May 28, 2024 • 30 mins
Lil Duval chop it up with Turky On The Loose founder, Nikki Sutton about her journey from an overcoming the life of crime to becoming a successful entrepreneur. She discusses her upbringing, experiences in the streets, getting shot, and the evolution of her business, maintaining peace and sanity in life and more. Tune in and join the conversation in the socials below.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'm thet Duvall and this is Conversations with the podcast.
Today's guest is the owner and operator of Turkey on
the Loose right here in Georgia. Let's welcome Nikki Sutton.
Let me know where who you are and where you're from.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
I'm Nikki Sutton from Atlanta, Georgia.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
I'm Atlanta, Georgia.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Fourth for what part h fourth for great you're from
Greater home grader homes.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Okay, okay, how old are you? Might? What you mind
me ask you all day?
Speaker 1 (00:25):
I'm forty two, so you're around my age. I'm forty six. Okay,
you know so so I know you could talk. I
know you ain't no soft soft as motherfucker, you know
what I'm saying. So so tell me about your upbringing
or whatever, like when you got to established in your
life or who who you when you became Nikki the
person who you are.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
I came from a really good background. It's just the
things that I chose to do in life to get
off the path. I was in the street, I was
hanging out, I did my thing, scamming pretty much, so.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
He was one of them trapped queens.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Yeah, pretty much.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
I really was.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
And I took your credit card and I went crazy
with it.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Let me ask you this before.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
I don't know if people know you what. They probably
don't because I'm learning you too. Was you gay at
this time or since I was fourteen? Okay? Okay, okay, okay,
So you always been who you are? Okay always okay?
Speaker 2 (01:15):
And I just you know, been in there all my
life and just how he had been trying to get it?
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Since how did you evolve from from the illegal ship
to the to the real ship.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
It took me getting shot to realize that wasn't the
life I wanted.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
So getting shot came from doing the street ship or.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Just getting shot just came from carmel. Basically, That's what
I think it was. I think it was karma.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
So you believe in come absolutely really believing. I do.
I do too, I really believe in So what what?
So give me a little tell me a little more about.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Because you was you deep off in the streets, like
really deep, or you were just doing your thing.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
D you called me for everything anything you needed, I
had it, or I can get it, I.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Can touch it.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Yeah, the niggas know not the fuck with you too,
though they did? Okay, they did, and that I was.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Always solid, So I did never have those problems.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Right right, right right then.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
That's why they never fucked with you in the streets.
But karma, that's why you say karma came another way around?
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Right?
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Okay, Okay, that's what's up. I mean, I understand the
life is, that's what evolves. And what in that moment
made you change your life? Because a lot of people
get shot and that don't that make them too? Park
around as motherfucker?
Speaker 3 (02:23):
You know what I'm saying. But what made you say?
You know what, I gotta do something else?
Speaker 2 (02:29):
I just said, Lord, have you let me live through this?
I'm done? And it was just pretty much.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
And when did you get shot at?
Speaker 2 (02:35):
I got shot on Columbia Drive.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Where my stomach? Your stomach, stomach and my stomach twice?
Speaker 3 (02:42):
How was the healing process?
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Healing went will? He and will was two month? Healing
process two months? Oh shit, my healing shit was twelve months?
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Really? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (02:53):
But I didn't get shot. I got hit by a
car for real. But all healing is healing, especially traumatic
stuff like that. Do you think it fuckued you psychologically?
Some days I do even to this day. How long
ago was that?
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Twenty sixteen, twenty sixteen, that wasn't that long.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
I guess when you look at the big scheme things,
especially at I age, that really right? Yeah, so what
did you think? But did that motivate you the you
say it motivated you to.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
To do something different. I just need to do something different.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
And so what jumped you into the turkey business? The
turkey turkey leg what is it?
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Turkey on the loose leg restaurant?
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Yeah? Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
It was my night to cook for my wife and
I and bought. I bought the wrong thing and in
the cab forms market talking on the phone and not
really paying attention. So I walk up to the lady.
I'm like, let me have all of them. She said,
you want all of these? I'm like yeah, she gave
it to. When I get to the register, it was
like four hundred and fifty six dollars. I'm like, what
the fuck I bought? And of course, you know you
can't turn around, so I paid for it. I get
in the car, call my mom my wife. I'm like, y'all,
(03:52):
I just bought some turkey legs and I can't take
them back. I don't even know what to do. My
mom said, well, just bring them. I ain't never cooked
on turkey legs, Nikki, Let's play with them. So I
played with them for what two weeks. I thought I
was barbecue and I didn't know it was smoking. I know,
I didn't know it was a difference between barbecue and
the smoking. And I did it for two weeks down
to my last day, the fourteenth day actually of the
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two weeks. They was right falling off the bone, and
I started giving I said, I got to hit y'all.
You know what I'm saying. So I started giving them away,
and then they started calling me for him, like shit,
I want that lemon pepper, bring just heat. Just people
running like all my friends, like everybody.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
I knew.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
I was just passing them out, give them to them.
They started calling me for him, like oh shit. So
I just keep by them, keep buying them. We playing
with them, trying to come up with different flavors and
the names as we was doing it. Like I said,
I just started giving them away, and then eventually, like
my third round, I started selling for ten dollars this warning,
some more and some more. Now we want pans. I'm
like oh shit, smoking take you know, hours. It's not
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like you can put them on there and they coming
off from like forty five minutes to out.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
Nah, It's like this was all by yourself, all.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
By myself, my wife and I know, my wife, my
mom and myself, and it was just a process.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
How long did that process happen? When you start? Like
how fast was it from all right? I just put
these heids like boom, oh shit, I start giving away
for like thirty days.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
It was raining. One day I was on Highway eighty
five pouring down rain and a bustle. You turned in
the middle of street. I saw a building and said,
for rent. Shit, I'm about to call them. I called
the lady kept saying I need to see who you are.
I need to see them, Like, shit, I got the money.
You don't need to see who I am.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
So when I got there and I met him, and shit,
she was like, I'm gonna trust you. I'm gonna let
you rent this property. She was like, because I see
that you have a past and here I am today.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
They said another thing. You didn't burn that bridge, neither
you did what you supposed to do. A lot of
people get something like that then and they say I'm
gonna give you a chance, and they and they fuck
it up, you know what I'm saying. But you didn't.
And that's what people got to understand too. It's a
little simple shit like that, you know what I'm saying,
Little simple shit like that, Like everybody can work hard
and have a business, because I'm pretty sure you ain't
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the first person that have to think like that. But
the difference is it's how you moved. Let me get
that lighted too. It's how you move. It's how you
handled it and how you had a quality and hustle
and you and.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
You was professional with it.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
When I say professional, it's like somebody gave you a chance,
you know what I'm saying, And that's all somebody needs.
Like I try to give people chances all the time,
and sometimes they fuck it up, and I hope they
fucking up all I have to do it no more
for their ad you know what I'm saying. But at
the same time, I try to give them the chance
because that's what we be needing, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
But from that, so what happened after that where you rent.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
The building from a like six months, paid rent on
time every month. She came to me one day and said, well,
Dad and I want to sell the property.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
I'm like, shit, I.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Just been up six months. I ain't even got the rope,
so I don't even know what I'm doing yet. And
she was like, well, we'll come back in a couple
of months and talk back to you. I'm riding one
day again, because anytime I'm riding, that's my therapy come
from just you know, driving. I called, I said, miss Normal,
you know, I think I'm ready to talk numbers. She came,
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She came with the number. I was like, shit, I'm
gonna get back at you.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
And I never called her back because a million dollars
just wasn't on my table at the time for that,
you know what I'm saying, Not for a restaurant. I
didn't and I didn't really know the game of it,
how to do what. So she ended up calling me
back and said we're gonna I need you to meet
me so we can have a sit down. I'm in
the met with her. We talked, came over with the numbers.
She said, give me fifty thousand and the rest of
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it on me, and I'm like, I told my wife,
I said, this shit can't be true. I'm like, this
shit can't be true.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
That's God.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
And I was like, all right, I see you. Lets
I say today Sunday. I was like, I see you Monday.
Monday morning, I called her like I'm ready, took it
to her. And here I am today, almost three years later,
and I owned the whole little block right there. I
bought the whole estates, you know what I'm saying. So
you know it's been going.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
For me, it's been going for you. That's dope, man,
Because people get caught up.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
In damn they made twenty million. I need to do that.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Everybody do it.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Yeah, yeah, it ain't that.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
It's the goddamn your hustle or dry because they could
take they could take that. They ain't got to want
to do turkeys. They could do something else, you see
what I'm saying. So that's why I don't like to
say too much about numbers too. I mean, numbers is cool,
but at the same time, what you did your hustle
and being at the right place at the right time,
and just being a good person in general.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
You know what I'm saying. It worked in your and
God gave you that chance.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
You know what I'm saying. I don't know if you
believe it God or whatever whatever it is. You know
what I'm saying is what it is. But it helped you.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
You didn't And like with me and Clay, Me and
Snake were just talking about how how a lot of
people they got that bag and fucked it up, fumbled
it trying to get the wrong things, and a lot
of peop people try to do the right things, but
they just it's a mindset thing, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
But all right, let me finish ask you this. Now
that you establish, how do you find peace? Or have
you found that yet?
Speaker 1 (09:12):
That's why I come in and try to help you
on that part, like how do you find like have
you found that yet?
Speaker 2 (09:18):
I found my peace? But I feel like it's going
so fast right now. It's like I still don't know
what's going on. I know what's going on, just run
the daily operation. But it's now people. Let me get
a franchise, Can I hear that? I want to take
it too, Tickets, I want to take Detroit. I want
to take it. I'm like you gotta come to it.
You know what I'm saying, Riverdale, if you want this, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
that's pretty much like where I am. It's just it's
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a lot.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
Yeah yeah, it's a lot.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
That's why I asked you. That's the business part of it.
But what about when you do you detox from that?
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Every now and when you know when it's time for
me to be off, I'm off?
Speaker 3 (09:52):
What do you do? What do you do for detox?
Chill with you, bitches? What you do?
Speaker 2 (09:59):
I'm a traveler, like trouble where you being. I've been
in Japan, I've been to Costa Rica.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Okay, okay, type ship what you like the most?
Speaker 3 (10:07):
I'm a traveler to I've been up damn there everywhere.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
But I really like Japan.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
Japan.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Yeah, the technology is insane.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
I tell you, I don't like this special than a
motherfucker over there. Man.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
But and then, I'm not a city person. I'm not
a city person. I don't like like city places like that.
Every place I like, I like it to look like
when I look at it, like, damn, it looked like
this's centuries ago.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
I like places like Asia, Asia, like I like the
I like the water parts, like places where water. I'm
a watery type nigga, Like I live in Bahamas, so
I'm a watery nigga.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
I like ship like that.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
And that's where I go to detox from the world.
And like it's a song in Bahama stopped the world
and let me off. That's why I go let off
right there and chill and and and I think everybody
should have that. It don't have to be like enxotic,
you know what I'm saying. It just got to be
a place to where you can gather your thoughts, especially
like now where you at in your life and your
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career and your business. You got a lot of shit
going on, and it's hard to think while you're in motion.
But you gotta step aside and say, shit, I'm a
chill me time, you know what I'm saying. And then
that'll get your mind back to that in there, give
you ten times more hustle, you know what I'm saying.
So that's that's that's my only only thing I can
(11:28):
say that. I just but it sounds like you're doing
it though, because you say you got your own detok
ship where you chill out and vibe out.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
I have to. I have to. So what you do
for fun, what you do for fuck?
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Smoke smoke smoking that good?
Speaker 3 (11:43):
I read a lot you do.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
I'm a reader.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
Hang really, I'm a visual person. I've always been like
I like movies a lot.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
I like movies. I got in the legos lately of
been that, but that's because I'm old. Yeah, the older
you get right, it makes you, It makes you use
your brain a lot more. And especially that's a social
media we get distracted so much. You know what I'm saying,
gotta gone, ain't but it is what it is. So
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you got to do shit to help that muscle. So
that's what I do.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
But other than that shit, I just be vibing too. Money.
That's what's up ing.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
So tell me about how you feel about the gay community,
how its evolved. Because I used to do a podcast
with my sister. It was called out here with and
that was my way of showing like we can be
two different type of people, like you can have your way,
I can have my way, and we don't have to agree,
but we can still love each other. And that was
my way of showing that through that ship. You know
what I'm saying, but I want to ask you, what
do you how do you feel about how because if
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you around my age, then you've seen it evolve to
what it is now.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
The Yeah, yeah, they very disrespectful. I think they disrespect
We'll call it a culture. Yeah, you'll own the group
whatever you want to make.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
Yeah, it's evolved into everything else.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
It's kind of like how blacks and want to tell
me was all one and we started separating and this
that I think that's what happened with Gaze now is
everybody separating to their own what they wanted to be.
And like sometime my sister used to tell me all
that she don't like how it is now because it's
like it's it's the cool thing, the proper.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Yeah, it's it's a trend to them now. See when
I was growing up and when I told my family
I was gay, I was a lesbian, they was like, oh,
nobody wanted to talk to me.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
They was like, I was the first person. My sister
told you what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
My aunt was my first person, and I was because
I couldn't tell nobody else I was.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
I went to her with and I was the only
one that went to her wedding. Wow.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
And this was before weddings was legal. This was like
early two thousands or some shit, and it was just like, you.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Know, they just left me out. And I was like,
you know what, they gonna need me, you know what
I'm saying. You know, the smaller you're thinking is, you know,
they gonna need me. And I just got on the ground.
I just just been grinding ever since and just living
my life. And then eventually they start coming around.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Yeah. You know, you think the world came around, They
came around around. You think they came around because the
world came around. They came around because of you, the
love of you.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
I think they was more so just nikka, just don't
give a damn. So just take it to leave it.
You know. The ones that's gonna deal, it's gonna deal.
The ones that's not, it's not. But now all of
them deal. Yeah yeah yeah, So I mean I didn't
force it on them, but this is me. You know,
I want to live my troops. So I didn't feel
like I should have to hide it.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
But today, what made you find it so young? Back then?
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Because back then it wasn't cool to come out at fourteen.
Oh no, it wasn't fourteen. I just knew I didn't
like guys. I dated this one guy, and I just
I have the way he felt was so hard. It
was too hard, you know.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
It was just I don't know, it was just I
don't know. It just wasn't for me. You know how
you just know something just not for you. It just
wasn't for me. My old lady gay as fuck. She
gave her motherfucker, but she like, she like pussy, but
she don't like women, if that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Like, you know, it's so funny. I tell people this
all the time. If you ever want if women, if
you want to know how crazy you are they the woman.
That's why I'm so cool with bull Daggers gay because
it's like, yeah, but I mean, but that's Upper Florida,
old nigga. But but that's who we like because y'all
understand us, like y'all don't take ship personally like that
they're you know, like when I talk to the Gazer's
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like I have to talk to them like I talk
to pregnant women. You know what I'm saying, Like like
you have to be sensitive with them, you know what
I'm saying. I'm not saying the bad way. Just like
like with women, I have to understand that I can't
just talk to them like a nigga and the barber shop.
So I have to understand that about gays. But with
with with gay women, we talked ship all day long,
all long, you know what I'm saying. It's like they
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don't take ship the hard because they understand y'all know.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Who you are. You got to know who you are.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Yeah, and you and it's the mindset of a nigga.
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
It is the mindset of a nigga. But you still
gotta know you are. I know, I'm a woman. At
the end of the day, you got some see you.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
You're the old school. But they now don't want to
say that. They don't want to say they are woman.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
No they don't. They don't.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Yeah, like like I don't get and not cool with that.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
But while they get mad if you don't cool with that,
I don't get that, like that.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Part of the tree they don't know.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Yeah, And I think it's young gays because older gays
they be more reserved and chill, like because when you're young.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
You're popular. You want to be cool and want to
be accepted.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
When you get older, you don't give a fuck, Like
I don't give a fuck who don't care or who
don't know I'm gay or who? You know what I'm saying. Right,
So I get it, and I get the young you
want to be rebellious, and that's just just everybody, not
even just gaye just young people. You want to be
voisterous and rebellious, you know what I'm saying. Just gaze
users use the sexual part of it, but we all
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do it. When you're young, you loud, You.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
Want to be seen, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
It's the same thing, you know, But when you get older,
you realize everybody ain't against you.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
You know what I'm saying. Everybody ain't ain't.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Sometimes it's just like I always say that you say
this on stage. It's like it's like like because they say,
like buffuers got mad because they went viral because I
said when the p Valley thing the muff was sucking that,
like I didn't want to see that, and they got
mad because I was like, how y'all mad?
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Because I don't want to see your motherfucker sucking dick.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
I was like, I was like I was like, it's
just like my It's like, I know my mama sucked
dick before, but I don't want to see my mama
sucked dick it all at all. So it's the same shit.
It's nothing that I'm not homophobic. I just don't want
to see that ship you do your thing. I don't
want to see it. It just caught me off guard.
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So but they took it personal, you know what I'm saying.
So it's just be understanding. It's like, it's not it's
just be shocking. It's just like me if I sell y'all.
Like when I started back in the day, I used
to talk about threesooms and all this air shocking to people.
I can't be mad as they shot because it's not
it's new to them. It's up to me to make
them understand it.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
Now. It's nothing now, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
But it's it's I can't be mad because they didn't know,
so I introduced it to it. They're not gonna get it,
you know what I'm saying. It's up to us show them.
It's like you can't make another cut race understand you
by fighting them. You gotta show them you know what
I'm saying, You gotta befriendom let him see. Like nigga,
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you know what I'm saying. If you're trying to win it,
if you don't give a fuck, fuck it, you know.
But some people have a bigger agenda, you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
So being who you are and me just send back
watching you. I guess my question now is that I'm
getting to meet you. How do you maintain it? The
sanity part of it?
Speaker 3 (18:32):
Yeah, you at peace like program.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
I had to program myself every day I did something
that I felt brought me peace towards where I wanted
to be. It's like, if you you from the street.
So if you're in the street mindset, you're gonna always
be in the street mindset. But in order to get
out that street mindset, you gotta every day say all right,
you gotta you gotta be intentional with not doing it.
And that's what I did every day years ago, decades ago.
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I always like I'm from the streets, but I never
really wanted to be from the streets. So I always
tried to try to be better from being out the
streets because I knew always had it in me that
I was in the streets to show people to get
out of it. So that's my way of doing it.
It's just like a right. If I want to be
out and show them the world and show them that
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it's bigger than this, I have to be the change
that I want to see. So I always stayed ahead
of the game, and I've always had a mindset to
look forward, you know, to be a forward thinker. So
that's what keep me at and what keep me at
peace is shit. Just have an understanding. Like I told
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you earlier that when we was talking, I break off
from the world and just watch the world instead of
being in the world. I break off from the world
and watch it. You know what I'm saying. So that's
all I do. But I have to you have to
be intentional with doing it. It's like we always said,
like even in comforts, like really we just programmed and
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saying what we supposed to say. But you have to
the way you programmed and what you're doing. You have
to reprogram yourself to do something, even in something simple.
It don't have to be nothing major. You don't have
to travel the world. You could just be like, all right,
I want to go and you say you like reading,
I'm going and read it and read a book that
could be your outlet. You see what I'm saying. You
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be chilling, you know what I'm saying. And when you
get back into it, you be looking at it like
you say, you travel, like how many times you done?
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Like when you went to Japan, Japan.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
When you go to Japan, you realize nothing that we
talk about over here in Atholis, and then you get
back over and then when you get back over here
you hear what people talking about.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
You'd be like the fuck fuck. You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
So you realize and traveling and well, really what really
opened my eyes with life was scuba diving. When I
went to schoola diving, I realized how much I didn't know,
and I was I've always been that person that be
in the clubs and if everybody know the song and
I don't, I be mad.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Too mad, I'm busy.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
But see the same thing when I went under water
and I realized, like all this life under here, it's
like I don't know ship. You know what I'm saying,
So it's like if all this ship going on, I've
been up here in this little box of the world
you realize and when you travel, you realize it's so
much shit going on that, don't you You realize how yourrelevant?
You mo, You're just irrelevant? Just leave, you know what
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I'm saying to other people. So it makes you understand
where your place is in life, and it makes you
navigate through life a lot better, you know what I'm saying.
That's what it did for me. Put things in perspective
as far as where I'm at in the world and
where I'm at who I am mentally, and so I
can adjust myself and I look at the world like
like god, damn. You know how you're on the plane
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and you can see this, you can see shit better.
That's how That's how I look at word. I can
see shit better, so I can navigate through shit. You
I can say, nah, I don't go that way because
I see what's going on for I'm gonna go this
guy damn with It makes it a.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
Lot easier birds I view type ship? What else? What? What?
What did you start when you start locking your locking
your dread?
Speaker 2 (22:13):
I started with like twenty No, I started over three times.
So this is my third set right here.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
Yo, you cut them off while you keep cutting them
off this twelve your run on these?
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Why you keep cutting them? Why did you cut them?
Speaker 2 (22:31):
My hair it holds some I wouldn't cut him again now,
but now it's strength. Yeah, it's I lean on these,
like my everything is in this. So it's just real
personal to me. So every time I start over, it
was like on something. Everything was just toxic, toxic in
my body at the time. I don't I don't feel
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like doing this. I don't want to do this. I
need to do you know. It was just your hair
holds a lot of weight on you, you know it does.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
My ship was heavy that she was giving me headaches. Yes,
my ship was thick, my head thick. So I had
to cut my shirt off. My she was she was
a motherfucker.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
But all of them. This is the best set. That's
the best set because it's still on you shut up.
It's a bit set. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
So let's talk about your love life. What's going on
in your love life, how you doing and the love life.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
I'm doing good in my love life.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
You got family, you got JITs, you got it, family, kids,
So a lot of that, a lot of that, take
a lot of JITs.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
No, seriously, I have a wife we've been married for
sixteen years.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
So you was married even before they made it paperwork.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Yeah, we went to California and got married, so been together.
She has a seven year old. Well when I met her,
she her daughter was seven. She's all twenty four now
twenty three now, yeah, raised one and she's in college. Yeah,
thank god. So you know she's just like me. She
she took after me. She she wanted to do everything
I wanted to do. I wanted to go to college.
I never went.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
So she just followed.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
You break all the stereotypes that they say with with
gay's raising kids.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
Oh yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
She didn't have no problems growing up in school, not
at all. She didn't get picked on. She wanted the
one that had to sit in the back of the
class type sh a. You know, so.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
I got two mamash. Is she having the male figures
in her life?
Speaker 3 (24:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Actually she had with three brothers. She has three brothers
from a dad side.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
She got some brothers, so she's good. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
They all gay too, for real, you know what I'm saying.
So it's like, yeah, but they're still guys. You think,
you think, you you think a lot of is it
more born? Because I believe people can be born gay
is believing that ship.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
You don't believe you be born gay? You know, I
don't think so you think so.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
I just it's it's what you want to do. It
ain't because you gotta.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
Like it.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
But when you said, you said when you first day,
the nigga is like this nigga to.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
To too hard. Yeah, so maybe you just was attracted
to women.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Okay, if you want to say that. But I don't
just think you're just born gay. I don't think you was.
I don't think that.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
But so you think you it's a choice. It's a choice.
You know. It's so funny. Most gays say they born
get you.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
One of the first ones I heard to say, now
you it's a choice.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
You think it's a choice if you don't try.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
But one time.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
Is I think all women gay me too. I think
all of them curious. They want to know what's going on.
You know, I've been telling niggas all the times, I
ain't worry about your niggas, don't about the don't worry
about the gay girls, because they the one can take
my bitch. It's the niggas. Yeah, ain't shit, I ain't. Yeah,
I wish you would. But the girls, I can't compete
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because y'all know them. Y'all know them. I heard how
she said. I heard how she said it because you
got to be into them. You have to if you
dated somebody, but the old I get. I know them how,
y'all because I learned from ya. I learned from it.
I tell you all the time. Like I didn't want
to say bull day, but like I learned from bull days.
He told me how he pussing all this shit.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
Stay woke. You know what I'm saying. I learned.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
I know I peep. I learned if you can't beat them,
joining them. So I was like, I ain't finna God
damn fighters, they gonna teach me gay. But y'all, y
I don't be worried about them niggas, but the girls,
the other ones you gotta watch out for. So you
you been with your.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
Girl for how long?
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Sixteen years?
Speaker 3 (26:24):
What you think the key to keeping at that loan? Loid?
Speaker 2 (26:27):
To communication?
Speaker 3 (26:28):
Communication? Community? How you keep it fun.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
Anyway? Ah? Okay? I mean, like I told you before,
travel is my thing. We just we travel, travel, we communicate.
We at date night. I still try to data. I'm saying,
you know, even all the years, I still get to
know it every day today she don't like this tomorrow
you do?
Speaker 1 (26:52):
You know, give me some advice because I told you
my old lady gay. Give me some advice that you
think that I that can help me that I I
don't know about.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
If you got it, I would definitely be interested in
what she's interested in. Show some interest.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
She interested in me, though, But what is it about you?
They just she like to cook, so I try to
like I'm and that's the thing I don't. I'm not
an eater like that. So but I whatever she want
to cook, I love to cook and ship.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
Like she's a foodie. She is, but she ain't.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
She just like to cook like I think she likes
to serve, if you know what I'm saying. So so
what you think? And she like a real nigga though
she done got shot before too, like I got a
real submissive. She's submissive, but she ain't submissive like she
she like a tough cookie like a motherfucker. But you
know how animal is like like everybody can't train a lion,
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but the one that can, they bow down. That's what
she is. If you give what I'm saying, you know
what I'm talking about, what you think about them? You
gotta give me advice.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Man, you that one. I mean, she already doing what
you like.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
Yeah, but I want to keep it like that. Let's
try to cook. That's good. Yeah, that's They ride with me.
I sit in the car.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Nah, you can't sit in the car. They ride with
me right quick? You do the driving drive.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
I do all that. But I'm saying when we get there,
I don't like to go ahead.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
No, you're gonna have your No, you need you gotta
do that. You gotta go in.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
That's what they want to do.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
This stuff with me. We girl.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
You know he puts the car up. You know it's
that's that's time. That's romantic. You know what I'm saying
is it's deeper than that.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
You know. Yeah, you're right.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
I try to do ship like that. I do simple stuff.
I do simple stuff like whatever, whatever, I see what
she needs. But sometimes it's hard because when you're in
a situation where I'm pretty sure you're gonna take care
a lot of motherfuckers too, But once you take care
of them, it's hard for them to be because now
it's like, all right, be happy.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
And that's where they get. I said, you just you
took a drink for that one ship.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
So it's like that's when you gotta find say, all right,
how can I keep her occupy not just keep an
occupyed away from because I like her to be with me,
but I like her to have her.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
Own happiness outside of me.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Yeah, but when she's with you, you got to give
her that happiness.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
I do, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
But I want to do something, but I want to
I'm saying, I want her to find happiness with what
she want to do.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
You get what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
She want to cook. You just told me she want
to cook. She want to cater to you.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
Yeah, you're right, I'm gonna do that. I appreciate that.
Appreciate you. I appreciate you. Man.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Keep doing your ship. Tell them tell them where to come.
Pull up on you to come get some of that
turkey that smokes that smoked turkey.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
For nine to six Highway eighty five, Riverdale, Georgia.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
Come on, best turkey legs around, come on talk talk
talk talk.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
He called, like, hey, that rice with the with the
turkey crumbles in it. The nigga said crumbles. Since come on, listen,
Like I told you, you know what I mean. I'm like,
all right, send them babies. He somebody the pork and beans.
I said, no, it's Turkey based. Everything in here Turkey,
Oh yeah, because he Musslim. Alrighty, no turkey on the loose.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
Goddam you need to leave that alone.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
Me.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
But I love you man. We got this bitch.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
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I'm thet Duvall and this is Conversations with the podcast.
Today's guest is the owner and operator of Turkey on
the Loose right here in Georgia. Let's welcome Nikki Sutton.
Let me know where who you are and where you're from.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
I'm Nikki Sutton from Atlanta, Georgia.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
I'm Atlanta, Georgia.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Fourth for what part h fourth for great you're from
Greater home grader homes.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Okay, okay, how old are you? Might? What you mind
me ask you all day?
Speaker 1 (00:25):
I'm forty two, so you're around my age. I'm forty six. Okay,
you know so so I know you could talk. I
know you ain't no soft soft as motherfucker, you know
what I'm saying. So so tell me about your upbringing
or whatever, like when you got to established in your
life or who who you when you became Nikki the
person who you are.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
I came from a really good background. It's just the
things that I chose to do in life to get
off the path. I was in the street, I was
hanging out, I did my thing, scamming pretty much, so.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
He was one of them trapped queens.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Yeah, pretty much.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
I really was.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
And I took your credit card and I went crazy
with it.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Let me ask you this before.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
I don't know if people know you what. They probably
don't because I'm learning you too. Was you gay at
this time or since I was fourteen? Okay? Okay, okay, okay,
So you always been who you are? Okay always okay?
Speaker 2 (01:15):
And I just you know, been in there all my
life and just how he had been trying to get it?
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Since how did you evolve from from the illegal ship
to the to the real ship.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
It took me getting shot to realize that wasn't the
life I wanted.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
So getting shot came from doing the street ship or.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Just getting shot just came from carmel. Basically, That's what
I think it was. I think it was karma.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
So you believe in come absolutely really believing. I do.
I do too, I really believe in So what what?
So give me a little tell me a little more about.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Because you was you deep off in the streets, like
really deep, or you were just doing your thing.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
D you called me for everything anything you needed, I
had it, or I can get it, I.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Can touch it.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Yeah, the niggas know not the fuck with you too,
though they did? Okay, they did, and that I was.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Always solid, So I did never have those problems.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Right right, right right then.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
That's why they never fucked with you in the streets.
But karma, that's why you say karma came another way around?
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Right?
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Okay, Okay, that's what's up. I mean, I understand the
life is, that's what evolves. And what in that moment
made you change your life? Because a lot of people
get shot and that don't that make them too? Park
around as motherfucker?
Speaker 3 (02:23):
You know what I'm saying. But what made you say?
You know what, I gotta do something else?
Speaker 2 (02:29):
I just said, Lord, have you let me live through this?
I'm done? And it was just pretty much.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
And when did you get shot at?
Speaker 2 (02:35):
I got shot on Columbia Drive.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Where my stomach? Your stomach, stomach and my stomach twice?
Speaker 3 (02:42):
How was the healing process?
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Healing went will? He and will was two month? Healing
process two months? Oh shit, my healing shit was twelve months?
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Really? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (02:53):
But I didn't get shot. I got hit by a
car for real. But all healing is healing, especially traumatic
stuff like that. Do you think it fuckued you psychologically?
Some days I do even to this day. How long
ago was that?
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Twenty sixteen, twenty sixteen, that wasn't that long.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
I guess when you look at the big scheme things,
especially at I age, that really right? Yeah, so what
did you think? But did that motivate you the you
say it motivated you to.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
To do something different. I just need to do something different.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
And so what jumped you into the turkey business? The
turkey turkey leg what is it?
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Turkey on the loose leg restaurant?
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Yeah? Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
It was my night to cook for my wife and
I and bought. I bought the wrong thing and in
the cab forms market talking on the phone and not
really paying attention. So I walk up to the lady.
I'm like, let me have all of them. She said,
you want all of these? I'm like yeah, she gave
it to. When I get to the register, it was
like four hundred and fifty six dollars. I'm like, what
the fuck I bought? And of course, you know you
can't turn around, so I paid for it. I get
in the car, call my mom my wife. I'm like, y'all,
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I just bought some turkey legs and I can't take
them back. I don't even know what to do. My
mom said, well, just bring them. I ain't never cooked
on turkey legs, Nikki, Let's play with them. So I
played with them for what two weeks. I thought I
was barbecue and I didn't know it was smoking. I know,
I didn't know it was a difference between barbecue and
the smoking. And I did it for two weeks down
to my last day, the fourteenth day actually of the
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two weeks. They was right falling off the bone, and
I started giving I said, I got to hit y'all.
You know what I'm saying. So I started giving them away,
and then they started calling me for him, like shit,
I want that lemon pepper, bring just heat. Just people
running like all my friends, like everybody.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
I knew.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
I was just passing them out, give them to them.
They started calling me for him, like oh shit. So
I just keep by them, keep buying them. We playing
with them, trying to come up with different flavors and
the names as we was doing it. Like I said,
I just started giving them away, and then eventually, like
my third round, I started selling for ten dollars this warning,
some more and some more. Now we want pans. I'm
like oh shit, smoking take you know, hours. It's not
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like you can put them on there and they coming
off from like forty five minutes to out.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
Nah, It's like this was all by yourself, all.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
By myself, my wife and I know, my wife, my
mom and myself, and it was just a process.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
How long did that process happen? When you start? Like
how fast was it from all right? I just put
these heids like boom, oh shit, I start giving away
for like thirty days.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
It was raining. One day I was on Highway eighty
five pouring down rain and a bustle. You turned in
the middle of street. I saw a building and said,
for rent. Shit, I'm about to call them. I called
the lady kept saying I need to see who you are.
I need to see them, Like, shit, I got the money.
You don't need to see who I am.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
So when I got there and I met him, and shit,
she was like, I'm gonna trust you. I'm gonna let
you rent this property. She was like, because I see
that you have a past and here I am today.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
They said another thing. You didn't burn that bridge, neither
you did what you supposed to do. A lot of
people get something like that then and they say I'm
gonna give you a chance, and they and they fuck
it up, you know what I'm saying. But you didn't.
And that's what people got to understand too. It's a
little simple shit like that, you know what I'm saying,
Little simple shit like that, Like everybody can work hard
and have a business, because I'm pretty sure you ain't
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the first person that have to think like that. But
the difference is it's how you moved. Let me get
that lighted too. It's how you move. It's how you
handled it and how you had a quality and hustle
and you and.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
You was professional with it.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
When I say professional, it's like somebody gave you a chance,
you know what I'm saying, And that's all somebody needs.
Like I try to give people chances all the time,
and sometimes they fuck it up, and I hope they
fucking up all I have to do it no more
for their ad you know what I'm saying. But at
the same time, I try to give them the chance
because that's what we be needing, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
But from that, so what happened after that where you rent.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
The building from a like six months, paid rent on
time every month. She came to me one day and said, well,
Dad and I want to sell the property.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
I'm like, shit, I.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Just been up six months. I ain't even got the rope,
so I don't even know what I'm doing yet. And
she was like, well, we'll come back in a couple
of months and talk back to you. I'm riding one
day again, because anytime I'm riding, that's my therapy come
from just you know, driving. I called, I said, miss Normal,
you know, I think I'm ready to talk numbers. She came,
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She came with the number. I was like, shit, I'm
gonna get back at you.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
And I never called her back because a million dollars
just wasn't on my table at the time for that,
you know what I'm saying, Not for a restaurant. I
didn't and I didn't really know the game of it,
how to do what. So she ended up calling me
back and said we're gonna I need you to meet
me so we can have a sit down. I'm in
the met with her. We talked, came over with the numbers.
She said, give me fifty thousand and the rest of
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it on me, and I'm like, I told my wife,
I said, this shit can't be true. I'm like, this
shit can't be true.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
That's God.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
And I was like, all right, I see you. Lets
I say today Sunday. I was like, I see you Monday.
Monday morning, I called her like I'm ready, took it
to her. And here I am today, almost three years later,
and I owned the whole little block right there. I
bought the whole estates, you know what I'm saying. So
you know it's been going.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
For me, it's been going for you. That's dope, man,
Because people get caught up.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
In damn they made twenty million. I need to do that.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Everybody do it.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Yeah, yeah, it ain't that.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
It's the goddamn your hustle or dry because they could
take they could take that. They ain't got to want
to do turkeys. They could do something else, you see
what I'm saying. So that's why I don't like to
say too much about numbers too. I mean, numbers is cool,
but at the same time, what you did your hustle
and being at the right place at the right time,
and just being a good person in general.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
You know what I'm saying. It worked in your and
God gave you that chance.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
You know what I'm saying. I don't know if you
believe it God or whatever whatever it is. You know
what I'm saying is what it is. But it helped you.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
You didn't And like with me and Clay, Me and
Snake were just talking about how how a lot of
people they got that bag and fucked it up, fumbled
it trying to get the wrong things, and a lot
of peop people try to do the right things, but
they just it's a mindset thing, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
But all right, let me finish ask you this. Now
that you establish, how do you find peace? Or have
you found that yet?
Speaker 1 (09:12):
That's why I come in and try to help you
on that part, like how do you find like have
you found that yet?
Speaker 2 (09:18):
I found my peace? But I feel like it's going
so fast right now. It's like I still don't know
what's going on. I know what's going on, just run
the daily operation. But it's now people. Let me get
a franchise, Can I hear that? I want to take
it too, Tickets, I want to take Detroit. I want
to take it. I'm like you gotta come to it.
You know what I'm saying, Riverdale, if you want this, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
that's pretty much like where I am. It's just it's
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a lot.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
Yeah yeah, it's a lot.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
That's why I asked you. That's the business part of it.
But what about when you do you detox from that?
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Every now and when you know when it's time for
me to be off, I'm off?
Speaker 3 (09:52):
What do you do? What do you do for detox?
Chill with you, bitches? What you do?
Speaker 2 (09:59):
I'm a traveler, like trouble where you being. I've been
in Japan, I've been to Costa Rica.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Okay, okay, type ship what you like the most?
Speaker 3 (10:07):
I'm a traveler to I've been up damn there everywhere.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
But I really like Japan.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
Japan.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Yeah, the technology is insane.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
I tell you, I don't like this special than a
motherfucker over there. Man.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
But and then, I'm not a city person. I'm not
a city person. I don't like like city places like that.
Every place I like, I like it to look like
when I look at it, like, damn, it looked like
this's centuries ago.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
I like places like Asia, Asia, like I like the
I like the water parts, like places where water. I'm
a watery type nigga, Like I live in Bahamas, so
I'm a watery nigga.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
I like ship like that.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
And that's where I go to detox from the world.
And like it's a song in Bahama stopped the world
and let me off. That's why I go let off
right there and chill and and and I think everybody
should have that. It don't have to be like enxotic,
you know what I'm saying. It just got to be
a place to where you can gather your thoughts, especially
like now where you at in your life and your
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career and your business. You got a lot of shit
going on, and it's hard to think while you're in motion.
But you gotta step aside and say, shit, I'm a
chill me time, you know what I'm saying. And then
that'll get your mind back to that in there, give
you ten times more hustle, you know what I'm saying.
So that's that's that's my only only thing I can
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say that. I just but it sounds like you're doing
it though, because you say you got your own detok
ship where you chill out and vibe out.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
I have to. I have to. So what you do
for fun, what you do for fuck?
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Smoke smoke smoking that good?
Speaker 3 (11:43):
I read a lot you do.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
I'm a reader.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
Hang really, I'm a visual person. I've always been like
I like movies a lot.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
I like movies. I got in the legos lately of
been that, but that's because I'm old. Yeah, the older
you get right, it makes you, It makes you use
your brain a lot more. And especially that's a social
media we get distracted so much. You know what I'm saying,
gotta gone, ain't but it is what it is. So
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you got to do shit to help that muscle. So
that's what I do.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
But other than that shit, I just be vibing too. Money.
That's what's up ing.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
So tell me about how you feel about the gay community,
how its evolved. Because I used to do a podcast
with my sister. It was called out here with and
that was my way of showing like we can be
two different type of people, like you can have your way,
I can have my way, and we don't have to agree,
but we can still love each other. And that was
my way of showing that through that ship. You know
what I'm saying, but I want to ask you, what
do you how do you feel about how because if
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you around my age, then you've seen it evolve to
what it is now.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
The Yeah, yeah, they very disrespectful. I think they disrespect
We'll call it a culture. Yeah, you'll own the group
whatever you want to make.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
Yeah, it's evolved into everything else.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
It's kind of like how blacks and want to tell
me was all one and we started separating and this
that I think that's what happened with Gaze now is
everybody separating to their own what they wanted to be.
And like sometime my sister used to tell me all
that she don't like how it is now because it's
like it's it's the cool thing, the proper.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Yeah, it's it's a trend to them now. See when
I was growing up and when I told my family
I was gay, I was a lesbian, they was like, oh,
nobody wanted to talk to me.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
They was like, I was the first person. My sister
told you what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
My aunt was my first person, and I was because
I couldn't tell nobody else I was.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
I went to her with and I was the only
one that went to her wedding. Wow.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
And this was before weddings was legal. This was like
early two thousands or some shit, and it was just like, you.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Know, they just left me out. And I was like,
you know what, they gonna need me, you know what
I'm saying. You know, the smaller you're thinking is, you know,
they gonna need me. And I just got on the ground.
I just just been grinding ever since and just living
my life. And then eventually they start coming around.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Yeah. You know, you think the world came around, They
came around around. You think they came around because the
world came around. They came around because of you, the
love of you.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
I think they was more so just nikka, just don't
give a damn. So just take it to leave it.
You know. The ones that's gonna deal, it's gonna deal.
The ones that's not, it's not. But now all of
them deal. Yeah yeah yeah, So I mean I didn't
force it on them, but this is me. You know,
I want to live my troops. So I didn't feel
like I should have to hide it.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
But today, what made you find it so young? Back then?
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Because back then it wasn't cool to come out at fourteen.
Oh no, it wasn't fourteen. I just knew I didn't
like guys. I dated this one guy, and I just
I have the way he felt was so hard. It
was too hard, you know.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
It was just I don't know, it was just I
don't know. It just wasn't for me. You know how
you just know something just not for you. It just
wasn't for me. My old lady gay as fuck. She
gave her motherfucker, but she like, she like pussy, but
she don't like women, if that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Like, you know, it's so funny. I tell people this
all the time. If you ever want if women, if
you want to know how crazy you are they the woman.
That's why I'm so cool with bull Daggers gay because
it's like, yeah, but I mean, but that's Upper Florida,
old nigga. But but that's who we like because y'all
understand us, like y'all don't take ship personally like that
they're you know, like when I talk to the Gazer's
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like I have to talk to them like I talk
to pregnant women. You know what I'm saying, Like like
you have to be sensitive with them, you know what
I'm saying. I'm not saying the bad way. Just like
like with women, I have to understand that I can't
just talk to them like a nigga and the barber shop.
So I have to understand that about gays. But with
with with gay women, we talked ship all day long,
all long, you know what I'm saying. It's like they
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don't take ship the hard because they understand y'all know.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Who you are. You got to know who you are.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Yeah, and you and it's the mindset of a nigga.
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
It is the mindset of a nigga. But you still
gotta know you are. I know, I'm a woman. At
the end of the day, you got some see you.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
You're the old school. But they now don't want to
say that. They don't want to say they are woman.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
No they don't. They don't.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Yeah, like like I don't get and not cool with that.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
But while they get mad if you don't cool with that,
I don't get that, like that.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Part of the tree they don't know.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Yeah, And I think it's young gays because older gays
they be more reserved and chill, like because when you're young.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
You're popular. You want to be cool and want to
be accepted.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
When you get older, you don't give a fuck, Like
I don't give a fuck who don't care or who
don't know I'm gay or who? You know what I'm saying. Right,
So I get it, and I get the young you
want to be rebellious, and that's just just everybody, not
even just gaye just young people. You want to be
voisterous and rebellious, you know what I'm saying. Just gaze
users use the sexual part of it, but we all
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do it. When you're young, you loud, You.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
Want to be seen, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
It's the same thing, you know, But when you get older,
you realize everybody ain't against you.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
You know what I'm saying. Everybody ain't ain't.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Sometimes it's just like I always say that you say
this on stage. It's like it's like like because they say,
like buffuers got mad because they went viral because I
said when the p Valley thing the muff was sucking that,
like I didn't want to see that, and they got
mad because I was like, how y'all mad?
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Because I don't want to see your motherfucker sucking dick.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
I was like, I was like I was like, it's
just like my It's like, I know my mama sucked
dick before, but I don't want to see my mama
sucked dick it all at all. So it's the same shit.
It's nothing that I'm not homophobic. I just don't want
to see that ship you do your thing. I don't
want to see it. It just caught me off guard.
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So but they took it personal, you know what I'm saying.
So it's just be understanding. It's like, it's not it's
just be shocking. It's just like me if I sell y'all.
Like when I started back in the day, I used
to talk about threesooms and all this air shocking to people.
I can't be mad as they shot because it's not
it's new to them. It's up to me to make
them understand it.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
Now. It's nothing now, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
But it's it's I can't be mad because they didn't know,
so I introduced it to it. They're not gonna get it,
you know what I'm saying. It's up to us show them.
It's like you can't make another cut race understand you
by fighting them. You gotta show them you know what
I'm saying, You gotta befriendom let him see. Like nigga,
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you know what I'm saying. If you're trying to win it,
if you don't give a fuck, fuck it, you know.
But some people have a bigger agenda, you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
So being who you are and me just send back
watching you. I guess my question now is that I'm
getting to meet you. How do you maintain it? The
sanity part of it?
Speaker 3 (18:32):
Yeah, you at peace like program.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
I had to program myself every day I did something
that I felt brought me peace towards where I wanted
to be. It's like, if you you from the street.
So if you're in the street mindset, you're gonna always
be in the street mindset. But in order to get
out that street mindset, you gotta every day say all right,
you gotta you gotta be intentional with not doing it.
And that's what I did every day years ago, decades ago.
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I always like I'm from the streets, but I never
really wanted to be from the streets. So I always
tried to try to be better from being out the
streets because I knew always had it in me that
I was in the streets to show people to get
out of it. So that's my way of doing it.
It's just like a right. If I want to be
out and show them the world and show them that
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it's bigger than this, I have to be the change
that I want to see. So I always stayed ahead
of the game, and I've always had a mindset to
look forward, you know, to be a forward thinker. So
that's what keep me at and what keep me at
peace is shit. Just have an understanding. Like I told
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you earlier that when we was talking, I break off
from the world and just watch the world instead of
being in the world. I break off from the world
and watch it. You know what I'm saying. So that's
all I do. But I have to you have to
be intentional with doing it. It's like we always said,
like even in comforts, like really we just programmed and
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saying what we supposed to say. But you have to
the way you programmed and what you're doing. You have
to reprogram yourself to do something, even in something simple.
It don't have to be nothing major. You don't have
to travel the world. You could just be like, all right,
I want to go and you say you like reading,
I'm going and read it and read a book that
could be your outlet. You see what I'm saying. You
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be chilling, you know what I'm saying. And when you
get back into it, you be looking at it like
you say, you travel, like how many times you done?
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Like when you went to Japan, Japan.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
When you go to Japan, you realize nothing that we
talk about over here in Atholis, and then you get
back over and then when you get back over here
you hear what people talking about.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
You'd be like the fuck fuck. You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
So you realize and traveling and well, really what really
opened my eyes with life was scuba diving. When I
went to schoola diving, I realized how much I didn't know,
and I was I've always been that person that be
in the clubs and if everybody know the song and
I don't, I be mad.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Too mad, I'm busy.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
But see the same thing when I went under water
and I realized, like all this life under here, it's
like I don't know ship. You know what I'm saying,
So it's like if all this ship going on, I've
been up here in this little box of the world
you realize and when you travel, you realize it's so
much shit going on that, don't you You realize how yourrelevant?
You mo, You're just irrelevant? Just leave, you know what
(21:27):
I'm saying to other people. So it makes you understand
where your place is in life, and it makes you
navigate through life a lot better, you know what I'm saying.
That's what it did for me. Put things in perspective
as far as where I'm at in the world and
where I'm at who I am mentally, and so I
can adjust myself and I look at the world like
like god, damn. You know how you're on the plane
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and you can see this, you can see shit better.
That's how That's how I look at word. I can
see shit better, so I can navigate through shit. You
I can say, nah, I don't go that way because
I see what's going on for I'm gonna go this
guy damn with It makes it a.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
Lot easier birds I view type ship? What else? What? What?
What did you start when you start locking your locking
your dread?
Speaker 2 (22:13):
I started with like twenty No, I started over three times.
So this is my third set right here.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
Yo, you cut them off while you keep cutting them
off this twelve your run on these?
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Why you keep cutting them? Why did you cut them?
Speaker 2 (22:31):
My hair it holds some I wouldn't cut him again now,
but now it's strength. Yeah, it's I lean on these,
like my everything is in this. So it's just real
personal to me. So every time I start over, it
was like on something. Everything was just toxic, toxic in
my body at the time. I don't I don't feel
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like doing this. I don't want to do this. I
need to do you know. It was just your hair
holds a lot of weight on you, you know it does.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
My ship was heavy that she was giving me headaches. Yes,
my ship was thick, my head thick. So I had
to cut my shirt off. My she was she was
a motherfucker.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
But all of them. This is the best set. That's
the best set because it's still on you shut up.
It's a bit set. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
So let's talk about your love life. What's going on
in your love life, how you doing and the love life.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
I'm doing good in my love life.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
You got family, you got JITs, you got it, family, kids,
So a lot of that, a lot of that, take
a lot of JITs.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
No, seriously, I have a wife we've been married for
sixteen years.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
So you was married even before they made it paperwork.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Yeah, we went to California and got married, so been together.
She has a seven year old. Well when I met her,
she her daughter was seven. She's all twenty four now
twenty three now, yeah, raised one and she's in college. Yeah,
thank god. So you know she's just like me. She
she took after me. She she wanted to do everything
I wanted to do. I wanted to go to college.
I never went.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
So she just followed.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
You break all the stereotypes that they say with with
gay's raising kids.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
Oh yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
She didn't have no problems growing up in school, not
at all. She didn't get picked on. She wanted the
one that had to sit in the back of the
class type sh a. You know, so.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
I got two mamash. Is she having the male figures
in her life?
Speaker 3 (24:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Actually she had with three brothers. She has three brothers
from a dad side.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
She got some brothers, so she's good. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
They all gay too, for real, you know what I'm saying.
So it's like, yeah, but they're still guys. You think,
you think, you you think a lot of is it
more born? Because I believe people can be born gay
is believing that ship.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
You don't believe you be born gay? You know, I
don't think so you think so.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
I just it's it's what you want to do. It
ain't because you gotta.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
Like it.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
But when you said, you said when you first day,
the nigga is like this nigga to.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
To too hard. Yeah, so maybe you just was attracted
to women.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Okay, if you want to say that. But I don't
just think you're just born gay. I don't think you was.
I don't think that.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
But so you think you it's a choice. It's a choice.
You know. It's so funny. Most gays say they born
get you.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
One of the first ones I heard to say, now
you it's a choice.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
You think it's a choice if you don't try.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
But one time.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
Is I think all women gay me too. I think
all of them curious. They want to know what's going on.
You know, I've been telling niggas all the times, I
ain't worry about your niggas, don't about the don't worry
about the gay girls, because they the one can take
my bitch. It's the niggas. Yeah, ain't shit, I ain't. Yeah,
I wish you would. But the girls, I can't compete
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because y'all know them. Y'all know them. I heard how
she said. I heard how she said it because you
got to be into them. You have to if you
dated somebody, but the old I get. I know them how,
y'all because I learned from ya. I learned from it.
I tell you all the time. Like I didn't want
to say bull day, but like I learned from bull days.
He told me how he pussing all this shit.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
Stay woke. You know what I'm saying. I learned.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
I know I peep. I learned if you can't beat them,
joining them. So I was like, I ain't finna God
damn fighters, they gonna teach me gay. But y'all, y
I don't be worried about them niggas, but the girls,
the other ones you gotta watch out for. So you
you been with your.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
Girl for how long?
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Sixteen years?
Speaker 3 (26:24):
What you think the key to keeping at that loan? Loid?
Speaker 2 (26:27):
To communication?
Speaker 3 (26:28):
Communication? Community? How you keep it fun.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
Anyway? Ah? Okay? I mean, like I told you before,
travel is my thing. We just we travel, travel, we communicate.
We at date night. I still try to data. I'm saying,
you know, even all the years, I still get to
know it every day today she don't like this tomorrow
you do?
Speaker 1 (26:52):
You know, give me some advice because I told you
my old lady gay. Give me some advice that you
think that I that can help me that I I
don't know about.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
If you got it, I would definitely be interested in
what she's interested in. Show some interest.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
She interested in me, though, But what is it about you?
They just she like to cook, so I try to
like I'm and that's the thing I don't. I'm not
an eater like that. So but I whatever she want
to cook, I love to cook and ship.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
Like she's a foodie. She is, but she ain't.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
She just like to cook like I think she likes
to serve, if you know what I'm saying. So so
what you think? And she like a real nigga though
she done got shot before too, like I got a
real submissive. She's submissive, but she ain't submissive like she
she like a tough cookie like a motherfucker. But you
know how animal is like like everybody can't train a lion,
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but the one that can, they bow down. That's what
she is. If you give what I'm saying, you know
what I'm talking about, what you think about them? You
gotta give me advice.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Man, you that one. I mean, she already doing what
you like.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
Yeah, but I want to keep it like that. Let's
try to cook. That's good. Yeah, that's They ride with me.
I sit in the car.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Nah, you can't sit in the car. They ride with
me right quick? You do the driving drive.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
I do all that. But I'm saying when we get there,
I don't like to go ahead.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
No, you're gonna have your No, you need you gotta
do that. You gotta go in.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
That's what they want to do.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
This stuff with me. We girl.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
You know he puts the car up. You know it's
that's that's time. That's romantic. You know what I'm saying
is it's deeper than that.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
You know. Yeah, you're right.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
I try to do ship like that. I do simple stuff.
I do simple stuff like whatever, whatever, I see what
she needs. But sometimes it's hard because when you're in
a situation where I'm pretty sure you're gonna take care
a lot of motherfuckers too, But once you take care
of them, it's hard for them to be because now
it's like, all right, be happy.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
And that's where they get. I said, you just you
took a drink for that one ship.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
So it's like that's when you gotta find say, all right,
how can I keep her occupy not just keep an
occupyed away from because I like her to be with me,
but I like her to have her.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
Own happiness outside of me.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Yeah, but when she's with you, you got to give
her that happiness.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
I do, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
But I want to do something, but I want to
I'm saying, I want her to find happiness with what
she want to do.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
You get what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
She want to cook. You just told me she want
to cook. She want to cater to you.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
Yeah, you're right, I'm gonna do that. I appreciate that.
Appreciate you. I appreciate you. Man.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Keep doing your ship. Tell them tell them where to come.
Pull up on you to come get some of that
turkey that smokes that smoked turkey.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
For nine to six Highway eighty five, Riverdale, Georgia.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
Come on, best turkey legs around, come on talk talk
talk talk.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
He called, like, hey, that rice with the with the
turkey crumbles in it. The nigga said crumbles. Since come on, listen,
Like I told you, you know what I mean. I'm like,
all right, send them babies. He somebody the pork and beans.
I said, no, it's Turkey based. Everything in here Turkey,
Oh yeah, because he Musslim. Alrighty, no turkey on the loose.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
Goddam you need to leave that alone.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
Me.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
But I love you man. We got this bitch.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
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On Purpose with Jay Shetty
I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!
Crime Junkie
Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by audiochuck Media Company.
Ridiculous History
History is beautiful, brutal and, often, ridiculous. Join Ben Bowlin and Noel Brown as they dive into some of the weirdest stories from across the span of human civilization in Ridiculous History, a podcast by iHeartRadio.