Shannon Sharpe & Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to the Panthers trading Adam Thielen back to the Vikings, and break down Ravens star Kyle Hamilton signing a record-setting $100.4M extension — the largest deal for a safety in NFL history. Plus, Kerby Joseph join the show to talk about the upcoming season and much more!
02:40 - Kyle Hamilton 100m deal
11:30 - Panthers trade Adam Theilen to Vikings
17:30 - Terry Mclaurin age
24:51 - Kerby Joseph joins the show
45:58 - Colts GM not trading Anthony Richardson
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two very special guests joining us tonight. Safety from the
Detroit Lions, Kirby Joseph and the big defensive tackle from
the Seattle Seahawks, Leonard Williams joining us a bit later.
But first, oh, your first All Pro safety Kyle Hamilton
and the Ravens have reached an agreement a four year
extension worth one hundred point four million dollars. It's the
(02:48):
largest deal for safety in NFL history and the deal
includes eighty two million dollars. Uh, however, they got a
bigger deal loom me yeah, Lamar Jackson. His said of
cap number is forty three point five million and twenty
five seventy four and a half million in twenty Yes
(03:12):
with Lamar continued, he still represents himself here and his mom.
Are we headed for a long drawn out negotiation or
this is going to be simple and paint.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
It's going to be simple and plain. It's simply the
fact this is quarterback number one. This is the future
of your organization, probably for the next ten years. Obviously,
we saw we saw young Bull down there in Buffalo
get his deal. I forgot what the numbers were, but
I know I think it was in north was maybe
three hundred three thirty something like that.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Yeah, yeah, I think it's over three hundred with two
fifty two fifty guaranteed.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
So obviously Lamar is going to be somewhere, probably going
to leap frog that in some way shape form or fashion. Representation,
being his mom, them having the right people in their corner,
understanding how everything works, being that they've already worked one deal,
so it's pretty easy where the numbers are going to
be and they're going to work it out. And I'm
not maybe I wouldn't be surprised if it happens maybe
(04:06):
before the season or maybe in the middle of the season,
but it's probably going to get done. Is simply when
it comes to certain certain players, when it comes to
certain especially this position, you don't play no games.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
You don't play game in that position.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
So the quarterbacks have nothing to worry about except just
football alone.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Yeah, I like them going ahead and getting this deal
with Kyle or Kyle Hamilton out of the way.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
They tied up.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
The Ravens are normally very very good about this their
homegrown talent. They take care of those guys. They always have.
I believe they're always they always will. You go back
and look at the Jonathan arguments, the Ray Lewis's, the
Tarrell Subbs ed reed, those guys. They take care of
their guys. They've always done that. They took care of
Lamar that they did make Lamar play, you know, or
the franchise tag one year. I was surprised, Well, he
(04:52):
didn't play on a franchise tag. They nobody even put
money down when so, how many guys needed a quarterback
and could given up easily two first round draft picks.
I don't think. I think that's the Gordon rate for
a quarterback of Lamar. Two first round. You'd have been
gladly giving those guys up because you hell, you feel
that when you give those guys up that you're gonna
be so far down in the draft, it's not going
(05:14):
to harm you. You don't think when you get Lamar Jackson
you're gonna be picking in the top ten.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Again.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
What that's being said. They took care of Kyle Hamilton.
Now they can put their attention on Lamar Jackson. I
agree with you. At some point in time, this deal
is gonna get done. They're not going into the season
next year with a seventy five million dollar cap hit
for a quarterback. Could I potentially see them doing something done?
Getting something done? It all depends on him because at
(05:38):
the end of the day, Oho you said it best.
He and his mom are their representation. They do have
an NFLPA attorney. I think that helped them read over
language and probably pay an hourly rate or something like that.
That's better than giving up three to four percent. I'll
pay you hourly. I'll give you, you know, fifty whatever the
case will be. Unlet's just say a round number. Let's
just say a thousand dollars an hour for you to
read over the contract to make sure everything going to
(06:00):
up and up.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
All the languages is what it needs. To be.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
But with that being said, he's not going in the
next season with no seventy five million dollars. That's for
damn absolutely, and I think it's going to be. It's
going to happen sooner rather than later that he's going
to get something done. And I can see I agree
with you, I can see them somewhere at some point
in time getting a deal done. If he wants to
get it done, he might say, well, if we don't
(06:25):
get this thing done by the first game, I've done
talking contracts until after the seventh.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Obviously, when you think about someone like Lamar, someone like
Lamar that I know personally, he's strictly football when it
comes to the business side of things. Obviously has mom
right there to handle those issues. But Lamar is one
that just wants to play football, and we understand the
nature of the business and you don't want to get
yourself in any type of distract your situations that can
take you from said game of football. But obviously his
(06:53):
his eye is on the prize, and the eyes on
the prize had nothing to do with money because he's
already been paid. So his focus is on doing what
we need to do to dominate in the AFC North
and contend and get ourselves to for one the playoffs
and to get get over the hump of getting out
the playoffs and having a chance of that.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
God damn Lombardi.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
You're absolutely right. Look, the guy's a two time MVP.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
No no, no, no, you're not gonna pay no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
He's a three time MVP. Say he's a three time MVP.
Now they took one of those m vps from him
based on one of the best statistical seasons from a
quarterback in the history of the game. So it was
that I love Josh Allen, but last year's MVP was
a damn here.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
That's what that was.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
I'm just being I'm just I'm just being realistic. That's
what I'm damn here, that's what that was.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
And uh, but you're paying.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
You're gonna pay Lamar Jackson, the guy that's not even
thirty years of age, yet you're gonna pay him. You
believe the next five or seven years he'll still put
up the kind of numbers that he's been putting up
the last three to four years. Thirty forty pass touchdowns
still can give you somewhere between five and eight hundred
rush yards, low turnover rate. Like you said, he just
(08:11):
needs to get over that hunt. He just needs to
get that one time to play like Lamar Jackson in
the regular season, because so many times we've seen him.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
He went like a stretch where he had eight nine games,
don Joe.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
He ain't turned the ball over, he didn't fumble the ball,
he didn't throw a pick, he did none of that,
and then he got I think in that playoff game,
the Divisional round against Baltimore, he ended up having two turnovers.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Look, he still had him in position.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
If the tight end, if he catches that Mark Andrews,
if he catches that two point play, now we're possibly
in the overtime or I mean, the defense is gonna
have to stand to keep josh Avin out a field
goal range and then we go to overtime. We'll never know,
but we have yet to see Lamar Jackson play in
a big time game come postseason, like the Lamar Jackson
(08:56):
that we thought should have won the MVP, see Kevin,
if that guy showed up, they go into the supermow absolutely,
And that's and that's and that's what we that's what
we keep expecting.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Old Joe.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
That's what we keep wanting to see because we know
it have we had, he has it in him because
we've seen him. It's not like we're asking We're not
asking Lamar Jackson to do anything. He has not put
on tape in the regular season. That's the only thing,
because we've seen him put on tape. He throw for
three hundred, he'll rush for sixty seventy eighty yards. We've
(09:25):
seen him have three touchdown passes, two touchdown Russian. So
we're not asking him to do anything that we have
not already seen with our own eyes. It's just that
in the playoffs, more times than not he's turned the
ball over and once he gets that out of his way,
you know, and sometimes it takes others longer than live.
We've gotten spoiled. Tom Brady win his first second your
(09:46):
first year starting, he went uh Patrick Mahomes. This first
year starting, he goes to the FC Championship Game. The
next year, his second year starting, he wins. He wins
the Super Bowl, he wins regular season MVP, and same
thing with Lamars. Think about it, Lamar, his first year
is starting, he won Super he won the MVP, so
we know who what he can capable of. We just
(10:08):
need him to be that person come playoff, and if
he does that, the Ravens is gonna be hell because
the Ravens got they got a heck of a football team.
They got a heck of a football team. I think
John Harbor is an unbelievable coach. Defensively, they got guys
that fly around to the football. They got Jahie Alexander,
they got Wiggins outside, they got Marlon hump in the slide.
They got Hamilton, they took it Safty. I think they
(10:30):
took another safety in the first round. They're good now,
ro Kwan Smith, the look that loaded. They're loaded. They
got Bateman, they got the other flyers, uh the running
back with look ricard is back. They got dead Henry.
They got a Stalian's back, Lamar. They are loaded.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
Now.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Lively is gonna be out a little whitecause I think
he got dealing with a foot injury. But they got
Matt Andrews, who's been an All Pro, who's gone to
multiple Pro Bowls. This team is loaded. This team is
a quipped and they should. You'd be thinking, hey, we
got to take care of our We got to take
care of business and win our division. But they should
have loftier expectations based on the personnel that they have
(11:11):
on the team and based on the coach the coaching
staff that they have. But yeah, Lamar, they're gonna get
something done. Forty three point five million. That's not excessive
as far as the cap ojo.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
But seventy five what else we got here?
Speaker 1 (11:31):
The Panthers trade Adam Feeling to the Vikings that the
veteran receiver returns home. He is from Minnesota. The teams
agreed to pop to swap picks. The Vikings gave up
a fifth round pick in twenty six and a fourth
round pick in twenty seven. Carolina years a conditional seventh
round pick in twenty six and a fifth round in
twenty seven.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Oh Joe. Did the Vikings get better bringing him back?
Speaker 3 (11:53):
I think they got better, just the veteran presidents in general,
just veteran president general having obviously Jordan Madison's going to
be out, so you have Adam that can come in
right now and play. And if you think about it,
I'm sure people probably don't see, you probably don't know.
But Adam Feeling and JJ McCarthy, they they worked out
in all season together they were getting, even though that's
not his quarterback, they were getting some routes, and so
there's a little bit of.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
Chemission and familiarity in that area in that sense.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
So really, Adam Thineling coming back, being able, being able
to acclimate right back to that offense, right back at home.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
I think they're gonna be fine.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
It's a great addition for them, and obviously them the
Panthers letting them go. Let you know how good and
how much they believe in that young receiving.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Jimmy Horn made the act the roster. Yeah, but you
Jimmy Horn Junior made the act.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
God damn right, Jimmy Horan was gonna make it.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Jimmy Horn is one of the better rookies in the NFL,
especially when it comes to rock running and being able
to create separation and get open.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
So I understood that. Hell, Jimmy was so goddamn good.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
They let brother Hunter winfro Brother Hunter winfro Go and
winfro is one, if considered one of the better rock
runners and also a creating separation to be able.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
To get open.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
But that's how good, that's how good they are. Obviously,
I'm very very high, very very high. And I've spoke
highly of that receiving Corps over there in Carolina, and
if they're if they're to have a year and want
to compete not only in that division, but have a
successful season, it's going to be upun that receiving Corps
leading brother Bryce.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
Young to the Promised Land.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
So outside of that, I'm happy for Adam Thieling. He's
gonna be just fine back in Minnesota, JJ McCarthy, Justin Jefferson,
Adam Thielen. And when Jordan Madison comes back, that's a
nice trio to have, very nice trial.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Yeah, and you still got Howkinson, Who's who's another year
removed from that Andre Aaron Jones in the backfield. Yeah,
I liked I like to move. This is a Carolina's opportunity.
I mean, I would have liked for him to stay
there and help mentor though some of those young receivers
on jo that they have in Carolina, But the Carolina's
looked like, it's our guys. It's time for them to
(13:52):
grow up. It's time for them to grow up. We're
counting on these young guys. You got to make me
you got look at you got Aylen Coker. Coker, you
got called Jimmy Horn Jr. Like you said, so they
got some young talent. Now it's just time for them.
They don't have a what you call a veteran presence
(14:13):
in that locker room on your at the receiver position.
They have veterans on the team, but I like to
move what. I've been disappointed if Carolina said no. But
they said, you know what for a fourth round pick
in twenty seven?
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we go ahead. We let y'all
have we, let y'all have this.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
And I understand Minnesota because, like you said, Jeorde Addison's
gonna be gone for three games. So now we got
somebody to come in that a veteran presence that understands
the gravity and the magnitude of these games that.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
They can't like.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
They're in a very tough division, Ojo that Green Bay
is in that division, Detroit's in that division. We believe
Chicago would be better than in that division. So Detroit's like, nah,
we don't really have any excuses, We don't have any slippage.
We want to get off hit the ground running, and
I think Adam Thieland gives them a great opportunity to
do that. So I like betrayed for both. But if
Carolina said, nah, to keep Adam thieling and to help
(15:04):
him groom some of these young guys, I wouldn't have
been upset at that.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
If you have to understand why they let him go.
I think people in the chest need to understand. When
it comes to veteran players that are on teams and
you have a young receiving corps that is impressed not
only in the preseason but in training camp, that's the
only time you let a visit in predence presence of
a player like Adam Thielen go because you trust what
you've already seen. You trust with those young those young
bulls are put on film. So now we know, you
(15:29):
know what, we're gonna be okay, We're gonna be okay,
and we're gonna let them boys take the torch.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Yeah, and that's your thing. Look, a part of us
all want to go back home. Yeah, you know, Dorothy
Darthy wanted to go back to campus. Was a part
of us with a part of us want to go
back to where it started from. And you know, if
you think about it, what a normally time with a
lot of people escape, what the first place they go
they catch.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Them at home.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Yeah, they go, they go go back to an old,
familiar surrounding. And so I think for Adam, Adam, you know,
he's like, man, I'm from Minnesota. I spent the first
ten years of my career in Minnesota. You know what,
my family, he's probably Minnesota's probably gonna be home for him.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Man.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
I mean, he's probably faking. Didn't know if it would
ever come to fruition. He's probably thinking, Man, I should
I would like to get home. I should would like
to you know, finish player last year or two in Minnesota.
And here it is, he's going home, and Minnesota pull
off a swap to give him a fifth round pick
in twenty sixth and a fourth round in twenty seventh.
(16:32):
Carolina gets a seventh round pick in twenty sixth and
a fifth round in twenty seventh.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
So I think everybody's happy, OTOE. But like you said,
those your young receivers in Carolina, they impressed enough that
Carolina was willing to move off a veteran presence, a
guy that's steady, dependable, you know exactly what you're gonna get.
He's hard working, he's.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
A guy that can minder the young guys, but they say,
you know what, these young guys are ready.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
During Terry mccarr's push for a new contract, age was
cited as a big factor, and the reluctance Terry turns
thirty in miss September that ultimately didn't stop the team
from mcgreen on a three year deal without with the
wide out. At the press conference today, McLaurin was asked
about his response to the concerns that neither he nor
the deal will age. Well, the data is the data,
But I think people they're outliers. There are people who
(17:27):
may not necessarily fit into that set of data. Only
time will tell, But I feel like where things are
in my ability in January, I read like sixty yard
screen for a touchdown.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
My speed hasn't diminished at all. My toughness is there.
If anything, my sadness of flaying receiver has grown.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
Hey, listen, honestly, I'm just listening. All the analytics and
data and stuff that they have based on age and
wear and tear and my amount of miles on your legs,
None of that really matters. None of it really matter.
It only matters to no, it doesn't matter to us
who cut those check that's all. And so they look
at it from a business standpoint. Maybe I won't get
(18:07):
another Terry McLaurin. I can get somebody that can give
me half the production and I can put that money elsewhere.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
That's the way they think. But when it comes to
a team that is on the verge of being able.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
To go to a super Bowl, that has a young
quarterback that you haven't had to pay yet, you want
to make a deal like this happened, which I don't
understand why they were waiting from a business standpoint.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
While we're waiting, are you serious about winning them?
Speaker 3 (18:29):
Getting that deal done for Terry mc lauren lets me
know that they're serious about winning and the quarterback not
having the power or.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
Leverage to be able to go upstairs and say, listen,
we need to get this done. We need to get
it done because we have a small window of opportunity.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Good.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
We have an okay defense, but I understand we can
do offensively if we have number seventeen in this room
for us to make that run. For Lombardi, Hell, we
got to the NFC Championship with him. He was I'm
not sure what percentage, but he was responsible for a
high percentage of that offense, especially to come to throwing
the ball in the air. So what is that to
play about. I don't care what data, I don't care
what analytics say. I know what happens. I know what
(19:03):
he does when you put when you turn that goddamn
film on in seventeen, he gonna show up every time.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
The question is, O Joe, what we don't know. We're
not privy to these conversations. Did he lower the ceiling
or did they raise the floor?
Speaker 4 (19:17):
That's a good that's a good one.
Speaker 5 (19:19):
I got it right.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
That's that's what you and I not privy to those conversations.
So and what I mean by that chat did he
lower his price or did they raise their Did they
raise their offer? And so that's what we don't know.
All we know is that the deal got done. You
and I both think maybe it took a little longer
than probably what it should. But in any negotiation there
(19:42):
needs to be a give and take, because you don't
want someone to begrudgingly give you something and then you
guys become resentful of each other. But by the same token,
you don't want to, like man, feel like you got
screwed over, because now you're gonna feel like, you know,
they tried, they took advantage of you. So I think
(20:04):
at this, at the number that he ended up getting,
I think everybody can live. I think everybody can live
with that. He doesn't have to go in and play
on that filthier option. Now he gets to cut. Now
he gets the well, I think he gets to come
in and get a good number. Like I said, O, Joe,
what what what can he do with thirty two million?
(20:26):
Then he only needed thirty four million to be able
to do.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
Yeah, listen, he comes in fair. It's a respectful it's
a respectful offer. Obviously, not the highest. It's not as
high as you want, obviously because you are thirty. But
they found a happy media, a happy media for him,
his family, wife, kids, they can be happy. The team
is happy. Jadene Daniels gets his Court Daniels, James Damis
gets his receiver on a nice piece sound mindset.
Speaker 4 (20:52):
Now all you can do the business side of is over.
Let's go play football.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
Let's play football and prepare for week one with no distractions.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
We're all good.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Yeah, Because you know they're gonna have to do something
with Laramie Tunso they're gonna have to do something with Luvu.
They you know they what are they gonna do anything
with Marshon Lattimore.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
That's the quest. Jane Daniels is coming up and after
next year.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Uh so you know they have some other pieces and
they needed to get this out of the way so
they don't have this, you know, going into a next
season with Tunso and Lovu and those other and a
few other guys. Oh, Joe, let's go ahead and piece
by piece because in two years you're gonna have to
go see five. I think you ain't Jane Daniels five. Yeah,
(21:36):
you're gonna have to see it, and it's gonna cost
you a chunk of change.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
Now, it's gonna be pretty nice.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Yeah, you have to do something strange. Well a, look,
you have to do something strange to pay that piece change.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
You gotta understand, you got you got three quarterbacks, right,
that's gonna come up and it's gonna break the bank
for their team. So you want to take advantage of
those situations now over there in Houston, boy, you better
back the bring truck up. Down in Washington, you better
be able to back the brink truck up at some point,
I think after the season.
Speaker 4 (22:06):
No, Caleb Williams got one more uh bo Nicks, they're
gonna have to back the brink truck up.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Well he got another year tel yeah, him and.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Caleb, him and bow Nicks and Caleb a gonna to
be at the same time.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
And Jane Daniels all them came out the same track.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, come on to talk to me now,
talk to me nice too. Let me know, show me
how much you love me.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
Uh it's yeah, I've been Look. The thing is, you
try to win as much as you can because when
these quarterbacks, these young quarterbacks, when it's time to dance now,
it kind of inhibits what you're able to do. You
can't just arbitrarily go okay, I'll just go get that
because when you have him on this rookie contract, you
can do that. You can go get a guy and
think about just one year. Okay, I think about just
(22:53):
the now, just the here. But once you once you
pay that guy, and you talking about you're paying a
guy fifty sixty and you're looking at this case, you're
probably talking about somewhere between sixty three and sixty sixty
seven sixty eight million dollars who knows maybe even you
take seven. Yeah, and so you're looking at a quart
of a bill a quarter, you know, a quart of
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a billy a guarantee. So that's that's, that's that's that's
kind of where you're headed now. So with that being said,
I think you know, these guys are these general managers
in the teams are trying to link the lock.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Lock these guys up.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
So we don't want to have to do I've try
to do Larrmy Tumsel, I'm trying to do Lovu. I'm
trying to do Jane Daniels. I'm trying to do whomever else.
Let me go ahead and get do I deal with
one thing. I can fight one battle let a time.
I don't want to spread myself too thin. Let me
fight one battle of a time. Okay, I gotta fight
Jane Daniels. Let me go ahead and get this tank
care of. Okay. I need to deal with Tunsul. I
need to deal with Lovu. I needed whomever. Let me
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deal with one individual at a time, and I think
that they'll be better serve with that.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
But it was it was good that mclau and got
his money.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
You know, Look, whether we like it or not on
your Everybody is losing analytics analytics because guess what else
are everybody using AI? Pretty soon they gonna come with AI.
The team's gonna be using AI to determine I.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
Meant the game, the game of football is still football
at the end of the day. I don't care what technology,
what data, what analytics that that teams try to go
off of certain type of players win you championships. You're
going to need your dogs in there. There's certain things
that analytics and data can't measure. They can't measure skill,
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they can't measure hard Sometimes you got to use your
eyes and goddamn common sense.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
This mf I.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
Don't want to curse this motherfolk, this mofo. He can play,
and because he can play, he can help my team.
And because he can play and help my team, I
got a.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Pain, Joe Ojo that we're gonna come back to that.
We got a very special game joining us right now.
We got all pro all pro safety from the d
Troit Lions led the league and in exception last year, Harry
Is Ladies and gentlemen, Kurbye, Joseph kJ what man.
Speaker 5 (25:07):
I just want to thank you for having.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
Me on here Kurbas, what you got money?
Speaker 5 (25:11):
Boy?
Speaker 4 (25:11):
You got start ceiling?
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Yeah, I see that, I see that. I was saying
the same thing on you. I'm taking the same thing,
the same I ain't never seen nothing like that.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
Why you driving?
Speaker 5 (25:20):
And man, you know I'm in that.
Speaker 6 (25:21):
I'm in that thing that color that looks colored.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
But from where I think, you know, I'm sitting many
many miles away, but that would have looked like.
Speaker 4 (25:33):
It look like you're in space.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
But yeah, yeah, yeah, how you doing? How How was
your How was your off season coming in? Because look,
the last couple of years, you get to the NFC
Championship game, you lose to the divisional round, So how
was your off season?
Speaker 5 (25:52):
Then?
Speaker 1 (25:52):
How do you lose the last two seasons this off
season to get you right where you need to be
coming into this season.
Speaker 6 (25:58):
To be honest, I felt like that last season made
me even hunger, you know, just getting the taste of
like that I can do it, then I'm going to
like achieve it all. That's just how I am as
a person. You know what I'm saying, I'm never gonna
stop that at nine. Like you know what I said,
I got nine interception. I'm not gonna stop at nine.
I'm always gonna try to pr you know, because I
feel like if you're not getting better, you're getting worse.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
M Hey, how was how was camp this year? How's
the body holding up? Obviously? Are you going into are you?
Speaker 3 (26:25):
Uncle always has a saying if you if you limped
to the season, you're gonna limp out the season. How's
your body holding up? How the camp go, and how
you feeling going in the week?
Speaker 5 (26:33):
One man, Honestly, everything went great. Man, I feel like
we had a great camp.
Speaker 6 (26:38):
I just feel like I know now, like you know,
this is like year or four for me, so it's
like a lot of stuff I don't seen before. So
like that that that that's saying. That's saying like, oh,
the more years you play, like the more experience you'll get.
Speaker 5 (26:50):
Like it's that's that's the truth, you know, cliches.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
Look last year, you guys, man, you got up to
this great start. You played pretty well all year, but
these injuries started to mind. You lose a D line,
when you lose a d tackle, you lose a live backup,
you lose a backup, you lose you just kept you
losing player after player, and ag did a great job
and Coach Campbell, your head coach, did a great job
of keeping this team steady, like no matter who we lose, guys, Hey,
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this is why we have fifty three man rosters. Hey, guys,
come in, you do your job. That's all I need
you to do, is your job. It had to be frustrated,
You're like, what damn bro, I mean, at some point
in time, we got to run out of defensive players.
We can't lose anybody else.
Speaker 6 (27:34):
Yeah, last year, that was I never seen nothing like
that in football.
Speaker 5 (27:39):
I never seen I never seen that before.
Speaker 6 (27:41):
That It was I wouldn't say it was frustrating, but
it was kind of heartbreaking just seeing my brothers. You
know what I'm saying, like get injured and stuff, because
nobody wants to get injured in this game, you know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (27:50):
But we love saying this game. Man.
Speaker 6 (27:51):
You know that's what we signed up for. You know,
injuries are going to happen. But like how that happened. Yeah,
I've never seen that before.
Speaker 5 (28:03):
But I felt like I felt like, man, we just
we just.
Speaker 6 (28:07):
Knew what we had to do, you know, I mean,
you know, gods go down. You know what I'm saying,
and if it's something like that that happens, Man, I
feel like I don't pride myself.
Speaker 5 (28:16):
On like just having like I wouldn't said I.
Speaker 6 (28:19):
But I feel like us as a team, we don't
we don't should I say, we don't believe in like
ones and twos.
Speaker 5 (28:27):
You know what I'm saying, the next person, I gotta
go right everyone? Yeah, yeah, Because like I tell I
tell the group all the time, like even everybody.
Speaker 6 (28:34):
Else, it's gonna take all of us to win, you
know what I'm saying. So like, as a team, that's
just what you gotta do.
Speaker 5 (28:39):
You know what I'm saying. When your brother down, man,
you got to step up to play.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
Hey, how different Now I'm gonna say, obviously with a
being being going, I'm one of the ones I've always
come to bat for you guys. Regards to who the
person is calling defensive plays with ag now being with
the Jets, but the same players are still there. So
regards of who's calling the plays from your from your
perspective and your point, are you still allowed the freedom
to be able to do what you want to do
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at the safety position, being that you're as good as
you are being able to have a little freedom to
do what you want.
Speaker 4 (29:11):
Are are you allowed at now?
Speaker 1 (29:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (29:13):
I feel like I wouldn't say now. I always had
a little freedom, especially when AG was there. Just you
know what I'm saying, learning as I go. You know,
I feel like, yeah, the same players are here.
Speaker 5 (29:24):
You know what I'm saying. You know, a g I'm min.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
So you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (29:29):
But you know, he had to go do what he
had to do at the Jets. You know what I'm saying.
I'm wishing them good luck and all.
Speaker 6 (29:34):
But I feel like I don't feel like the level
of play is going to go and decline at all.
You know, if anything, I feel like it'll increase a
lot more.
Speaker 5 (29:41):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (29:42):
Because now I feel like it's just you know, it's
a new coaching staff change.
Speaker 5 (29:46):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (29:46):
Everybody has to go through that coaching staff change and
that that building relationships and the adversity you have to
go through throughout the season, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (29:54):
So I just feel like it's a new turning point,
you know, new chapters.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
Right, That's the thing for me. I'm what I'm thinking.
I think about safety player, you wanted a better season.
Probably I actually be best safety in the NFL, you know,
along with Kyle Hamilton. And to be able to get
the amount of picks you get, there's a certain amount
of freedom that you have to have that. It can't
be schemed, it can't be scripted. It's not excelling those
it's just you being able to have free will to
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make decisions based on your eyes, discipline, and what you see. So,
I know, you have a new coaching staff, and most
of the time you get coaches that come in and
they have I don't want to I think, maybe not
ego for the most part, but I want you to
do things my way and my way only. So I
was just curious if even with the new coaching staff,
are you still allowed to have free will outside of
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the exit and those to be able to play your game.
Speaker 5 (30:42):
Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 6 (30:43):
I feel like like one thing I noticed about like
a lot of a lot of my teammates on the
team is that like we're football players, you know. I
feel like the team does a great job allowing us
to be football players, because you know, football is not
just what you see on paper. It's not going to
be like that in the game, so you got to
understand stuff happened, so you gotta you know, you gotta
play football now, you just got to play football.
Speaker 4 (31:04):
Thank you, Thank you.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
I like that you said that because this is something
that I always struggle with somebody.
Speaker 4 (31:10):
I mean, obviously, when I was.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
Playing you go in, they put they put the scheme,
the taxes, this is what we're running. They do the
exit of the nose. It's a straight line and he
cuts right. I'm like, dude, that's not how it happens
in real time. You got people moving, pushing and tugging.
So it's kind of different out there on the field.
And most of the time I would always tell my
officer coordinator, give me a little freedom to do what
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I do, but I'm gonna stay within the time of
the offense. And the same thing on defense. It's all
about red and reacting in a certain amount of time.
But I'm gonna do everything I can the way you
draw it up. But you got to give me some freedom.
We don't have me out there playing like a goddamn robot. Yeah,
but go ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 4 (31:49):
I'm excited.
Speaker 5 (31:49):
My bad.
Speaker 6 (31:50):
I can't play football like a robot. That it's just
not in me, bro, I got it right.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
No, My question is that you got somebody in your
division that you faced twice a year, that was your
offensive coordinator for a long period of time, and you
know he's drawing up plays to beat the defensive training camp.
You guys are trying to scheme plays to stop the
offensive training camp. So how how fun, how different, how
difficult do you think it'll be to face Ben Johnson.
(32:18):
We know he's one of the best offensive minds in football,
and he happens to be in your division. You played
them twice a year, and they've loaded up. They went
and got drafted the receiver in the second round. They
drafted a tight end in the first round. They shored
up their offensive line. They're seemingly in the preseason and
I don't don't want to put too much on the preseason, Kirby,
but it seems to be there flying around defensively, but
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you know their brad is buttered on the offense. They
got a first round draft pick, they got DJ Moore,
they got Romadoonsa. I think they got a whether Burton.
I think they took Burton in the second round. On Missouri,
they got Loveland and Cole Komet So they're a really
good team. But you know, you familiar with him and
he's familiar with you.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
Guys.
Speaker 6 (32:58):
Hey, I like that you said, because, like you know, Ben,
Ben had to go do what he had to do,
just like a g there. You know, I'm happy for him,
you know what I'm saying. The opportunity. Yeah, they got
some guys over there, you know what I'm saying. But
Ben know what's up with me?
Speaker 4 (33:15):
You know what's up with me? Bro?
Speaker 5 (33:16):
You know what?
Speaker 6 (33:17):
So I'm never going back down away from competition because honestly,
I feel like that he knows the players, and he
knows kind of the scheme we run and stuff. I
feel like it's more of a challenge, you know. So
I feel like it's always always a way to get better,
and I feel like that's a big, big test right there.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
I like it. Hey, Yeah, you know what I would?
Speaker 1 (33:35):
I would this Dan Campbell because when he first got
the job, that man talking about.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Me can do all this, I'm like, what damn? So
what's what's he really?
Speaker 1 (33:47):
When the cameras are not there and it's just you
guys at practice and and you guys are in the
meeting room or you what's Dan Campbell like?
Speaker 6 (33:56):
Honestly, man, I feel like I feel like I feel
like Dan Campbell that's just a great coach.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
You know.
Speaker 6 (34:03):
I feel like he's more of a players coach because
just because he understands, like what, you know, what we
put our body through and what we go through throughout.
Speaker 5 (34:11):
Player, so we kind of understand how everything be.
Speaker 6 (34:14):
I feel like he does a great job of like
taking care of us, and he shows that he's passionate you.
Speaker 5 (34:19):
Know about a lot of things we do.
Speaker 6 (34:21):
Like the reason why he's telling us, Uh, these things
he's telling us just because he wants us to win.
Not only him to win, but he wants us to win.
You know what I'm saying, Like you people, what I'm saying.
It's not just him on the team, it's us because we're.
Speaker 5 (34:31):
Doing this as a group. We're a team. You know
what I'm saying. Rich and won't go together.
Speaker 6 (34:34):
So I feel like he does a great job but
just teaching us that, you know what I'm saying. And
a lot of the drills we do are a lot
of the practices are the meeting, the team meetings and
stuff like that. Man, I just feel like, man, every
time that man, get up, go up on that podium
or whatever he thought about.
Speaker 4 (34:50):
Already go right now, already na, already, right now.
Speaker 5 (34:56):
So I just man, I love coach Campbell. Man, he
does you know what I'm saying? Everything?
Speaker 4 (35:00):
I like it?
Speaker 3 (35:01):
Like, hey, what's your nutrition? Like are you are you
one of those healthy eaters you know, eat eat green
stuff all the time?
Speaker 4 (35:06):
Like are you? Are you big into that?
Speaker 5 (35:08):
I'm gonna survive. You know what I'm saying, I'm gonna
try to eat good.
Speaker 6 (35:14):
But right you know what I'm saying, I'm not gonna
go over the extents and just start myself for not fool.
Speaker 5 (35:21):
I'm gonna eat my.
Speaker 4 (35:22):
See I like it.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
See so that brings me to my next question. Okay, okay, okay,
that's cool. Listen, I want to provide my services. Uh
you know, I'm a meal prep so I can provide
you with meals Monday through Sunday. I only charge twenty
dollars a week. You're a meal prep for Yeah, yeah,
(35:43):
I'm a meal no listen, I'm trying to make sure
you get the greatest output every Sunday or Thursday night
or Monday nights whenever y'all might play and you my
first client. So I'm not taking no for a answer.
I'm not taking no for answer. I'm telling you so,
I'm gonna let the world no listen. I mean nutrition
is from the own, and I thank you for forgiving
(36:05):
the opportunity.
Speaker 4 (36:05):
Okay, bet.
Speaker 5 (36:08):
It's so good. I'll a check y'all, I'll check you out.
Speaker 4 (36:12):
Yeah, I got a new job. I got a new job.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
Kurk uh.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
You guys traded Tim Patrick, Jamison Williams going into it
like Jamison, do you think he's ready to take that
next step? Because we've seen him show so the flashes.
We we know what Amin Rah, we know what he's
gonna do. But now Jamison, you know, and and at
first he was just that guy that tried to get deep.
But now you can just put the ball, you can
hand it to him and he can go hit his head.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
On the gold post.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
You can throw him a smoke screen, jail break screen,
and he can go get the he can go to
the end zone. So what what do you think? What
can we expect to see from from Jamison this year?
Speaker 3 (36:49):
Man?
Speaker 5 (36:51):
Honestly, I'm so I'm so proud of gem On man.
Speaker 6 (36:54):
Jimo is one of the guys that you you know,
you see out there and he just continues to get
pat and you know what I'm saying. And I felt
like this year, I feel like they ain't seen this
Gemo yet. Man, they ain't seen Gamo yet. Well and
so so I ain't you.
Speaker 5 (37:07):
Know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (37:08):
I put it all out though, But Jamo this year,
for sure, I like.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Him ready to run.
Speaker 4 (37:15):
Hey where Brian branch at man?
Speaker 5 (37:18):
Man?
Speaker 2 (37:19):
dB?
Speaker 4 (37:20):
Yeah, Man, I don't know right now, he's probably some
of them. Man.
Speaker 5 (37:24):
That's man.
Speaker 6 (37:24):
That's that's none of the guys on another guy on
the team that continues to.
Speaker 5 (37:28):
Just work hard. Bro Like, hey, bro, his his his
back said his back tools or whatever.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
He used to nice.
Speaker 4 (37:37):
He made he nice. Listen.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
I talked about him. I talked about him all last year.
Matter of fact, he got to the point where it
was almost weird. I tweeted about him and you so much,
to the point where it's like I was like I
was stalking. But listen, I appreciate secondary play, dB play
so much, even though I'm receiver. I was giving y'all,
y'all boys credit weekend and week out just the way
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y'all played the game.
Speaker 4 (38:00):
And y'all approach to the game. So I'm I'm I've always.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
Been a huge fan, especially when you and and and
got damn Brian branch Man, him being able to go
to safety, then sometime having to go to corn.
Speaker 4 (38:10):
I'm like, bro Liken this Swiss army knife.
Speaker 6 (38:14):
He's doing everything right, man, He's super talented. Man, he's
super talented. I feel like one thing he does the
most is like his instincts crazy. Yes, his instinct is crazy.
Him at Nickel and him at safety. It's kind of
the Nicolas kind of out the part. But when they
moved him back to safety, you know.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
What I say?
Speaker 5 (38:35):
With man like the place he made, I just you
know what I'm saying, I'm still wish I made them
to put it like that.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Are your deep?
Speaker 1 (38:46):
Are you a talker? I mean when you're on the
on the field, are you talking to the opposing team?
Is your defense talkers? Or you guys just go play football?
Speaker 6 (38:52):
To be honest, I felt like everybody got their own
little situation going on over Yeah there. Me personally, I
feel like I feel like I own too much. Say nothing,
but somebody pissed me a bro, You're gonna hear me, bro,
like and one. I'm going at you, bro, I'm never
gonna stop.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (39:12):
Is it?
Speaker 4 (39:12):
Is there a player?
Speaker 3 (39:13):
Is there a player that you really don't like that
you'll always go at it? To give you a better
example perspective, Mike Evans and Marshawn Lattimore, Do you have
anybody like that that you go at it.
Speaker 4 (39:24):
With in the NFL? Or not?
Speaker 5 (39:25):
Really got a couple.
Speaker 4 (39:28):
Damn for real?
Speaker 2 (39:29):
Yeah, I got a couple.
Speaker 5 (39:32):
To be going for none of that?
Speaker 4 (39:34):
Is it? Is it? Is it personal?
Speaker 3 (39:35):
Or it's like really serious, like I don't really don't.
I don't see you like that, Like I really don't
see you like that.
Speaker 5 (39:41):
There's only one like that.
Speaker 4 (39:44):
I want to know. I want to know so I
can watch.
Speaker 5 (39:46):
I'll tell you, I tell you.
Speaker 3 (39:47):
I ain't I tell you, Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 6 (39:53):
Because once they find out, they're gonna be trying to separate.
Speaker 4 (39:56):
Okay, Okay, I got you.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
I got you because was he find out, he gonna
try to get you for them.
Speaker 5 (40:03):
Now you know you know him?
Speaker 4 (40:06):
Okay, Okay.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:07):
So obviously your head coach and you mentioned a lot
of the players from the defense and the offense is
still there. Although you lost both of your coordinators, the
expectations are still high. You guys won fifteen games last year.
The year before that, you went to the NFC Championship game. Bro,
it's time. I mean, you know, you only get you
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only get so many bite of the apple curb before
the before the apple's gone that y'all been taking big
y'all been taking big bites.
Speaker 6 (40:36):
Hey, we ain't gonna stop, and we ain't gonna stop
till we get there though. Like, but I don't never
see myself especially like stopping. I feel like a lot
of the things we went through, I feel like it
was to get us to this moment right now. I
feel like we got a lot of guys healthy, We
got guys back, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (40:52):
I feel like, especially the guys that were.
Speaker 6 (40:54):
On the team last year, they kind of understand that
we gave it even more than we did the first year,
but that still wasn't enough, you know what I'm saying.
So you gotta still keep going because now it's just
any minute my new thing going on with the game
that could be the change up the tide of the game,
you know what I'm saying. So just working on the
situations and stuff like that, and then just we got
made plays.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (41:14):
I feel like I feel like a lot of the
things that happen on the field or like playmaking, I
feel like it's not only the coaches getting on us,
but it's ourselves because we got we keep ourselves accountable a.
Speaker 5 (41:27):
Lot of the things. You know what I mean.
Speaker 6 (41:28):
Yeah, Yeah, because it's like I hard my I be
hard on myself when I don't get an exception for
the game, you know, because I feel like, I look,
I leave my team down, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (41:37):
And we might feel the same way if he ain't
get enough sacks, you know what I'm saying. It's just
stuff like that.
Speaker 6 (41:41):
Like you know, i'd be like, you know what I'm
Saying's help each other and keep each other. Like on
points week.
Speaker 1 (41:48):
Sixteen, you got you placed a very familiar opponent. You
were in the same division with this guy, Aaron Rodgers.
He's with the Steelers. Now you've had a lot of
success against Rogers. You're looking forward to that matchup?
Speaker 6 (41:58):
Yeah, yeah, Hey, that's my favorite quarterback though.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
No, oh, you expecting him to store.
Speaker 5 (42:07):
Yeah, that ain't gonna stop. That ain't ain't gonna stop.
But hey, he cool, Oh he cool for sure. Yeah,
I'm trying to see. I'm trying to see if he's
gonna sign one of them.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
I was about to ask you the same thing I say,
you try to get what say?
Speaker 6 (42:22):
Yeah, I'm trying to get one of the ball I'm trying.
I'm trying to at least want of them I got
about I'm trying to I'm just trying to get him signed.
I'm just trying to get him signed.
Speaker 5 (42:36):
I like it.
Speaker 4 (42:36):
That's funny.
Speaker 2 (42:38):
Y'all Play the Steelers week sixteen.
Speaker 4 (42:41):
Hey, y'all, y'all, y'all don't play the Bangles.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
Huh, yeah we do.
Speaker 5 (42:44):
I think we got him on the schedule this year.
Speaker 6 (42:47):
Oh okay, yeah, I think that my first time going
against Joe Burrow.
Speaker 4 (42:52):
Hey, okay, okay.
Speaker 1 (42:53):
You got do you circle? Do you do you circle games?
Do you you look at do you look at the call?
Do you look at the schedule? Like okay, all right, yeah, yeah, yeah,
this mighty okay.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
I like this. I like this one. Do you circle games?
Week five? Y'all? Play the Bengals week five?
Speaker 4 (43:07):
Oh for real, I'm going to the game.
Speaker 3 (43:11):
They playing in Detroit, playing Bank Cincinnati.
Speaker 4 (43:15):
Okay, Okay, I see you Week five. I'm coming out there.
I'm coming out there.
Speaker 5 (43:19):
Sit me out there.
Speaker 4 (43:20):
Yeah, yeah, definitely.
Speaker 6 (43:23):
I feel I don't feel like I got like a
whole bunch of games. But I dude, be having like
revenge games. I have like a revenge game or like
somebody ain't playing like the Bengals, you know what I'm saying, Like, yeah,
like that's one of my games out of circle because
you know, I never.
Speaker 5 (43:36):
Played them before.
Speaker 6 (43:37):
I always like to play different teams, see different people,
to see different players.
Speaker 5 (43:40):
You know.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
Yeah, And you know they got one of the better offenses.
You know your quarterback, you mentioned Joe, they got t
they got a Chase, the triple Crown winner. They're supposed
to be really, really good on that side of the football.
So you guys are really going to have your work
cut out.
Speaker 6 (43:55):
And I see I see a couple of my dogs
out there, Chas Brown and PJ.
Speaker 5 (44:01):
Okay, so them a dog.
Speaker 6 (44:02):
I'm trying to uh, you know, and Jerseys see all
them boys, you know, I say, it's always good to
see you know what I'm saying, your teammates from them
weigh in the back and weighing the past stuff.
Speaker 4 (44:12):
That's dope.
Speaker 1 (44:13):
Well, Kirby Man, best of luck, stay healthy. Thanks for
giving us a few moments of your time tonight. Man,
wishing the Lions the best of luck, and uh you
guys win that division and get to the super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (44:23):
Man, come back and join us and have a conversation
with a.
Speaker 5 (44:25):
Show man for sure.
Speaker 3 (44:26):
Man, go ahead, I'm saying my meal prep. I'm gonna
send you the directions on how to take the food
the mounts. You know, three it's three meals a day,
three meals a day. So I'm gonna send everything to you.
I'm gonna send it to your d M and uh
then I'm gonna mail all the food to you start
next week.
Speaker 5 (44:43):
Okay, hey here for real? Are playing?
Speaker 3 (44:47):
Yeah? I got Youmber, Listen, I'm you my first client.
I'm an NFL nutritionist. I'm going to make sure people
stop getting hurt. Now, if people gonna stop getting hurt,
they're going to be able to put out the best
output because of.
Speaker 4 (45:05):
My meal plan and my meal prep. So boom, all right,
this is what it is. It's what I do.
Speaker 3 (45:10):
Look, I got like three hundred jobs and I just
added one to I just added one.
Speaker 2 (45:14):
And meal Prep ain't one of them.
Speaker 3 (45:18):
Hey, come on, support black business, support black business.
Speaker 6 (45:23):
Look look when we you know what I'm saying, get
off the call.
Speaker 5 (45:26):
You know what I'm saying to hit me. You know
what I'm said, we could do that though.
Speaker 4 (45:28):
I got you, I got you, twin I got But I.
Speaker 5 (45:32):
Do want to thank y'all for having me out here.
Speaker 6 (45:34):
I want to thank God also just for giving me
the opportunity to come out here every day and play football,
you know what I'm saying, and just to get back.
Speaker 5 (45:41):
So appreciate you'all having me.
Speaker 4 (45:43):
That's all love.
Speaker 1 (45:44):
I appreciate you with joining of the man. Appreciate that man.
Take care of stay healthy.
Speaker 2 (45:47):
Man. We're talking to you.
Speaker 5 (45:48):
You're good, all right.
Speaker 2 (45:54):
Support black business, They support black business.
Speaker 4 (45:56):
I'm a meal Prep. Don't do me like that. I'm
just trying to earn a dollar.
Speaker 1 (46:01):
Coach GM Chris Balla said team is not trading Anthony Richardson.
It is easy to say, Okay, he's done. I don't agree.
I've said numerous times I don't agree with that. I
think overcoming challenges and obstacles along the way are good
for anybody. For for anybody I do. I'm proud of
Anthony of where he's at and how far he's come.
He's come miles is tough on any young quarterback in
(46:24):
this league. But for him to keep taking the growth
steps he has and works so hard and not get
the goals for himself all right now, continue to do that,
that's when we've got a chance to see real.
Speaker 2 (46:40):
You like that? Dono you like what he had to say?
Speaker 3 (46:42):
Uly also also from a business from a business side
of things, we know we don't we don't. We know
that the long term answer is not Daniel Jones. We've
seen the small symbit side of what Daniel Jones was
with the New York Giants.
Speaker 2 (46:52):
So to think we saw a big sample side there
wasn't small.
Speaker 3 (46:55):
Okay bad, But to think that Daniel Jones did answered
long term, that's not it. So why would you try
Anthony Richardson. He's only twenty three years old. He's probably
going to.
Speaker 4 (47:03):
Continue to grow, continue to get better.
Speaker 3 (47:05):
Sometimes other quarterbacks reach their potential much sooner than others.
Speaker 4 (47:10):
Maybe gonna take Anthony Richardson a little bit longer.
Speaker 3 (47:13):
Maybe the benching now again and losing this spot is
a blessing in disguise for him.
Speaker 4 (47:19):
To continue to grow, to continue to get.
Speaker 3 (47:20):
Better, and at some point if things aren't going well
in Annapolis with Daniel Jones as the starting quarterback.
Speaker 4 (47:26):
Do you know who's not gonna have to come in and.
Speaker 3 (47:28):
Be that savor for the rest of the season, Brother
Anthony Richardson. Absolutely, they would not let him go or
trade him somewhere else where.
Speaker 4 (47:35):
There is no backup. No, of course not.
Speaker 1 (47:40):
No, I think I don't think he's trading him now.
Now we might be having a different conversation next lot.
Speaker 4 (47:46):
Okay, yeah, that's different.
Speaker 3 (47:47):
Now, that's depending that's depending Daniel Jones and what he
shows us.
Speaker 4 (47:53):
What type of growth maturity from the quarterback position, being
able to execute the offense.
Speaker 3 (47:58):
Facilitate the ball without the turnover, without the mental lapses
that he has from time to time. Now that can
save not just in job, but it's future in Indiannapolis
as well.
Speaker 2 (48:09):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (48:09):
Yes, So if he gets an opportunity, he's gonna have
to take full advantage of it because he's not getting
another chance after this on Joe, he gets back in
there and he doesn't he doesn't take advantage of this opportunity.
They're gonna move on because it becomes cost prohibitive for
them to keep.
Speaker 2 (48:23):
Him on the roster.
Speaker 1 (48:26):
So and you're never gonna get the value for I mean,
you took it with the fourth pick in the draft.
Speaker 2 (48:32):
Yeah, the fourth pick in the draft.
Speaker 1 (48:34):
O Joe, you do realize, like that's supposed to be
at the fourth pick in the draft. You're supposed to
be franchise altery, especially if you're a quarterback.
Speaker 2 (48:42):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (48:43):
I mean, any player that you're taking it that high up,
he's supposed to be fraying. If it's a quarterback, a
running back, a wide receiver, a tight end, he's supposed
to be franchise altering.
Speaker 2 (48:51):
Yeah, and normally you hope, Ojo, you don't have to
bench a guy.
Speaker 1 (48:59):
Now, we'll see how he took to the bench, because
we saw what he did for Bryce Jum. Yeah, let's
see if it can have the same kind of impact
on Richard.
Speaker 3 (49:12):
I hope, so, I hope so, I hope so too. Talent,
he's a he's a phenomenal talent man. Once he puts
it all together, it can be a beautiful thing.
Speaker 1 (49:22):
I mean, look, oh Joe, but but you look at it.
A guy started, he started thirteen games in college. He
Sted started fifteen games in the NFL. That's twenty eight
total starts. Most of the really good, the really good
quarterbacks you'll get, you'll get one or two. You get
a Cam Newton that only starts one year of major
(49:43):
college football thirteen fourteen games and Cam or you get
a Joe Burrow who starts what fourteen fifteen games? And
I think he might have started junior. I'm not sure
if he did. I don't think he started more than
twenty five games. With that being said, most of the time,
these guys you got to get. I mean, that ain't
(50:04):
a whole lot of stars.
Speaker 2 (50:05):
Thirteen.
Speaker 1 (50:06):
Think about Ojo thirteen starts and your project and you
get your top five big and do you know how
mental letalented you must be.
Speaker 4 (50:15):
Yeah. But the bad thing about it is the NFL
is not patient.
Speaker 3 (50:19):
Though the oh well, now, the NFL is not patient
because you have to understand people jobs on the line.
Speaker 4 (50:24):
So when you draft the quarterback that high, that high, and.
Speaker 3 (50:27):
You're expecting to be not only a generational talent of
franchise changing quarterback, you know, listen, the Texans did it.
Speaker 4 (50:35):
Hell, the Commanders did it. So not understanding with not that.
Speaker 1 (50:41):
But look look how many Look how many game Look
how many games Jane Daniels started that he started like
down in fifty games.
Speaker 2 (50:47):
O Joe.
Speaker 4 (50:48):
Yeah, and that's the difference.
Speaker 3 (50:49):
Well, obviously there needs to be a little patience on
the Indianapolis Coast side and that franchise.
Speaker 4 (50:55):
But they don't have that kind of patient.
Speaker 3 (50:56):
They don't have that kind of time because people jobs
are on the line, people job line.
Speaker 1 (51:02):
I can't be patient for the simple fact in three years,
I'm gonna have to give a guy a quarter of
a billion dollars and you're telling me to be patient.
Speaker 2 (51:10):
Now, it's not something like you know, once upoint of time.
Speaker 1 (51:12):
If I can see, O Joe, if it's like if
I got ten cars, you know, I feel like, man,
this car might be worth something. I can sit that
way to the side. I can't sit my man because
growing up on Yo, we had a chevel We had
a Chevel SF with the rally racing stripes down, and
we had all had a Malibu who had all that stuff.
(51:33):
We couldn't set that car side because that was our
everyday car.
Speaker 2 (51:36):
Right.
Speaker 1 (51:38):
I can't stash Anthony Richardson because I need him to
play but I need him to play well because in
three years, I'm gonna have to give him a quarter
of a billion dollars. I'm about to have to get
somebody's about to get a contract for four hundred million,
O Joe, and two hundred and fifty three seventy five
is gonna be guaranteed. So I can't stash it. I
(51:58):
can't be patient it used to be. I'm gonna let
the eggs hatch. Nah, I get my chick lists from
smashing the eggs. Come on up out of the dammit.
I'm just being honored with you, oh Joe. I'm just look,
you've been in the league. I've been in the league.
We've been around the league. That's how it is now.
Ain't nobody waiting, Nobody wait on you listen.
Speaker 3 (52:19):
Most of the time, honestly, you think about owners. Think
about owners, especially in the NFL. They want instant gratification.
They want yes, you know, because most of the owners
they're businessmen, and most of the time what businessmen do
is when they want results right now, they throw money
at it.
Speaker 4 (52:37):
Yes, it doesn't work like that in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (52:39):
No, don't worry.
Speaker 4 (52:40):
It doesn't work like that.
Speaker 3 (52:41):
So the frustration piles up because in other areas of
business and aspects that I have going on around, once
I throw money at.
Speaker 4 (52:47):
Something right away, I get results.
Speaker 3 (52:49):
But it just doesn't work that way when it comes
to NFL and finding an adequate quarterback that you can
rely on for a decade that you can just build around.
Speaker 1 (52:58):
Well, the thing that you and I talk about is
that all of a sudden, you start to base your
success on somebody else's.
Speaker 2 (53:03):
See it.
Speaker 1 (53:04):
They don't have patience because I'm looking around the league
and I see what bo Nicks did. I look around
the league, and I see what Jade Daniels did. I
look around in the league and I see what c J.
Stroud did. So now, hold on, wait, you went higher
than bol.
Speaker 2 (53:20):
Why you not playing like that? Why can't you be
Why can't you be CJ. Stroud? Why can't you be
Jade Daniels.
Speaker 1 (53:26):
So now you're basing your guy's success on someone else's success.
And so now it's almost like, oh, Joe, you looking
at somebody else. You basing your marriage on someone else's. Okay,
they look happy, but you don't know. You don't know
what they put into their marriage to be happy. You
don't know how their coaching said player. You don't know
(53:48):
how he receives information. You don't understand how he processes information.
So with all that being said, you looking at it,
you just looking at it like, well, damn, I see
look at his numbers and look at my quarterback. Now
it's not that black and white. It's not that cut
and dry. There's a lot up There are a lot
of other things that go into it whether or not
(54:10):
a player will be successful. And now I got there,
like okay, Like you said, okay, be patient. Well that's
where you do your homework and if you take it,
if you take it a project, you have to be patient.
Speaker 2 (54:27):
You can't expect them to come out and be like
be like c J. Stroud.
Speaker 1 (54:30):
You can't expect him to be like a Jade Daniels.
You can't expect him to be like Caleb Williams, a
guy that started at Oklahoma what was it Oklahoma and
then he follows a Lincoln ride of the USC. You
can't expect that that man got thirty plus stars on
his bill. You got half that Jane Daniels got like
damn fifty stars. You don't have that. So if you
(54:53):
if it's like oh, Jo. It's like a car, an
old school car. You just can't slap it together. When
people say they're doing a rebuild on a car, they're
gonna take their time and do it. It's gonna take
them years. But the problem is is that I have
other cars I can drive, so I'm not counting on
(55:13):
this car so I can take my tie. Oh yo, bro,
this's pro sports. They're not waiting. They're not waiting those
days of oh and two or three years. Man, look here,
I might be dead. They I might be dead. I
might say I might have sold the team. I'm not waiting,
No two or three years. I need you to get
it right now. And when you don't get it right,
(55:36):
you're not gonna have too many guys that you select
them the top five and they don't pan out.
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two very special guests joining us tonight. Safety from the
Detroit Lions, Kirby Joseph and the big defensive tackle from
the Seattle Seahawks, Leonard Williams joining us a bit later.
But first, oh, your first All Pro safety Kyle Hamilton
and the Ravens have reached an agreement a four year
extension worth one hundred point four million dollars. It's the
(02:48):
largest deal for safety in NFL history and the deal
includes eighty two million dollars. Uh, however, they got a
bigger deal loom me yeah, Lamar Jackson. His said of
cap number is forty three point five million and twenty
five seventy four and a half million in twenty Yes
(03:12):
with Lamar continued, he still represents himself here and his mom.
Are we headed for a long drawn out negotiation or
this is going to be simple and paint.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
It's going to be simple and plain. It's simply the
fact this is quarterback number one. This is the future
of your organization, probably for the next ten years. Obviously,
we saw we saw young Bull down there in Buffalo
get his deal. I forgot what the numbers were, but
I know I think it was in north was maybe
three hundred three thirty something like that.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Yeah, yeah, I think it's over three hundred with two
fifty two fifty guaranteed.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
So obviously Lamar is going to be somewhere, probably going
to leap frog that in some way shape form or fashion. Representation,
being his mom, them having the right people in their corner,
understanding how everything works, being that they've already worked one deal,
so it's pretty easy where the numbers are going to
be and they're going to work it out. And I'm
not maybe I wouldn't be surprised if it happens maybe
(04:06):
before the season or maybe in the middle of the season,
but it's probably going to get done. Is simply when
it comes to certain certain players, when it comes to
certain especially this position, you don't play no games.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
You don't play game in that position.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
So the quarterbacks have nothing to worry about except just
football alone.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Yeah, I like them going ahead and getting this deal
with Kyle or Kyle Hamilton out of the way.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
They tied up.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
The Ravens are normally very very good about this their
homegrown talent. They take care of those guys. They always have.
I believe they're always they always will. You go back
and look at the Jonathan arguments, the Ray Lewis's, the
Tarrell Subbs ed reed, those guys. They take care of
their guys. They've always done that. They took care of
Lamar that they did make Lamar play, you know, or
the franchise tag one year. I was surprised, Well, he
(04:52):
didn't play on a franchise tag. They nobody even put
money down when so, how many guys needed a quarterback
and could given up easily two first round draft picks.
I don't think. I think that's the Gordon rate for
a quarterback of Lamar. Two first round. You'd have been
gladly giving those guys up because you hell, you feel
that when you give those guys up that you're gonna
be so far down in the draft, it's not going
(05:14):
to harm you. You don't think when you get Lamar Jackson
you're gonna be picking in the top ten.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Again.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
What that's being said. They took care of Kyle Hamilton.
Now they can put their attention on Lamar Jackson. I
agree with you. At some point in time, this deal
is gonna get done. They're not going into the season
next year with a seventy five million dollar cap hit
for a quarterback. Could I potentially see them doing something done?
Getting something done? It all depends on him because at
(05:38):
the end of the day, Oho you said it best.
He and his mom are their representation. They do have
an NFLPA attorney. I think that helped them read over
language and probably pay an hourly rate or something like that.
That's better than giving up three to four percent. I'll
pay you hourly. I'll give you, you know, fifty whatever the
case will be. Unlet's just say a round number. Let's
just say a thousand dollars an hour for you to
read over the contract to make sure everything going to
(06:00):
up and up.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
All the languages is what it needs. To be.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
But with that being said, he's not going in the
next season with no seventy five million dollars. That's for
damn absolutely, and I think it's going to be. It's
going to happen sooner rather than later that he's going
to get something done. And I can see I agree
with you, I can see them somewhere at some point
in time getting a deal done. If he wants to
get it done, he might say, well, if we don't
(06:25):
get this thing done by the first game, I've done
talking contracts until after the seventh.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Obviously, when you think about someone like Lamar, someone like
Lamar that I know personally, he's strictly football when it
comes to the business side of things. Obviously has mom
right there to handle those issues. But Lamar is one
that just wants to play football, and we understand the
nature of the business and you don't want to get
yourself in any type of distract your situations that can
take you from said game of football. But obviously his
(06:53):
his eye is on the prize, and the eyes on
the prize had nothing to do with money because he's
already been paid. So his focus is on doing what
we need to do to dominate in the AFC North
and contend and get ourselves to for one the playoffs
and to get get over the hump of getting out
the playoffs and having a chance of that.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
God damn Lombardi.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
You're absolutely right. Look, the guy's a two time MVP.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
No no, no, no, you're not gonna pay no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
He's a three time MVP. Say he's a three time MVP.
Now they took one of those m vps from him
based on one of the best statistical seasons from a
quarterback in the history of the game. So it was
that I love Josh Allen, but last year's MVP was
a damn here.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
That's what that was.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
I'm just being I'm just I'm just being realistic. That's
what I'm damn here, that's what that was.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
And uh, but you're paying.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
You're gonna pay Lamar Jackson, the guy that's not even
thirty years of age, yet you're gonna pay him. You
believe the next five or seven years he'll still put
up the kind of numbers that he's been putting up
the last three to four years. Thirty forty pass touchdowns
still can give you somewhere between five and eight hundred
rush yards, low turnover rate. Like you said, he just
(08:11):
needs to get over that hunt. He just needs to
get that one time to play like Lamar Jackson in
the regular season, because so many times we've seen him.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
He went like a stretch where he had eight nine games,
don Joe.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
He ain't turned the ball over, he didn't fumble the ball,
he didn't throw a pick, he did none of that,
and then he got I think in that playoff game,
the Divisional round against Baltimore, he ended up having two turnovers.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Look, he still had him in position.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
If the tight end, if he catches that Mark Andrews,
if he catches that two point play, now we're possibly
in the overtime or I mean, the defense is gonna
have to stand to keep josh Avin out a field
goal range and then we go to overtime. We'll never know,
but we have yet to see Lamar Jackson play in
a big time game come postseason, like the Lamar Jackson
(08:56):
that we thought should have won the MVP, see Kevin,
if that guy showed up, they go into the supermow absolutely,
And that's and that's and that's what we that's what
we keep expecting.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Old Joe.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
That's what we keep wanting to see because we know
it have we had, he has it in him because
we've seen him. It's not like we're asking We're not
asking Lamar Jackson to do anything. He has not put
on tape in the regular season. That's the only thing,
because we've seen him put on tape. He throw for
three hundred, he'll rush for sixty seventy eighty yards. We've
(09:25):
seen him have three touchdown passes, two touchdown Russian. So
we're not asking him to do anything that we have
not already seen with our own eyes. It's just that
in the playoffs, more times than not he's turned the
ball over and once he gets that out of his way,
you know, and sometimes it takes others longer than live.
We've gotten spoiled. Tom Brady win his first second your
(09:46):
first year starting, he went uh Patrick Mahomes. This first
year starting, he goes to the FC Championship Game. The
next year, his second year starting, he wins. He wins
the Super Bowl, he wins regular season MVP, and same
thing with Lamars. Think about it, Lamar, his first year
is starting, he won Super he won the MVP, so
we know who what he can capable of. We just
(10:08):
need him to be that person come playoff, and if
he does that, the Ravens is gonna be hell because
the Ravens got they got a heck of a football team.
They got a heck of a football team. I think
John Harbor is an unbelievable coach. Defensively, they got guys
that fly around to the football. They got Jahie Alexander,
they got Wiggins outside, they got Marlon hump in the slide.
They got Hamilton, they took it Safty. I think they
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took another safety in the first round. They're good now,
ro Kwan Smith, the look that loaded. They're loaded. They
got Bateman, they got the other flyers, uh the running
back with look ricard is back. They got dead Henry.
They got a Stalian's back, Lamar. They are loaded.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
Now.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Lively is gonna be out a little whitecause I think
he got dealing with a foot injury. But they got
Matt Andrews, who's been an All Pro, who's gone to
multiple Pro Bowls. This team is loaded. This team is
a quipped and they should. You'd be thinking, hey, we
got to take care of our We got to take
care of business and win our division. But they should
have loftier expectations based on the personnel that they have
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on the team and based on the coach the coaching
staff that they have. But yeah, Lamar, they're gonna get
something done. Forty three point five million. That's not excessive
as far as the cap ojo.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
But seventy five what else we got here?
Speaker 1 (11:31):
The Panthers trade Adam Feeling to the Vikings that the
veteran receiver returns home. He is from Minnesota. The teams
agreed to pop to swap picks. The Vikings gave up
a fifth round pick in twenty six and a fourth
round pick in twenty seven. Carolina years a conditional seventh
round pick in twenty six and a fifth round in
twenty seven.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Oh Joe. Did the Vikings get better bringing him back?
Speaker 3 (11:53):
I think they got better, just the veteran presidents in general,
just veteran president general having obviously Jordan Madison's going to
be out, so you have Adam that can come in
right now and play. And if you think about it,
I'm sure people probably don't see, you probably don't know.
But Adam Feeling and JJ McCarthy, they they worked out
in all season together they were getting, even though that's
not his quarterback, they were getting some routes, and so
there's a little bit of.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
Chemission and familiarity in that area in that sense.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
So really, Adam Thineling coming back, being able, being able
to acclimate right back to that offense, right back at home.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
I think they're gonna be fine.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
It's a great addition for them, and obviously them the
Panthers letting them go. Let you know how good and
how much they believe in that young receiving.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Jimmy Horn made the act the roster. Yeah, but you
Jimmy Horn Junior made the act.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
God damn right, Jimmy Horan was gonna make it.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Jimmy Horn is one of the better rookies in the NFL,
especially when it comes to rock running and being able
to create separation and get open.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
So I understood that. Hell, Jimmy was so goddamn good.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
They let brother Hunter winfro Brother Hunter winfro Go and
winfro is one, if considered one of the better rock
runners and also a creating separation to be able.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
To get open.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
But that's how good, that's how good they are. Obviously,
I'm very very high, very very high. And I've spoke
highly of that receiving Corps over there in Carolina, and
if they're if they're to have a year and want
to compete not only in that division, but have a
successful season, it's going to be upun that receiving Corps
leading brother Bryce.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
Young to the Promised Land.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
So outside of that, I'm happy for Adam Thieling. He's
gonna be just fine back in Minnesota, JJ McCarthy, Justin Jefferson,
Adam Thielen. And when Jordan Madison comes back, that's a
nice trio to have, very nice trial.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Yeah, and you still got Howkinson, Who's who's another year
removed from that Andre Aaron Jones in the backfield. Yeah,
I liked I like to move. This is a Carolina's opportunity.
I mean, I would have liked for him to stay
there and help mentor though some of those young receivers
on jo that they have in Carolina, But the Carolina's
looked like, it's our guys. It's time for them to
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grow up. It's time for them to grow up. We're
counting on these young guys. You got to make me
you got look at you got Aylen Coker. Coker, you
got called Jimmy Horn Jr. Like you said, so they
got some young talent. Now it's just time for them.
They don't have a what you call a veteran presence
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in that locker room on your at the receiver position.
They have veterans on the team, but I like to
move what. I've been disappointed if Carolina said no. But
they said, you know what for a fourth round pick
in twenty seven?
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we go ahead. We let y'all
have we, let y'all have this.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
And I understand Minnesota because, like you said, Jeorde Addison's
gonna be gone for three games. So now we got
somebody to come in that a veteran presence that understands
the gravity and the magnitude of these games that.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
They can't like.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
They're in a very tough division, Ojo that Green Bay
is in that division, Detroit's in that division. We believe
Chicago would be better than in that division. So Detroit's like, nah,
we don't really have any excuses, We don't have any slippage.
We want to get off hit the ground running, and
I think Adam Thieland gives them a great opportunity to
do that. So I like betrayed for both. But if
Carolina said, nah, to keep Adam thieling and to help
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him groom some of these young guys, I wouldn't have
been upset at that.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
If you have to understand why they let him go.
I think people in the chest need to understand. When
it comes to veteran players that are on teams and
you have a young receiving corps that is impressed not
only in the preseason but in training camp, that's the
only time you let a visit in predence presence of
a player like Adam Thielen go because you trust what
you've already seen. You trust with those young those young
bulls are put on film. So now we know, you
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know what, we're gonna be okay, We're gonna be okay,
and we're gonna let them boys take the torch.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Yeah, and that's your thing. Look, a part of us
all want to go back home. Yeah, you know, Dorothy
Darthy wanted to go back to campus. Was a part
of us with a part of us want to go
back to where it started from. And you know, if
you think about it, what a normally time with a
lot of people escape, what the first place they go
they catch.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Them at home.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Yeah, they go, they go go back to an old,
familiar surrounding. And so I think for Adam, Adam, you know,
he's like, man, I'm from Minnesota. I spent the first
ten years of my career in Minnesota. You know what,
my family, he's probably Minnesota's probably gonna be home for him.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Man.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
I mean, he's probably faking. Didn't know if it would
ever come to fruition. He's probably thinking, Man, I should
I would like to get home. I should would like
to you know, finish player last year or two in Minnesota.
And here it is, he's going home, and Minnesota pull
off a swap to give him a fifth round pick
in twenty sixth and a fourth round in twenty seventh.
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Carolina gets a seventh round pick in twenty sixth and
a fifth round in twenty seventh.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
So I think everybody's happy, OTOE. But like you said,
those your young receivers in Carolina, they impressed enough that
Carolina was willing to move off a veteran presence, a
guy that's steady, dependable, you know exactly what you're gonna get.
He's hard working, he's.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
A guy that can minder the young guys, but they say,
you know what, these young guys are ready.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
During Terry mccarr's push for a new contract, age was
cited as a big factor, and the reluctance Terry turns
thirty in miss September that ultimately didn't stop the team
from mcgreen on a three year deal without with the
wide out. At the press conference today, McLaurin was asked
about his response to the concerns that neither he nor
the deal will age. Well, the data is the data,
But I think people they're outliers. There are people who
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may not necessarily fit into that set of data. Only
time will tell, But I feel like where things are
in my ability in January, I read like sixty yard
screen for a touchdown.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
My speed hasn't diminished at all. My toughness is there.
If anything, my sadness of flaying receiver has grown.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
Hey, listen, honestly, I'm just listening. All the analytics and
data and stuff that they have based on age and
wear and tear and my amount of miles on your legs,
None of that really matters. None of it really matter.
It only matters to no, it doesn't matter to us
who cut those check that's all. And so they look
at it from a business standpoint. Maybe I won't get
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another Terry McLaurin. I can get somebody that can give
me half the production and I can put that money elsewhere.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
That's the way they think. But when it comes to
a team that is on the verge of being able.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
To go to a super Bowl, that has a young
quarterback that you haven't had to pay yet, you want
to make a deal like this happened, which I don't
understand why they were waiting from a business standpoint.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
While we're waiting, are you serious about winning them?
Speaker 3 (18:29):
Getting that deal done for Terry mc lauren lets me
know that they're serious about winning and the quarterback not
having the power or.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
Leverage to be able to go upstairs and say, listen,
we need to get this done. We need to get
it done because we have a small window of opportunity.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Good.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
We have an okay defense, but I understand we can
do offensively if we have number seventeen in this room
for us to make that run. For Lombardi, Hell, we
got to the NFC Championship with him. He was I'm
not sure what percentage, but he was responsible for a
high percentage of that offense, especially to come to throwing
the ball in the air. So what is that to
play about. I don't care what data, I don't care
what analytics say. I know what happens. I know what
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he does when you put when you turn that goddamn
film on in seventeen, he gonna show up every time.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
The question is, O Joe, what we don't know. We're
not privy to these conversations. Did he lower the ceiling
or did they raise the floor?
Speaker 4 (19:17):
That's a good that's a good one.
Speaker 5 (19:19):
I got it right.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
That's that's what you and I not privy to those conversations.
So and what I mean by that chat did he
lower his price or did they raise their Did they
raise their offer? And so that's what we don't know.
All we know is that the deal got done. You
and I both think maybe it took a little longer
than probably what it should. But in any negotiation there
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needs to be a give and take, because you don't
want someone to begrudgingly give you something and then you
guys become resentful of each other. But by the same token,
you don't want to, like man, feel like you got
screwed over, because now you're gonna feel like, you know,
they tried, they took advantage of you. So I think
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at this, at the number that he ended up getting,
I think everybody can live. I think everybody can live
with that. He doesn't have to go in and play
on that filthier option. Now he gets to cut. Now
he gets the well, I think he gets to come
in and get a good number. Like I said, O, Joe,
what what what can he do with thirty two million?
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Then he only needed thirty four million to be able
to do.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
Yeah, listen, he comes in fair. It's a respectful it's
a respectful offer. Obviously, not the highest. It's not as
high as you want, obviously because you are thirty. But
they found a happy media, a happy media for him,
his family, wife, kids, they can be happy. The team
is happy. Jadene Daniels gets his Court Daniels, James Damis
gets his receiver on a nice piece sound mindset.
Speaker 4 (20:52):
Now all you can do the business side of is over.
Let's go play football.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
Let's play football and prepare for week one with no distractions.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
We're all good.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Yeah, Because you know they're gonna have to do something
with Laramie Tunso they're gonna have to do something with Luvu.
They you know they what are they gonna do anything
with Marshon Lattimore.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
That's the quest. Jane Daniels is coming up and after
next year.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Uh so you know they have some other pieces and
they needed to get this out of the way so
they don't have this, you know, going into a next
season with Tunso and Lovu and those other and a
few other guys. Oh, Joe, let's go ahead and piece
by piece because in two years you're gonna have to
go see five. I think you ain't Jane Daniels five. Yeah,
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you're gonna have to see it, and it's gonna cost
you a chunk of change.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
Now, it's gonna be pretty nice.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Yeah, you have to do something strange. Well a, look,
you have to do something strange to pay that piece change.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
You gotta understand, you got you got three quarterbacks, right,
that's gonna come up and it's gonna break the bank
for their team. So you want to take advantage of
those situations now over there in Houston, boy, you better
back the bring truck up. Down in Washington, you better
be able to back the brink truck up at some point,
I think after the season.
Speaker 4 (22:06):
No, Caleb Williams got one more uh bo Nicks, they're
gonna have to back the brink truck up.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Well he got another year tel yeah, him and.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Caleb, him and bow Nicks and Caleb a gonna to
be at the same time.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
And Jane Daniels all them came out the same track.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, come on to talk to me now,
talk to me nice too. Let me know, show me
how much you love me.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
Uh it's yeah, I've been Look. The thing is, you
try to win as much as you can because when
these quarterbacks, these young quarterbacks, when it's time to dance now,
it kind of inhibits what you're able to do. You
can't just arbitrarily go okay, I'll just go get that
because when you have him on this rookie contract, you
can do that. You can go get a guy and
think about just one year. Okay, I think about just
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the now, just the here. But once you once you
pay that guy, and you talking about you're paying a
guy fifty sixty and you're looking at this case, you're
probably talking about somewhere between sixty three and sixty sixty
seven sixty eight million dollars who knows maybe even you
take seven. Yeah, and so you're looking at a quart
of a bill a quarter, you know, a quart of
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a billy a guarantee. So that's that's, that's that's that's
kind of where you're headed now. So with that being said,
I think you know, these guys are these general managers
in the teams are trying to link the lock.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Lock these guys up.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
So we don't want to have to do I've try
to do Larrmy Tumsel, I'm trying to do Lovu. I'm
trying to do Jane Daniels. I'm trying to do whomever else.
Let me go ahead and get do I deal with
one thing. I can fight one battle let a time.
I don't want to spread myself too thin. Let me
fight one battle of a time. Okay, I gotta fight
Jane Daniels. Let me go ahead and get this tank
care of. Okay. I need to deal with Tunsul. I
need to deal with Lovu. I needed whomever. Let me
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deal with one individual at a time, and I think
that they'll be better serve with that.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
But it was it was good that mclau and got
his money.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
You know, Look, whether we like it or not on
your Everybody is losing analytics analytics because guess what else
are everybody using AI? Pretty soon they gonna come with AI.
The team's gonna be using AI to determine I.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
Meant the game, the game of football is still football
at the end of the day. I don't care what technology,
what data, what analytics that that teams try to go
off of certain type of players win you championships. You're
going to need your dogs in there. There's certain things
that analytics and data can't measure. They can't measure skill,
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they can't measure hard Sometimes you got to use your
eyes and goddamn common sense.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
This mf I.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
Don't want to curse this motherfolk, this mofo. He can play,
and because he can play, he can help my team.
And because he can play and help my team, I
got a.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Pain, Joe Ojo that we're gonna come back to that.
We got a very special game joining us right now.
We got all pro all pro safety from the d
Troit Lions led the league and in exception last year, Harry
Is Ladies and gentlemen, Kurbye, Joseph kJ what man.
Speaker 5 (25:07):
I just want to thank you for having.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
Me on here Kurbas, what you got money?
Speaker 5 (25:11):
Boy?
Speaker 4 (25:11):
You got start ceiling?
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Yeah, I see that, I see that. I was saying
the same thing on you. I'm taking the same thing,
the same I ain't never seen nothing like that.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
Why you driving?
Speaker 5 (25:20):
And man, you know I'm in that.
Speaker 6 (25:21):
I'm in that thing that color that looks colored.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
But from where I think, you know, I'm sitting many
many miles away, but that would have looked like.
Speaker 4 (25:33):
It look like you're in space.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
But yeah, yeah, yeah, how you doing? How How was
your How was your off season coming in? Because look,
the last couple of years, you get to the NFC
Championship game, you lose to the divisional round, So how
was your off season?
Speaker 5 (25:52):
Then?
Speaker 1 (25:52):
How do you lose the last two seasons this off
season to get you right where you need to be
coming into this season.
Speaker 6 (25:58):
To be honest, I felt like that last season made
me even hunger, you know, just getting the taste of
like that I can do it, then I'm going to
like achieve it all. That's just how I am as
a person. You know what I'm saying, I'm never gonna
stop that at nine. Like you know what I said,
I got nine interception. I'm not gonna stop at nine.
I'm always gonna try to pr you know, because I
feel like if you're not getting better, you're getting worse.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
M Hey, how was how was camp this year? How's
the body holding up? Obviously? Are you going into are you?
Speaker 3 (26:25):
Uncle always has a saying if you if you limped
to the season, you're gonna limp out the season. How's
your body holding up? How the camp go, and how
you feeling going in the week?
Speaker 5 (26:33):
One man, Honestly, everything went great. Man, I feel like
we had a great camp.
Speaker 6 (26:38):
I just feel like I know now, like you know,
this is like year or four for me, so it's
like a lot of stuff I don't seen before. So
like that that that that's saying. That's saying like, oh,
the more years you play, like the more experience you'll get.
Speaker 5 (26:50):
Like it's that's that's the truth, you know, cliches.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
Look last year, you guys, man, you got up to
this great start. You played pretty well all year, but
these injuries started to mind. You lose a D line,
when you lose a d tackle, you lose a live backup,
you lose a backup, you lose you just kept you
losing player after player, and ag did a great job
and Coach Campbell, your head coach, did a great job
of keeping this team steady, like no matter who we lose, guys, Hey,
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this is why we have fifty three man rosters. Hey, guys,
come in, you do your job. That's all I need
you to do, is your job. It had to be frustrated,
You're like, what damn bro, I mean, at some point
in time, we got to run out of defensive players.
We can't lose anybody else.
Speaker 6 (27:34):
Yeah, last year, that was I never seen nothing like
that in football.
Speaker 5 (27:39):
I never seen I never seen that before.
Speaker 6 (27:41):
That It was I wouldn't say it was frustrating, but
it was kind of heartbreaking just seeing my brothers. You
know what I'm saying, like get injured and stuff, because
nobody wants to get injured in this game, you know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (27:50):
But we love saying this game. Man.
Speaker 6 (27:51):
You know that's what we signed up for. You know,
injuries are going to happen. But like how that happened. Yeah,
I've never seen that before.
Speaker 5 (28:03):
But I felt like I felt like, man, we just
we just.
Speaker 6 (28:07):
Knew what we had to do, you know, I mean,
you know, gods go down. You know what I'm saying,
and if it's something like that that happens, Man, I
feel like I don't pride myself.
Speaker 5 (28:16):
On like just having like I wouldn't said I.
Speaker 6 (28:19):
But I feel like us as a team, we don't
we don't should I say, we don't believe in like
ones and twos.
Speaker 5 (28:27):
You know what I'm saying, the next person, I gotta
go right everyone? Yeah, yeah, Because like I tell I
tell the group all the time, like even everybody.
Speaker 6 (28:34):
Else, it's gonna take all of us to win, you
know what I'm saying. So like, as a team, that's
just what you gotta do.
Speaker 5 (28:39):
You know what I'm saying. When your brother down, man,
you got to step up to play.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
Hey, how different Now I'm gonna say, obviously with a
being being going, I'm one of the ones I've always
come to bat for you guys. Regards to who the
person is calling defensive plays with ag now being with
the Jets, but the same players are still there. So
regards of who's calling the plays from your from your
perspective and your point, are you still allowed the freedom
to be able to do what you want to do
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at the safety position, being that you're as good as
you are being able to have a little freedom to
do what you want.
Speaker 4 (29:11):
Are are you allowed at now?
Speaker 1 (29:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (29:13):
I feel like I wouldn't say now. I always had
a little freedom, especially when AG was there. Just you
know what I'm saying, learning as I go. You know,
I feel like, yeah, the same players are here.
Speaker 5 (29:24):
You know what I'm saying. You know, a g I'm min.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
So you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (29:29):
But you know, he had to go do what he
had to do at the Jets. You know what I'm saying.
I'm wishing them good luck and all.
Speaker 6 (29:34):
But I feel like I don't feel like the level
of play is going to go and decline at all.
You know, if anything, I feel like it'll increase a
lot more.
Speaker 5 (29:41):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (29:42):
Because now I feel like it's just you know, it's
a new coaching staff change.
Speaker 5 (29:46):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (29:46):
Everybody has to go through that coaching staff change and
that that building relationships and the adversity you have to
go through throughout the season, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (29:54):
So I just feel like it's a new turning point,
you know, new chapters.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
Right, That's the thing for me. I'm what I'm thinking.
I think about safety player, you wanted a better season.
Probably I actually be best safety in the NFL, you know,
along with Kyle Hamilton. And to be able to get
the amount of picks you get, there's a certain amount
of freedom that you have to have that. It can't
be schemed, it can't be scripted. It's not excelling those
it's just you being able to have free will to
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make decisions based on your eyes, discipline, and what you see. So,
I know, you have a new coaching staff, and most
of the time you get coaches that come in and
they have I don't want to I think, maybe not
ego for the most part, but I want you to
do things my way and my way only. So I
was just curious if even with the new coaching staff,
are you still allowed to have free will outside of
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the exit and those to be able to play your game.
Speaker 5 (30:42):
Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 6 (30:43):
I feel like like one thing I noticed about like
a lot of a lot of my teammates on the
team is that like we're football players, you know. I
feel like the team does a great job allowing us
to be football players, because you know, football is not
just what you see on paper. It's not going to
be like that in the game, so you got to
understand stuff happened, so you gotta you know, you gotta
play football now, you just got to play football.
Speaker 4 (31:04):
Thank you, Thank you.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
I like that you said that because this is something
that I always struggle with somebody.
Speaker 4 (31:10):
I mean, obviously, when I was.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
Playing you go in, they put they put the scheme,
the taxes, this is what we're running. They do the
exit of the nose. It's a straight line and he
cuts right. I'm like, dude, that's not how it happens
in real time. You got people moving, pushing and tugging.
So it's kind of different out there on the field.
And most of the time I would always tell my
officer coordinator, give me a little freedom to do what
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I do, but I'm gonna stay within the time of
the offense. And the same thing on defense. It's all
about red and reacting in a certain amount of time.
But I'm gonna do everything I can the way you
draw it up. But you got to give me some freedom.
We don't have me out there playing like a goddamn robot. Yeah,
but go ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 4 (31:49):
I'm excited.
Speaker 5 (31:49):
My bad.
Speaker 6 (31:50):
I can't play football like a robot. That it's just
not in me, bro, I got it right.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
No, My question is that you got somebody in your
division that you faced twice a year, that was your
offensive coordinator for a long period of time, and you
know he's drawing up plays to beat the defensive training camp.
You guys are trying to scheme plays to stop the
offensive training camp. So how how fun, how different, how
difficult do you think it'll be to face Ben Johnson.
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We know he's one of the best offensive minds in football,
and he happens to be in your division. You played
them twice a year, and they've loaded up. They went
and got drafted the receiver in the second round. They
drafted a tight end in the first round. They shored
up their offensive line. They're seemingly in the preseason and
I don't don't want to put too much on the preseason, Kirby,
but it seems to be there flying around defensively, but
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you know their brad is buttered on the offense. They
got a first round draft pick, they got DJ Moore,
they got Romadoonsa. I think they got a whether Burton.
I think they took Burton in the second round. On Missouri,
they got Loveland and Cole Komet So they're a really
good team. But you know, you familiar with him and
he's familiar with you.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
Guys.
Speaker 6 (32:58):
Hey, I like that you said, because, like you know, Ben,
Ben had to go do what he had to do,
just like a g there. You know, I'm happy for him,
you know what I'm saying. The opportunity. Yeah, they got
some guys over there, you know what I'm saying. But
Ben know what's up with me?
Speaker 4 (33:15):
You know what's up with me? Bro?
Speaker 5 (33:16):
You know what?
Speaker 6 (33:17):
So I'm never going back down away from competition because honestly,
I feel like that he knows the players, and he
knows kind of the scheme we run and stuff. I
feel like it's more of a challenge, you know. So
I feel like it's always always a way to get better,
and I feel like that's a big, big test right there.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
I like it. Hey, Yeah, you know what I would?
Speaker 1 (33:35):
I would this Dan Campbell because when he first got
the job, that man talking about.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Me can do all this, I'm like, what damn? So
what's what's he really?
Speaker 1 (33:47):
When the cameras are not there and it's just you
guys at practice and and you guys are in the
meeting room or you what's Dan Campbell like?
Speaker 6 (33:56):
Honestly, man, I feel like I feel like I feel
like Dan Campbell that's just a great coach.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
You know.
Speaker 6 (34:03):
I feel like he's more of a players coach because
just because he understands, like what, you know, what we
put our body through and what we go through throughout.
Speaker 5 (34:11):
Player, so we kind of understand how everything be.
Speaker 6 (34:14):
I feel like he does a great job of like
taking care of us, and he shows that he's passionate you.
Speaker 5 (34:19):
Know about a lot of things we do.
Speaker 6 (34:21):
Like the reason why he's telling us, Uh, these things
he's telling us just because he wants us to win.
Not only him to win, but he wants us to win.
You know what I'm saying, Like you people, what I'm saying.
It's not just him on the team, it's us because we're.
Speaker 5 (34:31):
Doing this as a group. We're a team. You know
what I'm saying. Rich and won't go together.
Speaker 6 (34:34):
So I feel like he does a great job but
just teaching us that, you know what I'm saying. And
a lot of the drills we do are a lot
of the practices are the meeting, the team meetings and
stuff like that. Man, I just feel like, man, every
time that man, get up, go up on that podium
or whatever he thought about.
Speaker 4 (34:50):
Already go right now, already na, already, right now.
Speaker 5 (34:56):
So I just man, I love coach Campbell. Man, he
does you know what I'm saying? Everything?
Speaker 4 (35:00):
I like it?
Speaker 3 (35:01):
Like, hey, what's your nutrition? Like are you are you
one of those healthy eaters you know, eat eat green
stuff all the time?
Speaker 4 (35:06):
Like are you? Are you big into that?
Speaker 5 (35:08):
I'm gonna survive. You know what I'm saying, I'm gonna
try to eat good.
Speaker 6 (35:14):
But right you know what I'm saying, I'm not gonna
go over the extents and just start myself for not fool.
Speaker 5 (35:21):
I'm gonna eat my.
Speaker 4 (35:22):
See I like it.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
See so that brings me to my next question. Okay, okay, okay,
that's cool. Listen, I want to provide my services. Uh
you know, I'm a meal prep so I can provide
you with meals Monday through Sunday. I only charge twenty
dollars a week. You're a meal prep for Yeah, yeah,
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I'm a meal no listen, I'm trying to make sure
you get the greatest output every Sunday or Thursday night
or Monday nights whenever y'all might play and you my
first client. So I'm not taking no for a answer.
I'm not taking no for answer. I'm telling you so,
I'm gonna let the world no listen. I mean nutrition
is from the own, and I thank you for forgiving
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the opportunity.
Speaker 4 (36:05):
Okay, bet.
Speaker 5 (36:08):
It's so good. I'll a check y'all, I'll check you out.
Speaker 4 (36:12):
Yeah, I got a new job. I got a new job.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
Kurk uh.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
You guys traded Tim Patrick, Jamison Williams going into it
like Jamison, do you think he's ready to take that
next step? Because we've seen him show so the flashes.
We we know what Amin Rah, we know what he's
gonna do. But now Jamison, you know, and and at
first he was just that guy that tried to get deep.
But now you can just put the ball, you can
hand it to him and he can go hit his head.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
On the gold post.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
You can throw him a smoke screen, jail break screen,
and he can go get the he can go to
the end zone. So what what do you think? What
can we expect to see from from Jamison this year?
Speaker 3 (36:49):
Man?
Speaker 5 (36:51):
Honestly, I'm so I'm so proud of gem On man.
Speaker 6 (36:54):
Jimo is one of the guys that you you know,
you see out there and he just continues to get
pat and you know what I'm saying. And I felt
like this year, I feel like they ain't seen this
Gemo yet. Man, they ain't seen Gamo yet. Well and
so so I ain't you.
Speaker 5 (37:07):
Know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (37:08):
I put it all out though, But Jamo this year,
for sure, I like.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Him ready to run.
Speaker 4 (37:15):
Hey where Brian branch at man?
Speaker 5 (37:18):
Man?
Speaker 2 (37:19):
dB?
Speaker 4 (37:20):
Yeah, Man, I don't know right now, he's probably some
of them. Man.
Speaker 5 (37:24):
That's man.
Speaker 6 (37:24):
That's that's none of the guys on another guy on
the team that continues to.
Speaker 5 (37:28):
Just work hard. Bro Like, hey, bro, his his his
back said his back tools or whatever.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
He used to nice.
Speaker 4 (37:37):
He made he nice. Listen.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
I talked about him. I talked about him all last year.
Matter of fact, he got to the point where it
was almost weird. I tweeted about him and you so much,
to the point where it's like I was like I
was stalking. But listen, I appreciate secondary play, dB play
so much, even though I'm receiver. I was giving y'all,
y'all boys credit weekend and week out just the way
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y'all played the game.
Speaker 4 (38:00):
And y'all approach to the game. So I'm I'm I've always.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
Been a huge fan, especially when you and and and
got damn Brian branch Man, him being able to go
to safety, then sometime having to go to corn.
Speaker 4 (38:10):
I'm like, bro Liken this Swiss army knife.
Speaker 6 (38:14):
He's doing everything right, man, He's super talented. Man, he's
super talented. I feel like one thing he does the
most is like his instincts crazy. Yes, his instinct is crazy.
Him at Nickel and him at safety. It's kind of
the Nicolas kind of out the part. But when they
moved him back to safety, you know.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
What I say?
Speaker 5 (38:35):
With man like the place he made, I just you
know what I'm saying, I'm still wish I made them
to put it like that.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Are your deep?
Speaker 1 (38:46):
Are you a talker? I mean when you're on the
on the field, are you talking to the opposing team?
Is your defense talkers? Or you guys just go play football?
Speaker 6 (38:52):
To be honest, I felt like everybody got their own
little situation going on over Yeah there. Me personally, I
feel like I feel like I own too much. Say nothing,
but somebody pissed me a bro, You're gonna hear me, bro,
like and one. I'm going at you, bro, I'm never
gonna stop.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (39:12):
Is it?
Speaker 4 (39:12):
Is there a player?
Speaker 3 (39:13):
Is there a player that you really don't like that
you'll always go at it? To give you a better
example perspective, Mike Evans and Marshawn Lattimore, Do you have
anybody like that that you go at it.
Speaker 4 (39:24):
With in the NFL? Or not?
Speaker 5 (39:25):
Really got a couple.
Speaker 4 (39:28):
Damn for real?
Speaker 2 (39:29):
Yeah, I got a couple.
Speaker 5 (39:32):
To be going for none of that?
Speaker 4 (39:34):
Is it? Is it? Is it personal?
Speaker 3 (39:35):
Or it's like really serious, like I don't really don't.
I don't see you like that, Like I really don't
see you like that.
Speaker 5 (39:41):
There's only one like that.
Speaker 4 (39:44):
I want to know. I want to know so I
can watch.
Speaker 5 (39:46):
I'll tell you, I tell you.
Speaker 3 (39:47):
I ain't I tell you, Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 6 (39:53):
Because once they find out, they're gonna be trying to separate.
Speaker 4 (39:56):
Okay, Okay, I got you.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
I got you because was he find out, he gonna
try to get you for them.
Speaker 5 (40:03):
Now you know you know him?
Speaker 4 (40:06):
Okay, Okay.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:07):
So obviously your head coach and you mentioned a lot
of the players from the defense and the offense is
still there. Although you lost both of your coordinators, the
expectations are still high. You guys won fifteen games last year.
The year before that, you went to the NFC Championship game. Bro,
it's time. I mean, you know, you only get you
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only get so many bite of the apple curb before
the before the apple's gone that y'all been taking big
y'all been taking big bites.
Speaker 6 (40:36):
Hey, we ain't gonna stop, and we ain't gonna stop
till we get there though. Like, but I don't never
see myself especially like stopping. I feel like a lot
of the things we went through, I feel like it
was to get us to this moment right now. I
feel like we got a lot of guys healthy, We
got guys back, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (40:52):
I feel like, especially the guys that were.
Speaker 6 (40:54):
On the team last year, they kind of understand that
we gave it even more than we did the first year,
but that still wasn't enough, you know what I'm saying.
So you gotta still keep going because now it's just
any minute my new thing going on with the game
that could be the change up the tide of the game,
you know what I'm saying. So just working on the
situations and stuff like that, and then just we got
made plays.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (41:14):
I feel like I feel like a lot of the
things that happen on the field or like playmaking, I
feel like it's not only the coaches getting on us,
but it's ourselves because we got we keep ourselves accountable a.
Speaker 5 (41:27):
Lot of the things. You know what I mean.
Speaker 6 (41:28):
Yeah, Yeah, because it's like I hard my I be
hard on myself when I don't get an exception for
the game, you know, because I feel like, I look,
I leave my team down, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (41:37):
And we might feel the same way if he ain't
get enough sacks, you know what I'm saying. It's just
stuff like that.
Speaker 6 (41:41):
Like you know, i'd be like, you know what I'm
Saying's help each other and keep each other. Like on
points week.
Speaker 1 (41:48):
Sixteen, you got you placed a very familiar opponent. You
were in the same division with this guy, Aaron Rodgers.
He's with the Steelers. Now you've had a lot of
success against Rogers. You're looking forward to that matchup?
Speaker 6 (41:58):
Yeah, yeah, Hey, that's my favorite quarterback though.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
No, oh, you expecting him to store.
Speaker 5 (42:07):
Yeah, that ain't gonna stop. That ain't ain't gonna stop.
But hey, he cool, Oh he cool for sure. Yeah,
I'm trying to see. I'm trying to see if he's
gonna sign one of them.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
I was about to ask you the same thing I say,
you try to get what say?
Speaker 6 (42:22):
Yeah, I'm trying to get one of the ball I'm trying.
I'm trying to at least want of them I got
about I'm trying to I'm just trying to get him signed.
I'm just trying to get him signed.
Speaker 5 (42:36):
I like it.
Speaker 4 (42:36):
That's funny.
Speaker 2 (42:38):
Y'all Play the Steelers week sixteen.
Speaker 4 (42:41):
Hey, y'all, y'all, y'all don't play the Bangles.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
Huh, yeah we do.
Speaker 5 (42:44):
I think we got him on the schedule this year.
Speaker 6 (42:47):
Oh okay, yeah, I think that my first time going
against Joe Burrow.
Speaker 4 (42:52):
Hey, okay, okay.
Speaker 1 (42:53):
You got do you circle? Do you do you circle games?
Do you you look at do you look at the call?
Do you look at the schedule? Like okay, all right, yeah, yeah, yeah,
this mighty okay.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
I like this. I like this one. Do you circle games?
Week five? Y'all? Play the Bengals week five?
Speaker 4 (43:07):
Oh for real, I'm going to the game.
Speaker 3 (43:11):
They playing in Detroit, playing Bank Cincinnati.
Speaker 4 (43:15):
Okay, Okay, I see you Week five. I'm coming out there.
I'm coming out there.
Speaker 5 (43:19):
Sit me out there.
Speaker 4 (43:20):
Yeah, yeah, definitely.
Speaker 6 (43:23):
I feel I don't feel like I got like a
whole bunch of games. But I dude, be having like
revenge games. I have like a revenge game or like
somebody ain't playing like the Bengals, you know what I'm saying, Like, yeah,
like that's one of my games out of circle because
you know, I never.
Speaker 5 (43:36):
Played them before.
Speaker 6 (43:37):
I always like to play different teams, see different people,
to see different players.
Speaker 5 (43:40):
You know.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
Yeah, And you know they got one of the better offenses.
You know your quarterback, you mentioned Joe, they got t
they got a Chase, the triple Crown winner. They're supposed
to be really, really good on that side of the football.
So you guys are really going to have your work
cut out.
Speaker 6 (43:55):
And I see I see a couple of my dogs
out there, Chas Brown and PJ.
Speaker 5 (44:01):
Okay, so them a dog.
Speaker 6 (44:02):
I'm trying to uh, you know, and Jerseys see all
them boys, you know, I say, it's always good to
see you know what I'm saying, your teammates from them
weigh in the back and weighing the past stuff.
Speaker 4 (44:12):
That's dope.
Speaker 1 (44:13):
Well, Kirby Man, best of luck, stay healthy. Thanks for
giving us a few moments of your time tonight. Man,
wishing the Lions the best of luck, and uh you
guys win that division and get to the super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (44:23):
Man, come back and join us and have a conversation
with a.
Speaker 5 (44:25):
Show man for sure.
Speaker 3 (44:26):
Man, go ahead, I'm saying my meal prep. I'm gonna
send you the directions on how to take the food
the mounts. You know, three it's three meals a day,
three meals a day. So I'm gonna send everything to you.
I'm gonna send it to your d M and uh
then I'm gonna mail all the food to you start
next week.
Speaker 5 (44:43):
Okay, hey here for real? Are playing?
Speaker 3 (44:47):
Yeah? I got Youmber, Listen, I'm you my first client.
I'm an NFL nutritionist. I'm going to make sure people
stop getting hurt. Now, if people gonna stop getting hurt,
they're going to be able to put out the best
output because of.
Speaker 4 (45:05):
My meal plan and my meal prep. So boom, all right,
this is what it is. It's what I do.
Speaker 3 (45:10):
Look, I got like three hundred jobs and I just
added one to I just added one.
Speaker 2 (45:14):
And meal Prep ain't one of them.
Speaker 3 (45:18):
Hey, come on, support black business, support black business.
Speaker 6 (45:23):
Look look when we you know what I'm saying, get
off the call.
Speaker 5 (45:26):
You know what I'm saying to hit me. You know
what I'm said, we could do that though.
Speaker 4 (45:28):
I got you, I got you, twin I got But I.
Speaker 5 (45:32):
Do want to thank y'all for having me out here.
Speaker 6 (45:34):
I want to thank God also just for giving me
the opportunity to come out here every day and play football,
you know what I'm saying, and just to get back.
Speaker 5 (45:41):
So appreciate you'all having me.
Speaker 4 (45:43):
That's all love.
Speaker 1 (45:44):
I appreciate you with joining of the man. Appreciate that man.
Take care of stay healthy.
Speaker 2 (45:47):
Man. We're talking to you.
Speaker 5 (45:48):
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Speaker 2 (45:54):
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Speaker 1 (46:01):
Coach GM Chris Balla said team is not trading Anthony Richardson.
It is easy to say, Okay, he's done. I don't agree.
I've said numerous times I don't agree with that. I
think overcoming challenges and obstacles along the way are good
for anybody. For for anybody I do. I'm proud of
Anthony of where he's at and how far he's come.
He's come miles is tough on any young quarterback in
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this league. But for him to keep taking the growth
steps he has and works so hard and not get
the goals for himself all right now, continue to do that,
that's when we've got a chance to see real.
Speaker 2 (46:40):
You like that? Dono you like what he had to say?
Speaker 3 (46:42):
Uly also also from a business from a business side
of things, we know we don't we don't. We know
that the long term answer is not Daniel Jones. We've
seen the small symbit side of what Daniel Jones was
with the New York Giants.
Speaker 2 (46:52):
So to think we saw a big sample side there
wasn't small.
Speaker 3 (46:55):
Okay bad, But to think that Daniel Jones did answered
long term, that's not it. So why would you try
Anthony Richardson. He's only twenty three years old. He's probably
going to.
Speaker 4 (47:03):
Continue to grow, continue to get better.
Speaker 3 (47:05):
Sometimes other quarterbacks reach their potential much sooner than others.
Speaker 4 (47:10):
Maybe gonna take Anthony Richardson a little bit longer.
Speaker 3 (47:13):
Maybe the benching now again and losing this spot is
a blessing in disguise for him.
Speaker 4 (47:19):
To continue to grow, to continue to get.
Speaker 3 (47:20):
Better, and at some point if things aren't going well
in Annapolis with Daniel Jones as the starting quarterback.
Speaker 4 (47:26):
Do you know who's not gonna have to come in and.
Speaker 3 (47:28):
Be that savor for the rest of the season, Brother
Anthony Richardson. Absolutely, they would not let him go or
trade him somewhere else where.
Speaker 4 (47:35):
There is no backup. No, of course not.
Speaker 1 (47:40):
No, I think I don't think he's trading him now.
Now we might be having a different conversation next lot.
Speaker 4 (47:46):
Okay, yeah, that's different.
Speaker 3 (47:47):
Now, that's depending that's depending Daniel Jones and what he
shows us.
Speaker 4 (47:53):
What type of growth maturity from the quarterback position, being
able to execute the offense.
Speaker 3 (47:58):
Facilitate the ball without the turnover, without the mental lapses
that he has from time to time. Now that can
save not just in job, but it's future in Indiannapolis
as well.
Speaker 2 (48:09):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (48:09):
Yes, So if he gets an opportunity, he's gonna have
to take full advantage of it because he's not getting
another chance after this on Joe, he gets back in
there and he doesn't he doesn't take advantage of this opportunity.
They're gonna move on because it becomes cost prohibitive for
them to keep.
Speaker 2 (48:23):
Him on the roster.
Speaker 1 (48:26):
So and you're never gonna get the value for I mean,
you took it with the fourth pick in the draft.
Speaker 2 (48:32):
Yeah, the fourth pick in the draft.
Speaker 1 (48:34):
O Joe, you do realize, like that's supposed to be
at the fourth pick in the draft. You're supposed to
be franchise altery, especially if you're a quarterback.
Speaker 2 (48:42):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (48:43):
I mean, any player that you're taking it that high up,
he's supposed to be fraying. If it's a quarterback, a
running back, a wide receiver, a tight end, he's supposed
to be franchise altering.
Speaker 2 (48:51):
Yeah, and normally you hope, Ojo, you don't have to
bench a guy.
Speaker 1 (48:59):
Now, we'll see how he took to the bench, because
we saw what he did for Bryce Jum. Yeah, let's
see if it can have the same kind of impact
on Richard.
Speaker 3 (49:12):
I hope, so, I hope so, I hope so too. Talent,
he's a he's a phenomenal talent man. Once he puts
it all together, it can be a beautiful thing.
Speaker 1 (49:22):
I mean, look, oh Joe, but but you look at it.
A guy started, he started thirteen games in college. He
Sted started fifteen games in the NFL. That's twenty eight
total starts. Most of the really good, the really good
quarterbacks you'll get, you'll get one or two. You get
a Cam Newton that only starts one year of major
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college football thirteen fourteen games and Cam or you get
a Joe Burrow who starts what fourteen fifteen games? And
I think he might have started junior. I'm not sure
if he did. I don't think he started more than
twenty five games. With that being said, most of the time,
these guys you got to get. I mean, that ain't
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a whole lot of stars.
Speaker 2 (50:05):
Thirteen.
Speaker 1 (50:06):
Think about Ojo thirteen starts and your project and you
get your top five big and do you know how
mental letalented you must be.
Speaker 4 (50:15):
Yeah. But the bad thing about it is the NFL
is not patient.
Speaker 3 (50:19):
Though the oh well, now, the NFL is not patient
because you have to understand people jobs on the line.
Speaker 4 (50:24):
So when you draft the quarterback that high, that high, and.
Speaker 3 (50:27):
You're expecting to be not only a generational talent of
franchise changing quarterback, you know, listen, the Texans did it.
Speaker 4 (50:35):
Hell, the Commanders did it. So not understanding with not that.
Speaker 1 (50:41):
But look look how many Look how many game Look
how many games Jane Daniels started that he started like
down in fifty games.
Speaker 2 (50:47):
O Joe.
Speaker 4 (50:48):
Yeah, and that's the difference.
Speaker 3 (50:49):
Well, obviously there needs to be a little patience on
the Indianapolis Coast side and that franchise.
Speaker 4 (50:55):
But they don't have that kind of patient.
Speaker 3 (50:56):
They don't have that kind of time because people jobs
are on the line, people job line.
Speaker 1 (51:02):
I can't be patient for the simple fact in three years,
I'm gonna have to give a guy a quarter of
a billion dollars and you're telling me to be patient.
Speaker 2 (51:10):
Now, it's not something like you know, once upoint of time.
Speaker 1 (51:12):
If I can see, O Joe, if it's like if
I got ten cars, you know, I feel like, man,
this car might be worth something. I can sit that
way to the side. I can't sit my man because
growing up on Yo, we had a chevel We had
a Chevel SF with the rally racing stripes down, and
we had all had a Malibu who had all that stuff.
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We couldn't set that car side because that was our
everyday car.
Speaker 2 (51:36):
Right.
Speaker 1 (51:38):
I can't stash Anthony Richardson because I need him to
play but I need him to play well because in
three years, I'm gonna have to give him a quarter
of a billion dollars. I'm about to have to get
somebody's about to get a contract for four hundred million,
O Joe, and two hundred and fifty three seventy five
is gonna be guaranteed. So I can't stash it. I
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can't be patient it used to be. I'm gonna let
the eggs hatch. Nah, I get my chick lists from
smashing the eggs. Come on up out of the dammit.
I'm just being honored with you, oh Joe. I'm just look,
you've been in the league. I've been in the league.
We've been around the league. That's how it is now.
Ain't nobody waiting, Nobody wait on you listen.
Speaker 3 (52:19):
Most of the time, honestly, you think about owners. Think
about owners, especially in the NFL. They want instant gratification.
They want yes, you know, because most of the owners
they're businessmen, and most of the time what businessmen do
is when they want results right now, they throw money
at it.
Speaker 4 (52:37):
Yes, it doesn't work like that in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (52:39):
No, don't worry.
Speaker 4 (52:40):
It doesn't work like that.
Speaker 3 (52:41):
So the frustration piles up because in other areas of
business and aspects that I have going on around, once
I throw money at.
Speaker 4 (52:47):
Something right away, I get results.
Speaker 3 (52:49):
But it just doesn't work that way when it comes
to NFL and finding an adequate quarterback that you can
rely on for a decade that you can just build around.
Speaker 1 (52:58):
Well, the thing that you and I talk about is
that all of a sudden, you start to base your
success on somebody else's.
Speaker 2 (53:03):
See it.
Speaker 1 (53:04):
They don't have patience because I'm looking around the league
and I see what bo Nicks did. I look around
the league, and I see what Jade Daniels did. I
look around in the league and I see what c J.
Stroud did. So now, hold on, wait, you went higher
than bol.
Speaker 2 (53:20):
Why you not playing like that? Why can't you be
Why can't you be CJ. Stroud? Why can't you be
Jade Daniels.
Speaker 1 (53:26):
So now you're basing your guy's success on someone else's success.
And so now it's almost like, oh, Joe, you looking
at somebody else. You basing your marriage on someone else's. Okay,
they look happy, but you don't know. You don't know
what they put into their marriage to be happy. You
don't know how their coaching said player. You don't know
(53:48):
how he receives information. You don't understand how he processes information.
So with all that being said, you looking at it,
you just looking at it like, well, damn, I see
look at his numbers and look at my quarterback. Now
it's not that black and white. It's not that cut
and dry. There's a lot up There are a lot
of other things that go into it whether or not
(54:10):
a player will be successful. And now I got there,
like okay, Like you said, okay, be patient. Well that's
where you do your homework and if you take it,
if you take it a project, you have to be patient.
Speaker 2 (54:27):
You can't expect them to come out and be like
be like c J. Stroud.
Speaker 1 (54:30):
You can't expect him to be like a Jade Daniels.
You can't expect him to be like Caleb Williams, a
guy that started at Oklahoma what was it Oklahoma and
then he follows a Lincoln ride of the USC. You
can't expect that that man got thirty plus stars on
his bill. You got half that Jane Daniels got like
damn fifty stars. You don't have that. So if you
(54:53):
if it's like oh, Jo. It's like a car, an
old school car. You just can't slap it together. When
people say they're doing a rebuild on a car, they're
gonna take their time and do it. It's gonna take
them years. But the problem is is that I have
other cars I can drive, so I'm not counting on
(55:13):
this car so I can take my tie. Oh yo, bro,
this's pro sports. They're not waiting. They're not waiting those
days of oh and two or three years. Man, look here,
I might be dead. They I might be dead. I
might say I might have sold the team. I'm not waiting,
No two or three years. I need you to get
it right now. And when you don't get it right,
(55:36):
you're not gonna have too many guys that you select
them the top five and they don't pan out.
Host
Shannon Sharpe
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