November 6, 2025 • 59 mins
SEASON 4 EPISODE 31: COUNTDOWN WITH KEITH OLBERMANN
A-Block (2:30) SPECIAL COMMENT: Do you want to hear the real lesson of this week’s Democratic landslide?
Mamdani ran on your money issues and that Trump equals death. Sherrill ran on your money issues and that Trump equals death. Spanberger ran on your money issues and that Trump equals death. Prop 50 won on your money issues and that Trump equals death. Hey, you can do both at the same time! Who knew?
Not difficult. Easy to remember. Useful on all occasions.
Worked in New York, where they elected a socialist when only a quarter of the voters say they are socialists. Worked in Virginia, where they elected as governor an ex-congresswoman born in Jersey. Worked in Jersey, where they elected as a governor an ex-congresswoman born in Virginia. Money Issues, and Trump Equals Death. Useful on all occasions. It’s a floor wax AND a dessert topping.
Of course the context is just as much fun as the lesson. That's becauseTrump not only doesn’t realize he got the S kicked out of him, but he doesn’t realize he’s already forced himself to both end the government shutdown and lose the government shutdown. “Trump wasn’t on the ballot,” Trump screamed. “And ‘Shutdown’… were the two reasons that Republicans lost elections...”
Ah, poor Trump. Metaphorically, Trump not only was on the ballot - every ballot but he was on the ballot in the worst possible way. Everybody could vote no on him, but it was almost impossible to vote YES. The lame duck politician’s worst nightmare.
And right now no duck is lamer than Trump.
Democrats: run on your money issues and that Trump equals death. It’s a floor wax and a dessert topping!
ALSO: No, I am not going to sanewash Dick Cheney, even after his passing. Yes, at the end, when it was loyalty to the country or Trump he chose the country and it's good to finish strong. But I will still remember him for that 9/11-Iraq exploitation thing. And I am still proud that - as you'll hear - I pissed him off enough as Vice President for him to publicly clap back.
B-Block (30:00) THE WORST PERSONS IN THE WORLD: Roger Stone, who helped advance the deplorable Laura Loomer, is now shocked she's deplorable. Similarly Ben Shapiro, who helped sell Tucker Carlson's evil to the far right, is now shocked he's evil. And I-Never-Winsome Earle-Sears and scabby Fox host Charlie Hurt think Barack Obama not voting for her when he voted for Kamala Harris is hypocritical (so...Earle-Sears voted for Kamala, and Hurt voted for Spanberger?)
C-Block (40:30) SPORTSBALLCENTER: You probably aren't interested in my thoughts on the latest new selection committee and the latest eight nominees for baseball's Hall of Fame (though I have many of them). But you may be entertained by the sagas of the previous selection committees and the legend of how the ex-players on them used to cast "courtesy votes" for their old buddies and one year Ted Williams and the others screwed up and accidentally cast way too many of them for a not-so-Hall-of-Famish catcher named Rick Ferrell and he actually got elected.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Countdown with Keith Olderman is a production of iHeartRadio. First
full night of sleep in more than one year, not
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an analogy. Literally Tuesday night, first full, uninterrupted, boring night
of sleep in more than a year. And what was
my reward to wake up to Trump beginning a climb
down from the shutdown? To wake up to Mayor elect
Mamdani and Governor elect Cheryl and Governor Elect Spanberger and
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PROMP fifty passing and every one of Virginia's ninety five
counties getting more blue. To wake up to the reality
that Trump has absolutely no idea, he got the shit
kicked out of him, and that Trump is deranged syndrome
is fatal, not fixable. To wake up to the reality
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that the real outcome of the elections in New York,
New Jersey, Virginia, California and everywhere else was Trump's sense
of permanence, his own sense that the murder he's been
getting away with he'll continue to get away with, and
the sense of his supporters, and the sense of the
moronic political media, and even the sense of some of
us resisting him. They're our sense that he will continue
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to get away with it. Gone. Permanence is the default
position of almost all politicians, and especially the corrupt and
stupid ones. Permanence is the default position of all mainstream
political reporters and analysts, and the higher up the food
chain they are, the more they cling to permanence Because Mortgages.
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I have long thought that the most perceptive analysis of
politicians ever anywhere was unintentional, and it is in the
last place you would look for it. The Beatles movie
help from the Leo McKern character, the hazily defined Eastern
religious sacrificial cult leader Klang. The sacrificial ring is missing.
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Klang says, something must be done without the ring. There
will be no sacrifice without the sacrifice. There will be
no congregation without the congregation. No more me. His deputy
then says this is so, so Klang hits him. Klang
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is Trump. Klang is also JV. Vance. Klang is also
Van Jones. Klang is also Eric Adams. Klang is also
Andrew Cuomo. Klang is also Chris Cuomo. Klang is also
Chris Matthew. Klang is also Matthew Iglesias. I could go on,
oh yeah, Klang is everybody on Fox, No more me.
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Trump wasn't on the ballot, Trump screamed in pain at
ten pm Tuesday night. And shut down were the two
reasons that Republicans lost elections tonight. Bullshit, poor Trump. There
is a news flash in there, and I'll get to
that in a moment, But first, while we are watching
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him squirm, let's remember to make him squirm even harder.
Trump not only was on the ballot every ballot, but
he was on the ballot in the worst possible way.
Everybody could vote no on him, but it was almost
impossible to vote yes. The lame duck politician's worst nightmare.
To paraphrase another unlikely source, the sixties and seventies political
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impressionist David Fry, a lame duck like Trump can only
accept blame. He cannot accept responsibility. As Fry said, and
he said it in an immaculate impersonation of Richard Nixon,
those who are to blame lose their jobs. Those who
are responsible do not. Trump is to blame. Actually, there
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are two newsflashes in what he said and wrote. The
second one is these results may increase slightly the chance
he goes full dictator, so there aren't any more elections
because he knows he's going to lose them all from
here on in whatever you think the odds are on
that maybe they went up one or two percent, But
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the more immediate news flash he repeated to Senate Republicans
in a White House breakfast yesterday, which if it did
not feature Trump throwing catchup at them, it could have.
In his panicked post, he blamed the shutdown to the
Republicans in the Senate. At the breakfast, he blamed the shutdown. He,
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quoting the report, said that the GOP is getting hurt
more by the shutdown than Democrats because they are in
charge in Washington. Per source. Well, it's finally happened on
one issue, the shutdown. Trump is, of course, one hundred
percent correct. He may be wrong about nearly everything. He
is usually either repeating something he misheard in nineteen seventy
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two or something that happened to him in a dream
in nineteen fifty five. He may have just again told
the media that you can't buy gas or groceries without ID,
possibly because the last time he actually bought groceries with mommy,
she paid by check and you had to show the
manager and ID to use the check, which is how
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it worked in the sixties. I know I was there.
My mommy did it too. Of course, the Republicans are
blamed for the sho shut down. Trump is blamed for
the shutdown. It's their shutdown. But Trump still believes this
is fixable by eliminating the filibuster because Trump's Republicans may
differ from say, Dick Cheney's Republicans in a million ways,
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but one core way they are identical is they are
fully committed to the bit. If you do something evil
and it doesn't work, if it doesn't scare people into
voting for you, your mistake clearly was it wasn't evil enough.
Do it more, do it worse. Whatever doesn't work, do
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it again, do it more. Senate Republicans will not nuke
the filibuster for the same reason that Kirsten Cinema would
not nuke the filibuster, and the same reason most mainstream
Democrats won't nuke the philibuster, but just won't say so.
The filibuster is the only thing that keeps the Senate
alive at every crossroads on the path that leads to
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the future. The Belgian poet Maurice Metterlink wrote, each progressive
spirit is opposed by a thousand men appointed to guard
the past. The Senate is only one hundred of them,
men and women appointed to guard the past. But that's
who Metalink meant. If they cannot build a dam against
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every reform, if there isn't a now impossible to reach
majority of sixty on nearly everything, the House will go
from about twenty percent of national legislative power to about
ninety percent. The Senate won't count anymore. How is a
minority party senator supposed to sell his vote if his
vote can no longer cause the toilets to overflow? At
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every crossroads on the path that leads to the future,
each progressive spirit is opposed by a thousand men appointed
to make sure the toilets overflow. A kind of doubt,
Trump quoted Metterlink even my revised version of Metalink. When
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Lindsey Graham allegedly yelled at him yesterday about the filibuster,
I kind of doubt. Graham even quoted Klang. Maybe the
part about now ma R may, but you get the
point that he has been repudiated has not yet fully
dawned on Trump, but that the shutdown has been repudiated
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that has dawned on him. He realizes that what he
thought was a plus is in fact a disaster. He
has a solution to this, shoot the filibuster and get
everything he wants done and done now, but not even
his Senate Todys will do that. He will eventually, therefore,
panic and move to another solution. He alone can end
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the shutdown. He will sell out his Senate toadies. He
will make Mike Johnson look like an id to the
twenty two percent of the country that does not yet
know he's an idiot. He will proclaim himself a hero.
It will be like Trump and China and the soybeans.
Look at me, I'm the hero. I just got the
Chinese to agree to buy as many soybeans as they
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were buying before I created this crisis. Look at me,
I'm the hero. I just got the government to be open,
just like it was before I created the crisis where
it closed. Me me me iy iy i, Trump Trump, Trump, Okay.
Out of the weeds, into the lessons, the lessons of
the democratic landslide. First, socialism was not on the ballot
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democratic socialist. That has that This country has been capitalist
socialist for at least ninety two years since FDR was
sworn in maybe since nineteen thirteen, when the sixteenth Amendment
passed and we established a federal income tax. Maybe seventeen
six Keep your goddamn government hands off, my socialist medicare off,
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my socialist medicaid off, my socialist social security off, my
socialist blues state support for financially insoluble red states Mam
Donnie a socialist. Did you see the exit polls in
New York? Do you consider yourself a democratic socialist? Sixty
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nine percent of New York's voters said no, twenty five
percent said yes. Three percent of New York voters who
said yes, we're democratic socialists also said we're voting for
Andrew Cuomo. The word socialism is meaningless. Mamdanni beat the
shit out of Cuomo. The old school corrupt, antidiluvian machine
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politics typical craft shack New York Democrat in the primary
and after the old school corrupt, antidiluvian machine political typical
crap shack billionaires like Mike Bloomberg and Bill Ackman spent
tens of millions of dollars to prop up the old
school corrupt, antidiluvian machine politics typical crapshack New York Democrat
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and got three quarters of Republicans to vote for him.
After that, after making Cuomo the Fusion all Evil Parties candidate,
and got seven out of ten Trump supporters in New
York to vote for Cuomo. Even after all that, ma'am
Danny beat the shit out of him again. Lesson here,
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Trump is undiluted, untreatable political death in blue states. He is, though,
becoming political death in Purple states. He is moving inexorably
towards becoming political death in red states. This is what
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we found out during the Democratic landslide. The other lessons,
Ma'm donnie ran on your money issues and that Trump
equals death. Not difficult, easy to remember, useful on all occasions.
Your money issues and Trump equals death. Worked in New York,
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where they elected a socialist who got majority support from
Democrats who aren't socialists. Worked in Virginia where they elected
as governor and ex congresswomen born in Jersey. Worked in
Jersey where they elected as governor and ex congress woman
born in Virginia. Your money issues and Trump equals death,
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both of them useful on all occasions. It's a floor
wax and a dessert topping. Other lessons Chuck Schumer resign
at least a Senate I'm an already leader. You were
one of metterlinks thousand men appointed to guard the past.
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Guess what the future got passed you? Resign, Get out
of the way. David Axelrod and Van Jones, who criticized
mom Donnie's victory speech, let me paraphrase you had another
pop reference another movie, The Sweet Smell of Success. Burt
Lancaster is the monstrous gossip columnist JJ Hunsecker, Van David,
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your politically dead son, get yourself buried. Governor elect Spanberger, congratulations,
Now fix the toilet that you cause to overflow. Why
is it that everybody keeps thinking somebody running in a city,
admittedly an enormous city, that that is the deciding race. Well,
maybe governor elect, because right now, in all of Virginia
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forty two thousand square miles, the population is only three
hundred and thirty three thousand people more than in New
York City four hundred and sixty eight square miles. Asked
about mom Donnie saying he had won the fight for
the soul of the future of the Democratic Party, probably
a boast that he didn't need to make. Spanberger reposted,
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then maybe he should be a Democrat, Madam Governor elect
stfu a new rule here. We are here to save democracy.
We are here to end the Trumpsts. We are here
to save America, not to polish our own asses. Trump
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fired thousands of Virginians and backed a raving lunatic who
had a one issue campaign that apparently only she and
Riley Gaines given f about maybe you could chill on
taking potshots at Mam Donnie and get back to business
having been gifted a landslide by Donald Trump. Or or
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go ahead, get on the Chuck Schumer bandwagon. And I
mean that literally. I come completely believe now that Chuck
Schumer travels by horse drawn bandwagon. Whoa slow down? We
must be going eight nine miles an hour, Gabby, No
human can survive this speed. Other other lessons more philosophical.
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The pundits were wrong. Of course, the pundits were wrong.
The rule of punditry is only leaped to the most obvious,
least uncertain conclusion. A poll shows the Democratic Party is
less popular than it used to be. Well, that must
be because nobody wants to vote Democratic orherever will vote
Democratic again, Except if you'd read the second line of
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the story. The second line on the poll result indicated
that most of those who were dissatisfied with the Democratic
Party were Democrats who thought that the Democrats were not
fighting hard enough against Trump and the economic disaster of
our times. Look, there are only two possibilities for that
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the Democratic brand is damaged. Bullshit. It's either that, Yes,
Democrats are less popular generally, and when put to the
first one hundred or so tests, the first one hundred
or so important votes this Tuesday, it didn't matter at
all because the final was Democrats one hundred, Republicans nothing.
They were just watching. It's either that or it's what
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I just said. Democrats want more Mamdani, less Cuomo, more Newsome,
less Schumer, more punches thrown, less moderate third way crap.
And by the way, you know what way the third
way is. The third way is losing badly. That's what
the third way is. First way is winning, Second way
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is losing. Third way is losing badly. I want this
new group running the Democrats first way. Other lessons, you
cannot fire all of northern Virginia and then win Virginia.
You cannot gestapo Latinos and win Latinos or most non Latinos.
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You can't starve America and win America. And you can't
threaten and abuse Jewish voters and win Jewish voters. Anybody
notice that Trump before the New York election, quote any
Jewish person that votes for Zorn Mamdani, a proven and
self professed Jew hater, is a stupid person. Anybody else
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notice the fir guy who claims to be a friend
to Jews, a protector of the Jewish people, an honorary jew.
Trump short calls Jewish people quote disloyal and quote ungrateful,
and quote stupid. A lot one last lesson. You know
why Mamdani won the messages. Obviously, the actual seven word
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templates all Democrats everywhere should run on your money issues
and Trump equals death. But the other part is almost
as simple. He looks and sounds like he's good at this,
good at campaigning, good at talking to actual people off
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the cuff, good at making government actually do good stuff.
Obama looked and sounded like that. John F. Kennedy looked
and sounded like that. Even Trump looked like a dumbed
down version of that. What bad people think a good
person looks and sounds like we underrate one word in
assessing everything in life, but especially in public life, The
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word is good. We delve and analyze and dissect and
cross tab and chew and punditize and rehash and dive,
and and we miss the essential. Most people are not
good at their jobs. Most TV shows are not good.
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Most films are not good. Most street repairs are not good.
Most food is not good. Not Most people are not
good at stuff, but especially when that stuff benefits others.
Charity stuff, public services stuff like the Motor Vehicles Bureau,
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and especially especially government. We're not looking for Christ fresh
off the cross to go and pave our streets with gold.
People just want a government that can keep the toilets
from overflowing. Thank you, Zoron, Mom, Donnie and Mikey, Cheryl
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and Abigail Spanberger. Though I'm watching you, thank you and
there there it is your mandate. Spread the gospel of
your money issues and Trump equals death, and Jesus Christ
keep the toilets from overflowing. Only one other thing I
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really wanted to mention. As you know, Dick Cheney has died.
There's enough sane washing going on without me adding to it.
I remember Dick Cheney for, you know, being the architect
of the plan to exploit nine to eleven as an
excuse to go into Iraq, which replaced the original Bush plan,
which was to just do it and say why just cuz.
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I remember Dick Cheney for being named by Bush to
chair the search committee to select Bush's vice president, and
Cheney came back and recommended himself. I have found that
I am the best candidate. And I remember him for
standing up at what sports people used to call nut
cutting time for America, Yes or no, capitalist socialist democracy
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or dictatorship. He chose capitalist socialist democracy. Good, finish up strong,
keep the world safe for people like Dick Cheney and
me to hate each other. And I remember him for
what he said in describing my friend Moe Roka when
Moe Raka hosted the radio and television correspondence Social Siation
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Dinner in DC in April two thousand and eight.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Among his other credits, Moe used to host a TV
show called Things I Hate About You. I'm sure I've
seen that program only I believe it's now called Countdown
with Keith Overman. Keith not here tonight to savor my company.
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But now some people hear that and say that means
Dick Cheney hated me. And some people hear that and
say that means Dick Cheney believed I hated him, and
I say, can't we all get along? Both of those
mean I pissed Dick Cheney off when he was vice president.
And that that clip right there, that was when I
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knew my work there was done. Rest in peace, Dick Cheney,
I guess, because yes, it can be a floor wax
and a dessert topping. That is what makes America great.
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Saturday Night Live reference if you don't get it by now.
Also of interest here, Winsome Earl Sears lost the race
for governor of Virginia by fifteen points in a state
the Republican Party won four years ago this month by
two points. So I would never metaphorically kick a candidate,
even a crazy maga lunatic while they're down. Hell, I wouldn't.
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She shares worst person honors. That's next. This is an
all new Landslide edition of Countdown. This is Countdown with
Keith Olberman still ahead on his all new edition of Countdown.
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There is yet another new committee to nominate and elect
new members of Baseball's Hall of fame, about which the
odds are pretty good you care nothing. However, you may
be entertained by the story of one of the previous committees,
which once elected at least once elected a new member
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of Baseball's Hall of Fame by accident via something referred
to as courtesy votes, because they wanted to make one
of their guys who wasn't quite a Hall of Famer
feel good, and too many of them decided to vote
for him to make him feel good, and now he's
got a plaque at the Hall of Fame. I also
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have thoughts on the actual nominees and the process, and
what could be done to fix it, and why they
will never fix it. It's a deliberate choice ahead in
sports first, believe it or not. There's still more new
idiots to talk about. The roundup of the miscrants, morons
and Dunning Krug effect specimens who constitute today's other worst
persons in the world at the Bronze Laura Lumer. I
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don't know quite how history will look at Laura Lumer.
I suspect it will be looking at her briefly and soon,
as in she will soon be history. She's now a
Pentagon correspondent for I made it up news. I don't know.
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I don't know. I don't understand any of it. She's repulsive, stupid,
and servile. What I don't understand is why she's not
vice president. Laura Lumer, though, has now and this is
a theme for today, has now crossed some sort of
rubicon in which she is pissing off the people who
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put her where she is. Roger Stone, somehow still alive,
was her role model and to some degree her mentor.
And roger Stone something happened that caused him to post this.
I have never taken a penny to post anything on
social media. Laura Lumer takes thousands and thousands of dollars
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to front for others and spread their lies. Who is
paying you? Laura? You won't be able to double talk
your way out of this. You're not that smart. Answer
the question who are you? His word not mine? Warring
for Laura roger Stone three point fifty nine am Jacob
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Marley's ghost came to visit roger Stone and is oddly shaped. Huh.
And if that were not enough, there is the runner up?
Were sir? All those in his history who supported Tucker Carlson?
And we'll just take Ben Shapiro out, because he's the
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latest guy to sit here going I never knew Tucker
Carlson was the devil? My god, where have you people been?
I'll read this from Oliver Darcy's newsletter The magas civil
war that erupted last week is showing no signs of
letting up. On Monday, the Daily Wires, Ben Shapiro dedicated
his entire show to go scorched Earth on Tucker Carlson
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over his decision to host the Holocaust denying white nationalist
Nick Fuentes for a softball chat halcost denying white nationalists.
He's an anti Semite. He's called himself an anti Semite.
He's slime, he's scum. Shapiro slammed Carlson as quote an
intellectual cower, a dishonest interlocutor, and a terrible friend. Yeah,
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and blamed him for Nazism being normalized within the mainstream
Republican Party. Yeah. And he didn't stop there, Shapiro said.
Carlson quote was aided, a betted, celebrated for normalizing Nazism
within the Republican Party by the Heritage Foundation. Quote. The
issue here is that Tucker Carlson decided to normalize and
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fluff Nick Fuentes, and that the Heritage Foundation then decided
to robustly defend that performance. Waiter, are you telling me
the Heritage Foundation is corrupt and full of Nazi adjacent people, really,
and that Tucker Carlson is a dishonest coward? Really? I
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mean Tucker Carlson fired by literally all the cable news
networks from prominent shows on each one of them in
a span of less than twenty years after rising to
the top at all three of them fired not always
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contract ran out, oh oh, Alberman always likes to leave jobs. No, no, no,
fired like one day there, one day not there. The
surprise by people like Ben Shapiro, the Ben Shapiro's and
the Roger Stones and the Donald Trumps and everybody else
Tucker Carlson has not changed your ability to lie to
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yourselves that Tucker Carlson was not this anti semi adjacent
bastard with no redeeming qualities whatsoever. And that maniacal laugh
of his was not some sort of performance. It was
the result of something wrong with his brain that has
always been there. And by the way, is the second
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generation Carlson who is like this. His father was just
the same way. The problem here, We've already established that
Tucker Carlson is slime and scum. The problem here Roger
Stone with Laura Lumer. The problem here Ben Shapiro with Carlson.
Tucker Carlson is you, not him, as I believe it was.
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Marcus aureli has pointed out every day in the world
you see deceit, dishonesty, retribution, selfishness, vice, corruption, And yet
you're surprised, at what point does that become your fault?
Love that, Marcus Aurelius. And still there are two people
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who are worse who share today's worst persons in the
World Championship. A guy named Charlie Hurt, who appears on
Fox News as a sometimes host. He was started his
career in journal so to speak, as a scab during
the Detroit Times strike of nineteen ninety five, and later worse.
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He was the DC editor of the New York Post
and an early Trumpist, and he was interviewing Winsome Earl Sears,
the Republican candidate for governor of Virginia, the woman who
laughed at the idea that because she was anti LG TBq,
that this was some sort of prejudice on her part
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and just said, it's not prejudice, it's reality. I mean,
not a stable not of this earth. This woman winsome
Earl Series and they share the award because Charlie Hurt
The nice thing again, I suppose I shouldn't really come
down so hard on Ben Shapiro and Rogerstone, because the
nice thing is to see the look of shock on
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the face of the people who realize that these really
dangerous and bigoted individuals that they have supported are both
dangerous and bigoted. And boy, oh boy, Charlie Hurt sure
revealed himself and win some Earl Sears sure revealed herself
in this interview. You should look it up. You should
watch the video. It's really bad. It's so bad that
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it would not get applause from Trump. Charlie Hurt said,
we did go through years of lectures about how it
was important to vote for Barack Obama as this historic
black candidate for him to have an opportunity to help
out the first black female governor. Explain to me, he said,
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to win some Earl Sears. I can't square this. The
gist of what he was saying was he could not
understand why Barack Obama did not support the Republican nutjob
wins Earl Sears merely because she was black, and she
of course agreed with this. Last year, she said, he
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told everybody to vote for the black woman. Well here
I here, I am, and now he's singing a different tune.
Hypocrisy all the way. The fundamental issue, of course, was
that there needed to be some diversity within a party
and among candidates. But you shouldn't have voted for Barack Obama,
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and he said as much if you did not agree
with at least most of the ideas that he stood for.
This seems to have eluded Winsome Earl Sears, along with
most of the rest of life here on this dimension,
And it seems to have eluded Charlie Hurt, who thinks
that everybody voted for Obama because he was black. So
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by that logic, Winsome Earl Sears, you voted for Kamala
Harris last year and this guy Hurt, the Detroit Times guy,
he voted for Abigail Spanber in the Virginia race because
he and Spanberger are both white. Is that what you're
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telling me, win Some Earl Sears, moron Charlie Hurt scab
two days worst persons. Wait to hear this baseball story
in the world.
Speaker 3 (34:59):
This is Sports Senate. Wait, check that not anymore. This
is Countdown with Keith Ulberman in Sportsball Center tonight. You
heard the phrase inside baseball, I mean used in a
non baseball context, inside baseball. It comes from baseball. It's
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about stuff that's so inside the game, so meaningful only
to people who really follow it that it tends to
be a little arcane or boring for people who do
not follow baseball intently. However, I do have one hook
that may interest you in the subject of the latest
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Baseball Hall of Fame Veteran's ballot. They've nominated eight fairly
recent players, players whose careers began or prominence began anyway
nineteen eighty or later. For me, those are my friends.
For you, they may be figures from base ball's ancient
past who might as well have played in eighteen sixty six. Nevertheless,
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I always think of the same story whenever a new
veterans committee gets together to try to decide who is
a Baseball Hall of Famer and who is not. In
the seventies and eighties, there was one committee the Veterans
Committee that included some of the great luminaries of the
gink game, including Ted Williams, who used to vote on
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who else got into the Hall of Fame besides him.
And one of the things Ted Williams did constantly was
vote for his friends, vote for those few players that
he had personal respect for who tended to be pitchers
who were able to get him out. He four years
voted annually for a pitcher from Cleveland named mel Harder,
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who pitched for twenty years and then was a very
successful pitching coach, but whose lifetime record was about five hundred.
He won as many as he lost. There was anything
exceptional about his strikeout tos or his modern day subtle statistics,
or his game result statistics, or any of the metrics
that are used to assess pictures today. But Ted Williams
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couldn't get a hit off of him to save his life.
And therefore, to Ted Williams, that made mel Haarder a
Hall of Famer. But the other thing that Ted Williams did,
and many of his contemporaries on the old Veterans Committee,
and this is a legend more than it is a
factually documented story, but I believe after forty years or
fifty years of hearing this story, I believe it is true.
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They also, besides constantly having to tamp down Ted's enthusiasm
for otherwise obscure players he just wasn't any good against,
they had to keep him from doing what he liked
to do, which was to throw a vote to those
friends who he didn't really think were Hall of famers,
but he wanted them to know somebody voted for them.
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These were called courtesy votes, And here after year, somebody
on the Hall of Fame Veterans Committee would issue a
courtesy vote for a long time catcher and Detroit Tigers
executive named Rick Ferrell, supposedly one of the true gentlemen
of the game and a player who I believe lasted
eighteen years as a catcher in the American League, even
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though I think he only played in one hundred games
in the one hundred and fifty four game schedule of
the time once or twice in his life. He was
sort of a regular player, but not really and he
certainly was not an All Star, and he certainly was
not a Hall of Famer. And every year Ted Williams
would say to his friends on the committee. All right,
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who's casting the courtesy vote for Rick Ferrell? Or let's
get Rick three votes this year when I guess whatever
six or seven were needed for election, and inevitably, I guess,
given the amount of alcohol that might have been consumed
at these annual meetings and the Hall of Fame voters.
The baseballs don't meet, They just mail in ballots. But
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the members of the Veterans Committee used to meet in person,
usually in Florida, usually starting at lunch with alcohol and
concluding sometime after dinner with alcohol. They would get together
and then they would vote, and people would forget what
they were supposed to vote and who they were supposed
to vote for. And there came the announcement that if say,
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the threshold for votes for election for anybody that year
was seven votes, there it was Rick Ferrell eight votes.
Speaker 1 (39:37):
Look him up. Rick Ferrell is in the Baseball Hall
of Fame. Supposedly, that is how a great and very
popular but not quite Hall of Fame shortstop named Rabbit
Moranville got into the Hall of Fame. But I don't
have many details about that. The Rick Ferrell story I
have from one witness who says what he remembers of
that rather sauced evening consisted of what I just told you.
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So anytime there is an announcement that there's going to
be a committee meeting to vote to elect new Hall
of famers, I keep thinking somebody's going to get in
by accident. Again. Yes, there it was the other day
the Baseball Hall of Fame announcing that it was going
to conduct another committee. Yet another variation. This is the
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Golden Age since the eighties vote, and the next year
will be the seventeenth century vote, and then the year
after that will be the people whose names start with
the letter Q vote. It's so stupid, complicated, inconsistent. It
gets changed every couple of years. And of course the
reason they do that is otherwise no one would be
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have any interest whatsoever in the Hall of Fame vote.
The controversy is about who's in the Hall of Fame
and who's not in the Hall of Fame will never
be resolved because they managed to keep you talking about it.
I'm talking about it now. I happen to be talking
about something a little bit more again arcane, but I'm
still talking about it. And if they had perfected which
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would probably be easily done a system for the Hall
of Fame that would satisfy everybody. People would stop arguing
about it. They just say, well, the system produces x
number of Hall of Famers every year or people with
these kind of credentials. Yay, that's the way they do it.
In Japan, there is a statistical Hall of Fame. If
you get I don't know what the total is, three
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hundred and seventy five home runs, you are in the
statistical Hall of Fame and automatically in the general Hall
of Fame, and they are permitted to elect additional people
who don't meet those criteria statistically to the general Hall
of Fame, but there is an automatic threshold Hall of Fame.
One of my ideas that again would defeat the whole
purpose of the controversy, would be to have a four
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tiered Hall of Fame. You'd have that statistical Hall of
Fame in which I guess, if you hit six hundred homers,
you're in, and then they're It would be the all
time greats, the immortals, the Babe Ruths, the I guess
we're expecting Shoho Tani, but not quite yet. Folks like that.
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Henry Aaron, Roberto Clemente. Then there'd be a second tier,
or a third tier in this case for players who
were unable for whatever reason to complete their careers or
their expected careers. Pictures like Sandy Kofax, who retired at
age thirty because doctors said, the next pitch might not
only be your last, but you may use your arm
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for the last time throwing that pitch. You may literally
not be able to use your arm for anything. All
the nerves may be dead. And he went, I'm going
to quit, and he did, and his records do not
His compilation records do not match that of far lesser pitchers,
although he is considered perhaps the greatest five season pitcher
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of all time. But you could have a category of
Hall of famers who only had five great years for
whatever reason. The late catcher of the New York Yankees,
Thrman Munson, could fit into that because he died in
the middle of his eleventh season in Major League Baseball
and never fulfilled or went downhill from there because he
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was not alive to do so. The last category of
our four tier Hall of Fame would be everybody else
whose statistical performance is such that they should be in
the Hall of fame, but had some sort of blemish
in their personal conduct, Pete Rose gambling the problem with
underage dating, which I think we have to call it
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that legally, although it's probably closer to pedophilia Pete Rose,
As I said, Roger Clemens, Barry Bonds, the steroid users
of the late nineteen nineties and early two thousands, Shoolish
Joe Jackson and the other members of the nineteen nineteen
Chicago White Sox who were involved in a plot to
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throw the World Series that year. Some of them may
have thrown the World Series, and some of them may
have not thrown the World Series. Almost all of them
got money to do. So you could put them all
in there and they could be I don't know, in
a room that isn't totally lit, or they could have
bad portraits of themselves, or like I don't know, a
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sound of booing being piped into the room in which
their plaques would remain for eternity. But you would say,
all right, Pete Rose is in the Hall of Fame,
flawed human being who, oh, by the way, got more
hits than anybody else. So that's the solution, And of
course it will never be done because it would eliminate
most of the arguments, and then we wouldn't have these conversations.
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But back to the original point, I wanted to discuss
the qualifications of these eight guys again. This sorting out.
This latest category is players who achieved prominence in the
game after nineteen eighty, not owners, not managers players. This
is just on the field stuff. There'll be an owner
manager vote later seventy years from now. I don't know.
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I've completely lost the plot on what they are doing
to elect people to the Hall of Fame. Okay, here
are the nominees. Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens are on
the list. All that is needed from this committee is
seventy five percent of the vote and they are in
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the Hall of Fame despite everything that happened. And there's
no tiered structure now, so the plaque for Barry Bonds
probably would not say his head grew bigger at the
age of thirty three, even though that's physically impossible unless
you're doing human growth hormone. It probably wouldn't say that.
So he could get into the Hall of Fame, and
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somebody might be planning to cast a courtesy vote for
him right now, So Bonds and Clemens are there. Gary Sheffield,
who also at times faced accusations of deliberately throwing away
baseballs in protest to how his team was treating him
and deliberately using performance enhancing drugs, although nothing I believe
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in Sheffield's case was ever proved. Jeff Kent, a great
second baseman, considered to be a jackass generally speaking. Dale Murphy,
the exact opposite of that two time Most Valuable Player
of the Atlanta Braves, one of the most beloved figures
in sports anywhere in the last half century, and a
man who, after I believe, the first of those MVP awards,
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the moment the season ended, got on a plane and
went to Florida to play in the Instructional League because
he wasn't doing well enough the last month of the season.
I have asked Dale Murphy about this, a man I
have had the pleasure of knowing since the early eighties,
and he then says, well, to be fair, I'd had
a very bad finish to the season and I was
a little hurt. I needed basically to do some rehab
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and get my swing back. And I said, I don't
care why you were there. Nobody else in the history
of baseball has ever won the Most Valuable Player award
and then gone to the instructional league to work on
things to get better for the next year. So Murphy
is on that list, along with Carlos Delgado, who was
a good and power hitting catcher and first basement for
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the Toronto Blue Jays and the New York Mets. Don Mattingley,
who once again does not have a Hall of Fame ring,
even as a coach with the Toronto Blue Jays, and
the less I say about that probably the better. But
Don Mattingley, longtime first baseman for the Yankees, limited in
particular power numbers later on in his career because of
a bad back. In my Hall of Fame, he would
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get in in the limited career category. He would be
in those guys who did not do what they might
have done. He might be next to Addie Joss, the
great Cleveland pitcher of the early nineteen hundreds. Go and
look him up to see why. And then the eighth
nominee Fernando Valezuela, the legendary pitcher of the Los Angeles
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Dodgers who set LA a flame in nineteen eighty one
in a good sense when not expected to make the
Dodgers starting rotation, he wound up pitching Opening Day and
throwing a string of shutouts and creating Fernando Mania and
actually introducing almost for the first time, the Hispanic Latino
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crowd to the Dodgers. The Dodgers were not the darlings
of that audience until Fernando Valezuela came along, and Mexican
baseball players were not largely recruited or sought in Major
League Baseball until Fernando Valenzuela. The problem is, as with mattingly,
that there were limitations. Fernando Valenzuela was a great pitcher
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for three or four years, and then he began a
rather rapid decline that was hastened by injuries and by eating.
And he hung on for six or seven years, during
which he dropped down to mediocrity and getting released twice
or three times year. And yet he is a Hall
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of Fame nominee. There is a statistic that baseball people
use with varying degrees of confidence in it, called wins
above replacement war. It is a complicated formula that tries
to take in everything from a player's natural talent to
how he did and how that was influenced by how
his home ballpark fit him as opposed to not fitting
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other players, and what he did relative to the seasons
in which he played, which I think is a valuable barometer.
It comes up with one large number which can be
added to if you play twenty five years instead of twelve,
but which gives you Although I don't think I would
sign on to it as the only arbiter for who's
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better than whom, it does give you relative statistics. For instance,
Barry Bonds's war is one hundred and sixty two point eight,
Roger Clemens is one hundred and thirty nine point two.
Next on the ballot is Gary Sheffield sixty point five.
So Gary Sheffield, the third highest war among these eight
nominees is less than half of the second nominee, and
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it's just a little bit better than a third of
the first nominee. Jeff Kent fifty five point four, Dale
Murphy forty six point five, Delgado forty four point four,
Mattingly forty two point four, and Balezuela eighth at forty
one point four. I think among all of these I
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would not and could not still under these circumstances, vote
for Barry Bonds or for Roger Clemens. I cannot do it.
I do not know how much of their careers owes
to performance enhancing drugs. I do know that they made
a decision to go and use them, and like the
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Hall of Famer or would be Hall of Famer shoeless
Joe Jackson, no matter what you were when you made
that decision to do something morally bankrupt, you made the
decision to do something morally bankrupt. You do not get
credit for the time you were not morally bankrupt yet
kind of forfeit it. You only get one moral bankruptcy
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assessment unless you decided to come clean at the end
and ask for forgiveness. And we have not heard that
from Barry Bonds or Roger Clemens. I suspect if either
of them had at any point said yes, I use
these drugs, I was wrong. It threw the balance of
the game out of whack for the entirety of my career,
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and I hope nobody ever does them again. If they
had done that, I think they probably would have gotten
into the Hall of Fame legitimately and quickly, and could
still do that. But there is one thing about being
a competitor like those two men. That makes that impossible.
They could not do that. I would vote even though
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he is literally one quarter of the War of Barry Bonds.
I would vote for Dale Murphy. This is why I
don't have a vote for all my analysis, and I
think my baseball historian skills are comparable to almost anybody.
I do have personal prejudices. I've always been delighted to
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see Dale Murphy, and I'd like to see him in
the Hall of Fame. But if you are saying, Okay,
we're not going to count character, We're not going to
make that an issue. We're going to put Bonds and
Clemens on the ballot, Well, maybe maybe there should be
some extra credit given to the good guys of the game,
like Murphy. Maybe Murphy should be in the war the
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wins above replacement of ethics. Maybe he should be credited
with forty points. What I found most interesting among all
of these And no, I would not vote for Mattingly,
even though I've known him forever and he and I
have one running joke that dates to the mid nineties.
If you can imagine such a thing, I would not
vote for Mattingly under these circumstances. Although I would welcome
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him into a tiered Hall of Fame, I would also
not vote for Valezuela. Again, the same thing. If you're
going to have part of the Hall of Fame in
which a guy is the biggest figure in baseball and
changes the sport in one community for a while, yes
I could see it, but that's not the rules right now.
And again, if we're going to put in Valenzuela, we're
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going to put in Mattingly, We're going to put in
tim Linsecom, We're going to put in Buster your posey.
We're going to put in a lot of guys who
really don't have Hall of Fame careers but had Hall
of Fame five year spans. And again, there's a lot
of space in Cooperstown, New York. As they said in
a somewhat flawed movie in which a friend of mine,
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Josh Charles, appeared, called Cooperstown. It's a rural area. There's
lots of extra space in Cooperstown. Well, you could add
one hundred or two hundred Hall of famers and not
really have to knock any other buildings down. Why not,
why not have more Hall of Famers? Why not let
these guys charge more for their autographs. Why not say
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we don't have just three hundred or four hundred Hall
of Fame, we have five hundred Hall of Fame players.
What's the difference. So I'd like a big Hall of Fame.
But until we have a big Hall of Fame, I
can't vote for Fernando and I can't vote for Don Mattingly.
No on Carlos Delgado, No on Jeff Kent a good
second basement but not a great one, and no on
Gary Sheffield, in part because there are two guys of
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this era who are not nominated who I would actually
have as my second and third votes. Dwight Evans had
the best outfield arm I ever saw until the time
of Eachiro Suzuki. His war sixty seven point two would
place him third on this list, and Keith Hernandez, the
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first basement of the New York Mets and now their
commentator and first basement of the Saint Louis Cardinals, had
a war of sixty point four, which would put him
him right behind the number three guy on this list,
Gary Sheffield, at sixty point five. Keith Hernandez was the
most impressive and the most aggressive defensive player I have
ever seen. He played first base the way a really
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talented safety played safety in the National Football League, or
the way a pass rusher a linebacker like Dick Butkus
played that position in the National Football League, or the
way a good goaltender plays it in hockey. He said,
let me stop the offense. And he was a very
good hitter as well, and one time MVP of the
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National League. So that's the way I would do it.
But of course, as I said, if they were to
adopt my plans, which I have been proposing more or
less continuously since. Let me check my notes here. The
first article I wrote about redoing the Hall of Fame
vote was in oh nineteen a one. Oh no, that's
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not the first one. I wrote one in nineteen seventy
eight when Dale Murphy was a rookie. They still haven't
gotten around to approving it. In fact, every time they
talk about changes in the Hall of Fame, I don't
even get a goddamn courtesy vote. I do like that
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idea of having the Hall of Fame, though with a
Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens steroid era place, with Mark McGuire
and Pete Rose in it. Joe Jackson and a lot
of the other players who were thrown out of the
game for gambling and other nefarious acts. I like that,
and you keep the lights low, and you know, if
you really want to go in there, you have to,
like rent a flashlight. I think I'm onto something here.
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Could be the decline of my own mental faculties, but
I'm onto something. I've done all the damage I can
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just of it being in the old days, somebody who
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Day two hundred and ninety one of America held hostage
again and just seventy two days until the scheduled end
of his lame duck and lame brain term unless he
is removed sooner by MAGA and Jeffrey Epstein and the
pavement patch on his hand or tail and hall, or
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full night of sleep in more than one year, not
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an analogy. Literally Tuesday night, first full, uninterrupted, boring night
of sleep in more than a year. And what was
my reward to wake up to Trump beginning a climb
down from the shutdown? To wake up to Mayor elect
Mamdani and Governor elect Cheryl and Governor Elect Spanberger and
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PROMP fifty passing and every one of Virginia's ninety five
counties getting more blue. To wake up to the reality
that Trump has absolutely no idea, he got the shit
kicked out of him, and that Trump is deranged syndrome
is fatal, not fixable. To wake up to the reality
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that the real outcome of the elections in New York,
New Jersey, Virginia, California and everywhere else was Trump's sense
of permanence, his own sense that the murder he's been
getting away with he'll continue to get away with, and
the sense of his supporters, and the sense of the
moronic political media, and even the sense of some of
us resisting him. They're our sense that he will continue
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to get away with it. Gone. Permanence is the default
position of almost all politicians, and especially the corrupt and
stupid ones. Permanence is the default position of all mainstream
political reporters and analysts, and the higher up the food
chain they are, the more they cling to permanence Because Mortgages.
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I have long thought that the most perceptive analysis of
politicians ever anywhere was unintentional, and it is in the
last place you would look for it. The Beatles movie
help from the Leo McKern character, the hazily defined Eastern
religious sacrificial cult leader Klang. The sacrificial ring is missing.
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Klang says, something must be done without the ring. There
will be no sacrifice without the sacrifice. There will be
no congregation without the congregation. No more me. His deputy
then says this is so, so Klang hits him. Klang
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is Trump. Klang is also JV. Vance. Klang is also
Van Jones. Klang is also Eric Adams. Klang is also
Andrew Cuomo. Klang is also Chris Cuomo. Klang is also
Chris Matthew. Klang is also Matthew Iglesias. I could go on,
oh yeah, Klang is everybody on Fox, No more me.
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Trump wasn't on the ballot, Trump screamed in pain at
ten pm Tuesday night. And shut down were the two
reasons that Republicans lost elections tonight. Bullshit, poor Trump. There
is a news flash in there, and I'll get to
that in a moment, But first, while we are watching
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him squirm, let's remember to make him squirm even harder.
Trump not only was on the ballot every ballot, but
he was on the ballot in the worst possible way.
Everybody could vote no on him, but it was almost
impossible to vote yes. The lame duck politician's worst nightmare.
To paraphrase another unlikely source, the sixties and seventies political
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impressionist David Fry, a lame duck like Trump can only
accept blame. He cannot accept responsibility. As Fry said, and
he said it in an immaculate impersonation of Richard Nixon,
those who are to blame lose their jobs. Those who
are responsible do not. Trump is to blame. Actually, there
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are two newsflashes in what he said and wrote. The
second one is these results may increase slightly the chance
he goes full dictator, so there aren't any more elections
because he knows he's going to lose them all from
here on in whatever you think the odds are on
that maybe they went up one or two percent, But
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the more immediate news flash he repeated to Senate Republicans
in a White House breakfast yesterday, which if it did
not feature Trump throwing catchup at them, it could have.
In his panicked post, he blamed the shutdown to the
Republicans in the Senate. At the breakfast, he blamed the shutdown. He,
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quoting the report, said that the GOP is getting hurt
more by the shutdown than Democrats because they are in
charge in Washington. Per source. Well, it's finally happened on
one issue, the shutdown. Trump is, of course, one hundred
percent correct. He may be wrong about nearly everything. He
is usually either repeating something he misheard in nineteen seventy
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two or something that happened to him in a dream
in nineteen fifty five. He may have just again told
the media that you can't buy gas or groceries without ID,
possibly because the last time he actually bought groceries with mommy,
she paid by check and you had to show the
manager and ID to use the check, which is how
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it worked in the sixties. I know I was there.
My mommy did it too. Of course, the Republicans are
blamed for the sho shut down. Trump is blamed for
the shutdown. It's their shutdown. But Trump still believes this
is fixable by eliminating the filibuster because Trump's Republicans may
differ from say, Dick Cheney's Republicans in a million ways,
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but one core way they are identical is they are
fully committed to the bit. If you do something evil
and it doesn't work, if it doesn't scare people into
voting for you, your mistake clearly was it wasn't evil enough.
Do it more, do it worse. Whatever doesn't work, do
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it again, do it more. Senate Republicans will not nuke
the filibuster for the same reason that Kirsten Cinema would
not nuke the filibuster, and the same reason most mainstream
Democrats won't nuke the philibuster, but just won't say so.
The filibuster is the only thing that keeps the Senate
alive at every crossroads on the path that leads to
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the future. The Belgian poet Maurice Metterlink wrote, each progressive
spirit is opposed by a thousand men appointed to guard
the past. The Senate is only one hundred of them,
men and women appointed to guard the past. But that's
who Metalink meant. If they cannot build a dam against
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every reform, if there isn't a now impossible to reach
majority of sixty on nearly everything, the House will go
from about twenty percent of national legislative power to about
ninety percent. The Senate won't count anymore. How is a
minority party senator supposed to sell his vote if his
vote can no longer cause the toilets to overflow? At
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every crossroads on the path that leads to the future,
each progressive spirit is opposed by a thousand men appointed
to make sure the toilets overflow. A kind of doubt,
Trump quoted Metterlink even my revised version of Metalink. When
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Lindsey Graham allegedly yelled at him yesterday about the filibuster,
I kind of doubt. Graham even quoted Klang. Maybe the
part about now ma R may, but you get the
point that he has been repudiated has not yet fully
dawned on Trump, but that the shutdown has been repudiated
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that has dawned on him. He realizes that what he
thought was a plus is in fact a disaster. He
has a solution to this, shoot the filibuster and get
everything he wants done and done now, but not even
his Senate Todys will do that. He will eventually, therefore,
panic and move to another solution. He alone can end
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the shutdown. He will sell out his Senate toadies. He
will make Mike Johnson look like an id to the
twenty two percent of the country that does not yet
know he's an idiot. He will proclaim himself a hero.
It will be like Trump and China and the soybeans.
Look at me, I'm the hero. I just got the
Chinese to agree to buy as many soybeans as they
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were buying before I created this crisis. Look at me,
I'm the hero. I just got the government to be open,
just like it was before I created the crisis where
it closed. Me me me iy iy i, Trump Trump, Trump, Okay.
Out of the weeds, into the lessons, the lessons of
the democratic landslide. First, socialism was not on the ballot
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democratic socialist. That has that This country has been capitalist
socialist for at least ninety two years since FDR was
sworn in maybe since nineteen thirteen, when the sixteenth Amendment
passed and we established a federal income tax. Maybe seventeen
six Keep your goddamn government hands off, my socialist medicare off,
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my socialist medicaid off, my socialist social security off, my
socialist blues state support for financially insoluble red states Mam
Donnie a socialist. Did you see the exit polls in
New York? Do you consider yourself a democratic socialist? Sixty
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nine percent of New York's voters said no, twenty five
percent said yes. Three percent of New York voters who
said yes, we're democratic socialists also said we're voting for
Andrew Cuomo. The word socialism is meaningless. Mamdanni beat the
shit out of Cuomo. The old school corrupt, antidiluvian machine
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politics typical craft shack New York Democrat in the primary
and after the old school corrupt, antidiluvian machine political typical
crap shack billionaires like Mike Bloomberg and Bill Ackman spent
tens of millions of dollars to prop up the old
school corrupt, antidiluvian machine politics typical crapshack New York Democrat
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and got three quarters of Republicans to vote for him.
After that, after making Cuomo the Fusion all Evil Parties candidate,
and got seven out of ten Trump supporters in New
York to vote for Cuomo. Even after all that, ma'am
Danny beat the shit out of him again. Lesson here,
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Trump is undiluted, untreatable political death in blue states. He is, though,
becoming political death in Purple states. He is moving inexorably
towards becoming political death in red states. This is what
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we found out during the Democratic landslide. The other lessons,
Ma'm donnie ran on your money issues and that Trump
equals death. Not difficult, easy to remember, useful on all occasions.
Your money issues and Trump equals death. Worked in New York,
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where they elected a socialist who got majority support from
Democrats who aren't socialists. Worked in Virginia where they elected
as governor and ex congresswomen born in Jersey. Worked in
Jersey where they elected as governor and ex congress woman
born in Virginia. Your money issues and Trump equals death,
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both of them useful on all occasions. It's a floor
wax and a dessert topping. Other lessons Chuck Schumer resign
at least a Senate I'm an already leader. You were
one of metterlinks thousand men appointed to guard the past.
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Guess what the future got passed you? Resign, Get out
of the way. David Axelrod and Van Jones, who criticized
mom Donnie's victory speech, let me paraphrase you had another
pop reference another movie, The Sweet Smell of Success. Burt
Lancaster is the monstrous gossip columnist JJ Hunsecker, Van David,
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your politically dead son, get yourself buried. Governor elect Spanberger, congratulations,
Now fix the toilet that you cause to overflow. Why
is it that everybody keeps thinking somebody running in a city,
admittedly an enormous city, that that is the deciding race. Well,
maybe governor elect, because right now, in all of Virginia
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forty two thousand square miles, the population is only three
hundred and thirty three thousand people more than in New
York City four hundred and sixty eight square miles. Asked
about mom Donnie saying he had won the fight for
the soul of the future of the Democratic Party, probably
a boast that he didn't need to make. Spanberger reposted,
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then maybe he should be a Democrat, Madam Governor elect
stfu a new rule here. We are here to save democracy.
We are here to end the Trumpsts. We are here
to save America, not to polish our own asses. Trump
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fired thousands of Virginians and backed a raving lunatic who
had a one issue campaign that apparently only she and
Riley Gaines given f about maybe you could chill on
taking potshots at Mam Donnie and get back to business
having been gifted a landslide by Donald Trump. Or or
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go ahead, get on the Chuck Schumer bandwagon. And I
mean that literally. I come completely believe now that Chuck
Schumer travels by horse drawn bandwagon. Whoa slow down? We
must be going eight nine miles an hour, Gabby, No
human can survive this speed. Other other lessons more philosophical.
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The pundits were wrong. Of course, the pundits were wrong.
The rule of punditry is only leaped to the most obvious,
least uncertain conclusion. A poll shows the Democratic Party is
less popular than it used to be. Well, that must
be because nobody wants to vote Democratic orherever will vote
Democratic again, Except if you'd read the second line of
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the story. The second line on the poll result indicated
that most of those who were dissatisfied with the Democratic
Party were Democrats who thought that the Democrats were not
fighting hard enough against Trump and the economic disaster of
our times. Look, there are only two possibilities for that
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the Democratic brand is damaged. Bullshit. It's either that, Yes,
Democrats are less popular generally, and when put to the
first one hundred or so tests, the first one hundred
or so important votes this Tuesday, it didn't matter at
all because the final was Democrats one hundred, Republicans nothing.
They were just watching. It's either that or it's what
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I just said. Democrats want more Mamdani, less Cuomo, more Newsome,
less Schumer, more punches thrown, less moderate third way crap.
And by the way, you know what way the third
way is. The third way is losing badly. That's what
the third way is. First way is winning, Second way
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is losing. Third way is losing badly. I want this
new group running the Democrats first way. Other lessons, you
cannot fire all of northern Virginia and then win Virginia.
You cannot gestapo Latinos and win Latinos or most non Latinos.
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You can't starve America and win America. And you can't
threaten and abuse Jewish voters and win Jewish voters. Anybody
notice that Trump before the New York election, quote any
Jewish person that votes for Zorn Mamdani, a proven and
self professed Jew hater, is a stupid person. Anybody else
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notice the fir guy who claims to be a friend
to Jews, a protector of the Jewish people, an honorary jew.
Trump short calls Jewish people quote disloyal and quote ungrateful,
and quote stupid. A lot one last lesson. You know
why Mamdani won the messages. Obviously, the actual seven word
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templates all Democrats everywhere should run on your money issues
and Trump equals death. But the other part is almost
as simple. He looks and sounds like he's good at this,
good at campaigning, good at talking to actual people off
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the cuff, good at making government actually do good stuff.
Obama looked and sounded like that. John F. Kennedy looked
and sounded like that. Even Trump looked like a dumbed
down version of that. What bad people think a good
person looks and sounds like we underrate one word in
assessing everything in life, but especially in public life, The
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word is good. We delve and analyze and dissect and
cross tab and chew and punditize and rehash and dive,
and and we miss the essential. Most people are not
good at their jobs. Most TV shows are not good.
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Most films are not good. Most street repairs are not good.
Most food is not good. Not Most people are not
good at stuff, but especially when that stuff benefits others.
Charity stuff, public services stuff like the Motor Vehicles Bureau,
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and especially especially government. We're not looking for Christ fresh
off the cross to go and pave our streets with gold.
People just want a government that can keep the toilets
from overflowing. Thank you, Zoron, Mom, Donnie and Mikey, Cheryl
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and Abigail Spanberger. Though I'm watching you, thank you and
there there it is your mandate. Spread the gospel of
your money issues and Trump equals death, and Jesus Christ
keep the toilets from overflowing. Only one other thing I
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really wanted to mention. As you know, Dick Cheney has died.
There's enough sane washing going on without me adding to it.
I remember Dick Cheney for, you know, being the architect
of the plan to exploit nine to eleven as an
excuse to go into Iraq, which replaced the original Bush plan,
which was to just do it and say why just cuz.
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I remember Dick Cheney for being named by Bush to
chair the search committee to select Bush's vice president, and
Cheney came back and recommended himself. I have found that
I am the best candidate. And I remember him for
standing up at what sports people used to call nut
cutting time for America, Yes or no, capitalist socialist democracy
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or dictatorship. He chose capitalist socialist democracy. Good, finish up strong,
keep the world safe for people like Dick Cheney and
me to hate each other. And I remember him for
what he said in describing my friend Moe Roka when
Moe Raka hosted the radio and television correspondence Social Siation
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Dinner in DC in April two thousand and eight.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Among his other credits, Moe used to host a TV
show called Things I Hate About You. I'm sure I've
seen that program only I believe it's now called Countdown
with Keith Overman. Keith not here tonight to savor my company.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
But now some people hear that and say that means
Dick Cheney hated me. And some people hear that and
say that means Dick Cheney believed I hated him, and
I say, can't we all get along? Both of those
mean I pissed Dick Cheney off when he was vice president.
And that that clip right there, that was when I
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knew my work there was done. Rest in peace, Dick Cheney,
I guess, because yes, it can be a floor wax
and a dessert topping. That is what makes America great.
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Saturday Night Live reference if you don't get it by now.
Also of interest here, Winsome Earl Sears lost the race
for governor of Virginia by fifteen points in a state
the Republican Party won four years ago this month by
two points. So I would never metaphorically kick a candidate,
even a crazy maga lunatic while they're down. Hell, I wouldn't.
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She shares worst person honors. That's next. This is an
all new Landslide edition of Countdown. This is Countdown with
Keith Olberman still ahead on his all new edition of Countdown.
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There is yet another new committee to nominate and elect
new members of Baseball's Hall of fame, about which the
odds are pretty good you care nothing. However, you may
be entertained by the story of one of the previous committees,
which once elected at least once elected a new member
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of Baseball's Hall of Fame by accident via something referred
to as courtesy votes, because they wanted to make one
of their guys who wasn't quite a Hall of Famer
feel good, and too many of them decided to vote
for him to make him feel good, and now he's
got a plaque at the Hall of Fame. I also
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have thoughts on the actual nominees and the process, and
what could be done to fix it, and why they
will never fix it. It's a deliberate choice ahead in
sports first, believe it or not. There's still more new
idiots to talk about. The roundup of the miscrants, morons
and Dunning Krug effect specimens who constitute today's other worst
persons in the world at the Bronze Laura Lumer. I
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don't know quite how history will look at Laura Lumer.
I suspect it will be looking at her briefly and soon,
as in she will soon be history. She's now a
Pentagon correspondent for I made it up news. I don't know.
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I don't know. I don't understand any of it. She's repulsive, stupid,
and servile. What I don't understand is why she's not
vice president. Laura Lumer, though, has now and this is
a theme for today, has now crossed some sort of
rubicon in which she is pissing off the people who
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put her where she is. Roger Stone, somehow still alive,
was her role model and to some degree her mentor.
And roger Stone something happened that caused him to post this.
I have never taken a penny to post anything on
social media. Laura Lumer takes thousands and thousands of dollars
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to front for others and spread their lies. Who is
paying you? Laura? You won't be able to double talk
your way out of this. You're not that smart. Answer
the question who are you? His word not mine? Warring
for Laura roger Stone three point fifty nine am Jacob
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Marley's ghost came to visit roger Stone and is oddly shaped. Huh.
And if that were not enough, there is the runner up?
Were sir? All those in his history who supported Tucker Carlson?
And we'll just take Ben Shapiro out, because he's the
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latest guy to sit here going I never knew Tucker
Carlson was the devil? My god, where have you people been?
I'll read this from Oliver Darcy's newsletter The magas civil
war that erupted last week is showing no signs of
letting up. On Monday, the Daily Wires, Ben Shapiro dedicated
his entire show to go scorched Earth on Tucker Carlson
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over his decision to host the Holocaust denying white nationalist
Nick Fuentes for a softball chat halcost denying white nationalists.
He's an anti Semite. He's called himself an anti Semite.
He's slime, he's scum. Shapiro slammed Carlson as quote an
intellectual cower, a dishonest interlocutor, and a terrible friend. Yeah,
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and blamed him for Nazism being normalized within the mainstream
Republican Party. Yeah. And he didn't stop there, Shapiro said.
Carlson quote was aided, a betted, celebrated for normalizing Nazism
within the Republican Party by the Heritage Foundation. Quote. The
issue here is that Tucker Carlson decided to normalize and
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fluff Nick Fuentes, and that the Heritage Foundation then decided
to robustly defend that performance. Waiter, are you telling me
the Heritage Foundation is corrupt and full of Nazi adjacent people, really,
and that Tucker Carlson is a dishonest coward? Really? I
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mean Tucker Carlson fired by literally all the cable news
networks from prominent shows on each one of them in
a span of less than twenty years after rising to
the top at all three of them fired not always
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contract ran out, oh oh, Alberman always likes to leave jobs. No, no, no,
fired like one day there, one day not there. The
surprise by people like Ben Shapiro, the Ben Shapiro's and
the Roger Stones and the Donald Trumps and everybody else
Tucker Carlson has not changed your ability to lie to
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yourselves that Tucker Carlson was not this anti semi adjacent
bastard with no redeeming qualities whatsoever. And that maniacal laugh
of his was not some sort of performance. It was
the result of something wrong with his brain that has
always been there. And by the way, is the second
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generation Carlson who is like this. His father was just
the same way. The problem here, We've already established that
Tucker Carlson is slime and scum. The problem here Roger
Stone with Laura Lumer. The problem here Ben Shapiro with Carlson.
Tucker Carlson is you, not him, as I believe it was.
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Marcus aureli has pointed out every day in the world
you see deceit, dishonesty, retribution, selfishness, vice, corruption, And yet
you're surprised, at what point does that become your fault?
Love that, Marcus Aurelius. And still there are two people
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who are worse who share today's worst persons in the
World Championship. A guy named Charlie Hurt, who appears on
Fox News as a sometimes host. He was started his
career in journal so to speak, as a scab during
the Detroit Times strike of nineteen ninety five, and later worse.
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He was the DC editor of the New York Post
and an early Trumpist, and he was interviewing Winsome Earl Sears,
the Republican candidate for governor of Virginia, the woman who
laughed at the idea that because she was anti LG TBq,
that this was some sort of prejudice on her part
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and just said, it's not prejudice, it's reality. I mean,
not a stable not of this earth. This woman winsome
Earl Series and they share the award because Charlie Hurt
The nice thing again, I suppose I shouldn't really come
down so hard on Ben Shapiro and Rogerstone, because the
nice thing is to see the look of shock on
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the face of the people who realize that these really
dangerous and bigoted individuals that they have supported are both
dangerous and bigoted. And boy, oh boy, Charlie Hurt sure
revealed himself and win some Earl Sears sure revealed herself
in this interview. You should look it up. You should
watch the video. It's really bad. It's so bad that
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it would not get applause from Trump. Charlie Hurt said,
we did go through years of lectures about how it
was important to vote for Barack Obama as this historic
black candidate for him to have an opportunity to help
out the first black female governor. Explain to me, he said,
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to win some Earl Sears. I can't square this. The
gist of what he was saying was he could not
understand why Barack Obama did not support the Republican nutjob
wins Earl Sears merely because she was black, and she
of course agreed with this. Last year, she said, he
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told everybody to vote for the black woman. Well here
I here, I am, and now he's singing a different tune.
Hypocrisy all the way. The fundamental issue, of course, was
that there needed to be some diversity within a party
and among candidates. But you shouldn't have voted for Barack Obama,
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and he said as much if you did not agree
with at least most of the ideas that he stood for.
This seems to have eluded Winsome Earl Sears, along with
most of the rest of life here on this dimension,
And it seems to have eluded Charlie Hurt, who thinks
that everybody voted for Obama because he was black. So
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by that logic, Winsome Earl Sears, you voted for Kamala
Harris last year and this guy Hurt, the Detroit Times guy,
he voted for Abigail Spanber in the Virginia race because
he and Spanberger are both white. Is that what you're
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telling me, win Some Earl Sears, moron Charlie Hurt scab
two days worst persons. Wait to hear this baseball story
in the world.
Speaker 3 (34:59):
This is Sports Senate. Wait, check that not anymore. This
is Countdown with Keith Ulberman in Sportsball Center tonight. You
heard the phrase inside baseball, I mean used in a
non baseball context, inside baseball. It comes from baseball. It's
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about stuff that's so inside the game, so meaningful only
to people who really follow it that it tends to
be a little arcane or boring for people who do
not follow baseball intently. However, I do have one hook
that may interest you in the subject of the latest
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Baseball Hall of Fame Veteran's ballot. They've nominated eight fairly
recent players, players whose careers began or prominence began anyway
nineteen eighty or later. For me, those are my friends.
For you, they may be figures from base ball's ancient
past who might as well have played in eighteen sixty six. Nevertheless,
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I always think of the same story whenever a new
veterans committee gets together to try to decide who is
a Baseball Hall of Famer and who is not. In
the seventies and eighties, there was one committee the Veterans
Committee that included some of the great luminaries of the
gink game, including Ted Williams, who used to vote on
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who else got into the Hall of Fame besides him.
And one of the things Ted Williams did constantly was
vote for his friends, vote for those few players that
he had personal respect for who tended to be pitchers
who were able to get him out. He four years
voted annually for a pitcher from Cleveland named mel Harder,
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who pitched for twenty years and then was a very
successful pitching coach, but whose lifetime record was about five hundred.
He won as many as he lost. There was anything
exceptional about his strikeout tos or his modern day subtle statistics,
or his game result statistics, or any of the metrics
that are used to assess pictures today. But Ted Williams
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couldn't get a hit off of him to save his life.
And therefore, to Ted Williams, that made mel Haarder a
Hall of Famer. But the other thing that Ted Williams did,
and many of his contemporaries on the old Veterans Committee,
and this is a legend more than it is a
factually documented story, but I believe after forty years or
fifty years of hearing this story, I believe it is true.
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They also, besides constantly having to tamp down Ted's enthusiasm
for otherwise obscure players he just wasn't any good against,
they had to keep him from doing what he liked
to do, which was to throw a vote to those
friends who he didn't really think were Hall of famers,
but he wanted them to know somebody voted for them.
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These were called courtesy votes, And here after year, somebody
on the Hall of Fame Veterans Committee would issue a
courtesy vote for a long time catcher and Detroit Tigers
executive named Rick Ferrell, supposedly one of the true gentlemen
of the game and a player who I believe lasted
eighteen years as a catcher in the American League, even
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though I think he only played in one hundred games
in the one hundred and fifty four game schedule of
the time once or twice in his life. He was
sort of a regular player, but not really and he
certainly was not an All Star, and he certainly was
not a Hall of Famer. And every year Ted Williams
would say to his friends on the committee. All right,
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who's casting the courtesy vote for Rick Ferrell? Or let's
get Rick three votes this year when I guess whatever
six or seven were needed for election, and inevitably, I guess,
given the amount of alcohol that might have been consumed
at these annual meetings and the Hall of Fame voters.
The baseballs don't meet, They just mail in ballots. But
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the members of the Veterans Committee used to meet in person,
usually in Florida, usually starting at lunch with alcohol and
concluding sometime after dinner with alcohol. They would get together
and then they would vote, and people would forget what
they were supposed to vote and who they were supposed
to vote for. And there came the announcement that if say,
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the threshold for votes for election for anybody that year
was seven votes, there it was Rick Ferrell eight votes.
Speaker 1 (39:37):
Look him up. Rick Ferrell is in the Baseball Hall
of Fame. Supposedly, that is how a great and very
popular but not quite Hall of Fame shortstop named Rabbit
Moranville got into the Hall of Fame. But I don't
have many details about that. The Rick Ferrell story I
have from one witness who says what he remembers of
that rather sauced evening consisted of what I just told you.
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So anytime there is an announcement that there's going to
be a committee meeting to vote to elect new Hall
of famers, I keep thinking somebody's going to get in
by accident. Again. Yes, there it was the other day
the Baseball Hall of Fame announcing that it was going
to conduct another committee. Yet another variation. This is the
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Golden Age since the eighties vote, and the next year
will be the seventeenth century vote, and then the year
after that will be the people whose names start with
the letter Q vote. It's so stupid, complicated, inconsistent. It
gets changed every couple of years. And of course the
reason they do that is otherwise no one would be
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have any interest whatsoever in the Hall of Fame vote.
The controversy is about who's in the Hall of Fame
and who's not in the Hall of Fame will never
be resolved because they managed to keep you talking about it.
I'm talking about it now. I happen to be talking
about something a little bit more again arcane, but I'm
still talking about it. And if they had perfected which
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would probably be easily done a system for the Hall
of Fame that would satisfy everybody. People would stop arguing
about it. They just say, well, the system produces x
number of Hall of Famers every year or people with
these kind of credentials. Yay, that's the way they do it.
In Japan, there is a statistical Hall of Fame. If
you get I don't know what the total is, three
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hundred and seventy five home runs, you are in the
statistical Hall of Fame and automatically in the general Hall
of Fame, and they are permitted to elect additional people
who don't meet those criteria statistically to the general Hall
of Fame, but there is an automatic threshold Hall of Fame.
One of my ideas that again would defeat the whole
purpose of the controversy, would be to have a four
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tiered Hall of Fame. You'd have that statistical Hall of
Fame in which I guess, if you hit six hundred homers,
you're in, and then they're It would be the all
time greats, the immortals, the Babe Ruths, the I guess
we're expecting Shoho Tani, but not quite yet. Folks like that.
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Henry Aaron, Roberto Clemente. Then there'd be a second tier,
or a third tier in this case for players who
were unable for whatever reason to complete their careers or
their expected careers. Pictures like Sandy Kofax, who retired at
age thirty because doctors said, the next pitch might not
only be your last, but you may use your arm
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for the last time throwing that pitch. You may literally
not be able to use your arm for anything. All
the nerves may be dead. And he went, I'm going
to quit, and he did, and his records do not
His compilation records do not match that of far lesser pitchers,
although he is considered perhaps the greatest five season pitcher
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of all time. But you could have a category of
Hall of famers who only had five great years for
whatever reason. The late catcher of the New York Yankees,
Thrman Munson, could fit into that because he died in
the middle of his eleventh season in Major League Baseball
and never fulfilled or went downhill from there because he
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was not alive to do so. The last category of
our four tier Hall of Fame would be everybody else
whose statistical performance is such that they should be in
the Hall of fame, but had some sort of blemish
in their personal conduct, Pete Rose gambling the problem with
underage dating, which I think we have to call it
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that legally, although it's probably closer to pedophilia Pete Rose,
As I said, Roger Clemens, Barry Bonds, the steroid users
of the late nineteen nineties and early two thousands, Shoolish
Joe Jackson and the other members of the nineteen nineteen
Chicago White Sox who were involved in a plot to
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throw the World Series that year. Some of them may
have thrown the World Series, and some of them may
have not thrown the World Series. Almost all of them
got money to do. So you could put them all
in there and they could be I don't know, in
a room that isn't totally lit, or they could have
bad portraits of themselves, or like I don't know, a
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sound of booing being piped into the room in which
their plaques would remain for eternity. But you would say,
all right, Pete Rose is in the Hall of Fame,
flawed human being who, oh, by the way, got more
hits than anybody else. So that's the solution, And of
course it will never be done because it would eliminate
most of the arguments, and then we wouldn't have these conversations.
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But back to the original point, I wanted to discuss
the qualifications of these eight guys again. This sorting out.
This latest category is players who achieved prominence in the
game after nineteen eighty, not owners, not managers players. This
is just on the field stuff. There'll be an owner
manager vote later seventy years from now. I don't know.
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I've completely lost the plot on what they are doing
to elect people to the Hall of Fame. Okay, here
are the nominees. Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens are on
the list. All that is needed from this committee is
seventy five percent of the vote and they are in
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the Hall of Fame despite everything that happened. And there's
no tiered structure now, so the plaque for Barry Bonds
probably would not say his head grew bigger at the
age of thirty three, even though that's physically impossible unless
you're doing human growth hormone. It probably wouldn't say that.
So he could get into the Hall of Fame, and
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somebody might be planning to cast a courtesy vote for
him right now, So Bonds and Clemens are there. Gary Sheffield,
who also at times faced accusations of deliberately throwing away
baseballs in protest to how his team was treating him
and deliberately using performance enhancing drugs, although nothing I believe
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in Sheffield's case was ever proved. Jeff Kent, a great
second baseman, considered to be a jackass generally speaking. Dale Murphy,
the exact opposite of that two time Most Valuable Player
of the Atlanta Braves, one of the most beloved figures
in sports anywhere in the last half century, and a
man who, after I believe, the first of those MVP awards,
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the moment the season ended, got on a plane and
went to Florida to play in the Instructional League because
he wasn't doing well enough the last month of the season.
I have asked Dale Murphy about this, a man I
have had the pleasure of knowing since the early eighties,
and he then says, well, to be fair, I'd had
a very bad finish to the season and I was
a little hurt. I needed basically to do some rehab
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and get my swing back. And I said, I don't
care why you were there. Nobody else in the history
of baseball has ever won the Most Valuable Player award
and then gone to the instructional league to work on
things to get better for the next year. So Murphy
is on that list, along with Carlos Delgado, who was
a good and power hitting catcher and first basement for
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the Toronto Blue Jays and the New York Mets. Don Mattingley,
who once again does not have a Hall of Fame ring,
even as a coach with the Toronto Blue Jays, and
the less I say about that probably the better. But
Don Mattingley, longtime first baseman for the Yankees, limited in
particular power numbers later on in his career because of
a bad back. In my Hall of Fame, he would
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get in in the limited career category. He would be
in those guys who did not do what they might
have done. He might be next to Addie Joss, the
great Cleveland pitcher of the early nineteen hundreds. Go and
look him up to see why. And then the eighth
nominee Fernando Valezuela, the legendary pitcher of the Los Angeles
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Dodgers who set LA a flame in nineteen eighty one
in a good sense when not expected to make the
Dodgers starting rotation, he wound up pitching Opening Day and
throwing a string of shutouts and creating Fernando Mania and
actually introducing almost for the first time, the Hispanic Latino
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crowd to the Dodgers. The Dodgers were not the darlings
of that audience until Fernando Valezuela came along, and Mexican
baseball players were not largely recruited or sought in Major
League Baseball until Fernando Valenzuela. The problem is, as with mattingly,
that there were limitations. Fernando Valenzuela was a great pitcher
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for three or four years, and then he began a
rather rapid decline that was hastened by injuries and by eating.
And he hung on for six or seven years, during
which he dropped down to mediocrity and getting released twice
or three times year. And yet he is a Hall
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of Fame nominee. There is a statistic that baseball people
use with varying degrees of confidence in it, called wins
above replacement war. It is a complicated formula that tries
to take in everything from a player's natural talent to
how he did and how that was influenced by how
his home ballpark fit him as opposed to not fitting
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other players, and what he did relative to the seasons
in which he played, which I think is a valuable barometer.
It comes up with one large number which can be
added to if you play twenty five years instead of twelve,
but which gives you Although I don't think I would
sign on to it as the only arbiter for who's
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better than whom, it does give you relative statistics. For instance,
Barry Bonds's war is one hundred and sixty two point eight,
Roger Clemens is one hundred and thirty nine point two.
Next on the ballot is Gary Sheffield sixty point five.
So Gary Sheffield, the third highest war among these eight
nominees is less than half of the second nominee, and
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it's just a little bit better than a third of
the first nominee. Jeff Kent fifty five point four, Dale
Murphy forty six point five, Delgado forty four point four,
Mattingly forty two point four, and Balezuela eighth at forty
one point four. I think among all of these I
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would not and could not still under these circumstances, vote
for Barry Bonds or for Roger Clemens. I cannot do it.
I do not know how much of their careers owes
to performance enhancing drugs. I do know that they made
a decision to go and use them, and like the
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Hall of Famer or would be Hall of Famer shoeless
Joe Jackson, no matter what you were when you made
that decision to do something morally bankrupt, you made the
decision to do something morally bankrupt. You do not get
credit for the time you were not morally bankrupt yet
kind of forfeit it. You only get one moral bankruptcy
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assessment unless you decided to come clean at the end
and ask for forgiveness. And we have not heard that
from Barry Bonds or Roger Clemens. I suspect if either
of them had at any point said yes, I use
these drugs, I was wrong. It threw the balance of
the game out of whack for the entirety of my career,
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and I hope nobody ever does them again. If they
had done that, I think they probably would have gotten
into the Hall of Fame legitimately and quickly, and could
still do that. But there is one thing about being
a competitor like those two men. That makes that impossible.
They could not do that. I would vote even though
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he is literally one quarter of the War of Barry Bonds.
I would vote for Dale Murphy. This is why I
don't have a vote for all my analysis, and I
think my baseball historian skills are comparable to almost anybody.
I do have personal prejudices. I've always been delighted to
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see Dale Murphy, and I'd like to see him in
the Hall of Fame. But if you are saying, Okay,
we're not going to count character, We're not going to
make that an issue. We're going to put Bonds and
Clemens on the ballot, Well, maybe maybe there should be
some extra credit given to the good guys of the game,
like Murphy. Maybe Murphy should be in the war the
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wins above replacement of ethics. Maybe he should be credited
with forty points. What I found most interesting among all
of these And no, I would not vote for Mattingly,
even though I've known him forever and he and I
have one running joke that dates to the mid nineties.
If you can imagine such a thing, I would not
vote for Mattingly under these circumstances. Although I would welcome
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him into a tiered Hall of Fame, I would also
not vote for Valezuela. Again, the same thing. If you're
going to have part of the Hall of Fame in
which a guy is the biggest figure in baseball and
changes the sport in one community for a while, yes
I could see it, but that's not the rules right now.
And again, if we're going to put in Valenzuela, we're
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going to put in Mattingly, We're going to put in
tim Linsecom, We're going to put in Buster your posey.
We're going to put in a lot of guys who
really don't have Hall of Fame careers but had Hall
of Fame five year spans. And again, there's a lot
of space in Cooperstown, New York. As they said in
a somewhat flawed movie in which a friend of mine,
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Josh Charles, appeared, called Cooperstown. It's a rural area. There's
lots of extra space in Cooperstown. Well, you could add
one hundred or two hundred Hall of famers and not
really have to knock any other buildings down. Why not,
why not have more Hall of Famers? Why not let
these guys charge more for their autographs. Why not say
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we don't have just three hundred or four hundred Hall
of Fame, we have five hundred Hall of Fame players.
What's the difference. So I'd like a big Hall of Fame.
But until we have a big Hall of Fame, I
can't vote for Fernando and I can't vote for Don Mattingly.
No on Carlos Delgado, No on Jeff Kent a good
second basement but not a great one, and no on
Gary Sheffield, in part because there are two guys of
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this era who are not nominated who I would actually
have as my second and third votes. Dwight Evans had
the best outfield arm I ever saw until the time
of Eachiro Suzuki. His war sixty seven point two would
place him third on this list, and Keith Hernandez, the
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first basement of the New York Mets and now their
commentator and first basement of the Saint Louis Cardinals, had
a war of sixty point four, which would put him
him right behind the number three guy on this list,
Gary Sheffield, at sixty point five. Keith Hernandez was the
most impressive and the most aggressive defensive player I have
ever seen. He played first base the way a really
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talented safety played safety in the National Football League, or
the way a pass rusher a linebacker like Dick Butkus
played that position in the National Football League, or the
way a good goaltender plays it in hockey. He said,
let me stop the offense. And he was a very
good hitter as well, and one time MVP of the
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National League. So that's the way I would do it.
But of course, as I said, if they were to
adopt my plans, which I have been proposing more or
less continuously since. Let me check my notes here. The
first article I wrote about redoing the Hall of Fame
vote was in oh nineteen a one. Oh no, that's
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not the first one. I wrote one in nineteen seventy
eight when Dale Murphy was a rookie. They still haven't
gotten around to approving it. In fact, every time they
talk about changes in the Hall of Fame, I don't
even get a goddamn courtesy vote. I do like that
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idea of having the Hall of Fame, though with a
Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens steroid era place, with Mark McGuire
and Pete Rose in it. Joe Jackson and a lot
of the other players who were thrown out of the
game for gambling and other nefarious acts. I like that,
and you keep the lights low, and you know, if
you really want to go in there, you have to,
like rent a flashlight. I think I'm onto something here.
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Could be the decline of my own mental faculties, but
I'm onto something. I've done all the damage I can
do here. Thank you for listening. Most of our Countdown
music was arranged, produced, and performed by Brian Ray and
John Phillip Shaneil our musical directors have Countdown. It was
produced by Tko Brothers. Mister Ray was on the guitars, bass,
and drums, and mister Shanelle handled orchestration and keyboards. You know,
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you could put the designated hitters in the limited career
category two because they're not actually Hall of famers because
they don't play defense. I'll do a commentary about that sometime, GI,
just of it being in the old days, somebody who
fielded so badly that he could not have been a
regular hitter, wasn't a regular hitter and usually wasn't in
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the major leagues. How many guys made it to the
major leagues and now to the Hall of Fame because
they instituted this rule, who otherwise would have spent their years,
their lives playing for Salt Lake City of the Pacific
Coast League. Not that there's anything wrong with that. Our
satirical on fifthy musical comments are by the best baseball
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stadium organist ever, Nancy Faust. The Olderman theme from ESPN two,
written by Mitch Warren Davis courtesy of ESPN, Inc. Is
the sports music. Other music arranged and performed by the
group No Horns Allowed. My announcer today is my friend
Mariner Kenny Main, who will vote for anybody from Seattle.
Everything else was, as always my fault. That's countdown for today,
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Day two hundred and ninety one of America held hostage
again and just seventy two days until the scheduled end
of his lame duck and lame brain term unless he
is removed sooner by MAGA and Jeffrey Epstein and the
pavement patch on his hand or tail and hall, or
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the jet made out of poop, or his next scheduled
Alzheimer's test. The next scheduled countdown is Monday. Until then,
I'm Keith Olderman, good Morning, good afternoon, good night, and
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