October 18, 2024 • 58 mins
On this week's episode of the College Football Apostles, George Wrighster and Ralph Amsden review the game between Oregon and Ohio State that George attended in person, and talk about the aftermath and fan discontentment coming from the Ohio State side over the last few days.
The guys also get into which teams should be considered elite, which teams should be considered contenders, and which top 25 teams are actually just untested/above average.
No coaches get fired in-season yet, so the guys discuss why that is, and which coaches might be on the verge of that fact changing- and the guys also discuss the major injuries to guys like Cam Rising, Graham Merz and Benjamin Morrison that could alter the seasons of some premier programs and provide opportunities for backups to shine.
Finally, George and Ralph make picks in Miami/Louisville, Nebraska/Indiana, Georgia/Texas, Alabama/Tennessee and Michigan Illinois.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Unafraid show college football apostles, and we got a lot
to talk about today, friends, because of course Oregon and
Ohio State, who's number one? And the experience that I
had on the sideline at that game. What's going on
with the SEC? Oh, the mighty SEC. Everybody was talking
about they can't be touched. They got seven teams in
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the top ten? Yeah, what keeps happening? And oh but
it's a great conference. Yes, it's a great conference. But
let's be let's get back to reality people. Now we
gotta put coaches and well teams into tiers today. Are
they elite, are they good? Are they above average? Et cetera,
et cetera? And will there be coaches staying during the season,
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because I don't think we've had a college football coach
fire jet. This feels like something's in the mix. And
there's a bunch of injuries that are going on that
are impacting the rest of the season. There are red shirts,
all the stuff that we have to talk about, and
we got to talk about a hot or not list?
Is this cool? Or is this out of pocket? And
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then of course our picks against the spread and our
picks overall as well. But let's start Ralph before we
get into the Oregon Ohio State thing. I want to
talk about the SEC because there's been a lot of
talk about the SEC, and it was not too long ago.
I am old enough to remember when everybody was trying
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to tell me that the SEC they are undefeatable. Look
at all these look at all these ranked teams inside
of the top ten, Look at Tennessee Best. They may
be the best team ever that we've ever seen Georgia
Alabama and since then Alabama's well. First thing, the SEC
has a losing record in the non conference versus power
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for teams. Let me repeat that, the SEC has a
losing record in the nine conference against Power four teams
this year and last year against Power five teams. So
I don't want to hear when you get in the
conference play talking about, oh see, look all these teams
are losing because it's the SEC gauntlet. No, that's not it.
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You can't say, on one hand, route that you're the
best conference, nobody can touch you top to bottom, and
then have a losing record in the non conference the
last two years, and then your best teams get upset
by teams that you deem inferior and now all of
a sudden, you want to use this as a as
a sign of strength. How about Winno Pac twelve was
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doing it, Ralph, They were like, oh, they played them
they played themselves out of it.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Yeah. I firmly believe that we should propose a slogan
change for the SEC. It just means more as fantastic.
I don't think you can get better than that. But
you told me to watch the movie Friday and so
you know that that that's fresh in my head for
SEC fans, I feel like the slogan should be oh,
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but that was different, excuse for literally everything when you're like, okay,
so how come you have a losing record? Oh, that's different,
like that that doesn't apply to this, this and this.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Yes, like what why?
Speaker 2 (03:17):
How how come Alabama has given up ninety nine points
in the last three games for the first time in
six years. Oh, that's different. First year coach, like, they
have an excuse for everything. Uh, and it never ever
occurs to them that if the playing field was leveled,
they would probably still have three of the best six
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teams in college football correct every single year, yep, but
they wouldn't be able to make excuse with the non
conference schedule, not playing nine conference games, the fact that
a lot of their mid tier teams can't hang with
other mid tier teams from other conferences. And then just
this week you had Quinn Shawn Judkins say that he
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believed that Big Ten players were more fundamentally sound, that
they actually coached better football outside the SEC, which might
be true because you can rely on great athletes in
the SEC, and I think a lot of coaches do.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
All right, let me give you the top ten after
Week three in college football. Okay, Georgia's number one, Oh
Texas number two, Alabama number three, oh Miss number I'm sorry,
Alabama number four, Oh Miss number five, Missouri six, Tennessee seven.
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That was. And then you had LSU down at sixteen,
even after they took the USC loss. That's what you had, Ralph,
That's what you had after week three, and Tennessee didn't
play any good teams in the non conference. Now, granted,
they can't control that. NC State is just just a
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flaming mess right now. They can't control that. But and
they beat the hell out of them. Oh Miss didn't
play anybody with a pulse until conference play started, So
like of course you're gonna look good. Of course you're
gonna look good. And now we get to week eight.
So five weeks later, Texas number one, Georgia number five,
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Alabama inexplicably number seven, still LSU eight, and then Tennessee eleven.
That's what we got, Ralph, that's what we got. So
we only got three teams that have survived the top ten.
But oh but look at that big ten though, Oregon too,
Penn State three, Ohio State four. Is there something in
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the water here, because we're gonna have Texas and Georgia
play this week. If Texas blows them out, Georgia probably,
how far do you think that they fall, Ralph, they're
at number five right now, how far do they fall
if Georgia blows them If Texas blows out.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Georgia, eleven would be the bottom?
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Yeah? I think so too? Like And can we not
going to care that BYU is undefeated? I guarantee you
they keep them in front of BYU guarantee. And if
BYU blows them out this, if BYU blows out another game,
they're not gonna care like George is gonna have to
be in terms of AP voters. Now, the college Football
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Playoff voters that meet in November may have a different say,
But the AP voters, they get so caught up in
the logos, and even our discussions about teams get caught
up in the logos more than the actual thing that
gets presented on the field.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
But can we talk about how it's not actually a
good look for the SEC to have Texas at number one?
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Why?
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Just like it's because it's not it's not good look
for the Big Ten to have Oregon come in and
run through everybody. It's not a good look for the
SEC to have Texas come in and run through everybody.
It won't be a good look for the Big twelve
if if Arizona State continues doing what they're doing after
a three and nine season, and it's not gonna be
a great look for the ACC when Syracuse finishes with
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ten wins and one of their losses is to Stanford,
Right Like, if we're I'll put it this way, if
we're not gonna let James Messing go the Bole game
because it doesn't count in their first real year, then
that's the energy that we should have for everybody who's
joining a conference in the first year acting like they've
been in the sec. No, they haven't. If they come
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to your house and they knock your teeth in, that's
a bad look on you.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
This our house, now, pump, this is our house.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Next year if you want to claim them, fine, But
year one, year one feels very weird to me.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Yes, yes, absolutely. And speaking of the top twenty five,
rouph here I'm putting up on the screen the top
twenty five unafraid shows top twenty five for this week,
and people were probably shocked when they saw it. I
have Oregon one, which I feel is not natural. They
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have the best win and they have more top twenty
five wins top twenty wins than Texas. They have a
better strength to schedule by fifty spots and bet and
the number one strength of record in the nation. So
that sounds like I mean, those are all the justifications
that they would use to put any other team at
number one. Texas to Ohio State three, Miami four, Penn
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State five, Georgia six BYU seven, and people were spinning, Oh,
how could you have BYU at seven? Have youall watched
them play? No, no, no, you haven't, so be quiet.
Notre Dame at eight, Clemson at nine. Now Clemson is ascending,
but they haven't really played anybody good yet. Indiana ten,
then LSU, and people were like, where the hell's Bama?
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Will we will get to them, Iowa State twelve, Texas
saying them thirteen, Illinois fourteen, Pit fifteen, Vandy sixteen, Alabama seventeen,
Tennessee eighteen, and then so on and so forth, and
people were like, how the hell could you have Alabama
at seventeen because that's exactly what I would do to
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a team that didn't look good. Oregon their first couple
weeks didn't look good that they were. They started the
season I think, on the unffraid Jo Pole, inside of
the top four, and then we're in We're like somewhere
around thirteen at the lowest because I was like, I
don't like what I'm seeing right now. And Alabama lost
to Bandy. Then they came back and put on another
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poor performance. Their defense is leaky, their offense gets stagnant.
That don't look like a top top ten team to me, buddy, like,
there's nothing about Alabama that looks like a top ten team.
And Tennessee same thing. Their offense has gone in. Somebody
hit the e break on them. As soon as Hey,
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they found some competition. It was Oklahoma who couldn't even
muster anything against Texas, and we're supposed to and Texas
scored thirty four points on them. And this Tennessee offense
has been sagnet. But they will sit here and act
like this Tennessee Alabama game that the winner of this
game is is just tremendous, and that ain't the truth.
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They're both they're both really good teams, but they're not
elite teams right now.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
I agree with you, and it also makes college football
a little bit more fun. But you can't. Can't. You
have to judge what happens on the field. You can't
get caught up in the branding. You really can't. Like
here's a fun thought exercise. Put Jalen Milrow on any
of the teams that are ranked above Alabama in your
top twenty five. I think he makes most of those
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teams even better than they are now. Like he is,
and and this is why, oh my goodness, you're not.
I just got goosebumps thinking about it. Like he is.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Imagine peating him on Notre Dame.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
It would be incredible. He is, he is what you
have all these Alabama players that have won Heismans. But
I've for some reason, I've never been more excited than
the idea of this year an Alabama player winning the
Heisman because he actually is dragging this team uphill. Mm hmm.
Everybody else is kind of a product of being part
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of an incredible team.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Replacement, Yeah, and he.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
For him, but you could probably you could probably plug
one of the top five running backs into that Boise
State offense and they might not be doing what Ashton
gent is right now. But you can't, Like, I don't
think you could replace Jalaln Milroe with anybody, and I
think Alabama's might be like three and three without him.
It's crazy.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Yep, that's the fact. Jack. All Right, Now, let's talk
about which teams are elite since we have the top
twenty five up, and which ones are good and which
ones are just above average. So we'll go off the
underfragedho poll and let and let's start. I believe that Oregon, Texas,
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Ohio State are the elite teams this year. Those are
the only three I see as elite right now.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Yes, if if Georgia had finished that comeback against Alabama,
I think I probably tricked into saying them as well.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Yeah, I would agree.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
I agree. It's three. It's three teams right now.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Yeah, and then the very good category. And mind you,
the very good can beat the elite if the elite
don't play their A minus game or their B plus game.
And those teams are Miami, Penn State, Georgia, BYU, Notre Dame,
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and yeah, and maybe Texas A and M. Maybe Texas
A and M because I'm not sure about Texas A
and M. And I'm not sure quite about Clemson or
or Iowa State or Illinois right now or pitt Really.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Yeah, I'm I think I would stop at six. I
think that's what makes this year so fun. I think
that Miami is very good, even though they've been playing
with fire. Penn State is clearly very very good, and
Georgia's very good. And then you get to BYU and
you're like, oh, that's a good team, but it doesn't
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I think they would get thumped by I don't know.
They might, they might give Miami a game because Miami
again just the I think maybe there's some coaching issues there.
The mystery for me is is Clemson kind of like
Georgia where they got their teeth kicked in because they
weren't ready. But the rest of the season, they they
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found their footing, but they just didn't have the respect
because of the big beatdown that they took. And then
I'm with you Texas A and m very curious SMU
since the quarterback switch, very very curious. And then Indiana
honestly like maybe maybe and I And for them it's
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the opposite of Miami, like I trust their coaches implicitly yes,
if I'm yes.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
The dude is has the arrogance and the audacity to believe.
He's gotten that whole team to believe why not us?
And they have good players. So he's the kind of
coach that you talk about sleeping giant that's one of
them teams because he can get people to buy in
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that if he gets the right players, they are going
to be a problem, a major problem for people. And
it's gonna take a few years for them to get
adjusted to it. They're gonna be like, Okay, yeah, we
lost to Indiana this year. Okay, damn, we lost him twice.
Damn Okay, and they beat them too, all right, this
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this could be a thing. We gotta we gotta stop them.
They must be stopped at all costs. Like that's that's
the way that it's gonna turn.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
And for people who don't know this, like Indiana, it
is as far as like it's place in America. It
is the mecca of basketball at the grassroots level. Like
people say like, oh yeah, hoo's yours. You know, No,
it's not just who's it's like the high school level,
the AAU left Like basketball is what everybody in Indiana loves.
But you know how you turn basketball fans onto football, Yeah,
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you drop sixty yep. And that's what they've been doing.
And how many how many teams with elite offenses have
very very good pass defense? Almost none? And so I
I still am kind of on the fence and we're
gonna find out this weekend how good they really are.
But it if you plug even better players than they
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have now into what into what he's doing. I mean,
I just hope that Indiana can hang on to him.
This is this has been absolutely fun to watch, and
so I they could be on the cusp of being
very very good. We'll find out Saturday.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Yep. All right, we now let's get into our next topic,
which is this Oregon Ohio State situation, Ralph, I was
at this game. This game was absolutely special. It was special.
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There's a video about it on Nunafraid Show, So we
won't take you through all of that, so go check
that out where it says the titles like I was
on the sideline, here's what I saw, and guy was
in the locker room postgame pregame. I could feel the energy.
There was a lot of pomp and circumstance around it.
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It was it was like a Colorado game, damn near
you know. You know how Colorado sidelines are packed with
celebrities and who's who. That's the way it was for
this Oregon Ohio State game. Saw Geno Smith, Jackson Smith
and Jigba was there. Sam Howell he got a chance
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to big up to Sam Howe and Gino. They both
talked to my sons about quarterbacking. That was cool. It
was who else was it? I mean it was Ti
ty Barell from Modern Family, the guest picker. There was
a lot. Josh Hate was there. There was a lot
of freaking people there and you could just feel the moment.
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Oregon put on a hell of a show just with
the greatest showman thing prior to it to the whole thing.
But at the end of the day, I was very
disappointed in Ohio State with the post game because they're
head coach Ryan Day, who has come under fire like
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people acting like the dude sucks and it's it's it's ridiculous.
It's ridiculous, Like Nick Saban has set the bar so
high for college coaches that that people think, oh, because
we didn't win multiple Natties in a row, and this
and this, Oh, maybe our coach has lost it, like
they've they've lost the aspect of building things because they
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want to microwave everything. And it takes a long time
to be get your roster, even in the transfer portal
ready to win the national championship, to get your culture ready,
get your coaches ready. There takes in. You gotta have
some luck involved along along the way. And Ryan Day
and the press conference, he goes, Oh, we're not gonna
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blame any calls, you know, like the OPI, We're not
gonna blame this. We're not gonna Yes you are, that's
why you're bringing it up. And then their fans continue
to play the narrative the offensive pass, and that was
clear the offensive pass in appearance. I can take Maduck
hat off and be honest and just say that was. Yes,
it was a physical game that was way too physical.
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He dislodged the man put his arms out a full extension,
and they're like, oh, well that cost the game. No,
there were a couple other bad penalties that went against Oregon,
like that interception in the beginning of the game that
should have been reviewed by the booth, and there was
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a in addition to that, there was a drive killer
when Oregon was in think inside the twenty five. It
was a pass interference call and Oregon got no points
out of it because they said it was a legal
man downfield. That wasn't even nothing about that was and
they admitted that it was the wrong call. So yes,
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these things. It's a football game. Things went both ways.
I just Ohio State is too good of a team,
too good of a fan base. They're a blue blood
to be whiny, to be whiny. I didn't like that
part of it. Now I respect them, I respect everything
they do. They got a great team. They are blue bloods.
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This is one of those Like if I were talking
to my own kid, Ralph, like I would say to him, Son,
I love you. I love you, but that ain't cool
what you're doing. And that's exactly what we're saying to
Ohio State. What I'm saying in Ohio State is stopped
being whiny. You are too good to be whiny. Nobody
likes a whiny man.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Yeah. I feel bad for Ohio State fans. I do what.
I know that well, they had to watch the whole
Joe Burrow thing. Yeah, and I'm I'm sympathetic Jaden Daniels,
same thing happened to me. It is what it is.
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Kyle McCord is better. They would have won with him.
They know it. They're not gonna say it out loud,
but they would have won with Kyle McCord at quarterback. Maybe.
First of all, I don't think Oregon played that well.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
I think yes, I think that was the That was
the other part about it. Yeah, that's the part I
think you to scare you.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
I think you got a B level from Oregon and
I think you've got an A minus level effort from
I think both teams could have played better, but Oregon
clearly made way more mistakes like that that they had
a lot to review in film, in my opinion.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
And then the It's not like Jeremiah Smith and at
Buka didn't get off. They got like nineteen catches for
two hundred and what like forty yards between them. Yeah,
your stars got off.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Yeah. And then now they've had to watch Michigan win
a national championship when they haven't been able to get
that done. That's a lot that weighs heavy on them.
They've lost Oregon twice now, which really affects the way
that you see yourself because they they have to they
have to reconcile believing that they are the much better school,
much better fan base, much better nil and all that
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being zero to two and against Oregon in your last two.
That's tough to deal with. Your running backs who you
brought in didn't didn't get the job done against this
Oregon defense. And you grew up believing the PAC twelve
is soft, right, and so.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
You know, I do?
Speaker 2 (22:46):
You know they but they do whine a lot. They've
always been that way. I don't think that there you
say that they should be better. I don't think they are.
I think this is a top I think this is
a top three, noisy excuse making fan base. It just
so happens that they're good. You get Tennessee or Nebraska
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to this level, and they will eclipse Ohio State as
being just the loudest, craziest whine when stuff goes wrong.
But the fact that by now we haven't accepted that,
like officiating is not great. Yeah, and some stuff's gonna
go away, some stuff's gonna go your way. We they
secretly hate their coach. It's not even a secret. They
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hate their coach. Yes, so they have to deal with that,
like they're out here to feen Ryan day even though
they hate him, they are not one hundred percent sure
they made the right decision at quarterback. Michigan has been
better than them the last five years, and you know,
Joe Burrow is an Ohio native who won a Heisman
after he left you it's you know. And then Justin
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Field's got benched this week. They've got a lot going on, dude,
They've they got a lot that they're dealing with. So
I feel bad for Ohio State fans. Let them whine
yep and yeah yep.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
And now them secretly hating their head coach is interesting, right,
because there's a lot of schools that hate their head coach,
but nobody has been fired so far, because as of today,
there have been no end season firings of head coaches
so far in college football. Now you and this is
coming from Pete Damil. He pointed this out. He said,
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compared to twenty twenty two, when there were five Power
five conference openings on October, tewod and he said the
reasons that he's heard that they're all due to the
changes in college football with the transfer rules, immediate portal
opening and NIL and the fear of their roster getting
gutted have made athletic directors more deliberate with obvious firing decisions.
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Fired too early and risk a swath of players red shirty.
And there's no also APR concerns with an early move. Now,
I wanted to address the APR for a second, because
that's the graduation rate essentially and how you're doing. But
it screws it up when so many players transfer. I
can't even imagine what Colorado's APR is going to look
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like in a few years. They may not even be
Bowl eligible. And it's not because there's no criticism of
Dion Sanders like this isn't like a criticism of Dion.
This is just a criticism of the metric that if
you do decide to turn your roster over, you are
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running a risk, a major risk, like Oregon was running
up on them like they were redlining when it came
to the APR about the number that you have to
keep it above and transfers that don't graduate, and the
more times people transfer, the less likely that they are
to graduate. So Oregon is doing everything possible, like if
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you leave and go to the league, they will they
will pay for you to come back and finish, like
they are like, please finish, we will do whatever we
need to do for you to finish. And other schools
are doing the exact same same thing and that leads
to coaches not being fired. So do you believe that
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Pete Damil is right and that's why coaches that the
transfer portal and their rosters are why coaches and obvious
firing situations aren't being fired.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Yeah, I think I think that that's a really good
judgment because there's you know, it used to be it
used to be a race you used to try to
get somebody fired so you could be the first person
to talk to their agent, line something up or whatever.
But there's nothing saying that you can't be having these
conversations behind the scenes anyway. Like, there's probably a lot
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of people I in this Baylor job right now. There's
definitely a lot of people I in the Florida job.
But I think it's actually better for college football to
have somebody finish out conference play and then get dismissed
from there. You know, I don't think there's any rules
in place that you can't negotiate, you know, as somebody
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who follows Arizona State, I know for a fact that
Ray Anderson and her Edwards are probably having six months
of conversations before Todd Graham was let go. You know,
I'm pretty sure when dealing with agents, you can have
whatever conversation you want. So I do think it's better.
I think it's better for college football. I don't know
the mid season firings. How often does that actually say
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the program, Especially when you don't have ownership of these
players anymore. They can come and go as they please.
So I don't I think Pete Thamil's right, and I
do think it's better for college football to not have
people losing their jobs in mid October.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
Yes, yep, Okay, so let's talk about I guess some
of those teams right and who they are. Let's look
at you already brought up Dave Randa at Baylor. Do
you think he's going to be gone after this season?
Speaker 2 (28:16):
The only way that he's not is if they go
on some like five and one run the rest of
the way.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Yeah, yeah, because they are what two and four right now?
Speaker 2 (28:28):
I believe? So yeah, all right with with with games
they should have won, which is like one of the
key metrics when you can boil it down to like
if we had a different coach here, it would have
been different.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
Okay. Then there's Billy Napier at Florida. He should have
went for two against Tennessee because if he beats Tennessee
and then wins another big game, it would have been
hard to fire him. And then there's Southern Missis coach
will Haul Trent deal for over at you U A
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b which is not looking good right now. Sam Pittman
over at Arkansas. That one doesn't feel as hot as
it was, But I don't think it's also cooled off either,
Like I don't think that that what was it? The
who did they just beat? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (29:29):
They they had to win over Auburn.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
Yeah, well, well that for sure, ain't gonna cool your
hot seat. But they had another win too, I am
I'm pulling pulling it up now.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
They got close on Texas A and M, but they
didn't get that done. I don't think.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
Oh that Tennessee last week. Du Yeah, they got Tennessee
last week. So now they're sitting at feign foreign two.
So his schedule could actually set up for him to win.
If he gets the eight wins. I think he'll be fine.
If he beats LSU this weekend, he's good for the year.
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He's good for the year probably unless he loses the Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
If they beat if they beat Louisiana Tech and Mississippi State,
I think they probably only need one other win because
the other three teams are ranked.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
Yep, exactly, That's what I'm saying. If they beat LSU
this weekend, that's back to back top ten wins, and
then and beat Mississippi State in Louisiana Tech, and you're good.
I think he's safe. Yeah, at that point in time.
How about Ryan Walters over at Purdue who played the
Ducks this week.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
They have looked a lot better since firing Graham Harrell,
And you know he shouldn't worry. He shouldn't worry. If
he gets fired, He's gonna get a call from an
SEC team offering him one point five to coach the
defense on day one. He's an incredible defensive coach. They
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might not have the person l at Purdue too to
stop anybody right now. And he's definitely he's not on
he's not on Jeff Brom's love well, we know that.
But as far as coaching the defense, Illinois would Illinois
would take him back in a heartbeat like that.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
You know he did a yes, yes, they would. They
would love to have him back. How about Hugh Freeze
over at Auburn, because that one feels like he never
should have been hired, feels like that was going south fast.
I'm sure he would be fine with the buyout. Yeah,
I don't.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
He never should have been fired in the first place.
He's one, he's one of the or he never should have.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
Never house I was like from from old myths.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
Are you sure no, he never should have been hired
in the first place. He Uh no, he I'm surprised
he's there now. Like they stink. He stinks if they lose.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
To Missouri because they have Missouri Kentucky, Vanderbilt, ULM, Texas
A and M, and Alabama. I think they will for
sure lose to Alabama actually, or they might luck up
and beat Alabama because Alabama's kind of ad times. But
if they lose to either Kentucky or Vanderbilt, which is
a legitimate possibility, and they lose this weekend to Missouri,
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that will put them at seven losses. If he doesn't
make a bowl game this year, I think that that
Auburn is unless they're being stubborn and saying we're not
going to do what we keep doing, which is firing coaches,
then they'll be firing another coach.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
Auburn is the one school in the country that I think,
you know, they have so many boosters who want to
contribute to the program. They're like boosters should have to
sign a pledge that they're not going to interfere in
order to give money, because I mean, Auburn has so
much they want Auburn to win. They're still going to donate.
But at this point, like you got to get all
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them in a room and make them apologize.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
Yeah, and we will not fish are our friends, dude.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
You got to get you got you need to have
an athletic director at Auburn that is responsible for making
all of the decisions because the the the Brian Harson
thing and the way that they turned on him and
then the making uh making what's his name fire and
OC that didn't even call the plays every single year Malson. Yes,
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like they're just they're just so dysfunctional there.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
Now, I know that neither one of these teams has wax.
This first team has no chance of firing their their
head coach, nor should they because one bad season doesn't
beget anything. And that is Florida State. Florida State with
Mike Norvelle. What like, this ain't going right? So what
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should happen there?
Speaker 2 (34:19):
You know? I think this is the kind of the
what can happen in the NIL era. It almost makes
it like do you remember when when the Florida Marlins
bought a World Series?
Speaker 1 (34:34):
Yes? Yes, yes, then they tore it down the next year.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Yeah, they like put a World Series on the credit card.
The Diamondbacks kind of did that too in two thousand
and one. College football has the ability to kind of
be that. Now you get airs in place through the
transfer portal through NIL and then they leave and then
that next year. If it's not the right mix, it
could be real bad.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Now, how about Lincoln Riley over at USC because he's
got over the over eighty million dollars left on a buyout,
and I actually think that he's actually got things headed
in the right direction too. But it takes twenty one
days to build a habit in like twenty one games
to change things. And he's only six games into trying
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to play some real defense and be a physical team.
So if his team mails it in on this year,
it's over. It's over. Jay. They might as well. He
might as well just walk out the door and walk
into a new door. But if, but if he does
manage to keep this season on the rails and doesn't
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get blown out in any games, and they continue growing
and growing, they will be better next year. And then
the year after that is when they will really start
to pay some dividends. But people keep talking about their
recruiting classes and all of this stuff, and I'm like, okay,
and they said, oh, we we got all these freshmen
that aren't playing. If your defense looks like like this,
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it's actually a little bit concerning that your defense is
not good like that. Well, that your defense doesn't have
those freshmen playing because at that point in time, you
could say, oh, man, listen, listen, these dudes are making
some freshman mistakes. But we got him next year. So
that part is a little bit concerning. But I do
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believe that he's on the right track over at USC.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
Yeah, I know, no USC fan wants to hear this. Like,
if I had to put like five coaches out there
that I think are doing the best job with what
they had, he would be on that list. Yes, And
I understand the frustration of USC fans being like, he
gave us what we had.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
Like he's doing better with right, You're right, but he's still.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
You're not going to get a better offensive coach than him,
no period. You're not gonna get somebody you know, and
you are USC. You'll have great quarterbacks commit to the
laundry always. That's a great thing about being USC. But
you're not gonna get your pick of the litter. He
will always get his pick of the litter always. And
now that he's come around to the idea of what
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of what a high level defense needs to look like
in order to compete, I'm actually excited about USC's future.
You just have to. You just have to if you're
a USC fan, trick yourself into believing this is his
first year. You have to because if you do that,
you could say like, hey, we're in a new league.
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But there's that thing that pride that's like, no, we're USC.
We're USC. Like you haven't been in a really long time,
and this is the closest that you've been to building
something sustainable. You are on the right track. I'm so
encouraged by USC, but I'm watching their fans lose their
minds because they love Minnesota and I'm like, yeah, but
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you lost the right way. You're on the right yes,
and maybe and maybe it's you know, being Wyoming, being
an Arizona State family, being able to see, being able
to see like ASU went three and nine last year.
How many conversations did you and I have like they
went three and nine the right way?
Speaker 1 (38:18):
Yes, yes, yes, exactly, And that's what you have to learn.
But people are so results oriented that they can't see
the process. All right, Yeah, next thing up, there's a
lot of injuries out there in college football. Tory Horton
is out for the season at Colorado State Wide. Receiver
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Sam Levitt is out for some time. Over at ASU,
Cam Rising is out for the year. Over at Utah,
Ben Morrison is out, Graham Mertz is out for the
year at Florida. And this is very because sometimes people
are trying to preserve their red shirts. Rising got an
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eighth year, and you just got to adapt because byu
started a defensive lineman at center versus Arizona. Now, I
don't know how sustainable that that is. Maybe the kid
played center in high school. Maybe he you know, they've
been practicing with him just in cases he's the backup
or something like that like that, but it is next
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man up. And this is why depth is so important, and.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
Depth is difficult in this day and age of college football.
So you're gonna see, you're gonna see some people get
some opportunities and have to step into some roles that
you know, you came in believing like no, I'm you know,
I'm split out And they're like, well, no, you're a
slot today, like we we need you. You know that
that's really what football football like next man up in football,
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Like that's the biggest thing is how how can you
how can you sustain a season through the natural bumps
of bruises that come along with it, you know, and
some of these losses are going to be real tough.
Now Florida was trying to do a two quarterback thing.
This pushes them into the future.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
So that for for for Florida, it kind of is
what it is and it could end up being a
good thing for DJ Wagway in his development for Arizona State.
It's probably scary hours, right because you've got you know,
Jeff Simms has you know, has made a lot of mistakes.
And for Utah it's almost necessary because they've been a
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prisoner of analyzing's health yep.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
Yeah, and it's just time, like and there's no dispair
has been upon cam know that the that they don't
love them. But sometimes in relationships it's time time to
call it quits, even if even if there's love and
everything else there because it's just not working.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
Yeah, Utah got to do the Leo DiCaprio and say
you're twenty five, it's time to move on.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
All right? Now, the question this is hot or not?
I like this segment. You can call it. We can
call it whatever we want to. This is hot or not?
So there was a we will we will start with
these uniforms, Ralph, I'm gonna put them up on the screen.
These are the Pit uniforms. I mean Pitt. That just
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reminds me of Pit, the Illinois uniforms they are. They
have a sticker on them that the helmets look like
leather helmets and it's like those old school Green Bay
in the NFL uniforms when they start wearing them super
throwbacks are Do you like these, Ralph or do you
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hate them?
Speaker 2 (41:41):
I like the helmet, I hate the pants because they
tried to make the pants match the stomach stripes and
if you got uh, you you, if you're not as
melanized like me, it's gonna make it look like you're
running out to your ding dong out. I was hating.
It's a bad look on TV.
Speaker 1 (42:02):
The helmets are very It is definitely gonna be a
weird look on television when it's gonna look like that
they're just out there butt naked in socks.
Speaker 2 (42:14):
Yep, I don't know. I think that.
Speaker 1 (42:16):
I love the idea though it's cute.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
I do love the idea. Yes, it's gonna look funny.
I guarantee you if there's gonna be some very funny
screenshots from this game.
Speaker 1 (42:26):
Yep, all right, next one U USC. You can pay
in between fourteen hundred and eighteen hundred bucks and you
two can run out of the tunnel with USC. And
a Penn State fan decided to do that. He was like, Yo,
this this sounds amazing. He did it in Penn State gear,
running the team out of the locker room. I love
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the trolling. Love it. USC fans were like, oh, who
cares he gave money a n il listen as a
school Nah, I'm with the Steve Bomber approach. If you
sit in the student section, well in their new fans section,
and into it, you cannot wear any team, any other
team's stuff. It is sad. It is clear as day
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you will be kicked out. And I love it. I
love it, and I would not let anybody. I'd be like, Nope,
you can't run out, here's your refund. But then what
he would do is, if fit were me, I would
have a USC jersey on on top. But then when
as soon as we start running out, what you want
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to do?
Speaker 2 (43:31):
Now? The two things I love from this is James
Franklin called the guy and like face timed with him
and said, what's up to him after that. That was
very fun.
Speaker 1 (43:46):
That was worth the fourteen hundred bucks to him, probably
all by itself.
Speaker 2 (43:50):
Oh my gosh. Yeah. Absolutely. And then the other thing
is that, you know, I don't think college football fans
should have the attitude that some of these pro teams have,
like the Arizona Cardinals, like the Los Angeles Chargers, like
the Carolina Panthers. They're like, hey, opposing team's fan money
is green too. I don't think colleges should have. I
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think called like there should be some level of pride. Yes,
when it comes to let him run out of the
tunnel with the players, like do you what do you think?
The look on the players and coaches faces were like,
what the hell are we? What the hell are we
doing here? Like unless that fourteen hundred dollars is going
into my pocket, no, thank.
Speaker 1 (44:32):
You, one hundred percent. Next thing up, hot or not.
Travis Hunter lobbying for the Heisman Trophy.
Speaker 2 (44:46):
I love it. I think I love it.
Speaker 1 (44:50):
Yeah, don't it, Hits, don't shy away from it. Everybody
else has done it. Jayden Daniels hit the Heisman. That's
lobbying court. You had, Desmond Howard did it. A lot
of the other Heisman Trophy winners have done it because
they were like, I want you to know. I want
this thing, and sometimes you gotta let people know. And
he missed a game too, That's the perfect time, boy,
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missed two thirds of a game. That's the perfect time
to lie before it. Sign me up, good job, Travis Hunter.
Speaker 2 (45:21):
I think players that aren't even in the conversation should
should be I think the best offensive lineman in the
country should be like, hey, I want it too, Like
it's it's good for the award, it's good for the committee,
Like yeah, it just makes it that much better and
more prestigious. But I hit the ear funny. But then
the more I thought about it, I was like, man,
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I want Ashton Gentz to be like, shut up, Travis,
I want t mac to play defense this week. Like
I want people to start doing Yeah, I want people
to start doing things specifically to like playoff of the
stuff that's happening in the media out. I love that.
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I love the like just the hyper awareness. It's very cool.
Speaker 1 (46:08):
All right, Next thing up? Hot or not? Jedfish fundraising
off of Ohio State in Oregon. He's like, look at,
look at look at what can happen with these sorts
of rosters. Look at what can can happen? Not hot
bro not.
Speaker 2 (46:26):
No. If he wasn't talking about your team, what would
What would you have thought about it?
Speaker 1 (46:32):
Same thing, same thing. Yes, you are supposed to motivate
your donors. However, just throwing money at the problem, oh miss,
doesn't mean that you're gonna go undefeated or be ready
to do it. Yes, it is nil a big portion
of it. Yes, coaches can lobby their their donors and
boosters and everything else. There's nothing wrong with that part
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of it. But to act like if you give me
twenty million dollars, you too, you two cans in autsin stadium,
or like YouTube can can beat o Ohio State. It
works like that, But it don't work like that, if
that makes sense. And it ain't twenty million dollars anyway,
at least a name at Oregon. I know what the
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number is, and it ain't twenty million dollars for show.
It ain't nowhere close to twenty million dollars. People just
think that it's outrageous that people want to be there
when other people offer them more.
Speaker 2 (47:27):
Yeah, I have two feelings on it.
Speaker 1 (47:31):
Number one back wasn't cheap, Just so you know, the
quarterback was not cheap.
Speaker 2 (47:38):
So I have two feelings on it. Number one is
in any fundraising position, you you just gotta do it.
I get I didn't even sign up. I didn't even
sign up, And I get seventeen emails a day from
Tim Walls.
Speaker 1 (47:54):
Ye be like, hees me. I get them from Trump,
from Tim Walls and everything I see, and I haven't
pressed stop just because I like to see. I'm like,
what the hell are they talking about today? Not that
I cared, because I can't wait for the election to
be over. I know who I'm voting for. Everybody already
knows what they're voting for, and I just want it
off of my timeline.
Speaker 2 (48:16):
I'm afraid I wish that because early voting just started.
I wish that if you early voted, you could be like, hey,
I don't count anymore, like leave me alone. My mail
box is full of stuff I don't want. Like but
but but you do always have to be fundraising. You
always have to be fundraising. And I mean, I got
a I got a creative writing degree from Arizona State.
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They still call and ask me for money even though
they got a billion dollar endownment. You just always have
to be fundraising. So I don't blame Jetfish for that.
I think there's another way to do it. I think
you say, like, hey, look at the atmosphere and excitement
of that game. The way we get there is to donate.
I don't think you got to comment on other people's rosters,
because the truth of the matter is Washington is not
hurting for nil, not comparatively. They're actually doing really, really good.
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But you have to be careful of the way that
you do it, because Jed Fish kind of looked like
whiny because especially coming off a loss, commenting on your
rival and the environment that they had there. Right, But
what did Kenny Dillingham do this week? He said, Hey,
if you cashed out that over four and a half,
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give it to the players.
Speaker 1 (49:21):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (49:24):
There's ways to fundraise that don't look needy and thirsty.
But yeah, Washington's not hurting for money, but you have
to be relentless, and I you know, sometimes it comes
off looking bad. Mark Stoops keeps bringing up nil when
he makes nine million dollars a year. It looks bad.
Every time you kick in il Mark.
Speaker 1 (49:49):
Yep, exactly, Yeah, yeah, exactly. You take off a mill
and just put it in in in in il Sam.
All right, now it is time for our picks this week.
And yeah, your boy's closing the gap. Your boys closing
the gap because on the season, huh, I had a
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bad week too, Yeah you went one and four. I
have just been constantly in this three and two vortex
of just three and two, three and two, three and
two sixty percent six. I guess that's really good if
I can go sixty percent. I mean, granted, Latt last
year was tremendously better around seventy, but damn sixty percent.
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I think that a lot of people would take that.
Speaker 2 (50:36):
I would take it at this point.
Speaker 1 (50:39):
So Ralph is twenty one and fifteen. I'm twenty and sixteen,
and and our picks for this week. First game up
Miami minus four and a half at Louisville. We got
my boy Tyler Schuck and he is in a position
where he gets to to, you know, try to try
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to win, try to prove to everybody what the hell's
going on. And Tyler Shuck has a chance to upset Miami.
This is the team that that Louisville has. Just wait
till we play Miami. All right, here's your opportunity. Actually,
for the first time, I like Miami to cover now
mad mind you, I've been right the other two times
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where I picked them, uh to not cover minus four
and a half book Itt Ralph book it.
Speaker 2 (51:34):
Ellen or Yeah, Louisville fans, if you screw me on this,
I'm never listening to you about anything ever again, because
you've been on this game since before the season started.
You had this game circle that might be about there
for four and two. Yeah, George said that. George said
that the acc runs through Miami and Louisville fans were like,
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uh not on October nineteenth, that doesn't. So I'm I'm
gonna rock with Louisville. But if you guys screw me
on this, I'm done. I'm done, all right.
Speaker 1 (52:06):
Next game up Nebraska at Indiana minus six and a half.
This is a big noon kickoff. Dylan Ryola has the
opportunity to continue to semit himself on the pregame thing.
They referred to him as baby baby my homes. I
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was like, oh god, stop, don't do this. Don't do this,
like you're setting him up for a failure even if
he's really good. So I am taking the Hoosiers, who
are underrated. I think this offense is gonna put up
too many points. This could be a high score in affair,
This could be like a forty two thirty five game.
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But I like the Hoosiers minus six and a half.
Speaker 2 (52:57):
I think you have to score thirty five to win,
and Nebraska hasn't done that in seventeen consecutive Big Ten games.
Give me Indiana.
Speaker 1 (53:06):
Next game up, Georgia at Texas, the game of the
century again sort of, even though it was last week
and Texas is favorite by five points. Ralph, I'm looking
at this Georgia team. Yes, they can win this game.
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There's a lot of things not to trust. Their offensive
line has just been okay. Texas's defensive line is good.
There's a lot and you guys gonna watch the video
picks against the spread as well. I just don't trust them, Ralph.
I just do not trust Georgia this year. I think
that Texas is an elite team, a team that I trust,
and I'm taking Texas minus five.
Speaker 2 (53:51):
Wow. I tell you what, I would love to be
in the room full of NFL gms and scouts when
they're watching Quinn viewers against Carson Beck because you're probably
talking about two of the top five quarterbacks coming off
the board, and Quinn Ewers has really shined in big games,
really shined. However, Texas has not had the they haven't
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had room to breathe. It's just been tough game after
tough game after tough game. I think something has to
break at some point, and I'm rooting for chaos. So
I'm gonna go with my gut and say that Georgia
covers on this one.
Speaker 1 (54:31):
Okay, Alabama at Tennessee plus three. Everything that I've seen
over the last couple of weeks says that Alabama's going
to win this game. I do believe that the fans
at Nieland Stadium are gonna be They are going to
be hot. Oh Autsen Stadium is now the best place
so play college football. Will will show you. I think
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that they are going to show up and show out.
It is going to be a big impact on this
game and be why the reason why Tennessee not only wins, well,
not only beats this plus three, but also wins the
football game outright. But I'm still taking the points. It's
not one of them. I don't want my point so.
Speaker 2 (55:15):
I'm rocking with I'm rocking with Alabama and what and
this is a weird thing, but like what convinced me
was Travis Hunter going on that podcast and lobbying for
the Heisman because Jalen Milroe did it, screamed it into
a camera last year.
Speaker 1 (55:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (55:33):
Yeah, you know, he wants he wants to be on
that stage so bad. This is gonna be his signature moment.
So give me Alabama.
Speaker 1 (55:41):
Ooh, when you put it like that, you might be right.
Damn all right. Last game, Illinois hosting Michigan. Illinois is
a three point dog. In this game, Luke Altmar is
glowing up. Michigan still doesn't know what they're doing at
quarter back. I think Tuttle may be starting again over
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Orgi and Davis Warren. I don't know what they're doing,
and neither do they know what they're doing at quarterback.
I am going to reluctantly trust Illinois. I did against
Penn State. They they just whooped me. They just and
I'm gonna tell you this, Ralph, just like you did
with them other fans from Louisville. You're dead to me,
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Illinois if you don't cover this plus three you're dead
to me, I think.
Speaker 2 (56:38):
Illinois might here. I'm gonna I'm I'm gonna issue a guarantee.
I'm gonna issue a guarantee Illinois will look like cheeks
on Saturday. Why because of the uniforms, Because they'll literally.
Speaker 1 (56:53):
Look like, oh you're funny.
Speaker 2 (56:57):
Yes, hey, let's have some fun. And I'm going with
the lion.
Speaker 1 (57:00):
I all right. The lasting up is we have our contest, Ralph,
where are we sitting with the contest, I'm killing you.
Speaker 2 (57:14):
I'm killing you man. So to for people who are
new to the college football apostles, before the season, we
started an overrated underrated contest. I can't wait to bring
this back next year and include the fans. But what
we did is we held a draft. You and I
drafted three teams we think are overrated and three teams
we think are underrated, and then we use their Las
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Vegas season win total to create the scoring. So for
our overrated teams, every time they lose, we get three points.
For our underrated teams, every time they win, we get
three points. And then you get a bonus five full
points for every full game above or below that that
team finishes with the Vegas total I was lucky enough
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to get Florida State as one of my overrated teams,
and I was very fortunate to pick Pitt and Arizona
State as my underrated teams. Both Pitt and Arizona State
have already beat their season totals by week seven. So
now for every Pit in Arizona State win, I get
eight points. So where it stands right now is you
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have thirty nine points on the season. You have twelve
points from your overrated teams, twenty seven from your underrated teams.
Because your number one pick, Texas Tech has really taken off,
I have sixty three. I'm beating sixty three to thirty
nine because I have thirty nine points alone from my
underrated teams thanks to Pitt, Stanford and Arizona State. This
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could get ugly, dude, This could get really ugly.
Speaker 1 (58:43):
Yes, yes, I gotta do better next season. And you guys,
this is the college football Apostles. Make sure you'd like subscribe, share,
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next week.
Unafraid show college football apostles, and we got a lot
to talk about today, friends, because of course Oregon and
Ohio State, who's number one? And the experience that I
had on the sideline at that game. What's going on
with the SEC? Oh, the mighty SEC. Everybody was talking
about they can't be touched. They got seven teams in
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the top ten? Yeah, what keeps happening? And oh but
it's a great conference. Yes, it's a great conference. But
let's be let's get back to reality people. Now we
gotta put coaches and well teams into tiers today. Are
they elite, are they good? Are they above average? Et cetera,
et cetera? And will there be coaches staying during the season,
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because I don't think we've had a college football coach
fire jet. This feels like something's in the mix. And
there's a bunch of injuries that are going on that
are impacting the rest of the season. There are red shirts,
all the stuff that we have to talk about, and
we got to talk about a hot or not list?
Is this cool? Or is this out of pocket? And
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then of course our picks against the spread and our
picks overall as well. But let's start Ralph before we
get into the Oregon Ohio State thing. I want to
talk about the SEC because there's been a lot of
talk about the SEC, and it was not too long ago.
I am old enough to remember when everybody was trying
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to tell me that the SEC they are undefeatable. Look
at all these look at all these ranked teams inside
of the top ten, Look at Tennessee Best. They may
be the best team ever that we've ever seen Georgia
Alabama and since then Alabama's well. First thing, the SEC
has a losing record in the non conference versus power
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for teams. Let me repeat that, the SEC has a
losing record in the nine conference against Power four teams
this year and last year against Power five teams. So
I don't want to hear when you get in the
conference play talking about, oh see, look all these teams
are losing because it's the SEC gauntlet. No, that's not it.
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You can't say, on one hand, route that you're the
best conference, nobody can touch you top to bottom, and
then have a losing record in the non conference the
last two years, and then your best teams get upset
by teams that you deem inferior and now all of
a sudden, you want to use this as a as
a sign of strength. How about Winno Pac twelve was
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doing it, Ralph, They were like, oh, they played them
they played themselves out of it.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Yeah. I firmly believe that we should propose a slogan
change for the SEC. It just means more as fantastic.
I don't think you can get better than that. But
you told me to watch the movie Friday and so
you know that that that's fresh in my head for
SEC fans, I feel like the slogan should be oh,
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but that was different, excuse for literally everything when you're like, okay,
so how come you have a losing record? Oh, that's different,
like that that doesn't apply to this, this and this.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Yes, like what why?
Speaker 2 (03:17):
How how come Alabama has given up ninety nine points
in the last three games for the first time in
six years. Oh, that's different. First year coach, like, they
have an excuse for everything. Uh, and it never ever
occurs to them that if the playing field was leveled,
they would probably still have three of the best six
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teams in college football correct every single year, yep, but
they wouldn't be able to make excuse with the non
conference schedule, not playing nine conference games, the fact that
a lot of their mid tier teams can't hang with
other mid tier teams from other conferences. And then just
this week you had Quinn Shawn Judkins say that he
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believed that Big Ten players were more fundamentally sound, that
they actually coached better football outside the SEC, which might
be true because you can rely on great athletes in
the SEC, and I think a lot of coaches do.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
All right, let me give you the top ten after
Week three in college football. Okay, Georgia's number one, Oh
Texas number two, Alabama number three, oh Miss number I'm sorry,
Alabama number four, Oh Miss number five, Missouri six, Tennessee seven.
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That was. And then you had LSU down at sixteen,
even after they took the USC loss. That's what you had, Ralph,
That's what you had after week three, and Tennessee didn't
play any good teams in the non conference. Now, granted,
they can't control that. NC State is just just a
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flaming mess right now. They can't control that. But and
they beat the hell out of them. Oh Miss didn't
play anybody with a pulse until conference play started, So
like of course you're gonna look good. Of course you're
gonna look good. And now we get to week eight.
So five weeks later, Texas number one, Georgia number five,
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Alabama inexplicably number seven, still LSU eight, and then Tennessee eleven.
That's what we got, Ralph, that's what we got. So
we only got three teams that have survived the top ten.
But oh but look at that big ten though, Oregon too,
Penn State three, Ohio State four. Is there something in
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the water here, because we're gonna have Texas and Georgia
play this week. If Texas blows them out, Georgia probably,
how far do you think that they fall, Ralph, they're
at number five right now, how far do they fall
if Georgia blows them If Texas blows out.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Georgia, eleven would be the bottom?
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Yeah? I think so too? Like And can we not
going to care that BYU is undefeated? I guarantee you
they keep them in front of BYU guarantee. And if
BYU blows them out this, if BYU blows out another game,
they're not gonna care like George is gonna have to
be in terms of AP voters. Now, the college Football
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Playoff voters that meet in November may have a different say,
But the AP voters, they get so caught up in
the logos, and even our discussions about teams get caught
up in the logos more than the actual thing that
gets presented on the field.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
But can we talk about how it's not actually a
good look for the SEC to have Texas at number one?
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Why?
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Just like it's because it's not it's not good look
for the Big Ten to have Oregon come in and
run through everybody. It's not a good look for the
SEC to have Texas come in and run through everybody.
It won't be a good look for the Big twelve
if if Arizona State continues doing what they're doing after
a three and nine season, and it's not gonna be
a great look for the ACC when Syracuse finishes with
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ten wins and one of their losses is to Stanford,
Right Like, if we're I'll put it this way, if
we're not gonna let James Messing go the Bole game
because it doesn't count in their first real year, then
that's the energy that we should have for everybody who's
joining a conference in the first year acting like they've
been in the sec. No, they haven't. If they come
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to your house and they knock your teeth in, that's
a bad look on you.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
This our house, now, pump, this is our house.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Next year if you want to claim them, fine, But
year one, year one feels very weird to me.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Yes, yes, absolutely. And speaking of the top twenty five,
rouph here I'm putting up on the screen the top
twenty five unafraid shows top twenty five for this week,
and people were probably shocked when they saw it. I
have Oregon one, which I feel is not natural. They
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have the best win and they have more top twenty
five wins top twenty wins than Texas. They have a
better strength to schedule by fifty spots and bet and
the number one strength of record in the nation. So
that sounds like I mean, those are all the justifications
that they would use to put any other team at
number one. Texas to Ohio State three, Miami four, Penn
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State five, Georgia six BYU seven, and people were spinning, Oh,
how could you have BYU at seven? Have youall watched
them play? No, no, no, you haven't, so be quiet.
Notre Dame at eight, Clemson at nine. Now Clemson is ascending,
but they haven't really played anybody good yet. Indiana ten,
then LSU, and people were like, where the hell's Bama?
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Will we will get to them, Iowa State twelve, Texas
saying them thirteen, Illinois fourteen, Pit fifteen, Vandy sixteen, Alabama seventeen,
Tennessee eighteen, and then so on and so forth, and
people were like, how the hell could you have Alabama
at seventeen because that's exactly what I would do to
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a team that didn't look good. Oregon their first couple
weeks didn't look good that they were. They started the
season I think, on the unffraid Jo Pole, inside of
the top four, and then we're in We're like somewhere
around thirteen at the lowest because I was like, I
don't like what I'm seeing right now. And Alabama lost
to Bandy. Then they came back and put on another
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poor performance. Their defense is leaky, their offense gets stagnant.
That don't look like a top top ten team to me, buddy, like,
there's nothing about Alabama that looks like a top ten team.
And Tennessee same thing. Their offense has gone in. Somebody
hit the e break on them. As soon as Hey,
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they found some competition. It was Oklahoma who couldn't even
muster anything against Texas, and we're supposed to and Texas
scored thirty four points on them. And this Tennessee offense
has been sagnet. But they will sit here and act
like this Tennessee Alabama game that the winner of this
game is is just tremendous, and that ain't the truth.
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They're both they're both really good teams, but they're not
elite teams right now.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
I agree with you, and it also makes college football
a little bit more fun. But you can't. Can't. You
have to judge what happens on the field. You can't
get caught up in the branding. You really can't. Like
here's a fun thought exercise. Put Jalen Milrow on any
of the teams that are ranked above Alabama in your
top twenty five. I think he makes most of those
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teams even better than they are now. Like he is,
and and this is why, oh my goodness, you're not.
I just got goosebumps thinking about it. Like he is.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Imagine peating him on Notre Dame.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
It would be incredible. He is, he is what you
have all these Alabama players that have won Heismans. But
I've for some reason, I've never been more excited than
the idea of this year an Alabama player winning the
Heisman because he actually is dragging this team uphill. Mm hmm.
Everybody else is kind of a product of being part
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of an incredible team.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Replacement, Yeah, and he.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
For him, but you could probably you could probably plug
one of the top five running backs into that Boise
State offense and they might not be doing what Ashton
gent is right now. But you can't, Like, I don't
think you could replace Jalaln Milroe with anybody, and I
think Alabama's might be like three and three without him.
It's crazy.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Yep, that's the fact. Jack. All Right, Now, let's talk
about which teams are elite since we have the top
twenty five up, and which ones are good and which
ones are just above average. So we'll go off the
underfragedho poll and let and let's start. I believe that Oregon, Texas,
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Ohio State are the elite teams this year. Those are
the only three I see as elite right now.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Yes, if if Georgia had finished that comeback against Alabama,
I think I probably tricked into saying them as well.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Yeah, I would agree.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
I agree. It's three. It's three teams right now.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Yeah, and then the very good category. And mind you,
the very good can beat the elite if the elite
don't play their A minus game or their B plus game.
And those teams are Miami, Penn State, Georgia, BYU, Notre Dame,
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and yeah, and maybe Texas A and M. Maybe Texas
A and M because I'm not sure about Texas A
and M. And I'm not sure quite about Clemson or
or Iowa State or Illinois right now or pitt Really.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Yeah, I'm I think I would stop at six. I
think that's what makes this year so fun. I think
that Miami is very good, even though they've been playing
with fire. Penn State is clearly very very good, and
Georgia's very good. And then you get to BYU and
you're like, oh, that's a good team, but it doesn't
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I think they would get thumped by I don't know.
They might, they might give Miami a game because Miami
again just the I think maybe there's some coaching issues there.
The mystery for me is is Clemson kind of like
Georgia where they got their teeth kicked in because they
weren't ready. But the rest of the season, they they
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found their footing, but they just didn't have the respect
because of the big beatdown that they took. And then
I'm with you Texas A and m very curious SMU
since the quarterback switch, very very curious. And then Indiana
honestly like maybe maybe and I And for them it's
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the opposite of Miami, like I trust their coaches implicitly yes,
if I'm yes.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
The dude is has the arrogance and the audacity to believe.
He's gotten that whole team to believe why not us?
And they have good players. So he's the kind of
coach that you talk about sleeping giant that's one of
them teams because he can get people to buy in
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that if he gets the right players, they are going
to be a problem, a major problem for people. And
it's gonna take a few years for them to get
adjusted to it. They're gonna be like, Okay, yeah, we
lost to Indiana this year. Okay, damn, we lost him twice.
Damn Okay, and they beat them too, all right, this
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this could be a thing. We gotta we gotta stop them.
They must be stopped at all costs. Like that's that's
the way that it's gonna turn.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
And for people who don't know this, like Indiana, it
is as far as like it's place in America. It
is the mecca of basketball at the grassroots level. Like
people say like, oh yeah, hoo's yours. You know, No,
it's not just who's it's like the high school level,
the AAU left Like basketball is what everybody in Indiana loves.
But you know how you turn basketball fans onto football, Yeah,
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you drop sixty yep. And that's what they've been doing.
And how many how many teams with elite offenses have
very very good pass defense? Almost none? And so I
I still am kind of on the fence and we're
gonna find out this weekend how good they really are.
But it if you plug even better players than they
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have now into what into what he's doing. I mean,
I just hope that Indiana can hang on to him.
This is this has been absolutely fun to watch, and
so I they could be on the cusp of being
very very good. We'll find out Saturday.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Yep. All right, we now let's get into our next topic,
which is this Oregon Ohio State situation, Ralph, I was
at this game. This game was absolutely special. It was special.
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There's a video about it on Nunafraid Show, So we
won't take you through all of that, so go check
that out where it says the titles like I was
on the sideline, here's what I saw, and guy was
in the locker room postgame pregame. I could feel the energy.
There was a lot of pomp and circumstance around it.
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It was it was like a Colorado game, damn near
you know. You know how Colorado sidelines are packed with
celebrities and who's who. That's the way it was for
this Oregon Ohio State game. Saw Geno Smith, Jackson Smith
and Jigba was there. Sam Howell he got a chance
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to big up to Sam Howe and Gino. They both
talked to my sons about quarterbacking. That was cool. It
was who else was it? I mean it was Ti
ty Barell from Modern Family, the guest picker. There was
a lot. Josh Hate was there. There was a lot
of freaking people there and you could just feel the moment.
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Oregon put on a hell of a show just with
the greatest showman thing prior to it to the whole thing.
But at the end of the day, I was very
disappointed in Ohio State with the post game because they're
head coach Ryan Day, who has come under fire like
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people acting like the dude sucks and it's it's it's ridiculous.
It's ridiculous, Like Nick Saban has set the bar so
high for college coaches that that people think, oh, because
we didn't win multiple Natties in a row, and this
and this, Oh, maybe our coach has lost it, like
they've they've lost the aspect of building things because they
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want to microwave everything. And it takes a long time
to be get your roster, even in the transfer portal
ready to win the national championship, to get your culture ready,
get your coaches ready. There takes in. You gotta have
some luck involved along along the way. And Ryan Day
and the press conference, he goes, Oh, we're not gonna
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blame any calls, you know, like the OPI, We're not
gonna blame this. We're not gonna Yes you are, that's
why you're bringing it up. And then their fans continue
to play the narrative the offensive pass, and that was
clear the offensive pass in appearance. I can take Maduck
hat off and be honest and just say that was. Yes,
it was a physical game that was way too physical.
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He dislodged the man put his arms out a full extension,
and they're like, oh, well that cost the game. No,
there were a couple other bad penalties that went against Oregon,
like that interception in the beginning of the game that
should have been reviewed by the booth, and there was
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a in addition to that, there was a drive killer
when Oregon was in think inside the twenty five. It
was a pass interference call and Oregon got no points
out of it because they said it was a legal
man downfield. That wasn't even nothing about that was and
they admitted that it was the wrong call. So yes,
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these things. It's a football game. Things went both ways.
I just Ohio State is too good of a team,
too good of a fan base. They're a blue blood
to be whiny, to be whiny. I didn't like that
part of it. Now I respect them, I respect everything
they do. They got a great team. They are blue bloods.
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This is one of those Like if I were talking
to my own kid, Ralph, like I would say to him, Son,
I love you. I love you, but that ain't cool
what you're doing. And that's exactly what we're saying to
Ohio State. What I'm saying in Ohio State is stopped
being whiny. You are too good to be whiny. Nobody
likes a whiny man.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Yeah. I feel bad for Ohio State fans. I do what.
I know that well, they had to watch the whole
Joe Burrow thing. Yeah, and I'm I'm sympathetic Jaden Daniels,
same thing happened to me. It is what it is.
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Kyle McCord is better. They would have won with him.
They know it. They're not gonna say it out loud,
but they would have won with Kyle McCord at quarterback. Maybe.
First of all, I don't think Oregon played that well.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
I think yes, I think that was the That was
the other part about it. Yeah, that's the part I
think you to scare you.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
I think you got a B level from Oregon and
I think you've got an A minus level effort from
I think both teams could have played better, but Oregon
clearly made way more mistakes like that that they had
a lot to review in film, in my opinion.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
And then the It's not like Jeremiah Smith and at
Buka didn't get off. They got like nineteen catches for
two hundred and what like forty yards between them. Yeah,
your stars got off.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Yeah. And then now they've had to watch Michigan win
a national championship when they haven't been able to get
that done. That's a lot that weighs heavy on them.
They've lost Oregon twice now, which really affects the way
that you see yourself because they they have to they
have to reconcile believing that they are the much better school,
much better fan base, much better nil and all that
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being zero to two and against Oregon in your last two.
That's tough to deal with. Your running backs who you
brought in didn't didn't get the job done against this
Oregon defense. And you grew up believing the PAC twelve
is soft, right, and so.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
You know, I do?
Speaker 2 (22:46):
You know they but they do whine a lot. They've
always been that way. I don't think that there you
say that they should be better. I don't think they are.
I think this is a top I think this is
a top three, noisy excuse making fan base. It just
so happens that they're good. You get Tennessee or Nebraska
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to this level, and they will eclipse Ohio State as
being just the loudest, craziest whine when stuff goes wrong.
But the fact that by now we haven't accepted that,
like officiating is not great. Yeah, and some stuff's gonna
go away, some stuff's gonna go your way. We they
secretly hate their coach. It's not even a secret. They
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hate their coach. Yes, so they have to deal with that,
like they're out here to feen Ryan day even though
they hate him, they are not one hundred percent sure
they made the right decision at quarterback. Michigan has been
better than them the last five years, and you know,
Joe Burrow is an Ohio native who won a Heisman
after he left you it's you know. And then Justin
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Field's got benched this week. They've got a lot going on, dude,
They've they got a lot that they're dealing with. So
I feel bad for Ohio State fans. Let them whine
yep and yeah yep.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
And now them secretly hating their head coach is interesting, right,
because there's a lot of schools that hate their head coach,
but nobody has been fired so far, because as of today,
there have been no end season firings of head coaches
so far in college football. Now you and this is
coming from Pete Damil. He pointed this out. He said,
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compared to twenty twenty two, when there were five Power
five conference openings on October, tewod and he said the
reasons that he's heard that they're all due to the
changes in college football with the transfer rules, immediate portal
opening and NIL and the fear of their roster getting
gutted have made athletic directors more deliberate with obvious firing decisions.
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Fired too early and risk a swath of players red shirty.
And there's no also APR concerns with an early move. Now,
I wanted to address the APR for a second, because
that's the graduation rate essentially and how you're doing. But
it screws it up when so many players transfer. I
can't even imagine what Colorado's APR is going to look
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like in a few years. They may not even be
Bowl eligible. And it's not because there's no criticism of
Dion Sanders like this isn't like a criticism of Dion.
This is just a criticism of the metric that if
you do decide to turn your roster over, you are
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running a risk, a major risk, like Oregon was running
up on them like they were redlining when it came
to the APR about the number that you have to
keep it above and transfers that don't graduate, and the
more times people transfer, the less likely that they are
to graduate. So Oregon is doing everything possible, like if
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you leave and go to the league, they will they
will pay for you to come back and finish, like
they are like, please finish, we will do whatever we
need to do for you to finish. And other schools
are doing the exact same same thing and that leads
to coaches not being fired. So do you believe that
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Pete Damil is right and that's why coaches that the
transfer portal and their rosters are why coaches and obvious
firing situations aren't being fired.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Yeah, I think I think that that's a really good
judgment because there's you know, it used to be it
used to be a race you used to try to
get somebody fired so you could be the first person
to talk to their agent, line something up or whatever.
But there's nothing saying that you can't be having these
conversations behind the scenes anyway. Like, there's probably a lot
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of people I in this Baylor job right now. There's
definitely a lot of people I in the Florida job.
But I think it's actually better for college football to
have somebody finish out conference play and then get dismissed
from there. You know, I don't think there's any rules
in place that you can't negotiate, you know, as somebody
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who follows Arizona State, I know for a fact that
Ray Anderson and her Edwards are probably having six months
of conversations before Todd Graham was let go. You know,
I'm pretty sure when dealing with agents, you can have
whatever conversation you want. So I do think it's better.
I think it's better for college football. I don't know
the mid season firings. How often does that actually say
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the program, Especially when you don't have ownership of these
players anymore. They can come and go as they please.
So I don't I think Pete Thamil's right, and I
do think it's better for college football to not have
people losing their jobs in mid October.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
Yes, yep, Okay, so let's talk about I guess some
of those teams right and who they are. Let's look
at you already brought up Dave Randa at Baylor. Do
you think he's going to be gone after this season?
Speaker 2 (28:16):
The only way that he's not is if they go
on some like five and one run the rest of
the way.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Yeah, yeah, because they are what two and four right now?
Speaker 2 (28:28):
I believe? So yeah, all right with with with games
they should have won, which is like one of the
key metrics when you can boil it down to like
if we had a different coach here, it would have
been different.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
Okay. Then there's Billy Napier at Florida. He should have
went for two against Tennessee because if he beats Tennessee
and then wins another big game, it would have been
hard to fire him. And then there's Southern Missis coach
will Haul Trent deal for over at you U A
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b which is not looking good right now. Sam Pittman
over at Arkansas. That one doesn't feel as hot as
it was, But I don't think it's also cooled off either,
Like I don't think that that what was it? The
who did they just beat? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (29:29):
They they had to win over Auburn.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
Yeah, well, well that for sure, ain't gonna cool your
hot seat. But they had another win too, I am
I'm pulling pulling it up now.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
They got close on Texas A and M, but they
didn't get that done. I don't think.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
Oh that Tennessee last week. Du Yeah, they got Tennessee
last week. So now they're sitting at feign foreign two.
So his schedule could actually set up for him to win.
If he gets the eight wins. I think he'll be fine.
If he beats LSU this weekend, he's good for the year.
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He's good for the year probably unless he loses the Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
If they beat if they beat Louisiana Tech and Mississippi State,
I think they probably only need one other win because
the other three teams are ranked.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
Yep, exactly, That's what I'm saying. If they beat LSU
this weekend, that's back to back top ten wins, and
then and beat Mississippi State in Louisiana Tech, and you're good.
I think he's safe. Yeah, at that point in time.
How about Ryan Walters over at Purdue who played the
Ducks this week.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
They have looked a lot better since firing Graham Harrell,
And you know he shouldn't worry. He shouldn't worry. If
he gets fired, He's gonna get a call from an
SEC team offering him one point five to coach the
defense on day one. He's an incredible defensive coach. They
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might not have the person l at Purdue too to
stop anybody right now. And he's definitely he's not on
he's not on Jeff Brom's love well, we know that.
But as far as coaching the defense, Illinois would Illinois
would take him back in a heartbeat like that.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
You know he did a yes, yes, they would. They
would love to have him back. How about Hugh Freeze
over at Auburn, because that one feels like he never
should have been hired, feels like that was going south fast.
I'm sure he would be fine with the buyout. Yeah,
I don't.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
He never should have been fired in the first place.
He's one, he's one of the or he never should have.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
Never house I was like from from old myths.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
Are you sure no, he never should have been hired
in the first place. He Uh no, he I'm surprised
he's there now. Like they stink. He stinks if they lose.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
To Missouri because they have Missouri Kentucky, Vanderbilt, ULM, Texas
A and M, and Alabama. I think they will for
sure lose to Alabama actually, or they might luck up
and beat Alabama because Alabama's kind of ad times. But
if they lose to either Kentucky or Vanderbilt, which is
a legitimate possibility, and they lose this weekend to Missouri,
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that will put them at seven losses. If he doesn't
make a bowl game this year, I think that that
Auburn is unless they're being stubborn and saying we're not
going to do what we keep doing, which is firing coaches,
then they'll be firing another coach.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
Auburn is the one school in the country that I think,
you know, they have so many boosters who want to
contribute to the program. They're like boosters should have to
sign a pledge that they're not going to interfere in
order to give money, because I mean, Auburn has so
much they want Auburn to win. They're still going to donate.
But at this point, like you got to get all
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them in a room and make them apologize.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
Yeah, and we will not fish are our friends, dude.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
You got to get you got you need to have
an athletic director at Auburn that is responsible for making
all of the decisions because the the the Brian Harson
thing and the way that they turned on him and
then the making uh making what's his name fire and
OC that didn't even call the plays every single year Malson. Yes,
(33:46):
like they're just they're just so dysfunctional there.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
Now, I know that neither one of these teams has wax.
This first team has no chance of firing their their
head coach, nor should they because one bad season doesn't
beget anything. And that is Florida State. Florida State with
Mike Norvelle. What like, this ain't going right? So what
(34:13):
should happen there?
Speaker 2 (34:19):
You know? I think this is the kind of the
what can happen in the NIL era. It almost makes
it like do you remember when when the Florida Marlins
bought a World Series?
Speaker 1 (34:34):
Yes? Yes, yes, then they tore it down the next year.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Yeah, they like put a World Series on the credit card.
The Diamondbacks kind of did that too in two thousand
and one. College football has the ability to kind of
be that. Now you get airs in place through the
transfer portal through NIL and then they leave and then
that next year. If it's not the right mix, it
could be real bad.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Now, how about Lincoln Riley over at USC because he's
got over the over eighty million dollars left on a buyout,
and I actually think that he's actually got things headed
in the right direction too. But it takes twenty one
days to build a habit in like twenty one games
to change things. And he's only six games into trying
(35:24):
to play some real defense and be a physical team.
So if his team mails it in on this year,
it's over. It's over. Jay. They might as well. He
might as well just walk out the door and walk
into a new door. But if, but if he does
manage to keep this season on the rails and doesn't
(35:44):
get blown out in any games, and they continue growing
and growing, they will be better next year. And then
the year after that is when they will really start
to pay some dividends. But people keep talking about their
recruiting classes and all of this stuff, and I'm like, okay,
and they said, oh, we we got all these freshmen
that aren't playing. If your defense looks like like this,
(36:06):
it's actually a little bit concerning that your defense is
not good like that. Well, that your defense doesn't have
those freshmen playing because at that point in time, you
could say, oh, man, listen, listen, these dudes are making
some freshman mistakes. But we got him next year. So
that part is a little bit concerning. But I do
(36:27):
believe that he's on the right track over at USC.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
Yeah, I know, no USC fan wants to hear this. Like,
if I had to put like five coaches out there
that I think are doing the best job with what
they had, he would be on that list. Yes, And
I understand the frustration of USC fans being like, he
gave us what we had.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
Like he's doing better with right, You're right, but he's still.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
You're not going to get a better offensive coach than him,
no period. You're not gonna get somebody you know, and
you are USC. You'll have great quarterbacks commit to the
laundry always. That's a great thing about being USC. But
you're not gonna get your pick of the litter. He
will always get his pick of the litter always. And
now that he's come around to the idea of what
(37:17):
of what a high level defense needs to look like
in order to compete, I'm actually excited about USC's future.
You just have to. You just have to if you're
a USC fan, trick yourself into believing this is his
first year. You have to because if you do that,
you could say like, hey, we're in a new league.
(37:39):
But there's that thing that pride that's like, no, we're USC.
We're USC. Like you haven't been in a really long time,
and this is the closest that you've been to building
something sustainable. You are on the right track. I'm so
encouraged by USC, but I'm watching their fans lose their
minds because they love Minnesota and I'm like, yeah, but
(38:02):
you lost the right way. You're on the right yes,
and maybe and maybe it's you know, being Wyoming, being
an Arizona State family, being able to see, being able
to see like ASU went three and nine last year.
How many conversations did you and I have like they
went three and nine the right way?
Speaker 1 (38:18):
Yes, yes, yes, exactly, And that's what you have to learn.
But people are so results oriented that they can't see
the process. All right, Yeah, next thing up, there's a
lot of injuries out there in college football. Tory Horton
is out for the season at Colorado State Wide. Receiver
(38:40):
Sam Levitt is out for some time. Over at ASU,
Cam Rising is out for the year. Over at Utah,
Ben Morrison is out, Graham Mertz is out for the
year at Florida. And this is very because sometimes people
are trying to preserve their red shirts. Rising got an
(39:01):
eighth year, and you just got to adapt because byu
started a defensive lineman at center versus Arizona. Now, I
don't know how sustainable that that is. Maybe the kid
played center in high school. Maybe he you know, they've
been practicing with him just in cases he's the backup
or something like that like that, but it is next
(39:23):
man up. And this is why depth is so important, and.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
Depth is difficult in this day and age of college football.
So you're gonna see, you're gonna see some people get
some opportunities and have to step into some roles that
you know, you came in believing like no, I'm you know,
I'm split out And they're like, well, no, you're a
slot today, like we we need you. You know that
that's really what football football like next man up in football,
(39:50):
Like that's the biggest thing is how how can you
how can you sustain a season through the natural bumps
of bruises that come along with it, you know, and
some of these losses are going to be real tough.
Now Florida was trying to do a two quarterback thing.
This pushes them into the future.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
So that for for for Florida, it kind of is
what it is and it could end up being a
good thing for DJ Wagway in his development for Arizona State.
It's probably scary hours, right because you've got you know,
Jeff Simms has you know, has made a lot of mistakes.
And for Utah it's almost necessary because they've been a
(40:27):
prisoner of analyzing's health yep.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
Yeah, and it's just time, like and there's no dispair
has been upon cam know that the that they don't
love them. But sometimes in relationships it's time time to
call it quits, even if even if there's love and
everything else there because it's just not working.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
Yeah, Utah got to do the Leo DiCaprio and say
you're twenty five, it's time to move on.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
All right? Now, the question this is hot or not?
I like this segment. You can call it. We can
call it whatever we want to. This is hot or not?
So there was a we will we will start with
these uniforms, Ralph, I'm gonna put them up on the screen.
These are the Pit uniforms. I mean Pitt. That just
(41:17):
reminds me of Pit, the Illinois uniforms they are. They
have a sticker on them that the helmets look like
leather helmets and it's like those old school Green Bay
in the NFL uniforms when they start wearing them super
throwbacks are Do you like these, Ralph or do you
(41:38):
hate them?
Speaker 2 (41:41):
I like the helmet, I hate the pants because they
tried to make the pants match the stomach stripes and
if you got uh, you you, if you're not as
melanized like me, it's gonna make it look like you're
running out to your ding dong out. I was hating.
It's a bad look on TV.
Speaker 1 (42:02):
The helmets are very It is definitely gonna be a
weird look on television when it's gonna look like that
they're just out there butt naked in socks.
Speaker 2 (42:14):
Yep, I don't know. I think that.
Speaker 1 (42:16):
I love the idea though it's cute.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
I do love the idea. Yes, it's gonna look funny.
I guarantee you if there's gonna be some very funny
screenshots from this game.
Speaker 1 (42:26):
Yep, all right, next one U USC. You can pay
in between fourteen hundred and eighteen hundred bucks and you
two can run out of the tunnel with USC. And
a Penn State fan decided to do that. He was like, Yo,
this this sounds amazing. He did it in Penn State gear,
running the team out of the locker room. I love
(42:47):
the trolling. Love it. USC fans were like, oh, who
cares he gave money a n il listen as a
school Nah, I'm with the Steve Bomber approach. If you
sit in the student section, well in their new fans section,
and into it, you cannot wear any team, any other
team's stuff. It is sad. It is clear as day
(43:10):
you will be kicked out. And I love it. I
love it, and I would not let anybody. I'd be like, Nope,
you can't run out, here's your refund. But then what
he would do is, if fit were me, I would
have a USC jersey on on top. But then when
as soon as we start running out, what you want
(43:31):
to do?
Speaker 2 (43:31):
Now? The two things I love from this is James
Franklin called the guy and like face timed with him
and said, what's up to him after that. That was
very fun.
Speaker 1 (43:46):
That was worth the fourteen hundred bucks to him, probably
all by itself.
Speaker 2 (43:50):
Oh my gosh. Yeah. Absolutely. And then the other thing
is that, you know, I don't think college football fans
should have the attitude that some of these pro teams have,
like the Arizona Cardinals, like the Los Angeles Chargers, like
the Carolina Panthers. They're like, hey, opposing team's fan money
is green too. I don't think colleges should have. I
(44:12):
think called like there should be some level of pride. Yes,
when it comes to let him run out of the
tunnel with the players, like do you what do you think?
The look on the players and coaches faces were like,
what the hell are we? What the hell are we
doing here? Like unless that fourteen hundred dollars is going
into my pocket, no, thank.
Speaker 1 (44:32):
You, one hundred percent. Next thing up, hot or not.
Travis Hunter lobbying for the Heisman Trophy.
Speaker 2 (44:46):
I love it. I think I love it.
Speaker 1 (44:50):
Yeah, don't it, Hits, don't shy away from it. Everybody
else has done it. Jayden Daniels hit the Heisman. That's
lobbying court. You had, Desmond Howard did it. A lot
of the other Heisman Trophy winners have done it because
they were like, I want you to know. I want
this thing, and sometimes you gotta let people know. And
he missed a game too, That's the perfect time, boy,
(45:12):
missed two thirds of a game. That's the perfect time
to lie before it. Sign me up, good job, Travis Hunter.
Speaker 2 (45:21):
I think players that aren't even in the conversation should
should be I think the best offensive lineman in the
country should be like, hey, I want it too, Like
it's it's good for the award, it's good for the committee,
Like yeah, it just makes it that much better and
more prestigious. But I hit the ear funny. But then
the more I thought about it, I was like, man,
(45:41):
I want Ashton Gentz to be like, shut up, Travis,
I want t mac to play defense this week. Like
I want people to start doing Yeah, I want people
to start doing things specifically to like playoff of the
stuff that's happening in the media out. I love that.
(46:02):
I love the like just the hyper awareness. It's very cool.
Speaker 1 (46:08):
All right, Next thing up? Hot or not? Jedfish fundraising
off of Ohio State in Oregon. He's like, look at,
look at look at what can happen with these sorts
of rosters. Look at what can can happen? Not hot
bro not.
Speaker 2 (46:26):
No. If he wasn't talking about your team, what would
What would you have thought about it?
Speaker 1 (46:32):
Same thing, same thing. Yes, you are supposed to motivate
your donors. However, just throwing money at the problem, oh miss,
doesn't mean that you're gonna go undefeated or be ready
to do it. Yes, it is nil a big portion
of it. Yes, coaches can lobby their their donors and
boosters and everything else. There's nothing wrong with that part
(46:54):
of it. But to act like if you give me
twenty million dollars, you too, you two cans in autsin stadium,
or like YouTube can can beat o Ohio State. It
works like that, But it don't work like that, if
that makes sense. And it ain't twenty million dollars anyway,
at least a name at Oregon. I know what the
(47:15):
number is, and it ain't twenty million dollars for show.
It ain't nowhere close to twenty million dollars. People just
think that it's outrageous that people want to be there
when other people offer them more.
Speaker 2 (47:27):
Yeah, I have two feelings on it.
Speaker 1 (47:31):
Number one back wasn't cheap, Just so you know, the
quarterback was not cheap.
Speaker 2 (47:38):
So I have two feelings on it. Number one is
in any fundraising position, you you just gotta do it.
I get I didn't even sign up. I didn't even
sign up, And I get seventeen emails a day from
Tim Walls.
Speaker 1 (47:54):
Ye be like, hees me. I get them from Trump,
from Tim Walls and everything I see, and I haven't
pressed stop just because I like to see. I'm like,
what the hell are they talking about today? Not that
I cared, because I can't wait for the election to
be over. I know who I'm voting for. Everybody already
knows what they're voting for, and I just want it
off of my timeline.
Speaker 2 (48:16):
I'm afraid I wish that because early voting just started.
I wish that if you early voted, you could be like, hey,
I don't count anymore, like leave me alone. My mail
box is full of stuff I don't want. Like but
but but you do always have to be fundraising. You
always have to be fundraising. And I mean, I got
a I got a creative writing degree from Arizona State.
(48:36):
They still call and ask me for money even though
they got a billion dollar endownment. You just always have
to be fundraising. So I don't blame Jetfish for that.
I think there's another way to do it. I think
you say, like, hey, look at the atmosphere and excitement
of that game. The way we get there is to donate.
I don't think you got to comment on other people's rosters,
because the truth of the matter is Washington is not
hurting for nil, not comparatively. They're actually doing really, really good.
(48:59):
But you have to be careful of the way that
you do it, because Jed Fish kind of looked like
whiny because especially coming off a loss, commenting on your
rival and the environment that they had there. Right, But
what did Kenny Dillingham do this week? He said, Hey,
if you cashed out that over four and a half,
(49:19):
give it to the players.
Speaker 1 (49:21):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (49:24):
There's ways to fundraise that don't look needy and thirsty.
But yeah, Washington's not hurting for money, but you have
to be relentless, and I you know, sometimes it comes
off looking bad. Mark Stoops keeps bringing up nil when
he makes nine million dollars a year. It looks bad.
Every time you kick in il Mark.
Speaker 1 (49:49):
Yep, exactly, Yeah, yeah, exactly. You take off a mill
and just put it in in in in il Sam.
All right, now it is time for our picks this week.
And yeah, your boy's closing the gap. Your boys closing
the gap because on the season, huh, I had a
(50:10):
bad week too, Yeah you went one and four. I
have just been constantly in this three and two vortex
of just three and two, three and two, three and
two sixty percent six. I guess that's really good if
I can go sixty percent. I mean, granted, Latt last
year was tremendously better around seventy, but damn sixty percent.
(50:32):
I think that a lot of people would take that.
Speaker 2 (50:36):
I would take it at this point.
Speaker 1 (50:39):
So Ralph is twenty one and fifteen. I'm twenty and sixteen,
and and our picks for this week. First game up
Miami minus four and a half at Louisville. We got
my boy Tyler Schuck and he is in a position
where he gets to to, you know, try to try
(51:02):
to win, try to prove to everybody what the hell's
going on. And Tyler Shuck has a chance to upset Miami.
This is the team that that Louisville has. Just wait
till we play Miami. All right, here's your opportunity. Actually,
for the first time, I like Miami to cover now
mad mind you, I've been right the other two times
(51:23):
where I picked them, uh to not cover minus four
and a half book Itt Ralph book it.
Speaker 2 (51:34):
Ellen or Yeah, Louisville fans, if you screw me on this,
I'm never listening to you about anything ever again, because
you've been on this game since before the season started.
You had this game circle that might be about there
for four and two. Yeah, George said that. George said
that the acc runs through Miami and Louisville fans were like,
(51:55):
uh not on October nineteenth, that doesn't. So I'm I'm
gonna rock with Louisville. But if you guys screw me
on this, I'm done. I'm done, all right.
Speaker 1 (52:06):
Next game up Nebraska at Indiana minus six and a half.
This is a big noon kickoff. Dylan Ryola has the
opportunity to continue to semit himself on the pregame thing.
They referred to him as baby baby my homes. I
(52:29):
was like, oh god, stop, don't do this. Don't do this,
like you're setting him up for a failure even if
he's really good. So I am taking the Hoosiers, who
are underrated. I think this offense is gonna put up
too many points. This could be a high score in affair,
This could be like a forty two thirty five game.
(52:52):
But I like the Hoosiers minus six and a half.
Speaker 2 (52:57):
I think you have to score thirty five to win,
and Nebraska hasn't done that in seventeen consecutive Big Ten games.
Give me Indiana.
Speaker 1 (53:06):
Next game up, Georgia at Texas, the game of the
century again sort of, even though it was last week
and Texas is favorite by five points. Ralph, I'm looking
at this Georgia team. Yes, they can win this game.
(53:27):
There's a lot of things not to trust. Their offensive
line has just been okay. Texas's defensive line is good.
There's a lot and you guys gonna watch the video
picks against the spread as well. I just don't trust them, Ralph.
I just do not trust Georgia this year. I think
that Texas is an elite team, a team that I trust,
and I'm taking Texas minus five.
Speaker 2 (53:51):
Wow. I tell you what, I would love to be
in the room full of NFL gms and scouts when
they're watching Quinn viewers against Carson Beck because you're probably
talking about two of the top five quarterbacks coming off
the board, and Quinn Ewers has really shined in big games,
really shined. However, Texas has not had the they haven't
(54:17):
had room to breathe. It's just been tough game after
tough game after tough game. I think something has to
break at some point, and I'm rooting for chaos. So
I'm gonna go with my gut and say that Georgia
covers on this one.
Speaker 1 (54:31):
Okay, Alabama at Tennessee plus three. Everything that I've seen
over the last couple of weeks says that Alabama's going
to win this game. I do believe that the fans
at Nieland Stadium are gonna be They are going to
be hot. Oh Autsen Stadium is now the best place
so play college football. Will will show you. I think
(54:52):
that they are going to show up and show out.
It is going to be a big impact on this
game and be why the reason why Tennessee not only wins, well,
not only beats this plus three, but also wins the
football game outright. But I'm still taking the points. It's
not one of them. I don't want my point so.
Speaker 2 (55:15):
I'm rocking with I'm rocking with Alabama and what and
this is a weird thing, but like what convinced me
was Travis Hunter going on that podcast and lobbying for
the Heisman because Jalen Milroe did it, screamed it into
a camera last year.
Speaker 1 (55:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (55:33):
Yeah, you know, he wants he wants to be on
that stage so bad. This is gonna be his signature moment.
So give me Alabama.
Speaker 1 (55:41):
Ooh, when you put it like that, you might be right.
Damn all right. Last game, Illinois hosting Michigan. Illinois is
a three point dog. In this game, Luke Altmar is
glowing up. Michigan still doesn't know what they're doing at
quarter back. I think Tuttle may be starting again over
(56:04):
Orgi and Davis Warren. I don't know what they're doing,
and neither do they know what they're doing at quarterback.
I am going to reluctantly trust Illinois. I did against
Penn State. They they just whooped me. They just and
I'm gonna tell you this, Ralph, just like you did
with them other fans from Louisville. You're dead to me,
(56:30):
Illinois if you don't cover this plus three you're dead
to me, I think.
Speaker 2 (56:38):
Illinois might here. I'm gonna I'm I'm gonna issue a guarantee.
I'm gonna issue a guarantee Illinois will look like cheeks
on Saturday. Why because of the uniforms, Because they'll literally.
Speaker 1 (56:53):
Look like, oh you're funny.
Speaker 2 (56:57):
Yes, hey, let's have some fun. And I'm going with
the lion.
Speaker 1 (57:00):
I all right. The lasting up is we have our contest, Ralph,
where are we sitting with the contest, I'm killing you.
Speaker 2 (57:14):
I'm killing you man. So to for people who are
new to the college football apostles, before the season, we
started an overrated underrated contest. I can't wait to bring
this back next year and include the fans. But what
we did is we held a draft. You and I
drafted three teams we think are overrated and three teams
we think are underrated, and then we use their Las
(57:36):
Vegas season win total to create the scoring. So for
our overrated teams, every time they lose, we get three points.
For our underrated teams, every time they win, we get
three points. And then you get a bonus five full
points for every full game above or below that that
team finishes with the Vegas total I was lucky enough
(57:57):
to get Florida State as one of my overrated teams,
and I was very fortunate to pick Pitt and Arizona
State as my underrated teams. Both Pitt and Arizona State
have already beat their season totals by week seven. So
now for every Pit in Arizona State win, I get
eight points. So where it stands right now is you
(58:18):
have thirty nine points on the season. You have twelve
points from your overrated teams, twenty seven from your underrated teams.
Because your number one pick, Texas Tech has really taken off,
I have sixty three. I'm beating sixty three to thirty
nine because I have thirty nine points alone from my
underrated teams thanks to Pitt, Stanford and Arizona State. This
(58:40):
could get ugly, dude, This could get really ugly.
Speaker 1 (58:43):
Yes, yes, I gotta do better next season. And you guys,
this is the college football Apostles. Make sure you'd like subscribe, share,
tell a friend about it. Peace out, Get you guys
next week.
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