Shannon Sharpe, Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson & Antoine Walker react to Oklahoma City Thunder sweeping the Memphis Grizzlies, the Cleveland Cavaliers go up 3-0 on the Miami Heat, & Shedeur finally gets drafted to the Cleveland browns at pick 144 & much more!
01:50 - Thunder sweeps Grizz
16:24 - Cavs beat the Heat
21:00 - Shedeur is drafted
41:31 - Jags to let Hunter play both sides
46:22 - LT officially says no to Abdul Carter wearing 56
52:00 - Twitter Debate
54:48 - Q and Ayyyy
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The volume Thunder Thunder the Grizzlies, SGA had thirty eight
(00:21):
points and finally found his rhythm. In the first three games,
he was averaging twenty fourth points per game, but it
was taking in almost twenty three shots to get those.
He was shooting thirty five percent when he shot almost
fifty two percent from the FLOORID In the regular season,
he had made only six of twenty four threes, shooting
twenty five percent, But in Game four, SGA was SGA
(00:42):
thirteen to twenty four, eleven of thirteen free throws. They
end up sweeping the Memphis Grizzlies, and you knew it
was over. They had a twenty seven point lead, Jock
goes up, comes down and hey, that lead dissipates. They
end up losing that game, so you know, the uh,
it was just a matter of time before they ended
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up getting swept. So they passed the first test. You know,
they've been the best team in the Western Conference for
the entire of the season T one. So what do
you think they're gonna play the winner of the Clippers
Nuggets series?
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Mm hmm, what you like?
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Can can anybody pose a threat to him?
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Honestly, I just think they don't have that next guy.
You know, I think Shaye should be the MVP this year.
Could have won it last year, I wouldn't have no
problem with it. I think this year he gets it.
I don't see that. The second guy I just haven't seen.
I mean, we know where.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
I do. I do like I do like him, but
I need to see him put to the test.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
I need to see him put to the test where
he had to get thirty thirty five on a given night.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Right, So and so I see that. I just don't.
I don't trust them against a veteran team.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
I just think you get one of those the Clippers
or Denver, whichever team you face, those guys have been
there before, or they're gonna know.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
How to guard you. The respect levels a little different.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
They got the they got the toughness to go on
your building to get a win. Right, That's where they're
gonna be a little different. That it's actually not it's
actually kind of bad for them to see either one
of those teams because those teams are older teams and
the veteran teams that can give them trouble because they
because they know how to play in the playoffs. So
neither one of those teams are gonna be great match
ups for them, but they are a great home team
(02:26):
and by winning them, by having the best record. I
always say this, it means something when you take care
of business in the season, because.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
You get those most important games on the floor, on your.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Floor, you get that five and seven, you get five
and seven on your home floor. That's why you take
care of business during the season. I'll never forget that.
You always want to have that home court advantage. So
that's what it can be. That's where they can have
the advantagers because they play so great in that building.
But it's gonna be tough for them. This is the
next rounds is gonna be tough form. Look for them
(02:56):
to be long series and can anybody else step up
and help shave out? We know she's gonna ask some
moments where he gets thirty five, forty hell maybe even
forty five.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Who's gonna be that next guy that steps up? And
that's what that's gonna be.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
Remaining to be seen, Hey town, so little basically probably
okay see is similar similar to in the same situation
based on who they play, whether it be the Nuggets,
whether it be the Clippers. There they're gonna be in
a similar situation like the Rockets right now with the Warriors.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Yeah, it's just not saying that they're young that I
mean the Okay, see, guys have been together a while.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
I just think and you guys know that.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
I just similar and Shady goes back to what you
did to start to show up. We start naming stars.
You don't even name Shake, you didn't name nobody else off. Okay, See,
that's a team that wore sixty games this year.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Think about it.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
You didn't name them. You didn't name two three guys
off of Okay. See, I just start thinking nothing wrong
with that. They have great, complimentary guys that got great
role players. I just don't see that next superstar, a
guy that can help you win a game. Who's gonna
go win the game? Besides Shape, I want to see that.
Let's the next guy step I'm get thirty thirty five.
Let's see Shae have ten points, a bad night, foul trouble,
(04:05):
he gonna get it done. Who's gonna be the next
guy that steps up for them? So that remains to
be seen. That's that's that's where the test is gonna
come in at.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Yeah, Hey, look, I didn't think Memphis was gonna do much.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
And when Scottie Pippen Junior was your best player on
the Memphis Grizzlies and he's I'm happy for him because
he seemingly found a home in Memphis, a home in Memphis,
and they're giving him opportunity to showcase his ability. But
I didn't really I didn't really expect much from from
Memphis in this series.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Even with job.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Maybe they could have got a game, maybe a game,
maybe maybe maybe maybe a game. I think that that
game they had a twenty seven point lead. I think
if Josh stays in, they probably win that one. Maybe
they get a game. Maybe maybe maybe all things equal,
they get to But I mean you look at you
look at them home and had eleven Jayalen Williams had
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twenty three, Hartenstein had eleven in.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Twelve shave with Shade. Uh.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
But what they kill you is that you know they're
a great defensive team because they got Caruso, they got
out there Joe, they got Wallace, they got lou Dor,
they got chat that can protect the rim if somebody
gets beat off the dribble.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
They got big, they got two bigs.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Uh. They and they don't have a problem playing too big,
but then when they go small, they got guys that
are that are scrapping. They can defend. Everybody can defend
at an extremely high level. But I agree with you.
I agree with you. But the question is, man, you
got You got to be able to have Shave under control,
because if you don't, he end up shooting fifteen twenty
the free throws on you.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Oh yeah, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead. For now,
I'm saying you have to beat them. I do agree
with you. You have to beat them. They're not gonna They're
not gonna beat theirself.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
I think with the young group, they got fresh legs,
they play lively, they play great at home, so they're
gonna end They got a guy. I mean, Shae is
a guy. He's a guy that can get you thirty
five four. That's what you want in the playoffs. They
got all the ingredients to make a deep run. I
just worry when you get into a series with better
teams that's made double team shay and may force some
other guys to beat you. All those other guys ready
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to deliver at the level that you need to think
about some of these teams. I mean think about the Lakers.
You know they got two guys that can get it done.
You know when we talked about Okay, see, we just
don't wins is great. Don't get me wrong. It's gonna
be a He's a great young player. Made the All
Star team this year. He's shown that he can be
a twenty five point score. Hell, he's had some thirty
(06:29):
point performances. But if you got to get have another
guy that can go to it. I don't think as
you get along you start playing the better teams, they're
not gonna let Shade beat them. I just don't think that.
I think they're gonna double team. They're gonna make these
other guys have to beat them. If I was playing
against them, that's what I would do. But the Okay,
say did the right thing. Everything gotta come through them.
(06:49):
They have four games on next floor, and I think
that's what they did a good job.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
But they played well there. And you guys know this,
and you guys.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
Who watch enough basketball, the role guys play better at home.
So now you got those young guys or young guys
on the best planning at home, they play a lot better.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
That's what the advantage is for, ok see yeah, because
they had five guys even though he was on the road.
That was a close game. They have five guys in
double figures. Hongering had eleven, Jalen Williams had twenty three,
Hartenstein had eleven, Uh Shay had thirty eight and Isaiah
Joe uh had eleven when Wiggins had nine.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
But uh, get him other numbers. Kind of loco chat.
You see, you got need somebody else, get an other
number a little low. Now, somebody else get playing the
tam you play.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
They played meth right, play one of them brick dogs.
It's gonna be a it's gonna be a little different.
But you know what I like, But I like them
not to cut you off on you.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
What I like is that wiggin that excuse me that
Williams and Shade take most of the shot, because you
look at it, they took a combined forty five shots
and you had Hongering with the next more shot at nine,
you had a guy took seven, one guy took four, one, one, five,
seven seven at eight.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
So your big dogs eating.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
You got because you know sometimes in the playoffs, God
try to make a name for themselves and that ain't
all of a sudden. You're supposed to be shooting self
eighty times, all of a sudden you shoot fourteen fifty.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
That know, whoa whoa what you're doing? Coach, Hey, you.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Said and Andrew Wiggins is down is in Miami with you?
Speaker 2 (08:27):
You just said, that's a that's another thing. Yes, they
oh what they got another Wakens on the team.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Yeah, young, they got a young wads Okay, okay, John, yoh, Yeah.
I like Wallace, I like Isaiah Joe, but they all
can defend. Look at Caruso can defend. Lou Dort can defend,
Isaiah Jo can defend, Carson Wallace can defend, Hey, Jet
Hangeren defend. So no matter even Shade was like top
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three and Steel, So no matter who you have on
the court, you still have at least three guys that
can defend on the ball at all times. And then
if Shave's in there, you got somebody that can protect
the can protect the paint, protect the rim. Hard stided
in me. Look, he can't protect the but he he's
a big body. He'll block the shot to a shot
here or there. I like the way to make up,
(09:19):
But like you said, we'll see the next round. John
didn't want to be seen on camera on the bench,
he saw the broadcast camera on him and put his
hand over his face.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
You good with this, nah I, man, I feel bad
for my guys.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
Shan I remember, I remember you had me on when
he was back on with Fox and we were talking
about him and we had the long discussion with him. Man,
I just wish you did. I mean, he's such a
terrific talent. Man, I just wish he locked in on
playing basketball. You know what I'm saying, and take what
comes with it's that's the good. That's the good comfort.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
You want.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
You want to see that you want your fanciest team,
you care about your team, and that you upset that
you're not playing. That's where you want the camera on.
So I just hope he gets it together. I got
a lot of respect for him. I want him to
be you know, I think he could be one of
the greatest players and playing the game at the point
guard opposition. When he's right healthy and he gives you
that scratch of twenty twenty five games where he's just
playing basketball and not shooting the gun and not doing
(10:09):
all this crazy things. He's one of the best players
in the League. You know, we just don't know if
he's ever gonna figure it out. So I get disappointed
him a little bit on that because it's I don't
hope this talent doesn't go to waste, because you know,
Adam Silver, after a while, it's gonna be.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
You know, you gonna have to go see the big
dog again, and he ain't gonna like what he gonna
do too.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Do you think he needs to be out of Memphis
in order for him to really blossom and fully develop?
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Yep? Right on down here, Miami.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Yep, Chad, he can't come to Miami. Pat I got him,
I got Aaron Sprompson ain't playing that man, That's what
That's what I mean. Sometimes that's what you need.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
Sometimes need to go somewhere like this, where you have
two old school type coaches tost the game of basketball different.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
They got structure, the disciplined. You're right here right now,
and you try to go all the way over here.
You see all that space in between. That's gonna be
the middle. It's gonna be tough. Man, that's gonna be tough.
Do I think he needs an another place, change the scenery.
I don't think he needs to change of scenery.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
I think they have to really strategiously make sure that
they keep the right guys around him. And you know,
I sometimes you break up, you bring a veteran on
the team that maybe not gonna get a lot of
minutes that can help you control that locker room, you
know how they help control some of the out the
court activities. I think that's what they need to do.
You know, sometimes he's got to pick up a guy
like that, maybe a guy that's not gonna do much,
(11:36):
you know what I mean. Think about their boss and
selfish team. They put Al Horford, a nice veteran on
the team with them, who's been on their team for
the last three four years, been great for them.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
A good locker room guy, you know what I mean.
That's what you need. You need some locker room guys.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
Sometimes I think that I like them in Mephoics because
they they've been successful.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
They've had someone that sea. It's not like a bad team.
They got some pieces there.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
He doesn't have to be moved, but he's gonna have
to clean up and things, and I think he can
use another superstar I would like to see.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
I don't know if they'll be able to a free agency. Well,
Trupa J was supposed to be a super superstar. I
don't know. I'm just telling you they paid him like one.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Yeah, I don't know if he kind of he kind
of took a couple of stuffs back this year, especially
in this series.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Yeah, they was banged up this year, a lot off
and on.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
So I'm not gonna put too much on this season
and the coaching change and all that stuff they went through.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Uh, you know, you know that that finding the coach
was kind of weird to me. I know y'all covered
that a long time ago, but I think that played
a part too.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
You know, a couple of years ago, the job around
said I'm fining the West. I might have you worry
about Boston, but I'm fining the West. Zero playoff series
wins one head coach fine in two suspensions.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Yes he fired in the West. One. No, he's not
fining West.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
I would I made for us that love sports and
we love love to see guys make it and do great.
I would love to see on the Miami Heat, where's structure,
where it's disciplined, where basketball has to come first.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
I would love to see him in that type of situation.
Where they can get some of that junk out of them.
But we don't know.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
I mean, Memphis has to make a major decision on
whether or not they want to continue to build around
him and kind of go through his antics, or you
make a move for him while he still has a
little value, because I think he still has some value
right now.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
So I think you can get something for him, and
maybe maybe it might be a must know Kelly, you
guys mutual agreement.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Hey, I try to hear.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
I need a new surrounding. I'm want to try something different.
Maybe you can make a move in that sense, because
they're too totally different teams with the without them is
so they're gonna have to figure that out, two totally
different teams.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
I like it. I like it. I like it.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
Hey, Mickey Harrison, I know you gonna see this. Pat
I need you gonna see this. Spoilster, I let you boy,
my numbers still the same. We can go get y'all
sometime sometime this summer. Oh, I put the pieces in place.
I may I make sure he's good away from the court.
You know, I got the right kind of people. You know,
we don't play no game. We don't do none of that. Okay,
(14:14):
ain't gonna be no driving, ain't gonna be no shoe,
ain't gonna be thrown on, no grade, no no brenees.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Uh uh, you want that. You don't get him over.
You're gonna get him over. Hey, get him a drip?
Speaker 4 (14:22):
No no, no, I gotta I gotta drive it for him.
I gotta drive it. Will get him everywhere he needs
to go. We want to will torn. I've been in
Miami all my life. I don't even club. I ain't
been a club live yet. I just went to Booby
Trap for the first time two weeks ago. I'm fifty
seventy years old, so I know if I can get
drive down here to Miami, I can.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
I can keep him align. We got the same goal.
I want to see you succeed, and any day y'all
with you, he can hang out with me. I thought
I was mister South Beach, so you right hang out
with you. That's better. I thought I was Miss South Beach.
Speaker 5 (14:57):
Hey, don't we don't need to talk about this segment.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Next segment.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
No team has ever recovered from a three to zero
deficit in the NBA Playoff. The heat has shown no
indication that they'll be the first Calves up three to
zero points in the paint. Today, the Calves had sixty,
the Heat had thirty. What's going on? What's going on?
What's going on? What's going on?
Speaker 2 (15:16):
To him?
Speaker 3 (15:18):
I think he just don't have enough. Unfortunately. Uh you know,
Aris Preuss was a great coach. You know, he fought
this hard to get into the playoff situation. They beat
the team like the Bulls, who was kind of probably
equal to them, and beat them to get into this
playoffs game, this playoff series.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
They just don't have enough. I mean, I love Bam.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
I think he's a great piece of the puzzle. I
think they got him as being a major center piece.
I don't think he's that guy. I think he's more
of a AB. He's mother c guy to me because
he doesn't dominate the game enough for me. You know,
eighteen and ten that's cool. You know, a guy like
Bam and the money he's getting maked he's supposed to
be geting twenty five and thirteen. You know, he don't
(15:54):
get that to you every night, you know, getting sixteen
and ten, that's that's that's not gonna get a to
be a a list or B list player in this league.
Tyler Herro is terrific. Obviously, six man in a year
a great score, but he's a six man. He can't
start for you to give you some buckets, but he's
a six man. That's where he's been been his best
at in that role. I just don't think they have enough.
(16:16):
They're gonna they're gonna have to try to figure it out.
Know they traded for Andrew Wiggins. He could be a
good piece of the puzzle. They're gonna have to get
lucky the draft man. Obviously, I want my championship with
the Heat. I always root for them. I love Eric
Sposum and those guys down there. They're gonna have to
figure it out to try to get.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
A big superstar to put with this young core, or
they're gonna always be in the mixed because they're gonna
they're gonna be a five hundred team two three games under.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
But to make them any real noise, they're gonna have
to add some pieces. They kind of they kind of
stuck in that spot and it's probably not you know what.
You know, sometimes you need to lose so you can
get a higher pick. They kind of stuck they put
themselves in that.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Twelve out of the damn lottery to stay out of
the lottery, and that puts them in bad We.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
See them compete, we see them win big.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
Games from time to time, but when you get in
the playoff series and you need it, they don't have it.
That's mean right now, they don't have the depth. I
don't think they have a superstar right now. Like I said,
I think Bam is a good player. I think he's
a good piece of the puzzle. I think Tyler Hero
is great in his role when he can be the
sixth man. I think he can always be an instant
scorer in his league. I just think they don't have
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enough to compete at the level that they would like to.
That we know Mickey Harrison, pat Riley, Eric Spros and
them guys want to. I mean, Jimmy Butler was exception
to the rule. He got the that he got this
group of most of these guys played with him, got
them to the finals. But they need another piece. That's
a that's a that's a actually the evidence that I
need to show you. If you can get another piece
(17:44):
with that type of culture, you can make you can
make some moves, but right now they kind of they
stuck as sad.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Right now they have to figure it out.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
The moment we've all waited for Shador, Sanders is drafted
in the fifth round. The Browns traded up and selected.
All these anonymous reports are coming out by Shador having
bad interviews, especially with the Giants. According to Todd McShay,
Shador completely bombed his interview with the Giants. He didn't
(18:19):
have a great interview with head coach Brian day Ball.
The preparation wasn't there for an install package. Day Ball
called him out and Sanders didn't like it. Dave Ball
had gone eight and twenty six over the past two seasons,
so he probably knows a thing or two about being unprepared.
To be honest with you, I mean, you go eight
and twenty, you go eight twenty six being unprepared. You're
(18:42):
no unprepared person when you see one. Considering over the
last two years, that's kind of exactly what you've been.
And then there's been reports of him having a big
entourage because his brother shoots videos of him being in
the family. He's with his brother and his family, no drinking,
no drugs, no controversy, just living his life.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Oh, Jo, this is I'm gonna start with you first. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Here that he didn't do well in the interview. Yeah,
he didn't hit it off with coach day Ball and
seemed like he was unprepared.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
I didn't like the entourage. Okay, I don't believe it.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
I don't believe it because every single NFL player, every
single When I say every single, I mean every single
has an entourage. Most of the entourage is is family
in France. If it's not family in France, it's friends
that you grew up with.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Everybody has that.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
So I'm not sure why I even came in to
play and we talked about everybody regardless of race, regardless
of the ethnicity, it doesn't matter. So that's one thing
interview interview goes bad.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
I'm prepared now.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
I think I'm thinking about a son of one of
the greatest players of all time, who's always been prepared
and coached and having tutelage from one of the best
of all time, and for some reason, all of a sudden,
you weren't prepared for any when it comes to the
game of football in which he's a quarterback.
Speaker 5 (20:03):
Again, that's something else that's not believable.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
Now, you know, media, media can can can can screw
things and report things that obviously aren't true.
Speaker 5 (20:13):
Bingo, forget that. So he dropped to the Cleveland.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Browns round five? What picked one four? What was it?
One forty five?
Speaker 4 (20:24):
I'm not even tripping at this point. I'm not even
tripping at this point because Prime obviously is prepared should
do it for any and everything dealing with media, dealing
with with with those that doubt you. So I'm just
happy he has this opportunity because what's happening in this scenario,
in this situation in which I still believe, is clusion.
Speaker 5 (20:42):
I'm not talking about race. I'm not talking about race
at all. I'm just speed.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
I'm just saying a collective collusion against brother Sanders and
all the things. And then just the hype and listen
to Machine again. I said last night, I said last night.
We have choices.
Speaker 5 (20:58):
People choose what they want to see. I said it yesterday.
I'm not talking about race at all.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
One thing for sure, the.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
Machine is undefeated and will always remain undefeated anytime it
feels not really threatened.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
But there's another name or family that thinks they can
come in and do things their way.
Speaker 4 (21:21):
They're humble you and this this was then example of it,
an example of it that we've never ever ever seen
before to this magnitude ONNK, We've never seen anything like this.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
I'm happy for Shador.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
I'm happy for Shiloh and for Shador standers getting the
opportunity to play for the Cleveland Browns. His situation is
simple as put. It's delayed, but it's not denied. It's
not about where you go, it's what you do once
you get there.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
So now you know what you need to do.
Speaker 4 (21:47):
The Browns haven't had a quarterback, they haven't had a quarterback,
a sufficient quarterback, consistent quarterback for hey rib since Bernie
for a very long time. This might be that call
be their blessing. This might be his blessing even going there.
So I'm happy for him.
Speaker 5 (22:04):
He's gonna do what's necessary. I'm sure he had the
chip on the shoulder.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
And I'm excited because in that in that AFC North,
you know it run through Cincinnati, and.
Speaker 5 (22:14):
The only way you're gonna get it done is you
got a quarterback.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
I just had that piece. I saw you throw that
in there. What'd you, honestly, man, guys.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
To be honest with you, I mean, I feel for him, obviously,
you know you work so hard and it's tough for
you projected to go first round.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
I had a situation once.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
It's not obviously not the same because basketball is totally
different as far as was the number of people that
get picked. But I was with my best friend Nazi
Muhamma was supposed to be picked lot of when he
came out and na slid to twenty nine and just
sitting there and that obviously it was nothing like where
you have to actually wait a whole nother day to
get drafted.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
But Jay slide. Huh, you wain't two days. He got
drafted the day the way, so it's it's different.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
But I think like this, to be honest with you,
I said that I think you have to play the game, Shannon,
to be honest with you, I think if he would
have I'll play, I'm just gonna play the game, so
I'll get drafted whatever that would have been.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Whatever, And I think sometimes that's what not And I'm
not sure.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
This, and you guys get correct me if I'm wrong,
because it seems like I've never seen an agent and
I would say I'm watching from a father I'm watching
off TV on social media.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Did he do he have an agent? I don't know.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
I bet y'allo made a joke too about our dad
with our agent, and we might need to hire a
new agent. Okay, I don't know, because I think I
think you know how to say it. Sometimes you have
an agent.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
He can tell you the truth behind closed doors of
what they're actually saying and what you need to work on.
So by then I've been to day, he probably not
really hearing everything. They probably can't tell them, so he's
not hearing everything that they're saying.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
So I think that was probably one mistake.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
And I don't know if he had an agent or not,
so if if the agent to kind of buffer that,
to talk to him and kind of figure it out.
But you gotta figure this thing out, man. I think
one thing about it. It was about interview I don't
think the skill set. I mean he put the numbers up.
The numbers speak for theyselves. He had the numbers, so
we got to look at some of the other stuff.
I mean, I worked out for nine teams.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
When I came out, I interviewed with nine teams, So
you gotta go through that process.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
I'm not sure how you interview. Maybe that was a
little sketchy.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
That can rub some gms and it's that's the wrong way,
you know sometimes you know interview, Well, maybe the swagger,
what he's coming with great family, family dynamics. His family
is gonna support him, right, Obviously he had a certain swag,
a certain order he carries with him.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Which we all love, and we all we just talked
about that. We liked that, we talked.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
We all all three of us talked trash, We all celebrated,
we all had fun, so we know that.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
So that's not the problem. We brought our own style,
so that wasn't the problem with him. I just felt
like they didn't play the game that everybody else played,
and they wanted to show them that. Look, it's still
the NFL, We still run this. You still got to
go through this proper pecking order. And I think that's
what it was. That's what it looks like.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
You can't look at him.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
If you look at his numbers and scaled of them,
the guys that got picked perform all this stuff, it
doesn't make sense. So it's gotta be something behind the scenes.
There can't football ability it has to be something behind
the scenes. That's why I said, if he had an agent,
maybe somebody that can hear the noise, because he probably
didn't a real noise, you know what I mean. We
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we all TV watching all the analysts and everybody. But
you know, y'all prefer you so much information. Y'all prove
you so much.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
We're not hearing that real noise, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
So that's what your agent gets that for you to
kind of help you out and maybe help you get
your act together.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
That's why I really want to know if he had
an agent.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
But then, you know the funny thing about it, Ton,
even even at that point, you are you are, Shador
is who he is.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
The Sayings family, they are who they are.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
That that's it, and they've always been unapologetically themselves and
that rubs a lot of people wrong.
Speaker 5 (26:02):
A lot of people don't like that, including some of
those in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
Some of the things that Deanna said.
Speaker 4 (26:07):
In the past they probably didn't like. They probably didn't
like it, you know, he wanted to pull an he
wanted to pull you know with Eli that probably they
probably didn't like it. They quote tweets that he said
a long time ago, and I know.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
Let me tell you why.
Speaker 4 (26:23):
I know this is all collusion. You know, I think
about some like like going, you know what, I'm not
even gonna bring it up. I'm not gonna bring it up.
I'm happy he got where he needed to go. This
is exactly where we're supposed to land because I guarantee
you watch it be a blessing in disguise and them
never having a quarterback and all of a sudden, for
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some reason should do or be in the answer for
the next decade.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
I'm a basketball guy. I'm going to ask you something.
You can ask this because you talked to right now.
Can you ask this if the Cleveland the right fit
for him? Because sometimes that's just regard.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
What no, he went.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
Did he go to a good situation where he can
actually be able to showcase himself and have a real
opportunity to be a starting quarterback in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Do you guys like that situation?
Speaker 4 (27:15):
If the GM and the owners are combatant when his
time comes to be able to compete for a starting job,
if they continue to build around him, yes, it's the
right place.
Speaker 5 (27:29):
If they continue to do right by the quarterback position.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
Like other teams are doing like they do for the Mahomes,
and they do for the Jalen Hurts, and they do
for you know, the other quarterbacks, the Jaydon Daniels.
Speaker 5 (27:41):
As you continue to put the pieces to the postal.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
To ride him while you have a quarterback on.
Speaker 5 (27:45):
A very very cheap I hate using that word cheap,
but you know, a very affordable contract.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
We can build it right right.
Speaker 5 (27:52):
Yeah, I think he's he's in the right place.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
But if they do what they've.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
Always done for a very long time, which where they've
been through to a seventy six thousand quarterbacks, then it
would be the same, the same process and repeat itself.
They had Baker Mayfield, you had number one pick. There
was nothing wrong with Baker Mayfield because look what he's
doing in Tampa Bay. So that tells you where the
problem lies. That the problem lies with Cleveland internally. Now
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you've got an opportunity again, let's not f it up.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Yeah, I do.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
I love when the quarterbacks, young quarterbacks come in. They
have an unbelievable support system. Hopefully you have somebody that
can that's really smart schematically knows how the diagram plays. Oh,
Joe knows how to put quarterbacks in the right situation,
you have a decent running back. I'm not saying you
need saque I mean, although that would be nice to
have a Saquon Barkley and Deck Henry On a rookie quarterback,
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but you need quality receivers.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
You see CJ.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
Stroud where he went and had success. Look at the
receiving cord that he had. You look at Jade Daniels,
look at the receiving cord that he had. The question
is are there enough pieces around any quarterback for regardless
if it's a rookie or not, is there are enough
pieces around him so he can adequately do what he
needs to get done. I think uh Stefanowski is as
an unbelievable coach. He's the coach of the year. He
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knows how the call plays, he knows how the scheme plays,
and so now it just comes down to, Okay, when
you get your opportunity, you gotta shine. You gotta prepare
like there's no tomorrow, because that's already out there.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
O Joe.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
You see what they saying he was unprepared. You see
what they did, O Joe. See we already put that
out there on you.
Speaker 4 (29:23):
Now, hey, that's the game. They're gonna play the game.
They're going to play the game. There's only one way
you could be the game. That's in between the lines. Yeah,
No matter what to say, it blocks out all the noise.
You can only be the game in between the lines.
That's it, no matter what they say.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
But but I will say this on Joe, I don't
know if they're gonna allow Bluckie to go in and
film everything that that your door is doing, that's over.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
No, that's over now.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
When you when you're at Colorado and your dad's the
head coach, they're gonna allow that.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
That's over with now. Yeah, I mean they understand that.
I thought he was the video guy. I thought he's
the video guy for yeah you can, you can. You
can't do that now.
Speaker 4 (30:02):
Once you once you enter that building, once you on
grounds in that facility, all that all that's done.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
Yeah uh yeah, And so that's that's having it. Auntie Rock. Yeah,
I don't like I said, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
I don't know if he went to the building and
they tried to go in the meeting rooms and Bucket
was trying to capture content. Uh, he doesn't have an
agent because time agent was Eugene Parker rested sold Eugene
passed away several years ago, and so I'm sure Time
will probably interview somebody now.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
And i'd agree. I agree with you, Twine, probably.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
And that's the thing, because you have an agent and
they hear things that they can tell you things.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
Now, they're gonna all the really really bad stuff.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
They ain't gonna share that with you because they don't
want to mess with your mentally, but they'll share enough
of stuff with you so you get the picture and
get a great understanding of what's actually going on.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
So if I'm not I'm mistaken.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
I so you know, obviously my agent was obviously when
I first got the league of Jerome Stanley, phenomenal dude
did did really well for me on the back end
of my career from the middle on the back end,
it was Drew Rosenhouse. And if I'm I'm not mistaken,
I saw drews Rosenhouse post for Shiloh Sanders once he
got drafted. So I'm assuming Drew rosen House must to
be represent representing Shiloh. I'm not sure you represents your
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door though, right.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
I get it, because Okay, the Brian's Court the current
quarterback room, Deshaun Watson, Joe Flacco, Kenny Pickett, Dylan Gabriel,
Shadoor Sanders, Deshn Watson, Starter, Flaco a Vet. If Desjon
can't go, you got Kenny Pickett, the backup, Dylan Gabriel,
rookie Chador, rookie Phil.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
What's going on? I mean, damn, what's really going on?
What's really going on on? Joe Hey, I like to compete.
I ain't got no problem with it. I like to compete.
Who I need to beat out? I love Kenny Pickett.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
I love I don't know how you beat Desjon out
when he got another forty eight got thirty eight million
dollars this year, in the up for forty million next year.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
And he's not not playing this year. Okay, you're not
gonna play this year. Okay, So.
Speaker 5 (32:08):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, kiddies, Yeah, so listen, I'm I'm gonna
take you.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
I'm gonna tell you guy, it's gonna play out. I
love Knny Pickt. I love Kenny Pickett.
Speaker 4 (32:19):
I love that that No brother Gabriel, but Shador if
he does what he's supposed to do. You know, we've
seen Kenny Pickett already we haven't seen Dylan Gabriel yet,
But I'm just saying I know probably like I'm gonna start,
he's gonna start at some point. Don't get a shot.
At some point he's gonna get that shot. And when
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the door opened.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
Let me ask, both of you got Wrobert Cleveland WHILELD
Cleveland do that? While with Cleveland won a quarterback whom
we're five guys, And that brings up but is that
does that mean thing?
Speaker 4 (32:55):
Three?
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (32:58):
Okay, because the shot Shawn DeShawn is not playing.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
He's not playing like January or February or something like that.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
You're right, I forgot late. Well yeah, you might just
go ahead and you know, put him on our R
and go ahead and let that go. Uh what, I
don't get Cleveland at some point in time. Y'all gotta
stop trading back. Y'all could have had Julio Jones. You
traded back.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
You could have had you could have had Travis Hunter,
and you're do her. You're traded back.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Yeah, some one time when guys are sitting there waiting
for you to take them, take them, right, yeah, take them.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
It's okay.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
I guess they're looking at it like we're more than
one player away, but sometimes that player can help change
things around. I don't I don't get it. I don't
get what they're doing with this situation. Uh, like you said, Twine,
he had an unbelievable college career. He played well at
Jackson State, and then they said, well, yes, Jackson State,
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that's why you're doing that. He goes to Colorado. He
puts some successual numbers. Uh, you know, great completion percent
that he throws guys open. No, he's not the most
athletic guy, but he's not a decatholic. He don't need
to high jump, long jump, pole vault, shot put hurdle
one hundred, four hundred fifteen.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
He don't need to do all that all he needed
to do. Can he take three? Can he drop back five?
Can his own read? Can can he do the stuff?
Can he process information in a hurry? That's what a
quarterback needs. He needs to be confident.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
He needs to be able to process information in the hurry,
and he needs to be able to retain information. I mean,
he showed you that, He's shown you he can do that.
Ever since he's i mean from from middle school to
high school to college. So let's see if that is
that's transferable. I like to think I like to think
that it is. But you don't know, Twine. You know
this same thing with all sports. You don't know what
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you have with a guy until you get him in
your building and put him in your uniform. That's when
you one percent know for certain what the hell I got? Yeh,
because all this other stuff, well, he won this alward,
and he did all this, and he did all of that.
And I've seen it having played in the NFL. Guys
come in and have all these credentials and I don't
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know how they Hey, somebody gave you a fake passport,
cause I don't know how you get all I don't
know how you get all that.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
Let me ask you, guys, in football, is it about
the number? Or is it more about the fit? Fit?
It's always gonna be fit, It's always gonna be finished fit.
So is that always? Do you guys think?
Speaker 5 (35:24):
So?
Speaker 2 (35:24):
If you had to greg this fit, where would you
guys go? Right now? Compete? But like personally I would
have liked New Orleans a little better. I would like
New Orleans better too.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
But the thing is now, because Twa, I was telling
what your last night is that I went to a
team I was a big wide receiver.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
I went to one of the three teams that had
the H back position.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
Washington at the H back position, the Broncos had the
H back position, and uh uh the Chargers, uh San
Diego there in San Diego then had the H back position.
Every tight end on the roster got hurt. I'm the
biggest receiver. Coach, Reez, come a, would you be willing
to move days back? I'm gonna catch the ball. Yeah,
if you throw me, if you learned to plays. Okay,
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So now here I am a big wide receiver. Imagine
I don't go to a team that has the age
back position. So I switched midway through like a third
of the way I have like probably like week eight,
Week nine, Week ten, they moved me to like tight end.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
Kinda and the rest of that they say history. So
it's absolutely where you go.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
Not I get it because a lot of times twin
you know this first four and five picks, they get
a boatload of money. Now you want to make a
boatload of money for a short period of time, for
an extended period of time, cause I had a fourteen
year career, there are a lot of guys that went
in the first round on show, they made money for
a three four year period. I made money for a
fourteen year period. It's not how much money you make,
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it's how long you make money and then what you're
gonna do. It's not how much money you make, it's
how much you keep. So it's absolutely twine where.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
You go that fit and what they do for you
while you're there.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
He got it's made a little money in the space too,
So he's, oh, yeah, had he known what he knows,
he'd have stayed in college and made some more and
il money. He's like, hell, if y'all gonna take me
in the field round, he made more yet I'm ailing.
What is the rookie contract joke? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (37:23):
Yeah, wow, that is wow.
Speaker 4 (37:26):
But listen, I think I think the situation in general
is good for him. It puts a chip on the shoulder. Yeah,
oh this is this is how you feel about me? Okay,
bet hold my beer, I got this. Watch me listen.
I faced that versus before. I've had the hurdle obstacles before.
This is just another one that's in the way. I'm
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going to show you. I'm going to prove to you
that I'm worthy of doing all the things you said.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
I can't.
Speaker 5 (37:52):
Oh you feel I'm a fifth round pit I mean
I'm I'm a fifth rounder.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
Okay, bet I'm not. I'm not tripping. I'm not tupping
all again.
Speaker 5 (38:01):
Chadeur's a chat.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
I know y'all can hear me.
Speaker 5 (38:04):
Chadeur's situation as simple as this.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
It was delayed.
Speaker 5 (38:09):
It wasn't he one denied, that's all.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
Yeah, when you get there, hey, do what you're supposed
to do and everything else. To take care of himself.
Wan't nobody care where you got drafted at it?
Speaker 2 (38:20):
He had to wait.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
It was so disappointed, and they prank calling him and
doing all this other stuff. When you go do what
you need to do, everything is fine. Everything, everything can
work itself out. Speaking of Traff, the Jaguars one hundred
percent committed the Travis bart of letting him play wide
receiver and corner. They told him, you got a bold
vision and we got a bold vision for you.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
Yeah. Oh y'all, yeah, what you're thinking. I like what
you mean. What I'm thinking, I'm thinking, duvall Man, I
like it. I like it.
Speaker 4 (38:50):
Listen, he said. He said it, not only during the interview.
Process allow him to do what he has dreamed of
and been working on. Then tidy of his career so far,
I mean as far as Kali collegiate wise. He said
he has a belief and believes he believes that's the
one thing that you need in anything that you do,
regardless of whether it's the corporate world or whether it's sports.
If I believe I can do what I can achieve it,
You and I we have different beliefs on whether they
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can do it at this level, but.
Speaker 5 (39:13):
We're gonna find out now. We're gonna find out.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
Even play both sides of the ball.
Speaker 4 (39:16):
I like the fact that the owners, the GMS, and
everyone else inside that that that locker room are going
to allow him to do exactly what he did in college.
Speaker 2 (39:26):
To what extent, I'm not sure. I'm not sure.
Speaker 4 (39:29):
I think they gave a brief, a brief press conference
on ways they can figure out on how to do it.
I'm just excited, man, Man, I'm happy. I'm happy for
trav I'm happy for the Jaguars. I'm happy for the
fans in that city, especially the city itself.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
Man, they got a good one.
Speaker 4 (39:45):
Then he's gonna put some busts in the seats and
he's gonna make it exciting for the next next decade.
Speaker 3 (39:50):
I got a question for you guys, just you know,
as football guys, just honestly, what if you you guys
know how talent he is and how good he is?
Which one is best at? Which one do you think
he can be the Which one you think he can
be great at? I know you don't want it's hard
to pick one side, but I'm pretty sure he's better
on one side than the other.
Speaker 1 (40:11):
I mean, I like him, how do you too? Yeah,
like have incredible instincts. I think if an instincts are crazy.
The way he can see and his recognition to see
this and diagnose it. And that's what the really great
corners can do to one is that they can see
a formation, they'll see a split, and they'll know automatically
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what's coming. So I look at I look at this split.
I look at these two receivers over here. I might
take a glance over there. Okay, I got up for y'all.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
Run it. If you want to run it.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
If you go to try to run, be all deep
and try to run this sale right it behind it,
and watch what I do to it.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
I Forgure. Yeah, I think he has them.
Speaker 1 (40:53):
I think he has unbelievable instincts, unbelievable recognition, and you
build a package around him. And oh Joe, remember we
talked about Brian Thomas Jr. Yeah, he's there. He's not
better than Brian Thomas Jr.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
No, no, no, no, no, no. Brian Thomas Jr. He
that guy.
Speaker 5 (41:12):
Listen, Brian ty A Antoine. Brian Thomas Jr. Is one
of those receivers that will probably be a top five.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
Receiver maybe maybe after this year.
Speaker 5 (41:20):
He's that good.
Speaker 4 (41:22):
Yeah, out of L s U when you already know
what ls you produced. He wanted he wanted them one.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
Packages. Right.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
But see that's see people when when you and I
we try to explain to people, yeah, build a package.
Uh you know you have a third down package, or
you have a specialty package, a group of plays that
you feel comfortable with him. Maybe it's in the red zone,
maybe it's in certain areas of the fields, certain situation.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
But people like nah, just let him play as much
as he want to play.
Speaker 4 (41:50):
No, no, no, okay, Kak, you can't run him into
the ground. You want you want him to play and
make sure he's efficient on both sides of the ball.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
You wanted to.
Speaker 1 (42:01):
Physicality. Is this body makeup ready for that physicality. There's
the mental approach because you got the study. I mean,
like I said, Okay, we say one thing. Oh you're
about rock recognition as the dB. But you have to
understand also, you have to understand coverages from a wide
receiver perspective. You have to understand. So let's just say,
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for the sake of argument, you play in Miami. Okay,
you guard Tyree for twelve eight, ten, twelve plays. Hey,
now you got to go up again Jayleen Ramsey. Okay,
you know what I'm saying. You guard Zat Flowers and
you god with Sean Bateman, and then you got to
go up against Marlon Humphrey and Wiggins. So you know
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you got to be because you look, there are very
few teams in college that had an elite corner.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
And an elite dB. You're gonna get it every week now,
and you hit it every week every week, even if
the guys aren't certaining. Be really good.
Speaker 1 (43:01):
So now you got you got a Nico, and now
you got Darrin Stingley, and you got Stingley.
Speaker 5 (43:08):
Ooh, that's a nasty Congo.
Speaker 3 (43:11):
I understand what you're saying. Yeah, you're saying, yeah, ain't
no nice, ain't no, ain't no knights off. I'm sorry,
I'm sorry, but.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
Lawrence Taylor has officially said no to Abdua Carter wearing
fifty six. Per New York Post, he said no, no,
he would love to wear that number, but hey, I
think it's retired. Get another number. I don't care if
it's double zero, and make it famous. This is what
doul Carter wrote. The worst thing he could have said
was no, my stance doesn't change. Lt goat nothing but respect.
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This is just gonna make me work even harder. Love it,
Oh Joe, I said it, I said, look me personally,
Oh Joe, I don't even know why he would want
that number because he I mean, do you understand That's
like a kid going to Chicago said hey, right, are
you going? You going dow La and said, okay, can
I get eight? Twenty four? Could I get thirty three?
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Could I get thirty four? Could I get thirty two?
I'm trying to figure what right, Chad, let me tell
you us when I got drafted out the Celtics. This
is true story. It's crazy at your brother. So they
called you get drafted. You go back there and say, hey,
we gotta get this jersey print.
Speaker 3 (44:22):
What number you want? I say, well, I want twenty
four of college. They're like, well, that's definitely not available.
I said, wow, because you got Cozy. We got Coolzy,
you got burd you got Michale, you got parents, you
got Jammis Johnson.
Speaker 2 (44:36):
Jones, what's going jes got Cole, got Tom Right, Jill Russell.
You know what they told me? How about me tell
you what's the numbers available? What that's that?
Speaker 3 (44:50):
The Celtics told me, We're gonna tell you what numbers
are available. That's how many numbers were MATI So I
respect that that LT didn't give his number up.
Speaker 2 (44:58):
Those guys have earned that right.
Speaker 3 (45:00):
They know blood, sweat and tears in them, in them numbers.
They desire to stay there. Father, So I respect that,
and I look, I think abdue Carter. But people don't understand.
Speaker 1 (45:10):
LT is the only player ever to be Defensive Rookie
of the Year and Defensive Player of the Year.
Speaker 2 (45:16):
In the same season.
Speaker 1 (45:17):
Yeah, he's one of two men in the one hundred
plus year history of the NFL to win the MVP
as a defensive player here and Alan Page, do you understand.
Speaker 2 (45:29):
What that means?
Speaker 1 (45:31):
So that means that the guy that wins the Defensive
Player of the Year as a rookie, he's also going
to be Defensive Player.
Speaker 2 (45:36):
Of the Year of the entire league.
Speaker 4 (45:38):
And you know the funny thing about it is, even
if I was a player, and I respect that blue
carter for one to wear fifty six, even if I
was a player, I wouldn't want to be in those shoes,
not in that market, in that market.
Speaker 2 (45:52):
In that media market.
Speaker 4 (45:53):
That means not only are you not only are you
a high pick, then you have to meet expectations every week.
There is no room for error, There is no room
for Era wearing threety six. If he did grace you
the opportunity to wear fifty six, because at every every
turning corner, at every minute, they're gonna have a magnifying
glass on yea as great as you are coming out,
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if anything, would I rather do pick your own.
Speaker 1 (46:17):
Number and make a famous Imagine going to San Francisco
you will receiver and said they can I get eighty?
Speaker 2 (46:29):
Hey, hey, I don't. I don't want I don't even
want that pressure. I don't want that. I don't want
that pressure. You gotta be I understand all you guys
break it down.
Speaker 3 (46:39):
It makes a lot of sense why kid were more
certain people numbers. Yeah, you're right, it's just it's a
handful of guys. You don't want to put that number on.
Speaker 2 (46:47):
Yeah, he trying to. It's certain shoes.
Speaker 4 (46:49):
I don't want to feel bro I take that list
if I was a hooper, Like like said, if I
was a hooper and I happened to go to Chicago,
just hypothetically speaking number, I'm.
Speaker 2 (46:59):
Not waking twenty three. I don't want nothing with a
two hit. Hey, that's too close to twenty three.
Speaker 1 (47:08):
I do want twenty twenty one, twenty two, twenty four,
twenty six.
Speaker 2 (47:12):
I never would have two hit it. I can't mess
with that. Joe. Yeah, let me know what you think.
Speaker 1 (47:28):
We got a Twitter debate for the age and it
started this week and everyone is asking us the way
in it began. Do you think a hundred ninjas could
be one gorilla? Everybody just gotta be dedicated to this.
No dedicate, dedicated to death, dedicated. Hello, people, are you
talking about a chimpan z? Are you are they talking about?
Speaker 2 (47:49):
Said? He said, a gorilla a silver bag.
Speaker 1 (47:54):
They not want to be one hundred. I want to
be one hundred. I'm not gonna be in that first fifteen.
Speaker 2 (48:00):
Listen, it don't matter what number you are.
Speaker 4 (48:01):
I don't think people people are really underestimating the strength
of her silver backed guerrilla in general.
Speaker 2 (48:08):
But you know, nahunt care, you better get a fouber.
And you talked about just what they're gonna do with it. No, no, everybody,
everybody dying.
Speaker 1 (48:30):
What's gonna happen the first the first the first guy
that that that that next patch, they see what you do.
Speaker 2 (48:37):
To that first team.
Speaker 4 (48:43):
So it's so funny when we look at these hypothetical
especially when they come across Twitter, and it's and it's
sometimes it's outlandish because you just viewer, you view you
view gorilla and be like, a hundred of us could
actually take that, and you really don't understand the type
of power.
Speaker 2 (48:59):
One you're gonna hell a man kill? Were you out
of there one playing one? Hey?
Speaker 1 (49:05):
Watch them look at him when they're fighting in the
wild and see how they hit.
Speaker 4 (49:08):
Each other and a one you ever seen the clip,
uh the gorillas they going that in the zoo and
the lady screamed behind the walls.
Speaker 2 (49:18):
Up, somebody do something, break it up.
Speaker 4 (49:21):
Listen, you can you can see the power and them
two out there out there tussling.
Speaker 5 (49:27):
You can, you can feel the power. And it's just
a video and a human being.
Speaker 2 (49:32):
Man stopped playing smoke.
Speaker 1 (49:38):
Like I said, I want to be ninety nine, one
hundred because after he ninety eight, I'm gone.
Speaker 2 (49:44):
But two of us. He ain't never touched. Hey, somebody
gotta live and tell a story. That's gonna be me.
Man A.
Speaker 1 (49:50):
He was slinging up out like, oh my goodness, somebody,
Oh yo, he been somebody off out He roped out like,
oh my god, this people pulled somebody.
Speaker 2 (50:02):
I'm telling you, you be boxing going, don't yo, go
on going in No, no, no, I'm gonna be. I'm
gonna be.
Speaker 4 (50:09):
I'm gonna be one on the end, on the tail,
and I'm gonna be the one to tell a story
so I can tell. I can speak of everybody. Federal, Yeah,
tell them what happened. I don't want no part of that.
Absolutely not all right. Last time, last segment of the
night is time.
Speaker 2 (50:22):
For Q and A. Oh Man. Tonight was good. I
enjoyed that.
Speaker 5 (50:29):
I felt I felt like Doris Burke broy, I'm talking
basketball like.
Speaker 2 (50:36):
Dous Burke good. Though I like Dorus Burke.
Speaker 1 (50:40):
Good.
Speaker 2 (50:41):
She's good.
Speaker 1 (50:43):
Uh Gold standing up? When are you gonna finally admit
Jordan is the goat?
Speaker 2 (50:49):
Never youn't think short, go go James j Okay.
Speaker 1 (51:00):
James Gorman said, Rockets, Rockets, hot pockets, warrias in five.
Speaker 2 (51:11):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (51:14):
Marcell said, Uh, we never talk about the fact that
from an organization point of view, Kawhi did what what
Joelle should have done for his employer with not going
to the Olympics, Kawhi didn't start the season. Now look
at him and Joel was the opposite. I agree, Toy.
Let me know what you think. We saw Joel limp
out into limp out of the season last year.
Speaker 2 (51:35):
He was probably what what you think to your what
on that leg?
Speaker 1 (51:41):
Instead of taking time off having a surgery or this
rest and recovery, he goes into the he goes to
the Olympics, and he comes into the season hobbled. Well,
if you limp into the season, you're gonna limp out
of it because it's hard to get healthy when you're
playing every other night. What do you think, how should Joe,
and I understand the Americans wanted because you had yoke
(52:03):
and they wanted somebody to be able to bang with Yo.
But as a player, selfishly, as an ownership, how do
you think, Joel? If you're Joel, how do you have
let's forget what they should have done. If you're Joel
and beat, how do you handle it?
Speaker 3 (52:18):
I would have probably I would have said listen, grand here,
I would tell grand Hill, Look, I would love to play,
but I got to be healthy come to season.
Speaker 2 (52:25):
These guys are the ones paying me. I need to
be one hundred percent. Is it any way?
Speaker 3 (52:29):
I still could be on the team, go to go
on the trip, participate, maybe even practice a little bit, but.
Speaker 2 (52:35):
I got to sit out.
Speaker 3 (52:36):
I'm not gonna take a chance of getting hurt and
and furthering myself. And I don't know if they would
have did that, but I would have took the recognition
of making the team, but I would have not been
able to play.
Speaker 1 (52:47):
Kind of remember when Bird played and they just kind
of just set by as backwards, you know what I mean?
It was more ceremony. Yeah, I'm I'm on a team.
I'm you know what I mean? I still want to
go with the guys. I want to go to Paris.
Speaker 3 (52:59):
I want to go through the whole procedure. I just
bring my own doctor on the roller, my own workout.
Speaker 2 (53:04):
Guys.
Speaker 3 (53:04):
They worked in the court while we practicing and put
somebody in that spot.
Speaker 2 (53:11):
But at least let me.
Speaker 3 (53:11):
Still be a part of the you know, I want
to hang out with the guys. I want to spend
the summer with the guys and still hang out with them.
But I would have I would have said my obligations
to my team to be healthy to start the season.
We got Paul George, we're trying to do so special.
We got MAXI. We think we got a chance to
compete with the Celtics in the Eastern Conference. That's what
I would have did, because I know it's an honor
to be able to play an Olympic team. I know
(53:32):
guys want to be able to do that and put
that on their resume.
Speaker 1 (53:35):
So I would have figured. I would have just tried
to figure out a way I still could be a
part of it, but not actually participating and playing. And
I think they probably wouldn't let them do it.
Speaker 3 (53:45):
I don't know if for sure if they would have
did it, but they probably would have let them come
and still been a part of the team and still
work out with the guys.
Speaker 2 (53:52):
But I wouldn't have put that pressure on my knee.
Speaker 1 (53:56):
Truth and Antoine may just made me become Seeds fans.
He's asking if they go back to back, do you
think they keep the same team together and try to
go for the three peat? Depending they got new ownership group.
This is people gotta understand that. So this is new
guys coming in.
Speaker 2 (54:14):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (54:14):
I don't know what their their bottom line is gonna
be financially. We know they're paying the pretty penny for
the team.
Speaker 1 (54:20):
You got two guys making three hundred million, and they
got three guys. They got another guy, got two guys
making excess of one hundred million, and Al Horford is
making what thirty forty million dollars a season. Yeah, they
gots and Deck White. Their payts seven guys. To be
honest with the past seven guys. They're past seven guys,
(54:41):
seven guys Chad top money. So I mean it's gonna
be tough. I mean, we know it's hard in basketball
with the salary cap and all that. It's gonna be tough.
Speaker 3 (54:51):
It's just up to the new owners and what they
feel if they want to see if they can get
them a championship under their belt and pay their luxury
tax and and comfortable doing that. Off for the negative,
you know that they want to do start off for
the negative. But it all depends, you know, the Jimmy
still out on the ownership. This this new ownership pactors
group we got. We got to see what how they feel.
(55:12):
It's it's really on them because you got to think
the Celtics and the Celsions.
Speaker 2 (55:16):
Don't have their own arena. That's the problem right now.
Speaker 3 (55:19):
The Celsians don't have the on renner that's sharing that
and so I don't know what this group's gonna do.
Speaker 4 (55:26):
Hey, that's funny when you think about it, a toy
even though they have a new group, even though they're
paying seven players top dollar and top money. If the
reward of what you're paying brings your championship, why not
keep doing it?
Speaker 2 (55:40):
Why not stick with it because you're losing money? You
got ja.
Speaker 1 (55:44):
You got Jason Tatum making three fourteen, Jayalen Brown making
three h six, You got a True Holiday making one thirty,
Derrick White making one twenty, Pa Zingers making probably about
thirty five. You got Adam Morford making about thirty Crayton
Pritchard making good money. So let's just say, let's just say,
for the sake of argument, how much money am I
(56:05):
making by winning that championship?
Speaker 2 (56:09):
And yeah, that was I thought. I thought. Hold, I
thought that was the end goal. So so what is
the end goal as a GM? What is the end goal?
Speaker 5 (56:15):
Is ownership?
Speaker 2 (56:16):
I want to make money, win the championship. I would
have made that.
Speaker 4 (56:19):
I would have wine that ain't that ain't high work, this,
this ain't this, ain't two k.
Speaker 2 (56:24):
Well reading for something. I ain't trying to lose money.
Speaker 3 (56:29):
And I know you watch the game. I think at
some point theirself is gonna have to make a decision.
It's gonna be really impossible to fulfill two three hundred
million dollars contracts for its entirety. I think eventually they're
gonna have to make a decision on which one they're
gonna keep. They're gonna have to get off one of them.
Speaker 1 (56:45):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (56:45):
And I think they kept it to obviously to be
able to win one more. And then I think they're
gonna think about it.
Speaker 3 (56:50):
Like I said, I think they're paying too many guys,
they're gonna have to trade a bust and move or
do something and break it up just a little bit,
just a little bit. And the new ownership grip pap
to do that. Think about this chat. The dollars divers
traded Luca. They traded Lucas because they knew they had
to pay him three fifty. Lucas don't make Luca's gonna
(57:12):
make three fifty next year. They cost Luca one hundred
and sixteen million dollars by trading him.
Speaker 1 (57:16):
That's crazy when you fied California taxes. Yeah, that new
ownership group traded him. Yeah, they got all that money.
Christ k great said, and Twine asked, great football questions?
Make him a regular? Yeah. You can tell Twin likes
the game of football. He's done unbelievable tonight. Appreciate that, Twine.
(57:40):
George Sanders, Bernie Sanders, Colonel Sanders, Lions for the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (57:50):
That was a great Yeah. I like that. You got
some great takes. I'm gonna give you good credit. You
got some great takes.
Speaker 1 (57:56):
Was making to win tomorrow so I can have another one.
How can people be surprised?
Speaker 2 (58:00):
Should it? How can people be surprised?
Speaker 1 (58:03):
Should do it drop so far knowing there was no
team that had a great pre draft interview with him.
Speaker 2 (58:11):
Man, what's y'all? Interview process go through somebody.
Speaker 1 (58:20):
At that interview. Many interview don't mean nothing quarterback. If
they're a quarterback, they'll give you a play. They'll call
a play. Oh yeah, yeah, they'll want you to repeat
said play.
Speaker 2 (58:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (58:31):
Then they already told you to say, Okay, this is
our play right here. It's called such a sad blah
blah blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 2 (58:36):
Okay, here it is. They let you see it on
the screen. They let you see it on the screen. Boom.
Speaker 1 (58:41):
Now they have you regurgitate what that play is and
go draw it up on the blackboard and then.
Speaker 4 (58:49):
Go through your process, go through your reads. If they
do if they do this defensively, where you going with
the ball? But if they do this, where you going
with the ball?
Speaker 2 (58:57):
Like that? I understand that that part of the interview.
But like listen, you have a toy. You have people.
Speaker 4 (59:03):
You go in the interview process and they perfect perfect.
You get to ask on the field can't play worth
a damn. So that interview process to me, man, that
you know what that don't mean nothing to me. What
you look like when you turn the field on, what
you look like when you play against better competition, which
(59:24):
look like when you play against competition that's inferior.
Speaker 2 (59:28):
That's what matters.
Speaker 4 (59:29):
I don't want to hire nobody, No going to no
goddamn board or me asking you questions and how you
talk back to me. That's not winning me no fucking games.
What do you do when the goddamn whistle blows at
one o'clock on Sunday? The mass excuses they given man?
Speaker 3 (59:48):
Just another question to somebody. But his numbers don't Just
like you know, sometimes your numbers stand out where you like,
this guy really can play. So his numbers are relevant
in this draft process. I guess they weren't. I mean
sometimes sometimes people take the numbers. Sometimes people take the
combine somebody. Sometimes people take the interview. You'd like to
have everything lines up.
Speaker 1 (01:00:09):
Guy plays well on the field, guy goes to the combine,
shows out, you bring it to your building, You're like, yep,
love everything about it. Sometimes the guy have two or three.
Sometimes the guy have one or three. Then you have
to make a decision is this the right guy for us? Oh?
You yes, it's two thousand and four, honest question, why
(01:00:29):
can't people criticize your door? His stock plummeted, what's the
football stop? And the conversation started, Well, I.
Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
Mean, you can criticize everybody. Ain't nothing wrong with that.
Speaker 5 (01:00:42):
I agree everybody's worthy your criticism.
Speaker 2 (01:00:48):
I think, don't. I don't mind the criticism. I think nah.
Speaker 3 (01:00:51):
I think it's about if the next guy got picked
and he's better than me, then I can respect that.
I think when from my understanding, the guys could tell
me if I'm wrong. But I don't think the guys
that got picked ahead of him, I don't think you
guys have them from I'm hearing from most people that
wasn't They didn't grade out, they weren't grated, they didn't
grade out better than him.
Speaker 1 (01:01:13):
Yeah, but you see what he said, Oh Joe, he said,
what football stopped? But he's a football player, and we
shure supposed to be having a conversation. We're supposed to
be critiquing him on football football, not in the conversation
surrounding football.
Speaker 2 (01:01:26):
Okay, what what?
Speaker 4 (01:01:27):
What?
Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
What about? So? What did he not play? Well? Did
he not?
Speaker 1 (01:01:30):
I mean I get it. Look, I mean sometimes guys
get nervous. Sometimes guys don't test well and that's okay. Look,
I don't need a guy to take their SAT. I
need a guy to be able to play well on
Sundays and Monday, and I think that's all that matters.
Hey to, I think we need to make this a topic.
These exects have to understand too. And is nil money
(01:01:51):
Now it's real money. Guys are getting in school. So yeah,
you're gonna see him made back. You're gonna see a
diamond chain, you gonna see him road legs, You're gonna
see all these things before that big NFL paycheck because
they already getting money. So you can't judge a guy
because he went out and bought himself some nice things.
He's earned that money. And I think the the execs
gotta understand that too. They have to realize too, guys
(01:02:13):
are gonna have already made it.
Speaker 3 (01:02:14):
They already living in a nice house, they already have
nice status, so you can't hold that against them.
Speaker 2 (01:02:20):
That's part of the game. Now on the on the
collegiate level, that's part of the game.
Speaker 3 (01:02:24):
Now you get n I L money, So you can't
knock this guy because he's getting money and he like
he got a nice change, he got a nice watch.
Of course, that's the things that we want. We're different,
that's how we do, especially in a black culture, you know.
But that's the first thing. I want, first thing, role,
I got that ax.
Speaker 2 (01:02:45):
I want to be a car. I want to.
Speaker 3 (01:02:46):
I want the Bens, I want the mayback. I want
to That's what I want the first thing. So you
I think, I think they're looking at that too, because
he has do down. He had flash already. But this this,
that's the game now in I l money.
Speaker 2 (01:02:59):
Yeah, ain't like you know da.
Speaker 3 (01:03:02):
Daddy play How about this daddy played football for twenty
years and maybe tell him.
Speaker 2 (01:03:06):
And play baseball. And what if he wanted to play baseball?
What if you want to buy some of a bunch
of stuff. So I just said, you know, I ain't
want to just get outside the football ability.
Speaker 3 (01:03:16):
That's why I was so curious to hear you guys
his comment about it as far as football, because it's
same from what I've watched this year.
Speaker 2 (01:03:23):
He was one of the top quarterbacks of football. He
wasn't a hundred and forty he was he should have
been picked one hundred and forty four.
Speaker 1 (01:03:29):
I know, that absolutely, Mark Jasmin said my new Sports
Center nightcap, Seriah p leaves play for my daughter who's
a sophomore at Michigan State and taking finals this week.
We will be at your Detroit show, Cyril, thank you
very much, and we are praying for your daughter and
I know she's gonna knock it out of the park
taking those finals.
Speaker 2 (01:03:48):
Cupcake, Mama. Good evening, guys.
Speaker 1 (01:03:50):
If life, if life had playoffs, what moment in your
life would be your championship win?
Speaker 5 (01:03:56):
WHOA, what moment in life would be my championship win?
Speaker 4 (01:04:01):
When you go ahead, I'm gonna tell you my super Bowl,
my championship win is coming up in twenty twenty six.
Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
When I walk down that out.
Speaker 4 (01:04:11):
Yeah, it finally is that I got finally got something
in life that gives me structure, you know, something that
gives me purpose?
Speaker 2 (01:04:17):
Yeah, you feel me? I got that. I got I
gotta you get married at twenty six, twenty six.
Speaker 4 (01:04:23):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, appreciate it. I may
have Hey, I may have open bar, so all y'all
could come twenty open bars. B it's for it's the
it's for the guests, Okay, okay, yeah, it's it's for
the guests, then I for the half. I'm for to
have Frankie Beverly and maids. I may have him come play.
You will have maids because unfortunately frank.
Speaker 2 (01:04:46):
Frank I have maids.
Speaker 4 (01:04:48):
You know.
Speaker 5 (01:04:48):
Hey, it's gonna be said, Yeah, it's gonna be.
Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
It's gonna be. It's gonna be a good time. Just crops.
You crushed me bad recipe. Peace peace, Frankie recipe.
Speaker 5 (01:05:08):
Oh that's a good one.
Speaker 2 (01:05:10):
Good.
Speaker 1 (01:05:11):
No.
Speaker 2 (01:05:12):
We have two kids of mine, my two daughters. That's
that's that's that's it for me, my two daughters. That's
ad for me. I think we know my championship moment.
Speaker 1 (01:05:23):
TJ said, Oh Joe, I need that court dealing jersey
with your signature on it.
Speaker 4 (01:05:28):
Oh no, boy, Hey that's a classic. That's CD jersey.
I got to hang it up there for a reason
CD CD. This is the last jersey he wore when
he was in Cincinnati. He took it off and threw
his throw his paths in the stands before he left.
Speaker 2 (01:05:41):
That's the jersey had on. I ain't letting that go nowhere.
Speaker 1 (01:05:44):
If ever, please ain't gone tell him I follow a
hard times.
Speaker 2 (01:05:50):
I may have to hant you down journey the court, Dylan.
Speaker 4 (01:05:55):
War ain't but that ain't going nowhere? Bro absolutely not
no self back conclude this episode of Nightcap. Guys, thank
you for joining us for another episode of Nightcap. I
am your host, your favorite unk.
Speaker 1 (01:06:09):
Shannon Sharp, my partner co host number eighty five, Liberty
Cities own Bengal Ring of Fame, Hoarntery Pro Bowler, All
Pro Chad o Cho Senko Johnson and joining us tonight. Man.
Great conversation on basketball and very very knowledgeable about the
game of football. Ask some very interesting questions UPO, Joe
(01:06:29):
and I. He won an NCAA championship in ninety six
at Kentucky. He won an NBA championship in two thousand
and six with the Miami Heat. He is a seventeen
and a half point score throughout his NBA career. Have
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Naw, you work out too much for me. I playing
golf chat got too much.
Speaker 3 (01:07:00):
But I never say you shooting nothing like that, So
I don't know if you skilled enough. I'll just know
you work out a lot. I know you boxing.
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No, I'm of course, man, I'm drinking lot. Okay, okay, okay,
hang off, hang I need a couple of bottles. Huh.
Now I do a little sipping myself.
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Speaker 2 (01:08:43):
Thank you again, very very much.
Speaker 1 (01:08:45):
Shador Sanders, after a long long wait, got drafted by
the Cleveland Browns that picked one four.
Speaker 2 (01:08:52):
The Warriors beat the Rockets one O four ninety three.
Speaker 1 (01:08:54):
Thanks to Steph Curry thirty six points, seven rebounds, nine assists.
The Nuggets clip the Clippers Aaron Gordon's dunks the basketball
as the buzzer goes off. They win one on one
ninety nine thanks to Nicola Jokish thirty six points, twenty
one rebounds, eight assists, and who else we had Thunder
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sweep the Grizzlies thanks the Shay Gil just having thirty
eight minus John you know, they didn't have much of
a chance.
Speaker 2 (01:09:24):
And the Calves go up three to zero as they
blow out the Miami Heat. He had to say it
like that.
Speaker 1 (01:09:31):
I'm punk, He's Oh Joe, thank you Tom for joining us.
We'll see you tomorrow night after the Lakers tie this
thing up.
Speaker 2 (01:09:38):
All right, twan, all right, babies,
The volume Thunder Thunder the Grizzlies, SGA had thirty eight
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points and finally found his rhythm. In the first three games,
he was averaging twenty fourth points per game, but it
was taking in almost twenty three shots to get those.
He was shooting thirty five percent when he shot almost
fifty two percent from the FLOORID In the regular season,
he had made only six of twenty four threes, shooting
twenty five percent, But in Game four, SGA was SGA
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thirteen to twenty four, eleven of thirteen free throws. They
end up sweeping the Memphis Grizzlies, and you knew it
was over. They had a twenty seven point lead, Jock
goes up, comes down and hey, that lead dissipates. They
end up losing that game, so you know, the uh,
it was just a matter of time before they ended
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up getting swept. So they passed the first test. You know,
they've been the best team in the Western Conference for
the entire of the season T one. So what do
you think they're gonna play the winner of the Clippers
Nuggets series?
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Mm hmm, what you like?
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Can can anybody pose a threat to him?
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Honestly, I just think they don't have that next guy.
You know, I think Shaye should be the MVP this year.
Could have won it last year, I wouldn't have no
problem with it. I think this year he gets it.
I don't see that. The second guy I just haven't seen.
I mean, we know where.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
I do. I do like I do like him, but
I need to see him put to the test.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
I need to see him put to the test where
he had to get thirty thirty five on a given night.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Right, So and so I see that. I just don't.
I don't trust them against a veteran team.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
I just think you get one of those the Clippers
or Denver, whichever team you face, those guys have been
there before, or they're gonna know.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
How to guard you. The respect levels a little different.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
They got the they got the toughness to go on
your building to get a win. Right, That's where they're
gonna be a little different. That it's actually not it's
actually kind of bad for them to see either one
of those teams because those teams are older teams and
the veteran teams that can give them trouble because they
because they know how to play in the playoffs. So
neither one of those teams are gonna be great match
ups for them, but they are a great home team
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and by winning them, by having the best record. I
always say this, it means something when you take care
of business in the season, because.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
You get those most important games on the floor, on your.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Floor, you get that five and seven, you get five
and seven on your home floor. That's why you take
care of business during the season. I'll never forget that.
You always want to have that home court advantage. So
that's what it can be. That's where they can have
the advantagers because they play so great in that building.
But it's gonna be tough for them. This is the
next rounds is gonna be tough form. Look for them
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to be long series and can anybody else step up
and help shave out? We know she's gonna ask some
moments where he gets thirty five, forty hell maybe even
forty five.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Who's gonna be that next guy that steps up? And
that's what that's gonna be.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
Remaining to be seen, Hey town, so little basically probably
okay see is similar similar to in the same situation
based on who they play, whether it be the Nuggets,
whether it be the Clippers. There they're gonna be in
a similar situation like the Rockets right now with the Warriors.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Yeah, it's just not saying that they're young that I
mean the Okay, see, guys have been together a while.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
I just think and you guys know that.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
I just similar and Shady goes back to what you
did to start to show up. We start naming stars.
You don't even name Shake, you didn't name nobody else off. Okay, See,
that's a team that wore sixty games this year.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Think about it.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
You didn't name them. You didn't name two three guys
off of Okay. See, I just start thinking nothing wrong
with that. They have great, complimentary guys that got great
role players. I just don't see that next superstar, a
guy that can help you win a game. Who's gonna
go win the game? Besides Shape, I want to see that.
Let's the next guy step I'm get thirty thirty five.
Let's see Shae have ten points, a bad night, foul trouble,
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he gonna get it done. Who's gonna be the next
guy that steps up for them? So that remains to
be seen. That's that's that's where the test is gonna
come in at.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Yeah, Hey, look, I didn't think Memphis was gonna do much.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
And when Scottie Pippen Junior was your best player on
the Memphis Grizzlies and he's I'm happy for him because
he seemingly found a home in Memphis, a home in Memphis,
and they're giving him opportunity to showcase his ability. But
I didn't really I didn't really expect much from from
Memphis in this series.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Even with job.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Maybe they could have got a game, maybe a game,
maybe maybe maybe maybe a game. I think that that
game they had a twenty seven point lead. I think
if Josh stays in, they probably win that one. Maybe
they get a game. Maybe maybe maybe all things equal,
they get to But I mean you look at you
look at them home and had eleven Jayalen Williams had
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twenty three, Hartenstein had eleven in.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Twelve shave with Shade. Uh.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
But what they kill you is that you know they're
a great defensive team because they got Caruso, they got
out there Joe, they got Wallace, they got lou Dor,
they got chat that can protect the rim if somebody
gets beat off the dribble.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
They got big, they got two bigs.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Uh. They and they don't have a problem playing too big,
but then when they go small, they got guys that
are that are scrapping. They can defend. Everybody can defend
at an extremely high level. But I agree with you.
I agree with you. But the question is, man, you
got You got to be able to have Shave under control,
because if you don't, he end up shooting fifteen twenty
the free throws on you.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Oh yeah, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead. For now,
I'm saying you have to beat them. I do agree
with you. You have to beat them. They're not gonna They're
not gonna beat theirself.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
I think with the young group, they got fresh legs,
they play lively, they play great at home, so they're
gonna end They got a guy. I mean, Shae is
a guy. He's a guy that can get you thirty
five four. That's what you want in the playoffs. They
got all the ingredients to make a deep run. I
just worry when you get into a series with better
teams that's made double team shay and may force some
other guys to beat you. All those other guys ready
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to deliver at the level that you need to think
about some of these teams. I mean think about the Lakers.
You know they got two guys that can get it done.
You know when we talked about Okay, see, we just
don't wins is great. Don't get me wrong. It's gonna
be a He's a great young player. Made the All
Star team this year. He's shown that he can be
a twenty five point score. Hell, he's had some thirty
(06:29):
point performances. But if you got to get have another
guy that can go to it. I don't think as
you get along you start playing the better teams, they're
not gonna let Shade beat them. I just don't think that.
I think they're gonna double team. They're gonna make these
other guys have to beat them. If I was playing
against them, that's what I would do. But the Okay,
say did the right thing. Everything gotta come through them.
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They have four games on next floor, and I think
that's what they did a good job.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
But they played well there. And you guys know this,
and you guys.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
Who watch enough basketball, the role guys play better at home.
So now you got those young guys or young guys
on the best planning at home, they play a lot better.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
That's what the advantage is for, ok see yeah, because
they had five guys even though he was on the road.
That was a close game. They have five guys in
double figures. Hongering had eleven, Jalen Williams had twenty three,
Hartenstein had eleven, Uh Shay had thirty eight and Isaiah
Joe uh had eleven when Wiggins had nine.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
But uh, get him other numbers. Kind of loco chat.
You see, you got need somebody else, get an other
number a little low. Now, somebody else get playing the
tam you play.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
They played meth right, play one of them brick dogs.
It's gonna be a it's gonna be a little different.
But you know what I like, But I like them
not to cut you off on you.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
What I like is that wiggin that excuse me that
Williams and Shade take most of the shot, because you
look at it, they took a combined forty five shots
and you had Hongering with the next more shot at nine,
you had a guy took seven, one guy took four, one, one, five,
seven seven at eight.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
So your big dogs eating.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
You got because you know sometimes in the playoffs, God
try to make a name for themselves and that ain't
all of a sudden. You're supposed to be shooting self
eighty times, all of a sudden you shoot fourteen fifty.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
That know, whoa whoa what you're doing? Coach, Hey, you.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Said and Andrew Wiggins is down is in Miami with you?
Speaker 2 (08:27):
You just said, that's a that's another thing. Yes, they
oh what they got another Wakens on the team.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Yeah, young, they got a young wads Okay, okay, John, yoh, Yeah.
I like Wallace, I like Isaiah Joe, but they all
can defend. Look at Caruso can defend. Lou Dort can defend,
Isaiah Jo can defend, Carson Wallace can defend, Hey, Jet
Hangeren defend. So no matter even Shade was like top
(08:57):
three and Steel, So no matter who you have on
the court, you still have at least three guys that
can defend on the ball at all times. And then
if Shave's in there, you got somebody that can protect
the can protect the paint, protect the rim. Hard stided
in me. Look, he can't protect the but he he's
a big body. He'll block the shot to a shot
here or there. I like the way to make up,
(09:19):
But like you said, we'll see the next round. John
didn't want to be seen on camera on the bench,
he saw the broadcast camera on him and put his
hand over his face.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
You good with this, nah I, man, I feel bad
for my guys.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
Shan I remember, I remember you had me on when
he was back on with Fox and we were talking
about him and we had the long discussion with him. Man,
I just wish you did. I mean, he's such a
terrific talent. Man, I just wish he locked in on
playing basketball. You know what I'm saying, and take what
comes with it's that's the good. That's the good comfort.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
You want.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
You want to see that you want your fanciest team,
you care about your team, and that you upset that
you're not playing. That's where you want the camera on.
So I just hope he gets it together. I got
a lot of respect for him. I want him to
be you know, I think he could be one of
the greatest players and playing the game at the point
guard opposition. When he's right healthy and he gives you
that scratch of twenty twenty five games where he's just
playing basketball and not shooting the gun and not doing
(10:09):
all this crazy things. He's one of the best players
in the League. You know, we just don't know if
he's ever gonna figure it out. So I get disappointed
him a little bit on that because it's I don't
hope this talent doesn't go to waste, because you know,
Adam Silver, after a while, it's gonna be.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
You know, you gonna have to go see the big
dog again, and he ain't gonna like what he gonna
do too.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Do you think he needs to be out of Memphis
in order for him to really blossom and fully develop?
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Yep? Right on down here, Miami.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Yep, Chad, he can't come to Miami. Pat I got him,
I got Aaron Sprompson ain't playing that man, That's what
That's what I mean. Sometimes that's what you need.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
Sometimes need to go somewhere like this, where you have
two old school type coaches tost the game of basketball different.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
They got structure, the disciplined. You're right here right now,
and you try to go all the way over here.
You see all that space in between. That's gonna be
the middle. It's gonna be tough. Man, that's gonna be tough.
Do I think he needs an another place, change the scenery.
I don't think he needs to change of scenery.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
I think they have to really strategiously make sure that
they keep the right guys around him. And you know,
I sometimes you break up, you bring a veteran on
the team that maybe not gonna get a lot of
minutes that can help you control that locker room, you
know how they help control some of the out the
court activities. I think that's what they need to do.
You know, sometimes he's got to pick up a guy
like that, maybe a guy that's not gonna do much,
(11:36):
you know what I mean. Think about their boss and
selfish team. They put Al Horford, a nice veteran on
the team with them, who's been on their team for
the last three four years, been great for them.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
A good locker room guy, you know what I mean.
That's what you need. You need some locker room guys.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
Sometimes I think that I like them in Mephoics because
they they've been successful.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
They've had someone that sea. It's not like a bad team.
They got some pieces there.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
He doesn't have to be moved, but he's gonna have
to clean up and things, and I think he can
use another superstar I would like to see.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
I don't know if they'll be able to a free agency. Well,
Trupa J was supposed to be a super superstar. I
don't know. I'm just telling you they paid him like one.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Yeah, I don't know if he kind of he kind
of took a couple of stuffs back this year, especially
in this series.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Yeah, they was banged up this year, a lot off
and on.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
So I'm not gonna put too much on this season
and the coaching change and all that stuff they went through.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Uh, you know, you know that that finding the coach
was kind of weird to me. I know y'all covered
that a long time ago, but I think that played
a part too.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
You know, a couple of years ago, the job around
said I'm fining the West. I might have you worry
about Boston, but I'm fining the West. Zero playoff series
wins one head coach fine in two suspensions.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Yes he fired in the West. One. No, he's not
fining West.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
I would I made for us that love sports and
we love love to see guys make it and do great.
I would love to see on the Miami Heat, where's structure,
where it's disciplined, where basketball has to come first.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
I would love to see him in that type of situation.
Where they can get some of that junk out of them.
But we don't know.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
I mean, Memphis has to make a major decision on
whether or not they want to continue to build around
him and kind of go through his antics, or you
make a move for him while he still has a
little value, because I think he still has some value
right now.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
So I think you can get something for him, and
maybe maybe it might be a must know Kelly, you
guys mutual agreement.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Hey, I try to hear.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
I need a new surrounding. I'm want to try something different.
Maybe you can make a move in that sense, because
they're too totally different teams with the without them is
so they're gonna have to figure that out, two totally
different teams.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
I like it. I like it. I like it.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
Hey, Mickey Harrison, I know you gonna see this. Pat
I need you gonna see this. Spoilster, I let you boy,
my numbers still the same. We can go get y'all
sometime sometime this summer. Oh, I put the pieces in place.
I may I make sure he's good away from the court.
You know, I got the right kind of people. You know,
we don't play no game. We don't do none of that. Okay,
(14:14):
ain't gonna be no driving, ain't gonna be no shoe,
ain't gonna be thrown on, no grade, no no brenees.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Uh uh, you want that. You don't get him over.
You're gonna get him over. Hey, get him a drip?
Speaker 4 (14:22):
No no, no, I gotta I gotta drive it for him.
I gotta drive it. Will get him everywhere he needs
to go. We want to will torn. I've been in
Miami all my life. I don't even club. I ain't
been a club live yet. I just went to Booby
Trap for the first time two weeks ago. I'm fifty
seventy years old, so I know if I can get
drive down here to Miami, I can.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
I can keep him align. We got the same goal.
I want to see you succeed, and any day y'all
with you, he can hang out with me. I thought
I was mister South Beach, so you right hang out
with you. That's better. I thought I was Miss South Beach.
Speaker 5 (14:57):
Hey, don't we don't need to talk about this segment.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Next segment.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
No team has ever recovered from a three to zero
deficit in the NBA Playoff. The heat has shown no
indication that they'll be the first Calves up three to
zero points in the paint. Today, the Calves had sixty,
the Heat had thirty. What's going on? What's going on?
What's going on? What's going on?
Speaker 2 (15:16):
To him?
Speaker 3 (15:18):
I think he just don't have enough. Unfortunately. Uh you know,
Aris Preuss was a great coach. You know, he fought
this hard to get into the playoff situation. They beat
the team like the Bulls, who was kind of probably
equal to them, and beat them to get into this
playoffs game, this playoff series.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
They just don't have enough. I mean, I love Bam.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
I think he's a great piece of the puzzle. I
think they got him as being a major center piece.
I don't think he's that guy. I think he's more
of a AB. He's mother c guy to me because
he doesn't dominate the game enough for me. You know,
eighteen and ten that's cool. You know, a guy like
Bam and the money he's getting maked he's supposed to
be geting twenty five and thirteen. You know, he don't
(15:54):
get that to you every night, you know, getting sixteen
and ten, that's that's that's not gonna get a to
be a a list or B list player in this league.
Tyler Herro is terrific. Obviously, six man in a year
a great score, but he's a six man. He can't
start for you to give you some buckets, but he's
a six man. That's where he's been been his best
at in that role. I just don't think they have enough.
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They're gonna they're gonna have to try to figure it out.
Know they traded for Andrew Wiggins. He could be a
good piece of the puzzle. They're gonna have to get
lucky the draft man. Obviously, I want my championship with
the Heat. I always root for them. I love Eric
Sposum and those guys down there. They're gonna have to
figure it out to try to get.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
A big superstar to put with this young core, or
they're gonna always be in the mixed because they're gonna
they're gonna be a five hundred team two three games under.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
But to make them any real noise, they're gonna have
to add some pieces. They kind of they kind of
stuck in that spot and it's probably not you know what.
You know, sometimes you need to lose so you can
get a higher pick. They kind of stuck they put
themselves in that.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Twelve out of the damn lottery to stay out of
the lottery, and that puts them in bad We.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
See them compete, we see them win big.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
Games from time to time, but when you get in
the playoff series and you need it, they don't have it.
That's mean right now, they don't have the depth. I
don't think they have a superstar right now. Like I said,
I think Bam is a good player. I think he's
a good piece of the puzzle. I think Tyler Hero
is great in his role when he can be the
sixth man. I think he can always be an instant
scorer in his league. I just think they don't have
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enough to compete at the level that they would like to.
That we know Mickey Harrison, pat Riley, Eric Spros and
them guys want to. I mean, Jimmy Butler was exception
to the rule. He got the that he got this
group of most of these guys played with him, got
them to the finals. But they need another piece. That's
a that's a that's a actually the evidence that I
need to show you. If you can get another piece
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with that type of culture, you can make you can
make some moves, but right now they kind of they
stuck as sad.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Right now they have to figure it out.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
The moment we've all waited for Shador, Sanders is drafted
in the fifth round. The Browns traded up and selected.
All these anonymous reports are coming out by Shador having
bad interviews, especially with the Giants. According to Todd McShay,
Shador completely bombed his interview with the Giants. He didn't
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have a great interview with head coach Brian day Ball.
The preparation wasn't there for an install package. Day Ball
called him out and Sanders didn't like it. Dave Ball
had gone eight and twenty six over the past two seasons,
so he probably knows a thing or two about being unprepared.
To be honest with you, I mean, you go eight
and twenty, you go eight twenty six being unprepared. You're
(18:42):
no unprepared person when you see one. Considering over the
last two years, that's kind of exactly what you've been.
And then there's been reports of him having a big
entourage because his brother shoots videos of him being in
the family. He's with his brother and his family, no drinking,
no drugs, no controversy, just living his life.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Oh, Jo, this is I'm gonna start with you first. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Here that he didn't do well in the interview. Yeah,
he didn't hit it off with coach day Ball and
seemed like he was unprepared.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
I didn't like the entourage. Okay, I don't believe it.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
I don't believe it because every single NFL player, every
single When I say every single, I mean every single
has an entourage. Most of the entourage is is family
in France. If it's not family in France, it's friends
that you grew up with.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Everybody has that.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
So I'm not sure why I even came in to
play and we talked about everybody regardless of race, regardless
of the ethnicity, it doesn't matter. So that's one thing
interview interview goes bad.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
I'm prepared now.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
I think I'm thinking about a son of one of
the greatest players of all time, who's always been prepared
and coached and having tutelage from one of the best
of all time, and for some reason, all of a sudden,
you weren't prepared for any when it comes to the
game of football in which he's a quarterback.
Speaker 5 (20:03):
Again, that's something else that's not believable.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
Now, you know, media, media can can can can screw
things and report things that obviously aren't true.
Speaker 5 (20:13):
Bingo, forget that. So he dropped to the Cleveland.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Browns round five? What picked one four? What was it?
One forty five?
Speaker 4 (20:24):
I'm not even tripping at this point. I'm not even
tripping at this point because Prime obviously is prepared should
do it for any and everything dealing with media, dealing
with with with those that doubt you. So I'm just
happy he has this opportunity because what's happening in this scenario,
in this situation in which I still believe, is clusion.
Speaker 5 (20:42):
I'm not talking about race. I'm not talking about race
at all. I'm just speed.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
I'm just saying a collective collusion against brother Sanders and
all the things. And then just the hype and listen
to Machine again. I said last night, I said last night.
We have choices.
Speaker 5 (20:58):
People choose what they want to see. I said it yesterday.
I'm not talking about race at all.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
One thing for sure, the.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
Machine is undefeated and will always remain undefeated anytime it
feels not really threatened.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
But there's another name or family that thinks they can
come in and do things their way.
Speaker 4 (21:21):
They're humble you and this this was then example of it,
an example of it that we've never ever ever seen
before to this magnitude ONNK, We've never seen anything like this.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
I'm happy for Shador.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
I'm happy for Shiloh and for Shador standers getting the
opportunity to play for the Cleveland Browns. His situation is
simple as put. It's delayed, but it's not denied. It's
not about where you go, it's what you do once
you get there.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
So now you know what you need to do.
Speaker 4 (21:47):
The Browns haven't had a quarterback, they haven't had a quarterback,
a sufficient quarterback, consistent quarterback for hey rib since Bernie
for a very long time. This might be that call
be their blessing. This might be his blessing even going there.
So I'm happy for him.
Speaker 5 (22:04):
He's gonna do what's necessary. I'm sure he had the
chip on the shoulder.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
And I'm excited because in that in that AFC North,
you know it run through Cincinnati, and.
Speaker 5 (22:14):
The only way you're gonna get it done is you
got a quarterback.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
I just had that piece. I saw you throw that
in there. What'd you, honestly, man, guys.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
To be honest with you, I mean, I feel for him, obviously,
you know you work so hard and it's tough for
you projected to go first round.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
I had a situation once.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
It's not obviously not the same because basketball is totally
different as far as was the number of people that
get picked. But I was with my best friend Nazi
Muhamma was supposed to be picked lot of when he
came out and na slid to twenty nine and just
sitting there and that obviously it was nothing like where
you have to actually wait a whole nother day to
get drafted.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
But Jay slide. Huh, you wain't two days. He got
drafted the day the way, so it's it's different.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
But I think like this, to be honest with you,
I said that I think you have to play the game, Shannon,
to be honest with you, I think if he would
have I'll play, I'm just gonna play the game, so
I'll get drafted whatever that would have been.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Whatever, And I think sometimes that's what not And I'm
not sure.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
This, and you guys get correct me if I'm wrong,
because it seems like I've never seen an agent and
I would say I'm watching from a father I'm watching
off TV on social media.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Did he do he have an agent? I don't know.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
I bet y'allo made a joke too about our dad
with our agent, and we might need to hire a
new agent. Okay, I don't know, because I think I
think you know how to say it. Sometimes you have
an agent.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
He can tell you the truth behind closed doors of
what they're actually saying and what you need to work on.
So by then I've been to day, he probably not
really hearing everything. They probably can't tell them, so he's
not hearing everything that they're saying.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
So I think that was probably one mistake.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
And I don't know if he had an agent or not,
so if if the agent to kind of buffer that,
to talk to him and kind of figure it out.
But you gotta figure this thing out, man. I think
one thing about it. It was about interview I don't
think the skill set. I mean he put the numbers up.
The numbers speak for theyselves. He had the numbers, so
we got to look at some of the other stuff.
I mean, I worked out for nine teams.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
When I came out, I interviewed with nine teams, So
you gotta go through that process.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
I'm not sure how you interview. Maybe that was a
little sketchy.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
That can rub some gms and it's that's the wrong way,
you know sometimes you know interview, Well, maybe the swagger,
what he's coming with great family, family dynamics. His family
is gonna support him, right, Obviously he had a certain swag,
a certain order he carries with him.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Which we all love, and we all we just talked
about that. We liked that, we talked.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
We all all three of us talked trash, We all celebrated,
we all had fun, so we know that.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
So that's not the problem. We brought our own style,
so that wasn't the problem with him. I just felt
like they didn't play the game that everybody else played,
and they wanted to show them that. Look, it's still
the NFL, We still run this. You still got to
go through this proper pecking order. And I think that's
what it was. That's what it looks like.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
You can't look at him.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
If you look at his numbers and scaled of them,
the guys that got picked perform all this stuff, it
doesn't make sense. So it's gotta be something behind the scenes.
There can't football ability it has to be something behind
the scenes. That's why I said, if he had an agent,
maybe somebody that can hear the noise, because he probably
didn't a real noise, you know what I mean. We
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we all TV watching all the analysts and everybody. But
you know, y'all prefer you so much information. Y'all prove
you so much.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
We're not hearing that real noise, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
So that's what your agent gets that for you to
kind of help you out and maybe help you get
your act together.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
That's why I really want to know if he had
an agent.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
But then, you know the funny thing about it, Ton,
even even at that point, you are you are, Shador
is who he is.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
The Sayings family, they are who they are.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
That that's it, and they've always been unapologetically themselves and
that rubs a lot of people wrong.
Speaker 5 (26:02):
A lot of people don't like that, including some of
those in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
Some of the things that Deanna said.
Speaker 4 (26:07):
In the past they probably didn't like. They probably didn't
like it, you know, he wanted to pull an he
wanted to pull you know with Eli that probably they
probably didn't like it. They quote tweets that he said
a long time ago, and I know.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
Let me tell you why.
Speaker 4 (26:23):
I know this is all collusion. You know, I think
about some like like going, you know what, I'm not
even gonna bring it up. I'm not gonna bring it up.
I'm happy he got where he needed to go. This
is exactly where we're supposed to land because I guarantee
you watch it be a blessing in disguise and them
never having a quarterback and all of a sudden, for
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some reason should do or be in the answer for
the next decade.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
I'm a basketball guy. I'm going to ask you something.
You can ask this because you talked to right now.
Can you ask this if the Cleveland the right fit
for him? Because sometimes that's just regard.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
What no, he went.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
Did he go to a good situation where he can
actually be able to showcase himself and have a real
opportunity to be a starting quarterback in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Do you guys like that situation?
Speaker 4 (27:15):
If the GM and the owners are combatant when his
time comes to be able to compete for a starting job,
if they continue to build around him, yes, it's the
right place.
Speaker 5 (27:29):
If they continue to do right by the quarterback position.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
Like other teams are doing like they do for the Mahomes,
and they do for the Jalen Hurts, and they do
for you know, the other quarterbacks, the Jaydon Daniels.
Speaker 5 (27:41):
As you continue to put the pieces to the postal.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
To ride him while you have a quarterback on.
Speaker 5 (27:45):
A very very cheap I hate using that word cheap,
but you know, a very affordable contract.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
We can build it right right.
Speaker 5 (27:52):
Yeah, I think he's he's in the right place.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
But if they do what they've.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
Always done for a very long time, which where they've
been through to a seventy six thousand quarterbacks, then it
would be the same, the same process and repeat itself.
They had Baker Mayfield, you had number one pick. There
was nothing wrong with Baker Mayfield because look what he's
doing in Tampa Bay. So that tells you where the
problem lies. That the problem lies with Cleveland internally. Now
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you've got an opportunity again, let's not f it up.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Yeah, I do.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
I love when the quarterbacks, young quarterbacks come in. They
have an unbelievable support system. Hopefully you have somebody that
can that's really smart schematically knows how the diagram plays. Oh,
Joe knows how to put quarterbacks in the right situation,
you have a decent running back. I'm not saying you
need saque I mean, although that would be nice to
have a Saquon Barkley and Deck Henry On a rookie quarterback,
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but you need quality receivers.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
You see CJ.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
Stroud where he went and had success. Look at the
receiving cord that he had. You look at Jade Daniels,
look at the receiving cord that he had. The question
is are there enough pieces around any quarterback for regardless
if it's a rookie or not, is there are enough
pieces around him so he can adequately do what he
needs to get done. I think uh Stefanowski is as
an unbelievable coach. He's the coach of the year. He
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knows how the call plays, he knows how the scheme plays,
and so now it just comes down to, Okay, when
you get your opportunity, you gotta shine. You gotta prepare
like there's no tomorrow, because that's already out there.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
O Joe.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
You see what they saying he was unprepared. You see
what they did, O Joe. See we already put that
out there on you.
Speaker 4 (29:23):
Now, hey, that's the game. They're gonna play the game.
They're going to play the game. There's only one way
you could be the game. That's in between the lines. Yeah,
No matter what to say, it blocks out all the noise.
You can only be the game in between the lines.
That's it, no matter what they say.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
But but I will say this on Joe, I don't
know if they're gonna allow Bluckie to go in and
film everything that that your door is doing, that's over.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
No, that's over now.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
When you when you're at Colorado and your dad's the
head coach, they're gonna allow that.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
That's over with now. Yeah, I mean they understand that.
I thought he was the video guy. I thought he's
the video guy for yeah you can, you can. You
can't do that now.
Speaker 4 (30:02):
Once you once you enter that building, once you on
grounds in that facility, all that all that's done.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
Yeah uh yeah, And so that's that's having it. Auntie Rock. Yeah,
I don't like I said, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
I don't know if he went to the building and
they tried to go in the meeting rooms and Bucket
was trying to capture content. Uh, he doesn't have an
agent because time agent was Eugene Parker rested sold Eugene
passed away several years ago, and so I'm sure Time
will probably interview somebody now.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
And i'd agree. I agree with you, Twine, probably.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
And that's the thing, because you have an agent and
they hear things that they can tell you things.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
Now, they're gonna all the really really bad stuff.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
They ain't gonna share that with you because they don't
want to mess with your mentally, but they'll share enough
of stuff with you so you get the picture and
get a great understanding of what's actually going on.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
So if I'm not I'm mistaken.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
I so you know, obviously my agent was obviously when
I first got the league of Jerome Stanley, phenomenal dude
did did really well for me on the back end
of my career from the middle on the back end,
it was Drew Rosenhouse. And if I'm I'm not mistaken,
I saw drews Rosenhouse post for Shiloh Sanders once he
got drafted. So I'm assuming Drew rosen House must to
be represent representing Shiloh. I'm not sure you represents your
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door though, right.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
I get it, because Okay, the Brian's Court the current
quarterback room, Deshaun Watson, Joe Flacco, Kenny Pickett, Dylan Gabriel,
Shadoor Sanders, Deshn Watson, Starter, Flaco a Vet. If Desjon
can't go, you got Kenny Pickett, the backup, Dylan Gabriel,
rookie Chador, rookie Phil.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
What's going on? I mean, damn, what's really going on?
What's really going on on? Joe Hey, I like to compete.
I ain't got no problem with it. I like to compete.
Who I need to beat out? I love Kenny Pickett.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
I love I don't know how you beat Desjon out
when he got another forty eight got thirty eight million
dollars this year, in the up for forty million next year.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
And he's not not playing this year. Okay, you're not
gonna play this year. Okay, So.
Speaker 5 (32:08):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, kiddies, Yeah, so listen, I'm I'm gonna
take you.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
I'm gonna tell you guy, it's gonna play out. I
love Knny Pickt. I love Kenny Pickett.
Speaker 4 (32:19):
I love that that No brother Gabriel, but Shador if
he does what he's supposed to do. You know, we've
seen Kenny Pickett already we haven't seen Dylan Gabriel yet,
But I'm just saying I know probably like I'm gonna start,
he's gonna start at some point. Don't get a shot.
At some point he's gonna get that shot. And when
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the door opened.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
Let me ask, both of you got Wrobert Cleveland WHILELD
Cleveland do that? While with Cleveland won a quarterback whom
we're five guys, And that brings up but is that
does that mean thing?
Speaker 4 (32:55):
Three?
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (32:58):
Okay, because the shot Shawn DeShawn is not playing.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
He's not playing like January or February or something like that.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
You're right, I forgot late. Well yeah, you might just
go ahead and you know, put him on our R
and go ahead and let that go. Uh what, I
don't get Cleveland at some point in time. Y'all gotta
stop trading back. Y'all could have had Julio Jones. You
traded back.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
You could have had you could have had Travis Hunter,
and you're do her. You're traded back.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Yeah, some one time when guys are sitting there waiting
for you to take them, take them, right, yeah, take them.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
It's okay.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
I guess they're looking at it like we're more than
one player away, but sometimes that player can help change
things around. I don't I don't get it. I don't
get what they're doing with this situation. Uh, like you said, Twine,
he had an unbelievable college career. He played well at
Jackson State, and then they said, well, yes, Jackson State,
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that's why you're doing that. He goes to Colorado. He
puts some successual numbers. Uh, you know, great completion percent
that he throws guys open. No, he's not the most
athletic guy, but he's not a decatholic. He don't need
to high jump, long jump, pole vault, shot put hurdle
one hundred, four hundred fifteen.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
He don't need to do all that all he needed
to do. Can he take three? Can he drop back five?
Can his own read? Can can he do the stuff?
Can he process information in a hurry? That's what a
quarterback needs. He needs to be confident.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
He needs to be able to process information in the hurry,
and he needs to be able to retain information. I mean,
he showed you that, He's shown you he can do that.
Ever since he's i mean from from middle school to
high school to college. So let's see if that is
that's transferable. I like to think I like to think
that it is. But you don't know, Twine. You know
this same thing with all sports. You don't know what
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you have with a guy until you get him in
your building and put him in your uniform. That's when
you one percent know for certain what the hell I got? Yeh,
because all this other stuff, well, he won this alward,
and he did all this, and he did all of that.
And I've seen it having played in the NFL. Guys
come in and have all these credentials and I don't
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know how they Hey, somebody gave you a fake passport,
cause I don't know how you get all I don't
know how you get all that.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
Let me ask you, guys, in football, is it about
the number? Or is it more about the fit? Fit?
It's always gonna be fit, It's always gonna be finished fit.
So is that always? Do you guys think?
Speaker 5 (35:24):
So?
Speaker 2 (35:24):
If you had to greg this fit, where would you
guys go? Right now? Compete? But like personally I would
have liked New Orleans a little better. I would like
New Orleans better too.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
But the thing is now, because Twa, I was telling
what your last night is that I went to a
team I was a big wide receiver.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
I went to one of the three teams that had
the H back position.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
Washington at the H back position, the Broncos had the
H back position, and uh uh the Chargers, uh San
Diego there in San Diego then had the H back position.
Every tight end on the roster got hurt. I'm the
biggest receiver. Coach, Reez, come a, would you be willing
to move days back? I'm gonna catch the ball. Yeah,
if you throw me, if you learned to plays. Okay,
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So now here I am a big wide receiver. Imagine
I don't go to a team that has the age
back position. So I switched midway through like a third
of the way I have like probably like week eight,
Week nine, Week ten, they moved me to like tight end.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
Kinda and the rest of that they say history. So
it's absolutely where you go.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
Not I get it because a lot of times twin
you know this first four and five picks, they get
a boatload of money. Now you want to make a
boatload of money for a short period of time, for
an extended period of time, cause I had a fourteen
year career, there are a lot of guys that went
in the first round on show, they made money for
a three four year period. I made money for a
fourteen year period. It's not how much money you make,
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it's how long you make money and then what you're
gonna do. It's not how much money you make, it's
how much you keep. So it's absolutely twine where.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
You go that fit and what they do for you
while you're there.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
He got it's made a little money in the space too,
So he's, oh, yeah, had he known what he knows,
he'd have stayed in college and made some more and
il money. He's like, hell, if y'all gonna take me
in the field round, he made more yet I'm ailing.
What is the rookie contract joke? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (37:23):
Yeah, wow, that is wow.
Speaker 4 (37:26):
But listen, I think I think the situation in general
is good for him. It puts a chip on the shoulder. Yeah,
oh this is this is how you feel about me? Okay,
bet hold my beer, I got this. Watch me listen.
I faced that versus before. I've had the hurdle obstacles before.
This is just another one that's in the way. I'm
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going to show you. I'm going to prove to you
that I'm worthy of doing all the things you said.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
I can't.
Speaker 5 (37:52):
Oh you feel I'm a fifth round pit I mean
I'm I'm a fifth rounder.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
Okay, bet I'm not. I'm not tripping. I'm not tupping
all again.
Speaker 5 (38:01):
Chadeur's a chat.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
I know y'all can hear me.
Speaker 5 (38:04):
Chadeur's situation as simple as this.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
It was delayed.
Speaker 5 (38:09):
It wasn't he one denied, that's all.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
Yeah, when you get there, hey, do what you're supposed
to do and everything else. To take care of himself.
Wan't nobody care where you got drafted at it?
Speaker 2 (38:20):
He had to wait.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
It was so disappointed, and they prank calling him and
doing all this other stuff. When you go do what
you need to do, everything is fine. Everything, everything can
work itself out. Speaking of Traff, the Jaguars one hundred
percent committed the Travis bart of letting him play wide
receiver and corner. They told him, you got a bold
vision and we got a bold vision for you.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
Yeah. Oh y'all, yeah, what you're thinking. I like what
you mean. What I'm thinking, I'm thinking, duvall Man, I
like it. I like it.
Speaker 4 (38:50):
Listen, he said. He said it, not only during the interview.
Process allow him to do what he has dreamed of
and been working on. Then tidy of his career so far,
I mean as far as Kali collegiate wise. He said
he has a belief and believes he believes that's the
one thing that you need in anything that you do,
regardless of whether it's the corporate world or whether it's sports.
If I believe I can do what I can achieve it,
You and I we have different beliefs on whether they
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can do it at this level, but.
Speaker 5 (39:13):
We're gonna find out now. We're gonna find out.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
Even play both sides of the ball.
Speaker 4 (39:16):
I like the fact that the owners, the GMS, and
everyone else inside that that that locker room are going
to allow him to do exactly what he did in college.
Speaker 2 (39:26):
To what extent, I'm not sure. I'm not sure.
Speaker 4 (39:29):
I think they gave a brief, a brief press conference
on ways they can figure out on how to do it.
I'm just excited, man, Man, I'm happy. I'm happy for
trav I'm happy for the Jaguars. I'm happy for the
fans in that city, especially the city itself.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
Man, they got a good one.
Speaker 4 (39:45):
Then he's gonna put some busts in the seats and
he's gonna make it exciting for the next next decade.
Speaker 3 (39:50):
I got a question for you guys, just you know,
as football guys, just honestly, what if you you guys
know how talent he is and how good he is?
Which one is best at? Which one do you think
he can be the Which one you think he can
be great at? I know you don't want it's hard
to pick one side, but I'm pretty sure he's better
on one side than the other.
Speaker 1 (40:11):
I mean, I like him, how do you too? Yeah,
like have incredible instincts. I think if an instincts are crazy.
The way he can see and his recognition to see
this and diagnose it. And that's what the really great
corners can do to one is that they can see
a formation, they'll see a split, and they'll know automatically
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what's coming. So I look at I look at this split.
I look at these two receivers over here. I might
take a glance over there. Okay, I got up for y'all.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
Run it. If you want to run it.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
If you go to try to run, be all deep
and try to run this sale right it behind it,
and watch what I do to it.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
I Forgure. Yeah, I think he has them.
Speaker 1 (40:53):
I think he has unbelievable instincts, unbelievable recognition, and you
build a package around him. And oh Joe, remember we
talked about Brian Thomas Jr. Yeah, he's there. He's not
better than Brian Thomas Jr.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
No, no, no, no, no, no. Brian Thomas Jr. He
that guy.
Speaker 5 (41:12):
Listen, Brian ty A Antoine. Brian Thomas Jr. Is one
of those receivers that will probably be a top five.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
Receiver maybe maybe after this year.
Speaker 5 (41:20):
He's that good.
Speaker 4 (41:22):
Yeah, out of L s U when you already know
what ls you produced. He wanted he wanted them one.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
Packages. Right.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
But see that's see people when when you and I
we try to explain to people, yeah, build a package.
Uh you know you have a third down package, or
you have a specialty package, a group of plays that
you feel comfortable with him. Maybe it's in the red zone,
maybe it's in certain areas of the fields, certain situation.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
But people like nah, just let him play as much
as he want to play.
Speaker 4 (41:50):
No, no, no, okay, Kak, you can't run him into
the ground. You want you want him to play and
make sure he's efficient on both sides of the ball.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
You wanted to.
Speaker 1 (42:01):
Physicality. Is this body makeup ready for that physicality. There's
the mental approach because you got the study. I mean,
like I said, Okay, we say one thing. Oh you're
about rock recognition as the dB. But you have to
understand also, you have to understand coverages from a wide
receiver perspective. You have to understand. So let's just say,
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for the sake of argument, you play in Miami. Okay,
you guard Tyree for twelve eight, ten, twelve plays. Hey,
now you got to go up again Jayleen Ramsey. Okay,
you know what I'm saying. You guard Zat Flowers and
you god with Sean Bateman, and then you got to
go up against Marlon Humphrey and Wiggins. So you know
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you got to be because you look, there are very
few teams in college that had an elite corner.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
And an elite dB. You're gonna get it every week now,
and you hit it every week every week, even if
the guys aren't certaining. Be really good.
Speaker 1 (43:01):
So now you got you got a Nico, and now
you got Darrin Stingley, and you got Stingley.
Speaker 5 (43:08):
Ooh, that's a nasty Congo.
Speaker 3 (43:11):
I understand what you're saying. Yeah, you're saying, yeah, ain't
no nice, ain't no, ain't no knights off. I'm sorry,
I'm sorry, but.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
Lawrence Taylor has officially said no to Abdua Carter wearing
fifty six. Per New York Post, he said no, no,
he would love to wear that number, but hey, I
think it's retired. Get another number. I don't care if
it's double zero, and make it famous. This is what
doul Carter wrote. The worst thing he could have said
was no, my stance doesn't change. Lt goat nothing but respect.
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This is just gonna make me work even harder. Love it,
Oh Joe, I said it, I said, look me personally,
Oh Joe, I don't even know why he would want
that number because he I mean, do you understand That's
like a kid going to Chicago said hey, right, are
you going? You going dow La and said, okay, can
I get eight? Twenty four? Could I get thirty three?
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Could I get thirty four? Could I get thirty two?
I'm trying to figure what right, Chad, let me tell
you us when I got drafted out the Celtics. This
is true story. It's crazy at your brother. So they
called you get drafted. You go back there and say, hey,
we gotta get this jersey print.
Speaker 3 (44:22):
What number you want? I say, well, I want twenty
four of college. They're like, well, that's definitely not available.
I said, wow, because you got Cozy. We got Coolzy,
you got burd you got Michale, you got parents, you
got Jammis Johnson.
Speaker 2 (44:36):
Jones, what's going jes got Cole, got Tom Right, Jill Russell.
You know what they told me? How about me tell
you what's the numbers available? What that's that?
Speaker 3 (44:50):
The Celtics told me, We're gonna tell you what numbers
are available. That's how many numbers were MATI So I
respect that that LT didn't give his number up.
Speaker 2 (44:58):
Those guys have earned that right.
Speaker 3 (45:00):
They know blood, sweat and tears in them, in them numbers.
They desire to stay there. Father, So I respect that,
and I look, I think abdue Carter. But people don't understand.
Speaker 1 (45:10):
LT is the only player ever to be Defensive Rookie
of the Year and Defensive Player of the Year.
Speaker 2 (45:16):
In the same season.
Speaker 1 (45:17):
Yeah, he's one of two men in the one hundred
plus year history of the NFL to win the MVP
as a defensive player here and Alan Page, do you understand.
Speaker 2 (45:29):
What that means?
Speaker 1 (45:31):
So that means that the guy that wins the Defensive
Player of the Year as a rookie, he's also going
to be Defensive Player.
Speaker 2 (45:36):
Of the Year of the entire league.
Speaker 4 (45:38):
And you know the funny thing about it is, even
if I was a player, and I respect that blue
carter for one to wear fifty six, even if I
was a player, I wouldn't want to be in those shoes,
not in that market, in that market.
Speaker 2 (45:52):
In that media market.
Speaker 4 (45:53):
That means not only are you not only are you
a high pick, then you have to meet expectations every week.
There is no room for error, There is no room
for Era wearing threety six. If he did grace you
the opportunity to wear fifty six, because at every every
turning corner, at every minute, they're gonna have a magnifying
glass on yea as great as you are coming out,
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if anything, would I rather do pick your own.
Speaker 1 (46:17):
Number and make a famous Imagine going to San Francisco
you will receiver and said they can I get eighty?
Speaker 2 (46:29):
Hey, hey, I don't. I don't want I don't even
want that pressure. I don't want that. I don't want
that pressure. You gotta be I understand all you guys
break it down.
Speaker 3 (46:39):
It makes a lot of sense why kid were more
certain people numbers. Yeah, you're right, it's just it's a
handful of guys. You don't want to put that number on.
Speaker 2 (46:47):
Yeah, he trying to. It's certain shoes.
Speaker 4 (46:49):
I don't want to feel bro I take that list
if I was a hooper, Like like said, if I
was a hooper and I happened to go to Chicago,
just hypothetically speaking number, I'm.
Speaker 2 (46:59):
Not waking twenty three. I don't want nothing with a
two hit. Hey, that's too close to twenty three.
Speaker 1 (47:08):
I do want twenty twenty one, twenty two, twenty four,
twenty six.
Speaker 2 (47:12):
I never would have two hit it. I can't mess
with that. Joe. Yeah, let me know what you think.
Speaker 1 (47:28):
We got a Twitter debate for the age and it
started this week and everyone is asking us the way
in it began. Do you think a hundred ninjas could
be one gorilla? Everybody just gotta be dedicated to this.
No dedicate, dedicated to death, dedicated. Hello, people, are you
talking about a chimpan z? Are you are they talking about?
Speaker 2 (47:49):
Said? He said, a gorilla a silver bag.
Speaker 1 (47:54):
They not want to be one hundred. I want to
be one hundred. I'm not gonna be in that first fifteen.
Speaker 2 (48:00):
Listen, it don't matter what number you are.
Speaker 4 (48:01):
I don't think people people are really underestimating the strength
of her silver backed guerrilla in general.
Speaker 2 (48:08):
But you know, nahunt care, you better get a fouber.
And you talked about just what they're gonna do with it. No, no, everybody,
everybody dying.
Speaker 1 (48:30):
What's gonna happen the first the first the first guy
that that that that next patch, they see what you do.
Speaker 2 (48:37):
To that first team.
Speaker 4 (48:43):
So it's so funny when we look at these hypothetical
especially when they come across Twitter, and it's and it's
sometimes it's outlandish because you just viewer, you view you
view gorilla and be like, a hundred of us could
actually take that, and you really don't understand the type
of power.
Speaker 2 (48:59):
One you're gonna hell a man kill? Were you out
of there one playing one? Hey?
Speaker 1 (49:05):
Watch them look at him when they're fighting in the
wild and see how they hit.
Speaker 4 (49:08):
Each other and a one you ever seen the clip,
uh the gorillas they going that in the zoo and
the lady screamed behind the walls.
Speaker 2 (49:18):
Up, somebody do something, break it up.
Speaker 4 (49:21):
Listen, you can you can see the power and them
two out there out there tussling.
Speaker 5 (49:27):
You can, you can feel the power. And it's just
a video and a human being.
Speaker 2 (49:32):
Man stopped playing smoke.
Speaker 1 (49:38):
Like I said, I want to be ninety nine, one
hundred because after he ninety eight, I'm gone.
Speaker 2 (49:44):
But two of us. He ain't never touched. Hey, somebody
gotta live and tell a story. That's gonna be me.
Man A.
Speaker 1 (49:50):
He was slinging up out like, oh my goodness, somebody,
Oh yo, he been somebody off out He roped out like,
oh my god, this people pulled somebody.
Speaker 2 (50:02):
I'm telling you, you be boxing going, don't yo, go
on going in No, no, no, I'm gonna be. I'm
gonna be.
Speaker 4 (50:09):
I'm gonna be one on the end, on the tail,
and I'm gonna be the one to tell a story
so I can tell. I can speak of everybody. Federal, Yeah,
tell them what happened. I don't want no part of that.
Absolutely not all right. Last time, last segment of the
night is time.
Speaker 2 (50:22):
For Q and A. Oh Man. Tonight was good. I
enjoyed that.
Speaker 5 (50:29):
I felt I felt like Doris Burke broy, I'm talking
basketball like.
Speaker 2 (50:36):
Dous Burke good. Though I like Dorus Burke.
Speaker 1 (50:40):
Good.
Speaker 2 (50:41):
She's good.
Speaker 1 (50:43):
Uh Gold standing up? When are you gonna finally admit
Jordan is the goat?
Speaker 2 (50:49):
Never youn't think short, go go James j Okay.
Speaker 1 (51:00):
James Gorman said, Rockets, Rockets, hot pockets, warrias in five.
Speaker 2 (51:11):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (51:14):
Marcell said, Uh, we never talk about the fact that
from an organization point of view, Kawhi did what what
Joelle should have done for his employer with not going
to the Olympics, Kawhi didn't start the season. Now look
at him and Joel was the opposite. I agree, Toy.
Let me know what you think. We saw Joel limp
out into limp out of the season last year.
Speaker 2 (51:35):
He was probably what what you think to your what
on that leg?
Speaker 1 (51:41):
Instead of taking time off having a surgery or this
rest and recovery, he goes into the he goes to
the Olympics, and he comes into the season hobbled. Well,
if you limp into the season, you're gonna limp out
of it because it's hard to get healthy when you're
playing every other night. What do you think, how should Joe,
and I understand the Americans wanted because you had yoke
(52:03):
and they wanted somebody to be able to bang with Yo.
But as a player, selfishly, as an ownership, how do
you think, Joel? If you're Joel, how do you have
let's forget what they should have done. If you're Joel
and beat, how do you handle it?
Speaker 3 (52:18):
I would have probably I would have said listen, grand here,
I would tell grand Hill, Look, I would love to play,
but I got to be healthy come to season.
Speaker 2 (52:25):
These guys are the ones paying me. I need to
be one hundred percent. Is it any way?
Speaker 3 (52:29):
I still could be on the team, go to go
on the trip, participate, maybe even practice a little bit, but.
Speaker 2 (52:35):
I got to sit out.
Speaker 3 (52:36):
I'm not gonna take a chance of getting hurt and
and furthering myself. And I don't know if they would
have did that, but I would have took the recognition
of making the team, but I would have not been
able to play.
Speaker 1 (52:47):
Kind of remember when Bird played and they just kind
of just set by as backwards, you know what I mean?
It was more ceremony. Yeah, I'm I'm on a team.
I'm you know what I mean? I still want to
go with the guys. I want to go to Paris.
Speaker 3 (52:59):
I want to go through the whole procedure. I just
bring my own doctor on the roller, my own workout.
Speaker 2 (53:04):
Guys.
Speaker 3 (53:04):
They worked in the court while we practicing and put
somebody in that spot.
Speaker 2 (53:11):
But at least let me.
Speaker 3 (53:11):
Still be a part of the you know, I want
to hang out with the guys. I want to spend
the summer with the guys and still hang out with them.
But I would have I would have said my obligations
to my team to be healthy to start the season.
We got Paul George, we're trying to do so special.
We got MAXI. We think we got a chance to
compete with the Celtics in the Eastern Conference. That's what
I would have did, because I know it's an honor
to be able to play an Olympic team. I know
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guys want to be able to do that and put
that on their resume.
Speaker 1 (53:35):
So I would have figured. I would have just tried
to figure out a way I still could be a
part of it, but not actually participating and playing. And
I think they probably wouldn't let them do it.
Speaker 3 (53:45):
I don't know if for sure if they would have
did it, but they probably would have let them come
and still been a part of the team and still
work out with the guys.
Speaker 2 (53:52):
But I wouldn't have put that pressure on my knee.
Speaker 1 (53:56):
Truth and Antoine may just made me become Seeds fans.
He's asking if they go back to back, do you
think they keep the same team together and try to
go for the three peat? Depending they got new ownership group.
This is people gotta understand that. So this is new
guys coming in.
Speaker 2 (54:14):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (54:14):
I don't know what their their bottom line is gonna
be financially. We know they're paying the pretty penny for
the team.
Speaker 1 (54:20):
You got two guys making three hundred million, and they
got three guys. They got another guy, got two guys
making excess of one hundred million, and Al Horford is
making what thirty forty million dollars a season. Yeah, they
gots and Deck White. Their payts seven guys. To be
honest with the past seven guys. They're past seven guys,
(54:41):
seven guys Chad top money. So I mean it's gonna
be tough. I mean, we know it's hard in basketball
with the salary cap and all that. It's gonna be tough.
Speaker 3 (54:51):
It's just up to the new owners and what they
feel if they want to see if they can get
them a championship under their belt and pay their luxury
tax and and comfortable doing that. Off for the negative,
you know that they want to do start off for
the negative. But it all depends, you know, the Jimmy
still out on the ownership. This this new ownership pactors
group we got. We got to see what how they feel.
(55:12):
It's it's really on them because you got to think
the Celtics and the Celsions.
Speaker 2 (55:16):
Don't have their own arena. That's the problem right now.
Speaker 3 (55:19):
The Celsians don't have the on renner that's sharing that
and so I don't know what this group's gonna do.
Speaker 4 (55:26):
Hey, that's funny when you think about it, a toy
even though they have a new group, even though they're
paying seven players top dollar and top money. If the
reward of what you're paying brings your championship, why not
keep doing it?
Speaker 2 (55:40):
Why not stick with it because you're losing money? You
got ja.
Speaker 1 (55:44):
You got Jason Tatum making three fourteen, Jayalen Brown making
three h six, You got a True Holiday making one thirty,
Derrick White making one twenty, Pa Zingers making probably about
thirty five. You got Adam Morford making about thirty Crayton
Pritchard making good money. So let's just say, let's just say,
for the sake of argument, how much money am I
(56:05):
making by winning that championship?
Speaker 2 (56:09):
And yeah, that was I thought. I thought. Hold, I
thought that was the end goal. So so what is
the end goal as a GM? What is the end goal?
Speaker 5 (56:15):
Is ownership?
Speaker 2 (56:16):
I want to make money, win the championship. I would
have made that.
Speaker 4 (56:19):
I would have wine that ain't that ain't high work, this,
this ain't this, ain't two k.
Speaker 2 (56:24):
Well reading for something. I ain't trying to lose money.
Speaker 3 (56:29):
And I know you watch the game. I think at
some point theirself is gonna have to make a decision.
It's gonna be really impossible to fulfill two three hundred
million dollars contracts for its entirety. I think eventually they're
gonna have to make a decision on which one they're
gonna keep. They're gonna have to get off one of them.
Speaker 1 (56:45):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (56:45):
And I think they kept it to obviously to be
able to win one more. And then I think they're
gonna think about it.
Speaker 3 (56:50):
Like I said, I think they're paying too many guys,
they're gonna have to trade a bust and move or
do something and break it up just a little bit,
just a little bit. And the new ownership grip pap
to do that. Think about this chat. The dollars divers
traded Luca. They traded Lucas because they knew they had
to pay him three fifty. Lucas don't make Luca's gonna
(57:12):
make three fifty next year. They cost Luca one hundred
and sixteen million dollars by trading him.
Speaker 1 (57:16):
That's crazy when you fied California taxes. Yeah, that new
ownership group traded him. Yeah, they got all that money.
Christ k great said, and Twine asked, great football questions?
Make him a regular? Yeah. You can tell Twin likes
the game of football. He's done unbelievable tonight. Appreciate that, Twine.
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George Sanders, Bernie Sanders, Colonel Sanders, Lions for the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (57:50):
That was a great Yeah. I like that. You got
some great takes. I'm gonna give you good credit. You
got some great takes.
Speaker 1 (57:56):
Was making to win tomorrow so I can have another one.
How can people be surprised?
Speaker 2 (58:00):
Should it? How can people be surprised?
Speaker 1 (58:03):
Should do it drop so far knowing there was no
team that had a great pre draft interview with him.
Speaker 2 (58:11):
Man, what's y'all? Interview process go through somebody.
Speaker 1 (58:20):
At that interview. Many interview don't mean nothing quarterback. If
they're a quarterback, they'll give you a play. They'll call
a play. Oh yeah, yeah, they'll want you to repeat
said play.
Speaker 2 (58:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (58:31):
Then they already told you to say, Okay, this is
our play right here. It's called such a sad blah
blah blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 2 (58:36):
Okay, here it is. They let you see it on
the screen. They let you see it on the screen. Boom.
Speaker 1 (58:41):
Now they have you regurgitate what that play is and
go draw it up on the blackboard and then.
Speaker 4 (58:49):
Go through your process, go through your reads. If they
do if they do this defensively, where you going with
the ball? But if they do this, where you going
with the ball?
Speaker 2 (58:57):
Like that? I understand that that part of the interview.
But like listen, you have a toy. You have people.
Speaker 4 (59:03):
You go in the interview process and they perfect perfect.
You get to ask on the field can't play worth
a damn. So that interview process to me, man, that
you know what that don't mean nothing to me. What
you look like when you turn the field on, what
you look like when you play against better competition, which
(59:24):
look like when you play against competition that's inferior.
Speaker 2 (59:28):
That's what matters.
Speaker 4 (59:29):
I don't want to hire nobody, No going to no
goddamn board or me asking you questions and how you
talk back to me. That's not winning me no fucking games.
What do you do when the goddamn whistle blows at
one o'clock on Sunday? The mass excuses they given man?
Speaker 3 (59:48):
Just another question to somebody. But his numbers don't Just
like you know, sometimes your numbers stand out where you like,
this guy really can play. So his numbers are relevant
in this draft process. I guess they weren't. I mean
sometimes sometimes people take the numbers. Sometimes people take the
combine somebody. Sometimes people take the interview. You'd like to
have everything lines up.
Speaker 1 (01:00:09):
Guy plays well on the field, guy goes to the combine,
shows out, you bring it to your building, You're like, yep,
love everything about it. Sometimes the guy have two or three.
Sometimes the guy have one or three. Then you have
to make a decision is this the right guy for us? Oh?
You yes, it's two thousand and four, honest question, why
(01:00:29):
can't people criticize your door? His stock plummeted, what's the
football stop? And the conversation started, Well, I.
Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
Mean, you can criticize everybody. Ain't nothing wrong with that.
Speaker 5 (01:00:42):
I agree everybody's worthy your criticism.
Speaker 2 (01:00:48):
I think, don't. I don't mind the criticism. I think nah.
Speaker 3 (01:00:51):
I think it's about if the next guy got picked
and he's better than me, then I can respect that.
I think when from my understanding, the guys could tell
me if I'm wrong. But I don't think the guys
that got picked ahead of him, I don't think you
guys have them from I'm hearing from most people that
wasn't They didn't grade out, they weren't grated, they didn't
grade out better than him.
Speaker 1 (01:01:13):
Yeah, but you see what he said, Oh Joe, he said,
what football stopped? But he's a football player, and we
shure supposed to be having a conversation. We're supposed to
be critiquing him on football football, not in the conversation
surrounding football.
Speaker 2 (01:01:26):
Okay, what what?
Speaker 4 (01:01:27):
What?
Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
What about? So? What did he not play? Well? Did
he not?
Speaker 1 (01:01:30):
I mean I get it. Look, I mean sometimes guys
get nervous. Sometimes guys don't test well and that's okay. Look,
I don't need a guy to take their SAT. I
need a guy to be able to play well on
Sundays and Monday, and I think that's all that matters.
Hey to, I think we need to make this a topic.
These exects have to understand too. And is nil money
(01:01:51):
Now it's real money. Guys are getting in school. So yeah,
you're gonna see him made back. You're gonna see a
diamond chain, you gonna see him road legs, You're gonna
see all these things before that big NFL paycheck because
they already getting money. So you can't judge a guy
because he went out and bought himself some nice things.
He's earned that money. And I think the the execs
gotta understand that too. They have to realize too, guys
(01:02:13):
are gonna have already made it.
Speaker 3 (01:02:14):
They already living in a nice house, they already have
nice status, so you can't hold that against them.
Speaker 2 (01:02:20):
That's part of the game. Now on the on the
collegiate level, that's part of the game.
Speaker 3 (01:02:24):
Now you get n I L money, So you can't
knock this guy because he's getting money and he like
he got a nice change, he got a nice watch.
Of course, that's the things that we want. We're different,
that's how we do, especially in a black culture, you know.
But that's the first thing. I want, first thing, role,
I got that ax.
Speaker 2 (01:02:45):
I want to be a car. I want to.
Speaker 3 (01:02:46):
I want the Bens, I want the mayback. I want
to That's what I want the first thing. So you
I think, I think they're looking at that too, because
he has do down. He had flash already. But this this,
that's the game now in I l money.
Speaker 2 (01:02:59):
Yeah, ain't like you know da.
Speaker 3 (01:03:02):
Daddy play How about this daddy played football for twenty
years and maybe tell him.
Speaker 2 (01:03:06):
And play baseball. And what if he wanted to play baseball?
What if you want to buy some of a bunch
of stuff. So I just said, you know, I ain't
want to just get outside the football ability.
Speaker 3 (01:03:16):
That's why I was so curious to hear you guys
his comment about it as far as football, because it's
same from what I've watched this year.
Speaker 2 (01:03:23):
He was one of the top quarterbacks of football. He
wasn't a hundred and forty he was he should have
been picked one hundred and forty four.
Speaker 1 (01:03:29):
I know, that absolutely, Mark Jasmin said my new Sports
Center nightcap, Seriah p leaves play for my daughter who's
a sophomore at Michigan State and taking finals this week.
We will be at your Detroit show, Cyril, thank you
very much, and we are praying for your daughter and
I know she's gonna knock it out of the park
taking those finals.
Speaker 2 (01:03:48):
Cupcake, Mama. Good evening, guys.
Speaker 1 (01:03:50):
If life, if life had playoffs, what moment in your
life would be your championship win?
Speaker 5 (01:03:56):
WHOA, what moment in life would be my championship win?
Speaker 4 (01:04:01):
When you go ahead, I'm gonna tell you my super Bowl,
my championship win is coming up in twenty twenty six.
Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
When I walk down that out.
Speaker 4 (01:04:11):
Yeah, it finally is that I got finally got something
in life that gives me structure, you know, something that
gives me purpose?
Speaker 2 (01:04:17):
Yeah, you feel me? I got that. I got I
gotta you get married at twenty six, twenty six.
Speaker 4 (01:04:23):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, appreciate it. I may
have Hey, I may have open bar, so all y'all
could come twenty open bars. B it's for it's the
it's for the guests, Okay, okay, yeah, it's it's for
the guests, then I for the half. I'm for to
have Frankie Beverly and maids. I may have him come play.
You will have maids because unfortunately frank.
Speaker 2 (01:04:46):
Frank I have maids.
Speaker 4 (01:04:48):
You know.
Speaker 5 (01:04:48):
Hey, it's gonna be said, Yeah, it's gonna be.
Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
It's gonna be. It's gonna be a good time. Just crops.
You crushed me bad recipe. Peace peace, Frankie recipe.
Speaker 5 (01:05:08):
Oh that's a good one.
Speaker 2 (01:05:10):
Good.
Speaker 1 (01:05:11):
No.
Speaker 2 (01:05:12):
We have two kids of mine, my two daughters. That's
that's that's that's it for me, my two daughters. That's
ad for me. I think we know my championship moment.
Speaker 1 (01:05:23):
TJ said, Oh Joe, I need that court dealing jersey
with your signature on it.
Speaker 4 (01:05:28):
Oh no, boy, Hey that's a classic. That's CD jersey.
I got to hang it up there for a reason
CD CD. This is the last jersey he wore when
he was in Cincinnati. He took it off and threw
his throw his paths in the stands before he left.
Speaker 2 (01:05:41):
That's the jersey had on. I ain't letting that go nowhere.
Speaker 1 (01:05:44):
If ever, please ain't gone tell him I follow a
hard times.
Speaker 2 (01:05:50):
I may have to hant you down journey the court, Dylan.
Speaker 4 (01:05:55):
War ain't but that ain't going nowhere? Bro absolutely not
no self back conclude this episode of Nightcap. Guys, thank
you for joining us for another episode of Nightcap. I
am your host, your favorite unk.
Speaker 1 (01:06:09):
Shannon Sharp, my partner co host number eighty five, Liberty
Cities own Bengal Ring of Fame, Hoarntery Pro Bowler, All
Pro Chad o Cho Senko Johnson and joining us tonight. Man.
Great conversation on basketball and very very knowledgeable about the
game of football. Ask some very interesting questions UPO, Joe
(01:06:29):
and I. He won an NCAA championship in ninety six
at Kentucky. He won an NBA championship in two thousand
and six with the Miami Heat. He is a seventeen
and a half point score throughout his NBA career. Have
an unbelievable career and twin Walker twin Thank you for
joining us. Man, come back and join us again soon. Hey,
I'm tripman, I'm tripping. I did this with everybody that
(01:06:51):
came on here. We were to play one on one
right now to eleven. You think you'll beat me.
Speaker 2 (01:06:55):
Naw, you work out too much for me. I playing
golf chat got too much.
Speaker 3 (01:07:00):
But I never say you shooting nothing like that, So
I don't know if you skilled enough. I'll just know
you work out a lot. I know you boxing.
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I'll send it down there to you.
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The Warriors beat the Rockets one O four ninety three.
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Thanks to Steph Curry thirty six points, seven rebounds, nine assists.
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