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December 18, 2025 38 mins

SEASON 4 EPISODE 42: COUNTDOWN WITH KEITH OLBERMANN

A-Block (2:30) SPECIAL COMMENT: Trump is drowning.

Trump’s presidency is DROWNING.

Yesterday, it was Republicans forcing a vote to extend Obamacare subsidies. Yesterday, 38 PERCENT approval in the Marist poll. Monday, his Rob Reiner tweet that appalled even the worst of MAGA. Tuesday, Susie Wiles. Friday, the Epstein Files, proving: no, history doesn’t repeat itself but yes, sometimes it LITERALLY rhymes.

The Venezuela Wag-The-Dog episode collapsed before it started. It's about Narco-terrorism, whatever the eff that is? Oil? Stuff they stole? Nuh uh. For the first but not the last time we turn to Susie Wiles for the, uh, well, it’s a strange word to use about the Trump administration but here it is: TRUTH. "He wants to keep on blowing boats up until [president Nicolás] Maduro cries uncle. And people way smarter than me on that say that he will." She also single-handedly ended the just-forming prosecution of Jack Smith, and the vowed prosecution of Anthony Fauci, and the already-moribund prosecutions of James Comey and Letitia James and Adam Schiff and and and…All those cases will be thrown out of court. All of them. Because Susie Wiles is on tape saying quote “I don’t think he wakes up thinking about retribution but when there’s an opportunity he will go for it.” About Comey, quote: “I mean, people could think it does look vindictive. I can’t tell you why you shouldn’t think that.” Trump’s chief of staff. Confirming it’s retribution. And retribution means selective prosecution and selective prosecution is illegal and you not only get the case thrown out, if you’ve had to defend yourself or your reputation has been hurt, you can sue the government. And it’s on TAPE.

So why did she say it? Why did she think she could get away with it? Because inside the White House even the Chief of Staff knows Trump is drowning. And they are beginning to distance themselves from him.

B-Block (27:00) THE WORST PERSONS IN THE WORLD: Laura Ingraham doesn't know Niagara Falls is in Ontario or Ontario is in Canada or that Premier Doug Ford isn't an American. I make bad choices in Exes. And these MAGA idiots just cannot see anything in the world any more without trying to force it into their brain-dead templates: it MUST be political and it MUST be an attack on Trump. New York City councilwoman Vickie Paladino "knows" the terrible shooting was an attack on Republicans at Brown University, and the moronic troll "Cat Turd" is sure they're wiping the shooter's social media history clean (which is an idea he should execute).

C-Block (37:00) THINGS I PROMISED NOT TO TELL: I'm off by only four days from the exact anniversary, but it is now 42 years since I first met and interviewed Trump and I know most of us who knew him before knew he was nuts, but I must give myself credit. An hour after that meeting I was asking a colleague "what the eff is wrong with THAT guy?"

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Countdown with Keith Olderman is a production of iHeartRadio. Trump
is drowning. Trump's presidency is drowning. Yesterday, Republicans forced a

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vote to extend Obamacare subsidies against Trump's will. Yesterday, thirty
eight percent approval in the Marist poll. Monday, his Rob
Reiner tweet that appalled even the worst of Mega Tuesday,
Susie Wiles Friday the Epstein Files, proving no history doesn't
repeat itself. But yes, sometimes it literally rhymes so much failure,

(00:52):
so many el's, so little time to cackle. Sometimes the
shit comes down so heavy. As my late friend Bill
Hurt said in the movie Body Heat, I feel like
I should wear a hat. Only Trump doesn't have a hat.
He went to wag the dog in Venezuela and nobody
even noticed. And when he screwed that up too, insisting

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an American armada had entirely surrounded Venezuela and setting aside
that unauthorized act of war, you really want to call
it an armada like the Spanish armada that crashed and
burned instead of taking over England in fifteen eighty eight,
And Spain hasn't been a world power since, and did
you say your armada had entirely surrounded Venezuela. Does that

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include the thirty two hundred miles of the Venezuelan border
that is on land. Did you park a battleship on
the border with Brazil, Donnie, you flatulant moron. Also, this
is about narco terrorism, whatever the f that is. No,
it's really about oil. It's about stuff they stole. It's

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nuh uh for the first but not the last time.
Today we turned to Susie Wiles for the it's a
strange word to use about the Trump administration, but here
it is about the truth. Quoting her, he wants to
keep on blowing boats up until Maduro cries uncle, and
people weigh smarter than me on that say, he will unquote.

(02:27):
So it's regime change. And of course there is that
other reality that never occurred to Trump as he drowns
well as you're armada. Now, if he and Rubio and
these other political whores can declare that they can take
Venezuela's oil, and more importantly, they can try to force
regime change in Venezuela, Guess what that means That Venezuela

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is entitled to try to force regime change in America,
Stop Don't come back. Trump is drowning on dry land.
The Marist Poll Commission for NPR and PBS thirty eight
percent approval thirty eight He's cracked the bottom forty, his

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worst number this term, worst overall since twenty eighteen, and
thirty eight percent is better than the interior numbers in
this poll. Approval on the economy is thirty six percent.
Who do you trust to handle the economy? Republicans thirty
three percent, Democrats thirty seven percent. Economic disapproval of Trump

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by group, Rural residents forty nine to forty three disapprove,
White women who didn't go to college forty eight percent disapproved,
to forty one suburbs. The suburbs OI sixty percent disapprove
on the economy to thirty three. Who approve and the
strength of your opinion about him? Of registered voters ask

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if they approve or disapprove of him, half say they
strongly disapprove, half and six out of ten of us
say the economy isn't working for us. Six out of
ten of us are pessimistic about the year ahead. He's
even lost five percent of Republican approval in just the
last month, Trump is drowning. They did not ask about

(04:22):
the Trump Memorial ballroom and ego storage airplane hangar, which
he first said would cost only one hundred million, Then
it was two hundred, then two hundred and fifty, all
of it paid by donors, then three hundred then Tuesday night,
four hundred million dollars. And he can't believe he was
sued over it. I mean, it's only four hundred million dollars.

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And oh, by the way, it opens in late twenty
twenty eight, and I hope the new president immediately tears
it down put that on pay per view. By the way,
Trump says it will have five inch thick windows and
be totally impenetrable, five inch thick and totally triple Hey,

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just like Trump. Last indication of Trump drowning, then we'll
figure out why Susie wils just ended the prosecutions of
Jack Smith and James Comey and James and the others.
The last indication of Trump drowning is a sports story.
I don't particularly like the former New York radio host

(05:26):
Mike Francesa. This goes back to only nineteen eighty nine.
I don't respect him, but I do respect his sources
and on his podcast, he told tales of the collapse
of the twenty twenty five New York Mets, and he
gave insight into what happened to send them plummeting from
five games up with nearly twice as many wins as

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losses in the middle of June to thirteen games out
at the end of the season, and the team's top
two stars being allowed to walk away by a free
agency last week, and popular outfielder Brandon Nimo being traded
to Texas for an aging infielder. According to Frances's Go,
Neimo and star shortstop Francisco Lindor had a problem in

(06:10):
the clubhouse. This is explained by Frances's source and the
source I'm sorry, Francessa pronounces it sauce. The sauce says
the problem was that one of them liked Trump and
the other didn't like Trump. HM. Brandon Neimo is from Chyenne,

(06:30):
Wyoming and Francisco Lindor is from Caguas in Puerto Rico.
I wonder if we can figure this mystery out. Trump
broke up the Mets. Actually, that might be his only
significant accomplishment of his first term. I'd like to congratulate

(07:04):
Susie Wiles on single handedly ending the just forming prosecution
of Jack Smith, and the vowed prosecution of Anthony Fauci,
and the already moribund prosecutions of James Comy and Letitia
James and Adam Schiff, and all those cases will be
thrown out of court, all of them because Susie Wiles

(07:27):
is on tape saying quote, I don't think he Trump
wakes up thinking about retribution, but when there's an opportunity,
he will go for it. And about Comy specifically, quote,
I mean people could think it does look vindictive. I
can't tell you why you shouldn't think that, unquote Trump's

(07:47):
chief of staff, current chief of staff, not ex chief
of staff, not off the record, not through sources, not
in a biography that comes out in the year twenty
thirty four, confirming its retribution, and it's on tape, and
on tape. Retribution means selective prosecution, and selective prosecution is illegal,

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and you not only get the case thrown out. If
you've had to defend yourself and spend money, or your
reputation has been hurt, you can sue the government and
the prosecutors and it's on tape. And what Wiles said
to Chief of Staff historian Chris Whipple about retribution, did
I mention it's on tape? May also be enough for

(08:33):
people who've merely been fired or threatened by Trump to
demand a court stop him and restore them to their jobs,
or get damages out of him or his government, or
completely shut down his government by Vendetta and its efforts
against them. That's four hundred and sixty five other Trump
victims this year alone, everybody from Jerome Powell to Jimmy Kimmel,

(08:57):
all of whom may now have some kind of legal
case against Trump and his drowning arguments because Pat Summerle's
daw couldn't keep her big bazoo shut and just let
John Madden's child do all the talking. And if this
was not enough for the four hundred and seventy victims
counted by Reuters to sue or get their cases dismissed,

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or to bury Trump's minions for selective prosecution and damages,
Wiles actually somehow made it worse. She not only confirmed
on tape that Trump was quote score settling, but also
that she got him to agree to a loose agreement
to stop it after his first ninety days in office,
and also also that Trump renegged on that that is

(09:43):
called guilty fore knowledge. She knew it was wrong, and
Trump having agreed to limit it means he knew it
was wrong. And now you're looking at potential criminal charges
for everybody who tried to enact vengeance for their Dracula
in the White House. Have fun in prison, Alina Haba,
good luck getting your hair done there, Lindsey Halligan in

(10:05):
the Big House. Thanks Susie Wiles. It's on tape as
we begin the third consecutive day that Trump will have
shocked even those numbed him by now by not again
firing Susie Wiles. The more important issue behind this may

(10:25):
be why she thought she could get away with talking
to this man. She told mister Whipple for Vanity Fair,
not only that Trump has quote an alcoholics personality, but
that she's seen the Epstein files and when Trump said
there was evidence Bill Clinton visited Epstein Island, he was
not telling the truth. She also insists she tried to

(10:48):
convince Trump not to pardon the most violent insurrectionists of
January sixth, insisted the deportations needed more work to prevent mistakes,
and said there was an attempt to delay the tariff
con job my words, because his advisors had a quote
huge disagreement over tariffs, and if you missed it, she

(11:10):
leveled far more than just Trump. Wiles dismissed JB. Vance
as having quote been a conspiracy theorist for a decade
whose reasons were going from seeing Trump for what he
is to horring himself for him. Those reasons were not
principled but quote sort of political. Wiles says, when Attorney

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General TIMU Blondie was given the Epstein files to handle,
she quote completely whiffed, and that the budget director in
twenty twenty five, reichsch Marshall Russell Vote is quote a
right wing absolute zealot. Couldn't tell that from Project twenty
twenty five, which he largely wrote, could you. And to Wiles,
Elon Musk is quote an avowed ketamine user whose actions

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often leave her quote aghast and are not always quote rational,
and who often tweets quote when he's micro dosing. Susie Wiles,
you have unsuspected depth. Okay, why does she think she'll
get away with it? First off, she immediately issued a
non denial denial that she turned into lies about the

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Trump administration succeeding when it is repeatedly and spectacularly drowning,
hitting icebergs, blowing up over New Jersey and detonating like
a SpaceX musk rocket, already accomplished leadership and vision of Trump,
relentless persuative blah blah blah blah blah. Not one quote denied,
not one, Just the typical context was disregarded. Okay, Susie,

(12:42):
what the hell is the context when you say Trump
has the personality of an alcoholic and you know that
because your father was an alcoholic, so damage control must
have always been her fallback. But why put herself in
that position in the first place. I mean, Vance and
Marco Rubio and Caroline Levitt and Stephen Miller all poss

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and so did Wiles for vanity photographs. In Vanity Fair, Happily,
no sketch artists drew any of them nude. But for
the other four, especially the evil Miller and the hapless Rubio,
this was the chance to obtain the first presentable photographs
of themselves in their lives. But Wiles doesn't care about that.

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She's not in it for fame. She's the daughter of
Pat summer All, the sportscaster, the longtime partner of John Madden,
and from him she not only knew the carcinogenic personality
effects fame threatens you with, but she also learned the
hard way how to make a judgment on Trump like
that most searing one. But Trump has an alcoholics personality.

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Her dad was one, quoting her again, high functioning alcoholics
or alcoholics in general, their personalities are exaggerated when they drink.
And so I'm a little bit of an expert in
big personalities. Trump doesn't drink, but acts like he does
the alcoholics personality, complete with again quoting a view that

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there's nothing he can't do, nothing, zero, nothing. So she's
not doing it to make herself the Susie Wiles. Don't
get me wrong, she's one of the lead villains. She's
on the list of Trump enablers. I hope they've all
broken the law so they can all be prosecuted later,
especially at the state level. Her beliefs are repugnant, her

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goals more so. But this isn't jd Vance political prostitute,
and this int somebody as amazingly unqualified as Patel or Bongino,
or Duffy or Bondi, or as incredibly stupid as carol
Ion Levitt. I assume that concept of her own status
could be at the core of her tea spilling over

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the course of eleven interviews on tape. She believes herself
to be above these purely political frontmen who want the
power and the glory and the glam shots in Vanity Fair.
This may convey to her his false sense of security,
or it may have or she may have been confident

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because he already excommunicated her once and then brought her back,
Or bluntly, she may have inherited more from her father
than his six sinctness. Asked by The Times about her
comment on musk and ketamine, she said, quote, that's ridiculous.
I wouldn't have said it, and I wouldn't know. Whereupon
Vanity Fair played a tape of the interview and Wiles
said every word of it. So maybe she was micro

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something her own self. Lord knows your father did, But
I think it's likeliest that Susie Wiles, like many in
this White House, figured she could get away with this
because they are beginning to write Trump off because he
is drowning not only because it's nearly twenty twenty six

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and at best his shelf life is three years and
a month from now. And she insisted not even Trump
is serious about illegally running again or staying in office,
that he just says it to enrage opponents. It's not
just that the tic tick tick tick tick in the
Oval gets louder every day. It's that she's got to
believe Trump will never actually see the article in Vanity Fair,

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or never actually see the actual quotes from it. We'll
never read her say he's got, you know, the personality
of an alcoholic, even though he supposedly agreed with her
on that, or will never understand those quotes, because if
anybody knows Trump's brain is fading to black, it would
have to be as chief of Staff Susie Wiles. Or

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she thinks Trump will see them and somehow will understand them,
and then suddenly he will make her an ambassador to
someplace warm. And now to the tipping point of this
remarkable week, the moment the water began to rise around Trump.

(17:05):
The Rob Reiner post, I hope you heard my bulletin
on this Monday afternoon. It was my favorite philosopher the
second century Roman emperor Marcus Aurelius, out there trying to
rule the decaying empire from deep in the woods of Germany,
who wrote in what amounted to his diary, you always

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own the option of having no opinion. There is never
any need to get worked up or to trouble your
soul about things you can't control. These things are not
asking to be judged by you leave them alone. It's
hard to do that, I'm example a but it's harder

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to do that if, like Trump, you've never even heard
of Marcus Aurelius. It was kind of encouraging to see
how many of his sheep were still appalled by what
Trump wrote. But there are always a few of the
dumber ones who had to find a way to also
ignore Marcus Aurelius and in shitify themselves trying to rationalize
Trump's irrationality, Like who else Laura Lumer. Rob Reiner was

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a loser, Naturally, his son was also a loser, and
he got addicted to drugs and allegedly murdered his parents.
Looks like Rob should have spent more time parenting and
less time spreading Russia conspiracy hoaxes about President Trump. I
stand with President Trump, and of course she puts the
chef's kick on this or kiss and says that this

(18:38):
is a legitimate tweet Rob Reiner. Until Trump goes to prison,
I will no longer be posting on Twitter. I have
had it with the insults and put downs f all
of you maga assholes. It's of course a fake tweet.
Everybody knows it's a fake tweet. It doesn't look like
a real tweet. It's been identified as a fake tweet.
It's also dated January twentieth, twenty twenty three. And by

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the way, for me, that would be like a B
minus in terms of number of obscenities used about Trump.
The Reiner tweet was, of course a fake, just like
Laura Lumer's face. By the way, Trump announced on social
media that Laura Lumer is engaged engaged in what exactly? Then,

(19:23):
of course, there were reminders that creatures like Laura Lumer
aren't quite human. Those were preceded by the premature jocularity.
The night before Trump disqualified himself from being president again,
the right was completely holier than thou again, Jack Posobic.

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You won't see people on the right celebrating the horrific
murder of Rob Reiner and his wife compare to the
left's reaction to Charlie Kirk's murder. Eleven twenty eight PM
Sunday night, Bret Weinstein noticed that the American right is
not celebrating Rob Reiner's murder. I see post after post
honoring his remarkable contribution to our culture, despite his strident

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embraceive progressive lunacy in his later years. This is America
displaying our common humanity. May his memory and his remarkable
body of work be a blessing to us All twelve
fifty nine am Monday, very nice. And then Trump celebrated
Rob Reiner's murder, so no matter who on his side
did not, the lead guy did. As Lumer suggested, Trump's

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disgusting touchdown dance on my friend Rob's grave and his
wife's grave, and Lumer and the even dumber versions of
lumour needing something anything to try to justify what Trump did.
I even saw them use screen caps of one of
my tweets, particularly the one that read burn in hell

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Sinclair next to Charlie Kirk. This was after Sinclair Broadcasting
tried to get Jimmy Kimmel fired because he didn't pretend
Charlie Kirk was Jesus Christ while consoling the family and
condemning the killing anyway, and they wanted Kimmel not only
to lose his job, but also to pay a bribe

(21:12):
to some kind of Charlie Kirk memorial sainwashing fund. I'll
say it again. The killing of Charlie Kirk was indefensible. Then,
It is indefensible now, it will be indefensible later. The
killing of political commentators is indefensible. I believe this firmly.
I may believe it more than you do, since I'm

(21:33):
a political commentator. But you know what else is indefensible.
Charlie Kirk and his cult of hatred and violent fantasies
and racism and complete disregard for anybody who wasn't exactly
like him. He called for public executions and to force
kids to watch them. I'm sorry if the people who

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thought they knew him never actually read the Bible. It's
clear in page after page that the evil, those who
are evil like Charlie Kirk are going to hell. Sorry,
unless you right wingers are saying the Bible isn't literally correct. Also,

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how are you comparing Charlie Kirk, who contributed nothing to
this country, to Rob Reiner. But I've got a worse cop,
even bigger than that. When the far right goes and
says it's all right for Trump to have celebrated Rob
Reiner's murder because I said Charlie Kirk was going to hell.
So my comments and Trump's comments are of equal importance.

(22:41):
Somehow I carry the same influence as the President of
the United States. I am in some way as important
as him. I suddenly begin to suspect that I am underpaid.

(23:06):
Also of interest here, Laura Ingram doesn't know what country
Canada is. No, I'm not kidding. And just when I
thought the pecking order had become clear of which of
my exes was the most self destructive, Laura is moving
swiftly round the clubhouse, turn and down the stretch. They come.
That's next. This is Countdown. This is Countdown, with Keith

(23:33):
Olberman still ahead. On this edition of Countdown, I missed

(24:12):
the exact anniversary, but just by a few days. It
was this past Monday, this past Monday, the forty second
anniversary of the morning I met and first interviewed Trump.
He was almost exactly the same then, not really human
and kind of drowning. The only difference we had yet
to make the dumbest, most evil man on Earth president

(24:36):
the day I met it. Next in things I promised
not to tell first, Believe it or not, there's still
more new idiots to talk about, the roundup of the miscreants,
morons and Dunning Kruger effects specimens who constitute today's other
worst persons in the world, the Bronze worse. If you're

(24:57):
like me, you hate to see an X beginning to slip. No,
not Katie, uh, not even Kirsten, No, not even Libby, Laura,
Laura Ingram. Okay, So it was two dates, and one
of them was really more of a hostage situation, which

(25:18):
I was the hostage. Still, this gets posted on social
media from somebody named Mark Nixon breaking doug Ford just
announced billions in investment to turn Niagara Falls into the
Las Vegas of the North, mega casinos, a new theme
park and a plan to double tourism. And there is

(25:38):
a picture of doug Ford at a podium announcing this,
and there is all sorts of logos on the podium
indicating who doug Ford is in case you don't know,
And Laura retweets this, adding gambling. Ug we need manufacturing,
not this. We need manufacturing, not this. Laura doug Ford

(26:02):
is the premiere of On Tear Ontario, which is in Canada,
which is a different country than ours, Unless Laura, you
think Trump annexed it using only his superior mind. Your
first hint should have been the podium at which doug

(26:22):
Ford is shown speaking in the video, The podium that
literally has a sign on it that says protect Ontario
in two different languages, protege Ontario, which is French, which
is a different language than you speak. Then again, half
the time English is a different language than Laura speaks.

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My god. The runner up worser New York City councilwoman
Vicki Palladino. She's the drama queen from Queens on the
Brown University shootings, whereas these nightmares are more cynically known,
the latest chance for magas, on top of everything else,
to make fools of themselves, she writes Clia. Now that
the attack at Brown was poipetrated by a leftist activist

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and targeted Republicans, the people who openly celebrated Charlie KOs
mighta enmass and faced exactly zero social illegal consequences for
it have been emboldened to killmaw Conservatives. Vicki Palladino actually
elected by idiots in Queens. The vice president of Brown

(27:32):
University's Republican Club, a student named Ella Cook, was one
of two killed, and I mourn what happened to her
and grieve for her family. The other fatality was a
student from Uzbekistan who did not appear to be a Republican.
Among the eleven who were injured in the shooting, there's
no official list, but lots of local news reports around

(27:55):
the country about this high school's graduate who was shot
and this high school's graduate who was nearly shot, and
they indicated that all the others were, you know, students
in a Brown University Saturday prep class for an economics final.
One of the kids was a freshman who manages the
women's volleyball team, which, incidentally, if I ever have a

(28:17):
second life, I'm going to have the presence of mind
to try to do that as the freshman to be
the manager of the women's volleyball team. Great idea, kid,
I'm hoping you're back in play real soon. Another of
the victims was just an engineering major who got stuck
taking an economics class. There does not seem to have
been another politically active victim, but you can't tell them

(28:40):
that to somebody like this idiot Palldino. Very clear now
it was quite petrated by a leftist activist and targeted Republicans.
And I'm sorry, I can't get you a deep enough
voice to really give you an indication of how she sounds.
And she thinks that way because she has lost the plot,
the plot of life. If there was one victim who

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was in the Republican club and eleven who were not,
the eleven don't count to her. Never mind Keystone cop
cash is FBI and what appeared to be two occasions
where they decided they had the perpetrator, only it turned
out they didn't and got the wrong person. It's very
clear to Vicki Palladino, like everything else in your life, counselwoman,

(29:24):
nothing at all is very clear. But the winner the worst.
Same topic, Philip Buchanan. You do not know Philip Buchanan,
not certainly under his name Philip Buchanan. He is the
Florida loser and Twitter troll known as cat Turd. Here's
what he has to say about Brown. They're not telling

(29:46):
you the identity of the brown shooter because they want
to wipe all his social media First Paranoia the destroyer, Sir,
they're not telling you the identity of the brown shooter
because Cash Bettel keeps getting the wrong guy identified and
or arrested. Cash Patel keeps getting the wrong guy. But

(30:12):
there is something useful in what you have written here,
Tard that part about wipe all his social media? Have
you considered that for your own self, Philip? Why would
anybody choose to call themselves cat turd? Because he's pretending
his life is better than it is. Buchanan, Today's other

(30:34):
worst person, and the world choose the number one story
on the countdown and the things you never know and

(30:55):
the things you'll never realize at the time that someday
you will need to promise not to tell. I met
Trump when I was twenty four years old. It's a
pretty good story. His hair was still its original color.
Then more or less it was thinning. He'd done something

(31:16):
to it. It was combed strangely. He was weird, unsettling, unnatural.
But it was New York in nineteen eighty three. Everybody
had done somebody of their hair. I had a perm
everybody was weird and unsettling. But if you had said
this in the future, this is how this will end up.

(31:37):
I would never have believed you. The president thing, the
coop thing, the dictatorship thing, the violence thing, the burying
the wife on the golf course thing. No, no, no,
I would have believed all that. I mean, he was
really weird. I meant the President mccheese thing. I like
China and I like President Shees. And here's another clip

(31:58):
that slipped through the cracks, but only for a moment.
This was Newsmax. This was the interview where Trump just
kept talking and talking, and even poor dumb Greg Kelly
glazed over as he listened. And Trump said his big
takeaway from the New York trial was that none of
the jurors smiled at him. The light bulb went off

(32:22):
over my head. This is far more important than it
could possibly seem at first. Blush, there's no way you
heard me say.

Speaker 2 (32:29):
You were long before the verdict that mother Teresa couldn't
get a fair trial. Here I said that, and no,
you couldn't. I never saw a glimmer of a smile
from the jury. No, this was a venue that was
very unfair.

Speaker 1 (32:43):
Oh my god, did I have a flashback there. I
have had the misfortune to meet Trump in person four times,
the first late in nineteen eighty three, and each time
I saw the exact moment that his face went from
an emotionless, almost lifeless, certainly non human mask to a beaming,

(33:05):
phony smile. That's who he is, That's what he thinks
is his asset, an irresistible smile. You and I look
at him and see a face of evil and debauchery,
and mostly a guy who claims to be rich and
yet clearly buys his makeup at the cheap end of
the notions department at Filein's basement. But he really thinks

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he can sell anybody anything, and somewhere early in life
he decided his means of doing that was to mimic
a human smile and really make it as big and
as preposterous as possible. And he's done this now for
at least seventy years, from his childhood dementia to this dementia.

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And the way he registers a sail with people, his
receipt for convincing them to do his bidding is their
smile in return. So the jury didn't smile at him,
so the jury was biased against him. The jury was corrupt,
so the trial was rigged. So when he says these
crazy things, there is a part of him that truly

(34:10):
believes it is rigged, because they are, as the kids say,
not buying what he's selling. He believes life is a transaction,
and when he gives you his smile, you have to
give him yours, and then he owns you. I met
him in the lobby of the apartment building I used
to live at here, the no longer Trump Palace. I

(34:34):
saw him first, then he saw me. Then he whispered
to one of his flunkies. I'm guessing he was double
checking it was me. Then he stared at me for
a moment. Then when he thought I was first looking
at him, his dead face turned immediately into that fake smile.
Remember the Senko de Mayo taco bowl tweet from twenty
sixteen where he says, I love Hispanics, like there were

(34:56):
actual Hispanics in the taco bowl and he was eating
them that fake smile. But his eyesight is not as
good as he lets on, so he doesn't know that
you have seen him first. He had done the same
thing twice in the lobbies of thirty Rock at NBC,
once stopping just to shake hands, once actually stopping to

(35:19):
tell me how good Countdown was, and how pissed off
his buddy Bill O'Reilly would get whenever he told him
how good countdown was, and then striding off, and I
watched to see if I could see that fake smile
that had appeared so suddenly vanished justice suddenly, but his
back was turned to me. However, December fifteenth, nineteen eighty three,

(35:40):
CNN sends me to cover a New York Post sports
forum where owner George Steinbrenner of the New York Yankees,
owner Fred Wilpond of the New York Mets, Sonny Werblin
of the New York Rangers, and Nixon, this real estate
hump Trump who owned the sort of pro football team
in New Jersey. They would speak and do interviews and
meet fans and whatever. And I interviewed them all briefly,

(36:02):
and when it came time to interview this Trump guy
there and looked at me like he was trying to
guess my weight. Then we put the camera light on
and there it was this big fake smile out of nowhere,
and I asked some questions about the New Jersey Generals,
and he boasted he was hiring a new name coach
who used to coach the Jets. When we turned out

(36:22):
he hadn't hired him yet, and he spent a week
cleaning up that mess. And when I said thank you,
when we turned the light off, he turned off the
big fake smile zap, it was gone, and the blank
look repeated in his eyes. A couple of years ago,
on a cold night, I turned a corner here and
a familiar but older face shouted Keith. And suddenly I
realized it's a CNN cameraman I haven't seen in thirty years.

(36:46):
Remember when we covered Trump at that sports thing, he says,
And I realized he was the cameraman that day at
the post thing. Remember what you said about him? And
I didn't. And he laughs, and he says, we were
walking back to the truck and you didn't say anything,
and that worried us, because when have you ever shut
up for five minutes? And so finally I say, what's
bothering you? And you stopped and you turning, you looked

(37:07):
at me and Jimmy, and you said that last guy
we interviewed Trump, what the f is wrong with that guy.

(37:28):
I've done all the damage I can do here. Thank
you for listening. Most of our countdown music was arranged, produced,
and performed by Brian Ray and John Phillip Schanel, our
musical directors of Countdown. It was produced by Tko Brothers
mister Ray on guitars, bass and drums, mister Chanelle with
orchestration and keyboards. Our satirical and pithy musical comments are
by the best baseball stadium organist ever, Nancy Faust. The

(37:51):
sports music was the Olderman theme from ESPN two. It
appears courtesy of ESPN, Inc. And was written by Mitch
Warren Davis. Other music arranged and performed by the group
No Horns Allowed. My announcer today was my Friends Stevie
van Zant. This program was produced by Ted. Everything else
was as always my fault. That's countdown for today. Day

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three hundred and thirty three of America held hostage again,
but just one and thirty days until the scheduled end
of his lame duck and lame brained term, unless he's
removed sooner by MAGA and Jeffrey Epstein, or affordability or
Susie Wiles, it's on tape. The next schedule Countdown is Monday.

(38:36):
Until then, I'm Keith Olberman. Good morning, good afternoon, goodnight,
and good luck. Countdown with Keith Olberman is a production
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