Ray J Part 1

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Last movie I did. What did it take us twenty minutes?

Speaker 2 (00:04):
I don't mean that one, Yeah, yeah, you do it. No,
that one was like three and a half days. That
was three and a half days. That was our days
of reality too, because it was a full like thinking,
I had a full production. God shout out to all
my people in Cowbo that did grip Man, it's all
a blur.

Speaker 3 (00:22):
All my life, grinding all my life, sacrifice, hustle, p Price,
Want a slice, got the brother geap all my life,
Poppy grinding all my life, all my life and grinning
all my life, sacrifice Hustle, pet Price won a slice,
Got the brocap all my life, Poppy grinding all my life.

Speaker 4 (00:46):
Hello, Welcome to another episode of Club Sha Shay. I
am your host, Shannon Sharp. I'm also the repriv of
Club Sha Sha. The guy that's stopping buy for conversation
on the drink today is a recognized name in Hollywood.
A multi talented and celebrity celebrated artist, a well known
actor and entrepreneur, a prominent singer, songwriter, rapper, a contemporary
renaissance man, a producer, an icon reality TV pioneer, an author,

(01:08):
a mogul, a marketing. A market here focused on entrepreneur,
a bona fide hustler.

Speaker 5 (01:13):
Ray J. How was that intro?

Speaker 1 (01:16):
I was beautiful? I mean shed I'm blushing here you
are cushing man.

Speaker 4 (01:21):
Hey, Bro, I appreciate your stopping by. I understand that
you're very busy. You got a lot going on.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
I mean, you have a lot going on. I do,
so take your time with me. I'm humbled and thank
you for having me.

Speaker 5 (01:31):
I appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (01:32):
You know, this is a very grown setting.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
Yeah, and we want to you know, we want to
talk about grown things.

Speaker 4 (01:37):
We're going to talk about whatever you want to talk about.
You can take it anywhere that you want.

Speaker 1 (01:41):
To take it, wherever you want to take it. I'm
just happy to be here.

Speaker 5 (01:43):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (01:44):
Well, I appreciate that you want to you want to
toast for sure, toast to you, to you all the success, Bro,
appreciate you.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
Club y J.

Speaker 5 (01:56):
Okay. Check you're regularly from Mississippi? Correct?

Speaker 4 (02:00):
Yeah, I'm born in Mississippi, Born in Mississippi. Do you have
any memory of Mississippi? How old were you when you
relocated to Cali? I was two when.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
We moved to California, and Brandy was four and we
moved to Compton when we first got here, and then
we ended up finding a crib in Carson, which is like,
you know, five minutes for Compton, and that's where we
grew up since I was like, you know, since I
was a little bitty bitty kid.

Speaker 5 (02:31):
Right, So you guys didn't necessarily move.

Speaker 4 (02:34):
Is there a particular reason why you left Misissippi and
came because it wasn't because you know, Brandy, your sister,
Brandy is an entertainer.

Speaker 5 (02:41):
You're an entertainer.

Speaker 4 (02:43):
It wasn't because that your family just decided that they
needed to leave Mississippi.

Speaker 2 (02:47):
Yeah, my mom and dad came out here. And my mom,
before we even got into the industry, my dad was
the minister of music at south Side Church of Christ,
so you know, choir rehearsals churchy Sunday, like we had
to go to church, like we had to go to school.
Like if I didn't want to go to church, I
had to be either sick or I couldn't play outside,

(03:08):
you know what I'm saying. After church was over. But
and my mom managed twenty six to twenty eight H
and R Block offices, So she was a district manager
for H and R Block.

Speaker 1 (03:18):
So that's where we were.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
That's what was our main focus until we started to
shift into the entertainment business.

Speaker 4 (03:25):
So your father went to what attended Jackson Stage.

Speaker 5 (03:29):
Your mom is a graduate of Southern Sounsit.

Speaker 1 (03:32):
He's a AKA. Yeah, my dad's a Q. There was
always going they still do.

Speaker 5 (03:40):
So how did you? How did you once you got
out here?

Speaker 4 (03:42):
So once you got to you relocated, that's when you
and Brandy started getting to the entertainment industry.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
Yeah, we started going on auditions and stuff. We did
this one show called small Talk. It was a show
where you know, they interviewed the young talent and I
got the role for that and they wasn't able to
air it because I didn't have an agent. And that's
what got us hipped onto the agencies. And then we
just started to like go with my dad. Shout out

(04:11):
to my dad because you know, every every day we
had an audition, he would come pick us up from
school early and drive us all the way from Carson
to Hollywood, you know, at three o'clock in the traffic
to get us to the audition. Yeah, I mean a lot,
maybe four or five times a week. So shout out
to my dad. While my mom was was working at
H and R Block. My dad would would take some

(04:31):
time and just get us right and make sure we
know he was helping us do what we love to do.

Speaker 4 (04:38):
When were you, When were you and your sister Brandy
hit the bug? Bitch you like, this is what we
want to do.

Speaker 2 (04:44):
When did it hit us when we wanted to do
the entertainment business. I think we were like if you
have I have these like memories of us, like practicing
in the house and Carson and doing acting class.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
Is that my grandma was in there and.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
We were on the bus and in the train with
these chairs and we were just doing a lot of stuff.
I think we got the bug when we started to
get the auditions. We started to land the roles because
you know, when you're going on auditions, man, it's tough
because you get a lot of nose, more nose than yes.
But I was able to land the Simbas show. Brandy

(05:23):
was on Fear and it was happening at the same time, right,
so a lot of magical things was happening in the acting.
And then Brandy dropped the album and then everything went
all the way up.

Speaker 4 (05:34):
So you hear these stories like okay, Joe Jackson and
you hear how he drove the Jackson five.

Speaker 5 (05:39):
It was like rehearsal, do this, do this, do this? Yes?

Speaker 4 (05:42):
Were your parents like that or they just kind of
let you and Brandy do your own things, like Okay,
if this is what you guys want to do, okay,
let's do it.

Speaker 5 (05:48):
Or worse, he relentless in his approach.

Speaker 2 (05:52):
I think my dad will I hated going to cry rehearsal.

Speaker 1 (05:58):
I really did.

Speaker 2 (05:59):
I just wanted to play with the homies, like I
really wanted to just hang out. But my dad pushed
us a lot. And Brandy loved it. Okay, she loved singing.
She loved getting on the bus at like five thirty
in the morning and going to Bancroft Junior High School,
which is in Hollywood, and then Hollywood High School after that,

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and they got her face painted on the side of
Hollywood High just from how hard she put in that work.
So her success, I think it was deserved because she
was going so hard at it. Me I just kind
of fell in to that kind of like that kind
of of level of success with Brandy, and I just

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loved being her brother, Like I was Brandy's brother, and
I was out having the best time of my life.
Like that was some of some of the best moments,
just no responsibility, just flying high. My sister let me
perform on stage, so you know, all the young girls
after the show, you know.

Speaker 1 (06:58):
What I mean, I just want to you know what
I mean.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
I just wanted to get in where I fit in, right,
And I fit into a lot of places, right, I
really fit in.

Speaker 4 (07:06):
So was there any added pressure because you Brandy is
your sister, She's starting to enjoy a level of success.
So were the expectations placed on you, maybe by you
or by your parents, Like, Okay, you see what your
big sister's doing, what are you gonna do?

Speaker 5 (07:20):
Ray J.

Speaker 1 (07:22):
I didn't look at it like that then. I didn't
know really.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
I was just surprised that, you know, we were on
like this, and any chance I got to be there,
I was there. I was getting in a lot of
trouble in cars and all just by choice, you know
what I mean, just rebelling and just finding my own
way because in the beginning, my sister's image and everything

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was like super clean.

Speaker 1 (07:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:49):
Yeah, my mom was very strict on that, or just
growing up in the message that you know, they wanted
to to put out there, So I was the opposite.

Speaker 1 (08:00):
I just you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (08:01):
I just didn't want to do nothing that wasn't me.
So I was like, if it takes me a little
bit longer to like do what I want to do,
then I'd rather wait than like being like a boy
band or like do something now, or just like have
me successful in the beginning of my career. But then

(08:21):
that's not who I really am, so later on you.

Speaker 1 (08:24):
Get lost in the sauce.

Speaker 2 (08:26):
And so so I just I really didn't want to
be in the industry at first until it was just
kind of like my turn. As you know, the older
you get, the more you start to figure out what
do you want to do, And so I just started
to kind of craft it out myself and figure out
how to market and how to like take the risk

(08:47):
myself and do what we wanted as opposed to what
they wanted.

Speaker 1 (08:50):
Me to do.

Speaker 4 (08:52):
You mentioned that you got in some trouble as branded
started to grow, had started to blow up. Did you
understand about protecting the brand that that would be a
negative on her even though it's not her, but you
her brother.

Speaker 5 (09:04):
Y'all very close in age.

Speaker 4 (09:05):
Did you understand what that meant at the time about
protecting the brand and your mom tried to tried to
you're saying your mom was like ray J brud Yeah,
or you just want to do your own thing.

Speaker 1 (09:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:20):
I really was into like the Gang at the time,
you know what I'm saying, and just really trying to
stay loyal to like my crew, my gang, Yeah and
c interview. And it was a time where we was
it was a lot going on, and certain people was
getting locked up, and certain people had passed away and
getting shot, and it was just getting a little a

(09:42):
little too dangerous, I think for me to stick around
at the time because I was in my mind, which
was stupid, but I was like really trying to activate
myself in that world. And I just told my mom
and brand, like if there was any way I could
come out on tour and just kind of get away
from all of this, you know what I'm saying. It
had helped me in and probably saved my life. So

(10:03):
they let me live, let me come out and be
on tour with Brandy and wherever she went.

Speaker 1 (10:09):
My mom kind of kept me around, kept me safe.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
So I appreciate that from them and I was still
getting in trouble out there with them. I was just
I was I was just, but not troubled like you know,
I'm just I was bad, like you know, smoking weed
or like you know, stay out too later, being drunk
too early, right, And that's kind of like where it was.
But they they kind of shielded me and just let

(10:35):
me be myself, but then also kind of brought me
back to reality when I whenever I really got to
like the edge of thing.

Speaker 4 (10:42):
You mentioned that you're part of a gang, and normally
a lot of times, not always, but a lot of
times gangs. Guys that joined gangs because didn't want to
feel a part of something, want to be a part
of a family. But you got a bear intact family.
You got a mom and dad that's together. You got
a book sister that's that's in the industry, and she's
a name. Why would you not want to be a

(11:03):
part of that game as opposed to be.

Speaker 1 (11:05):
Of the game.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
Well, if you know, you're out of town most of
the time, and Moms is with you, and Pops is
at church, and it's just me and my grandma at home,
and my grandma didn't know that the bars in the
back opened up, so I could open up the bars
and push the window out. Then I'm gonna be outside
every day, you know what I'm saying, from at least

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ten am to like six pm, you know, just because
you feel like, you know, you're trying to find yourself
and you're trying to stay I think the young kids.

Speaker 1 (11:40):
Sometimes want to just be cool, okay.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
And you might be talented knowing how to like tap
dance or perform a different way, and it might it
might push you to limits that you might not want
to be that vulnerable or that vocal or that happy. Right,
so you limit yourself from some of the great things
that you could be because you you know, you're trying
to like, you're trying to stay cool right right, and

(12:03):
stay stay at g or whatever. And I think for
all the kids out there, man, you gotta you gotta
just let that go because a lot of the people
in the gangs, they want to see you elevate, right.
So most of the time, most of my homies call
me movie star blood because they wanted me to really
elevate and not be here. So they was the ones

(12:24):
that even inspired me even more to like just be
the best I can be. And they gonna ride and
support whether I'm tap dancing, whether I'm rapping, whether I'm singing.
They want us, They want you to go out and
win and bring everybody.

Speaker 1 (12:37):
Out with you. Right, So a lot of times you
don't see that till later.

Speaker 5 (12:41):
Did your mom know that you were affiliated with a game?

Speaker 1 (12:45):
Yeah, mom, my sister, everybody did.

Speaker 4 (12:47):
And what so so, how was that conversation? Did they
have to sit down and have a sit down talk?
Did your mom and dad have a sit down talk?
Did brand of your big sisters have a sit down talk?
We just say, ray, yet, what you're doing?

Speaker 1 (12:57):
Absolutely, I mean because I didn't need to.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
But when it when when when it like I don't
know how to explain it, but when the like the
when the like when like the gang like take over
your soul almost like you can't you can't you blind
it like you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (13:16):
I couldn't.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
I was It was so much like red in my eyes.
I couldn't see anything but that. And and honestly, I
never really talked about it this deep because.

Speaker 5 (13:29):
It's hard.

Speaker 1 (13:29):
If you're not from l A.

Speaker 5 (13:31):
You don't understand it.

Speaker 1 (13:32):
That's not it's outrageous. What I'm saying right now. You
know what I'm saying. It's pretty pretty pretty loud, you
know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
And so there's certain things that you know, I keep
to myself most of the time because it's just not
believable in this day and time, and so I try
to whenever whenever there is something to talk about, I
talk about it. But what I'm doing for the gangs
right now, it's it's a new C three and C

(13:57):
four uh companies that were created, but it's called Gang
Up and it's God's Angels never give up, right, So
it's it's it's activating all the gangs to to be
able to be a part of this new television community
in any aspect from grip to production, to directing, to
to on front of the camera. You know, a world

(14:19):
where they can create and be themselves and tell their
story every day, make money for the gangs, and create
these new opportunities in the future for a layer of
multi layer of things. Right without getting into detail, but
that's what I am working on to to to express
my love for the gang, but then also to show

(14:41):
the world that the gangs are so underestimated with talent
and what they do and you know their story and
you know what they can bring to the table. I mean,
it's just so many things that people that are part
of gangs can can do that's better than the people
that you hand these top dollars that went to college

(15:02):
to do shit right. And I want to make sure
I open up these doors for them to be great
and to make money. Just like everybody else in any space.

Speaker 4 (15:12):
Everybody knows your big sister, well, ninety nine percent of
people know that your big big sister's Brandon. Now what
how did she get discovered? What was what was her
what was her big break? You say she went on
all these auditions and obviously she's very talented. She can sing,
she can dance, she can act. But what was her
big break? What was her big break moment?

Speaker 2 (15:30):
Her first album I Want to Be Down Okay, and
that was produced by Keith Crouch.

Speaker 1 (15:37):
Darryl Williams was in control.

Speaker 5 (15:40):
So how was she a there?

Speaker 2 (15:41):
About sixteen fourteen fifteen she was working on the project
and then around fifteen sixteen it came out and it
was the biggest thing.

Speaker 1 (15:49):
I couldn't believe it. I was when I first heard
her on.

Speaker 2 (15:52):
The radio, I was just like, that's my big says,
freaking out because you see, you know, you see people
in the studio, the studio working, but I didn't know
it was going from that to that. So it was just,
you know, it was just a blessing, man, And it
was just a crazy run from that touring to Moesha
and and everything that her and my mom and my

(16:16):
dad just had in front of them. You know, it
was just it was very powerful. And they brought me in,
let me produce commercials, let me be a part of
a lot of different you know, business decisions and projects
that they brought me in on, just even behind the scenes,
just to makes some money. So like, I pay all

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my love and homage to my sister, my mom, my dad,
my grandma, rest in peace and and everything that they've
been doing.

Speaker 1 (16:49):
Man, they are definitely the rock that I need.

Speaker 6 (16:53):
To to be able to do me and know that
there's this safety that uh that I have that'll that'll
keep me safe.

Speaker 4 (17:03):
Whenever you're very close to your sister, I think you
a couple of years apart. Yeah, and you recently got
you got a tattoo of her.

Speaker 5 (17:12):
What type of big sister was she?

Speaker 1 (17:15):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (17:16):
Is she She's she's She's just real, man. She's like
she's been a best friend and she's understood just a
lot of times.

Speaker 1 (17:31):
When I was just.

Speaker 2 (17:33):
Going left, she understood it. You know what I'm saying,
and never really got it got in the way until
I was at the edge.

Speaker 1 (17:42):
You know what I mean? And you know you need
that even today, even to this day.

Speaker 2 (17:48):
You know, certain things I do or certain things I
might promote or post.

Speaker 1 (17:53):
She never really says anything.

Speaker 2 (17:57):
But when she thought I have the tattoos on my
face and I was just going through that whole campaign,
she was very mad and she called me. She was like,
you look dirty, you look out of bounds. You need
to go home and shake it off. And I don't
know what's going on, like really really strong words that
I needed, you know what I mean to kind of
like splashing water in my face and get some rest

(18:19):
and and you know, reboot.

Speaker 5 (18:23):
She's your sister.

Speaker 4 (18:24):
She does the album fourteen fifteen, album comes out fifteen sixteen.

Speaker 5 (18:30):
That is your sister.

Speaker 4 (18:31):
But could you see because like when my brother was
being a professional athlete, I can only see him as
my brother, although he's one of the greats. You're my brother. Yeah,
could you see Brandon's any other thing other than your sister,
or did you realize like one of the biggest stars
in America lived in my house?

Speaker 1 (18:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (18:53):
No, I mean yeah, I was, you know, I was
on I was like Brandy's big as cheerleader at the time,
you know. And for me, it was light's camera action.
So it was just nothing but just beautifulness everywhere. And
I was young, and it was just so many beautiful

(19:15):
women and just so many beautiful moments, and it was
just a beautiful garden of love and acceptance.

Speaker 1 (19:24):
And that's your little brother. Oh, it's just like that.

Speaker 2 (19:30):
And it was just I was everywhere I wanted to be,
you know, and it was just a time.

Speaker 4 (19:36):
Man.

Speaker 2 (19:36):
It's crazy how those times are like in the past,
but they feel historical. Man, they feel like they feel
like a moment in time, not just for me though,
just in the world. Like I feel everybody's energy with
me on that. So I'm just blessed to have those moments. Man.

Speaker 1 (19:56):
We're blessed to have a sister and a mom and
a dad.

Speaker 4 (19:58):
Like that, to have disagreements when you were growing up,
or you or she too busy auditions or rehearsals or
doing things that you really didn't have because you're kind
of doing your own thing, because you know, you were
kind of like about to go left, and your mom
and brand and your father, you got a chance to
real you in So you guys didn't have any sibling.

Speaker 1 (20:20):
Rivalry, Nah, not at all.

Speaker 2 (20:23):
Like I mean, what's crazy is like never because I
just never. I never wanted to work that hard, you
get what I'm saying, Like it had to be a
little bit more fun, right, And I think the only
time we was like going back and forth in the
beginning stages was when I was telling her and Rodney Jerkins,

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who was one of the greatest producers in the universe.
I was telling him that for real is one of
the greatest producers in the universe, and the songs that
we got is killing everything. And they was just really
shitting on us at the time. And with Rodney, you know,
it was from all of you know, the new Never
Say Never album, It was Michael Jackson, it was everybody

(21:09):
in the world was working with Rodney. And Pharrell hadn't
had his break him and Chad and the Neptunes, but
I had some of the first records and I just
knew that Pharrell was gonna be a game changer in
Chad and the Neptunes, and so we just fought, and
I fought the label and I fought everybody to drop
Wait a Minute with Little Kim instead of this song

(21:31):
we did with Rodney. But fast forward into later Rodney
and I we did One Wish, La Schiz and Freddie,
all of us well.

Speaker 1 (21:38):
We made a massive record together later.

Speaker 2 (21:41):
But the record I wanted and the people I wanted
to be around in the beginning was Pharrell and Chad
and they thought we was tweaking because it took us
ten minutes to do the song. We was rapping about
being in the club. You know what I'm saying, being
with the ladies. You know what I'm saying, smoking weed,
having a good time West Coast right on a nett
soon as classic beat, and they were like, you're.

Speaker 1 (22:02):
Off the beat? Is why this is not for real?
To this is then?

Speaker 2 (22:07):
And the song came out and we worked it from
the ground up, really not a lot of money because
Atlantic wanted me to go another way, and the shit
started to blow up and for Rell went from there
to there, you know what I mean, And it just
showed me that there's never one way to do it.

(22:27):
What I'm saying like, I could do my vocals all
day for nine hours and that might work. Or I
could do it one time in the in the booth
and it worked too, And so that gave me all
the things I needed really to dominate in this room.

Speaker 1 (22:42):
You know what I'm saying in my own space.

Speaker 5 (22:45):
When you got the tattoo of Brandy, why did you
do it? And what?

Speaker 4 (22:48):
And when you told her you had gotten it or
did you share with her you were going to get
the tattoo or did.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
Which tattoo you got? The one that she got mad
at me? Yeah, she was pissed.

Speaker 1 (22:57):
Why do I need to take a dra too?

Speaker 2 (23:05):
Okay, Well she was mad because because I got Brandy
on my arm too.

Speaker 1 (23:10):
I got branded. I got Brandy a couple a couple
of places, right.

Speaker 2 (23:14):
But but I I got the tattoo.

Speaker 1 (23:21):
On my leg.

Speaker 2 (23:23):
From one of the biggest tattoo artists out mascow right,
and in his style, he like makes it kind of
gothic with red eyes and it's a little evil. The
first way he did it, he told me to keep
it like that. I'm like, nah, put your signature touch
on it, bro.

Speaker 1 (23:39):
And when he did it.

Speaker 2 (23:39):
It made it really like gothic and and I think
the tattoo went viral the wrong way. I think that
was one of I think the tattoo was.

Speaker 5 (23:53):
Was not it for the world.

Speaker 2 (23:56):
I like the tattoo because I think maybe he's should
have taken the red eyes out right.

Speaker 1 (24:02):
But you asking me to put his touch on it
because that's his stout.

Speaker 2 (24:05):
I was like saying that Boskiocht, don't put your your
signature Boskiocht on it, or you know, warhol to not
do what he does, or Picasso or whoever other you
know artists people like and so yeah, I mean even
I think India Iri DMed me a few people like, man,
you you need to pray, and I'm like, yo.

Speaker 1 (24:27):
It was.

Speaker 2 (24:28):
I explained to her what it was and she's like, okay,
but a few people hit me mad at me about it.

Speaker 1 (24:33):
It seemed demonic to them.

Speaker 4 (24:36):
So that's kind of what she was more upset about
is because of the portrayal, because it's God thinking.

Speaker 5 (24:41):
It looks kind of sinister.

Speaker 2 (24:42):
I think, so I think she was. She didn't really
say too much about it. She just was, it's a
little concerned about it, you know. But she wasn't really tripping,
but but the but it went viral, right, it went
viral bad.

Speaker 4 (25:01):
Your acting career, did you tell your parents you wanted
to do this or it just happened.

Speaker 5 (25:06):
It happened by accident.

Speaker 1 (25:09):
I wanted to act, you wanted to act?

Speaker 2 (25:11):
Yeah, I got the Simbash show early, and at the time,
the Simbas Show was a bigger show than THEA So
I was feeling myself.

Speaker 5 (25:19):
Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, sim Band sin Band was nice.

Speaker 2 (25:21):
I think it was on files and and then then
Brandy dropped the album and it went into places that
I didn't think that was realistic anyway, So it all
worked out. You know, I liked acting. I like acting.
I don't like it now because it takes too long,
but I liked it then, right.

Speaker 4 (25:43):
So given a choice, you would have preferred acting over
music or that.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
Yeah, well, music in the beginning was always like a hustle.
After and I went independent because my mom and my
dad and my sister.

Speaker 1 (26:07):
They gave me a half a million dollars to.

Speaker 2 (26:10):
Do my new project because no label wanted to sign
me and nobody was really fucking with me at the time,
and I think they gave me the money so I
can continue to fulfill my dreams and my goals. But
did they believe that I could make a hit after
I don't know. I never questioned it because they they

(26:35):
just they gave me the money because they wanted to
help me and they wanted me to.

Speaker 1 (26:38):
Keep going okay, And so.

Speaker 2 (26:42):
I did the album, and I gave Rodney a lot
of money to do the album for me, and I
gave Little X like a few hundred grand or a
couple hundred grand to do.

Speaker 1 (26:53):
The one which video.

Speaker 2 (26:55):
I got a treatment from Hype, but it was like
six or seven hundred thousand. I couldn't afford the video
at the time. But Little EX killed the treatment best
treatment and the song, I mean, by the grace of
manifestation and just having the will to win. The song
actually was probably still today my biggest record, and we

(27:17):
owned the record one hundred percent. It was independently done
with a distribution company called Sanctuary, which really focused on
rock and roll. It's impossible to do that at the
time with no DJ support.

Speaker 1 (27:30):
But God is good.

Speaker 2 (27:31):
And he worked it through man and the song took off.
The album ended up selling four hundred and some thousand
at twelve ninety nine, which was another big move for
us that was a silent hitter, really didn't boast a
brag about it, and just started to build another system

(27:52):
of marketing after that.

Speaker 4 (27:53):
You know, you said they gave you a half a
million dollars to do your thing. Yeah, do you think
they believed in you that it could or they just like, well,
here here's half a million. Go do what you're gonna do,
and let's see if this thing worked, and then if
it works, now others or we'll come back again and

(28:14):
donate more. Because it doesn't seem like you thought that
they thought it was gonna be. They just like, here,
here's half a million, Go do what.

Speaker 1 (28:25):
You do in this game of life. And you're young.

Speaker 2 (28:28):
You don't see what's in front of you, right, you don't,
and so you don't know what's gonna happen.

Speaker 1 (28:34):
All you know is what you have. And there was
this R.

Speaker 2 (28:38):
Kelly record I did, and they wanted me to go
with that record, and I just said, dude, we're independent
and this might not work anyway, So let's go with
a song that I'm singing my heart out on that
has a lot of meaning to it. Let's just take
the risk with this special song, okay, and we did it.

(28:59):
And I don't know when it became a hit, cause
when you're out working the song, you don't really know
when it's a hit.

Speaker 1 (29:08):
But it was a hit, and.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
Then we made we made some money, and and then
we had to restart again, like everything starts itself over again.

Speaker 1 (29:19):
No matter if you make money or not.

Speaker 2 (29:21):
In this entertainment business, you have to keep moving to
the next, right to the next.

Speaker 5 (29:25):
Can't rest on your lawrels. It's time to move on.

Speaker 2 (29:27):
And I've never celebrated. I've never had a chance to
celebrate anything. Really, I don't think so.

Speaker 5 (29:34):
But let me ask you a question.

Speaker 4 (29:36):
How close proximity was you doing what you're doing on
your album now, your song and the the show Moesha?

Speaker 5 (29:44):
Are they? Are they close?

Speaker 1 (29:46):
No?

Speaker 2 (29:48):
One wish is close? Yes, okay, One wish is close
because I did it after Moesha on One on one,
because I was also on One on one, the sitcom
One on one for two seasons, so it was around
around in that world.

Speaker 1 (30:04):
Yeah, like a little bit after.

Speaker 4 (30:05):
Okay, let me ask you this, do you believe having
hurt as your big sister helped you or hurt you more?

Speaker 1 (30:19):
It helped me.

Speaker 2 (30:21):
It would never hurt me. If I ever said that
I would, it would be I would. I don't know
to to think that.

Speaker 1 (30:30):
I don't know that I would.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
That's emotional too. If I was to say that, I
would cry because that's just not okay.

Speaker 1 (30:37):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
Everything that they've done in Brandy, it was all supposed
to be for now it was. It was never anything
else again. If I could just go back to being
Brandy's brother, it.

Speaker 1 (30:52):
Was just so lit.

Speaker 2 (30:54):
I just can't explain how lid it was then, and
then to overcome that into another world, like I got
what I wanted, you know, I wanted to be the
opposite or got that?

Speaker 1 (31:11):
Did I get it? Did it? Was it? Too much
of it? Maybe? You know? And I'm still trying to
get right.

Speaker 4 (31:22):
Because it's got to be hard. You got a sister.
It's not like she's ten years fifteen years older than you.
She's only two years older than you. And you see
her career as going boom boom, boom boom. And you're
right there because I have an older brother, and everybody's like,
you ain't as good as your brother. You can't run
as fast as your brother, you can't jump as high.
The comparisons are going to be there. And I understand

(31:43):
it's a young lady to a male. I get that,
but you are her brother, and they expect what she
can sing, she can dad, she can act, they expect
the expectations are placed on you, rightfully so or not?

Speaker 2 (31:55):
Yeah, And it was it was in the beginning like that.
And that's why I was so blessed to meet for
Real and Chad and the Neptunes, because the sound that
they gave me countered what she was doing, what not
only was she doing, what one of the biggest producers
in the world was doing with her, what they were
saying I should do? You know, and this will never

(32:15):
work this way?

Speaker 5 (32:16):
Right?

Speaker 2 (32:17):
And then you you turn around and you prove a
lot of people wrong. The problem with that is that
once you prove people wrong, you can't see anything else.
You can't hear anything. You're not listening. Oh yeah, okay,
and so god, you know, if you're going if you're
being too cocky, or you know, just you have the
wrong mission, the wrong words, the wrong energy around other

(32:41):
great people that you should be humble to be around. Right,
you're gonna fall on your face there's no way around it.

Speaker 1 (32:47):
I don't care who you are.

Speaker 2 (32:48):
God always gives you a reality check, or with whatever
higher being you believe in, it's inevitable. And so that
happened a couple of times, and that that's exactly what
people need, like myself or anybody who doesn't understand it
and who falls by the wayside early in the game
with new money and trying to let people know I've

(33:11):
told you so, right. So when you do win and
people were not right and you were right, that's when
you should start listening to people. That's when you have
the moment where now you're on. So be a team player.
Listen to what people say. And as higher as you go,
the higher you go, the more humble you should be.

Speaker 1 (33:32):
That's just how you have to be.

Speaker 4 (33:33):
If I'm listening to your correct you was like, I
have this idea of what my sound should sound like,
so I want to go here. They wanted they have
an idea of what your thought. They thought your sounds
should be like. They wanted you to go there.

Speaker 2 (33:46):
It was like a song called everywhere you Go You're
Seeing Ray Jay Sons of Us, like no disrespect. It
was a cool song, but it just wasn't not then, right.
I wanted to be in the club. I wanted to
fuck with like that women and just like stay lit,
like that's all I knew, right, So it was I
never really serenaded a woman.

Speaker 1 (34:07):
I never really like you.

Speaker 2 (34:09):
Go, like when I was in rs VP, Bobby Valentino,
Sammy Pleasure Pee.

Speaker 1 (34:14):
When I'm around these are my dudes.

Speaker 2 (34:16):
They sing all day a girl come around and be
like baby right right on here, right. I ain't never
been like that, so to have to do that, I
hated that in the beginning. I needed to sing some
shit that was going to be more like fitting at
like what my lifestyle is, right, and so yeah, and

(34:37):
Pharrell gave me that record, but there was a record
call out the Ghetto that I should have did after
that he told me to do, and I didn't even
listen to for real. And when I didn't listened to
for real, that's when I felt hard because he had
my back and he knew the vision and it was
so it was vividly perfect, but I just was too.

(34:57):
I was just I was an idiot and I was
just too into like being lit and not giving a fuck.

Speaker 4 (35:05):
But Ray, you saw the vision in for real when
no one else did you go? He give does the
song with you? He said, you know what our next
project should be?

Speaker 3 (35:16):
This?

Speaker 2 (35:16):
Your next single should be there? Yes, you say, come
out off for Wait a minute. If I would have
released Out the Ghetto, But then who would I be?
Where would I be? I could be lost in the
sauce and dead right now, rich and dead, successful and
uncomfortable with like where life was?

Speaker 1 (35:36):
You know you never know?

Speaker 5 (35:37):
So are you overthinking it?

Speaker 3 (35:38):
No?

Speaker 1 (35:39):
Because I'm here now with you.

Speaker 4 (35:41):
But here's the thing. Who's to say you would still
be here with me if you did it in the ghetto.

Speaker 1 (35:45):
You're right out the ghetto, out the ghetto. You know
you're right?

Speaker 2 (35:49):
And so those are things that those are great depressions
that I went through as I watched Pharrell succeed and
Chad succeed, the Neptunes with just every artist you could imagine.

Speaker 1 (36:00):
They were a part of their success.

Speaker 2 (36:03):
And knowing that I was with Pharrell and I had
that I had that connection and I and I and
I fucked it up.

Speaker 1 (36:10):
You know, it took me some time to uh, to
get back on my feet.

Speaker 4 (36:15):
Is that what happened is that when you have an
opportunity and you think something can be successful and you
miss that opportunity. Is that when the depression starts because
all of a sudden you, like I said, I think
you overthink a lot of things, but you start to think, like, damn,
am I gonna have another hit?

Speaker 5 (36:31):
Will this ever happen again?

Speaker 1 (36:33):
Everybody?

Speaker 2 (36:33):
I think everybody goes through those realizations if they made
a mistake at the some of the most important parts
where the fork is in the road for how your
life's gonna go. Yeah, you know, you go through that,
and a lot of people don't get a second chance, true,
and a lot of people don't try again. And so
for me to continue to try and just continue to push. Uh,

(36:57):
it was a tough just a tough job any man.
But it was well worth it, right, it was well
worth everything that that that's that's happened.

Speaker 4 (37:07):
But you have your acting career as kind of simultaneous
as you're doing music because you have uh, you know,
Steals and Mars attack As a kid shots in the cast,
you got Jack Nicholson, Jack Black, Danny DeVito, Rob you
you a kid and you would yeah, big time stars,
I'm talking about AA List.

Speaker 1 (37:25):
Tim Burton directed. Yes, No, it was big.

Speaker 5 (37:28):
I mean I was directed the first Batman.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
Yep, I was floating, you know, and a lot of
a lot of a lot of things I don't even remember.

Speaker 5 (37:38):
Really.

Speaker 2 (37:38):
It's like some people that's like gigantic, Like they would
tell me like we had moments and we were hanging out,
and I'd be like, really, because I've been looking at
you for the past eight years just a fan, and
I didn't know we even had moments, right, So these
cycles like I've been, I've been, I've been in it.
I've been able to see like the success of the

(37:59):
industry since like ninety four and I was only like fourteen. Wow,
ye am, I sweating?

Speaker 5 (38:06):
Are you good?

Speaker 2 (38:06):
A little bit skinning, a little hot, skinning a little hot.
It's almost chained shirt time with the heat. And I
know we haven't even got it. I know what, I
know how what you're doing. No, no, no men in light.
It's all love. But the way you are, the faith.
You're about to set this thing up for the next

(38:27):
phase of my life, Like, can I take it? Can
I take a cigarette?

Speaker 1 (38:31):
Breakwork?

Speaker 2 (38:32):
Because I know what's about the going into the next
phase of my life.

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Speaker 5 (39:48):
You upbringing, you grow up.

Speaker 4 (39:50):
Your sister's famous, she's big time actor, she's a singer.
Both pants are together. So you got money. You know,
you wanted black familyes that got a little money. Did
your family tell you know what would you spoiled?

Speaker 1 (40:04):
Uh? Like when you're doing TV?

Speaker 2 (40:09):
You always got like my mom always yeah, so she's
we always had trust funds and stuff. So I always
had like an allow ones growing up that I could
spend A couple of times. I was like spinning in
the neighborhood. I bought like this g ride, this big
ass like Cadillac. It was the big long one. Okay,

(40:30):
I was like fourteen. I was getting like, you know,
three hundred a week. That's solid back in the day. Yeah,
So I bought the g ride for like three fifty, right,
and I had it parked down the street so I
would drive it here and there, but I let the
homies drive me around. But yeah, that was one of
my first purchases was the g Ride Cadillac. It wasn't stolen,

(40:50):
It just was like one of the homies like aunties
that didn't want it no more.

Speaker 1 (40:54):
Yeah, but my people didn't know. So I did have
a car like fourteen.

Speaker 2 (40:59):
But mom and dad didn't know you had a car.
I mean that car too. It was like it was
one of them big ass you had, like an l
dog or something.

Speaker 1 (41:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:08):
So if I was, I drove it a couple of times,
but it just didn't even look right, you know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (41:13):
But nah, they they didn't tell me. No.

Speaker 2 (41:16):
There was always a limit to do stuff. But back
in the day, I always kind of went over the limit,
you know what I'm saying. Again, they always had to
bring me back out of the Yeah.

Speaker 4 (41:27):
Right, But you had a lot of famous friends growing up.
How how was that hanging out with famous friends?

Speaker 2 (41:35):
Well, Snoop was my cousin, Yes, and so and Dad's
was my cousin. So I would if I wasn't in
the neighborhood or over in the fruits were Demetrius.

Speaker 1 (41:45):
I was.

Speaker 2 (41:47):
I was at Cannon, So I used to like go
down the street and Snoop and Das would pick me
up and then I would just high under the back
of the Cherokee jeep until I got past my pops
and then we would go to the valley.

Speaker 1 (42:00):
It's crazy, man.

Speaker 2 (42:01):
I remember the last time I got caught out there,
and I had found some Playboy magazines at my school
and it was like under the dirt. It was like
about fifty like nineteen fifty Playboy fifty fifty one, and
my dad and mom caught it, caught me with him
under the bed with a little bit of weed and

(42:24):
coming in from Canam.

Speaker 1 (42:26):
I was lit. I got caught.

Speaker 2 (42:27):
I got my ass beat real bad. I think that
was my last whooping. But it was like what the
stension cord?

Speaker 1 (42:33):
Yeah, an orange one?

Speaker 5 (42:34):
You remember that one?

Speaker 1 (42:35):
Huh?

Speaker 4 (42:36):
If that's the last one you bought, Mom and dad,
probably this is the last time we're gonna be able
to do it. So we're gonna make sure we put
this thing on the right so he'll remember it.

Speaker 2 (42:42):
When my pops was going to prepare, I was putting
all the clothes on my back, trying to get it right.

Speaker 1 (42:47):
As soon as he started, that shit slid all the
way down to the bottom. But yeah, that was my
that was my last whooping.

Speaker 2 (42:53):
But later my dad and my mom found out that
they were old magazines. They thought I was lying, right,
But when they I guess they looked at him, but yeah,
they saw that they was old.

Speaker 5 (43:03):
Right.

Speaker 4 (43:04):
So how did you How was it like hanging out
with Snoop? Because you know, I've gotten to know Snoop,
I've known Snoop all more thirty years now, and he's
he like I don't know him, like in his home.
I've never been in this present like that. But when
he's around, he just makes you feel like you the homie.
He makes you feel so good that he's so cool,
he's so down to earth.

Speaker 2 (43:23):
Yeah, it was a lot of different phases, you know,
through the nineties two thousand.

Speaker 1 (43:30):
Yeah, so you watch you watch Snoop evolve.

Speaker 2 (43:32):
Through a lot of the rough times with death Row
and if I wasn't with Snoop and Dazz, I was
always with Shugs, So it was it was a weird combination.
But every time, you know, you with Snoop, you just
get inspired to just be great and do your own thing,
not give a fuck but care you know what I mean,

(43:53):
and really just just stay on your shit, you know
what I mean?

Speaker 4 (43:57):
Are you surprised because he he's one of the most
recognizable names, one of the most recognizable faces in the
entire world. And you watch it, you say, the maturation
and you see the phases and the evolution. It's like
and you can just see it. Yeah, like he was
once considered this and now he's with Martha Stewart. He's

(44:18):
hanging out with the biggest and the multi billionaires, and.

Speaker 2 (44:22):
He has equity and a lot of companies that a
lot of people don't know from the business side.

Speaker 1 (44:28):
So and he's helped a lot of companies.

Speaker 2 (44:31):
I mean it's just in the stock market, just when
he stamps it, I mean numbers go up. So the
power he has and these different communities are you know, unmatched, unmatched.
So now it's it's good watching what he does. And
for me, I always watch the team. Like everybody has

(44:52):
a team. You come with a team, and you don't
need a hundred people on your team. You need like
four or five really strong like assassins in their position
to do what they do. And he's always had that.
You know, that's he's made adjustments and as you can see,
now everything is on autopilot, but he's hands on with

(45:13):
everything at the same time. So to do ten things
like that or twenty things. I remember many things he's doing.
To have that team, to keep everything balanced, keep the
substance there, keep everything on time, keep everything structured.

Speaker 1 (45:26):
That that's the beauty and that's what I.

Speaker 2 (45:29):
Respect most about Snoop outside of him just being a
great family, father and just friend.

Speaker 1 (45:35):
You know, high school? Did you go to a public
high school? Did a hell? Noah?

Speaker 2 (45:45):
I went to Curtis and I got jumped at Curtis.
I was junior high and I couldn't go to Curtis.
Why did jump you?

Speaker 5 (45:54):
Did they know you? Who you were?

Speaker 1 (45:56):
They didn't know, They didn't care who I was. On TV?

Speaker 2 (46:00):
Was in my cousin Reggie and Ryan, and shout out
to my cousins. They stayed closer to the mall in Delamoh,
and we stayed in cent of you. So it just
we had issues with certain people there when we were younger.
So it was somewhere I definitely shouldn't have been going
to school, But now they let me up maybe a
couple of times, and then I ain't go no more.

(46:21):
Then I tried to go to a school in the valley.

Speaker 1 (46:25):
I didn't really go to school.

Speaker 5 (46:26):
Damn.

Speaker 2 (46:27):
But but I got a diploma. I got the diploma,
but I never went to school. I had I had
tutors too. I told you my tutor stories. Yeah, yeah,
tell us the story.

Speaker 1 (46:47):
I wonder what my tutor is. Joyce.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
Where are you shout out to my tutor Joyce? Yeah,
we would. We would always go out and do our
work outside in the field, somewhere where we can overlook
the world. Right, so my mom, let me go out
with my tutor. This is my last tutor. Yeah, because

(47:09):
I kind of ditched the tutor from like fourteen it's
sixteen sixteen.

Speaker 1 (47:13):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Joyce was the ship.

Speaker 4 (47:17):
Wow we should we should do we have documentation of
you having a diploma.

Speaker 1 (47:22):
I graduated. I got the I graduated.

Speaker 5 (47:25):
I mean sometimes you graduated getting certificate.

Speaker 2 (47:27):
Nah, I got for participating in high school. No, so
I graduated from college too. But I graduated from college Hill,
I graduated from Alabama State. I got a I got
a certificate for multiple disciplinary studies. So I'm disciplined in

(47:47):
multiple areas, you know what I'm saying. Still, and I
got my diploma. You like you see me celebrating. I
got the I got my baseball hat on. I had
a big ass party after I graduated, with like a
lot of pregnant women and delinquents and stuff that never
went to school.

Speaker 1 (48:06):
So it was a lot of us in the graduation.
But it was lit.

Speaker 4 (48:08):
Okay, So what was it growing up? What was it
like growing up for you in Hollywood? Because it seemed
like when you were in high school you are problem.

Speaker 1 (48:19):
Yeah, but that's when it was.

Speaker 2 (48:20):
That's when it was popping in Hollywood. So I was
so like and I wouldn't say bad, like I'm doing
bad things to people. I was just lit and you
know what I'm saying, doing grown shit a little bit
at sixteen seventy Yeah, in the clubs and shit.

Speaker 4 (48:37):
And so parents know you were in the club. No,
so you sneaking at the house?

Speaker 1 (48:42):
Yeah, so where they thought you were. When I was sixteen,
I had a convertible.

Speaker 2 (48:48):
I had to BMW convertible that that my mom and
pops got me. It was a convertible Beamer. Brandy already
had the four point six range. Back in the day,
you were the four points you have to be point
Oh yeah, b had the four point six. She didn't
want to drive it no more. I'm in that motherfucker, right.
So I was just moving around a lot, like it's

(49:11):
crazy to see what was in the nineties and I was.
I was able to witness that. For anybody that seen
me in the nineties and knew that that that I
was Brandy's brother, they was just it was a trip
to them, Like it was like, what the fuck is
going on?

Speaker 1 (49:25):
Yes, I'm thinking the same thing as you're.

Speaker 2 (49:27):
Telling the story, like, bro want to they want to
see it in action. So I would pull up and
then have fun with everybody and be lit. You know, man,
it was a good It was a good time. That's
why being being Brandy's brother was the greatest. Yeah, Like
it was never any friction on trying to be better.

Speaker 4 (49:43):
Right, So there's no downside there. There can't be any
downside of that.

Speaker 1 (49:47):
I would be insane, would be all posity.

Speaker 2 (49:51):
I mean at the highest level to the stars and
the stars beyond.

Speaker 1 (49:56):
You know what I'm saying. Yeah, it was the greatest.

Speaker 5 (50:01):
Your mom was your manager?

Speaker 2 (50:04):
Still my mom still, she's my third I Now, she
watched the management team, she watched the lawyers, she watch everybody.

Speaker 5 (50:11):
What she branded manager.

Speaker 1 (50:13):
Also absolutely absolutely.

Speaker 5 (50:15):
So that's a blessing.

Speaker 4 (50:17):
Because now you have someone that sincerely have your best
interest that can you know, hey, here's the money, This
is the money coming in. This is what we have
to pay X, Y and Z. This is what we
need to save to make sure because if this thing
ends tomorrow, we need to make sure that we're set
up for past tomorrow exactly.

Speaker 1 (50:36):
And you know, she's always instilled that with us.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
And even when we thought sometimes we was low, we
were still up. You know that's just because moms have
put these safety nets and accounts and make sure we
paid all our taxes and you know, just a lot
of different things that's important to be able to survive,
like a three decade run, right, you know, it's hard
to survive one, so read three of them. You know,

(51:02):
something's got to be working, right, there's some kind of
template that we're following that is actually a proof of
concept that works and that's consistent throughout the throughout the time.

Speaker 5 (51:14):
Does she have anybody else besides you and your sister?

Speaker 2 (51:17):
She did over the years. She did, over the years
of seven O two silk tiny, I mean a plethora
of other people. Wow did I use that word?

Speaker 1 (51:30):
Jesus Jesus?

Speaker 2 (51:33):
But yeah, just a lot of people she's helped along
the way, but she's always kept us in first priority.

Speaker 1 (51:39):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (51:40):
How different would your life be had you not had
that strong woman which is your mother, which is also
your manager. How different would Gray J's life be?

Speaker 2 (51:49):
Man, you know how I was talking about. I fell emotional.
That's an emotional question.

Speaker 1 (51:55):
I couldn't.

Speaker 2 (51:56):
I wouldn't even know what to do. Man, that would
be I'll probably be dead.

Speaker 1 (52:04):
Because she has to wear several hats.

Speaker 4 (52:06):
She has to be your mom at all times, but
she also has to be your manager and try to
negotiate and navigate you through music, entertainment or whatever commercial,
whatever the case may be. So she has to be
two but she always number one priority is that she's mom.

Speaker 1 (52:23):
Yeah, man, you know I talk to my mom every
day and she's been helping me with the new network.

Speaker 2 (52:29):
And when you have somebody like my mom on your
team I'm talking about, you get twenty four hour hard work.

Speaker 1 (52:36):
I mean three am on the phone with India.

Speaker 2 (52:39):
Every night working on upgrades to upgrade to trying this
network and back on it with me at nine and
then dealing with the issues. Maybe that Brandy niece, who
are my little niece and still you know, taking care
of the kids when I need her to watch the kids.

Speaker 1 (52:54):
So yeah, man, it's just you know.

Speaker 2 (52:59):
You know, your mom or that that that woman figure
in your life. Nobody should take that for granted because
it's just it is the most, it's the most. It's
the only thing that you really have that you know,
if you gotta survive and you down to nothing, like
you know, they're gonna they're gonna they're gonna find a way.

Speaker 5 (53:22):
They're gonna be there for you.

Speaker 1 (53:23):
Not just be there for you.

Speaker 2 (53:24):
They're gonna find a way. They're gonna find a way
to make sure you straight.

Speaker 4 (53:28):
How often do you bounce things off of Brandy now?
Mm hmm, seem emotional? What I mentioned her? What's going on?

Speaker 1 (53:41):
Nothing? Nothing, I just I don't.

Speaker 2 (53:47):
It's just Brandy's goals, right since the beginning, have been
totally different from yours. Yeah, And there's a lot of
things that I'm involved in that I.

Speaker 1 (54:00):
Just don't coincide with what Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (54:04):
And as much as as much as you know that
we're all together, man, some things, I gotta.

Speaker 1 (54:14):
Some things I gotta like try to like scale here.

Speaker 2 (54:18):
Yeah, even lately, even certain events that I think they've
been having. I mean, I haven't got the invite, and
I'm good with that, but I understand why.

Speaker 1 (54:29):
And and you.

Speaker 2 (54:30):
Know what I'm saying, I'm I'm I'm here, but I
haven't lately because it's just a lot of the ship
I'm doing now, it's just a different it's a little more,
uh left field. It's a little more outrageous, a little louder,
a little more dramatic, a tad bit distasteful at times.

Speaker 4 (54:48):
But you do realize you guys have been so close
for so long being that you still can have that conversation.
I think you would welcome back to you. Maybe you
can explore and say, Brandy, we're two different people. Yeah
we're the same bloodlines, but what you got going on
in what I have going on, although it's different, I'm
still ray.

Speaker 1 (55:08):
J Absolutely she knows that.

Speaker 2 (55:11):
And and for me on the on the side, I'm
not only I'm her brother, and right or wrong, I'm
I'm gonna die for whatever situation she needs me to
be in. But you know, I still I still know
where I see Brandy, where I see the vision when

(55:31):
I can see the future, because I can see the
future for like three seconds, and in that future, I
see Brandy and Monica just torn for like two years, right,
and I got that dream. So even though she understands
where I'm at, I still understand where she's at. But
I understand what needs to happen right now, is that

(55:53):
tour needs to happen.

Speaker 4 (55:55):
Yeah, well you had you were front stage when I
don't know, may be it was manufactured, maybe the industry
manufactured it, manufactured it between Monica and Brandy.

Speaker 5 (56:07):
Yeah, was that real or imagine.

Speaker 2 (56:11):
That's the one that you know that's one hundred real,
whatever it is, I don't know. I just think you're
in with just being competitive, okay, And I don't know
anything other than that, but just the competitiveness of it.
And then you got your your squad and then her squad,

(56:32):
both support on each side. But then you have that
one record that's you can't pretty much be touched the
numbers wise, chart charting wise successful, and so why wouldn't
you focus on the greatest thing that can happen?

Speaker 1 (56:52):
Get that done?

Speaker 2 (56:53):
Secure, Secure, just an enormous amount of liquid to put
aside and and and then figure out anything else. So
just put all that ship to the side and go
out and get and get and give the world what
they want, give me what I want as a fan.

Speaker 1 (57:09):
So I've I've been preaching that and going to happen.
I pray.

Speaker 2 (57:14):
I'm a big manifesto. I mean, I want it. I
want to see it happen. And then everybody goes, well,
you said that Brandy should headline. It's like, it's not
about that, you know, It's about them going out and
doing a great show. Who headlines and all those things
that go along with it is all about.

Speaker 1 (57:33):
That's what it's all about, you know.

Speaker 2 (57:35):
Just all of those entertaining things people can talk about
and choose from as they go and they win together is.

Speaker 1 (57:43):
What it's about, you know.

Speaker 2 (57:46):
But yeah, so yeah, that's But as far as me,
I love being every day I'm trying to uh uh,
I'm trying to.

Speaker 1 (58:05):
Hmmm.

Speaker 2 (58:07):
I'm trying to make sure that I'm consistent with the winds.

Speaker 1 (58:12):
But I don't.

Speaker 2 (58:15):
I don't make her mad or my mom mad or
my pop's mad, you know what I'm saying, or embarrassed.

Speaker 4 (58:21):
That's because they're gonna watch this and are you divulging
things that their probably is going to get them upset
because I don't know if people know that, because they
just automatically assume that you and y'all still have this
great relationship. You got it, and I'm sure you do,
but I'm just saying you don't. It's just like you
don't talk daily or as much as you.

Speaker 1 (58:41):
Once did, as much or as much as I want to.

Speaker 4 (58:44):
Okay, have you had a set down? Can you have
a had you have a set down with her? Have
you had a conversation? Have you picked up the pall said,
B I just need to talk to you. I just
want to talk to my big sister.

Speaker 2 (58:55):
Well, I seen her am I am my daughter's party
and and I told her that, but we haven't.

Speaker 1 (59:04):
But it's nothing wrong.

Speaker 2 (59:05):
It's just I I know, I know some of the
shit I did has been loud, and I'm not proud
of those things in certain aspects. And I know a
lot of shit that I'm about to do it might
even be louder than that. If to just be honest

(59:26):
and so to come and talk about growth or change
when there's a lot more to come with it, it
just might not be the right time yet, knowing what's
in front of me.

Speaker 4 (59:39):
Right, But you know, she looks at you. It's like this,
she has this reception of her little brother da. Her
little brother is evolved. Her little brother is not a
little brother anymore. He's still a little brother. But either
grown man has his own idea, wants to do things
his way that doesn't necessarily coincide with who she is
and what she's about it.

Speaker 2 (59:59):
Yeah, yeah, I made some mistakes though, and I'm and
I'm gonna make them up. You know, nothing to that extent,
nothing that she's even thinking about, but just deep down
on what I know as we progress, I know that
there's there's some things that I want to make sure

(01:00:19):
we make right, just in some of the ship that
I've been doing.

Speaker 5 (01:00:22):
You know, I read that you knew Michael, Michael Jackson, Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:00:30):
Brandy, Brandy you know, going back to Brandy Man. If
it wasn't for Brandy.

Speaker 1 (01:00:36):
Man, she moved you over. Everybody you got to meet, everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:00:39):
Who Michael would have left me hanging. My hand was
out there for ten minutes.

Speaker 1 (01:00:45):
In another row.

Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
He already said what's up to Brandy, But he didn't
see my hand, and a lot of people behind me
could just see my hand out there, and I'm like, God,
just I'm about to I'm about to, you know what
I'm saying, accept the defeat, and she liked Mike.

Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
Mike, Oh hey, Ray, And it was just like.

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
That would have been probably you know what I'm saying,
that would have been catastrophic, and so like you know
what I'm saying, like little stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (01:01:18):
So forgettable.

Speaker 4 (01:01:19):
How was he when the cameras went on? What type
of person was Mike? Because we know in the cameras
the greatest entertainer. I mean, we're never gonna see anything
like him because the likelihood of somebody walking on stage
and people spending days to see him passing out at
his mirror.

Speaker 1 (01:01:37):
Fight, having a faint pit.

Speaker 2 (01:01:39):
Yeah, for people that pass out, it's gonna be for
the people who pass.

Speaker 5 (01:01:42):
Out, We're never going to see that again, Ragel I.

Speaker 1 (01:01:44):
Got an area for people who pass out. That's pretty crazy.

Speaker 5 (01:01:47):
What was he like when there was no cameras.

Speaker 1 (01:01:49):
Around, chill Man, He was super cool.

Speaker 2 (01:01:52):
Shout out to Rodney Jerkins again because Rodney's one of
the greatest teachers and greatest connectors. And so he hit
me and be up at like five am to come
to me, Mike, and it was it was deep and
were cool after that ever since.

Speaker 1 (01:02:12):
But he's super chill, you know, just like anybody else.

Speaker 2 (01:02:15):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:02:15):
You know, you got the world and then you got
you and then you have you the character.

Speaker 2 (01:02:22):
Yeah, so it all, it all, it all goes together.
But when Brandy first met Mike, she like fainted. He's like, oh,
that's so sweet, Like he didn't help her up.

Speaker 1 (01:02:36):
I helped her. But he's probably used to it. It's
just like because.

Speaker 4 (01:02:40):
That's a different level of fame and yeah, I don't know,
you mean, you gotta go with you go with Michael,
Michael Jordan's that's he had a different level of faith.

Speaker 1 (01:02:50):
It was just a few greats like that.

Speaker 2 (01:02:52):
There's a few, but not to not to that level
of like older ladies acting like kids at the eye school.

Speaker 5 (01:03:00):
Yeah, yeah, that's out.

Speaker 1 (01:03:03):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:03:04):
When you think about like everybody who's screaming for artists,
that's usually like the youth. It was like really grown
right big, like people men and women going crazy in
every community.

Speaker 4 (01:03:16):
Ben Staples said, you're one of the top five West
Coast hip hop artists of all time.

Speaker 5 (01:03:21):
Do you agree what he said?

Speaker 2 (01:03:23):
I think he was low key capp in a little
bit no, he was west. He was putting ten on five.
Shout out to Vince. I think he was just playing man.
I look, I don't I don't never again. I never
celebrate like me and my team. We've been out here.

(01:03:43):
A lot of my team was from Dallas, from Atlanta
and New York, but they've never been to the beach
because I don't go out right. So we when we
had time for like fifteen minutes, we just drove over
to vents and walked around. And I was thinking, like, wow,
I don't even walk around and and and show the
team like what to do or go to dinner or

(01:04:03):
anything like. We don't celebrate. We get up if we win,
we like immediately go back to work. Like there's no party,
there's no premiere, there's none of this. So I need
to start figuring out. But as far as me and
what I've done, I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:04:19):
I don't like. I don't like it. I don't like
getting credit, and I don't like I don't like.

Speaker 2 (01:04:25):
What is it called. I don't like attention like that.
I don't like for people to tell me that I
did good or I want to like you did that.

Speaker 1 (01:04:34):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:04:35):
I was telling the team today, Like I was just
going through my rent in the morning before you prepare
for something, so get it all out.

Speaker 1 (01:04:42):
Like I ain't did shit. I ain't did nothing yet.
I just I've been fucking up and it's been working,
you know what I mean. And so yeah, you know
I don't I don't even trip, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:04:56):
I just when everybody's happy around, if everybody got a
room in the hotel, I'm sleep in the car.

Speaker 1 (01:05:05):
I'm good with that.

Speaker 4 (01:05:07):
Who are your top five West Coast artists?

Speaker 1 (01:05:10):
Top five?

Speaker 2 (01:05:12):
That's tough, of course, you know, Ice Cube, Snoop, Doctor Trey.
It gets tough after that, It gets real tough after that.

Speaker 1 (01:05:29):
DJ Quick what I'm saying o F TV.

Speaker 2 (01:05:38):
You know there's just like some real you know what
I'm saying, MC eight and like motherfuckers like that, you
know what I'm saying, Like I'm way in that zone.
Uh but yeah, rass casts, you know what I'm saying,
Like West Coast hip hop art this year, Uh, Cypress Hill,

(01:06:04):
the Dog Pound.

Speaker 1 (01:06:07):
Not ten. You know what I'm saying. I could keep
going Warren g Nate, dog Reget Laters like.

Speaker 2 (01:06:18):
You know what I'm saying. There's a lot of moments
in the West Coast and I'm inside I can see
it too, and like they're my homies, but they're still
they're still getting my playlet above the Rim soundtrack. Fuck it,
that's not an artist, but that's that's a heavy playlist.

Speaker 4 (01:06:37):
Do you think it would be possible for another NWA
to happen?

Speaker 1 (01:06:42):
N w A, I'm sorry, Eazy E, forgive me easy.

Speaker 5 (01:06:48):
Is that possible?

Speaker 1 (01:06:51):
Yeah, it's not possible.

Speaker 2 (01:06:54):
It's not possible to do Snoop again or the Dog
Pound or n w A or none of that.

Speaker 1 (01:07:00):
Ship.

Speaker 2 (01:07:00):
It's just I think it's all time for just big
motion picture movies for people to follow, you know. But
there's a lot of new artists coming up, you know,
that's popping. Like YG has his own moment in his
own world inside of the space, and it's just like
I mean, Kendrick Lamar's Kendrick Lamar's iconic. It's it's in

(01:07:23):
a world of like the greatest in this space.

Speaker 6 (01:07:29):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:07:30):
Well, since you brought Kendrick Lamar, you got Kendrick Lamar
and Drake Beef, you got Quabo and Chris Brown.

Speaker 1 (01:07:39):
That's not that's not Beef. Chris Brown and Kendrick and Drake.

Speaker 2 (01:07:46):
You got you got Chris Brown, you got Drake, and
you got Kendrick Lamar.

Speaker 1 (01:07:54):
And no disrespect to Quabo, but.

Speaker 4 (01:07:57):
But I just mentioned him for the simple fact that
said something. He said something back.

Speaker 1 (01:08:02):
And he didn't. He didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:08:04):
It wasn't hard like Kendrick and Drake was just going.
And then Kendrick came out with that bop direct that
you know that single. Yeah, that's just single, like for
people dancing to it and don't even know it's it's
to be It's be right.

Speaker 1 (01:08:22):
And I love Drake. Drake is my number one artist
right now because he helped me.

Speaker 2 (01:08:31):
He's simple one wish off the Views album that ship
ended up being nominated for a Grammy of the Year
the album and Fucked a Run and gave me a nomination.
They said that I was nominated two weeks after the Grammys,
which I'm cool, and I saw my name that's.

Speaker 1 (01:08:49):
Just said Willie Norwood as a writer.

Speaker 2 (01:08:52):
So I'm a Grammy nominated uh writer?

Speaker 1 (01:08:59):
Yeah, whatever, sample, I'm the greatest. I mean, I'm a
Grammy sample denominator. Whatever I am.

Speaker 2 (01:09:07):
They still ain't give me my plaque with the little
gold little thing and I supposed to get two free
tickets every year, but they ain't called me.

Speaker 1 (01:09:13):
Yeah, we gotta figure it out doing nothing. We gotta
get up in there.

Speaker 5 (01:09:16):
Maybe they don't really know what maybe they know ray J.

Speaker 2 (01:09:18):
Maybe, But that's what Drake did for me without even knowing.
So Drake, my boy is just Kendrick just that that right,
that overo le going all the way up, Drake. I
love you though, you know what I'm saying. And so
I think that's perfect. That's what it's about. That's what

(01:09:41):
I think a hip hop beef should be, you know,
and and and.

Speaker 1 (01:09:44):
Erase the violence. I think.

Speaker 2 (01:09:48):
I think it's outstanding. I think I think R and
B we need to get into that too. Who y'all
want a beef with?

Speaker 5 (01:09:54):
Who y'all want?

Speaker 1 (01:09:54):
You want a problem? Bobby Valentino?

Speaker 2 (01:09:57):
You whack niggas ain't singing like me? What Trey songs
at that nigga don't know how to run? You feel me,
I'm the greatest to ever do it. Fool you ready
for me?

Speaker 1 (01:10:08):
Right? That's you know now that I mean now that
I think about it. You and Chris Brown was on
the Dish track with against Kanye. Yeah, well he was
he was, he was in it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:21):
But nobody heard that song because you heard.

Speaker 1 (01:10:24):
It because you know me. And Chris is like, that's
my brother. You got you go, Chris Brown and Usher.
And they're in another.

Speaker 2 (01:10:33):
World, right, so they can't be compared to there's not
number one or two they're in. They're in the iconic
world of all the other greats up there, right, And
so there they are, you know what I'm saying. But
and Kanye as well, and Kanye is my boy. I
love Kanye. Now we got a chance to, like, uh,
just understand each other and understand the plan and understand

(01:10:54):
what can and can't be and what happened and wasn't
now and and so you know.

Speaker 1 (01:11:01):
We were good. We're good, really good, you know what I.

Speaker 5 (01:11:04):
Mean, y'all?

Speaker 2 (01:11:05):
At first, I don't I don't think so why just
a lot you know, it's a lot of different things happening.
And even though we're good now, there still has to
be a level of respect from my side, knowing their
family and their side.

Speaker 1 (01:11:23):
And but that was before him. Yeah, no, No, That's
why I'm good over here.

Speaker 2 (01:11:27):
I got kids, and I think for the sake of
all of our kids in the future of what they're
gonna be doing in life.

Speaker 1 (01:11:34):
I think positive.

Speaker 2 (01:11:36):
I think just being positive about the whole situation and
every aspect.

Speaker 1 (01:11:41):
Is the only way to go.

Speaker 2 (01:11:43):
Whether we all never hug and say anything publicly, right,
it needs to just be said that with respect. Have
to for the kids, man and for and for when
we're old and they're they're moving through and running the industry.
They all should be able to say what's up and
continue to work and do what they do without it

(01:12:04):
being any like friction or fake fake news out there.

Speaker 4 (01:12:08):
You've been in the studio with a lot, You've been
in the studio with Lil Wayne, Chris brown Snoop the Game,
French Montown, or Tiger, Fat Joe, Lil Kim.

Speaker 1 (01:12:14):
I never been with Tiger Tiger. I don't want to be.
I'm just saying no, I just haven't see. I tried
not to go viral, you wasn't. I just don't want
to be in the studio with Tiger.

Speaker 2 (01:12:32):
It doesn't like Tiger's cool. I just did you said Tiger,
and I'm like, nah, I had to defend myself.

Speaker 1 (01:12:40):
So that did it happened with Tiger?

Speaker 5 (01:12:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:12:44):
I don't remember.

Speaker 2 (01:12:45):
Maybe maybe if Chris were I was in there with
Chris and Tiger was in there, and probably.

Speaker 4 (01:12:48):
Come on, Chris, Tiger know what you established that you
love Chris.

Speaker 1 (01:12:58):
I don't not like Tiger.

Speaker 2 (01:13:02):
I don't why you just didn't just like just rock
with it because I couldn't see.

Speaker 1 (01:13:08):
I had to be petty.

Speaker 2 (01:13:10):
Okay, there's a splash of pettiness inside, like you know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:13:15):
I know, and I try to accepe it, but but
I can't. I just can't.

Speaker 5 (01:13:23):
Okay, So what happened a can this week?

Speaker 1 (01:13:26):
Nothing I've never been on.

Speaker 4 (01:13:28):
No, I'm just saying what it allegedly supposedly. I knew
you heard the news that there was Tiger and trave
Oh oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:13:39):
I seen that. You know what.

Speaker 2 (01:13:40):
What's crazy is that when I was watching it, I
didn't have my glasses on, so I was like this
somewhere like trying to look at who was doing what.
I couldn't see it. I couldn't really see it, you
know what I'm saying. So I don't know who was what.
But I heard that that that it was all false
and it was two other people fight. Okay, I don't know.
I can live with that, but I you know, I
don't really care.

Speaker 1 (01:14:01):
You know what I'm saying. For for uh, for for
that whole situation.

Speaker 5 (01:14:06):
Okay, so now we're going to it's all love.

Speaker 2 (01:14:08):
Tige out of the group, but it's all love, all
love from over here.

Speaker 1 (01:14:12):
Yeah, yep, you know what I'm saying. I just got
my wall, You got your wall up. It's all good, man.

Speaker 2 (01:14:18):
Everybody can be peaceful and show love and be respectful
when everybody sees each other, and then that's it.

Speaker 4 (01:14:23):
So it seems appears to me that where you are
in your life now, that this ray J is a
lot different than the twenty that the sixteen year old
ray J, the twenty five year old ray J, even
the thirty five year old rag J.

Speaker 2 (01:14:36):
Absolutely the thirty five year old ray J was a
mess too, and the thirty was. These are good messes though,
because every mess led me to make adjustments. I needed
the mess every time, and I needed like reality shows
in order to watch myself, because it's like watching plays.

(01:14:56):
You can just watch yourself just you know, doing bad
or good. Then nobody needs to tell you that you
were corny as fuck or weak or whack for what
you did. You could just watch it and then it's
on you to learn it, make adjustments, continue to be better,
and then that's gonna stick with you as you grow. Right,

(01:15:17):
but as you grow, it'll soon you know, shave itself off.
If you are naturally in your new self.

Speaker 4 (01:15:26):
If someone would have told you that you behaved in
the manner you behaved and you didn't see yourself on television,
would you have believed them?

Speaker 1 (01:15:34):
I probably would have turned up even more.

Speaker 2 (01:15:39):
Right away, because you know, you're coming from a place
of mostly everybody has this figure in the industry, this
big boss that is going to tell you when it
tone it down, or you get fired or you can't write.
I ain't had that. We've been black balled since the beginning.

(01:16:00):
We've been blackballed in this industry since probably the beginning
of it all. And and still have these certain elements
of of a of a disconnection, right, I wouldn't call
it a black ball. I would call my balls black
But but yeah, I wouldn't call it a black ball,
just a disconnection. And so you you connect with another

(01:16:23):
source that continues to help you live and and be
successful and be financially strong in areas that nobody else
can get to. So then you are pretty much unfadable.
As long as you respect, love, be humble, be kind,

(01:16:45):
and treat people good, you can't lose.

Speaker 5 (01:16:47):
What song is ray J most proud of?

Speaker 1 (01:16:50):
I hate it first? I'm just like, ray J, why
you do this? I was just like you were just know.
I know. I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (01:17:01):
Look to everybody watching, I'm not gonna let y'all down, like, no, no, no,
still think of me as you doubt. Before I said that,
I was just joking. Everybody got to have a good time, y'all.
I had to, but don't don't. We were doing so well,
I know, And that's what I'm saying. Like, if I'm
hanging out at the house, I'm gonna throw a couple
in because we're having a good time, right, I'm gonna

(01:17:21):
throw a couple of jokes in just but it doesn't
register like that. I'm actually not cool with I hit
it first today, It's not okay. Hitting it last is
always the best, right, because that's right.

Speaker 5 (01:17:33):
You want to and the first man to walk on
the moon, last man walking.

Speaker 2 (01:17:37):
You want to be the last man because the last
man can tell you where we're going in the future.

Speaker 5 (01:17:40):
No, I was first foot brink there.

Speaker 2 (01:17:43):
Yeah, who was first Gray, JA were moving off, I'm saying,
Neil Armstrong, Yeah, the moon Yeah yeah. So it's like
whoever's up there now was building the condos and all
kind of ship up there.

Speaker 5 (01:17:55):
So but I told you it was safe to go
up there. You didn't know. You wouldn't know that that
had that not been there.

Speaker 2 (01:18:04):
Shout out to Neil Armstrong. Yes, but I've learned now,
learning my lesson. Yeah, and the classes that I had
to take. Being first is not okay and it's not
the best for what place to be.

Speaker 5 (01:18:17):
I thought we were gonna do, we do it. We
took a break getting there.

Speaker 1 (01:18:21):
I said, it's not okay. So being.

Speaker 2 (01:18:26):
Later on it's better. And again I meant I didn't
mean nothing by it, by that joke. It was really
not really it was distasteful and it was disgraceful, and
I want to apologize.

Speaker 3 (01:18:39):
I do.

Speaker 1 (01:18:40):
And so my favorite song for me, how dare I?
I mean, fuck, it was just gone one win.

Speaker 2 (01:18:48):
He's been doing this the whole time back there. I've
been just killing it. Yes, I'm sorry, that's just one.
No more one wish Wait a minute, sexy can I
and you already mentioned the other one?

Speaker 1 (01:19:01):
But was it in the list. I knew you was
gonna do that, I was gonna say that I was
going to just leave it off. I'm sorry.

Speaker 5 (01:19:11):
I'm sorry to.

Speaker 2 (01:19:11):
All your fans who everybody that's want My favorite record
would be Melody and that's not on there. No, But
it's about my daughter before she was born and for
the four hundred thousand people in the in the world
that we live in. And I appreciate you guys supporting
and buying the album. Radiation, Uh, that's on that album.

(01:19:33):
And one Wish of course, is like my most profitable song.
Like it's a serious asset for me at this moment
right now today. I mean it's the video from the
billions of streams on TikTok to the millions of streams,
the billions of streams on Pandora and the Spotify streams.
Just it's a layer from title, all of it. And

(01:19:56):
you know, when you really own your songs, yes, you
can really like watch the success of it. A lot
of artists, which is no problem. They are independent now,
but the records that are big belong to so Maney,
so of course.

Speaker 1 (01:20:14):
You independent with me now.

Speaker 2 (01:20:17):
But what about then, because that's you know, that's where
the real assets come in, and so I want to
thank everybody for supporting one wish.

Speaker 1 (01:20:26):
I got a new Radiation classic remake album.

Speaker 2 (01:20:31):
It's like anniversary album on a new one wish for
the classic just Anniversary project. I got Jah Quez, Tamar
Braxon on the song. We got Neo on the project
on What I Need. We got Keisha Call on a
song called Hurt You. Brandy's on the project. DJ Camper's
on the project. It's a really good R and B
project that I think people will appreciate along with this

(01:20:55):
like disgusting mixtape that I'm gonna put out at the
same time.

Speaker 5 (01:21:00):
Is it true that Shaq invested in your music career?

Speaker 1 (01:21:03):
Yeah, he gave us I think one point five million
for Sexy cannert. Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:21:09):
He gave us one point five for the Sexy Cannon project,
which was all I Feel project, and Sexy can I
was the record to lead off.

Speaker 1 (01:21:16):
It sold eight million copies.

Speaker 2 (01:21:19):
We recouped the number back for Shaq and I don't
know five months, six months and everything else has been
profitable since.

Speaker 1 (01:21:26):
So shout out to Shaq. Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:21:27):
If you look at the Sexy Cano video, you see
Shaq in the video right he's the one with the camera.

Speaker 1 (01:21:33):
He's going around.

Speaker 2 (01:21:34):
You know, I'm saying, you know, let me do things
from the front and then a little bit of let
me have a little bit of time on the back end.
And then and he actually got the camera and did
the rest in Sexy Cannon.

Speaker 4 (01:21:49):
How did you convince that Shaq is a bear shoe
business man? He owns a lot of issue.

Speaker 1 (01:21:54):
Yeah, so how did you.

Speaker 4 (01:21:55):
How did you convince him? Like, bro, this is a
great a this is what I need. I'm gonna get
you your money back, but this is gonna be a
big project.

Speaker 5 (01:22:03):
How do you go?

Speaker 4 (01:22:04):
How does ray J pitch Shaq not Shack the shack,
Shack the businessman.

Speaker 2 (01:22:09):
Well, you you know, and with Shaq, you know, you
always have really smart people around you. So money Mark,
who is Shack's partnering this deal. He's the one that
told Shaq about this. And this was actually the first
deal for Whack one hundred to ever even be in
the game, So this was his first introduction into the

(01:22:30):
game as well. From my end, and so money Mark,
Whack one hundred, we had another partner and then Shaq,
and it was a hell of a deal. And I'm
again anytime I ever do deals like I didn't take
the money from from Shack. You know, the team did,
and they were able to make it work and structure
it properly, and then it was a success and he

(01:22:52):
made his money back and he's still making money from it,
or somebody from the team, because I know I'm still eating.

Speaker 1 (01:23:00):
So yeah, so yeah, so shout out to Shack, Shout out.

Speaker 5 (01:23:03):
To money Mark Right, what made you go independent with
your music?

Speaker 2 (01:23:08):
I had to Nobody was fuggling with me. I was
after wait a minute, there was another record. It was
It was called Formal Inviting. So after Atlantic was wrong,
they put a lot of money behind the second single,

(01:23:28):
but again for real had the vision for out the Ghetto.
That's what we That's where it all should have shifted.
It didn't, So it didn't. It didn't register the same
way Wait a minute did and then I and I
was done.

Speaker 1 (01:23:41):
They were done with me.

Speaker 4 (01:23:43):
So what do you learn because you've been in this
this business for such a long time, what do you
know now that you wish you would have known then?

Speaker 2 (01:24:00):
The only thing that I would have wanted to know
then that singing like R and B songs and expressing
yourself musically and vocally, especially when you know how it's
always the right thing to do. All of your homies,
all of your friends, all of the girls you want
to be with, all of the rappers you want to

(01:24:22):
think is cool, they're all gonna embrace you when you
put out great records, especially musically and vocally.

Speaker 1 (01:24:29):
Look at Chris Brown.

Speaker 2 (01:24:31):
Chris Brown is one of the edgiest artists out, but
he still delivers great R and B or great pop music.
Along with the disc song with Quebo Cuebo. You could
be mad at me all you want, bro, and I
still got love.

Speaker 1 (01:24:43):
But Chris he.

Speaker 2 (01:24:47):
He, whoever was on the song, just he murdered the track,
rapped it right, And so you have a chance to
be that. But you also have a chance to be
great and dance and seeing you know, pop music and
R and B music. So that's the that's that's the
only thing that I would want to revisit in the

(01:25:09):
past and not try to be so cool.

Speaker 4 (01:25:14):
Have there anyone that you could have signed you didn't sign,
that you wish you would have signed.

Speaker 1 (01:25:20):
There's people that I wish I didn't sign.

Speaker 2 (01:25:28):
There's people that I wish I didn't sign, because again,
there's a lot of behind the scenes that were a
part of in big producers and certain artists in certain moments,
and certain people have taken those moments and gotten really
rich and then became animals in this game, uncontrollable and

(01:25:48):
really just bad people.

Speaker 5 (01:25:49):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:25:50):
A couple and others flourished into being great.

Speaker 2 (01:25:54):
Right, there's a couple that have become like really bandits
in the game, and I think the game could have
done without as far as their aggression and just their unprofessionalism.
And so there's a few people that I put on
that lost it because again, everybody makes money. You get
a year or two to be cocky and make mistakes

(01:26:15):
and go fuck. I didn't mean to be like that.
All these people I thought was cool. Fuck these people
now I know that, I know who I am. Get
You got to give people a little bit of leg
room to make a mistake or two three, then that's it.
And so that's how I feel about it. But yeah,
I lost my train of thought with the fires like

(01:26:36):
I like it though, that's I'm not hot anymore.

Speaker 4 (01:26:40):
What happened to your your RSVP group? You Sam a
pleasure p Bobby Valentino.

Speaker 2 (01:26:54):
I had so many Dreams for Us, Dreams, Pleasure, Pe,
Bobby Valentino, Sammy, all of us on that versus. That
was the highest versus ever, but they won't credit us
because of.

Speaker 1 (01:27:11):
How disastrous it was. And I don't doubt them for that.

Speaker 2 (01:27:17):
But I think with the group, it is just again,
I watched that movie what was it the Five heart
Beats and the nigga came in with the Rose Race,
and shit, yo, you talk about four of those guys,
not me, because I'm just like, I'm just having a
good time watching everybody beat R and B. Because when

(01:27:38):
you are R and B nigga, you smooth and you
you know, you like you really, you know what I'm saying,
You for the like you really for the ladies. I
was having a good time, but I think we just
got caught up in the moment and nobody was leading.
But I think we can try it again with this

(01:27:59):
new project Bobby Valentino and I outside of the group,
which we could still say is R s v P.
But they wasn't there. So me and Bobby Valentino we
got a great song. It's called Titty for Me. It's
a really good song.

Speaker 1 (01:28:13):
Titty for Me.

Speaker 5 (01:28:15):
You couldn't come up with another title.

Speaker 2 (01:28:17):
Huh, well because that well, because that that's never been like,
you know, I want to be original every time.

Speaker 5 (01:28:24):
So that titty can you can you be too original?

Speaker 1 (01:28:27):
Yeah? That titty for me? And you go that titty
for me, that titty for me, for me, for me,
for me, that titty for me.

Speaker 2 (01:28:32):
It's a really good tune. And in its argument, the
clean version is she's pretty for me, She's pretty to me.
She's pretty to me, you know. So that's there as well.
There's a there's a there's a kind side along with
the list. I just like Beyonce's country version. She got
one that's nice. My kids was going crazy over that,

(01:28:55):
that version in the pool and then and then Prinsident's
played me this song later, I'm like, oh right, so
there's a there's there's a yang to every yang.

Speaker 5 (01:29:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:29:10):
This concludes the first half of my conversation. Part two
is also posted and you can access it to whichever
podcast platform you just listen to part one on. Just
simply go back to Club Shay profile and I'll see
you there.

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