March 4, 2025 • 41 mins
On this episode of the college football apostles, George Wrighster and Ralph Amsden go over the stories from the week of college football-stories that George missed out on because he was traveling to interview Oregon head coach Dan, Lanning, and Washington head coach Jedd Fisch. What does George think of Annika Sorenstam’s suggestion that former PAC 12 commissioner Larry Scott take over the LPGA? Plus, Jim Nagy moves from the Senior Bowl to the GM of Oklahoma football. What are the best traits of a good college football GM? And finally, Ralph gets George’s take on Kirby Smart calling Johnny Manziel, a “champion of fireball.” #CFB #collegefootball #secfootball #accfootball #bigtenfootball #big12football #unafraidshow #georgewrighster
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
I'm George Reister. He's Ralph Amson, and this is the
College Football Apostles and your boy's been on the road
for the last few days, been doing some interviews that
we are going to bring to you here on the
Unafraid Show. So this show is gonna be a little
bit different because I have been totally out of the
loop and our man Ralph Amson is going to catch
(00:23):
us up today and with all the news and that
and so much more. You're gonna love the show today.
Keep it locked, make sure that you like, share, subscribe,
and get notifications. Let's get to the show because we
love college football like you do too, and be one
of us here. Okay, So a lot happened in the
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world to college for ball over the last few days.
I have not been caught up on everything. So what's
been going on is so we are on the speakers tour,
the engagement with the universities, already recorded interviews with University
of Oregon, University of Washington, headed to Arizona State in
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a couple of days. We got start coming from Texas.
We got a bunch more. I'm not even gonna tell
you beyond that, but y'all gonna be like, God, dany,
what are men out here doing it big? Because we are,
because we're bringing great content for you guys. Be one
of us hashtag one of us here on the Unafraid Show.
So been going around and honestly, I gotta be honest.
(01:44):
When y'all see the footage from Washington, everybody knows I'm
an Oregon guy. I was upset that I actually liked
them and then people up there so much. They're actually
pretty damn Doughe not as open my people up in Oregon,
but the Washington people had some dopeness the their self.
But here's the thing that I enjoyed the most, Ralph,
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is that I went up there, got a chance to
see the upgrades that they're making to the facility, the
upgrades that they're doing to the program, what Jed Fish
is bringing. And I was like, Okay, I one hundred agree. Now, Ralph,
Washington is now a worthy rival.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Oh okay, that's quite a draw from So you had
a good trip then, yeah, yeah, yeah. Questions for you
about your trip because you've been busy. We've been working together,
but we haven't had much time to just like decompress,
which is why what's amazing is that you haven't really
kept up with what's going on this week in college football,
and there's not too many crazy, crazy stories. There's a
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couple I think you'll be very interested in. Okay, but
I did have a couple questions for you when you
go to Eugene. What does it feel like home? Like?
What's the feeling you get? You go back quite a bit,
So what what is it like when you go back
to Eugene. Are you just looking out for things that
changed or you I'm always.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
I'm always looking out for things that have that have changed,
because I mean it's not even the same city like
stuff similar, but there's so many more like buildings that
are taller because they have the Olympic Trials there. They
have you know, they've had the World Championships and stuff
like that. So more hotels, it's a bigger feel. Feels
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like the city's growing. And when I was there, I
was like, Yo, too many more people come here. They're
gonna have to expand the road system around this joint.
The way you don't have like traffic because it's built
for between Eugenie and Springfield. When I was there, it's
over one hundred thousand people, but now it's probably damn
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near doubled in size, has to be so so that's
one thing. So I'm always looking out for brand new stuff.
And but also and I get off the plane, I'm like,
bru it feels like home because I spent so many
years there, the love there that I received, the connections,
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and there are still people there from when I was there. Ralph,
the video guy, Steve, Steve Paul still there, the trainer
chief still there, the equipment guy Kenny Kenny was a
student there when I was a student there, the head
equipment manager. So getting a chance to see those people,
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and then I've been able to build a relationship with
the staff over the last few years. So it's been
good and really for me building relationships surrounding college football
in general with a lot of the head coaches and
here is I think, honestly, Ralph, the biggest, like the
thing that really humbles me the most is that when
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I finished some of these interviews, they're trying to hook
me up with their other friends in the coaching business,
like yo, yo, you need to go talk to him
and then direct phone number, texting them and everything. Because
I have when I got into this business. I understand
that there's a lot of people who are in the
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hot take machine, and there's a lot of people who, oh,
I got to be the first with this piece of information.
I'm gonna break all the news. We've broken news here before.
But I value relationships over the breaking of news. So
there's a lot of things that I'm privy to that
don't make the show because it's either not a proper
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time for it, or it's gonna put somebody or something
in a bad light that would then mess up the
access to get you guys, these interviews and things like that.
So that doesn't mean that we're not going to talk
about people honestly and you know, and fairly, but it
also means that we're also going to protect people in
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the situation when it comes to judging, Okay, do we
break this news now, or do we talk about it
in a way that is you know that that's honest,
but it's not like we're telling you exactly, we're hinting
at it. So that's the thing that I hope, Ralph,
that people learn to trust that they do trust and
(06:23):
already and the new people will learn to trust more
about coming here to the college football apostles is number one.
We know what the hell were talking about, and so
sometimes you got to read between the between the tea
leaves and everything else. But just no, it is coming
directly from from not necessarily in the building all the time,
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but from people connected to it, and we are going
to give you honest information here.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Yeah, And I mean, he's a big difference. You love
college football. I love college football. I have a journalism background.
You you played, and you have a media background. At
the end of the day when it comes to the
stuff that we do in college football, I want that
to come through that we love college football. I feel
like that's a thing that comes through with a Josh
Pate or a Brandon Walker, or like you look at
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the UFC and you say, Ariel Hilwani, he's in love
with the sport. He's not just in love with the project.
And there's a lot of great college football writers who
are whose love is probably split between the subject they
cover and the act of covering it. And there's nothing
wrong with that. There's journalism nerds covering college football. I
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want people to look at us as college football nerds
just happy to be able to participate. So My other
question for you is, and I don't know if you
notice this, Seattle people and Portland people they swear they
are two different species of human. They're not, but they're
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not to every to everybody nobody else. No, I don't really,
it's hard to tell the difference. I'm just being honest.
This comes off like regional like race, like a Seattle
person and a Portland person. Like the only way I
know how to tell the difference is like, you're probably
more likely if you're from Seattle to like know how
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to operate a boat, oh first, for sure, because you
and you're literally from Portland the one more likely to
have two cats instead of one. But I don't, really,
like I genuinely Okay, I know a lot of people
from Portland. I know a lot of people from Seattle.
And I'm like, it's like to me somebody who's from
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Minnesota or someone who's from North Dakota.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Okay, it's similar. Similar, Except for the differences is that
people in Seattle they got a little like they're like no, no, no,
no, no no no no, we're big city, like like they
got a big city chip on their their shoulder because
they lost the SuperSonics and they're like, hold up, hold up,
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We're just as good as all these other big cities
around here, and we're better than you, Oklahoma City. So
there's a little bit of that in the in Seattle
where they don't want to be Portland like the underdog
that like the Portland Trailblazers are like. But Portland Trailblazers
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aren't the type of underdog that the Sacramento Kings are.
You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Yeah, I don't know that. There's dynamics like that all
over the country. Like I, you know, I couldn't tell
the difference between somebody from you know, Mississippi State and Mississippi.
Maybe I don't know, and then I go through it
like I'm a I'm a Tempee guy, you know.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Okay, See there's a difference between But really the only
difference between Tempe and Tucson is you're like twenty times
more likely and Tucson to see a dog at the
gas station that's given birth three times in the last
eight months. See see see Here's it's like people who
root for the White Sox versus people who root for
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the Cups. They're different people.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
One is a loser and one's a lovable loser.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Wow. All right, so what so what did I miss
this week in the world The college Football Route?
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Okay, so the first thing I wanted to I've been
waiting for this just like so much anticipation. I need
you on the podcast. I need you to google Anika Sorenstam,
and I know this is college football.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Wait the golfer, the older golfer.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Yeah, the goat female golfer. Please google her. Read me
what comes up on page one of Google. We need
your reaction on this.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Okay, it would have Google helped me. Wait, hold on,
hold on, time out, time out, time the hell out.
As soon as I got her name, like simply like
almost right, the first so it said, said her name
Anna Kasauran Stamp. And then the next thing under it,
which I clicked on, Anna kasauran Stam. Okay, the next
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thing under it as like a you know how Google
will like show you what you typed and then it'll
show you the next things that are most Yeah, it
said Larry Scott. Next.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
That's right, man, she's pregnant. I'm just wait, it's what
it's worth.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
No, No, Anakasaurian Stamp is pregnant by the former commissioner
of the PAC twelve, Larry Michael Scott.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
No, it's worse than that.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
And I call Larry Michael him Larry Michael Scott because
he ran the PAC twelve like it was dunder Mifflin paper.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
So okay, so you want me to click on it.
She's not pregnant. I was kidding.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Oh she's not.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
It's worse. It's worse.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Oh my god. Anaka Sorenstam backs former PAC twelve commissioner
Larry Scott to lead the LPGA. Okay, okay. So on
one hand, it's a terrible idea, right because of what
(12:35):
he did for the PACK twelve.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Sure.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
On the second hand, it's not that crazy because of
what he did for He was in women's tennis first, right.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
He wasn't women's tennis, yes.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
So now, w.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
H huh. He was the head of the w t
A before he came to the PACKAGE.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
So I don't know how much you know, Uh, Serena
Williams and Martina Navratilova and Billy Jean King had to
force him kicking and screaming to like get equal pay
and all of that. But he did preside over that
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era where where their money got up and everything else. However,
you did have the greatest tip women's tennis player of
all time and a top ten player of all time
in her sister in the same era. Okay, so it
would have been hard to screw that up. However, I
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do not believe.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
But see, but that'd be like calling Jerry hins Doff
a good owner.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
And and he's talking about Jerry Rhinsdorf who owned the Bulls,
who him and Jerry Krouse broke up the Bulls because
they thought that they could do it again. Okay, but
they did draft Tony Cool coach, they did force Phil
Jackson on Michael Jordan. They weren't completely just.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
No, no, no, you're right, but Michael Jordan was there
for all six of those. They don't have one sense,
They didn't have one before.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
People, I would error on the side of not hiring
Larry Scott just that. Let's just but I understand how
it makes sense. And you and you screwed me up
when he says she was pregnant by it bro that
that just all right?
Speaker 2 (14:36):
So here, honest question, honest question, why when somebody becomes
the CEO of something, or when somebody becomes the president
of something and they failed miserably. Right, how come the
only job they can get after that is to be
the president of something else? Why don't they get knocked
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down several pegs?
Speaker 1 (14:59):
I don't know, Like when like when you're a college
football coach and you don't.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Don't go be a coordinator like this, step back, Larry Scott.
This is more like billion dude.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
He's still on severance pay right right now. He's not
worried about it. He's He's like, oh yeah, another big
time job, dude. This is think. This is the thing
is that when you get those types of jobs, it's
like when you get to be a head coach, people
don't like you're gonna get another shot probably to be
a head coach unless you were an utter disaster, because
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that's the way people view you.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
You have to do. All you have to do to
be relevant in some people's eyes, is to fail an
attempt at something, right, because people are gonna respect that
you got there in the first place. Right. You've seen
Hillary Clinton's speaking fees. She was never president, right, like
Larry Scott. The the idea that Larry Scott is in
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line for these jobs nuts though, just based on the
fact that like, look at Billy McFarland, right, Billy McFarland
tried to do Firefest, ended up going to jail, got
out of jail, and his big comeback idea was to
do Firefest again. At some point, you got to learn
the lesson. Here's this how many times we got to
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teach you this lesson, old.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Man Larry Scott. Here's here's the problem. Larry Scott was
equipped for the late nineties and early two thousands. Okay,
he was equipped for that because the first PAC twelve
deal wasn't awful. It was just that it was a
little too long and there was no aggressiveness to get
(16:42):
it on like there Like, he wasn't completely inept, it
was just that there was some like he's not equipped
for the future. He doesn't understand what's going on with streaming,
where the where the pulse of the people is. He's
a private jetting you know, put the offices in the
most expensive place in San Francisco. Like he's a what
(17:06):
are the perks of this job kind of kind of guy.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Yeah, well, bad pilot is still a pilot. Like he
knew some of the stuff he was doing, but it
was we can't forget it was a nightmare. We were
the pack of apostles. We're the college football apostles now
because of him. Yes, what's gonna happen when the LPGA
has to has to negotiate a TV deal.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
He's gonna sign a thirty year deal for like fifty
million dollars a year, and then in year ten it's
gonna be like all the other all the other comparable
leagues are getting one hundred million a year. And you're like, hey,
but it was landmark when we did it.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
I just Ana consortn Stamp should know better. She's an
Area shoulould you know better? She's an Arizona Wildcat. Her
conference don't exist anymore.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
Listen, there's a lot of very smart people that kept
Larry Scott in his job for a very long time.
And just because anasauric Ana Kasaurustan was a great golfer,
it does not mean that she was following the world
of college football. And he can explain away, because I'm
not saying he's not a smart guy. He can explain
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away why he made the choices that he did when
it when it came to the Pac twelve, and a
lot of these were forces that were enacted on him.
That's the way you spill it. Oh man, See hey,
hey see you look at the state of college football today.
You see what the ACC is going through. This was
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the Big Ten and the SEC bullying everybody out. Nobody
could have done anything better. Yes, you could have got
Texas and Oklahoma. Then the SEC would be dying right now.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
All right, well, here's this is my ask of the LPGA.
Go back, listen to the first season of Fact twelve
Apostles and then and then use Google in a specific
timeframe for the end of Larry Scott's tenure. And remember
everything that we talked about and predicted going wrong.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Bro. Literally, people were like, George, why are you so doomsday?
You don't know what's happening. And then and then you
had other people who report on the PAC twelve and
all of this stuff, and they were like, oh no, no, no, no, no, no,
they're nearing a deal, they're figuring it out. The conference
says that this is happening, and we're like, no, no,
(19:45):
And one of us was right one and now I'm
not talking about me and you. I'm talking about either
the PAC twelve Apostles was right or other people were right.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
All right, I got the next thing for you. Okay,
so you will be thrilled to learn that Connor Stallions
at least manifesto. No he didn't, well, you're right, he didn't.
Not the one everybody. Oh, I was like, I was like, what,
he got a new one And it's the five thousand
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words he posted on X today about how seven on
seven is bad for kids?
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Do you know what?
Speaker 2 (20:27):
This man went full unibomber and posted like ten thousand
characters coming out against seven on seven. And I was
curious as to your what your thoughts were about that.
Connor Stallion's out here in the public establishing himself as
the moral conscience of youth football.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Okay, so first and foremost, now I want to read it.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Well, if you got a half hour of.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
Forty five, all right, make sure you tag me in
this because I am going to read it. Because here's
the thing that I will say. You've watched the movie,
catch me if you can, right of course. Yeah, And
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what happened at the very end of the movie. And
what is that man doing at least until up until recently.
I don't know what he's doing the last five years,
but up at least until bit before COVID. What was
he doing.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Making sure that you catch the other Frank abocnally's before
they turn into Frank abognally.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
Yep. So if you understand, like and this happens all
the time, hackers get caught, criminals get caught, and then
they end up working for the government to catch the
criminals because they're so damn good at it that they
know where the problems are. I believe that Connor Stylee
is a freaking genius. Bro. I think believe that he's
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a genius, a forward thinker, and I would hire him
on my college football team if I felt like I
could trust him. You see what I'm saying, Because if
Connor Stallions is in with you, he's the I'm gonna
do whatever it takes to get it. But we got
a real yeah in Connor. We got a real yeah.
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Because I do think that he probably has some I
would be interested to hear his thoughts on recruiting his
data on it, because I do believe that he has
put significant time interest. I believe that is his research skills.
I believe are his research skills and his relentlessness about
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them are probably some of the highest around. So but
Is he a cheat too, Yes, so I definitely do
believe that he probably in the midst of this, has
something spectacularly good to say, even if it's not. You know,
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if you said it's ten thousand characters, if like, there
could be four thousand characters of gold, and then you
might have to throw six thousand characters out. It's like
anybody else who is you know, like Elon Musk. He
does some good things and some of it you gotta
throw out in the trash. Kanye has done some really
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good things and has some great ideas, but he also
has some trash ass ideas too, and you just and
you got to be able to sort through it. And
I say a quote, don't throw out a message because
you don't like the messenger. Because even the broken clock
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is right twice a day.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
That's true. That's true. I guess the next thing I
have for you is general managers. In college football, we're
getting to the point where most teams have one. Some
don't call it a general manager, but most teams are
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positioning themselves to have somebody in charge of football. Nebraska
is hiring the new England Patriots director of Pro personnel,
Patrick Stewart, and The big one is University of Oklahoma
(24:40):
is hiring Jim Naggy, Yes, head of the Recis Bowl,
to takeover at Oklahoma. Now, that's a big name. That's
a popular name because he's good at marketing himself. He's
a fantastic interview and he did a really really good
job making the Senior Bowl. Uh, not like a side
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event of the whole draft process. It's like a feature now. Yeah,
and so I guess my ask of you is you
see all these names, some of them are are you know,
very familiar. SMU has j R. Sandlin, you know who's
been around in a million different roles. University of North
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Carolina has Michael Lombardi and they're paying in one point
five million annually to do that job. You know, Now
you have, you have Jim Naggy. Moving on, you're getting
NFL player personnel people coming into college. Uh. And then
I think you kind of have even like Ron Rivera
in a role kind of like that with with Cal
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You're getting big, big names involved in in being a
college football general manager. A couple of things. If you're
hiring a general manager for your program, what kind of
person are you looking to? A numbers guy? A fundraiser,
a talent scout, somebody who's personal like used car salesman.
In the non derogatory way, what are your most important
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characteristics of somebody you'd be trying to hire into this role.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
It depends on my head coach, okay, because on one hand,
if I got to pay my general manager one point
five million dollars, like I mean, that's taken away some
of the duties that the head coach was doing. Okay,
if we're really being honest. So this is a new
era and a new day. So let's say that I
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have a head coach like Kirby smart, right, right, I
want my general manager to So Georgia has already whatever
Kirby has in place already in terms of their processes
for scouting, their processes for recruiting and understanding like talent
(27:00):
an evaluation. They're clearly doing a great job of that
at Georgia, right yeah, Okay, So their general manager is
probably going to be the guy that is going to
be a bean counter on some on some level, like
his job is to manage the salary cap. His job
is to understand how much they can pay players and
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understand the business of the football and too, that way
then be able to present this information to the head
coach for the head coach to then make the choices.
So because I do think that the that a guy
like Kirby, he's focused on coaching the coaches and that
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THEX like you don't need help x's and o's, you
don't need help scouting. So I think for Georgia that
that the ask is a little bit different, right if
you will that that makes.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
Sense, It makes sense that it would be conditional. Yeah,
so you take a school like Stanford, right, Stanford is Andrew, Look,
that's a unique dude.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
He's got to figure out how to make Stanford cool,
Like he's got to figure out how to market Stanford
not as a not as a I mean, everybody understands
what Stanford is as an academic institution. But this era
of players doesn't relate to the David Shaw era, Like
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it doesn't feel as like that it was so short
between Jim Harbaugh and David Shaw that it didn't you
know that it didn't stick with people. And so like
you need to make Stanford what Notre Dame is in
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football prestige, and I know that that Stanford stands above
Notre Dame on the actandemic prestige level. However, though, too
Stanford has to buy in like if like Stanford has
to want to win in football, and that doesn't mean
that you have to relax all of your academic standards,
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but you do have to be a little more kind
when it comes to getting good players in because there
are plenty of good players who can do your work
and everything else. And then the second thing that Stanford
has to do is they got to let people in
grad school because you're not gonna cause you can't keep
your fifth year seniors after they graduate because of the
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stance of the school. And then the players have to
stay on campus, or at least had to, and then
they're having to move like they're put in the same
lottery for housing that the rest of the students are.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
So like, so, what do you think that somebody like
him is the right move? Because having a scout at
Stanford doesn't make sense. No, no, because you could scout
people all day. They're not qualified to come to your school.
It doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
Yeah, So I So for for Andrew Luck, he's got
to be the liaison between football and the university. He's
the guy that's probably built up enough cachet to be
able to go to the administration and be like, here
are the things that we need if you want to
win at football, we need these things, and he may
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be the guy to be able to get it. So
I think that, and then he's got to then figure
out the marketing plan for Stanford football to make kids yo,
I want to go to Stanford. I want to go
to Stanford. Like, you got to make it cool. It's
not even cool to their fans. Their stadium is empty
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every damn time. So like his job is going to
be community outreach, Like, like, you gotta make Stanford what
USC is in terms of USC has so many fans
now now granted we have talked about the passion and
all of that stuff, but they have a ton of fans.
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There are more people running around southern California with USC
tattoos that have never been to USC. And that's what
you got to make Stanford into to where like people
want to like that this is the school of the community,
even though nobody can get in there.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
A big part of the appeal of Stanford is that
it's not for everybody, right, Like that exclusivity is the
same thing that keeps the nightclubs lights on.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
In USC is exclusive except to rich kids, and and
and academically and academically prowess to people.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
Yeah, but you look at the neighborhood USC's in versus
the neighborhood that Stanford's in, and there.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
Are people around here got some rough parts.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Man, All right, well what I buy? We went off topic,
But I will say this. The NFL or the NCAA
GM thing is fascinating to me because you can have
so many different people with so many different skill sets
in this role. And and like you said, sometimes it's
just the right person for the right coach that matters.
But you have a guy like Jim Naggy go to Oklahoma,
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and the difference that they're hoping he makes is instead
of inviting seniors to come to the Reces Bowl, he's
inviting transfer portal players to come to Oklahoma, the highest
level transfer portal that that he's able to identify vanity.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
I don't even think that that's what you want from
Jim Naggy at Oklahoma.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
And don't hire it.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
No no, no, no, oh no no no. I could not rap.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
I could not contact Huh. He's got a lot of
media contact.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, but that's not what I want.
If I'm Brent Vinables, what I want from Jim Naggy,
which I think that this is a fantastic hire. Yes,
I do believe that there's transfer portal implications to it,
But the overarching thing is that what is Jim Naggy
(33:11):
good at? Think about that, What is he actually good at.
I think he's good at, well, sorry, great at. I
think he's great at two things. Number one, talent evaluation. Yeah,
so high school, college transferred portal evaluations. He should be
(33:33):
the best in the country and one of the best
in the country at it. Okay, but it's hard.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
To jump into high school without having done it at all.
And that's the difference between him and Barton Simmons at Vanderbilt.
Barton Simmons came from what like two four seven or whatever. Yeah,
he was like one of their main guys and he
went to Vanderbilt. I think it's harder for somebody who's
looking at guys to say are you NFL ready to
then say are you college ready than it is for
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somebody who understand and is projecting NFL talent from the
high school level. So I think there it will be
a little bit of an adjustment if he's trying to
focus on high school kids so much deeper pool to
swim it.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
Yeah, so I think that you want him for his recruiting.
I'm sorry for his Yeah, for his recruiting evaluations, all
of that stuff. And then then the second thing is
what you mentioned what he did for the Senior Bowl
in terms of the marketing of the Senior Bowl, making
the Senior Bowl cool, making people, making it feel exclusive,
(34:33):
making it feel head and shoulders above the other all
Star games. I believe that that if he can translate
that energy into the Oklahoma brand by doing those two things,
it's a home run higher.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
Yeah, I just I love I love the diversity of
all of it. You got a guy like Reggie Calhoun
junior at Colorado. That's a money man, yep, that's a
connections man like that's somebody who represents himself and who
he's bringing with him very well to corporations and partners.
(35:17):
And yeah, I mean, it's it's just gonna it's gonna
take all kinds. It's just as people make these hires.
There's people who are very strong on the administrative side
that that have these roles. There are people who have
media connects, there's people who are scouts, there's people who
are money people, and then there's some people who are
just hiring alumni to go out and do kind of
(35:37):
Who is the usc A D that was? Was it
Lynn Swan?
Speaker 1 (35:44):
Yes? Yes, yes, yes, yes yes.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
And there's people who are in that role as well.
I'm just fascinated by the whole thing. Last thing up today,
Last thing up today. Did you hear what Herbie Smart
said about Johnny Manziel.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
No, I heard something about that there that something happened.
I just don't know what. So so from so I
heard Johnny Manziel caught astray.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
Yes, okay, So Kirby Smart was I don't know who
he was speaking to, but he wash he was at
a coaching clinic and he was saying, you know, four
college quarterbacks popped up on a screen, Bryce Young, Joe Burrow,
(36:38):
Johnny Manzel, and Cam Newton, and he asked the crowd
what each quarterback had in common. Somebody yells out Heisman,
and Kirby Smart says, good answer, and then someone else
says champion, and Kirby Smart said champions. He ain't no champion,
champion of what, champion of fireball.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
Champion of fireball brought us dastardly. That is, he is
out of pocket, Kirby. Kirby, you need to stop, bro,
you are out of pocket for that. That that's too far.
He okay, So he was well within his right to
be like champion, champion of what. That's where he should
have stopped. Champion period period. He was like champion of fireball.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Damn. I would say a couple of things about that.
Number one, Stephen A. Smith comes to mind. You didn't
have to say it. You're not wrong, but you have
to go there.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
Yeah, you're not wrong.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
The champion of fireball.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
Yes, yes, he was the champion of of of of
coke lines in the bathroom. Maybe maybe I don't know,
but actually no, you know you you know what, guys,
I didn't need to say that. I just did what
Kirby Smart did. I'm sorry, Johnny, I should have did that.
That that was too low, low hanging fruit. I'm better
than that. I'm better than that. You didn't deserve that.
(38:12):
You out here on your press tour, you're cleaning up,
doing all the things, hopefully right. So I want you
to win Johnny. So I'm strike that from the record,
Johnny Manziel has a pretty good sense of humor.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
And I what would you do if you were him
and you heard that? Mm hmmm.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
When Johnny Manziel was a school what Kirby was the
DC at Alabama?
Speaker 2 (38:37):
Right? Yeah? I think so, yeah, I'll be like, well,
would you pose on Instagram with a with a bottle?
Speaker 1 (38:45):
No? No, no, no, no? Held up because I'm in recovery.
So we don't play these games.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
Recover, Johnny Manzel and recovery. Now, I believe so he
spent that whole documentary drinking beers saying he didn't need to.
Speaker 1 (38:59):
Be really, yeah, you don't remember.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
The the Johnny Manziel documentary.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
You just I thought he said that. Maybe I made
that up in my own mind, but I thought that
he was, you know, clean.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
Now, I just projected that on Tim. I don't think.
I think he's just living life in Scottsdale. But maybe
I'm wrong. Maybe I'm wrong. Yeah, I could be wrong.
I could be wrong. I know he I mean he
went to rehab like ten years ago.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
I thought he talked to him about that and how
he was living with his parents and trying to you know,
that's just one day at a time. That sounds like
sober living, you know, to me, I could be true.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
Okay, I found an article from Oh this is from
twenty sixteen, Johnny Manziel says he's going completely sober. Well
that didn't happen, No, I don't. I think he's just
living his life. Man. Well Kirby, Yeah, Kirby maybe needs to.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
Yeah, yeah, man, I just don't. Like, I'm just not
a fan of taking shots at people when they have,
you know, have had substance abuse issues, just because, I mean.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
Especially because of some of the stuff that's happened in
his program recently, Like, yeah, you definitely want to take
the plank caddy rye before you go trying to get
the back out of somebody else's Yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
Yeah, but I may post to Steve Smith meme though.
See it's different.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
Right on. Man. Well, that's that's it. That's new. That's
news since you since you've been gone, not much more
people arguing about scheduling. That's a big one. Texas patting
themselves on the back for having having tough non con
schedules even though they got San Jose State and stuff
(41:06):
like that.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
I like reward, yeah, reward. Tough scheduling, and we'll talk
more about all of this stuff next week. You guys,
keep it locked. I'm George Reiser. He's Ralph Ampson College
Football Apostles interviews coming up soon. Peace out, catch you later.
I'm George Reister. He's Ralph Amson, and this is the
College Football Apostles and your boy's been on the road
for the last few days, been doing some interviews that
we are going to bring to you here on the
Unafraid Show. So this show is gonna be a little
bit different because I have been totally out of the
loop and our man Ralph Amson is going to catch
(00:23):
us up today and with all the news and that
and so much more. You're gonna love the show today.
Keep it locked, make sure that you like, share, subscribe,
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love college football like you do too, and be one
of us here. Okay, So a lot happened in the
(00:59):
world to college for ball over the last few days.
I have not been caught up on everything. So what's
been going on is so we are on the speakers tour,
the engagement with the universities, already recorded interviews with University
of Oregon, University of Washington, headed to Arizona State in
(01:22):
a couple of days. We got start coming from Texas.
We got a bunch more. I'm not even gonna tell
you beyond that, but y'all gonna be like, God, dany,
what are men out here doing it big? Because we are,
because we're bringing great content for you guys. Be one
of us hashtag one of us here on the Unafraid Show.
So been going around and honestly, I gotta be honest.
(01:44):
When y'all see the footage from Washington, everybody knows I'm
an Oregon guy. I was upset that I actually liked
them and then people up there so much. They're actually
pretty damn Doughe not as open my people up in Oregon,
but the Washington people had some dopeness the their self.
But here's the thing that I enjoyed the most, Ralph,
(02:06):
is that I went up there, got a chance to
see the upgrades that they're making to the facility, the
upgrades that they're doing to the program, what Jed Fish
is bringing. And I was like, Okay, I one hundred agree. Now, Ralph,
Washington is now a worthy rival.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Oh okay, that's quite a draw from So you had
a good trip then, yeah, yeah, yeah. Questions for you
about your trip because you've been busy. We've been working together,
but we haven't had much time to just like decompress,
which is why what's amazing is that you haven't really
kept up with what's going on this week in college football,
and there's not too many crazy, crazy stories. There's a
(02:46):
couple I think you'll be very interested in. Okay, but
I did have a couple questions for you when you
go to Eugene. What does it feel like home? Like?
What's the feeling you get? You go back quite a bit,
So what what is it like when you go back
to Eugene. Are you just looking out for things that
changed or you I'm always.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
I'm always looking out for things that have that have changed,
because I mean it's not even the same city like
stuff similar, but there's so many more like buildings that
are taller because they have the Olympic Trials there. They
have you know, they've had the World Championships and stuff
like that. So more hotels, it's a bigger feel. Feels
(03:27):
like the city's growing. And when I was there, I
was like, Yo, too many more people come here. They're
gonna have to expand the road system around this joint.
The way you don't have like traffic because it's built
for between Eugenie and Springfield. When I was there, it's
over one hundred thousand people, but now it's probably damn
(03:47):
near doubled in size, has to be so so that's
one thing. So I'm always looking out for brand new stuff.
And but also and I get off the plane, I'm like,
bru it feels like home because I spent so many
years there, the love there that I received, the connections,
(04:10):
and there are still people there from when I was there. Ralph,
the video guy, Steve, Steve Paul still there, the trainer
chief still there, the equipment guy Kenny Kenny was a
student there when I was a student there, the head
equipment manager. So getting a chance to see those people,
(04:32):
and then I've been able to build a relationship with
the staff over the last few years. So it's been
good and really for me building relationships surrounding college football
in general with a lot of the head coaches and
here is I think, honestly, Ralph, the biggest, like the
thing that really humbles me the most is that when
(04:54):
I finished some of these interviews, they're trying to hook
me up with their other friends in the coaching business,
like yo, yo, you need to go talk to him
and then direct phone number, texting them and everything. Because
I have when I got into this business. I understand
that there's a lot of people who are in the
(05:15):
hot take machine, and there's a lot of people who, oh,
I got to be the first with this piece of information.
I'm gonna break all the news. We've broken news here before.
But I value relationships over the breaking of news. So
there's a lot of things that I'm privy to that
don't make the show because it's either not a proper
(05:37):
time for it, or it's gonna put somebody or something
in a bad light that would then mess up the
access to get you guys, these interviews and things like that.
So that doesn't mean that we're not going to talk
about people honestly and you know, and fairly, but it
also means that we're also going to protect people in
(06:01):
the situation when it comes to judging, Okay, do we
break this news now, or do we talk about it
in a way that is you know that that's honest,
but it's not like we're telling you exactly, we're hinting
at it. So that's the thing that I hope, Ralph,
that people learn to trust that they do trust and
(06:23):
already and the new people will learn to trust more
about coming here to the college football apostles is number one.
We know what the hell were talking about, and so
sometimes you got to read between the between the tea
leaves and everything else. But just no, it is coming
directly from from not necessarily in the building all the time,
(06:45):
but from people connected to it, and we are going
to give you honest information here.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Yeah, And I mean, he's a big difference. You love
college football. I love college football. I have a journalism background.
You you played, and you have a media background. At
the end of the day when it comes to the
stuff that we do in college football, I want that
to come through that we love college football. I feel
like that's a thing that comes through with a Josh
Pate or a Brandon Walker, or like you look at
(07:12):
the UFC and you say, Ariel Hilwani, he's in love
with the sport. He's not just in love with the project.
And there's a lot of great college football writers who
are whose love is probably split between the subject they
cover and the act of covering it. And there's nothing
wrong with that. There's journalism nerds covering college football. I
(07:34):
want people to look at us as college football nerds
just happy to be able to participate. So My other
question for you is, and I don't know if you
notice this, Seattle people and Portland people they swear they
are two different species of human. They're not, but they're
(07:58):
not to every to everybody nobody else. No, I don't really,
it's hard to tell the difference. I'm just being honest.
This comes off like regional like race, like a Seattle
person and a Portland person. Like the only way I
know how to tell the difference is like, you're probably
more likely if you're from Seattle to like know how
(08:20):
to operate a boat, oh first, for sure, because you
and you're literally from Portland the one more likely to
have two cats instead of one. But I don't, really,
like I genuinely Okay, I know a lot of people
from Portland. I know a lot of people from Seattle.
And I'm like, it's like to me somebody who's from
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Minnesota or someone who's from North Dakota.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Okay, it's similar. Similar, Except for the differences is that
people in Seattle they got a little like they're like no, no, no,
no, no no no no, we're big city, like like they
got a big city chip on their their shoulder because
they lost the SuperSonics and they're like, hold up, hold up,
(09:08):
We're just as good as all these other big cities
around here, and we're better than you, Oklahoma City. So
there's a little bit of that in the in Seattle
where they don't want to be Portland like the underdog
that like the Portland Trailblazers are like. But Portland Trailblazers
(09:28):
aren't the type of underdog that the Sacramento Kings are.
You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Yeah, I don't know that. There's dynamics like that all
over the country. Like I, you know, I couldn't tell
the difference between somebody from you know, Mississippi State and Mississippi.
Maybe I don't know, and then I go through it
like I'm a I'm a Tempee guy, you know.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Okay, See there's a difference between But really the only
difference between Tempe and Tucson is you're like twenty times
more likely and Tucson to see a dog at the
gas station that's given birth three times in the last
eight months. See see see Here's it's like people who
root for the White Sox versus people who root for
(10:13):
the Cups. They're different people.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
One is a loser and one's a lovable loser.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Wow. All right, so what so what did I miss
this week in the world The college Football Route?
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Okay, so the first thing I wanted to I've been
waiting for this just like so much anticipation. I need
you on the podcast. I need you to google Anika Sorenstam,
and I know this is college football.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Wait the golfer, the older golfer.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Yeah, the goat female golfer. Please google her. Read me
what comes up on page one of Google. We need
your reaction on this.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Okay, it would have Google helped me. Wait, hold on,
hold on, time out, time out, time the hell out.
As soon as I got her name, like simply like
almost right, the first so it said, said her name
Anna Kasauran Stamp. And then the next thing under it,
which I clicked on, Anna kasauran Stam. Okay, the next
(11:20):
thing under it as like a you know how Google
will like show you what you typed and then it'll
show you the next things that are most Yeah, it
said Larry Scott. Next.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
That's right, man, she's pregnant. I'm just wait, it's what
it's worth.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
No, No, Anakasaurian Stamp is pregnant by the former commissioner
of the PAC twelve, Larry Michael Scott.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
No, it's worse than that.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
And I call Larry Michael him Larry Michael Scott because
he ran the PAC twelve like it was dunder Mifflin paper.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
So okay, so you want me to click on it.
She's not pregnant. I was kidding.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Oh she's not.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
It's worse. It's worse.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Oh my god. Anaka Sorenstam backs former PAC twelve commissioner
Larry Scott to lead the LPGA. Okay, okay. So on
one hand, it's a terrible idea, right because of what
(12:35):
he did for the PACK twelve.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Sure.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
On the second hand, it's not that crazy because of
what he did for He was in women's tennis first, right.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
He wasn't women's tennis, yes.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
So now, w.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
H huh. He was the head of the w t
A before he came to the PACKAGE.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
So I don't know how much you know, Uh, Serena
Williams and Martina Navratilova and Billy Jean King had to
force him kicking and screaming to like get equal pay
and all of that. But he did preside over that
(13:17):
era where where their money got up and everything else. However,
you did have the greatest tip women's tennis player of
all time and a top ten player of all time
in her sister in the same era. Okay, so it
would have been hard to screw that up. However, I
(13:38):
do not believe.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
But see, but that'd be like calling Jerry hins Doff
a good owner.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
And and he's talking about Jerry Rhinsdorf who owned the Bulls,
who him and Jerry Krouse broke up the Bulls because
they thought that they could do it again. Okay, but
they did draft Tony Cool coach, they did force Phil
Jackson on Michael Jordan. They weren't completely just.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
No, no, no, you're right, but Michael Jordan was there
for all six of those. They don't have one sense,
They didn't have one before.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
People, I would error on the side of not hiring
Larry Scott just that. Let's just but I understand how
it makes sense. And you and you screwed me up
when he says she was pregnant by it bro that
that just all right?
Speaker 2 (14:36):
So here, honest question, honest question, why when somebody becomes
the CEO of something, or when somebody becomes the president
of something and they failed miserably. Right, how come the
only job they can get after that is to be
the president of something else? Why don't they get knocked
(14:58):
down several pegs?
Speaker 1 (14:59):
I don't know, Like when like when you're a college
football coach and you don't.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Don't go be a coordinator like this, step back, Larry Scott.
This is more like billion dude.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
He's still on severance pay right right now. He's not
worried about it. He's He's like, oh yeah, another big
time job, dude. This is think. This is the thing
is that when you get those types of jobs, it's
like when you get to be a head coach, people
don't like you're gonna get another shot probably to be
a head coach unless you were an utter disaster, because
(15:35):
that's the way people view you.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
You have to do. All you have to do to
be relevant in some people's eyes, is to fail an
attempt at something, right, because people are gonna respect that
you got there in the first place. Right. You've seen
Hillary Clinton's speaking fees. She was never president, right, like
Larry Scott. The the idea that Larry Scott is in
(15:59):
line for these jobs nuts though, just based on the
fact that like, look at Billy McFarland, right, Billy McFarland
tried to do Firefest, ended up going to jail, got
out of jail, and his big comeback idea was to
do Firefest again. At some point, you got to learn
the lesson. Here's this how many times we got to
(16:19):
teach you this lesson, old.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Man Larry Scott. Here's here's the problem. Larry Scott was
equipped for the late nineties and early two thousands. Okay,
he was equipped for that because the first PAC twelve
deal wasn't awful. It was just that it was a
little too long and there was no aggressiveness to get
(16:42):
it on like there Like, he wasn't completely inept, it
was just that there was some like he's not equipped
for the future. He doesn't understand what's going on with streaming,
where the where the pulse of the people is. He's
a private jetting you know, put the offices in the
most expensive place in San Francisco. Like he's a what
(17:06):
are the perks of this job kind of kind of guy.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Yeah, well, bad pilot is still a pilot. Like he
knew some of the stuff he was doing, but it
was we can't forget it was a nightmare. We were
the pack of apostles. We're the college football apostles now
because of him. Yes, what's gonna happen when the LPGA
has to has to negotiate a TV deal.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
He's gonna sign a thirty year deal for like fifty
million dollars a year, and then in year ten it's
gonna be like all the other all the other comparable
leagues are getting one hundred million a year. And you're like, hey,
but it was landmark when we did it.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
I just Ana consortn Stamp should know better. She's an
Area shoulould you know better? She's an Arizona Wildcat. Her
conference don't exist anymore.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
Listen, there's a lot of very smart people that kept
Larry Scott in his job for a very long time.
And just because anasauric Ana Kasaurustan was a great golfer,
it does not mean that she was following the world
of college football. And he can explain away, because I'm
not saying he's not a smart guy. He can explain
(18:28):
away why he made the choices that he did when
it when it came to the Pac twelve, and a
lot of these were forces that were enacted on him.
That's the way you spill it. Oh man, See hey,
hey see you look at the state of college football today.
You see what the ACC is going through. This was
(18:50):
the Big Ten and the SEC bullying everybody out. Nobody
could have done anything better. Yes, you could have got
Texas and Oklahoma. Then the SEC would be dying right now.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
All right, well, here's this is my ask of the LPGA.
Go back, listen to the first season of Fact twelve
Apostles and then and then use Google in a specific
timeframe for the end of Larry Scott's tenure. And remember
everything that we talked about and predicted going wrong.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Bro. Literally, people were like, George, why are you so doomsday?
You don't know what's happening. And then and then you
had other people who report on the PAC twelve and
all of this stuff, and they were like, oh no, no, no, no, no, no,
they're nearing a deal, they're figuring it out. The conference
says that this is happening, and we're like, no, no,
(19:45):
And one of us was right one and now I'm
not talking about me and you. I'm talking about either
the PAC twelve Apostles was right or other people were right.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
All right, I got the next thing for you. Okay,
so you will be thrilled to learn that Connor Stallions
at least manifesto. No he didn't, well, you're right, he didn't.
Not the one everybody. Oh, I was like, I was like, what,
he got a new one And it's the five thousand
(20:19):
words he posted on X today about how seven on
seven is bad for kids?
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Do you know what?
Speaker 2 (20:27):
This man went full unibomber and posted like ten thousand
characters coming out against seven on seven. And I was
curious as to your what your thoughts were about that.
Connor Stallion's out here in the public establishing himself as
the moral conscience of youth football.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Okay, so first and foremost, now I want to read it.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Well, if you got a half hour of.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
Forty five, all right, make sure you tag me in
this because I am going to read it. Because here's
the thing that I will say. You've watched the movie,
catch me if you can, right of course. Yeah, And
(21:19):
what happened at the very end of the movie. And
what is that man doing at least until up until recently.
I don't know what he's doing the last five years,
but up at least until bit before COVID. What was
he doing.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Making sure that you catch the other Frank abocnally's before
they turn into Frank abognally.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
Yep. So if you understand, like and this happens all
the time, hackers get caught, criminals get caught, and then
they end up working for the government to catch the
criminals because they're so damn good at it that they
know where the problems are. I believe that Connor Stylee
is a freaking genius. Bro. I think believe that he's
(22:03):
a genius, a forward thinker, and I would hire him
on my college football team if I felt like I
could trust him. You see what I'm saying, Because if
Connor Stallions is in with you, he's the I'm gonna
do whatever it takes to get it. But we got
a real yeah in Connor. We got a real yeah.
(22:23):
Because I do think that he probably has some I
would be interested to hear his thoughts on recruiting his
data on it, because I do believe that he has
put significant time interest. I believe that is his research skills.
I believe are his research skills and his relentlessness about
(22:46):
them are probably some of the highest around. So but
Is he a cheat too, Yes, so I definitely do
believe that he probably in the midst of this, has
something spectacularly good to say, even if it's not. You know,
(23:08):
if you said it's ten thousand characters, if like, there
could be four thousand characters of gold, and then you
might have to throw six thousand characters out. It's like
anybody else who is you know, like Elon Musk. He
does some good things and some of it you gotta
throw out in the trash. Kanye has done some really
(23:30):
good things and has some great ideas, but he also
has some trash ass ideas too, and you just and
you got to be able to sort through it. And
I say a quote, don't throw out a message because
you don't like the messenger. Because even the broken clock
(23:51):
is right twice a day.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
That's true. That's true. I guess the next thing I
have for you is general managers. In college football, we're
getting to the point where most teams have one. Some
don't call it a general manager, but most teams are
(24:18):
positioning themselves to have somebody in charge of football. Nebraska
is hiring the new England Patriots director of Pro personnel,
Patrick Stewart, and The big one is University of Oklahoma
(24:40):
is hiring Jim Naggy, Yes, head of the Recis Bowl,
to takeover at Oklahoma. Now, that's a big name. That's
a popular name because he's good at marketing himself. He's
a fantastic interview and he did a really really good
job making the Senior Bowl. Uh, not like a side
(25:02):
event of the whole draft process. It's like a feature now. Yeah,
and so I guess my ask of you is you
see all these names, some of them are are you know,
very familiar. SMU has j R. Sandlin, you know who's
been around in a million different roles. University of North
(25:26):
Carolina has Michael Lombardi and they're paying in one point
five million annually to do that job. You know, Now
you have, you have Jim Naggy. Moving on, you're getting
NFL player personnel people coming into college. Uh. And then
I think you kind of have even like Ron Rivera
in a role kind of like that with with Cal
(25:49):
You're getting big, big names involved in in being a
college football general manager. A couple of things. If you're
hiring a general manager for your program, what kind of
person are you looking to? A numbers guy? A fundraiser,
a talent scout, somebody who's personal like used car salesman.
In the non derogatory way, what are your most important
(26:11):
characteristics of somebody you'd be trying to hire into this role.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
It depends on my head coach, okay, because on one hand,
if I got to pay my general manager one point
five million dollars, like I mean, that's taken away some
of the duties that the head coach was doing. Okay,
if we're really being honest. So this is a new
era and a new day. So let's say that I
(26:39):
have a head coach like Kirby smart, right, right, I
want my general manager to So Georgia has already whatever
Kirby has in place already in terms of their processes
for scouting, their processes for recruiting and understanding like talent
(27:00):
an evaluation. They're clearly doing a great job of that
at Georgia, right yeah, Okay, So their general manager is
probably going to be the guy that is going to
be a bean counter on some on some level, like
his job is to manage the salary cap. His job
is to understand how much they can pay players and
(27:22):
understand the business of the football and too, that way
then be able to present this information to the head
coach for the head coach to then make the choices.
So because I do think that the that a guy
like Kirby, he's focused on coaching the coaches and that
(27:47):
THEX like you don't need help x's and o's, you
don't need help scouting. So I think for Georgia that
that the ask is a little bit different, right if
you will that that makes.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
Sense, It makes sense that it would be conditional. Yeah,
so you take a school like Stanford, right, Stanford is Andrew, Look,
that's a unique dude.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
He's got to figure out how to make Stanford cool,
Like he's got to figure out how to market Stanford
not as a not as a I mean, everybody understands
what Stanford is as an academic institution. But this era
of players doesn't relate to the David Shaw era, Like
(28:32):
it doesn't feel as like that it was so short
between Jim Harbaugh and David Shaw that it didn't you
know that it didn't stick with people. And so like
you need to make Stanford what Notre Dame is in
(28:53):
football prestige, and I know that that Stanford stands above
Notre Dame on the actandemic prestige level. However, though, too
Stanford has to buy in like if like Stanford has
to want to win in football, and that doesn't mean
that you have to relax all of your academic standards,
(29:15):
but you do have to be a little more kind
when it comes to getting good players in because there
are plenty of good players who can do your work
and everything else. And then the second thing that Stanford
has to do is they got to let people in
grad school because you're not gonna cause you can't keep
your fifth year seniors after they graduate because of the
(29:36):
stance of the school. And then the players have to
stay on campus, or at least had to, and then
they're having to move like they're put in the same
lottery for housing that the rest of the students are.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
So like, so, what do you think that somebody like
him is the right move? Because having a scout at
Stanford doesn't make sense. No, no, because you could scout
people all day. They're not qualified to come to your school.
It doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
Yeah, So I So for for Andrew Luck, he's got
to be the liaison between football and the university. He's
the guy that's probably built up enough cachet to be
able to go to the administration and be like, here
are the things that we need if you want to
win at football, we need these things, and he may
(30:33):
be the guy to be able to get it. So
I think that, and then he's got to then figure
out the marketing plan for Stanford football to make kids yo,
I want to go to Stanford. I want to go
to Stanford. Like, you got to make it cool. It's
not even cool to their fans. Their stadium is empty
(30:54):
every damn time. So like his job is going to
be community outreach, Like, like, you gotta make Stanford what
USC is in terms of USC has so many fans
now now granted we have talked about the passion and
all of that stuff, but they have a ton of fans.
(31:15):
There are more people running around southern California with USC
tattoos that have never been to USC. And that's what
you got to make Stanford into to where like people
want to like that this is the school of the community,
even though nobody can get in there.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
A big part of the appeal of Stanford is that
it's not for everybody, right, Like that exclusivity is the
same thing that keeps the nightclubs lights on.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
In USC is exclusive except to rich kids, and and
and academically and academically prowess to people.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
Yeah, but you look at the neighborhood USC's in versus
the neighborhood that Stanford's in, and there.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
Are people around here got some rough parts.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Man, All right, well what I buy? We went off topic,
But I will say this. The NFL or the NCAA
GM thing is fascinating to me because you can have
so many different people with so many different skill sets
in this role. And and like you said, sometimes it's
just the right person for the right coach that matters.
But you have a guy like Jim Naggy go to Oklahoma,
(32:20):
and the difference that they're hoping he makes is instead
of inviting seniors to come to the Reces Bowl, he's
inviting transfer portal players to come to Oklahoma, the highest
level transfer portal that that he's able to identify vanity.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
I don't even think that that's what you want from
Jim Naggy at Oklahoma.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
And don't hire it.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
No no, no, no, oh no no no. I could not rap.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
I could not contact Huh. He's got a lot of
media contact.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, but that's not what I want.
If I'm Brent Vinables, what I want from Jim Naggy,
which I think that this is a fantastic hire. Yes,
I do believe that there's transfer portal implications to it,
But the overarching thing is that what is Jim Naggy
(33:11):
good at? Think about that, What is he actually good at.
I think he's good at, well, sorry, great at. I
think he's great at two things. Number one, talent evaluation. Yeah,
so high school, college transferred portal evaluations. He should be
(33:33):
the best in the country and one of the best
in the country at it. Okay, but it's hard.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
To jump into high school without having done it at all.
And that's the difference between him and Barton Simmons at Vanderbilt.
Barton Simmons came from what like two four seven or whatever. Yeah,
he was like one of their main guys and he
went to Vanderbilt. I think it's harder for somebody who's
looking at guys to say are you NFL ready to
then say are you college ready than it is for
(33:59):
somebody who understand and is projecting NFL talent from the
high school level. So I think there it will be
a little bit of an adjustment if he's trying to
focus on high school kids so much deeper pool to
swim it.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
Yeah, so I think that you want him for his recruiting.
I'm sorry for his Yeah, for his recruiting evaluations, all
of that stuff. And then then the second thing is
what you mentioned what he did for the Senior Bowl
in terms of the marketing of the Senior Bowl, making
the Senior Bowl cool, making people, making it feel exclusive,
(34:33):
making it feel head and shoulders above the other all
Star games. I believe that that if he can translate
that energy into the Oklahoma brand by doing those two things,
it's a home run higher.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
Yeah, I just I love I love the diversity of
all of it. You got a guy like Reggie Calhoun
junior at Colorado. That's a money man, yep, that's a
connections man like that's somebody who represents himself and who
he's bringing with him very well to corporations and partners.
(35:17):
And yeah, I mean, it's it's just gonna it's gonna
take all kinds. It's just as people make these hires.
There's people who are very strong on the administrative side
that that have these roles. There are people who have
media connects, there's people who are scouts, there's people who
are money people, and then there's some people who are
just hiring alumni to go out and do kind of
(35:37):
Who is the usc A D that was? Was it
Lynn Swan?
Speaker 1 (35:44):
Yes? Yes, yes, yes, yes yes.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
And there's people who are in that role as well.
I'm just fascinated by the whole thing. Last thing up today,
Last thing up today. Did you hear what Herbie Smart
said about Johnny Manziel.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
No, I heard something about that there that something happened.
I just don't know what. So so from so I
heard Johnny Manziel caught astray.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
Yes, okay, So Kirby Smart was I don't know who
he was speaking to, but he wash he was at
a coaching clinic and he was saying, you know, four
college quarterbacks popped up on a screen, Bryce Young, Joe Burrow,
(36:38):
Johnny Manzel, and Cam Newton, and he asked the crowd
what each quarterback had in common. Somebody yells out Heisman,
and Kirby Smart says, good answer, and then someone else
says champion, and Kirby Smart said champions. He ain't no champion,
champion of what, champion of fireball.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
Champion of fireball brought us dastardly. That is, he is
out of pocket, Kirby. Kirby, you need to stop, bro,
you are out of pocket for that. That that's too far.
He okay, So he was well within his right to
be like champion, champion of what. That's where he should
have stopped. Champion period period. He was like champion of fireball.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Damn. I would say a couple of things about that.
Number one, Stephen A. Smith comes to mind. You didn't
have to say it. You're not wrong, but you have
to go there.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
Yeah, you're not wrong.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
The champion of fireball.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
Yes, yes, he was the champion of of of of
coke lines in the bathroom. Maybe maybe I don't know,
but actually no, you know you you know what, guys,
I didn't need to say that. I just did what
Kirby Smart did. I'm sorry, Johnny, I should have did that.
That that was too low, low hanging fruit. I'm better
than that. I'm better than that. You didn't deserve that.
(38:12):
You out here on your press tour, you're cleaning up,
doing all the things, hopefully right. So I want you
to win Johnny. So I'm strike that from the record,
Johnny Manziel has a pretty good sense of humor.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
And I what would you do if you were him
and you heard that? Mm hmmm.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
When Johnny Manziel was a school what Kirby was the
DC at Alabama?
Speaker 2 (38:37):
Right? Yeah? I think so, yeah, I'll be like, well,
would you pose on Instagram with a with a bottle?
Speaker 1 (38:45):
No? No, no, no, no? Held up because I'm in recovery.
So we don't play these games.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
Recover, Johnny Manzel and recovery. Now, I believe so he
spent that whole documentary drinking beers saying he didn't need to.
Speaker 1 (38:59):
Be really, yeah, you don't remember.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
The the Johnny Manziel documentary.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
You just I thought he said that. Maybe I made
that up in my own mind, but I thought that
he was, you know, clean.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
Now, I just projected that on Tim. I don't think.
I think he's just living life in Scottsdale. But maybe
I'm wrong. Maybe I'm wrong. Yeah, I could be wrong.
I could be wrong. I know he I mean he
went to rehab like ten years ago.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
I thought he talked to him about that and how
he was living with his parents and trying to you know,
that's just one day at a time. That sounds like
sober living, you know, to me, I could be true.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
Okay, I found an article from Oh this is from
twenty sixteen, Johnny Manziel says he's going completely sober. Well
that didn't happen, No, I don't. I think he's just
living his life. Man. Well Kirby, Yeah, Kirby maybe needs to.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
Yeah, yeah, man, I just don't. Like, I'm just not
a fan of taking shots at people when they have,
you know, have had substance abuse issues, just because, I mean.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
Especially because of some of the stuff that's happened in
his program recently, Like, yeah, you definitely want to take
the plank caddy rye before you go trying to get
the back out of somebody else's Yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
Yeah, but I may post to Steve Smith meme though.
See it's different.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
Right on. Man. Well, that's that's it. That's new. That's
news since you since you've been gone, not much more
people arguing about scheduling. That's a big one. Texas patting
themselves on the back for having having tough non con
schedules even though they got San Jose State and stuff
(41:06):
like that.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
I like reward, yeah, reward. Tough scheduling, and we'll talk
more about all of this stuff next week. You guys,
keep it locked. I'm George Reiser. He's Ralph Ampson College
Football Apostles interviews coming up soon. Peace out, catch you later.
Host
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