January 30, 2025 • 50 mins
On this episode of College Football Apostles, the guys talk about Arch Manning's new NIL deal with Red Bull, and the quote he gave that has Ralph Amsden acting like a hater. George Wrighster brings up a list of On3's top 10 returning QBs in the 2025 season, and explains why it sets unfair expectations for the #1 QB on the list. The guys also talk about a lawsuit filed by a Wisconsin player who started his career at a D2 school, and wants the NCAA to allow the same extended eligibility they've given to former JuCo players like Vanderbilt's Diego Pavia. The ACC released its schedule, and they went heavy on Friday games- George and Ralph explain why, as Pac-12 fans, Fridays aren't the best idea. Finally, Michigan is pushing back on the NCAA's findings in the Connor Stallions investigation, and George and Ralph give their thoughts on whether that's the right move for the Wolverines.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
I'm George Reister, He's Ralph Amson, and this is the
College Football Apostles and we got a lot to talk
about today. Now we got to talk a little bit
about Arch Manning and in the comments, Texas fans have
not been expressively happy because they like, you're talking about
our guy. Well, can he live up to this hype?
(00:21):
And he's got a new Red Bull deal that absolutely
contradicts everything that he said. I'm not mad at him,
but Ralphis now there is a new lawsuit when it
comes to the NC DOUBLEA, the Diego Pavia Juco thing,
but now it's for Division two players. How would this
impact everything? And will this settlement ever get finished? I
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say no. The ACC releases its schedule, This impacts Notre Dame,
this impacts their TV contract with ESPN, and also they
are not playing on Saturdays as much as they need
to be playing on Saturday. And their A list came
out from on three of the top returning quarterbacks for
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twenty twenty five, and we got to dive into that.
And Michigan responds to the Connor Stallions' allegations. They're fighting back.
That and more here on the College Football Apostles, make
sure that you like, subscribe, get notifications, and tell a
friend about the show. Let's get to it, all, right,
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we gotta start with that boy, arch Oh. Listen. Archie
is the most anticipated, the most hyped up college quarterback
that we've had, probably since like Trevor Lawrence and now
Trevor Lawrence, Andrew Luck all of those and now and
we talked on the other show about can he live
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up to that high? But now he has done something
that has rubbed Ralph the wrong way. Now, if we
go back to last year when the NCAA game was
getting ready to come out, during this time, all the
college players are signing their rights away for like six
hundred bucks a free copy of the game, and obviously
some people negotiated higher deals. And I remember arch Manning
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said he's not doing it because he wants to focus
on football. And what did I say then, Ralph?
Speaker 2 (02:28):
That he was lying, yes, and that he was going
to get made a whole video about it.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Yes, and that he was going to get a big bag.
I told you, I knew what was going to happen,
So I don't even know why you're upset about this.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
That was corny. This is corny, he's corny.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
So here is what Ralph feels this corny. So he's
got a new nil deal, this time it's with red Bull,
and he says, quote, I'm focused on playing foot. Well,
that's what I love to do. I'm not here to
do nil deals. Those are extra curriculars. But I'd like
to drink a red Bull every now and then. What's
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the problem with this?
Speaker 2 (03:13):
The fake humility, the fake humility, I'm not here to
do nil deals. Buddy, your recruiting trip cost a quarter
of a million dollars?
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Is it he being? But is there a world, Ralph
that you're being overly sensitive? And and he is being
cheeky here as as the as our friends across the
pond would say, isn't he trying to make a joke
right here?
Speaker 3 (03:40):
What's the joke?
Speaker 1 (03:42):
I'm not do n IL deals even though I.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Have health deals.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Well, this is this is like a and this is
some like federal politician level gaslighting, red meat for the
masses of college football fans with purchasing power, the blue hairs,
the old people who hate an il. So you throw
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them this bone and saying like, hey, I don't like
it either, but I'll drink a red bull and you
should too.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Shut up, shup up. You're so stupid.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Rah rah. He is a Do you understand that the
mining family is about that bread? Like you know that
and there's no problem.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Are no problem with the bread, There's no problem with it.
I told you that I didn't like what and you
didn't either. You didn't either at the time. I don't
know why I'm so much more annoyed than you at
this point. Maybe it's because you were right, and you
like being right. You get off on it. You gotta.
I mean a lot of people got a kink for
being right, but I just, dude, this kid is getting
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on my nerves.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
It was.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
It's one thing that a lot of the recruiting rankings
were driven by his last name. We like, we know
that because if he was the number one, like if
he if he was who he says he is, he
would have been playing. Not if he was who he
says he is, If he was who everybody that matters
says he is, that gave him that fifth star, that
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said he's going to be a first round pick. He
would have played as a freshman or a sophomore more
than just garbage time or in a case of injury,
which means we got to admit something about quin Ewers
that maybe we're not willing to admit that he was
better than arch Manning was well, and that's a completely.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Sark wasn't gonna bench yours. He's loyal to him.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Oh yes, super loyal, They asked Washington fans, how loyal
Steve sarkisian is?
Speaker 1 (05:54):
What do you mean?
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Did he not leave.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
For a check?
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (06:01):
It? Look, look who cares?
Speaker 3 (06:03):
Who cares?
Speaker 2 (06:03):
None of this stuff matters. What bothered me about the
NC double A thing is the implication to his teammates
who did opt in, that they're not focused on football
and he's a backup. He's a backup out here issuing
a statement that makes him talk talking like a start.
Hates to quote Drake right before Kendrick performs in the
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Super Bowl, but bench players talking like starters.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
I hate it.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
So it was already the implication that if you accepted
a deal with NC double A, you weren't focused on
football was a very dumb thing to do. And a
lot of college kids they don't have time to take
offense to something like that, but I do. I found
it offensive and stupid. You made a video about it,
and now he's saying that like, hey, I'm not here
to do nil deals, then don't take them.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Then don't ro You are one hundred percent right. Let
me explain this. You are one hundred percent right that
him do it? That that yes, that the that him
saying that I'm focused on football and all of that stuff.
And I told you that it was a It was
a ploye to get more money. It was a negotiating tactic,
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and it was also to and either that or it
was to generate some buzz surrounding Arch, right and then
knowing that they were going to circle back and do
this whole campaign about him in the game after either
I mean, but but that would be a lot of
doing for a backup, which was going to be last year.
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But here's the thing is, I don't know. I don't
believe that they were intending on necessarily him being a
backup all year that because remember what I told you
that was coming out of Texas was was that was
that Hewers was the guy. However, if he didn't play well,
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and that Arch would play in the first few games
some and that if he didn't beat Michigan or if
he looked bad in any of those games, then there
could be a takeover and Archist stats pull up, pull
up archers stats for US.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Ralph, No, that what he has? Like eight touchdowns against
UH Citadel. He played one meaningful game. I'm not pulling
up why why are I gonna pull up a backup stats?
I'm focused on this show. I'm not here to stats.
I'm focused on this show. See, because you can only
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focus on one thing at a time. That's why I'm
so mad at Arch. He's the old boomers believe some
of the dumbest They cling to some of the dumbest beliefs,
and they're gonna die with these dumb beliefs. Finds are
feeding into them, like the idea that you can only
focus on football.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
This is the type of thing that makes.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Lions fans blame Ben Johnson for taking an interview when
he had two weeks to prepare for a football game. Yeah,
Arch Manning is feeding some of the dumbest ideas we
have in our society, which is that if you accept
a check, you can't focus on football.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Well, then, how all right, Ralph? I got you here,
everybody under the everybody listening to this, I got you.
I got you, so, Ralph, So you're annoyed with Arch Manning? Right?
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Oh my god?
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Okay, So this is the most annoying I've been with
an athlete since Brady Quinn did those Myoplex commercials where
he's trying to be a bodybuild and he's like, now
I'm done like that. That's been twenty years and I
still think about that commercial every single day. That's how
dumb this quote is about this red Bull deal.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Okay, cool? So Arch is getting this check and that's
and and you don't like the wording surrounding it. So no,
how about how about this? Because the list of the
most impactful potential quot quarterbacks for next season came out
and your boy is.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Leading the list.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Oh boy boy? Hey? Uh hate this?
Speaker 3 (10:12):
No?
Speaker 2 (10:12):
I do hate it. That's rat poison. You and I
had a private phone conversation two days ago about the
dangers of over hping Sam Levitt, and then on three
comes out with the list putting him like what he's
he like eight spots above?
Speaker 3 (10:27):
Ki, bro, here's why.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
So I believe that Sam Levitt. Dude, this the effusive
praise for Sam Levitt. It is people watch hate.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
People have only watched one game.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Correct. I hate this And it's not that I think
the kid sucks, because I don't. I believe he got
progressively better last year. Where he couldn't throw the ball
well in the beginning of the season, he got better
and better. And I do believe the kid is a
good quarterback. However, Arizona State season last year was such
an outlier from what reasonable expectations were that it feels
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like anything short of a playoff appearance is a letdown
for this season. And I don't think Arizona State is
going to make the playoff for a second year in
a row. I think that cam Scattaboo and this season
were absolute magic. Do I believe that they'll win somewhere
in between like eight and ten games? Yes? Do I
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need to see them in the spring and the portal, Yes,
But I think this team will win in between eight
and ten games this year, which which would still mean
Kenny Dillingham is way ahead of schedule, way on the
right track all of those things. But Sam Levitt being
number one on this list.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Is do do you have the list up on the screen?
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Okay, okay, I want to do a little thought exercise
with you. Okay, because this list is egregious h and
the thing that sticks out really is the same Levit thing.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Because okay, so let me let me give the list
first to the people who are listening on audio.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Of course.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
So you got Sam Levitt one, Drew Aller two, Drew
Alis should probably be number one on this list, and no,
I'm saying based upon what he's actually actually Kate Clubnick
should probably.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Keep it rolling, keep it rolling, because I got I
got something for you, I got something for you.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Sam Levitt one, Drew Aller two, DJ Lagway three, Arch
Manning four, Garrett I'm sorry, Leonora Sellers five, Damn he
could be number one two, Garrett Nussmeyer six, Carson Beck
seven he should be thirteen, Kate Club Nick eight, John
Mattier nine, and Nico E I'm a lava number seven,
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I mean number ten.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Okay, are you ready? Okay, flip it. If you flip this.
I have not many problems with it, and I know
it's predictive. I know it's somebody's opinion. I know it's
meant to start discussion, but you shouldn't come out with
a list where someone says reverse it completely and it
will make more sense.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Yeah, if you put Niko one, I wouldn't argue with
and that he made a jump, but he played in
a lot of meaningful games. And then John Materiat two.
I definitely do not hate that because John Materia two,
John Matier was the best quarterback available in free agency
this year period, probably the best player available period. Yes,
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and I think Leonora's sellers could be higher, but based
upon what they did and their team accomplishment last year,
I would either put Kate club Nick one or Drew
all or one, and then John Matier two. I'm actually
super excited about DJ Lagway. I would put for safety's sake,
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I would put Sam Levitt in the middle, and then
Carson Beck would be ten. Nuss Meyer would be like nine,
Arts would be prop eight. Yeah, somewhere around there.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Okay, And now I know a couple of these guys
moved in uh well one of them in what world?
In what plan? What planet? Will six of the top
ten quarterbacks in any given season be in the SEC
in what world? And that's including Carson Beck leaving, so
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technically seven or I guess you could go back to
six because John Tier came from Washington State or whatever.
But six of the top ten quarterbacks in any given
season being from the SEC.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Never gonna happen, Ralph, you just pointed out a genius point, Bro.
So you got DJ Lagway, arch Manning, Lenora Sellers, Garrett Nussmeier,
Jeohn Materier, and uh Nico e Amaliva from the same
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from the same damn conference. Come on, come on, bro,
stop it, stop it. I mean, I guess there was
a year where the Pac twelve did have like all
the best quarterbacks in the in.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
The Yeah, but that doesn't happen in the SEC like it,
Just like with the the not everybody has moved on
to that style of us.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Not on this list. That absolutely. On one hand, I'm
happy that he's not on this list. He's not on
the preseason Heisman list, none of this. But the dude
that might be better than all of these dudes.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
On the list, Dante Moore.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Dante Moore. People have completely forgotten about the kid because
he transferred from UCLA. Even some Oregon fans have said,
oh my god, what are we gonna do it? Quarterback?
Like Bro, the the sentiment surrounding Oregon is the exact
same way it was. I think it was in twenty ten,
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when I was in Arizona at the Fiesta Bowl, the
National championship that they were gonna put. Oregon was gonna
play against Auburn and they told me they said. I
was talking to the coaches. I was like, man, win
or lose, Bro, We're gonna be back next year. Darren
Thomas is gonna be back at quarterback. And they were like,
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WHOA slow down. I was like, what are you talking about.
He's taking a team to a Rose Bowl then a
damn national championship. What do you I was like, is
he going to the NFL? He shouldn't. They were like, nah, bro,
we got this kid on the bench named Marcus Mariota.
I was like, okay, so what's I.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
Was like a freshman.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
They were like yes, Bro, They're like, so he's he's
probably gonna be our starter because you know, Darren's not
gonna want on a obviously, you know, compete for his
job or potentially lose his job, but we think he's better.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Yeah, I am on this list. For me, there's no
Eli Holstein, which.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Why is Eli hosting not on this list?
Speaker 3 (17:18):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (17:18):
And then if we're just planning for guys that you know,
I was probably.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
This list for Eli Holsting and a heartbeat Julian saying also,
like you look at the situation he's gonna go into,
you got to say, like, I don't it's possible on
the list because we have not seen in a single
solitary like throw from him.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Have we No. But if we're going to say people
that we've seen, like go off poor Man's John Mattier
as far as what he produced and where he produced it.
Last year, you've got Devin damp here going to Utah
like there's yeah, I don't know, there's just I And
then think of, yeah, how far how far our guy
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at Arizona has fallen? Or they're just saying without team
AC he's no, yep, yeah, without team Akkey's nothing. But
I don't know as the list as it stands, if
you reversed it, it would be a lot more digestible
for me. But when you put somebody in a number
one spot, you said, you know you don't think Arizona
State is going to make the college football Playoff in
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twenty twenty five six.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Well that's the expectation.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
If you say they have the best returning quarterback in
the country.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Yes, yes, I do believe that Utah is gonna win
the conference. The Big twelve.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
Oh yeah, that'll be man. That would piss Big twelve
fans off so much.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
To have Arizona State and then Utah and the backet
with yeah, yeah, that's that's just what I believe is
going to happen. All right, next thing up. Okay, so
eligibility matters and D two well, we already know about
the Diego Pavia lawsuit. So the Diego Pavia lawsuit essentially
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made JUCO players their Juco years not count because when
they transfer to Division one, they have all their eligibility left.
Because Juco's like a disco with books. It is good
for people. It is like, especially if you're on an
academic path, college is very expensive. It's actually a very
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smart and affordable way to go to CO like it
is like there's nothing. So I'm in no way, shape
form or fashion like minimizing jucos because they are important.
Aaron Rodgers went to a Jugu. There's a lot of
people going to juos. It also is not the level
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of football that's going to prepare you for the next level.
So I'm not mad at the Diego Pavia rule. But
the Division two players are now saying, what about us?
What about us? Because we should get that same treatment
when we transfer up to Division one. Now I don't
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share that same opinion, Ralph.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
To be super clear, To be super clear, the JUCO
lawsuit hasn't done anything yet other than make the NCAA
back off for one year on guys who would have
graduated in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Right on you. Once you give an inch there, it's
it's that. It's it's like I sawkat Williams Special. He
was like, as you get older, have you ever noticed
that when you put on that you can't put on
ten pounds when you when you're twenty, in your twenties,
five pounds, you're like, oh my god, I take a dump.
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But then when you get in your forties you put
on ten ten pounds, you look, it ain't going to
where it stuck with you for life at that point.
That's the way it is with the Double A. Every
time they lose an inch, it's like losing an inch
with your kids. You lose an inch with forget that
inch is gone.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Yeah, okay, so you anticipate this go but as far
as it goes right now, it's just an emergency injunction
for a one year thing. That's why Diego Pabia gets
to come back to And I noticed he wasn't on
that list.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
On that top you had your adjunction also for the
transfer portal. You had injunctions for all of that too.
Every inch, every inch lost, is an inch gone. But
to be very clear, quote don't let don't let people
borrow money unless you intend not to get it back.
If you can afford not to get it back, then
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you should let them borrow it.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
So, but to be really clear, NC double A is
different than the n cj AA or whatever, or the
one that's based out of Call of California or ng
A c A. There's two different juco associations. Neither one
of them are affiliated with the NC double A at all.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Correct, where Division two is affiliated with the Double A.
So yeah, it's not the same thing to me. And yes,
I know that everybody wants more time, more opportunities, but
I you know.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
So this is and this is a Wisconsin kid. This
is a Wisconsin kid that filed this lawsuit that that
would get one more year nizer for Currion. Yes, and
he played at Grand Valley state and wants another year
at Wisconsin.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Hell, I would want another year with Wisconsin too. That's
another year of n I own money, another year of
free tuition, and another year of an opportunity to be
good enough to go to the NFL. I don't blame
him for wanting another year.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Do you think the NC doublation throw Wisconsin a bone?
After what just happened with the dB. The dB that
everyone knew wanted to go to Miami and Darren Heidner
helped him back out of He just unenrolled from Wisconsin
after they wouldn't grant his entry into the portal and
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enrolled at at Miami to show that the transfer portal
actually isn't real.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Yeah, you don't even need to hop in the transfer
portal to transfer and be eligible in school, disenroll, and
then re enroll in school. So I don't think that Ralph.
I don't believe that Division two athletes should be able
to when they transferred to Division one get an extra
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year four years for those years that they were there.
I believe that you earned your way up, that you
did all of those things. But they're like, there's got
to be a clock on these things, right, Yeah, like
there has to be a clock, and we have already
seen with that additional COVID year how that impacted. And
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then players who had to sit out that year got
another year on top of that year. Dude, Like we
got dudes on there that aren't even medicals that are
on like year seven in college football, they didn't even
get a medical year. So I do believe that like
that play five, that you get five to play five
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is fine with me. Like, I'm I think that that's
probably the answer the way we're not worried about red
shirts and all of that stuff. Bro, you get five
to play five and then in rare circumstances will grant
you another year. That's all I got for you.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
I think I think University of Phoenix should start a
team because it's adult learning institution.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
Oh my god, so that bro, do you know the
pool of play?
Speaker 2 (24:57):
We should get a pool. We should get like a
twenty three to twenty six league.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Yeah, hey, because because you know what, then the next
lawsuit is going to be.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Eligibility is faceys schools? Oh that would be so brutal.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
You don't you don't think that would be the next step?
Speaker 2 (25:18):
Oh, I definitely think it is but D one to
D one or any transfer or just people should leave
whenever they want to or because technically.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
That is going to be the next thing. It is
going to be somebody's gonna follow lawsuit. I want my
FCS years back because I transferred to the FBS. Then
it's gonna be all right. Man, I went from group
of five to power five. I need another year. Well,
technic gotta stop somewhere. Yeah, at some point in time. Now,
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I tell the kids all the time, you are supposed
to be open minded. You are supposed to care about people.
You are supposed to listen to their plight. Try to
sew like you're supposed to be minded, but do not
be so open minded that your brains fall out.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
Yeah, I so this is going to be the worst
comparison of all time. Look forward to you having a
new college football Apostles co host after this one. But
I if you read history books, right, if you read
history books, there was like probably a seventy eighty year
period where America's greatest men and thinkers and orators and
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politicians were all kind and even people who were slave owners,
but they were all kind of in unison of like, yeah,
you're right, slavery's probably bad. But if we free everybody,
then we have to figure out everything else. Right, you
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got to figure out.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
To figure out how to how to get the labor
and pay for the labor and do all of these
things free people.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
But so they went, they went generations past when when
they all pretty much knew that it had to come
to an end.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
And because yes, yes, they keep kicking the can down
down down the street, and they're like, oh well, we'll
let the kids worry about that.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
One, right, and that I so that, But the nc
double A for the longest time, they knew eventually they're
going to get taken to court, they're gonna get their
clock clean, and then they were gonna have to deal
with every single other issue. And it's starting to seem
like just a will to not deal with the obvious
issues and lines we've drawn in college football, then it
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was to defend anaturism.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
So so the the House settlement that was approved, my
son who's in college, sent me the link for the
for you to apply for that money, right and how
much you're gonna get and everything else, Like there are
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players that I know that play during that time. They're
anticipating fifty thousand dollars checks, one hundred thousand dollars checks,
all sorts of stuff, right Like, I've seen kids that
are anywhere between like six hundred bucks and one hundred
thousand based upon the calculation in the settlement. Thing. The
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settlement's not approved. They have until Friday the thirty first
for all objections to be in. There are already like
thirteen or fourteen objections in already rolf. There is a
unless they just march forward and are like middle finger
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to everybody, this thing is not getting approved. There are
new lawsuits keep coming up every thirty six seconds. There
are so many problems. There are Title nine problems with
the with the revenue sharing, with the with the past payments.
Why does it only stop here? Why doesn't it go
for dude? It is a It is an avalanche of
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of nonsense. It would be bread. It would be much
better for for the NCAA to do what people do
in life when they have just fed up everything, file bankruptcy,
file bankruptcy, right like, they need to essentially file bankrupt
file Chapter eleven and close down the whole business and
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reopened under a different name with different rules, and like
just just start it over instead of keep putting these
dumb ass band aids on everything. Ball it up, throw
it in the trash, start over.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
That's take a queue from the American government and put
a chaos agent in charge who just changes the rules
every fifteen seconds. So you so all you have is
people just begging for a normal day that I don't
I honestly don't know what the NCAA is gonna do.
And one of the worst things is it's giving credence
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to these people saying that NIL ruined college football. No,
the NCAA ruined college football by not acting thirty years
ago when they started to allow coaches to take checks
directly from apparel companies, when you allowed everyone to get
rich except for the labor force. And then you get
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surprised when people compare it to slavery, because oh, well,
they got there, they got their education paid for. You
don't think forced labor, indentured servitude were given the tools
and ability to learn a trade. They were given the
ability to learn a trade so that they could help
the people that owned them. That's why check your equipment,
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your schooling, everything was office equipment. It was all to
edify and enrich. The NC double A is a system.
I don't if that makes me sound like a crazy
lib it is what it is. The fact of the
matter is everyone got rich except for the labor force.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
Yep, dude. My freshman year when I was at Oregon,
so before you play a game, before you do anything,
they take you like. We practiced for a few days.
Then we had a meeting that that night. It was
a compliance meeting. Everybody has to sign these papers, all
of this stuff like to be you know, like the
paperwork to be eligible and the NC double A government.
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And I remember my freshman y or mind you, I'm
eighteen years old and I have no idea about the
legalities of things and everything. But they said that, yeah,
you guys are gonna sign this paper. The NC double
A is gonna be able to use your name, image
and likeness in perpetuity. Blah blah blah. Just glanced over it.
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Me me being questioning man that I am, even at eighteen.
I was like, okay, cool, I don't want to sign
that paper, I said, I did not want to sign up.
I was like, this makes no sense. Why would they
own my name, image and likeness and perpetuity perpetuity means forever, right,
And they were like, well, you have to sign the paper.
I'm not signing the paper. Well if you can't sign it,
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if you don't sign a paper, you can't play. They
had to call my parents, we had to call the
compliance department. Bro, I've ran this all the way up.
I had no clue. I just knew it was wrong.
And they were like, brothers, you cannot play if you
do not sign this paper. Is what we got to
And so I signed the paper, but I knew it
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was wrong in the moment. I just didn't have a choice.
I mean, I guess I did have a choice to
not play college football, But what kind of choice is that?
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Right?
Speaker 3 (32:57):
Right?
Speaker 2 (32:58):
And so it's very possible we move into the direction
of what baseball has going on. And people will tell
you there is no interest at all in minor league baseball.
But you think the NFL is going to help the
NCAA get more popular. They're already putting games on Saturdays.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
Well, now they're going to schedule with the college football
to try to Because here's the thing the NFL at least,
because I was talking to somebody who worked at Nike
about this, about why the NFL just throws the bird
to the NBA because them adding this eighteenth game, that's
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going to happen. The NFL is either going to have
to back the season up a week, start a week earlier,
so start before Labor Day, or they're going to have
to start or they're going to have to finish a
week later, which then what is the week after the
Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Ralph or two start game?
Speaker 1 (33:57):
Yep, Star yep, the All Star Games a week after.
The NBA already moved the All Star Game once, it
moved it from before the Super Bowl, like that weekend
before the Super Bowl two. They moved it back now
after the Super Bowl so they can have their own weekend.
So football's finished. Well, the NFL ad the eighteenth game.
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They've already taken Christmas like they just stomp on the NBA.
But at least with the NFL, I mean with college football,
the NFL actually has a vested interest in the players
and a relationship with the NCAA because they want the
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top players out of college to be huge stars so
then when they go to the draft, the fans can
be excited know who the player that's So that's where
the relationship is.
Speaker 3 (34:53):
We want that.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
They want that in theory, but if it comes down
to bigger stars entering the NFL, a bigger paycheck from
the TV payouts, they picked TV every time, which brings
us to our next topic, the ACC.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
Okay, so high school ut football, Okay, so tell me
about these games. Okay, I'm gonna listen, James to you.
Kennesaw State at wake Forest on August twenty ninth. How
does the Colgate at Syracuse? They're like, okay, no big deal.
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Florida State at Virginia My Louisville. Louis said that all weird.
I said, said that, like the Jacksonville head coach Duvo.
Louisville at Miami.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
That's the biggest day games of the year.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
North Carolina at cal Cal at Virginia Tech. Damn they
back to back weeks. North Carolina at Syracuse, Clemson at Louisville,
Florida State at NC State, Georgia at Georgia Tech. Those
all sound like good football games except for the first two, right.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Yep, yep. No, that's seven great football games. The last seven.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
They're all on Fridays. Ralph, all of those games are
on Fridays. So the ACC is doing what the PAC
twelve did was like, hey, we'll get people to watch
our games on Fridays. But the ratings say that people
are not going to watch those games on Friday, not
nearly at the level that they would watch them on Saturday.
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So if they get if you do two million on
a Friday, you've done a great thing. That's like four
million on a Saturday, four million plus actually four maybe
five million on a Saturday. So the ACC is watering
down its product, the availability, and now like, so, now
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I gotta choose between going to a big time high
school football game and watching Florida State at Virginia.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
And look at dude, look at Louisville. Louisville's got their
game against Miami and their game against Clemson, both on Fridays.
That means that if Louisville comes out and they're on
a heater next year, that you've eliminated their two best
opportunities to get college game day.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
Damn.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
And the ESPN is who drove this decision to put
these games on Friday anyway.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
Yeah, yeah, it's just a reinforcement Texas.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
Yeah, this is a second class citizen league. ESPN and
and the ACC are collaborating to make sure everybody knows
that you're gonna have Bill Belichick twice on Friday nights.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
Who's gonna watch it? Because the see here here. The
other problem is the recruiting problem. Kids are playing on
Fridays and you can't even get them on campus to
your games on Fridays. This is why I hate Friday
night games. I understand that they exist for a reason,
but but these big times, but all of these a
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SEC games on Friday is bad for the conference.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
Well, so let's say you're CAL Berkeley, right, so your
your Cal. You uh, you are a prestigious academic institution.
You don't recruit nationally in the way that Stanford recruits nationally,
but you you do get who you can.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
Right, You've gotten kids from from the Southeast and they've
been some of your best players.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
Jared Kiwi sup into it, Telly.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
Yeah, they got him out at a Hawaii like they
recruit nationally Cal does.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
Now you have the opportunity to go out to North Carolina,
which is a second tier football state as far as
high school football. They got they got a lot of
really really good options. Right, you get the opportunity to
go out to North Carolina because you had to join
up with the ACC. And you say to yourself, well,
at least on that Friday night, we can get our
coaches out to some games to see if we can't
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boost our recruiting profile, convince some people to move out
to the Bay.
Speaker 3 (39:23):
No, you can't because your game.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
So you actually wasted a trip to the damn East
Coast right because your game against Virginia Tech at school
on Thursday instead of Actually, but then you're not even
gonna see them at school on Thursday because you've got
to be in practice.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
Yeah, and you're not and yeah, and then your school
week has an interruption because then you got to travel
on a Wednesday instead of a instead of a Friday,
because you're playing on Friday. So it's I don't know,
I've never liked Friday. I've always been against Friday games.
I think Saturday is for college football. But the ACC
intentionally doing what I mean this used to be the
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PAC twelve apostles. We watched the conference fall apart. To
watch the ACC do this fascinating. But they're also doing
it on the heels of signing or essentially like locking
in with ESPN until twenty thirty six.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
Yes, exactly, all right, final thing up. So the Michigan Wolverines,
they have now gone on the offensive against the NCUBA,
with the Connor Stallions, lawsuits and you know, accusations and everything.
They are going on the offensive and they're saying, you
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know what, we did some of what you said, but
not all of it. So we don't want no heavy punishment.
We are going to And I love this. I think
that USC should have done this when it came to
Reggie Bush, that yes, you were supposed to fight even
if you I mean, our legal system teaches us this.
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I see you on tape stealing boxes, I saw you
hit her, I saw shit. But how do you how
do you please not guilty? And and and this drives
normal humans crazy because they're like, what do you mean
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not guilty?
Speaker 3 (41:27):
We see you doing it.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
But here's the thing it is, and it teaches us
to fight to the death and try to get your
punishment lower. And that's exactly what Michigan is doing. This
is not about them coming out smelling like roses. This
is about Michigan is in a they feel like they're
in a good spot football wise, and they don't want
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to end up losing recruits, players going into transfer portal
because they got a bowld band and all of this stuff.
This is this is why they're fighting it. It has
nothing to do with whether they believe that they're guilty
or innocent or anything else, because they're copping to some
of it. But they're saying, I wasn't as bad as
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you think. Other people are doing it this like they
are trying. They want this punishment when it comes down
to be as minimal as possible.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
Yeah, I mean that's what you that's what lawyers do.
They're gonna fight. I I'm not one hundred percent sure
it's their best option, but I guess they leave the
door open to always just turn around and cooperate. You know,
I guess if you you got to push back to
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a certain extent. The lawyers for Michigan saying that like
you can't prove it, you can't prove it, and you
can't prove its impact is is strange because it's either
a rule violation or it's not. And so to get
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into the nitty gritty and say like that, because what
they said about the Connor Stallions h paying for people's
tickets to film sidelines doing advanced scouting using video to
do it. That what they're saying is that, like you
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can't prove that impact of that, yes, which is a
then why like why do it? If it if it
provides you negligible advantage, why even do it?
Speaker 3 (43:46):
And so.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
Michigan is they're wilding out on this. To me, Sharon
Moore has deleted text messages to Connor Stallions the end. Yeah, right,
and they've chosen to stand by Sharon Moore. I I
personally know that. I sure we've talked about it on
this show. So it's no surprise Sharon Moore. When Jim
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Harbaugh was the coach, he was tampering. I told you
a player was going to Michigan while he was still
on the roster of another school. I told you it
was Sharon Moore who reached out to and then that
exact thing ended up happening. Like they were, they were
doing whatever was available to them to be successful. And
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now if they want to turn around and say, yeah,
you caught us, but it really wasn't that big of
a deal. And so you know, we don't want to
have all of the punishments in the world. I guess
I look at what Arizona State went through, and you know,
they also it was a self reported deal. And that's
what Michigan is saying that this is it kind of
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sounds like they're trying to fish out a rat a
little bit in reading the that they're saying the NCUBA
is basing way too much on witness testimony, which is
essentially hearsay, because how can you just straight up believe
somebody if we've gone and deleted text messages, you don't
know what they said. And the NCAA is trying to say, like, well,
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the deleted text messages are the point, yes, And Michigan's
layers are like, nuh uh. They could have been about
lunch orders. So you know, if you want to get
into the nitty grip, I think it just keeps it
in the news cycle.
Speaker 1 (45:30):
There's a difference. See, this is why there's a difference
between civil lawsuits and criminal lawsuits. Criminal lawsuits beyond a
reasonable doubt, civil lawsuits more likely than not, Like you're
dealing with fifty one forty nine and reasonable people are like,
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I mean, it's it's like the whole idea of like
what would a guilt the person do. The problem with
it is is that sometimes people panic and do weird
stuff even when they're innocent. That's the issue. So Michigan
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is smart for fighting this. Are they right? Probably not?
But who's right who's wrong in this world?
Speaker 2 (46:26):
At the end of the day, Sharon Moore deleted fifty
text messages to Connor Stallion's on the day that Yahoo
Sports broke the story, Like, if I'm the NC DOUABLEA,
what I offer in a Michigan it is give us
the text messages. Because Sharon Moore can do that. He
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can go through his wireless carrier, he can everything's backed up.
Give us the text messages and will We're more interested
in the truth and how to prevent this next time
than we are in punishing you. The investigation essentially is
the punishment. That's how it was for Arizona State. Give
us the texts. You give us the texts.
Speaker 1 (47:09):
Let's see the text.
Speaker 2 (47:11):
Yeah, Because I would at this point, if I'm the
NC double A, I would rather wrap this up and
be correct than be overly punitive because Michigan is not
giving back a national title and any sanctions that affect
Michigan in the future, They're going to continue to fight forever.
So if I'm the NC double A, I say those
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fifty two text messages and we'll call we'll call it,
We'll just call it. Even we're going to show cause
Connor stallions because you can't do what he did. Yes,
but those text messages, And if Michigan doesn't agree, then
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then the NC double A is like f you, then.
Speaker 1 (47:57):
Bro those texts. I just can't even image and what
the hell is in those texts? It could be something
not that big of a deal, or it could be
something that is a major deal. I need that phone
about you, And I would be willing to bet that
Michigan confiscated that phone because if it were the work phone,
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they can access that and they can go back and
you know, forensically figure out what was deleted in everything else.
Speaker 2 (48:29):
This is the type of stuff that if you fight
it too hard, what you're going to end up with
is college coaches, all recruiting, everything is going to have
to take place in a trackable system like teams or
something like that, and then any communication outside of the
recruiting platform and the coach communication platform is going to
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be considered an infraction. That's what you're going to end
up with is all communication of any kind is going
to have to exist in a place where where all
out in the open, assuming the NC DOUBLEA retains any
power whatsoever. But if I'm the NC double A, that's
what I'm going to end up doing. I'm going to
get get everybody on Microsoft teams and say, like if
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if you're if your coach is talking to coach, and
then you have to you have to employ somebody who's
essentially like the ia B of your college to track
to make sure that everybody's doing stuff that they should,
flagging anything that they shouldn't and addressing it like you're
You're gonna end up with a really, really in depth
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tracking system for all communications just because one person doesn't
want to turn his text messages over because they definitely
implicate him. Yeah, Michigan fans are going to say, like,
we that were harping on a thing that doesn't matter.
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If it didn't matter, why delete the text. Any Michigan fan,
if Ohio State was going through this right now, would
be saying the same thing. So I don't I don't
have any sympathy from They got a national championship out
of the deal. No one's coming to take it away.
Zero sympathy for Michigan fans. I don't care how sick
of it they are. I don't care how much they
hate the Ncuba. Where are the text messages? That's the
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end of the conversation, that.
Speaker 1 (50:18):
The text You are and you guys. That is the
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Catch you guys next week.
I'm George Reister, He's Ralph Amson, and this is the
College Football Apostles and we got a lot to talk
about today. Now we got to talk a little bit
about Arch Manning and in the comments, Texas fans have
not been expressively happy because they like, you're talking about
our guy. Well, can he live up to this hype?
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And he's got a new Red Bull deal that absolutely
contradicts everything that he said. I'm not mad at him,
but Ralphis now there is a new lawsuit when it
comes to the NC DOUBLEA, the Diego Pavia Juco thing,
but now it's for Division two players. How would this
impact everything? And will this settlement ever get finished? I
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say no. The ACC releases its schedule, This impacts Notre Dame,
this impacts their TV contract with ESPN, and also they
are not playing on Saturdays as much as they need
to be playing on Saturday. And their A list came
out from on three of the top returning quarterbacks for
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twenty twenty five, and we got to dive into that.
And Michigan responds to the Connor Stallions' allegations. They're fighting back.
That and more here on the College Football Apostles, make
sure that you like, subscribe, get notifications, and tell a
friend about the show. Let's get to it, all, right,
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we gotta start with that boy, arch Oh. Listen. Archie
is the most anticipated, the most hyped up college quarterback
that we've had, probably since like Trevor Lawrence and now
Trevor Lawrence, Andrew Luck all of those and now and
we talked on the other show about can he live
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up to that high? But now he has done something
that has rubbed Ralph the wrong way. Now, if we
go back to last year when the NCAA game was
getting ready to come out, during this time, all the
college players are signing their rights away for like six
hundred bucks a free copy of the game, and obviously
some people negotiated higher deals. And I remember arch Manning
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said he's not doing it because he wants to focus
on football. And what did I say then, Ralph?
Speaker 2 (02:28):
That he was lying, yes, and that he was going
to get made a whole video about it.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Yes, and that he was going to get a big bag.
I told you, I knew what was going to happen,
So I don't even know why you're upset about this.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
That was corny. This is corny, he's corny.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
So here is what Ralph feels this corny. So he's
got a new nil deal, this time it's with red Bull,
and he says, quote, I'm focused on playing foot. Well,
that's what I love to do. I'm not here to
do nil deals. Those are extra curriculars. But I'd like
to drink a red Bull every now and then. What's
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the problem with this?
Speaker 2 (03:13):
The fake humility, the fake humility, I'm not here to
do nil deals. Buddy, your recruiting trip cost a quarter
of a million dollars?
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Is it he being? But is there a world, Ralph
that you're being overly sensitive? And and he is being
cheeky here as as the as our friends across the
pond would say, isn't he trying to make a joke
right here?
Speaker 3 (03:40):
What's the joke?
Speaker 1 (03:42):
I'm not do n IL deals even though I.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Have health deals.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Well, this is this is like a and this is
some like federal politician level gaslighting, red meat for the
masses of college football fans with purchasing power, the blue hairs,
the old people who hate an il. So you throw
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them this bone and saying like, hey, I don't like
it either, but I'll drink a red bull and you
should too.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Shut up, shup up. You're so stupid.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Rah rah. He is a Do you understand that the
mining family is about that bread? Like you know that
and there's no problem.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Are no problem with the bread, There's no problem with it.
I told you that I didn't like what and you
didn't either. You didn't either at the time. I don't
know why I'm so much more annoyed than you at
this point. Maybe it's because you were right, and you
like being right. You get off on it. You gotta.
I mean a lot of people got a kink for
being right, but I just, dude, this kid is getting
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on my nerves.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
It was.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
It's one thing that a lot of the recruiting rankings
were driven by his last name. We like, we know
that because if he was the number one, like if
he if he was who he says he is, he
would have been playing. Not if he was who he
says he is, If he was who everybody that matters
says he is, that gave him that fifth star, that
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said he's going to be a first round pick. He
would have played as a freshman or a sophomore more
than just garbage time or in a case of injury,
which means we got to admit something about quin Ewers
that maybe we're not willing to admit that he was
better than arch Manning was well, and that's a completely.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Sark wasn't gonna bench yours. He's loyal to him.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Oh yes, super loyal, They asked Washington fans, how loyal
Steve sarkisian is?
Speaker 1 (05:54):
What do you mean?
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Did he not leave.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
For a check?
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (06:01):
It? Look, look who cares?
Speaker 3 (06:03):
Who cares?
Speaker 2 (06:03):
None of this stuff matters. What bothered me about the
NC double A thing is the implication to his teammates
who did opt in, that they're not focused on football
and he's a backup. He's a backup out here issuing
a statement that makes him talk talking like a start.
Hates to quote Drake right before Kendrick performs in the
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Super Bowl, but bench players talking like starters.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
I hate it.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
So it was already the implication that if you accepted
a deal with NC double A, you weren't focused on
football was a very dumb thing to do. And a
lot of college kids they don't have time to take
offense to something like that, but I do. I found
it offensive and stupid. You made a video about it,
and now he's saying that like, hey, I'm not here
to do nil deals, then don't take them.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Then don't ro You are one hundred percent right. Let
me explain this. You are one hundred percent right that
him do it? That that yes, that the that him
saying that I'm focused on football and all of that stuff.
And I told you that it was a It was
a ploye to get more money. It was a negotiating tactic,
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and it was also to and either that or it
was to generate some buzz surrounding Arch, right and then
knowing that they were going to circle back and do
this whole campaign about him in the game after either
I mean, but but that would be a lot of
doing for a backup, which was going to be last year.
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But here's the thing is, I don't know. I don't
believe that they were intending on necessarily him being a
backup all year that because remember what I told you
that was coming out of Texas was was that was
that Hewers was the guy. However, if he didn't play well,
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and that Arch would play in the first few games
some and that if he didn't beat Michigan or if
he looked bad in any of those games, then there
could be a takeover and Archist stats pull up, pull
up archers stats for US.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Ralph, No, that what he has? Like eight touchdowns against
UH Citadel. He played one meaningful game. I'm not pulling
up why why are I gonna pull up a backup stats?
I'm focused on this show. I'm not here to stats.
I'm focused on this show. See, because you can only
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focus on one thing at a time. That's why I'm
so mad at Arch. He's the old boomers believe some
of the dumbest They cling to some of the dumbest beliefs,
and they're gonna die with these dumb beliefs. Finds are
feeding into them, like the idea that you can only
focus on football.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
This is the type of thing that makes.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Lions fans blame Ben Johnson for taking an interview when
he had two weeks to prepare for a football game. Yeah,
Arch Manning is feeding some of the dumbest ideas we
have in our society, which is that if you accept
a check, you can't focus on football.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Well, then, how all right, Ralph? I got you here,
everybody under the everybody listening to this, I got you.
I got you, so, Ralph, So you're annoyed with Arch Manning? Right?
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Oh my god?
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Okay, So this is the most annoying I've been with
an athlete since Brady Quinn did those Myoplex commercials where
he's trying to be a bodybuild and he's like, now
I'm done like that. That's been twenty years and I
still think about that commercial every single day. That's how
dumb this quote is about this red Bull deal.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Okay, cool? So Arch is getting this check and that's
and and you don't like the wording surrounding it. So no,
how about how about this? Because the list of the
most impactful potential quot quarterbacks for next season came out
and your boy is.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Leading the list.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Oh boy boy? Hey? Uh hate this?
Speaker 3 (10:12):
No?
Speaker 2 (10:12):
I do hate it. That's rat poison. You and I
had a private phone conversation two days ago about the
dangers of over hping Sam Levitt, and then on three
comes out with the list putting him like what he's
he like eight spots above?
Speaker 3 (10:27):
Ki, bro, here's why.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
So I believe that Sam Levitt. Dude, this the effusive
praise for Sam Levitt. It is people watch hate.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
People have only watched one game.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Correct. I hate this And it's not that I think
the kid sucks, because I don't. I believe he got
progressively better last year. Where he couldn't throw the ball
well in the beginning of the season, he got better
and better. And I do believe the kid is a
good quarterback. However, Arizona State season last year was such
an outlier from what reasonable expectations were that it feels
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like anything short of a playoff appearance is a letdown
for this season. And I don't think Arizona State is
going to make the playoff for a second year in
a row. I think that cam Scattaboo and this season
were absolute magic. Do I believe that they'll win somewhere
in between like eight and ten games? Yes? Do I
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need to see them in the spring and the portal, Yes,
But I think this team will win in between eight
and ten games this year, which which would still mean
Kenny Dillingham is way ahead of schedule, way on the
right track all of those things. But Sam Levitt being
number one on this list.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Is do do you have the list up on the screen?
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Okay, okay, I want to do a little thought exercise
with you. Okay, because this list is egregious h and
the thing that sticks out really is the same Levit thing.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Because okay, so let me let me give the list
first to the people who are listening on audio.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Of course.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
So you got Sam Levitt one, Drew Aller two, Drew
Alis should probably be number one on this list, and no,
I'm saying based upon what he's actually actually Kate Clubnick
should probably.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Keep it rolling, keep it rolling, because I got I
got something for you, I got something for you.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Sam Levitt one, Drew Aller two, DJ Lagway three, Arch
Manning four, Garrett I'm sorry, Leonora Sellers five, Damn he
could be number one two, Garrett Nussmeyer six, Carson Beck
seven he should be thirteen, Kate Club Nick eight, John
Mattier nine, and Nico E I'm a lava number seven,
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I mean number ten.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Okay, are you ready? Okay, flip it. If you flip this.
I have not many problems with it, and I know
it's predictive. I know it's somebody's opinion. I know it's
meant to start discussion, but you shouldn't come out with
a list where someone says reverse it completely and it
will make more sense.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Yeah, if you put Niko one, I wouldn't argue with
and that he made a jump, but he played in
a lot of meaningful games. And then John Materiat two.
I definitely do not hate that because John Materia two,
John Matier was the best quarterback available in free agency
this year period, probably the best player available period. Yes,
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and I think Leonora's sellers could be higher, but based
upon what they did and their team accomplishment last year,
I would either put Kate club Nick one or Drew
all or one, and then John Matier two. I'm actually
super excited about DJ Lagway. I would put for safety's sake,
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I would put Sam Levitt in the middle, and then
Carson Beck would be ten. Nuss Meyer would be like nine,
Arts would be prop eight. Yeah, somewhere around there.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Okay, And now I know a couple of these guys
moved in uh well one of them in what world?
In what plan? What planet? Will six of the top
ten quarterbacks in any given season be in the SEC
in what world? And that's including Carson Beck leaving, so
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technically seven or I guess you could go back to
six because John Tier came from Washington State or whatever.
But six of the top ten quarterbacks in any given
season being from the SEC.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Never gonna happen, Ralph, you just pointed out a genius point, Bro.
So you got DJ Lagway, arch Manning, Lenora Sellers, Garrett Nussmeier,
Jeohn Materier, and uh Nico e Amaliva from the same
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from the same damn conference. Come on, come on, bro,
stop it, stop it. I mean, I guess there was
a year where the Pac twelve did have like all
the best quarterbacks in the in.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
The Yeah, but that doesn't happen in the SEC like it,
Just like with the the not everybody has moved on
to that style of us.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Not on this list. That absolutely. On one hand, I'm
happy that he's not on this list. He's not on
the preseason Heisman list, none of this. But the dude
that might be better than all of these dudes.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
On the list, Dante Moore.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Dante Moore. People have completely forgotten about the kid because
he transferred from UCLA. Even some Oregon fans have said,
oh my god, what are we gonna do it? Quarterback?
Like Bro, the the sentiment surrounding Oregon is the exact
same way it was. I think it was in twenty ten,
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when I was in Arizona at the Fiesta Bowl, the
National championship that they were gonna put. Oregon was gonna
play against Auburn and they told me they said. I
was talking to the coaches. I was like, man, win
or lose, Bro, We're gonna be back next year. Darren
Thomas is gonna be back at quarterback. And they were like,
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WHOA slow down. I was like, what are you talking about.
He's taking a team to a Rose Bowl then a
damn national championship. What do you I was like, is
he going to the NFL? He shouldn't. They were like, nah, bro,
we got this kid on the bench named Marcus Mariota.
I was like, okay, so what's I.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
Was like a freshman.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
They were like yes, Bro, They're like, so he's he's
probably gonna be our starter because you know, Darren's not
gonna want on a obviously, you know, compete for his
job or potentially lose his job, but we think he's better.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Yeah, I am on this list. For me, there's no
Eli Holstein, which.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Why is Eli hosting not on this list?
Speaker 3 (17:18):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (17:18):
And then if we're just planning for guys that you know,
I was probably.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
This list for Eli Holsting and a heartbeat Julian saying also,
like you look at the situation he's gonna go into,
you got to say, like, I don't it's possible on
the list because we have not seen in a single
solitary like throw from him.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Have we No. But if we're going to say people
that we've seen, like go off poor Man's John Mattier
as far as what he produced and where he produced it.
Last year, you've got Devin damp here going to Utah
like there's yeah, I don't know, there's just I And
then think of, yeah, how far how far our guy
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at Arizona has fallen? Or they're just saying without team
AC he's no, yep, yeah, without team Akkey's nothing. But
I don't know as the list as it stands, if
you reversed it, it would be a lot more digestible
for me. But when you put somebody in a number
one spot, you said, you know you don't think Arizona
State is going to make the college football Playoff in
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twenty twenty five six.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Well that's the expectation.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
If you say they have the best returning quarterback in
the country.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Yes, yes, I do believe that Utah is gonna win
the conference. The Big twelve.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
Oh yeah, that'll be man. That would piss Big twelve
fans off so much.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
To have Arizona State and then Utah and the backet
with yeah, yeah, that's that's just what I believe is
going to happen. All right, next thing up. Okay, so
eligibility matters and D two well, we already know about
the Diego Pavia lawsuit. So the Diego Pavia lawsuit essentially
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made JUCO players their Juco years not count because when
they transfer to Division one, they have all their eligibility left.
Because Juco's like a disco with books. It is good
for people. It is like, especially if you're on an
academic path, college is very expensive. It's actually a very
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smart and affordable way to go to CO like it
is like there's nothing. So I'm in no way, shape
form or fashion like minimizing jucos because they are important.
Aaron Rodgers went to a Jugu. There's a lot of
people going to juos. It also is not the level
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of football that's going to prepare you for the next level.
So I'm not mad at the Diego Pavia rule. But
the Division two players are now saying, what about us?
What about us? Because we should get that same treatment
when we transfer up to Division one. Now I don't
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share that same opinion, Ralph.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
To be super clear, To be super clear, the JUCO
lawsuit hasn't done anything yet other than make the NCAA
back off for one year on guys who would have
graduated in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Right on you. Once you give an inch there, it's
it's that. It's it's like I sawkat Williams Special. He
was like, as you get older, have you ever noticed
that when you put on that you can't put on
ten pounds when you when you're twenty, in your twenties,
five pounds, you're like, oh my god, I take a dump.
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But then when you get in your forties you put
on ten ten pounds, you look, it ain't going to
where it stuck with you for life at that point.
That's the way it is with the Double A. Every
time they lose an inch, it's like losing an inch
with your kids. You lose an inch with forget that
inch is gone.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Yeah, okay, so you anticipate this go but as far
as it goes right now, it's just an emergency injunction
for a one year thing. That's why Diego Pabia gets
to come back to And I noticed he wasn't on
that list.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
On that top you had your adjunction also for the
transfer portal. You had injunctions for all of that too.
Every inch, every inch lost, is an inch gone. But
to be very clear, quote don't let don't let people
borrow money unless you intend not to get it back.
If you can afford not to get it back, then
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you should let them borrow it.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
So, but to be really clear, NC double A is
different than the n cj AA or whatever, or the
one that's based out of Call of California or ng
A c A. There's two different juco associations. Neither one
of them are affiliated with the NC double A at all.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Correct, where Division two is affiliated with the Double A.
So yeah, it's not the same thing to me. And yes,
I know that everybody wants more time, more opportunities, but
I you know.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
So this is and this is a Wisconsin kid. This
is a Wisconsin kid that filed this lawsuit that that
would get one more year nizer for Currion. Yes, and
he played at Grand Valley state and wants another year
at Wisconsin.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Hell, I would want another year with Wisconsin too. That's
another year of n I own money, another year of
free tuition, and another year of an opportunity to be
good enough to go to the NFL. I don't blame
him for wanting another year.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Do you think the NC doublation throw Wisconsin a bone?
After what just happened with the dB. The dB that
everyone knew wanted to go to Miami and Darren Heidner
helped him back out of He just unenrolled from Wisconsin
after they wouldn't grant his entry into the portal and
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enrolled at at Miami to show that the transfer portal
actually isn't real.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Yeah, you don't even need to hop in the transfer
portal to transfer and be eligible in school, disenroll, and
then re enroll in school. So I don't think that Ralph.
I don't believe that Division two athletes should be able
to when they transferred to Division one get an extra
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year four years for those years that they were there.
I believe that you earned your way up, that you
did all of those things. But they're like, there's got
to be a clock on these things, right, Yeah, like
there has to be a clock, and we have already
seen with that additional COVID year how that impacted. And
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then players who had to sit out that year got
another year on top of that year. Dude, Like we
got dudes on there that aren't even medicals that are
on like year seven in college football, they didn't even
get a medical year. So I do believe that like
that play five, that you get five to play five
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is fine with me. Like, I'm I think that that's
probably the answer the way we're not worried about red
shirts and all of that stuff. Bro, you get five
to play five and then in rare circumstances will grant
you another year. That's all I got for you.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
I think I think University of Phoenix should start a
team because it's adult learning institution.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
Oh my god, so that bro, do you know the
pool of play?
Speaker 2 (24:57):
We should get a pool. We should get like a
twenty three to twenty six league.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Yeah, hey, because because you know what, then the next
lawsuit is going to be.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Eligibility is faceys schools? Oh that would be so brutal.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
You don't you don't think that would be the next step?
Speaker 2 (25:18):
Oh, I definitely think it is but D one to
D one or any transfer or just people should leave
whenever they want to or because technically.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
That is going to be the next thing. It is
going to be somebody's gonna follow lawsuit. I want my
FCS years back because I transferred to the FBS. Then
it's gonna be all right. Man, I went from group
of five to power five. I need another year. Well,
technic gotta stop somewhere. Yeah, at some point in time. Now,
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I tell the kids all the time, you are supposed
to be open minded. You are supposed to care about people.
You are supposed to listen to their plight. Try to
sew like you're supposed to be minded, but do not
be so open minded that your brains fall out.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
Yeah, I so this is going to be the worst
comparison of all time. Look forward to you having a
new college football Apostles co host after this one. But
I if you read history books, right, if you read
history books, there was like probably a seventy eighty year
period where America's greatest men and thinkers and orators and
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politicians were all kind and even people who were slave owners,
but they were all kind of in unison of like, yeah,
you're right, slavery's probably bad. But if we free everybody,
then we have to figure out everything else. Right, you
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got to figure out.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
To figure out how to how to get the labor
and pay for the labor and do all of these
things free people.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
But so they went, they went generations past when when
they all pretty much knew that it had to come
to an end.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
And because yes, yes, they keep kicking the can down
down down the street, and they're like, oh well, we'll
let the kids worry about that.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
One, right, and that I so that, But the nc
double A for the longest time, they knew eventually they're
going to get taken to court, they're gonna get their
clock clean, and then they were gonna have to deal
with every single other issue. And it's starting to seem
like just a will to not deal with the obvious
issues and lines we've drawn in college football, then it
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was to defend anaturism.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
So so the the House settlement that was approved, my
son who's in college, sent me the link for the
for you to apply for that money, right and how
much you're gonna get and everything else, Like there are
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players that I know that play during that time. They're
anticipating fifty thousand dollars checks, one hundred thousand dollars checks,
all sorts of stuff, right Like, I've seen kids that
are anywhere between like six hundred bucks and one hundred
thousand based upon the calculation in the settlement. Thing. The
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settlement's not approved. They have until Friday the thirty first
for all objections to be in. There are already like
thirteen or fourteen objections in already rolf. There is a
unless they just march forward and are like middle finger
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to everybody, this thing is not getting approved. There are
new lawsuits keep coming up every thirty six seconds. There
are so many problems. There are Title nine problems with
the with the revenue sharing, with the with the past payments.
Why does it only stop here? Why doesn't it go
for dude? It is a It is an avalanche of
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of nonsense. It would be bread. It would be much
better for for the NCAA to do what people do
in life when they have just fed up everything, file bankruptcy,
file bankruptcy, right like, they need to essentially file bankrupt
file Chapter eleven and close down the whole business and
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reopened under a different name with different rules, and like
just just start it over instead of keep putting these
dumb ass band aids on everything. Ball it up, throw
it in the trash, start over.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
That's take a queue from the American government and put
a chaos agent in charge who just changes the rules
every fifteen seconds. So you so all you have is
people just begging for a normal day that I don't
I honestly don't know what the NCAA is gonna do.
And one of the worst things is it's giving credence
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to these people saying that NIL ruined college football. No,
the NCAA ruined college football by not acting thirty years
ago when they started to allow coaches to take checks
directly from apparel companies, when you allowed everyone to get
rich except for the labor force. And then you get
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surprised when people compare it to slavery, because oh, well,
they got there, they got their education paid for. You
don't think forced labor, indentured servitude were given the tools
and ability to learn a trade. They were given the
ability to learn a trade so that they could help
the people that owned them. That's why check your equipment,
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your schooling, everything was office equipment. It was all to
edify and enrich. The NC double A is a system.
I don't if that makes me sound like a crazy
lib it is what it is. The fact of the
matter is everyone got rich except for the labor force.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
Yep, dude. My freshman year when I was at Oregon,
so before you play a game, before you do anything,
they take you like. We practiced for a few days.
Then we had a meeting that that night. It was
a compliance meeting. Everybody has to sign these papers, all
of this stuff like to be you know, like the
paperwork to be eligible and the NC double A government.
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And I remember my freshman y or mind you, I'm
eighteen years old and I have no idea about the
legalities of things and everything. But they said that, yeah,
you guys are gonna sign this paper. The NC double
A is gonna be able to use your name, image
and likeness in perpetuity. Blah blah blah. Just glanced over it.
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Me me being questioning man that I am, even at eighteen.
I was like, okay, cool, I don't want to sign
that paper, I said, I did not want to sign up.
I was like, this makes no sense. Why would they
own my name, image and likeness and perpetuity perpetuity means forever, right,
And they were like, well, you have to sign the paper.
I'm not signing the paper. Well if you can't sign it,
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if you don't sign a paper, you can't play. They
had to call my parents, we had to call the
compliance department. Bro, I've ran this all the way up.
I had no clue. I just knew it was wrong.
And they were like, brothers, you cannot play if you
do not sign this paper. Is what we got to
And so I signed the paper, but I knew it
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was wrong in the moment. I just didn't have a choice.
I mean, I guess I did have a choice to
not play college football, But what kind of choice is that?
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Right?
Speaker 3 (32:57):
Right?
Speaker 2 (32:58):
And so it's very possible we move into the direction
of what baseball has going on. And people will tell
you there is no interest at all in minor league baseball.
But you think the NFL is going to help the
NCAA get more popular. They're already putting games on Saturdays.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
Well, now they're going to schedule with the college football
to try to Because here's the thing the NFL at least,
because I was talking to somebody who worked at Nike
about this, about why the NFL just throws the bird
to the NBA because them adding this eighteenth game, that's
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going to happen. The NFL is either going to have
to back the season up a week, start a week earlier,
so start before Labor Day, or they're going to have
to start or they're going to have to finish a
week later, which then what is the week after the
Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Ralph or two start game?
Speaker 1 (33:57):
Yep, Star yep, the All Star Games a week after.
The NBA already moved the All Star Game once, it
moved it from before the Super Bowl, like that weekend
before the Super Bowl two. They moved it back now
after the Super Bowl so they can have their own weekend.
So football's finished. Well, the NFL ad the eighteenth game.
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They've already taken Christmas like they just stomp on the NBA.
But at least with the NFL, I mean with college football,
the NFL actually has a vested interest in the players
and a relationship with the NCAA because they want the
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top players out of college to be huge stars so
then when they go to the draft, the fans can
be excited know who the player that's So that's where
the relationship is.
Speaker 3 (34:53):
We want that.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
They want that in theory, but if it comes down
to bigger stars entering the NFL, a bigger paycheck from
the TV payouts, they picked TV every time, which brings
us to our next topic, the ACC.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
Okay, so high school ut football, Okay, so tell me
about these games. Okay, I'm gonna listen, James to you.
Kennesaw State at wake Forest on August twenty ninth. How
does the Colgate at Syracuse? They're like, okay, no big deal.
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Florida State at Virginia My Louisville. Louis said that all weird.
I said, said that, like the Jacksonville head coach Duvo.
Louisville at Miami.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
That's the biggest day games of the year.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
North Carolina at cal Cal at Virginia Tech. Damn they
back to back weeks. North Carolina at Syracuse, Clemson at Louisville,
Florida State at NC State, Georgia at Georgia Tech. Those
all sound like good football games except for the first two, right.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Yep, yep. No, that's seven great football games. The last seven.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
They're all on Fridays. Ralph, all of those games are
on Fridays. So the ACC is doing what the PAC
twelve did was like, hey, we'll get people to watch
our games on Fridays. But the ratings say that people
are not going to watch those games on Friday, not
nearly at the level that they would watch them on Saturday.
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So if they get if you do two million on
a Friday, you've done a great thing. That's like four
million on a Saturday, four million plus actually four maybe
five million on a Saturday. So the ACC is watering
down its product, the availability, and now like, so, now
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I gotta choose between going to a big time high
school football game and watching Florida State at Virginia.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
And look at dude, look at Louisville. Louisville's got their
game against Miami and their game against Clemson, both on Fridays.
That means that if Louisville comes out and they're on
a heater next year, that you've eliminated their two best
opportunities to get college game day.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
Damn.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
And the ESPN is who drove this decision to put
these games on Friday anyway.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
Yeah, yeah, it's just a reinforcement Texas.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
Yeah, this is a second class citizen league. ESPN and
and the ACC are collaborating to make sure everybody knows
that you're gonna have Bill Belichick twice on Friday nights.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
Who's gonna watch it? Because the see here here. The
other problem is the recruiting problem. Kids are playing on
Fridays and you can't even get them on campus to
your games on Fridays. This is why I hate Friday
night games. I understand that they exist for a reason,
but but these big times, but all of these a
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SEC games on Friday is bad for the conference.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
Well, so let's say you're CAL Berkeley, right, so your
your Cal. You uh, you are a prestigious academic institution.
You don't recruit nationally in the way that Stanford recruits nationally,
but you you do get who you can.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
Right, You've gotten kids from from the Southeast and they've
been some of your best players.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
Jared Kiwi sup into it, Telly.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
Yeah, they got him out at a Hawaii like they
recruit nationally Cal does.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
Now you have the opportunity to go out to North Carolina,
which is a second tier football state as far as
high school football. They got they got a lot of
really really good options. Right, you get the opportunity to
go out to North Carolina because you had to join
up with the ACC. And you say to yourself, well,
at least on that Friday night, we can get our
coaches out to some games to see if we can't
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boost our recruiting profile, convince some people to move out
to the Bay.
Speaker 3 (39:23):
No, you can't because your game.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
So you actually wasted a trip to the damn East
Coast right because your game against Virginia Tech at school
on Thursday instead of Actually, but then you're not even
gonna see them at school on Thursday because you've got
to be in practice.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
Yeah, and you're not and yeah, and then your school
week has an interruption because then you got to travel
on a Wednesday instead of a instead of a Friday,
because you're playing on Friday. So it's I don't know,
I've never liked Friday. I've always been against Friday games.
I think Saturday is for college football. But the ACC
intentionally doing what I mean this used to be the
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PAC twelve apostles. We watched the conference fall apart. To
watch the ACC do this fascinating. But they're also doing
it on the heels of signing or essentially like locking
in with ESPN until twenty thirty six.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
Yes, exactly, all right, final thing up. So the Michigan Wolverines,
they have now gone on the offensive against the NCUBA,
with the Connor Stallions, lawsuits and you know, accusations and everything.
They are going on the offensive and they're saying, you
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know what, we did some of what you said, but
not all of it. So we don't want no heavy punishment.
We are going to And I love this. I think
that USC should have done this when it came to
Reggie Bush, that yes, you were supposed to fight even
if you I mean, our legal system teaches us this.
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I see you on tape stealing boxes, I saw you
hit her, I saw shit. But how do you how
do you please not guilty? And and and this drives
normal humans crazy because they're like, what do you mean
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not guilty?
Speaker 3 (41:27):
We see you doing it.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
But here's the thing it is, and it teaches us
to fight to the death and try to get your
punishment lower. And that's exactly what Michigan is doing. This
is not about them coming out smelling like roses. This
is about Michigan is in a they feel like they're
in a good spot football wise, and they don't want
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to end up losing recruits, players going into transfer portal
because they got a bowld band and all of this stuff.
This is this is why they're fighting it. It has
nothing to do with whether they believe that they're guilty
or innocent or anything else, because they're copping to some
of it. But they're saying, I wasn't as bad as
(42:13):
you think. Other people are doing it this like they
are trying. They want this punishment when it comes down
to be as minimal as possible.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
Yeah, I mean that's what you that's what lawyers do.
They're gonna fight. I I'm not one hundred percent sure
it's their best option, but I guess they leave the
door open to always just turn around and cooperate. You know,
I guess if you you got to push back to
(42:47):
a certain extent. The lawyers for Michigan saying that like
you can't prove it, you can't prove it, and you
can't prove its impact is is strange because it's either
a rule violation or it's not. And so to get
(43:10):
into the nitty gritty and say like that, because what
they said about the Connor Stallions h paying for people's
tickets to film sidelines doing advanced scouting using video to
do it. That what they're saying is that, like you
(43:32):
can't prove that impact of that, yes, which is a
then why like why do it? If it if it
provides you negligible advantage, why even do it?
Speaker 3 (43:46):
And so.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
Michigan is they're wilding out on this. To me, Sharon
Moore has deleted text messages to Connor Stallions the end. Yeah, right,
and they've chosen to stand by Sharon Moore. I I
personally know that. I sure we've talked about it on
this show. So it's no surprise Sharon Moore. When Jim
(44:11):
Harbaugh was the coach, he was tampering. I told you
a player was going to Michigan while he was still
on the roster of another school. I told you it
was Sharon Moore who reached out to and then that
exact thing ended up happening. Like they were, they were
doing whatever was available to them to be successful. And
(44:31):
now if they want to turn around and say, yeah,
you caught us, but it really wasn't that big of
a deal. And so you know, we don't want to
have all of the punishments in the world. I guess
I look at what Arizona State went through, and you know,
they also it was a self reported deal. And that's
what Michigan is saying that this is it kind of
(44:55):
sounds like they're trying to fish out a rat a
little bit in reading the that they're saying the NCUBA
is basing way too much on witness testimony, which is
essentially hearsay, because how can you just straight up believe
somebody if we've gone and deleted text messages, you don't
know what they said. And the NCAA is trying to say, like, well,
(45:15):
the deleted text messages are the point, yes, And Michigan's
layers are like, nuh uh. They could have been about
lunch orders. So you know, if you want to get
into the nitty grip, I think it just keeps it
in the news cycle.
Speaker 1 (45:30):
There's a difference. See, this is why there's a difference
between civil lawsuits and criminal lawsuits. Criminal lawsuits beyond a
reasonable doubt, civil lawsuits more likely than not, Like you're
dealing with fifty one forty nine and reasonable people are like,
(45:56):
I mean, it's it's like the whole idea of like
what would a guilt the person do. The problem with
it is is that sometimes people panic and do weird
stuff even when they're innocent. That's the issue. So Michigan
(46:16):
is smart for fighting this. Are they right? Probably not?
But who's right who's wrong in this world?
Speaker 2 (46:26):
At the end of the day, Sharon Moore deleted fifty
text messages to Connor Stallion's on the day that Yahoo
Sports broke the story, Like, if I'm the NC DOUABLEA,
what I offer in a Michigan it is give us
the text messages. Because Sharon Moore can do that. He
(46:48):
can go through his wireless carrier, he can everything's backed up.
Give us the text messages and will We're more interested
in the truth and how to prevent this next time
than we are in punishing you. The investigation essentially is
the punishment. That's how it was for Arizona State. Give
us the texts. You give us the texts.
Speaker 1 (47:09):
Let's see the text.
Speaker 2 (47:11):
Yeah, Because I would at this point, if I'm the
NC double A, I would rather wrap this up and
be correct than be overly punitive because Michigan is not
giving back a national title and any sanctions that affect
Michigan in the future, They're going to continue to fight forever.
So if I'm the NC double A, I say those
(47:31):
fifty two text messages and we'll call we'll call it,
We'll just call it. Even we're going to show cause
Connor stallions because you can't do what he did. Yes,
but those text messages, And if Michigan doesn't agree, then
(47:54):
then the NC double A is like f you, then.
Speaker 1 (47:57):
Bro those texts. I just can't even image and what
the hell is in those texts? It could be something
not that big of a deal, or it could be
something that is a major deal. I need that phone
about you, And I would be willing to bet that
Michigan confiscated that phone because if it were the work phone,
(48:20):
they can access that and they can go back and
you know, forensically figure out what was deleted in everything else.
Speaker 2 (48:29):
This is the type of stuff that if you fight
it too hard, what you're going to end up with
is college coaches, all recruiting, everything is going to have
to take place in a trackable system like teams or
something like that, and then any communication outside of the
recruiting platform and the coach communication platform is going to
(48:50):
be considered an infraction. That's what you're going to end
up with is all communication of any kind is going
to have to exist in a place where where all
out in the open, assuming the NC DOUBLEA retains any
power whatsoever. But if I'm the NC double A, that's
what I'm going to end up doing. I'm going to
get get everybody on Microsoft teams and say, like if
(49:12):
if you're if your coach is talking to coach, and
then you have to you have to employ somebody who's
essentially like the ia B of your college to track
to make sure that everybody's doing stuff that they should,
flagging anything that they shouldn't and addressing it like you're
You're gonna end up with a really, really in depth
(49:33):
tracking system for all communications just because one person doesn't
want to turn his text messages over because they definitely
implicate him. Yeah, Michigan fans are going to say, like,
we that were harping on a thing that doesn't matter.
(49:55):
If it didn't matter, why delete the text. Any Michigan fan,
if Ohio State was going through this right now, would
be saying the same thing. So I don't I don't
have any sympathy from They got a national championship out
of the deal. No one's coming to take it away.
Zero sympathy for Michigan fans. I don't care how sick
of it they are. I don't care how much they
hate the Ncuba. Where are the text messages? That's the
(50:16):
end of the conversation, that.
Speaker 1 (50:18):
The text You are and you guys. That is the
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Catch you guys next week.
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George Wrightster
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