Part Two: The Japanese Anarchist Women Who Kept Trying to Kill Emperors

In part two of this week's episode, Margaret continues her conversation with comedian and podcast host Brodie Reed about Kaneko Fumiko and Kanno Suga, two Japanese anarchist women who did their best to end the lives of emperors and almost changed history.

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hello, Sophie. How are you today? Wow, that's how you're
starting with podcasts, Margaret, I am well, thank you so
much for asking. Thanks. I'm glad to hear Brodie, how
are you? Um? Yeah, I'm also going to call out
this niceness. What is this? I'm just kidding. I'm great.

(00:24):
How is the weather? I want to know? Right, it's great.
My hair is wet and I need to dry it,
so it's perfect, excellent, excellent. Closer to the heat Death
of the Universe. Yeah, yeah, that's why I like joke
about the heat definitely universe and I'm like, we're just
the heat Death of life fund Anyway, Um, this is

(00:46):
cool People Who Did Cool Stuff a podcast about people
who fight against bad things. We don't currently live in
a time with a lot of bad things, which is
why we have to look to history for our heroes.
And this really doesn't reflect about anything about the present.
We just yearned for the past. Yeah, exactly, exactly. Um.
So this is part two. I go back and listen

(01:08):
to part one or you'll lose some context. This is
part two of a two part series looking at some
Japanese women who liked bombs and disliked tyrants. Let's get
into it. On the very first episode of Cool People
Who Did Cool Stuff, I told the story about the
Haymarket affair. There is this labor uprising in Chicago that
left several anarchists martyred by the state. In that story
is the story of a young man, Louis Ling's, a

(01:29):
poor German immigrant who died at twenty three seven by
suicide in prison. He'd been imprisoned more or less for
the crime of being an anarchist, and his trial had
been this massive scandal that captivated the nation. He also
wouldn't have minded doing what he had been accused of doing.
He just probably didn't do it. So today I'm gonna
go thirty six years into the future from then six
thousand miles away across the Pacific, to tell the story

(01:52):
of Konko fukum As, a young Japanese woman who's another
anarchist who died by suicide in prison at the age
of twenty three m I to a massive scandalous trial
that captivated the nation. You said you didn't like spoilers,
but um, yeah, you kind of started with the most
exciting stuff. But that's okay. I mean, it'll be like
Colombo who done it. Well, she did. It was a suicide,

(02:15):
but yeah, yeah, totally. Well actually it's funny. Um well,
we'll get to it. It It was like kind of a
there's a lot of like maybe she maybe they did
this to her, maybe they killed her in jail. Um
And we'll get into that. But so Kindikofumiko was an anarchist,
but unlike most the rest of the Japanese movement, which
was concerned with labor organizing and social revolution and all
of that, she was a nihilist at the core of

(02:37):
it all. She she fought for the freedom of all people,
but she did it more out of a desire to
destroy the existent rather than specifically work on what to
replace it with. And her philosophy was more about celebrating
and embodying life by acting on desire, even if that
desire led to her own death. That was her Okay,
he did in this anarchists, Yeah exactly. Yeah. And I

(02:58):
want to start by reading a short bit of transcripts
near the end of her trial, because I think it
really frames her will. And this is quoted in a
book that's actually really good. Just bite the title of
the book. The book is called Treacherous Women. Of Imperial
Japan by Helene Bwen Raddicker. And and it's actually it's
like it's saying like treacherous women in a good way, right,

(03:19):
you know, like this episode might be called ungrateful women.
You know. So Judge name Fumicomico fumom Judge age. According
to you officials, it's twenty four, but I myself seemed
to recollect being twenty two. But speaking frankly, I don't

(03:40):
believe either. Whatever my age, it is no bearing on
the life I'm living now anyway. That's how I'm going
to answer when people ask me how old? Yeah, can
you play? Yes? I am yeah, sir whatever. Judge family

(04:00):
status Humico divine commoner rather than you know, divine emperor
or whatever. Judge occupation Umico, My occupation is the demolition
of what now exists, which I'm planning on putting on
maybe business cards, I'm not I'm not sure. Judge address Humico,
Tokyo prison. She's snarky, yeah, exactly. That's how we know

(04:27):
she's not lying about that. Okay. So she's born in
three Probably she was she was born out of wedlocks
or birth was never registered, which causes all the mess
figuring out like figuring out her age. You know, the
official records would say one thing blah blah blah, but
eventually both of her parents were like yes, three. Her

(04:49):
father was an abusive alcoholic from a Samurai family who
refused to marry her mother because he was a classics
little ship, a misogynist. Every morning he would drag out
the families thousand year genealogy scroll and be like we
were descended from royalty and make everyone bow to the scroll. Mhmm.
Her mother was a peasant. Dad didn't like that he

(05:11):
was dating a peasant. She wound up with the family
named Kinnico her mother's name, and then Japanese naming convention
places the family name before the given name, as I
understand it, so her given name is Fumico, and that's
what we're going to call her from here on out
rather than and so ever. Since the Meiji Restoration, people

(05:31):
had to be officially registered to do much of anything right,
because centralization will do that to you. Just funny, because
I actually like, like you were talking about earlier, like
overall the major restoration seemed like mostly do good ship
mm hmm. But I keep running across like some also
real bad ship that it. I mean, like any government
institution or whatever. It's of course bad from her perspective,

(05:55):
I don't want to live in it. But at the
same time, it was like, this is a period when
Japan was coming out of isolation, um really and or
this might have been also during some isolation as well too,
but like they were kind of falling behind technology wise,
and I think during this period they were only trading
with the Dutch, and they have like a very weird

(06:17):
friendly relationship with the Dutch. Okay, yeah, I'm like, I
don't know, I understand why people get fascinated by Japanese sister.
I mean it's the uniforms, I said. I think all
people really care about as the freaking close in the architecture. Yeah.
And and swords, yeah exactly, like if you know, Europe

(06:38):
didn't hold onto the swords as long and just not
as cool. Swords are cooler than guns, exactly. So for
the first years of the first nine years of her life,
uh is basically a non person and when she started
when she started school, she wasn't even registered in the classes.
She just was auditing the classes. And also her her

(06:58):
parents didn't have enough money to give her She was
supposed to like give a present to the teacher, but
she couldn't afford it, so that was like messing up
her ability to go to school. And then eventually she
was registered as her mom's sister. Like basically she was like,
I'm the daughter my grandparents or whatever, which is a
common work around for children of unmarried parents. She wanted
to learn how to read. Dad refused to teach her.

(07:20):
Mom didn't know how, and she was kind of one
step above an orphan. Her dad is this piece of
ship who drinks and hits everyone. He's too proud to
work most jobs because he's like from the samurai class
or whatever. He spends all of the family's money on
gambling in brothels, and then he leaves Fumico's mom for
Fumiko's mom's sister. Yeah, I know, I know he's gonna

(07:43):
come back with some hits later too. Fumo's mom not
much better. I started off being like I actually even
had written in the script on the first run through.
It was like, but I understand, she's a single mom.
It's really hard you know all of this stuff. And
then as I learned, as I learned more about her
later I'm like now, Fumika's mom wasn't much better. She
drifts around and is pretty much absent, and at one

(08:04):
point considers selling FuMO to a brothel. She's like eight
or nine at this point. One day, one of her
mom's boyfriends bound and gagged young Fumico and left her
hanging from a tree by the river. I maybe as
someone eventually found her and brought her home the a
family scavenged for trash in the street. She didn't have

(08:24):
a fucking good childhood, right. She's finally registered and becomes
a real person. This is a year after Suga has died,
just from context whatever, and her mom finally gets rid
of her successfully. She gets sent to Korea, which has
just been annexed by the Japanese Empire, to be raised
by her dad's mom, whose family was part of the
colonial administration and who made its money by renting farmers

(08:46):
back the land they had stolen from them in the
first place, and then loaning money to the Koreans that extortion.
It rates. She's a good way to get money if
all you care about it's getting money, m hm. And
so she goes to Korea to be raised by her
you know, grandparents, and her life is ship in Korea.
She's basically an unpaid made Her grandmother hates her, punishes

(09:07):
her constantly for the slightest infraction. Made it real clear
that she's unwanted. It's like fairy tale. It is. It's
it's messed up, Like you read a tale like Cinderella
and you think that it's just like a rare thing
that someone made up for a story, and it's actually,
oh yeah, this is actually extremely common back then. This
is this is most people's lives. Yeah, yeah, because like yeah,

(09:29):
you're like, you know, like, oh, okay, she's secretly a
rich kid, and I'm like, no, she goes from eating
trash on the street to being an unpaid made who's
yelled at every day. Yeah, and she she lives in
this fancy place with a family who tells strangers that
she's not related to them. They're like literally like, oh,
this is just a poor orphan that we picked up,
you know, because they don't want to admit. But and
she's forbidden from telling anyone the truth. She's also forbidden

(09:50):
from playing with the neighborhood kids because they're Korean. She's
forbidden from doing anything that might damage her fancy clothes.
So also when she goes to school, everyone picks on
her for being a rich kid. Right, she can't. She's
wearing nice clothes and can't get them dirty or she'll,
like you know, suffer. So at twelve, she contemplates suicide,
and she decides instead that she's going to take out

(10:12):
her anger on society, not herself. So she decides knowledge
is power, Right, I'm going to learn everything I can
and wield power against society, which is the most super
villain origin story. But I don't know whatever fun Yeah,
and and the only people who show her any any
kindness while she's in creative the Koreans themselves. And so

(10:36):
at this point, I probably gotta explain the Japanese colonization
of Korea, So let's do that. Yeah. So, so Japan
had been trying to conquer a career for this long
as time. Like. The first time they started was two
invasions in fift and they were beaten back largely by
guerilla armies called Righteous Armies, which were made up of

(10:57):
a mix of scholars and peasants and utist warrior monks
and ship There's got to be movies about this, and
I want to see them totally exist, and they beat
back the largest C invasion the world had ever seen.
At that point, three hundred thousand Japanese soldiers land in Korea.
It took until d Day for there to be a
larger CE invasion, and you know, obviously proportionate of population

(11:20):
um then and then, but they're beaten back. Around the
end of the twentieth century, they finally do successfully take
control of Korea. In eighteen seventy six, a treaty assigned
that ends Korea's status as a protector of China and
passes them off to Japan instead, and Japanese businesses start
to open. By nineteen o five, they're under the sphere

(11:41):
of Japanese influence. By ten they're officially part of the
Japanese Empire. And obviously this doesn't go down without a fight,
but it's a fight that Koreans lose MHM. And And
one of the reasons that it worked this time, right
is because instead of just showing up with an army,
they first showed up with businesses. They first showed up
with economic interests. They first showed up and did you

(12:01):
know something that's very familiar to people in the twenty
one century, like economic colonialism. Yeah, they proceed to do
colonial ship. They tear down huge chunks of the Korean
Royal Palace and turn the rest into a tourist attraction, like,
look at these people we conquered. Yeah, a hundred and
seventy thousand Japanese settlers come over and settle on stolen land,

(12:23):
which is and then the Koreans have their land stolen,
and then not all of it, but huge chunks of it,
and then they become tenant farmers, like they have to
rent back their own land. Korean peasants get conscripted into
labor building the infrastructure, and like you'll you'll run across
people who write like this all modernized Korea and says like, oh,
well they ended up with infrastructure at least, right, because
they all got conscripted to build structure by a foreign power. Exactly. Terrible.

(12:49):
It's like it's funny because even the Japanese themselves a
thousand years before that were invaded a lot by the Chinese,
and their writing system even today is still stems from China.
Actually it's they the kanji that they use derives from China,

(13:13):
even though it's been branched off, and it is very
different now. It's um, you know, it's it's almost like
sometimes I can read a word and be like, oh,
this is almost like um reading Spanish in English. It's
like these are the same alphabet, but I don't know
what the funk this is telling me to do. Yeah, yeah,

(13:33):
you know, And I feel like that's important to write
because it's like, again, I'm not trying to be like
Japan is an evil empire filled with evil like it's
it's just not the case. It's governments. Governments do these
things exactly. There. There's it's when you study history and
I don't know a lot about actually I do know
a lot of and yeah, it's a lot of people

(13:54):
just have the same problems that we have now. It's
just rich people who are too greedy who decide to
do with everyone else and want more and hire people
to go to war for them, and it's a it's
a mess. Yeah, there are whole species deserves to die. Yeah,
you would actually agree with Young Fumiko actually shifts off

(14:16):
of that by the end, but that is absolutely her
position for a while. Yeah, So the Japanese show up,
they destroy the forests and then replant them. With Japanese
trees so that the Japanese people feel more comfortable. That's
the definition of shade. Yeah. Koreans are forced to worship
at Shinto shrines like some people like just show up

(14:37):
and leave, and some people actually start praying there, and
you know they in nineteen eighteen, Japan has this rice shortage,
and so they forced Koreans to produce more rice, export
more rice, and then go hungry themselves, which is familiar
to anyone who really likes potatoes and or the country
of Ireland. And the largest rebellion against all of this

(14:57):
was the March First Movement of nineteen nineteen, which led
two million people joining hundred antioccupation demonstrations more or less
all on one day. I'm not crazy expert in it.
That's named the March First Movement because happens in March
one and they declare the independence of Korea. The Japanese government, um,

(15:18):
but do you want to guess how they felt about
whether or not to respect this independence that they declared.
They were totally for it. They were like, you guys
have been through a lot. We're gonna listen. We're here
to listen, We're here to learn. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, and
there's been reparations to this day. Uh no, m no.

(15:39):
They actually decided they don't care for it, and so
their reaction is swift and brutal. The police and military
kill more than people. They weren't twice as many as that,
and they arrest forty six thousand fucking people. Just I
don't even I assume that they're not even being keptain
jails at that point, I assume they're being keptain. Japan's
not as cool as a lot of people think it is. Yeah. Yeah,

(16:02):
there's like there's cool stuff about you know, it's like
there's cool stuff about all of these people. Right, they
got that show where the toddlers go outside, but other stuff. Yeah, yeah,
And a bunch of the people get publicly executed for
the participation, and maybe another country shouldn't rule our country.

(16:24):
And this is it's actually noteworthy that they were executed
because actually part of the Meiji Restoration reforms is that
the number of crimes that are punishable by death goes
down dramatically. And so when we're talking about all these
executions today and on Monday, it's really easy to be like, oh, yeah,
they're just you know, killed a lot of people they
actually didn't write. They didn't. It's kind of like, I'm

(16:46):
kind of this might be a stretch, but sort of
like how the US has capital punishment, but it's it's
not the go to Um. Yeah, I hear you. I mean,
like a lot of history before, you know, things like
even just the television were extremely brutal. I don't think

(17:07):
people understand how much more brutal governments were before we
got iPhones. Yeah, totally, yeah, I got in another episode
I talked about like other people in England would uh
hang drawing quarter people and oh, yeah, it's it's not
it's not polite, you know. So the Japanese occupation of

(17:28):
Korea is it's real bad news. It ends up actually
lasting until when Japan and surrenders at the end of
World War Two, and then everything's happy for Korea ever since.
Just kidding. The USSR and the US split up Korea
like the spoils of war cutting up a Turkey and
basically North and kras South Korea have been at war
ever since, and mostly not a hot war, mostly a

(17:49):
cold war, but hor a fun times. Back to Fumco.
So she's in Korea and she's being mistreated by her
colonial family that hates her, and she gets real anti authoritarian.
You'll be shocked to know h after the March First
Movement is crushed in and she's sixteen years old, she

(18:09):
gets sent back to Japan and she's supposed to like
go get married or whatever, right, but this is not
not her plan. You will be also shocked to know
that she doesn't want to go get married because she
has to acquire superhero super villain levels of knowledge. Right yea,
she has a society to fight against. So her dad
shows up and he's like, I'm so sorry, I'm so bad.

(18:31):
I'll be a good dad now, which was a plot
to sell her into marriage to her own uncle as
end priest and who was also legally her brother because
of the fun treat with the registration. Yeah. Fortunately, and
this is one of the advantages of of sucking around.
She gets caught dating a boy her own age and

(18:53):
her uncle was like, oh, never mind, your dirty horror
and not a virgin anymore, so he decides not to
marry her. So when in doubt, find an age appropriate
person of a gender you're attracted to and fuck them
if you have problems, you know, Yeah, exactly. So she
can't handle her father anymore, and so she sucks off
to Tokyo. It's she's seventeen, and once she's there, she

(19:15):
gets job as a newsy, which is mostly a job
for boys, but she convinces her employer that she's more
of a boy than a girl. Anyway. She's like, look
I in my character. This is later she writes about
her autobiography. She's like, in her character gait, speech and
general behavior, more of a boy than a girl. So
she gets an advance on her salary as a news

(19:35):
eh and goes to schools full of mostly boys because
most of the schools for girls were like about needle
work and ship. She wants to study math, English, classical Chinese,
and she wants to go to medical school. Every day,
she goes to school until four pm and then sells
newspapers till midnight. Yeah yeah, yeah, I don't know what
time in the school started, but I'm assuming this to her.

(19:58):
Yeah yeah, So on the street she's selling papers, and
she sees the city because she's just basically hanging out
by this bridge selling newspapers, and she sees soapbox orders
the Salvation Army, an opposing Buddhist salvation Army that didn't
like the Christian Salvation Army. She tries to get into Christianity,
but it doesn't stick, I think, because she keeps sleeping

(20:19):
with people and she wants to and she doesn't like
the people that she can't. So she starts selling. But
while she's sort of Christian, she sells soap on the
street at a soap vendor's stand. This doesn't pay her
well enough too in order to keep going to school,
so she can't keep taking it. So she becomes a
living made for a Christian family, but she didn't have
time for class if she's a living made. And she

(20:40):
hated them because they're all rich hypocrites who oppressed everyone
and she eat on each other and we're just real
bad folks. So she gets a job at a socialist
newspaper and along the way she dates various boys, but
she's just fucking pissed at how noncommittal they are, how
they refused to take her seriously, and the general attitude
that of being used right. She she refers to it

(21:01):
as she gets treated like a toy by the boys
that she's dating, and she doesn't like it, And she
came to Tokyo just in time for this off swing,
and the leftist movement across every level of society rites
the blooming again after the winter period. The government is
full of young blood who want parliamentary rule, and the
masses are full of communists and anarchists and feminists. Despite
constant repression, she stays out of this. She works for

(21:24):
the newspaper and all this other ship, but at her
core she's a nihilist. She's twenty one. She worked days
as a living waitress at a socialist restaurant called Socialists Do.
I'm I can imagine this, but not easily, you know,
like you have your restaurant called socialists Do. Yeah, probably
not the same alliteration. Yeah, no, no it's not. It's um.

(21:47):
I wrote it down in Japanese, and then I didn't,
and then I deleted it when I made my final script.
And in exchange for tuition, basically, she's like, all right,
I get room and board, I work here, and you
pay for my schooling and it seems to work out
well in general. She goes to classes at night. She
still doesn't join any formal movement. She's pissed that the

(22:08):
socialist boys are just as shipped her as the regular boys,
which unfortunately is not surprising, and she borrows books on
politics and philosophy from one of her best friends, this
woman who's a fellow student, who's a nihilist, and gets
her into all this philosophy, and she writes about her
political awakening them the quote this, This is from her autobiography.
I knew what socialism preached was true, but I could

(22:29):
not accept socialist thought in its entirety. Socialism seeks to
change society for the sake of the oppressed masses, But
what would it accomplish truly for their welfare? Socialism would
create a social eppeaval for the masses, and the masses
would stake their lives in the struggle together and those
who had risen up on their behalf. But what would
the ensuing change mean for them? Power would be in
the hands of leaders, and the order of new society

(22:51):
would be based on that power. The masses would become
slaves all over again to that power. What is revolution, then,
but the replacing of one power with another. Even one
did not have an ideal vision of society. One could
have one's work to do, whether it's successful or not,
was not our concern, it was enough that we believed
it to be a valid work. I want to carry
out a work on my own for I feel that

(23:13):
by so doing, our lives are rooted in the here
and now, not in some far off goal. It's pretty cool. Yeah,
so that's like you earlier You're like, well, yeah, it's like.
Nihilism is the most amorphous fucking word in the English
language as far as I can tell, you know, like
it can get it can mean so many different things. Um,
so this is what it means to her, And and

(23:35):
she writes about this, and she basically says, and I
actually really like, I'm not a nihilist. Um, I actually
do believe in the specific creation of better societies. But
but I I really like this attitude she has, which
is that we all have our one true task and
you don't have to fulfill the task, you only have
to work at it nice. And then one day, as
she's living her life, she reads a poem in a

(23:56):
journal by a young Korean poet and nihilist named Paciol
and she basically is like, I like this poem so much,
I'm gonna find this guy and fall in love with him.
Typical a right typical Nathan Fielder fan. And I think
this is why twenty three year old boys right poetry. Yeah.
So her friends introduced into him, introduced him to tak

(24:18):
and he's been a rickshaw driver, a maleman, a ticket scalper,
and a longshoreman. Some of the longshoreman's unions were Korean
at that point. As I understand, basically, the Koreans living
in Japan are living as this, you know, essentially permanent
underclass m hm. And but he's unemployed at the time
that they meet. He's living, as his friends put it,
a stray dog. He stays with and relies on his friends,

(24:40):
and he writes poetry, and he does odd jobs and
he like publishes anarchists, you know, newspapers and ship um.
And I want to say I've known people like that,
but really I'm just actually describing my own early twenties
like that. Yeah, yeah, it could work. If can get it,

(25:01):
then your other friends do the work. Oh, I see
the problem in this plant. Okay. So, so he comes
to visit her at work at her request and then
waits for her as she left school one day, like
goes and waits into the trees as she leaves school.
And they have their first date. They go to a
Chinese restaurant and neither of them understand the etiquette around tea,
and they like flirt over their awkwardness about not knowing.
Like both rich people ship and something from another culture.

(25:24):
It like bonds them. But our girl Foumi com he's straightforward,
she said, And I'm actually I'm usually paraphrasing when I
say things as cheeky is I'm about to say, but
I'm quoting her autobiography. I'll get Troy to the point.
Do you have a wife or well, if not exactly
a wife, someone like, say a lover, because if you do,
I want a relationship to just be one between comrades.

(25:46):
Well do you? And he's like, no, I'm single. She says.
I'm Japanese, but I think I can say I'm not
prejudiced against Koreans. I wonder, though, if you have any
feelings against me. He replies, no, it's not ordinary people
that I hate. It's the Japanese ruling class. And I
even feel a bond with people like you who aren't prejudiced.

(26:07):
So far, so good. There's only one test left in
the way. Okay, are you working in the nationalist movement.
She asks, and he says, I sympathize, but now I
am paraphrasing it. He's like, I sympathize with it, but
I'm an anarchist and I basically can't participate in the
nationalist front directly, right. I have to fight for independence
in my own way, not for the nation of Korean.

(26:28):
And this is the answer for whom he goes looking for,
partly because it's not just being like, oh, you can't
be like because like nationalist aren't cool. It's actually because
she's like, I'm Japanese and I don't want to be
doing anything shitty by like fucking with your ship. It's
a match. Fumico pays for the food because he's a
fucking crust punk um and but they sort out that

(26:50):
she has more money than him. I think he offers
to pay, and she's like, oh, I got it. And
she finally meets a boy who takes her seriously and
doesn't treat her like a toy, and I love their
loves or they Paciole for his part, he had been
born a commoner, born of commoners, just going back forever.
His father had died when he was for His mother

(27:10):
was very kind and loving. He was very much a
mama's boy. He was really good in school, but he
had to drop out to work on the family farm
to make enough money. So he runs away from home
and he goes back at fifteen in order to go
to school anyway, and he guess all into radical politics,
but he saw that swapping out Japanese rule with Korean
rule wouldn't bring people out of poverty, so you know,

(27:31):
it becomes an anarchist. Seventeen, he moves to Tokyo and
the two of them, now that they're together, they they
end up in a crew of and this gets really
messy because they basically made up new names for their
groups constantly, and they were like, oh, yeah, we're we're
an official organization called the Outlaws or the Society of Malcontents.
But they like they changed their name when they're bored. Yeah,

(27:53):
they're like bands, I get it. Yeah, yeah, totally totally,
and you know, and that's the Society of Malcontents is
one of the main ones that they get called because
mainstream papers love to complain about all the malcontent Koreans,
so they're like, yeah, we're fucking malcontent. What do you
fucking want that sounds cool. Yeah, And they published a
bunch of different newspapers and you know they're probably just

(28:15):
sucking zines and or maybe they're full on magazines or
maybe their news you know, I don't, I don't know.
I dare zines ones called black Wave because you know,
they because they're not they're anarchists and others called the
Insubordinate Korean or the title is actually translated also as
the Cheeky Koreans. Mm hmm. Just funny because earlier I said,

(28:36):
you know, I don't usually say something so cheeky as this.
I'm like, that's not actually not a word. That's part
of my right to their vocabulary because I've been thinking
about the Cheeky Koreans for days and added back in,
I'm like, this is getting a couple more rotations this week. Um.
So they actually right fairly moderately. They're super radical in
their politics, like personally, but they're writing really moderately because

(28:59):
their whole point is that like we're trying to actually
change people's minds, right. And then the other thing is
is that they actually have advertisers, Like there's like department
and stores and ship advertising in their papers. That's funny,
and the history books I read are like, you know,
we're not actually really sure whether this is like earnest,
like this department store was like, oh, yes, this is
where we will find our customers, or if basically they

(29:22):
showed up and we're like, it's such a nice story
you got here. Wouldn't it be a shame of the
people around here thought you were the enemy of the
working class? Mm hmm. So maybe it was extortion. Maybe
it was regular advertisers, much like how this is how
we get our own advertisers on the show, isn't that right? Yeah,

(29:42):
see Sophie's not in Yeah, so here are the ads
from people who have very nice department stores, and we
are back. Okay, Bomico's family doesn't like her, right, Her

(30:03):
family is not the best people. Her family sucks. Yeah,
her family was here punched in the face and they
would deserve it. They also, you will be shocked to
know this are racist. Oh, they formally disinherit her because
she's living with a Korean um. In court later, this
is like not like in court that because they're all

(30:24):
on you know, and they're like, why did you disinherit her?
And they're like because she's living with a Korean. So
they move into a flophouse together and they talk about
how the rich and they're like, you know, then and
become like common law husband and wife, but they don't
get married m and they're like, well, rich people get honeymoons,
but we're not rich. So we're gonna publish political tracks
together to celebrate our relationship. And then in addition to

(30:47):
writing stuff, they decide, or rather Pak and his friends
actually first decide, without Fumico's knowledge at the beginning, we
should get our hand on some bombs because there's this
problem or there's an emperor. You see. It's a very
similar problem as people have faced in the past m hm.
And so they decided to solve the problem directly, and

(31:07):
Fumiko finds out that they've been trying to get bombs
and not telling her, and she's fucking mad. She's like,
you said you would be treating me as you're equal
in a comrade, and he's like, I'm fucking sorry, and
from you know, classic sorry babe, yeah exactly, like oh yeah,
totally yeah, and it's you know, he might have been

(31:30):
like trying to protect her. She clearly didn't want to
be protected or whatever. He's He's not without his faults,
but I think he's he's doing way better than everyone
else that she's ever dated. It's it's hard to tell
exactly how far into planning the assassination they got. It's
like they might not have had an actual specific plan,
and they might have they might have been but the
specifically they're actually not going after the Emperor. They're going

(31:52):
after the Crown Prince was soon to be the Emperor.
They want to introduce him to a stick of dynamite
and see how that the pair of them get along.
And once again, part of the reason they're doing this
is because people say the Emperor is descend into the
gods and that the Emperor is a god, and they
wanted to prove he was a human being by watching
him die like a human being. Or, as Fumaco later

(32:14):
said in court, the notion that the Emperor is sacred
and august is a fantasy. The people have been led
to believe that the Emperor and Crown Prince represent authorities
that are sacred and inviolate. Nominee is another word I
don't know how to pronounce, but they're simply vacuous puppets.
The concepts of loyalty to the emperor and love of
nation are simply rhetorical notions that have been manipulated by

(32:37):
the tiny group of the privileged classes to fill their
own greed and interests. So that's her justification. She goes
to try and find some bombs. She would have been
great on Twitter too. I know she probably would have
gone rested for what she said on Twitter, but she
would have come out with a lot of I know,
would be a really good threat. The quote tweets would
have been worth it. Um. And then while they're running

(33:01):
around trying to find a bomb, one of the deadliest
earthquakes in human history hits Japan. Have you have you
heard of this? The Kanto earthquake of I'm not sure
to put you on the spot. I just like, literally
don't know how much, not that one specifically, but I
just know that they have a ton of earthquakes. Um,
they're right by fault line. It sucks. Yeah. Yeah. On

(33:25):
September one, the Conto earthquake leveled much of Tokyo and Yokohama,
just the second largest city in Japan. Mhm. This it
only lasts four to ten minutes. In those four to
ten minutes or the resulting result of it. The death
toll stands at one five thousand, three five people filled

(33:46):
by the earthquake. Many are killed by fires that raged
throughout the city. Some people get their feet stuck and
melted asphalt and couldn't run away from the fires. A
single fire tornado hid an army depot and incinerated thirty
eight But who are sheltering there? Uh? People couldn't put
out the fires because the water mains were broken. Mud

(34:06):
slides buried houses, an entire village fell into the sea
thirty ft high. Tsunami waves struck the coast within minutes.
One point nine million people are left homeless. Thirty seven
miles away from the epicenter. The quake moves a hundred
tons statue of Buddha like two ft h And unfortunately

(34:27):
the Emperor was off somewhere else at the time, so
he's totally fine. H. And then things got bad. Yes, yeah,
in the wake of the earthquake, he started blaming Koreans. Uh.
They not for the earthquake itself, but for the fires.
This is like how they blamed um like tornadoes on

(34:50):
gay people. Yeah, a couple of years ago. Yeah, I
wish I had this power, you know. Yeah, And so
there's rumors that Koreans are running around starting fire and
poisoning wells. It's possible the government started those rumors. They
definitely at least repeated the rumors and proclaimed as part
of their official proclamations starting it all, quote, Koreans and

(35:14):
socialists are planning a rebellion and treacherous plot. We urged
the citizens to cooperate with the military and police to
guard against Koreans. And they declare martial law and send
seventy thousand soldiers out into the streets. And during all
of this, right, the Korean longshoreman unions go out and
do what leftist do when there's crisis, actually what people
do when there's crisis, usually when they don't do the

(35:35):
other bad thing we're about to talk about, and they
start to immutulate. They run around and just start feeding people,
and they're just trying to take care of people. They're like,
we're an organized group of people who carry around heavy
ship for a living. Let's go fucking save some people, right,
But they had red flags with them, and that was scary,
and people don't like being scared, so they got angry,
and so violence ensues. And when there are these massive

(36:00):
wildfires out west, you know, in the Pacific Northwest, people
from all of these like like mutual aid groups formed
and went to small towns as a mutual aid disaster relief,
and then armed right wingers who were also from out
of town showed up and blamed them for starting all
the wildfires. Um, so something's never change. Yes, if you

(36:21):
look at enough history, a lot of political things are
very predictable in a sad way. Ye, yeah, which is
actually in a weird way. It's like part of why
I study history. I mean, like part of we can
like fuel inspired that people actually can like step up
and do things. And part of it is just like
literally like you know, I don't know, if you're playing
a video game and there's like the swinging blades that

(36:42):
you gotta run past, you like looking at them for
a fucking minute and figure out what the fucking pattern
is before you run through. You know. So this means
open season on Korean's biggetts run around and massacre all
the ethnically Korean people they could find. Six to ten
thousand people get murdered in all of US vigilantes, which
of course, includes cops and military set up checkpoints and
just kill people. They like have people show up and

(37:04):
they're like, pronounced the following words, and if you pronounced
it with an accent, they kill you. And I promised
you swords in this episode, and I also told you
that I'm very sorry about how the swords get used.
One of the one of the images that sticks with
me from this whole thing is that people would go
and take down their grandfather's katana off the wall, right

(37:26):
from the Meiji restoration era stuff, and run around and
then go murder the ship out of people. At one point,
the army arrested three thousand people and then just murdered
three hundred of them. And and it wasn't only Koreans
who got targeted. Chinese folks and other ethnic minorities were
mistaken for Koreans and killed. Even Japanese people with regional
accents couldn't pronounce certain words right, so they would get murdered.

(37:49):
And in some cities a quarter of the Korean population
was killed. So and credit words due some of the
cops in military actually do try and stop the violence.
It was kind of like a crap shoot. If you
ran into cops of military, whether they were going to
help you or kill you. But some of them run
out and try and stop the violence. And for good
and bad motivations, they placed twenty four thousand Korean people

(38:11):
into protective custody. Right, and this actually saves a lot
of people's lives. But this will this will shock you.
They use it to be bad. Oh man, They like
they are in the movies one time. I know, I know,
they just round up and kill everyone they have their

(38:32):
eye on. Anyway, right, the socialist, the anarchists, and the communists,
all all three of those, like major political leftist parties
lose leaders during this time. Uh. Some of the anarchist
who got killed was this couple who was the most
prominent feminist in Japan and then the most prominent anarchists
in Japan and their six year old nephew get killed.
And there's one story where they had killed in the

(38:52):
street and thrown into a well, and there's another story
where they're in protective custody and strangled to death in jail.
Years ago, I met some Japanese anarchists who gave me
a zne about the martyrs of the Japanese anarchist movement,
and there's a bright kning number of like actual literal
like under ten years old children in their zine about martyrs. Interesting.
The one upside is September one is now a disaster

(39:15):
prevention day in Japan, with people like Drill about how
to deal with tsunamis and typhoons and ship I hope
it includes curriculum about how not to become a racist
murdering bob. Yeah, this was only a hundred years ago, insane. Yeah.
Uh so that's the earthquake and the massacre and the massacre.
It's not looking good right. The government is like, okay,

(39:37):
First of all, the newspapers can't report on this for
a couple of days, and in the meantime, we need
someone to take the blame. So why not some dirty
Korean anarchists to take the blame? Why not Parkile or Pacule?
His name gets spelled both ways, but I believe it's
pronounced pack m hm. So after the earthquake, both Fumiko

(39:57):
is not even Korean and Park were taken into a
quote protective custody from which Fumco actually never returns. Almost
certainly they got arrested right away because cops have been
tracking the organization because let's be real, they were like
not really good at their job of being revolutionists. Um yeah,
I mean they were printing a lot of literature. They
put themselves out there. Yeah, and they've both been arrested

(40:19):
a bunch of different times through various demonstrations and actions.
Pack you all used to beat up anyone who's like
stealing from the movement. Um, they get charged with vagrancy
while they're in jail, and the reason they get and
first of all, it's a little weird that the government
decides to charge people of vagrancy. Now at one point
nine million people are homeless. But worse, the police actually
set them up to be arrested for vagrancy because they

(40:41):
went to their landlord and said, look, these two aren't
coming back, so rent out to someone else. So they're
evicted while they're in jail, and they're like, oh, you
don't have a home. I guess you're a vagrant. I
guess you belong in jail. Yeah. A bunch of the
rest of their friends, mostly Korean, get arrested as well.
Most of these are released. One guy, Kim Chun han,

(41:01):
got charged with explosives but not high treason in the end,
I think he's the one who went to Shanghai to
get bombs from and I actually failed at this. I
think I think they I think in the end they
didn't even have any fucking bombs m hum. And it
was his lover, who, probably under torture from the government,
had informed on everyone. I don't want to call her
snitch because I think she broke under torture, and I

(41:22):
believe those are functionally different things. Um. But she told them, Yeah,
they're trying to get bombs from Shanghai to kill the
imperial family and Fumico herself. She's in jail. She confesses
this was a really bad plan. Um. This is pretty
much the mistake that ends her life. And because in

(41:42):
the end there's actually not that much material evidence except
for uh, fumaco IMPACT's own confessions m hm. But they're
in jail, they're facing all this crazy ship and they
decided to get married. Uh. They have been sort of
against getting legally married, but then they decided, let's get
legal be married. For a couple of reasons. One the

(42:02):
legal protections that allow Fumiko to be buried alongside Pok
in his family graveyard, and Korea rather than have her family,
her family who sucks like fuck to get her body. Um.
But it's also this fuck you to Japan, right because
she's a Japanese woman and she's going to marry Korean
and it's like bad or whatever. But there's all this

(42:23):
really interesting ship where some of the people involved in
their case are like kind of sympathetic to them, and
I think I think it's partly because they know that
they're just being fucking set up. Um. They get allowed
to take their portrait together around the time of their
wedding and things before they get married, and this photo exists,
and because they're like last nihilists, they take the scandalous
photo where Pak is sitting in a chair and Fumic

(42:45):
goes close up against him and she's reading a book
and his hand is just like on her tip um,
and it's just like yes, here we are, you know, um,
everyone should google this photo. And then after this photo
they're left alone for a conjurgable visit it and their
trial is a big funk off deal, especially in Korea
of course, but Japan is obviously following it too, and

(43:07):
people know the point of this trial is to come
up to cover up the massacre. They're trying to retroactively
justify the martial law that they've declared m HM and
Fumiko and Pack know it too, right, so they're defiant
as fucking court. The first day, they both show up
in traditional Korean garb, which they were like, I had
to go through a lot of hoops in order to

(43:27):
do because of this big uproar, and overall they're just like,
continue to just be like fuck you the whole time
they're in court, and you know, their defiance get met
gets met with uproar. In the courtroom, everyone's applauding, so
it becomes a closed trial. Public can't see it anymore.
Fumico said to the court, quote, you'd better kill me.
However many years you keep me in prison, if you

(43:50):
let me out into society once more without fail, I'll
show you I can start afresh. I'll show you I
can annihilate myself and save you the trouble. Come come,
send this body of mine anywhere you like, even to
the scaffold Choji prison. Bodies only die once. Do as
you please. If you do something like that with me,
it would just be proof positive for me that I've

(44:10):
lived my life to the full. I'll be satisfied with that.
Mhm um. So she knows what she wants. Yeah, that's
extremely badass me. I don't think I'll ever get to
that point. Yeah. Throughout history, there's all these times where
like left us get you know, an anarchist, I get
thrown up in court and and like some portion or
like fucky, I did it, I'll do it again. And

(44:33):
then there's another portion it's like I'm real sorry approach
on that, and then like I'm real sorry, buds like
you usually go to jail for a while, but are
like more likely to go home in the end, you know.
And I am not picking. I am not picking between
those two. I'm holding both options open. I'm not committing
to it to find I'm more like, fuck you, I
did what I did, and I'm going to sit in

(44:55):
my cell and wait my time. Yeah totally yeah, and
then when I get out, I'll be good, and I promise,
because like whatever, I mean, when you get out, you
do whatever you want, you know, but you know who
else wants you to do whatever you want? Is it
one of your sponsors? It is it is actually well,
it's actually the toddlers who smile unsolicited don't solicit smiles
for people especially Yeah, that's right, thank you, as well

(45:20):
as these other advertisers. And we are back and things
that are not looking good, except they are looking good
because their motivations are entirely opposite of what my motivations
would be at this point, because they get sense to
death on March, and ten days later, fearing riots and backlash,

(45:43):
especially in Korea, the emperor pardons them and gives them
life in prison instead. And it's actually quite possible that
the judge the entire time had been trying to get
them to be a repentant so that he could get
away with giving them life in prisoners and of death
to avoid all this political scandal. So a lot of
times in the trial it was like kind of like, mon,
aren't you logally a little bit sorry? Like look how

(46:04):
bad your life is? Don't you think it's like And
they also were like you com plead insanity, you're like
kind of crazy, right, So actually, in a lot of
ways their strategy at trial was literally, how do we
get the death penalty? How do we take control of
our own lives? And like control this narrative the only direction,
the only direction that we know how to control it

(46:24):
interesting and it and their insistence on on their own
guilt of treason right because there's the high treason is
their charge. It frustrates the government's plan, and the courtroom
drama was just about how the story would be presented
to the world. So this is her whole fucking plan.
When she's given her pardon, Fumico tears it up to

(46:47):
shreds and her cell while crying, says to the chaplain
and prison officials, you toy with people's lives, killing or
allowing to live as it suits you. What is the
special pardon? Am I to be disposed of? According to
your winds? She doesn't like it, And then in prison
she writes more than two poems, writes her untitled autobiography,

(47:07):
Jealous um Yeah, and she she her biography just goes
up to when she meets Pack and then cuts off
there because it's like going to be kind of like
part of her It's part of her defense strategy in
a way, it's part of her like let me show

(47:28):
you how fucked up the society has, let me show
you what happened to me in my life. And but
kind of interestingly, right in prison, she becomes more optimistic
of a person like her. Nihilism remains, but it becomes
this way to affirm the beauty and joy one can
find in life, and she's no longer on the like
fuck it, humanity should be over. Now you know I

(47:50):
can't relate. Well, you just clearly need to go to
jail for hi. No, no, one shouldn't do that. Get
some poetry written to She makes another confession near the
end of her trial, and she confesses that she wasn't
as guilty as she had claimed. She's like, look, I
only heard of the bomb plot after they failed to
get the bombs, and she didn't do this because she

(48:12):
wanted mercy. It was actually just that she basically wanted
to have the record be accurate and honest, um and
she didn't want to like stolen valor basically right. She
didn't want to, like claim to be more badass than
she was, which is funny because I struggle to find
people who are more badass in history. M hmm. At
one point, when she's still in school, she's talking to

(48:32):
her best friend, who's another nihilist, about death and what
there is to fear in it. Umko told her friend,
I can state from my own experience that what people
fear and death is the loneliness of having to leave
this world forever. Though people may not be consciously aware
of all the phenomena around them under normal circumstances, the
thought that that that which makes them themselves be lost

(48:53):
forever is a terribly lonely thing. So she she writes
and thinks about suicide, and then the headlines in Tokyo
on July read from a hemp rope tied to iron bars,
death by hanging in the bright morning sunshine. Kniko Fumico
hanged herself in prison under the very noses of those

(49:13):
checking on her every ten minutes or so, and her
death is recorded as suicide. Right, she had been refusing
to eat. She had been refusing work. Detail that the
women in the prison did this is a little bit
odd to me. The work detail that women in the
prison we're supposed to do was we've hemp rope. So
she had been like, all right, fuck it all work,
give me, give me some empor we've a rope. So

(49:36):
she weaves a rope and hangs herself, and prison authorities
tell her mother and offer her mother the body, which
is like not the plan, right, Fortunately, her mother's a
piece of ship, so her mother refuses to take the
body um Instead, her mother apologizes for her ungrateful daughter
having killed herself instead of doing what she was supposed
to do what the emperor told her to do, which

(49:57):
is live in prison. At one point earlier, her mom
thought Fumaco had died in the earthquake and said she
was glad because her daughter's ideas had become twisted. And
it seems really likely that there's actually no foul play
involved a lot of people at the time, and a
lot of people when you first kind of hear about
this thing, you're like, okay, yeah, right, Like of course
she you know, much like Epstein or whatever, she totally
killed herself or whatever. But I actually I agree with

(50:20):
some of the historians I read about this, that that
she she killed herself because she the prison wanted her
to live, because she had been ordered by the emperor
to fucking this divine command that she's refusing in her
like final act of refusal. Yeah, they didn't want her
to be a martyr. Yeah, totally exactly, And and she
ends up a martyr. And the Korean independence movement makes

(50:40):
a lot out of it, and for her her willingness
to die was necessary to a firm life, and it
was the only way to live free was to be
willing to die. And here's a poem she wrote in prison.
The moon shines, It shines, and yet people still follow
an endless dark road after her death. It was her
It was actually the preliminary court judge that gives her

(51:00):
manuscript of her autobiography to her friends who published it.
But it's not long before her death before her legacy
starts getting used by whoever wants to use it. I
actually talked to the currently living Korean anarchist about this,
who doesn't want to be named. The story of Fumico
and Pack gets used a lot by Korean nationalists who

(51:22):
see them as as heroes of national liberation, but the
two were adamant in that they were internationalists, that they
were anarchists, and for Fumico in particular, she was a nihilist.
They want to Korea to be free from Japan, right,
but not just to create its own authoritarian state. Uh
Their trial lawyer a few decades later gave this speech
about how Fumico is a pure, self sacrificing woman who

(51:43):
gave herself for her husband and her husband's country. Um
and I I get the feeling. And Fumico wouldn't be
happy about that. No, Yeah, she might have some bombs
to answer to that. And while the pair is on trial, right,
this is part of how it's proven. It's just all

(52:03):
this show trial. It's like they're focusing on these two
so that they can blame about this other thing. They
actually kind of don't care as much about the conspiracy.
Not to be outdone by the nihilist, a communist tries
to take down the crown Prince hiro Hito too. Tasuke
Namba is a communist who takes a shot at the
guy's carriage on December. He only shoots once. I don't
know what's with these historical assassins. The shoots once he

(52:26):
injured someone else in the carriage. He gets arrested, beat
and tried and executed. He said that he did it
in part to avenge the death of Cotaco, the anarchists
who have been killed during high trees and incident. The
boyfriend and I just want to say, this is the
kind of left unity I can get behind. Yeah, And
if you know, if communist wants to avenge my death
by trying to kill a tyrant more power to word.

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The Prime Minister takes a responsibility for this lapse in security,
and he and the cabinet, a ton of other people
resign and more conservative people take over. They passed the
Peace Preservation Law, of which basically makes it illegal to
criticize the idea of private property. You get ten years
in prison if you criticize the idea of private property.
This clearly sucks up the left, and it's like in here,

(53:10):
I like actually even originally had the scriptmal say it. Anyway,
it's like, this is one of the problems with like
individual actions that are not backed by mass movements. Right,
It's like someone takes a fucking pot shot, or like
he's like, oh, I'm gonna throw a bump, but I'm
not actually part connected to anything, and everything just gets worse.
Most of the time. It's very hard. But this particular
one is interesting to me because Rokito fucking sucked and

(53:33):
if it succeeded, okay, so so later during the same period,
another Korean independence activists throws a hand grenade at the emperor,
narrowly miss killing him, and he becomes here he too,
the Korean independence actress. He becomes one of the longest
reigning monarchs in human history, rules from he's the emperor
in World War two, invades China, he takes Japan, and

(53:56):
it's fascistic direction. Uh. He's responsible for millions and millions
of death. The Korean source I talked to said picked them,
like used the number twenty million deaths that they could
blame here one uh on here he too, and God
only knows what the world would look like if any
of these people have succeeded, you know. So I think

(54:16):
it's messier because usually I'm kind of like these one
off assassinations that are like brave and ship, but usually
just make everything fucking worse, you know, yeah, exactly. It's
like shoot shoot true, like you got it right behind
the head or something like John and Wilkes booth. Even
though I didn't, like nothing successful at the one thing
that he did, Yeah, that's true, So I shouldn't have

(54:39):
you one. No, I can't even make a joke about that.
He's a sucking christ fun that guy. Oh my god,
So I hated because he makes me a sympathy for
a US president who was also a racist, you know,
like like he makes anyway. M hmm. So to Paciole,
he survives prison. Ah, he's freed in nineteen forty five

(55:01):
when Japan surrenders and Korea is freed, well sort of freed,
and his own path gets messy and hard to track.
From here. We kind of know physically where he went,
but I struggle to find how his beliefs shifted. Right, Um,
I it doesn't look good no matter how you paint it. Though.
The Korean anarchists I talked to said that he came

(55:21):
out of prison pro Japan. He basically been broken. After
like fifteen years in prison or whatever, he ends up
and he comes out right wing. He wounds up in Seoul,
and when North Korea captures Soul, he decides he's a
communist because now he's in North Korea, and I think
he's just kind of every way which way the wind
is blowing. I think he's just trying to fucking live.
That's my theory. Um. But he also works to unite

(55:42):
North and South Korea, which is actually reasonably cool. And
then he he dies in North Korea in nineteen seventy four,
and some people say it was executed by the North Koreans,
and some people say he wasn't, and then he was
like a loyal North Korean and people like arguing about
his legacy. Very few of those arguments happening in English,
and which is fine. It just means I can't access

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them besides asking people. You know, maybe he just couldn't
handle resisting authority anymore, or maybe he stayed really fucking
cool and just was like all right, Maybe the pure
raw defiance was like fucking me up, and I should
be a little more subtle, you know. I don't know.
I don't know either. Yeah, I don't know the way
to go. Sometimes it just like I want to burn
every single thing down, and then someone else tells me

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to vote, and I'm just like, I don't. Fuck yeah,
I think that do both seems like a perfectly reasonable solution,
you know. And I want to I want to close
with a poem. I just finally, I don't normally throw
much poetry in the show, but I'm talking about these
two poets, right. I want to close with the poem
written by Suga. The first woman was executed, and she

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wrote in her cell while she awaited death. The wounded
kept up late in the night, weeping with the pain
of wounds. Old and new, frozen in my chill bed
at night? How often I listened to the stealthy sounds
of sabers, brave, brave children of revolution, timid, timid child
of tears? Are they the one insane? I look at
myself in wonder and I like it because it it's

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that ship you're talking but that we're talking about, right, Like, um,
are we being brave? Are we also like scared and
and crying and ship? And I think the answer is both, right, Yeah, absolutely,
I mean I think sometimes the most scared person can
be the most dangerous, you know. Yeah, that's my quote. Yeah,

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And they're like, you know, one of the things I
try and hold onto, right, because like I'm often scared
of ship myself, right, And I'm like, okay, well, you
like literally can't be brave unless you're scared, because otherwise
you're like foolhardy the word for like not caring about
dangerous foolhardy, which is fine, like more power of the foolhardy.
But I hope bravery for myself and the other people
who want to I want to fight against bad ship. Absolutely. Well,

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that is the story of these people. Hell yeah, these
badass women, They make me want to read their books,
and not a lot of things make me want to
read a book. I will look up if there's a
movie on either one of these and then watch that instead,
But if not, I might read a book. There is

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the movie about kind of rules. It's called Anarchists from
Colony and it's it's a South Korean film. It gets
a little bit it's a little bit on the side
of like that. It pushes a little bit hard on
the them as Korean independence activists, which isn't a lie, right,
but it like focuses on one part of it. But
it's really fucking good. It wins all these awards. It

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came out in seventeen or something. Yeah it I I
recommend it to everyone. Um it is so good. You
got it? Yeah? Yeah, very interesting. Um. I learned a lot,
Thanks so much for having me on. Um. I got
some heroes to look up to. Um, got some d

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s A emails to respond to, call them to get
a little bit more badass. Ye, like yeah, can we
can we go in this direction? Yeah? Yeah? Anything anybody
wants to plug at the end here, Brodie, Margaret, any
anything you want to plug? I mean, Neil, I'll just
say the dark web again. Um, we really have to

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post an episode. Sometimes we take breaks when we're busy,
but um, there's still a ton of episodes for eat
enjoy um. And then yeah, if follow me on the
socios ao brow brow uh, and come see me live
if you're around, and you can follow me on the
internet if you want to see me talk ship and
then feel bad that I participated in talking to it

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on Twitter and then log off for several days and shame,
and then come right back on swinging to disagree with
people about minutia in various leftism and then exactly plain
about other people complaining about minutia or which is at
Magpie Killjoy on Twitter or martyr kill join Instagram where
I mostly post pictures and my dog, which is a

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much happier place, but as much I don't use as
much because I don't get that rush of complaining. Oh, anyway,
you know it's bad. It's a mistake. The whole thing
was a mistake. Sophie. Where can people follow you on
the internet? Uh, you can follow me at why Underscore
Sophie Underscore Why on Twitter. You can follow at cools

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and media Cools and Media on Twitter and Instagram. Uh,
listen to hood Politics with prop which is on the
Cool Zone Media Network. Yeah, oh yeah, that's all. I'm
gonna plug. Oh yeah, okay, and see you next week.

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