Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to the top 10 NFL trash talkers of all time, Ocho responds to Cris Carter and his comments about his career and Big Ben says he’s taking Aaron Rodgers over Patrick Mahomes and much more!
08:00 Wideout Camp
19:10 Top 10 Trash Talkers in NFL History
27:20 Cam calls Unc and Ocho out on trash talking
34:55 Chris Carter had some words for Ocho
42:45 Big Ben on having Rodgers or Mahomes on his team
58:30 Mahomes not a fan of extending NFL season
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Yeah, we are back.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Thank you, Maady and gentlemen for being so patient with
us while Ojo and I had some needed, much needed
time off as we get ready to head back into
the NFL season and jump back on this ground again.
Y'all know who I am. I'm your favorite UNC Shannon Sharp,
my partner and co hosts. He did a lot more
on his vacation that I did, in mind, but we
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both arrived back at the exact same time. That is,
you know, the Rock Runner Extraordinary, the Bengals Ring of
fan Matter read the Pro Bowl of the All Pro.
That's Liberty Cities on. That's Chad Ocho Cicco Johnson. Oh Joe,
what do you do? But what's up?
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Baby?
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Hey listen, Hey, I'm feeling good and again about about
ten fifteen pounds.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
I had a great, a great vacation.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Yeah yeah, see I saw, I saw oh yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Had had me a good old time. I'm sure I'm
sure you did as well.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Yeah, you know me. I went home, saw the kids,
saw the grandkids, and I was back here.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
You know, just.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
I ain't much of a getaway type of person. Man,
I'm not. I'm not, But you know, we'll get into
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we are back now. You know, there might be some
people that not not be happy that we back, but
we back and better than ever, and we can't wait.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
We ain't gonna be wait for a football season to start.
Absolutely not, absolutely not. You know we do.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
We we gotta get back into our grind on yo
be cause you know, come, football season is five nights
a week, so we get very limited time off. So
it's like Sunday, it's Saturday, Sunday, Monday.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Go ahead, Oh yoe, Oho, you said five nights a
week wait in football season?
Speaker 4 (02:46):
Ay, and not but Monday, Thursday and Monday, Thursday and Saturday,
I mean Sunday.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Man. You know we got college football on Saturday.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Nights, okay, okay.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
And then and then when you.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Have that bridge from Monday, Wednesday, Thursday Saturday.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
Sunday, okay, okay, that's that's four days.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Uh No, Saturday, Sunday, Monday Wednesday, Thursday.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Okay, okay.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Oh, I'm glad you got very good accounts to keep
you keep your money straight for you, cause you'll be
end up giving up. You've giving up one hundreds for fifties.
But in case, that's what I feel up for, to
keep it, to keep you on, to keep you on point. Oh,
let's jump right into it, or we get into some topics.
Tell us about your why that camp, because there's like
the uh D Lineman got a camp.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Tight ends have what they call tight end you.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Yes, I think you started what you called why receive
wide Receiver work workshops.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Why it's our workout camp last week?
Speaker 2 (03:39):
The clip of you being emotional and grateful to the
guys that showed up in that case. In that case
Chat hasn't seen it yet. We're gonna play this clip
for you. Take a look at it.
Speaker 5 (03:47):
Y'all know how much I love the game. You know
how much I love y'all. Right throughout the years, You've
tweeted back every last one of y'all, so you already
know how I feel about you. And they brought the
idea to me. I told the court, I thought this
y'all boys today, and I was scared that I was
scared to to.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Make that call because let it out on me.
Speaker 5 (04:09):
That's what it's not let it out, deserve it, bro, that's.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Hey, it's a lot of pride. Are you going to
receive a position?
Speaker 5 (04:23):
Honestly, I thought come together. I thought some of the
big boys and just any of y'all. Y'all busy. I'm busy.
You know how you know how to be? So for
you to show up I mean the world to me.
Like I don't cry normally, and I really ain't really
shame to do it in front of y'all. I swear
(04:44):
to God, I appreciate you, swear to God, and I
look forward to we do tomorrow. We're gonna keep talking
talk about the game of football. I don't want to
bring you to death, but gon wanna get in the
what you need to work on and improve. You know,
you can get back to work and feel good about
something that you got in your stole from somebody of
somebody else. Game you know, out than that, Mitchell, all
(05:06):
get out of this ray Man like like, I seriously
swoot you all night.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
That that was dope. That was a good feeling, a
good feeling. A lot of people are probably watching the
with with with not great understanding about the love I
have for the game, not just the game in general,
but the craft when it comes to that artwork, when
it comes to playing a position to receiver, and how much.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
I embedded and love that artistry.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
And for those fellas to show up on for the
for the for the big boys to actually show up.
For me, it meant a lot. It meant a lot
for one for one, for me to be so far
removed from the game and to want to help those
that are still playing, you know, in finding tweaks and
things that they can improve on and add to their game.
There's nothing that we have as a collective group as
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receivers when all get get together under one umbrella and
talk about the game of foot ball, talk about route
running and and and anything that comes along with that,
ways to to to manipulate defenses, ways to give illusions
that should run a full speed. Then when you really,
I mean when you when you're really not just a
little tricks in the trade of the craft in itself.
(06:16):
And and the boys showed up. They showed up because
I look at them as a fan. I don't look
at them as ocho that's already played. I look at
them in awe like I'm looking up to them. And
they tried to get me to see fool you tripping.
We look up to you because we still studying your
stuff from way back then. But I don't view myself
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like that or in that light, which is why the
emotion and the tears came from. Like I can't believe it.
They actually showed They actually showed up. T Higgins, Jamar Chase,
call his son Jeremdy. We talk about people that are
already established in the league, that have got their big payday's.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
They ain't got they they don't have to come out here.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
They don't have to, but it's a testament for get
them coming for me, a testament where they are with
their game and wanting to improve and get better at
their craft and what they.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Do well, you want to get better.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
I mean if they have I guarantee you, if they
have a convention, uh and they invite the top one
hundred tech guys, I guarantee you they gonna show up
because Iron shoppings Iron. You know, we gotta get out
of this illusion where I don't want to give away
no secrets. I don't want to give away no secrets,
and I'm trying to do this. I keep this till
myself what good is all this knowledge? If you hoard it,
somebody had to you. I don't care what any receiver
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tell you. He did not learn or forget the position.
He did not learn everything on his own. He got
it from somewhere. So and instead of you sharing it,
you want to hoard it. Now, what if somebody would
have done that to you? What if somebody would have
hearded that information and teach you how to be in
and how to dep oh, or somebody teach you how
(07:52):
to snatch pool. So now you get the information. But see,
that's how we all see a lot of times.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Don't show. We'll get up now. We'll use the ladder
to get up it.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Once we get up, we'll pull the ladder up to
make sure nobody else get.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Up there with us.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Yes, sir, yes, sir, yes.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
How many times have we seen that? We see it
a lot.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
I ain't gonna get political with you, but we see
a lot of that. A lot of people came through immigration.
Now they got over here. Kick that ladder down. Now
you ain't getting up here. I'm here now, so with
damn you. And a lot of times athletes have that
same mentality. Somebody in partake and maybe it wasn't publicly.
(08:31):
Maybe it was a private setting. Now, someone in part part,
in part gave you wisdom and knowledge and understanding.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
You want to pretend like you got that all on
your own.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
What I like, most don't because a lot of times
these guys forget that there was somebody before them, and
it seemed like if it didn't happen in the Internet age,
it didn't happen. Oh man, I don't know about that guy.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
What that guy got a hundred and something touch one
hundred and some touchdown. That guy have.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Fifteen twitchs sixteen seventeen thousand yards. Oh you thought that
you started playing wide receiver like thirty years ago. I like,
sometimes sometimes not all. There's no such thing as all
of every Guys forget not taking women out of this.
You can talk about the WNBA, We'll talk about that
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later day and time. I'm just talking about men in
professional sports. It's almost like we want to pooh poop.
The one thing that I've never done is I've never
forgot the guys that laid the foundation, from the Mackies
to the Dickers, to the Ossies, to the winsloads of
seconds to the Jackie Smith. Guys like that Raymond Chesters.
I know the history of that position. I know the
history of the tight end position and of the NFL,
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So therefore I'm greatly, greatly appreciative. But that was great.
That was really great to see. I'm glad you got
an opportunity of that. Hopefully, hopefully you can get sponsors
like we see it tight end you and it gets
bigger and bigger and better and better their year after year.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
So that's that. Kudos to you.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Yeah, most definitely we had taking.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Time out of your busy schedule, Yeah and say, you
know what, guys, I want to bring you guys together
and impartake some of the wisdom that I've been given over.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
The course of the years.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
And maybe maybe only one to two people got something
out of what you said or what someone else said,
but that was success, Yeah, because that was information they
wouldn't have gotten had they not been there.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
Yeah. It was dope. And my favorite part of the
two days that we had together was sitting there talking
obviously to Jerry, talking all Alive, some more kJ Osborne
or all the boys. But the great the greatest conversation
that I really enjoyed was me, you know, obviously Jamar
(10:44):
Jamar Chase, Jerry, Judy and court and Courtland Sudden and
we had a thirty minute discussion I'm talking about I'm
about a good thirty on ways to beat Pat Certain Jr.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Hey, he's so, he's so I swear for God.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
The first thing they all say, Judy, he's so long,
he's so patient. Chase say anything short, You're not You're not.
You're not gonna be able to run it. And the
conversation about Pat is the testament to him to how
great he is and how good he is.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
And of course I said what I could. We went
back and forth.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
It was a great dialogue on that, and then they
talked about the other dbs that are very very difficult,
not as long, but technically sound and savvy. They talked
about Denzel Award on how difficult, Chase talking about how.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Difficult it is to great Award.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
Yeah, when you play him, you got to be on
your p's and q's. They talked about Stinger. When you
play Stingley, you got to be on your p's and q's.
Obviously the other great there are other great deepensive backs
in the NFL. But the way those dudes praise past
certain Steley and Denzel Award Man.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
It was.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
It was wonderful, wonderful thing to.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Help Pat who is his dead. So his dad was
a pro bowler, Yes, sir, so he had great So
the first thing I noticed about passertained when he got
to Alabama. I say this for a freshman, this duty
is technically sound, like he should be in the league already.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
You look at him and there's no wasted motion.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
There's there ain't nothing, there ain't no you know, he
tried a boom if you release inside boom stabbing bami.
I was like, damn he technically sound. Damn ain't no
wasted motion. I mean he getting he baum and whenever,
whenever backfoot.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
Playing, he driving, yeah, every time.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
But as he talked.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
About, we had him on on Joey when he won
the Defensive Player of the Year and we talked to him.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
He said, look, study, I'm looking at formations.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
I'm looking at splits, I'm looking at down in distance,
I'm looking at area of the field. I'm also looking
at Okay, the person naw all that That's why you
need that's why you need to be smart as a
football player, because you got to be able to process that.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
He who has a take in sports is.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Beat and in the NFL, unless it's a blown coverage,
you throw people open. And these guys in this league
are good enough to throw a receiver open, so it
ain't gonna you can't waste motion because the really good
receivers are not going to waste motion.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Hey, all that dropping your arms?
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Hey, you're telling the dB I'm about to start. I'm
about to break the ball going the other way, and
you boys, you boys, tell at dude, I'm about to
run this out break on it, because that's what's gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
So it was it was great to see you in
that environment.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
O yo, I know you love you love everything about coaching,
except coaching itself, because you damn sure ain't gonna put
those you want to put that kind of hours in.
And that's what times I want you to come out
there and talk to him. During the summer. You you're
gonna be the coach.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Yeah, but listen, I can't coach an instruction environment. But
when a I'm just talking the game of actually route running,
getting open, understanding what's across from you and how to
beat it. Now that I can do, Now that I can.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
But you know what I noticed, don't. Yo, what about then?
What about the run blocking? I ain't seen you do
none of that.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
Hey, I'm glad you said that. I'm glad you said that. Now,
if you look, if you if you look at mustache, statistically,
this is one of the things that really aren't aren't
shown statistically.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
I'm the greatest run blocker in the history.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Of the NFL.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Oh lord, that is not true.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
I'm just telling you. I'm just telling you now. When
you think about blocking, everyone thinks about a physical specimen.
When it comes to playing receiver. Sometimes the indicator is
just being who you are in general and all I
got to do. Sometimes I ain't got a touch, no,
but I just run off and I take three.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
People with me.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Well, I think the thing is for the You look
at the West Coast. You look at West Coast offenses.
Those guys got a block or you're not getting the ball.
You look at a guy like a Hines Ward, who
made his.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Name in the league catching the thousand passes. He was
as a blocker.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
He was physical, I mean, Hines, he took pridy like
when y'all try to tear my head off when I
got the ball in my arms, right, now I get
an opportunity to peel your capel it.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
All the way back to wait wait, wait a minute,
Wait a minute, Wait a minute, wait a minute. Now
you said hines Wold was physical. Now that's not to
take nothing away from me. Now I was a very
physical blocker that they gave. It's not my game, but
it was part I had it in my repertoire.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a it's a it's a tool
that you didn't use.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
So you know how people got a toolbox and they
got all the tools in there, and they only use
the flathead of the Phillips head screwdriver. They used the
vice grips, they used the mugget ridge and it used
to jump rig and that's it. But they got one
hundred apparatuses in there. But at the end of the day,
it's all about getting the job done. Yes, whether you
whether you got if you got forced you pushed that
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corner and then come down on because they don't let
you crack no more. Old joke, hard the heart of
the heart to the block because you know you used
to be able to push that push the corner and
then see that safety creeping down there and.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
They blind side block when they call it blind side block.
The physic man hit them the swimvel bros.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
All you gotta do you just standing the way for
your arms.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Oh you got to move because the pilot get you.
Oh yeah, pol you gotta worry about that Polocho. So
you gotta keep your feet moving. You know A we
all been rolled up on.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
It. Ain't no damn fun oh yo put put.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Pro Football Addict named the top ten trash talkers in
NFL history.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
This this liict.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
This list is bulgeized because yours truly isn't on it.
Number one, Chad o Cho Senko number two, Smitty Steve
Smith Senior three, Richard Sherman number four, Me number five,
d On number six, Philip Rivers number seven, t O
number eight, Sugs number nine, Ray Lewis number ten, Courtland Sudden.
I feel like should be number.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
One, but hey, hey, hey, I know you feel you
should be number one.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
I should Hey, I know you feel you should.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
Be number one, But you have to understand. You have
to understand the art of trash talking. It's me. It
represents me. If the art of trash talking was in
the dictionary, there would be a picture of me. You
were great at trash talking. You were great at it.
You are let me let me, let me stay with me. Now,
you were great at it, but you have to understand
I took it to levels never seen or done before. Okay,
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there's a certain entertainment value to the trash talk that
I provided. I was talking trash right, let me stay
with me real quick, just real quick. On a losing team,
and I can fill a stadium with my trash talk alone.
So the seats we sold out because they come to
see what I'm gonna do based off what I said.
You see what I'm saying, You see what I'm going
(17:50):
to you? Yeah, come on, come on, I stay with me.
Now this is different. So when I play away, they
come and to see what he's going to do next
based off.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
Of what he said.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
Now, the pressure was on me to be able to
make sure I gave people they money's worth after I
did all the talking. That's pressure in itself. So I'm
not taking enough away from you were great at what
you did, but it's just I just had a different
aspect and different entertainment value to my trash talk.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
What clip did they show all the time?
Speaker 4 (18:19):
Card?
Speaker 6 (18:21):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (18:21):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, oh, Joe, you.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Do realize I had a coach, a coach resigned, and
a player got suspended because I was trashed.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
Talking, right, I got you, I got you, I got you.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
Yeah, but you've got to understand, Listen, I lost money
behind my entertainment and trash talking. I send gifts to
my opponents and secondaries to elevate the level of trash talk.
The bravado in which I brought to the game is
a little different. Now you did you? You hey, listen,
you were phenomenal. You have to remember I did it
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in a losing effort, in a losing atmosphere, just to
make it fun.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
For those watch without getting into it.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Cause you know, O Joe, you realize like you don't
talk as much when you miked up for the simple
fact that people gonna think, Oh, he don't do that
much talking.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
He's just doing this because he miked up.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
See the difference is right. Notice I never wore a mouthpiece.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
I just had Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
I didn't wear a mouthpiece because I need to be
able to converse with you throughout the entirety of the game.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Yeah. Yeah, And the problem is, k.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
This is the thing I'm not talking. I think you talked.
Steve Smith talked trash to get the person angry. Yeah,
Richard Sherman talked trash to get the person angry. Cam
Newton I saw his little clip earlier about him being
the best trash talker and says he gets people upset.
I'm not trying to get you upset.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
I don't want you mad.
Speaker 4 (19:42):
I want you happy.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
I just need to see if you can engage with
me and converse with me in the middle of a game.
I got you mentally, you already beat.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
I don't care what. I don't care what you get.
You get mad, you get happy at the end of
the day.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
Right bro, righty tighty?
Speaker 1 (19:59):
What's up? What t is?
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Where you've been at?
Speaker 1 (20:01):
What?
Speaker 3 (20:02):
What they do?
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Twin You're supposed to be holding it down? So who
did you off for work? That's what I need to do?
Who did you off for work?
Speaker 3 (20:10):
Huh? Old tity, look at my dog and a dog chilling?
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Man? Where your brother? Say? I got another brother? Here?
Speaker 3 (20:23):
Where you got another one? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Now he got his side? Oh no, they eat too much?
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Oh but where were you at? Uh?
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Man?
Speaker 3 (20:33):
You ain't you ain't you ain't even let me see him?
Speaker 1 (20:35):
Hold on, Thanos?
Speaker 3 (20:38):
Wait, you name him than Os?
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Yeah, but god, yeah, hear that big? Where do you
see him? Shall bring Thanos? Oh?
Speaker 3 (20:47):
But I know that, I know that joke of big.
How much you worried about one sixty.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
That teddy four pounds? That ain't everybody? My name is Stanos.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Well he's gonna grow them old.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Yeah, he maxed out on you.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
That's what you gotta give. You gotta give him a
better name.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Than that, like t wee Noh, he don't want to
be no, he said, our big he said, I run
stuff right here? He say, tired to get a bone?
Speaker 1 (21:17):
I take it. I'm like that.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
What happened to Teddy Bear?
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Teddy Bear on the couch?
Speaker 3 (21:23):
How they get along?
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Man, he'd be he'd be harassing Teddy Bear like something crazy.
And he had the other one I had baby Teddy
Bear was a nuisance with a minute. I mean, the
other one couldn't get no peace. Now all he doing
is repairing the favor.
Speaker 4 (21:38):
Okay, okay, I got, I got, I got.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
I like that.
Speaker 7 (21:39):
I like that.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
But how much?
Speaker 3 (21:42):
I don't meant to be in your pockets?
Speaker 1 (21:43):
But that was there no focus, Huh, I ain't.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
My don't mean to be in your pockets. I'm just
curious how much that was there, you.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Know, your little little something. I can't tell you where
I got him from. You know, it'd been a tier
for on it.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
Okay, okay, okay, okay, I understand, I know that I noticed.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
You ain't really want to answer that question. I'm still
trying to. I just want to know the numbers on him.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
That's it, little little up, you know, little you know,
little treat myself. I ain't bought myself nothing, you know, Okay, okay,
I still got the same the same range, the same BMW.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
So you know, you know what, let me give myself something.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
I ain't bought a watch, I ain't brought no clothing,
and so you know that was that was my that
was my birthday gift.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
Then I got Okay, but listen, listen, listen, I listen.
I told you, I told you I got a dude
out of Liberty City, right, I gotta do it in
Liberty City, get you everything exotic, from animals, the dogs,
the pets to you.
Speaker 4 (22:39):
I could have got you that. I could have got
you that for two hundred I'm just saying, what's that
a tea cup?
Speaker 1 (22:46):
Right?
Speaker 3 (22:47):
Teacup? Pomp pom.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Now he regular sized. He's not gonna I mean, he's
not gonna get much bigger than that. Tea cups. I
mean tea cups.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
They be like like three pounds, have a lot of health.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
Said he was four pounds.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
Though four pounds, he'll probably he'll they top out of
about six.
Speaker 4 (23:01):
Okay, okay, that's cool because I got my dog.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
My dog in Liberty City is named Lonzo.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
You need to get you a puppy. You need to
get you something to keep you grounded.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
Oh no, I can't do that. I can't.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
All my friends.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
You're white here. I don't want no dogs running around here.
I ain't got no time for that.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
Everything everything in here is white.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
You know you can you know you can train an animal, right, Yeah,
I ain't.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Got that kind of time. I ain't got that kind
of time.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Baby, all right. So the top to top ten trash talkers.
Oh Joe is number one, Smitty number two, Sharon three,
myself is four. Time is five. Philip Rivers. I'll be
thinking about it. A quarterback have made the list.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
Hey he be and he don't curse, but he funny
though he be.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Told dog it Hey with that one.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
When you threw that touchdown against Jacksonville and he screamed
at the ball whole guy's here. Hey, hey, hey, real teller,
that's real. Okay, I will scream in your ear.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
No, you won't.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
T o uh Sons Sugar and Courtland Fittiger. That's a
that's a nice little list. It's a nice list.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
It is.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
I mean sure, I'm sure some people will look at
the list they would disagree with the numerical.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Or oh I got one John Randall. You gotta have
Johnny on. That's a good way to have Johnny on.
John We came out, we came out the same the
same draft in nineteen ninety. Johnny was a people don't notice,
but Johnny was a free agent. Johnny got drafted as
a two hundred and thirty five defense two thirty. He
was two thirty at the defensivelignment and turned himself into
what one of the great dts that had a relentless motor.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
Yes, sir, yeah DDT.
Speaker 4 (24:34):
Even nice ja Ja was nice bro.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Apparently Cam called us out to think he's a better
trash talker. Let's listen to what Cam had to say.
Speaker 7 (24:42):
But when it comes to putting these nouns and verbs
you know what I'm saying, putting it together.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
It comes down to just being witty.
Speaker 6 (24:51):
You did know what I'm saying.
Speaker 7 (24:53):
Yeah, I'm trying to tell your piggy sometimes you got
to punch your toes east and west to let everybody
know who's that actual dads And I know, disrespect to unc.
Speaker 6 (25:04):
Uncle Shay and uh Chad Chadwick Johnson huh, But they
would have hated me because I'm gonna get personal. You
feel me saying, oh, yeah, we.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Got to do that.
Speaker 6 (25:21):
I don't fight fair, I don't talk fair, but it's
some truth behind everything that I say.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
And that's where I'm willing to go. Man, I say
some try to make your kids hate me.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
You see you see that. See he's he's talking trash,
trying to get under someone's skin. That's not the type
of trash talk I did. I talked trash in an
entertainment value way for fun, to have fun, to let
you know we gonna compete. See that's just talking. I wented.
I took it the extra mile. Do people not realize
(25:55):
the week before a game, I FedEx the secondaries. Yes,
as a small way to taunt in a certain way.
Nothing malicious but to have fun.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
That was a total of your appreciation.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
Exactly, to let you know, I'm thinking to you, D'Angelo. Oh,
I send them boys in Atlanta, send them gifts. You know,
obviously we know what I did for the Steelers. I
had had a I had a sponsorship with degree the odorant.
I send the Ravens secondary. I send them degree degree
degreedy odorant, you know, as a gift. Because y'all stink.
(26:33):
You're gonna be stinking when I'm done with you.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
That's all.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
That's all fun and love, and you know before it gainst.
So that's it's his type of trash talking. What I'm
what I'm doing is completely two different side sides of
the spectrum. But I respect what he did, but he
is nothing, not even close. We're not in the same
stratosphere when it comes to talk of trash.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Because for me, like I said, I went to an
agbc U. Come on that, that's all. I don't know
who's out there listening that has been to an HBCU.
But if you kin't jone, you ain't gonna surbid. You
can't surbid.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
You ain't gonna survive.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
I mean, and me, I'm hey, y'all. Y'all, y'all heard
me going back and forth. I'm talking about we just
if this ain't no you know A. I don't know
who I'm gonna talk trash to.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
In the game.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
It all depends on who starts talking trash back or
who started first. I'm gonna get it started. You know,
I'm gonna say something, and I'm gonna see I will
keep going until I hey, I'm gonna turn the door
handle to see which one's open, cause a lot of
them be locked. Don't yoke, They ain't gonna say nothing
to you, but I would keep ay. Everybody don't lock
their doors at night, you know what I'm saying, and
somebody run down on you because you don't. Used to
(27:42):
be in the seventies and earliest, the seventies and eighty,
you can sleep with your door open, let alone locked.
But now people get crazy after dark. You gotta keep
your hand on your thing. So with that being said,
everybody locking the doors, but not everybody. Somebody gonna forget
because they thought somebody else locked the door. Oh that's
what I turned the handling and be going on in. Yeah,
(28:02):
but Cam, look, I know you good, I know you good.
And putting things together. You know, adverbs and predicates and
pro nouns and adjectives.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Mm hmm. Oh no.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
But when it comes when it comes a when it
comes to lips barring, Yeah, I'm talking about a just ay,
just go yeah, talk.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
Toy Monk Hey and Cam. That's another thing you worried about.
Who's a better trash talker? Yeah, need to be practicing Madden.
That's what you need to be practicing Madden. Because I'm
still waiting on that snow all that talking you're doing.
And matter of fact, I got the new Madden already.
I got Madden twenty six, so by the.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
Time, so when he get it, you're gonna be proficionated.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
Matter of fact.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
The funny thing about it is I am the best gamer.
I'm the best Madden player in the world. I have
an advantage over everyone else because I'm a part of
the production of the game in itself. So the fact
that people think they can beat me, it's almost laughable.
Your Cam, Cam and Dads, Brian, I love them fellas.
They played for recreation. I play video games as a
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way of life. It's how I pay my bills. That's
why I don't understand when they come at me talk
about beat me in a video game.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
What you talk about? My life's getting cut off if
I'm playing for bills.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
You think you think I'm anna miss my light, bill
and my mortgage because you think you're gonna beat me
and matt Man.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Well, my light's getting cut off. I ain't got you know,
I ain't got no got no censery, heating and cooler.
Because if I gotta play video games to pay bills, no,
I mean the only thing I probably could. I probably
can't even play Oh Joe, I probably. I mean I
think I played like I used to play, Miss pac Man,
(29:44):
play Josh or something like that. But I was, I mean,
we ain't have no video I mean we could. We
could go to the arcades, we get a couple of quarters,
or we go my sister, we go wash clothes, and
they would have some video games or pool table.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Or something like that. But I was.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
No now shooting pool now, oh you know how to shoot?
I beat eras beat Minnesota fast. They called me slim,
Willie Masconey, Steve Misserwright. Hey, I don't know about that, Bill, Vivian. Uh,
(30:19):
you got to show me you got in the house.
You got to show me that's in the house with you.
You got to show me, because pool is what I do.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Huh, the pool is what I do.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
They listen. You know what they used to call me.
I used to play at the pool hall right on
fifty fourth Street, right off right off the tenth twelfth Avenue.
They used to call me sugar cane. Come my pool stick.
My pool stick looked like sugar cane.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
It was green. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
If you think you could beat me, but you can't
beat Slim. You can't beat Georgia Slim.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
Don't do it to yourself.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
Please, you can't beat I beat Fats. I beat Minnesota Fats.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
Come on, man, ask about me out here in the city. Man.
When it comes to hey, listen, when it comes to
the pool, pool table, when it comes to ping pong,
I beat the That's what I do. When it comes to.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Handball, that'sht of you and table tennis.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
B But listen what boy I told you. They called
me sugar cane.
Speaker 4 (31:22):
I had I had. I had a green pool stick.
They called me.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Trying to catch you one day. I'm gonna catch you
one day somewhere, and they're gonna have a pool table
in there.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
They have a table. They have a table tennis and
thing in there.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
Oh wait, wait, wait, you ain't got to catch me
nowhere because I come with you at and we can
go to a pool hall because we got plenty of them.
I bet you ain't got your own stick, my stick
right here?
Speaker 1 (31:48):
Oh Yoe, I beat you with a broomstick. I don't
even know they have a pool for you to beat you.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
You ain't, No, you ain't, no real you ain't no
real pool players. Hey, hey, I'm a shock man. They
called me when they called me when somebody at the
pool hall that think they're good.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
I'll let you win a couple of games. The let
you bet the money, then I come in there.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
No, come on, man, tighten up.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
This is OJOE.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
While we all wait, there's some people that have some
words for you for me. Chris Carter had some words
for Oyo last week. He said there were points, Oh yep,
he said there were points in Chad's career that you
had to go out there and tell him what to
do because he couldn't get over to save his life.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
He couldn't get.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
Over against average guys. Chad Johnson scored double digit touchdowns
one time. And it's eleven years. I think I scored
double digit touchdowns six times scored in the football is
the number one player at the receiver? No, I was
not a burner. I ran four to six for six five.
But can do it every single day, can do it
for four quarters and it consistent at it?
Speaker 1 (32:46):
O Jo, you know what that get? Child? Please? I
don't know what. I don't. I'm just.
Speaker 4 (32:59):
I have a question before you even go, what the
hell does that matter?
Speaker 1 (33:05):
What? What? What? What? What does it matter?
Speaker 3 (33:07):
Okay, you scored double d touchdowns?
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Okay?
Speaker 6 (33:09):
Cool?
Speaker 3 (33:10):
You want to cook it?
Speaker 1 (33:12):
Right? Okay, you had a conversation? Have you have? You
have you had a conversation with CC?
Speaker 3 (33:21):
No, I don't ain't no, I don't need to have
a question, so right. I heard Also he said, well
he only had double digit touchdowns one season, so he's
not a Hall of Famer. But does that mean Julio
Jones not a Hall of Famer either? Because Julio Jones
only had double d touchdowns one season?
Speaker 1 (33:36):
You have you have dumb?
Speaker 3 (33:37):
You had dumbn that sounds yeah. Sometimes I listen to
things and and and everyone's situation is different, you know,
everyone's situation different. I mean, so stuff like that. I
paid no mind because everything is predicated off numbers and
based on what they did, based on.
Speaker 4 (33:53):
Other people's situations were different.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
You know.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
Obviously where I was, I did the best I could,
but the cards I was dealt and I did one
hell of a goddamn job. I don't I don't care
about what you did. I don't care about your numbers.
It don't make it, don't make me none. Why is
my name even being brought up?
Speaker 1 (34:11):
That's what I was. That's what I'm trying to figure out.
I don't know why it was brought up.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
I don't cause, like I said, O yo me, I
don't really listen to anybody else's podcast.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
I got enough thing to try to, you know, to
try to.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
Make our podcast better than what it is, and I
got payche So I'm trying to get guessed and I'm
going with the booker's like, Okay, who do you think
we should get? Blah blah blah. So I don't really
have time to pay attention. But it just kept popping up,
not only on it kept popping up on Twitter, and
then I saw it on the internet and I'm like, okay,
what brought this about?
Speaker 1 (34:45):
I said, did o Joe say something about him or
what for one.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
You know, I don't talk about people.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
We definitely don't talk about people that do what we do.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
Never and you know I don't talk about nobody, you know.
But you know, congratulations and everything he said, and happy,
happy for you, Chris Cardy your double digit touchdowns and
and your Hall of Fame and all that other good stuff.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
I love you.
Speaker 4 (35:08):
I wish you content, continue success and whatever.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
It is you got going on. Baby, I know what
we're doing over here, though I know, I know, I know,
I know where I'm going. I'm going that way.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
He wanted. Maybe he wanted you to respond.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
I did respond. I just said I love him.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
No, but I'm saying I thought. I mean, I think
maybe he wanted you to respond in a different way.
Back and forth.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
I ain't got Look.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
I got first of all, you got kids, I got kids,
I got grand kids. I'm not finna go look what
we did we did.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
I can't.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
He can't go back and score no more touchdowns. You
can't go back and score no more touchdown. I can't
go back and scoring over touchdowns. We're out here, hey,
hold on, I'm.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
Still scoring touchdowns right now.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
Oh, man, Yes, you're doing great job.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
O man, I'm still scoring touchdowns in life, he tells
me he played. I don't care about that. I'm scoring
double double digit touchdowns right now. Come on, now, you're
not seeing You're not You're not hearing where I'm coming from.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
I hear what you said. I know, I know. But
that's my thing is that sometimes we get caught up
and talk about what we used to do. You know
what you're doing that.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
Talk to me what you're doing now?
Speaker 2 (36:23):
We were all great at once upon a time in
our own right. Okay, you know you did what you did.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
I think CC played sixteen seasons? Wait?
Speaker 3 (36:36):
How many?
Speaker 1 (36:36):
How many played sixteen?
Speaker 3 (36:38):
How many I played?
Speaker 1 (36:40):
I don't know. Hell you played? I think you played
level of twelve?
Speaker 3 (36:45):
Did you elevel?
Speaker 1 (36:45):
How many?
Speaker 3 (36:46):
Ay? I played eleven? He played sixteen?
Speaker 5 (36:48):
How many?
Speaker 3 (36:48):
How many yars you got?
Speaker 7 (36:52):
Man?
Speaker 1 (36:52):
Look here, I'm just I'm just asking. I'm just trying.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
I'm trying to get a better understand how many alls
you got?
Speaker 2 (36:58):
I don't ask ask how many yards does a CC have?
But okay, the chance said, CC snapped because he was
pissed at Ojo for saying that he could beat Travis
in a one on matchup ten out of ten times?
Speaker 1 (37:17):
Why is he bro We'd just be joking when we
say stuff, man, it ain't that sad.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
Oh he knew that.
Speaker 4 (37:23):
He knew that because I do the same thing with everybody.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
He just you do you? As somebody said, Ojo, can
you not challenge everybody that come on here?
Speaker 3 (37:31):
You everybody that come on here can get that work?
Speaker 2 (37:34):
He hit me and Travis tick below fourteen thousand yards.
He had thirteen thousand, eight hundred and ninety nine yards.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
So he played fifteen season sixteen, I think sixteen, and
he got well thirteen thousand.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
Yards almost fourteen thousand.
Speaker 3 (37:49):
Okay, so he plays fifteen sixteen, he only got three
thousand more yards than me and played five more season
I had eleven. I guess yeah, okay, okay, I'm just
trying to get a better understanding on Wow. Okay, cool anyway,
But like I was saying, anybody that come on this show, huh,
I had the utmost confidence in my ability and being
able to do any and everything. That's something that a
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lot of people in this world lack. Even if you
feel you can't do it, you have to fear you can.
Because everything starts up here in the mind. So everybody
that comes up here regards to what sports they player,
whatever it is that they do, I feel I can
beat them. And if you feel, if you fear, you
can beat me doing at what you do best, whatever
it may be, you're gonna have to show me. You're
(38:34):
gonna have to show me. Matter of fact, Chris Carter.
I'll lock Chris Carter ass up right now. Talk about
what he did.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
Huh, he's sexty.
Speaker 3 (38:45):
What that means? He talking like he still got it.
Get out here, get on the field.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
Line it up.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
Put your pet on. I'll lock your ass up too.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
Here. Man, we got a pose, that's what we got.
So we breathe it.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
We walk in, we get up out of bed. We
had our right mind, blood running warm about veins.
Speaker 3 (39:01):
Wait a minute, Wait a minute, Wait a minute, wait
a minute. On. See, this is the thing about it.
One thing about the wide receiver camp, the workshop that
I just had, is I'm not just talking. I'm not
just saying what it should looked like. Uncle, I'm not
there with McLees and my shoes on what out there
running full speed.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
I still got it.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
You hit me. So it's one thing once you go
back in that structuring environment, you know, with the exit
and those and you have a receiver coach that actually
never played, never really played the game. They just know
the game based on paper and what it should look like. Yeah, like,
I'm not there running them routs with you. I'm not
only just I'm not telling you what it should look like.
I can actually display it and show you, boy, this
(39:38):
is this is Picasso.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
Yeah, I would say this. Look.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
I've known CC a long time. His brother and I
used to hang at the Super Bowls and stuff. I
would just say this, CC. No, when the man joke it,
it wasn't that serious.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
Now, CC, I love you, baby, But putting them clease on,
put them, please on. I'm gonna show you double digits touchdowns.
I put these two hands in your chest. Why you
wonna catch shit?
Speaker 2 (40:04):
Ben Roethlisberger felt compelled to recently weigh in on whether
he'd rather have Aaron Rodgers or Patrick Mahomes on his team. Well,
I would take Aaron and his prime over Patrick.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
Now.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
I think Aaron Rodgers prime was one of the few
to ever do it, and so Patrick is at his prime.
Patrick mahons is just entering just entering out of his prime,
I think, does Ben realize how does Ben realize how
utterly ridiculous he sounds?
Speaker 3 (40:28):
Yeah, yeah, But obviously you know he's gonna go He's
gonna go with it with someone long contemporary exactly, someone
a little closer to him. Despite the success, the early
success in such in an early career that Patrick Mahomes
has had. Obviously Ben knows how great Patt is. But
obviously Aaron Rodgers was special despite not being able to
(40:50):
have the number of Super Bowls, only having one. But
if you look at Aaron Rodgers numbers in his prime,
it's unbelievable. It's unbelievable, despite him not being able to
win the when the big games consistently, like Patrick Mahomes
is done.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
So I thought I thought that was the objective because
people make it seem like Aaron Rodgers did not have
good teams. Go back and look at the receivers that
he had, Go back and look at the receivers that
he had, and go back and look at do you
believe the last three Super Bowls Aaron Rodgers could have
got that that receivering group to the Super Bowl. Consider
(41:26):
he could only get to the Super Bowl one time
with Jordan Nelson, with Greg Jennings, with Donald Driver, with
James Jones, with Jamichael Friendly.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
So do you believe he could take that group that
Patrick Mahons took.
Speaker 2 (41:39):
He couldn't even get that man, couldn't be Jimmy Garoppolo.
But somehow he gonna get to and he gonna win
the Super Bowl. Yeah, I mean, the MVPs are impressive. Chat,
y'all know, I've been one of the biggest, one of
the loudest Aaron Rodgers fans. He's phenomenal. He was from nominal.
(42:01):
But the basic on Patrick Mahomes. Patrick Mahomes in twenty
one postseason games is seventeen and four, three Super Bowl wins.
Aaron Rodgers in twenty two postseason games is twelve and
ten with one Super Bowl win.
Speaker 1 (42:16):
Yeah, and look at the guys that he's lost to, right.
Speaker 2 (42:23):
Tom Brady beating twice, Joe Burrow beating and now Jalen
Hurst beating. Now, don't look at the guys that's beat
Aaron Rodgers in a playoff game.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
The matter of fact, the man got beat by Jimmy
G twice.
Speaker 3 (42:41):
Hold On, Jimmy G had a nice squadro run him
now he had a nice squad run him and all
Jimmy g had to do. Jimmy, don't mess it up.
I'll tell you what'll take the ball. Don't mess it up.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
Don't give Patrick Mahons. That's the game. Give Patrick.
Speaker 2 (42:55):
Okay, if I give Patrick Mahomes that squad, what you
think you think Aaron Rodgers beating Patrick? You be he
gonna bet Patrick Mahomes with that squad, Because you say,
Jimmy g.
Speaker 3 (43:03):
Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no, no no no.
You put Mahomes around any team, Yes, listen, Mahomes is
one of the few quarterbacks on You can put him
on any team and it elevates everyone else around him. Yes,
elevates everyone else around him because he's just that good,
not only physically. But he gonna beat you here too.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
Yes, I mean, bro, he beat Jay Cutler. Jay Cutler
got hurt and got on the station in their back.
He thought he was at a Tour de fronce, so
he didn't want to play football no more. He just
wanted to ride the stationary bike. Look, I mean, you
beat who you beat to get your the Super Bowl,
But I look, this has been Roethlisberger's opinion but I
(43:43):
vehemently disagree with this, Yeah, vehemently, And I think the
thing is he's basically on MVPs. He's based on MVP
and Aaron Rodgers has four. But look at those great
seasons that came out to be duds. See, the thing
is is that show can you do if you got
a great offense, can you get done? Can you score
(44:06):
a point when you need to? If your great defense?
Can you get a start with you need to? Can
you get off the field on third down? Can you
get your offense the ball back? Can you not let
him fip flip the field? You got him backed up?
Can you make him stay there and not flip the field?
Get the ball to midfield and then put it and
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pin you down inside the five?
Speaker 1 (44:27):
Can you do that?
Speaker 2 (44:28):
Aaron Rodgers has four regular season MVPs, one Super Bowl,
a Super Bowl MVP. Patrick Mahomes has two Super Bowl
has two m vps, three Super Bowl MVPs. He's been
the five, right, and you're saying, now, let this seek in.
The man has already been the more super bowls, has
more regularly, has more postseason wins, has more post has
(44:50):
more MVPs, and he's not even thirty.
Speaker 3 (44:53):
Yeah, and I think it's more to it than that. Obviously,
we don't know what Ben is indicating why he picked
Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1 (45:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (45:00):
I want people not to forget how special Aaron Rodgers
was as well, he's said, and how gifted he was
as a quarterback.
Speaker 2 (45:09):
Oh, he's a physically football general. He and d are
talking about just pure throws of the football. Aaron Rodgers,
Dan Marino, take your pick. But this is what he said, Oh, Joe,
I think Aaron and his prime was one of the
top few to ever do it. And so Patrick at
his prime, Patrick Mahomes is just entering out of his prime.
(45:33):
So you so, in other words, he said Aaron was
one of the top to do it, but Patrick isn't
because what he said, that what he's saying, he said,
I think Aaron Rodgers in his prime was one of
the top to ever do it. So if by his
by his what his word said, if Patrick Mahomes is coming.
Speaker 1 (45:49):
Out of his prime, he wasn't one of the top
to ever do it.
Speaker 2 (45:53):
So from twenty three to thirty nine, he goes to
five Super Bowls, wins three, three m VP's two, a
regular season MVPs two five thousand yard seasons and a
fifty touchdown season. But he ain't one of the top
who will not one of the top you to ever
do it. Now you chat, do y'all see how utterly
ridiculous that sounds. Now, I hope we got this right.
(46:14):
Let's just make sure we got this right. Double check that.
Speaker 1 (46:17):
Well. I would take Aaron in his prime over Patrick. Now.
Speaker 2 (46:21):
I think Aaron Rodgers in his prime was one of
the top you to ever do it, and so is
Patrick at his prime. Patrick Mahomes is just entering out
of his prime. I think so he think Patrick Mahomes
is out of his prime.
Speaker 3 (46:35):
Now with Yo, Yeah, I don't know, but obviously Ben
being a quarterback that played with, not with, but against
Aaron Rodgers, I think that's where he's picking him instead
of instead of.
Speaker 2 (46:50):
Yeah, because I think I think Ben came in in
four and I think Aaron came in in five.
Speaker 1 (46:54):
So you know, you see that's kind of like right right, right, right,
right right, that's the eron. Yeah. I don't know about
that one.
Speaker 3 (47:06):
Yeah, yeah, I was just gonna say everyone everyone has
a preference, you know. Sometimes the goldpost move regards of
what the accolades and what someone has done, there's always
somebody else that they like better regardless.
Speaker 2 (47:20):
Uh, this is what Patrick Mahomes trainer had to say
to being not everybody quits working out at thirty men.
Speaker 3 (47:37):
He said that for real, Yeah, okay, that's my first
time here, that's my first time here.
Speaker 4 (47:42):
When the trainers talk trash, I like that.
Speaker 2 (47:44):
I like that, I think, I think, he commented, because
there was a somebody I think in the Kansas City
media talked about Patrick Mahomes and talk about his body
and look like he eat pizza and stuff like that.
I want my quarterback to look just like Patrick Mahomes.
I want my quarterback to look with the shirt off,
looked like Brady, looked like Peyton Manning.
Speaker 1 (48:02):
That's what I want my quarterback to look like. Mules.
Speaker 2 (48:05):
I don't want no muscles. I don't want no muscles
I wanted to have because I wouldn't to be able
to twist. I don't want him to just sprained straining,
no ableak. I don't want all that all that muscles
now the shoulder that that here, right.
Speaker 4 (48:18):
So basically, you want your quarterback to look have a Dad.
Speaker 1 (48:21):
Bard, that's what granddad is possible. He just kept over
with dad Granddad. I like it. I like it.
Speaker 2 (48:33):
Like I said, look, and that's not to take away
from Aaron because like I said, chat, y'all know me,
y'all saw me on the other show. I was and
I still think Aaron Rodgers is phenomenal. Is he is?
Speaker 1 (48:46):
He what he was was?
Speaker 2 (48:47):
No as we get older, as an athlete gets older,
where he could elevate everybody else, now he needs help
for him to elevate. Look at Tom. Tom he had
he couldn't get. He could was not gonna be able
to get those Patriots. Because now he goes to Tampa
and he got Godwin and he got Mike Evan, and
(49:09):
he get Gronk to come back, and he got some
other weapons and he got a solid offensive line. And
you see, but after that Super Bowl, you see Tom
threw for what five thousand yards, but it didn't have
the same ump to it. He didn't have the same
like those like he throw it for three hundred yards,
but the majority of the time they were playing from behind,
and so the three hundred yards didn't have the same pizazz,
(49:31):
They didn't have the same impact. Like I said, there's
no denying Aaron Rodgers in a top quarterback wherever you
want to place him. I don't think you can put
him in top five because he didn't win enough championship
to be top five, especially when you're talking about Brady
and you're talking about Manning and you're talking about Joe
(49:52):
Montana and you talk.
Speaker 1 (49:54):
About my homeboy. Just like, just that alone, just that
alone keeps him out.
Speaker 2 (49:59):
But I don't know if you can keep him out
of the top ten because those four regular season MVPs,
only Peyton Manning has more the touchdown the interception ratio.
Speaker 1 (50:11):
I don't know how you keep him out of the
top ten, right, don't.
Speaker 2 (50:15):
I'm surprised that he didn't make the seventy fifth Anniversary
team because you know, they tried. They didn't want to
load up in any one particular era. They can't say, well,
let's take all the guys from the modern era and
then we leave guys like Johnny Unanus or Otto Graham
or some of these.
Speaker 1 (50:33):
Other guys out.
Speaker 2 (50:35):
So you know, look, Joe, Peyton, and Tom those three
were going they're gonna be on this antifas versus Anna Ristine.
And then they took John, they took Marino. That's five
off the top of my head, I can't remember. I
think Johnny Uninus, I think he was there. I think
Otto Graham was there at seven. I don't like I said,
(50:56):
I don't really remember all of them, but I think,
you know, they tried to get a mixture. They didn't
want to load up and said, Okay, we're just gonna
take the receivers from because you know, you gotta take
Don Husson. Now you leave out you know, Charlie Hennigan,
you know, you know Jerry and Randy. For me, I
thought too deserved to be on the seventy fifth aniverse.
Speaker 3 (51:15):
Absolutely talk about top top top three, top two.
Speaker 2 (51:18):
You might not like your antiques and say, okay, he
killed the locker room. All I know is this that
man got the third or the fourth most touchdowns. Ever, well,
he got the third most touchdowns for a receiver.
Speaker 1 (51:31):
See.
Speaker 3 (51:31):
And that's the problem that that that's the problem that
I have is the people that have the power that
call the shots, that control everything on who's allowed to
be on this list, who's allowed to be in that
That's why that's why I don't I don't like the
politics that come with it. I don't like the politics,
but come with it. White, You think GOT don my
own jacket.
Speaker 1 (51:53):
White, you think I.
Speaker 3 (51:53):
Don my own jacks because I understood how it works.
And I'm not finna play that game because as far
as I'm discerned, I'm won. It's one thing I don't like,
and I'm going to just say this real quick. One
thing I don't like about former players that had great
careers and they know they've had great careers and they
have their numbers. I hate. I hate the almost begging
(52:14):
in the sense to be a part of something that
was created and you have to, you have to pander
to want to be in it. It's like being an
actor and knowing that you had great movies, that you've
had a great career doing movies, but you never want
to Oscar. That doesn't take away none of the work
that you've already done, that's set in stone.
Speaker 1 (52:32):
It doesn't because you know what I look at it.
I look at it like Denzel.
Speaker 2 (52:37):
Denzel is one he won for Glory supporting role and
then he wanted a lead role for Training Day. But
if Denzel didn't win any awards, does that make me
think that Denzel isn't a great actor? Absolutely not, Yes,
because I saw him in Cry Freedom, playing bad too,
Stephen Beko, come on, I saw him playing Ruben Hurricane.
I saw him in Hurricane. I saw him play Malcolm X.
(53:00):
Saw it with my own two eyes.
Speaker 3 (53:02):
Yes, sir, hold on, I'm gonna add to that. I
saw him live in New York.
Speaker 4 (53:08):
Play Old Fellow, Yes and never forget a line.
Speaker 1 (53:12):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (53:13):
I think he was encouraged. Was he encouraged under Fire
with uh, what's the guy name? The guy passed away recently?
Under I mean it's sad that he and his wife
was dead for years.
Speaker 3 (53:26):
Geene Hackman, Jean had Okay, yeah, yeah, Jean Jean.
Speaker 2 (53:29):
But I courage under Fire. I saw him in the
Pelican Breathe I saw I saw him in and uh
inside inside man, I saw him. So even even if
he didn't win up award end an award, I seen
enough of him to know what greatness is.
Speaker 3 (53:50):
Absolutely And I just don't like the need for validation
because they put Hall of Fame, well, if you're not
a part of this, then what you've done is not valid.
Speaker 4 (54:04):
When that's just not the case for so many.
Speaker 3 (54:06):
It's okay, it's okay to have a great understanding, to
be an actor, to be a football player, you know,
or or or to be an artist.
Speaker 1 (54:14):
To be a musician. You know.
Speaker 3 (54:16):
Sometimes as great as you are, they don't see you
as that. And it's okay. It doesn't take away the
fact when the body of work that you put in.
Speaker 2 (54:28):
He was in a Courage under Fire. What was that
movie where he was at with Gene Hackman about the submarine.
Speaker 3 (54:35):
Crimson Tie Crimson, Yes, yes, yeah, he played that listed Denzel.
Denzel has unbelievable range.
Speaker 2 (54:48):
Unyeah, Crimson Tide, I think with Crimson Tide with Regeneen
Courage under Fire. I think it was Meg Ryan. He
was in another movie, uh and Dakota Fanning where Uh?
Speaker 1 (55:00):
Proof of What is the Proof of life? What is
a movie called proof of Life?
Speaker 5 (55:05):
I don't I don't know that one.
Speaker 2 (55:12):
Saw him in All the Equalizers. I saw him in
Devil in Blue Dress, Harlem Blues when he was bleek.
He's flaying the trumpet. Man on Fire, That's what it was.
Speaker 4 (55:26):
You remember that on Joe Yes with Peter Man on
Fire with Pizza Mark Mark Anthony.
Speaker 1 (55:35):
Any more wishes I wish you had more time. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (55:44):
Classic
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us while Ojo and I had some needed, much needed
time off as we get ready to head back into
the NFL season and jump back on this ground again.
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Hey listen, Hey, I'm feeling good and again about about
ten fifteen pounds.
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I had a great, a great vacation.
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Had had me a good old time. I'm sure I'm
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Yeah, you know me. I went home, saw the kids,
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Speaker 1 (02:26):
We ain't gonna be wait for a football season to start.
Absolutely not, absolutely not. You know we do.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
We we gotta get back into our grind on yo
be cause you know, come, football season is five nights
a week, so we get very limited time off. So
it's like Sunday, it's Saturday, Sunday, Monday.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Go ahead, Oh yoe, Oho, you said five nights a
week wait in football season?
Speaker 4 (02:46):
Ay, and not but Monday, Thursday and Monday, Thursday and Saturday,
I mean Sunday.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Man. You know we got college football on Saturday.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Nights, okay, okay.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
And then and then when you.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Have that bridge from Monday, Wednesday, Thursday Saturday.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
Sunday, okay, okay, that's that's four days.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Uh No, Saturday, Sunday, Monday Wednesday, Thursday.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Okay, okay.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Oh, I'm glad you got very good accounts to keep
you keep your money straight for you, cause you'll be
end up giving up. You've giving up one hundreds for fifties.
But in case, that's what I feel up for, to
keep it, to keep you on, to keep you on point. Oh,
let's jump right into it, or we get into some topics.
Tell us about your why that camp, because there's like
the uh D Lineman got a camp.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Tight ends have what they call tight end you.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Yes, I think you started what you called why receive
wide Receiver work workshops.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Why it's our workout camp last week?
Speaker 2 (03:39):
The clip of you being emotional and grateful to the
guys that showed up in that case. In that case
Chat hasn't seen it yet. We're gonna play this clip
for you. Take a look at it.
Speaker 5 (03:47):
Y'all know how much I love the game. You know
how much I love y'all. Right throughout the years, You've
tweeted back every last one of y'all, so you already
know how I feel about you. And they brought the
idea to me. I told the court, I thought this
y'all boys today, and I was scared that I was
scared to to.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Make that call because let it out on me.
Speaker 5 (04:09):
That's what it's not let it out, deserve it, bro, that's.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Hey, it's a lot of pride. Are you going to
receive a position?
Speaker 5 (04:23):
Honestly, I thought come together. I thought some of the
big boys and just any of y'all. Y'all busy. I'm busy.
You know how you know how to be? So for
you to show up I mean the world to me.
Like I don't cry normally, and I really ain't really
shame to do it in front of y'all. I swear
(04:44):
to God, I appreciate you, swear to God, and I
look forward to we do tomorrow. We're gonna keep talking
talk about the game of football. I don't want to
bring you to death, but gon wanna get in the
what you need to work on and improve. You know,
you can get back to work and feel good about
something that you got in your stole from somebody of
somebody else. Game you know, out than that, Mitchell, all
(05:06):
get out of this ray Man like like, I seriously
swoot you all night.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
That that was dope. That was a good feeling, a
good feeling. A lot of people are probably watching the
with with with not great understanding about the love I
have for the game, not just the game in general,
but the craft when it comes to that artwork, when
it comes to playing a position to receiver, and how much.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
I embedded and love that artistry.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
And for those fellas to show up on for the
for the for the big boys to actually show up.
For me, it meant a lot. It meant a lot
for one for one, for me to be so far
removed from the game and to want to help those
that are still playing, you know, in finding tweaks and
things that they can improve on and add to their game.
There's nothing that we have as a collective group as
(05:54):
receivers when all get get together under one umbrella and
talk about the game of foot ball, talk about route
running and and and anything that comes along with that,
ways to to to manipulate defenses, ways to give illusions
that should run a full speed. Then when you really,
I mean when you when you're really not just a
little tricks in the trade of the craft in itself.
(06:16):
And and the boys showed up. They showed up because
I look at them as a fan. I don't look
at them as ocho that's already played. I look at
them in awe like I'm looking up to them. And
they tried to get me to see fool you tripping.
We look up to you because we still studying your
stuff from way back then. But I don't view myself
(06:38):
like that or in that light, which is why the
emotion and the tears came from. Like I can't believe it.
They actually showed They actually showed up. T Higgins, Jamar Chase,
call his son Jeremdy. We talk about people that are
already established in the league, that have got their big payday's.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
They ain't got they they don't have to come out here.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
They don't have to, but it's a testament for get
them coming for me, a testament where they are with
their game and wanting to improve and get better at
their craft and what they.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Do well, you want to get better.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
I mean if they have I guarantee you, if they
have a convention, uh and they invite the top one
hundred tech guys, I guarantee you they gonna show up
because Iron shoppings Iron. You know, we gotta get out
of this illusion where I don't want to give away
no secrets. I don't want to give away no secrets,
and I'm trying to do this. I keep this till
myself what good is all this knowledge? If you hoard it,
somebody had to you. I don't care what any receiver
(07:31):
tell you. He did not learn or forget the position.
He did not learn everything on his own. He got
it from somewhere. So and instead of you sharing it,
you want to hoard it. Now, what if somebody would
have done that to you? What if somebody would have
hearded that information and teach you how to be in
and how to dep oh, or somebody teach you how
(07:52):
to snatch pool. So now you get the information. But see,
that's how we all see a lot of times.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Don't show. We'll get up now. We'll use the ladder
to get up it.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Once we get up, we'll pull the ladder up to
make sure nobody else get.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Up there with us.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Yes, sir, yes, sir, yes.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
How many times have we seen that? We see it
a lot.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
I ain't gonna get political with you, but we see
a lot of that. A lot of people came through immigration.
Now they got over here. Kick that ladder down. Now
you ain't getting up here. I'm here now, so with
damn you. And a lot of times athletes have that
same mentality. Somebody in partake and maybe it wasn't publicly.
(08:31):
Maybe it was a private setting. Now, someone in part part,
in part gave you wisdom and knowledge and understanding.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
You want to pretend like you got that all on
your own.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
What I like, most don't because a lot of times
these guys forget that there was somebody before them, and
it seemed like if it didn't happen in the Internet age,
it didn't happen. Oh man, I don't know about that guy.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
What that guy got a hundred and something touch one
hundred and some touchdown. That guy have.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Fifteen twitchs sixteen seventeen thousand yards. Oh you thought that
you started playing wide receiver like thirty years ago. I like,
sometimes sometimes not all. There's no such thing as all
of every Guys forget not taking women out of this.
You can talk about the WNBA, We'll talk about that
(09:19):
later day and time. I'm just talking about men in
professional sports. It's almost like we want to pooh poop.
The one thing that I've never done is I've never
forgot the guys that laid the foundation, from the Mackies
to the Dickers, to the Ossies, to the winsloads of
seconds to the Jackie Smith. Guys like that Raymond Chesters.
I know the history of that position. I know the
history of the tight end position and of the NFL,
(09:42):
So therefore I'm greatly, greatly appreciative. But that was great.
That was really great to see. I'm glad you got
an opportunity of that. Hopefully, hopefully you can get sponsors
like we see it tight end you and it gets
bigger and bigger and better and better their year after year.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
So that's that. Kudos to you.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Yeah, most definitely we had taking.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Time out of your busy schedule, Yeah and say, you
know what, guys, I want to bring you guys together
and impartake some of the wisdom that I've been given over.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
The course of the years.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
And maybe maybe only one to two people got something
out of what you said or what someone else said,
but that was success, Yeah, because that was information they
wouldn't have gotten had they not been there.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
Yeah. It was dope. And my favorite part of the
two days that we had together was sitting there talking
obviously to Jerry, talking all Alive, some more kJ Osborne
or all the boys. But the great the greatest conversation
that I really enjoyed was me, you know, obviously Jamar
(10:44):
Jamar Chase, Jerry, Judy and court and Courtland Sudden and
we had a thirty minute discussion I'm talking about I'm
about a good thirty on ways to beat Pat Certain Jr.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Hey, he's so, he's so I swear for God.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
The first thing they all say, Judy, he's so long,
he's so patient. Chase say anything short, You're not You're not.
You're not gonna be able to run it. And the
conversation about Pat is the testament to him to how
great he is and how good he is.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
And of course I said what I could. We went
back and forth.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
It was a great dialogue on that, and then they
talked about the other dbs that are very very difficult,
not as long, but technically sound and savvy. They talked
about Denzel Award on how difficult, Chase talking about how.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Difficult it is to great Award.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
Yeah, when you play him, you got to be on
your p's and q's. They talked about Stinger. When you
play Stingley, you got to be on your p's and q's.
Obviously the other great there are other great deepensive backs
in the NFL. But the way those dudes praise past
certain Steley and Denzel Award Man.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
It was.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
It was wonderful, wonderful thing to.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Help Pat who is his dead. So his dad was
a pro bowler, Yes, sir, so he had great So
the first thing I noticed about passertained when he got
to Alabama. I say this for a freshman, this duty
is technically sound, like he should be in the league already.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
You look at him and there's no wasted motion.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
There's there ain't nothing, there ain't no you know, he
tried a boom if you release inside boom stabbing bami.
I was like, damn he technically sound. Damn ain't no
wasted motion. I mean he getting he baum and whenever,
whenever backfoot.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
Playing, he driving, yeah, every time.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
But as he talked.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
About, we had him on on Joey when he won
the Defensive Player of the Year and we talked to him.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
He said, look, study, I'm looking at formations.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
I'm looking at splits, I'm looking at down in distance,
I'm looking at area of the field. I'm also looking
at Okay, the person naw all that That's why you
need that's why you need to be smart as a
football player, because you got to be able to process that.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
He who has a take in sports is.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Beat and in the NFL, unless it's a blown coverage,
you throw people open. And these guys in this league
are good enough to throw a receiver open, so it
ain't gonna you can't waste motion because the really good
receivers are not going to waste motion.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Hey, all that dropping your arms?
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Hey, you're telling the dB I'm about to start. I'm
about to break the ball going the other way, and
you boys, you boys, tell at dude, I'm about to
run this out break on it, because that's what's gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
So it was it was great to see you in
that environment.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
O yo, I know you love you love everything about coaching,
except coaching itself, because you damn sure ain't gonna put
those you want to put that kind of hours in.
And that's what times I want you to come out
there and talk to him. During the summer. You you're
gonna be the coach.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Yeah, but listen, I can't coach an instruction environment. But
when a I'm just talking the game of actually route running,
getting open, understanding what's across from you and how to
beat it. Now that I can do, Now that I can.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
But you know what I noticed, don't. Yo, what about then?
What about the run blocking? I ain't seen you do
none of that.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
Hey, I'm glad you said that. I'm glad you said that. Now,
if you look, if you if you look at mustache, statistically,
this is one of the things that really aren't aren't
shown statistically.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
I'm the greatest run blocker in the history.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Of the NFL.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Oh lord, that is not true.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
I'm just telling you. I'm just telling you now. When
you think about blocking, everyone thinks about a physical specimen.
When it comes to playing receiver. Sometimes the indicator is
just being who you are in general and all I
got to do. Sometimes I ain't got a touch, no,
but I just run off and I take three.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
People with me.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Well, I think the thing is for the You look
at the West Coast. You look at West Coast offenses.
Those guys got a block or you're not getting the ball.
You look at a guy like a Hines Ward, who
made his.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Name in the league catching the thousand passes. He was
as a blocker.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
He was physical, I mean, Hines, he took pridy like
when y'all try to tear my head off when I
got the ball in my arms, right, now I get
an opportunity to peel your capel it.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
All the way back to wait wait, wait a minute,
Wait a minute, Wait a minute, wait a minute. Now
you said hines Wold was physical. Now that's not to
take nothing away from me. Now I was a very
physical blocker that they gave. It's not my game, but
it was part I had it in my repertoire.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a it's a it's a tool
that you didn't use.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
So you know how people got a toolbox and they
got all the tools in there, and they only use
the flathead of the Phillips head screwdriver. They used the
vice grips, they used the mugget ridge and it used
to jump rig and that's it. But they got one
hundred apparatuses in there. But at the end of the day,
it's all about getting the job done. Yes, whether you
whether you got if you got forced you pushed that
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corner and then come down on because they don't let
you crack no more. Old joke, hard the heart of
the heart to the block because you know you used
to be able to push that push the corner and
then see that safety creeping down there and.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
They blind side block when they call it blind side block.
The physic man hit them the swimvel bros.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
All you gotta do you just standing the way for
your arms.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Oh you got to move because the pilot get you.
Oh yeah, pol you gotta worry about that Polocho. So
you gotta keep your feet moving. You know A we
all been rolled up on.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
It. Ain't no damn fun oh yo put put.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Pro Football Addict named the top ten trash talkers in
NFL history.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
This this liict.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
This list is bulgeized because yours truly isn't on it.
Number one, Chad o Cho Senko number two, Smitty Steve
Smith Senior three, Richard Sherman number four, Me number five,
d On number six, Philip Rivers number seven, t O
number eight, Sugs number nine, Ray Lewis number ten, Courtland Sudden.
I feel like should be number.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
One, but hey, hey, hey, I know you feel you
should be number one.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
I should Hey, I know you feel you should.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
Be number one, But you have to understand. You have
to understand the art of trash talking. It's me. It
represents me. If the art of trash talking was in
the dictionary, there would be a picture of me. You
were great at trash talking. You were great at it.
You are let me let me, let me stay with me. Now,
you were great at it, but you have to understand
I took it to levels never seen or done before. Okay,
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there's a certain entertainment value to the trash talk that
I provided. I was talking trash right, let me stay
with me real quick, just real quick. On a losing team,
and I can fill a stadium with my trash talk alone.
So the seats we sold out because they come to
see what I'm gonna do based off what I said.
You see what I'm saying, You see what I'm going
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to you? Yeah, come on, come on, I stay with me.
Now this is different. So when I play away, they
come and to see what he's going to do next
based off.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
Of what he said.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
Now, the pressure was on me to be able to
make sure I gave people they money's worth after I
did all the talking. That's pressure in itself. So I'm
not taking enough away from you were great at what
you did, but it's just I just had a different
aspect and different entertainment value to my trash talk.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
What clip did they show all the time?
Speaker 4 (18:19):
Card?
Speaker 6 (18:21):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (18:21):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, oh, Joe, you.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Do realize I had a coach, a coach resigned, and
a player got suspended because I was trashed.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
Talking, right, I got you, I got you, I got you.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
Yeah, but you've got to understand, Listen, I lost money
behind my entertainment and trash talking. I send gifts to
my opponents and secondaries to elevate the level of trash talk.
The bravado in which I brought to the game is
a little different. Now you did you? You hey, listen,
you were phenomenal. You have to remember I did it
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in a losing effort, in a losing atmosphere, just to
make it fun.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
For those watch without getting into it.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Cause you know, O Joe, you realize like you don't
talk as much when you miked up for the simple
fact that people gonna think, Oh, he don't do that
much talking.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
He's just doing this because he miked up.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
See the difference is right. Notice I never wore a mouthpiece.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
I just had Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
I didn't wear a mouthpiece because I need to be
able to converse with you throughout the entirety of the game.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Yeah. Yeah, And the problem is, k.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
This is the thing I'm not talking. I think you talked.
Steve Smith talked trash to get the person angry. Yeah,
Richard Sherman talked trash to get the person angry. Cam
Newton I saw his little clip earlier about him being
the best trash talker and says he gets people upset.
I'm not trying to get you upset.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
I don't want you mad.
Speaker 4 (19:42):
I want you happy.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
I just need to see if you can engage with
me and converse with me in the middle of a game.
I got you mentally, you already beat.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
I don't care what. I don't care what you get.
You get mad, you get happy at the end of
the day.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
Right bro, righty tighty?
Speaker 1 (19:59):
What's up? What t is?
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Where you've been at?
Speaker 1 (20:01):
What?
Speaker 3 (20:02):
What they do?
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Twin You're supposed to be holding it down? So who
did you off for work? That's what I need to do?
Who did you off for work?
Speaker 3 (20:10):
Huh? Old tity, look at my dog and a dog chilling?
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Man? Where your brother? Say? I got another brother? Here?
Speaker 3 (20:23):
Where you got another one? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Now he got his side? Oh no, they eat too much?
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Oh but where were you at? Uh?
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Man?
Speaker 3 (20:33):
You ain't you ain't you ain't even let me see him?
Speaker 1 (20:35):
Hold on, Thanos?
Speaker 3 (20:38):
Wait, you name him than Os?
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Yeah, but god, yeah, hear that big? Where do you
see him? Shall bring Thanos? Oh?
Speaker 3 (20:47):
But I know that, I know that joke of big.
How much you worried about one sixty.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
That teddy four pounds? That ain't everybody? My name is Stanos.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Well he's gonna grow them old.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Yeah, he maxed out on you.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
That's what you gotta give. You gotta give him a
better name.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Than that, like t wee Noh, he don't want to
be no, he said, our big he said, I run
stuff right here? He say, tired to get a bone?
Speaker 1 (21:17):
I take it. I'm like that.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
What happened to Teddy Bear?
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Teddy Bear on the couch?
Speaker 3 (21:23):
How they get along?
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Man, he'd be he'd be harassing Teddy Bear like something crazy.
And he had the other one I had baby Teddy
Bear was a nuisance with a minute. I mean, the
other one couldn't get no peace. Now all he doing
is repairing the favor.
Speaker 4 (21:38):
Okay, okay, I got, I got, I got.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
I like that.
Speaker 7 (21:39):
I like that.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
But how much?
Speaker 3 (21:42):
I don't meant to be in your pockets?
Speaker 1 (21:43):
But that was there no focus, Huh, I ain't.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
My don't mean to be in your pockets. I'm just
curious how much that was there, you.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Know, your little little something. I can't tell you where
I got him from. You know, it'd been a tier
for on it.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
Okay, okay, okay, okay, I understand, I know that I noticed.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
You ain't really want to answer that question. I'm still
trying to. I just want to know the numbers on him.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
That's it, little little up, you know, little you know,
little treat myself. I ain't bought myself nothing, you know, Okay, okay,
I still got the same the same range, the same BMW.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
So you know, you know what, let me give myself something.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
I ain't bought a watch, I ain't brought no clothing,
and so you know that was that was my that
was my birthday gift.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
Then I got Okay, but listen, listen, listen, I listen.
I told you, I told you I got a dude
out of Liberty City, right, I gotta do it in
Liberty City, get you everything exotic, from animals, the dogs,
the pets to you.
Speaker 4 (22:39):
I could have got you that. I could have got
you that for two hundred I'm just saying, what's that
a tea cup?
Speaker 1 (22:46):
Right?
Speaker 3 (22:47):
Teacup? Pomp pom.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Now he regular sized. He's not gonna I mean, he's
not gonna get much bigger than that. Tea cups. I
mean tea cups.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
They be like like three pounds, have a lot of health.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
Said he was four pounds.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
Though four pounds, he'll probably he'll they top out of
about six.
Speaker 4 (23:01):
Okay, okay, that's cool because I got my dog.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
My dog in Liberty City is named Lonzo.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
You need to get you a puppy. You need to
get you something to keep you grounded.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
Oh no, I can't do that. I can't.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
All my friends.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
You're white here. I don't want no dogs running around here.
I ain't got no time for that.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
Everything everything in here is white.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
You know you can you know you can train an animal, right, Yeah,
I ain't.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Got that kind of time. I ain't got that kind
of time.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Baby, all right. So the top to top ten trash talkers.
Oh Joe is number one, Smitty number two, Sharon three,
myself is four. Time is five. Philip Rivers. I'll be
thinking about it. A quarterback have made the list.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
Hey he be and he don't curse, but he funny
though he be.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Told dog it Hey with that one.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
When you threw that touchdown against Jacksonville and he screamed
at the ball whole guy's here. Hey, hey, hey, real teller,
that's real. Okay, I will scream in your ear.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
No, you won't.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
T o uh Sons Sugar and Courtland Fittiger. That's a
that's a nice little list. It's a nice list.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
It is.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
I mean sure, I'm sure some people will look at
the list they would disagree with the numerical.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Or oh I got one John Randall. You gotta have
Johnny on. That's a good way to have Johnny on.
John We came out, we came out the same the
same draft in nineteen ninety. Johnny was a people don't notice,
but Johnny was a free agent. Johnny got drafted as
a two hundred and thirty five defense two thirty. He
was two thirty at the defensivelignment and turned himself into
what one of the great dts that had a relentless motor.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
Yes, sir, yeah DDT.
Speaker 4 (24:34):
Even nice ja Ja was nice bro.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Apparently Cam called us out to think he's a better
trash talker. Let's listen to what Cam had to say.
Speaker 7 (24:42):
But when it comes to putting these nouns and verbs
you know what I'm saying, putting it together.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
It comes down to just being witty.
Speaker 6 (24:51):
You did know what I'm saying.
Speaker 7 (24:53):
Yeah, I'm trying to tell your piggy sometimes you got
to punch your toes east and west to let everybody
know who's that actual dads And I know, disrespect to unc.
Speaker 6 (25:04):
Uncle Shay and uh Chad Chadwick Johnson huh, But they
would have hated me because I'm gonna get personal. You
feel me saying, oh, yeah, we.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Got to do that.
Speaker 6 (25:21):
I don't fight fair, I don't talk fair, but it's
some truth behind everything that I say.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
And that's where I'm willing to go. Man, I say
some try to make your kids hate me.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
You see you see that. See he's he's talking trash,
trying to get under someone's skin. That's not the type
of trash talk I did. I talked trash in an
entertainment value way for fun, to have fun, to let
you know we gonna compete. See that's just talking. I wented.
I took it the extra mile. Do people not realize
(25:55):
the week before a game, I FedEx the secondaries. Yes,
as a small way to taunt in a certain way.
Nothing malicious but to have fun.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
That was a total of your appreciation.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
Exactly, to let you know, I'm thinking to you, D'Angelo. Oh,
I send them boys in Atlanta, send them gifts. You know,
obviously we know what I did for the Steelers. I
had had a I had a sponsorship with degree the odorant.
I send the Ravens secondary. I send them degree degree
degreedy odorant, you know, as a gift. Because y'all stink.
(26:33):
You're gonna be stinking when I'm done with you.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
That's all.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
That's all fun and love, and you know before it gainst.
So that's it's his type of trash talking. What I'm
what I'm doing is completely two different side sides of
the spectrum. But I respect what he did, but he
is nothing, not even close. We're not in the same
stratosphere when it comes to talk of trash.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Because for me, like I said, I went to an
agbc U. Come on that, that's all. I don't know
who's out there listening that has been to an HBCU.
But if you kin't jone, you ain't gonna surbid. You
can't surbid.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
You ain't gonna survive.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
I mean, and me, I'm hey, y'all. Y'all, y'all heard
me going back and forth. I'm talking about we just
if this ain't no you know A. I don't know
who I'm gonna talk trash to.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
In the game.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
It all depends on who starts talking trash back or
who started first. I'm gonna get it started. You know,
I'm gonna say something, and I'm gonna see I will
keep going until I hey, I'm gonna turn the door
handle to see which one's open, cause a lot of
them be locked. Don't yoke, They ain't gonna say nothing
to you, but I would keep ay. Everybody don't lock
their doors at night, you know what I'm saying, and
somebody run down on you because you don't. Used to
(27:42):
be in the seventies and earliest, the seventies and eighty,
you can sleep with your door open, let alone locked.
But now people get crazy after dark. You gotta keep
your hand on your thing. So with that being said,
everybody locking the doors, but not everybody. Somebody gonna forget
because they thought somebody else locked the door. Oh that's
what I turned the handling and be going on in. Yeah,
(28:02):
but Cam, look, I know you good, I know you good.
And putting things together. You know, adverbs and predicates and
pro nouns and adjectives.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Mm hmm. Oh no.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
But when it comes when it comes a when it
comes to lips barring, Yeah, I'm talking about a just ay,
just go yeah, talk.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
Toy Monk Hey and Cam. That's another thing you worried about.
Who's a better trash talker? Yeah, need to be practicing Madden.
That's what you need to be practicing Madden. Because I'm
still waiting on that snow all that talking you're doing.
And matter of fact, I got the new Madden already.
I got Madden twenty six, so by the.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
Time, so when he get it, you're gonna be proficionated.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
Matter of fact.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
The funny thing about it is I am the best gamer.
I'm the best Madden player in the world. I have
an advantage over everyone else because I'm a part of
the production of the game in itself. So the fact
that people think they can beat me, it's almost laughable.
Your Cam, Cam and Dads, Brian, I love them fellas.
They played for recreation. I play video games as a
(29:07):
way of life. It's how I pay my bills. That's
why I don't understand when they come at me talk
about beat me in a video game.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
What you talk about? My life's getting cut off if
I'm playing for bills.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
You think you think I'm anna miss my light, bill
and my mortgage because you think you're gonna beat me
and matt Man.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Well, my light's getting cut off. I ain't got you know,
I ain't got no got no censery, heating and cooler.
Because if I gotta play video games to pay bills, no,
I mean the only thing I probably could. I probably
can't even play Oh Joe, I probably. I mean I
think I played like I used to play, Miss pac Man,
(29:44):
play Josh or something like that. But I was, I mean,
we ain't have no video I mean we could. We
could go to the arcades, we get a couple of quarters,
or we go my sister, we go wash clothes, and
they would have some video games or pool table.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Or something like that. But I was.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
No now shooting pool now, oh you know how to shoot?
I beat eras beat Minnesota fast. They called me slim,
Willie Masconey, Steve Misserwright. Hey, I don't know about that, Bill, Vivian. Uh,
(30:19):
you got to show me you got in the house.
You got to show me that's in the house with you.
You got to show me, because pool is what I do.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Huh, the pool is what I do.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
They listen. You know what they used to call me.
I used to play at the pool hall right on
fifty fourth Street, right off right off the tenth twelfth Avenue.
They used to call me sugar cane. Come my pool stick.
My pool stick looked like sugar cane.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
It was green. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
If you think you could beat me, but you can't
beat Slim. You can't beat Georgia Slim.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
Don't do it to yourself.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
Please, you can't beat I beat Fats. I beat Minnesota Fats.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
Come on, man, ask about me out here in the city. Man.
When it comes to hey, listen, when it comes to
the pool, pool table, when it comes to ping pong,
I beat the That's what I do. When it comes to.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Handball, that'sht of you and table tennis.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
B But listen what boy I told you. They called
me sugar cane.
Speaker 4 (31:22):
I had I had. I had a green pool stick.
They called me.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Trying to catch you one day. I'm gonna catch you
one day somewhere, and they're gonna have a pool table
in there.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
They have a table. They have a table tennis and
thing in there.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
Oh wait, wait, wait, you ain't got to catch me
nowhere because I come with you at and we can
go to a pool hall because we got plenty of them.
I bet you ain't got your own stick, my stick
right here?
Speaker 1 (31:48):
Oh Yoe, I beat you with a broomstick. I don't
even know they have a pool for you to beat you.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
You ain't, No, you ain't, no real you ain't no
real pool players. Hey, hey, I'm a shock man. They
called me when they called me when somebody at the
pool hall that think they're good.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
I'll let you win a couple of games. The let
you bet the money, then I come in there.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
No, come on, man, tighten up.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
This is OJOE.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
While we all wait, there's some people that have some
words for you for me. Chris Carter had some words
for Oyo last week. He said there were points, Oh yep,
he said there were points in Chad's career that you
had to go out there and tell him what to
do because he couldn't get over to save his life.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
He couldn't get.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
Over against average guys. Chad Johnson scored double digit touchdowns
one time. And it's eleven years. I think I scored
double digit touchdowns six times scored in the football is
the number one player at the receiver? No, I was
not a burner. I ran four to six for six five.
But can do it every single day, can do it
for four quarters and it consistent at it?
Speaker 1 (32:46):
O Jo, you know what that get? Child? Please? I
don't know what. I don't. I'm just.
Speaker 4 (32:59):
I have a question before you even go, what the
hell does that matter?
Speaker 1 (33:05):
What? What? What? What? What does it matter?
Speaker 3 (33:07):
Okay, you scored double d touchdowns?
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Okay?
Speaker 6 (33:09):
Cool?
Speaker 3 (33:10):
You want to cook it?
Speaker 1 (33:12):
Right? Okay, you had a conversation? Have you have? You
have you had a conversation with CC?
Speaker 3 (33:21):
No, I don't ain't no, I don't need to have
a question, so right. I heard Also he said, well
he only had double digit touchdowns one season, so he's
not a Hall of Famer. But does that mean Julio
Jones not a Hall of Famer either? Because Julio Jones
only had double d touchdowns one season?
Speaker 1 (33:36):
You have you have dumb?
Speaker 3 (33:37):
You had dumbn that sounds yeah. Sometimes I listen to
things and and and everyone's situation is different, you know,
everyone's situation different. I mean, so stuff like that. I
paid no mind because everything is predicated off numbers and
based on what they did, based on.
Speaker 4 (33:53):
Other people's situations were different.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
You know.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
Obviously where I was, I did the best I could,
but the cards I was dealt and I did one
hell of a goddamn job. I don't I don't care
about what you did. I don't care about your numbers.
It don't make it, don't make me none. Why is
my name even being brought up?
Speaker 1 (34:11):
That's what I was. That's what I'm trying to figure out.
I don't know why it was brought up.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
I don't cause, like I said, O yo me, I
don't really listen to anybody else's podcast.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
I got enough thing to try to, you know, to
try to.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
Make our podcast better than what it is, and I
got payche So I'm trying to get guessed and I'm
going with the booker's like, Okay, who do you think
we should get? Blah blah blah. So I don't really
have time to pay attention. But it just kept popping up,
not only on it kept popping up on Twitter, and
then I saw it on the internet and I'm like, okay,
what brought this about?
Speaker 1 (34:45):
I said, did o Joe say something about him or
what for one.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
You know, I don't talk about people.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
We definitely don't talk about people that do what we do.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
Never and you know I don't talk about nobody, you know.
But you know, congratulations and everything he said, and happy,
happy for you, Chris Cardy your double digit touchdowns and
and your Hall of Fame and all that other good stuff.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
I love you.
Speaker 4 (35:08):
I wish you content, continue success and whatever.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
It is you got going on. Baby, I know what
we're doing over here, though I know, I know, I know,
I know where I'm going. I'm going that way.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
He wanted. Maybe he wanted you to respond.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
I did respond. I just said I love him.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
No, but I'm saying I thought. I mean, I think
maybe he wanted you to respond in a different way.
Back and forth.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
I ain't got Look.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
I got first of all, you got kids, I got kids,
I got grand kids. I'm not finna go look what
we did we did.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
I can't.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
He can't go back and score no more touchdowns. You
can't go back and score no more touchdown. I can't
go back and scoring over touchdowns. We're out here, hey,
hold on, I'm.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
Still scoring touchdowns right now.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
Oh, man, Yes, you're doing great job.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
O man, I'm still scoring touchdowns in life, he tells
me he played. I don't care about that. I'm scoring
double double digit touchdowns right now. Come on, now, you're
not seeing You're not You're not hearing where I'm coming from.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
I hear what you said. I know, I know. But
that's my thing is that sometimes we get caught up
and talk about what we used to do. You know
what you're doing that.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
Talk to me what you're doing now?
Speaker 2 (36:23):
We were all great at once upon a time in
our own right. Okay, you know you did what you did.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
I think CC played sixteen seasons? Wait?
Speaker 3 (36:36):
How many?
Speaker 1 (36:36):
How many played sixteen?
Speaker 3 (36:38):
How many I played?
Speaker 1 (36:40):
I don't know. Hell you played? I think you played
level of twelve?
Speaker 3 (36:45):
Did you elevel?
Speaker 1 (36:45):
How many?
Speaker 3 (36:46):
Ay? I played eleven? He played sixteen?
Speaker 5 (36:48):
How many?
Speaker 3 (36:48):
How many yars you got?
Speaker 7 (36:52):
Man?
Speaker 1 (36:52):
Look here, I'm just I'm just asking. I'm just trying.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
I'm trying to get a better understand how many alls
you got?
Speaker 2 (36:58):
I don't ask ask how many yards does a CC have?
But okay, the chance said, CC snapped because he was
pissed at Ojo for saying that he could beat Travis
in a one on matchup ten out of ten times?
Speaker 1 (37:17):
Why is he bro We'd just be joking when we
say stuff, man, it ain't that sad.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
Oh he knew that.
Speaker 4 (37:23):
He knew that because I do the same thing with everybody.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
He just you do you? As somebody said, Ojo, can
you not challenge everybody that come on here?
Speaker 3 (37:31):
You everybody that come on here can get that work?
Speaker 2 (37:34):
He hit me and Travis tick below fourteen thousand yards.
He had thirteen thousand, eight hundred and ninety nine yards.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
So he played fifteen season sixteen, I think sixteen, and
he got well thirteen thousand.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
Yards almost fourteen thousand.
Speaker 3 (37:49):
Okay, so he plays fifteen sixteen, he only got three
thousand more yards than me and played five more season
I had eleven. I guess yeah, okay, okay, I'm just
trying to get a better understanding on Wow. Okay, cool anyway,
But like I was saying, anybody that come on this show, huh,
I had the utmost confidence in my ability and being
able to do any and everything. That's something that a
(38:11):
lot of people in this world lack. Even if you
feel you can't do it, you have to fear you can.
Because everything starts up here in the mind. So everybody
that comes up here regards to what sports they player,
whatever it is that they do, I feel I can
beat them. And if you feel, if you fear, you
can beat me doing at what you do best, whatever
it may be, you're gonna have to show me. You're
(38:34):
gonna have to show me. Matter of fact, Chris Carter.
I'll lock Chris Carter ass up right now. Talk about
what he did.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
Huh, he's sexty.
Speaker 3 (38:45):
What that means? He talking like he still got it.
Get out here, get on the field.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
Line it up.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
Put your pet on. I'll lock your ass up too.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
Here. Man, we got a pose, that's what we got.
So we breathe it.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
We walk in, we get up out of bed. We
had our right mind, blood running warm about veins.
Speaker 3 (39:01):
Wait a minute, Wait a minute, Wait a minute, wait
a minute. On. See, this is the thing about it.
One thing about the wide receiver camp, the workshop that
I just had, is I'm not just talking. I'm not
just saying what it should looked like. Uncle, I'm not
there with McLees and my shoes on what out there
running full speed.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
I still got it.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
You hit me. So it's one thing once you go
back in that structuring environment, you know, with the exit
and those and you have a receiver coach that actually
never played, never really played the game. They just know
the game based on paper and what it should look like. Yeah, like,
I'm not there running them routs with you. I'm not
only just I'm not telling you what it should look like.
I can actually display it and show you, boy, this
(39:38):
is this is Picasso.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
Yeah, I would say this. Look.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
I've known CC a long time. His brother and I
used to hang at the Super Bowls and stuff. I
would just say this, CC. No, when the man joke it,
it wasn't that serious.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
Now, CC, I love you, baby, But putting them clease on,
put them, please on. I'm gonna show you double digits touchdowns.
I put these two hands in your chest. Why you
wonna catch shit?
Speaker 2 (40:04):
Ben Roethlisberger felt compelled to recently weigh in on whether
he'd rather have Aaron Rodgers or Patrick Mahomes on his team. Well,
I would take Aaron and his prime over Patrick.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
Now.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
I think Aaron Rodgers prime was one of the few
to ever do it, and so Patrick is at his prime.
Patrick mahons is just entering just entering out of his prime,
I think, does Ben realize how does Ben realize how
utterly ridiculous he sounds?
Speaker 3 (40:28):
Yeah, yeah, But obviously you know he's gonna go He's
gonna go with it with someone long contemporary exactly, someone
a little closer to him. Despite the success, the early
success in such in an early career that Patrick Mahomes
has had. Obviously Ben knows how great Patt is. But
obviously Aaron Rodgers was special despite not being able to
(40:50):
have the number of Super Bowls, only having one. But
if you look at Aaron Rodgers numbers in his prime,
it's unbelievable. It's unbelievable, despite him not being able to
win the when the big games consistently, like Patrick Mahomes
is done.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
So I thought I thought that was the objective because
people make it seem like Aaron Rodgers did not have
good teams. Go back and look at the receivers that
he had, Go back and look at the receivers that
he had, and go back and look at do you
believe the last three Super Bowls Aaron Rodgers could have
got that that receivering group to the Super Bowl. Consider
(41:26):
he could only get to the Super Bowl one time
with Jordan Nelson, with Greg Jennings, with Donald Driver, with
James Jones, with Jamichael Friendly.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
So do you believe he could take that group that
Patrick Mahons took.
Speaker 2 (41:39):
He couldn't even get that man, couldn't be Jimmy Garoppolo.
But somehow he gonna get to and he gonna win
the Super Bowl. Yeah, I mean, the MVPs are impressive. Chat,
y'all know, I've been one of the biggest, one of
the loudest Aaron Rodgers fans. He's phenomenal. He was from nominal.
(42:01):
But the basic on Patrick Mahomes. Patrick Mahomes in twenty
one postseason games is seventeen and four, three Super Bowl wins.
Aaron Rodgers in twenty two postseason games is twelve and
ten with one Super Bowl win.
Speaker 1 (42:16):
Yeah, and look at the guys that he's lost to, right.
Speaker 2 (42:23):
Tom Brady beating twice, Joe Burrow beating and now Jalen
Hurst beating. Now, don't look at the guys that's beat
Aaron Rodgers in a playoff game.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
The matter of fact, the man got beat by Jimmy
G twice.
Speaker 3 (42:41):
Hold On, Jimmy G had a nice squadro run him
now he had a nice squad run him and all
Jimmy g had to do. Jimmy, don't mess it up.
I'll tell you what'll take the ball. Don't mess it up.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
Don't give Patrick Mahons. That's the game. Give Patrick.
Speaker 2 (42:55):
Okay, if I give Patrick Mahomes that squad, what you
think you think Aaron Rodgers beating Patrick? You be he
gonna bet Patrick Mahomes with that squad, Because you say,
Jimmy g.
Speaker 3 (43:03):
Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no, no no no.
You put Mahomes around any team, Yes, listen, Mahomes is
one of the few quarterbacks on You can put him
on any team and it elevates everyone else around him. Yes,
elevates everyone else around him because he's just that good,
not only physically. But he gonna beat you here too.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
Yes, I mean, bro, he beat Jay Cutler. Jay Cutler
got hurt and got on the station in their back.
He thought he was at a Tour de fronce, so
he didn't want to play football no more. He just
wanted to ride the stationary bike. Look, I mean, you
beat who you beat to get your the Super Bowl,
But I look, this has been Roethlisberger's opinion but I
(43:43):
vehemently disagree with this, Yeah, vehemently, And I think the
thing is he's basically on MVPs. He's based on MVP
and Aaron Rodgers has four. But look at those great
seasons that came out to be duds. See, the thing
is is that show can you do if you got
a great offense, can you get done? Can you score
(44:06):
a point when you need to? If your great defense?
Can you get a start with you need to? Can
you get off the field on third down? Can you
get your offense the ball back? Can you not let
him fip flip the field? You got him backed up?
Can you make him stay there and not flip the field?
Get the ball to midfield and then put it and
(44:26):
pin you down inside the five?
Speaker 1 (44:27):
Can you do that?
Speaker 2 (44:28):
Aaron Rodgers has four regular season MVPs, one Super Bowl,
a Super Bowl MVP. Patrick Mahomes has two Super Bowl
has two m vps, three Super Bowl MVPs. He's been
the five, right, and you're saying, now, let this seek in.
The man has already been the more super bowls, has
more regularly, has more postseason wins, has more post has
(44:50):
more MVPs, and he's not even thirty.
Speaker 3 (44:53):
Yeah, and I think it's more to it than that. Obviously,
we don't know what Ben is indicating why he picked
Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1 (45:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (45:00):
I want people not to forget how special Aaron Rodgers
was as well, he's said, and how gifted he was
as a quarterback.
Speaker 2 (45:09):
Oh, he's a physically football general. He and d are
talking about just pure throws of the football. Aaron Rodgers,
Dan Marino, take your pick. But this is what he said, Oh, Joe,
I think Aaron and his prime was one of the
top few to ever do it. And so Patrick at
his prime, Patrick Mahomes is just entering out of his prime.
(45:33):
So you so, in other words, he said Aaron was
one of the top to do it, but Patrick isn't
because what he said, that what he's saying, he said,
I think Aaron Rodgers in his prime was one of
the top to ever do it. So if by his
by his what his word said, if Patrick Mahomes is coming.
Speaker 1 (45:49):
Out of his prime, he wasn't one of the top
to ever do it.
Speaker 2 (45:53):
So from twenty three to thirty nine, he goes to
five Super Bowls, wins three, three m VP's two, a
regular season MVPs two five thousand yard seasons and a
fifty touchdown season. But he ain't one of the top
who will not one of the top you to ever
do it. Now you chat, do y'all see how utterly
ridiculous that sounds. Now, I hope we got this right.
(46:14):
Let's just make sure we got this right. Double check that.
Speaker 1 (46:17):
Well. I would take Aaron in his prime over Patrick. Now.
Speaker 2 (46:21):
I think Aaron Rodgers in his prime was one of
the top you to ever do it, and so is
Patrick at his prime. Patrick Mahomes is just entering out
of his prime. I think so he think Patrick Mahomes
is out of his prime.
Speaker 3 (46:35):
Now with Yo, Yeah, I don't know, but obviously Ben
being a quarterback that played with, not with, but against
Aaron Rodgers, I think that's where he's picking him instead
of instead of.
Speaker 2 (46:50):
Yeah, because I think I think Ben came in in
four and I think Aaron came in in five.
Speaker 1 (46:54):
So you know, you see that's kind of like right right, right, right,
right right, that's the eron. Yeah. I don't know about
that one.
Speaker 3 (47:06):
Yeah, yeah, I was just gonna say everyone everyone has
a preference, you know. Sometimes the goldpost move regards of
what the accolades and what someone has done, there's always
somebody else that they like better regardless.
Speaker 2 (47:20):
Uh, this is what Patrick Mahomes trainer had to say
to being not everybody quits working out at thirty men.
Speaker 3 (47:37):
He said that for real, Yeah, okay, that's my first
time here, that's my first time here.
Speaker 4 (47:42):
When the trainers talk trash, I like that.
Speaker 2 (47:44):
I like that, I think, I think, he commented, because
there was a somebody I think in the Kansas City
media talked about Patrick Mahomes and talk about his body
and look like he eat pizza and stuff like that.
I want my quarterback to look just like Patrick Mahomes.
I want my quarterback to look with the shirt off,
looked like Brady, looked like Peyton Manning.
Speaker 1 (48:02):
That's what I want my quarterback to look like. Mules.
Speaker 2 (48:05):
I don't want no muscles. I don't want no muscles
I wanted to have because I wouldn't to be able
to twist. I don't want him to just sprained straining,
no ableak. I don't want all that all that muscles
now the shoulder that that here, right.
Speaker 4 (48:18):
So basically, you want your quarterback to look have a Dad.
Speaker 1 (48:21):
Bard, that's what granddad is possible. He just kept over
with dad Granddad. I like it. I like it.
Speaker 2 (48:33):
Like I said, look, and that's not to take away
from Aaron because like I said, chat, y'all know me,
y'all saw me on the other show. I was and
I still think Aaron Rodgers is phenomenal. Is he is?
Speaker 1 (48:46):
He what he was was?
Speaker 2 (48:47):
No as we get older, as an athlete gets older,
where he could elevate everybody else, now he needs help
for him to elevate. Look at Tom. Tom he had
he couldn't get. He could was not gonna be able
to get those Patriots. Because now he goes to Tampa
and he got Godwin and he got Mike Evan, and
(49:09):
he get Gronk to come back, and he got some
other weapons and he got a solid offensive line. And
you see, but after that Super Bowl, you see Tom
threw for what five thousand yards, but it didn't have
the same ump to it. He didn't have the same
like those like he throw it for three hundred yards,
but the majority of the time they were playing from behind,
and so the three hundred yards didn't have the same pizazz,
(49:31):
They didn't have the same impact. Like I said, there's
no denying Aaron Rodgers in a top quarterback wherever you
want to place him. I don't think you can put
him in top five because he didn't win enough championship
to be top five, especially when you're talking about Brady
and you're talking about Manning and you're talking about Joe
(49:52):
Montana and you talk.
Speaker 1 (49:54):
About my homeboy. Just like, just that alone, just that
alone keeps him out.
Speaker 2 (49:59):
But I don't know if you can keep him out
of the top ten because those four regular season MVPs,
only Peyton Manning has more the touchdown the interception ratio.
Speaker 1 (50:11):
I don't know how you keep him out of the
top ten, right, don't.
Speaker 2 (50:15):
I'm surprised that he didn't make the seventy fifth Anniversary
team because you know, they tried. They didn't want to
load up in any one particular era. They can't say, well,
let's take all the guys from the modern era and
then we leave guys like Johnny Unanus or Otto Graham
or some of these.
Speaker 1 (50:33):
Other guys out.
Speaker 2 (50:35):
So you know, look, Joe, Peyton, and Tom those three
were going they're gonna be on this antifas versus Anna Ristine.
And then they took John, they took Marino. That's five
off the top of my head, I can't remember. I
think Johnny Uninus, I think he was there. I think
Otto Graham was there at seven. I don't like I said,
(50:56):
I don't really remember all of them, but I think,
you know, they tried to get a mixture. They didn't
want to load up and said, Okay, we're just gonna
take the receivers from because you know, you gotta take
Don Husson. Now you leave out you know, Charlie Hennigan,
you know, you know Jerry and Randy. For me, I
thought too deserved to be on the seventy fifth aniverse.
Speaker 3 (51:15):
Absolutely talk about top top top three, top two.
Speaker 2 (51:18):
You might not like your antiques and say, okay, he
killed the locker room. All I know is this that
man got the third or the fourth most touchdowns. Ever, well,
he got the third most touchdowns for a receiver.
Speaker 1 (51:31):
See.
Speaker 3 (51:31):
And that's the problem that that that's the problem that
I have is the people that have the power that
call the shots, that control everything on who's allowed to
be on this list, who's allowed to be in that
That's why that's why I don't I don't like the
politics that come with it. I don't like the politics,
but come with it. White, You think GOT don my
own jacket.
Speaker 1 (51:53):
White, you think I.
Speaker 3 (51:53):
Don my own jacks because I understood how it works.
And I'm not finna play that game because as far
as I'm discerned, I'm won. It's one thing I don't like,
and I'm going to just say this real quick. One
thing I don't like about former players that had great
careers and they know they've had great careers and they
have their numbers. I hate. I hate the almost begging
(52:14):
in the sense to be a part of something that
was created and you have to, you have to pander
to want to be in it. It's like being an
actor and knowing that you had great movies, that you've
had a great career doing movies, but you never want
to Oscar. That doesn't take away none of the work
that you've already done, that's set in stone.
Speaker 1 (52:32):
It doesn't because you know what I look at it.
I look at it like Denzel.
Speaker 2 (52:37):
Denzel is one he won for Glory supporting role and
then he wanted a lead role for Training Day. But
if Denzel didn't win any awards, does that make me
think that Denzel isn't a great actor? Absolutely not, Yes,
because I saw him in Cry Freedom, playing bad too,
Stephen Beko, come on, I saw him playing Ruben Hurricane.
I saw him in Hurricane. I saw him play Malcolm X.
(53:00):
Saw it with my own two eyes.
Speaker 3 (53:02):
Yes, sir, hold on, I'm gonna add to that. I
saw him live in New York.
Speaker 4 (53:08):
Play Old Fellow, Yes and never forget a line.
Speaker 1 (53:12):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (53:13):
I think he was encouraged. Was he encouraged under Fire
with uh, what's the guy name? The guy passed away recently?
Under I mean it's sad that he and his wife
was dead for years.
Speaker 3 (53:26):
Geene Hackman, Jean had Okay, yeah, yeah, Jean Jean.
Speaker 2 (53:29):
But I courage under Fire. I saw him in the
Pelican Breathe I saw I saw him in and uh
inside inside man, I saw him. So even even if
he didn't win up award end an award, I seen
enough of him to know what greatness is.
Speaker 3 (53:50):
Absolutely And I just don't like the need for validation
because they put Hall of Fame, well, if you're not
a part of this, then what you've done is not valid.
Speaker 4 (54:04):
When that's just not the case for so many.
Speaker 3 (54:06):
It's okay, it's okay to have a great understanding, to
be an actor, to be a football player, you know,
or or or to be an artist.
Speaker 1 (54:14):
To be a musician. You know.
Speaker 3 (54:16):
Sometimes as great as you are, they don't see you
as that. And it's okay. It doesn't take away the
fact when the body of work that you put in.
Speaker 2 (54:28):
He was in a Courage under Fire. What was that
movie where he was at with Gene Hackman about the submarine.
Speaker 3 (54:35):
Crimson Tie Crimson, Yes, yes, yeah, he played that listed Denzel.
Denzel has unbelievable range.
Speaker 2 (54:48):
Unyeah, Crimson Tide, I think with Crimson Tide with Regeneen
Courage under Fire. I think it was Meg Ryan. He
was in another movie, uh and Dakota Fanning where Uh?
Speaker 1 (55:00):
Proof of What is the Proof of life? What is
a movie called proof of Life?
Speaker 5 (55:05):
I don't I don't know that one.
Speaker 2 (55:12):
Saw him in All the Equalizers. I saw him in
Devil in Blue Dress, Harlem Blues when he was bleek.
He's flaying the trumpet. Man on Fire, That's what it was.
Speaker 4 (55:26):
You remember that on Joe Yes with Peter Man on
Fire with Pizza Mark Mark Anthony.
Speaker 1 (55:35):
Any more wishes I wish you had more time. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (55:44):
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