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I thought we're gonna have a good game because it
started out good for UNC. They got the ball go
right down the field, I said, Okay, I said, coach
Coach Belichick might have got him a stinker.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
But come to find out, all he did. They just
pooped on the field.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
That's the only stink out there, because boy, they stunk
it up tonight. Uh forty eight the fourteen the horn
Frogs travel on the road, go down to Chapel Hill,
Wo Chapel Bill. They need to pray for it, cause
they're gonna go get real luck. They're gonna get go,
get ug before it get better.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Oh Yo LT. But forty eight to.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Fourteen, TCU really had their way with them over five
hundred yards of total offense.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
They did a great job.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
They threw the ball well, they ran the ball exceptionally
well in North Carolina.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Look, I don't understand.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
It's coach Belichick's first year there, but you see the
talent the discrepancy. Now, I'm not saying TCU is it's
is Ohio State. I'm not saying that. I'm not saying
the LSU is one of those programs, but they're have
more talent than the Tar Heels. LG watched this game,
but I know you had a vested interest in this game.
You're a great alum of TCU. What did you like
(07:09):
about what you saw from your ball club?
Speaker 6 (07:13):
Well, to your point, your point, uncle, we have a
veteran team, man. You know, we have guys that have
played a lot of football. And you know, when you
have a veteran team, guys that have you know, been
in some tough games, have weather to storm, you're supposed
to win a game like this versus a team you
know in UNC who has brought in a lot of transfers.
Speaker 5 (07:34):
It's a lot of turnover.
Speaker 6 (07:36):
They still don't know what they have yet, so I'm
just keeping it honest. We were supposed to win this game.
But what I like from my team, like, typically we
can throw the ball all over the yard, but lately
we have had a trouble. We will have a little
trouble running the football to close out games. And you
guys know, as an RB, we gotta be able to
(07:57):
run thet ball. So that's what I love the most
tonight is what we had to run the ball in
the second half. Man, we dominated, We controlled a lot
of scrimmers. We had like three or four running backs
in there running the football, and I think that bowls
well for us.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
In the Big twelve, you took the ball, the first
player to drive, the first player the open of the
drive in the second half, and you go seventy five yards.
The guy goes seventy five yards untouched. So it was
a harbager of things to come. Oh Joe, you watched
this ball game. There was a lot of fan fare.
Everybody's talking about coach Belichick. We know what he's accomplished
at the NFL level. They started going through all his accolades,
(08:33):
the six Super Bowl wins, the nine Super Bowl appearances,
the seventeen to eighteen division titles, and YadA, YadA, YadA.
But now he's coaching players. And I think to a
certain point, all coaches have patients, but I think you
have to show even more patients now.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Even though some of these guys are getting paid.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
It's not like an NFL roster where every single guy
is getting played paid. But watching this game, Oho, what
did you Is there anything? Is there anything you can
take from what you saw from North Carolina?
Speaker 3 (09:01):
I mean, the only thing I could take a positive
from North Carolina is the head coach, Bill Belichick. That's
the only positive thing I can take. You're playing the
TCU team. Obviously, you can see the discrepancy and the
level of talent at each position. And one thing that
Bill Belichick always harped on, he always harped on, is turnovers.
You can't turn the ball over, you can't make mistakes.
It's one thing. Do your job and everything everything else
(09:23):
will take care of yourself. Now, I'm not sure North
Carolina's schedule and I'm not sure the team they have
coming forward, But when it comes to a team that's
evenly matched. You know, from skill from from from skill
set to skill set, whether it be defensive, offensively, we
would get to see a better outcome from Billy from
from Bill and that coaching staff.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
Coaching can only do so much. Uh yeah, lt coaches
can only do so much.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Point you have to go out there and execute, and
it's a team game, but it's eleven individuals on the field,
and you got to win your job. You got to
win your individual battle, and then the outcome of team
comes into play. They would are They weren't out coach,
but they were outclassed because at the level of talent
that TCU had tonight.
Speaker 7 (10:05):
Obviously, I think they looked I think they looked Yeah,
I was gonna say, I think they looked a little better.
Speaker 5 (10:11):
When the backup quarterback came in, Max, they looked.
Speaker 6 (10:15):
A little bit better. He threw the ball a little
bit better. They had a little bit better rhythm to
their offense. And if you guys know, that's Brad Johnson,
so you know he has the pedigree in order to
play the position. So maybe they make that turn to
the to this young young man who is obviously has
played a lot of football. He's been a l s U,
Texas and them, so he's played a lot of food.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
I agree question and have a question, would they really
make a move already from the starting quarterback after after.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
Just one game or do they give him another chance?
Will they make it? But will Bill make a move
that fast.
Speaker 5 (10:51):
The way he looked? Yeah he did.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
He did look good.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
And the question is how close was the quarterback battle?
Because it said I mean they said he won the battle,
So how close was it?
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Whether the runaway or whether the last second decision?
Speaker 2 (11:04):
But I agree with you, lt, because this young man
is played at the top.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
He's a starting quarterback in the SEC.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
He was starting quarterback at LSU, he was a starting
quarterback at at Texas, A and M and for him,
I'm surprised that he didn't win the job outright. I
think we need to give up mister Lopez a little credit.
But he didn't look good tonight now less, Okay, it's
one game. One game is not gonna determine, but it's
not gonna You can't have a lot, oh ChIL, you
only got ten eleven games. I can't wait till five
(11:32):
games in to say, okay, I'm gonna pull the plug.
Now it's a lot. You get a you get a
lot quicker hooked in college than you do in the
NFL because you have seventeen weeks as opposed to like
eleven weeks.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
And but look, they don't they're not good.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
To make a loss star short guys they reach about
oh if they have a short leash, a long leash,
they're not good.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
LT you mentioned it.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
When you get to seventy trains, you got seventy new guys,
you got thirty freshmen.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Oh man, what what do we expect? What do we expect?
Speaker 6 (12:05):
This is the ACC you playing the AC. You see
our Miami look yes, yes or no?
Speaker 2 (12:13):
You got you got Clemson and you got Clemson in
that division and that and that excuse me, in that conference.
So North Carolina guitar heels is gonna have to be
on their best behavior. Now I'm not saying, look wake Forest.
We'll see what Wake far As has in NC State.
And there are a couple of other teams the Dukes,
but right now Carolina needs a lot. I mean I
was what I was most disappointed in was their defense
(12:36):
because that's where coach Belichick, that's where his son Steve Belichick.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
They cut their teeth.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
They're normally Hey, when you come home, I already knew
what my grandfather had was supposed to go. So when
he took it off and handed to me, Ojo, I
went and put it right on the hat, right because
I know where it was supposed to be. The card
heels are supposed to be able to hang the hat on.
What Ojoe defense? You got the greatest defensive mind and his.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
Son, hold on, hold on, lt Listen, you got it.
You got the greatest defensive mind right.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
When you with the Pagers. He was the greatest defensive mind.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
But he also had the tools out there on the
field to be able to exq everything everything he brought
to his mind.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
Yes, but now you're at the collegiate level, you might
have your horse had to run.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
Listen that they didn't stop.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
You got to have the talent there. You have to
have the talent. You got to. You can't. You just can't.
You can't have a beautiful mind with a ten cent finish.
Speaker 5 (13:35):
Right, they didn't stop?
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Mt you really, oh Joe. You guys remember we used
to be in the game and so a lot of defense.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Watch the run, watch the past. Yeah, but you can't
stop either one of them.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
So it don't matter what we do, are you right,
We're gonna do one or the other, but you can't
stop either one. That was that was the tar heels tonight.
They couldn't stop anything. Guy had one carre twenty eight yards,
eleven care the buck thirteen with a seventy five yard touchdown.
Seven carries for twenty eight yard, I mean thirty five
for two fifty eight. I'm like bro are y'all was
(14:07):
talking about the receiver. The receiver had what ten catches? Yes, sir, Yes, sir.
They didn't stop nothing nothing.
Speaker 5 (14:18):
So to your point, like.
Speaker 6 (14:19):
They got a hang, they had on something. That's that's
Bill Belichick's mo o. You know, to be able to
take something away, And tonight they didn't have the horses
to be able to take anything.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Yeah, and and and in horse racing, look a good
friend of mine, Bob baffortt he trained two triple Crome
winners American Fair Row is justified. But at the end
of the day, yeah, that has plays a role. But
he had the fail breads to run. So whether you're
Western Sol, d Wayne Lucas, McGahee, Bob Baffort, it does
not matter if you do not have horses to run.
(14:51):
You cannot win significant races in football. If look, and
I don't take anything away from and you read all
these great coaches, but you got to have players. At
the end of the day. It is the gyms and
the joels. It ain't no excellent nose. Because you can
have all the minds you want. It's the gyms and
the joels that's gonna determine how good those excellent nose
(15:14):
actually are.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
Every time, everybody not a not.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
A great start to coach Belichick's college career, college coaching career. Uh,
they lose at home forty eight to fourteen. And outside
of that opening drive that game, what really wasn't close
and they took a knee.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
They took a.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Knee on a goal to gold situation, or they could
have had a family a party style nugget a fifty
piece on them.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
They're gonna be alright, though, l T. Theyre gonna be alright.
They're gonna be alright.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
They I don't know if they're gonna be alright this year.
Speaker 5 (15:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
No, they're gonna have some they're gonna have some ups
and downs, but they're gonna compete.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
They're gonna compete.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
Bill is the type of coach that even if you're losing,
even even with loss his life tonight, even with lost likes,
that's the type of coach you still want to do
everything you can for to only not only appease him,
but to prove the doubt is wrong. All those that
are gonna be talking trash. You know what the media,
you know what the media gonna do. The O they
gonna they gonna RIPHM, the sreds. They was waiting for
(16:13):
an opportunity like this, waiting to see what the day
he looks like.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
And then you go out there and lose the player.
The players go, they gonna step up, They gonna step up.
They're not gonna fold.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
The NFL Top one hundred, the top ten NFL players
were unveiled tonight. At number ten was Patrick Curtained at
number nine, Patrick Curtained, the second excuse me, number nine,
Justin Jefferson number eight, Miles Garrett number seven, Derrick Henry
number six, Joe Burrow. I don't know if y'all notice
y'all keep talking about the SEC is dead. But the
(16:44):
top that's for the top ten players right there, that's
from that conference. Patrick Mahonmes was number five, Jamar Chase
another guy. I don't know if y'all notice, but six
of the top ten from the SEC, but that that
conference is dead. Number three is Josh Allen, Number two
Lamar Jackson and the number one player voted by his peers. Barkley,
(17:12):
any surprises. Are you surprised?
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (17:17):
L t o ho Are you surprised that Sauan beat
out Josh Allen and Lamar to be the number one
player in the NFL this season voting on by his peers.
Speaker 5 (17:28):
Lt.
Speaker 6 (17:31):
I'm a bit surprised, am I because because we're living
in the world where it's all about the quarterback and
we know that and rightfully so. I mean, Josh Allen
is a reigning MVP, okay, so you would think that,
you know, he would get the most votes from his peers,
and even beyond Josh Allen, Lamar, Josh with the type
(17:52):
of season he had last year, Man, he had one
of the top seasons from any quarterback in history, you
hear me, So you know, I'm very surprised. I mean,
Saquon obviously had a spectacular year and you know, got
close to the Russian record of a single season. But
he didn't get it, and so you know that Wolds
(18:12):
way that he didn't get it, but he did win
the Super Bowl. So I think players at the end
of the day are giving him credit for being you know,
going over two thousand yards and winning the Super Bowl
championship and being the catalyst for that that Eagles. That's right,
and I think that had a lot to do with it. Look,
(18:35):
I think he deserves it.
Speaker 5 (18:37):
Saquon has has really elevated the.
Speaker 6 (18:39):
Running back position, the value the value of the running
back position.
Speaker 5 (18:43):
So hands down, our solute Saquon man for being the
number one player, respect and.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
We've talked more about the running back position and twenty
four and leading the twenty five than we have at
any point in time in the last decade. Guys, because
of what we saw with Derrick Henry, what we saw
with sa Kwan Barkley, what we saw with the Josh Jacobs,
what we saw with Joe Mixon. There were a lot
of running backs like hold On, Jonathan Taylor, hold On,
(19:10):
they still got the.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Gibbs.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
So they're trying to say, look, there is still value
when used correctly. So y'all want to put them behind.
Y'all want to put them behind no quarterback, so so
offensive line. Look at all these guys that we mentioned.
Sa Kwan Barkley, look at his quarterback, look at his
offensive line. Derrick Henry look at his quarterback, Look at
(19:34):
his offensive line. Joe Mixon, look at his quarterback, look
at his offensive line. Gibbs look at his quarterback, look
at his offensive line. Josh Jacob look at his quarterback.
You see a real current theme here. But see y'all,
but when a quarterback don't succeed, boy, they Makeay's hues
in the world. Now, all of a sudden, the running
back nose to see. Oh man, he over the hill.
(19:55):
There ain't no value in him. Nah, you're you're right.
Ain't nobody running behind. I ain't got no line. And
if I set my defense and your quarterback can't beat me,
I am not going to let your running back beat me.
You saw what the Chiefs tried to do in the
Super Bowl. Guys, they say we are not letting Saquan
beat us. Josh jayla Hurst says, Okay, you know what
(20:15):
I don't drag no beer behold is Jingerrell.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
I got something for y'all. I got something for y'all.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Well, go ahead on Joe, Are you surprised to see
Saquan at the top? You got two backs in the
top ten.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
Top ten, Yeah, most definitely. I wasn't surprised at all.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Obviously, sa Quon is a Tier one back, and those
tier one backs are the reason why the value of
the running back position is now prevalent because the players
like se Quon obviously being in a perfect situation Eagles
officer line, and he's one of the reasons why they
were able to reach the Super Bowl, actually take them
over the hump and getting back to the Super Bowl.
Obviously we have to give credit to their defense as well,
(20:50):
but Josh Allen had a great season. Lamar Jackson had
a great season. But I think the number one spot
was given the Saquon not with just his play on
the field, but what he does also off the few
and the fact he was able to win a ring
was a cherry on top. So it was a no
brainer as far as your peers speaking of his number one, Yeah, so.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Sa Kwan Barkley voted by his peers as the number
one player in the NFL in the top one hundred,
Lamar Jackson was second. Lamar Jackson was second. Last year,
Josh Allen's number three. I think he was outside of
the top ten. Jamar Chase was way down. He's number four.
Patrick Mahomes was number four last year.
Speaker 5 (21:26):
He's number five.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
Joe, what do you mean way down?
Speaker 1 (21:29):
I think he was thirty five last year. Oh, Joe
Pase was Yeah, he was.
Speaker 5 (21:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Oh I thought you said way down there. No, no, no,
I was saying compared to where he was last year. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah yeah. Lamar was too last year. I think Josh
Allen was twelve. I think Jamar Chase was like thirty five.
Patrick Mahonmes was four. Joe Burrow was a little outside
of the top twenty. I think Deack Henry, Miles Garrett,
Miles Garrett was number five. Justin Jefferson had coming off
(21:56):
that sensational year, he got it.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
I think he got Nick.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
But Justin Jefferson being a top player, he's been misterconsistent
and you know, defensive player to your pass team. But
I think with mainly with Saquan and Derrick Henry, what
they were able to do. One guy went for two thousand,
the other guy went for nineteen twenty one. First time
a guy that's rushed for nineteen hundred yards, didn't win
the rushing title.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
So that just goes to show you how.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Well the other guy played, because normally, lt you get
nineteen hundred yards, you're like, yeah, I got that rushing,
I got that big of the bag.
Speaker 5 (22:27):
What absolutely, And let's keep this in mind, guys, the
easiest way to win games is still running a football.
Speaker 6 (22:34):
I mean, because you take away the chances of turning
it over and crazy things happening. When you can run
the football and impose your will, you know, cut down
on the game, You help your defense and all that
kind of stuff. So I think at the end of
the day, that's why we're starting to see just a
little shift. I'm not saying we're going completely back to
where you win no, no, no.
Speaker 5 (22:56):
No get back there.
Speaker 6 (22:59):
No, we ain't gonna ever get back there. But I
think there's more teams that's starting to focus on the run.
It the run game a little bit more to control games,
especially when you have a young quarterback or quarterback who
can manage things at the line of scrimmage, like all
the ones you mentioned, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, all those
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guys that have good running backs as well.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
It's not going back because you see where these quarterback
salaries are going.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
You're about to have a quarterback making seventy million.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
You're not paying the guy seventy million dollars to turn
around and hand it to a guy that's making ten million.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
That ain't happening. We pay pay.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
We're paying you seventy million to throw it to a
guy that's making forty. So that's why you're never going
to see And plus why would you because guess what.
I can get a rough in the passing. I can
get an illegal contact, I can get unnecessary rougherens. I
got so many things that can go right if I
just throw the football.
Speaker 6 (23:53):
You see d But you're still putting that seventy million
dollars quarterback in jeopardy.
Speaker 5 (23:57):
If you got a defense that's hit, yeah, for.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Seventy million dollars, I'm in jeopardy. You see with Josh Allen.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
You see what Josh Allen just got this off season
LT three hundred and a quarter of a Billy guarantee.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
But you know you got to think about too. You
got to remember this NFL to LT, this is this
is the passing league. And yes, in the backs that
can take that time off the clock that can get
the defensive rest on the sideline. It's only a handful
of them.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
It's only a handful of them bullers, like they can
really carry that whole offense on their back where you
don't even have to throw the ball.
Speaker 4 (24:31):
When it comes to crunch time and you want to
buy some time and take some time off the clock.
It's only a few line.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Oh yeah, there's only there's only a handful of guys.
I remember when Peyton Manning came to the Broncos. I
mean he was he got like ninety six million for
five years. I mean just think about that.
Speaker 5 (24:46):
Just just wow.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
And what for the longest time, twenty five million was
pretty good money for was great money for a quarterback.
And then it went to thirty and then they're like, noah,
thirty ain't nothing. Now you had sixty million dollars. Sixty
million dollars and guess what LT we know this, Oh Joe,
they're gonna add another game. It's gonna be eighteen games.
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I give it five years. They're gonna add another playoff
game too. That's coming. Because YouTube YouTube won't end on
this this action. They want to become a network in
the only way to come a network, you gotta have
live sporting events, mainly the NFL. Guess who else you
want to go on to get in on that? A Netflix? Amazon?
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Amazon said, you know, look, we love that Thursday night package.
We really do, guys. We don't want you to think
we greedy, but we are. We like Black Friday Football,
that Friday game after Thanksgiving. But I mean, we could
really use a package. And you're talking about somebody that's
sitting on hordes of cash. Somebody's sitting on thirty forty
fifty one hundred billion in cash, and the one thing
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a money talk Cash screams Yes, so we're gonna see
what's happening. But it's coming, it's coming. What was it
he said, coach?
Speaker 1 (26:11):
What did you come? Said about twenty twenty five? He close?
Speaker 2 (26:15):
They wanted to be they wanted to be a twenty
billion dollar industry. They're close twenty thirty. Absolutely, they're gonna
be twenty five thirty billion dollars.
Speaker 4 (26:23):
A year easy.
Speaker 6 (26:24):
So so so let's let's uh, let's sit with that
one for a minute because I got a question. Okay,
So that means that the season is gonna have to
be prolonged a little bit because the players gonna want
another part two by weeks.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
We used to have two by weeks of lt before
you got the league. Back in the mid nineties, you
had two by weeks.
Speaker 4 (26:42):
Yeah, we had too. Yeah in the nineties.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Wow, yeah, you know you had two by you got
you got to have it. But oh, Joe lt Man,
they're gonna be playing the super Bowl and got they
gonna Sat Patrick's Day, right right, that's one. I'm cause
you started out the Labor Day. If you got two
five weeks, think about it. You already at the second week,
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You already the second week, and what's coming. So now
if you add another a playoff game, yeah, you gonna
be damned near Saint Patty's Day. You damn sure. After
President's Day in February, you're gonna beat the third Hey,
you're gonna be the third week, fourth week. Well, there's
only four weeks in February anyway, but you might be
playing on leap year. And but that's what that's what
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the money is, because what else can you do. The
only thing you can do is give them another game.
There ain't nothing else you can do in the game.
Within the game, you can only give them an additional
game to create additional revenue avenue. Yeah, and these owners,
the one thing we know about them, they can know.
You can never That's one thing you've never heard somebody say.
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People have said, I got too many pairs of shoes,
I got too many, too many, too much jewelry, I
got too many cars, I got too many homes.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
Name the person that's ever said, man, I got too
much money.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
Yeah, you're right, But listen, so even you got to
you gotta remember too, if they are adding the game,
even no matter how long it is, if the season
goes in there in the second third week of February,
the players understand they getting the bigger a bigger piece
of the pie too. They're getting the bigger piece of
the pie. And now I don't know, we don't know
what it's gonna look like yet.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
All I want that pie. Oho.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
I don't want any don't don't franchise me, no franchise tax.
I want lifetime if I if I get ten years
in the League of LT, Oho, I want lifetime health benefits.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
That's that that should be a bare minimum on you. LT.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
That should be a bare minimum because let's just say,
for the sake of argument, you get health insurance for
five years after you retire. The average career is about
two and a half to three years. Okay, you retired
twenty five, Bro, you ain't gonna have no illness. Nothing
really made you some at thirty you need that issue
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sixty five.
Speaker 5 (28:56):
Down the road.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
Yes, I mean you can. You can put you know,
you can pro longer. You can take the five years
any time you want to. But but at thirty, from
twenty five to thirty, nah nah nah nah, I will
if I get ten years, I wont lifetime health benefits,
I won't. And guess what, I don't want you to
be able to franchise me. Yeah no, and all this
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well they got to pick one or the other.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
You know how this both of us?
Speaker 5 (29:20):
Oh, show you know how this works.
Speaker 6 (29:22):
You gotta come to the table and the owners are
gonna tell you you're gonna get one thing, which one
of which one do you want?
Speaker 5 (29:29):
Do you want lifetime benefits? Well then that's what we're
gonna We're gonna work out a deal to make.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
But I say you get one, and then the.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Players gonna happen, say I tell you what you get one?
You want an extra regular season game or an extra
playoff game, you get one.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
Hey tell you, Hey, listen, the players got one person
on ALT that'll fight for him.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
One person you put me in, you put me in.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
Position of power to represent the players. I'm gonna get
his lifetime benefits no franchise had. And what's the other
one guaranteed contracts?
Speaker 4 (30:02):
That's my three Hey, I'm telling LT. I'm telling you.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
Once I put that suit on, once I put that
suit in, that tie on, and you put me in
the right room and I flipped that switch, where's a rap?
Speaker 2 (30:17):
But uh, they the players have got to get something.
But they bargained for petty privileges way back when in LT.
Because see you're bargaining talking about well I don't want
to do two a day's Well I don't want to
put the pads on.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
But so many times during the course of the year.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
Bro, you play the game of football, you play tackle football,
but you don't want to tackle. Yeah, yeah, so you
bargain for pretty privileges. Go look at what what Roger
Godell bargained for. M look at what they bargain for different. Now,
if Roger Dedell ain't taking no hits, he got lifetime
medical He get used to the jet.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
You see what he bored.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
You see the difference between bargaining what I'm bargaining for
and what you're bargaining for.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
He want benefits they think of long term too.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Even though he's making thirty forty million dollars a year.
He wants someone else to pay for those lifetime benefits.
Speaker 5 (31:05):
But why you think, I mean, think about it.
Speaker 6 (31:08):
Why as players, the current players, why aren't they thinking
about lifetime benefits?
Speaker 5 (31:14):
Why that area of focus.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
I'm I'm not gonna get a debilitating illness. I'm not
gonna get anything that's gonna disrupt what I've already got.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
I remember, and I'm not gonna call anybody's name.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Because I was in the league when free agency actually
have with LT and there are a lot of guys, Man,
you give me a million dollars, damn them benefits.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
I buy my own health insurance. Now, I ain't telling
you what somebody told you.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
I'm telling you what I know because I was in
the league when the Reggie White and the self Joinings,
when they filed that petition and it came and we
got free agency. And that's what a lot of guys
say you give me a million dollars, you give me
two million dollars, I buy my own health care.
Speaker 5 (31:52):
And that's my point.
Speaker 6 (31:53):
That's my point because most players feel like that. We
investment absolutely, we never think about what's gonna happen. You know,
after we retired to fifteen years, after we were tired,
we never think about that.
Speaker 5 (32:05):
We are warriors. We only think about.
Speaker 6 (32:08):
What's happening now and getting as much money as possible
for us to live off UK.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
And see what happens.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
You get a situation where you get a divorce, or
you have a couple of kids outside and next thing,
you know, five ten thousand and fifteen thousand a month,
the white take half. She takes half your pension. So
now you're half the person that you're went into the
relationship with now long term. Because if somebody would have
told me when I was twenty five, thirty thirty five
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forty that I was gonna have both of my hisps replaced,
I wouldn't have believed it. So now you talk about
one hundred and twenty five thousand dollars surgery per okay,
you get, I mean some of these cancer drugs you're
talking about thirty forty thousand dollars a month.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
What whoa a month a month? A month a month? Yes,
So like l T to your point, l T. We
don't think, we think we're invincible.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
And things that that that happened to normal citizens that
didn't play in the NFL, that ain't gonna.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Happen to us.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
We're not gonna become a burden. We're not gonna have Alzheimer's,
we're not gonna have dementia. We're not gonna suffer Louke Garryt's.
We're not gonna suffer things that is a stress when
you have to have twenty four hour care but out
of ay, but out of eat how to eat up
a savings.
Speaker 5 (33:31):
And so they don't.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
You don't, you don't think about things like that. But
I wish the players would think give it more more consideration.
When they think long term, say, let you know what, okay, yeah,
but a lot of and plus guys other sports, they
think about the guys that's coming after them. You see
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Kurt Flood, he never benefited for free agency cost him
his career, but everybody else that did. You see, nobody
is willing to risk anything that might cost them. And
the thing is o Joe, and I told I told
Ojo this. Sometimes you got to plant a tree realizing
that you're not gonna benefit from the shade it produces.
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Sometimes you gotta fight for something that you're not gonna
be the benefits of what you're actually fighting for. Think
about all the people in the sixties that fought for
civil rights, never got a chance, that never got a
chance to sit at a to go to a SegReg
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non segregated place, that never got an opportunity to do
anything but sit in the back, that never got an
opportunity to see a black president, that never got an
opportunity to some of the things that we get afforded.
Sometimes you have to be willing to sacrifice some things
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for the betterment of everything. And I don't think enough
people think of it like that.
Speaker 5 (35:02):
H Well said.
Speaker 6 (35:05):
Well said, my grandfather worked in the cotton so that
so I could be living in this house right now.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
Hey, you know, we didn't pick my my uncles and aunt,
my uncles, my mom, my uncle's older uncles because they
were born they were born in the forties, so they
you know, they picked cotton. My grandmother, my mom is
the oldest girl, so my grandmother was still having kids.
The oldest girl what she had to do, take care
of the boat, take care of the other kids until
they got big enough to get their ass in the
cotton field. My grandma pregnant and still picking cotton. My
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grandfather was dipping, dipping tar. Unless you're from the South,
you probably don't know what that is, but he was
dipping tar. So it was it was a It was
a different ashe told me. A lot of y'all in
the chat ask me why I get off camera, and uh,
and my nose. It's really hard for me to blow
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my nose because they got a plate in my eye,
and I have to be very very careful because I
end up blowing the plate out. My nose will start
bleeding if I blow my nose too hard. So instead
of just blowing it, I just wipe it. And I
don't want to be on camera wiping my nose in
front for the world to see, so that's why I
just remove myself to the side. So I do have
a plate that's had to be replaced a couple of
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times because I had a fractional orbital.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
But that's why I'm doing that, guys.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
Rather than rewarding running back for production once their rickey
contract expire. Has happened at almost every position. The NFL's
nineteen ninety one MVP My Dog Thrman Thomas is upset
that teams are instead letting them go and moving on
to the next, younger, cheaper player. You still deserve a contract.
The first team has to put you through hell. Yet
I'm still ready to go. Haven't had any injuries, and
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now give me my damn money. To Thurham totally associated
press with such a turnover. It's the reason why only
three running backs Barkley, McCaffrey, and Henry are averaging fifteen
million per this season as compared to twenty six wide receivers.
It's not even the receiver money. It's like we're hanging
hanging with the punters and the kickers.
Speaker 5 (37:05):
You're right.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
They're looking at it like, oh yo, the best year
is on the tier of cars when it's brand new. Yeah,
you drive that car all over the city. You put
fifty thousand miles on the car. The cards ain't the same.
That's how they look at running backs. That's how they
look at y'all.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
Like LT.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
Hold on, LT, we gave you the ball two hundred
and seventy times and you caught one hundred passes, LT,
and you did that one.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
Oh yeah, that's how they think.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
But but listen, but the Therman Thomas point, that's how
they think with the tier two and below running backs.
The tier ones are the ones that are still making
the big money, not as much as the receivers, nowhere
near the quarterbacks, but the tier ones that could change
your whole offense. Your tier one, to LT's point, that
can kill that time and let your de his rest
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for a little bit, especially in garbage time when it's
time to end a game. It's only a few, It's
only a handful of those. That's why it's only a.
Speaker 4 (38:07):
Handful of make twelve, thirteen, fourteen, what damn near.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
Twenty twenty guys? To Thurman's point, where does sa Kwan
Barkley have to do to go get that money? Whether
it with the Giants or whether it with someone else?
Where did Derrick Henry? Where did Derrick Henry have to
go o ho to get that money? Was it with
the Titans or was it with the Ravens? And remember
last year he played on eight million dollar deal. He
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had two years for sixteen million.
Speaker 4 (38:34):
Over they came back. They came back twenty Yes.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
So really, the only guy that's ever gotten money at
the running back position, you got to go back to Zeke.
And Zeke was probably the one that really hurt because
he was never the same after he got that money,
and everybody looked, and everybody looked at Zeke and they said,
hold on, look at that offensive line he got. He
got two for show Hall of famers, a potential Hall
of Famer that retired. The center retired because he's like,
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I don't want to do it anymore. And Zeke just
stepped up a cliff.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
Yards per game, went down, yards per carry, get.
Speaker 3 (39:04):
Down, don't don't remember he heard his knee too, heard
his knee real bad.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
He didn't hurt his kne every year old jam.
Speaker 5 (39:12):
Yeah but see but see this is this is how
you solved that. For one, the running backs that are
game changing, the guys.
Speaker 6 (39:22):
That can hit a home run from any spot on
the field, that can catch the ball and do everything,
they're gonna be the ones that have to change the game.
And when I say change the game, guys, I meaning
signs shorter deal. Strike when the iron is hot. Running
backs two or three year deals, you.
Speaker 5 (39:41):
Know if because think about it, most running backs they.
Speaker 8 (39:45):
Can perform and and and perform at a high level
early in their career, like, it doesn't take long for
them to you know, kind of get become a staple
on the offense and get going and become one of
the top at their positions.
Speaker 5 (39:58):
It don't take long. So why why can't you come back.
Speaker 6 (40:00):
To the table after two and three years and then
sign a shorter deal, a two year deal?
Speaker 7 (40:06):
Two year let's say, two year, fifty million. Oh you
ain't going to hear that, O Joe's cure. But let
me take let me let me tell you why they're
not gonna do it, O Joe. I mean, Ltam, because
in order for me to give you a big signing bonus,
I need to pro rate it over the life of
the contract. So even if I if you want a
two year deal, let's just say, lt you want a
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two year deal for forty million dollars and I want
to give you I want to give you.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
I say, I give you twenty million dollars to sign. Well,
I only get to pro rate that over two years.
So now that's ten. So let's just say, for the
sake of argument, I give you two million. So I
give you two million. That's twelve million. And guess what now,
that's twenty eight million. That's thirty Your next that next
year is thirty eight million. Cap here. They're not gonna
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let that happen. So and plus, when you're running back
and you are your first round draft pick.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
Got you for three years. I got you for I
got you for five.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
Now if I'm nice, if I'm nice and you on
time and you hadn't been injured, I'll do the deal
after three. But if not, I know, I got a
fourth year, a fifthier option, and two franchise tags.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
So I got you for seven years and I ain't
got to do nothing.
Speaker 4 (41:18):
That's nasty work.
Speaker 6 (41:20):
Listen.
Speaker 4 (41:20):
That's that.
Speaker 3 (41:21):
That's that Jerry Jones work you talking about right now.
The next the next running back that's gonna hit, that's
gonna hit big, and there won't be any question about it.
There won't be h We don't really value the running
back position.
Speaker 4 (41:32):
Because we know what you can get.
Speaker 3 (41:33):
One of the few players, one of a few running
backs in the NFL that can hit their head off
the goal post from anywhere.
Speaker 5 (41:38):
On the field.
Speaker 4 (41:38):
That's brother, that's brother, Jamior Gibbs down in Detroit. Oh,
he I'm talking about he going, he going north of
seventeen eighteen.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
Oh, absolutely, Robinson gonna get paid too, Yeah, okay, yeah.
Speaker 6 (41:52):
They gotta go above twenty those guys like in order
to reset the market for future guys in their position
that everybody ain't gonna get that. We know that everybody's
not gonna get that, but the special ones they gotta
get that, you kidd, I'm.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
Surprised that they did this for Sakuon because think about it, guys,
he got a fifty million dollar quarterback.
Speaker 1 (42:14):
You got a fifty million dollar quarterback.
Speaker 2 (42:16):
You got a twenty dollars receiver, you got a thirty
million dollar a thirty million dollar receiver, a twenty eight
million dollar receiver.
Speaker 1 (42:23):
Yeah, and you.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
Got a twenty million dollar running back. And you got
look at Lane Johnson what he made. Look at what
my allotta mate, look at what Dickerson made. They paying
they did, They just redid a bron You know, you've
got to see that. That man child in the middle,
Jalen Carter, you got to see him. You got two
guys on the edge that in another year you're gonna
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have to see.
Speaker 1 (42:47):
One of them.
Speaker 4 (42:49):
Listen, Jayden Carterffin and reset the whole market. Yeah, at
every at every position.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
Well, I don't know if he's I don't think you're
gonna catch Michael.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
But the number of d J Chris Jones, Stone Coach
Jones for the Campas City, the Chiefs, he's at thirty
one and a half for DT, so he's way over
everybody else.
Speaker 1 (43:09):
At the DT position.
Speaker 5 (43:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (43:10):
Most definitely you're talking.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
About the guy that's twenty four, twenty five, but he
don't realize how good he can be.
Speaker 1 (43:15):
He still don't know how good he can be.
Speaker 3 (43:17):
Yeah, you know, you know why he's not gonna not
gonna catch Michael, or he might not. He's gonna he's
gonna overlap. He's gonna leave overleap Chris Jones. Yes, because
Howie and Jeffrey always pay early.
Speaker 4 (43:29):
They're not gonna win. They're not gonna wait. They're gonna
pay early.
Speaker 5 (43:32):
You're not gonna turn it down.
Speaker 2 (43:34):
And plugs O Joe the sacks DT though, like I said, uh,
the thing is what spoiled us who is Aaron Donald?
Because d Tackle's not supposed to get twenty sacks sl T.
They're not supposed to be getting fifteen sacks, you start
to run get us about seven eight sacks we.
Speaker 4 (43:51):
Had were be distructive.
Speaker 1 (43:53):
Yeah yeah, uh but I agree, uh but really the
only guy, but you got too.
Speaker 2 (43:59):
For the longest, nobody even approached Christa McCaffrey's that fifteen
and of Zeke's fifteen for years. It wasn't until Christian
McCaffrey got a new deal from the forty nine ers
that that leap frogged. And then because remember the Giants
didn't want to do anything with Saquon, they made him
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play on the franchise tag, and then they ended up
letting him go, and when he let him go, he
still didn't get past the fifteen. It wasn't until two
thousand yards. It wasn't until Offensive Player of the Year
that he got. He broke the twenty million dollar barrier.
Think about it, Derrick Henry, he was on an eight
to ten million dollar a year contract. So he goes
for nineteen twenty one and sixteen seventeen touchdowns before they
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finally put him at the fifteen. So somebody going to
aid in order to break them to leap frog Saquan boy,
you a you're gonna have to have an LT season
thirty two touchdowns, offensive player to year mv LT. If
you want somebody to get to twenty five millions, they're
gonna have to beat the seasons. Because LT had damn
nineteen hundred yards thirty plus touchdowns. He called another fifty
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passes for another five hundred yards. Unless you're gonna have
a season.
Speaker 1 (45:11):
Like LT had.
Speaker 4 (45:12):
Yeah, that was that old five season. Right when y'all
came and played us.
Speaker 5 (45:18):
It was old seal. Yeah, that O six playd y'all.
Y'all jumped up on like, hey, game, godlieve that thing
was rocking.
Speaker 4 (45:29):
I don't know what happened. We lost, man, but.
Speaker 2 (45:32):
Y'all you go ahead, walk them down there, lay hey,
hey over there.
Speaker 6 (45:39):
Then hey, we don't sound like classing at them, like okay,
this first war, y'all.
Speaker 1 (45:50):
LT.
Speaker 2 (45:50):
When you look around the league today and there's a
lot of running back, what running back reminds you of yourself?
Speaker 6 (45:57):
Man, that's a good one. I mean, you know, I
see traces of myself in different running backs, you know,
Like I think when I think about the jump cut,
you know, the balance and spending stuff. Sat Kwan Yanna
has that that low citing Gramney gravity being able to bounce.
Speaker 5 (46:14):
From hole to whole and then hit the whole explosiveness.
Speaker 6 (46:18):
But when I think about like coming out the backfield,
you know, I came out the backfield a.
Speaker 5 (46:23):
Lot Gibby, man, Gibby coming out that back.
Speaker 6 (46:26):
Because because here here's the thing that people misunderstand. When
you coming out the backfield, you gotta come out fast.
You can't come out looking. You gotta come out running.
Speaker 5 (46:36):
Man, you know.
Speaker 6 (46:37):
And so because there's matchups, it's either gonna be a
safety or right back on you most of the time.
So come out running, scare the daylights out of and
then cut off of them, you know what I mean.
That's what Gibby does do so well.
Speaker 5 (46:50):
So I think those two, I mean, there's a little
bit Christian McCaffrey some things that he does as well. Man. Yeah,
those are the gods.
Speaker 3 (46:59):
I don't think people understand how difficult the running back
position is when it comes to those tier and running
backs LT like like you jamiir Give, sa Quan Derrick
Henry is a little bit different.
Speaker 1 (47:09):
Needs not like you guys from No No, No, here
is the old school.
Speaker 3 (47:14):
Yeah, yeah, but you are Jami Give for example, and
you two L T being able to get the ball
and be at be fast, being able to come come
to balance and be able to re accelerate right right,
right then and there, and be able to set set
linebackers up, set set safeties up to still make.
Speaker 4 (47:32):
A move and not move and not lose any not momentum.
But what's the word, No wasting movement.
Speaker 3 (47:38):
That's what I'm looking for, No waste of moving everything
everything in one in one, in one transaction, in one transition.
Speaker 4 (47:43):
Everybody can't do that, man.
Speaker 1 (47:45):
I told the man stop. Let the l t run
that damn Texas right on, y'all.
Speaker 2 (47:48):
Knock his hands down across y'all, damn faith anywhere out
he gonna run the flat. He gonna come up and
make you think he's gonna run a Texas across your face,
or he's gonna break it out whole ass on you made.
Speaker 6 (48:04):
I got to a point though, you know where they
allowed me to step up that scene. If you, if you,
if you you know what I'm saying, If you stay,
if you stayed inside, I just standing that scene. I
did differ like that up up in my high one
went by seven nil.
Speaker 1 (48:19):
You caught up, So we played, y'all.
Speaker 2 (48:20):
I think that was my I think that might have
been my first year back, my first year back in
Denver where you hit it for like two hundred and
had ten catches.
Speaker 1 (48:30):
What damn.
Speaker 3 (48:34):
Where he come from?
Speaker 5 (48:39):
Man?
Speaker 1 (48:39):
It's uh.
Speaker 2 (48:42):
Like the running back position now, l T. You see
a lot of guys that because a lot of teams
run a two back system.
Speaker 1 (48:49):
That's not what you had.
Speaker 2 (48:50):
You had you an old school tight end full back
in front of you, low Neil leading, Yeah, leading the
way that that's that's that's what in today's game, it's
more of a two back system. How different is LT's
career if he had to split? If he had to
split reps?
Speaker 5 (49:12):
What you mean? If I had to I wouldn't do
I wouldn't do it. Like no, I was. I was selfish.
I ain't coming out the game dogs, you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (49:21):
And that was part of the reason why, Like I
prided myself on being able to do every scene so
you didn't have to say, Oh, he can't he can't block,
or he can't run this route, or he can't catch.
I prided myself on that, and I wanted to take
every rep. I was just that competitive because I believe
if I was on the sideline, something was gonna happen
(49:43):
that that, you know, like I couldn't control, so I
couldn't do it today.
Speaker 2 (49:48):
Man.
Speaker 5 (49:48):
And here's the other thing.
Speaker 6 (49:50):
Like when you're the bell cow guy, you're thinking the
long call. Huh oh Joe, you're thinking, Okay, in the
fourth quarter is when I really got.
Speaker 5 (50:00):
To get going.
Speaker 6 (50:00):
Let me you know, let me get my yards. I'm
gonna step out of bounce here and there. You know
what I'm saying, I'm gonna save myself. But in the
fourth quarter, when the boys a little bit time would
give him the stiff on, you know what I'm saying,
I'm gonna run through a.
Speaker 5 (50:12):
Couple of tackles.
Speaker 6 (50:13):
That's when because that was something that Marty Schottenheimer instilled
in me.
Speaker 5 (50:18):
And pose your wheel throughout the game.
Speaker 6 (50:20):
I mean I hear it playing in my mind like yesterday.
That was something he always said and we live by.
Speaker 1 (50:28):
Yeah, y'all.
Speaker 2 (50:28):
I mean, maybe you look, you went to the perfect
situation because Marty gonna run the football.
Speaker 1 (50:34):
Mrighty gonna run it. Marty gonna put that ball in
your in your bellyal tea, that's what That's what Marty
gonna do.
Speaker 5 (50:40):
Hey. But here's the thing though, y'all. So in college,
think about it.
Speaker 6 (50:44):
I was a perimeter runner, like you know, I was
a sweep guy. You know, get on the dimeter, do
my thing.
Speaker 5 (50:51):
Man.
Speaker 6 (50:52):
When I first got to San Diego and Marty came in,
he started talking about running power and going down to
a gap.
Speaker 5 (50:58):
Hey. I used to bounce that to get mad. Used
to getting Hey, gap, trust it. I'm like, coach, ain't nothing.
I ain't got to bounce it, you know what I'm saying.
But I had to learn that.
Speaker 6 (51:12):
I had to learn how to be an inside runner.
I didn't want to embrace it at first, but I'm
glad I did.
Speaker 5 (51:18):
Man, it did make me a better y'all.
Speaker 1 (51:21):
Running that power, y'all, pulling guard tackle and damn.
Speaker 2 (51:23):
Little Loneill tell you kick it out, pinning down and
then hell, come Loneill up in the hole on the linebacker.
Speaker 5 (51:30):
Now you.
Speaker 4 (51:33):
Gonna clear it out every time?
Speaker 2 (51:35):
Hey, them old school them, old school fullbacks like Sam
Gash I played with. I played with Gasher and Loneill.
They come with bad intentions head first, that roll it off.
Speaker 6 (51:49):
He low used to say, Hey, before the player, you say, hey, daddy,
get on my hip and don't do it.
Speaker 5 (51:54):
Let's go. That's what.
Speaker 2 (51:56):
Hey this get a O'Neill man a give old Neil
like one carre of game on thirty one.
Speaker 5 (52:03):
You good, yeah, yeah, you're good good.
Speaker 1 (52:07):
He bought hey, he bought it. He bought in.
Speaker 5 (52:10):
LT.
Speaker 1 (52:10):
Man, you look like you don't You done lost some weight?
Damn you do the trim down.
Speaker 5 (52:15):
Oh yo, man, I'm on this innemen fast and no. Yeah, man,
I get my workouts every day. Man, I feel good. Man,
you gotta I'm playing.
Speaker 1 (52:28):
Yeah, LT, you might be on the two hundred, LT.
Speaker 5 (52:33):
What about I'm about two ten. I'm about two ten.
Speaker 4 (52:36):
You need to come home at your boy. You know
I'm a nutritionist right now, I'm a nutritionist.
Speaker 5 (52:41):
What that died like?
Speaker 4 (52:42):
You know the same thing I hate when I played.
Speaker 1 (52:49):
Many don't hey, LT.
Speaker 3 (52:54):
Don't you know eleven NFL teams already hired me to
help with that nutrition and so the players stopped getting hurt.
No more, none of that soft tissue injury, no non contact,
none of that.
Speaker 4 (53:06):
None of that's happening.
Speaker 5 (53:07):
Now you charge you too much, I'll chow. You know
I'm on a budget now.
Speaker 4 (53:12):
Hey, hey, LT, I charged twenty dollars a week. That
ain't nothing.
Speaker 1 (53:19):
That's still too much.
Speaker 5 (53:20):
I'll mess with you ten dollars, hey, lt.
Speaker 1 (53:27):
So when what time do you use your first meal?
Speaker 5 (53:31):
About one o'clock?
Speaker 1 (53:33):
So you you get all your meals in between what
one and seven? One and eight?
Speaker 5 (53:37):
One in eight?
Speaker 4 (53:39):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (53:40):
One a man?
Speaker 1 (53:40):
So you going about fourteen to sixteen hours faster?
Speaker 5 (53:44):
Yep, yep, I do.
Speaker 2 (53:46):
So when when do you work out? You work out
in the morning, so you're working out on the emby stomach.
Speaker 5 (53:51):
So you doing the stomach? I am yeah, okay, I
am man. So I get I usually work out about
nine to ten o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 6 (53:59):
I get up early, get the kids off the school,
you know, and then uh no, I see, I will modify.
Speaker 5 (54:07):
With coffee, so I'll have coffee in the morning by
ten ounces.
Speaker 1 (54:12):
That's it, damn. Do you know how much ten ounces is?
Speaker 5 (54:17):
Yeah? Yeah, yeah, by tens.
Speaker 2 (54:20):
That's a that's a can of coca can of Coke's
twelve ounces and you've got to few of the day.
Speaker 1 (54:25):
But yeah, I got nothing on your stomach.
Speaker 5 (54:28):
Yeah yeah, I love that.
Speaker 6 (54:31):
Then and then I'll get my work out by that time.
By that time, you know, it's it's it's around twelve o'clock.
And once I order food to cook food, it's one.
Speaker 5 (54:41):
It's one o'clock.
Speaker 1 (54:42):
So yeah, see you go ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 4 (54:45):
O't yo, I'm gonna say you smoke cigars?
Speaker 5 (54:48):
Yeah, absolutely, yes, sir. I got a cigar lounge in
my house. Oh yo, what yes, I got a cigar lons.
Speaker 3 (54:56):
What are you rich?
Speaker 4 (55:01):
I gotta I gotta leave home to go to the
cigar bar. He got one in the house.
Speaker 1 (55:06):
Yeah, and Joe, both of them got properties. Now my
brother goes, he go on the back. He go on
the back porch. Ain't no lound th out. You're going
to go to the back porch and flow it out?
Speaker 5 (55:19):
Hey, l T.
Speaker 2 (55:20):
People always ask uh me. It was me and you
and Time and Carissa and uh we had picked somebody
and I had picked them to win. And Time told
me I didn't do that, and you said he did
he picked them, I said Time, I swept for gard
into white men.
Speaker 1 (55:35):
I picked him and y'all, Oh, but they don't really know.
Speaker 5 (55:44):
L T.
Speaker 2 (55:45):
The conversations that we had watching the games, me and
you in Time. I'm glad because this is what kind
of what my mind is, what I envisioned with nightcap
to B was kind of you know, we yeah, we
talked about games, but we talked about a lot of
other things. Man, oh, Joe, I was that was some
of my best word LT said, Man told me I
(56:08):
need to be a comedian.
Speaker 1 (56:09):
Say, I don't know why you played Fall. You need
to be a damn comedian for real.
Speaker 5 (56:13):
Dog This man said, two white men like why got
two white.
Speaker 3 (56:16):
Men like that?
Speaker 1 (56:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (56:20):
Back then, you know, back in the day, you weren't
living for them now because it would held the paper
you liing for them. But man, that that was that
was some fun times, man time, and I was talking
about that. Man, that was some great time.
Speaker 1 (56:32):
LT. Thanks for joining us, man.
Speaker 2 (56:33):
Congratulations on the Frogs going down to Chapel Hill forty
eight fourteen over the tar Heels come back and join
the later this season.
Speaker 5 (56:40):
LT definitely brother appreciated.
Speaker 1 (56:45):
Bro.
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I thought we're gonna have a good game because it
started out good for UNC. They got the ball go
right down the field, I said, Okay, I said, coach
Coach Belichick might have got him a stinker.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
But come to find out, all he did. They just
pooped on the field.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
That's the only stink out there, because boy, they stunk
it up tonight. Uh forty eight the fourteen the horn
Frogs travel on the road, go down to Chapel Hill,
Wo Chapel Bill. They need to pray for it, cause
they're gonna go get real luck. They're gonna get go,
get ug before it get better.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Oh Yo LT. But forty eight to.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Fourteen, TCU really had their way with them over five
hundred yards of total offense.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
They did a great job.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
They threw the ball well, they ran the ball exceptionally
well in North Carolina.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Look, I don't understand.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
It's coach Belichick's first year there, but you see the
talent the discrepancy. Now, I'm not saying TCU is it's
is Ohio State. I'm not saying that. I'm not saying
the LSU is one of those programs, but they're have
more talent than the Tar Heels. LG watched this game,
but I know you had a vested interest in this game.
You're a great alum of TCU. What did you like
(07:09):
about what you saw from your ball club?
Speaker 6 (07:13):
Well, to your point, your point, uncle, we have a
veteran team, man. You know, we have guys that have
played a lot of football. And you know, when you
have a veteran team, guys that have you know, been
in some tough games, have weather to storm, you're supposed
to win a game like this versus a team you
know in UNC who has brought in a lot of transfers.
Speaker 5 (07:34):
It's a lot of turnover.
Speaker 6 (07:36):
They still don't know what they have yet, so I'm
just keeping it honest. We were supposed to win this game.
But what I like from my team, like, typically we
can throw the ball all over the yard, but lately
we have had a trouble. We will have a little
trouble running the football to close out games. And you
guys know, as an RB, we gotta be able to
(07:57):
run thet ball. So that's what I love the most
tonight is what we had to run the ball in
the second half. Man, we dominated, We controlled a lot
of scrimmers. We had like three or four running backs
in there running the football, and I think that bowls
well for us.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
In the Big twelve, you took the ball, the first
player to drive, the first player the open of the
drive in the second half, and you go seventy five yards.
The guy goes seventy five yards untouched. So it was
a harbager of things to come. Oh Joe, you watched
this ball game. There was a lot of fan fare.
Everybody's talking about coach Belichick. We know what he's accomplished
at the NFL level. They started going through all his accolades,
(08:33):
the six Super Bowl wins, the nine Super Bowl appearances,
the seventeen to eighteen division titles, and YadA, YadA, YadA.
But now he's coaching players. And I think to a
certain point, all coaches have patients, but I think you
have to show even more patients now.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Even though some of these guys are getting paid.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
It's not like an NFL roster where every single guy
is getting played paid. But watching this game, Oho, what
did you Is there anything? Is there anything you can
take from what you saw from North Carolina?
Speaker 3 (09:01):
I mean, the only thing I could take a positive
from North Carolina is the head coach, Bill Belichick. That's
the only positive thing I can take. You're playing the
TCU team. Obviously, you can see the discrepancy and the
level of talent at each position. And one thing that
Bill Belichick always harped on, he always harped on, is turnovers.
You can't turn the ball over, you can't make mistakes.
It's one thing. Do your job and everything everything else
(09:23):
will take care of yourself. Now, I'm not sure North
Carolina's schedule and I'm not sure the team they have
coming forward, But when it comes to a team that's
evenly matched. You know, from skill from from from skill
set to skill set, whether it be defensive, offensively, we
would get to see a better outcome from Billy from
from Bill and that coaching staff.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
Coaching can only do so much. Uh yeah, lt coaches
can only do so much.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Point you have to go out there and execute, and
it's a team game, but it's eleven individuals on the field,
and you got to win your job. You got to
win your individual battle, and then the outcome of team
comes into play. They would are They weren't out coach,
but they were outclassed because at the level of talent
that TCU had tonight.
Speaker 7 (10:05):
Obviously, I think they looked I think they looked Yeah,
I was gonna say, I think they looked a little better.
Speaker 5 (10:11):
When the backup quarterback came in, Max, they looked.
Speaker 6 (10:15):
A little bit better. He threw the ball a little
bit better. They had a little bit better rhythm to
their offense. And if you guys know, that's Brad Johnson,
so you know he has the pedigree in order to
play the position. So maybe they make that turn to
the to this young young man who is obviously has
played a lot of football. He's been a l s U,
Texas and them, so he's played a lot of food.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
I agree question and have a question, would they really
make a move already from the starting quarterback after after.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
Just one game or do they give him another chance?
Will they make it? But will Bill make a move
that fast.
Speaker 5 (10:51):
The way he looked? Yeah he did.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
He did look good.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
And the question is how close was the quarterback battle?
Because it said I mean they said he won the battle,
So how close was it?
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Whether the runaway or whether the last second decision?
Speaker 2 (11:04):
But I agree with you, lt, because this young man
is played at the top.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
He's a starting quarterback in the SEC.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
He was starting quarterback at LSU, he was a starting
quarterback at at Texas, A and M and for him,
I'm surprised that he didn't win the job outright. I
think we need to give up mister Lopez a little credit.
But he didn't look good tonight now less, Okay, it's
one game. One game is not gonna determine, but it's
not gonna You can't have a lot, oh ChIL, you
only got ten eleven games. I can't wait till five
(11:32):
games in to say, okay, I'm gonna pull the plug.
Now it's a lot. You get a you get a
lot quicker hooked in college than you do in the
NFL because you have seventeen weeks as opposed to like
eleven weeks.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
And but look, they don't they're not good.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
To make a loss star short guys they reach about
oh if they have a short leash, a long leash,
they're not good.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
LT you mentioned it.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
When you get to seventy trains, you got seventy new guys,
you got thirty freshmen.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Oh man, what what do we expect? What do we expect?
Speaker 6 (12:05):
This is the ACC you playing the AC. You see
our Miami look yes, yes or no?
Speaker 2 (12:13):
You got you got Clemson and you got Clemson in
that division and that and that excuse me, in that conference.
So North Carolina guitar heels is gonna have to be
on their best behavior. Now I'm not saying, look wake Forest.
We'll see what Wake far As has in NC State.
And there are a couple of other teams the Dukes,
but right now Carolina needs a lot. I mean I
was what I was most disappointed in was their defense
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because that's where coach Belichick, that's where his son Steve Belichick.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
They cut their teeth.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
They're normally Hey, when you come home, I already knew
what my grandfather had was supposed to go. So when
he took it off and handed to me, Ojo, I
went and put it right on the hat, right because
I know where it was supposed to be. The card
heels are supposed to be able to hang the hat on.
What Ojoe defense? You got the greatest defensive mind and his.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
Son, hold on, hold on, lt Listen, you got it.
You got the greatest defensive mind right.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
When you with the Pagers. He was the greatest defensive mind.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
But he also had the tools out there on the
field to be able to exq everything everything he brought
to his mind.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
Yes, but now you're at the collegiate level, you might
have your horse had to run.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
Listen that they didn't stop.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
You got to have the talent there. You have to
have the talent. You got to. You can't. You just can't.
You can't have a beautiful mind with a ten cent finish.
Speaker 5 (13:35):
Right, they didn't stop?
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Mt you really, oh Joe. You guys remember we used
to be in the game and so a lot of defense.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Watch the run, watch the past. Yeah, but you can't
stop either one of them.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
So it don't matter what we do, are you right,
We're gonna do one or the other, but you can't
stop either one. That was that was the tar heels tonight.
They couldn't stop anything. Guy had one carre twenty eight yards,
eleven care the buck thirteen with a seventy five yard touchdown.
Seven carries for twenty eight yard, I mean thirty five
for two fifty eight. I'm like bro are y'all was
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talking about the receiver. The receiver had what ten catches? Yes, sir, Yes, sir.
They didn't stop nothing nothing.
Speaker 5 (14:18):
So to your point, like.
Speaker 6 (14:19):
They got a hang, they had on something. That's that's
Bill Belichick's mo o. You know, to be able to
take something away, And tonight they didn't have the horses
to be able to take anything.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Yeah, and and and in horse racing, look a good
friend of mine, Bob baffortt he trained two triple Crome
winners American Fair Row is justified. But at the end
of the day, yeah, that has plays a role. But
he had the fail breads to run. So whether you're
Western Sol, d Wayne Lucas, McGahee, Bob Baffort, it does
not matter if you do not have horses to run.
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You cannot win significant races in football. If look, and
I don't take anything away from and you read all
these great coaches, but you got to have players. At
the end of the day. It is the gyms and
the joels. It ain't no excellent nose. Because you can
have all the minds you want. It's the gyms and
the joels that's gonna determine how good those excellent nose
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actually are.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
Every time, everybody not a not.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
A great start to coach Belichick's college career, college coaching career. Uh,
they lose at home forty eight to fourteen. And outside
of that opening drive that game, what really wasn't close
and they took a knee.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
They took a.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Knee on a goal to gold situation, or they could
have had a family a party style nugget a fifty
piece on them.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
They're gonna be alright, though, l T. Theyre gonna be alright.
They're gonna be alright.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
They I don't know if they're gonna be alright this year.
Speaker 5 (15:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
No, they're gonna have some they're gonna have some ups
and downs, but they're gonna compete.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
They're gonna compete.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
Bill is the type of coach that even if you're losing,
even even with loss his life tonight, even with lost likes,
that's the type of coach you still want to do
everything you can for to only not only appease him,
but to prove the doubt is wrong. All those that
are gonna be talking trash. You know what the media,
you know what the media gonna do. The O they
gonna they gonna RIPHM, the sreds. They was waiting for
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an opportunity like this, waiting to see what the day
he looks like.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
And then you go out there and lose the player.
The players go, they gonna step up, They gonna step up.
They're not gonna fold.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
The NFL Top one hundred, the top ten NFL players
were unveiled tonight. At number ten was Patrick Curtained at
number nine, Patrick Curtained, the second excuse me, number nine,
Justin Jefferson number eight, Miles Garrett number seven, Derrick Henry
number six, Joe Burrow. I don't know if y'all notice
y'all keep talking about the SEC is dead. But the
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top that's for the top ten players right there, that's
from that conference. Patrick Mahonmes was number five, Jamar Chase
another guy. I don't know if y'all notice, but six
of the top ten from the SEC, but that that
conference is dead. Number three is Josh Allen, Number two
Lamar Jackson and the number one player voted by his peers. Barkley,
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any surprises. Are you surprised?
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (17:17):
L t o ho Are you surprised that Sauan beat
out Josh Allen and Lamar to be the number one
player in the NFL this season voting on by his peers.
Speaker 5 (17:28):
Lt.
Speaker 6 (17:31):
I'm a bit surprised, am I because because we're living
in the world where it's all about the quarterback and
we know that and rightfully so. I mean, Josh Allen
is a reigning MVP, okay, so you would think that,
you know, he would get the most votes from his peers,
and even beyond Josh Allen, Lamar, Josh with the type
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of season he had last year, Man, he had one
of the top seasons from any quarterback in history, you
hear me, So you know, I'm very surprised. I mean,
Saquon obviously had a spectacular year and you know, got
close to the Russian record of a single season. But
he didn't get it, and so you know that Wolds
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way that he didn't get it, but he did win
the Super Bowl. So I think players at the end
of the day are giving him credit for being you know,
going over two thousand yards and winning the Super Bowl
championship and being the catalyst for that that Eagles. That's right,
and I think that had a lot to do with it. Look,
(18:35):
I think he deserves it.
Speaker 5 (18:37):
Saquon has has really elevated the.
Speaker 6 (18:39):
Running back position, the value the value of the running
back position.
Speaker 5 (18:43):
So hands down, our solute Saquon man for being the
number one player, respect and.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
We've talked more about the running back position and twenty
four and leading the twenty five than we have at
any point in time in the last decade. Guys, because
of what we saw with Derrick Henry, what we saw
with sa Kwan Barkley, what we saw with the Josh Jacobs,
what we saw with Joe Mixon. There were a lot
of running backs like hold On, Jonathan Taylor, hold On,
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they still got the.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Gibbs.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
So they're trying to say, look, there is still value
when used correctly. So y'all want to put them behind.
Y'all want to put them behind no quarterback, so so
offensive line. Look at all these guys that we mentioned.
Sa Kwan Barkley, look at his quarterback, look at his
offensive line. Derrick Henry look at his quarterback, Look at
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his offensive line. Joe Mixon, look at his quarterback, look
at his offensive line. Gibbs look at his quarterback, look
at his offensive line. Josh Jacob look at his quarterback.
You see a real current theme here. But see y'all,
but when a quarterback don't succeed, boy, they Makeay's hues
in the world. Now, all of a sudden, the running
back nose to see. Oh man, he over the hill.
(19:55):
There ain't no value in him. Nah, you're you're right.
Ain't nobody running behind. I ain't got no line. And
if I set my defense and your quarterback can't beat me,
I am not going to let your running back beat me.
You saw what the Chiefs tried to do in the
Super Bowl. Guys, they say we are not letting Saquan
beat us. Josh jayla Hurst says, Okay, you know what
(20:15):
I don't drag no beer behold is Jingerrell.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
I got something for y'all. I got something for y'all.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Well, go ahead on Joe, Are you surprised to see
Saquan at the top? You got two backs in the
top ten.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
Top ten, Yeah, most definitely. I wasn't surprised at all.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Obviously, sa Quon is a Tier one back, and those
tier one backs are the reason why the value of
the running back position is now prevalent because the players
like se Quon obviously being in a perfect situation Eagles
officer line, and he's one of the reasons why they
were able to reach the Super Bowl, actually take them
over the hump and getting back to the Super Bowl.
Obviously we have to give credit to their defense as well,
(20:50):
but Josh Allen had a great season. Lamar Jackson had
a great season. But I think the number one spot
was given the Saquon not with just his play on
the field, but what he does also off the few
and the fact he was able to win a ring
was a cherry on top. So it was a no
brainer as far as your peers speaking of his number one, Yeah, so.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Sa Kwan Barkley voted by his peers as the number
one player in the NFL in the top one hundred,
Lamar Jackson was second. Lamar Jackson was second. Last year,
Josh Allen's number three. I think he was outside of
the top ten. Jamar Chase was way down. He's number four.
Patrick Mahomes was number four last year.
Speaker 5 (21:26):
He's number five.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
Joe, what do you mean way down?
Speaker 1 (21:29):
I think he was thirty five last year. Oh, Joe
Pase was Yeah, he was.
Speaker 5 (21:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Oh I thought you said way down there. No, no, no,
I was saying compared to where he was last year. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah yeah. Lamar was too last year. I think Josh
Allen was twelve. I think Jamar Chase was like thirty five.
Patrick Mahonmes was four. Joe Burrow was a little outside
of the top twenty. I think Deack Henry, Miles Garrett,
Miles Garrett was number five. Justin Jefferson had coming off
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that sensational year, he got it.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
I think he got Nick.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
But Justin Jefferson being a top player, he's been misterconsistent
and you know, defensive player to your pass team. But
I think with mainly with Saquan and Derrick Henry, what
they were able to do. One guy went for two thousand,
the other guy went for nineteen twenty one. First time
a guy that's rushed for nineteen hundred yards, didn't win
the rushing title.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
So that just goes to show you how.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Well the other guy played, because normally, lt you get
nineteen hundred yards, you're like, yeah, I got that rushing,
I got that big of the bag.
Speaker 5 (22:27):
What absolutely, And let's keep this in mind, guys, the
easiest way to win games is still running a football.
Speaker 6 (22:34):
I mean, because you take away the chances of turning
it over and crazy things happening. When you can run
the football and impose your will, you know, cut down
on the game, You help your defense and all that
kind of stuff. So I think at the end of
the day, that's why we're starting to see just a
little shift. I'm not saying we're going completely back to
where you win no, no, no.
Speaker 5 (22:56):
No get back there.
Speaker 6 (22:59):
No, we ain't gonna ever get back there. But I
think there's more teams that's starting to focus on the run.
It the run game a little bit more to control games,
especially when you have a young quarterback or quarterback who
can manage things at the line of scrimmage, like all
the ones you mentioned, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, all those
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guys that have good running backs as well.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
It's not going back because you see where these quarterback
salaries are going.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
You're about to have a quarterback making seventy million.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
You're not paying the guy seventy million dollars to turn
around and hand it to a guy that's making ten million.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
That ain't happening. We pay pay.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
We're paying you seventy million to throw it to a
guy that's making forty. So that's why you're never going
to see And plus why would you because guess what.
I can get a rough in the passing. I can
get an illegal contact, I can get unnecessary rougherens. I
got so many things that can go right if I
just throw the football.
Speaker 6 (23:53):
You see d But you're still putting that seventy million
dollars quarterback in jeopardy.
Speaker 5 (23:57):
If you got a defense that's hit, yeah, for.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Seventy million dollars, I'm in jeopardy. You see with Josh Allen.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
You see what Josh Allen just got this off season
LT three hundred and a quarter of a Billy guarantee.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
But you know you got to think about too. You
got to remember this NFL to LT, this is this
is the passing league. And yes, in the backs that
can take that time off the clock that can get
the defensive rest on the sideline. It's only a handful
of them.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
It's only a handful of them bullers, like they can
really carry that whole offense on their back where you
don't even have to throw the ball.
Speaker 4 (24:31):
When it comes to crunch time and you want to
buy some time and take some time off the clock.
It's only a few line.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Oh yeah, there's only there's only a handful of guys.
I remember when Peyton Manning came to the Broncos. I
mean he was he got like ninety six million for
five years. I mean just think about that.
Speaker 5 (24:46):
Just just wow.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
And what for the longest time, twenty five million was
pretty good money for was great money for a quarterback.
And then it went to thirty and then they're like, noah,
thirty ain't nothing. Now you had sixty million dollars. Sixty
million dollars and guess what LT we know this, Oh Joe,
they're gonna add another game. It's gonna be eighteen games.
(25:11):
I give it five years. They're gonna add another playoff
game too. That's coming. Because YouTube YouTube won't end on
this this action. They want to become a network in
the only way to come a network, you gotta have
live sporting events, mainly the NFL. Guess who else you
want to go on to get in on that? A Netflix? Amazon?
(25:34):
Amazon said, you know, look, we love that Thursday night package.
We really do, guys. We don't want you to think
we greedy, but we are. We like Black Friday Football,
that Friday game after Thanksgiving. But I mean, we could
really use a package. And you're talking about somebody that's
sitting on hordes of cash. Somebody's sitting on thirty forty
fifty one hundred billion in cash, and the one thing
(25:57):
a money talk Cash screams Yes, so we're gonna see
what's happening. But it's coming, it's coming. What was it
he said, coach?
Speaker 1 (26:11):
What did you come? Said about twenty twenty five? He close?
Speaker 2 (26:15):
They wanted to be they wanted to be a twenty
billion dollar industry. They're close twenty thirty. Absolutely, they're gonna
be twenty five thirty billion dollars.
Speaker 4 (26:23):
A year easy.
Speaker 6 (26:24):
So so so let's let's uh, let's sit with that
one for a minute because I got a question. Okay,
So that means that the season is gonna have to
be prolonged a little bit because the players gonna want
another part two by weeks.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
We used to have two by weeks of lt before
you got the league. Back in the mid nineties, you
had two by weeks.
Speaker 4 (26:42):
Yeah, we had too. Yeah in the nineties.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Wow, yeah, you know you had two by you got
you got to have it. But oh, Joe lt Man,
they're gonna be playing the super Bowl and got they
gonna Sat Patrick's Day, right right, that's one. I'm cause
you started out the Labor Day. If you got two
five weeks, think about it. You already at the second week,
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You already the second week, and what's coming. So now
if you add another a playoff game, yeah, you gonna
be damned near Saint Patty's Day. You damn sure. After
President's Day in February, you're gonna beat the third Hey,
you're gonna be the third week, fourth week. Well, there's
only four weeks in February anyway, but you might be
playing on leap year. And but that's what that's what
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the money is, because what else can you do. The
only thing you can do is give them another game.
There ain't nothing else you can do in the game.
Within the game, you can only give them an additional
game to create additional revenue avenue. Yeah, and these owners,
the one thing we know about them, they can know.
You can never That's one thing you've never heard somebody say.
(27:48):
People have said, I got too many pairs of shoes,
I got too many, too many, too much jewelry, I
got too many cars, I got too many homes.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
Name the person that's ever said, man, I got too
much money.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
Yeah, you're right, But listen, so even you got to
you gotta remember too, if they are adding the game,
even no matter how long it is, if the season
goes in there in the second third week of February,
the players understand they getting the bigger a bigger piece
of the pie too. They're getting the bigger piece of
the pie. And now I don't know, we don't know
what it's gonna look like yet.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
All I want that pie. Oho.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
I don't want any don't don't franchise me, no franchise tax.
I want lifetime if I if I get ten years
in the League of LT, Oho, I want lifetime health benefits.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
That's that that should be a bare minimum on you. LT.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
That should be a bare minimum because let's just say,
for the sake of argument, you get health insurance for
five years after you retire. The average career is about
two and a half to three years. Okay, you retired
twenty five, Bro, you ain't gonna have no illness. Nothing
really made you some at thirty you need that issue
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sixty five.
Speaker 5 (28:56):
Down the road.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
Yes, I mean you can. You can put you know,
you can pro longer. You can take the five years
any time you want to. But but at thirty, from
twenty five to thirty, nah nah nah nah, I will
if I get ten years, I wont lifetime health benefits,
I won't. And guess what, I don't want you to
be able to franchise me. Yeah no, and all this
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well they got to pick one or the other.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
You know how this both of us?
Speaker 5 (29:20):
Oh, show you know how this works.
Speaker 6 (29:22):
You gotta come to the table and the owners are
gonna tell you you're gonna get one thing, which one
of which one do you want?
Speaker 5 (29:29):
Do you want lifetime benefits? Well then that's what we're
gonna We're gonna work out a deal to make.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
But I say you get one, and then the.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Players gonna happen, say I tell you what you get one?
You want an extra regular season game or an extra
playoff game, you get one.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
Hey tell you, Hey, listen, the players got one person
on ALT that'll fight for him.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
One person you put me in, you put me in.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
Position of power to represent the players. I'm gonna get
his lifetime benefits no franchise had. And what's the other
one guaranteed contracts?
Speaker 4 (30:02):
That's my three Hey, I'm telling LT. I'm telling you.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
Once I put that suit on, once I put that
suit in, that tie on, and you put me in
the right room and I flipped that switch, where's a rap?
Speaker 2 (30:17):
But uh, they the players have got to get something.
But they bargained for petty privileges way back when in LT.
Because see you're bargaining talking about well I don't want
to do two a day's Well I don't want to
put the pads on.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
But so many times during the course of the year.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
Bro, you play the game of football, you play tackle football,
but you don't want to tackle. Yeah, yeah, so you
bargain for pretty privileges. Go look at what what Roger
Godell bargained for. M look at what they bargain for different. Now,
if Roger Dedell ain't taking no hits, he got lifetime
medical He get used to the jet.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
You see what he bored.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
You see the difference between bargaining what I'm bargaining for
and what you're bargaining for.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
He want benefits they think of long term too.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Even though he's making thirty forty million dollars a year.
He wants someone else to pay for those lifetime benefits.
Speaker 5 (31:05):
But why you think, I mean, think about it.
Speaker 6 (31:08):
Why as players, the current players, why aren't they thinking
about lifetime benefits?
Speaker 5 (31:14):
Why that area of focus.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
I'm I'm not gonna get a debilitating illness. I'm not
gonna get anything that's gonna disrupt what I've already got.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
I remember, and I'm not gonna call anybody's name.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Because I was in the league when free agency actually
have with LT and there are a lot of guys, Man,
you give me a million dollars, damn them benefits.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
I buy my own health insurance. Now, I ain't telling
you what somebody told you.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
I'm telling you what I know because I was in
the league when the Reggie White and the self Joinings,
when they filed that petition and it came and we
got free agency. And that's what a lot of guys
say you give me a million dollars, you give me
two million dollars, I buy my own health care.
Speaker 5 (31:52):
And that's my point.
Speaker 6 (31:53):
That's my point because most players feel like that. We
investment absolutely, we never think about what's gonna happen. You know,
after we retired to fifteen years, after we were tired,
we never think about that.
Speaker 5 (32:05):
We are warriors. We only think about.
Speaker 6 (32:08):
What's happening now and getting as much money as possible
for us to live off UK.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
And see what happens.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
You get a situation where you get a divorce, or
you have a couple of kids outside and next thing,
you know, five ten thousand and fifteen thousand a month,
the white take half. She takes half your pension. So
now you're half the person that you're went into the
relationship with now long term. Because if somebody would have
told me when I was twenty five, thirty thirty five
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forty that I was gonna have both of my hisps replaced,
I wouldn't have believed it. So now you talk about
one hundred and twenty five thousand dollars surgery per okay,
you get, I mean some of these cancer drugs you're
talking about thirty forty thousand dollars a month.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
What whoa a month a month? A month a month? Yes,
So like l T to your point, l T. We
don't think, we think we're invincible.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
And things that that that happened to normal citizens that
didn't play in the NFL, that ain't gonna.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Happen to us.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
We're not gonna become a burden. We're not gonna have Alzheimer's,
we're not gonna have dementia. We're not gonna suffer Louke Garryt's.
We're not gonna suffer things that is a stress when
you have to have twenty four hour care but out
of ay, but out of eat how to eat up
a savings.
Speaker 5 (33:31):
And so they don't.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
You don't, you don't think about things like that. But
I wish the players would think give it more more consideration.
When they think long term, say, let you know what, okay, yeah,
but a lot of and plus guys other sports, they
think about the guys that's coming after them. You see
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Kurt Flood, he never benefited for free agency cost him
his career, but everybody else that did. You see, nobody
is willing to risk anything that might cost them. And
the thing is o Joe, and I told I told
Ojo this. Sometimes you got to plant a tree realizing
that you're not gonna benefit from the shade it produces.
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Sometimes you gotta fight for something that you're not gonna
be the benefits of what you're actually fighting for. Think
about all the people in the sixties that fought for
civil rights, never got a chance, that never got a
chance to sit at a to go to a SegReg
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non segregated place, that never got an opportunity to do
anything but sit in the back, that never got an
opportunity to see a black president, that never got an
opportunity to some of the things that we get afforded.
Sometimes you have to be willing to sacrifice some things
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for the betterment of everything. And I don't think enough
people think of it like that.
Speaker 5 (35:02):
H Well said.
Speaker 6 (35:05):
Well said, my grandfather worked in the cotton so that
so I could be living in this house right now.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
Hey, you know, we didn't pick my my uncles and aunt,
my uncles, my mom, my uncle's older uncles because they
were born they were born in the forties, so they
you know, they picked cotton. My grandmother, my mom is
the oldest girl, so my grandmother was still having kids.
The oldest girl what she had to do, take care
of the boat, take care of the other kids until
they got big enough to get their ass in the
cotton field. My grandma pregnant and still picking cotton. My
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grandfather was dipping, dipping tar. Unless you're from the South,
you probably don't know what that is, but he was
dipping tar. So it was it was a It was
a different ashe told me. A lot of y'all in
the chat ask me why I get off camera, and uh,
and my nose. It's really hard for me to blow
(35:57):
my nose because they got a plate in my eye,
and I have to be very very careful because I
end up blowing the plate out. My nose will start
bleeding if I blow my nose too hard. So instead
of just blowing it, I just wipe it. And I
don't want to be on camera wiping my nose in
front for the world to see, so that's why I
just remove myself to the side. So I do have
a plate that's had to be replaced a couple of
(36:19):
times because I had a fractional orbital.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
But that's why I'm doing that, guys.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
Rather than rewarding running back for production once their rickey
contract expire. Has happened at almost every position. The NFL's
nineteen ninety one MVP My Dog Thrman Thomas is upset
that teams are instead letting them go and moving on
to the next, younger, cheaper player. You still deserve a contract.
The first team has to put you through hell. Yet
I'm still ready to go. Haven't had any injuries, and
(36:45):
now give me my damn money. To Thurham totally associated
press with such a turnover. It's the reason why only
three running backs Barkley, McCaffrey, and Henry are averaging fifteen
million per this season as compared to twenty six wide receivers.
It's not even the receiver money. It's like we're hanging
hanging with the punters and the kickers.
Speaker 5 (37:05):
You're right.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
They're looking at it like, oh yo, the best year
is on the tier of cars when it's brand new. Yeah,
you drive that car all over the city. You put
fifty thousand miles on the car. The cards ain't the same.
That's how they look at running backs. That's how they
look at y'all.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
Like LT.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
Hold on, LT, we gave you the ball two hundred
and seventy times and you caught one hundred passes, LT,
and you did that one.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
Oh yeah, that's how they think.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
But but listen, but the Therman Thomas point, that's how
they think with the tier two and below running backs.
The tier ones are the ones that are still making
the big money, not as much as the receivers, nowhere
near the quarterbacks, but the tier ones that could change
your whole offense. Your tier one, to LT's point, that
can kill that time and let your de his rest
(38:00):
for a little bit, especially in garbage time when it's
time to end a game. It's only a few, It's
only a handful of those. That's why it's only a.
Speaker 4 (38:07):
Handful of make twelve, thirteen, fourteen, what damn near.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
Twenty twenty guys? To Thurman's point, where does sa Kwan
Barkley have to do to go get that money? Whether
it with the Giants or whether it with someone else?
Where did Derrick Henry? Where did Derrick Henry have to
go o ho to get that money? Was it with
the Titans or was it with the Ravens? And remember
last year he played on eight million dollar deal. He
(38:32):
had two years for sixteen million.
Speaker 4 (38:34):
Over they came back. They came back twenty Yes.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
So really, the only guy that's ever gotten money at
the running back position, you got to go back to Zeke.
And Zeke was probably the one that really hurt because
he was never the same after he got that money,
and everybody looked, and everybody looked at Zeke and they said,
hold on, look at that offensive line he got. He
got two for show Hall of famers, a potential Hall
of Famer that retired. The center retired because he's like,
(38:58):
I don't want to do it anymore. And Zeke just
stepped up a cliff.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
Yards per game, went down, yards per carry, get.
Speaker 3 (39:04):
Down, don't don't remember he heard his knee too, heard
his knee real bad.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
He didn't hurt his kne every year old jam.
Speaker 5 (39:12):
Yeah but see but see this is this is how
you solved that. For one, the running backs that are
game changing, the guys.
Speaker 6 (39:22):
That can hit a home run from any spot on
the field, that can catch the ball and do everything,
they're gonna be the ones that have to change the game.
And when I say change the game, guys, I meaning
signs shorter deal. Strike when the iron is hot. Running
backs two or three year deals, you.
Speaker 5 (39:41):
Know if because think about it, most running backs they.
Speaker 8 (39:45):
Can perform and and and perform at a high level
early in their career, like, it doesn't take long for
them to you know, kind of get become a staple
on the offense and get going and become one of
the top at their positions.
Speaker 5 (39:58):
It don't take long. So why why can't you come back.
Speaker 6 (40:00):
To the table after two and three years and then
sign a shorter deal, a two year deal?
Speaker 7 (40:06):
Two year let's say, two year, fifty million. Oh you
ain't going to hear that, O Joe's cure. But let
me take let me let me tell you why they're
not gonna do it, O Joe. I mean, Ltam, because
in order for me to give you a big signing bonus,
I need to pro rate it over the life of
the contract. So even if I if you want a
two year deal, let's just say, lt you want a
(40:28):
two year deal for forty million dollars and I want
to give you I want to give you.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
I say, I give you twenty million dollars to sign. Well,
I only get to pro rate that over two years.
So now that's ten. So let's just say, for the
sake of argument, I give you two million. So I
give you two million. That's twelve million. And guess what now,
that's twenty eight million. That's thirty Your next that next
year is thirty eight million. Cap here. They're not gonna
(40:53):
let that happen. So and plus, when you're running back
and you are your first round draft pick.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
Got you for three years. I got you for I
got you for five.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
Now if I'm nice, if I'm nice and you on
time and you hadn't been injured, I'll do the deal
after three. But if not, I know, I got a
fourth year, a fifthier option, and two franchise tags.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
So I got you for seven years and I ain't
got to do nothing.
Speaker 4 (41:18):
That's nasty work.
Speaker 6 (41:20):
Listen.
Speaker 4 (41:20):
That's that.
Speaker 3 (41:21):
That's that Jerry Jones work you talking about right now.
The next the next running back that's gonna hit, that's
gonna hit big, and there won't be any question about it.
There won't be h We don't really value the running
back position.
Speaker 4 (41:32):
Because we know what you can get.
Speaker 3 (41:33):
One of the few players, one of a few running
backs in the NFL that can hit their head off
the goal post from anywhere.
Speaker 5 (41:38):
On the field.
Speaker 4 (41:38):
That's brother, that's brother, Jamior Gibbs down in Detroit. Oh,
he I'm talking about he going, he going north of
seventeen eighteen.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
Oh, absolutely, Robinson gonna get paid too, Yeah, okay, yeah.
Speaker 6 (41:52):
They gotta go above twenty those guys like in order
to reset the market for future guys in their position
that everybody ain't gonna get that. We know that everybody's
not gonna get that, but the special ones they gotta
get that, you kidd, I'm.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
Surprised that they did this for Sakuon because think about it, guys,
he got a fifty million dollar quarterback.
Speaker 1 (42:14):
You got a fifty million dollar quarterback.
Speaker 2 (42:16):
You got a twenty dollars receiver, you got a thirty
million dollar a thirty million dollar receiver, a twenty eight
million dollar receiver.
Speaker 1 (42:23):
Yeah, and you.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
Got a twenty million dollar running back. And you got
look at Lane Johnson what he made. Look at what
my allotta mate, look at what Dickerson made. They paying
they did, They just redid a bron You know, you've
got to see that. That man child in the middle,
Jalen Carter, you got to see him. You got two
guys on the edge that in another year you're gonna
(42:46):
have to see.
Speaker 1 (42:47):
One of them.
Speaker 4 (42:49):
Listen, Jayden Carterffin and reset the whole market. Yeah, at
every at every position.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
Well, I don't know if he's I don't think you're
gonna catch Michael.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
But the number of d J Chris Jones, Stone Coach
Jones for the Campas City, the Chiefs, he's at thirty
one and a half for DT, so he's way over
everybody else.
Speaker 1 (43:09):
At the DT position.
Speaker 5 (43:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (43:10):
Most definitely you're talking.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
About the guy that's twenty four, twenty five, but he
don't realize how good he can be.
Speaker 1 (43:15):
He still don't know how good he can be.
Speaker 3 (43:17):
Yeah, you know, you know why he's not gonna not
gonna catch Michael, or he might not. He's gonna he's
gonna overlap. He's gonna leave overleap Chris Jones. Yes, because
Howie and Jeffrey always pay early.
Speaker 4 (43:29):
They're not gonna win. They're not gonna wait. They're gonna
pay early.
Speaker 5 (43:32):
You're not gonna turn it down.
Speaker 2 (43:34):
And plugs O Joe the sacks DT though, like I said, uh,
the thing is what spoiled us who is Aaron Donald?
Because d Tackle's not supposed to get twenty sacks sl T.
They're not supposed to be getting fifteen sacks, you start
to run get us about seven eight sacks we.
Speaker 4 (43:51):
Had were be distructive.
Speaker 1 (43:53):
Yeah yeah, uh but I agree, uh but really the
only guy, but you got too.
Speaker 2 (43:59):
For the longest, nobody even approached Christa McCaffrey's that fifteen
and of Zeke's fifteen for years. It wasn't until Christian
McCaffrey got a new deal from the forty nine ers
that that leap frogged. And then because remember the Giants
didn't want to do anything with Saquon, they made him
(44:21):
play on the franchise tag, and then they ended up
letting him go, and when he let him go, he
still didn't get past the fifteen. It wasn't until two
thousand yards. It wasn't until Offensive Player of the Year
that he got. He broke the twenty million dollar barrier.
Think about it, Derrick Henry, he was on an eight
to ten million dollar a year contract. So he goes
for nineteen twenty one and sixteen seventeen touchdowns before they
(44:44):
finally put him at the fifteen. So somebody going to
aid in order to break them to leap frog Saquan boy,
you a you're gonna have to have an LT season
thirty two touchdowns, offensive player to year mv LT. If
you want somebody to get to twenty five millions, they're
gonna have to beat the seasons. Because LT had damn
nineteen hundred yards thirty plus touchdowns. He called another fifty
(45:07):
passes for another five hundred yards. Unless you're gonna have
a season.
Speaker 1 (45:11):
Like LT had.
Speaker 4 (45:12):
Yeah, that was that old five season. Right when y'all
came and played us.
Speaker 5 (45:18):
It was old seal. Yeah, that O six playd y'all.
Y'all jumped up on like, hey, game, godlieve that thing
was rocking.
Speaker 4 (45:29):
I don't know what happened. We lost, man, but.
Speaker 2 (45:32):
Y'all you go ahead, walk them down there, lay hey,
hey over there.
Speaker 6 (45:39):
Then hey, we don't sound like classing at them, like okay,
this first war, y'all.
Speaker 1 (45:50):
LT.
Speaker 2 (45:50):
When you look around the league today and there's a
lot of running back, what running back reminds you of yourself?
Speaker 6 (45:57):
Man, that's a good one. I mean, you know, I
see traces of myself in different running backs, you know,
Like I think when I think about the jump cut,
you know, the balance and spending stuff. Sat Kwan Yanna
has that that low citing Gramney gravity being able to bounce.
Speaker 5 (46:14):
From hole to whole and then hit the whole explosiveness.
Speaker 6 (46:18):
But when I think about like coming out the backfield,
you know, I came out the backfield a.
Speaker 5 (46:23):
Lot Gibby, man, Gibby coming out that back.
Speaker 6 (46:26):
Because because here here's the thing that people misunderstand. When
you coming out the backfield, you gotta come out fast.
You can't come out looking. You gotta come out running.
Speaker 5 (46:36):
Man, you know.
Speaker 6 (46:37):
And so because there's matchups, it's either gonna be a
safety or right back on you most of the time.
So come out running, scare the daylights out of and
then cut off of them, you know what I mean.
That's what Gibby does do so well.
Speaker 5 (46:50):
So I think those two, I mean, there's a little
bit Christian McCaffrey some things that he does as well. Man. Yeah,
those are the gods.
Speaker 3 (46:59):
I don't think people understand how difficult the running back
position is when it comes to those tier and running
backs LT like like you jamiir Give, sa Quan Derrick
Henry is a little bit different.
Speaker 1 (47:09):
Needs not like you guys from No No, No, here
is the old school.
Speaker 3 (47:14):
Yeah, yeah, but you are Jami Give for example, and
you two L T being able to get the ball
and be at be fast, being able to come come
to balance and be able to re accelerate right right,
right then and there, and be able to set set
linebackers up, set set safeties up to still make.
Speaker 4 (47:32):
A move and not move and not lose any not momentum.
But what's the word, No wasting movement.
Speaker 3 (47:38):
That's what I'm looking for, No waste of moving everything
everything in one in one, in one transaction, in one transition.
Speaker 4 (47:43):
Everybody can't do that, man.
Speaker 1 (47:45):
I told the man stop. Let the l t run
that damn Texas right on, y'all.
Speaker 2 (47:48):
Knock his hands down across y'all, damn faith anywhere out
he gonna run the flat. He gonna come up and
make you think he's gonna run a Texas across your face,
or he's gonna break it out whole ass on you made.
Speaker 6 (48:04):
I got to a point though, you know where they
allowed me to step up that scene. If you, if you,
if you you know what I'm saying, If you stay,
if you stayed inside, I just standing that scene. I
did differ like that up up in my high one
went by seven nil.
Speaker 1 (48:19):
You caught up, So we played, y'all.
Speaker 2 (48:20):
I think that was my I think that might have
been my first year back, my first year back in
Denver where you hit it for like two hundred and
had ten catches.
Speaker 1 (48:30):
What damn.
Speaker 3 (48:34):
Where he come from?
Speaker 5 (48:39):
Man?
Speaker 1 (48:39):
It's uh.
Speaker 2 (48:42):
Like the running back position now, l T. You see
a lot of guys that because a lot of teams
run a two back system.
Speaker 1 (48:49):
That's not what you had.
Speaker 2 (48:50):
You had you an old school tight end full back
in front of you, low Neil leading, Yeah, leading the
way that that's that's that's what in today's game, it's
more of a two back system. How different is LT's
career if he had to split? If he had to
split reps?
Speaker 5 (49:12):
What you mean? If I had to I wouldn't do
I wouldn't do it. Like no, I was. I was selfish.
I ain't coming out the game dogs, you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (49:21):
And that was part of the reason why, Like I
prided myself on being able to do every scene so
you didn't have to say, Oh, he can't he can't block,
or he can't run this route, or he can't catch.
I prided myself on that, and I wanted to take
every rep. I was just that competitive because I believe
if I was on the sideline, something was gonna happen
(49:43):
that that, you know, like I couldn't control, so I
couldn't do it today.
Speaker 2 (49:48):
Man.
Speaker 5 (49:48):
And here's the other thing.
Speaker 6 (49:50):
Like when you're the bell cow guy, you're thinking the
long call. Huh oh Joe, you're thinking, Okay, in the
fourth quarter is when I really got.
Speaker 5 (50:00):
To get going.
Speaker 6 (50:00):
Let me you know, let me get my yards. I'm
gonna step out of bounce here and there. You know
what I'm saying, I'm gonna save myself. But in the
fourth quarter, when the boys a little bit time would
give him the stiff on, you know what I'm saying,
I'm gonna run through a.
Speaker 5 (50:12):
Couple of tackles.
Speaker 6 (50:13):
That's when because that was something that Marty Schottenheimer instilled
in me.
Speaker 5 (50:18):
And pose your wheel throughout the game.
Speaker 6 (50:20):
I mean I hear it playing in my mind like yesterday.
That was something he always said and we live by.
Speaker 1 (50:28):
Yeah, y'all.
Speaker 2 (50:28):
I mean, maybe you look, you went to the perfect
situation because Marty gonna run the football.
Speaker 1 (50:34):
Mrighty gonna run it. Marty gonna put that ball in
your in your bellyal tea, that's what That's what Marty
gonna do.
Speaker 5 (50:40):
Hey. But here's the thing though, y'all. So in college,
think about it.
Speaker 6 (50:44):
I was a perimeter runner, like you know, I was
a sweep guy. You know, get on the dimeter, do
my thing.
Speaker 5 (50:51):
Man.
Speaker 6 (50:52):
When I first got to San Diego and Marty came in,
he started talking about running power and going down to
a gap.
Speaker 5 (50:58):
Hey. I used to bounce that to get mad. Used
to getting Hey, gap, trust it. I'm like, coach, ain't nothing.
I ain't got to bounce it, you know what I'm saying.
But I had to learn that.
Speaker 6 (51:12):
I had to learn how to be an inside runner.
I didn't want to embrace it at first, but I'm
glad I did.
Speaker 5 (51:18):
Man, it did make me a better y'all.
Speaker 1 (51:21):
Running that power, y'all, pulling guard tackle and damn.
Speaker 2 (51:23):
Little Loneill tell you kick it out, pinning down and
then hell, come Loneill up in the hole on the linebacker.
Speaker 5 (51:30):
Now you.
Speaker 4 (51:33):
Gonna clear it out every time?
Speaker 2 (51:35):
Hey, them old school them, old school fullbacks like Sam
Gash I played with. I played with Gasher and Loneill.
They come with bad intentions head first, that roll it off.
Speaker 6 (51:49):
He low used to say, Hey, before the player, you say, hey, daddy,
get on my hip and don't do it.
Speaker 5 (51:54):
Let's go. That's what.
Speaker 2 (51:56):
Hey this get a O'Neill man a give old Neil
like one carre of game on thirty one.
Speaker 5 (52:03):
You good, yeah, yeah, you're good good.
Speaker 1 (52:07):
He bought hey, he bought it. He bought in.
Speaker 5 (52:10):
LT.
Speaker 1 (52:10):
Man, you look like you don't You done lost some weight?
Damn you do the trim down.
Speaker 5 (52:15):
Oh yo, man, I'm on this innemen fast and no. Yeah, man,
I get my workouts every day. Man, I feel good. Man,
you gotta I'm playing.
Speaker 1 (52:28):
Yeah, LT, you might be on the two hundred, LT.
Speaker 5 (52:33):
What about I'm about two ten. I'm about two ten.
Speaker 4 (52:36):
You need to come home at your boy. You know
I'm a nutritionist right now, I'm a nutritionist.
Speaker 5 (52:41):
What that died like?
Speaker 4 (52:42):
You know the same thing I hate when I played.
Speaker 1 (52:49):
Many don't hey, LT.
Speaker 3 (52:54):
Don't you know eleven NFL teams already hired me to
help with that nutrition and so the players stopped getting hurt.
No more, none of that soft tissue injury, no non contact,
none of that.
Speaker 4 (53:06):
None of that's happening.
Speaker 5 (53:07):
Now you charge you too much, I'll chow. You know
I'm on a budget now.
Speaker 4 (53:12):
Hey, hey, LT, I charged twenty dollars a week. That
ain't nothing.
Speaker 1 (53:19):
That's still too much.
Speaker 5 (53:20):
I'll mess with you ten dollars, hey, lt.
Speaker 1 (53:27):
So when what time do you use your first meal?
Speaker 5 (53:31):
About one o'clock?
Speaker 1 (53:33):
So you you get all your meals in between what
one and seven? One and eight?
Speaker 5 (53:37):
One in eight?
Speaker 4 (53:39):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (53:40):
One a man?
Speaker 1 (53:40):
So you going about fourteen to sixteen hours faster?
Speaker 5 (53:44):
Yep, yep, I do.
Speaker 2 (53:46):
So when when do you work out? You work out
in the morning, so you're working out on the emby stomach.
Speaker 5 (53:51):
So you doing the stomach? I am yeah, okay, I
am man. So I get I usually work out about
nine to ten o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 6 (53:59):
I get up early, get the kids off the school,
you know, and then uh no, I see, I will modify.
Speaker 5 (54:07):
With coffee, so I'll have coffee in the morning by
ten ounces.
Speaker 1 (54:12):
That's it, damn. Do you know how much ten ounces is?
Speaker 5 (54:17):
Yeah? Yeah, yeah, by tens.
Speaker 2 (54:20):
That's a that's a can of coca can of Coke's
twelve ounces and you've got to few of the day.
Speaker 1 (54:25):
But yeah, I got nothing on your stomach.
Speaker 5 (54:28):
Yeah yeah, I love that.
Speaker 6 (54:31):
Then and then I'll get my work out by that time.
By that time, you know, it's it's it's around twelve o'clock.
And once I order food to cook food, it's one.
Speaker 5 (54:41):
It's one o'clock.
Speaker 1 (54:42):
So yeah, see you go ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 4 (54:45):
O't yo, I'm gonna say you smoke cigars?
Speaker 5 (54:48):
Yeah, absolutely, yes, sir. I got a cigar lounge in
my house. Oh yo, what yes, I got a cigar lons.
Speaker 3 (54:56):
What are you rich?
Speaker 4 (55:01):
I gotta I gotta leave home to go to the
cigar bar. He got one in the house.
Speaker 1 (55:06):
Yeah, and Joe, both of them got properties. Now my
brother goes, he go on the back. He go on
the back porch. Ain't no lound th out. You're going
to go to the back porch and flow it out?
Speaker 5 (55:19):
Hey, l T.
Speaker 2 (55:20):
People always ask uh me. It was me and you
and Time and Carissa and uh we had picked somebody
and I had picked them to win. And Time told
me I didn't do that, and you said he did
he picked them, I said Time, I swept for gard
into white men.
Speaker 1 (55:35):
I picked him and y'all, Oh, but they don't really know.
Speaker 5 (55:44):
L T.
Speaker 2 (55:45):
The conversations that we had watching the games, me and
you in Time. I'm glad because this is what kind
of what my mind is, what I envisioned with nightcap
to B was kind of you know, we yeah, we
talked about games, but we talked about a lot of
other things. Man, oh, Joe, I was that was some
of my best word LT said, Man told me I
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need to be a comedian.
Speaker 1 (56:09):
Say, I don't know why you played Fall. You need
to be a damn comedian for real.
Speaker 5 (56:13):
Dog This man said, two white men like why got
two white.
Speaker 3 (56:16):
Men like that?
Speaker 1 (56:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (56:20):
Back then, you know, back in the day, you weren't
living for them now because it would held the paper
you liing for them. But man, that that was that
was some fun times, man time, and I was talking
about that. Man, that was some great time.
Speaker 1 (56:32):
LT. Thanks for joining us, man.
Speaker 2 (56:33):
Congratulations on the Frogs going down to Chapel Hill forty
eight fourteen over the tar Heels come back and join
the later this season.
Speaker 5 (56:40):
LT definitely brother appreciated.
Speaker 1 (56:45):
Bro.
Speaker 5 (56:45):
Have a go with no doubt, yep.
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