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:05:03):
But one thing about you know, we talked about whide
receiver you who is DBU? Is DBU? Ohio State, LSU
is the Alabama Yeah, I mean the conversation when it
comes to receivers, they're much There are many more receivers
than it is. DB's coming out of the school. But

(01:05:25):
somebody has to be DBU.

Speaker 1 (01:05:28):
You think you got to be one of them? Who
you got and I don't know, I don't know. I
mean because aj Green, aj Green? What what people was
Aj Green for that Georgia though, huh Yeah, But I'm
saying because you know he and Julio was in that
twenty eleven draft with Cam and von Miller. All them

(01:05:50):
was in that draft, Cam Hayward, all those guys, Richard Sherman,
Pat P, Julio, Jones, JJ Watt, Cam Hey with Cam
Jordan's Yeah, all they was Rob I think Robert Quinn
was in that with Robert Queen. I think Robert Quinn
was in that draft. Justin Houston's number.

Speaker 2 (01:06:13):
Oh, I remember just Houston was balling with the Chiefs
by he who is who is the number one pick
that here? You remember Cam?

Speaker 1 (01:06:24):
Cam was one? Bomb was too? Who was to oh?
Von Miller? Von Miller? Hey Cam? Do you have Marcel Darius?
And then I think I think A j Green went
four and then Pat p and then Julioya.

Speaker 2 (01:06:41):
Man Camp should still be playing? How come all the
other quarterback and get to play bump teen years?

Speaker 1 (01:06:48):
Cam style? Man that style introducing for you, Playing that
style of his style of player is not conducing for
playing long. You can play great for the period of time. So,
but running the football shortened your life. Your football So.

Speaker 2 (01:07:07):
Like like Lamar, Lamar's style of play, even though he's
smart with it, knowing when to get down, he's as
a smaller frame.

Speaker 1 (01:07:14):
He ain't taking the collisions like like uh Cam did
Yeah he's smart now, yeah he understands.

Speaker 2 (01:07:20):
Yeah, well hold on, wait a minute, now where whoa
whoa whoa Wait a minute. So if that's the case,
then Josh Allen ain't gonna play that long.

Speaker 1 (01:07:31):
He ain't taking he ain't taking shots like Cam. Go
back and look at that. Go back and look at
Cam in the Super Bowl. Go back and look at
Cam that next year. Cam was getting head on collisions. Really,
go back and look at the shot that Cam took
when he's playing New Orleans. Go back and look at
it when he was, you know, show voting in the
end Zon and the guy put his helmet right. I
think it might have been the Falcons and he put

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his helmet right up on his chin.

Speaker 2 (01:07:53):
They were trying to kill him out there.

Speaker 1 (01:07:56):
Yeah, and rightfully so, because you're no longer, don't. I
don't look at you as a quarterback.

Speaker 2 (01:08:01):
I look at a runner, your running back pocket. Okay,
you're right, you're right, you're right.

Speaker 1 (01:08:05):
Yeah. And the way I look at it, if your
coach don't care that much about you by calling players,
why should I. It's his job to protect you, not mine. Yeah.
So I'm the hardest god to let me. Legally he
was that boy though.

Speaker 2 (01:08:20):
I was just thinking. I was just thinking about you
said twenty eleven, and I'm thinking, well, god, damn, look
at all the quarterbacks, even if you're not a starter anymore,
they still keep it around. So you can you can,
you can, you can squeeze, you can you Yeah, out
another not another eight seven? Easy as a backup? Easy?

Speaker 1 (01:08:39):
Yeah? But normally I mean, how many how many m
vps you see hanging around like that.

Speaker 2 (01:08:44):
Though Joe Flacco is still playing. I play, I played,
I know, I ain't played football in twenty years.

Speaker 1 (01:08:57):
They don't normally let great quarterbacks hang around like that.
Is that don't They don't let great players hang around
like that guy that special teams guys, those are the
guys that get ten fifteen years. You're a great player,
because you got to realize, oh yo, they only see
you as a great player. See if you've never been great,
it's cool. I ain't got no expectation from you. Oh see,
they gonna expect Cam to be that same Cam to

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twenty fifteen to win the MVAA.

Speaker 2 (01:09:19):
I see, Oh that's a good one. Hey, hey, I
like you put things into perspective like I like that.

Speaker 1 (01:09:27):
I mean, think about it. Look at them guys like man,
Hey that Joe had a nice little career. They got
here like thirteen.

Speaker 2 (01:09:33):
Put that that was smooth. I like that because I'm.

Speaker 1 (01:09:37):
Thinking with not a whole lot of expectations.

Speaker 2 (01:09:41):
I'm thinking about the backup quarterbacks. They just talked about
one that I think he just recently retired. Man made
by made by the maybe by sixty million, ain't really
was really never a starter. I can't I can't remember
his name, but I'm like.

Speaker 1 (01:09:54):
Ain't nobody will guess what? Nobody gonna call for him?
The quarterback struggle. Ain't nobody calling for him? We want?
We won't? They don't want that, and I do. I
believe Cam could have could have been a backup. Yeah yeah,
but I think the fans if Cam goes somewhere and

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somebody struggle.

Speaker 2 (01:10:17):
Everybody they want. Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. Damn, I
forgot what quarterback that was made by sixty men. I
think he just retired. They were just talking about it too,