Coaches Lying, QBs Shopping & Week 13 CHAOS in College Football

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Speaker 1 (00:10):
College Football Apostles, Week thirteen. We are excited to be here.
We're gonna give you some game picks and previews and
talk about all that and of course the biggest things
in college football this week. James Franklin now has a
new job. People are wanting and complaining about the college
football playoff. Ralph is turned in to get off my

(00:33):
long guy. Nicole Arback has stirred up some dirt. We
got college football quarterbacks testing. The transfer portal is Sam
Levitt going. Fans are mad. They want to know the truth,
So we got to bring you the truth. And you, guys,
make sure that you like, subscribe, get notifications, tell a

(00:55):
friend about the Unafraid Show. Ralph. This is our first
show at twenty five thousand subscribers. Twenty five thousand. That's
more not just the city, but the world, Craig.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
That's more people in the county where I'm from.

Speaker 1 (01:13):
The whole county two thousand, five hundred twenty five thousand
and thirty nine at this moment.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
That is like more more people than the entire county
where I come from. Uh, and it's okay to misspeak
on numbers. I don't know if you saw your your boy.
Stephen A said that Pardon the Interruption has been the
highest rated show on ESPN for the last twenty decades.

Speaker 1 (01:38):
Yes, twenty decades. I saw it. I was like, that's
that's two hundred years.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
I was just imagining Mike Wilbon in like a powdered wig.
Oh my god, right Sortgeiser is in DC, right, Like, yeah,
I couldn't could happen?

Speaker 1 (02:00):
Yeah, for sure. So let's start today as we always
start best thing from last week, and for me, I'll
start out first is I was so happy to be
like I told you so. I told you so. I

(02:20):
told everybody Oklahoma was gonna beat Alabama and that Georgia
was going to scull drug Texas. Skull drag Texas. Those
were two of the easiest games to pick of the
entire year. Ralph, I am, and we're getting good, we're

(02:44):
getting upsets. We're starting to get to that time where
you know, crazy results start to happen. I'm just hoping
that my Ducks are not part of the crazy results. Like, like,
my heart can't take it. And that's honestly, the thing
that may college football so amazing is one minute you

(03:10):
could never feel more alive and then the next minute
you want to die. Is that?

Speaker 2 (03:19):
Yeah, that's it. You described all of college football. I
do a lot of laughing as well. Just college football
is the funniest sport in the entire world, as the
funniest people in the entire world doing the absolute funniest things,
and if it doesn't affect me, I usually have the
ability to laugh at sometimes, though sometimes the thing other

(03:41):
people are laughing at is the thing that's making me cry.
I got a weird one from last weekend, a really
weird one. It won't surprise you because you know me.
But one of the things I've been doing for you
for Unafraid Show is monitoring some of these lower level
players that could be our next big time SEC college
running back, wide receiver, quarterback.

Speaker 1 (04:01):
You know, stuff like that drops two Yeah, that video
drops tomorrow morning.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
So two of the players that we have been collectively
monitoring at the FCS level went head to head in
a matchup of a team that was three and seven
against one that was five and five, and it was delightful.

Speaker 1 (04:22):
It was the most fun I've had.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
I got to watch Central Arkansas play at Southern Utah
last week, and there's two running backs there's a guy,
a kid named Landon Chambers at a Texas who plays
for Central Arkansas who's on a streak of like eight
straight one hundred yard games, which at any level as
a running back at the collegiate level is very eye opening.

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And then Southern Utah has a running back named Joshua
Die who I actually covered at the high school level
for you know what I do in my other job.
Joshua Died a kid who went to UTEP and sat
on the bench, did nothing. Then he dropped down a level.
So I got to watch these two guys go head
to head because I believe that they'll both probably be

(05:06):
candidates to level up, get some get some house money
behind their name, and find a nice spot to make
a contribution at a higher level. And so it's land
In Chambers against Joshua Die and they combined for like
three hundred yards rushing in five touchdowns. Those everything that
I kind of hoped it would be. And then Joshua Die,

(05:27):
at this point, I think leads the entire country in
rushing yards and rushing touchdown. He's twenty five rushing touchdowns
and he's got this is my favorite stat. He left
UTEP because he was rotten on the bench. He's got
seven hundred more rushing yards by himself than utep has

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as a team right now.

Speaker 1 (05:51):
So they might want him back. Somebody might want him.

Speaker 2 (05:54):
But shout out to land and streamers, Joshua Die, make
sure to keep your keep your eyes peeled for the
video that's dropping on Unafraid Show twelve offensive players that
we think could level up get paid.

Speaker 1 (06:06):
That is exciting. That is exciting. And touchdowns come at
a premium. So in the FBS, the the leader in touchdowns,
just so you understand how many twenty five is, Keiwan
Lacey is leading by three touchdowns and he's got nineteen.
And then the running back for North Texas, Caleb Hawkins
has sixteen.

Speaker 2 (06:28):
And Caleb Hawkins is on our list as well, six
to two hundred at North Texas and probably feel like
maybe he's gonna be playing somewhere a little bigger next year.

Speaker 1 (06:40):
Man, sorry for it, all right. The next thing that
we got to talk about, Oh oh sorry, did you
give your list? I mean the thing you were from
last week?

Speaker 2 (06:56):
Yeah, it was Southern believe it or not, Southern Utah
at Central Artista.

Speaker 1 (07:00):
There we go, all right, next thing, up, So Arizona
State fans got a little chippy because a report came
out from Pete and Nakos that and this is the
second quarterback family he's made upset Nico I Maliava last year.

(07:20):
This year it is the sam Levitt family who is
upset at Pete Nikos's reporting last year? Were there any
lies told by by by Pete when it came to
Nica Nico in terms of that he didn't show up
and that he was hopping into portal and all of.

Speaker 2 (07:40):
That, it went the way Pete Nick Nako said, I'm
sure that there's a dispute over if it happened the
way he said it happened.

Speaker 1 (07:51):
But with the end result.

Speaker 2 (07:52):
Ends up being the end result, people don't get too
hung up on the details. I think you've provided a
lot of context for what the family reasoning might have
been for leaving. Yeah, but at the end of the day,
they still met with the team, wanted more help, maybe
more resources, and decided to go. And that's the gist

(08:15):
of what Nako said was happening.

Speaker 1 (08:17):
Yeah, and then he actually I wonder if he's gonna
hop back into Portal.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
Well, he's gonna he he and every quarterback in the country,
I feel like have that option everybody's on really a
year to.

Speaker 1 (08:30):
Year Yeah, and I just don't love him back in
the portal. But also he's gonna get a new head coach,
so who knows, which is probably going to be Chesney
from which I think is a big time. He's at
James James Madison.

Speaker 2 (08:48):
Right now, right yeah, And I think Alonzo barrett Is
is quarterback for them this year and not even fully healthy.
And he looked like a star. So that I mean,
if you're Nico, you you got to entertain what you
might look like in that offense.

Speaker 1 (09:03):
Yeah, yeah, for sure. And I think that that's, you know, noteworthy.
And so what's going on in college football? So let's
address this Sam Levit thing. So Nakos and on three
essentially said that they didn't that what that he it
was doubtful that he would be back.

Speaker 2 (09:24):
That his camp is shopping him to other teams quote
at a high level unquote, and that he was quote
doubtful to return unquote. I think those are the two
most important things. He's being shopped by his camp and
they believe he is doubtful to return to Arizona State.
The protest from his brother.

Speaker 1 (09:44):
Who is his representative.

Speaker 2 (09:45):
His brother down who played six years in the NFL,
started at EYU and finished at Utah State.

Speaker 1 (09:50):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (09:51):
He posted a text message saying that he told Pete Nacos,
why would you report? That that's not where things are
at right now? And that Pete Nakos powered through. So
that's created some conflict between the Arizona State fan base
and on three, who I used to work for briefly.

Speaker 1 (10:08):
So let's examine what was said in those texts, because
his brother didn't say that it wasn't true. He said
that's not where we're at right now. In terms of
being doubtful, maybe, but the fact that he's being shopped
around this is not This shouldn't be nefarious, nor should

(10:31):
it feel, you know, outside of what the norm is,
because these contracts are not public, so players don't have
an idea of what their worth is. Okay, So let's

(10:52):
say that you are Sam Levitt. I don't know what
his exact number is that Arizona State, so I'm going
to use one that I know for sure from another
team that is pretty comparable. Okay. Let's say his number
is one point three million. Okay, Okay, if you're Sam Levitt,

(11:15):
there is reason for you to feel like that that
considering how many other players that you believe are being
paid about one point three million and that oh oh oh.
And I also found out that the Darien Mensa deal
that it is technically if it's worth up to four

(11:36):
million dollars a year, okay, it's two and a half
and two and a half essentially, like it's two years
five million, but with it when the Heisman National Championship
go to the playoffs all of that stuff, like it
can get up to eight million dollars. But it's two
and a half and two and a half. And Carson
Beck's not making six He's somewhere in the neighborhood of

(11:57):
four million dollars in the neighborhood somewhere between three and
four million dollars. So if you know that that's the
case and you're Sam Levin, isn't it responsible to see
what the market is and to see what your market

(12:18):
and what you're worth. Is to see if somebody else says,
if there are multiple places that are like, yo, we
will pay you three million dollars, and you're like, okay, cool, hey, yo,
Arizona state, since let's talk about this. Three million dollars
is what I'm worth on the open market, and they say,

(12:40):
all right, we can't get you to three because the
way our pockets is set up. We'll get you to
two and a half. He may be willing to like players,
And I'm not talking about Sam in particular. I'm saying
I'm just using him as an example. A player may say,
I like my head coach, I like the offense they

(13:00):
built me to this point. They believe in me. I'm
not leaving over half million dollars because I gotta move.
It's not comfortable, like it's a lot of stuff I
gotta deal with. You know, is that worth a half
million dollars to me? So you're gonna have a lot
of players who are willing to stay where they are
at a little bit of a discount. Now, this is

(13:22):
not what this from what I've asked about, From what
i'm this doesn't feel like where we are with Sam
Levit bro that it's not a leverage play. Yeah, I
thought initially that it was a leverage play, but after
sniffing around on things, it doesn't necessarily like I'm unsure

(13:44):
and it's unclear about whether it's a leverage play, and
also Arizona State seems like they're making contingency plans.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
Yeah, here's my thing with the whole Sam Levitt thing
because it's a team that I root for and host
Wednesday night spaces with other ASU fans talking ball, went
to the Peach Bowl last year and enjoyed his performance.
Sam Levitt is a dude who I think, by the
time he got to ASU is probably his sixth school

(14:19):
in six years. His dad was a linebacker at BYU
at a very high level. In fact, the first BYU
win over a top ten team at home in thirty
three years happened in twenty twenty three when they beat Baylor,

(14:39):
who eventually finished six and seven, But they did it.
They beat a top ten team at home. It is
the first time doing it since nineteen ninety when Jared Levitt,
Sam's father was a linebacker at BYU and they beat
Miami at home, which could bring this whole thing full
circle if Miami is the ultimate destination. But to say
something like that, like oh, the the guy who was

(15:00):
playing for us the last time we beat a legitimate
top ten team that like went through the season being
very good at home. You know, his son kind of
spurned BYU, and also his brother spurned BYU and transferred out.
And also the dad doesn't necessarily have a great relationship
with BYU right now. So I look at a whole

(15:21):
family who has chosen to actually walk away from legacy
for the sake of family. And you're a quarterback, dad,
And I've got sons, Like I love Arizona State, but
I've had to entertain my oldest talking about going to
University of Washington for the last nine years, and I
can't just tell him to shut up. And know, I
got like, if he wants to chase a dream, I

(15:42):
gotta let him chase a dream. And if if somebody
comes along and says, like, oh, you're not a true
sun devil because of that, well then you know, you
can like the curve, yeah, like as aggressive as possible.
I don't care what you think, and you can take
this maroon and gold and shove it.

Speaker 3 (15:57):
Like.

Speaker 2 (15:57):
So I understand that from as a father, But we're
talking about a family that has walked away from legacy before,
multiple generations that have walked away from legacy before for
the benefit of family. So it does not surprise me
that they would entertain the idea of leaving ASU, even
though ASU is an enormous part of their legacy. And

(16:17):
there actually is a monetary value that people don't ever consider.
And George, you understand this better than anyone, you know,
going back to get your degree at Oregon all those
years later. There is a monetary value associated with your
affiliation with a program When people say, make a forty
year decision, not a four year decision. That's what they
were referring to. Yes, was being part of that network

(16:38):
this entire time. I don't think it's the wisest thing
in the world to be shopping. There's also and I
got a couple of messages about this earlier today from
people who would know there's a way to go about this,
that it feels like the Levitt family has gone outside
the bounds of how you actually kick the tires. It's
usually you let teams approach you. You don't sick to

(17:00):
everybody else. I'm available to the highest bidder, which is
what made the athletic and on three.

Speaker 1 (17:09):
Like yeah, their leg out on the curb like a yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:14):
And because what is the point of even reporting this?
But then you look at the fact that the athletics story,
which contains a denial from Sam Lead's father that they
just powered through. The athletic story includes what they say
is program sources, and it makes it sound like they
talked to Asu. They also paint him and confirm him
as being doubtful to return, even though they included denial

(17:35):
from his father, and the athletic story has four authors
George four people putting their neck on the line in
The New York Times to report that Sam Levitt is
doubtful to come back. Would four people put their neck
on the line doing that after the on three had
Pete Nakos and Steve Wilfong. So six people report two

(17:57):
separate stories, both of which contain a denial from the
person closest to Sam.

Speaker 1 (18:04):
Levit like it's it's like that uh that uh that
Willie Taggart. Actually you know, you know what, I'm gonna
get that for you. I'm gonna get that for it.

Speaker 2 (18:17):
And what's interesting is like, so they power through these denials.
Six reporters put their name to something that would actually,
you know, cost them their credibility. Otherwise it makes you
think they saw or know something that has not been.

Speaker 1 (18:30):
Put out there.

Speaker 2 (18:31):
And I'm a reasonable person who wants Sam Levitt to
come back and is ready to bite Pete Nacos's head
off when he's wrong. I'm ready to do it, but
at this point I am choosing based on what I
know to believe the reporting it is respon. I think
it's a responsible thing to do to know your worth.
I think Sam Levitt's camp has gone outside the bounds

(18:52):
of what is It's hard to say traditional because we're
in a brand new era, but they did this, They
created this situation, and I don't think it's fair to
Arizona State, who is still in pursuit of a Big
twelve title, to have their leader have his business out there,
which only would have happened if his family went about
this in a way that maybe wasn't as careful as.

Speaker 1 (19:13):
It could have been. Yep.

Speaker 3 (19:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:17):
And you saw all the comments of people saying this
is what's wrong with college football.

Speaker 1 (19:23):
Do you agree? Don't?

Speaker 2 (19:25):
I don't like look at this and say, oh, this
is a unique problem to college football. I think this
is the problem with having an experienced representation.

Speaker 1 (19:35):
Yep, there you go. And then also, they're not being
a salary cap and they're not being a place where
you can really understand your value already, because the only
way to understand your value is to be able to
access your value, and you can't access your value like this.

(20:01):
You can't like like in the in the way that
that you have to do it right now, let's put
let's put you in these shoes, uh, and what will
We won't get too specific, but you obviously are a
family member of a college quarterback.

Speaker 2 (20:20):
But let's let's make it a hypothetical. Let's call it
your brother. Your brother, you played what six years in
the NFL?

Speaker 1 (20:27):
Yep?

Speaker 2 (20:28):
Well wow, So to down leave it interesting? So you
played and you get a gig with CIA. The eventual
thing is like there's been projections of your brother possibly
being a first rounder. You also have NFL experience gives
you a unique ability to relate to players. You become
an affiliate, sort of agent go between. The company's goal
is to eventually make money off you, but you're actually

(20:52):
you know there's a benefit in it for you as well.
If this is the industry you want to stay in.
You got this relative, how would you you go about it?
It's the middle of the season, your relative, your brother
is not playing for the rest of the year and
you're looking around and trying to gauge would you be
more patient, Like what would you have done differently in

(21:15):
this situation?

Speaker 1 (21:20):
Obviously, if reporting is true, there's been a rift that's
been building for some point point in time, either. Sam
Levitt feels like that because here's the truth about the kid,
right about what people think about the kid is that
he's a little abrasive. Right, That's that's fair to say, right, yeah,

(21:47):
but like.

Speaker 2 (21:47):
Not in a in a can we weaponize this for
our benefit type of way, not in a cancerous way.

Speaker 1 (21:56):
If that makes yeah, correct that that if you focus it,
then it's it's it's a positive and so so he's
a little abrasive and so, but he's your guy, you
know what I mean, Like you helped build, Like you
believed in him, You helped build him. And it feels

(22:17):
like to me that that there has become a little
bit And it felt like it watching the games this
year because their offense wasn't quite as good this year.
It felt like watching somebody who was frustrated with the
people around him. Would you agree with that? I do. So.

(22:40):
Once people start to get frustrated with the people around them,
it is tough for them to see, like what's reality? Like,
is it them? Is it you could be better? Is
it just bad luck? Like it is hard to put
it in perspective. And then when you're looking at everybody
else like they're the problem and you ended up on

(23:01):
the operating table. Yes, it's easy to feel like that
they're the problem and I need to get somewhere else
instead of water my own grass.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
It's even easier for the people in your life to
feel that way. Yeah, that's the most common thing that
I've dealt with in fourteen years of dealing with parents
is I've talked to many a dad that has been saying, man,
he shouldn't be playing in front of it, in front
of it, in front of you, And they're like, well,
he shows up late, he does, Man, it don't matter.

Speaker 1 (23:34):
Man, he's a good kid. He'll work through it, Like
you gotta give him a chance.

Speaker 2 (23:39):
It's like yeah, or or even more common, they're getting
my son, my brother, they're getting my people killed. They're
getting my people killed out there.

Speaker 1 (23:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
Now, Sam Levitt, if you've ever watched him play, I
think he probably bears some responsibility for his physical health.
He is mad acts he's a little badass like he
I think he probably bears some responsibility for his physical condition.
But at the same time, like, yeah, the O line

(24:12):
does not look you know, and how many people have
transferred because they didn't like the O line or the
receivers and somebody else promised to get them better ones.
That's you know, all of this makes complete sense to me.
I just wish it wasn't happening.

Speaker 1 (24:27):
Okay, So if Sam Levitt does leave, where do you
think that he fits? Like? What school does he fit at?

Speaker 2 (24:42):
Gosh? I don't think he would go anywhere. I wouldn't
understand the point of leaving Arizona State unless you're going
to go to somewhere that is perceptively better and more talented.

Speaker 1 (24:56):
Yah.

Speaker 2 (24:56):
So that cuts it down to about twenty schools. Right,
which conference would you say prepares you best for the
for the NFL? Like, because that's the ultimate goal. That's
his family's goal is to see him eventually be like
the Steelers quarterback or something like that. So who best

(25:20):
prepares you? I think the ACC is a great quarterback conference.

Speaker 1 (25:23):
Yeah so, but because you because you get a chance
to play in some weather and.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
Yeah, I like in an ideal world if I was
Sam Levitt's family member and I could convince anybody to
take me. Anybody, Yeah, Clemson, Oh, because the money there,
But it's but do they want you? And and that's

(25:51):
you know, that's a dabbo thing, right. But if I
could completely separate from the fact that, as an Arizona
State fan, I want Sam Levitt back in maroon gold,
I look and say, okay, what's a quarterback development conference
where you're probably not going to get killed on the
field by opposing defenses and you have a track record
of actually sending guys to the NFL. Kate Klebnick, say

(26:14):
what you want about him, he's going to the NFL. Yes,
that's going to make three straight quarterbacks that played their
final year of eligibility at Clemson that that go on
to have NFL careers. That would be where I go.
If it's just the most money in the best o line,
then yeah, you've got to kick the tires on Miami,
and they're going to kick the tires on everybody. Are

(26:36):
you better than mess to maker? Are you better than
the monster that's going to get have everybody bidding on him?
Out of old dominion? There's rumors right now, George, that
that that that maybe Oregon would want him if if
Dante Moore decided to go to the league, But who's
going to take him knowing he's not going to play
in the spring?

Speaker 1 (26:58):
See, now that is a old another can can of worms,
because you got that going on, And then that's kind
of the next level of this convert conversation is that
forget Sam sam Levitt, Let's look at the other places
that are gonna need quarterbacks. Okay, if you're Florida, are

(27:20):
you bringing back dj Lagway's your guaranteed starter or do
you let him go or do you, you know, bring
him back in a quarterback competition. He doesn't feel like
the kind of kid that's gonna be up for being
in a quarterback competition. To me, so Florida's gonna need

(27:41):
a court quarterback. I can't hear you, Ralph Lsu they're
gonna need a quarterback because it doesn't feel like that
they're sold on Michael van van Buren like he may
be the guy, but I think at best they end
up in a quarterback competition. You got Tennessee is going

(28:05):
to be in the market for a quarterback. I know
that they got the fabian Faison Brandon coming in, but
you can't depend on a true freshman to be your
starter in the Oklahoma I'm sorry, old miss. They're gonna
need a quarterback. Yeah, Indiana's gonna need a quarterback. Uh,

(28:32):
there's a Miami needs. Miami is gonna need a quarterback.
Vanderbilt might be able to flip Jared Curtis because he
might be able to start. Illinois gets a quarterback. Hell,
Memphis needs a quarterback. Uh, Clemson, Louisville, Florida State, Georgia,

(28:55):
you're forgetting.

Speaker 2 (28:56):
You're forgetting a college football playoff team that has a
little bit of money and is going to be and
sounds like they're going to need a quarterback as well.

Speaker 1 (29:07):
Mm hmmm. Oh Texas Tech ari Arizona and then and
then look at look at Texas Tech. They like the kid,
what's his name? The backup the freshman do when it's
hurt right now? Will Hammon? Yeah, they love Will Hammond.

(29:30):
He is out for the He is out until at
least fall camp, and he might even be limited in
fall camp. So what do you do if you're Texas Tech? Like,
we love the kid, but our starter won't be available
during spring ball, so we can't fully no, no, and

(29:51):
then what happens if he has a setback for a month? Yeah,
then what and then he's limited the misses Paul Camp
and we're supposed to have a good season. No, absolutely
not really, So this is gonna be real tricky for
a lot of people. I think.

Speaker 2 (30:14):
I think there are a lot of good quarterbacks out there.
There's one in the state of Arizona. At NAU. You
saw him play, Ty Pennington. Not the home improvement type Pennington,
the quarterback type. Pennington came from Pittsburgh State. He's already
leveled up once and he looks like he's got elite
pocket presence. You know, there's gonna be options people. I
think people are gonna want to play for Cannon Dillingham.

(30:34):
People are also gonna want to play for money, so
anybody who has resources.

Speaker 1 (30:38):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (30:38):
I'm not super worried about Arizona State. I wish this
wasn't happening. It is indicative of kind of like the
overall state of things, and I think a lot of
people are gonna be mad. But the first thing that's
gonna happen after you get mad is you're gonna try
to steal somebody else's quarterback. You're gonna forget about that anger,
and then you're gonna make somebody else feel that way.
So I have best of luck to everybody involved. I

(31:01):
do hope the kid gets paid, and I hope that
he gets healthy, and I hope that he ends up
in the best situation for him. But I think this
is pretty sloppy the way that all this has gone down,
and his reputation is unnecessarily taking a hit with home

(31:22):
fans who entered the year believing that he'd be gone
in the NFL Draft anyway, so they weren't counting on
having him back. But they don't want to be given
the middle finger on the way out the door. Damn
the middle finger though, in season negotiations while you're still
in the hunt for the Big twelve championship is a
middle finger.

Speaker 1 (31:40):
Oh. Speaking of that, let's talk about what's going on
over there at Ole Miss oh Miss. Their head coach
Lane Kiffin. He is clearly in negotiations with other teams.
The Man family. His family went to Gainesville and then
to baton Rouge his what that's on? Rules? What family?

Speaker 4 (32:03):
No?

Speaker 2 (32:04):
He took his are you sure, that's how it's pronounced.

Speaker 1 (32:07):
Oh, it's his family. Family, Yes, family, he took his family.
He took his family. He took his family to Gainesville
and then he took his family baton ruse and it's
just crazy, man. That the way that old misses in

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the middle of a college football playoff hunt. They are
ten and one. All you gotta do is win the
egg Bowl and you are one hundred percent the college
football playoff. Just win the egg Ball, lose the egg Ball,
you might be out Lane Kippen is out here gallivanton,
his family out there, like you gotta be more discreet

(32:53):
about this. He's still tweeting old Miss fans like like
business as usual. If I were an LSU fan, I
would be about to the point where I'm like, bro,
I don't care if you stay or go, just just
I don't even care anymore. So all the goodwill that
he built up, he may have just just balled it

(33:18):
up and thrown it in the trash.

Speaker 2 (33:22):
You mean with old Ole Miss fans. Yes, I think
there's from an entertainment perspective, gas lighting is I don't know,
maybe some people get an enjoyment out of it, but
if it's ever like happened to you and yeah, I

(33:43):
mean you've got an Oregon helmet behind.

Speaker 1 (33:45):
You, so it has happened to you a couple of times.

Speaker 2 (33:50):
It's it's horrible, Like the only like gas lighting should
stop after you after you're a baby sitting in a
high chair and you got an adult plane got your nose,
that's the last time that it's really of any use
to you. Lane Kiffen is the most online coach in America.

Speaker 1 (34:08):
He is the.

Speaker 2 (34:09):
Most aware of what the temperature is and what people
are talking about in America. And we know this because
he participates in the talk. He loves to kick the
hornet's nest. He does it for the same reason that
Kevin Durant does. It get gets you a little adrenaline rush,
and like there's part of that that I respect, the
gamesmanship I respect, but the whole like who me like

(34:32):
that whole thing that he's like that is it?

Speaker 1 (34:37):
It's absurd.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
It's hard to buy he's playing it, I guess the
way that everybody has always played it in the past,
and he's played it in the past. But I, like
I told you before, George, if the entire goal is
Lane Kiffen to have the nation talk about Lane Kiffen
participating in this documentary, dragging out the fact that he's
flirting with all these different schools. Then let's let's actually

(35:00):
talk about Lane Kiffen. Let's talk about having the number
one rush defense in America in twenty twenty four and
you being an offensive guy and missing the college football playoff.
How you have the number one rush defense in America
and you're an offensive guru and at the end of
the day, your offense wasn't enough to get it done

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against Kentucky to the point where you had to complain
that the entire system was broken because it didn't include
little old you. We talk about how great it is
that he brought his family back together, brought them back
together from what.

Speaker 1 (35:40):
From himself.

Speaker 2 (35:44):
We want to talk about University of Tennessee coming to
terms and forgiving Lane Kiffen, forgiving him for what, for
what he did?

Speaker 1 (35:52):
Yeah, what we want to.

Speaker 2 (35:54):
Talk about the time he spent with Nick Saban, the
time he spent with Nick Saban, having Nick say even
saying do what say.

Speaker 1 (36:02):
That ith that he would fight, that he was willing
to fire Jimmy Sexton, I think, for for getting him
to hire that dude.

Speaker 2 (36:14):
I think that he is an incredible collector of talent,
and I think he is a good, very good coach,
top ten coach in the country. But this is what
you get with him. Yeah, constant weirdness, drama, all to
have people saying your name. And no one has ever
said Monty was a bad or inattentive father. So like

(36:38):
this desire for attention, who knows.

Speaker 1 (36:41):
Where it comes from. Yes, And it's funny because old
miss fans are like, oh yeah if uh yeah, he
keeps tweeting like like this, so so so everything is fine.
All right, let's go through because I've been through this
many many times. Okay, that'd be the last. There's many

(37:04):
many caught me off guard. Yes, so so let's let's
try this on for size. Okay, all right, let me
let me pull it up. I hope you can hear this,
Ralph when I when I pull it up. So here
is what Oregon coaches have sounded like in the past.
Who left.

Speaker 4 (37:26):
And fans keep wondering because there's never been definitive yes
or no from you, And so will you be the
coach here next year?

Speaker 5 (37:32):
He said out Why wouldn't that be I'm football coach.
I mean, you guys act like you're trying to get here.

Speaker 1 (37:38):
Hold on, God, God dag all right, hold on, hold on?
Why wouldn't I be? That sounds familiar. Hold On, I'm
gonna put it here. Hold on. So so it's not
in the thing.

Speaker 2 (37:50):
Uh, that sounded incredibly familiar.

Speaker 4 (37:56):
We keep asking and fans keep wondering because there's never
been definitive yes or no from you.

Speaker 1 (38:01):
So will you be the coach here next year? He
said that, why would that be?

Speaker 5 (38:05):
I'm football coach. I mean, you guys act me like
you're trying to get me out of here. So I
feel thought we're better than that. Why wouldn't that?

Speaker 1 (38:13):
Becky? With the Orgony and Mario.

Speaker 3 (38:15):
Much of the hours leading up to the game was
spent on reports regarding your future. Do you intend to
sign a contract extension of Oregon or will you accept
the Miami job they've offered?

Speaker 1 (38:24):
Yeah? I don't know what.

Speaker 3 (38:25):
And when you say someone's offered, I haven't talked to anybody.
So let's not create narratives. Okay, as we sit here
in this press conference, So Oregon is working on some
stuff for me, and that's what I have right now.
And that's the extent of that conversation that.

Speaker 1 (38:39):
Everybody else wants.

Speaker 6 (38:40):
That's because of what our players are, coaches, the support
that exists here in Oregon have created. I think I've
been really really clear here since day one. Everything I
want exists right here. I'm not going anywhere. There's zero
chance that I would be coaching somewhere else. I've got
unfinished business here. There's a lot that I want to
accomplish here at Oregon. My number one priority is being
elite here in Oregon.

Speaker 2 (39:02):
And so, Ralph, could you hear all those Oh yeah,
I almost didn't have to. I remember them. They're burned
into my brain.

Speaker 1 (39:13):
Why would not be? That's the greatest thing me, Like, honey, honey,
are you coming home tonight? Why would not come home?

Speaker 2 (39:30):
But yeah, put putting it back on everybody else, Like,
so answer the question. That's a question. They're asking you
a question as a media member they have are you
asking me? I'm asking you, Yeah, because you've never shown
a multi year level commitment to anything in your entire life, Lane,
and you have an entire fan base, blood, sweat, tears,

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resources wondering if you're going to be here next year,
not to mention players' families, do they matter to you?
Or does this little game matter more you? All you
do is answer a question with a question. You get
If somebody's bullshitting you.

Speaker 1 (40:11):
You get aggressive.

Speaker 2 (40:14):
That's the only And I appreciate the media members always
trying to find the best phrasing to try to get
somebody who's greased up like a pig to not be
able to wiggle out. But they walked into that press
conference greased up, ready to get out of anything. It's
okay as a media member at that point if they
ask you a question back to be like, oh so

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we're lying.

Speaker 1 (40:37):
Yeah, so we're lying right now. Because here here's the thing.
Chrystal Ball sat up there and said, what are you
a mean? Bruh? You had just flown down to Miami,
and yes, your mom was sick, but you was also
doing doing business down there. We can't sit here and

(40:58):
act like that that's not true, or that Willie Tagger
wasn't at Tyler Shuck's house taking taking phone calls from
Florida State, like stop it, bro it's and I understand
the precarious position it puts you in when you haven't
fully accepted it and they're still negotiating terms. You're kind
of want half in, one for in, one for out.

(41:22):
But an old missus case, what are you supposed to do?
Because if he leaves and then he went on Pat
McAfee's show, everything's fine. There's no ultimatum. There has to
be an ultimatum. Common sense tells you that because if
if Lane's leaving, what does old miss have to do?

(41:43):
Take care of old Miss? They got to replace him,
don't they want to do? Wait until everybody else has
their head coach first. Yeah, and and then you got
Alex Golish doing the same thing at us self. But
it's different because he's at us self. So people can
accept you waiting to figure out what's going on everywhere else,

(42:07):
to figure out where where you're gonna go. If you're
at us self, they can't accept that when you're at
a premier place, just make a decision and go with it.
It's it's it's frus it's got to be frustrating for him.
I would be highly frustrated.

Speaker 2 (42:27):
If he leaves on Miss. I'm gonna be mad for
the dumbest reason. I've already gone through this, and so
have you. You've been Kenny Dillingham's number one public defender.
We've already gone through this with Arkansas fans, Auburn fans,
LSU fans, and Florida fans, and if Lane Kiffin Lee's
we're gonna have to do it with Old Miss fans too.

Speaker 1 (42:47):
No, you cannot have k Dillingham right now. Maybe yes,
maybe right, but not today. Yes, not today. Today's not today.

Speaker 2 (43:01):
I've told I think I told you this privately. I
don't know if I said it on here, but like
it puts me in the weirdest position because obviously, like
you know, I watched Kenny Dillingham coach for a long time.
When you and I started this podcast, he was at
Florida State, and you know, you and I would have
conversations about him. Then he ended up at Oregon with
Dan Lanning and you got to know, you know, what
he's about and everything like that, and you've had the

(43:21):
ability to interview him a couple of times. In a
typical situation, I have no problem arguing online with somebody
who says something bad about Kenny Dillingham. But in the
last couple of months, I've had to watch people argue
online about whether Kenny Dillingham would be a good hire
or not. And so you'll have like an LSU fan

(43:42):
be like he's young and he hasn't done anything, and
like I want to in those situations, typically I would
want to interject and be like, actually, here's his resume,
and hey, here's how improbable it was. But in every
situation of anybody saying anything bad about Kenny dilling him,
I just gotta let it go. I gotta let people

(44:03):
believe in fact, like I gotta like amplify, I gotta
favorite it. I'm like my favorites have just been people
saying terrible things about.

Speaker 1 (44:12):
Kenny Dillingham in the last couple of weeks.

Speaker 2 (44:14):
Just be like, yeah, maybe you're right, maybe he can't
get it done in the SEC we should probably look
at John Sumraw.

Speaker 1 (44:23):
All right, speaking of things, let's get on to the
games this week, Ralph. So we have college football games
this week, and it is week thirteen. We are going
to be talking about the top games and what we
think about them and everything in between. This schedule is
a little bit weird. So ordinarily I do this on

(44:46):
Tuesdays and then you guys put it put it up,
and I mean and you guys watch it and everything else.
So we're doing things a little bit different this week,
in particular because some life events have happened. So let's
get to the biggest game of the entire week, Rouph,
we got USC versus Oregon. This is a game that

(45:11):
is in Eugene, Oregon. It is between these two teams
who are both really good. See look, you see what
I just did right right there. Just put it right
in between there so everybody can see twelve thirty in Eugene,
nine and one versus eight and two. USC is trying
to go to the college football playoff. Oregon is trying

(45:34):
to go to the college football playoffs. This spread has
been all over the place. It has been as high
as ten and a half. Think it's still sitting at
nine and a half. Now, where's what say you, Ralph?
I like Oregon.

Speaker 2 (45:55):
And one of the biggest reasons why is I am
not a d percent sure. Elijah Page is fully healthy
and he is somebody who monstrous size left tackle for USC.
He got banged up in that Iowa game. He's been
practicing in like giant double knee braces, and he is

(46:18):
one of the better pass protectors in college football.

Speaker 1 (46:21):
This year, But is is.

Speaker 2 (46:26):
He because they're gonna need to throw I don't, I don't.
I know that USC has had a renewed commitment to
running this year, and they've done a pretty good job.
They're down to their third string running back, but I
genuinely wonder if they have the type of commitment it
takes to be patient and try to run against this

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Oregon defense that is also very improved against the past.
So you kind of got to pick your poison. But
if Elijah Page isn't fully healthy and he's not optimal
as a as a pass blocker, then you're then I
think you're just in a little bit extra trouble. So
I liked Oregon anyway. The key factor for me is
USC maybe not being healthy on the offensive line, because

(47:09):
I think these USC wide receivers could probably do some
damage even in contested situations. But are we even gonna
be able to Is he gonna be able to get
gonna be able to get passes off?

Speaker 1 (47:21):
Yeah? I think this game is gonna come down to that.
But also about eight plays in the game because Mayaba
puts the ball in danger right, Like, there are some
throws where you're like, does he have a computer and
advocates in his in his head where the perfect arc
the ball fits, has enough time to catch it, gain control,

(47:43):
and then get a hit. But then you say, Okay,
that worked against Illinois, that worked against Iowa, but it
was tighter against Iowa. Oregon's secondary is the number one
in the country. Is that a fraction of a millisecond?
Is that now gone? You know what I mean? Where
that turns into a breakup or a pick. There's gonna

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be about eight plays. There's gonna be some third and
longs that USC will either get off the field or
won't get off the field. That's gonna be the difference
in this being a tightly contested game and a blowout
because USC is gonna have trouble stopping Oregon from running
the football. This game feels a lot like the Notre

(48:26):
Dame game to me, except the weather's gonna be better
and because it shouldn't be raining at all. Yeah, so
I think that that's gonna be a significant thing.

Speaker 2 (48:37):
Do you think this puts Notre Dame fans in the
weird position of having to root for USC?

Speaker 5 (48:46):
Damn?

Speaker 1 (48:49):
Possibly? Possibly because if USC wins, then that actually puts
Notre Dame in a position where they can't really jump
over Notre Dame like that kind of boxes. Note Notre
Dame in on the inside. Mm hmmm, because they got

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Stanford and somebody else left.

Speaker 2 (49:14):
I think this is a playoff game for USC. I
think this is this is the most important game. They've
had a lot of important games this season, but this
is the most important game that they've played in them.

Speaker 1 (49:27):
So this is the most important game in the program
in a long time. Like this is outside of the
Like you got to go back to the what the
twenty three Pac twelve Championship when they were playing against
Utah where they probably would have gone to the College
Football playoffs had they won, Like, this is the most
important game since then because that was the twenty two Yeah,

(49:50):
that was a twenty two to twenty three season, I think, Yeah,
I believe because that was Caleb Williams first season there. Yeah,
can we it was a twin three season?

Speaker 2 (50:02):
Can we get this graphic off the screen?

Speaker 1 (50:05):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (50:05):
Okay, I'm struggling with the words big ten next to
a important USC.

Speaker 1 (50:12):
Oh you're silly. I'm not enjoying myself right now. Bro.
I was like, okay, I'll get it off. I appreciate.

Speaker 2 (50:27):
It's just it's you know, it's fine if you if
you got an ex who has a photo of her
and her new husband up in their home, but it
doesn't need to be up in your home. I don't
like seeing the big ten next to those names when
this is an important November football game between the the

(50:47):
you know, the schools that Larry Scott killed off. But
it is, I mean, it is kind of a cool
testament to the fact that, like the Pac twelve is
not what you guys nationally thought it was. Yep, just
because we beat up on each other doesn't mean you
can do it.

Speaker 1 (51:03):
Exit one hundred percent. All right, So we both like
the Ducks in that game, all right? Next game up,
Missouri Oklahoma. Missouri has not beaten a like they've not
beaten the ranked team this year. They their losses are
to Alabama, Vanderbilt, and Texas A and M all respectable.

(51:27):
But their wins are against Mississippi in the in the
SEC Mississippi State. You noticed I didn't say Mississippi, Mississippi,
UH State, Auburn, South Carolina and that's it. Outside of that,
they got wins against Central Arkansas, your team, Ralph Kansas

(51:49):
Louisiana and yeah, and that's it. Oh and you mass
excuse me. Oklahoma is on the verge of a college
football playoff. Berth Brent Venables is off the hot seat.
John Mattier should be back for another year next year.

(52:12):
I'm gonna take Oklahoma in this game because their defense
is fantastic. Missouri's defense is pretty good as well. I
just don't believe that Missouri is gonna be able to
score enough points. That's the biggest issue for them because
their quarterbacks are hurt. You had Tommy Locke who started

(52:36):
the season I think that was who started the season right,
and he got one pass off and then was out
for the year. Bopah Bula came in, played pretty well.
He's out, and now they're starting Matt Zohlers, who's a
true freshman, and they have not been able to throw
the ball at a high level with him. He's only

(52:58):
completing fifty three percent of his is four touchdowns, one pick.
But they do have a mod Hardy who is I
think he's leading the nation in yards right now rushing.

Speaker 2 (53:09):
I did want to throw out I did tweet like
two weeks into the season, a mod Hardy is this
year's cam Skataboo. If somebody can perform running backs, not
a lot to it. If you have somebody who hits
the hole aggressively at any level and you could create
a whole for him at a higher level, they're gonna
be themselves and a mod hardy I think was at

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Louisiana last year and now he's leading the whole country
and rushing. But here's the deal. Oklahoma is one of
the nastiest run defenses in the entire country, and they
played better competition than a lot of the teams ahead
of them. They're currently fourth, giving up eighty two point
two yards a game. If you are one of the
best run defenses in America and that's all the other

(53:55):
team has, then I'm going to give the advantage to
that team, who is also playing at home Missouri. Missouri
is the James Franklin of the SEC. They are beating
up on everybody they should and every time they run
into somebody else that gives them an opportunity to prove
that that they're more than what they are. They don't win,

(54:18):
and it's been that way for years, and you know
you have the added distraction this year. Eli Drinkwitz being
talked about for any number of jobs. So I don't
think Oklahoma is dealing with any of those distractions. And
they get to you know, Demond, Yeah, demonic Williams. All
these nasty d linemen that are dominic. Did I call

(54:39):
him demonic?

Speaker 1 (54:40):
Whatever?

Speaker 2 (54:41):
He is demonic on that D line. He is demonic
on that D line. Eighty two rush yards allowed per game.

Speaker 1 (54:46):
Let's go with Oklahoma. Yeah, I'm going to Oklahoma as well.
I like them minus seven and a half. This feels
this feels like an easy pick. This feels like a
harder game against the spread, but for the money line,
this feels very easy. Oh Oklahoma, all right? The next
game that we got this coach. They should have taken

(55:12):
game day away from them last week when when he
came out and said, I don't care how much we
lose by they can beat us by one hundred points,
it doesn't it doesn't matter. Well, now you got Georgia
Tech versus Pitt. This game is a two and a

(55:33):
half point spread route because Georgia Tech finds a way
to like like, they find a way to make everything close.
And Georgia Tech is a two and a half point favorite.
They have slipped by Boston College, they have slipped by Colorado,
they have slipped by a Duke and Wake Forest, and

(56:00):
you're just like, bro, one of these games it's gonna
come back and bite you. It bit them an NC
State and it definitely can again against Pitt. But I
don't know if Pitt can turn it back on after
their coach turned it off last week.

Speaker 2 (56:20):
Ooh, that's interesting. That's that is an interesting approach that
you know, can you can you not actually have that
game affect you in in that way?

Speaker 1 (56:36):
Hmm? I wonder.

Speaker 2 (56:40):
Georgia Tech is not that good. They are winning by
the skin of their teeth every single week.

Speaker 1 (56:49):
Like the game they lost, Haynes King threw for over
four hundred yards and had over one hundred yards rushing
and I don't even think he had a turnover through
for like four touch touchdowns. It was.

Speaker 2 (57:02):
Yeah, Georgia Tech is not in the top one hundred
in past defense and they also can't stop the run
so so and Pitt offensively is impressive. Mason Heinschel, You know,
he didn't look good against Notre Dame, but the two
previous weeks three hundred and four yards, three touchdowns, four

(57:24):
hundred and twenty three yards and three touchdowns and Pitt linebackers,
which we've talked about. One of the reasons why you
thought Pitt would be a top four team in the
ACC going into this year was their linebacking corps as nasty.
They're also they've just been disgustingly good against the run.
Not a lot of people realize this Pit's a top
ten team in the country against the run. And so

(57:45):
you know, if I'll say this, if Georgia Tech wins
this game, we don't have to talk about the Heisman anymore. Yeah,
we don't have to talk about it like it's is
it the best player in America.

Speaker 1 (57:58):
That has the biggest effect not? Yeah, this is a
team with no defense, the team with no defense, and
a lot of people don't see it like that. And
I've talked about Julians saying, like the kid is really,
really good, but it is hard to really, like, you know,

(58:19):
equate his impact. So who do you have in this game?
Two and a half point favorite? Georgia Tech. I'm gonna take.
I'm gonna keep rhyme with Tech because I because I
want more ACC drama. But I mean, well, I sue
if Pitt wins. That's more ACC drama. So yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (58:37):
Would hammer Pitt, which is what would make a Georgia
Tech win that much more impressive because it really would
come down to one guy who doesn't even believe he's
the guy. Everything he does he kicks credit back to,
like my Lord and Savior Brent Key. Yeah, so like
he's the ultimate team humble, competitor, stat stuffer running quarterback.

(59:03):
He could throw. It's crazy. Georgia Tech terrible defense going
up against offense that can move the ball in a
top ten running defense. If Georgia Tech wins this game,
it'd be fine to me. People start casting votes for,
you know, maybe not the ACC quarterback they thought they'd
be casting votes for at the beginning of the year.
But I play the swapout game. Put anybody else in

(59:26):
that Georgia Tech situation, would they be ten and one?

Speaker 1 (59:29):
Yeah? All right, Next game up BYU Cincinnati. Oh, BYU fans,
here's your opportunity here, buddy, Stop all that crying. Stop
all the crying, because this is a situation where you
are a favorite, even though you are on the road.

(59:51):
Cincinnati is a two and a half point dog by US,
a two and a half point favorite BYU. You want
to be in the college football playoff, you want all
of this stuff, prove it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
I have a vested interest in a certain outcome. So
what bear Cats? Oh my god, here's gonna States still
in the running and Texas Tech isn't gonna lose. So
somebody's got to Uh. Plus big Brandon Soresby fan would
like to see him. He's had a couple of opportunities

(01:00:31):
to shine this year and didn't.

Speaker 4 (01:00:33):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
And he's he's he's smashed cupcakes. Though this is not
a cupcake. This is a very very good team.

Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
Yeah that b y U has looked a lot like
Georgia Tech this year. They've been playing through the rain
drops a little bit, like a lot of close games.
I do rankings.

Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
Eating Arizona will dominant. Yeah, that win over Arizona, I
mean that was what like twelve completions from bear Bachmeyer
in double overtime. Yeah, it felt like an Arizona loss
as much as anything else.

Speaker 1 (01:01:15):
Yep, exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:01:18):
They're okay, just okay against the pass right and they're
just okay against the run. They have been. They've won
the games in front of them. That's what's important. They
smash mouth with LJ. Martin and they don't give too
much to bear. But I am picking Cincinnati because I
need it to happen, putting all my energy behind it.

(01:01:39):
But I do think by you'd probably come out with
a win.

Speaker 1 (01:01:42):
Yeah, all right, all right, cool, Yeah, I got Actually
I'm going to the other way. I got s. I'm
taking Cincinnati in this in this game. I think that
this has all the potential to be an upset. I
think that this is a a very interesting situation. I

(01:02:07):
like it a lot though. I like it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:09):
So let's say, let's do a hypothetical. B WHYU loses, Okay,
but they still make the Big twelve Championship where they
get revenge against Tech. Do you think that's enough for
two Big twelve teams to be in the College Football playoffs? M?
Or do you think that eliminates Tech?

Speaker 1 (01:02:31):
Yeah? I well, okay, it depends. Wait wait, repeat that
scenario to me again.

Speaker 2 (01:02:40):
So BYU loses, they lose to Cincinnati, However, they still
lay in the spot in the Big Twelve Championship.

Speaker 1 (01:02:48):
Okay, So they.

Speaker 2 (01:02:51):
Win the Big twelve Championship against Texas Tech, which is
you and Big.

Speaker 1 (01:02:56):
Twelve te Yeah, yeah, I believe that Texas Tech. If
they beating people up, they're gonna end up in the
top four by the time that the conference championship games come.
And then because you have to have because depending on
what happens with Texas A and M Texas and you're
gonna have Indiana and Ohio State play, So I think

(01:03:18):
you're gonna have Texas Tech inside of there. Mm hmm.
So then a loss I don't think drops them far
enough out to get out.

Speaker 2 (01:03:33):
That'd be interesting, it'd be interesting to get two teams in.
But I feel like right now Texas Tech is a
just a meat grinding wood chip and everybody.

Speaker 1 (01:03:43):
Yeah, all right. The next game that we gotta talk
talk about this is an interesting one because we've spoken
a little bit about Miami and them and their their
fans being upset. Well, they go to Virginia Tech, and
so is Miami going to show up in a way

(01:04:05):
that gives them an opportunity to win? Like, are the
is this the game that they drop as well? Because
if they drop this game, I believe that the Mario
Christobal talk is gonna get hot and heavy because they
are seventeen and a half point favorites. Of course, he's

(01:04:26):
not gonna get fired. But but there's gonna be like,
like the sentiment about him and them is going to
be significantly down.

Speaker 2 (01:04:39):
Yeah, it would be him costing them a college playoff.
Berth with bad November play. Bad November play has been
kind of a hallmark of his entire situation. I would
take it personally. I would take this game completely out

(01:05:01):
of Carsonback's hands and just run the ball. Louisville and
Florida State are Virginia Tech's last two opponents. And you're
talking about two hundred and thirty five yards rushing and
two hundred and thirty seven yards rushing three touchdowns each.

Speaker 1 (01:05:16):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:05:16):
Virginia Tech has given up three rushing touchdowns in four
consecutive games. The recipe is there, don't toy with it,
don't play with it. I know last year this game
went down to a controversial call at the end. Don't
don't even let that be the case. Just run to victory.
This game should not even be a contest.

Speaker 1 (01:05:37):
It shouldn't be Yeah, Ralph, I won one hundred percent
agree with you. But you know, Virginia Tech has made
it close with teams at times because it's not like
they are devoid of talent. It all has to do
with this defense and how if they're able to get

(01:05:58):
turnovers off of Carson Back. I'm actually gonna take Miami
to win, but Virginia tech to stay within the number,
to stay within that seventeen and a half.

Speaker 2 (01:06:10):
Everybody always talk about, like Miami's recruiting and their nil
and all this other stuff that Miami is starting to
look like Miami again. Miami will never look like Miami
until they play loose, never and they keep tightening up
in all of these big moments. And you know, I
thought cam Ward was kind of the anecdote for a

(01:06:32):
lot of that. But even then that, you know, they
lost some important games last year, So I don't know.
I think they have the talent to be a top
four team in the country. I think this year is
already a disappointment. I don't think those fans can handle
any more disappointment.

Speaker 1 (01:06:46):
Okay, now, question is this line surprising to you? Texas
at Arkansas. Texas is favored by nine and a half
points against Arkansas. M This line doesn't surprise me because
of the way the Mississippi State game and the Kentucky
game went, which were very very close games for Texas,

(01:07:08):
but they are playing at home. Arch has been trending
in a more positive direction for sure. But for Texas,
a lot of this issue is their run game. They've
only rushed for twelve hundred yards on the entire season
as a team, twelve hundred when you look at you know,

(01:07:30):
like some of the and truthfully, Alabama has less rushing
yards than Texas does on the season. They've only rushed
for like, they've rushed for under eleven hundred yards or
right around eleven hundred yards on the entire season. So
that puts a lot of stress on your quarterback in
Arch Manning who has nineteen touchdowns, seven picks, but he's

(01:07:53):
thrown for twenty three hundred yards and at sixty three percent.

Speaker 2 (01:08:00):
Yeah, I mean so Memphis ran for three hundred yards
against Arkansas. I am actually shocked by the line, and
I wonder what's going into what's going into that They've
been better against the run, but it wasn't against anybody
that actually runs the ball. Well, Mississippi State and LSU

(01:08:21):
would not be confused for teams that have the ability
to run the ball. But maybe maybe it's maybe what
the the ultimate references to is Arkansas's ability to hang
with a lot of the teams that they've played against,
because even though they lost to LSU, they were in

(01:08:42):
that game. Even though they lost to Texas A and M,
they dropped forty two on them. Even though they lost
to Tennessee, they dropped thirty one on them. You know,
they have I think at this point in the season,
they have six one score losses over the course of
their eight game losing streak. So maybe the line is

(01:09:03):
just a reaction to the fact that Arkansas plays everybody close.
But when I look at the fact that Memphis rushed
for three hundred on them when Arkansas had to travel,
why couldn't Texas do the same? Isn't Texas the only
team in the country or in the SEC that returned
a one thousand yard rusher. This has got to be
the game where they get healthy.

Speaker 1 (01:09:27):
It actually should should be. But Arkansas is going to
be able to score. But the problem is Arkansas is
not going to be able to win this football game.
They're not going to be able to But it's nine.
It's nine or nine and a half, depending on where
you get it. I'm going to take Arkansas to stay
within that. Like I think that.

Speaker 2 (01:09:51):
And to be clear, because you and I talked about
this off air, you are team no path for techs.
You do not believe there's paths in Texas?

Speaker 1 (01:10:00):
No, no, yeah, yeah, I don't believe that there's a
path for Texas or that there should be a path
to Texas for the college football playoffs because they're at seventeen. Now,
this Arkansas win won't really mean much unless this next
game that we're going to talk about, actually if this

(01:10:23):
goes left Kentucky versus Vanderbilt, because if Kentucky wins this game, yeah, yeah, yeah.
If Kentucky wins this game, that's a spot for Vanderbilt.

(01:10:47):
I mean, that's a spot that Texas gets to at
least just bump up just a little bit, right. And
then what happens if BYU lose this to Cincinnati, that's
another spot. So now they're at fifteen and then you
beat Texas A and M. Depending on what happens with
Alabama and the Iron Bowl, there is a chaos path

(01:11:11):
to that happening. What would happen if if all that
happened in USC beat Oregon.

Speaker 2 (01:11:22):
I think that they would deserve it, And I'm not
like an SEC honk or whatever. But I think if
you beat a top three team in the country and
you have nine wins and you've got the win over Oklahoma,
it's hard for me to argue against Can you even compete?

Speaker 1 (01:11:42):
Because you got beat the hell up by Ohio State,
you got beat by a bad Florida team, you got
beat to a pulp by Georgia. Just a week ago,
you skated by Vanderbilt three, even though you were up
bigger in that game, And then if Vanderbilt loses to Kentucky,

(01:12:05):
it don't look as pretty for you. No, So that's
what I'm saying. You're right, this is a chaos theory game.
And uh this line opened up at seven and a
half Ralph, it is eight and a half to nine
and a half depending on where you get it. I
like Kentucky. Why Why am I so contrarian right now?

(01:12:28):
I like Kentucky plus eight and a half in this game.
I think that these this game stays extremely close. Vanderbilt's
defense is not great, but Kentucky has found a way
to make games close. Bowleie is getting some confidence, their
their their their quarterback. I like Kentucky plus eight and

(01:12:51):
a half even if Vanderbilt.

Speaker 2 (01:12:52):
Wins Kentucky after licking their wounds after getting thumped by
Georgia on the road. Has been pretty respectable. Of course,
you got to throw out the Tennessee Tech November cupcake
result that bothers me so much. But they dominated Florida

(01:13:13):
and they didn't let Auburn even like sniff the end zone.
They're running the ball pretty well lately. They didn't against Florida,
but nobody really does. But the one thing that kind
of gives me, it's hard to pick against Diego Pavia.
It's hard to pick against Clark Lee and the way
that they prepare. Diego Pavia is the SEC leader in

(01:13:34):
yards per attempt and the one place Kentucky is vulnerable
is taking them deep. So I think more big plays
for Vanderbilt equals a win. But I will go with you.
I think Kentucky covers, but Vanderbilt. Vanderbilt gets the win
in this one.

Speaker 1 (01:13:49):
All right, let's go to the next game. We got
a Big twelve showdown the a team that I clearly
foolishly picked to make the College Football Playoff and win
the Big twelve Kids versus Utah Utah. This is the

(01:14:13):
game that Utah has to have They cannot lose this
football game. They are seventeen and a half point favorites
raph seventeen and a half points. And you consider that
Kansas State is lost to Iowa Stay by three, Army
by three, Arizona by four, Baylor by one, Texas Tech

(01:14:35):
by twenty three, this line feels crazy to me. At
seventeen and a half, this says, Kansas keeps it closer,
but Utah is going to line you up and run
the damn football on you, like that's what you're gonna do.

(01:14:56):
Last week they for like eight thousand yards last week.

Speaker 2 (01:15:00):
And three weeks ago they put four to twenty two
on Colorado at eight point three carries. There are five
games this year where Utah has averaged at least six
point one yards per carry, and the.

Speaker 1 (01:15:14):
Three eighty on Baylor on like forty four carries it
was nasty.

Speaker 2 (01:15:19):
Texas Tech is the only team that has been able
to kind of figure out Utah's running game this year.
The BYU thing I chalk up to just rivalry and
road game. The Texas Tech game was a lot closer
than the thirty four ten a lot closer than the
thirty four to ten would tell you that broke open
late in.

Speaker 1 (01:15:37):
The fourth and so that game was nip and tuck. Yeah,
whole way.

Speaker 2 (01:15:43):
I'm I'm pro Kansas State in this one. I want
Avery Johnson to just run, just run. I know you
want to prove your pocket passer. Do it next year
wherever you play college football this year, just use your
feet please. But if you look at Utah over the
last month and a half, they are five and one

(01:16:05):
with five absolutely dominant in conference blowout wins forty eight
fourteen at West Virginia, forty two ten over Arizona State,
fifty three to seven over Colorado, forty five fourteen over Cincinnati,
and then at Baylor. They absolutely laid the wood. Last week.
They only needed to complete eight passes to score fifty
five points. Utah is rolling right now. This game is

(01:16:27):
at home. If it was at night, I would say
take a thirty point spread. But I think it's because
it's early in the day kickoff. It's only seventeen and
a half.

Speaker 1 (01:16:35):
Yeah, exactly, do you.

Speaker 2 (01:16:39):
Do so so BYU has the tie breaker over Utah?

Speaker 1 (01:16:46):
Correct?

Speaker 2 (01:16:50):
Yes, correct, yes, So Utah really has like a less
than two percent chance at.

Speaker 1 (01:17:01):
And getting to the big twelve championship. This is gonna
be the nastiest bowl team in America. They need help help.

Speaker 2 (01:17:09):
Yeah, I hope, but I do hope if they missed
the college Football Playoff that we just run it like
Texas Utah. Let's go, because if those would be the
essentially two top teams left out in my opinion.

Speaker 1 (01:17:22):
Yeah, oh man, all right, all right, let's get to
the next game. I didn't have it sitting right there
in front of me like I should have. There are
a lot of bad football games this week, if we're
really being honest. But there's a big ten matchup that

(01:17:43):
I find very interesting, Ralph, very interesting, and that is
Illinois at Wisconsin. And remember when Oregon played with Wisconsin.
I told everybody that it would be closer than a
lot of people thought it would because they're moving in
the right direction. Ever since that, they have told Luke Fickle,

(01:18:05):
you're not going to be fired, You're we're gonna bring
you back. They've been better and they're getting healthier and
this and this Illinois team is doing a good job.
This just feels like a situation. Ralph, Illinois favored by
seven and a half. Wisconsin just beat Washington at home.

(01:18:34):
The weather is good at least it is right right now.
Ah man I I they got beat up last week
by Indiana thirty one to seven, but they started out tight.
I'm going to take Illinois plus seven and a half.

(01:18:56):
I think this is a ten point victory.

Speaker 2 (01:19:01):
Okay, this is I don't know if I can bring myself.
I know the game against Oregon was close, and I
know that they found a way to beat Washington, but
it was all done on one side of the ball.
It's not like they're doing anything offensively right now. It

(01:19:22):
has been the last time that they completed more than
ten passes.

Speaker 1 (01:19:26):
Let me rephrase.

Speaker 2 (01:19:27):
The last time they completed nine or more passes in
a game was October fourth.

Speaker 1 (01:19:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:19:35):
The last time that they scored two touchdowns in a
game on offense was September sixth. The last time they

(01:19:56):
scored more than fourteen total points in a game is
September sixth. In the last five Middle Tennessee State in
the last five games five games, they have three touchdowns total.

(01:20:20):
And that's when they've supposedly twice. Yes, they've been shut
out twice. On the season. They're completing fifty six percent
of their passes and rushing for three point one yards
a game. They have not the last time they averaged

(01:20:41):
four yards per carry in a single game, George, you
want to guess, no idea Middle Tennessee State September sixth.
That is also the only time this season that they
have averaged four yards of carrying a game, and even
that one did not average five. They all are on
turnovers on the season minus eight.

Speaker 1 (01:21:07):
Hey, and hear this. With all of those things that
you said, they still have more rushing yards than Alabama.
Alabama doesn't even have eleven hundred rushing yards on the season.
They got ten seven and Wisconsin's got eleven hundred.

Speaker 2 (01:21:26):
This is a This is a brutal season, and if
they manage to get out of it with four plus wins,
it'll be incredible. Because currently the Wisconsin Badgers are like
a reserve power forward, averaging twelve points per game on
the year.

Speaker 1 (01:21:43):
All right, all right, the second to last game that
we have is this is an ACC game. I'm sorry,
an SEC game that people thought would matter, but it
only matts. I guess to Tennessee to see if they're
still ranked towards the end of the season. But because

(01:22:07):
they've been flying under the radar, around the twenties. Hypel's
clearly doing a good job. They're they're seventy three in
a rebuild year with Joey Aguilar as their quarterback when
Nico left. They are at Florida. This feels like a
tough spot for them. Ralph like, everything about this to

(01:22:27):
me feels extremely tough. Like I look at this and
I'm like, I don't know, pow, I do not know.
Because Lagway was pretty good last week in their in
their loss, they should have won the game. Last week

(01:22:50):
Florida had damn it. I was watching that game the
whole damn time. It was Florida was playing Old Miss
last week they had old Miss Dad to write, and
then Lagway came in doing things. You're like, what are
we doing? Son? What are we doing? I It is

(01:23:14):
like mind bendingly frustrating to watch Florida play offense and
watch decisions that DJ Lagway makes. I'm not even gonna
blame the kid at this point, because I'm gonna say
that it was the coaches that were allowing it. So
I am going to look at them. I'm gonna give

(01:23:34):
them a pass on some level, and I'm going to
take Florida. Oh Tennessee is a four point favorite in
this game, three and a half in some In some places,
this game is in the swamp. This feels like a

(01:23:56):
Florida win to me. Ralph.

Speaker 2 (01:24:00):
Okay, so the best thing that can happen for Tennessee
is to win this game.

Speaker 1 (01:24:07):
Like it's the.

Speaker 2 (01:24:09):
In a rebuilding year or whatever eight win season. You
lose your quarterback, things fall apart, you are guaranteed to
not be sub five hundred in the sec and you
will have done something that you haven't done in a
very long time. And we're gonna play a little game
called guess the year the last time that Tennessee won
a game in Gainesville the number nine, number ten box

(01:24:35):
office movie in the entire country Bad Boys, Two Bad
Boys Too, Bad Boys Too. And now these are teams
that play every year, mind you, so the last time, hmm,
not too close. I'll give you, I'll give you, I'll
give you another one. Let's uh, we'll go with one

(01:24:59):
of my traditions. I don't really do Thanksgiving, but I
do have one Thanksgiving tradition, and it is to watch
the number seventeen movie in the box office from this
year starring Will Ferrell, Elf.

Speaker 1 (01:25:13):
People, love freaking Elf. All right, ELF's older than that.
Mm hmm. Let's go two thousand and one. Okay, Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:25:31):
The last hint is you were not living that far
from there when this happened.

Speaker 1 (01:25:41):
Okay, so I was in Jacksonville. I got there in
O three. So let's go Elf, bing bing bing bing
bing bing bing.

Speaker 2 (01:25:54):
Your rookie year in the NFL is the last time
Tennessee has won a game in the swamp.

Speaker 1 (01:26:00):
And they've played at least ten times there. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:26:04):
Yeah, it's a very very important game for Tennessee that
Florida fans can turn around and throw right back in
their face and be like, yeah, we didn't even have
to have coach.

Speaker 1 (01:26:15):
So like there's still beat you. We don't leave to Tennessee.

Speaker 2 (01:26:19):
Yeah, nothing about this game means anything for Florida really
outside of just maintaining the status quo. This game means
everything for Tennessee, and they don't even get to enjoy
it as much as they would have if Florida didn't
have like the excuse of like there's not actually anybody
in charge.

Speaker 1 (01:26:34):
Yeah we don't have a quarterback, we don't have a coach,
and we still beat you. That feels like Michigan, Ohio
State last year. It's a can't lose, not a must win. Yep,
all right, let's let's get your thoughts Ralph on your
Arizona State sun Devils led by the legend himself, Jeff's

(01:27:02):
against Colorado and Juju I want I've damned there called
the kid Juju Watkins Lewis. Yeah, yeah, Julian Juju Lewis,
Julian Lewis. So Colorado has been struggling this year. They

(01:27:25):
are three and seven. I think that's fair to say
they finish up this year with Colorado State. But a
five win season wouldn't feel as bad as it feels
right now. So I am going to take Arizona State

(01:27:46):
in this game. This is there favored by seven points,
seven and a half in some spots, I'm gonna take
the seven so I can get a push if need be.
Arizona's they plus seven, I'm sorry minus seven, excuse me.

Speaker 2 (01:28:08):
It's probably smart. We haven't had a chance to talk
about this, but Dion devoting Pat Shermer, I don't love it.
He did, yeah, like like before last week or maybe
even two weeks ago.

Speaker 1 (01:28:23):
And like Pat doesn't know what a good officer coordinator.
Looks like because you had the fire Sean Lewis, yeah,
who's doing a great job at San Diego State, who
actually is one of the people in play for UCLA,
along with the jam Chesney, the yeah, the JMU coach.

(01:28:46):
And now you're firing Shermer. So maybe you made bad hires.

Speaker 2 (01:28:52):
And Shermer like led the team through Dion's absence. Yeah,
it feels like I don't know if you remember the
whole New Gingridge like cheating on his wife while she's
in cancer treatments. But it's like you.

Speaker 7 (01:29:05):
Had the man, You had the man like uh uh
running the team and and you took play calling duties
away from him and it's been worse.

Speaker 1 (01:29:16):
I like Dion.

Speaker 2 (01:29:18):
This year is certainly not going according to plan. There
is a lot of talent on this roster. I don't
know if Jordan Steaton's gonna be healthy. They've got some
really good wide receivers, and I do love how Julian
Lewis hung in there after getting sacked a billion times
against West Virginia. You know, they always have the chance
to maybe do something special on offense. But here's why

(01:29:38):
this game actually matters, and it's a full circle moment
for this show that we do together. Two things both
that we covered for the Pac Total Apostles. Number One,
when Dion came in, he brought with him his famously
his a store that you used to frequent. Yeah, he
brought his Louis luggage and which means the old luggage

(01:30:00):
had to go. And one of those old bags was
a man by the name of Jordan Tyson. Right now,
and well, what did we say at the time. We're like, okay,
I get getting these dudes out of here, but Jordan Tyson,
and we said it.

Speaker 1 (01:30:20):
Then we said it.

Speaker 2 (01:30:21):
Then Jordan Tyson got his start us talking about him
on this show, him tearing up Arizona State. So Jordan
Tyson's coming back from this hamstring and you know, he
wants to show out in Boulder in front of his
old fans, in front of the coach that that you
know cut eyghs. Yeah, and he's dealt with a lot
of injuries, so he's kind of got a lot of
lot to prove as he builds his his draft stock.

(01:30:43):
The other thing is this, and it's something we covered
on the Pack Told Apostles as well, something we kind
of even maybe laughed at at the time, Jeff Simms's
whole life fell apart in Boulder at the start of
the twenty.

Speaker 1 (01:30:57):
Twenty three years Nebraska Yes, yeah, in bows talked about
like like he was dog water, like he was the
worst college football quarterback that to ever tie up shoes.
They should have never given him a football. He should
he shouldn't even be allowed to change positions. He should

(01:31:20):
just be forced to quit football permanently. That's how bad.

Speaker 2 (01:31:24):
And that a lot of that call was coming from
inside the house those Nebraska fans.

Speaker 1 (01:31:28):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:31:29):
And one thing that Nebraska fans used to say is
like he's a good guy. But and I always kind
of wondered what that meant. And now that he's been
in Tempee for two years, that's whatever. That's how everybody talks.

Speaker 1 (01:31:39):
About him there. He's a very good person. Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:31:42):
This game matters a lot. So who matters a lot
for Jeff Simms. Arizona State, Colorado is bad. But I
have a vested interest in seeing Jordan Tyson get his
Boulder farewell. And it would be really cool to see
Jeff Simms redeem his name in the city that took
it away. That those two things I think are important

(01:32:02):
parts of a game that really doesn't matter all that much.

Speaker 1 (01:32:05):
Okay, super quick, super super quick, Washington U c l
A Washington minus ten and a half points. The only
reason why this could even be a game where it
shouldn't be it.

Speaker 2 (01:32:18):
Is because Jetfish interviews before the game.

Speaker 1 (01:32:21):
Huh.

Speaker 2 (01:32:22):
It's because Jetfish interviews before the game.

Speaker 1 (01:32:25):
Oh that's hilarious, and you know that's what.

Speaker 2 (01:32:27):
Arizona fans are saying. He's gonna go down to the
interview right for kickoff.

Speaker 1 (01:32:32):
And then the other part is Washington is awful on
the road. This is how they lost to Wisconsin being
terrible on the road. M Nico's back this week. They're
ten and a half point favorites. I'm taking UCLA plus
ten and a half.

Speaker 2 (01:32:51):
I'll take I'll take the spread with you. I don't
love Washington playing bad when their whole team is Arizona
high school kids. I love, I love that whole roster.
But I think it could be a very close game. Yep,
it'd be hell if they lost.

Speaker 1 (01:33:07):
Hell. And if you guys noticed, we did not bring
up the sec barely because we will spend zero point
in time talking about Texas A and m versus Samford Colorado.
I'm sorry Georgia versus Charlotte, Alabama versus Eastern Illinois, Auburn

(01:33:29):
versus Mercer, South Carolina versus Coastal Carolina, LSU versus Western Kentucky,
and then Tennessee versus New Mexico State last week, and
then there was a Oh Miss versus the Citadel as
well a couple of weeks ago. So no, we're not

(01:33:52):
gonna pay any attention to you. Go go sit and
spend somewhere.

Speaker 2 (01:33:58):
We did spend ten minut it's arguing about our mercer
before we hit record for full disclosure.

Speaker 1 (01:34:03):
But yes, because Ralph said that Mercers should sit their
starters because they're nine and one and going to the playoffs.
And then in case anybody gets hurt and you disagree,
because this is their opportunity to be able to showcase
their skills versus.

Speaker 2 (01:34:21):
The SEC so that they can transfer leave the team.
You gotta sit those starters, man, You gotta everybody. You
gotta go get that Michael Jordan Salt Lake City Pizza
before the get everybody a case of food poisoning right
before the game's hilarious.

Speaker 1 (01:34:41):
All right, you guys, I'm George reister. He's Ralph Ampson.
Peace out, catch you guys later.

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