Finding Courage

Co-founder of Sacred Sons Aubert Bastiat doesn't hold back when catching up with Darren and Donny. Aubert courageously revisits the night he nearly ended his life but instead started a relationship with God. He also grieves his sister, who died by suicide, and outlines how he transformed his pain into guiding others toward peace.

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Comeback Stories is a production of Inflection Network and iHeartRadio.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
Welcome back, everyone to another episode of Comeback Stories. I'm
one of your co hosts, Darren Waller, grateful that you
guys are here to join us for another episode.

Speaker 3 (00:18):
And I'm Donnie Starkins mindfulness and mental health coach and
meditation and yoga teacher. And today we got a guest,
an amazing guest. His name is Albert Bastiller. So Albert's
a father, a husband, a coach, a facilitator, and co
founder of Sacred Sons. Albert illuminates the darkness of human

(00:39):
suffering with the fire of love.

Speaker 4 (00:41):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (00:41):
I love that he holds space for individual and collective
healing so that all men may open their hearts and
awaken to their sacred masculinity. Albert, great to have you on, brother, Welcome.

Speaker 4 (00:54):
Thank you so much. It's an honor to be here. Brothers.

Speaker 3 (00:57):
Heard so many great things about you, and I'm glad
that we haven't connected in the human but we're here
to really drop in. This has come Backstories and we
usually get right into it, and we'd love to.

Speaker 4 (01:08):
Know for you what was life like growing up. That's
a really big question as I'm sure most of your
guests can attest to. Yeah, life for me growing up
was chaotic, confusing, heartbreaking. Yeah, it was all those things

(01:28):
and more. But I think at the core of it,
I felt very alone. Even within my family of origin.
I felt like there wasn't the support and direction that
I was seeking to feel like I had a firm
foundation on this earth. And so I feel like I
escaped into my imagination often and you know, I found

(01:49):
my way. Of course here I am and childhood was tough.
So it comes to mind you brought up the word confusing.

Speaker 3 (01:57):
So when Darren and I first started this podcast, we
came up with this first question and the very first episode,
Iron interviewed Darren, and then second episode Darren interviewed me,
and that was the same thing that Darren said, confusing.

Speaker 4 (02:10):
My answer was easy.

Speaker 3 (02:12):
Yet we found ourselves and even you, because I'm familiar
with your story, still in the same spots, in the
depth of an addiction. So I just wanted to point
that out for some context, and maybe Darren I'll let
there and share a little bit. I know our listeners
have heard, but he can give some context as to
why it was confusing for him.

Speaker 2 (02:33):
Yees. So the confusion for me lied in there was
nothing externally wrong about the environment I grew up in.
I grew up in a two parent household, great schools,
great environments, I had good friends. So everything on the
outside was like, this is great, Like I couldn't be

(02:54):
blessed with a better childhood just from what I know.
But the confusion light on the inside for me because
very early on, I just felt like the reality and
somehow what I adopted as a truth very early on
that I just wasn't enough, that something about me was
inherently wrong. You know, there's people of my skin color

(03:15):
telling me that I wasn't black enough because of the
way that I acted in my personality. I was just
different man. I loved all different kinds of music. I
was kind of nerdy. I was like all over the place.
You couldn't put me in one box. But there's a
bit of a limiting perspective around what it's like to
be black, and I didn't fit in that box. And

(03:36):
I just felt like the fact that I can't change
my skin color, I'm stuck with this, and it's just
a constant reminder that I'm not enough. And so that's
where the confusion lie for me.

Speaker 4 (03:48):
Yeah, I would say that I can resonate with some
of that. You know, my father is American, He's white American.
My mother is Taiwanese. I was born in Taipeid, Taiwan,
grew up there until I was five, until we moved
to California after my parents separated, And so I feel
like that was a lot of the root of the
confusion for me was the disharmony between my mother and father.

(04:10):
They were fighting a lot, They didn't see eye to eye.
There wasn't a lot of affection and tenderness and kindness.
My mother, of course, was a very nurturing woman, cooked
amazing food and was like very quick to you know,
want to comfort us and soothe us. My father was
on the other side of it, pretty militant, cold, angry

(04:35):
at times, and while he could come down to our
level occasionally, it's always seemed off. He was off somewhere else,
he was in his head. He was just somewhere else.
So I didn't feel that grounded connection with him. Where
we did connect was on an intellectual level. But you know,
as young children, as the boy that I was, at
least I longed for that deeper connection with my dad

(04:58):
and he wasn't really able to meet me there. Wow,
Darren and I were just talking.

Speaker 3 (05:03):
We recorded an episode previous to yours, and it was
an episode we did together called anchoring in the present
moment and the impact it can have when we're not there,
when our body's there but our mind is elsewhere, especially
when it comes to relationships father son, mother, daughter, parents,
like or you know, your romantic relationship, and just the

(05:26):
impact you know, especially these days, but even back then
it can have. And it sounds like it had a
tremendous impact on you with your dad really not being there.

Speaker 4 (05:35):
Yeah, he was physically present most of the time between
zero and five. However, you know, he was emotionally, I think,
disconnected from himself. So how could he be emotionally connected
with us if he was disconnected from his own inner
world in that way? He was always you know, I
think often his thoughts and ideations and you know, his

(05:57):
fantasies really and so I'd reckon with that. And I
feel like children they intrinsically attuned to the environment, right,
The children are so wise, but they're just like absorbing
all the information in the environment, and so a part
of me felt rejected, even though my dad was there
and he you know, I don't even know if he

(06:17):
actually said the words I love you or anything like that,
but i'trinsically picked up that there was a disconnect between
us and I, you know, children myself included, took that
as there's something wrong with me. There's something wrong with
me that my father is not taking the interest that
I desire from him. He's not taking he's not seeing

(06:38):
me right, he's not here with me. And so I
interpreted that as there's something wrong with me. You know,
there's something intrinsically wrong with me, and that's shame, right,
there was shame there there's something wrong with me. I'm
bad or I'm wrong or something off or I would
be loved by my dad.

Speaker 3 (06:56):
Can you can you think about and what comes up
for you? And if I we ask, like what was
an early memory of pain?

Speaker 4 (07:05):
Well, my father was you know also you know, a
physical disciplinarian. So even at the age of three, you know,
we things had to be a certain way and if
they were not that way, or if maybe we broke
a dish or spilt something, you know, you know, pick
he picked me up and he just spank me, you know,
and that was a I think a very shocking and

(07:26):
startling realization that created a lot of fear in me
as a boy. I'd be running through the house and
he'd be chasing me, you know, to give me a
good wallop. And for him, in his paradigm, that just normal, right,
that's good parenting even but for a little three year
old boy, dad's scary.

Speaker 2 (07:45):
You know.

Speaker 4 (07:46):
I was afraid of my father and I equally loved him,
and so there's just like dichotomy of like, I love
this man who's my dad, and he's not loving me
and seeing me as I long to be loved and seen.
So I think that that's definitely an early pain point.
Another pain point for me was just the chaos and

(08:07):
the dysfunction within their dynamic between my mother and father
just always fighting. There was no harmony. It was it
always seemed like things were on edge and there was
this tension in the air, and that it doesn't feel
good to be around an environment where I felt like
I either kind of walk on eggshells or we kind
of just adapted, you know, or I'd escape off into

(08:28):
my imagination. So there wasn't a sense of full safety
and security in my household. And I think as a
young boy, as a young child, that's very painful to
reckon with. And so yeah, that was really the early
the early foundations as this there's not a sense of

(08:49):
safety and security, and that was very challenging to move through.

Speaker 3 (08:56):
I've heard you say this on another podcast when I
was listening to you a while back, that you said
my parents did not know how to communicate matters of
the heart, and the way that you articulated that was
like wow, that that awareness and that understanding to be
able to see that and understand why they did what

(09:16):
they did, and also the impact that it had on
us was really really powerful. Those words really hit me.

Speaker 4 (09:22):
Yeah, I mean communication is so key in all relationships.
It's our capacity to communicate and translate our inner experience
and perspective to convey that to others in a way
that they can understand and receive. That creates that reciprocity
between us, that creates the foundation where we can really
see eye to eye and heart to heart as human
beings say like oh, you know, I see myself and

(09:45):
you and you can see yourself and me. And it's
that mutuality that creates that rapport, that resonance that we
love like as humans were, you know, we love it
when we vibe with another we're like, we just hit
it off and we're just a vibe and it's just easeful.
Whereas it is someone that we don't necessarily vibe with,
you can just feel that tension. And the only way
to break through that tension, which I believe is like

(10:06):
the unconscious, unresolved energetic of our past or somatic past.
But to be able to bridge that through language and
communication is powerful. And so yeah, I feel like not
being understood in my household, seeing dysfunctional communication and really
not being able to convey and communicate even with myself

(10:27):
and to know my own needs and to be able
to convey and communicate that to the world. And so
it's been a long journey to be able to become
fluent in communication, in emotional, in intra communication, the inner
communication with my deeper self with God.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
You know, obear, I'm in awe of your journey into
how you've gotten into the place where you are now,
just the servant that you are and just the wisdom
that you radiate, And I feel like a fascinating part
of your journey that I'd like to dive into a
little bit is you grew up in an atheist household.

(11:04):
I don't think I've ever had a conversation with somebody
that is an atheist or that was a part of
their lifestyle. Could you explain like what that was like? Yeah,
for the first twenty something years of your life, I
believe you said, what was that like?

Speaker 4 (11:21):
Yeah, yeah, it was bleak's that's a word that comes
to mind, because this is all there is, right, There's
no magic, there's no spirit, there's no invisible world. This
is what you get, and it's just random, right, We're
just all here like a consequence of you know, billions

(11:42):
of years of evolution and we're kind of a fluke.
We're just out here floating in space, and there's no
higher order to things. Everything's just chaos. Everything just happens
because it happens that way, because it's a dog eat
dog world, right, and the strong survive and the weak perish.
And you know, having my father who was you know,

(12:03):
he was raised in a his mother was very religious.
His father wasn't, but his mother was like extremely Christian,
and I think that dynamic created this repulsion for him. Again,
it was like he was even against he was against religion.
It wasn't just like there's no God. It was like
anybody that's religious is suspect. They're they're like feeble minded,

(12:25):
or they're afraid, or they're you know, believing in fairy tales.
Here like we need to live in reality. And so
there's a big judgment against spirituality, against any religion, against
even like traditions, right, even like cultural traditions. And so
it was very it was devoid of a deeper sense

(12:46):
of meaning and purpose of life, like why are we
all here? And so I really struggled with that of
like why is life feel like it's just pain and
just suffering? Like why am i here? I did not
ask to be here, and I didn't have a deeper
roadmap to understand myself in relationship to what all of
this is. What is this reality that I'm a part

(13:08):
of outside of like the scientific materialism that my father
was very you know, knowledgeable of. You know, he was
a mining engineer, he spoke five languages, he was very
well versed in world history and war and all these things.
But in the matters of the heart, he was you know,
an infant, he wasn't able to have healthy functioning relationships

(13:32):
and really in any capacity, i'd say, across the board.
So it was tough. It was tough, and I feel
like in many ways, as I, you know, went through
my awakening, I reck I understood the perfection of it all,
of having the father and mother that I did, and
of feeling feeling the pain of having no higher power,

(13:57):
no creator, no cosmic order to this and having to
go without that and not being able to really makes
sense of reality other than like we're all fucked. This
is just it is what it is. You know. Everybody
lives the way they want and that's it. And I
followed that dictate to my own demise, right seeking, pleasure seeking,

(14:19):
status seeking, you know, to be perceived as someone because
on the inside I felt like nothing, I felt worthless.

Speaker 2 (14:28):
To what ends do you feel like you had to
go to to to cope with that bleakness and that
hopelessness and the futility? Like where did that take you?

Speaker 4 (14:38):
You know? It was fun at first, you know, it
took me into i would say, the rave scene, the
party scene, which really did expand and open my world.
You know, some of these entheogens these these you know
drugs as they were, they did like md M A
for one, you know, ecstasy, It did kind of give

(14:58):
me this sense of wow, like this feels amazing and
I've never felt like this before, and is this this
is possible? This feeling is love, right, this is like
something I've never felt before. And even being in that scene,
you know, there's a camaraderie that forms with others. You know,
there's a sense of belonging to these groups of people
that you know, we share the interest of partying and

(15:20):
maybe some other stuff. But like, I feel like it
started out fun, you know, it was partying, It was
good fun. But then it increasingly I declined or degraded,
I would say, into like more of the you know,
dependent upon the drugs. Right, there was more of a
seeking of that of like going harder, of going deeper,

(15:42):
of going further, and that brought me into addiction, the
depths of addiction. And it was then that I realized
that even though I knew it was harming me, I
wasn't able to resist. Often there was that time I
believe that I had a strong mind and that I
could make choices for myself, but it was addiction that

(16:03):
really humbled me and had me doubting myself because before that,
I really, you know, I think somewhere along the line,
I did start to believe that I had something in me.
I couldn't put my finger on it, but I would.
I was willing to take risks. You know, I felt
a sense of deeper confidence that wasn't coming from the
outer I didn't know how to articulate that that was

(16:26):
the soul that I am expressing itself and feeling like
there's more underneath the surface that I'm still uncovering. But
through that and being humbled by not being in control,
basically of losing control of my own will and volition
to make choices for myself that would either harm myself

(16:48):
or better myself, that's really where where the where that
worldview collided, right because it was like now here, I
am no God, no religious construct, no structure, really left
my own devices, right like I can do whatever I want.

(17:08):
And in that not having like an ethical true north,
not having a path forward that I could say I'm
starting here and this is where I want to go.
Because you know, in my early twenties, a lot of
my friends they went off into their four year schools
and I ended up you know, going to jail, you know,
and I was arrested for possession for sales and had

(17:30):
my first experience in jail, in a county jail and
men Central Jail in LA which is a full experience
in and of itself, just to be in that world,
to be around, you know, people who are facing twenty
five to life or murder, being around gang members and
experiencing their mindset, and you know, even having you know,
people that are much older in you know, in encountering them,

(17:54):
and it's like, wow, I'm seeing if I stay on
this path, you know. And it seemed like that the
people that were around me were progressively getting I would say,
the outlook on life was getting more and more cutthroat
and more and more bleak. You know, there's a lot
more of the you know, criminal element. As I started

(18:16):
going deeper and deeper into my addiction, so you know,
not having a creator at the core and running away
from my traumas, which is ultimately what you know, addiction
was for me. It was like I didn't want to
feel the pain of disconnection that I felt. I felt
this emptiness inside gnawing at me of why don't I

(18:41):
feel connected to anything deeply? Why don't I feel connected
and able to access what it seems like other people
around me, my peers, are able to access in the
in the emotional sphere, and in the sphere of even
desiring greater things for themselves that were not like just

(19:02):
fleeting boyhood fantasies of how having more power and more
fame or more.

Speaker 3 (19:06):
Status in the depths of our addiction, I think both
Darreon and I did a lot of a lot of
other drugs, but at its core, it was pills for us.

Speaker 4 (19:15):
What was it for you? And just how bad did
it gain?

Speaker 2 (19:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (19:18):
It was for me it was methamphetamine crystal, and it
got really bad. I think at my when I was arrested,
I was on like a four day binger, and I
was I I'm six ' three and so at this
time I was, I believe, one hundred and seventeen pounds. Yeah. Yeah.

(19:40):
And so in losing myself like in like having no
I would say spiritual north star, having no connection or
at least conscious connection of of myself with the creator
and and and that I'm a part of this magical,
wondrous universe. I just I started destroying myself because I

(20:04):
think at the core of that belief is I'm unworthy,
I'm unlovable. There's these things that I interpreted as a
boy from my environment that I carried over and you know,
it crossed a point where a lot of my friends
that were around me, because I always was fortunate to
have very good groups of people around me. However, at
a certain point my friends started letting me know, like,

(20:25):
I can't support where you're going. I can't You're not
like who you were. Because I started losing I think
pieces of maybe what made me me, and as it
was all stripped away, I feel like that was necessary
in a sense of this stripping away of identity, of
sense of self so that I can come to the

(20:47):
rock bottom and really like, that's really what initiated my
awakening and my connection to God was a prayer. It
was that prayer of sinking so low into my own self, hatred,
into addiction. You know, I had so much shame that
I couldn't break out out of the addiction because I
was living I was really living a double life because

(21:09):
I was still you know, working full time and doing
my best attend to my responsibilities to my family, my
mother and my two sisters at the time, and I
was the quote unquote man of the house. You know,
I had left when I was nineteen, I'd left home.
But then when I was twenty three, my mother reached
out and said, we need help. You know, we're still
in this two bedroom apartment. You know, we grew up

(21:31):
in from middle school, and they're still in this two
bedroom department apartment not on the best side of town,
and they were struggling. And I had kind of gone
off on my own to like live my life, and
my mom reaches out and says, you know, we need
your help. And I had a relatively decent it job
at the time, and so since I was doing pretty

(21:51):
poorly at the time, I was like, you know what,
maybe this is best. And so I said, okay, yeah,
I'll come and we can move out and find a
place together, and we can help my sister who had
Schitzo effective disorder, which is kind of like a cross
between bipolar disorder and schizophrenia, and so she was hearing voices,
she was like on six different meds. It was intense

(22:12):
to witness her journey. But it was in moving back
in with my family and saying this is what's going
to make me quit the addiction. I'm going to I
have my family that needs me. I'm going to be
able to quit the drugs and help them. And in
not being able to do that and breaking the promise
to myself, I just felt so much shame. You know.

(22:35):
I felt a lot of shame because I had already
been to jail, I'd already been through all that, and I,
you know, I climbed my way out just on my
own accord. I you know, started going to the gym.
I quit the addiction for a time, and I started
working out in eating rite and running and doing all
these things were good for me. I you know, built
up my weight to like two hundred pounds. I felt
very strong, very fit. And then I fell back in.

(22:59):
I relapsed, and it took me took me down. It
took me down. I was in a really bad headspace,
and ultimately I came to the point of really thinking
about ending my life a lot. I started at first,
it started out as ideation, as kind of this, like
that's maybe what I need to do, you know. It

(23:20):
started out from that point to like getting to a
really dark place where one night it was like that's
what I need to do. That's the solution to everything.
Like here, I am being a burden too society, being
a burden to my family, even though that wasn't the
case because I was financially providing, I was helping out
my family. But it's that distorted perspective of self and

(23:40):
of life that, you know, it really kind of twisted
the knife into me, into my heart and into my soul.
And so I just felt I felt the intensity of
feeling just worthless, of feeling all that shame, of feeling
like I didn't deserve to live. And that brought me
the point of, you know what, let me do the world,

(24:01):
and let me do my family a favor, let me
just end my life. That was That was it. That
was it. And being in that place and really resigning
myself to death, resigning myself to non existence, because that's
what I thought death would bring, just non existence. I
don't exist anymore. I'm just gone, right. But it was

(24:24):
in that experience where I was I set out to
end my life. I was alone in my room, I
had my knives, and I was ready to go, and
I started grieving. I started grieving my life and what
was and what could have been, and just started feeling

(24:45):
devastated to have to leave, but even knowing that this
is the only way, and then coming to a point
where something deep within me cried out. It wasn't even
like my voice. It wasn't even it didn't feel like
me at the time, because I wasn't living in my
heart and soul, and so I feel it was the
deeper part of me cried out to God, cried out

(25:08):
to the creator and said, God, if you're real, I
need to know. And it was this prayer from the
depths of me because I was determined to end my
life that night, and I feel like it was this
last stitch effort from my soul to say, hey, we're
going the wrong way, and in calling out and saying

(25:29):
that prayer and making that prayer from my depths, God responded.
God responded, and I was enveloped in a vibrating energy
that I'd never experienced before. I've never experienced anything like this,
and it was so foreign at first that I didn't
even know what it was. It felt like this really

(25:52):
fast vibration that was just outside of me at first
that I perceived it as filling my room. This vibrating
energy and it kind of tripped me out at first
because I was like, what is this? And then it
came inside me and washed away in that instant all
the grief, all the agony, all the pain, all the
chaos that was swirling in me, and it was just

(26:15):
like calm. It was just absolute peace. And I just
started sobbing. I just started sobbing as I was held
by the Creator. It felt like being held by all
loving mother and father. I describe it as it felt
like I was now a little baby and I was
just being cradled like I had never been cradled in

(26:35):
my life. And I just wept. I wept in joy,
I wept in gratitude, and I gave my life to God.
I said, don't ever leave me. And it was communicating,
wasn't I wasn't verbalizing this. It was just all internal.

(26:56):
And so being able to communicate and be heard and
receive responses was it fundamentally transform my perception of the world,
the perception of life, and perception of myself. Because suddenly
where I felt absolutely worth, worthless one moment about to
end my life, and then to be saved and to

(27:17):
be held and to be loved and to be reminded
that I'm not alone and that God loves me, that
I am loved, and to feel that love, right, we
hear it in words, but to feel it in this
all consuming energy and to feel it in my heart.
You know, that's really the powerful That was the most

(27:38):
powerful part of it is that it gave me access
to my heart because before, you know, maybe I'd feel
what I thought was love on ecstasy or in certain
infatuations relationally, but this was something different. It was something
that my soul recognized, something deeper, and it left an

(27:58):
indelible mark upon me and completely shifted my trajectory in life.

Speaker 3 (28:03):
I love, love, love how much you and we will
probably continue to talk about God, and I know for
some people they'll be really inspired and some maybe triggered
or uncomfortable.

Speaker 4 (28:14):
But that's even more reason to keep talking about it.

Speaker 3 (28:16):
But I'm just curious for you, this idea or as
it came in, was not through any type of structured religion, right,
So maybe you can talk a little bit about that
and what or who God is to you today.

Speaker 4 (28:33):
Yeah, I feel like that was probably the only path
into relationship with God for me in this life. It
took me about to leave this earth to reach out,
and so maybe that speaks to something from the past,
you know, past lives. Maybe I was really stubborn. I'm
a tourus in this life, so maybe there I do
have that stubborn element and to experience that level of

(28:58):
redemption for me in my own room in this I've
experienced that I didn't tell anybody for so many years.
It was just a part of like my path and
I was very alone as I left off the world
of drugs and partying and just like recklessness and then
started to write my life bit by bit. But it

(29:21):
was really experiencing God, not only from that experience, but
knowing that now that I understood, and I started exploring
the different world religions from that point of having a
direct experience. Now I was able to connect so many
dots as I started exploring and praying with different houses
of worship, you know, visiting the Christian churches, visiting different

(29:44):
Hindu temples, going to the Buddhist sanctuaries, you know, just
having having the desire, the genuine desire now to search
and understand. Okay, now that I know that God is real,
let me see what everybody's talking about and feel what
they do like to connect with God. Now that I've

(30:04):
connected with God so deeply and I feel that God's
a part of me forever, I want to continue to
do my part to cultivate that relationship, to lean into
the source of my existence and the source of all existence.
There's nothing more important than for me to align with
the source of all existence. And so that led me

(30:25):
on a big quest and journey to study the different
world religions and to practice them so that I could
feel what it was like to pray with different peoples
because there's so much religious divide still. You know, Christian
see things very this way, Islam sees it very this way.
But it's like, well, we're all talking about God, right,

(30:46):
or it's all coming back to the source of all
of this, right, There can only be one. And I
think that in our humanness we missed the point. Sometimes
we missed the mark. And so I think coming from
a place where I was void of all of that
religious programming and indoctrination, I was just kind of a slate.

(31:06):
But then it came to life with that direct experience
of God, of love of the Divine. Now things that
resonate with the love that I experienced. It was like boom'
that's true. Yes, I know that's right. And then there's
one stuff that like, I'm like, that doesn't resonate, that
doesn't feel like the God that I experienced, That doesn't

(31:26):
feel like the God that I experienced? Why would God
say that or expect this? And so I kind of
had a true north that was that was aligned by
the Creator in my direct experience and through studying the
different world religions. I think it gave me breadth because
I had the depth of experience from that first mystical
experience that changed me. But now I needed to cultivate

(31:48):
the breadth of understanding of what was out there in
the world and like kind of cross correlate, like does
this resonate, does this feel true? Does this make sense?
Is this a cohesive way that I can deepen my
relationship with the Creator or does it feel like there's
like some kind of outer standard that is imposed that
I feel like a lot of religions kind of do

(32:11):
you know in how they've kind of degraded over thousands
of years to like these outer expectations rather than the
inner lived experience of what it is to be in
union with God, to be in love with God. And
since God exists within everybody, right, God is growing in
everyone and everything in all life. How am I showing
up in all of my relationships? And how am I

(32:33):
showing up in my relationships with nature? And so what
it really did was it forced me to make an
inventory of how I had been up to that point
and to do my best to begin to rectify these
kind of character defects that came from not having that blueprint,
not having the map to understand how to live a
righteous life, to live in alignment. And so began a

(32:55):
period of deep self exploration and honesty. Or I had
to own take ownership for a lot of the ways
I had been out of integrity and how I'd hurt
a lot of people because I really didn't have that
ethical north star. I didn't have that handed to me,
and the way that my parents modeled love to me

(33:16):
was very dysfunctional, and so I hurt a lot of
people along the way. And finding God for me helped
me reconcile the mistakes I had made in my ignorance,
in my own pain, and then to have the resolve
to go out step by step, bit by bit and
change that. And so a lot of the old people
that I used to hang out with, and a lot

(33:37):
of my friends from school when they met me after everything, like,
you know, people don't really change. That's like I think
a belief out there. People don't really change. But they're like, wow,
you've really changed, You've really changed. And I took that
as a big encouragement, you know, because now my inner

(34:00):
world was starting to align with the outer world in
a way which brought greater peace, which brought greater harmony,
and there was just greater flow.

Speaker 2 (34:09):
You know.

Speaker 4 (34:09):
It wasn't just like me getting my way and going
after what I wanted or desired. It was looking for
the higher the highest outcome in every different situation. And
sometimes it's like, you know, driving by someone and their
cars broken down, and we have that split second to
make a decision. Am I going to show up and
help this person that looks like they could use some
help they're standing out there looking bewildered, Or am I

(34:31):
just going to drive by and think someone else will
get it? And so it gave me that the impetus
to just take action and help in whatever way I could,
to really serve. And so that really started this like
informal training of really practicing what I felt in my heart,
of really having so many opportunities to just try my
best to help people and sometimes you know, it didn't

(34:53):
work out. I learned a lot of lessons in trying
my best to help everyone I could and realized through
the process that I can't help everybody. I can do
my best to help who At this point, I've cultivated
wisdom to know who I can help and who I
really can't help, Like life has to sometimes teach people

(35:15):
before they're ready to learn, right before they're open enough
to be guided.

Speaker 2 (35:21):
That's so powerful because I feel like a lot of
I mean, I needed an experience that was, you know,
devastating in its own right, but ultimately led me to
experience God. I had to go through addiction, I had
to go through a trans almost a transactional relationship with

(35:43):
God earlier in my life to where I felt like
if I did a certain amount of things, I would
get blessings in return, or if I do something to
be good enough in God's presence. But your story and
your narrative is shattering that because you're freeing somebody from
that and allowed them to say, like, at my most
broken form, at my most shameful, at my most depressed,

(36:07):
that's where God wants to meet me the most. That's
where he wants to love me the most. And that's
so powerful because even with me, I feel like I've
cultivated a relationship with God and I feel like we're
in alignment. But it's almost like we just like do
business together, and I'm like, I've done so much, I've

(36:31):
caused a lot of pain, I've acted so much in
a way before that It's like, I know God created me,
and he placed these abilities and these gifts in me,
and he knows he can do work through me, but
he can't possibly like love me like through all that,
and I'm still trying to find that out. And it's
and it's like it's in hearing you say that is

(36:52):
just it's it's it's shattering my own conception of God too,
because I still see him in this bit of a
punitive form, if that makes sense.

Speaker 4 (37:01):
That to completely makes sense because I think so much
of the West world was raised with you know, this
Christian Old Testament God, and there's a New Testament God
that Jesus really came to flip on its head, like
to be like no, like love your neighbor as yourself,
you know, do good unto others, and to really kind
of flip the old paradigm on its head at the time,

(37:22):
But that was also two thousand years ago, you know.
And something's change and something's never change. And the things
that never change are the timeless principles of what it
is to be a good human and to fow what
it is to follow Christ, right, what it is to
awaken like the Buddha. You know, different teachers from around
the world. You know, they came and they you know,

(37:42):
religions form around them, but they didn't come to start
a religion. They came to help humanity. Remember that that's
our path that we're walking. That these are our older
brothers and sisters, and we have to follow their example.
And they come with these teachings and these ways of
being that leave a mark on the earth right in

(38:03):
thousands of years ago, and we're still going to churches,
We're going still going to the temples. We're still talking
about these divine expressions. You know that the Son of God,
daughters of God. And what I found interesting in my
search through all the different world religions is there's generally
this point of revelation, be it a prophet or an

(38:23):
avatar like Christ or the Buddha or Krishna, and avatar
being they came with a specific mission on earth to
help humanity turn back towards God because things were becoming
you know, dogmatic religion was going cold, right, it was
no longer serving humanity to continue our evolution, and so

(38:45):
really having the foundation to understand that even at our worst,
God loves us beyond our capacity to understand. God loves
us unconditionally, and that unconditional love doesn't mean like unconditional
permission to do what the fuck we want, right, And

(39:07):
that's why pain is a teacher. We experience pain, suffering,
and disappointment to the degree that we need to be
broken open. Our hearts need to be broken open, and
we need to be humbled to understand that we're being
called into a deeper alignment. We're being called to perhaps
a higher station of life, and it might not necessarily

(39:29):
look like what we think it's going to look like.

Speaker 3 (39:31):
Right.

Speaker 4 (39:31):
That's what I learned and I still continue to learn,
because we have it all all mapped out at a
certain point where like, Okay, this is what I do,
and when I get this, it's all going to work out.
And sometimes we need we need to be humbled, and
we need to be broken down so that we can
be born anew so that we can recalibrate to the

(39:53):
path that our soul is really here to live. And
I know that for me, there was a lot of resistance,
and there's still this occasional resistance that I'm unconscious of,
you know. But it's through that yearning and that longing
to know God more and to love God more that
keeps me deepening my alignment because I know that when

(40:14):
pain comes, I need to listen. If it comes and
I'm not able to hear the whisper and then it
comes in the shouts and I'm ignoring the shouts, then
it might come with a you know, a swift kick
knocking me off my feet that makes me freeze and go, Okay,
I need to take stock of the situation because clearly

(40:36):
I'm not attuned right now to God. I'm not listening
to what God wants of me.

Speaker 3 (40:40):
You mentioned something earlier about somatic past, and I know
the importance of really getting clear on the emotional intelligence
and the destruct or the emotional inheritance and the destructive
behavior that it can cause. So to maybe somebody that
isn't aware of somatic past or what that means, or

(41:02):
emotional dysfunction, generational dysfunction. Can you just talk about that
a little more.

Speaker 4 (41:08):
Yeah, you know, it's called different things. I call it,
you know, generational cycle of trauma or generational curse because
that's what it really is. You know, epigenetically, it's handed
down to us lifetime after lifetime, through the generations, through
our father and our mother and their parents and their
parents and depending on what they went through. You know,

(41:31):
that gets into the DNA, it gets into the literal
their nervous systems and our nervous systems wire based on
our environment, right, they sync up with our environment so
that we can survive, so we can know this is
what I can expect, and this is how I need
to navigate reality because this is the quality of life.
It is. So if during a war, you know, things

(41:52):
are scarce, there's a famine, you know, people are on
edge and it's not you know, then that's the nervous
system that we're getting so that we can have the
best chance of survival. You know, and that doesn't just
eliminate after one generation, and it carries on. It carries on.
You know, we I think we all of us came.
We were already in our I think it was in
our grandmother, right in our grandmother's womb. We're in our

(42:14):
in her eggs. I think it goes back at least
three generations, but even beyond that of just the norms
of our family of origin and beliefs and expectations, and
how that can carry on and potentially limit us and
the expression that we want to have. And so you know,
really trauma is any experience that was too much for

(42:38):
us to integrate. It was overwhelming, and so we went
into a state of fight flight or freeze. But think
about being born into a family that's in state the
state of fight flight or freeze. That's the nervous system
we inherit. That's that was the nervous system I inherited.
Like life is hard, things are scarce, people are mean,
and yes, of course there's those those moments of light,

(43:00):
of tenderness of love. It wasn't as that. There's a
lot of others out there who have experienced way worse,
but mine was at least intense enough where it felt
like a burden from a very early age. And so
children shouldn't be feeling a massive burden in life ideally, optimally,
you know, for for for their optimal thriving, we should

(43:21):
ideally live in a place of security, of calm, of peace.
And we can look at a lot of other countries
and they don't necessarily have a ton of wealth, but
they can still have access to joy and togetherness and
unity because a lot of them, you know, they might
be connected to their culture. Right, there's these cultural blueprints
that support us in our thriving. But in America, you know,

(43:44):
there's a there's kind of a lot of different things
going on, a lot of things that can be confusing.
And so coming from a biracial household, my mother from
the East, my father from the West, that was already
a collision of worldviews, right, masculine and feminine, it's it's
it's a coming together. And in my case, at least,

(44:05):
there was a kind of a dysfunctional relationship between the
masculine and feminine. You know, my father was very patriarchal,
very dominant, controlled my mother in various ways. And my mother,
you know, and she was also very emotional, So she
did have the storm aspect, but being in this environment
where it's like the accumulation of generations of stuff, of

(44:30):
gunk of hardship and it's just like kind of being
on a pressure cooker, you know, it felt like just
walking on eggshells, like a false step could result in pain.
And so it was already like they're in the ether,
and it wasn't that hard for it to come through
in a physical way. And so having to work through
that kind of emotional burden or baggage was a big

(44:54):
part of my work after having my awakening experience, because
it didn't just go away. After my awakening with God
and experiencing what unconditional love is, experiencing what true peace
and calm is, I had the contrast to know, wow,
I'm nowhere near that in my day to day I
could be in nature and still like not fully at ease.
And so it took me years of intensive meditation, of

(45:16):
intensive prayer, of spending time in nature and disconnecting from
the media, the TV, the partying and all those things
to kind of detox. And then I came to a
point of losing my younger sister to suicide, losing my
sister Shanda to suicide, and that was it was devastating.
That was a very devastating experience. And I believe that

(45:41):
the only thing that kept me and helped me be
the man that I was at the time was God,
because now I had a place to turn to when
it felt like it was too much, and I didn't
question God's will. I didn't say this is wrong, and
the shudn't have happened. I started from a place of acceptance,
knowing that God is in control of all things and

(46:04):
that nothing happens without divine sanction. And God even showed
me a vision of it happening a year before it happened,
and it was, you know, she jumped off a building
in this vision that I had, and in the vision,
I jumped off after her because and I teleported after
I died, quote unquote died. But then now suddenly I

(46:26):
got teleported to this like kind of no man's land,
like this in between where now I was like, oh no,
I don't have a body anymore and I'm just stuck here.
And I was like this awful realization of like, oh no,
I'm stuck here. And from that point the day that
it happened. I was guided, and this is all in

(46:49):
retrospect and the moment, I had no idea. I was
just living in the moment. But I was sharing with
my sister how much we loved her. I was saying
all these things and letting her know that we're going
to be here no matter what, We're not going to
give up on her. And I'd just been fresh out
of addiction. I had a year sober at that point,
and I just was putting all my energy into trying
to help her because I was like, if God helped me,

(47:10):
God's going to help her. And I like that was
like where I was kind of like not seeing the
creator and the Creator's will and how things unfold clearly,
because it was really like I need to save my sister.
That's why God. Part of why God saved me so
that I can save my sister. But in losing her
in you know, having to say goodbye, and in really

(47:33):
being pulled down into the underworld, because that's really what
it plunged us into in my family, because my mother
was so hell bent on saving her of like we
need to save her, we need to save her. And
I feel like almost in some ways that like need
to like try to save her. Is why in some

(47:53):
ways maybe God took her because it wasn't helping or
serving any of us in our growth, because we were
hyper focused on trying to save my sister and it
wasn't meant to be, and that brought us into healing.
That tragedy was a tragedy of losing my younger sister

(48:14):
ultimately is what pushed me really, because they're so low,
they lost their jobs. I was carrying the family on
my shoulders and the finances and everything, and they were
not functioning, and so I pulled us. I pulled us
into the breavement support groups, you know, I pulled us
into family therapy and found a space for them to
cry and for us to you know, feel the compassion

(48:37):
of someone else that was just fair kind of as
a rock. And through that process I got into my
own therapy and then I started that really started deepening
my healing journey and acceleration of my self awareness. So
it really came together with my spiritual beliefs and practices,
but also really doing my work to clear out the somatic,

(48:59):
my somatic body right to really do the work to
break those generational cycles that were momentums that were like
pushing me in a certain direction, and so really and
like kind of putting a pause and beginning to do
that work that's deeper self work. It inspired so much
transformation not only within me, but within others because it

(49:21):
really kind of said, oh, wow, this is so powerful
to heal and to feel love from another person, to
feel compassion from another person, to feel their humanity. It's
a game changer. It's a game changer. It literally flipped
everything and expanded my world even further. And that's really

(49:42):
what gave me, like kind of the direct experience of
God and others, of experiencing God within others as like
the right words would come through and touch a deep places,
as I felt someone just being there listening, support, being
selfless and holding that space for me and me being
able to receive that. It changed just the nervous system, right,

(50:06):
because we begin internalizing these safe people, you know, these
in these spaces where we feel safe, and it helps
us coregulate. Suddenly our nervous system is being regulated and yeah,
and finding safety in another I feel like it's it's
pretty crucial to be able to feel that first and

(50:26):
then we can find help other people find that safety
once we can find it within ourselves. But how can
we find it within ourselves if we don't have someone
else that can model that for us or show us
in a human in human form, what it is to
be calm, to be loving. Wow.

Speaker 3 (50:43):
That word safety really, in the last year, it's been
about a year, has run very very deep for me.
And you guys are talking about your paths and spirituality
and path to God. My so ten years into my sobriety,
I ended up doing a ceremonial buffo code medicine journey.

Speaker 4 (51:02):
And my intention is doing the.

Speaker 3 (51:05):
Journey was to get closer to God and really develop
that relationship because for ten years I was talking to
talk and I mean I was praying and meditating, but
it was lacking the depth and kind of some of
that transactional stuff Darren was talking about. And as I
entered into the medicine and left my body, I did
not see God, but I felt the presence of God.

Speaker 4 (51:28):
And as I dropped in, it was.

Speaker 3 (51:30):
In a ceremony of about five people, and I started
saying out loud, I'm safe, I'm safe, and I repeated
it four or five times, and the shaman called me
in to go first. It was five people that had
never done it before, so they not only did they
get to witness that and me verbalizing it.

Speaker 4 (51:48):
But I felt held. I felt safe.

Speaker 3 (51:51):
I felt and my intention was to get closer and
I felt and not necessarily saw, but felt everything that
I needed to. And I was like, oh my god,
everything's going to be fine. Everything I've done my whole
life was to feel safe. All about it, Karen, what
other people think, and I'm like, I'm good. And as
I came back and integrated, it just made me realize

(52:11):
how many how everybody is going through this world just
trying to feel safe, and us as men don't have
to worry about going out to our car at ten
o'clock at night and worried about feeling safe. So then
it gave me a whole nother perspective around women and safety.
And so it's just been a big thing for me
about holding sacred space. And I know you're doing that,

(52:32):
and I want to make sure we leave enough time
to talk about the unbelievable work you're doing, the men's
work with sacred sons.

Speaker 4 (52:40):
Yeah, yeah, thank you so much for presencing the importance
of safety and our responsibility as men to create those
sacred spaces for transformation to happen, and so really have
been immersed in men's work for the past seven years,
I would say. And it happened kind of by happenstance,
of course, as it would, where I was invited to

(53:04):
facilitate a men's prayer circle. There was a call putting
out at the time of Standing Rock, where the Standing
Rock sue, we're facing off with the Dakota Access Pipeline.
They were wanting to build a pipeline, oil pipeline through
the reservation, and the indigenous peoples you know, from all
over the world gathered at Standing Rock to say no,

(53:26):
to say enough is enough, and there was a standoff
between the police and between the indigenous people's and who
are all gathering. And so there was a call put
out by the elders at Standing Rock that men's and
women's prayer circles be created and that we pray for
the water protectors, we pray for the ones who are

(53:47):
standing up. And I was invited to co facilitate the
ceremony from a brother mine at the time, and he
he blessed me in that sense of really giving me
a space where I could bring in some of these
you know, Western psychological perspectives and techniques and ways of

(54:10):
facilitating that I had learned through my undergraduate experience in
facilitating you know, these pretty much growth therapy groups. And
I was on my way to become a therapist, but
being able to weave in what I had learned through studying,
you know, these different tools and techniques of helping people
heal that were not you know, I was not of

(54:30):
the psychiatric perspective after my sister and seeing what happened
with my sister, but you know, really seeing that we
are the medicine and that we can really hold a
space and lead others into safety. We can lead others
and create the context that they can feel safe enough
to express the parts of themselves that they didn't get

(54:51):
to express, perhaps in their childhood or along the way
to their adulthood. And it's many of these I think
failures of the environment. I don't it's no one's to
blame at the end of the day, no one's to blame.
But there is a responsibility that we have as men
to shift culture, to shift our environments by being that

(55:13):
safe and grounded space. But how can we be that
safe and grounded space when it wasn't modeled for us,
or if we've never experienced one, and so unless we
experienced it along the way through our family of origin
or through a mentor, or through an uncle or an
aunt or someone that could give us that blueprint of
what it is to feel safe in another's presence, to

(55:34):
feel protected, then we kind of go off piecing together,
piecing life together in a way of like what we
think we should do, what we want to do, but
also the somatic embodiment of what we are energetically, like
what is our ancestral inheritance, what kind of traumas are

(55:55):
we carrying from this lifetime from birth to where we
stand today, and are we effectively integrating all of that
energy in such a way that we can radiate the peace,
the calm, the safety, the inspiration to love, the compassion
that really humanity, that's our birthright. Like what God teaches

(56:21):
us is that we are created in God's image, and
this is said in many different ways around the world.
You know, it's not only from the Christian faith, it's
from all faiths. So we are creating God's image. And
so what that means is we have the capacity to
develop these qualities in us. And that's why for me,
there's no automatic salvation. It's our responsibility as men and

(56:43):
as women and as humans to cultivate our higher faculties,
to refine our consciousness so that we can support the evolutions,
you know, whether that's our own children, whether that's in
our purpose work, whether that's out on the field, you know,
wherever that is, to be able to bring that cultivation

(57:04):
into the environment. That's what brings balance. And that's really
our responsibility as anchors right as men, where we can
anchor a certain energetic to an environment, and that could
be a positive or a negative. Right we can bring
we can bring anger, we can bring anks, we can
bring fear, we can bring terror, We can bring a
lot of things as men, and we just want to

(57:26):
look at examples from throughout time, war right, genocide. We
are capable of the darkest of things, and we're also
capable of the most beautiful of things, and so it
really is our prerogative. I believe to find orientation around
the core of life, which is the creator, which is God,

(57:47):
which is the source of all existence. And our closest
example is simply nature, because nature is creation, it's God's
creation and it's it's just a continual giving. It's radiating
its peace, and if we spend enough time in nature,
it's it's one of the greatest Tea says. I'm sure
you both can attest to and anybody who's given it.

(58:09):
It's due time we can connect to the Creator more
readily through nature or through you know, are a baby, right,
Babies are great examples because they're straight, they're straight from source,
and when they're when they're well fed and well slept
and we're holding them. You know, I have a newborn,
my son, Zion, my number three. When I'm holding him

(58:30):
and he's just smiling at me, I'm just looking in
his eyes and it feels like I'm just being submerged
into the depths of love and I'm just here. There's
nothing else, just him and I and it's this sacred
experience that it's like this is God. You are God,
and I'm experiencing God through you, my son, and I'm

(58:50):
just feeling that interconnectedness that like I'm my father's son,
but I'm also the great Father's son, as we all
are as men. And so that's what really inspired the
creation of sacred sons was my first son, Cairo. You know,
two days after he was born, I was leading a
group of sixty four men in exercises that I was
creating on the fly because I had that intention and

(59:11):
desire and I'd never facilitated that large of a group,
but it was just coming through I'm going to do this,
I'm going to lead them in this way, and by
through the process I saw them and their walls were
coming down. They were crying, they're seeing each other, they
are bracing, they're feeling love, they're feeling safety, and they're
feeling permission to bring all of them out rather than

(59:32):
like how much as men we feel like we need
to censor ourselves or show up in a certain way.
But if that's not a true natural being and it's
bravado or it's this like provisional personality, these adaptations we've
learned to use to survive, to get clout, whatever it is,
then that energetic is going to lead to suffering for

(59:53):
ourselves or for another because it's not in true alignment
with the Creator. And so I feel like, as men,
our first step is coming back to our hearts where
the Creator dwells, coming back to our hearts, coming back
to nature, coming back to love within ourselves. But the
only way to do that is to reckon with the darkness,
to face the shadows, to face the ways we've been
out of alignment, the ways we've lied, stolen, herded, cheat like,

(01:00:15):
all the ways that we've been out of integrity and
caused harm to life. To really do that fearless self inventory.
You know, they do this in AA and a lot
of twelve step programs. I had never gotten into AA,
but it was a part of my spiritual path of
There's a toll Tech tradition called recapitulation where you go
through your whole life and find all the times where

(01:00:39):
you had been out of integrity, and then you recreate
the situation as you would now, and you go through
your whole life doing that, and they say it cleanses
your luminosity. So you're cleansing your energy, You're cleansing your
soul of all the misdeeds and replacing those misdeeds with
the right deeds. So now you're clear about how to

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be in alignment. And so that's the first step as
men and as I think humans in general, is coming
into alignment with our source. Right that that's our true north.
And if we have a true north that's not rooted
in the creator, that's actually born of this world and
born of the you know, the creations of man, then
we're going to be off the mark. And that's what like,

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that's sinning, right, to miss the mark, that's what it
really means to sin, like the etymology of the word right,
that's what it what it meant originally to miss the mark.
And so if we want to be on mark, on
our target, and and for me, the target is to
embody as much love, as much peace, as much wisdom,

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and to share it with as many as I can,
and to really kind of be that alchemy of spirit
and matter, because I know I'm this soul, I'm this
energy that it resides in this body right now. And
I know, based on my sisters, how abruptly my sister's
life was taken away, that my life could end just

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this suddenly, that I don't have a guarantee on tomorrow,
and so I do my best to live each day
as if it was it would be a good day
to die. And of course I want to live a
very long life. But the indigenous Native Americans that would
have a saying they say, today's a good day to die,
especially when they went off to war, you know, gave
them that courage to move forward without thought of their

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own life so that they could be effective in war.
And there's that understanding that in some ways I don't
want to use that analogy of war for our life.
But there are outer principalities which are not for God.
And while the core of it, all there is is God,

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all there is is the Creator, because anything that's outside
of the Creator isn't even real. But while we're in
these bodies, while we're in this three D world, and
it feels very real. I want to show up in
a way that demonstrates to my three children, my sons,
what it is to be a man and up with responsibility,
to show up with love, to show up with courage,
and to stand for freedom right, our human freedom. And

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that's really a foundation of God. Is freedom, is feeling free,
is feeling free. And I experience that more and more
as I'm as I'm expanding, and I want I want
that for my sons, I want that for humanity because
I think so many of us, myself included in the past,

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felt like I grew up in a prison. I felt
like I grew up like with so much baggage and
weight on my shoulders, and so to be able to
help men lighten their load a little bit, because once
we lighten our load and we work through some of
that trauma, it opens up a space within our somatic
body to now start perceiving and experiencing life in a
whole new way. We're finding more joy, more levity. Right,

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there's so much joy simply in existence, and it can
be very very serious and bleak and like, I don't
know how much longer I want to be here kind
of energy unless we make space in our somatic bodies
that we can really play, so play doesn't feel like
it's has to be for so we can actually genuinely
play like little children and feel that freedom and wonder

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and joy just to simply be in these bodies on
this beautiful earth. I could go on.

Speaker 2 (01:04:23):
So, man, you're really painting a beautiful picture. The ultimate
comeback story. I feel like, I would say, from a
hopeless life, oblique life, to the most broken parts of
your story, where that love and compassionate as deep as
form came to meet you there and then propel you

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from there to be love and something that I feel
like has inspired somebody today, that somebody can take away
from the fact that from their pain, from their suffering,
that there is something great that can form from that
when they feel like nothing is possible. So yeah, we
appreciate you. I appreciate you for coming on here and

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sharing just the depths of your story. Man.

Speaker 4 (01:05:07):
Thank you for the space, Thank you for the time. Brothers. Yeah, Wellbera,
this was so powerful man, I knew this would go deep.

Speaker 3 (01:05:13):
And for anybody listening, even if you were maybe a
female listening, and you want to pass this along this
episode to as many men as possible, it would help.
But I think it also helps the female to understand
also the importance of this work, whatever your race or
your gender is so the way that you articulate things

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and just to attach the proper meaning to all of
the struggle and the pain and the loss of your sister,
the east and the west of mom and dad and
how it's collided. It's like all brought you to this
space of great wisdom and you're doing great things, man,
So thank you so much for showing up and sharing
your heart and telling your story.

Speaker 4 (01:05:54):
Yeah, yeah, thank you so much. Brothers. It's time, you know,
that we can bring masculine and feminine together and the
perfect and young, you know. And that's really the evolution
of my work beyond Sacred Sons, is unifying the masculine
and the feminine and creating the spaces for us men
who have been in the path and for the women
who are ready to be met, to come together in
the sacred reunion as I call it, because it's a prayer,

(01:06:16):
it's a prayer or collective. You know, from all the
pain that we see out there, that we need spaces
where we can come together and unify men and women
from all backgrounds. It's time to unify. Where can our
listeners track you down? Yeah, they can check out my
Instagram which is Albert Bastia and Albert Bostia dot com

(01:06:37):
as well. I'm sure you guys can put in the
show notes that we got these on these modern devices.

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Yeah Thanks.

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