March 16, 2025 • 42 mins
Kouri Richins' defense alleges that the Summit County Sheriff’s Office illegally obtained evidence while investigating the death of Eric Richins.
Defense attorneys Kathy Nester and Wendy Lewis say detectives violated Richins' constitutional rights and argue that the evidence should be ruled inadmissible during her murder trial.
At the center of the motion are the "Walk the Dog" letter and data from her phone and Apple accounts. Defense attorneys argue that investigators took Kouri’s phone without a proper warrant and failed to inform her of her right to remain silent, her right to request a lawyer, and her right to refuse questioning.
The case began when Eric Richins became violently ill on multiple occasions after having dinner with his wife, Kouri.
The couple, who owned a successful real estate business, was celebrating a big sale when Kouri Richins prepared a drink for her husband. She then went to care for their children. Hours later, when she went to bed, Eric Richins was dead.
Investigators believe his wife killed him by putting a fatal dose of fentanyl in his drink. Police also discovered that Kouri Richins attempted to change the beneficiary of her husband's life insurance policy.
Joining Nancy Grace Today:
- Jeffrey Wolf - Criminal Defense Attorney; Twitter: @JeffWolf5280 and @WolfLawLLC
- Dr. Angela Arnold - Psychiatrist, Atlanta GA.- Expert in the Treatment of Pregnant/Postpartum Women; Former Assistant Professor of Psychiatry, Obstetrics and Gynecology: Emory University; Former Medical Director of The Psychiatric Ob-Gyn Clinic at Grady Memorial Hospital
- Bobby Chacon- Former Special Agent FBI, Screenwriter for “Criminal Minds;” Instagram/Twitter: @BobbyChaconFBI
- Dr. Paul Christo - Opioid Expert, Associate Professor for The John Hopkins School of Medicine, Division of Pain Medicine; Author and Host of "Aches & Gains: A Comprehensive Guide To Overcoming Your Pain"
- Dr. Kendall Crowns- Chief Medical Examiner Tarrant County (Ft Worth), Lecturer: University of Texas Austin and Texas Christian University Medical School
- Jen Smith- Chief Reporter for DailyMail.com, Twitter: @jen_e_smith
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Why won't she just go away?
Speaker 2 (00:09):
So called Moscow Mule Mom Cory Richins defenses arguing that
vital evidence be suppressed for a jury never to hear
about it. Corey Richins charging the poisoning death of her husband,
the father of their children. I'm Nancy Grace, this is
crime Stories. Thank you for being with us in the
(00:31):
last days. Moscow Mule Mom. Corey Richins lawyers insist Summit
County Sheriff's office illegally obtain evidence investigating her in connection
to the death of her husband, Eric Richins. They want
data from her phone and Apple accounts, the controversial letter
(00:53):
recovered from her jail cell, commonly referred to as the
Walk the Dog letter, where she's trying to scrape up
an all by and convinced people to lie for her,
and statements made by Corey Richings before her arrest. All
three of those bodies of evidence are subject to being suppressed.
(01:18):
Repeat three motions to suppress made by Moscow Mule Mom
Corey Richins. One statements made by Riches before her arrest,
two data from her phone and Apple accounts, and three
the controversial Walk the Dog letter. What happened to Corey
(01:39):
Richards's husband Eric. First of all, take a listen to
our friends say ku TV.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
This is the home where police found Eric Richards dead
on his bedroom floor in March. Sir Richins and his
wife Corey were celebrating a business accomplishment the night he died.
Corey made Eric a moscow mule, which he drank in
the bedroom.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
They say. Corey told authorities that.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
She left to help one of their children and return
to the bed several hours later. It was then they say,
she noticed Eric was cool to the touch and called.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Nine one one.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
What a horrible event to leave your husband go fall
asleep in the bedroom with one of your sons. She
wanders back in there to sleep in their bed around
three am and her husband is cold to the touch.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
With me in all star panel to make sense of
what we know right now.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
But first I want to go to chief Medical Examiner
out of Terran County. That's Fort Worth Lecturer, University of Texas,
Austin and Texas Christian University Medical School, Dtor Kendall Crowns,
Doctor Crowns. It's such an honor to have you and
doctor Paul Christo with us.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Doctor Crown's. My first question to.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
You is how long has a body How long has
the person been dead before their body is cold to
the touch?
Speaker 4 (02:56):
Hugely wants your hearts reading, and your body are taking
on the temperature of the rounding environment, so it can
happen in a probably about a half hour to an
hour where you can start noticing the body and cheer
temperature gotten cold.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Okay, you know, doctor Kindle Crowns. I know you're the
MD and I'm the JD. But I believe I'm going
to seek a second opinion. I'm going to go to
doctor Paul Christo, professor at Johns Hopkins School of Medicine,
author of Aches and Gains, A Comprehensive Guide to Overcoming
(03:34):
Your Pain, Doctor Paul Christo, I thought it would take
so much longer for a body to get completely cold
to the touch. And I do agree with doctor Kendall
Crowns regarding the ambient air in the room and what difference.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
That would make.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
But in this case, they were at home with their
three little boys, so I'm assuming I think it's safe
to assume that temperature would have been between sixty nine
and let's just say seventy one.
Speaker 5 (04:05):
Right, I mean, I would probably say somewhere around similar,
Doctor Crown, probably, you know, forty minutes to an hour's.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Doctor Paul Christo. How often do people just die in
their sleep? I mean, this is a young man who
was thirty nine years old at the time of his death.
Speaker 5 (04:21):
Not very often surprised to say, I mean, this is
this is a rare event. It doesn't happen unless you have,
you know, maybe some underlying cardiac problems, for example, maybe
pulmonary problems. It's very rare just to drop dead in.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Your sleep, you know, Doctor Angela Arnold joining me psychiatrist,
renown psychiatrist in the Atlanta jurisdiction at angela Arnold MD
dot com. Doctor Angie. Maybe it's just my line of business.
But when I've ever I hear died in your sleep,
there's always something bad attached to that.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
But I guess people really do die in their.
Speaker 6 (04:55):
Sleep, Well, they do, Nancy, And it's usually older people
who in their sleep they can suffer in a rhythmia
of their heart, and those are the people that can
die in their sleep. But like you said, Nancy, whenever
we hear of a younger person dying in their sleep,
there's there's some curiosity about that. I mean, young people
(05:16):
don't have heart issues typically, so young people don't typically
die in their sleep, and that's typically what you die
from in the at night.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
I disagree with you too, all three of you, doctors.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
I and my vast knowledge of medicine disagree with all
of you.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Because my dad had.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
His first coronary thrombosis at age thirty nine.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
That's pretty young. And this guy is thirty nine.
Speaker 6 (05:40):
Well, it is nancy, but that's still unusual. It's not
it's not that that's not the norm. That's all I
would say.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Okay, all right, let me get back on track. This
guy is actually celebrating.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
You know. I want to let Jen Smith tell you.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Jen Smith is joining US chief investigative reporter for Dailymail
dot com on this from the very beginning the unus
you will death of Eric Rich's just thirty nine years old,
father of three little boys. Jen, thank you for being
with us. Explain to me how this whole thing went
down because they were having a celebration that evening. From
(06:16):
what I understand, the wife, Corey rich AND's, flips houses.
She'll buy She's got a business partner. They buy houses.
They improve them and then they flip them like on
AHGTV the flip your house.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
That's what she does.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
And that evening they were having some kind of a
celebration because she had closed on a home.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
You tell me, Jen, Yeah, that's.
Speaker 7 (06:40):
Exactly right now, toy. But the actually our understanding all
of it is that they worked pretty closely together a
career and her husband, Eric, like you say, exactly the
type of business that you just described. They flipped houses.
So when Eric came home that evening and his wife
is at the house with the kids, they're celebrating because
(07:01):
he has just closed a deal on a sale of
a home, so bringing more money into the family. And listen,
this is a picture perfect family. They lived in a
really nice area not too far.
Speaker 8 (07:14):
Outside of Park City in Utah. The town is called Kamas.
Speaker 7 (07:19):
Really beautiful rural.
Speaker 8 (07:20):
In the mountains, and they had this great life. They
themselves lived in a one point one million dollar home,
and as you rightly pointed out, Eric had just closed
another deal. So it was a happy occasion for the
Richards family this evening.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Now let me understand they're Mormons, correct, they are?
Speaker 7 (07:38):
Yeah, So Eric Richards actually comes from a pretty prominent
Mormon family. The Richards family is a large family in
at least Stomach County.
Speaker 8 (07:47):
This is the area of Utah that we're talking about,
many many.
Speaker 7 (07:50):
Relatives and very well known.
Speaker 8 (07:53):
In the community. He and Turi had been married for
nine years and they had three beautiful boys together when
he died.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
That's my question. I have several friends that are devout Mormons.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
They don't even drink chocolate milk gin because chocolate is
a stimulant.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
So these two are having moscow mules.
Speaker 9 (08:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (08:13):
So what we know know is that after he returns
home from closing this deal, as a celebration curry, his
wife makes him a Moscow mules, the vodka ba his coltail,
and that is where they kind of leave things for
the night. Like you say, she goes.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Off to get with the son who is having a nightmare,
sleeps in the room with the sun having a nightmare.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Yeah, and she.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Leaves him sitting up in bed having his drink, TV going,
everything's fine. So this mom devastated finding her husband cold
in the bed and having all sorts of survivor guilt.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
Why did I leave him? I'm alive, he's dead.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
That she and her children get together and they actually
we write a book called are You with Me? Because
it's not like are you with me? Like do you understand?
It's literally, are you with me?
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Dad? Are you still with me?
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Because her three little boys were having such a horrible
time dealing with their father's.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Sudden death, she writes the book and she's.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
On local TV promoting it, and I want you to
hear her words, devastated after her husband's death.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Take a list an hour. Cut eight.
Speaker 10 (09:28):
My husband passed away unexpectedly last year, so it's March
fourth was a one year anniversary for us, and he
was thirty nine. It completely took us all by shock.
And we have three little boys, ten, nine, and six,
and you know, we kind of my kids and I
kind of wrote this book on the different emotions and
(09:53):
grieving processes that we've experienced last year, and you know,
hoping that it can kind of help other kids, you know,
deal with this and kind of, you know, find happiness
some some way or another.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
And let's hear a little bit more of Corey Rich's
on Good Things Utah that's on KTVX, describing what she
and her children had in your are cut nine.
Speaker 10 (10:19):
I'm new to all of this, so kind of doing
all you know, research and reading books and things to
try and understand you know, not only how to grieve
as a widows, as a wife, but also you know,
with my kids, how to help them, how to help
them understand what just happened. And what I have kind
of found is as I mentioned, and it's kind of
(10:41):
the three c's is how I has visualized it, and
it's you know, connection, continuity, and care, and it's you know,
making sure connection is the one major one, and making
sure that their spirit is always alife in your home,
you know, and memories are always brought up, and doing
things that your loved ones love to do, whether it's
(11:01):
riding bike, served their favorite dinner, and just constantly you know,
talking about that.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
I'm just thinking about how children cope with the death
of a dad and doing things that remind you of
your loved one.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
To doctor Angie Arnold, I know.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Every year on my dad's birthday, every night after dinner,
because my dad and mom had largely moved in with us,
spending a lot of times with us because you know, the.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Children were so little.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Just as he passed away, and every night after supper,
I would make him a cup of decaf. So every year,
on his birthday or really throughout the year, I will
send my sister a picture, you know, like on a
text of a cup of decaf just steaming, because we
(11:55):
both know what that means. And I'm just wondering what you,
as a parent can do to help your children how
it Screwcy. I mean as an adult when my father
passed away, but these are little little boys well.
Speaker 6 (12:07):
And Nancy, it's important for all of us to remember
that each child will will remember this differently according to
how old they are. Each child is going to have
a different experience of this grief, so it's very important
to work with each child where they are when this happens,
and not gloss it over as if everyone's experiencing the
(12:29):
same kind of grief. Depending how young some of the
children are, they may not have the words to express
how they feel about the fact that their father is gone.
The older ones have had more time with their dad,
and they're going to have different memories with their dad.
So it's very important to help the children remember the
things that they remember according to what their ages were
(12:51):
when the parent passed away.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
And this is how they came up with the name
of the book.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Are you with me? And our cut eleven?
Speaker 10 (13:01):
The first day of school and you know all the
nerves that kids face on the first day of school
with nuke, you know, and just hoping, you know, Dad,
like walk.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
With me, like help me get through today. They give
me the strength to do that.
Speaker 10 (13:15):
And it has found you know, it's been a lot
of peace for my kids to you know, to really
remember that in the back of their head, that they're
never alone.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 11 (13:35):
If this defense motion is granted by the judge, the
state's case is torpedoed.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
At this hour.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Moscow Mule Mom Corey Richand's defense trying to suppress vital
evidence in the case against her, Eric Richards, dying an
excruciatingly painful death. What happened to Eric Richins? Doctor Crowns,
I'm just thinking about these three little boys in that
home when mom is doing CPR on Eric Richards, who
(14:07):
is dead in the bedroom, already cold to the touch.
And I guess once your call to the touch, there's
no bringing you back. Would you agree with that, doctor Crowns?
Speaker 6 (14:16):
Yeah, I would.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
Agree with that. Once you've gotten cold, you're probably past
the time period where you can be saved.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
So doctor Kendle crowns, it is unusual for thirty nine
year old man to just.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Die in his sleep.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
So what would a medical examiner do in order to
determine cause of death?
Speaker 4 (14:35):
Well, what you do is a complete autopsy. If thirty
nine year olds usually don't die suddenly like that, there's
usually something else going on. So by doing a complete autopsy,
you would check all the organs for any disease processes,
cordinary promposas, coronary or disease different part and abnormalities, etc.
And then what you'd also do as draw toxicology to
(14:57):
run toxicology agreens to see if there any for any
drugs on board, and also do electoralize or fluids from
the eyeball where you could look at his dehydration that
is his glue cos if he had diabetes or anything
like that.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
To just Smith joining us from dailymail dot com, I've
taken a long look at what we have of the
medical examiner's report. What exactly is the cause of death
for Eric Richardson?
Speaker 7 (15:24):
Well, we believe that according to this report, it's a
fatal dose of ensnel, which is a synthetic opioid. Now
you need maybe two milligrams of this.
Speaker 8 (15:37):
Doctor to Killy, he had five times out amount in
his body, Nancy.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Five times the amount of a lethal dose a sentinel.
You know I introduced to you doctor Paul Christo earlier.
In addition to being an associate prophet John Hopkins School
of Medicine, that's not shabby, he's also an opioid expert,
doctor Christo.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
As I said.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
Earlier, this is a devout Mormon family. Again, they don't
even drink chocolate milk because they think it's a stimulant.
So I've got them drinking Moscow mules plus fentunnel. What
exactly is fentanyl? I know there's an opioid crisis. I
know there's a fentanyl crisis. I know people are dying
(16:24):
every day a fentyl overdoses. But could you give us
some street names? What is fentanyl and what does it
do to you?
Speaker 5 (16:31):
Well, fentanyl is an opioid first and foremost, and opioids
are used as pain relievers. They enter the bloodstream, they
bind to various different what are called opioid receptors in
the brain and spinal cord to reduce pain. First and foremost,
we use them for many many years as pain specialists
(16:52):
and also in the operating room and antiphysiologists. But fentanyl
is synthetics, so non syntheticaloids would be like codeine, for example,
or morphine. Synthetic means it's just made in the laboratory
of a pharmaceutical company. Typically can be very useful as
a pain reliever.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
You mean, like Walter White breaking bad. Yes, you make
it in a lab.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Well, then make it in an RV sometimes, but you
just make it, you cook it up.
Speaker 5 (17:18):
Yeah, that's right. You can make it an RV. You
can make it illegally, certainly, yes, and then pharmaceutically it's legal.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Ah.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
I'm so glad you said that, doctor Christo, because a
further analysis reveals that the fentanyl in Eric's blood was
not legal. So apparently you can tell whether fentanyl is illegal,
such as prescribed by a doctor and you go get
it at the pharmacy or illegal, And I guess that
(17:46):
goes straight back to how it's made.
Speaker 5 (17:48):
That's right. We have more sophisticated methods now determining whether
medications or drugs are legal or illegal, and in this case,
it sounds like it was illegal.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
So bottom line, he's not getting it from the Walgreens
or the CBS or the Dwayne Reid. He's getting it
somewhere else. Okay, you know who would know this on
this panel. Let's just go with doctor Angie Arnold. Do
you know what's in a Moscow mule?
Speaker 12 (18:17):
No?
Speaker 6 (18:17):
I'm sorry, I don't.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Man, I got a surprise that you just surprised me
because I could just see kicked bat with some of
those copper I bet Bobby Chacone does.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
Bobby Chaconne, former special.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Agent with the FBI and screenwriter for Criminal Minds. You
can find him at bobbychecone dot com.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Bobby, there is no way you don't know what a
Moscow mule is.
Speaker 6 (18:38):
No.
Speaker 9 (18:38):
Yeah, the basic ingredients of ginger beer and vodka or
some kind of pard of Liquor's usually served in like
a copper cup. It's a very specific drink. Ginger beer
obviously ginger people familiar with ginger has a very strong
kind of taste, a very unique kind of taste, almost
overpowering if you use too much of it. So, yeah,
it's a very specific drink. It's become very trendy in
(18:58):
recent years, and ginger beer is kind of the overwhelming
taste that you get that ginger from the ginger beer,
which is the main ingredient.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
To doctor Paul Christo, joining us, if you're an expert,
what does.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
What does fennyl taste like?
Speaker 5 (19:13):
Nola is usually tasteless. It's usually tasteless.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
So if I chewed up an oxy, it would taste
like nothing.
Speaker 5 (19:20):
Well, oxy know is different from fentanyl.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Okay, that shows how much I know.
Speaker 5 (19:24):
But but yes, probably would taste a bit different.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Well, what's a straight name for fentyl?
Speaker 5 (19:29):
There really is no street I mean it typically goes
by fentanyl.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Can it mean a tablet?
Speaker 5 (19:34):
Absolutely?
Speaker 1 (19:35):
And so if I chew up a fentyl tablet, I
taste nothing.
Speaker 5 (19:39):
Typically you're not going to taste anything unless something's been
added to the tablet.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Interesting, Interesting, doctor Paul Christo.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
According to my crack legal analyst Jackie, there are some
straight names crazy.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
What did you say, crazy one?
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Crazy one, dance fever, dragon's breath. I've never heard any that,
so I don't know how reliable that is.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
Can I make a statement?
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Yes? Jump in.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
So when it first came out, it was called drop
dead because a lot of the people who were injecting
fentnyl died, So quickly they left the needle in the
in their arm. So the street name was originally dropped
dead because when you took it, you dropped dead instantly.
I think that's kind of fallen out of favor because
every area has regional names for it.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Well, I guess that's a little bad for business for dopers.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
Well for business, that's why it started.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Only you Candle Crowns only Well, you can imagine the
shock that reverberates through the community when this goes down.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Take a list now, cut fourteen Katie the xe breaking.
Speaker 13 (20:45):
Is this our local children's book author.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Charged with murder.
Speaker 13 (20:49):
Thirty three year old Corey Richins of Chemis is being
held in the Summit County Jail with no bail.
Speaker 9 (20:54):
Now.
Speaker 13 (20:54):
She promoted her book on the Grief on Good Things Utah.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
That's the video you're seeing here. This is about a
month to go.
Speaker 13 (21:00):
Court documents today showing the murder happened in March of
twenty twenty two, an online obituary showing her husband, thirty
nine year old Eric Ritchards, died that same month.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
As it turns out, according to investigators, there had been
other previous instances where the wife in this case had
tried to murder her husband, and I find it extremely
interesting and I want to go to Jeffrey Wolf on
this criminal defense attorney. High profile criminal criminal defense attorney
(21:34):
joining us out of Colorado. You can find them at
Wolflaw Colorado dot com.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Jeffrey, you know what I love.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
I love what we call in my jurisdiction similar transactions. Typically,
as we saw in the Alex Murdad case, for instance,
a person's history of bad acts cannot come in at
trial unless and until it is proven that those bad
(22:03):
acts are let's just say a fingerprint of the case
in chief to show motive, course of conduct, scame, frame
of mind.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Would you agree with that, Jeffrey Wolf.
Speaker 14 (22:16):
Yeah, one hundred percent. The rule you're talking about is
Rule four or four B, which is a federal rule
of evidence that is mirrored in almost all fifty states.
That's going to talk about whether somebody's prior bad acts
can come in as evidence in the case against them. Currently,
it can't come in to show act and conformity therewith
meaning just because they did something before they did it again,
(22:38):
But it can come in for all these other reasons
that you're talking about, plan motive, scheme, motives, operandi to
show who this person is, how they operate, and how
that ties them to this event.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Two Jen joining us from dealingmail dot com. Jensmith, what
can you tell us about prior incidents, including one on
Valentine's Day just a month the month before Eric drops
dead in a sleep.
Speaker 7 (23:05):
Yeah, exactly, so we know about the Valentine's Day incident
that you mentioned. Then they ate a meal together and
he became very ill afterwards. As a result, he ended
up telling friends, I think my wife had poisoned me.
Not only is that disturbing, but more so is the
fact that this was the second time he thought she
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had tried to poison him. Once previously, during a vacation
with the family, he told his sister that he thought
she had tried to poison him, so once by what
happens after.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
That, So the first time we believe this is according
to him. And I'm going to go back to Jeff
Wolf for just a moment about how you can or
cannot use the words of someone now dead in court.
Because under the sixth Amendment, everybody on trial has the
right to cross examine witnesses, evidence, documents, tests used against
(24:01):
them and if the persons now dead, you cannot cross
examine them.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
It's hearsay.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
So how can you get this information into evidence to
show if you can, that there were prior attempts on
Eric's life? The first one, Jenn Smith, is I believe
about three years ago in Greece, family vacation, as you described,
and they had dinner and drinks together and he got
(24:27):
very very ill, and that's when he called his sister.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
Was that when he called a sister?
Speaker 7 (24:32):
Yeah, we think so, we know that. We're not sure
exactly when this vacation was, only that it was several
years ago, maybe a few years ago, and he confided
in his sister. And this is a sister who he
continued to confide in, especially about his Maraitil problems with Curry.
So that was the first instant.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
So I believe it was about three years ago. That
was in Greece. Fast forward, he didn't die. Fast forward
to this past March.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Okay, March a year ago.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Yeah, that's when he died the month before on Valentine's Day.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
What happened, Jen? What happened? Jen Smith?
Speaker 7 (25:13):
We know that they sat down to have dinner together
in their home and for whatever reason, even though he
has this previous suspicion that his wife has tried to
poison him at least once before he sits down with her.
He has a meal with her, and again he becomes
incredibly ill. He doesn't die, and we don't really know
even if he went to the hospital. We're just going
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off of what we've seen in the start for it,
and it's been released so far.
Speaker 8 (25:39):
He became very very ill after that Valentine's stay.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
And it was so bad he used an EpiPen and
vantage reill and still went unconscious.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Guess what, he didn't die again.
Speaker 11 (25:52):
Detective Eric Maynard and Deputy Jamie Woody were questioned about
what happened in the initial investigation of Cory Richins. They
described detaining Riches before executing search warrants for her home
in person, Her defense lawyers arguing they took her phone
without a warrant, and accused them of not informing her
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of her rights. We all know the Miranda rights. You
have the right to remain silent, you have a right
to a lawyer, and so forth. Maynard and Woody insist
Cory Richins was not under arrest at that time and
she voluntarily hinted over her phone. They do, however, state
that they never explicitly informed her of her rights or
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asked if she wanted her a lawyer present. If I
were prosecuting this case, I would say because she wasn't
under arrest at that time, that said what happened?
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Doctor Angie Arnold.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
If I had two brushes with death while David is
hovering over me, I would leave. But I've got a
feeling this guy, Eric Richards did not want to believe
his wife would try to kill him, even though he
verbalized that.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
I think she's trying to poison me. I think he
didn't want to truly accept it and leave the boys.
Speaker 6 (27:12):
I completely agree with you and NaN's And if you
thought that someone was actually trying to kill you, and
this is the person that has been called the love
of your life, then what could she possibly do to
your children if you're not there? So you can't abandon
your children for your own sake. No, people don't do that.
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So he was just taking his chances. I guess, scared,
probably in some disbelief that she would actually want to
kill him. Right, So you might think it, but you're
still going to be in disbelief that this woman who
you're sleeping with, and who you're going on trips with
and you're going to the kid's baseball games with, is
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actually trying to kill you and who you're practicing your
Mormon religion with. How I we call that an incongruent thought?
How incongruent could that be to this man? Okay, maybe
she's trying to kill me, but really is she?
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Is she?
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (28:10):
I think he just really he may have said that,
but he couldn't truly take it in. You know another thing,
I love Bobby Chacone as I know you do too
for more special agent with the FBI. I love cell
phone data. I love it so much. I want you
to take a listen to our cut seventeen our friend
Ariel Harrison.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
Evidence gathered in the death investigation revealed Corey claims she
was away from her phone that night and it was
left on a charger by her bed.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
Teams, However, gathered evidence the phone.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
Was in use during that time and sent messages had
been deleted. Additional evidence showed Corey was in contact with
a drug dealer in Ogden leading up to Eric's death.
The legal document state she received both hydrocodone pills and
sentinel from the dealer claiming the drugs were intended for
a client experiencing back pain. At one point, please say
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she requested for quote the Michael Jackson stuff, asking specifically
for fentanyl. Information from the autopsy report determined Eric died
from an overdose of fentanyl five times the lethal dosage.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
Well, that's like drinking from the fire hydrant. That is
so much, way too fast. I can't drink it in.
Let's just start with Bobby Chacne the phone evidence, because
she says, I wasn't on.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
The phone all night.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
I plugged it in in our room and then I
went down the hall to sleep with one of my
boys who.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Was having nightmares. I go back at.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Three am ish and I find him cult to the touch.
Did I immediately perform CPR? But the phone says and
helped me out? Jasmith, I believe the phones showed that
there have been a lot of texting back and forth
during the time where she says the phone was plugged in,
not in use while she was in her son's room
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and all those texts were deleted. So what is she
doing texting back and forth our husband is dying and
then lying about it. I mean, Ja Smith, are those
that are those facts correct?
Speaker 7 (30:12):
Those facts are absolutely correct. Now, she obviously thought that
she was outsmarting the authority when she told them that
she left her phone plugged in. Maybe she thought that
it was the location inside the husband show. But yees,
she there is a record, there's a digital record.
Speaker 9 (30:28):
We know that, we've.
Speaker 7 (30:29):
Spoken about it many times. Then you can't get rid
of it, this digital footprint.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Yes, Bobby Cohen just saw digital evidence basically convict Alex
Murdogg and the double murder of his wife and son,
Maggie and Maggie and Paul. So what about this? Have
my phone plugged in the whole night, you know, until
I find him killed?
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Overdead?
Speaker 9 (30:51):
Yeah? I mean, when you have a case like this
with she's the only other person that could have, you know,
either rendered aid or caused harm. There's no fourth entry,
there's no pot trauma. You immediately start to get her
story and for her initial statement. The minute those phone
records come back and you realize she lied to you,
she has to become suspect number one because now, why
would a wife lie about using her phone in the
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immediate aftermath of finding her husband dead or during the
period where she found him dead or shortly before that.
So the minute you find out she lied to you
about the phone, you have to start taking a much
harder look at her, who her associates, look at her
phone records harder, Who is she being calling? Who should
being in contact with? So she made her by lying,
she made herself suspect number one. If she would have
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simply come up with a different excuse on why she
was texting, maybe she had the phone in bed with
her with the kid and she was. But the minute
she lied about that, she has to become suspect one, right.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Then the gig is up.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
Jeffrey Wolfe, high profile lawyer joining us out of Colorado
at Wolflawcolorado dot com. I want you to take a
listen to another alarming circumstance and our cut three our
friends from crime online.
Speaker 15 (32:00):
Valentine's Day twenty twenty two. Eric Richins becomes violently ill
after suffering an allergic reaction after having dinner with his
wife of nine years, Corey. He breaks out in hives,
can't Breathe passes out after using his son's EpiPen and
taking Benadreel. When Eric wakes up he calls his business partner,
Cody Wright, to let him know what has just happened. Then,
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without Corey knowing, Eric changes the beneficiary of his will
and his power of attorney, replacing his wife Corey with
his sister. Legal paperwork suggests that Eric believes Corey might
kill him for the money, and he wants his children
to be financially secure.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
Crime stores with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Defense lawyers also questioning to take jeff A Driscoll about
whether he interviewed without her lawyer present, which if she
had asked for a lawyer, would violate your six Amendment
right to a lawyer. The detective described Corey Richards's quote cheery,
i e. Cheerful and open to speaking with law enforcement,
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noting after the three hour meeting, she sent a follow
up email with additional information related.
Speaker 11 (33:22):
To the investigation. What happened to Eric Richards.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
She goes into his life insurance policy where his partner
Cody is his beneficiary, his business partner, and she changes
it to make her exclusively the life insurance policy beneficiary.
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And he's so worried after this Valentine's Day incident where
he gets horribly ill, he cracks a joke, Hey, she
might kill me for the money, and he changes his will.
I mean, Jeffrey willf That is no joke.
Speaker 14 (34:05):
No, it certainly is no joke. And what you saw
here in this case is you see her attempt to
take his business life insurance policy. I have one with
my law partner. If something happens to one of us,
we want to make sure the business is secure. And
so she goes into that policy and attempts to change
it so that she gets the money if he dies,
and then he has this magic allergic reaction. My wife
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has a severe allergy that could cause problems for her
one of my employees, does you can bet your bottom
dollar if I'm making them food or if I'm buying
a meal for them, I'm making sure that those ingredients
are not present, because those are people I care about
who I have a knowledge would be in trouble.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
What is your wife allergic to you?
Speaker 14 (34:45):
By the way, she's allergic to raw tomatoes. It's a
very unique allergy that a lot of restaurants have trouble with.
But you can bet your bottom dollar there's no raw
tomatoes than anything I buy her or serve her, because
I know what would happen, okay, and so the fact
that she did that is incredibly concerning. And she did
it after attempting to make that change. The company caught it,
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by the way, and it was changed back. And then
when he wakes up from that, he calls his business
partner to tell him his suspicions. Joking or not, that
could be a present sense impression, which is a reason
to get hearsay in at the trial. Since you were
mentioning hearsay before, wasn't aware I had an evidence test today,
but I'm going to pass it.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
I was ready to pounce on you with a hearsay loophole.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
That go ahead.
Speaker 14 (35:33):
I'm ready for it. I'm ready for it. My evidence
practicum professor from law school would be so proud and
so present sense impression allows those statements of somebody who
is not available to be cross examined to come in.
But it's going to require a recency to the event
and something to say that they were still under the
impression of that event in order to be able to
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get that statement in. So how quickly he called him
after he woke up needing to use an EpiPen and
benadryl is going to matter a great deal.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
How would you compare presences impression to excited utterance exception?
Speaker 14 (36:08):
So, excited utterance is something that happens right then you're
seeing something and you're saying exactly what you're seeing in
that moment.
Speaker 9 (36:14):
It happens a lot on nine to one one calls
right right.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
When you wake up from an overdose of fennel. That
kind of excited utterance.
Speaker 14 (36:22):
It could be an excited utterance, but it has you
have to be excited, right, So it's not just that
you're saying something that's happening and relaying it as it's happening.
You have to be in an excited state as well.
That emotional state. If he called and he's making a
joke about it, that could still be a present sense
impression to say that this is something that I have
recently seen.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
You think there's any problem getting these statements in?
Speaker 14 (36:43):
Honestly, I think that it's going to be a tough
road to hoe to get these, you know, statements of
somebody who's not able.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
I totally disagree.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
That's why we have the exceptions to the hearsay role
for situations just like this.
Speaker 14 (36:57):
It is exactly why we have the the hearsay exceptions. However,
in a court and you're doing a criminal trial, the
only person who has a right to affair trial is
the criminal defendant, and some judges will air on the
side of caution.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
Sure, okay, you know what, let me throw something else
at you. Let me throw something else at you.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
Now we already know that you know what's your cut
five ksl.
Speaker 12 (37:21):
Core Papers say Corey first bought painkillers from a drug
dealer weeks later, asking for something stronger. She called it
some of the Michael Jackson stuff. That was just before
Valentine's Day last year. Records say on Valentine's Day, Eric
became very ill and believed he had been poisoned, and
told a friend he thought his wife was trying to
poison him. The dealer told police that two weeks later,
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Corey purchased morphetinyl. Six days later, on March fourth, twenty
twenty two, Eric was found dead of a fentanyl overdose.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
Let me get this straight, Jen Smith, chief investigative reporter
dailymail dot Com, on the story from the very beginning.
So he has a horrible episode in Greece where he
calls his sister and says, I.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
Swear I think she's trying to kill me. Ha ha ha.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
Then fast forward to February twenty twenty two, Valentine's Day,
another horrible episode. After eating and drinking, there is your
similar transaction. Jeff Wolf always after ingesting food or drink
beverage with his wife, always the same mo modus operandi,
(38:28):
method of operation. She puts whatever it is. If whatever
he is ingesting, so is Valentine's. They have a dinner
and drinks. Bam, he's out again.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
This time he lives.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
The second time, changes his insurance back, changes his will,
And then we find out that prior to the February
incident Valentine's and the March incident, she goes back to
the drug dealer and she says, hey, I need some more.
She buys nine hundred dollars worth a sentinel. In March,
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he doesn't die. She goes back to the same deal
or says, hey give me some more.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
Man.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
She buys nine hundred dollars worth more. This time he dies.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
You know, have you ever seen those pictures?
Speaker 2 (39:16):
If you want to be an artist, you can just
paint between the lines and suddenly have this beautiful picture.
Speaker 14 (39:21):
Jeff Wolf's Yeah, I have seen it. And that's what
we're looking at here, is that the pieces of this
just keep coming into focus. And throw on top of
the fact that these are similar transactions that could go
to a modus operande or a pattern of behavior, but
throw into that that a lot of states, my state
Colorado being one of them, have domestic violence allowances for
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similar transaction. Four be evidence as well to show the
certain types of behaviors that can occur in a domestic
violence relationship as well. And you're going to start seeing
all of this stuff like an avalanche coming in against
the defense, and it is going to be very, very
tough to beat it all back with, no matter how big.
Speaker 9 (40:00):
You that is.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
Bobby Dracone and Jenna Smith, I want you to hear
our cut seven are friends at ABC.
Speaker 16 (40:05):
A Utah woman who wrote a children's book about coping
with grief after the death of her husband last year
has now been charged with his murder. Corey Richins was
arrested yesterday accused of poisoning her husband Eric with fentanyl.
She also faced drug charges. Just last month, Richards appeared
on local TV to promote her book.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
About a boy who lost his dad.
Speaker 16 (40:23):
At the time, she said her husband's unexpected death left
her and their three boys reeling.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
Bobby Chacon not only the constantly she murdered him, she
then writes a book and tries to sell it on
TV and on Amazon.
Speaker 9 (40:39):
Really, yeah, I'm not sure that. I mean, I'm sure
the investigators are watching that. I'm not sure it's acted
that much on the They probably already had her in
their sight, you know, her journey to do this kind
of brings the next level evil to her. But I'm
sure that you know, once they saw the toxicology report,
once they got those phone records back, which was all
within six, eight ten weeks of the event of the murder,
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they had her in their sights and it was a
matter of finding that drug dealer, getting a statement from them,
and just trying everything together with the prosecutor and putting
it all together. That her writing the book, I mean,
I just I think that impacts her reputation in the
community more than this actual case, because everything was put together.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
Well, that's going to hurt her a whole lot more
than murdering her husband.
Speaker 1 (41:24):
Doctor Angey Arnold, will you help me out please, I mean,
to murder.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
Your husband and then write a book about how much.
Your children are suffering, what they're going through. We had
one child that I was already having nightmares according to her.
Speaker 1 (41:40):
But doing that not just.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
To your husband, but to your children and then trying
to profit off of it with a book.
Speaker 6 (41:46):
Nancy, I think it shows that she has a complete
lack of attachment to her husband. Lots of people do
not develop attachment. There's something called attachment theory. Okay, So
I believe that she lacks attachment to the people in
her life, and that is what It doesn't mean you're insane, no,
but she doesn't have any attachment. How do you kill
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your husband? So to me, that's the worst thing that
she's done. So anything after that.
Speaker 2 (42:13):
Okay, bombshell. If the judge grants these emotions, the state's
case against Moscow muleman Corey Richins is destroyed. What happened
to husband Eric Richards? We wait as justice unfolds.
Speaker 11 (42:28):
Goodbye for then,
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Why won't she just go away?
Speaker 2 (00:09):
So called Moscow Mule Mom Cory Richins defenses arguing that
vital evidence be suppressed for a jury never to hear
about it. Corey Richins charging the poisoning death of her husband,
the father of their children. I'm Nancy Grace, this is
crime Stories. Thank you for being with us in the
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last days. Moscow Mule Mom. Corey Richins lawyers insist Summit
County Sheriff's office illegally obtain evidence investigating her in connection
to the death of her husband, Eric Richins. They want
data from her phone and Apple accounts, the controversial letter
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recovered from her jail cell, commonly referred to as the
Walk the Dog letter, where she's trying to scrape up
an all by and convinced people to lie for her,
and statements made by Corey Richings before her arrest. All
three of those bodies of evidence are subject to being suppressed.
(01:18):
Repeat three motions to suppress made by Moscow Mule Mom
Corey Richins. One statements made by Riches before her arrest,
two data from her phone and Apple accounts, and three
the controversial Walk the Dog letter. What happened to Corey
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Richards's husband Eric. First of all, take a listen to
our friends say ku TV.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
This is the home where police found Eric Richards dead
on his bedroom floor in March. Sir Richins and his
wife Corey were celebrating a business accomplishment the night he died.
Corey made Eric a moscow mule, which he drank in
the bedroom.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
They say. Corey told authorities that.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
She left to help one of their children and return
to the bed several hours later. It was then they say,
she noticed Eric was cool to the touch and called.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Nine one one.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
What a horrible event to leave your husband go fall
asleep in the bedroom with one of your sons. She
wanders back in there to sleep in their bed around
three am and her husband is cold to the touch.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
With me in all star panel to make sense of
what we know right now.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
But first I want to go to chief Medical Examiner
out of Terran County. That's Fort Worth Lecturer, University of Texas,
Austin and Texas Christian University Medical School, Dtor Kendall Crowns,
Doctor Crowns. It's such an honor to have you and
doctor Paul Christo with us.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Doctor Crown's. My first question to.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
You is how long has a body How long has
the person been dead before their body is cold to
the touch?
Speaker 4 (02:56):
Hugely wants your hearts reading, and your body are taking
on the temperature of the rounding environment, so it can
happen in a probably about a half hour to an
hour where you can start noticing the body and cheer
temperature gotten cold.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Okay, you know, doctor Kindle Crowns. I know you're the
MD and I'm the JD. But I believe I'm going
to seek a second opinion. I'm going to go to
doctor Paul Christo, professor at Johns Hopkins School of Medicine,
author of Aches and Gains, A Comprehensive Guide to Overcoming
(03:34):
Your Pain, Doctor Paul Christo, I thought it would take
so much longer for a body to get completely cold
to the touch. And I do agree with doctor Kendall
Crowns regarding the ambient air in the room and what difference.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
That would make.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
But in this case, they were at home with their
three little boys, so I'm assuming I think it's safe
to assume that temperature would have been between sixty nine
and let's just say seventy one.
Speaker 5 (04:05):
Right, I mean, I would probably say somewhere around similar,
Doctor Crown, probably, you know, forty minutes to an hour's.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Doctor Paul Christo. How often do people just die in
their sleep? I mean, this is a young man who
was thirty nine years old at the time of his death.
Speaker 5 (04:21):
Not very often surprised to say, I mean, this is
this is a rare event. It doesn't happen unless you have,
you know, maybe some underlying cardiac problems, for example, maybe
pulmonary problems. It's very rare just to drop dead in.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Your sleep, you know, Doctor Angela Arnold joining me psychiatrist,
renown psychiatrist in the Atlanta jurisdiction at angela Arnold MD
dot com. Doctor Angie. Maybe it's just my line of business.
But when I've ever I hear died in your sleep,
there's always something bad attached to that.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
But I guess people really do die in their.
Speaker 6 (04:55):
Sleep, Well, they do, Nancy, And it's usually older people
who in their sleep they can suffer in a rhythmia
of their heart, and those are the people that can
die in their sleep. But like you said, Nancy, whenever
we hear of a younger person dying in their sleep,
there's there's some curiosity about that. I mean, young people
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don't have heart issues typically, so young people don't typically
die in their sleep, and that's typically what you die
from in the at night.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
I disagree with you too, all three of you, doctors.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
I and my vast knowledge of medicine disagree with all
of you.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Because my dad had.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
His first coronary thrombosis at age thirty nine.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
That's pretty young. And this guy is thirty nine.
Speaker 6 (05:40):
Well, it is nancy, but that's still unusual. It's not
it's not that that's not the norm. That's all I
would say.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Okay, all right, let me get back on track. This
guy is actually celebrating.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
You know. I want to let Jen Smith tell you.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Jen Smith is joining US chief investigative reporter for Dailymail
dot com on this from the very beginning the unus
you will death of Eric Rich's just thirty nine years old,
father of three little boys. Jen, thank you for being
with us. Explain to me how this whole thing went
down because they were having a celebration that evening. From
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what I understand, the wife, Corey rich AND's, flips houses.
She'll buy She's got a business partner. They buy houses.
They improve them and then they flip them like on
AHGTV the flip your house.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
That's what she does.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
And that evening they were having some kind of a
celebration because she had closed on a home.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
You tell me, Jen, Yeah, that's.
Speaker 7 (06:40):
Exactly right now, toy. But the actually our understanding all
of it is that they worked pretty closely together a
career and her husband, Eric, like you say, exactly the
type of business that you just described. They flipped houses.
So when Eric came home that evening and his wife
is at the house with the kids, they're celebrating because
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he has just closed a deal on a sale of
a home, so bringing more money into the family. And listen,
this is a picture perfect family. They lived in a
really nice area not too far.
Speaker 8 (07:14):
Outside of Park City in Utah. The town is called Kamas.
Speaker 7 (07:19):
Really beautiful rural.
Speaker 8 (07:20):
In the mountains, and they had this great life. They
themselves lived in a one point one million dollar home,
and as you rightly pointed out, Eric had just closed
another deal. So it was a happy occasion for the
Richards family this evening.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Now let me understand they're Mormons, correct, they are?
Speaker 7 (07:38):
Yeah, So Eric Richards actually comes from a pretty prominent
Mormon family. The Richards family is a large family in
at least Stomach County.
Speaker 8 (07:47):
This is the area of Utah that we're talking about,
many many.
Speaker 7 (07:50):
Relatives and very well known.
Speaker 8 (07:53):
In the community. He and Turi had been married for
nine years and they had three beautiful boys together when
he died.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
That's my question. I have several friends that are devout Mormons.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
They don't even drink chocolate milk gin because chocolate is
a stimulant.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
So these two are having moscow mules.
Speaker 9 (08:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (08:13):
So what we know know is that after he returns
home from closing this deal, as a celebration curry, his
wife makes him a Moscow mules, the vodka ba his coltail,
and that is where they kind of leave things for
the night. Like you say, she goes.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Off to get with the son who is having a nightmare,
sleeps in the room with the sun having a nightmare.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Yeah, and she.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Leaves him sitting up in bed having his drink, TV going,
everything's fine. So this mom devastated finding her husband cold
in the bed and having all sorts of survivor guilt.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
Why did I leave him? I'm alive, he's dead.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
That she and her children get together and they actually
we write a book called are You with Me? Because
it's not like are you with me? Like do you understand?
It's literally, are you with me?
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Dad? Are you still with me?
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Because her three little boys were having such a horrible
time dealing with their father's.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Sudden death, she writes the book and she's.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
On local TV promoting it, and I want you to
hear her words, devastated after her husband's death.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Take a list an hour. Cut eight.
Speaker 10 (09:28):
My husband passed away unexpectedly last year, so it's March
fourth was a one year anniversary for us, and he
was thirty nine. It completely took us all by shock.
And we have three little boys, ten, nine, and six,
and you know, we kind of my kids and I
kind of wrote this book on the different emotions and
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grieving processes that we've experienced last year, and you know,
hoping that it can kind of help other kids, you know,
deal with this and kind of, you know, find happiness
some some way or another.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
And let's hear a little bit more of Corey Rich's
on Good Things Utah that's on KTVX, describing what she
and her children had in your are cut nine.
Speaker 10 (10:19):
I'm new to all of this, so kind of doing
all you know, research and reading books and things to
try and understand you know, not only how to grieve
as a widows, as a wife, but also you know,
with my kids, how to help them, how to help
them understand what just happened. And what I have kind
of found is as I mentioned, and it's kind of
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the three c's is how I has visualized it, and
it's you know, connection, continuity, and care, and it's you know,
making sure connection is the one major one, and making
sure that their spirit is always alife in your home,
you know, and memories are always brought up, and doing
things that your loved ones love to do, whether it's
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riding bike, served their favorite dinner, and just constantly you know,
talking about that.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
I'm just thinking about how children cope with the death
of a dad and doing things that remind you of
your loved one.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
To doctor Angie Arnold, I know.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Every year on my dad's birthday, every night after dinner,
because my dad and mom had largely moved in with us,
spending a lot of times with us because you know, the.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Children were so little.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Just as he passed away, and every night after supper,
I would make him a cup of decaf. So every year,
on his birthday or really throughout the year, I will
send my sister a picture, you know, like on a
text of a cup of decaf just steaming, because we
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both know what that means. And I'm just wondering what you,
as a parent can do to help your children how
it Screwcy. I mean as an adult when my father
passed away, but these are little little boys well.
Speaker 6 (12:07):
And Nancy, it's important for all of us to remember
that each child will will remember this differently according to
how old they are. Each child is going to have
a different experience of this grief, so it's very important
to work with each child where they are when this happens,
and not gloss it over as if everyone's experiencing the
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same kind of grief. Depending how young some of the
children are, they may not have the words to express
how they feel about the fact that their father is gone.
The older ones have had more time with their dad,
and they're going to have different memories with their dad.
So it's very important to help the children remember the
things that they remember according to what their ages were
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when the parent passed away.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
And this is how they came up with the name
of the book.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Are you with me? And our cut eleven?
Speaker 10 (13:01):
The first day of school and you know all the
nerves that kids face on the first day of school
with nuke, you know, and just hoping, you know, Dad,
like walk.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
With me, like help me get through today. They give
me the strength to do that.
Speaker 10 (13:15):
And it has found you know, it's been a lot
of peace for my kids to you know, to really
remember that in the back of their head, that they're
never alone.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 11 (13:35):
If this defense motion is granted by the judge, the
state's case is torpedoed.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
At this hour.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Moscow Mule Mom Corey Richand's defense trying to suppress vital
evidence in the case against her, Eric Richards, dying an
excruciatingly painful death. What happened to Eric Richins? Doctor Crowns,
I'm just thinking about these three little boys in that
home when mom is doing CPR on Eric Richards, who
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is dead in the bedroom, already cold to the touch.
And I guess once your call to the touch, there's
no bringing you back. Would you agree with that, doctor Crowns?
Speaker 6 (14:16):
Yeah, I would.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
Agree with that. Once you've gotten cold, you're probably past
the time period where you can be saved.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
So doctor Kendle crowns, it is unusual for thirty nine
year old man to just.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Die in his sleep.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
So what would a medical examiner do in order to
determine cause of death?
Speaker 4 (14:35):
Well, what you do is a complete autopsy. If thirty
nine year olds usually don't die suddenly like that, there's
usually something else going on. So by doing a complete autopsy,
you would check all the organs for any disease processes,
cordinary promposas, coronary or disease different part and abnormalities, etc.
And then what you'd also do as draw toxicology to
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run toxicology agreens to see if there any for any
drugs on board, and also do electoralize or fluids from
the eyeball where you could look at his dehydration that
is his glue cos if he had diabetes or anything
like that.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
To just Smith joining us from dailymail dot com, I've
taken a long look at what we have of the
medical examiner's report. What exactly is the cause of death
for Eric Richardson?
Speaker 7 (15:24):
Well, we believe that according to this report, it's a
fatal dose of ensnel, which is a synthetic opioid. Now
you need maybe two milligrams of this.
Speaker 8 (15:37):
Doctor to Killy, he had five times out amount in
his body, Nancy.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Five times the amount of a lethal dose a sentinel.
You know I introduced to you doctor Paul Christo earlier.
In addition to being an associate prophet John Hopkins School
of Medicine, that's not shabby, he's also an opioid expert,
doctor Christo.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
As I said.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
Earlier, this is a devout Mormon family. Again, they don't
even drink chocolate milk because they think it's a stimulant.
So I've got them drinking Moscow mules plus fentunnel. What
exactly is fentanyl? I know there's an opioid crisis. I
know there's a fentanyl crisis. I know people are dying
(16:24):
every day a fentyl overdoses. But could you give us
some street names? What is fentanyl and what does it
do to you?
Speaker 5 (16:31):
Well, fentanyl is an opioid first and foremost, and opioids
are used as pain relievers. They enter the bloodstream, they
bind to various different what are called opioid receptors in
the brain and spinal cord to reduce pain. First and foremost,
we use them for many many years as pain specialists
(16:52):
and also in the operating room and antiphysiologists. But fentanyl
is synthetics, so non syntheticaloids would be like codeine, for example,
or morphine. Synthetic means it's just made in the laboratory
of a pharmaceutical company. Typically can be very useful as
a pain reliever.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
You mean, like Walter White breaking bad. Yes, you make
it in a lab.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Well, then make it in an RV sometimes, but you
just make it, you cook it up.
Speaker 5 (17:18):
Yeah, that's right. You can make it an RV. You
can make it illegally, certainly, yes, and then pharmaceutically it's legal.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Ah.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
I'm so glad you said that, doctor Christo, because a
further analysis reveals that the fentanyl in Eric's blood was
not legal. So apparently you can tell whether fentanyl is illegal,
such as prescribed by a doctor and you go get
it at the pharmacy or illegal, And I guess that
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goes straight back to how it's made.
Speaker 5 (17:48):
That's right. We have more sophisticated methods now determining whether
medications or drugs are legal or illegal, and in this case,
it sounds like it was illegal.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
So bottom line, he's not getting it from the Walgreens
or the CBS or the Dwayne Reid. He's getting it
somewhere else. Okay, you know who would know this on
this panel. Let's just go with doctor Angie Arnold. Do
you know what's in a Moscow mule?
Speaker 12 (18:17):
No?
Speaker 6 (18:17):
I'm sorry, I don't.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Man, I got a surprise that you just surprised me
because I could just see kicked bat with some of
those copper I bet Bobby Chacone does.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
Bobby Chaconne, former special.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Agent with the FBI and screenwriter for Criminal Minds. You
can find him at bobbychecone dot com.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Bobby, there is no way you don't know what a
Moscow mule is.
Speaker 6 (18:38):
No.
Speaker 9 (18:38):
Yeah, the basic ingredients of ginger beer and vodka or
some kind of pard of Liquor's usually served in like
a copper cup. It's a very specific drink. Ginger beer
obviously ginger people familiar with ginger has a very strong
kind of taste, a very unique kind of taste, almost
overpowering if you use too much of it. So, yeah,
it's a very specific drink. It's become very trendy in
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recent years, and ginger beer is kind of the overwhelming
taste that you get that ginger from the ginger beer,
which is the main ingredient.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
To doctor Paul Christo, joining us, if you're an expert,
what does.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
What does fennyl taste like?
Speaker 5 (19:13):
Nola is usually tasteless. It's usually tasteless.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
So if I chewed up an oxy, it would taste
like nothing.
Speaker 5 (19:20):
Well, oxy know is different from fentanyl.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Okay, that shows how much I know.
Speaker 5 (19:24):
But but yes, probably would taste a bit different.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Well, what's a straight name for fentyl?
Speaker 5 (19:29):
There really is no street I mean it typically goes
by fentanyl.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Can it mean a tablet?
Speaker 5 (19:34):
Absolutely?
Speaker 1 (19:35):
And so if I chew up a fentyl tablet, I
taste nothing.
Speaker 5 (19:39):
Typically you're not going to taste anything unless something's been
added to the tablet.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Interesting, Interesting, doctor Paul Christo.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
According to my crack legal analyst Jackie, there are some
straight names crazy.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
What did you say, crazy one?
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Crazy one, dance fever, dragon's breath. I've never heard any that,
so I don't know how reliable that is.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
Can I make a statement?
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Yes? Jump in.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
So when it first came out, it was called drop
dead because a lot of the people who were injecting
fentnyl died, So quickly they left the needle in the
in their arm. So the street name was originally dropped
dead because when you took it, you dropped dead instantly.
I think that's kind of fallen out of favor because
every area has regional names for it.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Well, I guess that's a little bad for business for dopers.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
Well for business, that's why it started.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Only you Candle Crowns only Well, you can imagine the
shock that reverberates through the community when this goes down.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Take a list now, cut fourteen Katie the xe breaking.
Speaker 13 (20:45):
Is this our local children's book author.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Charged with murder.
Speaker 13 (20:49):
Thirty three year old Corey Richins of Chemis is being
held in the Summit County Jail with no bail.
Speaker 9 (20:54):
Now.
Speaker 13 (20:54):
She promoted her book on the Grief on Good Things Utah.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
That's the video you're seeing here. This is about a
month to go.
Speaker 13 (21:00):
Court documents today showing the murder happened in March of
twenty twenty two, an online obituary showing her husband, thirty
nine year old Eric Ritchards, died that same month.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
As it turns out, according to investigators, there had been
other previous instances where the wife in this case had
tried to murder her husband, and I find it extremely
interesting and I want to go to Jeffrey Wolf on
this criminal defense attorney. High profile criminal criminal defense attorney
(21:34):
joining us out of Colorado. You can find them at
Wolflaw Colorado dot com.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Jeffrey, you know what I love.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
I love what we call in my jurisdiction similar transactions. Typically,
as we saw in the Alex Murdad case, for instance,
a person's history of bad acts cannot come in at
trial unless and until it is proven that those bad
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acts are let's just say a fingerprint of the case
in chief to show motive, course of conduct, scame, frame
of mind.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Would you agree with that, Jeffrey Wolf.
Speaker 14 (22:16):
Yeah, one hundred percent. The rule you're talking about is
Rule four or four B, which is a federal rule
of evidence that is mirrored in almost all fifty states.
That's going to talk about whether somebody's prior bad acts
can come in as evidence in the case against them. Currently,
it can't come in to show act and conformity therewith
meaning just because they did something before they did it again,
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But it can come in for all these other reasons
that you're talking about, plan motive, scheme, motives, operandi to
show who this person is, how they operate, and how
that ties them to this event.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Two Jen joining us from dealingmail dot com. Jensmith, what
can you tell us about prior incidents, including one on
Valentine's Day just a month the month before Eric drops
dead in a sleep.
Speaker 7 (23:05):
Yeah, exactly, so we know about the Valentine's Day incident
that you mentioned. Then they ate a meal together and
he became very ill afterwards. As a result, he ended
up telling friends, I think my wife had poisoned me.
Not only is that disturbing, but more so is the
fact that this was the second time he thought she
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had tried to poison him. Once previously, during a vacation
with the family, he told his sister that he thought
she had tried to poison him, so once by what
happens after.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
That, So the first time we believe this is according
to him. And I'm going to go back to Jeff
Wolf for just a moment about how you can or
cannot use the words of someone now dead in court.
Because under the sixth Amendment, everybody on trial has the
right to cross examine witnesses, evidence, documents, tests used against
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them and if the persons now dead, you cannot cross
examine them.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
It's hearsay.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
So how can you get this information into evidence to
show if you can, that there were prior attempts on
Eric's life? The first one, Jenn Smith, is I believe
about three years ago in Greece, family vacation, as you described,
and they had dinner and drinks together and he got
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very very ill, and that's when he called his sister.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
Was that when he called a sister?
Speaker 7 (24:32):
Yeah, we think so, we know that. We're not sure
exactly when this vacation was, only that it was several
years ago, maybe a few years ago, and he confided
in his sister. And this is a sister who he
continued to confide in, especially about his Maraitil problems with Curry.
So that was the first instant.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
So I believe it was about three years ago. That
was in Greece. Fast forward, he didn't die. Fast forward
to this past March.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Okay, March a year ago.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Yeah, that's when he died the month before on Valentine's Day.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
What happened, Jen? What happened? Jen Smith?
Speaker 7 (25:13):
We know that they sat down to have dinner together
in their home and for whatever reason, even though he
has this previous suspicion that his wife has tried to
poison him at least once before he sits down with her.
He has a meal with her, and again he becomes
incredibly ill. He doesn't die, and we don't really know
even if he went to the hospital. We're just going
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off of what we've seen in the start for it,
and it's been released so far.
Speaker 8 (25:39):
He became very very ill after that Valentine's stay.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
And it was so bad he used an EpiPen and
vantage reill and still went unconscious.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Guess what, he didn't die again.
Speaker 11 (25:52):
Detective Eric Maynard and Deputy Jamie Woody were questioned about
what happened in the initial investigation of Cory Richins. They
described detaining Riches before executing search warrants for her home
in person, Her defense lawyers arguing they took her phone
without a warrant, and accused them of not informing her
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of her rights. We all know the Miranda rights. You
have the right to remain silent, you have a right
to a lawyer, and so forth. Maynard and Woody insist
Cory Richins was not under arrest at that time and
she voluntarily hinted over her phone. They do, however, state
that they never explicitly informed her of her rights or
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asked if she wanted her a lawyer present. If I
were prosecuting this case, I would say because she wasn't
under arrest at that time, that said what happened?
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Doctor Angie Arnold.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
If I had two brushes with death while David is
hovering over me, I would leave. But I've got a
feeling this guy, Eric Richards did not want to believe
his wife would try to kill him, even though he
verbalized that.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
I think she's trying to poison me. I think he
didn't want to truly accept it and leave the boys.
Speaker 6 (27:12):
I completely agree with you and NaN's And if you
thought that someone was actually trying to kill you, and
this is the person that has been called the love
of your life, then what could she possibly do to
your children if you're not there? So you can't abandon
your children for your own sake. No, people don't do that.
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So he was just taking his chances. I guess, scared,
probably in some disbelief that she would actually want to
kill him. Right, So you might think it, but you're
still going to be in disbelief that this woman who
you're sleeping with, and who you're going on trips with
and you're going to the kid's baseball games with, is
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actually trying to kill you and who you're practicing your
Mormon religion with. How I we call that an incongruent thought?
How incongruent could that be to this man? Okay, maybe
she's trying to kill me, but really is she?
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Is she?
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (28:10):
I think he just really he may have said that,
but he couldn't truly take it in. You know another thing,
I love Bobby Chacone as I know you do too
for more special agent with the FBI. I love cell
phone data. I love it so much. I want you
to take a listen to our cut seventeen our friend
Ariel Harrison.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
Evidence gathered in the death investigation revealed Corey claims she
was away from her phone that night and it was
left on a charger by her bed.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
Teams, However, gathered evidence the phone.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
Was in use during that time and sent messages had
been deleted. Additional evidence showed Corey was in contact with
a drug dealer in Ogden leading up to Eric's death.
The legal document state she received both hydrocodone pills and
sentinel from the dealer claiming the drugs were intended for
a client experiencing back pain. At one point, please say
(29:00):
she requested for quote the Michael Jackson stuff, asking specifically
for fentanyl. Information from the autopsy report determined Eric died
from an overdose of fentanyl five times the lethal dosage.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
Well, that's like drinking from the fire hydrant. That is
so much, way too fast. I can't drink it in.
Let's just start with Bobby Chacne the phone evidence, because
she says, I wasn't on.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
The phone all night.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
I plugged it in in our room and then I
went down the hall to sleep with one of my
boys who.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Was having nightmares. I go back at.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Three am ish and I find him cult to the touch.
Did I immediately perform CPR? But the phone says and
helped me out? Jasmith, I believe the phones showed that
there have been a lot of texting back and forth
during the time where she says the phone was plugged in,
not in use while she was in her son's room
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and all those texts were deleted. So what is she
doing texting back and forth our husband is dying and
then lying about it. I mean, Ja Smith, are those
that are those facts correct?
Speaker 7 (30:12):
Those facts are absolutely correct. Now, she obviously thought that
she was outsmarting the authority when she told them that
she left her phone plugged in. Maybe she thought that
it was the location inside the husband show. But yees,
she there is a record, there's a digital record.
Speaker 9 (30:28):
We know that, we've.
Speaker 7 (30:29):
Spoken about it many times. Then you can't get rid
of it, this digital footprint.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Yes, Bobby Cohen just saw digital evidence basically convict Alex
Murdogg and the double murder of his wife and son,
Maggie and Maggie and Paul. So what about this? Have
my phone plugged in the whole night, you know, until
I find him killed?
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Overdead?
Speaker 9 (30:51):
Yeah? I mean, when you have a case like this
with she's the only other person that could have, you know,
either rendered aid or caused harm. There's no fourth entry,
there's no pot trauma. You immediately start to get her
story and for her initial statement. The minute those phone
records come back and you realize she lied to you,
she has to become suspect number one because now, why
would a wife lie about using her phone in the
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immediate aftermath of finding her husband dead or during the
period where she found him dead or shortly before that.
So the minute you find out she lied to you
about the phone, you have to start taking a much
harder look at her, who her associates, look at her
phone records harder, Who is she being calling? Who should
being in contact with? So she made her by lying,
she made herself suspect number one. If she would have
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simply come up with a different excuse on why she
was texting, maybe she had the phone in bed with
her with the kid and she was. But the minute
she lied about that, she has to become suspect one, right.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Then the gig is up.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
Jeffrey Wolfe, high profile lawyer joining us out of Colorado
at Wolflawcolorado dot com. I want you to take a
listen to another alarming circumstance and our cut three our
friends from crime online.
Speaker 15 (32:00):
Valentine's Day twenty twenty two. Eric Richins becomes violently ill
after suffering an allergic reaction after having dinner with his
wife of nine years, Corey. He breaks out in hives,
can't Breathe passes out after using his son's EpiPen and
taking Benadreel. When Eric wakes up he calls his business partner,
Cody Wright, to let him know what has just happened. Then,
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without Corey knowing, Eric changes the beneficiary of his will
and his power of attorney, replacing his wife Corey with
his sister. Legal paperwork suggests that Eric believes Corey might
kill him for the money, and he wants his children
to be financially secure.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
Crime stores with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Defense lawyers also questioning to take jeff A Driscoll about
whether he interviewed without her lawyer present, which if she
had asked for a lawyer, would violate your six Amendment
right to a lawyer. The detective described Corey Richards's quote cheery,
i e. Cheerful and open to speaking with law enforcement,
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noting after the three hour meeting, she sent a follow
up email with additional information related.
Speaker 11 (33:22):
To the investigation. What happened to Eric Richards.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
She goes into his life insurance policy where his partner
Cody is his beneficiary, his business partner, and she changes
it to make her exclusively the life insurance policy beneficiary.
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And he's so worried after this Valentine's Day incident where
he gets horribly ill, he cracks a joke, Hey, she
might kill me for the money, and he changes his will.
I mean, Jeffrey willf That is no joke.
Speaker 14 (34:05):
No, it certainly is no joke. And what you saw
here in this case is you see her attempt to
take his business life insurance policy. I have one with
my law partner. If something happens to one of us,
we want to make sure the business is secure. And
so she goes into that policy and attempts to change
it so that she gets the money if he dies,
and then he has this magic allergic reaction. My wife
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has a severe allergy that could cause problems for her
one of my employees, does you can bet your bottom
dollar if I'm making them food or if I'm buying
a meal for them, I'm making sure that those ingredients
are not present, because those are people I care about
who I have a knowledge would be in trouble.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
What is your wife allergic to you?
Speaker 14 (34:45):
By the way, she's allergic to raw tomatoes. It's a
very unique allergy that a lot of restaurants have trouble with.
But you can bet your bottom dollar there's no raw
tomatoes than anything I buy her or serve her, because
I know what would happen, okay, and so the fact
that she did that is incredibly concerning. And she did
it after attempting to make that change. The company caught it,
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by the way, and it was changed back. And then
when he wakes up from that, he calls his business
partner to tell him his suspicions. Joking or not, that
could be a present sense impression, which is a reason
to get hearsay in at the trial. Since you were
mentioning hearsay before, wasn't aware I had an evidence test today,
but I'm going to pass it.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
I was ready to pounce on you with a hearsay loophole.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
That go ahead.
Speaker 14 (35:33):
I'm ready for it. I'm ready for it. My evidence
practicum professor from law school would be so proud and
so present sense impression allows those statements of somebody who
is not available to be cross examined to come in.
But it's going to require a recency to the event
and something to say that they were still under the
impression of that event in order to be able to
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get that statement in. So how quickly he called him
after he woke up needing to use an EpiPen and
benadryl is going to matter a great deal.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
How would you compare presences impression to excited utterance exception?
Speaker 14 (36:08):
So, excited utterance is something that happens right then you're
seeing something and you're saying exactly what you're seeing in
that moment.
Speaker 9 (36:14):
It happens a lot on nine to one one calls
right right.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
When you wake up from an overdose of fennel. That
kind of excited utterance.
Speaker 14 (36:22):
It could be an excited utterance, but it has you
have to be excited, right, So it's not just that
you're saying something that's happening and relaying it as it's happening.
You have to be in an excited state as well.
That emotional state. If he called and he's making a
joke about it, that could still be a present sense
impression to say that this is something that I have
recently seen.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
You think there's any problem getting these statements in?
Speaker 14 (36:43):
Honestly, I think that it's going to be a tough
road to hoe to get these, you know, statements of
somebody who's not able.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
I totally disagree.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
That's why we have the exceptions to the hearsay role
for situations just like this.
Speaker 14 (36:57):
It is exactly why we have the the hearsay exceptions. However,
in a court and you're doing a criminal trial, the
only person who has a right to affair trial is
the criminal defendant, and some judges will air on the
side of caution.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
Sure, okay, you know what, let me throw something else
at you. Let me throw something else at you.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
Now we already know that you know what's your cut
five ksl.
Speaker 12 (37:21):
Core Papers say Corey first bought painkillers from a drug
dealer weeks later, asking for something stronger. She called it
some of the Michael Jackson stuff. That was just before
Valentine's Day last year. Records say on Valentine's Day, Eric
became very ill and believed he had been poisoned, and
told a friend he thought his wife was trying to
poison him. The dealer told police that two weeks later,
(37:44):
Corey purchased morphetinyl. Six days later, on March fourth, twenty
twenty two, Eric was found dead of a fentanyl overdose.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
Let me get this straight, Jen Smith, chief investigative reporter
dailymail dot Com, on the story from the very beginning.
So he has a horrible episode in Greece where he
calls his sister and says, I.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
Swear I think she's trying to kill me. Ha ha ha.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
Then fast forward to February twenty twenty two, Valentine's Day,
another horrible episode. After eating and drinking, there is your
similar transaction. Jeff Wolf always after ingesting food or drink
beverage with his wife, always the same mo modus operandi,
(38:28):
method of operation. She puts whatever it is. If whatever
he is ingesting, so is Valentine's. They have a dinner
and drinks. Bam, he's out again.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
This time he lives.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
The second time, changes his insurance back, changes his will,
And then we find out that prior to the February
incident Valentine's and the March incident, she goes back to
the drug dealer and she says, hey, I need some more.
She buys nine hundred dollars worth a sentinel. In March,
(39:03):
he doesn't die. She goes back to the same deal
or says, hey give me some more.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
Man.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
She buys nine hundred dollars worth more. This time he dies.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
You know, have you ever seen those pictures?
Speaker 2 (39:16):
If you want to be an artist, you can just
paint between the lines and suddenly have this beautiful picture.
Speaker 14 (39:21):
Jeff Wolf's Yeah, I have seen it. And that's what
we're looking at here, is that the pieces of this
just keep coming into focus. And throw on top of
the fact that these are similar transactions that could go
to a modus operande or a pattern of behavior, but
throw into that that a lot of states, my state
Colorado being one of them, have domestic violence allowances for
(39:42):
similar transaction. Four be evidence as well to show the
certain types of behaviors that can occur in a domestic
violence relationship as well. And you're going to start seeing
all of this stuff like an avalanche coming in against
the defense, and it is going to be very, very
tough to beat it all back with, no matter how big.
Speaker 9 (40:00):
You that is.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
Bobby Dracone and Jenna Smith, I want you to hear
our cut seven are friends at ABC.
Speaker 16 (40:05):
A Utah woman who wrote a children's book about coping
with grief after the death of her husband last year
has now been charged with his murder. Corey Richins was
arrested yesterday accused of poisoning her husband Eric with fentanyl.
She also faced drug charges. Just last month, Richards appeared
on local TV to promote her book.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
About a boy who lost his dad.
Speaker 16 (40:23):
At the time, she said her husband's unexpected death left
her and their three boys reeling.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
Bobby Chacon not only the constantly she murdered him, she
then writes a book and tries to sell it on
TV and on Amazon.
Speaker 9 (40:39):
Really, yeah, I'm not sure that. I mean, I'm sure
the investigators are watching that. I'm not sure it's acted
that much on the They probably already had her in
their sight, you know, her journey to do this kind
of brings the next level evil to her. But I'm
sure that you know, once they saw the toxicology report,
once they got those phone records back, which was all
within six, eight ten weeks of the event of the murder,
(41:01):
they had her in their sights and it was a
matter of finding that drug dealer, getting a statement from them,
and just trying everything together with the prosecutor and putting
it all together. That her writing the book, I mean,
I just I think that impacts her reputation in the
community more than this actual case, because everything was put together.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
Well, that's going to hurt her a whole lot more
than murdering her husband.
Speaker 1 (41:24):
Doctor Angey Arnold, will you help me out please, I mean,
to murder.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
Your husband and then write a book about how much.
Your children are suffering, what they're going through. We had
one child that I was already having nightmares according to her.
Speaker 1 (41:40):
But doing that not just.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
To your husband, but to your children and then trying
to profit off of it with a book.
Speaker 6 (41:46):
Nancy, I think it shows that she has a complete
lack of attachment to her husband. Lots of people do
not develop attachment. There's something called attachment theory. Okay, So
I believe that she lacks attachment to the people in
her life, and that is what It doesn't mean you're insane, no,
but she doesn't have any attachment. How do you kill
(42:08):
your husband? So to me, that's the worst thing that
she's done. So anything after that.
Speaker 2 (42:13):
Okay, bombshell. If the judge grants these emotions, the state's
case against Moscow muleman Corey Richins is destroyed. What happened
to husband Eric Richards? We wait as justice unfolds.
Speaker 11 (42:28):
Goodbye for then,
Host
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