October 24, 2024 • 41 mins
On this week's episode of College Football Apostles, George Wrighster and Ralph Amsden talk about the hottest topics of the week in college football- including Mike Gundy's comments about money being the only way to retain players, former college football stars Lendale White and AJ McCarron giving their old schools a beatdown on social media, James Franklin's refusal to engage with reporters asking about the alleged crimes of his former players, and Kenny Dillingham crowd sourcing for a new kicker in his postgame presser.
Plus, the guys go through a list of quarterbacks they believe might end up in the transfer portal after the season.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
I'm George Reister, He's Ralph Amson, and this is the
College Football Apostles Week nine, So we're deep into the
season now and fan bases are going crazy. You got
AJ mccarrn blasting Alabama players. You have Lyndale White going
after USC. You got Mike Gundy talking about how hard
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it is to retain players right now and it's just
so sad and so hard for him. And then you
got James Franklin refusing to talk about a player who
is well, multiple players who are suspended from their team.
You got Kenny Dillingham having open kicker tryouts during the
season after Ralph blasted them, and oh man, I'm sorry.
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And we got to talk about the quarterbacks who are
going to be in the portal for this season. And
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subscribe to all of that stuff right now. But Ralph,
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I guess we will start with with Mike Gundy because
this is the point in time this season where guys
are you know, guys that we thought we would see playing.
We haven't really seen them play too much, and now
we know it's because that red shirt year is gonna
be preserved or they're just gonna be on it on
the way out. In the transfer portal, and Mike Gundy
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talked about how hard it is at this point in
time to retain your players. Do you feel bad for
him right now?
Speaker 2 (01:46):
I think if it was any coach other than Mike Gundy,
I would immediately jump down their throat. But he's been
at Oklahoma State forever, so you're actually talking about somebody
who was an Oklahoma State quarterback. Oklahoma State coach has
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been there a really long time, through ups and downs,
So you can't just jump to the automatic. Well, coaches
all lead, you can't. You can't do that with him.
So with somebody who's been around college football that long,
somebody who lost eighteen players to the portal after the
twenty twenty two season, you kind of want to listen
to what he has to say. Here's what he said,
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player retention is based on money. I'll give you an example.
If you're playing on our team and we go three
and nine, and right now you're making twelve thousand dollars
and we say, hey, if you come back, we'll pay
you two hundred and fifty thousand. What are you gonna do?
Player retention is probably ninety percent built on money right now,
not other things. It's changed. I don't know if he's
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completing it sounds like he's just telling the truth.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
I don't I don't think he's completely right. I do
believe that player retention of your stars is based upon money, right.
But there's a lot of kids that recognize that opportunity
is more valuable than the money, because at the end
of the day, the majority of players are still under
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the disillusionment, and it's not wrong for them to feel
like that that they're going to the NFL, that the
NFL is gonna be my path, right, And there's a
lot of them who are right, and some of them
are going to be are aware enough to say, all right,
I'm not going to the NFL. Let me get as
much money as I can right now. And then you
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have the kids that are like, yo, I'm going to
the NFL, and this situation with this coach, with this
coordinator is the right situation for me, and I'm gonna
stay put. Yeah, somebody else might offer me a little
bit more money. But for a lot of kids, as
long as the money is close and they're in a
good situation already, a lot of them are willing to stay.
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And that's why you've seen there are certain schools that
don't have a lot of kids transfer out, even when
they're not buried on the depth chart, but when they are.
You know, a kid like Kenyon Sadik at Oregon the
second tight end right now, if if he weren't truly
happy there, he would be in the portal because there's
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gonna be a lot of people that will probably offer
him a lot of money this offseason. But maybe he says,
all right, cool, I'm happy in the spot I'm in
right now. I'm gonna shine next year, have a legit
chance to go to the NFL. And let's say somebody
offers him seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars in Oregon
was like, hey, yo, we got we got six twenty
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five for you. Here's the budget, here's what Terence Ferguson
got last year. Here's what we have. You know, what
do you what do you do in that sort of situation?
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Yeah, no, I see what you're talking about. I see
what you're talking about. And I guess maybe where you
could push back. Mike Gundy is also saying like it's
changed because you're allowed. Sometimes it's not just money. If
your position coach leaves and you like that position coach,
Like Kurt Signette, you went from James Madison to Indiana,
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a lot of players followed him. Yeah, they liked him.
They want to go, and you can go now. You know,
I was raised in Arizona. They have like regular marriage
in Arizona, and they have covenant marriage, right, so marriage
covenant marriage is for if you go into the thing
cocky like, hey, we're never gonna split up, and even
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if we do think about it, I want to make
it harder to get divorced. So in a covenant marriage,
if you get that type of marriage, you have like
a one year cooling off period before you can actually
finalize a divorce. A whole year, wow, unless there's like
serious exigent circumstances. Right. So, my bet is if you
took all the people who were in covenant marriages and
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the people who have regular marriage certificates in Arizona, the
divorce rate is lower amongst the the one that's harder
to get out of.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Bet so because that gives you long enough time to
like separate, live somewhere else and then be like, ah, no,
it was better, oh the way.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Yeah. And so like when it used to be that
you had to sit out a whole year, you know,
money or not under the table or not having punishment
for leaving for players, when coaches could just come and
go was a big driver on people just sticking around
on a roster kind of because you had to. So
I do think that that money and player retention is big.
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And I know a lot of coaches don't promise kids
coming in or even transfers anything, but they'll say in
year two we got you.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
If you prove it, we got you. Now you have
to back that up or you lose your credibility big time.
But that's the same in any type of recruiting, right,
So I would say that it's a big factor in
keeping your players. As somebody who all Arizona State, you know,
watching us lose Ricky Piersoll to Florida and then Elijah
Badger to Florida, I know that there are some schools
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that have more money than we do. That that just
is what it is, and you're not going to be
able to retain unless you unless you can up.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Yeah, but how much of that, okay, with with Ricky
Piersaw and with Elijah Badger, right, how much of that
was situation too? Was that they knew that Arizona State
or perceived that Arizona State was going to be bad
last year?
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Yes, I will give you more money to get the ball.
Is as a pretty great recruiting tool.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Yeah, But more money and you will.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Get the ball.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Yeah, And and you'll be on what we believe will
be a good football team, even though that that didn't
turn out to be true with Florida. But but if
you also believe that you're going to be in a
winning situation too, sometimes that matters for players.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Yeah, but sometimes it's about the money. Shout out.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
At the end of the day. It's all when they
say it's not about the money, It's always about the money,
all right. So we also have had players who played
now blasting their universities and everything else. One of them
is Lyndale White over at USA. He is not happy
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with what is going on with Lincoln Riley. There's a
Matt Lionard has recently softened his stance on USC. I
believe after rethinking after listening to a little bit of
George Reister and a little bit of Joel Klatt about
USC because we both share the opinion and I think
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you do too, Ralph, that they're closer than it appears
that when you lose four games by fourteen points against
tough opponents, and these are physical opponents, and you would
have gotten your ass waxed last year and blown out. Yes,
you're moving in the right direction. You got to be
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able to stand a little bit of the growing pains
to be able to get to the actual winning when
the fans want microwave results, when the problem is is
that they got microwave results when Caleb Williams came over
because he was a special college quarterback and his situation
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was that situation was similar to what happened at Michigan
State with Kenneth Walker, right when mel Tucker first got there,
Kenneth Walker gone. What happened, bottom fell out, Caleb Williams gone,
The bottom didn't well, I mean I guess that this
is their version of the bottom falling out, but it
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also fell out last year with Caleb Williams. So they
had to rethink everything, reimagine everything. So why like, I
don't know why anybody expected this season because I talked
to USC fans. I see one every other day in
Terrell Thomas, who played the our daughters are friends. He
coaches at my kids school, and they all expected a
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ten win season out of USC this year. And I
couldn't understand why.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
It could have happened. But I'll tell you what, if
they run it back, same players, same coaches, and I
know that doesn't happen in modern college football, and fans don't.
USC fans don't seem to be interested in that. I'm
telling you, if you run it back with everyone, this
is a ten to eleven win team next year. If
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they continue to progress the way that they're progressing. It's
like walking into a remodel and complaining about the.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Mess exactly exactly. They're command, Oh my god, it looks
Oh what what is that this dust around here? You
got on this wood? Lay it all over the place.
What's what's the tile laying on the floor for? Because
it's a remodel, what are you talking about?
Speaker 2 (10:58):
They have to see it, they have to know. They don't.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
They don't, Ralph, I'm on their message work. They do
not see it. The overwhelming majority do not see.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Team meetings when Lincoln Riley is talking to the players
for him to be like, we're close.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
But the question is do they know what? At what
point in time do they still continue to buy the message?
Because I believe that if he can keep them buying
the message, this will translate over into positive things next season.
If you see blowouts, if they number one, lose to
UCLA or get blown out by like Notre Dame and
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then lose to UCLA, this whole season was wasted. You
would have all the good work that got done would
have been just thrown in the trash and you're gonna
be sorry again next year.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Yeah, I suppose I'm looking at Oklahoma right now. I'm
looking at Oklahoma and I'm like, maybe they're a quarterback away,
or maybe they're toast. We don't know, but we do
know that they weren't ready for this transition to the SEC.
It's pretty clear.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
I don't think they were ready for the Big twelve
this year, let alone the SEC.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Yeah, they score in the Big twelve. When you look
at you look at USC, when you look at where
they were last year when they weren't ready to be
in the PAC twelve, and I can genuinely say, like, oh,
they can play a little bit of Big ten football.
They had five explosive plays against Penn State's defense. They
had five plays for one hundred and ninety one yards
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against a team that averages two yards per rush defensively,
like they are close. They it's just not yet. And
we have professionalized college football, so you can look at
things on an arc you can't. I know they don't
love being five and nine over his last fourteen. I
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would hate that too, But you are, George, Are they
going to be more talented next year than they are
this year?
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (13:06):
And he's this defense working with D'Anton lynn. If he's
still there and they the bottom falling out, might keep
him around, which could be a good thing for them.
You know, I don't know. It feels weird to be
encouraged about a team that just blew it against Maryland
and lost at Minnesota. But we remember, we remember what
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USC had been under you know that Clay Helton. They
were eight and four in his last twelve and they
looked terrible. Yep, Yes, they looked better than this year's
USC team would murder last year's USC team.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Facts Facts now onto Alabama because AJ McCarran is not
feeling what he's watching on television. He's not feeling what's
going on with them, And truthfully, with him, I do
not blame him. I think this is a totally different situation.
But then Kaylyn de Bor missed the mark with the
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Malachi More thing. He did not there was no obvious
punishment that that happened. And with players, players will they're
like our kids. They will consist in whether you're pro player, college,
high school, whatever, they will consistently push the limits until
they know where the line is. And if they step
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over the line, there's no consequence. And then everybody else
sees it. And all you had to do is be like, oh,
I'm sorry, I messed up. Then everybody else is gonna say, oh, okay,
well all right, I'll do it. And then oh, hey, coach,
I'm sorry, I messed up. Oh you know, it's fine, Johnny.
Then that line keeps getting further and further, and then
when you try to draw hard line, everybody say whoa, whoa, whoa,
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why you ain't dot Malachi like that? And then you
had their wide receiver, their five star wide receiver OTUM
retweeting tweets about why you not throwing me to football?
And then you got them shooting jump shots on quarterback sneaks.
That ain't it, fam None of that is it? That's
some the the jump shots on on on the quarterback sneak,
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that's something that we would have seen out of Florida
State's Willie Taggart team.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Were ever in school, We ever in school and your
hardest teacher doesn't show up that day, Yes, and they
got a substitute. And then you turn everybody turns to
that one kid in class and then to see if.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Yeah, if if he's he's if that kid is either
going to be like all right, cool, we chilling to day,
or if the kids like here comes the chaos.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Yeah, and if and and if the teacher doesn't care,
everybody gets their phones out. That's what sets the tone, right. Uh.
When I was a teacher for three years and they
always said, like your most strict time as a teacher
needs to be week one, like syllabus week. You know,
you want to be that substitute that comes in and
you're like, I'm retired military, Yes I saw the battlefield. No,
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I'm not going to tell you if I killed anyone
or not. But if you do want to talk about
what the inside of a man looks like, I can
be pretty descriptive like, well, yeah, yeah, you got to
with yeah, you got to come up with an energy
that gets people back on their heels. And that's we're
learning more about Nick Saban in the years after he's
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gone than I think we did in the time that
he was there about how hard it is to just
keep that death grip on a program, keep people with
the fear of God in them, right, That's tough. That's tough.
And Kaylin de Bors, this is going to be without
turning over the roster. It's going to be very difficult
to get everybody back.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
And it's funny because I actually heard something prior to
the season, because remember when we put out the list
of the teams that would have the most wins over
the over the next five years, people were surprised at
how low Alabama was and and then they started out
the season. Ha, ha, what are you talking about? You
look stupid. Well, here's the thing is, I believe that
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Kaitlyn de Bores year two is gonna be harder than
year one because it's gonna be starting to recruit his
own players. He's actually gonna lose some players into Portal
this year. I do believe some some some pretty good
players that are gonna go to other teams because and
not because he's a bad coach. It's just because they
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they signed up for it, and they were like, I
want the I want the saving treatment, you know. I mean,
like like I want somebody that's gonna be on my
ass constantly because I need that. And there are some
players that realize I need one thing and I need
another thing. Now. He needs to get players that fit
the Kaitlin Debor style because the Saban players doing it
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your way that ain't gonna work. So he's got to
get players in to establish his culture and players who
are gonna be able to follow the rules without the
rule of law.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Right, And you're bringing in the best in the country
and you're trying to put them through the pressure cooker
that will make them pros. That's what you have to do,
you know. And so I wish him the best of luck.
But as you've often pointed out when he was at Washington,
he's never had to be a proven recruiter, no, So
you better hope the laundry recruits itself, or that he
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elevates his game in that area because where he sets
himself apart is the x'es and o's. But in the
sec sometimes that's not enough. Sometimes it really is just
Jimmy's and Joe's and you go up against teams to
have nine five stars on an eleven person side of
the ball.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
See. I think the hardest part, well, the biggest adjustment
for Kaylyn the Boy is going to be the fact
that he's always been beloved everywhere. He was beloved at
Sue Falls, beloved that Fresno State. They loved him at
Washington instant, instant grits types of results there because he's
a really good coach. But at Bama that there was
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no rebuild. There was like they were at the they
were in the College Football Playoff last year. So the
expectation is different. And this is the first time that
he's ever been under this level of scrutiny where where
people aren't like, Kaylyn, you're doing a great job, You're
you're fantastic, you're excellent, you're doing all the right things.
We want you here forever. He ain't hear none of
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that right now, he heard it after the Georgia game
and then it all went away. I'm just saying, now
you got James Franklin. He has refused to to talk
about two players who are suspended from the team. They
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have rape charges against them and other things as well.
Is James Franklin out of pocket for not wanting, wanting
or addressing these things at all because the media tried
to ask him questions. Their representative said that the school
put out a statement address any questions to the to
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the SID or to the athletic department. But they've already
put out a statement been coach James Franklin will not
be addressing it.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
So this is the ultimate like what did you think
would happen? Off? Right? Like James Franklin gets asked a
question by the media and he looks surprised, and it's like, James,
what did you think would happen?
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (20:49):
And then and then he doesn't answer it in the
media and it's like, media, what did you think would happen?
Speaker 1 (20:56):
They should be fired if they refuse to even ask
him the question, right right?
Speaker 2 (21:02):
So you just it. It is what it is like.
It's when an officer walks up to a car that's
been swerving and they knock on the window and they say,
you've been drinking tonight. Why would you ask me that? Yeah,
but like you expect the driver to be like, yes,
but do you expect to.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Ask the question, yes, exactly drunk one?
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Yeah, so you they have to ask. All you have
to say in that situation is like on a we
we've issued a statement on a vice a legal counsel
and not having all the information left. Uh, you know
we we we support any and all victims, you know,
and as stuff comes out about this, perhaps we'll be
able to address in the future. We can't address it
right now. What I can tell you is they're they're
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not on our team. They did not meet the standard
of our team. And hopefully a day comes when when
we can have a more open conversation about this. But
for anybody who is, you know, a victim of anything
like this, if my heart's go out to you.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
End of storry, there's nothing else to ask. After that point,
they will stop asking. But the fact that you ignore it,
that's only gonna make investigative reporters dig deeper. Yeah you don't.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Let's bring in Luther the Anger translator to answer the question.
What do you think about those rapes?
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Like what.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
He's getting killed for stepping back like that, and it's
just come on, James exact. But neither one of them
is gonna get anything out of that situation. They issued
a statement the media has to ask, but like, will
you think the coach is going to answer? No, you
just have to ask. And so I don't know. I'm
not mad at James Franklin. It's just not a good look.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Yeah, I'm not mad at him for not answering. He
should have just gave that obligatory non answer that you
just gave. That's it, and then there's nothing else to
ask about it because everybody already sees that that you
gave them that BS answer. So okay, so now we
know we can move on. All right. I need a
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straight up answer out of you. Ralph, what is going
on with the Kenny Dillingham at Arizona State kicker situation?
Because they held open tryouts. He went in the media
and was like, basically what it sounded like to me,
because there's a difference in what something what somebody said,
and how people receive it. When he made the comments
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about we basically that they have to kick better. We
gotta fit figure out our kicking game. What that sounded
like to me was our kicker suck. We are holding
open tryouts because these dudes are horrible. They lost us
the game. So we'll see if there's anybody else that
we can find to do better.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Yeah, I hate this whole thing.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
So that's what it sounded like.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Yeah, yeah, you know how coaches talk to each other. Yes,
I'll never forget being a freshman in high school and
there's a vent in the door of the coach's office,
and the drinking fountain is right outside the coach's office door.
So I'm there and I'm taking a real long drink
because I can hear the coaches talking about the players. Okay,
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and these coaches like, they're so nice and inspirational and motivational,
and they hold you to account and they push you,
but they don't like it's very much for your betterment,
and they're good men. And I have a lot of
them for teachers. And you know, I'm listening to him
sitting around in this room, and I remember one of
them says, I'm gonna have to name drop a dude.
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And hopefully he never ever hears this, but I remember
being a freshman. I'll never forget this. And they're going
around talking about the players, and one of the coaches,
the special teams coach, goes, what about Richard Mansfield And
one of the other coaches is like, Mansfield sucks, and
then they all start laughing.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Oh my god, all start laughing.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
I was like at the drinking fountain and I just
kind of like slowly back away because I don't want
to hear what they said about me. Uh. And so
it was one of those things where you realize, like
coaches talk a different way behind closed, they're a little
more honest.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
You know. And we found that out with the Giants
hard knocks this year.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Yeah, yes, yes, And so you know the kicking game
has not been good. It's not a surprise that, you know,
they want the kicking game to be better. Everybody wants
their kicking game to be better. When he sat down
and he blew up their whole kicking room and Arizona
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State's weird because they have somebody for kickoffs, somebody for
extra points, and somebody for field goals, three different players, right,
and a punter who's also not playing well. And so
he was like, we're holding open tryout. It was the
type of stuff that I would expect the coaches in
the room together to be like Mansfield sucks, like that's
but not, you know, and he was emotional. He was
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from It certainly wasn't something that happened in the fifty
sixth minute of the game. That law a forty eight
yard field goal from a college kicker in the fifty
sixth minute is not what lost you this game. But
it's what he was frustrated about, is what was on
his mind at the time. I had tweeted out a
receipt for a Sun Devil Sun Angel club and I
donation and I just wrote new kicker and I posted
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it and I thought it was funny. And then when
I saw what Kenny Dillingham said, I was like, oh no,
like this is going to become an all time pylon
on one dude. So I deleted my tweet and then
I Kennye Dillingham apologized, and then he reached out. He
reached out to me on the side and he's like, hey,
like I didn't mean for and you know, I thought,
I was like, oh no, I deleted my tweet because
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I felt like I was piling on like it's enough
when the head coach does it. But yeah, so I
think he thought that I was criticizing him. It is
an emotional thing to do. He apologized. They did hold
a tryout. What's crazy is I host these sun Devils
every Wednesday night. There's a kid named Nolan Krinsky who's
in there all the time, and going back well over
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a year, he's talked about his failed attempts to walk on.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
So Nolan Krinsky make the team.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
He tried out yesterday. I don't know if he made
the team yet or not, but he's an aviation student
at ASU and he's been trying to get on the
team forever. He's actually a pretty good kicker.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
His whole life will be accomplished if he gets on
this team, right.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
I mean kind of. He's also like he's a pilot.
He's going to have a decent life regardless. But he
wasn't able to go play college football because there's not
a lot of schools that have aviation schools that needed
a kicker. Yeah, so he's kind of in this situation
where he picked an aviation school and they didn't need
a kicker. Well now they might, so I hope it
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works out. For him.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
I do too, dude. I hope this turns into one
of them Disney movies where he ends up kicking the ball.
Then he goes to the NFL, and then he has
to give up being being a pilot because he's an
NFL kicker, and then he goes to go be a
pilot after and we get a chance to see this
school story.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Yeah, I want I want to know someday that, like
after his days as a sun devil, that he's the
one doing the stadium flyover like that would be.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
But all right, next thing up, Washington State and Oregon
State revealed their schedules for next year, and everybody was like, okay, cool,
and then all of a sudden, you do a double
take and you're like, wait, wait what you see something
that you have never I don't ever remember seeing this.
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They're playing each other twice in a season. Now, part
of me believes that this is just potentially a placeholder
for an eighth team that may be joining but joining
the Pac twelve because they still need one more team
to be able to field an entire conference, and next
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year is the last year that they have to be
able to do it. So it was kind of Comedy
Hour at their expense over that, is that okay to
laugh at them?
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Uh? I don't know. I don't think it's funny. They
were kind of forced into it. But what I'm what
I'm wondering is if that if this George to you,
all the nil stuff that has made college football feel
more like pro football is all stuff I wanted to happen,
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and so I'm not mad about it. This definitely makes
it feel more like the NFL.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Yes, because it's like a division. You got a home
and a home.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Yeah, I don't know, I don't. How do you would
you like to see more people do this? I don't,
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
I mean, I mean, if it's gonna be like Georgia
and Bama than Bama and Georgia, or if we're gonna have,
you know, Oregon Ohio State, then Ohio State Oregon. I mean,
of course that sounds cool, but that would actually lead
us to something that actually would benefit college football, which
is not scheduling ten years in advance and making schedules
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that actually work. And that's why I'm hoping that the
Big ten SEC where they're talking about the scheduling matchup,
if they do that every year and pick good opponents
against each other. Lord have mercy for the for all
the college football glory, we will be excited about it.
But the next thing that we have to talk about,
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and this one is a big one because this one
is the players that could be hitting the transfer portal
this offseason. The quarterbacks in particular, because the past two
years we've seen a bunch of quarterbacks hit the transfer
portal getting big money. But now those guys are aging
out of college football, So now the younger guys actually
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have to play. And now that the younger guys are playing,
where will they end up and who will transfer out
of their good circumstances right now to go to greener
pastures And that either means situation or greener or pastors
with boat loads of green money in it. So we
have a list of players and that we believe could
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be in the transfer portal after this season. Flora is yours, Sure,
flor is yours?
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Ralph, Yeah, I talk.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
I'm a third person right now.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
I wouldn't mind being George Reister right now. I don't
like this winter weather that's coming my way. I'd love
to be out on the best coast at So I'm
gonna give you a name. You tell me the likelihood
that you think that they'll hit the portal. All right,
So first we'll start with a with an easy one.
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Washington State's John Mattier.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Hundred percent, one hundred percent he will be in the
transfer portal next year. Actually, no, no, no, no, I'll give
it a ninety nine point eight percent because there's a
point two percent chance that Washington State's gonna be able
to come up with enough money to keep him. He's
a kid who is gonna be highly sought after because
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there are so few quarterbacks available, and he can throw it,
he can run it, he's tough. He's like an upgraded
version of Diego Pavia over at Vanderbilt, and he's gonna
get millions this offseason missed. He may be the three
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million dollar quarterback that Michigan's looking for.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
So he's from north of the Dallas Fort Worth area.
Do you think that'll be one of the things that
factors into him being Like, I'm an Oklahoma Sooner because
I wanted to play from friends and family.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Hey, baby, that might be it, because Oklahoma is definitely
gonna be in the transfer portal of market for a quarterback.
Next year.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
Okay, Uh, New Mexico's Devin Dampier. He's kind of like
a poor poor man's John Matteire. I guess I mean
more more of a runner, less of a thrower.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
Oh, I'm gonna go with ninety nine percent too, okay,
and and the one percent is just actually I'm going
one hundred percent. There's no chance he's still there. He
is been balling this year. Somebody's gonna want him, and
somebody is gonna want to pay him at least five
hundred thousand dollars seven hundred and fifty thousand thousand dollars,
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and that's gonna be impossible to turn down. But between
the NIO money from the school and the marketing opportunities
of being at a at a P four program are
gonna be too much.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
He's a really specific type of quarterback. Like not everybody's
gonna be able to make use of him. But yeah,
he's He's had a very good duel threat season. All right,
here's one of my favorite quarterbacks in all of college
football right now. I think he's a I think he's
a like certified pro prototypical pocket guy, good leadership, big arm,
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doesn't turn the ball, over a lot, and that is
Cincinnati's Brendan Soresby. Okay, six three, two thirty originally from Denton, Texas,
committed to Cincinnati coming off their run to the college
football playoffs. M all right, I'm gonna go with sixty
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five percent, Okay, and that thirty five. Yes, there's a
little bit of a money factor, but I do believe
that he's probably one of those kids that's like, I
want to win, and if we're not gonna be able
to win here at Cincinnati, then I'm gonna move elsewhere.
That's what I think is gonna be the biggest difference
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and a differentiator for him. Okay, So then we gotta
go next. We gotta go with a player that uh
is is just a lights out passer. Uh somehow still
has eligibility left. He's gonna be one of the one
of the last quarterbacks to have a COVID year and
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a red shirt year, and that is fifth year junior
Chandler Morris from North Texas who currently this season has
twenty three touchdowns and eight interceptions on sixty four passing.
He is a gun slinger.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
Yes, somebody gonna want that. Somebody's air raid offense is
gonna want that or somebody that runs a you know,
more of a traditional style offense. That's just like we
can we can riel them in a little bit. But
he's gonna be able to make special plays for us too.
I'm gonna he's at North Texas.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
I'm his third school. This is his third school.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
Oh so so he he ain't got no problem transfer.
He ain't got no problem transfer. So but as long
as he's guaranteed the start, he will he will move
again because he's like, listen, I need to moved two
times already. This time is for the money. So but
but because he's moved three times, he may say I
finally got a good situation here. I'm not moving because like,
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I don't want to do it again. So it's either
one of those two things. And so I'm gonna give
him a fifty to fifty shot.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Okay, time to get controversial the next few okay, Eli
Holstein at.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
Ooh so please this will be his third school.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
Pitt fans are always in my mentions anyway, because they've
been mad about Todd Graham for thirteen years and let
it go. So please don't say anything that would upset
them even more.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
Okay. So, so Ralph is the one who brought up
eli Holstein and said that he believes that eli Holstein
will transfer.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
No, I did not.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
I'm gonna go with sixty forty stays okay, because he's
winning at pitt right, what are they six and oh
or seven and oh?
Speaker 2 (37:28):
Right? Now, Yeah, Jordan Addison was winning at pitt too.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
Hey man, that almighty dollar talks and see see for him.
He's playing so well that if he can go to
a potential national championship type situation, he may be the
quarterback to do that. Now, a place that I can
see him going. I won't even name the place yet,
because I do believe that you're gonna name this kid.
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So I'm going to hold off on the place where
I think he actually no, he yes, Yes, I'm gonna
hold off on the place simply because I do believe
that you're gonna name this kid.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
Okay, Well, if i'm if I'm University of Pittsburgh, I
have game a reno on the phone with this kid
every single day talking about being the next game.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
Are you better? You better have a money manager on
the phone with him, all right.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
The next one is Miller Moss at USC.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
That's where he might be going. Baby, they might just
swap quarterbacks. Literally, they do it straight up trade, straight
up trade, because Eli hosting a better athlete than people
give him credit for. Now. I remember I saw him
at the Elite eleven out in Los Angeles, I'm known
out in Vegas competing, and I think he had the
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highest sparks score because your boy Chiller was like, He's
gonna have the highest spark store ever and he was
close to right.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
So so yeah, so if they quarterback, because Pitt has
already taken a USC guy in Keaton Slova's I think,
and USC has already stolen a pretty good pit player
in Jordan Aison, So I imagine there'd be some emotions involved.
All right, let's let's turn up the heat even more.
Jalen Milroe. Oh, I'm gonna go with Do you think
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Jalen Milroe is going to the NFL.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
Not after this year? No, that would not I mean,
it just wouldn't be a wise moves.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
Here's a controversial question. Do you think it's Anthony Richardson's
fault that Jalen Milroe will not go to the NFL
this year?
Speaker 1 (39:30):
No? No, it is Jalen Milroe and their coach's fault
because he's not played particularly well of late. He doesn't
look like he's seeing the field clearly, he doesn't look
like he's ready to go to the NFL. But Jay,
but Anthony Richardson may be the reason why he for
sure would not be a first round pick. That may
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be the reason, but I mean he's also because Anthony
richard hadn't played a lot of football games.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
I think Josh Allen is the reason Anthony Richardson was
such a high draft pick. And I think that Anthony
Richardson is the reason that the next like physical freak
will not be.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
Yes, yeah, well then the next physical freak who hasn't
played a lot of football for sure, And.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
Then all right, I'll give you my two that I
think will probably be in the portal.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
Darryl, how to give you the percentage? I think seventy
thirty he stayed, Actually, no, sixty five, thirty five he.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
Stays, Okay, that's pretty good odds. I'm sure Alabama fans would.
I mean, this last game was rough, but he kind
of was carrying him before that. I'll give you my
two that I think will end up in the portal.
I think everybody will be all over Darien Mensa out
of Tulane. It's fantastic quarterback. Beat out my guy ty
Thompson uh and has that offense rolling. And the other
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one is Alonza Barrett at JMU. I could totally see
him jumping over to Indiana to continue that the JMU
to Indiana pipeline.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
Hey, that might be it. And you guys, that is
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Peace out. We will catch you guys next week
I'm George Reister, He's Ralph Amson, and this is the
College Football Apostles Week nine, So we're deep into the
season now and fan bases are going crazy. You got
AJ mccarrn blasting Alabama players. You have Lyndale White going
after USC. You got Mike Gundy talking about how hard
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it is to retain players right now and it's just
so sad and so hard for him. And then you
got James Franklin refusing to talk about a player who
is well, multiple players who are suspended from their team.
You got Kenny Dillingham having open kicker tryouts during the
season after Ralph blasted them, and oh man, I'm sorry.
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And we got to talk about the quarterbacks who are
going to be in the portal for this season. And
that's on the episode of College Football Apostles. Make sure
that you guys like subscribe, tell a friend about the show,
and most importantly, get notifications. Go down there and like
subscribe to all of that stuff right now. But Ralph,
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I guess we will start with with Mike Gundy because
this is the point in time this season where guys
are you know, guys that we thought we would see playing.
We haven't really seen them play too much, and now
we know it's because that red shirt year is gonna
be preserved or they're just gonna be on it on
the way out. In the transfer portal, and Mike Gundy
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talked about how hard it is at this point in
time to retain your players. Do you feel bad for
him right now?
Speaker 2 (01:46):
I think if it was any coach other than Mike Gundy,
I would immediately jump down their throat. But he's been
at Oklahoma State forever, so you're actually talking about somebody
who was an Oklahoma State quarterback. Oklahoma State coach has
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been there a really long time, through ups and downs,
So you can't just jump to the automatic. Well, coaches
all lead, you can't. You can't do that with him.
So with somebody who's been around college football that long,
somebody who lost eighteen players to the portal after the
twenty twenty two season, you kind of want to listen
to what he has to say. Here's what he said,
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player retention is based on money. I'll give you an example.
If you're playing on our team and we go three
and nine, and right now you're making twelve thousand dollars
and we say, hey, if you come back, we'll pay
you two hundred and fifty thousand. What are you gonna do?
Player retention is probably ninety percent built on money right now,
not other things. It's changed. I don't know if he's
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completing it sounds like he's just telling the truth.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
I don't I don't think he's completely right. I do
believe that player retention of your stars is based upon money, right.
But there's a lot of kids that recognize that opportunity
is more valuable than the money, because at the end
of the day, the majority of players are still under
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the disillusionment, and it's not wrong for them to feel
like that that they're going to the NFL, that the
NFL is gonna be my path, right, And there's a
lot of them who are right, and some of them
are going to be are aware enough to say, all right,
I'm not going to the NFL. Let me get as
much money as I can right now. And then you
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have the kids that are like, yo, I'm going to
the NFL, and this situation with this coach, with this
coordinator is the right situation for me, and I'm gonna
stay put. Yeah, somebody else might offer me a little
bit more money. But for a lot of kids, as
long as the money is close and they're in a
good situation already, a lot of them are willing to stay.
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And that's why you've seen there are certain schools that
don't have a lot of kids transfer out, even when
they're not buried on the depth chart, but when they are.
You know, a kid like Kenyon Sadik at Oregon the
second tight end right now, if if he weren't truly
happy there, he would be in the portal because there's
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gonna be a lot of people that will probably offer
him a lot of money this offseason. But maybe he says,
all right, cool, I'm happy in the spot I'm in
right now. I'm gonna shine next year, have a legit
chance to go to the NFL. And let's say somebody
offers him seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars in Oregon
was like, hey, yo, we got we got six twenty
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five for you. Here's the budget, here's what Terence Ferguson
got last year. Here's what we have. You know, what
do you what do you do in that sort of situation?
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Yeah, no, I see what you're talking about. I see
what you're talking about. And I guess maybe where you
could push back. Mike Gundy is also saying like it's
changed because you're allowed. Sometimes it's not just money. If
your position coach leaves and you like that position coach,
Like Kurt Signette, you went from James Madison to Indiana,
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a lot of players followed him. Yeah, they liked him.
They want to go, and you can go now. You know,
I was raised in Arizona. They have like regular marriage
in Arizona, and they have covenant marriage, right, so marriage
covenant marriage is for if you go into the thing
cocky like, hey, we're never gonna split up, and even
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if we do think about it, I want to make
it harder to get divorced. So in a covenant marriage,
if you get that type of marriage, you have like
a one year cooling off period before you can actually
finalize a divorce. A whole year, wow, unless there's like
serious exigent circumstances. Right. So, my bet is if you
took all the people who were in covenant marriages and
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the people who have regular marriage certificates in Arizona, the
divorce rate is lower amongst the the one that's harder
to get out of.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Bet so because that gives you long enough time to
like separate, live somewhere else and then be like, ah, no,
it was better, oh the way.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Yeah. And so like when it used to be that
you had to sit out a whole year, you know,
money or not under the table or not having punishment
for leaving for players, when coaches could just come and
go was a big driver on people just sticking around
on a roster kind of because you had to. So
I do think that that money and player retention is big.
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And I know a lot of coaches don't promise kids
coming in or even transfers anything, but they'll say in
year two we got you.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
If you prove it, we got you. Now you have
to back that up or you lose your credibility big time.
But that's the same in any type of recruiting, right,
So I would say that it's a big factor in
keeping your players. As somebody who all Arizona State, you know,
watching us lose Ricky Piersoll to Florida and then Elijah
Badger to Florida, I know that there are some schools
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that have more money than we do. That that just
is what it is, and you're not going to be
able to retain unless you unless you can up.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Yeah, but how much of that, okay, with with Ricky
Piersaw and with Elijah Badger, right, how much of that
was situation too? Was that they knew that Arizona State
or perceived that Arizona State was going to be bad
last year?
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Yes, I will give you more money to get the ball.
Is as a pretty great recruiting tool.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Yeah, But more money and you will.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Get the ball.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Yeah, And and you'll be on what we believe will
be a good football team, even though that that didn't
turn out to be true with Florida. But but if
you also believe that you're going to be in a
winning situation too, sometimes that matters for players.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Yeah, but sometimes it's about the money. Shout out.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
At the end of the day. It's all when they
say it's not about the money, It's always about the money,
all right. So we also have had players who played
now blasting their universities and everything else. One of them
is Lyndale White over at USA. He is not happy
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with what is going on with Lincoln Riley. There's a
Matt Lionard has recently softened his stance on USC. I
believe after rethinking after listening to a little bit of
George Reister and a little bit of Joel Klatt about
USC because we both share the opinion and I think
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you do too, Ralph, that they're closer than it appears
that when you lose four games by fourteen points against
tough opponents, and these are physical opponents, and you would
have gotten your ass waxed last year and blown out. Yes,
you're moving in the right direction. You got to be
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able to stand a little bit of the growing pains
to be able to get to the actual winning when
the fans want microwave results, when the problem is is
that they got microwave results when Caleb Williams came over
because he was a special college quarterback and his situation
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was that situation was similar to what happened at Michigan
State with Kenneth Walker, right when mel Tucker first got there,
Kenneth Walker gone. What happened, bottom fell out, Caleb Williams gone,
The bottom didn't well, I mean I guess that this
is their version of the bottom falling out, but it
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also fell out last year with Caleb Williams. So they
had to rethink everything, reimagine everything. So why like, I
don't know why anybody expected this season because I talked
to USC fans. I see one every other day in
Terrell Thomas, who played the our daughters are friends. He
coaches at my kids school, and they all expected a
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ten win season out of USC this year. And I
couldn't understand why.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
It could have happened. But I'll tell you what, if
they run it back, same players, same coaches, and I
know that doesn't happen in modern college football, and fans don't.
USC fans don't seem to be interested in that. I'm
telling you, if you run it back with everyone, this
is a ten to eleven win team next year. If
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they continue to progress the way that they're progressing. It's
like walking into a remodel and complaining about the.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Mess exactly exactly. They're command, Oh my god, it looks
Oh what what is that this dust around here? You
got on this wood? Lay it all over the place.
What's what's the tile laying on the floor for? Because
it's a remodel, what are you talking about?
Speaker 2 (10:58):
They have to see it, they have to know. They don't.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
They don't, Ralph, I'm on their message work. They do
not see it. The overwhelming majority do not see.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Team meetings when Lincoln Riley is talking to the players
for him to be like, we're close.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
But the question is do they know what? At what
point in time do they still continue to buy the message?
Because I believe that if he can keep them buying
the message, this will translate over into positive things next season.
If you see blowouts, if they number one, lose to
UCLA or get blown out by like Notre Dame and
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then lose to UCLA, this whole season was wasted. You
would have all the good work that got done would
have been just thrown in the trash and you're gonna
be sorry again next year.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Yeah, I suppose I'm looking at Oklahoma right now. I'm
looking at Oklahoma and I'm like, maybe they're a quarterback away,
or maybe they're toast. We don't know, but we do
know that they weren't ready for this transition to the SEC.
It's pretty clear.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
I don't think they were ready for the Big twelve
this year, let alone the SEC.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Yeah, they score in the Big twelve. When you look
at you look at USC, when you look at where
they were last year when they weren't ready to be
in the PAC twelve, and I can genuinely say, like, oh,
they can play a little bit of Big ten football.
They had five explosive plays against Penn State's defense. They
had five plays for one hundred and ninety one yards
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against a team that averages two yards per rush defensively,
like they are close. They it's just not yet. And
we have professionalized college football, so you can look at
things on an arc you can't. I know they don't
love being five and nine over his last fourteen. I
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would hate that too, But you are, George, Are they
going to be more talented next year than they are
this year?
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (13:06):
And he's this defense working with D'Anton lynn. If he's
still there and they the bottom falling out, might keep
him around, which could be a good thing for them.
You know, I don't know. It feels weird to be
encouraged about a team that just blew it against Maryland
and lost at Minnesota. But we remember, we remember what
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USC had been under you know that Clay Helton. They
were eight and four in his last twelve and they
looked terrible. Yep, Yes, they looked better than this year's
USC team would murder last year's USC team.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Facts Facts now onto Alabama because AJ McCarran is not
feeling what he's watching on television. He's not feeling what's
going on with them, And truthfully, with him, I do
not blame him. I think this is a totally different situation.
But then Kaylyn de Bor missed the mark with the
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Malachi More thing. He did not there was no obvious
punishment that that happened. And with players, players will they're
like our kids. They will consist in whether you're pro player, college,
high school, whatever, they will consistently push the limits until
they know where the line is. And if they step
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over the line, there's no consequence. And then everybody else
sees it. And all you had to do is be like, oh,
I'm sorry, I messed up. Then everybody else is gonna say, oh, okay,
well all right, I'll do it. And then oh, hey, coach,
I'm sorry, I messed up. Oh you know, it's fine, Johnny.
Then that line keeps getting further and further, and then
when you try to draw hard line, everybody say whoa, whoa, whoa,
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why you ain't dot Malachi like that? And then you
had their wide receiver, their five star wide receiver OTUM
retweeting tweets about why you not throwing me to football?
And then you got them shooting jump shots on quarterback sneaks.
That ain't it, fam None of that is it? That's
some the the jump shots on on on the quarterback sneak,
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that's something that we would have seen out of Florida
State's Willie Taggart team.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Were ever in school, We ever in school and your
hardest teacher doesn't show up that day, Yes, and they
got a substitute. And then you turn everybody turns to
that one kid in class and then to see if.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Yeah, if if he's he's if that kid is either
going to be like all right, cool, we chilling to day,
or if the kids like here comes the chaos.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Yeah, and if and and if the teacher doesn't care,
everybody gets their phones out. That's what sets the tone, right. Uh.
When I was a teacher for three years and they
always said, like your most strict time as a teacher
needs to be week one, like syllabus week. You know,
you want to be that substitute that comes in and
you're like, I'm retired military, Yes I saw the battlefield. No,
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I'm not going to tell you if I killed anyone
or not. But if you do want to talk about
what the inside of a man looks like, I can
be pretty descriptive like, well, yeah, yeah, you got to
with yeah, you got to come up with an energy
that gets people back on their heels. And that's we're
learning more about Nick Saban in the years after he's
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gone than I think we did in the time that
he was there about how hard it is to just
keep that death grip on a program, keep people with
the fear of God in them, right, That's tough. That's tough.
And Kaylin de Bors, this is going to be without
turning over the roster. It's going to be very difficult
to get everybody back.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
And it's funny because I actually heard something prior to
the season, because remember when we put out the list
of the teams that would have the most wins over
the over the next five years, people were surprised at
how low Alabama was and and then they started out
the season. Ha, ha, what are you talking about? You
look stupid. Well, here's the thing is, I believe that
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Kaitlyn de Bores year two is gonna be harder than
year one because it's gonna be starting to recruit his
own players. He's actually gonna lose some players into Portal
this year. I do believe some some some pretty good
players that are gonna go to other teams because and
not because he's a bad coach. It's just because they
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they signed up for it, and they were like, I
want the I want the saving treatment, you know. I mean,
like like I want somebody that's gonna be on my
ass constantly because I need that. And there are some
players that realize I need one thing and I need
another thing. Now. He needs to get players that fit
the Kaitlin Debor style because the Saban players doing it
(18:07):
your way that ain't gonna work. So he's got to
get players in to establish his culture and players who
are gonna be able to follow the rules without the
rule of law.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Right, And you're bringing in the best in the country
and you're trying to put them through the pressure cooker
that will make them pros. That's what you have to do,
you know. And so I wish him the best of luck.
But as you've often pointed out when he was at Washington,
he's never had to be a proven recruiter, no, So
you better hope the laundry recruits itself, or that he
(18:41):
elevates his game in that area because where he sets
himself apart is the x'es and o's. But in the
sec sometimes that's not enough. Sometimes it really is just
Jimmy's and Joe's and you go up against teams to
have nine five stars on an eleven person side of
the ball.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
See. I think the hardest part, well, the biggest adjustment
for Kaylyn the Boy is going to be the fact
that he's always been beloved everywhere. He was beloved at
Sue Falls, beloved that Fresno State. They loved him at
Washington instant, instant grits types of results there because he's
a really good coach. But at Bama that there was
(19:22):
no rebuild. There was like they were at the they
were in the College Football Playoff last year. So the
expectation is different. And this is the first time that
he's ever been under this level of scrutiny where where
people aren't like, Kaylyn, you're doing a great job, You're
you're fantastic, you're excellent, you're doing all the right things.
We want you here forever. He ain't hear none of
(19:44):
that right now, he heard it after the Georgia game
and then it all went away. I'm just saying, now
you got James Franklin. He has refused to to talk
about two players who are suspended from the team. They
(20:04):
have rape charges against them and other things as well.
Is James Franklin out of pocket for not wanting, wanting
or addressing these things at all because the media tried
to ask him questions. Their representative said that the school
put out a statement address any questions to the to
(20:25):
the SID or to the athletic department. But they've already
put out a statement been coach James Franklin will not
be addressing it.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
So this is the ultimate like what did you think
would happen? Off? Right? Like James Franklin gets asked a
question by the media and he looks surprised, and it's like, James,
what did you think would happen?
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (20:49):
And then and then he doesn't answer it in the
media and it's like, media, what did you think would happen?
Speaker 1 (20:56):
They should be fired if they refuse to even ask
him the question, right right?
Speaker 2 (21:02):
So you just it. It is what it is like.
It's when an officer walks up to a car that's
been swerving and they knock on the window and they say,
you've been drinking tonight. Why would you ask me that? Yeah,
but like you expect the driver to be like, yes,
but do you expect to.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Ask the question, yes, exactly drunk one?
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Yeah, so you they have to ask. All you have
to say in that situation is like on a we
we've issued a statement on a vice a legal counsel
and not having all the information left. Uh, you know
we we we support any and all victims, you know,
and as stuff comes out about this, perhaps we'll be
able to address in the future. We can't address it
right now. What I can tell you is they're they're
(21:48):
not on our team. They did not meet the standard
of our team. And hopefully a day comes when when
we can have a more open conversation about this. But
for anybody who is, you know, a victim of anything
like this, if my heart's go out to you.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
End of storry, there's nothing else to ask. After that point,
they will stop asking. But the fact that you ignore it,
that's only gonna make investigative reporters dig deeper. Yeah you don't.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Let's bring in Luther the Anger translator to answer the question.
What do you think about those rapes?
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Like what.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
He's getting killed for stepping back like that, and it's
just come on, James exact. But neither one of them
is gonna get anything out of that situation. They issued
a statement the media has to ask, but like, will
you think the coach is going to answer? No, you
just have to ask. And so I don't know. I'm
not mad at James Franklin. It's just not a good look.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Yeah, I'm not mad at him for not answering. He
should have just gave that obligatory non answer that you
just gave. That's it, and then there's nothing else to
ask about it because everybody already sees that that you
gave them that BS answer. So okay, so now we
know we can move on. All right. I need a
(23:07):
straight up answer out of you. Ralph, what is going
on with the Kenny Dillingham at Arizona State kicker situation?
Because they held open tryouts. He went in the media
and was like, basically what it sounded like to me,
because there's a difference in what something what somebody said,
and how people receive it. When he made the comments
(23:31):
about we basically that they have to kick better. We
gotta fit figure out our kicking game. What that sounded
like to me was our kicker suck. We are holding
open tryouts because these dudes are horrible. They lost us
the game. So we'll see if there's anybody else that
we can find to do better.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Yeah, I hate this whole thing.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
So that's what it sounded like.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Yeah, yeah, you know how coaches talk to each other. Yes,
I'll never forget being a freshman in high school and
there's a vent in the door of the coach's office,
and the drinking fountain is right outside the coach's office door.
So I'm there and I'm taking a real long drink
because I can hear the coaches talking about the players. Okay,
(24:17):
and these coaches like, they're so nice and inspirational and motivational,
and they hold you to account and they push you,
but they don't like it's very much for your betterment,
and they're good men. And I have a lot of
them for teachers. And you know, I'm listening to him
sitting around in this room, and I remember one of
them says, I'm gonna have to name drop a dude.
(24:38):
And hopefully he never ever hears this, but I remember
being a freshman. I'll never forget this. And they're going
around talking about the players, and one of the coaches,
the special teams coach, goes, what about Richard Mansfield And
one of the other coaches is like, Mansfield sucks, and
then they all start laughing.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Oh my god, all start laughing.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
I was like at the drinking fountain and I just
kind of like slowly back away because I don't want
to hear what they said about me. Uh. And so
it was one of those things where you realize, like
coaches talk a different way behind closed, they're a little
more honest.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
You know. And we found that out with the Giants
hard knocks this year.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Yeah, yes, yes, And so you know the kicking game
has not been good. It's not a surprise that, you know,
they want the kicking game to be better. Everybody wants
their kicking game to be better. When he sat down
and he blew up their whole kicking room and Arizona
(25:39):
State's weird because they have somebody for kickoffs, somebody for
extra points, and somebody for field goals, three different players, right,
and a punter who's also not playing well. And so
he was like, we're holding open tryout. It was the
type of stuff that I would expect the coaches in
the room together to be like Mansfield sucks, like that's
but not, you know, and he was emotional. He was
(25:59):
from It certainly wasn't something that happened in the fifty
sixth minute of the game. That law a forty eight
yard field goal from a college kicker in the fifty
sixth minute is not what lost you this game. But
it's what he was frustrated about, is what was on
his mind at the time. I had tweeted out a
receipt for a Sun Devil Sun Angel club and I
donation and I just wrote new kicker and I posted
(26:21):
it and I thought it was funny. And then when
I saw what Kenny Dillingham said, I was like, oh no,
like this is going to become an all time pylon
on one dude. So I deleted my tweet and then
I Kennye Dillingham apologized, and then he reached out. He
reached out to me on the side and he's like, hey,
like I didn't mean for and you know, I thought,
I was like, oh no, I deleted my tweet because
(26:43):
I felt like I was piling on like it's enough
when the head coach does it. But yeah, so I
think he thought that I was criticizing him. It is
an emotional thing to do. He apologized. They did hold
a tryout. What's crazy is I host these sun Devils
every Wednesday night. There's a kid named Nolan Krinsky who's
in there all the time, and going back well over
(27:05):
a year, he's talked about his failed attempts to walk on.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
So Nolan Krinsky make the team.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
He tried out yesterday. I don't know if he made
the team yet or not, but he's an aviation student
at ASU and he's been trying to get on the
team forever. He's actually a pretty good kicker.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
His whole life will be accomplished if he gets on
this team, right.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
I mean kind of. He's also like he's a pilot.
He's going to have a decent life regardless. But he
wasn't able to go play college football because there's not
a lot of schools that have aviation schools that needed
a kicker. Yeah, so he's kind of in this situation
where he picked an aviation school and they didn't need
a kicker. Well now they might, so I hope it
(27:48):
works out. For him.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
I do too, dude. I hope this turns into one
of them Disney movies where he ends up kicking the ball.
Then he goes to the NFL, and then he has
to give up being being a pilot because he's an
NFL kicker, and then he goes to go be a
pilot after and we get a chance to see this
school story.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Yeah, I want I want to know someday that, like
after his days as a sun devil, that he's the
one doing the stadium flyover like that would be.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
But all right, next thing up, Washington State and Oregon
State revealed their schedules for next year, and everybody was like, okay, cool,
and then all of a sudden, you do a double
take and you're like, wait, wait what you see something
that you have never I don't ever remember seeing this.
(28:34):
They're playing each other twice in a season. Now, part
of me believes that this is just potentially a placeholder
for an eighth team that may be joining but joining
the Pac twelve because they still need one more team
to be able to field an entire conference, and next
(28:56):
year is the last year that they have to be
able to do it. So it was kind of Comedy
Hour at their expense over that, is that okay to
laugh at them?
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Uh? I don't know. I don't think it's funny. They
were kind of forced into it. But what I'm what
I'm wondering is if that if this George to you,
all the nil stuff that has made college football feel
more like pro football is all stuff I wanted to happen,
(29:32):
and so I'm not mad about it. This definitely makes
it feel more like the NFL.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Yes, because it's like a division. You got a home
and a home.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Yeah, I don't know, I don't. How do you would
you like to see more people do this? I don't,
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
I mean, I mean, if it's gonna be like Georgia
and Bama than Bama and Georgia, or if we're gonna have,
you know, Oregon Ohio State, then Ohio State Oregon. I mean,
of course that sounds cool, but that would actually lead
us to something that actually would benefit college football, which
is not scheduling ten years in advance and making schedules
(30:09):
that actually work. And that's why I'm hoping that the
Big ten SEC where they're talking about the scheduling matchup,
if they do that every year and pick good opponents
against each other. Lord have mercy for the for all
the college football glory, we will be excited about it.
But the next thing that we have to talk about,
(30:31):
and this one is a big one because this one
is the players that could be hitting the transfer portal
this offseason. The quarterbacks in particular, because the past two
years we've seen a bunch of quarterbacks hit the transfer
portal getting big money. But now those guys are aging
out of college football, So now the younger guys actually
(30:54):
have to play. And now that the younger guys are playing,
where will they end up and who will transfer out
of their good circumstances right now to go to greener
pastures And that either means situation or greener or pastors
with boat loads of green money in it. So we
have a list of players and that we believe could
(31:19):
be in the transfer portal after this season. Flora is yours, Sure,
flor is yours?
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Ralph, Yeah, I talk.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
I'm a third person right now.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
I wouldn't mind being George Reister right now. I don't
like this winter weather that's coming my way. I'd love
to be out on the best coast at So I'm
gonna give you a name. You tell me the likelihood
that you think that they'll hit the portal. All right,
So first we'll start with a with an easy one.
(31:58):
Washington State's John Mattier.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Hundred percent, one hundred percent he will be in the
transfer portal next year. Actually, no, no, no, no, I'll give
it a ninety nine point eight percent because there's a
point two percent chance that Washington State's gonna be able
to come up with enough money to keep him. He's
a kid who is gonna be highly sought after because
(32:22):
there are so few quarterbacks available, and he can throw it,
he can run it, he's tough. He's like an upgraded
version of Diego Pavia over at Vanderbilt, and he's gonna
get millions this offseason missed. He may be the three
(32:42):
million dollar quarterback that Michigan's looking for.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
So he's from north of the Dallas Fort Worth area.
Do you think that'll be one of the things that
factors into him being Like, I'm an Oklahoma Sooner because
I wanted to play from friends and family.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Hey, baby, that might be it, because Oklahoma is definitely
gonna be in the transfer portal of market for a quarterback.
Next year.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
Okay, Uh, New Mexico's Devin Dampier. He's kind of like
a poor poor man's John Matteire. I guess I mean
more more of a runner, less of a thrower.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
Oh, I'm gonna go with ninety nine percent too, okay,
and and the one percent is just actually I'm going
one hundred percent. There's no chance he's still there. He
is been balling this year. Somebody's gonna want him, and
somebody is gonna want to pay him at least five
hundred thousand dollars seven hundred and fifty thousand thousand dollars,
(33:44):
and that's gonna be impossible to turn down. But between
the NIO money from the school and the marketing opportunities
of being at a at a P four program are
gonna be too much.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
He's a really specific type of quarterback. Like not everybody's
gonna be able to make use of him. But yeah,
he's He's had a very good duel threat season. All right,
here's one of my favorite quarterbacks in all of college
football right now. I think he's a I think he's
a like certified pro prototypical pocket guy, good leadership, big arm,
(34:24):
doesn't turn the ball, over a lot, and that is
Cincinnati's Brendan Soresby. Okay, six three, two thirty originally from Denton, Texas,
committed to Cincinnati coming off their run to the college
football playoffs. M all right, I'm gonna go with sixty
(34:46):
five percent, Okay, and that thirty five. Yes, there's a
little bit of a money factor, but I do believe
that he's probably one of those kids that's like, I
want to win, and if we're not gonna be able
to win here at Cincinnati, then I'm gonna move elsewhere.
That's what I think is gonna be the biggest difference
(35:06):
and a differentiator for him. Okay, So then we gotta
go next. We gotta go with a player that uh
is is just a lights out passer. Uh somehow still
has eligibility left. He's gonna be one of the one
of the last quarterbacks to have a COVID year and
(35:27):
a red shirt year, and that is fifth year junior
Chandler Morris from North Texas who currently this season has
twenty three touchdowns and eight interceptions on sixty four passing.
He is a gun slinger.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
Yes, somebody gonna want that. Somebody's air raid offense is
gonna want that or somebody that runs a you know,
more of a traditional style offense. That's just like we
can we can riel them in a little bit. But
he's gonna be able to make special plays for us too.
I'm gonna he's at North Texas.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
I'm his third school. This is his third school.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
Oh so so he he ain't got no problem transfer.
He ain't got no problem transfer. So but as long
as he's guaranteed the start, he will he will move
again because he's like, listen, I need to moved two
times already. This time is for the money. So but
but because he's moved three times, he may say I
finally got a good situation here. I'm not moving because like,
(36:36):
I don't want to do it again. So it's either
one of those two things. And so I'm gonna give
him a fifty to fifty shot.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Okay, time to get controversial the next few okay, Eli
Holstein at.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
Ooh so please this will be his third school.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
Pitt fans are always in my mentions anyway, because they've
been mad about Todd Graham for thirteen years and let
it go. So please don't say anything that would upset
them even more.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
Okay. So, so Ralph is the one who brought up
eli Holstein and said that he believes that eli Holstein
will transfer.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
No, I did not.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
I'm gonna go with sixty forty stays okay, because he's
winning at pitt right, what are they six and oh
or seven and oh?
Speaker 2 (37:28):
Right? Now, Yeah, Jordan Addison was winning at pitt too.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
Hey man, that almighty dollar talks and see see for him.
He's playing so well that if he can go to
a potential national championship type situation, he may be the
quarterback to do that. Now, a place that I can
see him going. I won't even name the place yet,
because I do believe that you're gonna name this kid.
(37:54):
So I'm going to hold off on the place where
I think he actually no, he yes, Yes, I'm gonna
hold off on the place simply because I do believe
that you're gonna name this kid.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
Okay, Well, if i'm if I'm University of Pittsburgh, I
have game a reno on the phone with this kid
every single day talking about being the next game.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
Are you better? You better have a money manager on
the phone with him, all right.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
The next one is Miller Moss at USC.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
That's where he might be going. Baby, they might just
swap quarterbacks. Literally, they do it straight up trade, straight
up trade, because Eli hosting a better athlete than people
give him credit for. Now. I remember I saw him
at the Elite eleven out in Los Angeles, I'm known
out in Vegas competing, and I think he had the
(38:43):
highest sparks score because your boy Chiller was like, He's
gonna have the highest spark store ever and he was
close to right.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
So so yeah, so if they quarterback, because Pitt has
already taken a USC guy in Keaton Slova's I think,
and USC has already stolen a pretty good pit player
in Jordan Aison, So I imagine there'd be some emotions involved.
All right, let's let's turn up the heat even more.
Jalen Milroe. Oh, I'm gonna go with Do you think
(39:15):
Jalen Milroe is going to the NFL.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
Not after this year? No, that would not I mean,
it just wouldn't be a wise moves.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
Here's a controversial question. Do you think it's Anthony Richardson's
fault that Jalen Milroe will not go to the NFL
this year?
Speaker 1 (39:30):
No? No, it is Jalen Milroe and their coach's fault
because he's not played particularly well of late. He doesn't
look like he's seeing the field clearly, he doesn't look
like he's ready to go to the NFL. But Jay,
but Anthony Richardson may be the reason why he for
sure would not be a first round pick. That may
(39:52):
be the reason, but I mean he's also because Anthony
richard hadn't played a lot of football games.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
I think Josh Allen is the reason Anthony Richardson was
such a high draft pick. And I think that Anthony
Richardson is the reason that the next like physical freak
will not be.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
Yes, yeah, well then the next physical freak who hasn't
played a lot of football for sure, And.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
Then all right, I'll give you my two that I
think will probably be in the portal.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
Darryl, how to give you the percentage? I think seventy
thirty he stayed, Actually, no, sixty five, thirty five he.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
Stays, Okay, that's pretty good odds. I'm sure Alabama fans would.
I mean, this last game was rough, but he kind
of was carrying him before that. I'll give you my
two that I think will end up in the portal.
I think everybody will be all over Darien Mensa out
of Tulane. It's fantastic quarterback. Beat out my guy ty
Thompson uh and has that offense rolling. And the other
(40:49):
one is Alonza Barrett at JMU. I could totally see
him jumping over to Indiana to continue that the JMU
to Indiana pipeline.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
Hey, that might be it. And you guys, that is
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