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June 11, 2025 30 mins

Margaret continues telling you about the rise of neoliberalism and the rise of its opposition and about better ideas about how to globalize society. 

Sources:

Direct Action: an Ethnography, David Graeber
The Zapatista Experience, Jerome Baschet
https://www.piie.com/commentary/speeches-papers/did-washington-consensus-fail
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https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/zapatista-womens-revolutionary-law-as-it-is-lived-today/
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https://bigthink.com/thinking/classical-liberalism-explained/
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https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/ejercito-zapatista-de-liberacion-nacional-a-zapatista-response-to-the-ezln-is-not-anarchist

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/mexicos-zapatista-indigenous-rebel-movement-says-it-is-dissolving-its-autonomous-municipalities

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https://wagingnonviolence.org/2014/05/assassination-world-stands-solidarity-zapatistas/

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Cool Zone Media, Hello, and welcome to Cool People Did
Cool Stuff, your weekly reminder that wherever they are a
bad things doing by people, there are good people bad
fight those things. All of history is a give and take.
Sometimes it's hard to look at our society and history

(00:21):
and see how bad she is and be like, how
come we never win and make things great? But that
is selling ourselves short. Without the incredible work and sacrifice
of millions of people, we would just live in a
totalitarian hell world instead of you know, a complicated hell
world with moments of startling beauty. Anyway, I'm your host,

(00:41):
Margaret Kiljoy, and right now I'm doing a series about
the pretty successful fight against neoliberalism, starting with the Zapatistas,
the indigenous rebels in southern Mexico who have a bottom
up democratic structure and who use a pretty diverse set
of tactics in their fight for local autonomy and for
this of autonomous politics across the world. We're on part

(01:05):
four of that. Well, I guess we're in part four
of the neoliberalism thing. The part one was just what's neoliberalism?
But we're on part three of the Zapatistas. We've talked
about this Appatistas rise, and we've talked about their politics,
and now I want to talk about how they're structured
and some of the things that they've accomplished over the decades.
Before next week, we're going to take a detour into

(01:26):
another antecedent of the alter globalization movement, which is the
thing that smash neoliberalism. Neoliberalism still exists. We always think
of things in this block and white like winning losing way,
but there is no static win condition. Anyway, you're thinking
to yourself, Margaret, why haven't you introduced your producer or

(01:46):
your audio engineer, and you'd be thinking, right, I have
a producer. Her name is Sophie. I have an audio engineer.
Hi Eva. Everyone has to say hi to Eva. And
I also want to tell you that the music was
written forced by n women. But I also want to
say that once the Zapatistas took territory and declared it autonomous,

(02:09):
they just started running everything as they believe it should
be run through local assemblies and seeing their concept of
good government, which they use in opposition of the bad government,
which is the Mexican government that is oppressing them. But
they didn't keep their heads in the sand. They spent
most of the latter half of the nineties involved in
political campaigning trying to get the autonomy of indigenous groups

(02:33):
in the San Andreas of Kords enshrined into the Mexican constitution,
or at least to get the government to respect the
document that they'd already signed, right, which is that document
that was like, hey, respect indigenous autonomy that was signed
in nineteen ninety six, and the government was like, yeah,
we don't actually pay any attention to what we sign
if it's with indigenous people. I mentioned last time that

(02:56):
Mexico was ruled by one political party for most of
the twentieth century. It is the PRI, the Institutional Revolutionary Party.
This party was founded in nineteen twenty eight and then
it ruled as a one party state more or less
until the year two thousand and They had like this
thing where they would be like, oh, each president only

(03:17):
sits one term, but then each president would sort of
hand pick their successor. When I talked about government loyalists
who are harassing asapatistas, I'm talking about people associated with
or loyal to the PRI. It's hard to pigeonhole the
PRI with a specific ideology. Besides, they like being the

(03:37):
people in charge. It started off leftish and then it
went rightish, and it was them who did all the
neoliberal restructuring that we talked about. I would say that
their politics are more defined by like corruption and power
than any specific ideology. And then in the year two thousand,
the PRI lost a presidential election. They lost to a

(04:00):
right wing party, the National Action Party and a guy
named Vincente Fox. Yet despite this being the election of
a right wing guy, people were honestly kind of excited
because he had some big promises about respecting Indigenous rights.
But also he just wasn't the party who had been
killing them, because the PRI had been funding paramilitaries to

(04:23):
kill everyone, and so people were like, hooray, not the PRI.
Marcos wrote the outgoing president from the PRI and said,
you did everything you could to destroy us. All we
had to do was resist, because they outlasted those fuckers.
Fox agreed to meet with indigenous leaders and this Apatistas

(04:44):
toured the country and held a bunch of rallies and shit,
and then showed up in Mexico City in time for
the inauguration. It was finally going to happen. Indigenous rights
were going to wind up in the constitution. The Apatistas
were excited to become simply a civil political organization, and
then all three of the political parties in the Senate

(05:05):
of Mexico, including the Social Democrats, the most left wing party,
came together to be like, nah, we don't really want
to do that. We want to force indigenous assimilation instead.
So by two thousand and one, that dream of having
autonomy while fully at peace with the Mexican state was dead.
A leader named Cammodante Bruce Les declared on January first,

(05:29):
two thousand and three, quote, let us not wait around
for the bad government to give us permission. We should
organize ourselves like true rebels and not wait for someone
to give us permission to be autonomous. We govern ourselves
with or without the law. Then, by August of that year,
they declared the creation of five good Government Councils. They'd

(05:53):
been ruling themselves already for about a decade, but they
wanted to create a bit more of this formal structure
because they wanted the various regions to better redistribute resources
amongst each other. And crucially, according to the sixth Declaration
of the Lacandon Jungle, quote, we saw that the easy
len with its political military component, was involving itself in

(06:16):
decisions that belonged to the democratic authorities. So basically they
bolstered the civilian governmental structures so that the military leaders
can no longer participate in civilian government and to try
and create that pretty essential separation between military and civil leadership.

(06:37):
These good Government councils were in five regions that they
called caracolas, which is a word that sometimes means snail
or curl, but in this case it's actually referencing conch shells,
which traditionally were blown to some and aid from other communities.
They built their bottom up democracy based on three organizational tiers.

(06:59):
There's the community or village level, then the municipal level,
which coordinates dozens of villages, and then you have a
region which ties together several municipalities. There are assemblies at
every level, and people are elected to serve on these assemblies.
Despite the earlier version presented by Marcos in nineteen ninety
four where there were no term limits. You can go

(07:21):
back to part three and hear them talking about the
indigenous ways of doing things that they wanted to incorporate.
By the end of this system, the Good Government Council
system in twenty twenty three. I believe that people serve
two or three year terms and these can only be
served once, and your leadership position can be revoked at
any time by your constituency. Proposals will come from the

(07:44):
top level, the Council of Good Government, down to the
regional assembly. These are then sometimes passed along further down
to the community delegates who go around and consult people
in their area. Concerns and amendments and such are passed
along back up the chain, and new proposals are sent out.
This can happen several times with any given decision, with

(08:06):
ideas and thoughts going up and down the chain. They
put a lot of work into making sure that it
was you know, the people rule and the government obey
like the science say when you go into Zapatista territory.
And we're going to talk about how they revisited this
in twenty twenty three. But along the way they put

(08:27):
in a lot of safeguards. Being in politics is seen
as a responsibility without any afforded privileges or pay. You
can't nominate yourself for positions of leadership. Other people have
to pick you, and there are a lot of formal
checks and balances, like a commission that audits the various councils,
and there's the term limits and revocability. Basically, the appetizers

(08:53):
work very hard to de specialize the role of political leadership. Sometimes,
though especially in military matters, the government commands because it
needs to act quickly. They can only give commands that
they genuinely understand to be the will of the people.
So for the majority of the history of the Zapatistas,

(09:15):
that was the structure. But in twenty twenty three they
changed their system and restructured themselves again. Mainstream news is
more or less universally use this as an excuse to
claim that the Zapatista project is over, or that its
star has waned so dim that it doesn't light up
much at all anymore. I don't think that that's the
best way to look at this situation. Though the Zapatzas

(09:37):
have been it seems losing ground recently to the tide
of gang and cartel violence, especially along the border with Guatemala,
and the Zapatistas have become more isolated from the rest
of Mexican society. According to some sources, people have been
leaving the area. The Mexican state has sent troops to
the region, but rather than trying to stop the cartels

(09:58):
with these troops, well, according to a statement from the
Easy ln Quote, the only reason they are here is
to stem migration. That is the order they got from
the US government, and this is under the Biden administration.
It's worth pointing out. So the Zapatista has declared the
dissolution of their autonomous municipalities. This is not the abandonment

(10:20):
of autonomy, but its refinement, at least as far as
I can tell. I'm kind of looking at this with
rose tinted glasses, but they have made a lot of
statements around this very idea. The social centers they've built
with schools and health clinics remain open, but the regional
administrations have been dissolved. The good Government councils have been

(10:42):
replaced by the local autonomous governments. This isn't a fracturing,
but a decentralizing. There is still a three tier system
of decision making assemblies, but now more of the power
is invested at the local level because the larger structures
aren't permanent, but are instead called for by the local structures.

(11:02):
So basically you're like, oh, we need to coordinate this big,
so you call for the next level up. And then
if that level is like, oh, we need to call
this even bigger than you call for the highest level
of it. These three levels are the local autonomous government,
the collective of local autonomous governments, and the assemblies of
collectives of local autonomous government. They did this for two reasons. One,

(11:22):
I read that it allows them to better focus on
self defense against the cartels and stuff. I actually am
unsure the mechanism for how this helps them focus on
self defense. I don't know. Two, they realized that their
good government councils were becoming, as Subcommandante Moyses put it,
pure middle power was beginning to become more clearly invested

(11:45):
in the top instead of the bottom. Moyses said, quote,
the proposals from authorities did not go down as they
were to the people, nor do the opinions of the
people reach the authorities. As part of this shift that
they did in twenty twenty three structuring, they're also looking
to get even more radical with how they're handling property
in land. For the past few decades, land was either

(12:07):
owned individually or by families or was part of formalized
collective land projects. They want to start making more land
and actual commons that can be worked by Zapatistas and
non Zapatistas alike, basically being like, you know what, we're
going to go back to just complete non ownership of land.
Part of the reason for that is probably ideological, but

(12:29):
it was also a practical decision. Violent arguments over land
rights are a huge part of the incursions against Zapatista territory.
We talked about this last time that basically like the
Sapatista's like claimed by force an awful lot of indigenous
territory and took it back in declared it autonomous right,
and there have been a lot of conflict around land

(12:50):
rights and who owns land. And so they can say, look,
anyone can use this, including you, including us, They can
hopefully de escalate some of that tension. I don't know
how that's gone yet. Unfortunately, I've mostly just found lots
and lots of information about when they made this transition.
I haven't been able to find as much coming in
a year and a half two years later to see

(13:11):
how that's been going. But through various means they've ruled
themselves autonomously for decades, despite the political and military pressure
applied to them by the Mexican State, and it's honestly
just breathtaking how much success they've had. And if you
want to have a lot of success, if you buy

(13:31):
our goods and services, you will succeed at the very least.
And having bought goods and services and maybe that'll get
you used to success and successes will just start rolling in.
I can't promise that, but I can promise that, and
we're back. One of the main things that these local

(13:53):
governments and the bappatiste in military accomplished was keeping neoliberal
extractive projects out of the region. They stop mining and
shit like that. Recovering land from the capitalist state is
pretty much the fundamental idea of autonomy. They've also done
an admirable job improving the lives of people in the area.

(14:14):
Although the people in the area remain poor as fuck,
with a lot of issues around malnourishment and just general
like it sucks to be poor. The Zapatistas have refused
all government handouts. They are at war with the government,
after all, and their isolation has certainly led to problems
of poverty still, everything I've read leads me to believe
that people of the area saw their material lives improve

(14:36):
dramatically under their own autonomy. Zapatistas have set up health
clinics and schools everywhere. As of twenty twelve, it was,
to quote Raoul Zabyci, quote two hospitals, eighteen clinics, and
about eight hundred community health houses in the five regions,
with no less than five hundred health promoters trained under

(14:59):
the criteria A adopted by the Zapatistas. The community health
houses did basic medical care, and they also teach hygiene,
sexual health and safety, and sit like how to boil
water in all of that. Also, as of twenty twelve,
which is just the last numbers I've found, they've built
three hundred schools, just more schools than I've ever built.

(15:22):
The schools that they've built teach bilingually to keep people
from losing their indigenous languages. There are many in the area.
They teach actual indigenous history. That has been a race
for Mexican education. And you're not going to be surprised
to realize this. The pedagogical differences, it's not just that
they teach slightly different stuff. How they teach it is

(15:44):
fundamentally different. Zapatista pedagogy is designed to encourage autonomy and
free thinking. The children and the elders co developed their curriculum.
There are no grades, and the class advances only as
everyone in it has learned the topic. Bapatistas also build
worker cooperatives, where people who work collectively on a project

(16:04):
share in the decision making and the rewards. Why should
democracy stop at the doherty er job? And they're not
fully isolated from the economy of the world. They are
looking to undercut the coyotes, the middlemen who rip off
the producers, so they set up distribution cooperatives that supply
both Zapatista and non Zapatista stores. They also sell coffee

(16:26):
all over the world. As best as I understand, they
have a fairly strict no alcohol or hard drugs policy.
In Zapatista territory or at least several individual areas that
I have read about do and all told, they are
about three hundred thousand people, or about five percent of
the population of Chiapas living in these autonomous communities. The

(16:48):
most well known Zapatista town, the Zapatista city, is Oventic
which from nineteen ninety four to two thousand and four
went from a tiny rural community to an urban center
or a high school and a hospital. Even some folks
who don't support the Zapatistas in the area prefer going
to their hospitals because they won't be treated as racistly. Basically,

(17:10):
there's a lot of racism against indigenous people in Mexico,
and much like in the States, racism is applied in
medical situations very dramatically, and so a lot of people
are like, Yeah, I'm going to the Zapatista hospital because
it's going to be better. The medical system they're building
refuses to erase traditional knowledge. It mixes modalities from Western

(17:32):
medicine and indigenous medicine, what they call the two medicines.
The author Gloria Mignot's cited as Zapatista who told her quote,
this dream started when we realized that the knowledge of
our elders was being lost. They know how to cure
bones and sprains, they know how to use herbs, they
know how to oversee the delivery of babies, but their

(17:53):
knowledge was being lost with the use of medicines purchased
in the pharmacy. So he came to an agreement and
brought together all the men and women that know about
traditional healing. It was not easy to bring everyone together.
There were some twenty men and women, older people from
the communities who acted as teachers of traditional health. About
three hundred and fifty students signed up, most of them

(18:15):
Zapatista campagneros. Now the amount of midwives, bone setters and
herbalists in our communities has increased. And this is such
a fascinating story, like this could have been its own episodes.
You know, this method of saving traditional knowledge that was
done not kind of like institutionally, where they found twenty

(18:39):
healers out of there's three hundred thousand zapatistas, you know,
they found twenty of them and from that they have
been able to save this traditional knowledge in the modern world.
And I think that's cool. The folks who work directly
for Zapatista infrastructure do so without any sort of wage labor.

(19:00):
A teacher at a Zapatista school will just be directly
supported by the community with people meeting their needs. I've
read a couple different ways that this could happen. For example,
depending on the land arrangement in the area, like if
everyone kind of has like parcels and gross food and
to sustain themselves, which is a arrangement that I've seen
in traditional communities all over the world as I read history.

(19:22):
If that's what's going on in this given village, for example,
other people will work the teacher's parcel to grow food
on it for the teacher, or as another account put it,
the students bring the teacher a chicken as tuition. They
also built an activist training school in the Ricardo Floris
Mcgonn municipality together with Greek comrades, and there's like all

(19:43):
kinds of pedagogical stuff that they did there that ended
up influencing a lot of things, where they like set
the room up in a hexagon so that everyone can
see each other, and like, I don't know, it's just interesting.
And there's this like this back and forth internationally that
they talk about very consciously where they're like, we don't
want people to come here and like school us how
to do things, and we don't want people to just

(20:05):
come here and just learn from us, because we know everything.
They talk all the time about how they're like, no,
we want to share, we want to participate as equals.
In a global community from the bottom and the left,
and so some of what they've done, just some of
what they've done. In nineteen ninety four they threw a
National Democratic Convention. I think we talked about that a
little bit. By nineteen ninety six, with the San Andreas Talks,

(20:29):
they helped start the National Indigenous Convention. That same year
they also started the international talks that became the Ault
Globalization movement, which were called the Gatherings for Humanity against Neoliberalism,
the first of which was held in Chiapas. In two
thousand and one, they did the March of the Color
of the Earth, in which millions of supporters came out

(20:50):
and greeted as Apatista caravan touring the country for thirty
seven days. And this was done to support that indigenous
autonomy law that was going to end up included in
the constitution, ratified into the constitution. That's the word I
think that of course didn't happen. But while they were
doing this, while they were doing the march, they traveled
four thousand miles and through seventy seven events before speaking

(21:13):
to Congress and having all of the ruling parties left
and right reject indigenous autonomy, Marco said about this quote.
At this point, we concluded that the path of dialogue
with the Mexican political class was exhausted and we had
to find another path. And you know what path, the
Zapatistas probably didn't really go down. They probably didn't go

(21:36):
down the path of ads supported radio. But the thing
is is everyone does things differently in different regions for
different reasons, and we are an ad supported podcast. These
are the ads that support us, and we're back, okay,

(21:56):
So now that they're like bitter and turned off of
electoral politics for whole. On January first, two thousand and six,
they launched what was called the Other Campaign, and it
was basically a political campaign for no political candidate. It
wasn't a like don't vote campaign either. It was like,
we have to build an actual alternative while everyone else
is busy campaigning. Subcommadante Marcos, calling himself Candidate zero, traveled

(22:22):
the country, listening to people and hoping to unite a
new left movement from below. He met with indigenous leaders
and workers, and people who were marginalized in all kinds
of ways, like sex workers and youth and women and
students and the elderly. I think this is around the
time I first started really seeing the Zapatistas talk a
lot about trans writes. But that's just for my own memory.

(22:45):
And so Candidate zero wasn't running for office, but instead
looking to build from the bottom up to create a
quote common language to unite people across various struggles, all
of these different struggles that weren't necessarily talking to each other.
That was his point, especially people who an't necessarily represented
by big groups or whatever. This campaign was not met

(23:05):
with universal support. Some folks felt that it would pull
votes away from the Social Democratic candidate, the PRD candidate,
and the election. They're like, ah, why are you dividing
the vote by not even running another candidate. You can
tell by my tone of voice that I don't really
care about that particular concern. The Zapatista position was that, well,
the PRD had just rejected indigenous autonomy, doing what basically

(23:28):
all political parties do, which is drift to the right
once they have power. The Zapatista's also set up a
system called Escalita in which students from all over Mexico
and the world come and learn in Chiapas, and they've
continued to be met with lots of people attacking them.
In twenty fourteen, paramilitaries attacked them a lot. A compagnio

(23:51):
named Galliano was murdered on May second of that year.
I believe fifteen other people were injured in that attack,
and it seems very likely it was tart. The unarmed
Galliano refused to surrender and was shot three times and killed.
He was a school teacher, someone involved in the Escalite
the movement, and he wrote a lot in English about
that movement. The pair of militaries destroyed the school and

(24:14):
health clinic in the same attack, so it seems like
it was targeted. Those epetises believe it was a targeted assassination.
For nearly ten years. Subcommandante Marcos changed his name to
Subcommandante Galliano in honor of his fallen friend. The pair
of militaries weren't done and they came back in the
fall to attack more communities. They came into a collective

(24:37):
workplace with guns and fired into the air and burned
a Galliano lives poster. They killed a steer, basically trying
to run people off the land. Then they came back
and killed another steer, Then they killed a horse, and
they would just show up the rifles and chainsaws and
cut down trees and drive by and shoot into houses
and just you know, be uh, let's go with generally unpleasant.

(25:00):
In August of that year, the Zapatistas were building a
new collective workplace, like basically kind of building a new
village essentially, and the paramilitary showed up and yelled things like,
these weapons we use are from the government, and this
land is ours and does not belong to the fucking Zapatistas.
And it's worth pointing out this particular paramilitary group was

(25:20):
not local to the area. They destroyed the new village,
all nine houses of it, and stole all the stuff
in the new store they've built, and just like basically
robbed the place. The displaced people were given some money
by the Zapatistas and given new places to stay. The
news I could find about these attacks comes from shortly
after the attacks, so I can't tell you everything about

(25:42):
how that played out, But in general, the Eazyln as
a military force, agreed to follow the will of the people,
which was that they didn't want force met with force
and an escalation of violence. In twenty eighteen, the Zapatistas
returned to electoral politics. Briefly, they supported an indigenous but
non Zapatista woman as a presidential candidate, Maria de Jesos

(26:04):
Petrucio Martinez. She was with the National Indigenous Congress, running
as an independent. The National Indigenous Congress is mentioned as
like a thing that the Zappatitsa has helped form, but
is not a Zapatista thing. It's a larger Indigenous Congress.
So Maria was like, all right, I'm going to run
for fucking office. And in order to run for president

(26:26):
in Mexico, you need eight hundred and fifty thousand signatures
to get yourself onto the ballot. But those signatures have
to be verified in ways that prevent poor people from signing.
The digital signature had to be done with a phone
from a list of acceptable phones with like a certain
operating system and stuff, and even if people had those phones,
it would sometimes take hours for people in rural areas

(26:48):
to download the required software onto their phones in order
to sign. So she got two hundred and sixty seven
nine hundred and fifty three signatures, which wasn't an to
get her onto the ballot. And yeah, that's a bit
about the Zapatistas. In twenty twenty three, they reorganized again,

(27:08):
and time will tell what that means. Mainstream media refers
to how their star is waning, and certainly they are
dealing with fierce attacks. But on the activist signal loops
I'm on, I still get calls and pronouncements from them
about events they're organizing, about how they're working to bring
activists from below into the left, from across the globe
to listen to each other. Of all of the things

(27:31):
that stand out to me about the whole Zapatista project,
it's the attitude of listening together as peers and then
deciding together as peers that stands out to me. I
would argue that this is the attitude we need. I
tell people I'm an anarchist, and that's true, but it's
not that I'm loyal to anarchism as an ideology. Specifically,

(27:55):
what I believe in is this stuff about creating and
respecting diverse movements. Not diverse like some people are vanguardists
who want to tell everyone else what to do and
other people aren't, but diverse among people who actually respect diversity.
Diverse like different people with different backgrounds who desire different
things and have different methods of going about it. Political

(28:19):
pluralism isn't about accepting ideological bullies in our ranks, but
looking around and saying, all of us who believe that
the revolution comes from the bottom up, we need to
stand together and learn that compromise isn't a profanity and
to learn to respect our differences and see them as strengths.
I'm eternally grateful that the Zapatistas were the single largest

(28:42):
influence on radical politics and the movement that I came
up in. I think that if they collapse tomorrow, they'll
have already earned their places. Some of the coolest people
have ever lived, doing some of the coolest stuff that's
ever happened. But they won't collapse tomorrow. Their movement is
five hundred years old and it's still going. And next

(29:03):
week we're going to continue this series but cut over
to another part of the world and to another set
of tactics that have influenced the ault globalization movement and
talk to you. Then, I don't really anything to plug
to support the people who are trying to stop ice,
that's what I have to plug. And if you are
one of the people more directly, go read about how
to stay safe in crowd environments. Okay, I do have

(29:25):
something to plug. I would really recommend there's a bunch
of guides put out by a publisher called Crimethink. If
you go to crimethink dot com where crime thchi NC
dot com, you'll find a lot of resources and some
of them are called a Demonstrator's guide to and those
will have everything you could ever want to know about

(29:46):
police less lethal munitions and gas masks and goggles and
how police use batons, and how to form affinity groups
and all kinds of stuff that can be used to
stay safe and stay dangerous. Because ice isn't going to
smash itself, it has to be smashed for them anyway.

(30:07):
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