Nightcap Hour 1: Unc, Ocho & Johnny react to Miami BLASTING Florida + is it time to FIRE Billy Napier?!

Shannon Sharpe, Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson and Johnny Manziel react to a full slate of college football, Miami blows out Florida, Oklahoma beats Auburn and a UAB player stomps on the Tennessee’s kicker’s foot in frustration during a loss and much more!

02:30 - Miami beats Florida
19:25 - Oklahoma beats Auburn
28:25 - UAB player stomps on Tennessee’s kicker’s foot
40:00 - Belichick disastrous at UNC
49:05 - Clemson looses again
58:25 - Indiana destroyed Illinois

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Hurricanes beat the Florida Gators twenty.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
Six to seven. Is it time question of Johnny?

Speaker 1 (02:06):
Look o jo you talk about this all the time
Florida used to be a place. I mean, you look,
you get the Tim Tebow's, and you get the Percy Harvin's,
and you get the Joe Haynes, and you get the
Pouncy Brothers, and you get all those first round draft picks.
They still get a couple, but they don't have the
level of talent. That doesn't mean they don't have the
level of expectations. That doesn't change once you become a success.

(02:30):
The fans expect you to have that level of success
for perpetuity because that's all they remember. And right now,
it's really tough on Billy Napier. Does he survive the
entire season or is it time for them to move
in a different direction. Johnny, you take it, Johnny, you
take it first man.

Speaker 4 (02:49):
Yeah, this is a tough look for the Florida Gators program.
For them, I think everybody in Gainesville is used to
that program being at the top elite level. You're used
to what you've seen in the past, what they have
going right now, what the preseason expectations were for this team.
They don't get tossed around by in state schools like
this ever, this consistently in the past, So for them, struggling.

(03:13):
A change needs to happen at Florida. I think everybody
from one end of the spectrum to the other at
the University of Florida is uttering for that. I know
my boys behind the scenes are just kind of shaking
their head in disbelief. I mean, DJ Lagway was supposed
to be their guy. This is a guy that you're
looking at the top of the SEC quarterback rankings at
the beginning of the season. He's up there tonight twelve

(03:37):
to twenty three for sixty one yards. That's supposed to
be an opening drive. You exactly right, that's supposed to be.
That's supposed to be what you script the walk to it.
First fifteen is supposed to be sixty one yards. To
play quarters of football and get sixty one yards of
passing the offense, you ain't going to be doing a

(03:59):
lot with that. That's complete and total and utter dysfunction
from top to bottom on the offensive side of the football.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
When we're putting this in perspective about Joe Goon, Cookman's
quarterback Timmy McClain had more passing yards eighty six against
Miami and a loss on fewer past attempts.

Speaker 5 (04:15):
Yeah, hey, listen, Rediale, Anthony ain't walking through that door.
I kill your ain't walking through that door. Neither is
Fred Taylor. Tim Tebow has already graduated.

Speaker 2 (04:26):
EMMT Smith's call, Well, anybody.

Speaker 6 (04:28):
Else listen all the way down.

Speaker 5 (04:30):
I think, yeah, I think things need to change. Even
if you do change the head coach, uncle, still could
be the same thing. If you don't have the players,
if you don't have the money, you gotta you you,
you gotta pay, you gotta pay the win now. Yeah,
that's just that's the landscape of NFL college football right
now is to be able to bring recruits in those
that can that can contribute and.

Speaker 6 (04:51):
Play right now.

Speaker 5 (04:54):
And then until you do that, until you have boosters
and you have support behind the scenes to be able
to pay some of the player to attract them to
come to your school, it will never be like the
Florida of old, back in the nineties, back in the eighties,
back in the early two thousands, where you can compete
with the Miamis, with the other teams in.

Speaker 2 (05:11):
The Obama's the Ohio States.

Speaker 5 (05:14):
That's long going on. That's long going get you got
to play the win now.

Speaker 1 (05:18):
It's cuking even more Johnny, because you got to go
into the portal. You got to entice some of these
kids that's in the portal that's thinking about it, saying,
you know what, I got a little extra. Hey, Okay,
I'm making a million here, I'm making five hundred thousand
a year. I wonder if I can go to another school.
Teams are looking more so now at portal than they
are high school seniors, because they want someone that already

(05:39):
knows what it's like to be in college. They already
have steady habits, they've already gone through the process of
being on a college campus, of playing college football. So
that's kind of the direction if you look at it. Everybody.
The teams are starting to try to move in. Hopefully
they can entice someone to leave in Alabama and come
to their school, leaving Ohio State and come to their school,
leave a Michigan or Texas, say and m or whatever.

(06:00):
How a program is offer them more money to get
them to go there.

Speaker 6 (06:05):
Okay, we go.

Speaker 5 (06:06):
I'm going to say entice somehow because it listens.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
It always money.

Speaker 6 (06:09):
Oh okay, that's and five.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
And ten million dollars in nil or whatever they want
to call it is not enough Johnny, you got to
have a pool fifteen twenty twenty five, thirty million dollars
because one player on your roster is going to command
probably a four million dollar salary.

Speaker 5 (06:26):
He got to be that boy command for million dollars.
You got to be a difference maker. You got to
be a difference maker to be able to command that
kind of money. You think you look at the landscape
of college football right now, and the players that command
for me in the better e that boy Jeremiah Smith.

Speaker 2 (06:42):
That's that boy man.

Speaker 5 (06:44):
Listen, if it was last year, Jeremih Smith was top
five as the god damn freshman he was coming out
in the draft. Yep, he can command that kind of money.
So players that command that kind of money, you've got
to be special and be able to change your program,
the trajectory of a program right away.

Speaker 6 (06:58):
Right now.

Speaker 5 (06:59):
It ain't that many of them. I'm just gonna be honest.
I'm be honest with you.

Speaker 6 (07:02):
It ain't that many of them right not right now,
not like that.

Speaker 1 (07:05):
I think you gotta recruit John Let me tell me
what you think. Look, Billy Napier, I think he's a
really good coach because he was on that staff with
Nick Saban. Then they had Dan Lanning, and they had
Kirby Smart, and they had a Pary Fuel and they
had all Mario Crystal Bull. They had the coach at
old Miss Lane Kiffin. That's said if you go back

(07:26):
and look at that staff and what they had. If
I'm not mistaken, Dan Landy was a grades sister, Kirby
Smart was the head coach, and they had you know,
they had all these guys that are that are coaches
now in the end of a major college program.

Speaker 2 (07:40):
Billy Napier, if I'm not mistaken, was the receiver coach.

Speaker 1 (07:43):
But you got to be able to recruit and can
they can they entice Urban to come back. Urban left
because they had heard palpitations. And then he went to
Ohio State and they got better. They got good medical
staff at Ohio State and a little bit more money,
and they had better talent.

Speaker 4 (08:00):
I'd back up the brinks truck if I was Florida
to get Urban Meyer back. I'd do anything in the
world to get that man back there and get something.

Speaker 3 (08:07):
The good news for Florida with the way.

Speaker 4 (08:09):
The college football landscape is right now, though, is if
a couple of these guys get together and say is
enough is enough, We're tired of this. You can go
get thirty forty million dollars in a pot in a
Gainsville alumni. You can go to a collective and get
enough money and be like, listen, we're going to hit
the transfer portal really hard this offseason, and then twelve
months your roster and everything can look completely different as

(08:30):
you go into fall camp a year from now.

Speaker 3 (08:32):
So that's the one thing that Florida has.

Speaker 4 (08:34):
They have the pedigree, they have the history, they are
in a great conference. They're just not good right now.
You look at their schedule this year. What they've done
ten points the first week, they score sixteen points, the
next that's twenty six points. Then they put fifty five
against Long Island, which honestly not and then seven tonight.

(08:54):
So against three good real schools, that's twenty.

Speaker 3 (08:59):
Eight and seven. What is that? Thirty five thirty five?

Speaker 4 (09:02):
Yes, there's thirty five points and twelve quarters of football.

Speaker 3 (09:08):
What are we talking about here? That ain't enough to
be nobody. There's high schools out there that could probably
come up and whop up on them.

Speaker 4 (09:14):
Right.

Speaker 1 (09:14):
But here's the thing that you're talking about, Johnny. You say,
there's enough money to get in the U to put
together to UH to create a pot at a portal.
You're gonna probably have to buy billion Nap're out of
that contract. That's gonna talk. That's gonna cost you twenty
thirty Milli're right there.

Speaker 3 (09:28):
Take the A and M path Man, stroke that check
and get it.

Speaker 1 (09:33):
Florida ain't got that money like Texas say it Texas,
and they'm got deep pockets. I mean they hated to
go all the way to the pockets so deep they
go all the way.

Speaker 5 (09:40):
To the rid.

Speaker 4 (09:42):
My advice to m go play that lottery with the
Alabama lady.

Speaker 3 (09:45):
We talked about a couple of weeks ago.

Speaker 5 (09:47):
Hey heyn and I think it all comes down to
especially if you get a coach like Urban Meyer, if
you get them, if you get them to come back
for whatever reason, if it does happen, I think it's
possible to get the money. And with Urban Urban Maya
coming back, I think players will probably gravitate and want
to come to Florida for sure. Price is right, if
the money's right, and they allow him to do things

(10:10):
his way and which he which he did when he
was there and he was winning at that time. He
could turn that program around pretty fast, especially especially in
the off season with the transfer potal.

Speaker 6 (10:20):
He can do. He can do that.

Speaker 1 (10:22):
It's harder now to Oho. They don't let you. They
don't let that. After the student athletes get away. They
got this thing called the internet, they got this thing
called the camera phone, they got this thing. So so
the things that that you know, he got away with
at Florida and some of the stuff that he got
away with at Ohio State, I'm not so sure now
you're going to be able to get away with said things,

(10:44):
And so they keep her closer eye on it.

Speaker 2 (10:46):
Now.

Speaker 1 (10:47):
Do I believe if you were to come back the
as Johnny mentioned, the alumni association wouldn't be willing to
get together to pay this man eleven twelve million dollars
what it would take to get a coach of that
caliber back in the folds.

Speaker 2 (10:59):
Absolutely, I believe they would.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
And they say, you know what if that means we
got to spend twenty five thirty million to do a
billion napier out and another seventy million dollars over six
years to get Urban back in. Yeah, and plus another
x amount of dollars to put in to try to
get these top guys to come here.

Speaker 2 (11:16):
Okay, it is what it is, but we want to win.

Speaker 3 (11:18):
It comes down to do you want to have a
good college football program or it's.

Speaker 2 (11:21):
Really that simple that you're going to spend it and.

Speaker 4 (11:24):
Figure out a way to make it in the back
end and figure it out over time. You want to
you want to be good, You want to compete now.
You want to look up in five years and say, Okay,
we can get into the playoffs, or you still want
to be doing this because whatever this is right now for.

Speaker 3 (11:36):
Florida, it is and.

Speaker 2 (11:40):
You're the You're.

Speaker 4 (11:41):
The little dog in the state right now. Now that's
tough for them to swallow, for them to have to
sit there and look at because the product that they're
putting on the field is you don't want to kick
people when they're down right, But you have to call
a spade a spade and call it what it is
that this team, this program, there ain't nothing special about it.
You let us come in and walk over you and
then turn around another end. State rivals smacked seven points,

(12:05):
not even competitive.

Speaker 5 (12:06):
Hey, and Johnny, Y'll comes down to those that actually
have the money to be able to pull this off.

Speaker 6 (12:11):
This investment is long term anyway. Yes, it's not about
right now.

Speaker 5 (12:15):
Are you willing to invest the money to see your
program turn around? It's not gonna be an overnight It's
not gonna be an overnight success. It takes long term
because the people that have this kind of money are
all about business. They understand how business works. You pour
the money in now and you wait until things gradually
improve year after your Especially if you get a coach
like Urban Maya back, things are gonna turn around pretty fast.

Speaker 2 (12:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (12:37):
The question is that Urban at his age, he's been
away from the game for a while. He has a
nice cush job at Fox. He gets to talk about
football a couple times a week, maybe go interview a
coach here and there, and he doesn't have to What
about Jimbo Fisher?

Speaker 2 (12:51):
Okay, yeah, no, I.

Speaker 1 (12:52):
Say hey, Jimbo, say hey, I got a pocket full
of money I can use. Hey my left parking food.
Ain't got nothing to right. Let me get this right
before you know what? Now that you mentioned that, I
like that. I like that. Hold on, I got to it.
Anywhere knows the state of Florida really, Hey, he was

(13:15):
the head coaching at Florida state.

Speaker 6 (13:17):
Hold on, I got I got one, I got one. Listen.

Speaker 5 (13:19):
I'm just throwing this out there, just just possibily, since
were throwing names in the hat, what about another another
Floridian that knows Florida very well in prior coming on
back down to Gainesville. Obviously, I know it's not Tallahassee,
but yeah, hey, I'm just.

Speaker 1 (13:33):
Saying, yeah, since we put names in the hat, that's
not a bad option.

Speaker 4 (13:37):
Yeah, that would make some numbers that would move the
needle prime prime being in the SEC and in Florida,
that would.

Speaker 3 (13:45):
Be absolutely Yeah.

Speaker 4 (13:47):
He definitely Colorado will be holding on for dear life
to try and keep him. But it all comes down
to the brass and who's running the show up Florida
and what they want to go after. But this hiring,
what they've done with this staff, this is definitely not working.
I think They're original question to sum up the whole
thing is, you know, this Florida team and this Florida
program is not competitive in the SEC onsoever, and that's

(14:08):
that's just not acceptable for a programming.

Speaker 1 (14:10):
That count and the SEC is getting better. It just
is the days of I mean, you got Oklahoma came
there Texas came in there. Georgia is good. Hell, look
at Vanderbilt. Vanderbilt Hell looking good. Vanderbilt might put foots
in Florida this year. So they're gonna have to do something.

(14:30):
And guess what in two weeks. Miami and Florida State.
The Kynes are off next week, while the Knowles will
have to beat Virginia. If that happened, we'll get a
top ten Cans and Knowles.

Speaker 5 (14:41):
Hey, that game a Johnny. That game.

Speaker 6 (14:44):
Now.

Speaker 5 (14:44):
The way Florida State playing this year, the way the
Miami Hurricane playing this year, it brings that that old
excitement of the early two thousand when they would meet
up on Yeah, we're that same excitement. Defensively officially, both
of them playing very very well. Hell god damn, Florida
State put up sixty six day. Now, I understand who
do you plan. It's nothing to hoop and holler about,
but I understand who you're plan. But obviously the first

(15:05):
three opponent, first two opponents, man, they did a number
on them as well.

Speaker 3 (15:09):
They did.

Speaker 2 (15:09):
They put they put put us in Alabama.

Speaker 4 (15:12):
Yeah, listen, their offense, their offense is rolling. You look
at it every week. Look from here on out. I'm
putting some money on Florida State every week over, on
points over, on whatever you want to do. But they
look good. You're supposed to go out and do that
versus teams that are inferior. Yeah, inferior, for sure, you're
supposed to. But the fact that you can go out
and do it, your offense is clicking, You're rolling, You're

(15:33):
not having any three and outs, any laps in judgment,
that type of stuff. When you see that week in
and week out, you're like, Okay, these guys are dial
these guys are clicking. So when you do get to
a matchup like that, it's going to be one for fireworks.
The bad news for Florida as well, just to add
on a little bit of salts on their whole grave
play Texas and they play my Aggi's Mississippi State. Okay,

(15:58):
then they got Georgia, tacky old mess, Tennessee, Florida State,
and that will be the season for the Florida Gators.
So I don't know if you hear about that list
those teams, what their schedule looks like, but it's really
really looking like abe.

Speaker 3 (16:15):
A three or four win team for Florida this year.

Speaker 1 (16:17):
I definitely don't see how Billy Napier survives that. I don't.

Speaker 4 (16:22):
I don't see how they I mean, if by some
miracle they won six just not enough.

Speaker 3 (16:27):
It's still not enough.

Speaker 2 (16:28):
It's not enough.

Speaker 5 (16:29):
Based on the standard and which Florida holds themselves of,
including alumni, the academic, my academic, the sports program in general,
You're not gonna be able to survive.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
He's not.

Speaker 5 (16:39):
Matter of fact, the Dolphins in Florida in the same
boat for sure. The Dolphins at the Gators is basically
in the same boat. I think, fam you could be
Florida right now.

Speaker 1 (16:48):
I think the biggest thing Ocho and Johnny when you
look at it, you're in the SCC. Unless you're Kentucky.
You're a football school. He's really that simple. Yeah, you
and football school, and you want to compete because the
one thing that Florida doesn't want to become is what
Vanderbilt used to be in somethingime. Occasionally they still are
everybody's homecoming. You open the season and then you see

(17:11):
and and and they got a homecoming Queen. That ain't good,
you know what I'm saying. The first the first game
of the season, you somebody's homecoming bro, They're like, damn.
But if you go back, if you look at Florida,
they just they don't have. Florida used to have two
or three guys going in the first round.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
They don't. They don't get but I don't.

Speaker 1 (17:32):
Maybe maybe you know when you spread it out, Jeremiah
Smith is going to Florida Ohio State. And you know
a lot of these guys from the state of Florida,
they go other places, or they don't go to Florida.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
They go to Florida State, or they go.

Speaker 1 (17:45):
To Miami, or they go to Alabama, they go to
Ohio State, they go to Georgia, they go to they
go they go every place except Gainesville. And and you
got the you got to keep a few. I ain't
saying you you're not to get them all, because even
when Florida was at his best, they didn't get them all.
But you got to get some. And they're not getting

(18:06):
nearly enough or nearly enough of the good ones in
order to make a difference in the program, or enough
of that guy that's in the portal. But something's got
to change. And normally you can't get rid of all
the football players. The first thing you change is the
coaching staff, and I don't advocate anybody losing the job,
but I just don't see how Billy Napier keeps this job.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
Johnny.

Speaker 3 (18:27):
Yeah, No, it's not the fit.

Speaker 4 (18:29):
Like you have to have some semblance that things moving
forward are gonna be okay, that we're gonna get this
ship righted, and that they have given them some time
and this even last year going back like.

Speaker 3 (18:40):
It hasn't been great.

Speaker 4 (18:41):
So at some point in time, you know, these decisions
behind the scenes are probably already they're being talked about
there being they know it's a band aid they don't
want to rip off. But at the end of the day,
sometimes waiting longer just makes it worse.

Speaker 1 (18:55):
Oklahoma beats Auburn twenty four to seventeen. The Sooner's racked
up a school record ten sacks against former Ou quarterback
Jackson Arnold, including multiple in the final minutes to seal
the wind. John Mattier has been throwing up the money
sign with a nickname Money Matier. When asked about the nickname,
he joked, they're a little different person than Johnny, saying

(19:15):
the difference between the first Johnny and me, Johnny, I'm
going to church in the morning, Johnny, Damn Johnny. I
know you went to church at least once or twice. Yeah, man,
you went to something called the church. Church is chicken.

Speaker 3 (19:31):
Man. I grew up in the church with like my grandparents,
my mom, my dad.

Speaker 4 (19:35):
We would uh, we would go to church every Sunday
when I was a kid growing up, go play family
scrambles on the golf course afterwards.

Speaker 2 (19:41):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (19:42):
We were definitely a house that was raised by the Lord.
So more than anything, man, Philippians for four thirteen.

Speaker 3 (19:48):
You know, I can do all things for Christ. Strickens me.
My dog enjoyed church in the morning.

Speaker 4 (19:54):
I don't take anything that he's that is that has
said as a slight. I gets he's trying to be funny.
It is what he is. Continue to keep playing well,
young fella, and all as well. Oklahoma has a good
team right now. First time beeting four and oh for
them in a while. I don't look at anything like
that to set anymore and take it as a slider
or take it any kind of way. You know, I'm

(20:15):
still able to sit here over a decade later and
be able to have some love shown towards me, still
be talked about a little bit in this college football ranks,
and I guarantee you any anybody that's playing college football
right now would love to have the experience, the career
and what I did on the field in college football.
So he is playing at a very high level right now.

(20:37):
He is a leader of a great school with a
great program. And you know, when you come into it
and beat a team like Auburn and your second year
in the SEC against the quarterback that you've known that's
been in your room, you know this is a game
that definitely meant something to them. So for them to
come out and be in this position, you know, for OU,
it comes down to what it comes down to every

(20:58):
single year, and that's that game that happens in Dallas,
that's split down the middle in the Red River, and
you never know what's gonna happen or what it's gonna be.
We don't know what Texas really is. But you know,
for now, OU looks pretty good and they look like
they have a competitive team that's gonna fight through this
SEC and has a chance of going to the playoff
for sure.

Speaker 1 (21:15):
Johnny, do you feel like every time there's a white
quarterback in college that the little athletic and can run
just to tan they compared to you.

Speaker 3 (21:24):
Probably.

Speaker 4 (21:24):
I mean people people always see people always see flashes
and shades of me a little bit out there. The
kid from Arizona State definitely moves around like me a
little bit. I think he's playing as a high level
as anybody is in college football right now. The one
thing I was talking to guys about today is man
the quarterback play as a whole in college football. I'm

(21:46):
missing the mid two thousand and ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, sixteen,
seventeen years. Where's the boys that multiple guys went out
and played like Deshaun Watson or RG three, or me
or Baker or whoever Marriota, so many guys at so
many different schools that were out there really doing people dirty.

(22:07):
And I turned the TV on on this Saturday, especially today.

Speaker 3 (22:11):
I'm bagging and hoping and feeding to see.

Speaker 4 (22:14):
Any quarterback out there doing something dirty, playing high level,
high caliber football, even from the guys that we expected from,
right the guys who we talk about all offseason that
are at the top of the rankings of everything.

Speaker 1 (22:28):
I'm not.

Speaker 3 (22:29):
You don't see it from DJ Lagway.

Speaker 4 (22:31):
I see sellers at South Carolina today on a third
and long miss, a wide open crosser that's just like
these are those you have to make. The other guys
are making right now. My favorite quarterbacks to watch is
my guy at Baylor, Sam Levitt from Arizona State. A
couple of guys sprinkled here and there that are like
making some plays. Marcel Reeve is really making it shake.

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He's throwing the ball really well and running it.

Speaker 2 (22:55):
Other than that, you expect the clue to play well
at Clemson, and.

Speaker 3 (22:59):
He's not playing well. Like March. Arch isn't playing well.

Speaker 4 (23:02):
He can hop flex on Sam Houston all he wants
a corny move.

Speaker 2 (23:06):
By the way, But yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what I
don't know.

Speaker 1 (23:10):
I don't know where he got I'm sure not only
did his dad called him, his grandfather called it, and
both of his uncles called him. Say, what the hell
are you doing? You stand it over a guy from
sam Houston State. You'll suppose that to help him up.
You ain't got no business plans down Houston State.

Speaker 4 (23:26):
I did have a play versus Sam Houston State at
home where I trucked somebody in the end zone and
I got up and I kind of stepped over him.
A little bit, but I didn't flex on him. I
didn't get in his face. I just was a little.

Speaker 3 (23:38):
Hype after it.

Speaker 4 (23:38):
So I'm sure some people are gonna come at me
after that. But this for what Texas is right now
and the way that he's been playing, it should be
suit and tie buttoned up.

Speaker 3 (23:47):
I got to learn how to throw a shallow frod.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
Hey.

Speaker 5 (23:50):
The funny thing about it too, and Johnny, you think
about all the quarterbacks, all the quarterbacks that have been
hyped up, you know in the off season, going into
the going into the collar season, nothing really pops out
on film most of the time, especially.

Speaker 2 (24:02):
Back in the day.

Speaker 5 (24:03):
Obviously when Johnny was playing, there was always somebody that
gave you a little excitement. You couldn't wait to watch
when that individual will play, and they there just hadn't
been that I to me, honestly, I was kind of
fooled by the media, by the analysts, by the pundits
because I thought arch Manning was really the second coming

(24:23):
to christ because that's all, he couldn't be.

Speaker 1 (24:24):
The seventh got drafted himselfth round on Joe. He couldn't
beat him out. Come on that.

Speaker 5 (24:29):
Listen, listen you heard what you just said guy got
drafted in the seventh round and couldn't beat him out.
But again, the way they talk about somebody, that's all
I have to go off of the small sample size
I saw when he came in when it was hurt.

Speaker 2 (24:42):
I can't go off of that.

Speaker 5 (24:43):
I'm basing everything off of these so called experts say.
And they had me thinking like, Okay, I'm locked in
on the first week of Texas game and I'm looking like,
well this game, well, maybe I'm like right.

Speaker 4 (24:56):
Now, right now, the guys you want to flip the
TV on, like, damn, maybe I'll watch this guy to
play quarterback. Castellanos at Florida State is a guy who
can gets you up, yeah a little bit. Baylor in
their offense is slinging the ball around the yard a
little bit. Sam Levitt at Arizona State definitely has a
little bit of something to him where he's making some
stuff plays and extending some plays. Marcel, I think is

(25:18):
a guy who's developed passing the ball. Where A and
M's offense with their receivers and what they have right
now are really really exciting.

Speaker 3 (25:24):
And that's not me even being a homer. That's just
straight facts. To what wever did.

Speaker 4 (25:28):
In that game and what they're doing offensively, and Colin
Klein has them doing. I think that's an exciting offense
to watch. But as you go around the whole country,
there is nothing that really really jumps off the page
where you're like, damn, that guy right there.

Speaker 3 (25:42):
I got to turn the TV on Saturday for that.

Speaker 1 (25:44):
I'm not so sure people even know who Jon Tier
was and now he's the favorite for the Heisman. The
guy came in, he was an unknown and I'm not
saying unknowns.

Speaker 2 (25:52):
We've saw that.

Speaker 1 (25:53):
We've seen Jaydon Daniels come out of nowhere. We've seen
Joe Burrow come out of nowhere. Hel Johnny, you came
out of nowhere. But I'm like, damn. At least some
of the guys that were favored or playing well, but
other guys just played better. All the guys that were
supposed to be at the top, they playing like band Starfry.

Speaker 2 (26:13):
I'm like, what the hell is?

Speaker 1 (26:14):
And like for me, when I watched when I watched
Arts last year and when Oors.

Speaker 2 (26:19):
Was out, you look who he played. Not like bro.

Speaker 1 (26:21):
I can't get excited about San Jose State. I can't
get excited when you're playing in fear of your teams.
If you are what you said you are, I give
you prime example. Look at a treble Lawrence. He came
in and he beat the start out in the previous year.
That's what a number one overall pick is supposed to do.
That's how you're supposed to look. You don't supposed to

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keep a guy goes in the seventh round. Keep you
on the bitch for two years? Oh Joe, how can
I say? How can I say? Man, I'm him? And
I gotta wait too. I gotta wait a year. I
gotta wait two years before I get on the field.
Ain't no way, huh. I can see now if you
wait behind Peyton Manning, that's one thing. You wait behind

(27:04):
Cam Newton or Andrew Luck.

Speaker 2 (27:06):
I get it.

Speaker 1 (27:07):
But the guy gotta be drafted high. You said, you
said behind the guy that got drafted. I think he
got drafted himself with the round he was a low
round draft pick. Put it like this, he didn't go
in the first three rounds.

Speaker 3 (27:18):
So I'm like, can I ask a question? What uh?

Speaker 4 (27:21):
With Texas fans and sark would they take quinn Ewers back?

Speaker 3 (27:26):
Right?

Speaker 2 (27:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (27:29):
Crazy?

Speaker 2 (27:30):
And all we heard last year put Archie in.

Speaker 3 (27:35):
Crazy. Sometimes you have it good and you don't even
know it.

Speaker 4 (27:39):
And I know right now that Texas offense with ken
yours behind the behind the wheel.

Speaker 1 (27:44):
The most popular guy on the football team is the
backup quarterback until he had to get his ass in
and play, and then he become unpopular just like the starter.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
Yeh uin be player stomp What happened?

Speaker 1 (28:01):
This stopped on the Tennessee kickers foot after that, yeah,
after Nanny field goal to have Tennessee go up twenty
to nothing, and you ain't be safety Sarah Bryant stopped
on the kicker's foot, Max Gibbles foot Brad was called
for unsports like conduct.

Speaker 5 (28:19):
Really, guys, he stepped on his kicking foot.

Speaker 2 (28:22):
Yeah, oh Joe whoy.

Speaker 4 (28:26):
Oho hit him a quick run by stop on the
top of the foot and almost like a daptop.

Speaker 3 (28:31):
But he just.

Speaker 6 (28:33):
I ain't see that.

Speaker 2 (28:34):
He gottah, you got you gotta pull that up. You
gotta watch that. I'm surprised.

Speaker 1 (28:38):
Look, I'm trying to think if that would have happened
in an NFL game, would it They'll probably throw an
NFL player out if you did.

Speaker 5 (28:47):
That, They just throw it there flagging.

Speaker 2 (28:49):
Just that's Joe an intentional act like that.

Speaker 6 (28:53):
Yeah, you you gotta do it. He didn't, he didn't.

Speaker 5 (28:55):
He didn't try to be inconspicuous with it, like no, no.

Speaker 1 (28:58):
No, he wouldn't. He would he was trying to hide
it at all. O yo, I mean he got he
got him good too.

Speaker 5 (29:06):
If they didn't in college, they definite would have thrown
them out in the game.

Speaker 1 (29:08):
But you got I think the figure of the probably,
they're gonna probably I think they're gonna suspend him for
the first half or something. Ain't no way they're gonna
let that slide on you. Huh oh so about that?
But uh yeah, oh that that was I mean, that
was you. He can't even say, well, I was trying
to get up off the ground. It was like you

(29:29):
remember the olden Dominkan sue how he was stepping on people.

Speaker 2 (29:33):
That was more. It was more.

Speaker 1 (29:35):
At least Domakan Sue would say, I was trying to
get up and I lost my balance. He can't say
nothing because he could have just kept running off the field.

Speaker 2 (29:42):
He took off. He stopped. Oh yeah, let me get
this while man, it did it took off, forgive it
took it took off forged. That's funny, Johnny.

Speaker 1 (29:54):
You ever have you ever seen something like that in
the game. You ever experienced something like that high school college.

Speaker 4 (29:58):
I just looked I just looked up. I just looked
up the clip right now. You know, he's the play ends.
He's got to be getting ready to job on the sideline.
He takes a peek and sees it. He's like, you
know what, yeah, pull it up on, Joe. You gotta
see it. Then you say, okay, I'm gonna stop on
this ship real quick.

Speaker 2 (30:12):
Fucking if you see it ooe if you when you
see it, you go see.

Speaker 1 (30:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (30:16):
They might they might have thrown him out the game.

Speaker 6 (30:19):
I'm looking I'm looking it up right now.

Speaker 2 (30:21):
Man, I couldn't. I could.

Speaker 1 (30:22):
I'm like, I was wondering why they showed why they
showed him, Like, okay, the guy made the kick, so
why they showed it? And then I realized why they
were short it. It was a It was a definitely
an agregious act. I'm like, bro, what are you doing?

Speaker 2 (30:40):
Well?

Speaker 4 (30:40):
He kind of comes by and like slaps on the
slaps on the long the holder a little bit and
then just runs right by him and does a top
of the footstorm.

Speaker 3 (30:48):
That's some w W ship right there. You found it crazy,
That's that's a new one.

Speaker 4 (30:55):
We're we're seeing some things in college football this year
that are one on one's first time forever thing.

Speaker 6 (31:00):
I found it Number one, Number one stepped on all.

Speaker 1 (31:04):
Yeah, I'm surprised they didn't throw him out the game.

Speaker 6 (31:08):
And the referee, the referee standing right there.

Speaker 1 (31:10):
Too, Yes, because I mean, if you target it, I
mean targeting, they throw you out of the game.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
So what do you think he was trying to do?

Speaker 1 (31:16):
He stepped on the man's kicking foot, and then the
guy sold it because the guy started hopping around like
he had stepped on a nail.

Speaker 4 (31:28):
You just trying to give a team a little Yeah, yeah,
I mean right on the sideline probably like yeah, we
see you, bro, we see you.

Speaker 1 (31:34):
I get Look, I've seen some egregious acts, but I
don't know. Normally college they try to try to sneak it.
You know, will work. You know, in a pile. Anything
goes in a pile. The guys will do a whole
lot of stuff in the pile, but not something so
wide up.

Speaker 2 (31:48):
But like you said, oh Joe, the referee is stad
it right, there.

Speaker 6 (31:53):
Right there, I've never seen I've never seen that before.
That's that's for me. That's the first, that's the first agree.

Speaker 1 (31:58):
And I was like, bro, what do you what do
we Joenny? What's going on with this new erab Now?
I mean this, this new wave of players.

Speaker 4 (32:06):
Young boys out here whiling they raised a little different
than the than the old heads back in the day,
for sure, I don't they don't know how to act.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
Man. I could have.

Speaker 1 (32:14):
Man, I couldn't even I couldn't even fathom doing something
like that in a growing up when I grew up,
how coaches were man, Coaches grab you by your help.

Speaker 3 (32:24):
People are getting their ass wells enough. Maybe people aren't
aren't getting the ass out and not to go through punt.

Speaker 4 (32:29):
But anything like that would have happened from a middle school,
high school level. I'd have been running, running, rolling up
down till I puked.

Speaker 3 (32:39):
I'd have been getting my ass.

Speaker 2 (32:42):
Kid like this, You like that?

Speaker 3 (32:44):
You really want to act like that, I'm gonna show you.

Speaker 4 (32:46):
I'm gonna show you on this field right here all
day for hours, and you're not gonna act like that.
You're gonna treat people the right way. You're gonna respect
the game. It's like that just don't have that. And
it starts from a young level of football, right, It
starts from kids are playing all earlier, so you're getting
coached and people are growing up and being raised in
the game the wrong way from a very early age.

(33:07):
You see it all the time with these shows they
have now about you know, younger kids playing football, the
little tight show and.

Speaker 3 (33:12):
Stuff that you see.

Speaker 4 (33:13):
It's it's crazy, you know, the purity and respect and
level of the game and playing it the right way
is definitely not there from a whole Are there are
there guys out there that is this speaking for a
whole collective when things like this happened? Of course not,
but stuff like this is happening more often. You look
at it and you just kind of like shake your head,
Like back in the day, we didn't see stuffing.

Speaker 2 (33:36):
Yeah, I don't know if you could.

Speaker 1 (33:37):
I don't know if coaches now Johnny could grab your
face mask, you grab your body back of your shoulder,
path like, so what the hell are you doing? Yeah,
hit you upside your head and you go home and
tell your grandparents and tell your parents.

Speaker 2 (33:50):
It's like, well, what the first thing out of you
about what.

Speaker 1 (33:53):
Did you do Yeah. Yeah, they're like they already know.
For the coach to do that, you had to it
done something. But you're right, I mean the days now, Uh,
you afraid the kid the curate is gonna transfer, the
kid is gonna leave school. Uh, the kids parents gonna
come up there because the thing if they if they
behave like this at home, they damn sure gonna behave

(34:14):
like this at school worse. So I you know, I
remember I told my grandmother coach Graham me by my face, man,
I came home and told Grandy It's like, well, I
guess that means you're gonna quit. Like, nah, I ain't
gonna quit. I need you to go tell him don't
do that no more. Now I ain't quitting, but I
want you to tell him to make him afraid to

(34:35):
not do it anymore.

Speaker 2 (34:36):
Man.

Speaker 1 (34:37):
My Grandma's like, boy, please, you probably was doing something
you ain't had no business. Yeah, well you still could
have told him don't do it no more. But that's
the thing. Coaches now the way they and I'm great, look,
some things needed to be done done away with because
some of the stuff that you know, coaches was getting
out of hand with it now I understand there's a

(34:58):
certain level of discipline and order that you structure that
you gotta have Johnny and Ojo, you got to have
a certain level of it. But sometimes coaches they go
too far with it. And but now you know all
that you can your kid get water breaks every team.

Speaker 4 (35:14):
People programs, Okay, look at the real programs throughout the
history of the game, how they were coached, how things
were done, attention to detail, gotta have things. You have
to be hard, you have to have discipline, you have
to be tough, hard nos. Like, there's so many characteristics
of what winning football teams and programs have had and

(35:37):
coaches that have gone out and done it. And there's
a reason some teams and some coaches are the way
that they are and because they care about those things,
and there's reason that other people aren't. And that's just
what it comes down to. People think that it may
not matter, but.

Speaker 1 (35:49):
It absolutely does, because I'm not so sure how much
how different coach Saban was than coach Bryant.

Speaker 2 (35:57):
Yeah, there's a reason why. That's in this college footbroll program.

Speaker 1 (36:01):
As far as the national championship in the poll there
in nineteen thirty six, there's a reason why. That's not
an accident that a team has two statues out front
of their head coaches.

Speaker 6 (36:13):
Oh yeah, and the funny thing too unc when you
think about it.

Speaker 5 (36:16):
Johnny spoke on it earlier about today's era of kids,
especially going into college. They're wirde a little bit different.
They have money, their mentality is a little different. Will
Nick saban style of coaching, will you be able to
get kids to respond to that? Will they respond to
that now in this era? I know he's not that
far removed from the game of football, but I'm just
saying if everybody had that same coaching style, I don't

(36:38):
really think it would work.

Speaker 3 (36:40):
It's so hard.

Speaker 4 (36:41):
It's so hard, right because in this day and age,
you don't want to do something to have a kid
leave because it feels such.

Speaker 3 (36:47):
A huge yea, right.

Speaker 4 (36:48):
But at the end of the day, at the end
of the day, the way I was raised, the coaches
that I was around, it didn't matter. You were all
held to a same standard and the next guy was up.
If we're hurt because of that that person that left
or got suspended or was not on the team or whatever,
he hurt the team. So you look at it as
a whole. It is a collective, one heartbeat type of thing.

(37:09):
But at the end of the day, you're going to
continue to caddle kids and do things a certain way
and let things slide to the point of where it
hurts and leaks through and infects the.

Speaker 3 (37:18):
Whole whole betterment of the group.

Speaker 4 (37:21):
Oh, at some point in time, you have to put
your foot down and be like, listen, this is right,
this is wrong. You're going to do what you're supposed
to do, or you're not going to play in this program.
And if you can't abide by that, see you later.
I don't care what we're paying you, I don't care
how good you are. I don't care what it is.
That's just the way of how coaches were with me,
and I know how important coaching was for my life.

Speaker 3 (37:41):
For the game of football. It means everything.

Speaker 4 (37:43):
A good coach that cares and is passionate about it,
that pays attention to the details, versus one that's not
how it makes you better, what it does for you
as a whole.

Speaker 3 (37:53):
What are we talking about?

Speaker 1 (37:54):
You either coaching that condone it and then you know
when you're coming up, like bro, you trip it. Players
man cut that foolish this out. Bro, you're killing us
if you get kicked off the team. You want our
best players, maybe the best player. Come on, Bro, cut
that foolish this out, because sometimes you have to have
your teammates tell you because they can get through to
you when your coaches can't. They can get to you

(38:16):
through they can get your peers sometimes can get through
to you when parents, coaches, up whomever can't. Because you know,
Pier that gay, That's what it's said. Association brings on assimilation,
and so sometimes the piers like Bro, come on, man, man,
cut that foolish this out.

Speaker 3 (38:32):
Man.

Speaker 1 (38:32):
Coach ain't picking on you. You just keep doing dumb ish
So once you cut the dumb ish out, we're gonna
be okay. Bro, you too could, but I've had I've
been on had coming up and high and element at
junior high and pop pee weee and in high school
the guy's better than me. But you couldn't tell him nothing.

(38:54):
Oh Joe, you don't I get what. I go home,
but I used to go home. Hey tell him sharp,
I was better than you? What that better than you?

Speaker 2 (38:59):
Would? The fourth grade? What that better you? And eighth grade?

Speaker 5 (39:02):
What's fourth grade?

Speaker 2 (39:06):
Yeah? Bro, you had me, you got to come.

Speaker 6 (39:09):
Yeah, Hey listen, I told y'all, I told.

Speaker 2 (39:11):
Y'all that could have been me.

Speaker 1 (39:14):
Well, right now we're thirty, so I don't and I
don't really want to go back to the fourth of
the eighth grade. But yeah, you had an opportunity. But
you want to be cool to walk the streets.

Speaker 6 (39:25):
Hey, listen, we all have the same twenty four hours.

Speaker 1 (39:28):
On Bill Belichick experiment that you n C is even
bigger disaster than expected. They got blown out by UCF
thirty four to nine. Tar Hills only managed two hundred
and seventeen total yards two point five yards per carre
against the Knight squad picked the finish dead last in
the Big twelve preseason pole. This outlook looked bleak for

(39:50):
the four gaps in four games in the coach Belichick's
coaching er at Chapel Hill. They're not two and two,
but the two wins have come against Charlotte and Richmond. Now, guys,
should we have concerns about coach belichick tenure off the field?
Now we've heard now very very interesting if the situation,

(40:11):
you know, he banned the scouts. Banning the scouts doesn't
hurt coach Belichick. It hurts the players that wants the
scouts to come see him, and then he has a
situation where they talk about his girlfriend.

Speaker 2 (40:23):
And how she's this and how she's that. You read
the articles.

Speaker 1 (40:27):
So I'm not breaking news to anybody that's listening to
Ojo and Johnny and myself tonight. I'm not breaking any news,
but it seems to be there are these articles that
keep coming out how she's around, and how he seems
not like the coach Belichick because I can imagine Ojo.
Do you think this situation he would have been a
situation like this.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
At New England. I don't know, we don't know, we
don't know, but.

Speaker 1 (40:50):
I'm just saying he seems different now than he was
in New England.

Speaker 5 (40:56):
Yeah, I think Bill Belichick has always been about business.
The way he can dust himself when it comes to
the game of football. That would never change. That would
never change the way he approaches the game now. The
difference is in North Carolina and New England. Obviously, you
have the players, you have the personnel to be able
to execute and do the game plan schematically that you have. Also,
he banned the scouts, but what the hell, the scout's

(41:17):
coming for what they're coming to watch?

Speaker 2 (41:20):
Come to talk to you?

Speaker 6 (41:21):
What the scouts coming to watch? Have you watch play?

Speaker 2 (41:25):
Have you watched you NC play? Johnny?

Speaker 5 (41:27):
Have you watched North Carolina Blake?

Speaker 2 (41:29):
Okay?

Speaker 6 (41:30):
For what they coming to watch? Okay, they band? Well,
they ain't really known to come see anyway? No, did
you respect?

Speaker 5 (41:35):
Now as far as his girlfriend is concerned, obviously you
have someone younger, someone you want to cater to a
little bit more as opposed to those you've dating in
the past who might have been of age and a
little older that went around obviously wouldn't want to be
around the NFL practice like that. Inside the NFL locker room,
are doing doing things that that manner college a little
bit different, a little bit more leanient, different type of atmosphere,

(41:58):
and obviously dating someone much younger, and you want to
more so caters that listen. I'm not in this personal minis.
I don't know, I don't I don't want to talk
much much about that. But until he gets the players
in there to be able to compete with everybody else.

Speaker 6 (42:12):
I mean, it's his first year.

Speaker 5 (42:14):
I would give Bill Belichick one of the greatest of
all time at the NFL level, being at the Completia level,
now things have to start working in your in your favor.
When you can get the players you need to compete
with everybody else. That's that's that's all to come down
to me.

Speaker 4 (42:29):
I think, I think you look at it and you
give him some time. Obviously, this is a new league,
a new situation for him. The whole process of what
he's doing, and the college football game is much much
different than the NFL. I don't think anybody was expecting
UNC to be a playoff team this year. I don't
think they've been very good or very competitive in the
ACC probably since Drake May was coming out. Is really

(42:51):
probably the last time I can't remember the last time
I've turned on a North Carolina game.

Speaker 3 (42:55):
To actually watch a football game. Their jerseys look.

Speaker 4 (42:58):
Pretty cool, spot it a nice you look good, but
you get your ass thanked every Saturday. You are not
a football school, so for me, it doesn't entice me.
But I think as a hole as you look at
it from a college football landscape, Belichick has an opportunity
to do something amazing. If they get the right players
and the right people in there, it will be a

(43:19):
great story right now currently with what they have on
the roster and what it is in this transition, it's
not going very well. But I don't think you can
really sit there and judge as a whole year until
you get acc play you see how you stack up
against other teams in your conference. This is not a
good look obviously using to a UCF team, But UCF
not a bad program. They've had years in the past.

(43:42):
They they've got a good thing going down there. So
I mean you're both back, Yeah, I mean you got
UCF is a is a solid program. They're definitely more
of a football school than North Carolina is or has
been in the past in my opinion. So the girlfriend stuff,
if you don't see it anywhere else and.

Speaker 2 (44:01):
Call it, that's a big thing, and from the media.

Speaker 4 (44:05):
Definitely jumped on it and made it a big thing,
maybe even bigger than it is. But to be walking
around the field and warm ups and this and that
and the cameras when you know what's happening and you
know it's causing a stir, when you know you're gonna
go into a press conference and get asked about it
and all this stuff that comes along with it, it
almost gets to the point like why the fuck would
you do it? Like like why you know, you're just

(44:28):
adding more scrutiny and more things to the pot, like
Toney's sit in the suite, I'll see you after the game.
What are we talking about. It's obviously a problem. It's
obviously an issue. People look at it and they're talking
about it every single week. Doesn't make sense to me,
and it's so Unbelichick. But at this point in time,

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with all that he's done, maybe he's just like, I
am that guy. I can do what I want, and
I'm gonna do whatever it is I want.

Speaker 3 (44:55):
They gave me the keys to this.

Speaker 4 (44:57):
I'm gonna run it my way and you guys can
watch and and hate from the outside.

Speaker 5 (45:01):
And the funny thing too about Bill obviously, knowing him personally,
he don't give two of you know what about what
nobody say. He wouldn't nobody think. He don't care at
all at all. He runs things his way and he
can always continue running his way because his way works
and it always has.

Speaker 6 (45:19):
Now.

Speaker 5 (45:19):
Obviously they're not winning right now, but them not winning
had nothing to do with her.

Speaker 6 (45:23):
They had nothing to do with her.

Speaker 5 (45:25):
With those that are watching and making stories about her
being around. Listen, this blow is being blown out of
proportion because of who he is. If it was anybody else,
it wouldn't be talked about.

Speaker 2 (45:34):
But let me ask you a question.

Speaker 1 (45:36):
He would always tell you, guys, distractions, This is a
distraction for his football team. Now he would say, he
would say, let's limit to the distractions. Let's make sure
it's about football. Now people are talking about things that
are not football related. So the biggest distraction created at
the University of Chapel Hill is Bill belichicking what he

(45:59):
had ex curriculact. I ain't saying this. There's nothing wrong
with it. He's consenting, she's consenting. It is what it is.
But we've never seen anything like this. And I'm a
little older all both of y'all. I've never seen a
coach Saban or Vince Dooley or both sham Beckler or
I've never seen any though. I didn't even you saw

(46:20):
their wives after the game, when they came down on
the field after a big game, you just see him. Man,
If Alabama beat Eastern Michigan, you didn't see mss A
coach Saban's wife on the field. Miss take Now they
beat the ALPHN they beat Georgia, they win the national Championship,
you're gonna see.

Speaker 2 (46:37):
Miss Terryby's side. But that was the only time.

Speaker 1 (46:41):
So I think the biggest thing is Oh Joe giving
up what we know about Coach Belichick and how he's
run his programs in his twenty years in New England's matters.
The distractions, guys, we don't need distraction him saying very
little and for the most part, a lot of the
things being talked about is his his his girlfriend. They're

(47:02):
not talking about his team is bad. Ain't really really
anything good to say about it. But the distraction that
that he's allowing to be created. And so that's what's surprising,
I think, to a lot of people because we've never
seen a coach of of his caliber.

Speaker 2 (47:21):
Like dude like this.

Speaker 1 (47:23):
I mean I saw like before the game, Oh Joe,
like he's on like he's on the sideline and she
back there they talking like they're going over a game playing.
I'm like, well, damn this, I said, I don't know.
So I was just like, I wonder, I wonder what's
gonna be saying. I can assure you even Hehill, he's

(47:43):
coach Belichick. I don't know if the alumni. I don't
know if the chancellor with the president or whatever they
call him at the University of North Carolina, I don't
know if that's what he signed they signed up for.

Speaker 4 (47:59):
I agree it's odd. It doesn't coincide with everything that
he's been about about football throughout.

Speaker 3 (48:06):
The entire entirety of his whole career. So I agree.

Speaker 4 (48:13):
I would think that somebody within the higher ups of
North Carolina will kind of be.

Speaker 3 (48:17):
Like, what exactly is this? What are we doing here?
Because if she's sitting there.

Speaker 4 (48:23):
Drawing some plays in the dirt and breaking down film
and to get a game, so be it.

Speaker 3 (48:28):
We'll take that wherever we can get it.

Speaker 4 (48:29):
We'll take it from the janitor, We'll take it from
anybody we can get it throughout the organization.

Speaker 3 (48:34):
That's not what this is.

Speaker 1 (48:38):
Clemson, which were the top five team to open the season,
it's one in three if the excuse lost at home.
They lost at home to Syracuse thirty four to twenty one.
Dabble was seeing crying on the field after the game.
Nick Saban had some tough love advice for Dabble. Dabbo
needs to look at what he needs to do in
this program to make this program continually successful? Do you

(48:59):
have to change the portal? Do you have to change name, image,
and likeness? The game has changed, you need to change
with it. Otherwise you're not going to put yourself in
the same position other people are and have a chance
to be successful. This is the worst start to Clemson
since two thousand and four, and the worst start, worst
start ever in the sweety era. You know he talks

(49:21):
about I don't believe in the portal. I don't believe
in this. I don't believe players should get paid. Okay, Dabbo,
There are a lot of coaches that thought like that
until they started getting their ass kicked by teams that
were using the portal. When the teams that were using
the nil. Now, one of two things gonna happen, Dabbo.
Either you're gonna adapt, or you're gonna do like coach Saban,

(49:41):
or you're gonna do like coach k or you're gonna
do like some of these others. You're gonna go sit
your ass down, because if you think your way, you
think somebody's gonna go to cliff Ay, Now they gonna
You're gonna You're gonna still get some players. But if
you think a player has an opportunity to go to
Ohio State in Alabama and Georgia and Miami or Michigan
and they can get two million, go to Clemson and oh,

(50:03):
I just know, bro, that are happening.

Speaker 6 (50:05):
Hey, it's not gonna work.

Speaker 5 (50:07):
Johnny Dabbo knows that the landscape of football has changed.
College football is different now. Listen, y'all might not watch soccer,
but like Liverpool and Man City, you have to pay
to win if you play, if you play FEEFA, if
you play Ultimate Team, if you play Madden, you got
the pay to win. It's the same thing in college football.
Dabbo saying some of the things he said in the

(50:28):
past that lets me know that you don't want adapt
to the times that we're in now with what means basicy,
You trying to use the BlackBerry, You trying to use
a flip phone.

Speaker 6 (50:38):
It's not going to work.

Speaker 5 (50:39):
Two way, two way. Listen everything that too, hey, Johnny.
Everything is evolved. The game is evolved, and if you
don't evolve with it, die, it's gonna pass you by.

Speaker 4 (50:53):
That.

Speaker 1 (50:54):
Jady is not that cause, remember oh Joe, he was
supposed to retire once the playoff started getting paid. Once
these players start getting paid, it'll be Tabo dabble the
lead game. What Dabbo do gotta raise? Now, check this out.
Dabbo said, most of the guys that's in the portal
aren't good enough to play for Clemson. Well, SYRACU just
beat Clemson with a transfer quarterback, transfer, office alignment, transfer

(51:17):
leading receiver, transfer leading tackling. Hey, you might have players
then ain't good enough to play for Clemson, and that'd
be your problem.

Speaker 2 (51:28):
Why are you over the bumping your gums.

Speaker 4 (51:32):
Yeah, doesn't. He's stood on business. He's stood on businesses
last week too. We won the conference eight out of
ten years. I respected what he said, right because his
pedigree of what he's done.

Speaker 3 (51:42):
Has in Shawn for itself.

Speaker 4 (51:43):
Of course, they've been at the top of the ACC, which,
if we're just being honest, hasn't been a very strong
conference or had really competition in anything for the last decade.
So they're kind of cake walking through a lot of it,
to be honest, and hasn't been basketball conference. You get
to the a SEC championship game, they're mopping people by forty.
The teams are battling to go seven and six like, okay, yes,

(52:06):
you won the conference, not a very good one, to
be honest. Yes, you've been in some national champions You've
had some great players that have come through those days
of what they were doing.

Speaker 3 (52:18):
Deshaun Watson, all the guys that came.

Speaker 1 (52:20):
Through, the defensive lineman that they had, ohoe, all the things.

Speaker 3 (52:25):
There ain't no players on that Clemson roster.

Speaker 2 (52:27):
That look like that d hot There ain't it.

Speaker 4 (52:29):
So you're gonna have to go and adapt and be like,
we'll take Maybe you don't have to go to the
hit the portal and get fifteen guys, but you better
go take three or four. You better go take three,
four or five. You better look around and start studying
some film and seeing what guys are doing from smaller
schools and go get you one because if not, people
on your schedule are gonna go get you one and
they're gonna whoop that ass.

Speaker 1 (52:51):
Look at Georgia, look at the teams that go. The
best safety in college football is Caleb Downs. He left
the University of Alabama. Everybody get got you know, he saying, Hey,
this program, you know I win, I do it. Okay,
let me know how that work out for you. Now,
we're gonna check back with you a couple of years.

Speaker 2 (53:07):
Now.

Speaker 1 (53:07):
I understand she's absolutely right. Oh Joe, he's won the championship,
He's won the conference eight out of ten years.

Speaker 5 (53:13):
They do it now.

Speaker 1 (53:15):
To my point, they paid you for that. Now, if
you think that you're gonna just be able to coast,
well I want eight out of ten years and we
be having the same conversation three four years from now.

Speaker 2 (53:25):
That ain't gonna happen, Dabbo.

Speaker 1 (53:26):
Because what you've done is you've created expectations. Certain programs,
you have expectations, Dabbo. You created that for Clemson. Alabama
have expectations, Ohio State has expectations, Michigan has expectations, Georgia
has expectations, Oklahoma has expectations. Teams, certain teams have created

(53:51):
what we call expectations. If you think, because what you've
done in the past, that's gonna be good enough, No, no,
it's not. But if they fied a Coker, he won
national championship, look at the record, Eddi hay.

Speaker 6 (54:04):
YEA yeah, I have a question.

Speaker 5 (54:08):
Yes, because of his resume, because of what he's done
in the past, how much of a leash does devil have.

Speaker 6 (54:14):
If things continue to go sour this season.

Speaker 2 (54:17):
I think another year two Max, he got another year
or two for sure.

Speaker 4 (54:23):
He's earned that with what he's done, for sure, and
you give him a chance to adapt. I still think
this Clemson team will find a way to write this
ship a little bit. You look at the rest of
their schedule. I mean North Carolina coming up, Boston College
SMU has a decent team, but they're still sitting at
two and two Duke and then Florida State, Louisville, Furman,

(54:45):
South Carolina. So I mean they'll be able to ride
the ship, make this season look somewhat respectable.

Speaker 3 (54:50):
But at the end of the day, it's playoff or bust.
Right now, that's a down year for them.

Speaker 4 (54:54):
One that makes it really hard to go into recruiting
and everything else that comes along with it.

Speaker 1 (54:58):
And that's the problem that you have because South Carolina
it's you know, even though they lost again today, you
know South Carolina you know could possibly beat them again,
could beat them, And you look, first of all, you're
not making the college football Playoff with three losses. That's
not gonna happen. And so now, what what are you selling?
What are you selling them. Yeah, you made a college

(55:20):
I think they made a college football payout last year,
so you could sell that. But uh, you you it's
in a while he's gonna have.

Speaker 3 (55:28):
To Dae build on. You come to build on.

Speaker 4 (55:30):
You really are selling the past and selling a little
bit of a legacy. And you come to a good school,
get a good education. We have a good football program,
but you're not selling it that we have a great
football program right now.

Speaker 3 (55:40):
You have pieces that are on your roster that you.

Speaker 4 (55:42):
Can look at when you come to practice and you
come see how the guys work the facilities. You still
have something great to offer, right That's the positive thing
for Clemson.

Speaker 3 (55:50):
You have a coach that.

Speaker 4 (55:51):
Knows how to get guys to the next level. That's
a positive thing. I think you have a coach there
that seems like a great person, seems like a good leader,
seems like he runs a good program, one that if
you're looking at from a parental aspect, you would be like,
I want my.

Speaker 3 (56:06):
Son to go there and play for this man.

Speaker 4 (56:08):
He's gonna come out better, he's gonna get a good education,
he's gonna be able to play high level football. So
you have a lot of things still going for you
at Clemson. But at the end of the day, winning
is what matters. Being at the top is what matters.
And having a team and selling point that you can
go to the national championship if you come here and
play for this school, that's a major, major thing.

Speaker 1 (56:27):
You're absolutely right, and uh, you're not getting a level
of player. I mean, think about it. You lose, you
go from DeShawn to Trevor Lawrence. You got Christin Wilkins,
you got Cleveland Farrell, you got Dexter Lawrence, you got
aj Terrell. You go Sammy Watkins and DeAndre Hopkins, and
you go Martavius Bryant. You look at the level of

(56:50):
talent that they were getting. Not getting that now I
was getting back.

Speaker 5 (56:57):
Definitely not getting it. If your pocket book ain't open, right,
he's not getting it. He ain't writing no checks.

Speaker 1 (57:03):
Yeah, a Tahoe ain't gonna get it. West upon a time,
a Tahoe or the Dollee will get you something. Now
with the other kids giving you Lambas and Ferrari and mclarence,
that ain't gonna cut a coloring or urus that. Hey,
oh Joe, do you want to do knowledge or do
you want an Urus. You want a Cadillact you want

(57:23):
a Cadillac, or do you want a color it?

Speaker 3 (57:26):
The choice is show he call on a smart car.

Speaker 1 (57:29):
Hey, Hey, oh Joe, I understand the clips of South Carolina, Joe,
Johnny and pickups might be handed.

Speaker 2 (57:36):
So maybe you off for Shellby one of those Shelby
af Fords.

Speaker 6 (57:39):
Yeah, they nice.

Speaker 1 (57:40):
I almost got me one, almost got one. I might
swing back around in two years, but I was like,
you know, hey, right now, I'm not in that.

Speaker 2 (57:47):
I'm not in that pick up space and space.

Speaker 1 (57:50):
I got you, I got you, Johnny, were gonna get
you out here on this one. Indiana destroyed the Fighting
Alone I sixty three to ten and top twenty five matchup.
If I'm not mistaken with the first time both of
these teams teams that been ranked since nineteen fifty one.
Hosting the ninth rank Illinois Bloomington Saturday night, the number
nineteen Hoosiers man handled Luke Auptmar and the Fighting A Line.

(58:14):
They swarm the quarterback all night, Haraz give me the
quick throws, and they beat them sixty three to ten,
demoralizing Brett Beilima's team sixty three to ten. You're not
supposed to get beat sixty three to ten, Johnny. If
your two top twenty five matchups and it ain't supposed
to happen.

Speaker 4 (58:30):
You've been a top ten team for most of the season,
you have a lot of expectations going into it. You
get sixty three hung on you. This is a humbling,
humbling moment in their season and one that will define
their season. Right, Indiana gets a lot of flak from
last year getting into the playoff or they deserving them
being there. They get routed in the playoffs. Everybody's kind

(58:51):
of making fun of them. But what you do with
that going to the playoffs as you build off of it? Right,
you have good players that are experienced in there. They
know what it's like. They won a lot of games
last year, so you're building a culture that's, hey, we're
winning some games. We are not the Indiana of old.
We are not going to be pushed around and bullied.
And when you go out and score sixty three and

(59:12):
ten versus a ranked team, that's something you build on
in a positive way. On the other side, with Illinois,
this is a wake up call.

Speaker 3 (59:19):
This is man. Maybe we were reading too many of those.

Speaker 4 (59:22):
Press clip beings you're talking about how great we how
great we were, but we are what we thought we were,
and this is a time for us to either come together,
button up, and still go do what you want to
do in the season. One loss versus a ranked team
that you look back and is going to be fighting
for a playoff spot.

Speaker 3 (59:37):
Doesn't kill you. But you either shrink and.

Speaker 4 (59:41):
Hide and it changes your season, or you come together
strong as a unit and try to fix the things
you need to fix. Because sixty three to ten is uh,
that's that's a day that you'll remember.

Speaker 1 (59:52):
For a while to get sure you beat like that.
You ain't nobody going out. I ain't no part. Hey, man,
you going to the you going to the fran part?
He No, you think I want you want somebody? You
think I want somebody to see me after this ass
whipping I just took.

Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
No, I see y'all, I see y'all Monday. I ain't
even leaving my room. I have my roommate picked me
something up.

Speaker 3 (01:00:15):
Its postmates for.

Speaker 6 (01:00:15):
That boy coming outside.

Speaker 1 (01:00:19):
No, man, hey, first of all, I wasn't really outside
like that anyway, Joe. But if we lost by more
than a touchdown, no, I couldn't let down.

Speaker 4 (01:00:28):
This is a bottle of whiskey on the couch and
the Xbox type of night. You find a box of
tissue after this one, because you're gonna be sitting there
looking at the mirror, staring at the damn we went.

Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
Out da who put nine tubs on us? Nine of
the Oh hell.

Speaker 4 (01:00:44):
No, you're sitting on the sideline for the boys who
didn't play, and you're just going flying by you in
the end zone. All you see is reps raising their
hands all night, all night.

Speaker 1 (01:00:57):
Like yeah he got on shore. Yeah, ghettos. Thank you
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Speaker 4 (01:01:15):
Johnny, before I go, I am I am off to
the great city of Las Vegas here right after this,
I need a from each of you.

Speaker 3 (01:01:25):
I'm hitting the room of a table.

Speaker 5 (01:01:26):
What we got, hey, Johnny, do me a favor. You
like you like Frank Sinatra, you like the you like
the right pack, the red pack.

Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
No you're no favor.

Speaker 5 (01:01:36):
Go and see the rat pack at the Tuscany Hotel
and Casino at some point were in Vegas.

Speaker 6 (01:01:42):
It's a it's a wonderful show. You're liking, you enjoy it.

Speaker 5 (01:01:45):
I'm not sure. I try to get on the go.
He not listening to me. Maybe I can get you
to go.

Speaker 3 (01:01:49):
I'm gonna I'm gonna go check it out.

Speaker 4 (01:01:51):
I need two numbers for both of you because I go,
I'm putting rack on each other.

Speaker 6 (01:01:54):
I got it.

Speaker 5 (01:01:55):
You gotta tea you.

Speaker 6 (01:01:56):
You need to teach me how to gamble.

Speaker 3 (01:01:57):
Man. I got you, Baker, that's my thing. I'm about
to go.

Speaker 1 (01:02:01):
Yeah, well see, I mean I I've really never played roulette.

Speaker 4 (01:02:06):
So you want you matter one through one through one
through thirty six, both of you.

Speaker 3 (01:02:11):
Twenty seven, twenty seven, eight and eight. I split the projects, all.

Speaker 2 (01:02:19):
Right, bet and enjoy.

Speaker 1 (01:02:20):
Man have a good with Johnny Manziel in podcast Glory
when Johnny Manziel make sure you go check it out
appreciated Johnny.

Speaker 4 (01:02:29):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (01:02:29):
Joe Brown's wide receiver, Jerry Judy said last week eleven
and a half point betting line against the Ravens was disrespectful.
Judy jen fired off double ball middle fingers during the pregame.
In deduction, Judy would fined fourteen thousand, four hundred and
ninety one dollars for the gesture to the crowd and
also the Ravens won forty one seventeen more than double

(01:02:50):
what the spread was.

Speaker 5 (01:02:51):
Hey, hey they Hey, there were there were a few
finds at the NFL handed out. That's like, listen, I
understand the double fingers, the double barrow, double middle.

Speaker 1 (01:03:03):
Go get you every time on Jo, they gonna get
you every.

Speaker 5 (01:03:05):
Time they find sakuon Barkley forty six thousand dollars.

Speaker 2 (01:03:10):
On for Lord his helmet.

Speaker 5 (01:03:12):
He plays running back one.

Speaker 2 (01:03:15):
You told me that they call it You say he
called that h I saw today.

Speaker 5 (01:03:20):
I saw that they go by on Twitter and I
looked at the play.

Speaker 2 (01:03:23):
I mean, what the hell is he supposed to do?

Speaker 6 (01:03:26):
Like, what are we doing?

Speaker 5 (01:03:27):
What is the competition committee or whoever it is, whoever's
passing out these fines. It's still the game of football.

Speaker 6 (01:03:36):
That you can't change the way you play.

Speaker 5 (01:03:38):
You can't change the way you run, you can't change
when you tackle.

Speaker 6 (01:03:40):
What are we doing?

Speaker 1 (01:03:43):
Hey, I thought you always spoke when I did play
running back. They always say run behind your past. And
even when I wasn't a running back, I tried to.
You know, I would go go into a crowd. I'm
gonna run behind my path, right, you got you. I'm
not fit to give you all this to hit Hey.

Speaker 5 (01:03:57):
And if you don't run behind your pass, you're gonna
get yourself hurt.

Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
Shore will they'll saw your ass and half Hey.

Speaker 1 (01:04:05):
Then you will be ready behind your pass because your
ass be doubled up.

Speaker 2 (01:04:09):
Yep.