Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to US Circuit Court of Appeals rules that the NFL can be put on trial over civil claim Black coaches have been discriminated against, the Nevada Supreme Court has ruled in favor of Jon Gruden and New York Giants RB Tyrone Tracy joins!
04:30 - Brian Flores' Racial discrimination lawsuit against NFL
15:40 - Jon Gruden vs the NFL
17:25 - Ravens and Commanders cancel joint practices
25:29 - Tyrone Tracy Jr joins
50:05 - Jerry Jones
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In the chat, we have Tyrone Tracy Jr. And Dre
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London joining us in a bit. But first Ocho, Yeah,
the second US Court of Appeals in Manhattan ruled that
the NFL can be put on trial or civil claims
that Brian Florence and other black coaches faced discrimination. In
February of twenty twenty two, Florad sued the NFL and
several teams, said the league was ripe with this racism,
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particularly in its hiring and promotion of black coaches. Other
coaches later joined the lawsuit as plaintiffs. Ocho, I don't
know how close you follow this, but I've always felt
the way the NFL did business with this discipline was unfair.
And guy, if you've heard me from CBS, I was
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on their decade. I was with Fox for seven years
and you and I like to use this analogy, Oh Joe,
if I got a speeding ticket, I shouldn't have to
go appeal it to the chief of police because it
was his department that gave me the ticket. I've always
thought it was unfair the NFL hands down this punishment,
and if I want to go appeal it, guess who
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I'll appeal it to the commissioner or someone he appointed.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
How is that fair? It should be an independent body.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
That's why they have a court system, That's why they
have the post that they're two separate but equal entities.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Yes, sir so, I've always.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Felt this was a very, very unfair practice. They've always
been able to hide behind Article forty six. Yes, but
you gave commission and he's everything. He's everything. He's the jury,
he's the judge, he's everything. That is so so unfair,
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even if you have these broad latitudes of power. I've
always felt the commissioner should get out of the punishment business.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Let someone else handle that.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Let it be an independent body of the NFL and
the NFL PAH should have an independent body because you're
never everybody.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Feels they're going to get they're going to get an
unfair hearing.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
If I'm appealing to the head of the entity they
headed down the punishment.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
But this is this is the thing. Let's let's understand
the ecosystem and the power and the powers that be
when it comes to the NFL. Let's say, if it
does go to an independent body, do you understand even
with it being an independent, independent body, independent body, a
separate entity away from the NFL, do you know who
still controls the power? Do you know how they're going
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to be swayed still? Where justice is still not going
to be due even though it's a different entity. Do
you do you understand that? Understood understanding the power structure
that you're going up against, the chances of winning are
slim to none, whether it comes from the commissioner himself
or whether it's a different governing body. I do believe
I have a bet. Let me ask you a question.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
If I get a speeding ticket, do you think I
got a better chance of going to the court or
going to the Chief of police and having him hear that?
Because think about what happens when when when police officers
do something wrong. It's few and far between that their
own department I am Internal Affairs, or the governing body
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that represents the police, the union discipline them.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Yes, you're right.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
There's a greater chance that the court.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
And now you look, the court system has said, you know, hey, who.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
That any threat, be it real or perceived.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Let that sink in oo real or perceived.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Yes, you have to understand, and you know, well for
those that don't understand, maybe on the outside looking in,
even with this ruling now being able to be or
go to court.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Oh, they're gonna appel it now.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Even if they appeal it, you understand the animal and
the power structure. Of course you're going up against the machine.
I have a question, Yes, in the history, in the
history of law in general, how many times have the people,
even those that have been discriminated against, even those who
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serve right and.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
Deserve justice, how many times have the machine laws? It
doesn't happen often, but you can't get deterred. Just imagine
if doctor King would have gotten disturbed, are deterred?
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Where all those.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
People that marched in the fifties and the sixties had
gotten deterred rolls apart, if she had said, you know what,
ain't nothing gonna change, So let me just go ahead
and give my feet up.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
You know what. I'm glad. I'm glad you just said that. Right,
I'm glad you just said that. So everything we've been
through in the fifties, right, the sixties, all those that sacrifice, Yes,
we had one that sacrificed even recently, Brother Kaepernick, take me, yes,
standing for something. Yes, I have a question for you. Yes,
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has anything changed since then?
Speaker 2 (09:24):
In the NFL?
Speaker 3 (09:25):
No? No, no, not not the NFL in general. Yes, with
everyone you just named with fifty sixties, seventies, eighties, Yes, happening.
Has anything changed.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Yet it doesn't seem like it. Oh Joe.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
It seems like if we take a step forward, we
take a couple of steps back.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Okay, But if you talk to me, think about your grandparents.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Yes, then your parents within that same situation, and you said,
ain't nothing changed over your minds would just stay in
the same liberty city, do what they did and not try,
my damnness to improve the situation.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Now where would we be we try, they are damage
to improve the situations.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Right, that's what you can do.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
Talk to way, let me stay with me real quick. Now,
there was a time in the fifties in the sixties
where they were able to wear their hoods. Huh, yes,
daylight in broad daylight clear because it was accepted. So
now they've gone away from that part. So the hoods
are gone. Yes, Now they wear roads. Now they hold levels.
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Now have they have suits and ties on? Now they
have pis of power to where Okay, it seems like
things that change or things may be different, but it
really hasn't because now they're just in positions of power
and controlling everything, and that's what they do, and that's
that's what the system is to me. It's all about
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understanding the system and being able to fight it. Being
able to fight and understanding that I'm going to do
all I can to try and improve the situations around me.
It makes some type of impact. But the way ecosystem
is built in general, the way it's structured, it's built
for you is never to win, but you have. They
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would never allow us to ever get in position to
be able to make that change. And the ones who
do that look like us that happen to get them
and wear the suit ties too. You got to play
by their rules.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
But see what you did. You see what you're said.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
When we get a chance to get in that position,
do we lift someone up or do we kick the ladder?
And says I'm up on the top of the roof now,
so I'm good.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
I'm here. I don't want nobody to look like you
to join me up here.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
They say one more time, though, listen to what I said.
When they do allow you and put you in positions
of power, you have to play their game by their rules.
That's why they even letting you get in that position
to begin with.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
Sometimes that's correct, but you have to look at oho
think about a system that's been in place for as
long as it's had. You think you're going to dismantle
a system that's been into place for four hundred years
in thirty.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
Years, I know, I know one thing, that system that's
been in place for how long it's been in If
they allow you to be in that position of power,
you better play by their rules, and there's an understanding
that you have to do that in order to be there.
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But I mean that this is this is a great topic.
You know, I'm not wanting to really talk about policy
and stuff like that, but I can go. I can
go now.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
But I love I love the fact this is nah
because they said because if you go back and look
at the ruling.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
You said, the judge like, ain't no chance that this is.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Fair, no circumstance at all.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Even if he were to appoint someone, it's still him.
So you like, an arbitrator that he appointed is going
to rule against the man that appointed it. Right, you're right,
make it makes sense. Now you're right again. We go back.
I got the speeding ticket, and I'm going to the
I go to the chief of police. Okay, well, guess
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what the chief is not going to hear. We're gonna
give it to the corporal. He'll hear it. He's still no, no, no, no, no.
It needs to be a separate body. That's why the
police they do what they do, and then guess what
your job is done.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
We go into court.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Yeah, and now we have a whole different body with
twelve men and women that's gonna determine it, right, Yeah,
because if it was left up to the police, they
would have one hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Yeah, one hundred percent.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
Absolutely absolutely, But just in this case what happened with
brother brother flore Is and other coaches that look like
us minorities for that matter. I love that they're standing
on Bennison General and they're gonna get to in court.
But I also do understand the other dynamic of it
and understanding who you're fighting against. Yeah, oh, they got
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a lot of money. You can throw a lot of Look,
the funny thing about it is the thing about it
is not even about the money. It's the power in
which they can sway any ruling to make sure they're
not at fall because that fight that they're fighting about,
it's still going on today with opportunities not being given
to certain individuals that look a certain way. Nothing has
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changed also when it comes to the quarterback position, that's
still prevalent in today's game as well. Yeah, But the
thing is, I don't want to dive deep in and
go into it and going in depth. But there's so
many different layers I can peel back right that I
choose not to do. But listen, only a blind man,
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Only a blind man when I understand what I'm talking about.
Not only the man that choose not to understand what
you're talking about, those that can see and don't know
and are gonna play maybe naive advocate, Yeah, and dumb
to the situation when the facts are clear as day
that you can see, Come on nine, let's not do that.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
But uh hey, the man gets to have his day
in court and we'll see what happens and then you know,
you go from there. But I can assure you they're
going to appeal this. The Battle Supreme Court has ruled
in favor of former Head Raiders head coach John Gruden
and his appeal against the NFL.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Ruden will get discovery and a day in court.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
A legend that Commissioner Roger Goodell and the NFL improperly
leaked his email leading to his firing.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Yeah and a hey, now that's that's another one that's
going to be interesting. That's another one that's going to
be interesting.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Well, you can't. You can't appeal.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Now, they might appeal this to the Supreme Court, right,
they might Supreme because the bat of Supreme Court say naw, no, no, no,
he gets discord, he gets discossed because oh Joe, yeah,
I realized it's seventy million dollars at stake.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
He had a ten year, a hundred million dollars deal.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
They fired him.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, Well that's guaranteed though, you know
when coaches getting when coach.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
They didn't pay him because they cause he got fired
for calls.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
So they're probable cause and getting fired and that that's
like a player getting in trouble, conduct him into the team.
We can take that money back. Okay, I didn't know
that part. Yes, I didn't know that part. Okay, okay.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
So would I be surprised if if if they went
all the way to the Supreme Court, Yes, absolutely would not.
The NFL doesn't like to take Al's right because remember,
you take one, then everybody else feel like we got
in vulnerable, we got it. We we can we can
jump on, do we Hey all it Look how big
the giraffe feels. All it take is for one lion. Yeah,
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the weigh him down and then here come the rest
everybody else. Yes, that's how they get the unless they
kept it. Catch it napping. Every once in a while
they'll catch hi nap. Catch one napping, you know, let
it to getting too late to day and he's still
rested and they catch him. But for the most part,
one of those big males jump on his back. Yeah,
it's a rout that's four hundred pounds and he's like, hey,
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he can't support that, and here it comes.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
But look.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
The NFL, they've made it. The bury up under leclear
in the UH. The appellate court against Brian Floor is
the're gonna appeal. I can see them appealing this all
the way to the Supreme Court.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
He's still the defensive coordinator in Minnesota, Minnesota.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
He absolutely lives.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
After another joint practice fight between the Ravens and the Commanders,
the Ravens issued this statement, recognizing the logistical challenges with
our team's previous game schedule on different days and the
added strain on players heading into a short week. The
Raven and Commanders are mutually agreed to no longer hold
joint practices next week. Instead, we'll concentrate on preparing for
the upcoming preseason matchup.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Ocho.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
Yeah damn yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
I like it. I like it.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
I mean it's cool, but at times you get tired
of going against yourself. At times get you get tired
of going against yourself. The funny thing about it is
the joint practices. They're going to be scuffles. There have
been scuffles in every joint practice every season back the
date when I was playing. I'm sure they were scuffles.
Oh you said you guys didn't have joint practices, but
we did.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
No, we did, we did, Oh you did.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Oh. But if it won a joint practice, hell, you'll
be scuffling against each other. Get it all out your
system now. One thing we haven't seen in a very
long time, except a few instances, is us as players
actually fighting.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
In a game.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
Now, hell, now that cost your money. You're a few
instances they don't play. I remember one time I can
only count three. I can't remember the receiver's name. Chad,
you could probably help me out. The receiver who got
upset at CJ. CJ. Gardner Johnson that play, yes, yes,
and then like when the play was over, got the
receiver and then I remember Odell and Josh Norman. Yes,
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now that that was. And the most prevalent and consistent
of battles was Mike Evans and Marshaun Lattimore. I think
Steve Steve Smith got into it with a few people
back and forth with nothing that really came to blows
like the ones I just mentioned and I cannot forget.
And Jalen Ramsey and Andrejohnson yeah, and Courtland Corlan Finnigan
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and Classic a team, Khalid a team he said, a heap,
a key to lead, and Michael Krabtree. Outside of that,
I mean, that's it. It happens very very very very
very It didn't happen often, but it does happen normally.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
But there was a culminate, there's a build up to it. Yeah,
this is something that happens over years. Yes, it ain't
just one game. It's a history, is a pattern, and
it's like, okay, enough is enough because Dre told us
he's like, man, he had been doing this stuff for
some years. Yeah, and it just built up and it's
just that day like, you know what, I fin to
put my foot down. Actually, I'm finn to put my
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foot in his ass. And so it was a build up.
But you know, when you enjoyed practice, you got close
proximity because when you fly in, you got flying the
BWI Baltimore Washington International Airport. It's fifty sixty miles, right
if that, So you know the close proximity. You know,
YadA YadA, YadA. Everybody say were the toughest, we the baddest,
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and we get it. I just for me, I didn't
have that kind of time because I was exerting all
my energy in practice. I ain't got time to be fighting. Look, hey,
are we doing this? We're doing it snap the whistle
or snap it after the whistle. I just need to
know so that way I'm clear on how you play it,
so I can play just like that. And I ay,
we're not finna do no shoving or so how we
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do it? Are we protecting each other? Am I gonna
throw your ass over the pile of what we do it?
I just need to know, because I can do it
any kind of way. I'm gonna make sure you're not
the one thing he Karma's got a lot better. Karma
used to take years. Sometimes karma instant. Oh yeah, most definitely,
Like INMSTACR. You know, just like dang, I don't know
how I'm gonna get this. I gotta go to the
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grocery store. You can alreader now you can emstacar and stuff.
I guess, oh yeah, and they'll bring you exactly what now.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
Sometimes they bring.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
It to you.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
Yeah, most definitely.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
But uh so, I guess I guess the Ravens and
and and and and the uh the commanders, they had
a joint they were having joint practice.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
They've just been fighting. Huh damn.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
Yeah. I saw some footage on Twitter today where it
was a big scuffle. I'm I'm assuming they use something
maybe from last year, because I haven't seen any scuffles
of recent. But I mean, listen, it's smaller than the coaches.
You know, prepare for the game.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Prepare for because the last thing you want to do
is get somebody hurt. Hurt.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
Yeah, most definitely, most definitely you.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Get somebody hurt because then somebody get hurt and it's
a key player. Oh, ain't gonna be no more practicing
at all, because we fight every snap.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Were fighting.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
Yeah, I like it.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
You know, look, I get it because a lot of
times because you know, we're doing nine on seven the
dbs and wide receivers doing one on one. Hey, who
winning y'all? Y'all got them maybe killing these foods down here.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
Yeah, And that's you know what I'm saying. He listen,
that's what we got from the Titans. Titans and Falcons
their joint practice, they going at it back and forth.
Because one Tennessee player said, Okay, they got us today,
but we're gonna get to ask tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Exactly. That's the mindset.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
At the end of the day. It's all about competing.
It's all about competing those that have already made the team.
You want to make sure you look good and be
able to put on a show in that joint practice
to let him know I'm still him, whoever it is,
and if you're not him, I'm trying to make a
name for myself right here until I get to do
it on Sundays at one o'clock.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
If I'm not him, I'm trying to be him. But
in the meantime, o Jo, you're talking about, we're gonna
get to ask back tomorrow. Ohch ain't trying to hear that.
He gonna curse me out for the next two hours
in meeting, right right, right right, So I got to
hear his mouth. First of all, I had to hear
your mouth. How y'all did us at on the practice field?
And then I gotta go to meetings. Gonna get it
from Mike. I'm gonna get it from the O C.
I'm gonna get it from my position.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Coach. No, bro, you're not gonna do that.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
And now, at one point in time, now we might
get as a team because I can't control everybody.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
I'm just one of a level.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
But when it comes to my one on want match up, coach,
are gonna do pat me on my back and say
good job, sir.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
I need that.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
I promise you that I need that. Listen, they love
Coach're gonna be a your Code're gonna be needy. Go
have foots in your butt that's not mine. Absolutely listen.
They call it a team game. Huh, Yes, they call
it a team game. They say it functions well. It
functions well when you play as a team. But to
realize is when.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
You break it down, all it is is eleven.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
Players, eleven individual matchups eleven individual matchups, and when each
one of you win that matchup, it works, wonders, It
works wonders.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
But the funny thing about it is sometimes there are
weaknesses in that eleven week to week. There's always a
weakness somewhere. Yes, so coaches, that's what coaches come to play.
I know what this player does well, I know what
he doesn't do well. It's a chess match between coordinators
on Sundays. How do I hide the weaknesses and put
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certain players in position to make plays?
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Right?
Speaker 3 (24:00):
But it's great even even even and.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Joint practice is scripted because they want to look at
certain they want to sack, look at certain formations against
certain defenses. You want to see certain defenses against certain formations.
So everybody's trying to do everybody a favor. Now we
don't go Okay, a nine o seven, A good solid
thud pad on pad, square up, all right, just tell
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this met me know, Hey, you going across the middle. Hey,
guys gonna put pads on you and they're not gonna
take you to the ground, but be prepared for a collision.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
Yeah, get yourself used.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Okay, I'm cool with that now.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
If they done told us one thing, and all of
a sudden, you want to be a hero. Okay, don't
worry about it. I'll get you back.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Yeah, it changes everything, you.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
Damn right, it does because you're not gonna get me.
And then you go over to.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Your sidelines and slap hand and slap high fives. Don't
worry about it, don't. Don't you worry about it, don't, Joe,
don't worry. Nah my bad? Nah no no, because you.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Guess what you said, my bad? He said my bad.
That's one too many of my bad. You get one,
you don't get two, three or four?
Speaker 3 (25:10):
Absolutely, absolutely, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
All right, guys.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
Joining us, joining us in the chat right now is
the New York Giants running back. Last season as a rookie,
he ran one hundred and ninety two times eight hundred
and thirty nine yards five tds, and he's back. Tyrone
Tracy Julior. What's bro?
Speaker 5 (25:32):
Know?
Speaker 3 (25:32):
What's good man?
Speaker 2 (25:33):
How you doing? Man?
Speaker 3 (25:34):
I do it? Great?
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Man? How are you go?
Speaker 3 (25:37):
I'm gonna call you T T. I'm gonna call you
T T because I feel like appreciate that man.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
We feel what they call you. You want to be called
T T.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
T T Trace You know TTJ.
Speaker 5 (25:46):
You know, man, don't call me Tracy.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
Don't call me Tracy. I want to do that. So
I have a question. First off, My first question is
how is training camp going so far? How your legs
holding up? And have you hit that? Yeah? Have you
hit that? Training camp? Well? All yet?
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (26:02):
I mean I ain't go alloted to day. They've been
taking care of us, to be honest, like he's been.
He's been doing a good job making sure that like
you know, we putting it in work. But it also
like you know, giving us a bowling, you know, here
and there and making sure you know, uh, you know,
off days, we're taking care of you know, the recovery
aspect of everything.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
But I'm good, you know, camping good.
Speaker 5 (26:21):
Everything been good. The valves in the locker room is high.
You got new faces in the locker room, so everything
been smooth.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
Yeah, so hold on, hold on. I'm feeling good tonight.
But I'm fine to talk. But listen, I got I
got one more question. Your rookie season for our season,
five tests down, nine hundreds some yards on whatever, however
many carriage it was. I know you set goals for yourself,
you have to, but obviously as players going into a season,
you have personal goals as well, goals be if it's
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okay with you sharing it with us to night, Yeah,
some goals for this season. Yeah, I mean to be
honest with you.
Speaker 5 (26:54):
So my my personal goals as first and foremost, you
gotta win. I like, if you don't win, nothing else matters.
But obviously I want to do way better than I
did last year. Last year was really just you know,
obviously my first year in the league, Welcome to the league,
all that stuff.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
But now I feel more confident.
Speaker 5 (27:11):
I feel like, you know, I got the energy behind me,
but I also got you know, the trust behind me
as well from the coaching staff and my teammates to
go out there and play well. I want, you know,
fifty hundred yards. I want ten tons like I won't.
I want to be, you know, one of the running
backs that people talk about, Like, this is stuff I
pray for.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (27:30):
I feel like for me to say it in front
of you guys, but also like, you know, say it
to myself each and every day. You know, that's something
that you need to say. You know, the power of
life and death. Love than the tongue. So I got
to continue to speak life to my situation for each
and every person I'm around.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
You know what I'm saying. So, yeah, that's that's how.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
That's how.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
That's how I'm moving right now, like.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
That, speaking into existence. We were you and I were
just talking about.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Practice fights when you have you know, scrimmagers, joint joint
practice scrimmager.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
You know, they're a little skuff for yesterday. What what what?
Speaker 3 (28:06):
What?
Speaker 2 (28:06):
What? What popped out with you and Will McDonald.
Speaker 5 (28:11):
They don't really pop off, man, y'all y'all been there,
y'all been there.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
I can't get you know.
Speaker 5 (28:16):
It's high competition, you know, it's the best against the best.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
You you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
I had a good little run.
Speaker 5 (28:23):
He was just finishing the play and my office in
line didn't like that, right, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
So that's that's really what happened.
Speaker 5 (28:30):
You know, he threw me to the ground. My office
on line didn't like they had my back. Yeah, it
really wasn't nothing. It was nothing, crazy, man. You know,
we we seen worse. You know, y'all probably seen worst.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Two Yeah, this Brian Black because you're I was just talking, Okay,
when you have a joint practice. Okay, coaches go Overlook,
nine on seven is gonna be solid thuds. We're not
taking anybody to the ground, but there's gonna be some
thud going on. Okay in seven or A, A and
and team, they're not gonna take it to the ground,
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but it's gonna be some coalie. So just expect it.
So you go in with the mindset, Okay, this is
what it's gonna be, x Y and Z. I'm good
with it. I'm prepared. It's when you do something extra.
It's what because your coach had a conversation with our coach,
this is what they agreed to. Now when you step
outside of that scope, I got to check you.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (29:19):
Oh yeah, that's exactly what happened. To be honest with you. Yeah,
they told me. Like the coach Daves came to me personally.
He was like, yo, like we know it's tag off,
but just be prepared in between the tackle box.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Yeah, to hit you.
Speaker 5 (29:34):
So I'm like, okay, okay, cool, Like you know, I'm
cool with that. Like in between talk about you know,
that's ten yards. You know what I'm saying, They gonna
hit you. Okay, cool, But this happened. You know, I'm
about to go score. You know, he fifteen yards down
a line of scrimming like running. So that's really why,
you know, the scuffling started, just because like that that
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was that wasn't the rules. The rules is in between
a line of scrimmage, boom, you get fifteen yards you
can hit.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
But other than that, like you know, let me finish.
Speaker 5 (30:03):
My run because I'm just trying to do my job,
you know what I'm saying, finish off a run. But
you know, like I said, man, we just people have
my bag and they didn't like that.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
That's all.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
Yeah, that's dope. Hey Jackson, Jackson.
Speaker 5 (30:15):
Dart, Yeah, I knew you was going there. Yeah, y'all
was going to go there. But I knew one of
y'all was gonna go there.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
Listen, listen, I'm asking My question is is is Malie
Neighbors having a very very very very good year last year?
And I you him and Milite or Elite Neighbors has
the talent to be in the top five. Conversation we
talked about receivers, you know in the NFL. Yeah, how
is Jackson Dart looking so far as far as being
able to understand the offense, being in command of the
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offense and understanding like this is the chance that I
can be the future for the next decade for this team.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
Did you did you watch that last game? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah yeah yeahs a matter of fact, there were three
quarterbacks that looked really good because we didn't know what
we're going to get from. Jackson Dart was one of them.
The other George Sanders, and there was one more.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
Cam Jay also started he kicked it off the jams
dark and then the other guy finished it up.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
Yeah, but the small times we thought we saw from
Jackson Dart, they look good. He looked. He looked poor,
very good, very calm. Most of the time. Most of
the time rookie quarterbacks when that pressure, those lights are on,
they get happy feet. They rattled, you know, their technique
is like they just they rushed the ball. But he
looked really good. Nah he did.
Speaker 5 (31:30):
I mean, to be honest with you, ain't really nothing crazy.
You know he did out there. He do that stuff
every day in practice, to be honest with you, like,
that's that's just how all the good players that you're around,
the great players are around, they all do that stuff.
Every single day, so it's not like a surprise when
they do it on Sundays or Saturdays or whatever.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
So like, yeah, I mean, I feel.
Speaker 5 (31:50):
Like he's gonna he had the potential to be a
really good quarterback, right that he's taking everything.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
To his his his game to another level, to be honest.
Speaker 5 (32:02):
When he first got there, obviously it's a lot of
information going in. But now, like you can see that
he's he's settled down, like and yeah, yeah, yeah, oh yeah, he.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
Dialed in now, like you can see some.
Speaker 5 (32:12):
Of that college Jackson dark come out of him because
of how calm and relax he is in the game,
and like he's just out there hooping now he ain't,
he ain't thinking, he's just out there playing.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
That's that's the funny thing. When you get to a point,
regardless of what position you play, running back, especially the
quarterback position, because you have your plate and at the
table coming to the line of scrimmage. But when you
know everything and what everybody's doing around you and you're comfortable,
and you add comfortability with confidence, yeah, it's a done deal.
The game starts to slow down to you. When the
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game starts to slow down to you, you start to
look like some of the better quarterbacks in the NFL
that do it consistently with his key week the week.
I got one more question before you go. I'm feeling good, man.
I got questions for y'all too. Please tell me what
is it like be around Jameis crazy ass Winston in
the locker room? I just need one good Jameis Winston story.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
Please.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
Hey, he's fighting, man.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Have y'all been around him?
Speaker 3 (33:09):
Yeah? For short spurts in New Orleans? You know, Yeah,
But I wouldn't but every day, No, that would be
a joy.
Speaker 5 (33:18):
I ain't gonna a lot like what I see online
and on Instagram and all.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
These clips y'all see, is really like that, Like.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
I promise you.
Speaker 5 (33:28):
I promise you, like I have a million stories, like
I won't known the man for about five months now,
right right? He does crazy stuff every day, like every day,
like he does something crazy, Like I'll tell you this
one story. We had a UFC fighter come to our
practice and she gave him some gloves like sign him
and everything. Jamis comes in a locker room and starts
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like doing UFC like kicks and fights with the gloves on,
like he's really trying to fight people in the locker room,
like showing us how his kids and everything.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
Like I promise you.
Speaker 5 (34:02):
Like he is like I thought I was an outgoing
person until I met him. Like he's like literally one
of one, Like he's a great, great person.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
Like he's a very down to earth guy. Yeah, cool
as he that's dope.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
Yeah, That's kind of where I was going because I
wanted to know the difference between the personality between Russ
and because if you look at him that the personality are.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Very very different.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
But they're both very religious men, seem to be very
approached their business, go about the work, the task in hand,
and get the job done. What would you say was
it would be the biggest differences between Russ's personality and
Jamis's personality.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
That's a good question.
Speaker 5 (34:46):
I would probably say Jamis goes about his business more fluid.
I guess you can say Russ is more like not
really strict, but he just has a certain way of
doing things right. James is more like goofy, like he
is business, but like he also understands that, like you know, you.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
Have to have fun while do you have to have
fun while doing it?
Speaker 5 (35:10):
You know what I'm saying don't get me wrong, Russ
has fun, but like Russ is like on a certain path,
like he does stuff a certain way, and like I
don't know how he's like.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
He's not strict.
Speaker 5 (35:22):
He's not strict, but does he expects things to look
a certain way?
Speaker 2 (35:25):
Very disciplined.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
Yes, I if I was given an analogy, Uh, in
comparison to to the two, it's like watching Fresh Prince
and watching Will Smith and watching Carlton. Yes, yeah, that's
I see Russell Wilson as Carlton a sense, very serious,
very business oriented. You know, he can have fun when necessary.
And I see Jameis Winston's at Will Smith, you know,
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and the character in comparison to the two. Yeah, don't
get me.
Speaker 5 (35:53):
Wrong, they both are cool, like regardless of the situation.
But like I said, James is or goofy, like he's
there to like he's always gonna make you laugh, make
you feel good, Like even when things are like very tense,
he cracks a joke so like you feel good. Yeah,
he breaks the eyes so like no one you know,
feel like you know the coach is getting after you
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or whatever, Like he makes sure that like you understand that,
like at the end of the day, coaches gonna get
after you, but you got to move on, like the
next play is coming up, so you continue to And
Russ is the same way. Like. Russ is very like
I said, he's strict, but he has a certain way
of doing things, very disciplined, like first one in, last
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one out, Like every single day he has his routine
of what he does. And that's just who Russ is.
And if you've been around him, he handles himself like
professional like every single day. So yeah, they're both very
good leader, like you said, very both very religious men
like I really can't say enough good things about each
of them.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
Yeah, that's dope.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
You guys finished dead lass in red zone touchdown percentage.
You scored the second fewest points in the red zone and.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
That little that a little harsh, I mean got you
guys finished last and red zone.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
For after y'all finish second worst point scored, so that
I mean you did last the other way.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
Show.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
But Okay, when you come back on next year, what
are you going to do different to make sure you're
not in the same spot again.
Speaker 5 (37:20):
Man, To be honest with you, when we get down there,
we got to score three points is not enough and
get your beat.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
In this league, three points ain't enough.
Speaker 5 (37:29):
We gotta score touzz And I think that really starts
with O line obviously protecting the quarterback. Quarterback, you gotta
do your job, make better decisions. Get the ball to
your playmakers, running back, receivers, tight ends, get ball, get
them in the ball like that. I think that's the
easiest thing in the game. Get the ball to your teamaker,
let them go to work. And when your playmakers go
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to work, it makes the whole game easy.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
Where you come in at I didn't hear you mentioned.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
Let me say, run the ball.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
So you want to run? Okay, We're gonna run the ball. Okay.
Speaker 5 (38:01):
Wen, you.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
Got to put yourself in that description as a playmaker
because you know what you could be. Hell, you can
be the goddamn security blanket you could be. You want
to be one of the better running backs in the league. Right,
So you want to know when they game plan they
come into a game, Well, God damn, we gotta worry
about two people. We gotta worry about Malik Neighbors. Oh,
we gotta worry about t t You're coming defenses you
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in the backfield first or second down? All right, we
gotta drop the safety down in the goddamn box.
Speaker 5 (38:33):
They can't do that though they drive to save down,
We're gonna throw it over top boom boom.
Speaker 3 (38:38):
So if Malik going off boom, now we got Now
we gotta go too high. Yeah, it's time to.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
Work out of that too high exactly.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
But that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (38:48):
Like you, you're the body of playmakers that makes a
lot of things easy. Face off, offensive coordinator. We've got
a lot of good dudes in your locker room down
and they all want to win. Obviously, you got your
personal stuff that you want to do, but like if
you all just want to win, like, it makes a
lot of stuff easy, like because it's easier when you're winning.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
When you're losing, it's hard, man Like last year it was.
Speaker 5 (39:10):
It was hard last year just because like obviously you're
losing and we're trying to figure out why we're losing,
and then you know, you got.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
A whole bunch of stuff going on. So it was hard.
But it's way easier when you when you win. It
it's fun.
Speaker 5 (39:22):
It's fun to be around people, fun to be around coaches,
fun to be in the locker room.
Speaker 2 (39:26):
Everything, So fun to be out and about the city.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
Yeah, being able to show you especially listen, you're planning.
You're planning in the biggest market. You planning the biggest
market in the world. And when you win it in
that market, Oh, the newspapers are a joy to watch.
They had a lot, are joy to read. When you lose,
everything is magnified. You don't want to show your face.
You don't want to deal with the fans. Yeah, in
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the market of that magnitude. So man, listening, I'm hoping.
I'm hoping y'all do very very well. You know we will.
He did the vision you guys are in. It ain't
no slap. Oh yeah, no, I ain't no slap. We
ain't no slap either, though, we ain't no slap. Okay,
that what I'm talking about. That what I'm talking about.
That what I'm looking for right now.
Speaker 1 (40:11):
Okay, Hey have you always have you always been a
running back?
Speaker 2 (40:15):
Did you play any other position?
Speaker 3 (40:16):
Yeah? I was gonna say that earlier. Yeah, I was
a receiver, shoot my whole career, my whole college career. Really, yeah,
I was.
Speaker 5 (40:25):
I turned I turned a switch positions my last year
because of coach c He's a he's at the running
back coach at Purdue. Yeah, he came in from Miama, Ohio.
He looked at me and he was like, yeah, you're
gonna be a running back. And I know I've known
coach c for like my entire life, Like I know
him since I was like fifteen years old. But I
wanted to be a receiver. I was you know, I
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was watching I was watching you Oho, you know what
I'm saying, watching watching your fan, watching Tevon Dustin, Like
I was watching all these cats, you know, go crazy,
you know with the because.
Speaker 3 (40:56):
I was about what five I was about five ten,
one eighty. You know, I was a slot receiver.
Speaker 5 (41:01):
And then once I got to college, I gained some weight,
got about two hundred pounds, right, and they was like, yeah,
you gonna be running back.
Speaker 3 (41:09):
Yeah. So everything if you look at older let me
say that real quick, real quick.
Speaker 5 (41:15):
You look at everything, like from all my my stat line,
from my measurements, you know what I'm saying. Like I
was an average. I was an average receiver. But then
like you switching to running back, you know, now I'm
running a you know four four seven, that's that's a
fast running back. Good hands, I can run good routes
because I was a receiver. So that you look at
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everything that you know, you compare to the league today.
Now that's that's God. God really made all that happen.
Like I went through all that, that struggle and that
frustration and irritation, and then next thing, you know, like
all the blessings came out.
Speaker 3 (41:51):
You know, in twenty twenty five, it was it's crazy.
Well listen now that you just said that, boy, you
just you just woke me up a little bit. And
I want you to understand and the importance of not
only planned receiver at one point, but now playing running back.
You understand that's two things you can do very well
because you don't got to come out on third down. Yeah,
to come out on third down, So that puts you
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in the same category. You can get to this in
year two and continue to improve on it. But Christian McCaffrey,
great running back, what else can you do about the backfield?
Catch Ladani and Thomason out the backfield and catch no
so that that makes your three down back and that
adds value. You know what happened when you add value
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in another dynamic to your game that they can't take
away from you. It also adds dollar makes money. Hey, okay,
stay with me now, the more you can do.
Speaker 1 (42:43):
Well since you since you are running back official nodo.
Now give me your top five running backs of all time.
Speaker 6 (42:49):
A hole of all time, all time, all time? Okay,
herschel Walker, Uh, what do you know about big Dog?
Come on now, I actually watch this film. I ain't
gonna I actually watched.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
This film in college.
Speaker 3 (43:09):
Man. Oh yeah, I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go with man.
I ain't gonna a some there's some dogs.
Speaker 5 (43:17):
Yeah, there's some dogs. He talking about running backs. Emmitt Smith.
Gotta put him in there?
Speaker 3 (43:25):
Is this like is this like rankings or you just
like your Yeah, it's your preference. L. T.
Speaker 5 (43:36):
Dan Thompson, Yeah, I love I love his game, like,
I love how smooth he was. And I'm gonna play.
I'm gonna play Otis Anderson in there only because I've
watched his film personally, and I've seen I was playing
for the Giants.
Speaker 3 (43:55):
But I've also watched his film personally. I like the
way he played.
Speaker 1 (43:59):
He's a big ruithen back. He put that wind up on,
he put that wine up on.
Speaker 3 (44:02):
You Lynch.
Speaker 5 (44:05):
B Mo, Yeah, you gotta put mother at four and
then my last one. Uh, I'm gonna both bow big
bow Jackson.
Speaker 3 (44:18):
Yeah, okay, okay, that's that's a good.
Speaker 2 (44:20):
That's good.
Speaker 1 (44:21):
Five or six. I think he might have added one one.
I think you did, but.
Speaker 3 (44:28):
That was five. He can't you know, he getting old.
He can't know.
Speaker 1 (44:33):
You had You had herschel Walker, You had Emmy Smith,
Ladani and Thomlinson.
Speaker 3 (44:39):
Who else he had Jacksons, Anderson and Bo Jackson and
Bo Jackson.
Speaker 1 (44:43):
That's fine, you're right, you got man. You just you
just named guys. You just named guy that I saw you.
Speaker 3 (44:51):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
I was surprised.
Speaker 1 (44:54):
I thought you would go a little bit more modern man,
pol Barry Man. I ain't never seen somebody leave back
Sandels off the list, so.
Speaker 5 (45:04):
I was gonna put Barry and I put em in
in there. But all right, that just made me personally,
this is my personal person.
Speaker 3 (45:11):
Yeah, that's your mess. A matter of fact. You know,
you know who my favorite running backs are and it
is not the favorite. It's not the favorites. And I'm
not talking about all time. I'm talking about running styles
I like in general. But I'm like runners that are
very smooth with no hurky jerky movements and just they
get the ball and they just they just glide as
they run. Arian Foster.
Speaker 1 (45:34):
Yeah you hey, hey what about Wash'll Lynch? Hey is
he a running back that was a young man that
can't remember? Damn how you remember your plays?
Speaker 3 (45:43):
I did?
Speaker 2 (45:43):
I did say that.
Speaker 3 (45:44):
I did say that.
Speaker 2 (45:46):
Yeah, who told you? Producer told you that?
Speaker 3 (45:50):
Now?
Speaker 1 (45:51):
Hey, hey, oh Joe the running back like the quarterback, like, oh, okay,
that's the play we running right there?
Speaker 3 (45:56):
No fourteen, Okay, that's me. I ain't get my my
my three smoothest running backs of all time based on it,
we got running style, running stock. Okay. Four. I'm gonna
go with Eric Diggers the first. Okay, it's pretty just
pretty Arian Foster. Okay you see Arian Foster run. Yeah,
Priest homes the Priest and a man green.
Speaker 2 (46:19):
That's okay.
Speaker 5 (46:20):
One, that's a new one.
Speaker 3 (46:23):
The dudes ran so smooth and it's like they was
gliding and like you know how you see some running back,
it's like you know that strong they run strong, strong
dog them four This name right there, man was it
was beautiful.
Speaker 2 (46:38):
I played.
Speaker 1 (46:39):
I played with Priest one year, his last year in Baltimore.
I played with the priest.
Speaker 3 (46:42):
Yeah, man an a man green too.
Speaker 4 (46:45):
Oh my goodness, you're downhill mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (46:51):
In the West Coast System, if you look at the
backs of Arian Foster in the West Coast System, you
look at those guys like that, Terrell Davis is one
cut down.
Speaker 3 (47:00):
Hell.
Speaker 2 (47:00):
It ain't a whole hey, ain't a whole lot of
dancing moving.
Speaker 3 (47:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (47:04):
Hey, say that for Friday night when you're at the club,
but come Sunday when you're on the field, ain't no dancing.
Speaker 2 (47:09):
Get your hand downhill right right?
Speaker 1 (47:13):
Uh so what can we expect from T T So
you said fifteen hundred ten tons Pro Bowl?
Speaker 3 (47:24):
I mean, hey, I ain't the Pro Bowl.
Speaker 5 (47:26):
Like a fan vote is fans coaching.
Speaker 2 (47:30):
The players had a fan vote. Like the fans vote
count the count the most.
Speaker 1 (47:34):
I think it's fifty percent, and then players and coaches count.
Speaker 3 (47:38):
I need to ask you know, you can get all
these all these.
Speaker 5 (47:42):
Accolades and stuff, but like you know, I feel like
that fan vote.
Speaker 3 (47:46):
I think once you crack, once you crack it one time,
and especially for you, it'd be much easier because of
the market you play in. You know, the product is
products sell itself based on what you're playing. So if
you even get close to the numbers that you're talking
about getting as far as your goals for this season,
you would you would definitely make it. And once you're
in most of the time they think, oh it's a
(48:08):
it's a popular vote, regardless of whether the fans pick
it or not. Yeah, if you maintain yeah the weekend
from a from a from a stat's.
Speaker 5 (48:18):
Perspective, Yeah, oh yeah, okay, okay, but yeah, that's definitely
that's definitely on my on my on my list for sure.
Speaker 1 (48:27):
Where can the chat find you? On social media? Where
you on? Where are you on as on?
Speaker 2 (48:32):
I g.
Speaker 5 (48:33):
Oh sure on X or Twitter X it was just
tyro on Tracy and then on Instagram I am underscore
t t j X. I uh sure, both of y'all
very I need y'all to follow me too.
Speaker 3 (48:47):
Hey wait, Matte, I got one more question too before
you go. How do you feel about your Maden braiding
and and and do I need to change anything? I
think I think I think I'm like A. I think
I'm at seventy nine. I think what seventy nine? Yeah, yeah,
I think I think I'm not I'm not in your
(49:08):
rookie year. You might have been a seventy nine based
on what you did last year. I'm sure seventy nine.
Speaker 5 (49:14):
So so if it's not hiring a seventy nine, I
need to contact you.
Speaker 3 (49:18):
What I'm here, Hey, just just let me know, Just
let me know.
Speaker 2 (49:21):
Okay, No, we.
Speaker 1 (49:22):
Will contact us after the first month of the season.
Don't contact us after the first game, after the first
month of the season.
Speaker 2 (49:27):
Contact us first month.
Speaker 3 (49:29):
Okay, first, mom, I got you.
Speaker 2 (49:33):
Hey, Man, thanks for joining us, man Jr.
Speaker 3 (49:36):
Man, I really do.
Speaker 1 (49:37):
Hey, the number one thing always helped. You can't you
can't do anything if you're not healthy, you're not available
to your ball cup. So best of helped this season
and good luck, bro.
Speaker 2 (49:47):
All right, appreciate you, Love you, oh Joe.
Speaker 1 (49:55):
Jerry Jones continues to believe all the all publicity is
good publicity. Jerry said, I do believe that if we're
not being looked at, then I'll do my part to
get us looked at. The beautiful thing for networks or
if you were streaming companies, is that the NFL is
the three hundred and sixty five day year interest factory.
A lot of programming you have to spend as much
to promote as you do to make it. The cowboys
(50:18):
are soaproper three hundred and sixty five days a year.
When it gets slow, I'll stir it up, Oh Joe,
Jerry said, he be stirring the pot.
Speaker 3 (50:28):
Listen, man, everybody in the chat. Use I use this
this moniker, I use this phrase, I use this analogy
last night. I don't think Jerry Jones understands the product
that he owns and controls. Frank Lucas in American Gangster
he had Blue Magic hu Ya, the best product out
there in the business, in the world. You didn't have
(50:50):
to do anything to it because it's soul itself. Jerry,
Why you cut it up? You don't need to cut
it up any smaller pieces for the do what it's
gonna do without you in the picture. It's gonna sell
itself no matter what. The Cowboys will always be talked about,
whether you come out and say something or not, because
(51:12):
it's the Cowboys. I don't, I don't, I don't listen,
I don't. He's not in the business of winning. He
continues to show us that time and time again.
Speaker 2 (51:21):
In the business of making money everything.
Speaker 3 (51:23):
He's in the business of you said, he's in the
business of making money. He is great at that, and
and that's just what it is. I feel sorry for
the fans, you know, I feel sorry for the players
that are that that have to deal with that. You know,
you want to play for the Cowboys, you want to
play for America team. You got to start on a helmet.
But it's more of a circus than it is a
football team that want at the top. Success on any team,
(51:47):
it starts at the top. Yeah, it just trickers on down.
But if the circus starts at the top, what do
you think the product is gonna look like? Come on, man,
it don't got to be Sunday for me to preach.
Come on, man, you know.
Speaker 2 (52:03):
You know he look Jerry, but come on that.
Speaker 1 (52:07):
The Cowboys I think I just read today the Cowboys
are worth twelve point eight billion, the most expensive franchise,
not just North America, of all sports franchises, basketball, football, baseball,
these these soccer teams, o Euro all that nothing.
Speaker 2 (52:24):
If it's a sports.
Speaker 1 (52:25):
Club, sports franchise, nothing is more valuable than the Cowboys.
Speaker 3 (52:31):
Nothing. Hey, the man is in the business of making money,
that's it.
Speaker 1 (52:37):
I don't have a problem with that. But don't try
to discuis them talk about you care about winning, because
you don't know because you care about selling tickets. You
care about keeping interest in your team, not about winning.
Speaker 3 (52:51):
Actions speak loud in the words yeah, actions show otherwise.
And based on his actions, it lets us know I'm
in the business of lining my pockets and staying the
most profitable sports franchise in the world. That's it. And
then if he's okay with that, then so be it.
But he does set a precedent. Yeah, he sets the
(53:14):
president to the coaches, he sets the president to the players,
and the way he conducts himself when it comes to business.
But it is what it is. The Cowvi's America Seene.
Speaker 1 (53:26):
I heard Emmitt at this doctor series, yeah, the other
night when he was at Netflix, and he was talking about,
at some point in time, it comes down to the players,
because that's what we did, Emmitt. So who are who
I want to know? The Emmett Smith, the Michael Irvin.
Michael Irving was the leader of the team. And then
(53:46):
you had Haley, and you look at the guys that
you had, You had Jimmy, You had Jimmy, and then
y'all got d on. If you don't get d on
y'all not gonna be if he stayed in San Francisco.
As who win it San Francisco. He's flipped the ballance
of power. Yeah, y'all don't have the level of players.
(54:06):
I'm sorry you don't. You don't you look at you
Look at the defense that they had back.
Speaker 3 (54:13):
Then, Well boy reloaded, right.
Speaker 2 (54:17):
They were loaded.
Speaker 1 (54:19):
Look at that offensive line they had been easy, They
had Larry Allen, they had Nate Newton, I think they
still had step.
Speaker 2 (54:29):
I think two and they were still there. Man stopped down.
Speaker 1 (54:34):
Offensive line, y'all got Troy was probably one of the
most accurate quarterbacks, especially.
Speaker 2 (54:38):
For that time. Right.
Speaker 3 (54:43):
Different, different, But you got.
Speaker 1 (54:46):
To realize Jimmy wasn't doing all this talking back there
in either of them, jim Jimmy wasn't having that. That's
why he got Jimmy up out of there. He wasn't
doing all this talking. I don't know about you, Joe,
but out in the lead other in the league. And
I know it wasn't no twenty four hour news cycle.
But in press conference, they didn't have no midy, they
(55:07):
had no mice.
Speaker 3 (55:07):
In front of.
Speaker 1 (55:08):
Jimmy, I mean in front of Jerry. The mice went
in front of Jimmy and it drove Jerry crazy.
Speaker 3 (55:16):
Damn, that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (55:20):
But I agree with you. The Cowboys brand is so
strong you ain't gotta say nothing nothing. We're gonna talk
about it regardless.
Speaker 3 (55:31):
Yeah, outlets, analysts, podcasts, people on the street. I don't remember.
I don't.
Speaker 1 (55:39):
I don't remember you. Hey, you ever hear mister Craft
talk prior to the Super Bowl. I hear him talking
the AFC Championship game where he getting the trophy or
that too, and that that that when you getting the trophy,
So you normally getting trophy when he's talking. Yeah, yeah,
Jerry talking to himself talk talking. Man, I forgot what
my boys hurting like. I ain't been on no I
(55:59):
ain't been on no platform and got no trophy in
a long time.
Speaker 3 (56:02):
So you're with Denzel Washington said with that opinionaires he
know about the other you know he's Oh.
Speaker 2 (56:11):
He's talking about Jed Jared Jail.
Speaker 1 (56:13):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (56:13):
He said Jared about making money.
Speaker 3 (56:15):
That's it. That's it.
Speaker 2 (56:18):
I believe too.
Speaker 1 (56:19):
I believe you can do two things that I don't
believe they have to be mutually exclusive. I believe you
can make money and still win.
Speaker 3 (56:24):
Yeah, yeah, you can.
Speaker 1 (56:26):
The Patriots did it for twenty years. The Chiefs has
done it for about a decade.
Speaker 3 (56:30):
Now, right. But then you know his retort to what
you just said would be, well, they made money, they
won suos, but I'm still the most profitable franchise. Yeah,
would that much rather be number one in that area
if I can't be number one on the field.
Speaker 1 (56:47):
Well, the Cowboys, the Cowboys America's team when they didn't
have Jared Jones. So what is he talking about?
Speaker 3 (56:51):
M hm.
Speaker 1 (56:54):
He he didn't name him America's team. They didn't They
had this with the with the with the hole in
the top so God could watch his team. He didn't
do none of that, right, So this notion that he
created this, he didn't. All the teams have exponentially increased.
(57:17):
I mean, you could for what one year's salary what
a quarterback make, you could used to could be able
to buy franchise.
Speaker 2 (57:23):
Go back and look at some of these franchise what
they paid for.
Speaker 1 (57:27):
Now, that was I mean, that was a boatload of
money back then in the Earth seventies and you know, uh,
that was a that was a boatload of money. But
I'm just saying, and today you know they ten x
fifteen to twenty ex their money.
Speaker 3 (57:40):
Oh yeah, so.
Speaker 1 (57:44):
Jerry probably even fifty x to his money. But with
that being said, I don't believe that you have to
do all that. Jerry wasn't like this. Like I said,
Al Davis was his mentor. That's who taught him. He's
Al Davis. Al Davis has always been a maverick, always
did things his way. And you know he's like, I'm moving,
(58:06):
I'm going to l A. No you gotta get vote.
I ain't got to get nothing. It's my team.
Speaker 3 (58:10):
I bought it. I'm moving.
Speaker 1 (58:12):
And he sued the league to move and he sued.
He he just I'm going back to Oakland.
Speaker 3 (58:17):
No you're not.
Speaker 1 (58:17):
You got to know I'm going by I'm suing. And
that's how Jerry is. Jared like, nah, I'm not gonna
be a part. I'm gonna be a part of the
collective bargaining when it comes to me. Excuse me, I'm
gonna be a part of the revenue sharing when it
comes to TV. After that, I'm on my own. I'm
(58:38):
gonna do my own independent deals. He has a deal
with PEPSI, he has he has his own deals. Uh,
he has his own merchandising deal. He's like, no, I'll
do that revenue share when it comes to TV, but
other than that because I can do a better job
than you. Got no problem with that, but it's unfortunate
(59:03):
at the end of the day, Bro, Right now we
do it is talking. Yeah, you ain't collecting no trophies.
The mother, the mother five and that they lonely.
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In the chat, we have Tyrone Tracy Jr. And Dre
(04:15):
London joining us in a bit. But first Ocho, Yeah,
the second US Court of Appeals in Manhattan ruled that
the NFL can be put on trial or civil claims
that Brian Florence and other black coaches faced discrimination. In
February of twenty twenty two, Florad sued the NFL and
several teams, said the league was ripe with this racism,
(04:38):
particularly in its hiring and promotion of black coaches. Other
coaches later joined the lawsuit as plaintiffs. Ocho, I don't
know how close you follow this, but I've always felt
the way the NFL did business with this discipline was unfair.
And guy, if you've heard me from CBS, I was
(05:01):
on their decade. I was with Fox for seven years
and you and I like to use this analogy, Oh Joe,
if I got a speeding ticket, I shouldn't have to
go appeal it to the chief of police because it
was his department that gave me the ticket. I've always
thought it was unfair the NFL hands down this punishment,
and if I want to go appeal it, guess who
(05:22):
I'll appeal it to the commissioner or someone he appointed.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
How is that fair? It should be an independent body.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
That's why they have a court system, That's why they
have the post that they're two separate but equal entities.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Yes, sir so, I've always.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Felt this was a very, very unfair practice. They've always
been able to hide behind Article forty six. Yes, but
you gave commission and he's everything. He's everything. He's the jury,
he's the judge, he's everything. That is so so unfair,
(06:02):
even if you have these broad latitudes of power. I've
always felt the commissioner should get out of the punishment business.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Let someone else handle that.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Let it be an independent body of the NFL and
the NFL PAH should have an independent body because you're
never everybody.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Feels they're going to get they're going to get an
unfair hearing.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
If I'm appealing to the head of the entity they
headed down the punishment.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
But this is this is the thing. Let's let's understand
the ecosystem and the power and the powers that be
when it comes to the NFL. Let's say, if it
does go to an independent body, do you understand even
with it being an independent, independent body, independent body, a
separate entity away from the NFL, do you know who
still controls the power? Do you know how they're going
(06:53):
to be swayed still? Where justice is still not going
to be due even though it's a different entity. Do
you do you understand that? Understood understanding the power structure
that you're going up against, the chances of winning are
slim to none, whether it comes from the commissioner himself
or whether it's a different governing body. I do believe
I have a bet. Let me ask you a question.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
If I get a speeding ticket, do you think I
got a better chance of going to the court or
going to the Chief of police and having him hear that?
Because think about what happens when when when police officers
do something wrong. It's few and far between that their
own department I am Internal Affairs, or the governing body
(07:35):
that represents the police, the union discipline them.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Yes, you're right.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
There's a greater chance that the court.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
And now you look, the court system has said, you know, hey, who.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
That any threat, be it real or perceived.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Let that sink in oo real or perceived.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Yes, you have to understand, and you know, well for
those that don't understand, maybe on the outside looking in,
even with this ruling now being able to be or
go to court.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Oh, they're gonna appel it now.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Even if they appeal it, you understand the animal and
the power structure. Of course you're going up against the machine.
I have a question, Yes, in the history, in the
history of law in general, how many times have the people,
even those that have been discriminated against, even those who
(08:35):
serve right and.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
Deserve justice, how many times have the machine laws? It
doesn't happen often, but you can't get deterred. Just imagine
if doctor King would have gotten disturbed, are deterred?
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Where all those.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
People that marched in the fifties and the sixties had
gotten deterred rolls apart, if she had said, you know what,
ain't nothing gonna change, So let me just go ahead
and give my feet up.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
You know what. I'm glad. I'm glad you just said that. Right,
I'm glad you just said that. So everything we've been
through in the fifties, right, the sixties, all those that sacrifice, Yes,
we had one that sacrificed even recently, Brother Kaepernick, take me, yes,
standing for something. Yes, I have a question for you. Yes,
(09:21):
has anything changed since then?
Speaker 2 (09:24):
In the NFL?
Speaker 3 (09:25):
No? No, no, not not the NFL in general. Yes, with
everyone you just named with fifty sixties, seventies, eighties, Yes, happening.
Has anything changed.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Yet it doesn't seem like it. Oh Joe.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
It seems like if we take a step forward, we
take a couple of steps back.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Okay, But if you talk to me, think about your grandparents.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Yes, then your parents within that same situation, and you said,
ain't nothing changed over your minds would just stay in
the same liberty city, do what they did and not try,
my damnness to improve the situation.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Now where would we be we try, they are damage
to improve the situations.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Right, that's what you can do.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
Talk to way, let me stay with me real quick. Now,
there was a time in the fifties in the sixties
where they were able to wear their hoods. Huh, yes,
daylight in broad daylight clear because it was accepted. So
now they've gone away from that part. So the hoods
are gone. Yes, Now they wear roads. Now they hold levels.
(10:23):
Now have they have suits and ties on? Now they
have pis of power to where Okay, it seems like
things that change or things may be different, but it
really hasn't because now they're just in positions of power
and controlling everything, and that's what they do, and that's
that's what the system is to me. It's all about
(10:44):
understanding the system and being able to fight it. Being
able to fight and understanding that I'm going to do
all I can to try and improve the situations around me.
It makes some type of impact. But the way ecosystem
is built in general, the way it's structured, it's built
for you is never to win, but you have. They
(11:06):
would never allow us to ever get in position to
be able to make that change. And the ones who
do that look like us that happen to get them
and wear the suit ties too. You got to play
by their rules.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
But see what you did. You see what you're said.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
When we get a chance to get in that position,
do we lift someone up or do we kick the ladder?
And says I'm up on the top of the roof now,
so I'm good.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
I'm here. I don't want nobody to look like you
to join me up here.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
They say one more time, though, listen to what I said.
When they do allow you and put you in positions
of power, you have to play their game by their rules.
That's why they even letting you get in that position
to begin with.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
Sometimes that's correct, but you have to look at oho
think about a system that's been in place for as
long as it's had. You think you're going to dismantle
a system that's been into place for four hundred years
in thirty.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
Years, I know, I know one thing, that system that's
been in place for how long it's been in If
they allow you to be in that position of power,
you better play by their rules, and there's an understanding
that you have to do that in order to be there.
(12:16):
But I mean that this is this is a great topic.
You know, I'm not wanting to really talk about policy
and stuff like that, but I can go. I can
go now.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
But I love I love the fact this is nah
because they said because if you go back and look
at the ruling.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
You said, the judge like, ain't no chance that this is.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Fair, no circumstance at all.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Even if he were to appoint someone, it's still him.
So you like, an arbitrator that he appointed is going
to rule against the man that appointed it. Right, you're right,
make it makes sense. Now you're right again. We go back.
I got the speeding ticket, and I'm going to the
I go to the chief of police. Okay, well, guess
(12:58):
what the chief is not going to hear. We're gonna
give it to the corporal. He'll hear it. He's still no, no, no, no, no.
It needs to be a separate body. That's why the
police they do what they do, and then guess what
your job is done.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
We go into court.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Yeah, and now we have a whole different body with
twelve men and women that's gonna determine it, right, Yeah,
because if it was left up to the police, they
would have one hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Yeah, one hundred percent.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
Absolutely absolutely, But just in this case what happened with
brother brother flore Is and other coaches that look like
us minorities for that matter. I love that they're standing
on Bennison General and they're gonna get to in court.
But I also do understand the other dynamic of it
and understanding who you're fighting against. Yeah, oh, they got
(13:51):
a lot of money. You can throw a lot of Look,
the funny thing about it is the thing about it
is not even about the money. It's the power in
which they can sway any ruling to make sure they're
not at fall because that fight that they're fighting about,
it's still going on today with opportunities not being given
to certain individuals that look a certain way. Nothing has
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changed also when it comes to the quarterback position, that's
still prevalent in today's game as well. Yeah, But the
thing is, I don't want to dive deep in and
go into it and going in depth. But there's so
many different layers I can peel back right that I
choose not to do. But listen, only a blind man,
(14:33):
Only a blind man when I understand what I'm talking about.
Not only the man that choose not to understand what
you're talking about, those that can see and don't know
and are gonna play maybe naive advocate, Yeah, and dumb
to the situation when the facts are clear as day
that you can see, Come on nine, let's not do that.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
But uh hey, the man gets to have his day
in court and we'll see what happens and then you know,
you go from there. But I can assure you they're
going to appeal this. The Battle Supreme Court has ruled
in favor of former Head Raiders head coach John Gruden
and his appeal against the NFL.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Ruden will get discovery and a day in court.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
A legend that Commissioner Roger Goodell and the NFL improperly
leaked his email leading to his firing.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Yeah and a hey, now that's that's another one that's
going to be interesting. That's another one that's going to
be interesting.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Well, you can't. You can't appeal.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Now, they might appeal this to the Supreme Court, right,
they might Supreme because the bat of Supreme Court say naw, no, no, no,
he gets discord, he gets discossed because oh Joe, yeah,
I realized it's seventy million dollars at stake.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
He had a ten year, a hundred million dollars deal.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
They fired him.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, Well that's guaranteed though, you know
when coaches getting when coach.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
They didn't pay him because they cause he got fired
for calls.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
So they're probable cause and getting fired and that that's
like a player getting in trouble, conduct him into the team.
We can take that money back. Okay, I didn't know
that part. Yes, I didn't know that part. Okay, okay.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
So would I be surprised if if if they went
all the way to the Supreme Court, Yes, absolutely would not.
The NFL doesn't like to take Al's right because remember,
you take one, then everybody else feel like we got
in vulnerable, we got it. We we can we can
jump on, do we Hey all it Look how big
the giraffe feels. All it take is for one lion. Yeah,
(16:28):
the weigh him down and then here come the rest
everybody else. Yes, that's how they get the unless they
kept it. Catch it napping. Every once in a while
they'll catch hi nap. Catch one napping, you know, let
it to getting too late to day and he's still
rested and they catch him. But for the most part,
one of those big males jump on his back. Yeah,
it's a rout that's four hundred pounds and he's like, hey,
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he can't support that, and here it comes.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
But look.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
The NFL, they've made it. The bury up under leclear
in the UH. The appellate court against Brian Floor is
the're gonna appeal. I can see them appealing this all
the way to the Supreme Court.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
He's still the defensive coordinator in Minnesota, Minnesota.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
He absolutely lives.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
After another joint practice fight between the Ravens and the Commanders,
the Ravens issued this statement, recognizing the logistical challenges with
our team's previous game schedule on different days and the
added strain on players heading into a short week. The
Raven and Commanders are mutually agreed to no longer hold
joint practices next week. Instead, we'll concentrate on preparing for
the upcoming preseason matchup.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Ocho.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
Yeah damn yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
I like it. I like it.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
I mean it's cool, but at times you get tired
of going against yourself. At times get you get tired
of going against yourself. The funny thing about it is
the joint practices. They're going to be scuffles. There have
been scuffles in every joint practice every season back the
date when I was playing. I'm sure they were scuffles.
Oh you said you guys didn't have joint practices, but
we did.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
No, we did, we did, Oh you did.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Oh. But if it won a joint practice, hell, you'll
be scuffling against each other. Get it all out your
system now. One thing we haven't seen in a very
long time, except a few instances, is us as players
actually fighting.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
In a game.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
Now, hell, now that cost your money. You're a few
instances they don't play. I remember one time I can
only count three. I can't remember the receiver's name. Chad,
you could probably help me out. The receiver who got
upset at CJ. CJ. Gardner Johnson that play, yes, yes,
and then like when the play was over, got the
receiver and then I remember Odell and Josh Norman. Yes,
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now that that was. And the most prevalent and consistent
of battles was Mike Evans and Marshaun Lattimore. I think
Steve Steve Smith got into it with a few people
back and forth with nothing that really came to blows
like the ones I just mentioned and I cannot forget.
And Jalen Ramsey and Andrejohnson yeah, and Courtland Corlan Finnigan
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and Classic a team, Khalid a team he said, a heap,
a key to lead, and Michael Krabtree. Outside of that,
I mean, that's it. It happens very very very very
very It didn't happen often, but it does happen normally.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
But there was a culminate, there's a build up to it. Yeah,
this is something that happens over years. Yes, it ain't
just one game. It's a history, is a pattern, and
it's like, okay, enough is enough because Dre told us
he's like, man, he had been doing this stuff for
some years. Yeah, and it just built up and it's
just that day like, you know what, I fin to
put my foot down. Actually, I'm finn to put my
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foot in his ass. And so it was a build up.
But you know, when you enjoyed practice, you got close
proximity because when you fly in, you got flying the
BWI Baltimore Washington International Airport. It's fifty sixty miles, right
if that, So you know the close proximity. You know,
YadA YadA, YadA. Everybody say were the toughest, we the baddest,
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and we get it. I just for me, I didn't
have that kind of time because I was exerting all
my energy in practice. I ain't got time to be fighting. Look, hey,
are we doing this? We're doing it snap the whistle
or snap it after the whistle. I just need to
know so that way I'm clear on how you play it,
so I can play just like that. And I ay,
we're not finna do no shoving or so how we
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do it? Are we protecting each other? Am I gonna
throw your ass over the pile of what we do it?
I just need to know, because I can do it
any kind of way. I'm gonna make sure you're not
the one thing he Karma's got a lot better. Karma
used to take years. Sometimes karma instant. Oh yeah, most definitely,
Like INMSTACR. You know, just like dang, I don't know
how I'm gonna get this. I gotta go to the
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grocery store. You can alreader now you can emstacar and stuff.
I guess, oh yeah, and they'll bring you exactly what now.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
Sometimes they bring.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
It to you.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
Yeah, most definitely.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
But uh so, I guess I guess the Ravens and
and and and and the uh the commanders, they had
a joint they were having joint practice.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
They've just been fighting. Huh damn.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
Yeah. I saw some footage on Twitter today where it
was a big scuffle. I'm I'm assuming they use something
maybe from last year, because I haven't seen any scuffles
of recent. But I mean, listen, it's smaller than the coaches.
You know, prepare for the game.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Prepare for because the last thing you want to do
is get somebody hurt. Hurt.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
Yeah, most definitely, most definitely you.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Get somebody hurt because then somebody get hurt and it's
a key player. Oh, ain't gonna be no more practicing
at all, because we fight every snap.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Were fighting.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
Yeah, I like it.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
You know, look, I get it because a lot of
times because you know, we're doing nine on seven the
dbs and wide receivers doing one on one. Hey, who
winning y'all? Y'all got them maybe killing these foods down here.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
Yeah, And that's you know what I'm saying. He listen,
that's what we got from the Titans. Titans and Falcons
their joint practice, they going at it back and forth.
Because one Tennessee player said, Okay, they got us today,
but we're gonna get to ask tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Exactly. That's the mindset.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
At the end of the day. It's all about competing.
It's all about competing those that have already made the team.
You want to make sure you look good and be
able to put on a show in that joint practice
to let him know I'm still him, whoever it is,
and if you're not him, I'm trying to make a
name for myself right here until I get to do
it on Sundays at one o'clock.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
If I'm not him, I'm trying to be him. But
in the meantime, o Jo, you're talking about, we're gonna
get to ask back tomorrow. Ohch ain't trying to hear that.
He gonna curse me out for the next two hours
in meeting, right right, right right, So I got to
hear his mouth. First of all, I had to hear
your mouth. How y'all did us at on the practice field?
And then I gotta go to meetings. Gonna get it
from Mike. I'm gonna get it from the O C.
I'm gonna get it from my position.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Coach. No, bro, you're not gonna do that.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
And now, at one point in time, now we might
get as a team because I can't control everybody.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
I'm just one of a level.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
But when it comes to my one on want match up, coach,
are gonna do pat me on my back and say
good job, sir.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
I need that.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
I promise you that I need that. Listen, they love
Coach're gonna be a your Code're gonna be needy. Go
have foots in your butt that's not mine. Absolutely listen.
They call it a team game. Huh, Yes, they call
it a team game. They say it functions well. It
functions well when you play as a team. But to
realize is when.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
You break it down, all it is is eleven.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
Players, eleven individual matchups eleven individual matchups, and when each
one of you win that matchup, it works, wonders, It
works wonders.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
But the funny thing about it is sometimes there are
weaknesses in that eleven week to week. There's always a
weakness somewhere. Yes, so coaches, that's what coaches come to play.
I know what this player does well, I know what
he doesn't do well. It's a chess match between coordinators
on Sundays. How do I hide the weaknesses and put
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certain players in position to make plays?
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Right?
Speaker 3 (24:00):
But it's great even even even and.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Joint practice is scripted because they want to look at
certain they want to sack, look at certain formations against
certain defenses. You want to see certain defenses against certain formations.
So everybody's trying to do everybody a favor. Now we
don't go Okay, a nine o seven, A good solid
thud pad on pad, square up, all right, just tell
(24:24):
this met me know, Hey, you going across the middle. Hey,
guys gonna put pads on you and they're not gonna
take you to the ground, but be prepared for a collision.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
Yeah, get yourself used.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Okay, I'm cool with that now.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
If they done told us one thing, and all of
a sudden, you want to be a hero. Okay, don't
worry about it. I'll get you back.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Yeah, it changes everything, you.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
Damn right, it does because you're not gonna get me.
And then you go over to.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Your sidelines and slap hand and slap high fives. Don't
worry about it, don't. Don't you worry about it, don't, Joe,
don't worry. Nah my bad? Nah no no, because you.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Guess what you said, my bad? He said my bad.
That's one too many of my bad. You get one,
you don't get two, three or four?
Speaker 3 (25:10):
Absolutely, absolutely, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
All right, guys.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
Joining us, joining us in the chat right now is
the New York Giants running back. Last season as a rookie,
he ran one hundred and ninety two times eight hundred
and thirty nine yards five tds, and he's back. Tyrone
Tracy Julior. What's bro?
Speaker 5 (25:32):
Know?
Speaker 3 (25:32):
What's good man?
Speaker 2 (25:33):
How you doing? Man?
Speaker 3 (25:34):
I do it? Great?
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Man? How are you go?
Speaker 3 (25:37):
I'm gonna call you T T. I'm gonna call you
T T because I feel like appreciate that man.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
We feel what they call you. You want to be called
T T.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
T T Trace You know TTJ.
Speaker 5 (25:46):
You know, man, don't call me Tracy.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
Don't call me Tracy. I want to do that. So
I have a question. First off, My first question is
how is training camp going so far? How your legs
holding up? And have you hit that? Yeah? Have you
hit that? Training camp? Well? All yet?
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (26:02):
I mean I ain't go alloted to day. They've been
taking care of us, to be honest, like he's been.
He's been doing a good job making sure that like
you know, we putting it in work. But it also
like you know, giving us a bowling, you know, here
and there and making sure you know, uh, you know,
off days, we're taking care of you know, the recovery
aspect of everything.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
But I'm good, you know, camping good.
Speaker 5 (26:21):
Everything been good. The valves in the locker room is high.
You got new faces in the locker room, so everything
been smooth.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
Yeah, so hold on, hold on. I'm feeling good tonight.
But I'm fine to talk. But listen, I got I
got one more question. Your rookie season for our season,
five tests down, nine hundreds some yards on whatever, however
many carriage it was. I know you set goals for yourself,
you have to, but obviously as players going into a season,
you have personal goals as well, goals be if it's
(26:49):
okay with you sharing it with us to night, Yeah,
some goals for this season. Yeah, I mean to be
honest with you.
Speaker 5 (26:54):
So my my personal goals as first and foremost, you
gotta win. I like, if you don't win, nothing else matters.
But obviously I want to do way better than I
did last year. Last year was really just you know,
obviously my first year in the league, Welcome to the league,
all that stuff.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
But now I feel more confident.
Speaker 5 (27:11):
I feel like, you know, I got the energy behind me,
but I also got you know, the trust behind me
as well from the coaching staff and my teammates to
go out there and play well. I want, you know,
fifty hundred yards. I want ten tons like I won't.
I want to be, you know, one of the running
backs that people talk about, Like, this is stuff I
pray for.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (27:30):
I feel like for me to say it in front
of you guys, but also like, you know, say it
to myself each and every day. You know, that's something
that you need to say. You know, the power of
life and death. Love than the tongue. So I got
to continue to speak life to my situation for each
and every person I'm around.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
You know what I'm saying. So, yeah, that's that's how.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
That's how.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
That's how I'm moving right now, like.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
That, speaking into existence. We were you and I were
just talking about.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Practice fights when you have you know, scrimmagers, joint joint
practice scrimmager.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
You know, they're a little skuff for yesterday. What what what?
Speaker 3 (28:06):
What?
Speaker 2 (28:06):
What? What popped out with you and Will McDonald.
Speaker 5 (28:11):
They don't really pop off, man, y'all y'all been there,
y'all been there.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
I can't get you know.
Speaker 5 (28:16):
It's high competition, you know, it's the best against the best.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
You you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
I had a good little run.
Speaker 5 (28:23):
He was just finishing the play and my office in
line didn't like that, right, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
So that's that's really what happened.
Speaker 5 (28:30):
You know, he threw me to the ground. My office
on line didn't like they had my back. Yeah, it
really wasn't nothing. It was nothing, crazy, man. You know,
we we seen worse. You know, y'all probably seen worst.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Two Yeah, this Brian Black because you're I was just talking, Okay,
when you have a joint practice. Okay, coaches go Overlook,
nine on seven is gonna be solid thuds. We're not
taking anybody to the ground, but there's gonna be some
thud going on. Okay in seven or A, A and
and team, they're not gonna take it to the ground,
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but it's gonna be some coalie. So just expect it.
So you go in with the mindset, Okay, this is
what it's gonna be, x Y and Z. I'm good
with it. I'm prepared. It's when you do something extra.
It's what because your coach had a conversation with our coach,
this is what they agreed to. Now when you step
outside of that scope, I got to check you.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (29:19):
Oh yeah, that's exactly what happened. To be honest with you. Yeah,
they told me. Like the coach Daves came to me personally.
He was like, yo, like we know it's tag off,
but just be prepared in between the tackle box.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Yeah, to hit you.
Speaker 5 (29:34):
So I'm like, okay, okay, cool, Like you know, I'm
cool with that. Like in between talk about you know,
that's ten yards. You know what I'm saying, They gonna
hit you. Okay, cool, But this happened. You know, I'm
about to go score. You know, he fifteen yards down
a line of scrimming like running. So that's really why,
you know, the scuffling started, just because like that that
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was that wasn't the rules. The rules is in between
a line of scrimmage, boom, you get fifteen yards you
can hit.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
But other than that, like you know, let me finish.
Speaker 5 (30:03):
My run because I'm just trying to do my job,
you know what I'm saying, finish off a run. But
you know, like I said, man, we just people have
my bag and they didn't like that.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
That's all.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
Yeah, that's dope. Hey Jackson, Jackson.
Speaker 5 (30:15):
Dart, Yeah, I knew you was going there. Yeah, y'all
was going to go there. But I knew one of
y'all was gonna go there.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
Listen, listen, I'm asking My question is is is Malie
Neighbors having a very very very very good year last year?
And I you him and Milite or Elite Neighbors has
the talent to be in the top five. Conversation we
talked about receivers, you know in the NFL. Yeah, how
is Jackson Dart looking so far as far as being
able to understand the offense, being in command of the
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offense and understanding like this is the chance that I
can be the future for the next decade for this team.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
Did you did you watch that last game? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah yeah yeahs a matter of fact, there were three
quarterbacks that looked really good because we didn't know what
we're going to get from. Jackson Dart was one of them.
The other George Sanders, and there was one more.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
Cam Jay also started he kicked it off the jams
dark and then the other guy finished it up.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
Yeah, but the small times we thought we saw from
Jackson Dart, they look good. He looked. He looked poor,
very good, very calm. Most of the time. Most of
the time rookie quarterbacks when that pressure, those lights are on,
they get happy feet. They rattled, you know, their technique
is like they just they rushed the ball. But he
looked really good. Nah he did.
Speaker 5 (31:30):
I mean, to be honest with you, ain't really nothing crazy.
You know he did out there. He do that stuff
every day in practice, to be honest with you, like,
that's that's just how all the good players that you're around,
the great players are around, they all do that stuff.
Every single day, so it's not like a surprise when
they do it on Sundays or Saturdays or whatever.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
So like, yeah, I mean, I feel.
Speaker 5 (31:50):
Like he's gonna he had the potential to be a
really good quarterback, right that he's taking everything.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
To his his his game to another level, to be honest.
Speaker 5 (32:02):
When he first got there, obviously it's a lot of
information going in. But now, like you can see that
he's he's settled down, like and yeah, yeah, yeah, oh yeah, he.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
Dialed in now, like you can see some.
Speaker 5 (32:12):
Of that college Jackson dark come out of him because
of how calm and relax he is in the game,
and like he's just out there hooping now he ain't,
he ain't thinking, he's just out there playing.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
That's that's the funny thing. When you get to a point,
regardless of what position you play, running back, especially the
quarterback position, because you have your plate and at the
table coming to the line of scrimmage. But when you
know everything and what everybody's doing around you and you're comfortable,
and you add comfortability with confidence, yeah, it's a done deal.
The game starts to slow down to you. When the
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game starts to slow down to you, you start to
look like some of the better quarterbacks in the NFL
that do it consistently with his key week the week.
I got one more question before you go. I'm feeling good, man.
I got questions for y'all too. Please tell me what
is it like be around Jameis crazy ass Winston in
the locker room? I just need one good Jameis Winston story.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
Please.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
Hey, he's fighting, man.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Have y'all been around him?
Speaker 3 (33:09):
Yeah? For short spurts in New Orleans? You know, Yeah,
But I wouldn't but every day, No, that would be
a joy.
Speaker 5 (33:18):
I ain't gonna a lot like what I see online
and on Instagram and all.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
These clips y'all see, is really like that, Like.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
I promise you.
Speaker 5 (33:28):
I promise you, like I have a million stories, like
I won't known the man for about five months now,
right right? He does crazy stuff every day, like every day,
like he does something crazy, Like I'll tell you this
one story. We had a UFC fighter come to our
practice and she gave him some gloves like sign him
and everything. Jamis comes in a locker room and starts
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like doing UFC like kicks and fights with the gloves on,
like he's really trying to fight people in the locker room,
like showing us how his kids and everything.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
Like I promise you.
Speaker 5 (34:02):
Like he is like I thought I was an outgoing
person until I met him. Like he's like literally one
of one, Like he's a great, great person.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
Like he's a very down to earth guy. Yeah, cool
as he that's dope.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
Yeah, That's kind of where I was going because I
wanted to know the difference between the personality between Russ
and because if you look at him that the personality are.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Very very different.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
But they're both very religious men, seem to be very
approached their business, go about the work, the task in hand,
and get the job done. What would you say was
it would be the biggest differences between Russ's personality and
Jamis's personality.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
That's a good question.
Speaker 5 (34:46):
I would probably say Jamis goes about his business more fluid.
I guess you can say Russ is more like not
really strict, but he just has a certain way of
doing things right. James is more like goofy, like he
is business, but like he also understands that, like you know, you.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
Have to have fun while do you have to have
fun while doing it?
Speaker 5 (35:10):
You know what I'm saying don't get me wrong, Russ
has fun, but like Russ is like on a certain path,
like he does stuff a certain way, and like I
don't know how he's like.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
He's not strict.
Speaker 5 (35:22):
He's not strict, but does he expects things to look
a certain way?
Speaker 2 (35:25):
Very disciplined.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
Yes, I if I was given an analogy, Uh, in
comparison to to the two, it's like watching Fresh Prince
and watching Will Smith and watching Carlton. Yes, yeah, that's
I see Russell Wilson as Carlton a sense, very serious,
very business oriented. You know, he can have fun when necessary.
And I see Jameis Winston's at Will Smith, you know,
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and the character in comparison to the two. Yeah, don't
get me.
Speaker 5 (35:53):
Wrong, they both are cool, like regardless of the situation.
But like I said, James is or goofy, like he's
there to like he's always gonna make you laugh, make
you feel good, Like even when things are like very tense,
he cracks a joke so like you feel good. Yeah,
he breaks the eyes so like no one you know,
feel like you know the coach is getting after you
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or whatever, Like he makes sure that like you understand that,
like at the end of the day, coaches gonna get
after you, but you got to move on, like the
next play is coming up, so you continue to And
Russ is the same way. Like. Russ is very like
I said, he's strict, but he has a certain way
of doing things, very disciplined, like first one in, last
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one out, Like every single day he has his routine
of what he does. And that's just who Russ is.
And if you've been around him, he handles himself like
professional like every single day. So yeah, they're both very
good leader, like you said, very both very religious men
like I really can't say enough good things about each
of them.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
Yeah, that's dope.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
You guys finished dead lass in red zone touchdown percentage.
You scored the second fewest points in the red zone and.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
That little that a little harsh, I mean got you
guys finished last and red zone.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
For after y'all finish second worst point scored, so that
I mean you did last the other way.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
Show.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
But Okay, when you come back on next year, what
are you going to do different to make sure you're
not in the same spot again.
Speaker 5 (37:20):
Man, To be honest with you, when we get down there,
we got to score three points is not enough and
get your beat.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
In this league, three points ain't enough.
Speaker 5 (37:29):
We gotta score touzz And I think that really starts
with O line obviously protecting the quarterback. Quarterback, you gotta
do your job, make better decisions. Get the ball to
your playmakers, running back, receivers, tight ends, get ball, get
them in the ball like that. I think that's the
easiest thing in the game. Get the ball to your teamaker,
let them go to work. And when your playmakers go
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to work, it makes the whole game easy.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
Where you come in at I didn't hear you mentioned.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
Let me say, run the ball.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
So you want to run? Okay, We're gonna run the ball. Okay.
Speaker 5 (38:01):
Wen, you.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
Got to put yourself in that description as a playmaker
because you know what you could be. Hell, you can
be the goddamn security blanket you could be. You want
to be one of the better running backs in the league. Right,
So you want to know when they game plan they
come into a game, Well, God damn, we gotta worry
about two people. We gotta worry about Malik Neighbors. Oh,
we gotta worry about t t You're coming defenses you
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in the backfield first or second down? All right, we
gotta drop the safety down in the goddamn box.
Speaker 5 (38:33):
They can't do that though they drive to save down,
We're gonna throw it over top boom boom.
Speaker 3 (38:38):
So if Malik going off boom, now we got Now
we gotta go too high. Yeah, it's time to.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
Work out of that too high exactly.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
But that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (38:48):
Like you, you're the body of playmakers that makes a
lot of things easy. Face off, offensive coordinator. We've got
a lot of good dudes in your locker room down
and they all want to win. Obviously, you got your
personal stuff that you want to do, but like if
you all just want to win, like, it makes a
lot of stuff easy, like because it's easier when you're winning.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
When you're losing, it's hard, man Like last year it was.
Speaker 5 (39:10):
It was hard last year just because like obviously you're
losing and we're trying to figure out why we're losing,
and then you know, you got.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
A whole bunch of stuff going on. So it was hard.
But it's way easier when you when you win. It
it's fun.
Speaker 5 (39:22):
It's fun to be around people, fun to be around coaches,
fun to be in the locker room.
Speaker 2 (39:26):
Everything, So fun to be out and about the city.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
Yeah, being able to show you especially listen, you're planning.
You're planning in the biggest market. You planning the biggest
market in the world. And when you win it in
that market, Oh, the newspapers are a joy to watch.
They had a lot, are joy to read. When you lose,
everything is magnified. You don't want to show your face.
You don't want to deal with the fans. Yeah, in
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the market of that magnitude. So man, listening, I'm hoping.
I'm hoping y'all do very very well. You know we will.
He did the vision you guys are in. It ain't
no slap. Oh yeah, no, I ain't no slap. We
ain't no slap either, though, we ain't no slap. Okay,
that what I'm talking about. That what I'm talking about.
That what I'm looking for right now.
Speaker 1 (40:11):
Okay, Hey have you always have you always been a
running back?
Speaker 2 (40:15):
Did you play any other position?
Speaker 3 (40:16):
Yeah? I was gonna say that earlier. Yeah, I was
a receiver, shoot my whole career, my whole college career. Really, yeah,
I was.
Speaker 5 (40:25):
I turned I turned a switch positions my last year
because of coach c He's a he's at the running
back coach at Purdue. Yeah, he came in from Miama, Ohio.
He looked at me and he was like, yeah, you're
gonna be a running back. And I know I've known
coach c for like my entire life, Like I know
him since I was like fifteen years old. But I
wanted to be a receiver. I was you know, I
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was watching I was watching you Oho, you know what
I'm saying, watching watching your fan, watching Tevon Dustin, Like
I was watching all these cats, you know, go crazy,
you know with the because.
Speaker 3 (40:56):
I was about what five I was about five ten,
one eighty. You know, I was a slot receiver.
Speaker 5 (41:01):
And then once I got to college, I gained some weight,
got about two hundred pounds, right, and they was like, yeah,
you gonna be running back.
Speaker 3 (41:09):
Yeah. So everything if you look at older let me
say that real quick, real quick.
Speaker 5 (41:15):
You look at everything, like from all my my stat line,
from my measurements, you know what I'm saying. Like I
was an average. I was an average receiver. But then
like you switching to running back, you know, now I'm
running a you know four four seven, that's that's a
fast running back. Good hands, I can run good routes
because I was a receiver. So that you look at
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everything that you know, you compare to the league today.
Now that's that's God. God really made all that happen.
Like I went through all that, that struggle and that
frustration and irritation, and then next thing, you know, like
all the blessings came out.
Speaker 3 (41:51):
You know, in twenty twenty five, it was it's crazy.
Well listen now that you just said that, boy, you
just you just woke me up a little bit. And
I want you to understand and the importance of not
only planned receiver at one point, but now playing running back.
You understand that's two things you can do very well
because you don't got to come out on third down. Yeah,
to come out on third down, So that puts you
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in the same category. You can get to this in
year two and continue to improve on it. But Christian McCaffrey,
great running back, what else can you do about the backfield?
Catch Ladani and Thomason out the backfield and catch no
so that that makes your three down back and that
adds value. You know what happened when you add value
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in another dynamic to your game that they can't take
away from you. It also adds dollar makes money. Hey, okay,
stay with me now, the more you can do.
Speaker 1 (42:43):
Well since you since you are running back official nodo.
Now give me your top five running backs of all time.
Speaker 6 (42:49):
A hole of all time, all time, all time? Okay,
herschel Walker, Uh, what do you know about big Dog?
Come on now, I actually watch this film. I ain't
gonna I actually watched.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
This film in college.
Speaker 3 (43:09):
Man. Oh yeah, I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go with man.
I ain't gonna a some there's some dogs.
Speaker 5 (43:17):
Yeah, there's some dogs. He talking about running backs. Emmitt Smith.
Gotta put him in there?
Speaker 3 (43:25):
Is this like is this like rankings or you just
like your Yeah, it's your preference. L. T.
Speaker 5 (43:36):
Dan Thompson, Yeah, I love I love his game, like,
I love how smooth he was. And I'm gonna play.
I'm gonna play Otis Anderson in there only because I've
watched his film personally, and I've seen I was playing
for the Giants.
Speaker 3 (43:55):
But I've also watched his film personally. I like the
way he played.
Speaker 1 (43:59):
He's a big ruithen back. He put that wind up on,
he put that wine up on.
Speaker 3 (44:02):
You Lynch.
Speaker 5 (44:05):
B Mo, Yeah, you gotta put mother at four and
then my last one. Uh, I'm gonna both bow big
bow Jackson.
Speaker 3 (44:18):
Yeah, okay, okay, that's that's a good.
Speaker 2 (44:20):
That's good.
Speaker 1 (44:21):
Five or six. I think he might have added one one.
I think you did, but.
Speaker 3 (44:28):
That was five. He can't you know, he getting old.
He can't know.
Speaker 1 (44:33):
You had You had herschel Walker, You had Emmy Smith,
Ladani and Thomlinson.
Speaker 3 (44:39):
Who else he had Jacksons, Anderson and Bo Jackson and
Bo Jackson.
Speaker 1 (44:43):
That's fine, you're right, you got man. You just you
just named guys. You just named guy that I saw you.
Speaker 3 (44:51):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
I was surprised.
Speaker 1 (44:54):
I thought you would go a little bit more modern man,
pol Barry Man. I ain't never seen somebody leave back
Sandels off the list, so.
Speaker 5 (45:04):
I was gonna put Barry and I put em in
in there. But all right, that just made me personally,
this is my personal person.
Speaker 3 (45:11):
Yeah, that's your mess. A matter of fact. You know,
you know who my favorite running backs are and it
is not the favorite. It's not the favorites. And I'm
not talking about all time. I'm talking about running styles
I like in general. But I'm like runners that are
very smooth with no hurky jerky movements and just they
get the ball and they just they just glide as
they run. Arian Foster.
Speaker 1 (45:34):
Yeah you hey, hey what about Wash'll Lynch? Hey is
he a running back that was a young man that
can't remember? Damn how you remember your plays?
Speaker 3 (45:43):
I did?
Speaker 2 (45:43):
I did say that.
Speaker 3 (45:44):
I did say that.
Speaker 2 (45:46):
Yeah, who told you? Producer told you that?
Speaker 3 (45:50):
Now?
Speaker 1 (45:51):
Hey, hey, oh Joe the running back like the quarterback, like, oh, okay,
that's the play we running right there?
Speaker 3 (45:56):
No fourteen, Okay, that's me. I ain't get my my
my three smoothest running backs of all time based on it,
we got running style, running stock. Okay. Four. I'm gonna
go with Eric Diggers the first. Okay, it's pretty just
pretty Arian Foster. Okay you see Arian Foster run. Yeah,
Priest homes the Priest and a man green.
Speaker 2 (46:19):
That's okay.
Speaker 5 (46:20):
One, that's a new one.
Speaker 3 (46:23):
The dudes ran so smooth and it's like they was
gliding and like you know how you see some running back,
it's like you know that strong they run strong, strong
dog them four This name right there, man was it
was beautiful.
Speaker 2 (46:38):
I played.
Speaker 1 (46:39):
I played with Priest one year, his last year in Baltimore.
I played with the priest.
Speaker 3 (46:42):
Yeah, man an a man green too.
Speaker 4 (46:45):
Oh my goodness, you're downhill mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (46:51):
In the West Coast System, if you look at the
backs of Arian Foster in the West Coast System, you
look at those guys like that, Terrell Davis is one
cut down.
Speaker 3 (47:00):
Hell.
Speaker 2 (47:00):
It ain't a whole hey, ain't a whole lot of
dancing moving.
Speaker 3 (47:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (47:04):
Hey, say that for Friday night when you're at the club,
but come Sunday when you're on the field, ain't no dancing.
Speaker 2 (47:09):
Get your hand downhill right right?
Speaker 1 (47:13):
Uh so what can we expect from T T So
you said fifteen hundred ten tons Pro Bowl?
Speaker 3 (47:24):
I mean, hey, I ain't the Pro Bowl.
Speaker 5 (47:26):
Like a fan vote is fans coaching.
Speaker 2 (47:30):
The players had a fan vote. Like the fans vote
count the count the most.
Speaker 1 (47:34):
I think it's fifty percent, and then players and coaches count.
Speaker 3 (47:38):
I need to ask you know, you can get all
these all these.
Speaker 5 (47:42):
Accolades and stuff, but like you know, I feel like
that fan vote.
Speaker 3 (47:46):
I think once you crack, once you crack it one time,
and especially for you, it'd be much easier because of
the market you play in. You know, the product is
products sell itself based on what you're playing. So if
you even get close to the numbers that you're talking
about getting as far as your goals for this season,
you would you would definitely make it. And once you're
in most of the time they think, oh it's a
(48:08):
it's a popular vote, regardless of whether the fans pick
it or not. Yeah, if you maintain yeah the weekend
from a from a from a stat's.
Speaker 5 (48:18):
Perspective, Yeah, oh yeah, okay, okay, but yeah, that's definitely
that's definitely on my on my on my list for sure.
Speaker 1 (48:27):
Where can the chat find you? On social media? Where
you on? Where are you on as on?
Speaker 2 (48:32):
I g.
Speaker 5 (48:33):
Oh sure on X or Twitter X it was just
tyro on Tracy and then on Instagram I am underscore
t t j X. I uh sure, both of y'all
very I need y'all to follow me too.
Speaker 3 (48:47):
Hey wait, Matte, I got one more question too before
you go. How do you feel about your Maden braiding
and and and do I need to change anything? I
think I think I think I'm like A. I think
I'm at seventy nine. I think what seventy nine? Yeah, yeah,
I think I think I'm not I'm not in your
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rookie year. You might have been a seventy nine based
on what you did last year. I'm sure seventy nine.
Speaker 5 (49:14):
So so if it's not hiring a seventy nine, I
need to contact you.
Speaker 3 (49:18):
What I'm here, Hey, just just let me know, Just
let me know.
Speaker 2 (49:21):
Okay, No, we.
Speaker 1 (49:22):
Will contact us after the first month of the season.
Don't contact us after the first game, after the first
month of the season.
Speaker 2 (49:27):
Contact us first month.
Speaker 3 (49:29):
Okay, first, mom, I got you.
Speaker 2 (49:33):
Hey, Man, thanks for joining us, man Jr.
Speaker 3 (49:36):
Man, I really do.
Speaker 1 (49:37):
Hey, the number one thing always helped. You can't you
can't do anything if you're not healthy, you're not available
to your ball cup. So best of helped this season
and good luck, bro.
Speaker 2 (49:47):
All right, appreciate you, Love you, oh Joe.
Speaker 1 (49:55):
Jerry Jones continues to believe all the all publicity is
good publicity. Jerry said, I do believe that if we're
not being looked at, then I'll do my part to
get us looked at. The beautiful thing for networks or
if you were streaming companies, is that the NFL is
the three hundred and sixty five day year interest factory.
A lot of programming you have to spend as much
to promote as you do to make it. The cowboys
(50:18):
are soaproper three hundred and sixty five days a year.
When it gets slow, I'll stir it up, Oh Joe,
Jerry said, he be stirring the pot.
Speaker 3 (50:28):
Listen, man, everybody in the chat. Use I use this
this moniker, I use this phrase, I use this analogy
last night. I don't think Jerry Jones understands the product
that he owns and controls. Frank Lucas in American Gangster
he had Blue Magic hu Ya, the best product out
there in the business, in the world. You didn't have
(50:50):
to do anything to it because it's soul itself. Jerry,
Why you cut it up? You don't need to cut
it up any smaller pieces for the do what it's
gonna do without you in the picture. It's gonna sell
itself no matter what. The Cowboys will always be talked about,
whether you come out and say something or not, because
(51:12):
it's the Cowboys. I don't, I don't, I don't listen,
I don't. He's not in the business of winning. He
continues to show us that time and time again.
Speaker 2 (51:21):
In the business of making money everything.
Speaker 3 (51:23):
He's in the business of you said, he's in the
business of making money. He is great at that, and
and that's just what it is. I feel sorry for
the fans, you know, I feel sorry for the players
that are that that have to deal with that. You know,
you want to play for the Cowboys, you want to
play for America team. You got to start on a helmet.
But it's more of a circus than it is a
football team that want at the top. Success on any team,
(51:47):
it starts at the top. Yeah, it just trickers on down.
But if the circus starts at the top, what do
you think the product is gonna look like? Come on, man,
it don't got to be Sunday for me to preach.
Come on, man, you know.
Speaker 2 (52:03):
You know he look Jerry, but come on that.
Speaker 1 (52:07):
The Cowboys I think I just read today the Cowboys
are worth twelve point eight billion, the most expensive franchise,
not just North America, of all sports franchises, basketball, football, baseball,
these these soccer teams, o Euro all that nothing.
Speaker 2 (52:24):
If it's a sports.
Speaker 1 (52:25):
Club, sports franchise, nothing is more valuable than the Cowboys.
Speaker 3 (52:31):
Nothing. Hey, the man is in the business of making money,
that's it.
Speaker 1 (52:37):
I don't have a problem with that. But don't try
to discuis them talk about you care about winning, because
you don't know because you care about selling tickets. You
care about keeping interest in your team, not about winning.
Speaker 3 (52:51):
Actions speak loud in the words yeah, actions show otherwise.
And based on his actions, it lets us know I'm
in the business of lining my pockets and staying the
most profitable sports franchise in the world. That's it. And
then if he's okay with that, then so be it.
But he does set a precedent. Yeah, he sets the
(53:14):
president to the coaches, he sets the president to the players,
and the way he conducts himself when it comes to business.
But it is what it is. The Cowvi's America Seene.
Speaker 1 (53:26):
I heard Emmitt at this doctor series, yeah, the other
night when he was at Netflix, and he was talking about,
at some point in time, it comes down to the players,
because that's what we did, Emmitt. So who are who
I want to know? The Emmett Smith, the Michael Irvin.
Michael Irving was the leader of the team. And then
(53:46):
you had Haley, and you look at the guys that
you had, You had Jimmy, You had Jimmy, and then
y'all got d on. If you don't get d on
y'all not gonna be if he stayed in San Francisco.
As who win it San Francisco. He's flipped the ballance
of power. Yeah, y'all don't have the level of players.
(54:06):
I'm sorry you don't. You don't you look at you
Look at the defense that they had back.
Speaker 3 (54:13):
Then, Well boy reloaded, right.
Speaker 2 (54:17):
They were loaded.
Speaker 1 (54:19):
Look at that offensive line they had been easy, They
had Larry Allen, they had Nate Newton, I think they
still had step.
Speaker 2 (54:29):
I think two and they were still there. Man stopped down.
Speaker 1 (54:34):
Offensive line, y'all got Troy was probably one of the
most accurate quarterbacks, especially.
Speaker 2 (54:38):
For that time. Right.
Speaker 3 (54:43):
Different, different, But you got.
Speaker 1 (54:46):
To realize Jimmy wasn't doing all this talking back there
in either of them, jim Jimmy wasn't having that. That's
why he got Jimmy up out of there. He wasn't
doing all this talking. I don't know about you, Joe,
but out in the lead other in the league. And
I know it wasn't no twenty four hour news cycle.
But in press conference, they didn't have no midy, they
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had no mice.
Speaker 3 (55:07):
In front of.
Speaker 1 (55:08):
Jimmy, I mean in front of Jerry. The mice went
in front of Jimmy and it drove Jerry crazy.
Speaker 3 (55:16):
Damn, that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (55:20):
But I agree with you. The Cowboys brand is so
strong you ain't gotta say nothing nothing. We're gonna talk
about it regardless.
Speaker 3 (55:31):
Yeah, outlets, analysts, podcasts, people on the street. I don't remember.
I don't.
Speaker 1 (55:39):
I don't remember you. Hey, you ever hear mister Craft
talk prior to the Super Bowl. I hear him talking
the AFC Championship game where he getting the trophy or
that too, and that that that when you getting the trophy,
So you normally getting trophy when he's talking. Yeah, yeah,
Jerry talking to himself talk talking. Man, I forgot what
my boys hurting like. I ain't been on no I
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ain't been on no platform and got no trophy in
a long time.
Speaker 3 (56:02):
So you're with Denzel Washington said with that opinionaires he
know about the other you know he's Oh.
Speaker 2 (56:11):
He's talking about Jed Jared Jail.
Speaker 1 (56:13):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (56:13):
He said Jared about making money.
Speaker 3 (56:15):
That's it. That's it.
Speaker 2 (56:18):
I believe too.
Speaker 1 (56:19):
I believe you can do two things that I don't
believe they have to be mutually exclusive. I believe you
can make money and still win.
Speaker 3 (56:24):
Yeah, yeah, you can.
Speaker 1 (56:26):
The Patriots did it for twenty years. The Chiefs has
done it for about a decade.
Speaker 3 (56:30):
Now, right. But then you know his retort to what
you just said would be, well, they made money, they
won suos, but I'm still the most profitable franchise. Yeah,
would that much rather be number one in that area
if I can't be number one on the field.
Speaker 1 (56:47):
Well, the Cowboys, the Cowboys America's team when they didn't
have Jared Jones. So what is he talking about?
Speaker 3 (56:51):
M hm.
Speaker 1 (56:54):
He he didn't name him America's team. They didn't They
had this with the with the with the hole in
the top so God could watch his team. He didn't
do none of that, right, So this notion that he
created this, he didn't. All the teams have exponentially increased.
(57:17):
I mean, you could for what one year's salary what
a quarterback make, you could used to could be able
to buy franchise.
Speaker 2 (57:23):
Go back and look at some of these franchise what
they paid for.
Speaker 1 (57:27):
Now, that was I mean, that was a boatload of
money back then in the Earth seventies and you know, uh,
that was a that was a boatload of money. But
I'm just saying, and today you know they ten x
fifteen to twenty ex their money.
Speaker 3 (57:40):
Oh yeah, so.
Speaker 1 (57:44):
Jerry probably even fifty x to his money. But with
that being said, I don't believe that you have to
do all that. Jerry wasn't like this. Like I said,
Al Davis was his mentor. That's who taught him. He's
Al Davis. Al Davis has always been a maverick, always
did things his way. And you know he's like, I'm moving,
(58:06):
I'm going to l A. No you gotta get vote.
I ain't got to get nothing. It's my team.
Speaker 3 (58:10):
I bought it. I'm moving.
Speaker 1 (58:12):
And he sued the league to move and he sued.
He he just I'm going back to Oakland.
Speaker 3 (58:17):
No you're not.
Speaker 1 (58:17):
You got to know I'm going by I'm suing. And
that's how Jerry is. Jared like, nah, I'm not gonna
be a part. I'm gonna be a part of the
collective bargaining when it comes to me. Excuse me, I'm
gonna be a part of the revenue sharing when it
comes to TV. After that, I'm on my own. I'm
(58:38):
gonna do my own independent deals. He has a deal
with PEPSI, he has he has his own deals. Uh,
he has his own merchandising deal. He's like, no, I'll
do that revenue share when it comes to TV, but
other than that because I can do a better job
than you. Got no problem with that, but it's unfortunate
(59:03):
at the end of the day, Bro, Right now we
do it is talking. Yeah, you ain't collecting no trophies.
The mother, the mother five and that they lonely.
Speaker 3 (59:13):
Yeah,
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