Nightcap Hour 2: TJ Houshmandzadeh joins and CALLS OUT Browns for preventing Shedeur from succeeding

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Dan Quinn praises Jayde and Daniels for changing the culture
of Commander's locker room. I think that smiles a wolf
and she's clothing, Quinn said. He's an absolute dull competitor.
Quinn describes Jame's routine and how his commitment to putting
in the work helps set an example for the rest
of the team very much an early morning morning person

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would rather grow through everything before everybody even gets here,
well before the sun comes up. There's been times looking
out the weight room, who's walking off the field in
the dark. It's him. That's a standard that other players
have also appreciated from him.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
Yeah, oh y'all.

Speaker 3 (00:39):
Jaye Daniels for MVP this season, it's possibly possibly because listen,
I don't see a sophomore slum in the in the
in the in the in.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
The works for him.

Speaker 3 (00:49):
Obviously, I would like for them to get his number
one target, Terry McLaurine. I would love them to get
that situation rectified so we can have all weapons and
all hangs on deck coming coming week one. But he
definitely definitely can be the MVP. And obviously what we
saw last year, it didn't just start.

Speaker 4 (01:07):
Now it's just something he's always been doing.

Speaker 3 (01:09):
He was doing it at Arizona State, he did it
at LSU, and so it just carried over over into
Washington and they got that quarterback of the future for
the next ten to fifteen years and stuff like that.
The little things, the things that coach Quinn is talking about.
The little things is what's going to make a difference,
which is why he was able to come into an

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organization and make an impact and difference right away, right away.

Speaker 4 (01:39):
Things that don't even have to do with the game
of football. The approach, your preparation, your worth ethic.

Speaker 3 (01:45):
I know a lot of people say you work hard
and you hope everything comes in fruition. It's not just
about working hard, it's about knowing what to work on
is what makes the difference. Everybody works hard, but knowing
what you as an individually need to work on to
make sure you one point at whatever it is that
you do.

Speaker 4 (02:06):
It's how you see change and difference.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
You see the difference.

Speaker 1 (02:15):
Between him and the guy in Andy's You see the difference.
One guy was there early, he's there late. One guy
was there late and he left early. You see the difference.
You see the difference. Something it's what you do. They

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watch what you do, not what you say. I see
better than I hear. I hear you talking about how
much you put, how much time you put in. But
I see you the last one drag your ass in here.
I see you the first one leave. That's how you
become great, That's how you become success.

Speaker 3 (03:00):
I don't see how you couldn't sacrifice in that position
anyway to want to be the best at what you do, the.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
Quarterback position, with the kind of money, they may.

Speaker 3 (03:11):
As difficult as it is to find QB one's on
certain teams. And I got the opportunity to be QB one.
And you think I ain't finna buy in. I mean
that that's just, that's just, that's just me. I'm not
caring about nothing else, no other hobbies or nothing else
I got going on.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
I'm QB one in Indy.

Speaker 3 (03:30):
You mean I got the chance year one, year two,
So year three is my magative breaking year. If I
get all my if I got all my ducks, a
lining in the row, if I dot all my eyes
and I cross all my teas, you mean it is
opportunity for me to get a five year three, a
million dollar co contract. What and you think I'm not
going to be locked in? First one there, last one

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out mash what?

Speaker 2 (03:56):
Oh Joe. They serve your breakfast, lunch, and dinner.

Speaker 1 (04:01):
You got cold tub, you got steam room, you got sauna,
you got red sauna. You got everything you could possibly need.
They serve you breakfast, they cook. You want salmon, okay,
you got that. You want a steak, you got that.
You want chicken?

Speaker 2 (04:18):
Oh? Are you pescatarian? So it's only.

Speaker 1 (04:21):
Fish for you? What type of fish do you like?
Make sure we have that. You like salmon? You're like trout?

Speaker 2 (04:26):
Oh? Really? Okay?

Speaker 1 (04:28):
We oh, I'll talk to the Maybe we can get
some grouper. Maybe we get seabags, We get a white fish.
You like white fish?

Speaker 2 (04:36):
Sure? You like cod? You like halibu? Sure so lamb
chops they prepare.

Speaker 1 (04:45):
They cooking sunnayside up over medium poached.

Speaker 2 (04:51):
You'rean French toes. You want pancakes?

Speaker 1 (04:54):
Oh Joe, all of that is there at your disposal
now now, Oh Joe, Man, hey, let me get in
this cold tub, this pole plunge. Man, Man, I'm gonna
get in the sauna. Man, let me get in, Hey,
let me get in the steam room. Let me get
in the red sun, let me get in the rest,
let me get on the laser tape. Hey, there is

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no reason. There's absolutely no reason for a player. They
have everything, everything you can possibly want, and this.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
Is an opportunity for guys. I just don't get it.
I don't.

Speaker 1 (05:36):
I don't get it. I don't And it's not always.
But you can tell that Jade Dames a little bit
that I was around him. Oh Joe, remember before the draft,
we had him on. He came on the way he
carried himself. We had him on last year at the
super Bowl, he had him on.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
Yeah, he gonna be something. You're gonna be something.

Speaker 1 (06:01):
Because I've been around I've been around enough quarterbacks and
to see how they handle their business. The ones that
are really good. I played with one. Went to the
Hall of Fame. I got an opportunity to see Peyton.
I wasn't there day to day, but talk to people
around him and how he goes about. Peyton ran the practices.
You can't run the practice if you don't know what

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the hell you do it. Brady, I heard Brady talk.
He ran the practice. This is where I want you,
this is what it wo't needs to look like.

Speaker 2 (06:35):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (06:35):
I don't get these guys. And then but like I said,
but sometimes sometimes, o't, Joe. The hardest thing for us
to see is our own claws. I raised my hand.

Speaker 4 (06:57):
Shoot, I raised mine too.

Speaker 3 (06:58):
Matter of fact, everybody in the chest probably raised as well,
because we all have them.

Speaker 4 (07:03):
We all have them.

Speaker 2 (07:05):
You're so close to the situation you don't see. See.

Speaker 1 (07:09):
The blindest person isn't the man that can't see. It's
the one that chooses not to see. Is when you
when someone tells you something or there's a reoccurring pattern
of the same thing, of the same thing. He I mean, bro,

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as the quarterback, Ojo, even if you, even if you
even if you don't even turn, even if you just
in this film room by yourself, just be the last
one to.

Speaker 2 (07:41):
Fool them. You cannot, as the quarterback, be the first
one to leave. You can't.

Speaker 1 (07:47):
I remember before they got these iPads and all the
stuff you can watch it on. Man, I used to
see seven watch him tape, and then he would take
he got the you know, our lined your back, Ojo,
the little mess bags. He got ten, fifteen, twenty tapes
in there. He's going home because he got one of
those big machines, and he's gonna watch them.

Speaker 3 (08:06):
And the funny thing too about it about it too,
you can't you can't fool yourself pretending like you're watching,
because what's gonna happen based on.

Speaker 2 (08:14):
What you see.

Speaker 4 (08:16):
Gonna regulate.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
You'll get your ass in the game.

Speaker 4 (08:18):
You're gonna expose yourself.

Speaker 2 (08:21):
You're gonna expose yourself.

Speaker 1 (08:24):
Because John would come back and say hey, and he
was like, hey, t did you see such and such?
Did you watch this? I said yeah? He said, did
you see what they how they play it? I said yeah.
They played like a what we call a bare stretch.
They stretched it, which was a bare front the center
guard and both guards the covered, but they had a
guy head up and they had a guy outside.

Speaker 2 (08:42):
He says, Okay, I just want to make I just
want to make sure. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (08:45):
Oh yeah, cause because he's gonna quiz me, cause you know, hey,
I think I know a I'm knowing what everybody's supposed
to do. At least I'm telling everybody. I know what
everybody's supposed to do. I know what Rod does, I
know what Ed dug, I know what I got, I
know what the back is supposed to do. So he's like, okay,
you say you do it, but did you see a
did you see what Green May run? I said, yeah,
they excuse me Pittsburgh. I said, yeah, they ran cover six,

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but they do it differently. They kicking it, so they
playing quarters on one side, but they playing cover two
on the back side. But the guy in the press,
he kicked it. So that's what we call six kick
because you can play cover two. The guy playoff funnel,
you in a funnel, you down inside, but no, he
had a press position and then he dropping.

Speaker 2 (09:25):
But they're still.

Speaker 1 (09:26):
Playing quarters on the backside and a half on the front.
So if things like that, guys don't miss this opportunity. Man,
y'all got soap, y'all got It's so much that you
can do. You can be great if you want to. Obviously,
oh t you get to this level. And that's why
I tell them, everybody got talent. You not unique. Now, bro,

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you're not unique. Maybe you could do some things, but
everybody got a certain level of talent.

Speaker 2 (09:53):
You don't get here without no talent.

Speaker 1 (09:56):
Now, I'm not saying everybody is as a talent as
a Lamar Jackson or has an arm that can throw
the ball like Josh Allen.

Speaker 2 (10:01):
Those are different things.

Speaker 1 (10:03):
But if you don't think everybody at this level has
a certain level of talent, you're fooling yourself.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
To get in the door. You got to have the talent. Man,
got to have a talent.

Speaker 4 (10:13):
I know how much work you're willing to put in
to be even better.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
Hey, we got a special against Jordan's Man. What's going on?

Speaker 5 (10:28):
Man, I just going out to eat with the family.

Speaker 2 (10:31):
I'm like, oh, my boy, want me on, pull up?

Speaker 4 (10:36):
I told him, I told him, I'm so, I'm so
glad you.

Speaker 3 (10:38):
I'm so glad you're on because you you're much better
at at at being a little bit more in depth
in explaining things because I kind of get frustrated because
people still I try. I try to tell him, I
talked to you earlier and I knew I wasn't tripping.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
You saw the same thing I saw.

Speaker 3 (10:55):
But maybe if they hear from you, because they stick
of here in my mouth and give him a better
explanation on twelve situation, maybe they understand.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
Man.

Speaker 1 (11:06):
Yeah, just give us your thoughts on you do it,
you do it, you do it? The game today? Uhuh TJH.
Why do you think the Browns played it the way
they did and and your Door and your Door's performance today.

Speaker 5 (11:18):
From from my assessment, y'all, they don't want to controversy.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
Now, that's how I look.

Speaker 5 (11:25):
They don't want to cut because we know what Flaco
can do. Why why does Flacco start in the game.
We know what he can do. He lets you all
to the playoffs the last time, y'all let him play.
So if you're trying to figure out who you gonna
play in case Flacco gets hurt, Dylan Gabriel, you let
them split the game. Snoopers, Stooper, Honey, Tylerhunty is getting

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cut tomorrow, you let them.

Speaker 2 (11:49):
You let them battle it out.

Speaker 5 (11:50):
And so to me it was like, Wow, you you
put him in with guys that's gonna be on the
street tomorrow. They all getting cut, Shinty and everybody Sudar
play with they getting cut tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
We know that.

Speaker 5 (12:01):
And so you didn't get this man a fighting chance
to compete. He went into a gunfight with two knives.
He gonna lose that. Every time.

Speaker 2 (12:15):
I was surprised, TJ.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
What I was most surprised about is that this is
your opportunity to see him in a two minute situation.
Why are you giving a guy a two minute situation
when that guy's gonna be on the street in the
next couple of days. So what do you get? And
people already know what Huntley can do. He's been a
started in this league. He backed up Lamar Jackson for
two to three years. He even started a postseason game.
So I don't think anybody's gonna look at that two

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minute situation and says, you know what, snoop, but is
our backup? We saw him last year and he goes
down to Miami. We saw him last year and we've
seen him in situations. That's what That's what was confusing
to me.

Speaker 2 (12:49):
TJ. You know why they did that, Shannon.

Speaker 5 (12:53):
If Shader take them down there, drive down the lift
of the field, they win that game. The fans gonna
be saying, Shade our quarterback, Shadeur should be our starter,
Shadeur should.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
Be the guy that starts game one week one. Look
what he did. They didn't want that to happen.

Speaker 5 (13:09):
And I don't know what's going on with Kevin stefanskis
almost as if I and I don't even want to
say this, but I'm gonna say it. Anyway, it's like
he don't want Shade to do well. Like when he
played well the first game, he was so off putting,
like oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
Well, you know, we'll see what happens next, Like shit,
oh he played great.

Speaker 5 (13:28):
Man, he he exceeded our expectations. I'm probably he didn't
say none of that. And so to me, it's as
if they want him to fail so they can justify
doing what they want to do. But man, listen the
way when they when Dylan Gabriel and I know Dylan Gabriel,
and I like Dylan Gabriel, I know him personally, very
good dude. When he made the entertainers and competitors comment

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man shinning it, that was me. I would have walked
up on Dylan Garbel myself and be like, hey, bro,
what did you mean? Shoulder handled that about as good
as anybody can handle it. When he was asked that
he didn't handle himself the right way the entire time
he been there, o.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
Chill said it wasn't nothing.

Speaker 1 (14:10):
Ocholl said, we made a big deal about nothing with
that TJ Nah nah. He said he wasn't talking about
o Cho told me he was not talking about your door.

Speaker 5 (14:19):
So when you first hear it, one percent you talking
about me if I'm Sugar. When I first heard it,
I'm like, Oh, he talking about Shader. If you sit
back and reflect on it, I believe he's talking about
y'all too, and the people on TV, the guys that
are entertaining everybody else. But initially, when I first heard it,
I said, oh my god, why would he say that?

Speaker 2 (14:39):
But then when you sit.

Speaker 5 (14:40):
Down and think about it, I do believe he wasn't
talking about Sadr. But in that initial reaction, Oh, I'm
gonna compress you, just to make sure.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
Let me ask you this, TJ. Why was he talking
about Cho and I?

Speaker 5 (14:55):
And he's competing but the entertainers, the guys with great
podcasts like what y'all doing, The guys on TV, they're
entertaining y'all, so don't let them have us go against
each other. We gonna compete, but the entertainers. That's how
I took it. Once I sat back and reflected and

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thought about.

Speaker 1 (15:16):
It, I think you gave him too much credit for that.
I don't think he thought that far in depth.

Speaker 5 (15:21):
And it could be, though, Shannon, that I know dyling game, bro.
I've been knowing it for a few years now and
I like him, and then that could.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
Be why.

Speaker 1 (15:29):
Yeah, it seems to me, you know sometimes like when
you didn't like somebody a hooshe and they somebody mentioned
their name and you get quiet and you're like, it
seems like every time they mentioned should Door's name, like
Stefans get a part of him inside, like, damn, I
gotta talk about this dude. He forth he fourth stream?

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Why are we talking about the dude play that's four string?

Speaker 5 (15:53):
Because he played well, and let's just be honest, man,
we all know who his pop says, and so he
came he came into the league like whoa did they
really just do Shader the way they did him during
the draft, so automatically all os was gonna they were
gonna be on him because of the way he came
into the league. He played so well, and then to
be drafted in the fifth round, everybody was taken aback

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by that.

Speaker 2 (16:17):
Then he gets in the game.

Speaker 5 (16:19):
When he played the way he plays. Some of them
throws he was making, Man, those aren't easy throws. It
ain't like it's covering three.

Speaker 2 (16:26):
He threw guys open. He was throwing BB's and so
I don't know why they won't.

Speaker 5 (16:36):
Get this man a fair shot at least, it just
seems that way. Joe Flacco may lead him to the playoffs,
but he's not your quarterback of the future.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
I'm going with one of these young guys.

Speaker 5 (16:46):
So that I can see are they the future or
I gotta draft somebody else?

Speaker 1 (16:52):
Yes, yeah, I agree. I totally agree with you. I
think look and you're eighteen. Based on Joe flat Os
resume and his history, he gonna win you four or
five games, right.

Speaker 2 (17:05):
Yeah, But here's the thing.

Speaker 1 (17:09):
Joe Flack will win you games when there's no expectations.
You see, the number one thing that a killer killer
player is expectations. You let let when the when the
backup come in and he gets to play free and loose,
put expectations on him, and see what happens. Now, we
expect you to lead us to the division. We expect
you to win this game for us.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
And see how you got these unkisms? Man? You be
having these shannonisms.

Speaker 5 (17:34):
Man, you're you're right, because now we expect you to
win this playoff game. You fall flat. We expect you, yep,
to beat the Ravens or the Steelers of the Bengals.
You fall flat and he's not your future. That that
to me is the biggest thing that Cleveland Browns are
quarterback away from being competitive with anybody because of that

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defense and the skill guys that they have. And so
to me it's a no brainer. I don't know why
or what Shouldar has done. Uh because Prom played a
long time, Prom played a long time. They love Prom
just because their daddy was a confident individual that his

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kids are gonna be the same way. We are a
product of who we are always around. And that's it correct,
That's just what they are.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
Man.

Speaker 5 (18:27):
Listen, if you asked my son is the next boy
better than him, and he said, yeah, we got a problem.

Speaker 2 (18:34):
He know better and so.

Speaker 5 (18:37):
Yours bred the same way. I just want to see
the young man be given a fair shot. And from
the outside looking in, it doesn't look like that's the case.

Speaker 2 (18:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (18:47):
Well, I remember when Prime said, do not let my
confidence offendurities. Don't let don't let that go over your head. Now,
don't let my confidence offend your insecurities.

Speaker 2 (19:02):
Man, I really who I am.

Speaker 1 (19:04):
And what I think of myself That shouldn't have anything
to do with you, because see now you're allowing my
confidence in my ability. Now you don't feel so secure
in yourself in your abilities. So now I'm offensive. How
dare you talk like that? So word the lie in
what I said.

Speaker 5 (19:22):
And it's the thing, though, Shannon, you wanted the best
to ever do it, and Chad should be right there
with you and in hall of fame.

Speaker 2 (19:28):
That's another discussion.

Speaker 5 (19:30):
Every professional athlete, man, you we all had an utmost confidence,
like I still feel like right now I can go
play in my head, like I feel like I can
get it done, like I believe in myself to the
fullest as you.

Speaker 2 (19:46):
As you do Chad does is what we all.

Speaker 5 (19:49):
Every professional athlete has unwavering belief in yourself. That's how
you make it, make it and so to me, that's
what you want. And the wait, man, wait, this dude
has handled himself.

Speaker 2 (20:01):
Man, it's been he is.

Speaker 5 (20:06):
Like you could tell he's been raised right like so
many guys. The questions they're asking him and the way
they treating me. They didn't give him this draw that
drive today. Come on, man, that dude could have just
sunked sat on the bench. He didn't do that. I'm
sure he was disappointed. He handled himself the right way
on the sideline, Me and Chad would have been throwing
the camera would have been throwing our helmet to something.

Speaker 1 (20:35):
But the thing is that that he knows who is
that he knows. No matter where he is, the cameras
are on it. If he's on the sideline getting gatorade,
the cameras are on him. If he's standing there listening
to the play being called in the headset, the cameras
are on him. When he's on So whatever emotion he's
going through, the cameras are going to be on it,

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on him. And guess what people are going to try
to deduce what thinking, what's going on in his head?
You see his body language. That's why he was a
fifth round draft pick. Look at the battle language, Jojoe,
you see what happens. Blah blah blah.

Speaker 5 (21:08):
Bro Hey, great awareness, so I was supposed to he
has great awareness. Let's go if you look at what
Jackson Dart has done in New York.

Speaker 2 (21:19):
What are they saying now? In New York?

Speaker 5 (21:21):
What are they saying? Man, when is Jackson Dart gonna
be starting? What week is Jackson Dart gonna be the starter? Hey, Yojoe,
you think they won't that?

Speaker 2 (21:32):
In Cleveland?

Speaker 5 (21:33):
They should, they should want it, but they don't because
you look, Jackson Dart has played so well. It's like
Russell Wilson is about to get Matt Flynn the way
he did Matt Flynn.

Speaker 2 (21:47):
Jackson Dart about to do Russell. Why ain't they giving
Shader the same opportunity? You heard that on Joe. Oh yeah,
you told him that already. I did. I'm telling you,
but you have to understand.

Speaker 3 (22:04):
And this is this is so funny that the people
that continue to say we're making excuses for Shador and
the simple fact that the owner came out and said,
this is not the player I wanted. Sure Doer is
not my pick. That alone, that tells you all you
need to know. Kevin Stefanski hands a tide. He asked

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someone else, he answered.

Speaker 2 (22:25):
To a higher power.

Speaker 3 (22:27):
There's a reason why when he's asked about Shador he
had a certain look on his face.

Speaker 4 (22:31):
There's no excitement.

Speaker 3 (22:32):
He doesn't say the right things that normal coaches say
about players when they do well, even though it is
just the preseason game.

Speaker 2 (22:40):
He's the coach.

Speaker 1 (22:41):
He don't have no sale with the final pick three
he got, no Kevin Stefanski does not have sale the
final fifty three. That's Barry and that's Jimmy hasla.

Speaker 2 (22:50):
He hasn't had enough success. That's why he hasn't had
enough success.

Speaker 5 (22:53):
If he know, more success as a coach and with
that team, he would have more say so little input.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
But he died.

Speaker 1 (23:01):
But but see what happens when you get a job
and you haven't had a whole lot of experience. You
see now, Ben Johnson, he gets to go to Chicago.
He got say over the final fifty three. Andy Reid
has say over the final fifty three. Sean Payton has
say over the final fifty three. Mike Tomlin has say.
But when you don't, when you don't have the kund
of credentials and you get a head coaching job, you're

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happy to just to be a Heck, they're only thirty
two of these things in the world. You want a
thirty two and if you happy to get one, you're like, Okay, hey, hey,
y'all do whatever y'all want to do. I don't want
to do the options want to coach the team, and
Kevin Stefanski is just coaching the team.

Speaker 2 (23:40):
But because all things being.

Speaker 1 (23:42):
Equal, I don't if me personally, I don't think he
would want to carry for quarterbacks because as long as
you do a santras Is on that team, they're going
to be questions.

Speaker 5 (23:50):
Soosh, there's gonna be questions as soon as they start losing,
as soon as they start losing, Flaco going to the bench.
And because honestly, I believe they really wanted Kenny Pickett
to be the starter. Kenny Pickett just couldn't stay healthy.

Speaker 2 (24:08):
See, oh joy, they want to listen to me, and
you know what, I ain't gonna say. I know that
for a fact.

Speaker 5 (24:12):
I was told that by somebody that's in that building
that it was Kenny Pickett or Dylan Gabriel. I was
told that by somebody that's in that building Kenny Pickett
or Dylan Gabriel.

Speaker 2 (24:23):
I was due, y'all go ahead, talk that I was
go dunk. I was done. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (24:32):
Listen, you tell you told about competing in that AFC nord.

Speaker 1 (24:37):
You gotta have a quarterback. Look at the quarterback, Look
at the quarterbacks. You got, Okay, you got two games
against Joe Burrow, you got two games against Lamar Jackson,
and you got two games against Aaron Rodgers. And now
everybody said Aaron looked well, we'll see he is forty one.
We'll see how his body holds up, especially now in
the warm as when we you live in a you

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live in California, so it's warm pretty much in near round.
As we start to get old, there's a reason why
people go to Florida. There's a reason why old people
go to Arizona. There's a reason why old people live
in Nevada because that warm weather. Now, you go back
and look at Aaron Rodgers in the beginning of the
see the play well, and then when it got cold,
he didn't play so well. But in the two games
that he had in Miami, the game that he had

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in Jacksonville, what's the weather like in Jacksonville in Miami
in December?

Speaker 2 (25:24):
Really nice?

Speaker 1 (25:25):
Go back and look at the games how he played.
So we'll see when the weather turns cold in Pittsburgh,
in Baltimore and Cincinnati, Cleveland, if he can stay. But
you know, tried and true Lamar Jackson and Joe Burrow
is gonna be able to will and deal. So if
you in that division, you gotta deal with those guys.
And if you can't beat those guys, you can't go

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one in what one in six, one in five and
think about you gonna win that division. That ain't happened.

Speaker 5 (25:53):
No, sir, it's the last time Cleveland has had a
quarterback that you just spoke of.

Speaker 2 (25:59):
Like when is it Ernie Cozark? Oh, David, isn't that
far about? Yes?

Speaker 5 (26:04):
Like yes to me, I want a guy like Shadar.
I'm giving him an opportunity. If you fall on your face,
you fall on your face. But you getting a chance
with me because if I win with Shader and I'm
Kevin Stefanski, I have a lifetime of security. I'm retiring
when I want to retire. If Shade turns out to

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be that guy that, That to me is why I
don't understand. And you made a point. He must have
his hands tied because why wouldn't you want to go
with a young guy because if he succeeds, I'm set
for life.

Speaker 2 (26:37):
I'm a hundred million dollar coach now easily.

Speaker 1 (26:43):
Look, I would rather win my way. I would rather
lose my way than winning someone else's way.

Speaker 5 (26:49):
That's another unism. There's another unkism right there.

Speaker 2 (26:52):
Chalk him up, TJ.

Speaker 1 (26:56):
How many times have you seen coaches let me if
I'm a winner, lose I'm gonna do it my way.
There's a lot of times, especially in the NBA, when
they want to play the young guys and the coach
is like, hell no, I'm trying to win, and they
get him up out of there because somebody gonna come
in and play and he's gonna do because we try
to get a draft pick. We try to get Zion
Williams and know, we try to get Cooper Flag or whomever.

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So coaches will say, you know what, if I'm gonna lose,
I'm gonna lose my weight.

Speaker 2 (27:24):
I ain't winning somebody else's way.

Speaker 5 (27:26):
You do that in the NFL, they're gonna be working
on somebody Network, Television, they gonna get him up out
of here.

Speaker 1 (27:34):
Hey, everybody, get everybody got all these got these great
these great answers, Well they should do this. Man, Look here,
I'm sitting up here on TV because I retire. Now,
why are you here? If you got all these great
you got all these great ideas, I'm sitting up here
on TV because I retire.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
Now, Explain to me did you retire?

Speaker 1 (27:56):
Because if it was as easy as what you're making
it out to be, you should still be somewhere.

Speaker 5 (28:00):
And That's why even and everybody hopes to get to
being Mike thomin position, Andy Reid positioned, Sean Payne position,
Sean McVay colesh. That's every coach's dream, and the way
football is now, you better have a guy under center
that can fulfill that dream and make it come true.

Speaker 1 (28:25):
It's not the way it used to be. A bring
your defense in a running game. I don't care how
good your defense is. You could have that. You could
have the two thousand Ravens. If your quarterback suck you
not winning no championship because I can guess what, because
give you know why? Because he's the only guy that
you cannot hide. Because guess what. If I got a

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guy that struggles to get our press coverage, I can
stack the formation. I can put his ass in motion,
and I can make it difficult for you to press
him so I can get a pre release. If I
got a week corner, I can give him help over
the top. I put him in cover too. Our role protecting,
I have our buzz the linebacker. I can do things
to protect him. I can slide my offensive line one

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way or another, or I can tell the back to
chip his way out. Now you tell me how the
hell do you hide your quarterback, because I'm going to
force his ass to make throws.

Speaker 5 (29:17):
We gonna play Pop Warner football. Were gonna go, We're
gonna press them.

Speaker 2 (29:21):
We're gonna put eight in the box, safe in the
metal of the field. So beat us. That's what they
gonna do. I'm gonna make you throw it absolutely and
that's how you get found out.

Speaker 5 (29:30):
To me, the way the game is evolved, you gotta
have a really good quarterback or a great one, and
you gotta have some guys on outside that can get
open straight up.

Speaker 1 (29:41):
That's what football is today. That's what it is. It
ain't that hard. We make it harder than what it is,
but it ain't that hard. It's still plays. It's still
played the same way, my level against your level. But
I tell you what your weeke is leven not be
the quarterback. I don't care about that, all that other stuff,

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your weakest stuff. You're eleven better not.

Speaker 5 (30:07):
Be here when you start saying the weak links on offense.
If your quarterback is within the first five or six,
you say you got a problem. A real one can
he don't have the realness, but he better be one
of the top three on that offense, top four and worst.
And if he's not one of those, you not going
where you want to go.

Speaker 2 (30:29):
You can't hide him.

Speaker 1 (30:30):
You used to could hide it because you look, we
run them, you run back. Hey, we run the ball,
and guess what we run the ball thirty five forty
times we throw We throw it on our terms. It's
third second in one, it's third and one. We catch
you off. Nah, they won't let you do that now
because they've made it so conducive for you to throw

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it the.

Speaker 2 (30:52):
Way they protect the quarterback.

Speaker 1 (30:54):
And if you think of my I'm gonna pay a
got sixty million dollars TJ so he could turn around
and hand this ball off forty five time of game,
you better kissed my butt. You gonna throw it, I
pay you sixty million dollars, and you better have thirty
five forty touchdowns, four thousand and five thousand yards. I
am not turning paying you that kind of money to
hand them all off.

Speaker 2 (31:13):
Now you're gonna throw that thing, You're gonna run it.

Speaker 5 (31:16):
You might have to catch it sometimes too, because the
wait you about five years. Jane Daniel's gonna get he
getting eighty million a year day, Daniels getting eighty, he
getting eighty.

Speaker 2 (31:25):
C J. Stroud gonna probably get about seventy seven. Yeah,
that's where the games.

Speaker 1 (31:31):
Going, Daggon, cause you see Josh Allen. You see what
Josh Allen got and go the quarterback. They're just going up.
And that's where that's what Richison. Richison was supposed to be.
And he was supposed to be right there. He was
supposed to be getting up. But see what I told him,
And people are mad you be hating on them. I said, guys,

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he's been labeled a project his entire career. So with
a project, you don't move in. If I buy a building,
I say this is a project. I think if I
fix this thing up, I think it can be really
I think it can be really good.

Speaker 2 (32:08):
TJ. You don't move into a.

Speaker 1 (32:10):
Project right the way? Who build it up? They brought
they got the god. They say this guy is a project.
And you throwing out there week one, what project? They
didn't even know what project?

Speaker 2 (32:23):
They ever? Have they ever done that with Shannon?

Speaker 5 (32:26):
They they drafted Anthony Richardson fourth overall correct and what
did they say when he came out? He didn't start
enough games in college? He ain't started enough games in
the league. They' not giving him a fair chance. When
we in school the days that I did goough and
you had a project, they ain't give us a project

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today and say the project was due tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (32:51):
We had about a week or two to complete the project.
It takes time. You gotta do your research. You gotta study.

Speaker 5 (32:59):
They didn't get if Anthony richardson that time. But but
but he's not absolvee of any blame because you can
never never check yourself out of game and say you tired.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
Ever, you can't do that.

Speaker 5 (33:15):
And when he did that, he lost some guys in
the locker room and he lost some guys upstairs.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
You can't do that. But with that being said, you
can't come into the league.

Speaker 5 (33:26):
Need an experience, and then when you get to the
league they give up on you before you even get
any type of experience.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
Yeah, it was him that said the NFL has either
been college.

Speaker 2 (33:40):
Do everybody remember that? He said that?

Speaker 5 (33:43):
O Joe, get him on the show tomorrow, he'll tell
you take that comment back.

Speaker 4 (33:49):
Yeah, I don't think I think he answered too fast.

Speaker 3 (33:53):
He answered too fast based on what he had seen
to date before he did that interview. And he might
have feel that way, but it's a whole different ball game.
It's a whole you tell as you can see now.

Speaker 1 (34:08):
You guys I played with I played in an era
with great quarterbacks, played with a great one. You tell me,
have you ever heard Brady Manny Lway Marino name a
great quarterback to say if NFL football is either than
easier than college football, just tell me one.

Speaker 5 (34:27):
Ain't nothing about the NFL easy at any position, ain't,
especially especially quarterback. You gotta know what the entire offensive
line is doing, the running backs doing, the receivers, tight ends.

Speaker 2 (34:38):
And then you need to know what the defense is doing.
Worry about the defense. Ain't nothing about that easy.

Speaker 5 (34:43):
Like being a quarterback, you basically going to mad school.
You studying to be an attorney, you studying to be
a neurosign like you being a quarterback takes so much time,
so much commitment, that nothing about.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
It is easy. But guess what he know now? He he' no.

Speaker 1 (35:02):
Now that's why I don't feel bad when they would
want to Hey man, hey, they want to drink. Hell,
I'll be drinking too, because you mentally, you mentally exhausted,
because you're literally thinking me when we've gone up. Hey,
I'm trying to beat the game in front of me.
That's what I'm worried about. Oh Joe, you trying to
beat the guy in front of you. He got to

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worry about, man, I show hope this left tackle did
his job.

Speaker 2 (35:25):
Man. I wonder if oh, your running the right rock? Damn?
But who's I wonder if he who's got our press
in the slot? Damn? Man did the batship is way out?
Did we slide to protection the right way? Oh? Damn?

Speaker 1 (35:36):
I got to throw the guy open. That's every single
play for sixty.

Speaker 3 (35:39):
Five play, don't you know people people look at it
as they just dropped back, hike the ball and just.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
Shit, okay, okay, I can do it.

Speaker 3 (35:51):
That's why they talk so much trash from the outside
looking in, thinking that the job is easy at that level.

Speaker 2 (35:58):
And then this is what people don't understand. Ain't no job.

Speaker 5 (36:00):
Matt caused the playout the huddle. Have y'all noticed every
every just watch the games. They walk up to the
line of scrimmage, they look around, They taken their time,
they're processing information. They don't get into that cadence right away.
They look around, They thinking okay, this will, Okay, what
are they in? This's what we have and that's every

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single place. So they thinking without thinking because you wanted
to be second nature. Now I got to just react
and that's where all the study during the week comes from.
But they get fulled. You live to play another down.
That quarterback position, man is no joke.

Speaker 2 (36:38):
Nope.

Speaker 1 (36:39):
And the thing is is that because he has to
remember down in distance, he got to remember area on
the field. He's got to remember okay, time on the clock.
I mean most quarterbacks they study coordinators because coordinators become
head coaches and they bounce around the league. So Bate
many probably had a book of all the Rex Ryan
whether Rex Ryan was a decordinating botim but he's the

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head coach, and Buffalo had that. The Jets Tom Brady,
same thing, you breathed, the same thing. So all these quarters,
all these coordinators guess where they turn into be head coaches.
And when they head coaches, guess what they're gonna run
the defense that they ran with it the decordinator at
another stop. So it gives me a It gives me
a head start on what I need to prepare for.

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Quarterback is not a needy position. I understand why they
make the big bucks. And I ain't venvious sub it
because I don't know about y'all. But I've taken some
shots with that I didn't see and they hurt. So
imagine your standing there. You're about to throw the ball
and the dude put his helmet right in your back.

Speaker 2 (37:36):
It's a it's a thankless position.

Speaker 5 (37:38):
And that's why I believe they get too much credit
when things go well, and they take way too much
of the blame when things go back. They take what
So ultimate football is an ultimate team game.

Speaker 2 (37:50):
Eleven on eleven.

Speaker 1 (37:52):
Ultimate team game, because hey, you could play great and
somebody drop a pass and then somebody miss a blob
it really sometimes it comes down and you're like, one
play don't win the game.

Speaker 2 (38:09):
Okay, when did that play happen?

Speaker 5 (38:11):
They quick to say that that the term if I
dropped the ball, and it's at the end of the game, oh,
I cost you all the game.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
And if we know that, all.

Speaker 5 (38:21):
Leaders on the team gonna say, oh, that play didn't
cost us, Like, boy, yeah did yeah?

Speaker 2 (38:26):
Did?

Speaker 5 (38:26):
I'm mad enough to say, yeah, it did it cost us?
I mean that that happened to me in the playoffs.
I dropped the ball. You couldn't. Ray Lewis come up
to me, Man, they ain't cost us a game? I said, Ray, yeah,
did that cost us the game? And that's that's just
the reality of it. One play can cost you a game,
but a leader gonna say it can't.

Speaker 1 (38:46):
Right, because all players aren't created equal all turnovers. A
turnover in the first quarter is not the same as
a turnover with three minutes left in the ball game.
A big play in the first quarter, it doesn't have
the same pack as a big play late in the
ball game. Plays very they have different weight. And you
we understand that as Look, we all gonna say all

(39:08):
the right thing, but under my breather, late, yeah it did.

Speaker 2 (39:11):
It called.

Speaker 5 (39:12):
But that's a good thing about football because we always
hope I'll be better next week, I'll be better next week,
and then when next week don't come, it's like.

Speaker 1 (39:25):
Oh, when am I gonna get When am I gonna
get my opportunity to redeem myself?

Speaker 2 (39:32):
Because that's the thing.

Speaker 1 (39:33):
That's the thing about sports is that you always get
an opportunity to update your resume. In some sports is
sooner than other Baseball, basketball, they play every day, every
other night, you know, they play three games a week
in football, you get once a week to update that resume,
and you don't get to keep it because a lot
of times what people try to do Housia and you
know this o Jo is that a guy man, you bro,

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I know what he did and when he did that.
I ain't taking nothing, but he's already accomplished the way
those three m vps, those Super Bowl MVPs, those all pros.
He still got those on his mantle. But I'm talking
about yesterday. He was some slough. It's really that simple.
I ain't one of those guys that you know, you

(40:16):
get the it's a legacy and you get to keep
you can play bad and even though you got all
these accolades, it no, hell nah, that is't.

Speaker 2 (40:24):
How it works.

Speaker 4 (40:25):
They don't carry like that.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
Hell nah, not with not with Shannon. They don't.

Speaker 5 (40:31):
It's about right now. It ain't about yesterday tomorrow. It's
right now. What are you doing right now? And that's
the world of sports.

Speaker 2 (40:41):
That is with TJ.

Speaker 1 (40:43):
Man, we look, we gonna let you get you in
your family, were gonna let you go and get some dinner,
get out to eat a bad Thanks for stopping by
come back and join us.

Speaker 5 (40:49):
An you in the weight room. Brother, you're looking kind
of smaller. Your short, your short small.

Speaker 2 (40:58):
That's how you Hey, Chad, what you're wearing right now?
Bro about like one eighty seven? I'm two five? Look
that ain't no five, DJ, That ain't no five five.

Speaker 1 (41:16):
It's a five on there for eighty five or ninety five,
But damn you ain't no two.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
I'm two five right now for real? Because t J.

Speaker 3 (41:22):
I'm getting I'm preparing to fight uh Debo in February.

Speaker 2 (41:27):
I wish you the best, man, come on, I know
you better.

Speaker 4 (41:30):
Hey, don't don't wish me the best. You better wish
him the best because I'm gonna beat him the fuck up.

Speaker 1 (41:34):
A Hey, yeah, no wrestling, make sure you may make
sure you did what you knows wrestling.

Speaker 2 (41:44):
Now everything everything, TJ? Hey did you did you? Just?
Did you just see what happened to drinkers due pleases?

Speaker 5 (41:52):
What when he fought Shamaya last week?

Speaker 2 (41:56):
I ain't got nothing to do with that. I ain't
got to do with that.

Speaker 4 (41:58):
I'm training, but could be.

Speaker 2 (42:01):
All right. I'm where you didn't go where you needn't
go to dak You didn't go to all right, No.

Speaker 4 (42:08):
Could be down here Miami.

Speaker 2 (42:09):
Me and him been training, all right, I'm with you.
I'm with you. Yeah, now with me to make sure
you're preparing.

Speaker 4 (42:18):
I'm with you, dog if you've been training the past,
all right, all right?

Speaker 2 (42:24):
Hey t J Man, thanks you too. Oh Joe, you
ain't gonna believe this.

Speaker 1 (42:31):
Kansas State quarterback Avery Johnson's father was in a fist
fight with his other son in the parking lot after
today's lost in Dublin, Ireland. Oh you take a look
at this. The quarterback's dad and his brother. So the
quarterback for k State that's his dad and his brother.

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So that's his son that's fighting to dad.

Speaker 2 (42:56):
What in the world going on?

Speaker 3 (42:58):
The look out like alcohol in the system? Hey, I
would I would love the backstory on this too.

Speaker 2 (43:10):
I would love them who wanted who won the game?
K State lost? Okay?

Speaker 1 (43:20):
Out of it? Look to be in a situation that
you fight your dad, You got no respect for your dad.
I can see, if I can see if a family
situation where the mom is involved and he shove it.
I get all that, old Joe, But in a situation
like this at a ball game and it's out of public.

Speaker 3 (43:39):
And you know, you got to think about other dynamics too,
and other elements that that that can call stuff like
this drinking alcohol being the game, having fun again, emotions
are high, you lose a game, some things might be
said in exchange, and and stuff like that happened. Now
when we talk about family incidents and we talk about
fights and stuff like this, you know, stuff like this happens,

(44:01):
especially especially our and in our culture in general, you.

Speaker 2 (44:05):
Know, And that's what that's what so sad.

Speaker 3 (44:09):
To see it happen and be and displayed in public
like that. It's very it's very unfortiately, very very very Oh.

Speaker 1 (44:15):
Let me let me tell you something. Let me tell
you how alcohol work. You won't do anything intoxicated. You
hadn't at least thought about sober, because your mind won't
allow you to go there. You see people people, Hey,
they stole the bull, they stole an eighteen wheeler, or
they stole the bulldozer, or they did something reckless.

Speaker 2 (44:32):
But you thought about that while you were sober.

Speaker 1 (44:36):
Alcohol broke down the the inhibitions and gave you the
gave you the courage, that's what they call it, liquid
courage to go do what you did. I don't care
how drug I got. I ain't finna fight my brother.
I ain't finna fight my parents.

Speaker 2 (44:52):
And it's so funny.

Speaker 4 (44:53):
You see videos like this all the time. Uncle and
fight each other, whether it be sisters, whether it be hell.
And I don't mean to bring up stories.

Speaker 2 (45:02):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (45:02):
I don't mean to bring up stories. But obviously you
know the story of my mom. You knows Hurricane Paula.
And I remember getting a phone call for my little
brother one time. Man, you need to come home, man,
But what you mean come home? I can't come home.
What is football season? I'm you know, I'm locked in. Well,
Mommy and them jumped on Grandmama. They they out there

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in the grass. They out there in the grass, and
they to I'm like, man.

Speaker 2 (45:27):
Boy, go out there and stop it. What are you
calling me for? I'm all the way in Cincinnati. There's
nothing I can do.

Speaker 3 (45:32):
I make the phone once I get once I get
out of you know, I'm like, come on, Chelsey. So
I mean that's why I kind of understand it. I
get it because I've been in the situation before. Wasn't
wasn't present for it. But after hearing my grandma's side
of the story. Hear my mama's side of the story, like,

(45:52):
come on, y'all, now, you you need to stop drinking grandma,
you need to stop talking to her like that.

Speaker 2 (46:01):
But it happens. It happens.

Speaker 1 (46:03):
You know, they talking about Man, you won't have good
luck hitting no old people. You're right, you won't have
good luck. If I'm the old person, you won't have
no good You're absolutely right, you'll absolutely right.

Speaker 2 (46:17):
Put them hands on them all. Damn. That's it.

Speaker 1 (46:21):
I have a relationship with my kids that I've explained
to them. Our dynamic won't ever change, no matter how
wealthy you become, no matter how poor I become. I'm
your father. You'll always be my child. So we're going
to keep this dynamic the way it is. I might
build a situation where I can't do for myself and
you will have now all of a sudden, you will

(46:43):
have to be the parent in the But I'm still
the parent.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
I've explained that to my kids. My kids understand that.

Speaker 1 (46:53):
And when things got to a point where you know, hey,
let's just say let's just take some time. Hey, we'll
we'll reconvene in a couple of days. We'll reconvene in
a week. I don't need you to say something you regret.
I don't want to say something I regret. Ain't nobody
gonna put their hands on nobody, because everybody grown here.

(47:15):
Even when my kids weren't going, they got to a
certain age. I was like, look y'all know right from wrong.
I'm not finish discipline you like by by putting by
you know, putting my hands on you, thanking you and
doing all that kind of stuff. I physically I ain't
punch them up. He'll slap them anything like that. But
I say, you're to the age now I feel I
can talk to you. You understand, uh Tim Fitzgerald uh

(47:39):
uh go. Powercast has confirmed there was a postgame confrontation
at a VVA stadium involving Mark Johnson, father of Kansas
State quarterback Avery Johnson, and another man believed to be
mister Johnson's eldest son. According to witnesses, the conflict turned physical.
According to one source, nor rests were made stemming from
the incident. There's portally a video of the disagreement, and

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at least one eyewitness is tied to Kansas State Athletics.
Kansas State lost Iowa State twenty four to twenty one
in the Well College Football Classic. Avery Johnson completed twenty
one of thirty passes two seventy three two touchdowns.

Speaker 2 (48:16):
He also ran four touchdown. But that was a good game.
Did you get a chance? Yeah, yeah, that was a
good game. Yeah it was.

Speaker 1 (48:27):
But the thing is, though, Joe, if you can't have
your alcohol, no drink, this is this is this is
this is awful. Look, this is the starting quarterback of
a D one school, his dad and his brother, A
roller of fighting is raining.

Speaker 2 (48:44):
They're in.

Speaker 3 (48:48):
You know, I hate people that's just act slow, stop
of the bs, like this is normal in our community.

Speaker 2 (48:58):
So now we sit there acting like this, don't I'll
tell you about I tell you that.

Speaker 1 (49:04):
No, no, we're not saying that it doesn't happen. But
you have to also understand just because it happens doesn't
make it right.

Speaker 2 (49:10):
I just someone saying, stop acting like it's not normal.
I mean, what what rock? It ain't what rock?

Speaker 4 (49:18):
What rock are we living under? When we see it
every single day? Every single day we see families, families, it's.

Speaker 3 (49:26):
Us all the time. How many more examples we need?
So like it's not normal and normal I've been seeing
it all my life. I hate when people say, dumb ship,
not you. I'm not talking about you in the chat, like,
what are you talking about?

Speaker 2 (49:45):
God? Damn. It's just it's just tough to see because we.

Speaker 1 (49:54):
Got we got enough without us fighting ourselves. We got
enough to fight.

Speaker 2 (50:00):
A big battle, a bigger battle out. We got enough.

Speaker 1 (50:03):
We got enough issues that don't involve us. I've been
I've been stopped arguing with people of my complexion.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
And act like they live under a rock.

Speaker 5 (50:15):
Man.

Speaker 1 (50:17):
I'll let y'all. I'll let y'all have it, y'all. You
know this is how y'all feel. Y'all said, Okay, cool,
I'm good. I move on there. I think I just
have more pressing things going on than to argue with
someone that looks like me that even though they didn't
come from a familiar background like mine, it's not even
worth it anymore with y'all.

Speaker 4 (50:37):
No, I'm just saying in general, I'm just saying I
know what you're saying.

Speaker 2 (50:40):
I know exact.

Speaker 3 (50:41):
I'm not saying it's right, but to sit here to
act like it doesn't happen, it's not prevalent in our
culture and trying to sit there and act like you're
part of the god damn royal family.

Speaker 2 (50:50):
Like that's not true. Like what you talk about? What
do we talk about?

Speaker 1 (50:56):
Like come on, man, uh time for our final segment
of the evening? Is time for Q and A.

Speaker 2 (51:17):
I need a drink and I him.

Speaker 1 (51:19):
If they underscore Jordan. So what's the difference between Sanders
and skoll a Shuck's performance? Y'all, dog my boy, But
he's been playing pretty good. The difference is that Shuk
is getting first team the second team reps. He's been
put in a situation where he can succeed the other
guy isn't. When he had as an opportunity to go
in as a starter and they ran competent plays, he

(51:42):
played well. When he didn't play well, o cho and
I came out here and says Schador did not play
well tonight. He has to do a better job of
when the player is not there, don't exacerbate it and
make it worse by taking a sack. But I see
what you're trying to do. Oh, we know we Shuck
didn't play well. We said he didn't play well. When

(52:04):
uh Shador didn't play well, we just said he didn't
play well. The only difference is Shuck is getting first
and second team reps.

Speaker 2 (52:12):
Nick Godwin.

Speaker 1 (52:14):
They took him out because they were trying to win
the game, which they did. Shuder was taking forty yard
sacked fourteen. So you won the game where the guy
is not gonna be on your roster. So let me
ask you a question. So, if something happens to the
first two guys, so let's just say for the sake
of argument, they go with four quarterbacks, all the three
the first three get hurt. So are you gonna sign
Are you gonna sign a Snoop hunt leyp off the

(52:34):
street and bring him in, or are you gonna go
with your door. I'm just asking you, Nate, let me
know what you're thinking. And you know what, normally I
think the guy I thought I thought the objective was, Okay,
let's get the guy that's gonna be on this team,
let's get them ready to play. Let's put them in
a situation that they can put potentially face. So what's

(52:55):
the likelihood Now, if the fourth quarterback is gonna be
Snoop Huntley, by all means, he should have got that
final drive.

Speaker 2 (53:01):
But if it's not, he should not have been in there.

Speaker 4 (53:06):
Listen, we're doing all it. We're doing all the discourse.

Speaker 3 (53:09):
Who's starting for the Cleveland Browns, who's a quarterback, who's
number two?

Speaker 2 (53:13):
Who's number three? Boy?

Speaker 3 (53:15):
When football season start, Oh, you're not listening to me.
When football seasons start, and all these teams have gotten
completely better and they got to compete in that goddamn
AFC North against them Ravens. Matter of fact, you know what,
I ain't gonna say nothing. You'll see week one. You'll see,

(53:36):
you'll see week one.

Speaker 1 (53:42):
Every week they send you doing to a gunfight with
a super soaker. Yes, your door has to stop drifting
in the pocket and start playing. Stop playing he roball.
But it's got to get is getting out of hand
with the Browns. Yes, he drifts, they're played. There a
situation that he should have stepped up, and he went
he went lateral. He doesn't have the foot speed I
run people lotterly, just doesn't. He's got to do a

(54:05):
better job and understand every play is it meant for
you to be successful? Sometimes success is the foremo joe
of an incompletion, throwing it out of bounds. Sometimes success
is shaking them all down. Sometimes success is knowing when
the journey is over, he has to do a better

(54:27):
job of understanding that he wants to make every plate
and there's not been a quarterback in the history of
the game, nor will they ever be to make every
plate Jason's Zeldorf. Sander showed what he is today. A
bum ad vahaha. Sander's fanboys gonna cry in their basement

(54:49):
or in their mama's arms, while Jackson Dark is lighting
it up and showing he's the real deal again. He's
in there with starters. He's in there throwing to guys
that are going to be on the roster. I mean,
I'm trying to figure out what you guys.

Speaker 3 (55:05):
Here are doing that on purpose, They're purposely doing that.

Speaker 1 (55:16):
I'm a for unbeliever. I give credit when it's due.
I've been Hildy. I said the first game, he plass said,
O Joe. He played well. He came out played well
against O Joe. He looked really good, and I was like, hey,
he hell, he's gonna challenge you, he he he gonna
play soonering later, I've given credit. I don't know, I don't,
but I look, I appreciate you watching the show and
dropping the thing in the chat. But if you watched us, well,

(55:40):
you know what, just because you're in the chat, that'll
mean you're talking to Joe and I because I think
we've been very complimentary of Jackson Dark So.

Speaker 2 (55:52):
Real, Deebo. Lets your door either get cut or traded.

Speaker 1 (55:55):
I would love for him to the team, to be
the chief let and to have him and then flip
him for picks down the road. That would be great.
Let him, you know, a veteran quarterback. He doesn't have
to play, just get better, get those scout team reps.
So Joe, we know what Andy can do with the quarterback.

(56:15):
That goes without saying, Wes the Browns fan Browns fan here,
I'm sorry, but what normally happens when you're third stream quarterback?

Speaker 2 (56:29):
You don't play with starters.

Speaker 1 (56:30):
Absolutely, you do when you play, When you play as
well as he did in his first start, you absolutely
get reps in practice with the ones and twos.

Speaker 2 (56:40):
Now, I'm not telling you I'm not a fan.

Speaker 1 (56:42):
I was a former player, and I was a former
player that started off at third and fourth teams that
played well in a preseason game and got reps with
the ones and twos. So, wes you talking as a fan,
I'm telling you that I ain't telling you what somebody
told me. I'm telling you what I know.

Speaker 2 (56:56):
That is exactly where it always goes.

Speaker 4 (56:58):
That's the way it's always gone always.

Speaker 1 (57:02):
The latter part of your question is problem is there
always been? He told on to the ball too long?
I agree he does. He holds on to the ball
too long. He's trying to make every play. Sometimes that
I think he's trying to play. He roball, get the
Sometimes he rollball, is throwing the ball out of bounds.
Sometimes it's checking it down to the back. Sometimes it's
getting the ball out of your hand. That's okay. Every

(57:22):
player is not meant to get ten, fifteen, twenty thirty yards.
And he has to understand that spiritual war exposed. No,
it don't come down with Sander's name. It comes down
to being black in America. That kid just wants to
play ball, and white media comes with circus and blame
Sanders for it. Look, I just want Look, it might

(57:48):
not be in Cleveland. His opportunity to play in the
National Football League might not be in the Cleveland Joe.

Speaker 2 (57:52):
It just might not be.

Speaker 4 (57:54):
Might not be.

Speaker 1 (57:58):
Jimmy Cleveland said, it's sad but all they're keeping your
door for for merchandise and seating using him. Gabriel has
no merchandise on the website. My question is why we're
teammates so distant and some even laughing, including Dylan, who

(58:19):
last game he sat aloof after poor after his poor
performance and says I felt tension all around him today.

Speaker 2 (58:27):
It was obvious.

Speaker 1 (58:29):
I look, I don't look at it in the preseason
being a vet. I mean after my second after my
second year. First the second year, I still felt like
a rookie because now I'm a bona fide tight end,
I know what. So after my second year, so going
into my third year, I kind of felt like a vet,
and you know, hey, I conducted myself like that. You know,

(58:52):
obviously Dan wasn't big on that we losing and all
that kiki kying. So you know, if you were laughing,
you don't show you, Hey, the way these guys be
kiky keen on the side.

Speaker 2 (59:08):
Mann. Yeah, even in the preseason.

Speaker 1 (59:12):
Now they play that Mike Shannan, they play that best
like that, man.

Speaker 2 (59:17):
So.

Speaker 1 (59:20):
They'll get it figured out, at least I hope they do.
Jordan Halfer, let me get, let me get oh yo, going, man,
I'm thirty one years old construction worker and can throw
the ball better than your door.

Speaker 2 (59:29):
Stop the hype. All right, you got it, you got it,
if you got it.

Speaker 1 (59:44):
If your door gets released and the Saints or the
Steelers don't pick him up, do you think he gets
another shot in the league?

Speaker 2 (59:49):
Yes, uh huh.

Speaker 1 (59:54):
Your door had the same problem in college, held on
the ball way too long, refused to throw it away,
led the nca sacks taken last two years he played.
He could get away with it in college, not the NFL.
You're correct, he does hold onto the ball far too long,
mister Jedlight. How can fans sit there and judge the
quarterback play without intimately watching the offensive line play.

Speaker 2 (01:00:14):
It's ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (01:00:15):
Five is not out there with practice squad alignment, but
twelve iss Jalen Lister. What do the Browns do when
Deshaun Watson gets back? How much more money does he
have guaranteed left on that contract?

Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
Is it up after this year?

Speaker 1 (01:00:36):
I don't think Deshaun Wathston is coming back this year,
so if you mean twenty six, that's gonna be open
for debate. So he'll have so whatever he has left

(01:01:04):
is on twenty six. He didn't have no money left
after twenty six. Wow, Kingley said, Shay stop saying these
MMA guys will be their boxer in a street fight,
These leg hugging guys will quickly get put to sleep
by boxer.

Speaker 2 (01:01:18):
Sweet science.

Speaker 3 (01:01:22):
Oh that's hey, that's I don't know, matter of fact,
in a street fight, street.

Speaker 1 (01:01:27):
Fight where anything goes, I'm taking myself. I'm taking my
chances with I'm taking my chance with them because.

Speaker 4 (01:01:33):
The first thing he's gonna do is they gonna go low. Yeah,
they're gonna load right away.

Speaker 2 (01:01:38):
And obviously boxes are there aren't ready for that man.

Speaker 1 (01:01:41):
John Jones gonna kick somebody dead in their face, right
upside their head.

Speaker 2 (01:01:46):
Then what.

Speaker 1 (01:01:53):
Tom Z said, un can o yo, give me three
things you would do if the same gym trade A
k and Drake London to get picks. I think they
should just blow the whole thing up and start over.

Speaker 4 (01:02:07):
Hold on AK and Drake London.

Speaker 2 (01:02:09):
Drake London.

Speaker 1 (01:02:11):
Yeah, Drake London is in Atlanta, right, He's talking about
AK is Alvin Kamara.

Speaker 4 (01:02:18):
No, don't don't that don't make no sense.

Speaker 3 (01:02:20):
They got the John Robinson, there would be no need
for that switch to even happen they need a god
damn in the backyard or.

Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know what that was about it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:32):
Uh, Jacob motor Oh your trivia question which rappers said
in the game. I'm no cheetah, I'm a tiger, I'm
a cougar, I'm a panther, I'm a binger. O Cho
Senko hit song came out nine in seven.

Speaker 4 (01:02:48):
Uh that was Lil Wayne, I remember that.

Speaker 1 (01:02:55):
I take your word for I don't know. Jay Money say,
we love to show happy birthday to my woman. Ree
re happy birthday. Jay Money wanted to say, tell you
happy birthday. Hopefully did something very very pleasant for you,
and he did not take you to one of those
twenty eight spots. Well you as a woman. So clearly
y'all don't got that at the way, So only one

(01:03:19):
of me three said uncle, no, yo. Can y'all give
my newborn son a welcome to the world, Mackay Josiah
Pears born August twentieth, Yes we can, Mackay Josiah, welcome
to the world.

Speaker 4 (01:03:33):
I can bet you.

Speaker 2 (01:03:34):
Let me know.

Speaker 1 (01:03:37):
Man with your impatient asks, you call, you call what
you call?

Speaker 4 (01:03:43):
When to come to kids?

Speaker 2 (01:03:43):
I got twenty eleven kids.

Speaker 1 (01:03:45):
I'm that's okay, And you called grandpa to come get
what's the baby show?

Speaker 2 (01:03:54):
Exactly?

Speaker 1 (01:03:54):
See French Friar fresh Rye doing a thing reach try
like peace.

Speaker 2 (01:04:02):
It's truly godly. Do you see?

Speaker 1 (01:04:04):
Do you see him going to CFL for trials next
year to make a full return if he gets cut,
since the NFL isn't going to let him and let
him back easily. No, I think he's gonna get a chance.
I do, maybe not with the Browns, but I think
he's gonna get a chance. Dankey sixty five free Shador,
he's our son. Not watching Browns anymore. Damn Boosie said,

(01:04:29):
I paid for super Chat just for o Jo not
to give me a serious answer. Last night, I wanted
to know how does a guy run a four to
two forty and up with a ninety one speed?

Speaker 2 (01:04:42):
O Jo? The guy runs so that four to two
should be at least he's a four to two, right,
he's a night one right now.

Speaker 3 (01:04:49):
So I want to see four to two week, one week,
two week, three week, four week five and so on,
and then our raise is rating, he said, and four
to two considering they're not very many. No, I don't
I want to hear that it's it's a few four
twos in the NFL. I want to see four to
two when it actually count. Not running the straight line.

(01:05:09):
The game of football is not playing the straight line.
So show me four to two on the field.

Speaker 2 (01:05:13):
Like Tyreek.

Speaker 3 (01:05:14):
When Tyree plays, he shows us four to two all
the time. He's been doing it over over what damn
there decade now.

Speaker 4 (01:05:20):
So Matthew Golden young Bull, show me folks with me
every week, and you where you need to be simple?

Speaker 2 (01:05:30):
All right?

Speaker 1 (01:05:31):
Oh, Joe wouldn't believe what happened to me today. I
had to call in the work because I dreamed the
Bengals won their first five games.

Speaker 3 (01:05:42):
Hey, that's probably what's gonna happen. That's probably what's gonna happen.
We might win the first ten. Actually, we might win
the first ten. Joe Burrow decided to play in the preseason.
Jamar Chase T.

Speaker 4 (01:05:53):
Higgins and everyone else on that offense.

Speaker 2 (01:05:57):
Know the coach decided to play them.

Speaker 4 (01:05:58):
No, no, this was this was their choice. This was
their choice. They said they wanted to play.

Speaker 3 (01:06:06):
Huh, And that's going to be the difference and why
we'll be in San Francisco come first week of February.

Speaker 2 (01:06:13):
Did they say they didn't want to play last year?

Speaker 4 (01:06:15):
Yeah, they didn't want to play last year?

Speaker 2 (01:06:23):
What about the year before school.

Speaker 4 (01:06:27):
We started?

Speaker 2 (01:06:28):
That concluded ahead, we start a new.

Speaker 1 (01:06:31):
Trend that concludes this episode of Nightcap.

Speaker 2 (01:06:36):
We want to thank you for joining us again.

Speaker 1 (01:06:38):
I'm your favorite UNC Shannon Shark, my partner and co host,
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