CZM Rewind: Part Three: Lakota Resistance to the American Empire

In part three of this four-part episode, Margaret continues her conversation with Miriam about two centuries of resistance to American imperialism, from Crazy Horse to Leonard Peltier.

Original Air Date: 12.4.2023

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Cool Zone Media.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
Hello, and welcome to Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff.
It's another week, and it's another rerun because it's the
holidays and the editors get to have breaks, and so
do I sometimes, although I'll be working this whole week,
I don't know whatever life is like that. And more importantly,
this is an episode. It's a rerun. It's about Lakota Resistance,

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and I think you will like it. If it's the
first time you've heard it, you'll like it the first time.
And if it's the second time, I don't know, maybe
skip it, but maybe don't. Maybe it's a good thing
to remind yourself of I forget things all the time.
You're not going to be shocked to know that, not
at all. It's a good meme I saw this week
that was like having such a bad memory that you

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accidentally ascilate everyone. Anyway, here's the episode that wait, no,
Welcome to Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff?

Speaker 3 (01:00):
The podcast where Margaret turns into a bat.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
That's right, and then I had to unturn into a
bat just to bring you this here introduction about the podcast.
I'm your host, Margaret Kiljoy, and my guest today is
the same guest as last week because it's a continuation
of last week, and that means my guest is Miriam Hi.
How was your week so far?

Speaker 3 (01:25):
So good? Haven't heard any extensive histories of genocide in
at least a couple of days, so here I am.

Speaker 2 (01:33):
This one's far more a history of resistance to genocide.

Speaker 3 (01:36):
Oh, thank god, hell yeah, here for it.

Speaker 2 (01:39):
We got through. It's not going to be without bad stuff,
but there's a lot of I think this is one
of the most important stories that I've told in the show.
I wanted to like really get going with the show
before I talked about some of these things, and I've
been looking forward to talking about this one for a
long time. And I think this one is really good. Well,

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bad stuff happens, but it's really important, really interesting. There's
lots of cool people, they do really cool stuff.

Speaker 3 (02:06):
I'm I'm really excited to hear about it. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
Our producer is Sophie Hi, Sophie Hi, Margaret Hi, Miriam.

Speaker 3 (02:15):
Hi, Sophie.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
Our audio engineer is Ian and must say Hi Ian Hi,
Ian Hi Ian. Our music was made for us by Unwoman.
I went to Unwoman and said, give me something that
sounds sort of ironic. Compared to what we'll be talking about,
and unwoman was like, here you go, and now we
have a theme song. So this is part three of

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a four parter about Lakota resistance to the American Empire.
And one of the main reason, the main reason that
we want to talk about is that I want to
talk about a political prisoner who's still in prison named
lend Repeltier, and I felt like this amount of context
is necessary and useful when talking about his case. So

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here we're going to do it. The roots of the
American Indian Movement or AIM started in ways that I'll
be familiar to regular listeners of the podcast, which is
to say it started when some folks were like, how
come we never learn about our own history? And much
like many resistance movements, it started in jail. The organization

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itself didn't start in jail, but a lot of its
founders met and kind of toppled the first domino that
led to the American Indian Movement in jail. In nineteen
sixty two, in Stillwater State Prison in Minnesota, two ajibweymen,
Clyde Bellicourt and Eddie Benton Beni got together and started
what they called the first real Indian studies program in

(03:45):
the country. They organized forty six Indigenous prisoners in that jail,
and Miriam, you will be shocked to know that the
Indigenous people were and are vastly disproportionately represented in the
criminal justice system in the US, because I used.

Speaker 3 (04:02):
Up all my being shocked a while ago.

Speaker 2 (04:05):
This group that they started was called the American Indian
Folklore Group, and Clyde Bellicourt had a kind of typical
or maybe even almost archetypical upbringing as a young a
Jibwoy boy at the time he was born on the
res was forced into a Catholic school when then his
family fell victim to yet another kill the Indian save
the man style thing, the Indian Relocation Act of nineteen

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fifty six, which forced a ton of folks off of
reservations and into cities and terminated their tribal status as
part of the larger You know, there was a policy
that lasted for decades in the twentieth century called the
Indian Termination Policy.

Speaker 3 (04:46):
It's a nice and upfront name for a policy.

Speaker 2 (04:51):
Yeah, it's about as evil as it sounds. This was
a decades long policy of forced assimilation and ending tribal sovereignty,
what little you know was remaining or whatever.

Speaker 3 (04:59):
Right I also I like how right wing Americans are
always like, uh, cities, that's where the bad progressives live.
Real Americans live out in the country, you know, unless
you're dealing with Indigenous people, in which case all of
a sudden they're like, you know, where you need to
go to be a real American to assimilate properly. Is

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those cities we hate so much. As long as you
can fuck people over, really.

Speaker 2 (05:28):
And as long as you can ranch on their fucking land,
as long as you can do resource extraction on their
fucking land, as long as white people get to do it,
that's going to be a huge part of all of
this stuff that's coming up. And also the Indian Termination
Policy is sort of the big bad evil that we're
talking about this week, the thing that people are fighting
back against and actually successfully in terms of the cultural

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thing that was the Indian Termination Policy, and that said,
Indigenous people in North America have resisted genocide after genocide
and are still here and fuck yeah, fuck yeah, they're
still here.

Speaker 3 (06:03):
Fuck yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
So young Clyde, he's poor, miseducated, systemic, systemically oppressed, This
didn't help him with job prospects, and pretty soon he's
in prison for burglary and robbery. Another member of this
first group in jail was a man named Dennis Banks,
who's a little bit more remembered as a name leader.
Later he had been sent to a residential school and

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stripped of his language at five years old. This is
one of the infamous Indian boarding schools, which from which
he regularly ran away. He would just like get the
fuck out of there and go home, right, and then
they would come and get him again. When he was seventeen,
he joined the Air Force and he went to Japan
and he was like on the bases there when he
was ordered to shoot, shoot to kill Japanese protesters because

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there was this whole protest movement happening where locals and
leftists in Japan were mad as hell that the air
Force base was expanding and displacing local villagers. And shit, right,
because it's always the same fucking thing, it's always well, shit,
I'm just like learning about new atrocities.

Speaker 3 (07:06):
Did US Air Force people shoot to kill Japanese protesters
during these events?

Speaker 2 (07:13):
A ton were injured? I not. In my research of that,
I did not find them actually killing people. But and
so this is kind of a thing.

Speaker 3 (07:24):
I like, like, go a day without discovering like another
like historic murder by recent historic murder by the US
government like that, that would be cool.

Speaker 2 (07:36):
That will be about a thousand years in the future
where we only have the cliff notes of what's left
of America, have it.

Speaker 3 (07:43):
We're not running out of atrocities yet.

Speaker 2 (07:45):
Yeah. And basically there was this huge non violence civil
disobedience campaign that actually won. A thousand people were injured
non violently resisting and this led to the US dropping
its number of troops in Japan by forty percent, and
I believe stopped that particular air force expansion, air Force
base expansion.

Speaker 3 (08:06):
We're like very much still there though.

Speaker 2 (08:09):
Yeah, yeah, I know it's a dropped things. Yeah, it's
the starting of the scaling back. Yeah. So Dennis Banks
is like, fuck that shit fuck being told to go
do this, and the courage of Japanese peasants against US
imperialism was a major influence on him later too. So
he went a wall. He was dishonorably discharged back in

(08:29):
the States, and he gets caught for burglary and it's
actually it's mostly his statement that we have about that
they were told to shoot to kill. I have no
reason to disbelieve this, but there isn't a There isn't
evidence that that specifically happened in a large number or
anything like that. But I'm certain he got told to

(08:50):
do that. So all these folklore folks, they've started this
Indian Studies group in jail, they get out of jail
and they keep ordering. Bellacourt and some others tried starting
like a classic civil rights campaign, because it's the mid
sixties and it's like the thing to do right, and
they were focused on the rights of indigenous people had

(09:10):
been displaced into the cities. This didn't really work, according
to Bellacourt. He said later quote, I tried to work
within the system for four years, demanding a fair share
of it for my people, But all the money was
controlled by the churches and bureaucracies, and they weren't interested
in any programs that might have led towards real economic

(09:31):
independence for the Indians. Meanwhile, in nineteen sixty eight, a
bunch of folks sat down and they formed the CIA. Oh,
the Concerned Indian Americans. Yay, what you got me? You
faked me out? Yeah, yeah, I went, I went for it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (09:54):
No.

Speaker 2 (09:55):
One of their elders, a woman, was like, how about
we call it the American Indian Movement instead?

Speaker 3 (10:03):
Okay, but sorry. Fun fact, the Culinary Institute of America,
which is a like cooking school, a cooking school that
I have driven by like many times. It's a slightly
upstate New York, has existed for longer than the actual
like CIA.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
And so they're like, fuck that, this is our name.

Speaker 3 (10:21):
I think it would be so cool if they sued
the CIA, if just like a bunch of cooking nerds
were like, excuse me, we are the Culinary Institute of America.
Do you know how to make a goddamn soufle?

Speaker 2 (10:32):
No, you don't see it. You are disparaging our good name, exactly.

Speaker 3 (10:38):
I don't know shit about the Culinary Institute of America.
Maybe they suck, I don't know. They probably they overturned
any like any democratically elected governments.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
Though well see I was thinking that's probably what they
actually did do. And the CIA that we all talk
about is actually pretty much just been twiddling.

Speaker 3 (10:52):
Their thumbs, so they want you to think.

Speaker 2 (10:57):
In nineteen sixty eight, AIM was formed and the the
lesson here has listened to your elders. And this group
wasn't the rebirth of Indigenous resistance to the American Empire.
As far as I can tell, that has been going
on every year since fourteen ninety two.

Speaker 3 (11:13):
Right, it can't be a rebirth if it never died.

Speaker 2 (11:16):
Yeah, exactly like it ebbs and flows, absolutely, and there
is a new energy that AIM and the Red Power
movement that we're gonna talk about kind of brought into it.
AIM originally was focused on the urban indigenous population, but
it was inspired by the work of some other folks
that I hope I'll be covering at some point also,
such as the pully Up and Squally fishing rights battles

(11:37):
and Oregon and Washington that were happening. There are these
huge like fish ins right where people were like, you
can't take away our salmon fishing rights just because you
put up a bunch of fucking dams that are killing
the salmon. Like, right, that's a you problem. Get rid
of your fucking dams. We were here first anyway, not
that I'm bitter about. I spent a while on the

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Pacific Northwest as environmentalists, so I'm very aware of that fight.
Aim was also influenced by land protests by the hod
nashone in the Northeast and the growing Red Power movement
that was picking up on the on the West coast
inspired by the Black and they started Aims started doing
work very similar to what panthers were doing. They set

(12:20):
up street patrols to protect people from cops into film arrests.
And I want to know how they were filming arrests,
because this is nineteen sixty eight. The portable Lincoln. Like
the size of the cameras, Yeah, Like, are they shooting
on fucking sixteen millimeter film that they're hand cranking in
a bulex because the portable video recorder was only invented

(12:44):
one year earlier, in nineteen sixty seven. And so they
would go and they would film arrests, and they would
inform people of their rights and told them that they
could stay silent, and of course the police were like, well,
that's perfectly legal. We're going to totally let you get
away with doing that, or.

Speaker 3 (13:00):
That's what cops do.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
Bellicourt was beaten by cops at least thirty times. Jesus work, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (13:06):
That is so many times.

Speaker 2 (13:08):
Holy didn't fucking stop him good.

Speaker 3 (13:11):
Oh my god, I love him.

Speaker 2 (13:12):
Yeah. The Indian termination policy was starting to go away
by the end of the sixties, were just starting to
see a downturn. So some nonprofits and churches and government
agencies were actually supportive of AIM. In the beginning in
nineteen seventy, they set up survival schools. This is survival
schools like the Black Panther survival programs like the Survival

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of the People, not like throw you in the forest
with the knife. And these were alternatives for young Indigenous offenders.
Instead of going to reform school, you would be sent
to an AIM survival school. And this was approved of
by the judiciary of most of talking about the Midwest
at this point, and so they taught kids how to
handle white society without forgetting who they were and where

(13:56):
they came from and all that shit. And it was
like so it's like survival almost, like it's like how
to survive the white man's world without like assimilating.

Speaker 3 (14:04):
You know, Wow, I can't believe they got that approved
that they were like, yeah, allowed to do.

Speaker 2 (14:10):
That for a little while. We'll talk about why. The
government was like wait, we changed our mind.

Speaker 3 (14:15):
I mean, the judiciary is sort of amazingly has kind
of an amazing history of lack of oversight about like
what programs they will approve, sending true to so like true,
and that they do approve programs that are basically like, yeah,
you can like take children and like throw them into
a torture camp in the woods. I would fucking hope

(14:36):
they would also be like, yes, you can teach children
about resistance and identity and white supremacy.

Speaker 2 (14:45):
Yeah. Yeah, it's like they they managed to leverage a
weird kind of shitty loophole that was going on in
the legal system. Got to get something good through that
loophole for once.

Speaker 3 (14:56):
Yeah, As as we like established in the previous episode,
I am not a lawyer.

Speaker 2 (15:01):
I am his dad, right, Yes, absolutely, but getting.

Speaker 3 (15:05):
Good things through shitty loopholes is exactly what we should
do with the law.

Speaker 2 (15:10):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, And there's gonna be you will be
shocked to know that indigenous resistors have had some really
cool lawyers and we're gonna talk a little bit about
some of the stuff that they did later.

Speaker 3 (15:22):
Awesome.

Speaker 2 (15:23):
Yeah, and then at the end there's gonna be a
big reveal as to why you big reveal. Now you
already know the reveals. It's for the audience. Yeah, but
everyone else is to wait because that's at the end,
all right, But don't skip to the end. No, yeah,
don't do that, you would be I mean, it's not
that good a reveal. No, better stuff is coming along

(15:45):
the way, Yeah, much better. They're going to take over
so much shit, just so much shit, amazing, Like I
can't wait. They are absolutely the reigning champs of taking
over shit in a good way. Anyway. While they're willing
to work with the system here and there, they are
not quiet liberals. They open carry it protests, and soon
enough they adopted a symbol. They picked a flag. The

(16:09):
flag they picked was the American flag upside down, and
Dennis Banks says about that quote, some ex Navy guy
suggested it. White people protested, of course, and a lot
of our Indian people protested too. A lot of the
guys had been there, had been in the military, and
in some way they were still Americans, and it made

(16:30):
them uneasy to see the flag flown upside down. We
had to explain that this was the international distress signal
for people in trouble, and no one could deny that
Indians were in bad trouble and needed help. So that's
the American Indian movements getting its start. But then some
other shit starts happening over in the bay, the West
Coast Bay, the San Francisco Bay, specifically, a different group

(16:54):
of people had something else going on that's important to
the story, which is to say, there's more cool people
doing cool things. There's an island in San Francisco Bay.
It's called Alcatraz. You ever heard of Alcatraz?

Speaker 3 (17:05):
Heard of that one?

Speaker 2 (17:07):
Yeah, it was a prison for a while, perhaps most famously,
but I sure don't mind that what's going to happen
next is just about as famous, or should be. The
prison closed in nineteen sixty three. Some Indigenous folks got
together and were like, you know, I've been reading through
this treaty that's still technically on the books, the eighteen

(17:27):
sixty eight Fort Laramie Treaty that Margaret spent last week
talking about, and this is salvage land and we should
be able to buy it for forty seven cents an acre.
So a bunch of generous offer. Honestly, I know, I
think they even actually adjusted it to like to inflation,
and it was like, you know, still like we'll give

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you a thousand bucks for the island or whatever. You know,
fucking nonsense. So in nineteen sixty four, a bunch of
street theater activists folks tried to do just that, and
they went out out there and tried to claim it.
And there are these indigenous street theater activists folks. Okay, yeah,
and then they fled when they were threatened with felonies.
Five years later, the San Francisco Indian Center burned down

(18:13):
on October tenth.

Speaker 3 (18:15):
Fleeing when you're about to be subject to felonies is
a great strategy. Oh yeah, doing actions. A lot of
people feel like, I think you got to get arrested
for an action account. It fucking rules when you go
right up to the point where they're about to arrescue
and then you're like haha, bye.

Speaker 2 (18:31):
Yeah totally. Another thing that you should flee from is
not taking advantage of the sweet sweet deals offered by
whoever chose to give this podcast network money. Here's the
maths and we're back. So five years later, the San

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Francisco Indian Center burns down October tenth, nineteen sixty nine.
And this was a place that helped hook people up
with jobs and healthcare and legal aid and all that shit.
So people were like, well, we need a new one,
don't we. And there's that there's that island over there
isn't there There's some student activists with the Native American
Student Organization were like, fuck it, let's go. They got

(19:22):
a three masted yacht. This isn't why I had you on,
but there is a tall ship in this story.

Speaker 3 (19:27):
I do love a mast.

Speaker 2 (19:29):
Yeah, yeah, and there's three on here.

Speaker 3 (19:32):
Fantastic.

Speaker 2 (19:32):
It's called the Monte Cristo and they very fucking cool name.

Speaker 3 (19:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:37):
They basically pay the captain, and the captain's not going
to land on Alcatraz. They're just like, we'll pay you
to go buy it. So he goes by it, and
four folks, including people representing the Cherokee, the Inuit, and
the ho Chunk nations, jump overboard, swim out, and claim
the right claim the island by right of discovery.

Speaker 3 (19:57):
The coasts has been well established I know American history.
You're allowed.

Speaker 2 (20:02):
Yeah. The ghost guard dragged them off, so they were
they gave up, and nothing never happened. No, fourteen people
hired a fishing boat and then they went out to
the island. The Coastguard got them again this time I
think because someone in the movement made a deal or
whatever the fuck where they were like, oh, we're going
to negotiate or whatever. You know. Then November twentieth, nineteen

(20:26):
sixty nine, eighty nine Indigenous people and not just students
this time, but also some families and some other folks
weren't school. They set out. The coast Guard blocked some
of them, but they couldn't get all of them. Fourteen
people got passed and started an occupation of the island.
Hell yeah, third times the charm. The occupation lasted nineteen
months and peaked at four hundred people there was. Yeah,

(20:50):
I didn't know it was that big. That's so cool.
It's really fucking cool. That's like a town that is
a small town. Well, they had daycare and healthcare set
up awesome, and the coast Guard blockaded it, but allies
of all sorts snuck past them in canoes to bring
food to the occupiers.

Speaker 3 (21:08):
Hell yeah, and.

Speaker 2 (21:09):
They're Their demand was an American Indian cultural center on Thanksgiving,
an almost an almost absurdly reasonable demand. I know. I
think that one of the things that keep running across
on the show is people who are like actually revolutionaries
and down to take things really far often come in
up with like they're like, look, just like make it

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so we don't have to sleep in bunk beds and
we can go to the doctor. And people are like no,
and they're like, all right, fine, revolution what do you want?

Speaker 3 (21:40):
I mean, that's the thing, right. If the people you're
up against are going to deny you, like the fucking basics,
then it sort of seems like you have no choice
but to be like, fuck it, We're not dealing with
you anymore.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
Yeah. And then almost everything that people successfully win is
when they, you know, shoot for the stars and get
the moon or whatever. You know, right, you shoot for
the moon, you don't get anything. There's a cliche in
here that I'm not fully first in. So on Thanksgiving Day,
hundreds of supporters show up for the day to celebrate

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a future AIM member, John Trudell starts a pirate radio
station called Radio Free Alcatraz. The the actors Jane Fonda
and Marlon Brando visit. Of course they're gonna visit all this.

Speaker 3 (22:26):
They're gonna put in an appearance. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:29):
I actually I think that they do more than an appearance.
I think they're not like anyway, Well, we'll talk about that. No,
I think there, I think that.

Speaker 3 (22:37):
I think that in that in that era, there were
them and a couple other actors were actually like do
materially supporting. Yeah, that's why the FBI had Gene Seaberg
killed because she was buying guns for the black panthers.

Speaker 2 (22:51):
Oh Jesus, no, I didn't know about this.

Speaker 3 (22:54):
No future episode.

Speaker 2 (22:55):
Okay, Creden's Clearwater Revival what and donated a boat? Unexpected cameo.
So the main transportation by the end was the boat
the Clearwater.

Speaker 3 (23:10):
Oh, like the boat the Clearwater, like Pete Seeger's boat.

Speaker 2 (23:15):
I will take your word for it. I'm now out
of my element. I'm not a boat nowhere.

Speaker 3 (23:20):
There is a tall ship called a schooner called the
Clearwater that was started by I don't know if like
it was initially bought or set up, but Pete Seeger
was like involved in the beginning and operating of this boat.
It still sales the Hudson. It does education programs and
like science programs and music programs. It has more banjos

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per capita on that boat than any other tall ship
I've ever been on. And like you usually find a
banjo or two on tall ships. And it's the only
tall ship I've ever been on where they brew kombucha
in the engine room because they were a bunch of
fucking hippies.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
It's great, is the banjo thing? Why everyone moved away
from tall shipsky, it's fun to make fun of banjo's
As an accordionist, I gotta take I gotta get my
shots in when I can. You know it can't be.

Speaker 3 (24:06):
The same clear water though, because we're talking west coast,
east coast, and it is difficult to get out.

Speaker 2 (24:11):
There's no way to get from one boat from one
side of the other. No, I have no idea.

Speaker 3 (24:15):
It's a pain in the ass. You can do it.

Speaker 2 (24:17):
Yeah, I don't think this was a tall shop either.
I think this was like a boat with a motor.
But I don't know.

Speaker 3 (24:26):
You just accidentally made room for me to talk about
tall ships.

Speaker 2 (24:30):
Yeah, exactly, No, it's okay. The Black Panthers and the
brown Berets handled security to get food to the island,
and I got to read you the occupier's proclamation because
it goes so hard.

Speaker 3 (24:45):
Love a good proclamation. Let's hear it to.

Speaker 2 (24:47):
The great White Father and all his people. We the
Native Americans, reclaim the land known as Alcatraz Island in
the name of all American Indians by right of discovery.
We feel that this so called Alcatraz Island is more
than suitable for an Indi reservation as determined by the
white man's own standard. By this, we mean that the
place resembles most Indian reservations in that one it is

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isolated from modern facilities and without adequate means of transportation.
Two it has no fresh running water. Three it has
inadequate sanitation supplies. Four there are no oil or mineral rights.
Five there is no industry, so unemployment is very great.
Six there are no healthcare facilities. Seven the soil is

(25:29):
rocky and unproductive, and the land does not support game.
Eight there are no educational facilities. Nine the population has
always exceeded the land base. Ten the population has always
been held as prisoners and kept dependent upon others. Further,
it would be fitting and symbolic that ships from all
over the world entering the Golden Gate would first see
Indian land and thus be reminded of the true history

(25:51):
of this nation. This tiny island would be a symbol
of the great lands once ruled by free and noble Indians.

Speaker 3 (26:00):
Go so hard.

Speaker 2 (26:01):
Yeah, so good. They had a couple problems. The biggest
one was the Coast Guard. Another problem was white people,
specifically white allies, specifically hippies. For a while, white allies
were allowed to join the occupation and spend the night,
but pretty soon all the a political hippies were out
there like doing drugs and shit and fucking everything up,

(26:22):
and so they decided that only Indigenous folks could sleep there,
which seems fucking reasonable.

Speaker 3 (26:26):
So so so reasonable and such a good policy. Yeah,
I was at Occupy Wall Street.

Speaker 2 (26:32):
I yeah. In the end, internal conflict and repression worked
together and eventually their numbers dropped low enough that the
government just came in and arrested the people who remained.
But this is more. This is a year and a
fucking a half, you know.

Speaker 3 (26:49):
Wow. I didn't know as it went on that long either.

Speaker 2 (26:51):
In nineteen months. Wow, the occupation said a precedent and
really got shit going, and it shifted public opinion and
eventually was part of shifting government policy away from termination
and towards indigenous autonomy. It shifted so much that after
this Nixon had to come out and say that the
policy had shifted towards offering self determination, which is pretty

(27:13):
impressive when you get fucking Nixon to say something progressive.
You know, his pretend favorable opinion was going to revert later,
of course, and a ton of folks from the occupation
wound up AIM members Later after, you know, as things
really are getting going, a ton of spiritual leaders in

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the various nations supported AIM and the Red Power movement
more broadly, even though it had started in the cities.
So these kids who'd been stolen from their culture enforced
into cities were folding back together with the traditional folks
who were still on the reservations. Basically, one of the
first spiritual leaders to endorse the American Indian Movement was

(27:56):
Leonard crow Dog, the great grandson of crow Dog, the
guy who'd killed Spotted Tail for being a sellout in
last week's episodes. And there's going to be a lot
of like direct like, hey, this is the grand kid
of the person that we talked about last time.

Speaker 1 (28:12):
You know.

Speaker 3 (28:13):
Yeah, this goes to what you were saying before about
this not being a rebirth, yeah, but a continuity.

Speaker 2 (28:20):
Yeah. The middle ground position, the middle of the road position,
were people who supported the Bureau of Indian Affairs, and
this was disappearing as people. More and more people are
joining AIM and they're also joining the Indians of All Tribes,
which is the group that started with the Alcatraz occupation.
They started as that student group and then eventually they

(28:41):
were like, we're the Indians of All Tribes as well
as a There's another group that was picking up around
this time as well, called the United Native Americans, which
is a nonprofit that's still around today. And soon into
all of this stuff that's happening comes this week's main hero,
Leonard Peltier. Leonard Peltier was born on September twelfth, nineteen

(29:03):
forty four, in North Dakota. His family was migrant workers
who picked potatoes. Basically, it was like indigenous folks picked
the potatoes and folks were indigenous to Mexico picked the
beats in the area that lived in. Peltier describes his
lineage as sue Ajibwe and one to eighth French. He
grew up speaking English in a Jibwe. His father and

(29:27):
uncle fought the Nazis in World War Two. His uncle
died fighting fascism and his dad had his legs machine gunned.
When his parents separated, he was raised by his grandparents,
which was a fairly traditional way to be raised. He
spent a few years as a kid on a ranch
in the res. Then he was off to Butte, Montana,
where his family worked in a copper mine. He was

(29:48):
there for a little bit, but then white kids were
bullying him for being indigenous. There's a couple indigenous kids
and families at the copper mine, right, White kids were
like throwing rocks and shit at him and yelling racially.
And finally, after being pelted with rocks, he threw one
back and hit a kid in the head. And this
is going to be a really good symbolism moment. It's

(30:10):
almost too on the nose, but you know where he
hit the kid. Yeah, So the bully's mom, whose name
was probably Karen, drove over, Yeah, drove over and was like,
your son tried to kill my kid, and then started
yelling racist shit. But the women of Leonard's family drove

(30:34):
her away. They were like, Yeah, we're gonna beat the
shit out of you if you don't get the fuck
out of here.

Speaker 3 (30:38):
Nothing nothing like showing up to complain and immediately justifying
you know, like, yeah, totally, where I see where your
shitty kid gets it from, right, No wonder our kids
threw a rock back at him.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
Yeah, the violence started when the protesters threw the tear
gas canisters back at the police, you know exactly. And
so so Karen, whose name was definitely Karen, was going
to go to the authorities and get young Leonard arrested.
So the whole family up and moved that night to
a tiny rank.

Speaker 3 (31:10):
Holy shit.

Speaker 2 (31:10):
Yeah, the women and the kids left first. The men
stuck around to like pick up paychecks the next day,
and then got on the road, because that's the that's
what you got to do when your kid fights back
against racism.

Speaker 3 (31:25):
You know. Yeah, and like that's the threat level you're
dealing with, especially like if you're trying to keep your
family together.

Speaker 2 (31:32):
Yeah, you know. And so they go to their grandfather's ranch, where,
especially once the grandfather dies, Leonard is out hunting rabbits
with a sling shot, or the family is no meat,
you know, it's like, oh, no, you better go kill
a rabbit, which is really hard to do with a slingshot.
He writes about this a bit. Yeah, I bet you're like,
I wish I had a twenty two, but I didn't
have a fucking twenty two, you know. Then, and he's

(31:54):
like eight or nine. Right when he's eight or nine,
the government came and fucking stole him off to an
Indian sco wapetan Indian school. The kids heads were shaved.
Long hair is a cultural indicator of indigeneity and like
a very important like part of the traditional stuff that
we'll be talking about. It's gonna come up a bunch.
And they were powdered with DDT too, you know, because

(32:15):
they're terrible, dirty kids or whatever, you know. And he's
stuck there for a year before his mother gets the
money together to come get him out. And he's like
eleven at this point or so him and him and
some other kids steal some gas from an army reserve
so the houses don't run out of fuel. They're like us,
storm's coming, and they're like, oh, we don't have any

(32:36):
fucking gas. We're gonna run out of fuel. We're gonna
be screwed. And so the eleven year old goes and
steals some gas from the like army. Right, he's caught.
He spends two weeks in jail and then he's sent
off again, this time to live with his father on
Turtle Mountain Reservation in North Dakota, where everyone is fucking starving.

(32:57):
He used to go to community meetings just because there
was sometimes food, where like everyone would like pot luck
and you know, bring together what they had, you know.
And when he was fourteen or so, he had this
moment that changed his life. He saw an elder, a
Gway woman basically say why are there no more warriors
among our men? If there was, why did they not

(33:17):
stand up and fight for their starving children? And he
made a vow that he would help his people for
the rest of his life, and he has. He's never
broken that vow. It's been a long time since. Then,
in nineteen fifty eight, he's a young teen, he goes
to witness an illegal sun dance which was held secretly

(33:38):
at night in a teepee and the cops were afraid
to bust it up because there's a lot of people
and they were like adults, you know. So they arrested
the kids outside because they're cowards.

Speaker 3 (33:49):
Because they're because cops.

Speaker 2 (33:51):
Are brave, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3 (33:54):
As they are constantly telling us.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
Yeah, And so they arrest Leonard for being drunk even
though he wasn't drunk. And this is still during the policy.
The period of termination that we're talking about, right is
nineteen late nineteen fifties, the BIA would announce literal policies
like no food for those who are resisting termination.

Speaker 3 (34:16):
Like it's like fuck, Like it's not fucking subtle, like
like these days it is. It is considered fashionable to
at least pretend to not be evil. Yeah, Like you're
not supposed to just be like, oh, this is the
Department of Starving Children.

Speaker 2 (34:35):
Yeah, totally. Yeah. And then people are like as an
adjective or a verb, and you're like, it's a verb.
We will starve them the Department to Starve Children. Yeah, yeah,
don't worry. We have like a we have a whole
budget set aside for implements to.

Speaker 3 (34:54):
Hit them with. Like why are you like, like, you
come on, guys, you gotta at least pretend to be
not evil. Yeah, although I don't know, it's kind of great.
You know, it's kind of preferable, I guess, to be
openly evil than sneaky.

Speaker 2 (35:08):
Yeah. I mean, like, you know, it's half a dozen
of one, you know. So he's fourteen years old, and
he moves out west after his mother, who's out there
doing migrant labor, to get out of where he is.
At seventeen, he tries to join the Marines to go
fight in Vietnam, but he's rejected for medical reasons because

(35:29):
his jaw was all fucked up from a bunch of
fights he'd been in and hadn't been able to get
medical care for. At twenty, he's living in Seattle, and
he's not political at this point, right, but he's trying
to do his best by people. He actually is political,
it just calls himself whatever anyway.

Speaker 3 (35:46):
By people can be pretty political.

Speaker 2 (35:48):
Oh he's fucking good at it. So he owns an
autobody shop in Seattle, and he uses the second floor
as a halfway house for indigenous folks recovering from alcoholism
or needed a place to go after getting out of jail.
He is twenty years old and he is running this
by himself. I mean there's other people work at the
auto shop and shit, right, but like everyone loves him.

(36:09):
He's a hard worker. He's kind and generous, and he's
at this point always looking to de escalate fights and
he's always about reminding people of who they are, you know.
In nineteen seventy, he gets involved in this first sort
of like protest thing. Leonard joins the American Indian Fort
Lawton Occupation Forces, which is a fucking go and hard

(36:32):
name for a activist group because they well, you'll be
shocked to know that the American Indian Fort Lawton Occupation
Forces were a group of American Indians who occupied Fort
Lawton Awesome in an Alcatraz style takeover of abandoned surplus
land around an abandoned fort called Fort Lawton. Veterans of

(36:54):
the Alcatraz Occupation came up to help them, and after
three weeks of occupation, the indigenous folks won the Daybreak
Star Cultural Center.

Speaker 3 (37:03):
Hell yeah, because this time they didn't let the white
hippies come along.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
Yeah, totally just got it and fucking got it done. They
did let Jane Fonda come Okay, well again she was
gonna she was.

Speaker 3 (37:14):
Required at most most things.

Speaker 2 (37:17):
No, there's at the time, and there's some quotes they
didn't make it into the script, but there's some quotes
from folks who were part of that occupation who were like, uh,
we kind of it kind of worked. Jane Fondo is
a big part of it working, you know, like the
star power being used to draw attention, Like, yeah, Jane
Fonda didn't do it, The Indigenous people did it. But
like she she opened some doors. And this was not

(37:42):
a nonviolent occupation. This was months of breaking into the fort, arrests,
fighting riot cops, and just doing it all over again,
all alongside court maneuvers to claim the land. When Leonard
was arrested alongside thirteen others, all of them were beaten
in custody, and then they like were letting him go
and he was like, I'm not fucking leaving until everyone leaves.

(38:05):
And then like it was his idea he spread that
they did jail solidarity. Basically they were like, well, we
are not leaving until everyone leaves, and they were all released.

Speaker 3 (38:14):
Yeah, I mean when people are getting beaten in custody,
it's not a good idea to like let people just disappear.

Speaker 2 (38:20):
Yeah, anyone who's listening, you should look into jail solidarity.
It is sometimes effective. I have used it successfully twice
where you I only recommend doing this if you plan it,
but it involves refusing to cooperate once you are arrested
in a mass arrest type situation in order to prevent

(38:42):
people from being singled out and like give an escalated
charges and things like that. Don't do it based on
that one sentence description. Do your own reasons. Talk to
your lawyer, yeah, Miriam, your lawyer.

Speaker 3 (38:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:56):
No, dad, oh right, don't talk to your dad about it.
You can talk to Mirror. No, don't actually no, don't
talk about crime with anyone that you're planning that. Don't
talk about No. None of you have ever done crime
and never will. No, don't do crime. It's bad, immoral,
except all the crimes that I'm talking about that are cool. Yeah,
all right. So after this particular fight was one only

(39:19):
through peaceful law abidingness, despite what I just said, he
wound up in Denver and he joined AIM, all the
while continuing to do migrant labor, right because he's still
got to eat, you know, he quits drinking. At this point,
there's a growing sense of seriousness in the movement and
a growing sense of discipline. There's actually already some divisions
within AIM between people who wanted national leadership and those

(39:42):
who wanted regional autonomy and people who are like more
into not drinking, and people are into drinking and discipline,
and I'm I'll talk about a little bit about that,
but we'll get to that later, but it's not gonna
be the main focus. And for a while at least,
they refuse to let that split them, and people who
would like lose votes would just stick it out with

(40:02):
the main group. And they managed to do all of
their most amazing shit after they already had had these
fairly large disagreements, And I think that's fucking.

Speaker 3 (40:11):
Co Yeah, being able to still work with people with
whom you have significant disagreement is like pretty crucial.

Speaker 2 (40:22):
Yea's the only way I've even gets done. Yeah, literally, Like, yeah,
white vigilanti groups are up being anti indigenous violence everywhere
as folks start organizing more and more. One of the
leaders of the Alcatraz occupation was a peaceful mohawk activist
named Richard Oaks who had helped set up indigenous education

(40:44):
everywhere he went. When he was thirty, he was murdered
by a white guy named Michael Morgan, who shot the
unarmed man, claimed self defense and got away with it.
And of course there's just generic racist violence that they're
all dealing with too. But before they can deal with that,
do you know, what else they have to deal with, Miriam,

(41:05):
is this a fucking ad plug? They have to deal
with pressing the skip button like three four times until
they hear the bumper music come back on.

Speaker 3 (41:13):
Wow. Yeah, that's a lot to deal with. I think
all your listeners can deal with that, though.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
I hope so, except sometimes you're like listening.

Speaker 3 (41:22):
If you're driving or something.

Speaker 2 (41:23):
Yeah, Like they think you have to controls aren't really. Yeah,
Like like for me, it's like when I'm like doing
like woodworking or something, and I'm like, ah, I might,
or like there's a chainsaw in my hands, I can't.
I'm just trying out my butch points here. I'm exaggerating.

Speaker 3 (41:37):
You understand suffering?

Speaker 2 (41:38):
Yeah, exactly. God. Anyway, here's some ads, and we're back
in nineteen seventy two, the American Indian Movement won the
respect of the traditionalists who lived on the reservations and
in particular on Pine Ridge. There's already some folks who
were starting to respect them. But there's one thing that
they did that really cemented this. A man named Raymond

(42:03):
Yellow Thunder was treated badly enough that I won't go
into details. He was beaten and stripped and paraded around
in front of a white crowd in Nebraska, just across
the border from Pine Ridge in South Dakota. And he
died from his wounds the next morning.

Speaker 3 (42:18):
Yeah, so that like, like he was lynched, Like, that's
it less, I meanategorizing.

Speaker 2 (42:25):
It that way, well, okay, I mean if you're taking
lynches like taken from custody, then no, right, no, But
he suffered that way, he suffered racial abuse. It's unclear
whether they were like he was in a racist attempt,
in a racist attack. Yeah, I think that is a
fair thing to say. Yeah, he died from his wounds
the next morning. The two white dudes, the brothers, Uh

(42:47):
brothers are the last named Hair. They were like the
main people who did this, right, They were arrested but
released without bail, and everything was in place for them
to just get off unpunished. Yellow Thunder's family tried to
go to like the cops and shit, and then they
tried to go to BIA the Bureau of Indian Affairs.
No one was helping them, so they went to Aim.

(43:10):
Aim brought in a two hundred car caravan and forced
the FEDS to file actual charges against the Hairs and
for the chief of police to be fired. Like everyone
listening has like probably been around some like how hard
it is to get police to be held accountable for anything.

Speaker 1 (43:30):
You know.

Speaker 2 (43:32):
Yeah, AIM got the chief of police fired for this.
One of the main organizers for this protest was another
AIM leader, Russell Means, who's also famous for voice acting
in Pocahontas and playing a role in Natural Born Killers.
Also he did a ton of other activism, and there's
like lots of complicated political debate with Indiandigenous right movements

(43:53):
about blah blah blah blah blah. But he helped get
justice for Raymond. Yellow Thunder car caravans were clearly an
effective strategy, so they got themselves together to a really
fucking big one. Also, in nineteen seventy two, various indigenous
rights groups united and set off on the Trail of

(44:14):
Broken Treaties. And this was a cross country caravan of
cars that when it gathered and departed from Minneapolis, and
this is only about three quarters, there's like four, there's
four caravans from across the country. Right, three of them
gathered in Minneapolis and set out together, and one of
them did a symbolic thing from Oklahoma. Reverse of the
trailer tears and the one that departed from Minneapolis was

(44:38):
over four miles long. This caravan wow, and they drove
to DC. In this caravan. There were seven hundred folks
from two hundred different tribes and nations. Eight movements organized this.
Only AIM is remembered partly because they were spicy, partly
because of branding, and partly because of some lawsuits and

(44:58):
crimes that we're going to talk about later. That is
why AIM is remembered. Those just want to like shout
all the eight groups out there was the American Indian Movement,
the National Indian Brotherhood came down from Canada, the Native
Americans Right Rights Fund, the National Indian Youth Council, the
National American Indian Council, the National Council Council on Indian Work,
National Indian Leadership Training, and the American Indian Committee on

(45:21):
Alcohol and Drug Abuse. These eight groups got together to
do this. Along the way, they stopped on reservations to
hold demonstrations and workshops and listening sessions to be like, hey,
when we go talk to the lawmakers, because they they
promised they'd meet with us, what should we say, like,
what's going on? You know? Which is an important thing
that activists need to stay good at listening sessions.

Speaker 3 (45:45):
Oh, listening to people. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:46):
Yeah. They timed this caravan to reach DC the week
before the nineteen seventy two election. Their goal was to
show up and present Nixon with a twenty point list
of demands that they had put together. And these demands
are shit, like give us back the right to negotiate
with the US as nations, that's the big one. It
put together a committee to investigate all the broken treaties,

(46:08):
replace the BIA with an Office of Federal Indian Relations
and Community Reconstruction, and the termination acts. Give us some
of the land back. They wanted a one hundred and
ten million acres out of the two point four to
three billion that is the US. This is roughly twice
the acreage of all current reservations. This is the kind

(46:28):
of stuff they were asking for. Later and like almost
absurdly reasonable.

Speaker 1 (46:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (46:34):
Later, this document formed the basis of the two thousand
and seven UN Declaration of Rights of Indigenous People. Nixon
didn't bother to meet with them. And this is going
to shock you again. Get ready to get ready to
get shocked.

Speaker 3 (46:49):
Embracing myself.

Speaker 2 (46:50):
Yeah, the government went back on all its promises. If
meetings was various officials the Department of the Interior, Labor
and Commerce all can't on them at the last minute
without reason.

Speaker 3 (47:03):
Wait are you, Margaret? Are you telling me that the
US government broke promises to Indigenous people?

Speaker 2 (47:10):
I know, I know that's clearly only happened a thousand
years ago. The National Park Service denied them the right
to gather at Arlington Ridge Park, and the government forbade
the BIA from helping them out with housing and shit,
even though usually when delegations of tribes and nations would
come to DC, the BIA was in charge of like

(47:30):
finding everyone housing and shit like that, and they like
did they were like, Oh, there's like this church that's
literally full of rats. Where I guess your elders could sleep.
I don't know. And it's interesting because the I think
the head of the BIA didn't put this in the
script that I think the head of the BIA was
actually like was an Indigenous person and was like wanted
to be supportive and was just like not allowed, you know.

(47:52):
So the organizers were like, all right, fuck it, We're
going to sit in the BIA until our elders have
a place to sleep. Right, that's their fuck can demand again.

Speaker 3 (48:00):
Right, They're like, yeah, don't put our elders in a
rat church.

Speaker 2 (48:05):
Yeah, exactly, like rat churches for rats and rat friends.
That's it.

Speaker 3 (48:10):
Yeah, you know, the rats, the Rat priests, the whole
Rat congregation, Rat nuns, yeah, all of those guys.

Speaker 2 (48:16):
Yeah, they can hang out of Rat But this was
not any of the people who were there. So right,
So they decided to sit in at the BIA building.
More than a thousand people participated. The cops tried to
evict them violently, so people rioted, drove off, the police
barricaded the doors. They put up a banner that said

(48:36):
Native American Embassy and took over the Beerhouve Indian Affairs.
Hell yeah, they are the fucking raining champs of taking
shit over in good ways.

Speaker 3 (48:46):
They're really good at it.

Speaker 2 (48:47):
Yeah, yeah, they all. So they spent a week in
the building, and they spent that week combing through records
that proved just how shitty that they'd been treated.

Speaker 3 (48:58):
Right, oh shit, because they are locked in there with
all the records. Yeah, oh my god.

Speaker 2 (49:04):
All the while they're defending the place with molotovs and
the press ate it up. But they ate it up
in the bad way where they were like yeah, they
were like, oh no, these like bad people. They like
broke some furniture and they spray painted, and this action
is what cements AIM's reputation as the bad kids. They

(49:25):
are the vandals. Never mind that the cops actually did
most of the damage to the building during all their
various attacks and stuff.

Speaker 3 (49:31):
You know, also like most government buildings could use a
little spray paint and the little broken stuff like oh yeah,
this is what I hate like when people acted like
the bad thing about the January sixth riders was that
they like broke things in the Capitol. It's like that's fine,
you know, it is the fascist stuff in the capital
needs to be broken. The bad thing is it was

(49:51):
fascists doing it to promote fascism. Fascists could hold a
fucking bake sale to promote fascism and it would be
like fuck you and your goddamn brownies. Like the issue
is is promoting fascism, not breaking Pelosi's desk.

Speaker 2 (50:06):
Fuck Pelosi's desk. Yeah, oh absolutely, And so the news
runs with all these like look how ungrateful these people
are type stories and lots of things that are wearing
more racist.

Speaker 3 (50:17):
People only say ungrateful when they have done absolutely fucking
nothing for the people.

Speaker 2 (50:22):
They're calling ungrateful. Yeah, totally. And so at this point
the FBI decides they were all communists and enemy of
the state's enemies of the state, which is like, not true,
but I mean it's not the furthest but it's like whatever,
it's fun.

Speaker 3 (50:39):
Like. Also, the state was the enemy of them, I know,
exactly showing up being like, hi, we have a very
reasonable list of demands and the state is like getting
the rat church.

Speaker 2 (50:48):
Yeah, it's like what the fuck you? Yeah, And at
this Leonard Peltier is one of the two heads of
security frame he hadn't really volunteered. Never trust the kind
of person who wants to volunteer to be head of s.

Speaker 3 (51:01):
Was just gonna say I was just going to say, oh, wait,
he was head of security. That's that's good. But if
he didn't volunteer, then I trust him. I trust anybody
who doesn't volunteer to be head of security.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
Yeah. No, he he was volunteered. Basically, there was like
him and someone else where people were like, look, you
all keep a you keep a calm head in crisis.
You're in charge of security.

Speaker 3 (51:26):
Those are the two traits you want for a person
in charge of security, keeps a calm head in crisis.
Doesn't want that job.

Speaker 2 (51:32):
Yeah, totally. And so after this he gets called on
for security all the time, and that's kind of one
of his main roles within aim going forward. That and
fugitive and political prisoner. But you know, we're not there yet. Yeah.
In the end, the government gives in a little bit
and offers them immunity from prosecution as well as sixty

(51:54):
six five hundred dollars as travel expenses for folks to
get home. They also promised that they would set up
a task force to consider the twenty points. And everyone
points this as like, oh, they like really fucked up
by taking over that building. No one was even going
to give them that much as setting up a task

(52:14):
force to consider it until fucking building takeovers and molotovs
got involved.

Speaker 3 (52:21):
Yeah, it sounds like the first offer was nothing, yeah,
and then the post occupation offer was something yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:28):
Yeah. Shockingly, get ready to get shocked. The task force
rejected the twenty points. No one sick thing that happened
as a result of the trail of broken treaties is
that the Piscataway people, one of the longest colonized indigenous
peoples in North America. The folks who lived around what's

(52:48):
now DC put together the Piscataway Resurrection to bring back
cultural culture and history and memory as a result of this,
basically and finally received recognition as like existing in twenty twelve.
But so the government withdraws its financial support of AIM

(53:09):
survival schools at this point, right because of the bad kids.
I promised that would happen, and it puts them on
extremist lists and it starts fucking with them. The Panthers
are like winding down owing to the repression that they've faced.
So the eye is sore on kind of turns towards AIM.
Shortly after returning to Milwaukee from the takeover, Leonard Peltier

(53:31):
is framed up on attempted murder. Basically, he's hanging out
this diner and these two undercovers are like trying to
pick a fight with him, and he's like, what the
fuck and then they like pull a gun on him,
arrest him. He didn't know there were cops. They search him,
they find an old shitty bretta that like literally was
proven in court, like couldn't fire, and then they put

(53:52):
him in jail for five months for attempted murder before
he gets out on.

Speaker 3 (53:55):
Bail, attempted murder being near undercover cops.

Speaker 2 (54:00):
That's pretty much yeah, same thing, gun rights for everyone
except indigenous people and all other marginalized people. He spends
most of what's coming next in a jail cell, but
we are going to talk about the most hardcore of
their occupations, all the shit that comes next on Wednesday

(54:24):
instead of today. You're gonna have to wait, well, not Mariam.
Miriam must wait like five minutes while I go pee haha.
But everyone else is to wait till Wednesday because you're
not Miriam. That's actually the one advantage of the name Miriam.
You thought that Ian was the only one with a
special thing related to the name.

Speaker 3 (54:42):
That's true. The advantage of the name Miriam is you
get to hear things today instead of Wednesday. And this
is like, yeah, one in ten people you meet will
be like, oh I knew an old lady named Miriam once.

Speaker 2 (54:57):
It's like when I used to play accordion and people
will just stop me on the street to be like
my grandfather, and I'm like, uh huh, yep, and me
will you give me money? I need to eat food anyway?
Uh is the end of the episode until except for
the plugs, which is Miriam, What do you want to plug?

Speaker 3 (55:15):
What did I plug last time?

Speaker 2 (55:17):
Medical, land Back Aid.

Speaker 3 (55:18):
For Palestinians and land back Yeah, replug those. Replug those
landback dot org. Do that. I'm not online, you can't
find me, ha ha.

Speaker 2 (55:32):
And I'm gonna plug an essay that people who if
people are if white people in particular are thinking about
how they want to be allies of indigenous people in
all the direct action struggle that's happening for the environment.
That's cool. And I would recommend that you read an
essay that you can find online called Accomplices Not Allies,
and it talks about the problems with the ally industrial

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complex and the ways in which people what it actually
takes to be in solidarity with people. And I would
recommend reading it if that's the thing you want to do.

Speaker 3 (56:12):
I like that you give your listeners homework.

Speaker 2 (56:15):
Oh yeah, no, that's why everyone likes me. Is the
homework giver. That's a classically popular physician to be in
that rules.

Speaker 3 (56:25):
Give them homework, yeah, make them work for it.

Speaker 2 (56:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (56:28):
So if you got anything you want to plug, Oh,
listen to Hood Politics with prop He's had some really
awesome episodes lately.

Speaker 2 (56:34):
Elli. Yeah, that's been my cooking listening lately.

Speaker 1 (56:39):
That's a good show to listen to, like cook I.

Speaker 2 (56:41):
Know, all right, see you on Wednesday.

Speaker 3 (56:46):
Bye.

Speaker 1 (56:52):
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Speaker 3 (57:03):
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