Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to Jerry Jones says that they are not a player away on defense, and Rams safety Kam Curl joins the show, and Steelers are signing Marquel Valdes-Scantling to reunite with Aaron Rodgers and much more!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
After my Broncos ran over the Cowboys yesterday for one
hundred and seventy nine yards and Bowl next throwing for
two seventy four and four touchdowns, Jerry Jones gave a brutal,
honest quote about his Cowboys. I don't know. I don't
know what's realistic. Could one better player if we didn't
pay too big of a price, have a better player
on defense?
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Possibly help.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
I'm not trying to be cute, but that's where you
go get help because you think that you could go
get help for your defense. Are we one player away
on defense? I think we're not. I think we're more
than than that. But we're closer than it looks in
my mind. Is executing better on defense?
Speaker 2 (00:40):
O cho? Yeah? Now this is what I don't get.
The reports are that he.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Inquired about Trey Hendrickson from the Bengals.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
What I don't get.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Who had michaeh that's four years younger than Trey, right,
But you say no to that. Now, if you signed,
if you signed Miles Garrett, what you got back You're
gonna have to give up more to get a player
like Miles Garrett than what you got.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
For Michael Parsons.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, absolutely something. Maybe maybe he wasn't thinking
because Jerry Jones did say they were better off defensively
with Michael Parson going.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
You said that it was a lie, he told it.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Yeah, you said when Kenny Clark came, it makes your
defense better. And you also said, well we were no
closer to winning Super Bowl with Michael Parsons, So what's
gonna be the difference when he's not here? M hm.
So all those things are now coming back to haunts
you because now your defense is thirty first in the league,
(01:45):
right above us.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
But I always thought that would.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
I think the thing is chose that you look at
because they didn't have another player opposite of Michael who
will see he.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Got Rashan Gary.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Now, so now he has somebody that can if you don't,
if you don't double Bichah, he's gonna get you. If
you don't double Michael, he gonna get your quarterback. He's
gonna pressure your quarterback. So now, right now, team's got
more concerned about Michah than they are Rashan Gary. Gary
is getting a lot of one on one and he's winning.
I think he's probably up there close to his total
(02:18):
for his career high. I think his career high is
like nine. He's gonna have double digit. I can see
a scenario he has thirteen fourteen sacks, and that's because
of the guy that's opposite of him. But I think
a lot of this had to do with egos. I think,
you know, Jerry wanted to draw a line in the sand.
He didn't like the way the negotiation was going. He
felt he had a deal with Michael. When Michael shuk
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his hand and X, Y and Z, he said, Michael
called the meeting. Michael said he wanted to meet with him,
he wanted to talk to him, and he thought that,
you know, he thought one thing, Michael thought another thing,
and from that point on, Jerry was done. Jared was
not gonna do And Jerry made it bundantly clear, if
you play in Dallas this year, you're going to play
under your current contract. No, there is no contract extension.
(03:00):
You're going to play with on your on your rookie deal.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Hey, and you understand that, especially when he's handled other
other contracts, waiting until the last minute to get him done,
making those players wait as well. And it doesn't You're
You're not special, You're not any more special than that.
You're not any more special than Zeke, you know, not
any more special than CD Lamb. So when he and
one thing about Jerry, he's one of the few owners
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that you're not for the bully. No, you're not for
the you're not for the bully. Me I'm I'm I
am the program.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Yeah, I think in that situation on jo Jerry is
a guy, you got to make him feel good. Yeah, Jered,
you know, I really want to be here X Y
and Z, so forth and so on. And like I said,
the number that he got, Jerry wasn't willing to go there,
but Jerry were at the time. I guess it was
gonna be a number bigger than what Micah, excuse me,
(03:54):
what Miles Garrett got. So it's gonna be something around there.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Now.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Was he gonna go in the blind and play forty
seven million? Hell no, when the highest when the highest
contract at that time for a defensive player was a
Nick Bosa at around thirty two thirty three million. And
you mean to tell me you're gonna have somebody go
thirteen fourteen more million per year than the highest paid
(04:20):
And y'all, no, absolutely not so, Jared felt he made
a very good, a very compelling offer that he was
willing to go. Make him the highest paid, give him
forty million dollars a year annually. And I don't know
what the guarantee was. But when that, when that fell through,
Jared was no longer interested in and and and dealing
with it.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
He wasn't budgeted, he wasn't ecuse me, he was set.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
This is what I offered. I'm not going a penny more. Yeah,
this is it.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
And like you said, now, because everything that was going
wrong before, you know, oh you know, we didn't do
this when Michael was here, and Michael couldn't stop the
run and y'allah blah, y'all, y'all, it was a lot
of Micah. I ain't heard him mentioned Michael lately. You're
running through you. You can't.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
You can't mention them. And and listen, Michael Parsons, whether
they were running through you or not. When he was there,
he was an impact player. He changed He can change
the trajectory of a game at any point. He get
any games at any point. He is a massive destructor
all four quarters. Now you don't have that, you don't
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have that.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
No, look that the liebackers aren't that good. Uh, your corners,
I mean, Bland is your best corner. You know, Diggs
is out, he's on our so you got backups in there.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Uh, I think Hooker is injured. They just that they don't.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
I mean, they just don't have guys that can shut
the you know, turn the lights out of the place.
And that's what when Dallas was successful. When Dallas was
when they had that, they had that at every level.
You know, they had a kid Norton, they had had
Darren Woodson, and they had a Time and they had
a Haley and they had those guys.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
They don't have that now, Yeah, they don't have that.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
They don't.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Offensively, they're they're they're mentally talent, They're they're inconsistent.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
They're inconsistent. The Broncos have a really good defense.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
They do.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
The Broncos have a really good defense.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
And if you are what you say you are defense offensively,
that should you should welcome that challenge. You should welcome
that challenge. I thought the Broncos played an unbelievable ball game. Look,
I knew the Broncos. I thought the Broncos would struggle
a little more defensively than what they struggled with the
Cowboys than what they did with the Cowboys offense. I
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knew the Cowboys offense wasn't gonna be able to no, no,
because they're because they're they're not that good on that
side of the football, and they haven't been that good
on that side.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Of the football for the extended period of time.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
And because of the way they're built, they're built to
play with a lead. If they don't go Look at
the Cowboys when they don't have a lead. Got those
small guys, O yoe. Small guys don't held up well
against the run.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
Yeah, they undersized, they underside. But one thing they can do,
they can run. Boy, they can run sideline and sideline.
But when you come down hill at.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Them, I ain't I ain't trying to go outside. I'm
trying to go right down here. I'm trying to go
right down ninety five. I don't want nothing. I don't
want nothing. I don't want nothing with three letters with
three numbers in it, because that's the loot. I'm going
north and south and and and that's that's what That's
what the Cowboys are like.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
And they lack size, they like they lack a hair. Race.
You gotta have a you gotta have you need one.
Oh Joe, you got you got to have a dog.
You need one.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
For any team to succeed. I know we talk about
we talk about skill set. I know we always talk
about high character guys. You know, and all this these
hey all that. You need three dogs at the three
key positions that can change the game. You need a
dog that's a quarterback. You need a dog that on
that front foor somewhere either detack of the defensive end.
(08:15):
And you need a dog at receiver. Sometimes you get lucky,
you get your dog at running back.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
But the three those are the three most important places
where you need a guy. You need that guy, the
guy that can change defense and the dynamic of your offense. Man,
stop playing. Oh you know he's not that good. He's
a high character guy. Yeah, okay, get your man right.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
It's gonna be interesting to see what the Broncos does
moving forward, because PS two is gonna be down for it.
That look like he might be placed on R because
he can shut down. He he is sensational, he's amazing,
and he allow he allowed Coop and those other guys
to eat Bonito Allen those guys Straan. Uh, they do
a great job. Hey, we got a very special guest
(09:03):
joining us right now.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
You see what's up up like you rob something.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
No, I'm just comfortable, man.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Okay, welcome to the show. Ramp Safety Cam, Curl Cam.
How you doing man, I'm.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
Doing good, and I appreciate you all for having.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Appreciate you coming on the bye week. You guys are
coming off the bye week. So what did cam do
in this bye week?
Speaker 2 (09:25):
So what so?
Speaker 1 (09:25):
So take us through your bye week. You had the
whole week off, so you got out of town boom.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
No, I ain't even believe. I ain't gonna lie. I
stayed here.
Speaker 5 (09:33):
I was tired, okay, because we did all that traveling
like Baltimore.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
That whole week.
Speaker 5 (09:39):
Yeah, when we traveled to London and play like within
like that certain amount of time. So I was really
all right from all the traveling and we ain't get
I ain't get home till like Monday, two thirty in
the morning, damn. Like I slept all Monday Tuesday. I
went to the city a few days, you know what
I'm saying. But I just spent time with the family,
really just trying to let my body rest.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Okay, you ain't do nothing outside of that though, like
to get away, just to get away from the game
of football.
Speaker 5 (10:06):
I mean yeah, like you know, I take the kids
to the park and stuff, like you know what I'm saying,
Like just a little little stuff.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
I ain't do nothing crazy.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Crazy, Yeah, Like you guys are number one, the first,
your first red zone, defensive touchdowns allowed, thirty points allowed,
eighth and takeaways. What do you think the biggest reason
you guys are having such success on the defensive side
of the football.
Speaker 5 (10:27):
I mean, I feel like the system we got in
the scheme we got, it's built around our players, and
what we were able to do is like it's built
for our skill set. And you know, we've been in
this systems our second you're going on in the system,
so we all comfortable with each other, especially in the secondary,
Like this is the first place, like the first time
i'd seen Leu's bring back a whole like secondary unit.
(10:48):
You know what I'm saying. Yeah, usually every year the
room changes, you know what I'm saying. But you know,
since we did that, that just helps us play even
faster because we more comfortable each other and you know know,
how each other play.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
Yeah, and now that you are in your second year
other's defense, how comfortable are you?
Speaker 2 (11:07):
You know?
Speaker 5 (11:09):
I mean I'm real comfortable, Like I'm real comfortable with
how Shula cars game, and I'm real comfortable with with
all my teammates, you know what I'm saying. And I
just like flying around those guys like we have to
make him plays, you know what I'm saying. You know,
trying to keep doing that.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Hey, does your coach, your defensive coordinator do does he
allow you the freedom to do things off script that
really really isn't part of X and those But because
you're the one out there on the field and playing
the game and you have a feel for stuff, can
you go off script and do stuff based on what
you've seen on film?
Speaker 5 (11:39):
I mean, you know, as long as you make the play,
you know what I'm saying, ain't gonna be too mad.
But now they do emphasize on us not being robots
though you know what I'm saying, They don't want to
teach the football instances away from us, you know what
I'm saying. So he listens, he let's just play how
we play. You know what I'm saying. We're gonna always
go within the scheme, you know, in the play call.
But you know he lets us go out there and
fly around.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Okay, you're known for your physical style of play. How
did you get the how do you get the nickname?
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Cam Bam?
Speaker 4 (12:06):
Uh? I got that name? Like in high school it
was a I ain't gonna lie.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
You know.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
The females used to call me that. You know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (12:14):
Oh, but yeah, no, you know, you know I bring
that boom on the field too.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
You know what I'm saying. You know rhymes, you know,
but like, yeah, it's just it's just a little nickname.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Hey, let me let me I got I got a
question for you since they call you cam Bam and
you and you knowing for you know, coming down here
coming to the party. You you think you think you
would have been able to hit me if you were playing,
Like if I just happened to be in this area,
you think you would hit me? Yeah? Like, hey, hold
on you laughing? You see you think about, Hey, you're
a little thing. Man, I'm two twenty. What you talk
(12:50):
about then?
Speaker 4 (12:51):
What you what you're waying? Back then?
Speaker 3 (12:53):
Back then I was two thirty.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
All right, all right, you got it? If you two
thirty then you got it.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
Yeah, I would have ran through you. But don't, man,
don't do that. Don't do that. Don't do that.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
With you.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
What was some of the factors what was so appealing
for you with signing with the Rams.
Speaker 5 (13:12):
Well, honestly, like off the bat, just you know, Sean
y Vay, you know what I'm saying, just even before
I got here, just seeing him from Afar and you know,
hearing things about him and watching his interviews and stuff
like that's just off the bat, like a guy you
want to play football for. You know, It's just the
type of guy he is. And you know, I knew
it was a winning coachure here. You know, they just
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won the Super Bowl not too long ago, you know
what I'm saying. You know, they always get into the playoffs,
you know, So it was just it felt like the
right fit.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (13:41):
It's a bunch of young, hungred guys on the on
the defensive side with some stuff to prove, and you know,
I felt like I fit right in.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
You came in the league kind of like I came
in the league. I was self around draft pick. I
was one ninety two, your self around draft pick, and
I never felt.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Like I made it.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
I feel like I had to go out there every
single year and reprove myself that, like I gotta give
them one reason. And I always keet this mindset I
gotta get when I went to practice camp, I would
I say, I gotta give him one reason.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
To keep me.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Just one, man. You see that rock shop ran, man,
you see that catch that he made. You see how
he picked up that blip. Just one.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
I needed one reason for him to say, yeah, we
gotta keep him another day. What was your mindset coming in?
You got a seventh round draft pick, but the commanders,
what was your mindset? Because you know, normally seventh round
picks don't camp bodies. They just they just hey, they
need somebody to fill out the roster. They really tried,
they really try to give it. No look, but you
got to see me because I'm gonna make you look no.
Speaker 5 (14:40):
In fact, na my mindset. I mean I knew getting
drafted in the seventh round. Like I was just talking
to myself, like, you know, I gotta take everything to
the next level, you know what I'm saying, just to
try to make this team. You know, coming in because
I was the only rookie dB. They had picked up
the whole like draft process. You know, they ain't pick
no fraids up and nothing. So I was the only
rookie dB in the room. So like it's like I'm
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going against vets. I'm competing against vets, you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
People already being in. So I just know how to
take everything to the next level.
Speaker 5 (15:08):
And you know, all my vets there back then in
twenty twenty season, like they really brought me in, you
know what I'm saying, and showed me the way, and
I just sat back washing them and learned and you know,
started making plays.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Yeah, you look being in too different. Look Washington, LA.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
How similar or how different are the defensive systems that
where you were in DC compared to what you are
in right now in LA.
Speaker 4 (15:34):
I feel like it's a it's a difference.
Speaker 5 (15:36):
I feel like in Washington it was more of like
you know, like a like a straightforward this is.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
What we're doing.
Speaker 5 (15:42):
You know what I'm saying, We're not really we wasn't
really doing no disguising. Like you know, man, like you.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Just going out there. You ain't got no ski mask,
you ain't got nothing.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
You ain't got no dark You're just going like that's
how there real is though, Like.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
You know, like I know, Jack, We're gonna put your position.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
You gotta make the play, you know. That's all that matters.
Speaker 5 (16:04):
And I feel like this Rams defense, it's it's a
it's a way more complex defense, you know what I'm saying.
We run tons of different coverages, Like it's subages that
I'm I'm learning about this year. I didn't even know
it was coverage, you know what I'm saying. So it's
a real complex defense and it fits us because we
got real smart players on our defense, you know what
I'm saying, that can think on the fly, you know
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what I'm saying, And we communicate very well, like this defense,
communication is key for sure.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
And it's funny when you talk about defenses being very
complex and you're able to do more with the defense
when you had the right players with the right skill
set and can communicate. It brings me back to that
two thousand Ravens, that two thousand and early two thousand
Steelers defense. But KC, they used to run defenses that
wasn't even on film. They weren't on film, and people
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were always out of position. But they were so good
with a great understanding of being able to communicate and
when the ball snaps, they'll fly back through exactly where
they're supposed to be at. But it was so confusing
for me as an offensive player. So the fact that
you guys are able to do that, to run complex
stuff that you really don't see on film. You really
don't know what's coming. And keep an offense thinking all
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the time, especially at the snap and after the snap
of the ball, you're always having an advantage, always have
an advantage defensively for sure.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Man, Cam, I'm looking at you. Guys are schedules. You
got the Saints, Niners, Seahawks, Bucks, Panthers, Cars, Lions, Seahawks, Falcons, Cardinals. Damn,
y'all got a lot of birds up in there, the Seahawks,
the Cardinals, the Seahawks, the Falcons, the Cardinals. Y'all will
trying to put some of these birds out their misery.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
Yeah, yeah, we're gonna do that for something.
Speaker 5 (17:42):
Man.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
That's the.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
Speaking of man. What has it been like, man to
watch Pook and the cool Man and Davonte Adams Man,
Davonte still, I know, you know, we talk about some
of the best receivers in the game. You know, they
mentioned Jamar Chase and Justin Jefferson, you know JSN and
some of those, those those younger guys. But to me,
Devonte Adams is still the best rock runner in the league.
Speaker 5 (18:04):
Like with him, But it's crazy, man, just starting off
like a practice, just watching them every day at practice
and being able to go against those type of guys
every day, Like it makes this a lot better as
a defense because every every team you're not seeing that
every day every day.
Speaker 4 (18:22):
So that's that's just making us better.
Speaker 5 (18:23):
And then the ad Matthew Stafford in the mix with
those two, like it's crazy, but like it's just it's
amazing to see in practice with us.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
And it's hard to like, why follow the quarterback eyes
and Matthew Stafford looking over here and he throwing the
ball over there? Throw the ball over here. You're like, coach,
why you go there? Because he was looking over that quarterback.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
Guys he doing that to some practice too. It's not
just do it.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Too hey when we saw it on the tape because
in the game, you didn't know it because I was
at the Super Bowl when he threw When he did
that in the Super Bowl when he threw a he
was looking like this here and he threw the ball
and Cooper Cup ended up catching it. It was right
by because the linebacker was dead right if he looks
at if the linebacker is gonna pick it.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
But because he was looking over here and.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
He threw it, he's like, oh here in the throat, like, oh,
my goodnesses.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
That right off his head. Hold.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
That was nice. That's crazy.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
We see that every day. Man, it's crazy.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
To what And you know coach Yard still a receiver.
Coach hu yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that was my coach
at Oregon State.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
Really yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
Yard is a cool dude.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
Man, my guy, Man, that's my guy.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
Well, Cam, thanks for joining us tonight, man, best of luck,
continued success, stay healthy, and hey, you guys got a
nice little schedule coming up. But hey, you done got
your bye week, you get your second win. Now it's
time to hey, time to go finish the task.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
Sir, already. I appreciate you all for having man, thanks
you for coming on.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Appreciate it. Enjoy the rest of the evening.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
Man.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Oh yall, wow, michaeh. He just can't let it go.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Last night, he blasted how the Cowboys have treated Trayvon Diggs.
He told Joy Epstein of Yahoo's Sports. Honestly, I feel
like they f my dog over, you know what I mean.
He's coming off a catastrophic knee injury, and I just
think they did they did right by him. I don't
think that. I didn't think they did right by him.
He didn't participate in all camp. He's going out there
playing Week one and two, and I just think you
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don't do that. I just don't think you do that
to a player like that, and the type of knee
injury that he had, they forced him out there. He
has no reps. Really, he's telling me he was in
warm up phase during the week one though, even with
the ramp up. I just feel like, just don't do that.
I just feel like they screwed him over. The organization
let him down, you know what I mean, if you
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just don't do that to a player, and I think
it was mad wrong and I just pray for him.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
Now.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
You know, Michaeh and Trayvon are really really good friends.
He's echoing what trayvond relaid to him.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
What he can't say itself.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
What he can't say, I tell Michael Michael ain't here, Michael,
you'll say it.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
I can see where Michael is coming from Austin coming
off of injury like that also, but you have to
think on the cowboys in well, if you're coming off
of injury, you know, why don't you why don't you
be here with us? Why don't you rehab with us?
So we can we can, Hey, we can watch you
and we can dictate how far.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Along you are.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
But when you're not here, we don't know.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Yeah, you don't know.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
So when you do come back, you know, but we
think you're ready because you're taking care of your business
away from the facility, you know, doing it your way
with your own doctors or whatever you may have it.
So now we don't we don't, We don't know. So
when you come back here, we expecting you to be ready. Yes,
So that's where that comes from. And putting him out
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there if he's not ready, Now you come back and say,
oh you're not ready and use out there doing things.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
Your wait and you weren't here. If you're here and
you're not ready, that's one thing. You're there and you're
not ready because you know we can we can update it. Okay,
the progress Jared gonna come as the trainers. How far
along is Trayvon?
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Will he be able to go week one? Do we
need to put him on the pump list? What do
we need to do? Well, you're telling us if you're
not here training, that you're on schedule, and so you
no longer need our training staff because you believe the
training that you have is gonna put you in a
position to be where you need to be. Right and
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when they got that kind of money tied up in you, ah,
it's gonna be.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
Yeah, it's tough. It's tough, which is why they took
that five hundred thousand from me. Yes, well you don't
want to Okay, we know what. Let it. Let let
us recoup some of this, Let us get some of
this back. They can give you a better understanding on
how serious we are and how upset we are that
you're not taking the owners and getting yourself prepared for
the season upcoming season. Here in the faciit where we
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can document and keep tabs on how far along you
have to go, so we know what to do, so
we know that on our end.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
So I think the thing is o Joe is that
they put him out there. If I know he's not helped.
I put him out there. I'm gonna make it look bad.
So that way, when we release him, ain't nobody gonna
feel me.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Man.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
You see how my man played. Yeah, listen, and he
had a bad injury. Yeah, I don't know if it's
the same because he towards a cl and then he
had another I don't know if it's the same ash.
Was it the same need that he towards a clo
wasn't a different knee? But in any case, you know,
he had two injuries, two knee injuries in the last
two years. That's how you asked him an awful lot,
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Ojo asking an awful lot. And here's the thing, he's
predicated he's gonna take risk. You can take those risks
when you have a defensive line that can put pressure.
When you had Michael and you had d Law playing
at extremely high levels that was collapse in the pocket,
you could take those risks. Now he's still playing that
same way and they don't get that same pressure. So
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guess what that means, big plays giving up?
Speaker 3 (24:04):
Yeah, Yeah, it's.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
Just it's it's it's tough. I see both sides. That's
the thing. Oh Joe, and that's what I tell you. Look, God,
I understand that you want to be away from because
I'm gonna beat o'yo.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
I'm there all.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
I'm there from when we get back in training camp.
I'm gonna get really one week away, that's the bye week.
Other than that, I'm there all of September, October, November, December. Uh, hopefully,
if we're lucky cowboys hadn't been so fortunate all of January.
But I know I'm gonna be there for five months
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and I know you don't want to be there in
the off season rehabit. You're there February, March, April. Guess
what ota start in April? Yeah, damn, I ain't even
get a chance to get a break, O yo. When
they got that kind of money invested in you, when
you got that kind of contract. I'm telling you, this
is the expectations that they have. And you know, there
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you're saying that you're ready to go, because if you're
not there rehabit and you're coming off that serious injury,
you better be on your You bet you better that
thing better be yeah. Hey, you better be able to
do the Tussie roll with that knee and everything you
do Hey, all that.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
God, they're gonna be looking. It's like, bro, why why
why weren't you? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (25:24):
I know one thing, even though he's not ready, he
probably won't be a Dallas cowboy.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
No, I don't see scenario in which he will be
next year.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
Listen, Trayvon, boy, you can see this boy, we come
on that. Come on down to Cincinnati. Boy, you're gonna
love it.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
Don't go down to Cincinnati. They ain't gonna put no pressure.
They're gonna they're worse than think about it. They worse
than the cowboys, Trayvon. And you see what happened in
the secondary in Dallas and Cincinnati.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Worse than them.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
Hey, listen, come on down there, come on. We got
new DJ Turner, Cam Taylor Break. Were gonna add you
to the pot. The more, the better, the more to marry,
help us improve. We'll rank thirty second right now. In defense,
you can come in. We need an impact player. Huh.
We got Trey Hendrickson on that edge.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
He won't be there next year.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
That's huh.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
He won't be there next year.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
Okay, let me, let me, let me pitch my let
me pitch my stuff to Trayvon.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
We don't lie to him and get get him there.
And the people that you say gonna be there are
not gonna be there.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
Right, well, we need an impact player and he can
come back. You chill, rest, get your knee together, come
back next season. Boom. By that time you're gonna be
We're gonna get the Trayvon Diggs. Oh and number seven
is available.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
And you ever call the store and they tell you
they got something. When you get up there, they ain't
got it. Oh, I thought we had it. That's why
I called. Cause you think I would have brought my
ass up here if you didn't have it. I came
up here because you told me you had it. You
could have told me that on the phone that you.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
Didn't have it. And by the way, you know you
didn't have it.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
Now you done got me up here for no god
dam you got me that.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
You got me up here. No, you're not sorry.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
You could have took your ass right behind, gotten from
behind this counter and come back just that.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
Hey, but they'll get slicker with you too. Now. Well, well,
since you're here, you you mind if I show you
something else?
Speaker 2 (27:15):
No sure.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
For me to matter, I walk mass and I walk
up out of here. No, it's like I go, if
I go looking for something, on, do you have the
brown loafers?
Speaker 2 (27:29):
They come back.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
We didn't have the brown, but we got black and
ox blood. I didn't ask for either one of those.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
I ask for brown.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Yeah, well no, if I'd have wanted black or ox blood,
guess what I said, You have a black loafer or
ox blood loafer.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
That's what I would have asked for that.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
Hold on, you just slicked just you just slicked through
that word and there that that sounded like a big
word and that sounded like a color.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Well ox blood, Yeah, what what's that?
Speaker 3 (27:56):
What's that? And you and you get you you getting
real fancy, you getting real fancy.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
Ox blood?
Speaker 3 (28:04):
You know what that means? What color that is? What
part of the fan?
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Reddish?
Speaker 3 (28:08):
Reddish?
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (28:09):
Yeah, why ain't just say red then?
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Because it's not red. It's like a.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
Doctor you there's no need to be fast.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Okay, how about this here we don't have we do
have a kanyac or we have a black How about that?
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Is that better? Kanya?
Speaker 3 (28:28):
Okay? So we talked about shoes, We talk about alcohol,
We talked.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
About shoes, the color shoes, colors, shoes coming kanyak okay,
color dress shoes? Okay, I got you. I got you.
Why don't you Why don't you.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
Just say burgundy?
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Okay? Yeah you?
Speaker 3 (28:50):
Are you real? A? Were you real? Are you faster
at night?
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Okay? What kanyac or burg my bad Burgundy? There you go.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
But I just looked and I get it, My good fer.
You should be one of the happiest men on earth. Yeah, uh,
you're somewhere. I mean, if you didn't feel wanted or
appreciated in Dallas, they gave up one of their better
players and two first round picks for you, and they
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paid you a boatload of money. So I'm not even
worried about Dallas anymore. Yeah, it'd have been great to
finish my career there, but it didn't happen. For whatever reason,
it didn't happen. It didn't happen. Man, Dallas is the
last thing on my mind.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
Yeah, but listen, it might be the last thing on
his mind. But when reporters asked him certain questions, then
he just he's gonna answer it.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
I'll just say, you know what, I'm not there anymore.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
That's not me. I still have great friends in that
locker room.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
I wish them nothing but the best unless they played it,
unless they played the Packers. But other than that, I
don't really care to talk about the Cowboys anymore. Yeah,
you know, we know, we know. First of all, they
don't need to ask Jerry about Michael either. We know
how Jerry feels about Michael. We know how Michael feels
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about Jerry and the Cowboys. It's understood. See what's understood,
don't need to be discussed. I mean, I wouldn't. There
are certain situations you would you Why would you ask
somebody when you already know the answer, right, It's not
just because now you won't clicks. Now you know how
that man feel about the Cowboys. You know how Jerry
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feels about Michael. Yeah, and I'm not I'm not even
I'm not e wasted. I'm not wasting my time even
even having a discussion about that. But it's a situation where,
you know, Diggs, maybe he felt that he was healed.
Maybe he felt that he was he was healed well enough,
O yo. Instead of having to beat in Dallas, he
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could rehab wherever else he was. I don't know where.
I don't know if Dallas is is home. I don't
know where its home. Is, but maybe he had felt
he had progressed to the point that he no longer
needed to be up under their watch. Right, But when
you come back and they give you a physical and
the knee is not where it needs to be, they're
going to feel some type of way because you could
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they their feeling is that you could have been here
and this could have progressed in a positive manner because
at the end of the day, or Joe, we're paying
your money, we gonna get you on the field.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
Now, I'm just saying, I'm just saying.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
I'm saying, I understand all that other stuff that you're saying,
but we trying to get you on the field. Yep,
We're so we got the Steelers re and not Aaron
Rodgers with his former wide receiver Pittsburgh are signing with
vetteran wide receivers mb Is Valdere Scantling, Aaron's former teammate
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with the Packers. Scantling only thirty one years of age.
He began his professional career in Green Bay, playing on.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
The Pack twenty one.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
His twenty twenty season, uh he had six hundred and
ninety receiving yard sixth receiving touchdowns, which are both career highs.
He also said that he also I think he won
two super Bowls. He won two Super Bowls with Mahomes.
If I'm not mistaken, I think he went too super
Bowl with Mahomes.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Oh Joe, you like you like this pick up?
Speaker 3 (32:27):
I mean it's cool, it's cool.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
It's a player.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
It's a player that's familiar with Aaron Rodgers. Aaron Rodgers
also familiar with him. I think he's gonna be fine.
Got another speister, you had more speed, You already got
Calvin Austin, you got DK. Now you ad mvs who
also can run and is a deep threat. He can,
he can, you can stress the defense. So we're gonna
see how he's used, what positions they put him in.
You know, they put him into to make the plays
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and use his skill set to his strengths in helping
that offense. I think I think he's gonna be all right.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
Mm hmm. I think he was there.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
He was He was San Francisco earlier this year and
got released from there. I think he was in Buffalo
last year. So hopefully he finds a home that he
can stick. Like I said, he's only thirty one years
of ages. Kind of bounced around the last couple of years,
but hopefully he can get there and stay for.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
To the end of the season.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
Oh Joe Kendrick Perkins appeared on out the Mud podcast.
He said, I don't f with Joah. You know why
I don't f with jaw The reason I'm so mad
at you. ESPN spent millions of dollars to do an
all access on John Memphis.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
They did that for joh Bro.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
I was like the one that was praising joh We
annointing you as a chosen one, and you f it up.
Guess what, Not only did you make you look bad,
you made me look bad. They recognize you because of
me speaking highly of you. It ain't no coincidence that
you went from having three games on ESPN to fifty two.
Job responded, you know the reason I don't for my
(33:58):
noted riders. You're the reason for my notoriety. Come on,
don you showing a wound f with you out of
with your can hey?
Speaker 3 (34:09):
Well listen, they went from three games and being being
televised because of Job because of his play on the
basketball court. You know, he's very energetic, he's very animated,
plays a buvet he's exciting. He's an exciting player. That
is why people have gravitated in ESPN even want or
to you know, go and do whatever whatever it is
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and spend the millions, you know, to go see him.
John's made some mistakes, some mistakes, yes, some mistakes that
you learned from. He deserves to be in the conversation
when he comes to talk about the better basketball players
in the NBA, then Steph Curry's, the Lebron James, you know,
the Wimby's and Kevin Durants, James Hardens. He belongs in
the conversation with some of the better players in the
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NBA despite him being as young as he is. And listen,
we all make mistakes on I'm sure, I'm sure at
this point he's learned from him. He's not going to
get too many more opportunities to make mistakes of that
magnitude and and and kind of staining the NBA shield.
But I mean, he's on he's on the right path.
He's on the path. He's a dynamic player. And one
(35:14):
of the reasons why he says, this is the reason
what you're doing right now is why don't why don't
mess with you? What you right now, why are you
even conversing?
Speaker 1 (35:21):
And you know that's that's I don't I don't think
to be fair. Perk is not the reason for John's notarioty.
We have to accept responsibility and accountability for our own actions.
Perk having to talk about it on ESPN, as we
all had to do at one point in time. We
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were appointed, we were disappointed when it initially happened, and
so we like, you know what, hey, he a young
I mean, John's twenty one, twenty two, twenty three years
of age, put himself in a bad spot. Let's hope
he learns and grow from it. And the next thing,
you know, guess what, he's back on ig and he
got he got this dick out again. And I'm like,
come on, y'all, you just you just went there after
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you were suspended to begin with, and you went there
and you talked to Adam Silver, and you know, you
gave this man your word. I'm assuming that you gave
him your word that you would not find yourself in
this position again. And so that's what and and we
all had to talk about it. And I think the
thing is what we try not to do is like,
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you know what you're not your worst mistake.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
M H.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
A lot of times that's that's we get labeled. We're
never our best actions, We're just our worst mistake. And
so I think, you know, Look, I don't. I don't
want to speak for Perk. You know, I know Perk obviously,
I know Perk. Perk started out, he was on he
was on Fox, he was undisputed with skipping out, and
then he went to ESPN and and and and and
(36:51):
and carved out a niche for himself. Great, but and
and and maybe maybe is a sitution wah where with
John said, Look, I disagree with what Johwadi says.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Perk is the reason why for his notoriety. Maybe maybe now.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
Like when when we talk about stuff Ojoe, once we
talk about something on here, I'm not going on Twitter
to try to to try to highlight it again. Yeah,
I'm done with it. Once I talk about it here,
we talk about the show, I'm done with it. I'm
not having a conversation with anybody else about that situation.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
I'm done with it.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
I've already said what I would, I've already said what
I felt I needed to say on that situation. Uh,
but it's tough. It's really tough, Ojo. In this business.
If you have relationships and somebody that you have a
relationship with, they mess up.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
Because now people are sitting there, liked, is here what
you're gonna say? You bought it? Messed up?
Speaker 1 (37:49):
You ain't say nothing, yea waiting Yeah, I mean, it's
like it's like that's what they're waiting. They wait, They're
waiting on to hear you say something. So for the
most part, I just try to like, if I have
a relationship or I speak to someone, I don't really
say anything about it.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
Now, little Lebron situation.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
Everybody knows how I feel about Lebron so far, the
so and so, they automatically assume that I'm kicking it.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
With Lebron up in brent Wood, and any time he
had an event, I'm there. I'm not.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
People just choose to overlook what I call broad out
or I criticize something that he's done. They overlook that, oh,
the clutch checks must not be coming no more. The
director posit ain't gonna hit no more.
Speaker 4 (38:34):
Bro. No.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
I just if he's right, he's right. If he's wrong,
he's wrong. It's simply it ain't no more than that clutch.
Don't send me no checks. I was I was employed
by I was employed by Fox and undisputed I was
employed by ESPN.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
Now have we Oh yo, we have our own thing.
That's it, nothing more, nothing less.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
Y'all try to make it out to be that because
if I criticize, broad is the checks. If I don't criticize,
Oh see, now you talked about this, you talked about that. No,
it's what that's what in this space. That's what you
have to do. It's like, oh, jo, if I'm a fireman,
oh you in that building to put that fire. You
ain't going this building to put that fire.
Speaker 3 (39:14):
What kind of bull job is that?
Speaker 2 (39:16):
I'm a fireman? So when you when you do we do.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
We have to talk about certain things we just do
and you want me to give my honest opinion, my
honest take on certain things. It's not about a like
or dislike because I don't know the guys well enough
to have an opinion one way or another. All I'm
talking about is the guys are on the court, the
basketball player. Now, when we dealt with y'all, we had
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to talk about the gun and the club and the
ig stuff like that. We had to talk about that
because that wasn't basketball related. But for the most part,
where we critique and analyze, we keep it on the
field unless they do something off the field and we
have to talk about it. But trust me, I've never
gone to a producer, be it at ESPN B. Yeah,
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AT's say oh, oh, I want to talk about this.
We talk about it. We talk about it. If we don't,
we don't. I'm good either way. That way, I don't
really get involved in the topics. I talk about anything.
I can talk about it on this because I followed
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I followed football close enough, I followed basketball close enough.
I follow the things that where I feel we're gonna
talk about oh Joe, close enough that I could have
but an intelligent, honest conversation about it without making it personal. Right,
Oh you did this. I never I never called for
a video of Russ and his bloopers. Y'all get mad
at me talking about what it was. No, it was
(40:47):
Russ hit the top of the backboard. It was Russ
the Arabauty. All we did was all I did was.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
Was talk about it.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
Oh if that's what I did, Just like when he
got the trip of doubles, when we was talking about
was getting a triple double and we were highlighting him,
nobody had a problem. So what you want us to
do when he's not playing well, or he's not and
he's turning the ball over? Should we not talk about it?
Speaker 4 (41:11):
Right?
Speaker 3 (41:13):
That's how it works.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
When Tom Brady played good, I had no problem saying
Tom Brady played good. But when Tom played bad, it
was I had to say he played bad. When Peyton
Manning played bad, When Aaron Rodgers played bad, when Patrick Mahomes,
when Tony Romo, you just do it now, I understand
when you look at it like, oh you said this,
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but you ain't say this about the black guy.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
You said it? Really, dude? Is that where we are
right down? That's what we're doing. I look at the play.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
I don'ld say, oh that black guy threw a touchdown,
Oh the white guy caught the touch.
Speaker 2 (41:53):
Probably, like, bro, what are you doing?
Speaker 3 (41:57):
I mean, listen to those two. They got to get it.
They gotta get it, get it fixed. Maybe maybe maybe
they won't. But obviously if they don't fix it, I
think maybe the takes on the takes as far as
you know, Kendrick Perkins, Perkins, when it comes to talking
about John Moran, you have to be fair, you know,
and that's fair, uh ninety eight percent of the time
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when you do talk about Jaw, his play is gonna do,
is gonna speak volumes. It's gonna speak volumes. In the
whole notoriety comment. Jaw was gonna be job regardless, no matter,
no matter re win, no matter what NBA team he
was playing for. He could have been down there in Shanghai.
He was gonna make ESPN in Shanghai. ESPN was gonna
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travel to Shanghai to go feature and show everything he
had been doing because he is box office. He's one
of those type of players that puts butts in the seats.
That's just who he is based on his skill set,
his makeup, his DNA, that's just who he is. So
I mean, no one is responsible for that outside of
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the INDIVI himself.
Speaker 1 (43:01):
Yeah yeah, but you know know theariety is infamous is
that you're known for things that you would like not to.
Speaker 2 (43:08):
Be known for. Y'all did that.
Speaker 1 (43:14):
DeAndre Aiden is trying to stay motivated on the court
and revealed that several of his teammates have made it
a habit to troll him off the court as motivational tactics.
They all have their own little things to get my
head all mixed up. Austin Reeves is my guy, Luca
is my guy, but my wings and my forwards. Yeah,
they be trying to get me ticked off before these
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games just to get me rolling. I'm starting to see
it as a trend because I don't get a break
until we're on the court that it's all seriousness. I'm like, Oh,
this is the thing y'all want me to do. Y'all
want me to get your on age, y'all want me
to be fired up.
Speaker 4 (43:49):
I like it.
Speaker 1 (43:50):
Dudes really care on Sunday night, the big mentality twenty
two points and grab fifteen boards. So maybe it's work
they working to night because I think they lose in
new Portland right now.
Speaker 3 (44:02):
Listen the funny thing about it. Listen, he's been a
part of the locker room for a very long time.
Anything that happens to you on or off the court,
you know the jokes are coming. The jokes are gonna
fly always. And then this, whether it be a motivating,
motivating tactic or not, they're going to make fun of
any situations that you have as long as it was
nothing that was harmful. Oh, them jokes w gonna fly you.
(44:24):
You've been in the locker rooms now still to this day,
certain things, certain jokes still fly that that resonate, and
then stuff happens to you that's gonna stay with you forever.
You know, and and your teammates, man, they gonna make
fun of it all the goddamn time.
Speaker 2 (44:42):
Oh Joe, what happened? Can you explain this to me?
What happened?
Speaker 1 (44:46):
How does a guy making one hundred plus million dollars
need motivating?
Speaker 3 (44:52):
I mean, hey, hey, well it's different now, you know
that this NBA nine. Sometimes you get that kind of
money and you relax and you sit down. There are
very few that make make a hundred million and still
play the game like they ain't got a dollar to
their name. They are very few. Again, I'm gonna say
it again. You've seen it before in football. Now, I
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can't really make a test to it when it comes
to basketball, but you can because that's something that you
love and are passionate about. But think about how many
players in the NFL that you've seen get paid and
all of a sudden they disappeared. Now they out there
they on the roster, but the play, which is the
reason why they got the money they got. For some reason,
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it just disappears. The hungry, the hunger of the drive
they want.
Speaker 2 (45:40):
To eventually to wear off.
Speaker 1 (45:43):
I can motivate you by fear, I can motivate you
by money, but the only thing that's sustainable is self motivation.
So eventually, ojo, I can make up crack all the
jokes I want. Yeah, I can pay you all the
money that I want. I can put fear that I'm
gonna really. Obviously, in basketball, the money guaranteed. So once
you give him, once he signs his name on the
contract and you sign your name on the contract, it
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it doesn't mean anything because you can't scare him anymore.
But if a guy that's not self motivated, ain't nothing
you can do.
Speaker 3 (46:13):
But also too, when you're in that kind of environment,
it's only fifteen guys, you're playing as the Lakers, one
of the best franchises of all time. You understand the
legacy that they have, They've won multiple championships. You you
don't want to let those guys down on everybody's watching you. Now,
that's all the motivation you need. The money at the
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motivation At this point, you're playing for the Los Angeles Lakers.
Speaker 4 (46:40):
What happened?
Speaker 1 (46:41):
There's fifteen guys in every locker room and he wasn't
motivated in Phoenix. He wasn't motivated in Portland. What makes
you think he's gonna come and be motivated in LA?
Speaker 3 (46:50):
I just told you where's he playing. He's playing in
LA It's different than playing in Portland. It's different than
playing in Phoenix.
Speaker 1 (46:58):
Tell me the difference between the polar bear that's an
Antarctica and when that's in the zoo in San Diego.
Other than his environment, he's still a polar bear.
Speaker 4 (47:07):
I like that.
Speaker 3 (47:07):
That's a good one.
Speaker 2 (47:08):
I like that.
Speaker 1 (47:10):
So I understand what the Lakers brand is. I understand
what it represents. But at the end of the day,
that just happened to be the same individual that the
other two places that was in a better brand.
Speaker 2 (47:22):
He hasn't changed. Nothing about him is changed.
Speaker 3 (47:26):
How's this game so far? I know it's early in
the season. How's he been playing? Good?
Speaker 2 (47:30):
Huh?
Speaker 3 (47:31):
This is the Laker needed a big man? Is he
the answer? That was the problem? Last year? It was
too small? Is he the answer?
Speaker 2 (47:39):
What's the question?
Speaker 3 (47:45):
Is he the big man that the Laker needed. Is
he the answer?
Speaker 1 (47:51):
Laker big man are normally motivated. That's why they're known
for the big Man mic and in Minneapolis to will
to kareem to show.
Speaker 2 (48:04):
Okay, I don't get it. Some things ain't for me.
Speaker 1 (48:13):
It's not for me to understand everything. I don't understand
because I think the thing is that we work. So
you work so hard to get into a position, O Joe,
and then now you get there because think about you
had to be I mean, maybe you're so immensely talented
that seven foot seven foot.
Speaker 2 (48:28):
I mean, they're probably only they're probably maybe one.
Speaker 1 (48:31):
Hundred people in the world of eight billion people that's
seven foot tall and taller.
Speaker 3 (48:36):
So you know eight and seven feet tall too.
Speaker 2 (48:39):
Yeah, he's damn yeah.
Speaker 1 (48:44):
So I think the thing is for me, ojo because
I had to work so hard. I'm a very motivated
I'm a very self driven person.
Speaker 3 (48:52):
Yeah, you're different mentally, I am. Everybody's not wired that way.
Speaker 2 (48:58):
No, you're right, that's what That's what makes it. That's
why I couldn't coach everybody.
Speaker 1 (49:04):
Oh you're a coach is dreamed all my employers. Man,
you're you're a dream I'm gonna be prepared, I'm gonna
do my work. I'm gonna go home.
Speaker 2 (49:11):
That's it. That's all I want to do.
Speaker 3 (49:13):
That's why you need to coach.
Speaker 1 (49:16):
We'll get the based on because you got Shaye and
Luca and you got Steph. That's three guards right there. Now,
one of those guys gonna I mean, Luca normally leads,
uh but but now they just.
Speaker 2 (49:31):
Go front court and back court. So so he would
have to get selected. And then you got.
Speaker 1 (49:43):
Man so ant Man, Shay, Luca, Steph. I don't think
he's more popular than any of those guys. So it's
gonna have to be. It's gonna have to be at
the coach's discretion. Marlene's five oh yo, when with the
last time you guys been to a rodeo. I ain't
never been to a rodeos. That's a good question unless
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they talk about rodeo.
Speaker 3 (50:07):
Matter of fact, the last time I went to the
rodeo was down here in d Luke, Georgia, when I
rolled the PBR bull Dejah Blue. Yeah, that was my
last time at the rodeo, and I told I told
the PBR that obviously I would love to make riding
bulls a hobby that I would take. I would take
that professional actually serious. And they told me, you know,
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we're gonna look into it after football season is over.
So I might get back in the bull right now.
Speaker 2 (50:34):
You shouldn't.
Speaker 1 (50:36):
James Rabella, Oh yeah, O Jo, I U the Laker,
arride with you. We can get some good steaks, some cigars.
Fifty seven hundred, No, it's fifty nine hundred. Tim's being said, Oh, Joe,
can you guys wish my wife Natasha?
Speaker 4 (50:54):
What is it?
Speaker 1 (50:56):
Natassia, Nata, Natassia, happy birthday. We've been together eleven years.
She was in an accident a few weeks back, so
I'm grateful to be celebrating this one with her. Absolutely, Natassia,
Happy birthday. You, hubby, guy's been together eleven years. He
wanted to let you know he wanted you to celebrate
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this day. That you know that it's special, but he
wanted to take a special time to celebrate because he
realized just how fortunate it is to have you in
his life and mentioned that you were in an accident.
Hopefully everything's okay and you guys get to spend some
extra time loving on each other.
Speaker 2 (51:37):
Tell thank you, brother. So much Brouh. I greatly appreciate
you following us and oh you.
Speaker 1 (51:42):
And I are very very very very grateful to have
you as a subscriber and a member that follows us routinely.
But we want to wish you and your wife with
her happy birthday. He'll up soon. That concludes this episode
of Nightcap. We want to thank you for joining us us.
The Chiefs use a strong three straight scoring possessions in
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the second half to break.
Speaker 2 (52:05):
The game open. They win going away very comfortably.
Speaker 1 (52:08):
Mahomes two hundred and ninety nine passing yards three touchdowns,
but he did have two interceptions. They ran them all
extremely well as they dominate the second half and they
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Speaker 3 (53:29):
Love you guys,
After my Broncos ran over the Cowboys yesterday for one
hundred and seventy nine yards and Bowl next throwing for
two seventy four and four touchdowns, Jerry Jones gave a brutal,
honest quote about his Cowboys. I don't know. I don't
know what's realistic. Could one better player if we didn't
pay too big of a price, have a better player
on defense?
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Possibly help.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
I'm not trying to be cute, but that's where you
go get help because you think that you could go
get help for your defense. Are we one player away
on defense? I think we're not. I think we're more
than than that. But we're closer than it looks in
my mind. Is executing better on defense?
Speaker 2 (00:40):
O cho? Yeah? Now this is what I don't get.
The reports are that he.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Inquired about Trey Hendrickson from the Bengals.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
What I don't get.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Who had michaeh that's four years younger than Trey, right,
But you say no to that. Now, if you signed,
if you signed Miles Garrett, what you got back You're
gonna have to give up more to get a player
like Miles Garrett than what you got.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
For Michael Parsons.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, absolutely something. Maybe maybe he wasn't thinking
because Jerry Jones did say they were better off defensively
with Michael Parson going.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
You said that it was a lie, he told it.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Yeah, you said when Kenny Clark came, it makes your
defense better. And you also said, well we were no
closer to winning Super Bowl with Michael Parsons, So what's
gonna be the difference when he's not here? M hm.
So all those things are now coming back to haunts
you because now your defense is thirty first in the league,
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right above us.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
But I always thought that would.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
I think the thing is chose that you look at
because they didn't have another player opposite of Michael who
will see he.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Got Rashan Gary.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Now, so now he has somebody that can if you don't,
if you don't double Bichah, he's gonna get you. If
you don't double Michael, he gonna get your quarterback. He's
gonna pressure your quarterback. So now, right now, team's got
more concerned about Michah than they are Rashan Gary. Gary
is getting a lot of one on one and he's winning.
I think he's probably up there close to his total
(02:18):
for his career high. I think his career high is
like nine. He's gonna have double digit. I can see
a scenario he has thirteen fourteen sacks, and that's because
of the guy that's opposite of him. But I think
a lot of this had to do with egos. I think,
you know, Jerry wanted to draw a line in the sand.
He didn't like the way the negotiation was going. He
felt he had a deal with Michael. When Michael shuk
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his hand and X, Y and Z, he said, Michael
called the meeting. Michael said he wanted to meet with him,
he wanted to talk to him, and he thought that,
you know, he thought one thing, Michael thought another thing,
and from that point on, Jerry was done. Jared was
not gonna do And Jerry made it bundantly clear, if
you play in Dallas this year, you're going to play
under your current contract. No, there is no contract extension.
(03:00):
You're going to play with on your on your rookie deal.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Hey, and you understand that, especially when he's handled other
other contracts, waiting until the last minute to get him done,
making those players wait as well. And it doesn't You're
You're not special, You're not any more special than that.
You're not any more special than Zeke, you know, not
any more special than CD Lamb. So when he and
one thing about Jerry, he's one of the few owners
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that you're not for the bully. No, you're not for
the you're not for the bully. Me I'm I'm I
am the program.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Yeah, I think in that situation on jo Jerry is
a guy, you got to make him feel good. Yeah, Jered,
you know, I really want to be here X Y
and Z, so forth and so on. And like I said,
the number that he got, Jerry wasn't willing to go there,
but Jerry were at the time. I guess it was
gonna be a number bigger than what Micah, excuse me,
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what Miles Garrett got. So it's gonna be something around there.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Now.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Was he gonna go in the blind and play forty
seven million? Hell no, when the highest when the highest
contract at that time for a defensive player was a
Nick Bosa at around thirty two thirty three million. And
you mean to tell me you're gonna have somebody go
thirteen fourteen more million per year than the highest paid
(04:20):
And y'all, no, absolutely not so, Jared felt he made
a very good, a very compelling offer that he was
willing to go. Make him the highest paid, give him
forty million dollars a year annually. And I don't know
what the guarantee was. But when that, when that fell through,
Jared was no longer interested in and and and dealing
with it.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
He wasn't budgeted, he wasn't ecuse me, he was set.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
This is what I offered. I'm not going a penny more. Yeah,
this is it.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
And like you said, now, because everything that was going
wrong before, you know, oh you know, we didn't do
this when Michael was here, and Michael couldn't stop the
run and y'allah blah, y'all, y'all, it was a lot
of Micah. I ain't heard him mentioned Michael lately. You're
running through you. You can't.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
You can't mention them. And and listen, Michael Parsons, whether
they were running through you or not. When he was there,
he was an impact player. He changed He can change
the trajectory of a game at any point. He get
any games at any point. He is a massive destructor
all four quarters. Now you don't have that, you don't
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have that.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
No, look that the liebackers aren't that good. Uh, your corners,
I mean, Bland is your best corner. You know, Diggs
is out, he's on our so you got backups in there.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Uh, I think Hooker is injured. They just that they don't.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
I mean, they just don't have guys that can shut
the you know, turn the lights out of the place.
And that's what when Dallas was successful. When Dallas was
when they had that, they had that at every level.
You know, they had a kid Norton, they had had
Darren Woodson, and they had a Time and they had
a Haley and they had those guys.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
They don't have that now, Yeah, they don't have that.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
They don't.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Offensively, they're they're they're mentally talent, They're they're inconsistent.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
They're inconsistent. The Broncos have a really good defense.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
They do.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
The Broncos have a really good defense.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
And if you are what you say you are defense offensively,
that should you should welcome that challenge. You should welcome
that challenge. I thought the Broncos played an unbelievable ball game. Look,
I knew the Broncos. I thought the Broncos would struggle
a little more defensively than what they struggled with the
Cowboys than what they did with the Cowboys offense. I
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knew the Cowboys offense wasn't gonna be able to no, no,
because they're because they're they're not that good on that
side of the football, and they haven't been that good
on that side.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Of the football for the extended period of time.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
And because of the way they're built, they're built to
play with a lead. If they don't go Look at
the Cowboys when they don't have a lead. Got those
small guys, O yoe. Small guys don't held up well
against the run.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
Yeah, they undersized, they underside. But one thing they can do,
they can run. Boy, they can run sideline and sideline.
But when you come down hill at.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Them, I ain't I ain't trying to go outside. I'm
trying to go right down here. I'm trying to go
right down ninety five. I don't want nothing. I don't
want nothing. I don't want nothing with three letters with
three numbers in it, because that's the loot. I'm going
north and south and and and that's that's what That's
what the Cowboys are like.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
And they lack size, they like they lack a hair. Race.
You gotta have a you gotta have you need one.
Oh Joe, you got you got to have a dog.
You need one.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
For any team to succeed. I know we talk about
we talk about skill set. I know we always talk
about high character guys. You know, and all this these
hey all that. You need three dogs at the three
key positions that can change the game. You need a
dog that's a quarterback. You need a dog that on
that front foor somewhere either detack of the defensive end.
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And you need a dog at receiver. Sometimes you get lucky,
you get your dog at running back.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
But the three those are the three most important places
where you need a guy. You need that guy, the
guy that can change defense and the dynamic of your offense. Man,
stop playing. Oh you know he's not that good. He's
a high character guy. Yeah, okay, get your man right.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
It's gonna be interesting to see what the Broncos does
moving forward, because PS two is gonna be down for it.
That look like he might be placed on R because
he can shut down. He he is sensational, he's amazing,
and he allow he allowed Coop and those other guys
to eat Bonito Allen those guys Straan. Uh, they do
a great job. Hey, we got a very special guest
(09:03):
joining us right now.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
You see what's up up like you rob something.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
No, I'm just comfortable, man.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Okay, welcome to the show. Ramp Safety Cam, Curl Cam.
How you doing man, I'm.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
Doing good, and I appreciate you all for having.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Appreciate you coming on the bye week. You guys are
coming off the bye week. So what did cam do
in this bye week?
Speaker 2 (09:25):
So what so?
Speaker 1 (09:25):
So take us through your bye week. You had the
whole week off, so you got out of town boom.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
No, I ain't even believe. I ain't gonna lie. I
stayed here.
Speaker 5 (09:33):
I was tired, okay, because we did all that traveling
like Baltimore.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
That whole week.
Speaker 5 (09:39):
Yeah, when we traveled to London and play like within
like that certain amount of time. So I was really
all right from all the traveling and we ain't get
I ain't get home till like Monday, two thirty in
the morning, damn. Like I slept all Monday Tuesday. I
went to the city a few days, you know what
I'm saying. But I just spent time with the family,
really just trying to let my body rest.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Okay, you ain't do nothing outside of that though, like
to get away, just to get away from the game
of football.
Speaker 5 (10:06):
I mean yeah, like you know, I take the kids
to the park and stuff, like you know what I'm saying,
Like just a little little stuff.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
I ain't do nothing crazy.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Crazy, Yeah, Like you guys are number one, the first,
your first red zone, defensive touchdowns allowed, thirty points allowed,
eighth and takeaways. What do you think the biggest reason
you guys are having such success on the defensive side
of the football.
Speaker 5 (10:27):
I mean, I feel like the system we got in
the scheme we got, it's built around our players, and
what we were able to do is like it's built
for our skill set. And you know, we've been in
this systems our second you're going on in the system,
so we all comfortable with each other, especially in the secondary,
Like this is the first place, like the first time
i'd seen Leu's bring back a whole like secondary unit.
(10:48):
You know what I'm saying. Yeah, usually every year the
room changes, you know what I'm saying. But you know,
since we did that, that just helps us play even
faster because we more comfortable each other and you know know,
how each other play.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
Yeah, and now that you are in your second year
other's defense, how comfortable are you?
Speaker 2 (11:07):
You know?
Speaker 5 (11:09):
I mean I'm real comfortable, Like I'm real comfortable with
how Shula cars game, and I'm real comfortable with with
all my teammates, you know what I'm saying. And I
just like flying around those guys like we have to
make him plays, you know what I'm saying. You know,
trying to keep doing that.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Hey, does your coach, your defensive coordinator do does he
allow you the freedom to do things off script that
really really isn't part of X and those But because
you're the one out there on the field and playing
the game and you have a feel for stuff, can
you go off script and do stuff based on what
you've seen on film?
Speaker 5 (11:39):
I mean, you know, as long as you make the play,
you know what I'm saying, ain't gonna be too mad.
But now they do emphasize on us not being robots
though you know what I'm saying, They don't want to
teach the football instances away from us, you know what
I'm saying. So he listens, he let's just play how
we play. You know what I'm saying. We're gonna always
go within the scheme, you know, in the play call.
But you know he lets us go out there and
fly around.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Okay, you're known for your physical style of play. How
did you get the how do you get the nickname?
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Cam Bam?
Speaker 4 (12:06):
Uh? I got that name? Like in high school it
was a I ain't gonna lie.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
You know.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
The females used to call me that. You know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (12:14):
Oh, but yeah, no, you know, you know I bring
that boom on the field too.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
You know what I'm saying. You know rhymes, you know,
but like, yeah, it's just it's just a little nickname.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Hey, let me let me I got I got a
question for you since they call you cam Bam and
you and you knowing for you know, coming down here
coming to the party. You you think you think you
would have been able to hit me if you were playing,
Like if I just happened to be in this area,
you think you would hit me? Yeah? Like, hey, hold
on you laughing? You see you think about, Hey, you're
a little thing. Man, I'm two twenty. What you talk
(12:50):
about then?
Speaker 4 (12:51):
What you what you're waying? Back then?
Speaker 3 (12:53):
Back then I was two thirty.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
All right, all right, you got it? If you two
thirty then you got it.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
Yeah, I would have ran through you. But don't, man,
don't do that. Don't do that. Don't do that.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
With you.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
What was some of the factors what was so appealing
for you with signing with the Rams.
Speaker 5 (13:12):
Well, honestly, like off the bat, just you know, Sean
y Vay, you know what I'm saying, just even before
I got here, just seeing him from Afar and you know,
hearing things about him and watching his interviews and stuff
like that's just off the bat, like a guy you
want to play football for. You know, It's just the
type of guy he is. And you know, I knew
it was a winning coachure here. You know, they just
(13:32):
won the Super Bowl not too long ago, you know
what I'm saying. You know, they always get into the playoffs,
you know, So it was just it felt like the
right fit.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (13:41):
It's a bunch of young, hungred guys on the on
the defensive side with some stuff to prove, and you know,
I felt like I fit right in.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
You came in the league kind of like I came
in the league. I was self around draft pick. I
was one ninety two, your self around draft pick, and
I never felt.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Like I made it.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
I feel like I had to go out there every
single year and reprove myself that, like I gotta give
them one reason. And I always keet this mindset I
gotta get when I went to practice camp, I would
I say, I gotta give him one reason.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
To keep me.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Just one, man. You see that rock shop ran, man,
you see that catch that he made. You see how
he picked up that blip. Just one.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
I needed one reason for him to say, yeah, we
gotta keep him another day. What was your mindset coming in?
You got a seventh round draft pick, but the commanders,
what was your mindset? Because you know, normally seventh round
picks don't camp bodies. They just they just hey, they
need somebody to fill out the roster. They really tried,
they really try to give it. No look, but you
got to see me because I'm gonna make you look no.
Speaker 5 (14:40):
In fact, na my mindset. I mean I knew getting
drafted in the seventh round. Like I was just talking
to myself, like, you know, I gotta take everything to
the next level, you know what I'm saying, just to
try to make this team. You know, coming in because
I was the only rookie dB. They had picked up
the whole like draft process. You know, they ain't pick
no fraids up and nothing. So I was the only
rookie dB in the room. So like it's like I'm
(15:01):
going against vets. I'm competing against vets, you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
People already being in. So I just know how to
take everything to the next level.
Speaker 5 (15:08):
And you know, all my vets there back then in
twenty twenty season, like they really brought me in, you
know what I'm saying, and showed me the way, and
I just sat back washing them and learned and you know,
started making plays.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Yeah, you look being in too different. Look Washington, LA.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
How similar or how different are the defensive systems that
where you were in DC compared to what you are
in right now in LA.
Speaker 4 (15:34):
I feel like it's a it's a difference.
Speaker 5 (15:36):
I feel like in Washington it was more of like
you know, like a like a straightforward this is.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
What we're doing.
Speaker 5 (15:42):
You know what I'm saying, We're not really we wasn't
really doing no disguising. Like you know, man, like you.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Just going out there. You ain't got no ski mask,
you ain't got nothing.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
You ain't got no dark You're just going like that's
how there real is though, Like.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
You know, like I know, Jack, We're gonna put your position.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
You gotta make the play, you know. That's all that matters.
Speaker 5 (16:04):
And I feel like this Rams defense, it's it's a
it's a way more complex defense, you know what I'm saying.
We run tons of different coverages, Like it's subages that
I'm I'm learning about this year. I didn't even know
it was coverage, you know what I'm saying. So it's
a real complex defense and it fits us because we
got real smart players on our defense, you know what
I'm saying, that can think on the fly, you know
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what I'm saying, And we communicate very well, like this defense,
communication is key for sure.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
And it's funny when you talk about defenses being very
complex and you're able to do more with the defense
when you had the right players with the right skill
set and can communicate. It brings me back to that
two thousand Ravens, that two thousand and early two thousand
Steelers defense. But KC, they used to run defenses that
wasn't even on film. They weren't on film, and people
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were always out of position. But they were so good
with a great understanding of being able to communicate and
when the ball snaps, they'll fly back through exactly where
they're supposed to be at. But it was so confusing
for me as an offensive player. So the fact that
you guys are able to do that, to run complex
stuff that you really don't see on film. You really
don't know what's coming. And keep an offense thinking all
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the time, especially at the snap and after the snap
of the ball, you're always having an advantage, always have
an advantage defensively for sure.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Man, Cam, I'm looking at you. Guys are schedules. You
got the Saints, Niners, Seahawks, Bucks, Panthers, Cars, Lions, Seahawks, Falcons, Cardinals. Damn,
y'all got a lot of birds up in there, the Seahawks,
the Cardinals, the Seahawks, the Falcons, the Cardinals. Y'all will
trying to put some of these birds out their misery.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
Yeah, yeah, we're gonna do that for something.
Speaker 5 (17:42):
Man.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
That's the.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
Speaking of man. What has it been like, man to
watch Pook and the cool Man and Davonte Adams Man,
Davonte still, I know, you know, we talk about some
of the best receivers in the game. You know, they
mentioned Jamar Chase and Justin Jefferson, you know JSN and
some of those, those those younger guys. But to me,
Devonte Adams is still the best rock runner in the league.
Speaker 5 (18:04):
Like with him, But it's crazy, man, just starting off
like a practice, just watching them every day at practice
and being able to go against those type of guys
every day, Like it makes this a lot better as
a defense because every every team you're not seeing that
every day every day.
Speaker 4 (18:22):
So that's that's just making us better.
Speaker 5 (18:23):
And then the ad Matthew Stafford in the mix with
those two, like it's crazy, but like it's just it's
amazing to see in practice with us.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
And it's hard to like, why follow the quarterback eyes
and Matthew Stafford looking over here and he throwing the
ball over there? Throw the ball over here. You're like, coach,
why you go there? Because he was looking over that quarterback.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
Guys he doing that to some practice too. It's not
just do it.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Too hey when we saw it on the tape because
in the game, you didn't know it because I was
at the Super Bowl when he threw When he did
that in the Super Bowl when he threw a he
was looking like this here and he threw the ball
and Cooper Cup ended up catching it. It was right
by because the linebacker was dead right if he looks
at if the linebacker is gonna pick it.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
But because he was looking over here and.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
He threw it, he's like, oh here in the throat, like, oh,
my goodnesses.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
That right off his head. Hold.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
That was nice. That's crazy.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
We see that every day. Man, it's crazy.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
To what And you know coach Yard still a receiver.
Coach hu yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that was my coach
at Oregon State.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
Really yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
Yard is a cool dude.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
Man, my guy, Man, that's my guy.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
Well, Cam, thanks for joining us tonight, man, best of luck,
continued success, stay healthy, and hey, you guys got a
nice little schedule coming up. But hey, you done got
your bye week, you get your second win. Now it's
time to hey, time to go finish the task.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
Sir, already. I appreciate you all for having man, thanks
you for coming on.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Appreciate it. Enjoy the rest of the evening.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
Man.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Oh yall, wow, michaeh. He just can't let it go.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Last night, he blasted how the Cowboys have treated Trayvon Diggs.
He told Joy Epstein of Yahoo's Sports. Honestly, I feel
like they f my dog over, you know what I mean.
He's coming off a catastrophic knee injury, and I just
think they did they did right by him. I don't
think that. I didn't think they did right by him.
He didn't participate in all camp. He's going out there
playing Week one and two, and I just think you
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don't do that. I just don't think you do that
to a player like that, and the type of knee
injury that he had, they forced him out there. He
has no reps. Really, he's telling me he was in
warm up phase during the week one though, even with
the ramp up. I just feel like, just don't do that.
I just feel like they screwed him over. The organization
let him down, you know what I mean, if you
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just don't do that to a player, and I think
it was mad wrong and I just pray for him.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
Now.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
You know, Michaeh and Trayvon are really really good friends.
He's echoing what trayvond relaid to him.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
What he can't say itself.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
What he can't say, I tell Michael Michael ain't here, Michael,
you'll say it.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
I can see where Michael is coming from Austin coming
off of injury like that also, but you have to
think on the cowboys in well, if you're coming off
of injury, you know, why don't you why don't you
be here with us? Why don't you rehab with us?
So we can we can, Hey, we can watch you
and we can dictate how far.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Along you are.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
But when you're not here, we don't know.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Yeah, you don't know.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
So when you do come back, you know, but we
think you're ready because you're taking care of your business
away from the facility, you know, doing it your way
with your own doctors or whatever you may have it.
So now we don't we don't, We don't know. So
when you come back here, we expecting you to be ready. Yes,
So that's where that comes from. And putting him out
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there if he's not ready, Now you come back and say,
oh you're not ready and use out there doing things.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
Your wait and you weren't here. If you're here and
you're not ready, that's one thing. You're there and you're
not ready because you know we can we can update it. Okay,
the progress Jared gonna come as the trainers. How far
along is Trayvon?
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Will he be able to go week one? Do we
need to put him on the pump list? What do
we need to do? Well, you're telling us if you're
not here training, that you're on schedule, and so you
no longer need our training staff because you believe the
training that you have is gonna put you in a
position to be where you need to be. Right and
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when they got that kind of money tied up in you, ah,
it's gonna be.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
Yeah, it's tough. It's tough, which is why they took
that five hundred thousand from me. Yes, well you don't
want to Okay, we know what. Let it. Let let
us recoup some of this, Let us get some of
this back. They can give you a better understanding on
how serious we are and how upset we are that
you're not taking the owners and getting yourself prepared for
the season upcoming season. Here in the faciit where we
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can document and keep tabs on how far along you
have to go, so we know what to do, so
we know that on our end.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
So I think the thing is o Joe is that
they put him out there. If I know he's not helped.
I put him out there. I'm gonna make it look bad.
So that way, when we release him, ain't nobody gonna
feel me.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Man.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
You see how my man played. Yeah, listen, and he
had a bad injury. Yeah, I don't know if it's
the same because he towards a cl and then he
had another I don't know if it's the same ash.
Was it the same need that he towards a clo
wasn't a different knee? But in any case, you know,
he had two injuries, two knee injuries in the last
two years. That's how you asked him an awful lot,
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Ojo asking an awful lot. And here's the thing, he's
predicated he's gonna take risk. You can take those risks
when you have a defensive line that can put pressure.
When you had Michael and you had d Law playing
at extremely high levels that was collapse in the pocket,
you could take those risks. Now he's still playing that
same way and they don't get that same pressure. So
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guess what that means, big plays giving up?
Speaker 3 (24:04):
Yeah, Yeah, it's.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
Just it's it's it's tough. I see both sides. That's
the thing. Oh Joe, and that's what I tell you. Look, God,
I understand that you want to be away from because
I'm gonna beat o'yo.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
I'm there all.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
I'm there from when we get back in training camp.
I'm gonna get really one week away, that's the bye week.
Other than that, I'm there all of September, October, November, December. Uh, hopefully,
if we're lucky cowboys hadn't been so fortunate all of January.
But I know I'm gonna be there for five months
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and I know you don't want to be there in
the off season rehabit. You're there February, March, April. Guess
what ota start in April? Yeah, damn, I ain't even
get a chance to get a break, O yo. When
they got that kind of money invested in you, when
you got that kind of contract. I'm telling you, this
is the expectations that they have. And you know, there
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you're saying that you're ready to go, because if you're
not there rehabit and you're coming off that serious injury,
you better be on your You bet you better that
thing better be yeah. Hey, you better be able to
do the Tussie roll with that knee and everything you
do Hey, all that.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
God, they're gonna be looking. It's like, bro, why why
why weren't you? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (25:24):
I know one thing, even though he's not ready, he
probably won't be a Dallas cowboy.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
No, I don't see scenario in which he will be
next year.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
Listen, Trayvon, boy, you can see this boy, we come
on that. Come on down to Cincinnati. Boy, you're gonna
love it.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
Don't go down to Cincinnati. They ain't gonna put no pressure.
They're gonna they're worse than think about it. They worse
than the cowboys, Trayvon. And you see what happened in
the secondary in Dallas and Cincinnati.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Worse than them.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
Hey, listen, come on down there, come on. We got
new DJ Turner, Cam Taylor Break. Were gonna add you
to the pot. The more, the better, the more to marry,
help us improve. We'll rank thirty second right now. In defense,
you can come in. We need an impact player. Huh.
We got Trey Hendrickson on that edge.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
He won't be there next year.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
That's huh.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
He won't be there next year.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
Okay, let me, let me, let me pitch my let
me pitch my stuff to Trayvon.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
We don't lie to him and get get him there.
And the people that you say gonna be there are
not gonna be there.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
Right, well, we need an impact player and he can
come back. You chill, rest, get your knee together, come
back next season. Boom. By that time you're gonna be
We're gonna get the Trayvon Diggs. Oh and number seven
is available.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
And you ever call the store and they tell you
they got something. When you get up there, they ain't
got it. Oh, I thought we had it. That's why
I called. Cause you think I would have brought my
ass up here if you didn't have it. I came
up here because you told me you had it. You
could have told me that on the phone that you.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
Didn't have it. And by the way, you know you
didn't have it.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
Now you done got me up here for no god
dam you got me that.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
You got me up here. No, you're not sorry.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
You could have took your ass right behind, gotten from
behind this counter and come back just that.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
Hey, but they'll get slicker with you too. Now. Well, well,
since you're here, you you mind if I show you
something else?
Speaker 2 (27:15):
No sure.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
For me to matter, I walk mass and I walk
up out of here. No, it's like I go, if
I go looking for something, on, do you have the
brown loafers?
Speaker 2 (27:29):
They come back.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
We didn't have the brown, but we got black and
ox blood. I didn't ask for either one of those.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
I ask for brown.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Yeah, well no, if I'd have wanted black or ox blood,
guess what I said, You have a black loafer or
ox blood loafer.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
That's what I would have asked for that.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
Hold on, you just slicked just you just slicked through
that word and there that that sounded like a big
word and that sounded like a color.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Well ox blood, Yeah, what what's that?
Speaker 3 (27:56):
What's that? And you and you get you you getting
real fancy, you getting real fancy.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
Ox blood?
Speaker 3 (28:04):
You know what that means? What color that is? What
part of the fan?
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Reddish?
Speaker 3 (28:08):
Reddish?
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (28:09):
Yeah, why ain't just say red then?
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Because it's not red. It's like a.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
Doctor you there's no need to be fast.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Okay, how about this here we don't have we do
have a kanyac or we have a black How about that?
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Is that better? Kanya?
Speaker 3 (28:28):
Okay? So we talked about shoes, We talk about alcohol,
We talked.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
About shoes, the color shoes, colors, shoes coming kanyak okay,
color dress shoes? Okay, I got you. I got you.
Why don't you Why don't you.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
Just say burgundy?
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Okay? Yeah you?
Speaker 3 (28:50):
Are you real? A? Were you real? Are you faster
at night?
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Okay? What kanyac or burg my bad Burgundy? There you go.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
But I just looked and I get it, My good fer.
You should be one of the happiest men on earth. Yeah, uh,
you're somewhere. I mean, if you didn't feel wanted or
appreciated in Dallas, they gave up one of their better
players and two first round picks for you, and they
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paid you a boatload of money. So I'm not even
worried about Dallas anymore. Yeah, it'd have been great to
finish my career there, but it didn't happen. For whatever reason,
it didn't happen. It didn't happen. Man, Dallas is the
last thing on my mind.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
Yeah, but listen, it might be the last thing on
his mind. But when reporters asked him certain questions, then
he just he's gonna answer it.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
I'll just say, you know what, I'm not there anymore.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
That's not me. I still have great friends in that
locker room.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
I wish them nothing but the best unless they played it,
unless they played the Packers. But other than that, I
don't really care to talk about the Cowboys anymore. Yeah,
you know, we know, we know. First of all, they
don't need to ask Jerry about Michael either. We know
how Jerry feels about Michael. We know how Michael feels
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about Jerry and the Cowboys. It's understood. See what's understood,
don't need to be discussed. I mean, I wouldn't. There
are certain situations you would you Why would you ask
somebody when you already know the answer, right, It's not
just because now you won't clicks. Now you know how
that man feel about the Cowboys. You know how Jerry
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feels about Michael. Yeah, and I'm not I'm not even
I'm not e wasted. I'm not wasting my time even
even having a discussion about that. But it's a situation where,
you know, Diggs, maybe he felt that he was healed.
Maybe he felt that he was he was healed well enough,
O yo. Instead of having to beat in Dallas, he
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could rehab wherever else he was. I don't know where.
I don't know if Dallas is is home. I don't
know where its home. Is, but maybe he had felt
he had progressed to the point that he no longer
needed to be up under their watch. Right, But when
you come back and they give you a physical and
the knee is not where it needs to be, they're
going to feel some type of way because you could
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they their feeling is that you could have been here
and this could have progressed in a positive manner because
at the end of the day, or Joe, we're paying
your money, we gonna get you on the field.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
Now, I'm just saying, I'm just saying.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
I'm saying, I understand all that other stuff that you're saying,
but we trying to get you on the field. Yep,
We're so we got the Steelers re and not Aaron
Rodgers with his former wide receiver Pittsburgh are signing with
vetteran wide receivers mb Is Valdere Scantling, Aaron's former teammate
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with the Packers. Scantling only thirty one years of age.
He began his professional career in Green Bay, playing on.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
The Pack twenty one.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
His twenty twenty season, uh he had six hundred and
ninety receiving yard sixth receiving touchdowns, which are both career highs.
He also said that he also I think he won
two super Bowls. He won two Super Bowls with Mahomes.
If I'm not mistaken, I think he went too super
Bowl with Mahomes.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Oh Joe, you like you like this pick up?
Speaker 3 (32:27):
I mean it's cool, it's cool.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
It's a player.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
It's a player that's familiar with Aaron Rodgers. Aaron Rodgers
also familiar with him. I think he's gonna be fine.
Got another speister, you had more speed, You already got
Calvin Austin, you got DK. Now you ad mvs who
also can run and is a deep threat. He can,
he can, you can stress the defense. So we're gonna
see how he's used, what positions they put him in.
You know, they put him into to make the plays
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and use his skill set to his strengths in helping
that offense. I think I think he's gonna be all right.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
Mm hmm. I think he was there.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
He was He was San Francisco earlier this year and
got released from there. I think he was in Buffalo
last year. So hopefully he finds a home that he
can stick. Like I said, he's only thirty one years
of ages. Kind of bounced around the last couple of years,
but hopefully he can get there and stay for.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
To the end of the season.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
Oh Joe Kendrick Perkins appeared on out the Mud podcast.
He said, I don't f with Joah. You know why
I don't f with jaw The reason I'm so mad
at you. ESPN spent millions of dollars to do an
all access on John Memphis.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
They did that for joh Bro.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
I was like the one that was praising joh We
annointing you as a chosen one, and you f it up.
Guess what, Not only did you make you look bad,
you made me look bad. They recognize you because of
me speaking highly of you. It ain't no coincidence that
you went from having three games on ESPN to fifty two.
Job responded, you know the reason I don't for my
(33:58):
noted riders. You're the reason for my notoriety. Come on,
don you showing a wound f with you out of
with your can hey?
Speaker 3 (34:09):
Well listen, they went from three games and being being
televised because of Job because of his play on the
basketball court. You know, he's very energetic, he's very animated,
plays a buvet he's exciting. He's an exciting player. That
is why people have gravitated in ESPN even want or
to you know, go and do whatever whatever it is
(34:31):
and spend the millions, you know, to go see him.
John's made some mistakes, some mistakes, yes, some mistakes that
you learned from. He deserves to be in the conversation
when he comes to talk about the better basketball players
in the NBA, then Steph Curry's, the Lebron James, you know,
the Wimby's and Kevin Durants, James Hardens. He belongs in
the conversation with some of the better players in the
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NBA despite him being as young as he is. And listen,
we all make mistakes on I'm sure, I'm sure at
this point he's learned from him. He's not going to
get too many more opportunities to make mistakes of that
magnitude and and and kind of staining the NBA shield.
But I mean, he's on he's on the right path.
He's on the path. He's a dynamic player. And one
(35:14):
of the reasons why he says, this is the reason
what you're doing right now is why don't why don't
mess with you? What you right now, why are you
even conversing?
Speaker 1 (35:21):
And you know that's that's I don't I don't think
to be fair. Perk is not the reason for John's notarioty.
We have to accept responsibility and accountability for our own actions.
Perk having to talk about it on ESPN, as we
all had to do at one point in time. We
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were appointed, we were disappointed when it initially happened, and
so we like, you know what, hey, he a young
I mean, John's twenty one, twenty two, twenty three years
of age, put himself in a bad spot. Let's hope
he learns and grow from it. And the next thing,
you know, guess what, he's back on ig and he
got he got this dick out again. And I'm like,
come on, y'all, you just you just went there after
(36:05):
you were suspended to begin with, and you went there
and you talked to Adam Silver, and you know, you
gave this man your word. I'm assuming that you gave
him your word that you would not find yourself in
this position again. And so that's what and and we
all had to talk about it. And I think the
thing is what we try not to do is like,
(36:26):
you know what you're not your worst mistake.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
M H.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
A lot of times that's that's we get labeled. We're
never our best actions, We're just our worst mistake. And
so I think, you know, Look, I don't. I don't
want to speak for Perk. You know, I know Perk obviously,
I know Perk. Perk started out, he was on he
was on Fox, he was undisputed with skipping out, and
then he went to ESPN and and and and and
(36:51):
and carved out a niche for himself. Great, but and
and and maybe maybe is a sitution wah where with
John said, Look, I disagree with what Johwadi says.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Perk is the reason why for his notoriety. Maybe maybe now.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
Like when when we talk about stuff Ojoe, once we
talk about something on here, I'm not going on Twitter
to try to to try to highlight it again. Yeah,
I'm done with it. Once I talk about it here,
we talk about the show, I'm done with it. I'm
not having a conversation with anybody else about that situation.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
I'm done with it.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
I've already said what I would, I've already said what
I felt I needed to say on that situation. Uh,
but it's tough. It's really tough, Ojo. In this business.
If you have relationships and somebody that you have a
relationship with, they mess up.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
Because now people are sitting there, liked, is here what
you're gonna say? You bought it? Messed up?
Speaker 1 (37:49):
You ain't say nothing, yea waiting Yeah, I mean, it's
like it's like that's what they're waiting. They wait, They're
waiting on to hear you say something. So for the
most part, I just try to like, if I have
a relationship or I speak to someone, I don't really
say anything about it.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
Now, little Lebron situation.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
Everybody knows how I feel about Lebron so far, the
so and so, they automatically assume that I'm kicking it.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
With Lebron up in brent Wood, and any time he
had an event, I'm there. I'm not.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
People just choose to overlook what I call broad out
or I criticize something that he's done. They overlook that, oh,
the clutch checks must not be coming no more. The
director posit ain't gonna hit no more.
Speaker 4 (38:34):
Bro. No.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
I just if he's right, he's right. If he's wrong,
he's wrong. It's simply it ain't no more than that clutch.
Don't send me no checks. I was I was employed
by I was employed by Fox and undisputed I was
employed by ESPN.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
Now have we Oh yo, we have our own thing.
That's it, nothing more, nothing less.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
Y'all try to make it out to be that because
if I criticize, broad is the checks. If I don't criticize,
Oh see, now you talked about this, you talked about that. No,
it's what that's what in this space. That's what you
have to do. It's like, oh, jo, if I'm a fireman,
oh you in that building to put that fire. You
ain't going this building to put that fire.
Speaker 3 (39:14):
What kind of bull job is that?
Speaker 2 (39:16):
I'm a fireman? So when you when you do we do.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
We have to talk about certain things we just do
and you want me to give my honest opinion, my
honest take on certain things. It's not about a like
or dislike because I don't know the guys well enough
to have an opinion one way or another. All I'm
talking about is the guys are on the court, the
basketball player. Now, when we dealt with y'all, we had
(39:41):
to talk about the gun and the club and the
ig stuff like that. We had to talk about that
because that wasn't basketball related. But for the most part,
where we critique and analyze, we keep it on the
field unless they do something off the field and we
have to talk about it. But trust me, I've never
gone to a producer, be it at ESPN B. Yeah,
(40:05):
AT's say oh, oh, I want to talk about this.
We talk about it. We talk about it. If we don't,
we don't. I'm good either way. That way, I don't
really get involved in the topics. I talk about anything.
I can talk about it on this because I followed
(40:26):
I followed football close enough, I followed basketball close enough.
I follow the things that where I feel we're gonna
talk about oh Joe, close enough that I could have
but an intelligent, honest conversation about it without making it personal. Right,
Oh you did this. I never I never called for
a video of Russ and his bloopers. Y'all get mad
at me talking about what it was. No, it was
(40:47):
Russ hit the top of the backboard. It was Russ
the Arabauty. All we did was all I did was.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
Was talk about it.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
Oh if that's what I did, Just like when he
got the trip of doubles, when we was talking about
was getting a triple double and we were highlighting him,
nobody had a problem. So what you want us to
do when he's not playing well, or he's not and
he's turning the ball over? Should we not talk about it?
Speaker 4 (41:11):
Right?
Speaker 3 (41:13):
That's how it works.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
When Tom Brady played good, I had no problem saying
Tom Brady played good. But when Tom played bad, it
was I had to say he played bad. When Peyton
Manning played bad, When Aaron Rodgers played bad, when Patrick Mahomes,
when Tony Romo, you just do it now, I understand
when you look at it like, oh you said this,
(41:36):
but you ain't say this about the black guy.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
You said it? Really, dude? Is that where we are
right down? That's what we're doing. I look at the play.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
I don'ld say, oh that black guy threw a touchdown,
Oh the white guy caught the touch.
Speaker 2 (41:53):
Probably, like, bro, what are you doing?
Speaker 3 (41:57):
I mean, listen to those two. They got to get it.
They gotta get it, get it fixed. Maybe maybe maybe
they won't. But obviously if they don't fix it, I
think maybe the takes on the takes as far as
you know, Kendrick Perkins, Perkins, when it comes to talking
about John Moran, you have to be fair, you know,
and that's fair, uh ninety eight percent of the time
(42:17):
when you do talk about Jaw, his play is gonna do,
is gonna speak volumes. It's gonna speak volumes. In the
whole notoriety comment. Jaw was gonna be job regardless, no matter,
no matter re win, no matter what NBA team he
was playing for. He could have been down there in Shanghai.
He was gonna make ESPN in Shanghai. ESPN was gonna
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travel to Shanghai to go feature and show everything he
had been doing because he is box office. He's one
of those type of players that puts butts in the seats.
That's just who he is based on his skill set,
his makeup, his DNA, that's just who he is. So
I mean, no one is responsible for that outside of
(42:59):
the INDIVI himself.
Speaker 1 (43:01):
Yeah yeah, but you know know theariety is infamous is
that you're known for things that you would like not to.
Speaker 2 (43:08):
Be known for. Y'all did that.
Speaker 1 (43:14):
DeAndre Aiden is trying to stay motivated on the court
and revealed that several of his teammates have made it
a habit to troll him off the court as motivational tactics.
They all have their own little things to get my
head all mixed up. Austin Reeves is my guy, Luca
is my guy, but my wings and my forwards. Yeah,
they be trying to get me ticked off before these
(43:35):
games just to get me rolling. I'm starting to see
it as a trend because I don't get a break
until we're on the court that it's all seriousness. I'm like, Oh,
this is the thing y'all want me to do. Y'all
want me to get your on age, y'all want me
to be fired up.
Speaker 4 (43:49):
I like it.
Speaker 1 (43:50):
Dudes really care on Sunday night, the big mentality twenty
two points and grab fifteen boards. So maybe it's work
they working to night because I think they lose in
new Portland right now.
Speaker 3 (44:02):
Listen the funny thing about it. Listen, he's been a
part of the locker room for a very long time.
Anything that happens to you on or off the court,
you know the jokes are coming. The jokes are gonna
fly always. And then this, whether it be a motivating,
motivating tactic or not, they're going to make fun of
any situations that you have as long as it was
nothing that was harmful. Oh, them jokes w gonna fly you.
(44:24):
You've been in the locker rooms now still to this day,
certain things, certain jokes still fly that that resonate, and
then stuff happens to you that's gonna stay with you forever.
You know, and and your teammates, man, they gonna make
fun of it all the goddamn time.
Speaker 2 (44:42):
Oh Joe, what happened? Can you explain this to me?
What happened?
Speaker 1 (44:46):
How does a guy making one hundred plus million dollars
need motivating?
Speaker 3 (44:52):
I mean, hey, hey, well it's different now, you know
that this NBA nine. Sometimes you get that kind of
money and you relax and you sit down. There are
very few that make make a hundred million and still
play the game like they ain't got a dollar to
their name. They are very few. Again, I'm gonna say
it again. You've seen it before in football. Now, I
(45:14):
can't really make a test to it when it comes
to basketball, but you can because that's something that you
love and are passionate about. But think about how many
players in the NFL that you've seen get paid and
all of a sudden they disappeared. Now they out there
they on the roster, but the play, which is the
reason why they got the money they got. For some reason,
(45:35):
it just disappears. The hungry, the hunger of the drive
they want.
Speaker 2 (45:40):
To eventually to wear off.
Speaker 1 (45:43):
I can motivate you by fear, I can motivate you
by money, but the only thing that's sustainable is self motivation.
So eventually, ojo, I can make up crack all the
jokes I want. Yeah, I can pay you all the
money that I want. I can put fear that I'm
gonna really. Obviously, in basketball, the money guaranteed. So once
you give him, once he signs his name on the
contract and you sign your name on the contract, it
(46:06):
it doesn't mean anything because you can't scare him anymore.
But if a guy that's not self motivated, ain't nothing
you can do.
Speaker 3 (46:13):
But also too, when you're in that kind of environment,
it's only fifteen guys, you're playing as the Lakers, one
of the best franchises of all time. You understand the
legacy that they have, They've won multiple championships. You you
don't want to let those guys down on everybody's watching you. Now,
that's all the motivation you need. The money at the
(46:33):
motivation At this point, you're playing for the Los Angeles Lakers.
Speaker 4 (46:40):
What happened?
Speaker 1 (46:41):
There's fifteen guys in every locker room and he wasn't
motivated in Phoenix. He wasn't motivated in Portland. What makes
you think he's gonna come and be motivated in LA?
Speaker 3 (46:50):
I just told you where's he playing. He's playing in
LA It's different than playing in Portland. It's different than
playing in Phoenix.
Speaker 1 (46:58):
Tell me the difference between the polar bear that's an
Antarctica and when that's in the zoo in San Diego.
Other than his environment, he's still a polar bear.
Speaker 4 (47:07):
I like that.
Speaker 3 (47:07):
That's a good one.
Speaker 2 (47:08):
I like that.
Speaker 1 (47:10):
So I understand what the Lakers brand is. I understand
what it represents. But at the end of the day,
that just happened to be the same individual that the
other two places that was in a better brand.
Speaker 2 (47:22):
He hasn't changed. Nothing about him is changed.
Speaker 3 (47:26):
How's this game so far? I know it's early in
the season. How's he been playing? Good?
Speaker 2 (47:30):
Huh?
Speaker 3 (47:31):
This is the Laker needed a big man? Is he
the answer? That was the problem? Last year? It was
too small? Is he the answer?
Speaker 2 (47:39):
What's the question?
Speaker 3 (47:45):
Is he the big man that the Laker needed. Is
he the answer?
Speaker 1 (47:51):
Laker big man are normally motivated. That's why they're known
for the big Man mic and in Minneapolis to will
to kareem to show.
Speaker 2 (48:04):
Okay, I don't get it. Some things ain't for me.
Speaker 1 (48:13):
It's not for me to understand everything. I don't understand
because I think the thing is that we work. So
you work so hard to get into a position, O Joe,
and then now you get there because think about you
had to be I mean, maybe you're so immensely talented
that seven foot seven foot.
Speaker 2 (48:28):
I mean, they're probably only they're probably maybe one.
Speaker 1 (48:31):
Hundred people in the world of eight billion people that's
seven foot tall and taller.
Speaker 3 (48:36):
So you know eight and seven feet tall too.
Speaker 2 (48:39):
Yeah, he's damn yeah.
Speaker 1 (48:44):
So I think the thing is for me, ojo because
I had to work so hard. I'm a very motivated
I'm a very self driven person.
Speaker 3 (48:52):
Yeah, you're different mentally, I am. Everybody's not wired that way.
Speaker 2 (48:58):
No, you're right, that's what That's what makes it. That's
why I couldn't coach everybody.
Speaker 1 (49:04):
Oh you're a coach is dreamed all my employers. Man,
you're you're a dream I'm gonna be prepared, I'm gonna
do my work. I'm gonna go home.
Speaker 2 (49:11):
That's it. That's all I want to do.
Speaker 3 (49:13):
That's why you need to coach.
Speaker 1 (49:16):
We'll get the based on because you got Shaye and
Luca and you got Steph. That's three guards right there. Now,
one of those guys gonna I mean, Luca normally leads,
uh but but now they just.
Speaker 2 (49:31):
Go front court and back court. So so he would
have to get selected. And then you got.
Speaker 1 (49:43):
Man so ant Man, Shay, Luca, Steph. I don't think
he's more popular than any of those guys. So it's
gonna have to be. It's gonna have to be at
the coach's discretion. Marlene's five oh yo, when with the
last time you guys been to a rodeo. I ain't
never been to a rodeos. That's a good question unless
(50:05):
they talk about rodeo.
Speaker 3 (50:07):
Matter of fact, the last time I went to the
rodeo was down here in d Luke, Georgia, when I
rolled the PBR bull Dejah Blue. Yeah, that was my
last time at the rodeo, and I told I told
the PBR that obviously I would love to make riding
bulls a hobby that I would take. I would take
that professional actually serious. And they told me, you know,
(50:29):
we're gonna look into it after football season is over.
So I might get back in the bull right now.
Speaker 2 (50:34):
You shouldn't.
Speaker 1 (50:36):
James Rabella, Oh yeah, O Jo, I U the Laker,
arride with you. We can get some good steaks, some cigars.
Fifty seven hundred, No, it's fifty nine hundred. Tim's being said, Oh, Joe,
can you guys wish my wife Natasha?
Speaker 4 (50:54):
What is it?
Speaker 1 (50:56):
Natassia, Nata, Natassia, happy birthday. We've been together eleven years.
She was in an accident a few weeks back, so
I'm grateful to be celebrating this one with her. Absolutely, Natassia,
Happy birthday. You, hubby, guy's been together eleven years. He
wanted to let you know he wanted you to celebrate
(51:18):
this day. That you know that it's special, but he
wanted to take a special time to celebrate because he
realized just how fortunate it is to have you in
his life and mentioned that you were in an accident.
Hopefully everything's okay and you guys get to spend some
extra time loving on each other.
Speaker 2 (51:37):
Tell thank you, brother. So much Brouh. I greatly appreciate
you following us and oh you.
Speaker 1 (51:42):
And I are very very very very grateful to have
you as a subscriber and a member that follows us routinely.
But we want to wish you and your wife with
her happy birthday. He'll up soon. That concludes this episode
of Nightcap. We want to thank you for joining us us.
The Chiefs use a strong three straight scoring possessions in
(52:04):
the second half to break.
Speaker 2 (52:05):
The game open. They win going away very comfortably.
Speaker 1 (52:08):
Mahomes two hundred and ninety nine passing yards three touchdowns,
but he did have two interceptions. They ran them all
extremely well as they dominate the second half and they
win by the score of twenty eight to seven. Thank
you guys for watching another episode of Nightcap. I'm your
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co hosts. He's Liberty City's own Bengals Ring of Fame Honoie,
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