Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson react to Jerry Jones and the Dallas Cowboys trading All-Pro pass rusher Micah Parsons to the Green Bay Packers and Coach Prime's Colorado Buffaloes taking on Georgia Tech, and much more!
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Speaker 2 (03:26):
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Speaker 3 (03:28):
Hey, I got a question, now, go ahead, boy, Devo
Debo doing everything you can to stay away from me.
He dug. I'm just saying I'm not I'm not I'm
not saying he ducking me. But I'm just saying, by
the look what he has going on.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
He ain't trying to find you. You ain't say he
dodging you, but he ain't really looking for you.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Yeah yeah, yeah, something may right, something right?
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Yeah right?
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Yeah, okay, oh Joe. College football is officially back. We
had some games last week, but now the real game
start to come. And tonight's game, Georgia Tech go on
the road and in Folksome Field at CU they win
twenty seven twenty Hayes King thirteen of twenty one forty three.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
He throwed an.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Exception, but it was his legs that was the difference.
Nineteen rushes a buck fifty six three rushing touchdown, the
last one forty five yards to put them ahead with
the minute and seven seconds left in the ball game.
And they go on the road and they defeat the
Buffalo's twenty seven twenty the first game with Asher Door
Sanders and the receiver Travis Hunter. So Colorado is on
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a new era. Now a Kaitlyn Salt, I think that's
his name. Seventeen to twenty eight, one to fifty nine,
one touchdown. They ran the ball really well, thirty one
for a buck forty six, but it was Georgia Tech
forty seven rushes three hundred and twenty seven yards. Oh cho,
I was disgusted watching this game. I said, what about
gap integrity? What about contained? Georgia Tech has run the
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football since I was a kid, even when they had
I try and they ran the damn football. When they
had to Marryus Thomas, they ran the football. Georgia Tech
runs the football. It's like if you play the Naval
academy or army. You know they're gonna run the football.
Oh Joe, I'm like.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Living still. Are you gonna make any adjustment? Guys?
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Are you what is your responsibility? What about your gap integrity?
What about what about your contained responsibility? I'm like, this
is utterly ridiculous. And quarterback psalter bro, you missed entirely
too many throws. He missed entirely too many throws. Ojoe
and number and number twenty got a nice set of
hands on him. The running back road he wide open.
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And I hate when quarterbacks do this. So Joe, when
you miss a throw, you go to the running back
or you go to the wide receiver. Tomorrow, I wanted you, no, Bro,
I was right there. Put it on me. All you
had to do is hit me right here. Don't talk
about don't do that, don't do that. You fed it
up and he had to go on thirty ten. He
missed entirely too many throws, but their defense let him
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down tonight. You can't let somebody come into your building
and run the ball forty seven times at three hundred
twenty yards.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Hold, let me see what before you go over to
your let me see what. YESU see if I want
to see uh no to go back.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Fox score man. Oh Joe, this was I'm like, but
I knew. I was on the phone with my brother
early in the game. A team give you three turnovers
at home in the first quarter and you want to
go seven points. You're telling that team beat me, beat me,
kick our ass. You're supposed to have to bear them.
They didn't, and they got what they deserved. I'll go
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ahead on you. I'll find on the second go ahead.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
I said.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Listen.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
What I was going to say is, obviously, we all
want to see what Colorado, Colorado would look like without
Shadoor's sayings, without Travis Hunter, and they didn't look that
bad first game of the season. You want to get
the kings out. You want to see what areas you
need to improve in. Obviously we see defensively, defensively, Colorado
has to be a stop to run. Because now it's
out there on tape. What do we do when we
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play against the Colorado Buffalo's to have success? We run
the ball.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
That was the issue last year though, Old Joe, damn,
that was the issue last year.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Obviously, Georgia Tech showed that that's a that's a that's
an area that hasn't been filled, so that needs to
be addressed. Boom for me, for me. The beginning of
the game, Georgia Tech tried to hand the hand the
game to Colorado. They tried to hand the game too.
I'm saying, but god damn, in my mind, I'm looking boom.
After the first turnover, old them boy went down the squad,
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and then it was two more turnovers after that. I'm like, well,
all right, I don't like the way just looking because
you got the ball back two more times, you know,
in the first quarter for Georgia quarter, and you're only
do something with it one time. I say, you know what,
if gonna come down, it's gonna come down to the end,
it's gonna come down to the end, because offensively, they're
not doing enough. They're not doing it offensively to to
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put me at ease and to put you know, to
make me calm. Because but one the first tone over
it was all the way in your territory, so of
course it was easy to go down the score. But
the other two it seemed like you really couldn't move
the ball.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
They didn't.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
Right, You tried, you tried everything you could. Established the
run that the room.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Was it was it was they ran for they ran,
I mean they ran for a hundred and forty six yards.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
Yeah, obviously, young it wasn't enough. It wasn't enough. You wanted.
You want a happy balance of both, you know, to
to kind of keep the keep the defense, you know,
on on on their heels or not knowing what's gonna come.
Are they gonna run it? Are they gonna throw it?
But they weren't good enough in the air either.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
No, there was quarterback. Oo.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Look, I think he has tremendous arm talent. Oh yeah, bro,
you don't have to impress us with every throw of
your arm. You're missing routine throws. He's gonna have to
learn how to throw better on the move because on
the move he's not very good. And you know we're
gonna we're gonna be nice, O Joe, because he's a
college kid. These are professionals.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Make it.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
Huh, it's week one two, it's week one.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
O Joe. Throw it on the move.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
That should be able to week one week no one
week anything. You should be able to throw. He oho
the throws that he's missing because that's third down. You're
off the field. You want to stay on the field.
I want another crack, Give me four more cracks at
you right, And we saw him miss numerous throws. The
second time he had an opportunity, Oh Joe, why would
it He could have ran the ball to the end
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zone instead of throwing it. Yeah, yeah, bro, we understand
that you have a nice arm. I mean we saw
him launch at sixty sixty five yards. But Bro, sometimes
you gotta understand, Okay, this is an opportunity for me.
That was not the time for you to try to dazzle.
Try to impress us with your arm. Pick up the
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first down and another thing. Oh Joe, Then I'm gonna
turn it back over to you. I don't know what
coach Primean was thinking. They got the ball back with
a minute and seven seconds in the ball game. You
got two time outs and you don't use any You
talk no same two time outs.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
You had to start that drive and you go into
the locker room with them.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
So you throw one pass behind the line of scrimmage,
you get tackled, you don't call time out, You throw
complete another pass on second down, you don't call time out,
and then the quarterback picks up a third down. But
he burns eight nine ten seconds on the top. The
hell are y'all doing on the scramble? I'm I'm not
sure what was going on.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
And in that situation, obviously you want to use those
timeouts to give yourself as much time as possible. Yes,
continue running players to try to get down in some
type of range to throw a hell Mary pass. I'm
not sure what the what the issue was there, but listen,
they got some stuff they need to work on. They
have some stuff they need to work on, and I'm
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sure Prime is glad that college football is back. We're
out there playing against opponents and not just ourselves, so
we can see what areas we need to get better at. Obviously,
some areas are some of the same lot stuff that
we had issues with. Laugh here, I'm gonna start with
just the running game, being able to out the run game,
having the headless, having the meat and potatoes to be
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able to compete up there in the trenches and stop
people from running down your goddamn throat. Three that's where
it starts.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Three twenty.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
Yeah, that's a lot. That's a lot too, boy, Oh,
that's that's a whole lot.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Now, running the football and stopping the run is about will,
it's about want to because schematically, I can't do anything,
o Jo.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
They wasn't doing anything.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
He faked the tall and then they pull a guard,
or they pull a double guard to tackle, or they'll
pull a guard and they'll pull a running back. That's
all they were doing. They weren't doing anything the past game. Schrammatically,
o Jo, I can scheme people when I run the football.
It wasn't nothing fancy. Yeah, it was nothing. It was
our guys kick your guys's ass.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
I did. Yep, that's what we did.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
And that's why football if for me mentally the toughest work,
because you know why, Ojo, you're asking the one man
to move another man against his wheel. Now I know Colorado,
they want to leave that that patch of grass, that
that a gap, that b gap that see or contained.
I know they didn't want to leave it with Georgia
Takes say you're getting your ass.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Up out of here? You getting up out of here?
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Yeah, And I'm like, bro, what Livingston?
Speaker 2 (12:19):
I know A I look, you go back and you
watch the film. There's a lot there's nothing.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
You didn't really do a whole lot good other than
the fact, you know when they got the lead. I
mean you came down there when got twenty, you match them.
But then they go right back down the field, right
back down the field, and they ran the football, O choke.
Do you know what it takes to take the goal?
Seventy five sixty five seventy yards and I just run it.
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Mayby threw one pass, Thyty threw one pass.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
Yeah, on the on the ground. At that on the ground?
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Is that? Hey?
Speaker 3 (12:51):
Listen? You know you know the difference. You know the
difference and what matters when it come wins and losses.
What you got up there in your front You got
the trenches. You ain't gotta listen. If you ain't got
enough beating potatoes up there in your front and in
your front yard, and you got you them boys, ain't
got enough rocks in the back pocket, You're gonna get moved.
You're gonna get moved around. You can get pushed around.
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You know you understand that. And that's what you saw tonight.
Week won the same agues you had last year. And
it's only one way to fix it. You got to
get them big hogs up there. You got to that's
the only way to stop it. And then if you
don't have the side. You got to have people that
want it. M h, people that got this, that want
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to come downhill. Well you know it. You want to
move me against my wheel, Well let me show you.
I'm not one of those that you just gonna I
ain't going, Hey, I I ain't going nowhere. I ain't
going I'm coming to the party. It don't matter what
time I get there, but I'm gonna be there.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Corners, oh Joe, whatever happened to I'm not gonna let
my outside arm get pinned. You never give up that
leverage where the hell leverage word is contained?
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Don't know? I mean, I'm sure it's hard for me
to believe.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
With the personnel that time has on that staff, they
don't teach leverage. They don't teach contained, they don't teach gap, responsibility,
gap integrity. I refuse to believe that. And constantly I
see I see DB's giving up the outside arm and
the guy running down the sideline. Constantly I see off
defensive alignment. I was like, Bro, that is your gap.
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How you let that man get you up out of there?
That is your gap?
Speaker 3 (14:32):
And the funny thing about it is coaches can coach
it and repeat it over and over and over and
over as many time as they won't or when the
bus is flying on. You have one responsibility to take
what you're toy and execute X's nose. That all comes
down to want too. That all comes down to want
to at the end of.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
The day, Oh Joe, here's the thing. When you walking
through something, yeah, it's easy. But if you want to
find out what a man can do, put him to
the test. The test is when the hut, when that
ball moves, that's the test.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
See.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
I know what you do. I know what you're doing
when you're walking through. I know what you're doing. But
if you want to know what a man can really do,
put him to the test. Put his ass under the
gun and let's see what he does. Because I've seen
so many guys and you have to be practice. They
look like, oh, they'll better catching the ball, running the ball.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
I'm like, what damn?
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Look at breaking the ball?
Speaker 3 (15:35):
Did y'alle Sanders?
Speaker 2 (15:37):
And then getting the game and he playing like Colonel Sanders.
I'm like, oh no, hell no, bad.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Please sot chaut I'm sorry, chout up on one tonight.
If you guys can tell that Colorado game that got
me pissed off. I don't know. I'm to the highest
I'm pistivity.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Is that a word?
Speaker 3 (16:03):
Who ain't playing like Colonel Who?
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Yeah, I mean in practice they looking like Deon Sanders
breaking on the ball. Now they getting the game, they
looking like Colonel Sanders fried chicken.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
Oh God.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
And I'm looking and I understand you. I understand some
of these guys. I mean, I mean starting for the
first time, bright lights, it's different. That's but that that's
what that's what makes we who? Who make us who
we are? To being able to perform under under the rest,
under adversity, and not forget that I can't get my
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outside on pin.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
I got to.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
I got to, I got the whole contained. I've got
to maintain my leverage. I've got to. I got to
have sound gap responsibility. And you can't throw that out
the window because now all of a sudden they firing
off the ball. That's the thing. You got to be
able to hold that, and said, I'm not Look, maybe
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I'm using turns, but you watched the game. You saw
what I saw. Hell, my old lass could have ran
through some of them holes. Now I wouldn't have got
no forty five yards, but I have got the first down,
like damn.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
It, they've got cut loop.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
It's the first game, oyoe, and for me, I've always
felt that I wanted at home, especially the first game.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
O yoet I got a hold, So I got a hold.
And listen, they have any opportunity, they have this opportunity.
When they got those those that second and that third
tone over and do it and didn't do anything with
the ball. I said, it's gonna be a long night.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Told that should.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Have set the tone for the game right there.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Should have put them down the worst case scenario, oh yo,
put them down thirteen nothing, seventeen nothing, Yes, at worst
case with three turnovers and that team's on the road,
you're in your home. It can't be seven nothing going
into the second quarter. It cannot be. It cannot be.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
And it puts all there. It puts all the pressure
back on Georgia Tech.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
The half cop go ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Now I'm gonna say it puts all the pressure back
on Georgia Tech where you won't have that comfortability of
being able to run the ball all one and half
all second half long.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Because guess what, oo, I still got it. I still hey,
you didn't take me out. You didn't take me out
of what I want to do because it's only seven nothing. Now,
maybe if it's seventeen nothing, maybe if it's twenty one nothing.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
But now even with these turnovers, you allow me to
still stay in my comfort zone.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
So yes, sir, damn.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Hey, I don't know how to do it, ojo.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
But most of the time, if somebody, if you don't
make somebody get up out of if you got if
you written apartment, if you use somebody laying lord and
they gonna they go a month or two and they
ain't paid you your money, there's a good chance they're
not gonna pay.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Your week, three, a month, four month, five months, six.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
So they's squiden. They squatten.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Basically, I've got a okay, guess what you come home
in the lock it pad locked or the locks changed,
and then I don't know why, I don't know what happened.
I know what happened. You thirteen thousand, you're fifteen thousand
in the rears on rent. And I've got the responsibility
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I got, I got banks that want their mortgage on
this on this building.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
And you talk about man I bank.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
No one to hear nothing about you lost your job,
right because I can't. You know what, I'm gonna bring
you your money next month because you know, a couple
of my tenants lost their job.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
They're not trying to hear that, O Joe.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
So in this situation right here, all Colorado did with
yell across the field, Hey, appreciate the three turnovers.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Now kick our ass.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
Yeah, thats it. You got turnover in the first quarter,
you got you got to do something with that. You
got to have advantage of second one. I say, Okay,
if they get another one, we gotta we got to.
We got to. We got to find a way to
get the game out of their hands, make it a
little easier on the back end. But once they after
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that second one and they went, damn, damn them, damn
there three and outs. You know, damn them they did.
Might might as well have been I said, you know,
it's gonna be a long night.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Well I knew, I knew they wouldn't win this game.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Once they got them three turnovers in the first quarter
and they only came away with seven points, and you
allowed Georgia Tech to stay within the scheme of what
they want to do. The first thing I want to do.
If you are a running team, I want to get
you out of that. I don't want you to be
able to run the football. I want to what do
you do? What is the second best thing that you do.
I want to play to that. I don't want you
to play to your strength, Oh chick, I want you
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to play to your weakness. And if you beat me
with your weakness, O Joe, I come to the center field, Congratulations,
good job, Hey, stay healthy. I see you down the road, coach.
But I'm not gonna let you beat me when I
know that's what you want to do.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Right.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
But like I said, uh uh, the decoordinator, I understand
y'all put a lot of time in because you know
what Georgia Tech does. Georgia Tech wants to run the football.
But your gap, integrity, your leverage, your contain was piss poor. Yeah,
and that'll call you to lose a lot of games.
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That called you to lose a lot of games. We
had this conversation last year when they played Kansas. We
had these conversations over the years when we're discussing Colorado
about being able to stop the run. Now, one thing
I will say, Oh Joe, they look better in past protection. Yeah,
that left tackle is gonna go play at the next level.
That left tackle number seventy seven, you gonna play at
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the next level. Yeah, he's gonna play. Yeah, he gonna
go play. He's gonna he gonna be playing on Sundays.
But they got to do a better job. I don't
care how good you are offensively if you cannot stop
the run because they're just I mean, think about it.
They still have five more minutes of possession with three
turnovers and a lot of turnovers. Are like two plays
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one play turnover, three plays turnover.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
You give them, you give them the ball back too fast.
You're not doing nothing with it, not doing You're not
doing nothing with it.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
Man I man, I was, man, I was so frustrated
because I'm like, bro.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
Hold on, you think you frustrated tonight, Wait till you wait,
wait till you see tomorrow's game. You might be frustrated again.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Who who played tomorrow?
Speaker 3 (22:33):
What Texas?
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Else?
Speaker 3 (22:34):
State what you mean for?
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Yeah, look, I think the thing is, oh your when games,
if you know somebody, I'm gonna be watching because I
like sort I know sorrk here and I can we communicate?
Speaker 2 (22:45):
So yes, I'm gonna be I'm gonna be pulling for Sorry.
I'm sorry, Chad.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Yes, I'm gonna be pulling for Sorry because I like him.
But you know, when you know time you kind of invested.
You know, you and I both have gone to see
you watched them play. Uh, it's a great atmosphere. And
this was a willow game for Colorado. But they did
everything they possibly could to help Georgia Tech steal it
from them.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Ye, but Georgia Tech and steal it.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
They went on the road, they outplayed them, and coach says, look,
we got We give their defense credit because the defense Bowl.
They're back because they got the three. They only gave
up seven points all of those three turnovers, so that
could have they could have gotten they could have gotten
out of hand. Colorado took care of football. They didn't
turn it over, not one time. They had less penalties.
But when you when you let the team go run
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for three twenty three twenty, I mean, first of all,
two hundred yards a lot. We just starting letting teams
get three hundred four hundred yards running on you?
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Please yeah, please.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
But uh, I'm sure Coach Prime, I don't know how
they do it. In college, Joe Jose, I mean we
played on we played Saturday. We was off Sunday unless
we played like horse and coach and make us put
our uniforms on and go practice, go practice. And I
was thinking about that. Oh you you, oh yo, do
you know? I mean think about it.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Oho.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
If you played the game on Monday, I mean Sunday,
and the coaching you in the Cincinnati and said, oh
you put your pants on, we going to practice on
the Monday.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
I don't know about that. Listen, hey, gray, grown folk
now grown folks that ain't finna work. We are not
putting no pads on after playing a three hour game
on a Sunday. That's not happening. I'm not sure who
the captain would be, but I can guarantee you they
will not be in no pads after game day. You
already know how we feel in after the game day.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
What yes, absolutely no.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
You know how long it takes to get out of
bed after a game. Man, I do put on some pads.
Pads who shoot, Nah, it ain't happy.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
Uh, but they'll probably have tomorrow off. Come in Monday.
Wash the tape.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Get ready because it's a fast turnaround on Yoe you can't.
You can't let this.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Lingerches that long.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
Not long.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
It's just something about.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Look, it's been damn thar forty years since I was
in college. Ojo something about. And I was never been
a big guy that went out after the game. But
I can assure you if we lost, yeah, we're gonna
see saw face on the gables. Oh hell now you
First of all, you barely saw me after win. Barely
I'm talking about maybe. I think I went to maybe
one party and four years of college, I ain't no, no, no,
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and we lose, Yeah, I'm looking at the guys following out. Man,
they hurry back oho the shop. Especially if we own,
they hear up and shower and go to the party.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
I'm like you, sorry, both folks. Y'all want people to.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
See y'all, Hey just lost. I tell you what, though,
this is how I look at it, and I'm gonna
be honest. You have to think my time during my
tenure in Cincinnati, we had what maybe one maybe two
winning seasons. Yeah when I was there, so I had
no choice. But after my fitsiness weekend and week out,
whether we're winning and losing, because I'm stepping outside, I'm
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stepping outside, and I can tell you I know where
I was at because I had friends of mine that
I met main Rico Los, all them boys down in
Cincinnati as a group of five. We've been friends in
two thousand and one. I have no other outside France
outside of those I met on the first day I
got lost in Cincinnati. First day. Still friends to this day. Dude.
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We go to anties after every game we play at
one o'clock. The game in at three. We had jail
Alexander's at six o'clock and then when when ten or
whatever it called, roll around. Oh, I'm going out. I'm
going out because I'm trying to enjoy myself, get some
of the sore on this out walk around, you know,
have a little fun, talk to some of the fans,
you know, the dudes out you know, out out the
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hood that be out off of short buying and wherever
they're from, you know, just just talk football. I like that.
I was more of a people person, you know during
that time, and loved to talk to the game, moves
ball whether we were losing the winning, and I would
always my faith whether we were losing and winning. I
mean I enjoyed it.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
I mean one of the worst times I had O Joe.
I was in Baltimore and we had made I had
already made reservations at Ruth Chris. I had brought everybody
in and we lost the game. If I didn't have
my mom and my sister and all them kids out
of canceling, hell no, I would get takeout.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
I would get take out. We lost the game, right, Hey, Sean,
we going by such as I.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Said, Nah, I'm going on home. I'm gone home. I'm hey,
I'm a I'm a sore loser. I'm a worst winner.
But I don't I didn't.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
I didn't.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
I don't, I don't. I don't want to be around nobody.
I know how I am. I'm moody, I'm meritable because
guess what, that's why y'all lost. Y'all out here party.
You need to be home in your playbook. You need
to be studying your plate. You know what I'm saying
to hear that?
Speaker 3 (27:42):
Right right?
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Let me take my black ass home, soak mote and
think about, man, what could I have done differently?
Speaker 3 (27:53):
Hey, and I was hanging with with us. I was
hanging with us. We'll have a game. We have a
game of Obviously we played one o'clock. I swear for God,
you would think I wasn't even a football player for one,
not just a football player, but a star football player
at that. Because if you catch me after a football game,
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before me and the fellas go eat dinner, you can
just catch me on short mind. You can catch me
down the way. I go see my little young bulls
that enjoy the game of football. I sit there with them,
talk about the game for a little bit, you know,
chit chat. We're on the corner. Un we're on the
corner in Cincinnati. Just chill you now, talking football for
about an hour or two. I sit there with.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Them, smoking cigar.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
After the game, boom, I go down to Jay Alexander's.
My routine was the exact same for a decade straight.
It never changed.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
Well if they're still in existence, but I would go.
I would call. I would get black Eye plead with
the name of the restaurant. I would get the grilled
chicken or the Country five State. I would get Colonel,
I would get rice. I would get Colonel corn, and
I would get black Eyed Peas. Get so get a
car domination of like lemon lemon tea limits raspberry tea,
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or something, and I'm gone home. That's it. I'm gone home.
I want I want to be I want to be
miserable by myself. I don't want to see nobody. I
want to talk about. I don't want nobody to tell
me you played a good game, because I played like dog.
I don't care if I had one hundred and fifty.
I played terrible. I didn't play good enough to win,
and I don't. I don't want.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Nobody to to try to pat me on the back.
You guys gonna get no, we not no.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
I don't know what's going to happen after I'm talking
about this game. So I knew. I know how I am.
I've always been like this. Uh we lost the game
in high school, may Sea. We got man, I'm going home,
Coach taking me home. If we win, your boy, hey,
you boy, I'm gonna walk the streets with y'all.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
Right, right right right? If we lose, Yeah, you.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
Take I feel nah nah because I know, because oh ya,
I've always been one of these guys that worked so
hard for it. I know what I put in, and
the more you put into some nothing, the more it
hurt when it doesn't work out in your favor.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
See, I like what you just said. You know what
you put in. I understand what I put in. I
understand the work I put in to make sure I
it is the team game, right, it's yeah game when
to come when it when it. When it comes time
to get paid, you get paid individually. Basically, you do
make sure I did my part.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Definitely do things.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
Don't know if the other ten don't do what they
supposed to do. Now I'm not I'm not finna punish myself.
I'm punishing myself. Why am I not going nowhere?
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Because y'all sorry.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
For the get here off. They'll get my j Alexander's
offer to talk to my homeboys, you know.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
And I'm gonna go out.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
I'm gonna go to Annie's and I'm enjoying myself now.
I don't dream no alcohol, but you know, I got
my fellas with me. I got my fellas with I'm
gonna make sure they have a good time.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Man.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
Uh oh, A transformer just hit Joe's house and so
he ain't got no hour.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
What Joe got buzzled? Look he need to move.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
Hey Joe, Hey, Joe over there on one hundred million
dollar property one hundred million dollar property two hundred two
and there seventy three thousand square feet. It ain't got
no power, would have goddamn generator, Joe, Joe with a generator.
I know you got to generate out there, Joe.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
Everybody should have one, Atlanta because I'm pop up storm,
gonna pop up and knock it out.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Mick your power?
Speaker 3 (31:27):
Wow, hold on, can Joe see us right now? Hey, Joe,
can you see us a face timing?
Speaker 2 (31:32):
You got no power?
Speaker 3 (31:34):
Now? He got a cell phone?
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Huh Internet?
Speaker 3 (31:38):
You don't got Come on now, you know you know
you need LTE or g G five what you call that?
What you call the provider? The Uh yeah five? G
Hey that yet I don't require nothing. Your phone should work,
Joe facetiming, Joe, if you can see this face tipening?
Speaker 2 (31:56):
Got internet? FaceTime you?
Speaker 3 (31:58):
Yes you can? Uh no, you can't. But the internet
in the house has nothing to do with your cell
phone working man. Look here, Okay, hey, he can FaceTime.
I can just hold the phone up. He can still
be part of the show.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
Coach Prime, who was recently diagnosed with bladder cancer and
needs frequently used of the restroom, no longer has to
travel far. He has a portable toilet next to Colorado's
bench to accommodate him following bladder reconstruction surgery, and it's
sponsored being bad time tied by his.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
By Hey, hey, that that depends why I know they're
playing well for that?
Speaker 2 (32:36):
Oh yeah, for sure, because a lot of people embarrassed that.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
I wish I would why you know how many zeros
probably come come behind that, right?
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Yeah, But but but I'm saying a lot of people
are back. Don't want people to know that they to
wear you know, adults undergarnment that yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
You got to understand who Prime is. You gotta, yeah,
Prime is he wants He's one that could wear any
and everything on it shoulders don't give a damn. But
none of y'all on the outside thing.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
People wear them, but they don't want to advertise it.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
But like you said, you know, you know what I'm saying, Hey, yet,
hold on, they make them for a reason. Yeah, anytime
they make something, somebody is purchasing it. So it's a
lot of you know, sometimes women after they have kids,
it takes a while for them for those muscles to
get back strong against Sometimes men they have ladder cancl
they have rosted.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
They have issues.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
It's hard and some you know, Hey, my grandmother, my
grandmother wouldn't wear them, she said, live. I want my dignity,
So my grandmother wouldn't. My grandmother wouldn't wear them, and
you know she obviously she passed. I think granny was
eighty eight. Made and made she was eighty eight, so
she passed in July.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
Yeah, listen, I'll tell you what depends. If you see this,
come on, let your boy come on.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Ain't that wrong with you? Hey? But sometimes I do
be thinking about getting me a goose. Man.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
I'd be tired of walking to the bathroom. Man, I
just need to get me a goose and go right
inside the bed.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
Give me, give me something where I can just roll
over to the right and roll over to the left.
I don't want to get up out of bed anyway,
because I keep I keep, I keep upstairs. But by
sixty degrees sixty degrees, it's freezing up there. So when
I got to get up in the middle of the night,
sometimes I don't want to do that. I could always
you some depends.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
Hey, I'm gonna date myself here, and if you if
you my age older and you're from the South, you
know what I'm talking about. Hey, I'm gonna get me
a night pot or slop jar. See, if you're from
the South and you my age older, you know exactly.
They call them peapots, they call them night pots, they
call them slop jars.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
Slop jar.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
You google it, Okay, that's what that. Any time I
say something, I see hey, hey, you.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
Know that what that mean?
Speaker 1 (34:49):
That's see immediately any time I say something, I can
see the fake. But uh yeah, but I'll be looked
to where it depends. That's the least of that's the
least of the issues I was. I'm glad they caught
this in time. I mean, think about it. Boy, Hey, God,
good God, great? And what he instilled a man to
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take his bladder and reconstruct it.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
And you the small man, please, I like that man.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
But if anybody look this man that jo with time,
his attitude about anything. He'll make anything positive. It could
be the worst situation. He's one of the few people
no matter how bad a situation is is he can
make it positive. He can make light of a situation,
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make it a and you a and it thinks that
you know A like when I did the interview, and
I know a lot of you guys have seen the interview.
When I went up there and I started getting on
everybody's toes, he would have it any other way because
he like, you know, if it was on the if
it was you, you know, I get you, like I absolutely,
I know absolute.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
I know Joe's gonna fly nine. That's that's something that's
gonna always happen. But we all, we all had that
type of relationship though.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
Yes, oh you okay, that's what a you. Okay, you
good man. You know I'm good. Oh, you should have
told me that. You should have said, Nah, should have
told her that I gotta get you, oh Joe. The
trade heard around the world last night, the Dallas Cowboys
did the unthinkable, trading the four time Pro Bowler, defensive
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Rookie of the year, two time first team All Pro
Michael Parson to the Green Bay Packers in exchange for
two first round picks and defensive.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
Tackle Kenny Clark. The Packers handing Michael.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
Parsons the largest the largest contract for a non quarterback
in NFL history. He got a hundred four years, one
hundred and eighty eight million, one hundred and twenty fully
guaranteed at signing. Yeah, and one hundred and thirty six
total guaranteed one hundred and eighty eight million total.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
Oh Joe, Yeah, talk to me, take hold on, take
your time too.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
Now you won't be started off.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
Hey, well I can start it off because I listen,
I'm not. You will probably get a little bit more
in depth than I will. But I would just do
this chat y'all. Stay with me real quick. This is
this is all ego. This is all ego and pride
on Jerry's on Jerry's hands.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
When he did the deal and he got in front
of the camera, he did something, as always that he
shouldn't have done. One of the first things he said
is this was a good trade. And two we need
to be able to stop the run. Now you're bringing
in Kenny Clark and again once again put the pressure
on Kenny Clark and your defense and the coaching staff
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to be able to stop the run. Because who you play,
we's going on who they plan to Philly? They going
to Philly, and what does Philly do extremely well outside
of throwing.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
The ball, run the football.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
Now you're gonna put your team in a blenda doing
the same thing you will always do on it's doing
all that talking before it's even time to play. And
you ain't been in nan meeting room. You even been
on Nan field. Oh, letting one of the greatest young
superstars of all time go, and you feel your team
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has gotten better? How does that mean?
Speaker 1 (38:19):
That's that's cliche talko Joe, Oh, we got better?
Speaker 2 (38:23):
Really?
Speaker 1 (38:23):
So if you felt that way, why were you trying
to sign him? If you thought you could get better
by trading Michael Parsons, why did you even offer him
two hundred million dollars? Now, all this time, the last
four or four years, they were getting run on. I
never heard Jerry say a word about running on.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Now.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
I don't know about y'all, but the thing is, you
want guys to go hunt the quarterback. Because the Kansas
City Chiefs stopped to run. What did what did the
Eagles do? They got after my home boy? Yeah, because
that's the guy that's the head of the snake, is
your quarterback. And if Al Davis Corner said, he said,
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he's coined the phrase, the quarterback must go down, and
he must go down hard, and it needs to happen
early in the game and often see Jered see again
if you watch the documentary America's Team, the Gambler and
the and the I think the Dallas Cowboys. It was
his ego, that's what calls him and jaredy go. So
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now he done, Well, we had a handshake deal.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
What he can do that man?
Speaker 1 (39:33):
First of all, you cannot if a player has representation,
the owner or the Northern general manager can negotiate a
deal with the player.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
You must talk to his agent.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
Jerry knows that Michael probably thought, I'm shaking hand on
your hey many Jerry said, well, you shook my hand.
We got a deal. It's been reported that Michael said, okay,
Jerry called my a yeah, then oh, we do the deal.
I've done plenty of these deals. Well you shouldn't have.
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The NFL should have punished you. The NFL PA. He
told on himself, Oh, I've done plenty of these.
Speaker 3 (40:13):
Well, we have to argue. You also have to understand
the leverage that Jerry Jones has. Huh, if you got
an owner like Jerry Jones that says some of the
things that he says out loud that the owners are
not even supposed to say. Maybe, but you never actually
regurgitated in front of a camera. Understand that the whole
world is listening and watching, so you know he don't
care nothing about that. Then we talk about the same
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owner that you told me about suit the NFL. Yeah,
he had the nerve and the goal and nikahnis to
suit the NFL and say I'm going to get everything
and if I'm not mistaken, basically one.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
He basically he did. He changed it.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
So what is the NFL? He ain't gonna do what
they gonna do. Nothing they gonna do because he doesn't care.
He's in a position of power right now to be
able to do what he wants because he just let
the world know I tried to handle contract negotiations without
Michael Parson's representation. All he's doing is telling you to
his eye, I mean to to to everybody's face.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
He says he's done plenty of these.
Speaker 3 (41:16):
Yeah, two middle fingers out, what y'all gonna do?
Speaker 2 (41:18):
Well?
Speaker 1 (41:18):
Why did you do that with Dak? Why did why
did you not circumment Todd Frands?
Speaker 3 (41:23):
Hey, Dag gonna play that?
Speaker 2 (41:24):
You know?
Speaker 3 (41:25):
How you know d you you know if you don't
know Dak personally, you know? And and Jerry don't see
I I and then he doesn't have that friendly, that friendly,
bandaged relationship with with Jerry Jones, Dak is one of
the few players that actually kept it strictly business.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
Because Michael, Michaeh Michael was like that too. Michael and
Jerry didn't have Michael Micah did not have the same
type of relationship that Jerry had with Michael Irving where
he had with some of the other players of that
come along.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
Michael's like, I'm gonna do I'm here to do business.
Speaker 1 (41:56):
I'm gonna do my job to the best of my
god given ability, but a if it is a business
and I want to keep it moving now me and
I'm just talking about me, guys. I think once you know,
Jerry started saying all this stuff. You know, we pay
him who to say that we're gonna have him. Remember
he missed all these games. He's still calling the man
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Michael Parsons and not Michaeh. Even even Steven had to
say Michaeh that, you know, basically Michaeh. I don't know
if it was on purpose or not, but I'm just saying, oh, Joe,
I think as Michael as Michah started to listen to
what this man was saying, like this man don't this
man don't respect me at all. This man don't respect
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nothing about me. Jerry thinks, I mean, you own the team,
but you don't own me. And that's how that's how
Jerry thinking. Jerry thinking, if I pay you, I should,
I should tell you. Coming in the old days that
had the muse, they say, g and har you take
it up at your stock mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (42:57):
That's how Jerry's mentality is.
Speaker 1 (43:01):
I'm just I'm not saying that he don't feel the
same well about the other players, but I'm just saying
his mentality is, if I pay.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
You, you do what I tell you to do.
Speaker 3 (43:11):
Bro.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
It ain't like that.
Speaker 1 (43:13):
And as and it is reported, I don't know. Jane
Slater said that Michael says, Okay, let's get a deal.
Jerry said, Nah, you're gonna play on the fifth of
your option, or you can leave.
Speaker 2 (43:24):
Will make it happen.
Speaker 3 (43:25):
Then you got the right one because I'm not playing.
Speaker 2 (43:27):
I'm not playing for twenty one or twenty four. I'm not.
Speaker 1 (43:31):
So whatever you gotta do, do what you gotta do.
So so what about all So I'm just trying to
all these years because the Cowboys weakness over the last
since Mike has been there or before he got there,
was the inability to stop the run. I remember Cleveland
Browns ran for three hundred yards Arizona, the Cardinals ran
for three hundred. The Baltimore Ravens ran for three hundred.
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Pick a team that didn't run. Jerry ain't mentioned nothing.
So if you just got better, because I remember when
Jerry was there and chat correct me from wrong all
the time, that he was telling you these teams remind
him of those super Bowl winning teams. He just traded
a player that was on the team that he said
had as much talent, if not more than no super
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Bowl winning team.
Speaker 2 (44:16):
He just traded him and said he got better.
Speaker 3 (44:21):
Listen, Kenny, Kenny Clark is good. Kenny Clark and good.
He ain't no, he ain't no slouch. He's thirty. But
we talk about Michael Parsons. We talk about Michael Parsons.
We talk about a generational talent.
Speaker 1 (44:34):
I'm going in the draft looking for Michael Parsons, a T. J. Watt,
a Miles Garrett. I'm trying to get Those are transfer
transformational players. Yes, those are the guys that you're trying
to get. I tell you what. Tell me the run
stopper that's in that's in the Hall of Fame. They
got a gold jacket. Even we were just talking about
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Lennar Williams, he's talking about how Aaron Donald changed it.
Speaker 2 (44:58):
Where they won't.
Speaker 1 (44:59):
They won't guys the de tackle to go get double
digit sacks. Different because they throw the ball so much
emphasis on the passing game. I need a guy that
can attack the quarterback. That's what Michael Parsons does. First
of all, Jared, you're not. You're gonna have to because
here's the thing, oh Joe. The way they're constructed this team,
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the Dallas Cowboys, the office is supposed to get the lead.
The team is supposed to be ahead. The other team
can't run the football they throw Michael Parsons, go hunt
the quarterback. What happens when Dak turns it over or
they don't have this big lead. So now, because you
struct the constructed a team that you're lighting the bridges,
you can't hold up when they boom. Yeah, coming boom,
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and they're coming boom right, like Marshawn.
Speaker 2 (45:49):
Said, over and over and over and over.
Speaker 3 (45:53):
You hit him in the face.
Speaker 2 (45:55):
That's what Jarry don't understand.
Speaker 1 (45:56):
So unless you're gonna unless you're gonna redesign your team, yeah,
let me know how you know how to work out
for you.
Speaker 3 (46:05):
But again I would say that the trade, the trade is,
it's not it's not even swapping in any way based
on skill and talent at the positions. Kenny Clark is
very good. Kenny Clark is very good, but.
Speaker 2 (46:19):
He had a down year, but he said he had
a foot injury last year.
Speaker 3 (46:22):
But Michael Parsons is a generational talent. I don't care
what people say they try to hate. I don't. I
don't care what it may be. I mean, if your eyes,
if you know the game of football, if you watch football,
you know, even for me as being a receiver, I
understand what he brings to the table regardless of what
team he goes to. He's a difference maker completely. He
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wrecks havoc. Oh yeah, And I can't believe Jerry did that.
I can't believe Jerry said some of the things he
said for it to even get to this point, because
if you paid him last year ahead of time and
and tried to copycat with some of the other owners,
are doing around the NFL to continue to build team
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winning teams. Then you wouldn't have this issue. You would
run into this problem. But your ego continues to get
in your way, and it's been getting your way to
pass thirty years.
Speaker 1 (47:12):
Every time he talks, oh Joe toepops out because he
got the whole foot in his mouth. Oh yeah, So
every time he talk, I see another toe, I said,
there it is, hey, But I will say this.
Speaker 2 (47:21):
Look it.
Speaker 1 (47:22):
Look when you when you get drafted somewhere, there's something
there's there's like a sense of loyalty that you know.
I want, you know what. I want to be a
one Jersey guy. I want to be one helmet. I
want to stay here for the rest of my career.
And I do believe Micah would have preferred to stay there.
Speaker 2 (47:36):
Me.
Speaker 1 (47:37):
Okay, the Packers gave him forty seven million, oh jo,
but to stay in Dallas, I took forty four. Yeah,
let me tell you why, because what can I do
with forty four that I got to have forty seven
because see if plus Now it's being reported that the
podcast caused some problems. See the podcast is on the value,
but when he's a cowboy ain't nobody would to ay.
(47:58):
They want to hear about the Cowboys, want to hear
about the Boys. They want to hear about Jerry, they
want to hear about Dak. I'm sorry, and this is
not a shot at no other team. But there's a reason,
there's a reason.
Speaker 3 (48:08):
Why it's different.
Speaker 2 (48:10):
It's different absolutely.
Speaker 3 (48:13):
Anything attached to that star. Right, if you're playing there,
you want to take advantage of that window when you
are there because it comes with so much, bro it
comes with so much.
Speaker 1 (48:26):
Troy Media, Uh, Romo Media, Dandy Don Meredith, Media media,
Michael Irvin media, what other what other franchise can boast that?
Now that the guy that called the color guy? Do
you know the color guys? Troy Two of the profmat
(48:48):
prominent spots occupied by Cowboys quarterback. Now I know loud
of y'all don't remember when Dandy Don Meredith was on
was on ABC with Howard Cosell.
Speaker 2 (48:59):
He was a cowboy. Michael Irvin, what a cowboy?
Speaker 1 (49:06):
Moose Johnson move cowboys, Hey swag cowboy. That's not an accident.
That's not an accident. And plus, if you look, Michael
Lervin ain't calling football. Michael ivern make millions. Mmy make millions.
It ain't none of them calling football around the football
(49:28):
in two decades. Michael retired before me, and Emmy retired
a year after me.
Speaker 2 (49:36):
So and.
Speaker 1 (49:41):
Jimmy Jimmy, Jimmy just retired. Yeah, so think about that,
old Joe. That's not an accident. So the money that
you were gonna be able to make now, look it's
all mute. Now, it's a mute moot. It's a moot point.
Mute means you can't hear moot obsolete anyway, With that
being said, it doesn't matter now. But I'm just saying,
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if the opportunity would have presented itself, yes, say okay,
we got hey, we're not gonna give you forty seven
because this really reset the market. Forty four would have
reset the market. That's three million dollars more than what
my what what TJ. Watt got, So that's an extra
twelve million. They went six, they were twenty four. So
(50:23):
I don't I don't have a problem. It hurted o
Joe because anytime they a team trade you and say
we were good without you.
Speaker 2 (50:33):
Or the thought of.
Speaker 3 (50:34):
It, Yeah, that's that's that's and I don't like it.
I don't like this. What I that's what I hate.
I hate when when players get traded, players that we
know are really good players that play for our team,
and you know how good the player is, and when
they get traded, then as a fan.
Speaker 2 (50:51):
Fan start talking to oh, yeah, he wouldn't.
Speaker 3 (50:54):
He wasn't that good anyway. Yeah, come on, man.
Speaker 1 (50:57):
We never said that when he was there saying that.
Now again, that's your team. That's their team, O Joe,
and you look, it's team because guess what, somebody else
is gonna wear that number eleven one day. All they
see is the star on that helmet. Players come and go.
They're interchangeable. They've had great players with the Cowboys all
the way back when they came into existence in nineteen
(51:18):
sixty when they drafted Bob Lilly and they got Redney White,
and they got all these guys. They got a lot
of a lot of Hall of famers. Yeah, and so
that's what they see.
Speaker 2 (51:28):
They see.
Speaker 1 (51:29):
It doesn't the name. Okay, Yeah, we love Emmy, we
love Troy, We love those guys. But guess what we
got new Cowboys Now we love them too.
Speaker 3 (51:36):
Well, here, you just let all of the future Hall
of Famer.
Speaker 1 (51:39):
Go and I know Michael wanted one of those blue
coats that you know, the ring of fan which you
saw Jimmy and you saw, you saw em, and and
all those guys wearing.
Speaker 2 (51:51):
Those blue coats. We have orange ones.
Speaker 1 (51:53):
You know, somebody, I think the Dolphins got that teal color,
if I'm not mistaken. The Patriots got the red got
red coats. Yeah, that's not gonna happen now because you know,
think about how long it took him to.
Speaker 2 (52:03):
Put Jimmy in.
Speaker 3 (52:05):
Yeah mm hm.
Speaker 2 (52:07):
Mike A.
Speaker 1 (52:07):
I mean, and they probably look he got enough money
and and and the difference was, ohoe, is that Michael's
twenty six. In three years, he can come back to
the table and get another big deal exactly Herein wanted
to do five years plus the plus the the fifty option, which.
Speaker 3 (52:22):
Your six, to make sure you won't be able to
come back and double dip.
Speaker 2 (52:29):
Yep, yep.
Speaker 1 (52:32):
But uh.
Speaker 2 (52:35):
Oh Joe.
Speaker 1 (52:36):
We had this conversation chat now it was Green Bay
man people. They need to stop making up stuff, oh cho.
And now we tried to tell y'all when these when
these stuff, this stuff keeps leaking out, it's coming from somewhere.
I know, y'all don't want to believe that your favorite
player or they could potentially trade your favorite player or
(52:56):
release your favorite player. I know you don't want to
believe that. But where you think this stuff comes from?
Speaker 2 (53:02):
People?
Speaker 1 (53:02):
So if all the things someone could have said Michael
Pass to the Packers was what they went with. Of
all the things they could have said, of all the
teams thirty two teams, fifty three players per team, plus
somewhere between thirteen and sixteen practice squad guys, of every storyline,
they could have said, this is what they went with.
Speaker 3 (53:21):
Hey, where there's smoke, this fire, Where there's smoked this fire,
you know, And the first thing you want to say, well,
who's your source? Don't worry about the source. Whatever you're
hearing from somewhere. They know how to set out there.
I don't know how they get it out there, but
they get it out there.
Speaker 1 (53:40):
This is how they get it out there. Hey, man,
I'm gonna tell you something. Hey, it ain't you ain't
hear from me, Hey, put your spin on it, Okay, I'm.
Speaker 2 (53:51):
Just I'm just telling you how it is.
Speaker 3 (53:54):
Oh man, I love them.
Speaker 1 (53:56):
I'm not an insider. I'm not and I don't really
try to break no news. Could I could, but that
is't that. That ain't what I was when I was
on CBS. That's not what they paid me for. They
had Charlie Castley for that. When I was on Fox.
That's what they had Jay Glazer for. I'm with ESPN,
that's what they got Adam Chefter for. I ain't breaking nothing.
I'm gonna keep my relationship because I have to be
(54:16):
very very careful because people got all over me when
I said what I was saying about when russ Man, Well,
how you know, I don't know he ain't in the
locker room, right, Okay, But I'm just saying so I
just said, at that point in time, I said, you
know what, Shannah, it ain't even worth it.
Speaker 2 (54:35):
It ain't it ain't it ain't even worth it to you.
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (54:40):
I'm just gonna speak, well, this is what you know
for me if I was in the locker room X,
Y and Z knowing.
Speaker 2 (54:49):
Knowing.
Speaker 1 (54:53):
But but oh Joe, you could tell. The more and more.
Speaker 3 (54:57):
Jerry talked, he made it the more.
Speaker 1 (55:00):
The more he was like Doug in hey.
Speaker 2 (55:05):
You know what he called Steven a. He wanted to
get it.
Speaker 1 (55:08):
He wanted to get his point out there with Steven
Ave and a a sitting.
Speaker 2 (55:11):
Down with Jerry.
Speaker 1 (55:12):
Jerry's like this first time we got him under contract
for three more years, nobody was you and I had
that discussion. I said, oh, Jo, he got the fifth
year option and he got two franchise tags, so theoretically
he could be a jerk about it and says, okay,
play on the fifth year option, franchise franchise.
Speaker 2 (55:29):
Okay, go ahead and go. But I done got seven
years of service at.
Speaker 3 (55:32):
You listen, and Michael was gonna be a jerk too.
You notice you notice they say he was cleared for
his back pains, right, so you know what he did.
Or y'all want to play games, so we're gonna play
the game. I'm gonna go get a second opinion. I'm
gonna make sure the second pinion I get, make sure
let y'all know that I can't play, right, he was
finna play the game, so jerry'llo, okay, you know what
(55:56):
he ain't playing. He not fin the fold he game,
so it's better.
Speaker 2 (56:02):
Third opinion.
Speaker 1 (56:03):
Yeah yeah, So that'd opinion sounded too much like the
first opinion, So let me go get a third opinion.
Speaker 2 (56:10):
I need a descending I need a descending vote. You
know three.
Speaker 1 (56:13):
You know, look, the Cowboys said they're a better team.
I don't know how you trade your best defensive player.
I believe he uh uh, he's the best. He was
their best player on either side of the ball. I
don't know how you trade him and get better. We'll
see what they do with the draft compensation. You know,
(56:34):
you can look at uh Houston and say, when they
traded to Shawn.
Speaker 2 (56:38):
They got better. Yeah, CJ.
Speaker 1 (56:40):
Stroud, they got Nico Collins, they got Anderson, so you know,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (56:45):
You can say, oh, they got better. They got all They.
Speaker 1 (56:47):
Got some All pros over there. They got a franchise quarterback.
You got a hell of a defensive lineman. You got
a really young, great receiver.
Speaker 2 (56:57):
We did all right, O Choe.
Speaker 3 (56:59):
That's now that's getting better.
Speaker 1 (57:01):
That's getting better. But I want to I want to
see what they do with the draft picks. But I
don't know. If you can't attack a team's quarterback, that's
how they're built. You were built. They got undersized offensive linement,
except Masie Smith, but that's his job. So you put
so another word, you put all the well we didn't
stop the run.
Speaker 2 (57:21):
Well, look at look at my bro you singing?
Speaker 1 (57:24):
So you singing so now because you guys got ran on,
you put all that on Michael.
Speaker 3 (57:31):
Wait a minute, he said the problem is fixed now
though he said the problem is SA is fixed. We
got better, We got Kenny Carr. Therefore I feel we
can stop the run now. So now you don't put
the pressure on them boys. And them boys didn't even
play yet, and they got to play the Eagles week one.
So when things don't turn out how you said they are,
(57:52):
as far as you guys getting better and stop the run.
And you got Sae Kwon Barkley running for two hundred
and fifty yards on you. Now you got another problem.
Speaker 2 (58:01):
With Jayla Hurt.
Speaker 1 (58:02):
With Jayla Hurts ordered Uber eats back there talking about
what they got. I like the Mogo got paying. I
like the General Joe's Chicken. I like the hey y'all got,
y'all got egg rolls.
Speaker 3 (58:14):
Be back there smoking a cigar, chilling.
Speaker 1 (58:16):
Yeah, because Lane Johnson and my latter ain't to be
played with.
Speaker 3 (58:21):
And that ain't nothing by nothing by about how we've
gotten better, not realizing who you play Week one. Do
you remember the defensive? Do you understand the office of
the line? You' getting ready to play week one?
Speaker 2 (58:33):
Are you sure?
Speaker 3 (58:34):
Are you sure you've gotten better?
Speaker 2 (58:36):
Hey?
Speaker 1 (58:37):
And you got the commanders, So we're gonna find out.
You know, look a lot of times.
Speaker 2 (58:45):
Ont Jo.
Speaker 1 (58:46):
You know, hey, we all have it. We all have it.
We make up our minds or something. I don't care.
It might be the best thing for us. But sometimes
we'll cut our nose off the spitte, our face. I'm
gonna show you. I'm gonna show you. You think I can't,
You think I can't live without you, you think I
can't be without you, I'm gonna show you. Sometimes we
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can't get out of our own way, Ojo. And then
when you realize the gravity of the mistake that you've made,
it's too late. It's too late. We've all been there, chat,
we've all been there. We've all a you know, I can.
They're plenty fishing to see. But as my grandmother told
my aunt, you might not catch him and Jerry Jared
(59:38):
Jones had plenty to say about the biggest reason for
not signing Michael Parson, because the Cowboys need to stop
the run. He also said we can win more without
Michaeh than when had we signed it. So if that's
the case, why were you trying to sign it? Why
was it such a big deal in this handshake deal?
Why were you trying to get him to sign this contract?
See Ojo, if he had never offered Michael a contract,
(59:59):
I could agree with everything that he's said. Yes, Jerry
also had a comeback for a reporter asking how players
can get a contract extension. Oh, you'll take a listen
to what Jerry had to say about that, right, Dak.
Speaker 4 (01:00:13):
Jerry, Michaeh had twelve plus sacks and each the last
four years very productive for other Cowboys players coming up
the line, they see how this negotiation with Michael win.
How would you answer the question? Well, gee, what do
I have to do to get an extension if Mike
Goah can't get one?
Speaker 2 (01:00:30):
Hash Dak.
Speaker 3 (01:00:33):
Highest paid man in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
But guess what, Ojo, Yes, sir, did you do this
deal with Dak? Or did you work with Todd? Friends with?
That's all I want to know.
Speaker 1 (01:00:43):
That's all I want to know, And then I'm gonna
go ask that Jerry Jones, did you work with Dak?
Did you have a handshake deal with Dak Prescott or
did you work with his representation?
Speaker 3 (01:00:53):
Representation? You know, Dak don't play that, Okay, you know
Dak gonna play that. Absolutely not.
Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
And the first of all, they couldn't agree on the years, yea.
And they they couldn't agree on the years, So that
that was that was an issue to start with.
Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
That was an issue to start with the time gave.
Speaker 1 (01:01:11):
Him four years, Jerry one five because the more years
you got, oh Joe, you could spread the money out there.
Speaker 2 (01:01:18):
You know, you can kick the can. Uh, Michael say,
y'all don't kick the can for three years.
Speaker 1 (01:01:22):
Then y'all have to come see me because guess what,
the numbers are gonna be so big and they're not
any more guaranteed money. It's the same thing with Miles Garrett.
Remember Miles Garret said, well, I don't know if I
can win here because he ain't have no more guaranteed
money on those final two years. So he's like, man,
I don't know, you know, I don't know if the
direction they said, well one hundred and forty million dollars
is going in the right direction.
Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
That's the direction I'm headed it. I get it to
the bank.
Speaker 3 (01:01:44):
He he Miles take over my shoulder. Miles understood the business.
He understood the bsiness aspect, not having any money guaranteed left. Okay,
I gotta I gotta shake it up now. I got
to shake it up. I gotta shake it up now.
Speaker 2 (01:01:57):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (01:01:57):
And he's the best player. He's gonna be. He's probably
gonna be. I don't know where they are right now.
They're listening to the top one hundred, but he's probably
gonna be a top He's gonna be a top ten,
might even be top five.
Speaker 2 (01:02:07):
So he had he had the leverage. You can't let
Miles Garrett go.
Speaker 1 (01:02:13):
Although there have been a lot of teams, you know,
I thought that if Detroit, Detroit had to get him,
Detroit would have had to mortgage everything.
Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
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Speaker 2 (03:26):
You know, big them out, chig them out.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Hey, I got a question, now, go ahead, boy, Devo
Debo doing everything you can to stay away from me.
He dug. I'm just saying I'm not I'm not I'm
not saying he ducking me. But I'm just saying, by
the look what he has going on.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
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dodging you, but he ain't really looking for you.
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Speaker 2 (03:49):
Yeah right?
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Yeah, okay, oh Joe. College football is officially back. We
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start to come. And tonight's game, Georgia Tech go on
the road and in Folksome Field at CU they win
twenty seven twenty Hayes King thirteen of twenty one forty three.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
He throwed an.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Exception, but it was his legs that was the difference.
Nineteen rushes a buck fifty six three rushing touchdown, the
last one forty five yards to put them ahead with
the minute and seven seconds left in the ball game.
And they go on the road and they defeat the
Buffalo's twenty seven twenty the first game with Asher Door
Sanders and the receiver Travis Hunter. So Colorado is on
(04:32):
a new era. Now a Kaitlyn Salt, I think that's
his name. Seventeen to twenty eight, one to fifty nine,
one touchdown. They ran the ball really well, thirty one
for a buck forty six, but it was Georgia Tech
forty seven rushes three hundred and twenty seven yards. Oh cho,
I was disgusted watching this game. I said, what about
gap integrity? What about contained? Georgia Tech has run the
(04:56):
football since I was a kid, even when they had
I try and they ran the damn football. When they
had to Marryus Thomas, they ran the football. Georgia Tech
runs the football. It's like if you play the Naval
academy or army. You know they're gonna run the football.
Oh Joe, I'm like.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Living still. Are you gonna make any adjustment? Guys?
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Are you what is your responsibility? What about your gap integrity?
What about what about your contained responsibility? I'm like, this
is utterly ridiculous. And quarterback psalter bro, you missed entirely
too many throws. He missed entirely too many throws. Ojoe
and number and number twenty got a nice set of
hands on him. The running back road he wide open.
(05:37):
And I hate when quarterbacks do this. So Joe, when
you miss a throw, you go to the running back
or you go to the wide receiver. Tomorrow, I wanted you, no, Bro,
I was right there. Put it on me. All you
had to do is hit me right here. Don't talk
about don't do that, don't do that. You fed it
up and he had to go on thirty ten. He
missed entirely too many throws, but their defense let him
(05:57):
down tonight. You can't let somebody come into your building
and run the ball forty seven times at three hundred
twenty yards.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Hold, let me see what before you go over to
your let me see what. YESU see if I want
to see uh no to go back.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Fox score man. Oh Joe, this was I'm like, but
I knew. I was on the phone with my brother
early in the game. A team give you three turnovers
at home in the first quarter and you want to
go seven points. You're telling that team beat me, beat me,
kick our ass. You're supposed to have to bear them.
They didn't, and they got what they deserved. I'll go
(06:39):
ahead on you. I'll find on the second go ahead.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
I said.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Listen.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
What I was going to say is, obviously, we all
want to see what Colorado, Colorado would look like without
Shadoor's sayings, without Travis Hunter, and they didn't look that
bad first game of the season. You want to get
the kings out. You want to see what areas you
need to improve in. Obviously we see defensively, defensively, Colorado
has to be a stop to run. Because now it's
out there on tape. What do we do when we
(07:03):
play against the Colorado Buffalo's to have success? We run
the ball.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
That was the issue last year though, Old Joe, damn,
that was the issue last year.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Obviously, Georgia Tech showed that that's a that's a that's
an area that hasn't been filled, so that needs to
be addressed. Boom for me, for me. The beginning of
the game, Georgia Tech tried to hand the hand the
game to Colorado. They tried to hand the game too.
I'm saying, but god damn, in my mind, I'm looking boom.
After the first turnover, old them boy went down the squad,
(07:32):
and then it was two more turnovers after that. I'm like, well,
all right, I don't like the way just looking because
you got the ball back two more times, you know,
in the first quarter for Georgia quarter, and you're only
do something with it one time. I say, you know what,
if gonna come down, it's gonna come down to the end,
it's gonna come down to the end, because offensively, they're
not doing enough. They're not doing it offensively to to
(07:56):
put me at ease and to put you know, to
make me calm. Because but one the first tone over
it was all the way in your territory, so of
course it was easy to go down the score. But
the other two it seemed like you really couldn't move
the ball.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
They didn't.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
Right, You tried, you tried everything you could. Established the
run that the room.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Was it was it was they ran for they ran,
I mean they ran for a hundred and forty six yards.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
Yeah, obviously, young it wasn't enough. It wasn't enough. You wanted.
You want a happy balance of both, you know, to
to kind of keep the keep the defense, you know,
on on on their heels or not knowing what's gonna come.
Are they gonna run it? Are they gonna throw it?
But they weren't good enough in the air either.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
No, there was quarterback. Oo.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Look, I think he has tremendous arm talent. Oh yeah, bro,
you don't have to impress us with every throw of
your arm. You're missing routine throws. He's gonna have to
learn how to throw better on the move because on
the move he's not very good. And you know we're
gonna we're gonna be nice, O Joe, because he's a
college kid. These are professionals.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Make it.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
Huh, it's week one two, it's week one.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
O Joe. Throw it on the move.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
That should be able to week one week no one
week anything. You should be able to throw. He oho
the throws that he's missing because that's third down. You're
off the field. You want to stay on the field.
I want another crack, Give me four more cracks at
you right, And we saw him miss numerous throws. The
second time he had an opportunity, Oh Joe, why would
it He could have ran the ball to the end
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zone instead of throwing it. Yeah, yeah, bro, we understand
that you have a nice arm. I mean we saw
him launch at sixty sixty five yards. But Bro, sometimes
you gotta understand, Okay, this is an opportunity for me.
That was not the time for you to try to dazzle.
Try to impress us with your arm. Pick up the
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first down and another thing. Oh Joe, Then I'm gonna
turn it back over to you. I don't know what
coach Primean was thinking. They got the ball back with
a minute and seven seconds in the ball game. You
got two time outs and you don't use any You
talk no same two time outs.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
You had to start that drive and you go into
the locker room with them.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
So you throw one pass behind the line of scrimmage,
you get tackled, you don't call time out, You throw
complete another pass on second down, you don't call time out,
and then the quarterback picks up a third down. But
he burns eight nine ten seconds on the top. The
hell are y'all doing on the scramble? I'm I'm not
sure what was going on.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
And in that situation, obviously you want to use those
timeouts to give yourself as much time as possible. Yes,
continue running players to try to get down in some
type of range to throw a hell Mary pass. I'm
not sure what the what the issue was there, but listen,
they got some stuff they need to work on. They
have some stuff they need to work on, and I'm
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sure Prime is glad that college football is back. We're
out there playing against opponents and not just ourselves, so
we can see what areas we need to get better at. Obviously,
some areas are some of the same lot stuff that
we had issues with. Laugh here, I'm gonna start with
just the running game, being able to out the run game,
having the headless, having the meat and potatoes to be
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able to compete up there in the trenches and stop
people from running down your goddamn throat. Three that's where
it starts.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Three twenty.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
Yeah, that's a lot. That's a lot too, boy, Oh,
that's that's a whole lot.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Now, running the football and stopping the run is about will,
it's about want to because schematically, I can't do anything,
o Jo.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
They wasn't doing anything.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
He faked the tall and then they pull a guard,
or they pull a double guard to tackle, or they'll
pull a guard and they'll pull a running back. That's
all they were doing. They weren't doing anything the past game. Schrammatically,
o Jo, I can scheme people when I run the football.
It wasn't nothing fancy. Yeah, it was nothing. It was
our guys kick your guys's ass.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
I did. Yep, that's what we did.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
And that's why football if for me mentally the toughest work,
because you know why, Ojo, you're asking the one man
to move another man against his wheel. Now I know Colorado,
they want to leave that that patch of grass, that
that a gap, that b gap that see or contained.
I know they didn't want to leave it with Georgia
Takes say you're getting your ass.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Up out of here? You getting up out of here?
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Yeah, And I'm like, bro, what Livingston?
Speaker 2 (12:19):
I know A I look, you go back and you
watch the film. There's a lot there's nothing.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
You didn't really do a whole lot good other than
the fact, you know when they got the lead. I
mean you came down there when got twenty, you match them.
But then they go right back down the field, right
back down the field, and they ran the football, O choke.
Do you know what it takes to take the goal?
Seventy five sixty five seventy yards and I just run it.
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Mayby threw one pass, Thyty threw one pass.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
Yeah, on the on the ground. At that on the ground?
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Is that? Hey?
Speaker 3 (12:51):
Listen? You know you know the difference. You know the
difference and what matters when it come wins and losses.
What you got up there in your front You got
the trenches. You ain't gotta listen. If you ain't got
enough beating potatoes up there in your front and in
your front yard, and you got you them boys, ain't
got enough rocks in the back pocket, You're gonna get moved.
You're gonna get moved around. You can get pushed around.
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You know you understand that. And that's what you saw tonight.
Week won the same agues you had last year. And
it's only one way to fix it. You got to
get them big hogs up there. You got to that's
the only way to stop it. And then if you
don't have the side. You got to have people that
want it. M h, people that got this, that want
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to come downhill. Well you know it. You want to
move me against my wheel, Well let me show you.
I'm not one of those that you just gonna I
ain't going, Hey, I I ain't going nowhere. I ain't
going I'm coming to the party. It don't matter what
time I get there, but I'm gonna be there.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Corners, oh Joe, whatever happened to I'm not gonna let
my outside arm get pinned. You never give up that
leverage where the hell leverage word is contained?
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Don't know? I mean, I'm sure it's hard for me
to believe.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
With the personnel that time has on that staff, they
don't teach leverage. They don't teach contained, they don't teach gap, responsibility,
gap integrity. I refuse to believe that. And constantly I
see I see DB's giving up the outside arm and
the guy running down the sideline. Constantly I see off
defensive alignment. I was like, Bro, that is your gap.
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How you let that man get you up out of there?
That is your gap?
Speaker 3 (14:32):
And the funny thing about it is coaches can coach
it and repeat it over and over and over and
over as many time as they won't or when the
bus is flying on. You have one responsibility to take
what you're toy and execute X's nose. That all comes
down to want too. That all comes down to want
to at the end of.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
The day, Oh Joe, here's the thing. When you walking
through something, yeah, it's easy. But if you want to
find out what a man can do, put him to
the test. The test is when the hut, when that
ball moves, that's the test.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
See.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
I know what you do. I know what you're doing
when you're walking through. I know what you're doing. But
if you want to know what a man can really do,
put him to the test. Put his ass under the
gun and let's see what he does. Because I've seen
so many guys and you have to be practice. They
look like, oh, they'll better catching the ball, running the ball.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
I'm like, what damn?
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Look at breaking the ball?
Speaker 3 (15:35):
Did y'alle Sanders?
Speaker 2 (15:37):
And then getting the game and he playing like Colonel Sanders.
I'm like, oh no, hell no, bad.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Please sot chaut I'm sorry, chout up on one tonight.
If you guys can tell that Colorado game that got
me pissed off. I don't know. I'm to the highest
I'm pistivity.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Is that a word?
Speaker 3 (16:03):
Who ain't playing like Colonel Who?
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Yeah, I mean in practice they looking like Deon Sanders
breaking on the ball. Now they getting the game, they
looking like Colonel Sanders fried chicken.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
Oh God.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
And I'm looking and I understand you. I understand some
of these guys. I mean, I mean starting for the
first time, bright lights, it's different. That's but that that's
what that's what makes we who? Who make us who
we are? To being able to perform under under the rest,
under adversity, and not forget that I can't get my
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outside on pin.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
I got to.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
I got to, I got the whole contained. I've got
to maintain my leverage. I've got to. I got to
have sound gap responsibility. And you can't throw that out
the window because now all of a sudden they firing
off the ball. That's the thing. You got to be
able to hold that, and said, I'm not Look, maybe
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I'm using turns, but you watched the game. You saw
what I saw. Hell, my old lass could have ran
through some of them holes. Now I wouldn't have got
no forty five yards, but I have got the first down,
like damn.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
It, they've got cut loop.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
It's the first game, oyoe, and for me, I've always
felt that I wanted at home, especially the first game.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
O yoet I got a hold, So I got a hold.
And listen, they have any opportunity, they have this opportunity.
When they got those those that second and that third
tone over and do it and didn't do anything with
the ball. I said, it's gonna be a long night.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Told that should.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Have set the tone for the game right there.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Should have put them down the worst case scenario, oh yo,
put them down thirteen nothing, seventeen nothing, Yes, at worst
case with three turnovers and that team's on the road,
you're in your home. It can't be seven nothing going
into the second quarter. It cannot be. It cannot be.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
And it puts all there. It puts all the pressure
back on Georgia Tech.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
The half cop go ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Now I'm gonna say it puts all the pressure back
on Georgia Tech where you won't have that comfortability of
being able to run the ball all one and half
all second half long.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Because guess what, oo, I still got it. I still hey,
you didn't take me out. You didn't take me out
of what I want to do because it's only seven nothing. Now,
maybe if it's seventeen nothing, maybe if it's twenty one nothing.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
But now even with these turnovers, you allow me to
still stay in my comfort zone.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
So yes, sir, damn.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Hey, I don't know how to do it, ojo.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
But most of the time, if somebody, if you don't
make somebody get up out of if you got if
you written apartment, if you use somebody laying lord and
they gonna they go a month or two and they
ain't paid you your money, there's a good chance they're
not gonna pay.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Your week, three, a month, four month, five months, six.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
So they's squiden. They squatten.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Basically, I've got a okay, guess what you come home
in the lock it pad locked or the locks changed,
and then I don't know why, I don't know what happened.
I know what happened. You thirteen thousand, you're fifteen thousand
in the rears on rent. And I've got the responsibility
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I got, I got banks that want their mortgage on
this on this building.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
And you talk about man I bank.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
No one to hear nothing about you lost your job,
right because I can't. You know what, I'm gonna bring
you your money next month because you know, a couple
of my tenants lost their job.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
They're not trying to hear that, O Joe.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
So in this situation right here, all Colorado did with
yell across the field, Hey, appreciate the three turnovers.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Now kick our ass.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
Yeah, thats it. You got turnover in the first quarter,
you got you got to do something with that. You
got to have advantage of second one. I say, Okay,
if they get another one, we gotta we got to.
We got to. We got to find a way to
get the game out of their hands, make it a
little easier on the back end. But once they after
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that second one and they went, damn, damn them, damn
there three and outs. You know, damn them they did.
Might might as well have been I said, you know,
it's gonna be a long night.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Well I knew, I knew they wouldn't win this game.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Once they got them three turnovers in the first quarter
and they only came away with seven points, and you
allowed Georgia Tech to stay within the scheme of what
they want to do. The first thing I want to do.
If you are a running team, I want to get
you out of that. I don't want you to be
able to run the football. I want to what do
you do? What is the second best thing that you do.
I want to play to that. I don't want you
to play to your strength, Oh chick, I want you
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to play to your weakness. And if you beat me
with your weakness, O Joe, I come to the center field, Congratulations,
good job, Hey, stay healthy. I see you down the road, coach.
But I'm not gonna let you beat me when I
know that's what you want to do.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Right.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
But like I said, uh uh, the decoordinator, I understand
y'all put a lot of time in because you know
what Georgia Tech does. Georgia Tech wants to run the football.
But your gap, integrity, your leverage, your contain was piss poor. Yeah,
and that'll call you to lose a lot of games.
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That called you to lose a lot of games. We
had this conversation last year when they played Kansas. We
had these conversations over the years when we're discussing Colorado
about being able to stop the run. Now, one thing
I will say, Oh Joe, they look better in past protection. Yeah,
that left tackle is gonna go play at the next level.
That left tackle number seventy seven, you gonna play at
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the next level. Yeah, he's gonna play. Yeah, he gonna
go play. He's gonna he gonna be playing on Sundays.
But they got to do a better job. I don't
care how good you are offensively if you cannot stop
the run because they're just I mean, think about it.
They still have five more minutes of possession with three
turnovers and a lot of turnovers. Are like two plays
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one play turnover, three plays turnover.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
You give them, you give them the ball back too fast.
You're not doing nothing with it, not doing You're not
doing nothing with it.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
Man I man, I was, man, I was so frustrated
because I'm like, bro.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
Hold on, you think you frustrated tonight, Wait till you wait,
wait till you see tomorrow's game. You might be frustrated again.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Who who played tomorrow?
Speaker 3 (22:33):
What Texas?
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Else?
Speaker 3 (22:34):
State what you mean for?
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Yeah, look, I think the thing is, oh your when games,
if you know somebody, I'm gonna be watching because I
like sort I know sorrk here and I can we communicate?
Speaker 2 (22:45):
So yes, I'm gonna be I'm gonna be pulling for Sorry.
I'm sorry, Chad.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Yes, I'm gonna be pulling for Sorry because I like him.
But you know, when you know time you kind of invested.
You know, you and I both have gone to see
you watched them play. Uh, it's a great atmosphere. And
this was a willow game for Colorado. But they did
everything they possibly could to help Georgia Tech steal it
from them.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Ye, but Georgia Tech and steal it.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
They went on the road, they outplayed them, and coach says, look,
we got We give their defense credit because the defense Bowl.
They're back because they got the three. They only gave
up seven points all of those three turnovers, so that
could have they could have gotten they could have gotten
out of hand. Colorado took care of football. They didn't
turn it over, not one time. They had less penalties.
But when you when you let the team go run
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for three twenty three twenty, I mean, first of all,
two hundred yards a lot. We just starting letting teams
get three hundred four hundred yards running on you?
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Please yeah, please.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
But uh, I'm sure Coach Prime, I don't know how
they do it. In college, Joe Jose, I mean we
played on we played Saturday. We was off Sunday unless
we played like horse and coach and make us put
our uniforms on and go practice, go practice. And I
was thinking about that. Oh you you, oh yo, do
you know? I mean think about it.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Oho.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
If you played the game on Monday, I mean Sunday,
and the coaching you in the Cincinnati and said, oh
you put your pants on, we going to practice on
the Monday.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
I don't know about that. Listen, hey, gray, grown folk
now grown folks that ain't finna work. We are not
putting no pads on after playing a three hour game
on a Sunday. That's not happening. I'm not sure who
the captain would be, but I can guarantee you they
will not be in no pads after game day. You
already know how we feel in after the game day.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
What yes, absolutely no.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
You know how long it takes to get out of
bed after a game. Man, I do put on some pads.
Pads who shoot, Nah, it ain't happy.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
Uh, but they'll probably have tomorrow off. Come in Monday.
Wash the tape.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Get ready because it's a fast turnaround on Yoe you can't.
You can't let this.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Lingerches that long.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
Not long.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
It's just something about.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Look, it's been damn thar forty years since I was
in college. Ojo something about. And I was never been
a big guy that went out after the game. But
I can assure you if we lost, yeah, we're gonna
see saw face on the gables. Oh hell now you
First of all, you barely saw me after win. Barely
I'm talking about maybe. I think I went to maybe
one party and four years of college, I ain't no, no, no,
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and we lose, Yeah, I'm looking at the guys following out. Man,
they hurry back oho the shop. Especially if we own,
they hear up and shower and go to the party.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
I'm like you, sorry, both folks. Y'all want people to.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
See y'all, Hey just lost. I tell you what, though,
this is how I look at it, and I'm gonna
be honest. You have to think my time during my
tenure in Cincinnati, we had what maybe one maybe two
winning seasons. Yeah when I was there, so I had
no choice. But after my fitsiness weekend and week out,
whether we're winning and losing, because I'm stepping outside, I'm
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stepping outside, and I can tell you I know where
I was at because I had friends of mine that
I met main Rico Los, all them boys down in
Cincinnati as a group of five. We've been friends in
two thousand and one. I have no other outside France
outside of those I met on the first day I
got lost in Cincinnati. First day. Still friends to this day. Dude.
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We go to anties after every game we play at
one o'clock. The game in at three. We had jail
Alexander's at six o'clock and then when when ten or
whatever it called, roll around. Oh, I'm going out. I'm
going out because I'm trying to enjoy myself, get some
of the sore on this out walk around, you know,
have a little fun, talk to some of the fans,
you know, the dudes out you know, out out the
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hood that be out off of short buying and wherever
they're from, you know, just just talk football. I like that.
I was more of a people person, you know during
that time, and loved to talk to the game, moves
ball whether we were losing the winning, and I would
always my faith whether we were losing and winning. I
mean I enjoyed it.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
I mean one of the worst times I had O Joe.
I was in Baltimore and we had made I had
already made reservations at Ruth Chris. I had brought everybody
in and we lost the game. If I didn't have
my mom and my sister and all them kids out
of canceling, hell no, I would get takeout.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
I would get take out. We lost the game, right, Hey, Sean,
we going by such as I.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Said, Nah, I'm going on home. I'm gone home. I'm hey,
I'm a I'm a sore loser. I'm a worst winner.
But I don't I didn't.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
I didn't.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
I don't, I don't. I don't want to be around nobody.
I know how I am. I'm moody, I'm meritable because
guess what, that's why y'all lost. Y'all out here party.
You need to be home in your playbook. You need
to be studying your plate. You know what I'm saying
to hear that?
Speaker 3 (27:42):
Right right?
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Let me take my black ass home, soak mote and
think about, man, what could I have done differently?
Speaker 3 (27:53):
Hey, and I was hanging with with us. I was
hanging with us. We'll have a game. We have a
game of Obviously we played one o'clock. I swear for God,
you would think I wasn't even a football player for one,
not just a football player, but a star football player
at that. Because if you catch me after a football game,
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before me and the fellas go eat dinner, you can
just catch me on short mind. You can catch me
down the way. I go see my little young bulls
that enjoy the game of football. I sit there with them,
talk about the game for a little bit, you know,
chit chat. We're on the corner. Un we're on the
corner in Cincinnati. Just chill you now, talking football for
about an hour or two. I sit there with.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Them, smoking cigar.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
After the game, boom, I go down to Jay Alexander's.
My routine was the exact same for a decade straight.
It never changed.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
Well if they're still in existence, but I would go.
I would call. I would get black Eye plead with
the name of the restaurant. I would get the grilled
chicken or the Country five State. I would get Colonel,
I would get rice. I would get Colonel corn, and
I would get black Eyed Peas. Get so get a
car domination of like lemon lemon tea limits raspberry tea,
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or something, and I'm gone home. That's it. I'm gone home.
I want I want to be I want to be
miserable by myself. I don't want to see nobody. I
want to talk about. I don't want nobody to tell
me you played a good game, because I played like dog.
I don't care if I had one hundred and fifty.
I played terrible. I didn't play good enough to win,
and I don't. I don't want.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Nobody to to try to pat me on the back.
You guys gonna get no, we not no.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
I don't know what's going to happen after I'm talking
about this game. So I knew. I know how I am.
I've always been like this. Uh we lost the game
in high school, may Sea. We got man, I'm going home,
Coach taking me home. If we win, your boy, hey,
you boy, I'm gonna walk the streets with y'all.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
Right, right right right? If we lose, Yeah, you.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
Take I feel nah nah because I know, because oh ya,
I've always been one of these guys that worked so
hard for it. I know what I put in, and
the more you put into some nothing, the more it
hurt when it doesn't work out in your favor.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
See, I like what you just said. You know what
you put in. I understand what I put in. I
understand the work I put in to make sure I
it is the team game, right, it's yeah game when
to come when it when it. When it comes time
to get paid, you get paid individually. Basically, you do
make sure I did my part.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Definitely do things.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
Don't know if the other ten don't do what they
supposed to do. Now I'm not I'm not finna punish myself.
I'm punishing myself. Why am I not going nowhere?
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Because y'all sorry.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
For the get here off. They'll get my j Alexander's
offer to talk to my homeboys, you know.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
And I'm gonna go out.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
I'm gonna go to Annie's and I'm enjoying myself now.
I don't dream no alcohol, but you know, I got
my fellas with me. I got my fellas with I'm
gonna make sure they have a good time.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Man.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
Uh oh, A transformer just hit Joe's house and so
he ain't got no hour.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
What Joe got buzzled? Look he need to move.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
Hey Joe, Hey, Joe over there on one hundred million
dollar property one hundred million dollar property two hundred two
and there seventy three thousand square feet. It ain't got
no power, would have goddamn generator, Joe, Joe with a generator.
I know you got to generate out there, Joe.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
Everybody should have one, Atlanta because I'm pop up storm,
gonna pop up and knock it out.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Mick your power?
Speaker 3 (31:27):
Wow, hold on, can Joe see us right now? Hey, Joe,
can you see us a face timing?
Speaker 2 (31:32):
You got no power?
Speaker 3 (31:34):
Now? He got a cell phone?
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Huh Internet?
Speaker 3 (31:38):
You don't got Come on now, you know you know
you need LTE or g G five what you call that?
What you call the provider? The Uh yeah five? G
Hey that yet I don't require nothing. Your phone should work,
Joe facetiming, Joe, if you can see this face tipening?
Speaker 2 (31:56):
Got internet? FaceTime you?
Speaker 3 (31:58):
Yes you can? Uh no, you can't. But the internet
in the house has nothing to do with your cell
phone working man. Look here, Okay, hey, he can FaceTime.
I can just hold the phone up. He can still
be part of the show.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
Coach Prime, who was recently diagnosed with bladder cancer and
needs frequently used of the restroom, no longer has to
travel far. He has a portable toilet next to Colorado's
bench to accommodate him following bladder reconstruction surgery, and it's
sponsored being bad time tied by his.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
By Hey, hey, that that depends why I know they're
playing well for that?
Speaker 2 (32:36):
Oh yeah, for sure, because a lot of people embarrassed that.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
I wish I would why you know how many zeros
probably come come behind that, right?
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Yeah, But but but I'm saying a lot of people
are back. Don't want people to know that they to
wear you know, adults undergarnment that yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
You got to understand who Prime is. You gotta, yeah,
Prime is he wants He's one that could wear any
and everything on it shoulders don't give a damn. But
none of y'all on the outside thing.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
People wear them, but they don't want to advertise it.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
But like you said, you know, you know what I'm saying, Hey, yet,
hold on, they make them for a reason. Yeah, anytime
they make something, somebody is purchasing it. So it's a
lot of you know, sometimes women after they have kids,
it takes a while for them for those muscles to
get back strong against Sometimes men they have ladder cancl
they have rosted.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
They have issues.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
It's hard and some you know, Hey, my grandmother, my
grandmother wouldn't wear them, she said, live. I want my dignity,
So my grandmother wouldn't. My grandmother wouldn't wear them, and
you know she obviously she passed. I think granny was
eighty eight. Made and made she was eighty eight, so
she passed in July.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
Yeah, listen, I'll tell you what depends. If you see this,
come on, let your boy come on.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Ain't that wrong with you? Hey? But sometimes I do
be thinking about getting me a goose. Man.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
I'd be tired of walking to the bathroom. Man, I
just need to get me a goose and go right
inside the bed.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
Give me, give me something where I can just roll
over to the right and roll over to the left.
I don't want to get up out of bed anyway,
because I keep I keep, I keep upstairs. But by
sixty degrees sixty degrees, it's freezing up there. So when
I got to get up in the middle of the night,
sometimes I don't want to do that. I could always
you some depends.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
Hey, I'm gonna date myself here, and if you if
you my age older and you're from the South, you
know what I'm talking about. Hey, I'm gonna get me
a night pot or slop jar. See, if you're from
the South and you my age older, you know exactly.
They call them peapots, they call them night pots, they
call them slop jars.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
Slop jar.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
You google it, Okay, that's what that. Any time I
say something, I see hey, hey, you.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
Know that what that mean?
Speaker 1 (34:49):
That's see immediately any time I say something, I can
see the fake. But uh yeah, but I'll be looked
to where it depends. That's the least of that's the
least of the issues I was. I'm glad they caught
this in time. I mean, think about it. Boy, Hey, God,
good God, great? And what he instilled a man to
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take his bladder and reconstruct it.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
And you the small man, please, I like that man.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
But if anybody look this man that jo with time,
his attitude about anything. He'll make anything positive. It could
be the worst situation. He's one of the few people
no matter how bad a situation is is he can
make it positive. He can make light of a situation,
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make it a and you a and it thinks that
you know A like when I did the interview, and
I know a lot of you guys have seen the interview.
When I went up there and I started getting on
everybody's toes, he would have it any other way because
he like, you know, if it was on the if
it was you, you know, I get you, like I absolutely,
I know absolute.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
I know Joe's gonna fly nine. That's that's something that's
gonna always happen. But we all, we all had that
type of relationship though.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
Yes, oh you okay, that's what a you. Okay, you
good man. You know I'm good. Oh, you should have
told me that. You should have said, Nah, should have
told her that I gotta get you, oh Joe. The
trade heard around the world last night, the Dallas Cowboys
did the unthinkable, trading the four time Pro Bowler, defensive
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Rookie of the year, two time first team All Pro
Michael Parson to the Green Bay Packers in exchange for
two first round picks and defensive.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
Tackle Kenny Clark. The Packers handing Michael.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
Parsons the largest the largest contract for a non quarterback
in NFL history. He got a hundred four years, one
hundred and eighty eight million, one hundred and twenty fully
guaranteed at signing. Yeah, and one hundred and thirty six
total guaranteed one hundred and eighty eight million total.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
Oh Joe, Yeah, talk to me, take hold on, take
your time too.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
Now you won't be started off.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
Hey, well I can start it off because I listen,
I'm not. You will probably get a little bit more
in depth than I will. But I would just do
this chat y'all. Stay with me real quick. This is
this is all ego. This is all ego and pride
on Jerry's on Jerry's hands.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
When he did the deal and he got in front
of the camera, he did something, as always that he
shouldn't have done. One of the first things he said
is this was a good trade. And two we need
to be able to stop the run. Now you're bringing
in Kenny Clark and again once again put the pressure
on Kenny Clark and your defense and the coaching staff
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to be able to stop the run. Because who you play,
we's going on who they plan to Philly? They going
to Philly, and what does Philly do extremely well outside
of throwing.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
The ball, run the football.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
Now you're gonna put your team in a blenda doing
the same thing you will always do on it's doing
all that talking before it's even time to play. And
you ain't been in nan meeting room. You even been
on Nan field. Oh, letting one of the greatest young
superstars of all time go, and you feel your team
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has gotten better? How does that mean?
Speaker 1 (38:19):
That's that's cliche talko Joe, Oh, we got better?
Speaker 2 (38:23):
Really?
Speaker 1 (38:23):
So if you felt that way, why were you trying
to sign him? If you thought you could get better
by trading Michael Parsons, why did you even offer him
two hundred million dollars? Now, all this time, the last
four or four years, they were getting run on. I
never heard Jerry say a word about running on.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Now.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
I don't know about y'all, but the thing is, you
want guys to go hunt the quarterback. Because the Kansas
City Chiefs stopped to run. What did what did the
Eagles do? They got after my home boy? Yeah, because
that's the guy that's the head of the snake, is
your quarterback. And if Al Davis Corner said, he said,
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he's coined the phrase, the quarterback must go down, and
he must go down hard, and it needs to happen
early in the game and often see Jered see again
if you watch the documentary America's Team, the Gambler and
the and the I think the Dallas Cowboys. It was
his ego, that's what calls him and jaredy go. So
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now he done, Well, we had a handshake deal.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
What he can do that man?
Speaker 1 (39:33):
First of all, you cannot if a player has representation,
the owner or the Northern general manager can negotiate a
deal with the player.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
You must talk to his agent.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
Jerry knows that Michael probably thought, I'm shaking hand on
your hey many Jerry said, well, you shook my hand.
We got a deal. It's been reported that Michael said, okay,
Jerry called my a yeah, then oh, we do the deal.
I've done plenty of these deals. Well you shouldn't have.
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The NFL should have punished you. The NFL PA. He
told on himself, Oh, I've done plenty of these.
Speaker 3 (40:13):
Well, we have to argue. You also have to understand
the leverage that Jerry Jones has. Huh, if you got
an owner like Jerry Jones that says some of the
things that he says out loud that the owners are
not even supposed to say. Maybe, but you never actually
regurgitated in front of a camera. Understand that the whole
world is listening and watching, so you know he don't
care nothing about that. Then we talk about the same
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owner that you told me about suit the NFL. Yeah,
he had the nerve and the goal and nikahnis to
suit the NFL and say I'm going to get everything
and if I'm not mistaken, basically one.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
He basically he did. He changed it.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
So what is the NFL? He ain't gonna do what
they gonna do. Nothing they gonna do because he doesn't care.
He's in a position of power right now to be
able to do what he wants because he just let
the world know I tried to handle contract negotiations without
Michael Parson's representation. All he's doing is telling you to
his eye, I mean to to to everybody's face.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
He says he's done plenty of these.
Speaker 3 (41:16):
Yeah, two middle fingers out, what y'all gonna do?
Speaker 2 (41:18):
Well?
Speaker 1 (41:18):
Why did you do that with Dak? Why did why
did you not circumment Todd Frands?
Speaker 3 (41:23):
Hey, Dag gonna play that?
Speaker 2 (41:24):
You know?
Speaker 3 (41:25):
How you know d you you know if you don't
know Dak personally, you know? And and Jerry don't see
I I and then he doesn't have that friendly, that friendly,
bandaged relationship with with Jerry Jones, Dak is one of
the few players that actually kept it strictly business.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
Because Michael, Michaeh Michael was like that too. Michael and
Jerry didn't have Michael Micah did not have the same
type of relationship that Jerry had with Michael Irving where
he had with some of the other players of that
come along.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
Michael's like, I'm gonna do I'm here to do business.
Speaker 1 (41:56):
I'm gonna do my job to the best of my
god given ability, but a if it is a business
and I want to keep it moving now me and
I'm just talking about me, guys. I think once you know,
Jerry started saying all this stuff. You know, we pay
him who to say that we're gonna have him. Remember
he missed all these games. He's still calling the man
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Michael Parsons and not Michaeh. Even even Steven had to
say Michaeh that, you know, basically Michaeh. I don't know
if it was on purpose or not, but I'm just saying, oh, Joe,
I think as Michael as Michah started to listen to
what this man was saying, like this man don't this
man don't respect me at all. This man don't respect
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nothing about me. Jerry thinks, I mean, you own the team,
but you don't own me. And that's how that's how
Jerry thinking. Jerry thinking, if I pay you, I should,
I should tell you. Coming in the old days that
had the muse, they say, g and har you take
it up at your stock mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (42:57):
That's how Jerry's mentality is.
Speaker 1 (43:01):
I'm just I'm not saying that he don't feel the
same well about the other players, but I'm just saying
his mentality is, if I pay.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
You, you do what I tell you to do.
Speaker 3 (43:11):
Bro.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
It ain't like that.
Speaker 1 (43:13):
And as and it is reported, I don't know. Jane
Slater said that Michael says, Okay, let's get a deal.
Jerry said, Nah, you're gonna play on the fifth of
your option, or you can leave.
Speaker 2 (43:24):
Will make it happen.
Speaker 3 (43:25):
Then you got the right one because I'm not playing.
Speaker 2 (43:27):
I'm not playing for twenty one or twenty four. I'm not.
Speaker 1 (43:31):
So whatever you gotta do, do what you gotta do.
So so what about all So I'm just trying to
all these years because the Cowboys weakness over the last
since Mike has been there or before he got there,
was the inability to stop the run. I remember Cleveland
Browns ran for three hundred yards Arizona, the Cardinals ran
for three hundred. The Baltimore Ravens ran for three hundred.
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Pick a team that didn't run. Jerry ain't mentioned nothing.
So if you just got better, because I remember when
Jerry was there and chat correct me from wrong all
the time, that he was telling you these teams remind
him of those super Bowl winning teams. He just traded
a player that was on the team that he said
had as much talent, if not more than no super
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Bowl winning team.
Speaker 2 (44:16):
He just traded him and said he got better.
Speaker 3 (44:21):
Listen, Kenny, Kenny Clark is good. Kenny Clark and good.
He ain't no, he ain't no slouch. He's thirty. But
we talk about Michael Parsons. We talk about Michael Parsons.
We talk about a generational talent.
Speaker 1 (44:34):
I'm going in the draft looking for Michael Parsons, a T. J. Watt,
a Miles Garrett. I'm trying to get Those are transfer
transformational players. Yes, those are the guys that you're trying
to get. I tell you what. Tell me the run
stopper that's in that's in the Hall of Fame. They
got a gold jacket. Even we were just talking about
(44:54):
Lennar Williams, he's talking about how Aaron Donald changed it.
Speaker 2 (44:58):
Where they won't.
Speaker 1 (44:59):
They won't guys the de tackle to go get double
digit sacks. Different because they throw the ball so much
emphasis on the passing game. I need a guy that
can attack the quarterback. That's what Michael Parsons does. First
of all, Jared, you're not. You're gonna have to because
here's the thing, oh Joe. The way they're constructed this team,
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the Dallas Cowboys, the office is supposed to get the lead.
The team is supposed to be ahead. The other team
can't run the football they throw Michael Parsons, go hunt
the quarterback. What happens when Dak turns it over or
they don't have this big lead. So now, because you
struct the constructed a team that you're lighting the bridges,
you can't hold up when they boom. Yeah, coming boom,
(45:45):
and they're coming boom right, like Marshawn.
Speaker 2 (45:49):
Said, over and over and over and over.
Speaker 3 (45:53):
You hit him in the face.
Speaker 2 (45:55):
That's what Jarry don't understand.
Speaker 1 (45:56):
So unless you're gonna unless you're gonna redesign your team, yeah,
let me know how you know how to work out
for you.
Speaker 3 (46:05):
But again I would say that the trade, the trade is,
it's not it's not even swapping in any way based
on skill and talent at the positions. Kenny Clark is
very good. Kenny Clark is very good, but.
Speaker 2 (46:19):
He had a down year, but he said he had
a foot injury last year.
Speaker 3 (46:22):
But Michael Parsons is a generational talent. I don't care
what people say they try to hate. I don't. I
don't care what it may be. I mean, if your eyes,
if you know the game of football, if you watch football,
you know, even for me as being a receiver, I
understand what he brings to the table regardless of what
team he goes to. He's a difference maker completely. He
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wrecks havoc. Oh yeah, And I can't believe Jerry did that.
I can't believe Jerry said some of the things he
said for it to even get to this point, because
if you paid him last year ahead of time and
and tried to copycat with some of the other owners,
are doing around the NFL to continue to build team
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winning teams. Then you wouldn't have this issue. You would
run into this problem. But your ego continues to get
in your way, and it's been getting your way to
pass thirty years.
Speaker 1 (47:12):
Every time he talks, oh Joe toepops out because he
got the whole foot in his mouth. Oh yeah, So
every time he talk, I see another toe, I said,
there it is, hey, But I will say this.
Speaker 2 (47:21):
Look it.
Speaker 1 (47:22):
Look when you when you get drafted somewhere, there's something
there's there's like a sense of loyalty that you know.
I want, you know what. I want to be a
one Jersey guy. I want to be one helmet. I
want to stay here for the rest of my career.
And I do believe Micah would have preferred to stay there.
Speaker 2 (47:36):
Me.
Speaker 1 (47:37):
Okay, the Packers gave him forty seven million, oh jo,
but to stay in Dallas, I took forty four. Yeah,
let me tell you why, because what can I do
with forty four that I got to have forty seven
because see if plus Now it's being reported that the
podcast caused some problems. See the podcast is on the value,
but when he's a cowboy ain't nobody would to ay.
(47:58):
They want to hear about the Cowboys, want to hear
about the Boys. They want to hear about Jerry, they
want to hear about Dak. I'm sorry, and this is
not a shot at no other team. But there's a reason,
there's a reason.
Speaker 3 (48:08):
Why it's different.
Speaker 2 (48:10):
It's different absolutely.
Speaker 3 (48:13):
Anything attached to that star. Right, if you're playing there,
you want to take advantage of that window when you
are there because it comes with so much, bro it
comes with so much.
Speaker 1 (48:26):
Troy Media, Uh, Romo Media, Dandy Don Meredith, Media media,
Michael Irvin media, what other what other franchise can boast that?
Now that the guy that called the color guy? Do
you know the color guys? Troy Two of the profmat
(48:48):
prominent spots occupied by Cowboys quarterback. Now I know loud
of y'all don't remember when Dandy Don Meredith was on
was on ABC with Howard Cosell.
Speaker 2 (48:59):
He was a cowboy. Michael Irvin, what a cowboy?
Speaker 1 (49:06):
Moose Johnson move cowboys, Hey swag cowboy. That's not an accident.
That's not an accident. And plus, if you look, Michael
Lervin ain't calling football. Michael ivern make millions. Mmy make millions.
It ain't none of them calling football around the football
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in two decades. Michael retired before me, and Emmy retired
a year after me.
Speaker 2 (49:36):
So and.
Speaker 1 (49:41):
Jimmy Jimmy, Jimmy just retired. Yeah, so think about that,
old Joe. That's not an accident. So the money that
you were gonna be able to make now, look it's
all mute. Now, it's a mute moot. It's a moot point.
Mute means you can't hear moot obsolete anyway, With that
being said, it doesn't matter now. But I'm just saying,
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if the opportunity would have presented itself, yes, say okay,
we got hey, we're not gonna give you forty seven
because this really reset the market. Forty four would have
reset the market. That's three million dollars more than what
my what what TJ. Watt got, So that's an extra
twelve million. They went six, they were twenty four. So
(50:23):
I don't I don't have a problem. It hurted o
Joe because anytime they a team trade you and say
we were good without you.
Speaker 2 (50:33):
Or the thought of.
Speaker 3 (50:34):
It, Yeah, that's that's that's and I don't like it.
I don't like this. What I that's what I hate.
I hate when when players get traded, players that we
know are really good players that play for our team,
and you know how good the player is, and when
they get traded, then as a fan.
Speaker 2 (50:51):
Fan start talking to oh, yeah, he wouldn't.
Speaker 3 (50:54):
He wasn't that good anyway. Yeah, come on, man.
Speaker 1 (50:57):
We never said that when he was there saying that.
Now again, that's your team. That's their team, O Joe,
and you look, it's team because guess what, somebody else
is gonna wear that number eleven one day. All they
see is the star on that helmet. Players come and go.
They're interchangeable. They've had great players with the Cowboys all
the way back when they came into existence in nineteen
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sixty when they drafted Bob Lilly and they got Redney White,
and they got all these guys. They got a lot
of a lot of Hall of famers. Yeah, and so
that's what they see.
Speaker 2 (51:28):
They see.
Speaker 1 (51:29):
It doesn't the name. Okay, Yeah, we love Emmy, we
love Troy, We love those guys. But guess what we
got new Cowboys Now we love them too.
Speaker 3 (51:36):
Well, here, you just let all of the future Hall
of Famer.
Speaker 1 (51:39):
Go and I know Michael wanted one of those blue
coats that you know, the ring of fan which you
saw Jimmy and you saw, you saw em, and and
all those guys wearing.
Speaker 2 (51:51):
Those blue coats. We have orange ones.
Speaker 1 (51:53):
You know, somebody, I think the Dolphins got that teal color,
if I'm not mistaken. The Patriots got the red got
red coats. Yeah, that's not gonna happen now because you know,
think about how long it took him to.
Speaker 2 (52:03):
Put Jimmy in.
Speaker 3 (52:05):
Yeah mm hm.
Speaker 2 (52:07):
Mike A.
Speaker 1 (52:07):
I mean, and they probably look he got enough money
and and and the difference was, ohoe, is that Michael's
twenty six. In three years, he can come back to
the table and get another big deal exactly Herein wanted
to do five years plus the plus the the fifty option, which.
Speaker 3 (52:22):
Your six, to make sure you won't be able to
come back and double dip.
Speaker 2 (52:29):
Yep, yep.
Speaker 1 (52:32):
But uh.
Speaker 2 (52:35):
Oh Joe.
Speaker 1 (52:36):
We had this conversation chat now it was Green Bay
man people. They need to stop making up stuff, oh cho.
And now we tried to tell y'all when these when
these stuff, this stuff keeps leaking out, it's coming from somewhere.
I know, y'all don't want to believe that your favorite
player or they could potentially trade your favorite player or
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release your favorite player. I know you don't want to
believe that. But where you think this stuff comes from?
Speaker 2 (53:02):
People?
Speaker 1 (53:02):
So if all the things someone could have said Michael
Pass to the Packers was what they went with. Of
all the things they could have said, of all the
teams thirty two teams, fifty three players per team, plus
somewhere between thirteen and sixteen practice squad guys, of every storyline,
they could have said, this is what they went with.
Speaker 3 (53:21):
Hey, where there's smoke, this fire, Where there's smoked this fire,
you know, And the first thing you want to say, well,
who's your source? Don't worry about the source. Whatever you're
hearing from somewhere. They know how to set out there.
I don't know how they get it out there, but
they get it out there.
Speaker 1 (53:40):
This is how they get it out there. Hey, man,
I'm gonna tell you something. Hey, it ain't you ain't
hear from me, Hey, put your spin on it, Okay, I'm.
Speaker 2 (53:51):
Just I'm just telling you how it is.
Speaker 3 (53:54):
Oh man, I love them.
Speaker 1 (53:56):
I'm not an insider. I'm not and I don't really
try to break no news. Could I could, but that
is't that. That ain't what I was when I was
on CBS. That's not what they paid me for. They
had Charlie Castley for that. When I was on Fox.
That's what they had Jay Glazer for. I'm with ESPN,
that's what they got Adam Chefter for. I ain't breaking nothing.
I'm gonna keep my relationship because I have to be
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very very careful because people got all over me when
I said what I was saying about when russ Man, Well,
how you know, I don't know he ain't in the
locker room, right, Okay, But I'm just saying so I
just said, at that point in time, I said, you
know what, Shannah, it ain't even worth it.
Speaker 2 (54:35):
It ain't it ain't it ain't even worth it to you.
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (54:40):
I'm just gonna speak, well, this is what you know
for me if I was in the locker room X,
Y and Z knowing.
Speaker 2 (54:49):
Knowing.
Speaker 1 (54:53):
But but oh Joe, you could tell. The more and more.
Speaker 3 (54:57):
Jerry talked, he made it the more.
Speaker 1 (55:00):
The more he was like Doug in hey.
Speaker 2 (55:05):
You know what he called Steven a. He wanted to
get it.
Speaker 1 (55:08):
He wanted to get his point out there with Steven
Ave and a a sitting.
Speaker 2 (55:11):
Down with Jerry.
Speaker 1 (55:12):
Jerry's like this first time we got him under contract
for three more years, nobody was you and I had
that discussion. I said, oh, Jo, he got the fifth
year option and he got two franchise tags, so theoretically
he could be a jerk about it and says, okay,
play on the fifth year option, franchise franchise.
Speaker 2 (55:29):
Okay, go ahead and go. But I done got seven
years of service at.
Speaker 3 (55:32):
You listen, and Michael was gonna be a jerk too.
You notice you notice they say he was cleared for
his back pains, right, so you know what he did.
Or y'all want to play games, so we're gonna play
the game. I'm gonna go get a second opinion. I'm
gonna make sure the second pinion I get, make sure
let y'all know that I can't play, right, he was
finna play the game, so jerry'llo, okay, you know what
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he ain't playing. He not fin the fold he game,
so it's better.
Speaker 2 (56:02):
Third opinion.
Speaker 1 (56:03):
Yeah yeah, So that'd opinion sounded too much like the
first opinion, So let me go get a third opinion.
Speaker 2 (56:10):
I need a descending I need a descending vote. You
know three.
Speaker 1 (56:13):
You know, look, the Cowboys said they're a better team.
I don't know how you trade your best defensive player.
I believe he uh uh, he's the best. He was
their best player on either side of the ball. I
don't know how you trade him and get better. We'll
see what they do with the draft compensation. You know,
(56:34):
you can look at uh Houston and say, when they
traded to Shawn.
Speaker 2 (56:38):
They got better. Yeah, CJ.
Speaker 1 (56:40):
Stroud, they got Nico Collins, they got Anderson, so you know,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (56:45):
You can say, oh, they got better. They got all They.
Speaker 1 (56:47):
Got some All pros over there. They got a franchise quarterback.
You got a hell of a defensive lineman. You got
a really young, great receiver.
Speaker 2 (56:57):
We did all right, O Choe.
Speaker 3 (56:59):
That's now that's getting better.
Speaker 1 (57:01):
That's getting better. But I want to I want to
see what they do with the draft picks. But I
don't know. If you can't attack a team's quarterback, that's
how they're built. You were built. They got undersized offensive linement,
except Masie Smith, but that's his job. So you put
so another word, you put all the well we didn't
stop the run.
Speaker 2 (57:21):
Well, look at look at my bro you singing?
Speaker 1 (57:24):
So you singing so now because you guys got ran on,
you put all that on Michael.
Speaker 3 (57:31):
Wait a minute, he said the problem is fixed now
though he said the problem is SA is fixed. We
got better, We got Kenny Carr. Therefore I feel we
can stop the run now. So now you don't put
the pressure on them boys. And them boys didn't even
play yet, and they got to play the Eagles week one.
So when things don't turn out how you said they are,
(57:52):
as far as you guys getting better and stop the run.
And you got Sae Kwon Barkley running for two hundred
and fifty yards on you. Now you got another problem.
Speaker 2 (58:01):
With Jayla Hurt.
Speaker 1 (58:02):
With Jayla Hurts ordered Uber eats back there talking about
what they got. I like the Mogo got paying. I
like the General Joe's Chicken. I like the hey y'all got,
y'all got egg rolls.
Speaker 3 (58:14):
Be back there smoking a cigar, chilling.
Speaker 1 (58:16):
Yeah, because Lane Johnson and my latter ain't to be
played with.
Speaker 3 (58:21):
And that ain't nothing by nothing by about how we've
gotten better, not realizing who you play Week one. Do
you remember the defensive? Do you understand the office of
the line? You' getting ready to play week one?
Speaker 2 (58:33):
Are you sure?
Speaker 3 (58:34):
Are you sure you've gotten better?
Speaker 2 (58:36):
Hey?
Speaker 1 (58:37):
And you got the commanders, So we're gonna find out.
You know, look a lot of times.
Speaker 2 (58:45):
Ont Jo.
Speaker 1 (58:46):
You know, hey, we all have it. We all have it.
We make up our minds or something. I don't care.
It might be the best thing for us. But sometimes
we'll cut our nose off the spitte, our face. I'm
gonna show you. I'm gonna show you. You think I can't,
You think I can't live without you, you think I
can't be without you, I'm gonna show you. Sometimes we
(59:09):
can't get out of our own way, Ojo. And then
when you realize the gravity of the mistake that you've made,
it's too late. It's too late. We've all been there, chat,
we've all been there. We've all a you know, I can.
They're plenty fishing to see. But as my grandmother told
my aunt, you might not catch him and Jerry Jared
(59:38):
Jones had plenty to say about the biggest reason for
not signing Michael Parson, because the Cowboys need to stop
the run. He also said we can win more without
Michaeh than when had we signed it. So if that's
the case, why were you trying to sign it? Why
was it such a big deal in this handshake deal?
Why were you trying to get him to sign this contract?
See Ojo, if he had never offered Michael a contract,
(59:59):
I could agree with everything that he's said. Yes, Jerry
also had a comeback for a reporter asking how players
can get a contract extension. Oh, you'll take a listen
to what Jerry had to say about that, right, Dak.
Speaker 4 (01:00:13):
Jerry, Michaeh had twelve plus sacks and each the last
four years very productive for other Cowboys players coming up
the line, they see how this negotiation with Michael win.
How would you answer the question? Well, gee, what do
I have to do to get an extension if Mike
Goah can't get one?
Speaker 2 (01:00:30):
Hash Dak.
Speaker 3 (01:00:33):
Highest paid man in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
But guess what, Ojo, Yes, sir, did you do this
deal with Dak? Or did you work with Todd? Friends with?
That's all I want to know.
Speaker 1 (01:00:43):
That's all I want to know, And then I'm gonna
go ask that Jerry Jones, did you work with Dak?
Did you have a handshake deal with Dak Prescott or
did you work with his representation?
Speaker 3 (01:00:53):
Representation? You know, Dak don't play that, Okay, you know
Dak gonna play that. Absolutely not.
Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
And the first of all, they couldn't agree on the years, yea.
And they they couldn't agree on the years, So that
that was that was an issue to start with.
Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
That was an issue to start with the time gave.
Speaker 1 (01:01:11):
Him four years, Jerry one five because the more years
you got, oh Joe, you could spread the money out there.
Speaker 2 (01:01:18):
You know, you can kick the can. Uh, Michael say,
y'all don't kick the can for three years.
Speaker 1 (01:01:22):
Then y'all have to come see me because guess what,
the numbers are gonna be so big and they're not
any more guaranteed money. It's the same thing with Miles Garrett.
Remember Miles Garret said, well, I don't know if I
can win here because he ain't have no more guaranteed
money on those final two years. So he's like, man,
I don't know, you know, I don't know if the
direction they said, well one hundred and forty million dollars
is going in the right direction.
Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
That's the direction I'm headed it. I get it to
the bank.
Speaker 3 (01:01:44):
He he Miles take over my shoulder. Miles understood the business.
He understood the bsiness aspect, not having any money guaranteed left. Okay,
I gotta I gotta shake it up now. I got
to shake it up. I gotta shake it up now.
Speaker 2 (01:01:57):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (01:01:57):
And he's the best player. He's gonna be. He's probably
gonna be. I don't know where they are right now.
They're listening to the top one hundred, but he's probably
gonna be a top He's gonna be a top ten,
might even be top five.
Speaker 2 (01:02:07):
So he had he had the leverage. You can't let
Miles Garrett go.
Speaker 1 (01:02:13):
Although there have been a lot of teams, you know,
I thought that if Detroit, Detroit had to get him,
Detroit would have had to mortgage everything.
Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
And I don't have a problem with that, right
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