September 29, 2025 • 42 mins
A Tesla key card allegedly found near David Anthony Burke, also known as D4vd, Hollywood Hills home, raises questions in the Celeste Rivas Hernandez murder.
Conspiracy theories abound, with one suggesting Celeste died due to an overdose; those around her panicked and hid the body, fearing the death would expose Burke to scrutiny about her age. This could also explain why they wouldn't call 911. Or someone is framing Burke for the death of Celeste.
Multiple people are known to have been driving Burke's Tesla. Steve Fischer says a crime definitely occurred, as Celeste did not put herself in the Tesla.
The Tesla has multiple cameras, including a front-facing camera, two cameras on the windshield, two cameras on the side fenders, and a rear-facing camera, for a 360-degree view of the vehicle's environment. While driving, the Dash-Cam feature uses the exterior cameras to record footage in a loop, continuously capturing the car's surroundings.
The cameras send high-resolution images to the vehicle's onboard computer, which analyzes the data using a neural network. The data is combined with other sensors to create a comprehensive understanding of the environment.
Burke's Tesla was not reported as "stolen" or "missing"; it was reported as an abandoned vehicle by a neighbor. This is the report that led to law enforcement coming out on August 27 and ticketing the vehicle the first time and marking the tires on the car to check for movement. On September 3, the Tesla was ticketed again and towed on September 5.
Video from a liquor store near Celeste's home shows the teen just after 7a.m. on March 19, 2024, walking down the street wearing a black hoodie and white pants.
On the video, the teen is seen jogging around a corner and alternating between a walk and a run before vanishing.
Joining Nancy Grace today:
- Josh Kolsrud - Criminal Defense Attorney and Former Assistant U.S. Attorney, Founder of Kolsrud Law Offices, kolsrudlawoffices.com, Facebook and YouTube @KohlsrudLawOffices
- Caryn Stark - Forensic Psychologist, Renowned TV and Radio Trauma Expert and Consultant; Instagram: carynpsych, FB: Caryn Stark Private Practice
- Steve Fischer - Missing Persons Private Investigator, Search & Rescue Specialist, & Owner of Search Investigations; Facebook: SearchInvestigations, X: @SF_Investigates
- Dr. Kendall Crowns - Chief Medical Examiner Tarrant County (Ft Worth), Host of NEW Podcast "Mayhem in the Morgue”, Lecturer: Burnett School of Medicine at TCU (Texas Christian University)
- Christina Gonzalez - Award-winning Journalist from Fox11 KTTV in Los Angeles; X: cgfox11
- Scott Eicher - A Founding Member of the FBI’s Cellular Analysis Survey Team (C.A.S.T); Historical Cellular Analysis Expert; Former FBI aAgent of 22 years; Former Police Officer and Homicide Detective with Norfolk Virginia Police Dept. having served 12 years; Currently with Precision Cellular Analysis handling Criminal, Defense and Civil case
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
D four VD aka David Anthony Burke, the artist known
as David's alter ego.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
Pain has emerged.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
After a Japanese anime, he created his own alter ego
that he has come up with is Pain. This as
the Tesla key card to his Tesla is found hidden
in a gutter. Why who hides their car keys or
(00:45):
their key card in a gutter and leaves.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
It in that trunk of that tesla.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
A little girl, Celeste just thirteen years old, when she
goes missing body in.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
His trunk Tonight, no arrest? I mean, is he Grace?
Speaker 2 (01:08):
This is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for
being with us tonight. The conspiracy theorists online sleuthing has exploded, with.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Literally dozens and dozens of.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Theories all centering around one thing, the SOD defense.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Some other dude did it.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
But before we wander into the fantasy land of what
might have happened, let's talk about what has happened. As
we go to air tonight, we learn the key card too.
D FORVD aka David aka David Anthony Burks Tesla, the
one with the dead body and the front the front
(01:52):
trunk of his very expensive luxury tesla.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
That key card to that tesla? Oh there you go?
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Why is it hidden in the gutter? Joining me an
all star panel to make sense of what we are learning?
Straight out to Christina Gonzalez joining us, A war winning
investigative reporter, Fox A Loving kt TV joining us from
this jurisdiction, Christina, why is the key card in the gutter?
Speaker 3 (02:19):
And you know, keep in mind, to be fair, there's
like three other teslas on that block. But I have
a tesla, I know where my ca and I'm living
with the gutter.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Dave mag joining me Crime Stories investigative reporter, where's the
key card found?
Speaker 4 (02:35):
It?
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Reportedly goes to David Anthony Burke's tesla And why is
it in the gutter?
Speaker 1 (02:41):
What do we know?
Speaker 5 (02:41):
Well, we know that it was found by a neighbor
and it was found in the gutter, and the neighbor
actually picked it up Nancy and turned it into police.
But as is the Dayna, she posted it or she
did on to Reddit, where everybody was able to pile
on and talking about the relevance of finding a key
card b at tesla that had a teenager's decomposed remains
(03:04):
in it.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
I'm going to follow it with Steve Fisher in a
moment about all the dust on that Tesla and what,
if anything, it means. But let me stick with the
key card. First joining me is Scott Iiker, digital forensics expert,
founding member of the FBI Cellular Analysis Survey Team, who
is an expert in Tesla's and their key card. Now,
(03:25):
according to reports we've gotten Scott, and I'm waiting to
confirm this that key card goes with David Anthony Burk's Tesla.
If not, I'm sure we'll find out. Explain to me
the significance of that key card.
Speaker 6 (03:41):
Yeah, I ought a Tesla, and when I bought the car,
as a two thousand and two model Y, they gave
me two key cards. They looked like little credit cards
and you put it on the center podsol and you
can start your car. Most people will hide those away.
I put those in the safe of my house because
I don't need them, because they can use my phone
once I set it up correctly to drive, open and
(04:05):
review all the camera stuff on my car. So the
key cards are important initially, but then most of the
time they're hidden away for when your phone dies or
something like that. And you need to get into your car.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Guys, just look at that. We're getting that from uh
Steve Fisher Investigates And the shot of the Tesla key
card is from.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Running Back seven seven seven.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
On Reddit Scott Iiker. Can't the key card be loaned out? Like,
if you want someone to borrow your car, you can
let them you use the key card?
Speaker 6 (04:40):
Yes, yes you can. You can buck in because it
doesn't have a name on it attached to it. It
just runs the car when you need it to. So
you can give it to a valet if you wanted to,
or you can give it to your son if he's not,
you know, already set up to use the car with
his phone. You can give that to anybody to use
that to drive that car.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
I'm going to circle back to you in a moment,
Scott Ker, because I want to find out everything I
can about the Tesla NAV system and all of the cameras.
Tesla's give you a three hundred and sixty degree view
all around the car and it goes into a USB stick.
(05:21):
Now where's the stick? Will the car operate without the stick?
Has the USB stick been removed from that Tesla? From
Burke's Tesla is what's on the stick also recorded in
the cloud.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Isn't it true Christina.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Gonzalez joining US Fox eleven KTTV that a raid was
conducted on Burke aka David aka D four vd's home,
his mansion now I know valued it over four million
dollars and a lot of digital evidence, computers, digital equipment
was taken out of the home.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Isn't that true?
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Yes, they took quite a bit of computer equipment and electronics.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
That is confirmed.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
By Scott Eiker.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
If this key card had been damaged by the elements,
you saw it right, It looked wet, it looks degraded.
Can that be rehabilitated to make sure it belongs to
Burke's vehicle? And what if any forensic evidence can we
get off that card?
Speaker 1 (06:22):
I mean, I'm telling you, if somebody.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Threw away the key to my minivan, it's like finding
a needle in a haystake. But I would find it.
That shot from running back seven seven seven on Reddit.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Go ahead.
Speaker 6 (06:32):
The key card itself is like a credit card. If
it's broken damage, yeah, it might be a problem identifying it.
But it's like a programmable credit card, and just like
anything else, you can get some forensics off of it,
so it shouldn't be too much of a problem other
than the elements that are on it. I doubt someone
(06:54):
hit it in a gutter. I haven't seen the picture
where it was found. It's more likely to drop it.
It's in like the God of the street. But you
could definitely get some information from that credit card or
that key card.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
I want to remind everyone that as we go to
air tonight, David Anthony Burg aka D four VD is
innocent in the eyes of the law, and he remains
innocent unless the presumption of innocence is pierced and overcome
by evidence that proves him guilty. Josh Colsruw joining US
(07:27):
veteran trial lawyer and former US attorney, founder of Colsuru
Law Offices.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
Josh, thank you for being with us.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
This would not be the first time that a killer
has thrown away evidence thinking nobody would find it until
they do.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
Well, that's right, but this is certainly odd, just like
other pieces of evidence in this case. You are odd.
And what I don't like about this if I'm a prosecutor,
is that the laped missed it. I mean, they're the
ones that were searching the home where David was living,
(08:04):
and they were supposed to have gathered all the necessary evidence.
You know, if I'm the prosecutor, I'm going to be
pretty mad that they missed this. Now a defense attorney's
going to come in and say chain of custody. You know,
how do you know that this wasn't placed after the
police officers were there? How do you know that this
isn't somebody setting up David. I'm not going to be
(08:24):
happy about it. Also, maybe if they would have found
the key card when they actually searched the house, they
would be able to search it and get more material
in toenasacs.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Well I can answer that, Josh Colsrud, because it wasn't
in the house, because it was thrown in the gutter.
That's why they didn't find it.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
In the house.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
Well, there were certainly, you know, twenty detectives around there,
and you would expect them to search the area. The
vehicle was only found one hundred and fifty feet away
from the house. I mean, it was within a half
of block away from that house. Why wouldn't they just
check around, look in the gutter, look in the bushes
to see what if any evidence would be around there.
It's standard operating procedure. The fact that a redditor on
(09:06):
your own is embarrassing.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Let me correct your statement at Josh Calsrude, you stated
that the tesla belonging to Burke aka D four VD
aka David was found one hundred and fifty feet from
the home. That's what I believe you meant to say
was the tesla containing the little girl's dead body was
(09:30):
just one hundred and fifty feet away from Burke's home.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
It's not just a car. This is a.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Car containing his girlfriend's allegedly dead, dismembered body in the
front facing trunk. It's not just a car. It's not
like he's getting a citation a traffic ticket, which she did.
There is a dead body in there, one hundred and
fifty feet away from his house. The car was not
(10:01):
reported stolen, she was not reported missing by him or
his entourage.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Why.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
Well, that's the crux of the issue. If the evidence
was so compelling that David did this, why isn't he charged?
And the reason why is they don't have direct evidence
that David did this. I mean, what's really strange about this, Nancy,
is you know, he would have to be one of
(10:32):
the dumbest people in the world to leave the body
of his girlfriend in a trunk of his car yards away.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Is actually stating too dumb to be guilty. Defense, Well,
look at you actually using that people do dumb things
all the time. Criminals are not that smart, otherwise they
wouldn't be in jail. Go look, you're joining me from Phoenix, Arizona. Correct,
Go look at the county jail. You think those people
(11:06):
are smart, they're notice, that's why they're in jail.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
So part of what the media is doing is saying
how smart David is by foreshadowing in his music what
he did in this case. Well, if he did that,
he has some intelligence.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Sorry, she just.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Shows because that's not what I'm saying. I'm not saying
he's clairvoyant. I'm saying that possibly, just like Scott Peterson
predicted it would be his first Christmas as.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
A widow and then boom it was.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
I'm not saying that the four VD aka David Burke
is clairvoyant, that he foreshadowed these events.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
I'm saying that they mirror what's going on in his mind. Well,
a lot of people, maybe not.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
You are saying that this was his motive that the
music that he produced somehow shows his motive in this case.
And if that's true, if he was dropping hints and foreshadowing,
then obviously he has a lot of intelligence for doing that.
So if he has a lot of intelligence, why would
someone leave a body of their loved one, their girlfriend.
(12:16):
I'm not there's other issues with that, trust me, in
the trunk of their car. It just doesn't make any
sense whatsoever. And the more information that we get it
shows that so many people around him had access to
that vehicle. We know that she may have been living
there place.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Hey, you know what, let me go back through all
my tiktoks. I've a masked of all the conspiracy theories.
So you're buying into some other dude did it and
then framed him. So somebody else killed this little girl, Celestecs.
She's thirteen with him, g I wonder why somebody else
killed her, partially dismembered her, put her in his trunk.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
Could be it could be what you're actually saying, Yes,
yes it is. We do not know that's not the case, Nancy.
We don't know that. We don't know it's not suicide.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
We don't know that she didn't overdose. John, You don't
know what I think.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
We don't know that little green men from Mars didn't
beam down and sneak into the house and drag her
around and kill her and put her in his trunk
all to frame d four VD. Really is that you're
actually saying somebody trying to frame him.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
I'm saying that, you know.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
This reminds me of a theorist that claimed J Simpson's
son really killed Nicole Brown and Ron Goleman did did
you believe that too?
Speaker 4 (13:37):
We had, we had forensic evidence in that case that
title J Simpson to the murder. At this point in time,
we don't even know the cause of death. We don't
know if it was strangulation. We don't know if it
was a gunshot. We don't know if she was pregnant
with David's baby. There's so many things that we do
not know yet. And what I'm afraid of is this
going to be like Casey Nity all over again, where
(13:58):
the corner is unable to determine a cause of death
and there's not going to be any charges or a
conviction in the case.
Speaker 5 (14:04):
Because of that, there is another theory someone is framing
Burg for the death of Celeste. Multiple people are known
to have been driving Burgs Tesla. It is possible one
of his friends killed Celeste and in an effort to
shift blame, laser remains inside Burgs Tesla.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
One of the many, many conspiracy theories that are populating
online about who really kills Celeste. Let's just clarify one
thing to Dodger Kendall Crowns. You know him well, the
chief medical Examiner Terrant County, that's Fort Worth, Texas. Never
lack a business in that morgue. He is an esteemed
lecturer at the Brunette School of Medicine at TCU, and
(14:43):
he is a star of a new hit podcast called
Mayhem and the Morgue. I just put it on Loot
this weekend and listen to every single one of them.
They're awesome. Dodger Kendall Crowns your podcast aside? Is there
any way this little girl died of natural causes? And
(15:06):
then what chopped herself up and jumped into the trunk?
Speaker 7 (15:10):
So no, the fact that she's been chopped up would
argue against the fact that she died naturally a natural cause.
She could have, oh deed, and then someone panics and
then cuts her up. But that doesn't make logical sense.
Why not just call nine one one.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Rapper up more thirteen year old girl drugs?
Speaker 7 (15:33):
That would be people she's hanging out cars should also
be a problem. Well, I don't think that's natural causes
at all. That would be at best an accident. But
due to the fact that she's being given the drugs,
you could argue that it's a homicide as well. So
there is no way she's.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
In a child drugs and they die. That's a felony.
But you know what, I'm not going to attack you
on that.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
I want your mind to stay clear as a medical examiner,
and I get bogged down in the law. That's why
I have Cole's rude again. The dismemberment of this little
girl thirteen at the time she goes missing from her home,
which is a whole nother question.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Where were the parents in this scenario?
Speaker 2 (16:16):
They report her missing once she's brought back, and then
she goes missing again. Says she's going to the movies
with her boyfriend David. David, who you think for one
minute when somebody comes to pick up my daughter, Lucy,
I don't see them at the door and smell them. Yeah,
(16:38):
just like I do their school bus drivers and anybody
else it's going to be around them.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Yeah, I want to find out if they smell like
weed or alcohol?
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Who is using drugs around this little girl?
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Why do we only know? Oh she went off to
the movies with some guy named David No.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
And then how long passes that nobody sees her? Or
here's from her? Where were the parents in this scenario
that said you were discussing natural or accidental causes? You
know who you're reminding me of right now? You know
Jose Bias. Do you remember him? He was the lawyer
(17:19):
and got a million dollar book deal after that. Kelly Anthony,
a little tot girl died naturally by accident in a
swimming pool, and then her grandfather this is not true,
of course, and her mother, her bio mom, said oh,
let's just put her in a trash bag and throw
(17:39):
in a swamp, so you would actually go down the
garden path. Doctor Kendall Crowns of this little girl dies
by accident, and then she's chopped up and putting a trunk.
Speaker 7 (17:56):
Well, you can't put blinders on when you're doing an
autime and just assume that they've been dismembered and that
it's obviously a homicide. You have to go through all
the processes and rule out things before you get to
the conclusion of homicide. You can't just come in and say, oh,
(18:17):
that's a homicide obviously, because then you'll miss things. They
could actually be factual evidence. They could give you the
correct cause and manner of death. Then if you just
put on blinders and assumed it was a homicide the
entire time. You can't approach everything with the idea of
the mindset of you know what the answer is before
you've done the autopsy. So what I'm saying is there
(18:39):
is possibilities. People react differently to stressors and do crazy things.
I've seen that a million times before, especially when there's
drugs involved, especially methamphetamine. But you never know what someone
might do. When someone ends up dying and they're famous
and they don't know what to do, and they get
their cronies to come in and chop them up and
dispose of the body, that was what happened. But I
(19:01):
can tell you this through the autopsy though. At some
point figure out what happened, and more likely than not,
this is a homicide because they cut her up and
dispose of her the way they did.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
You know, doctor Kimill Crown's I've always told you in
such high stain, but I'm seeing you in a whole
new light right now, and I believe that you've been
spending way too much.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Time on TikTok. And this is why.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
If this is a setup, what a perfect person to
put it on.
Speaker 6 (19:28):
Right.
Speaker 8 (19:29):
He's got sad, depressing songs, He's got songs about murdering.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
He is the perfect candidate to set.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Up and frame for a murder.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
But I think even the true David Fins are really
starting to feel like, Bro, you've done this. We know
it's you.
Speaker 6 (19:47):
I don't think David did it.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
I know the ruffleson feathery. I might get mad that
I really don't think he did it. I'm gonna be honest.
David did not do it.
Speaker 5 (19:54):
Man.
Speaker 4 (19:55):
David did not do it, like y'all had spread the news, Man,
David did not do it.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
I think it's safe to say that David did not
kill nobody.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Bro didn't do it, gang, yo, brow Just think about it, Bro.
That is from at Killer A three.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
It is from at Qui Co two, from at Taking
Hooks and from at ink stacks all on TikTok. I
can't wait to look later tonight and see what doctor
Kendall Crowns has added. Maybe he will talk in a
chipmunk voice, just like our last contributor, Crime Stories with
(20:38):
Nancy Grace. Maybe maybe, maybe, But can we talk about
the likelihood that someone murdered a little girl that reportedly
was in a romantic relationship with an older guy and
(20:58):
that would be Burke A. K. David who would have
a motive to kill her? And why dismember her and
put her in his trunk to frame him? You know?
Karen Stark is joining me forensic psychologist, TV radio trauma
expert at Karenstark dot com. Karen, that's a lot of
(21:23):
work to frame a young musical artist. Why why would
anyone want to frame him? That's crazy talk. Do you remember,
Karen Stark? When Scott Peterson murdered his wife Lacey and
their unborn child, Connor, and one of the defense theories
(21:44):
that Mark Geerges floated was someone took Lacey and then thought, Wow,
Scott Peterson will be the perfect person to frame, So
I'm going to go dump her body where he goes fishing.
So this person knows for Scott Peterson fishing and waits
for just the right time and then dumps the body
and then stands by and waits for it to be found.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
That's crazy talk. Well, it doesn't to me.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
It doesn't make a lot of sense.
Speaker 9 (22:11):
Nancy. Just I feel the way you do because he
was the one that osensibly was in the relationship with her.
So I don't understand why everyone is.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Thinking about somebody planting.
Speaker 9 (22:23):
Her or choosing him. It doesn't make a lot of
sense to me. They were intimately involved.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Celeste is found dead in the trunk of his tesla.
Celeste's body was found in a black tube cop and
ripped jings. Her body was an advanced state of decapation.
Speaker 7 (22:42):
It's obviously a homicide.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
The big Rock and Roll hit Send Lawyers, Guns and Money,
and nothing could be truer in this case.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Lawyers, Guns and Money.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Number one David aka David Anthony Burke aka D four
VD admits his dad is a litigator. Listened not at all.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
My dad is a litigator for a law firm.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
I thought there was a teacher. She doesn't do it anymore,
but she doesn't notice right now. That is from and
the writer is on YouTube. Does that explain why he
has remained silent? Otherwise known as exercising your fifth Amendment right?
Christina Gonzalez joining us Fox eleven KTTV. Has he issued
(23:34):
he being burke? Has he issued any statement regarding Celeste's death?
Speaker 3 (23:41):
Not from day one, Not from day one, even as
they were looking, as they were found a body. As
he continued in the concert, he talked about the concert,
but he never said anything about his girlfriend missing or
a body in his trunk.
Speaker 6 (23:57):
Nothing.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
It was his pep who said he was mote cooperating.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
But wait a minute, did he continue his withered world
tour after she goes missing? Because the lapd is saying
she's been in that trunk for a long time.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
And that's the question, okay, because one thing is imagine
your girlfriend went away and you didn't know where she was.
But sadly they find a Yes, he continued the concert.
He continued the concert as they found the body. Granted
it was his first big concert, but he never stopped.
He never issued a statement saying, oh my god, I'm
(24:37):
trying to help nothing at all, which close.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
To what you're saying.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
I mean, he's being well advised by somebody.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Josh calls, rejoining US criminal defense attorney and former assistant
US attorney, Josh, you don't think that's odd that she
goes missing the little girl he's been with reportedly since
she was eleven, which is a whole another can of worms.
He doesn't put out a public appeal to find her. Nothing,
(25:07):
no comment, and now after her body's been found in
his trunk steal.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Nothing.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
Everything that he's done after the discovery of the body
has been very intelligent. You know, when you're under scrutiny,
you want to remain silent because everything that you do
is going to be viewed under the lens of a microscope.
And here, you know, he he does have good people
around him. His father has litigation experience as a tech,
(25:39):
his mother is a teacher, and he has good people
around him at his uh you know, the music industry.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
So that good people. What do you mean by good
people around him? People to tell you abou't.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
Talk no, Only that they are protecting him is what
I mean. Not that they are morally good people. But
what you don't want is a prosecutor to be able
to look at what you say or even what you
don't say and hold it against you later on inside
of a courtroom, because right now there's no direct evidence
(26:16):
that he's involved, at least none that has been disclosed
to the public, and the police are still working on motive,
which hasn't been established here. So what you don't want
is to give them any breadcrumbs leading to yourself, especially
when there's so much suspicions.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
Sund Wish.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
I appreciate all you have to say about all the
quote good people around him protecting him. I'm just stating
if my husband went missing, I would be all over
the action needs six ten and eleven, begging for somebody
to help me find him and bring him home. Right.
(26:54):
I don't care what anybody else has to say, or
all the good people telling me to shut my pie hole.
No and speaking of people around him.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
As we go to air tonight.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
His manager is speaking out because many people are claiming,
let's see a shot of that mansion, the one that
is just blanketed in video cameras. I can't wait to
see what they reveal. But Dave Mac, in the last hours,
this is where our friend's over at TMZ. Thanks Harvey Levin,
Dave Mac, the manager, Josh Marshall, and founder of Mogul Vision,
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has taken a TikTok to point out he knows nothing
about any of this.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
He's claiming Dave mac that he did.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Not live there, as many people state that it wasn't
his place. He doesn't know about the cameras there, he
doesn't know what.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Was going on there.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
That he actually lives in Texas with his wife and
I believe it, has three children.
Speaker 5 (28:00):
Josh Marshall founded mogul Vision, and he is denying any
and all involvement. And he pointed out a couple of
very important points Nancy, he does have three children, and
he pointed out he has a daughter that's fourteen years old,
the same age as the victim in the car. He
lives with his wife and children in Texas. And he
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also points out he does ninety five percent of his
work from Texas. He does it remotely, as many people
do these days.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
He did lease that house.
Speaker 5 (28:29):
It was leased in his name, but that's not an
uncommon thing for managers to do for the people they represent.
So Josh Marshall saying no, I'm not involved at all
and know nothing about it.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Many online fluths are stating, here's a quote I swear
to God, I've been saying this to my boyfriend.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
I think Josh did it.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Girltown In Jay responds, I think he's heavily involved. Okay,
and he Josh Marshall, the manager, goes to social media
and says, I will speak on this matter, just this
one time. This has been a tough time for my family.
I'm a father of three. I receive no emails and
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I'm no one's roommate. In other words, emails that his
client was with a young girl. I live full time
at home with my wife and kids. My daughter's for fourteen,
and this news is affecting so many lives. I have
zero knowledge of anything, and I don't even live in California.
So the online sluthor so desperate for a conspiracy theory
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to point the finger at somebody else, They're now pointing
the finger at his manager, who was not even.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
On the scene.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Oh, Josh calsrud, I guess you can't blame him.
Speaker 4 (29:44):
Well, you know, I don't think that there is any
evidence showing that the manager is involved. And also, you know,
there was kind of a controversy that David moved out
of his house abruptly. But what people don't understand was
that the manager was for this and as soon as
David stopped making money for the company, you know, they
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kicked him out. Essentially they're no longer making money. So
I think the manager is being responsible. He wants to
distance himself.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
The manager did not kick Burke out of that mansion.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
I don't know what you're saying.
Speaker 4 (30:22):
Well, he was the one that was paying for it,
and he's the one that broke the leaves. The manager did.
It wasn't David, and he did know.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
The manager may have been writing checks for it or
sending transmissions, but that money came from his client Burke. Marshall,
the manager wasn't living there, and he had obtained that
mansion for Burke to live in, not him. He wasn't
living there. He has never lived there, and the point
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is that is a dead end.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
Marshall. The manager had nothing to do with this.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
But speaking of those in the know, we were talking
about send lawyers, guns and money. Burke's mom spotted out
shopping for an a R fifteen semi automatic.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (31:17):
The singer's mother silent regarding her son. But Colleen Burke
caught on camera leaving a Texas gun store with what
appears to be a large security man standing nearby. In
her hands an instruction manual for an AR fifteen semi automatic.
Not clear if she purchased anything, but it is the
first time she's been seen in public since the decomposing
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remains of a child found in her son's tesla.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
I wonder if his family members or others are getting
threats and feel they got to arm themselves. Crime stories
with Nancy Grace. That said, and now I want to
talk about the money.
Speaker 5 (32:02):
Listen, many people wondered how a twenty year old he
could be driving a Tesla and renting a home for
twenty thousand dollars a month. At seventeen, Burke signed a
record deal with advanced fees, paying him three million dollars guaranteed,
with a contract that was valued at six million if
certain goals were met. As part of the deal. Burke
already released two EPs, one full album and was on
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a world tour promoting that album when Celeste was found
decomposing in his tesla.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
That's a lot of money.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
Speaking of all the money and the manager straight back
out to Steve Fisher joining us. Steve Fisher, the manager
Marshall took to social media to deny any involvement. He
actually sent that response to you, and he referred to
an email.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
What email he's.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Saying, I didn't know about any email. What email is
he talking about.
Speaker 8 (32:57):
So I got contacted by somebody very close to the
family that told, you know, showed me an email that
was sent to Josh and somebody else in his camp
when she first went missing in twenty twenty four. They
had learned that she was likely with him, and they
sent a letter to him. And I'll just say his
wife also saying, you know, here's from missing poster. She's
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thirteen years old. She is with this guy, and then
the next day she showed up back home. And so
I think for Josh to say that he knows nothing
about this is disingenuous. And I will say LAPD called
them up.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
Do you know he got the email? Do you know
the email address? So we don't know that you got
the email.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
You said it was sent to his wife. Who's telling
you all this the person.
Speaker 8 (33:52):
Who sent the email. And I will say LAPD called
last week when I put that out, and they now
have a copy of the email, and they did verify
that the email address is correct. Whether you open it
or not, we don't know, but she did show up
the next day. But LAPD has the letter. They requested
it and they have it.
Speaker 5 (34:11):
Friends of Burke thought Celeste was nineteen and his girlfriend,
describing Burke as a very shy, quiet person. Friends said
they saw Burke and Celesti together a lot as a
romantically involved couple. Thinking Celeste was a student at usc
Friends of Burke saw Celestia at age restricted venues and clubs.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
So apparently she was being passed off as much older
than she actually was. And I'm noticing all the photos
that are posted off her, She's always covering her face.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
Very curious.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
Check it out, photo after photo after photo, she always
has her face covered very quickly. To Karen Stark, joining
us forends, it's psychologist. Karen, I want to touch on
the fact that Burke's alter ego Pain has emerged. Can
I see what he posted regarding his alter ego? Karen
(35:05):
Stark says, we've officially named the Blindfold character. His name
is Etami, that means pain and Japanese, and in all
of the videos after that, he personifies Etami. His alter id.
His alter ego is quote pain. That's troublesome Karen Stark, Well.
Speaker 9 (35:30):
It's something that doesn't surprise me, Nancy, because it's a
great way for him to cover up or not be
associated with that part of him that is perhaps homicidal
or talking about death and killing. So he doesn't do
it through David to himself. He does it through his
(35:51):
alter ego, which keeps him innocent to make it be
okay to have that dark side of their personality.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
You know, that's I just find that very disturbing. You know,
I've got a lot of nicknames for my children. My
son is awesome, he is big boy. He is my son,
My daughter is little Girl, my angel Mini me pain
is not really one of them. But I'm sure Josh
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Colesry would object that coming into evidence. That said, an
ultra ego name does not a murder case make. So
let's talk about hard evidence. Back to Scott Aiker, joining
US digital forensics expert, founding member of the FBI Cellular
Analysis Survey Team. He is at PCA Experts dot com
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Precision Cellular Analysis. Scott, I want to talk about the Tesla.
What evidence, if any, can I get from all of
those cameras on the Tesla?
Speaker 6 (36:55):
Well, the Tesla has a trove of information, not only
the cameras that are recording almost all the time in
Century mode. That's basically when you park the car, someone
comes up to the car, it actually activates the camera
and sends that stuff to a USB drive in the car.
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That USB drive can be removed, a new one can
be replaced when it's full. You could delete that information
from the USB drive either via the app or while
you're in the car. But there's a ton much stuff
that that Tesl records, not only the cameras, but the
telematics of the car, when it was driven, how far
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it was driven, stuff like that. There's even a camera
that's facing the driver now that's used for the full
self driving mode to make sure you're still awake, you're
paying attention to the road. And I believe that's still
stored in the car itself. I don't believe there's anything
stored in the cloud, but it's all stored in the car.
(38:00):
That USB drive and they do a extraction of the
data from the Tesla itself has going to be a
trove of information. Not only that, there's a phone in
the car, embedded in the car, so you can use
find the records for that phone and see what towers
it is using. There's just so much information they're going
to get from this Tesla.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
Scott Iiker, are you telling me that all of that
data is not stored in the cloud, that if someone
throws away or destroys the USB, it's over. I can't
recover that.
Speaker 6 (38:31):
That's what I understand. In my Tesla, there's a USB,
and when I can learn, even on my app and
look at the recordings from the cameras, it says it's
connecting to the car to get that data, not to
a cloud.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
From what I understand, the Tesla.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
Has a front facing camera, two cameras on the windshield,
two cameras on the side fenders, a rear facing camera
and gets a three hundred and sixty degree view of
the Tesla's environment while driving. The dash cam uses exterior
cameras recording footage in a loop, continuously capturing the car's surroundings.
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My question is, Scott Iiker, I assume that includes the trunk,
the front facing trunk. There would be a camera on
the trunk that would presumably have caught whoever put her
body in it.
Speaker 6 (39:31):
Yeah, that is correct, that'd be the dash camera, the
one that's facing outward from the car, not inside the car,
and it faces right down the hood of the car,
So there should be footage of whoever's accessing the front
or the front trunk of that car, and all around
the car as they walk up to it.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
Another question you mentioned century mode century sentry for instance,
like a guardian a century place. Say let's pretend around
a military fort. Right, would you have to disable the
sentry mode like you unlock a car remote in order
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to get in the car or would it set off
an alarm? I'm just trying to figure out if that
car was moved to place to place to place along
that high end neighborhood street, someone would have to know
how to disable.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
The sentry mode to crank up the car and move it.
Speaker 6 (40:25):
No, the centry mode itself turns off as you come
up to the car with the key, so it turns
out that part off. Then you're allowed to enter the
car and then drive it, so it's only recording as
its part.
Speaker 1 (40:38):
Can anybody remove the USB?
Speaker 2 (40:41):
Like, where's the USB kept in the vehicle?
Speaker 6 (40:45):
It's actually in the globbox. Surprisingly, you open the glovebox
and it's just sitting right there. You can pull it
out and put another one in if you needed to.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
This case is ongoing. It is under investigation as we speak.
No arrest has been named, no person of interest has
been named. We want justice for this little girl, Celeste.
If you know or think you know anything, even if
you think it is insignificant, please dial two one three
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four eight six six eight nine zero. Repeat two one, three, four,
eight six six eight nine zero. We will get answers
as to what happened to Celeste. Grieve us and now
we remember an American hero, Deputy Sheriff Michael Hartwick of
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Penelas County, Florida, killed in the line of duty, serve
nineteen years with the Sheriff's office and leaves behind two
grieving sons, William and Brandon. American hero Deputy Sheriff Michael Hartwick.
Nancy Grace signing off goodbye friend,
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
D four VD aka David Anthony Burke, the artist known
as David's alter ego.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
Pain has emerged.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
After a Japanese anime, he created his own alter ego
that he has come up with is Pain. This as
the Tesla key card to his Tesla is found hidden
in a gutter. Why who hides their car keys or
(00:45):
their key card in a gutter and leaves.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
It in that trunk of that tesla.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
A little girl, Celeste just thirteen years old, when she
goes missing body in.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
His trunk Tonight, no arrest? I mean, is he Grace?
Speaker 2 (01:08):
This is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for
being with us tonight. The conspiracy theorists online sleuthing has exploded, with.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Literally dozens and dozens of.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Theories all centering around one thing, the SOD defense.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Some other dude did it.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
But before we wander into the fantasy land of what
might have happened, let's talk about what has happened. As
we go to air tonight, we learn the key card too.
D FORVD aka David aka David Anthony Burks Tesla, the
one with the dead body and the front the front
(01:52):
trunk of his very expensive luxury tesla.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
That key card to that tesla? Oh there you go?
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Why is it hidden in the gutter? Joining me an
all star panel to make sense of what we are learning?
Straight out to Christina Gonzalez joining us, A war winning
investigative reporter, Fox A Loving kt TV joining us from
this jurisdiction, Christina, why is the key card in the gutter?
Speaker 3 (02:19):
And you know, keep in mind, to be fair, there's
like three other teslas on that block. But I have
a tesla, I know where my ca and I'm living
with the gutter.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Dave mag joining me Crime Stories investigative reporter, where's the
key card found?
Speaker 4 (02:35):
It?
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Reportedly goes to David Anthony Burke's tesla And why is
it in the gutter?
Speaker 1 (02:41):
What do we know?
Speaker 5 (02:41):
Well, we know that it was found by a neighbor
and it was found in the gutter, and the neighbor
actually picked it up Nancy and turned it into police.
But as is the Dayna, she posted it or she
did on to Reddit, where everybody was able to pile
on and talking about the relevance of finding a key
card b at tesla that had a teenager's decomposed remains
(03:04):
in it.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
I'm going to follow it with Steve Fisher in a
moment about all the dust on that Tesla and what,
if anything, it means. But let me stick with the
key card. First joining me is Scott Iiker, digital forensics expert,
founding member of the FBI Cellular Analysis Survey Team, who
is an expert in Tesla's and their key card. Now,
(03:25):
according to reports we've gotten Scott, and I'm waiting to
confirm this that key card goes with David Anthony Burk's Tesla.
If not, I'm sure we'll find out. Explain to me
the significance of that key card.
Speaker 6 (03:41):
Yeah, I ought a Tesla, and when I bought the car,
as a two thousand and two model Y, they gave
me two key cards. They looked like little credit cards
and you put it on the center podsol and you
can start your car. Most people will hide those away.
I put those in the safe of my house because
I don't need them, because they can use my phone
once I set it up correctly to drive, open and
(04:05):
review all the camera stuff on my car. So the
key cards are important initially, but then most of the
time they're hidden away for when your phone dies or
something like that. And you need to get into your car.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Guys, just look at that. We're getting that from uh
Steve Fisher Investigates And the shot of the Tesla key
card is from.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Running Back seven seven seven.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
On Reddit Scott Iiker. Can't the key card be loaned out? Like,
if you want someone to borrow your car, you can
let them you use the key card?
Speaker 6 (04:40):
Yes, yes you can. You can buck in because it
doesn't have a name on it attached to it. It
just runs the car when you need it to. So
you can give it to a valet if you wanted to,
or you can give it to your son if he's not,
you know, already set up to use the car with
his phone. You can give that to anybody to use
that to drive that car.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
I'm going to circle back to you in a moment,
Scott Ker, because I want to find out everything I
can about the Tesla NAV system and all of the cameras.
Tesla's give you a three hundred and sixty degree view
all around the car and it goes into a USB stick.
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Now where's the stick? Will the car operate without the stick?
Has the USB stick been removed from that Tesla? From
Burke's Tesla is what's on the stick also recorded in
the cloud.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Isn't it true Christina.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Gonzalez joining US Fox eleven KTTV that a raid was
conducted on Burke aka David aka D four vd's home,
his mansion now I know valued it over four million
dollars and a lot of digital evidence, computers, digital equipment
was taken out of the home.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Isn't that true?
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Yes, they took quite a bit of computer equipment and electronics.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
That is confirmed.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
By Scott Eiker.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
If this key card had been damaged by the elements,
you saw it right, It looked wet, it looks degraded.
Can that be rehabilitated to make sure it belongs to
Burke's vehicle? And what if any forensic evidence can we
get off that card?
Speaker 1 (06:22):
I mean, I'm telling you, if somebody.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Threw away the key to my minivan, it's like finding
a needle in a haystake. But I would find it.
That shot from running back seven seven seven on Reddit.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Go ahead.
Speaker 6 (06:32):
The key card itself is like a credit card. If
it's broken damage, yeah, it might be a problem identifying it.
But it's like a programmable credit card, and just like
anything else, you can get some forensics off of it,
so it shouldn't be too much of a problem other
than the elements that are on it. I doubt someone
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hit it in a gutter. I haven't seen the picture
where it was found. It's more likely to drop it.
It's in like the God of the street. But you
could definitely get some information from that credit card or
that key card.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
I want to remind everyone that as we go to
air tonight, David Anthony Burg aka D four VD is
innocent in the eyes of the law, and he remains
innocent unless the presumption of innocence is pierced and overcome
by evidence that proves him guilty. Josh Colsruw joining US
(07:27):
veteran trial lawyer and former US attorney, founder of Colsuru
Law Offices.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
Josh, thank you for being with us.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
This would not be the first time that a killer
has thrown away evidence thinking nobody would find it until
they do.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
Well, that's right, but this is certainly odd, just like
other pieces of evidence in this case. You are odd.
And what I don't like about this if I'm a prosecutor,
is that the laped missed it. I mean, they're the
ones that were searching the home where David was living,
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and they were supposed to have gathered all the necessary evidence.
You know, if I'm the prosecutor, I'm going to be
pretty mad that they missed this. Now a defense attorney's
going to come in and say chain of custody. You know,
how do you know that this wasn't placed after the
police officers were there? How do you know that this
isn't somebody setting up David. I'm not going to be
(08:24):
happy about it. Also, maybe if they would have found
the key card when they actually searched the house, they
would be able to search it and get more material
in toenasacs.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Well I can answer that, Josh Colsrud, because it wasn't
in the house, because it was thrown in the gutter.
That's why they didn't find it.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
In the house.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
Well, there were certainly, you know, twenty detectives around there,
and you would expect them to search the area. The
vehicle was only found one hundred and fifty feet away
from the house. I mean, it was within a half
of block away from that house. Why wouldn't they just
check around, look in the gutter, look in the bushes
to see what if any evidence would be around there.
It's standard operating procedure. The fact that a redditor on
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your own is embarrassing.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Let me correct your statement at Josh Calsrude, you stated
that the tesla belonging to Burke aka D four VD
aka David was found one hundred and fifty feet from
the home. That's what I believe you meant to say
was the tesla containing the little girl's dead body was
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just one hundred and fifty feet away from Burke's home.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
It's not just a car. This is a.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Car containing his girlfriend's allegedly dead, dismembered body in the
front facing trunk. It's not just a car. It's not
like he's getting a citation a traffic ticket, which she did.
There is a dead body in there, one hundred and
fifty feet away from his house. The car was not
(10:01):
reported stolen, she was not reported missing by him or
his entourage.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Why.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
Well, that's the crux of the issue. If the evidence
was so compelling that David did this, why isn't he charged?
And the reason why is they don't have direct evidence
that David did this. I mean, what's really strange about this, Nancy,
is you know, he would have to be one of
(10:32):
the dumbest people in the world to leave the body
of his girlfriend in a trunk of his car yards away.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Is actually stating too dumb to be guilty. Defense, Well,
look at you actually using that people do dumb things
all the time. Criminals are not that smart, otherwise they
wouldn't be in jail. Go look, you're joining me from Phoenix, Arizona. Correct,
Go look at the county jail. You think those people
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are smart, they're notice, that's why they're in jail.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
So part of what the media is doing is saying
how smart David is by foreshadowing in his music what
he did in this case. Well, if he did that,
he has some intelligence.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Sorry, she just.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Shows because that's not what I'm saying. I'm not saying
he's clairvoyant. I'm saying that possibly, just like Scott Peterson
predicted it would be his first Christmas as.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
A widow and then boom it was.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
I'm not saying that the four VD aka David Burke
is clairvoyant, that he foreshadowed these events.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
I'm saying that they mirror what's going on in his mind. Well,
a lot of people, maybe not.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
You are saying that this was his motive that the
music that he produced somehow shows his motive in this case.
And if that's true, if he was dropping hints and foreshadowing,
then obviously he has a lot of intelligence for doing that.
So if he has a lot of intelligence, why would
someone leave a body of their loved one, their girlfriend.
(12:16):
I'm not there's other issues with that, trust me, in
the trunk of their car. It just doesn't make any
sense whatsoever. And the more information that we get it
shows that so many people around him had access to
that vehicle. We know that she may have been living
there place.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Hey, you know what, let me go back through all
my tiktoks. I've a masked of all the conspiracy theories.
So you're buying into some other dude did it and
then framed him. So somebody else killed this little girl, Celestecs.
She's thirteen with him, g I wonder why somebody else
killed her, partially dismembered her, put her in his trunk.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
Could be it could be what you're actually saying, Yes,
yes it is. We do not know that's not the case, Nancy.
We don't know that. We don't know it's not suicide.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
We don't know that she didn't overdose. John, You don't
know what I think.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
We don't know that little green men from Mars didn't
beam down and sneak into the house and drag her
around and kill her and put her in his trunk
all to frame d four VD. Really is that you're
actually saying somebody trying to frame him.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
I'm saying that, you know.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
This reminds me of a theorist that claimed J Simpson's
son really killed Nicole Brown and Ron Goleman did did
you believe that too?
Speaker 4 (13:37):
We had, we had forensic evidence in that case that
title J Simpson to the murder. At this point in time,
we don't even know the cause of death. We don't
know if it was strangulation. We don't know if it
was a gunshot. We don't know if she was pregnant
with David's baby. There's so many things that we do
not know yet. And what I'm afraid of is this
going to be like Casey Nity all over again, where
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the corner is unable to determine a cause of death
and there's not going to be any charges or a
conviction in the case.
Speaker 5 (14:04):
Because of that, there is another theory someone is framing
Burg for the death of Celeste. Multiple people are known
to have been driving Burgs Tesla. It is possible one
of his friends killed Celeste and in an effort to
shift blame, laser remains inside Burgs Tesla.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
One of the many, many conspiracy theories that are populating
online about who really kills Celeste. Let's just clarify one
thing to Dodger Kendall Crowns. You know him well, the
chief medical Examiner Terrant County, that's Fort Worth, Texas. Never
lack a business in that morgue. He is an esteemed
lecturer at the Brunette School of Medicine at TCU, and
(14:43):
he is a star of a new hit podcast called
Mayhem and the Morgue. I just put it on Loot
this weekend and listen to every single one of them.
They're awesome. Dodger Kendall Crowns your podcast aside? Is there
any way this little girl died of natural causes? And
(15:06):
then what chopped herself up and jumped into the trunk?
Speaker 7 (15:10):
So no, the fact that she's been chopped up would
argue against the fact that she died naturally a natural cause.
She could have, oh deed, and then someone panics and
then cuts her up. But that doesn't make logical sense.
Why not just call nine one one.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Rapper up more thirteen year old girl drugs?
Speaker 7 (15:33):
That would be people she's hanging out cars should also
be a problem. Well, I don't think that's natural causes
at all. That would be at best an accident. But
due to the fact that she's being given the drugs,
you could argue that it's a homicide as well. So
there is no way she's.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
In a child drugs and they die. That's a felony.
But you know what, I'm not going to attack you
on that.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
I want your mind to stay clear as a medical examiner,
and I get bogged down in the law. That's why
I have Cole's rude again. The dismemberment of this little
girl thirteen at the time she goes missing from her home,
which is a whole nother question.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Where were the parents in this scenario?
Speaker 2 (16:16):
They report her missing once she's brought back, and then
she goes missing again. Says she's going to the movies
with her boyfriend David. David, who you think for one
minute when somebody comes to pick up my daughter, Lucy,
I don't see them at the door and smell them. Yeah,
(16:38):
just like I do their school bus drivers and anybody
else it's going to be around them.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Yeah, I want to find out if they smell like
weed or alcohol?
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Who is using drugs around this little girl?
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Why do we only know? Oh she went off to
the movies with some guy named David No.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
And then how long passes that nobody sees her? Or
here's from her? Where were the parents in this scenario
that said you were discussing natural or accidental causes? You
know who you're reminding me of right now? You know
Jose Bias. Do you remember him? He was the lawyer
(17:19):
and got a million dollar book deal after that. Kelly Anthony,
a little tot girl died naturally by accident in a
swimming pool, and then her grandfather this is not true,
of course, and her mother, her bio mom, said oh,
let's just put her in a trash bag and throw
(17:39):
in a swamp, so you would actually go down the
garden path. Doctor Kendall Crowns of this little girl dies
by accident, and then she's chopped up and putting a trunk.
Speaker 7 (17:56):
Well, you can't put blinders on when you're doing an
autime and just assume that they've been dismembered and that
it's obviously a homicide. You have to go through all
the processes and rule out things before you get to
the conclusion of homicide. You can't just come in and say, oh,
(18:17):
that's a homicide obviously, because then you'll miss things. They
could actually be factual evidence. They could give you the
correct cause and manner of death. Then if you just
put on blinders and assumed it was a homicide the
entire time. You can't approach everything with the idea of
the mindset of you know what the answer is before
you've done the autopsy. So what I'm saying is there
(18:39):
is possibilities. People react differently to stressors and do crazy things.
I've seen that a million times before, especially when there's
drugs involved, especially methamphetamine. But you never know what someone
might do. When someone ends up dying and they're famous
and they don't know what to do, and they get
their cronies to come in and chop them up and
dispose of the body, that was what happened. But I
(19:01):
can tell you this through the autopsy though. At some
point figure out what happened, and more likely than not,
this is a homicide because they cut her up and
dispose of her the way they did.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
You know, doctor Kimill Crown's I've always told you in
such high stain, but I'm seeing you in a whole
new light right now, and I believe that you've been
spending way too much.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Time on TikTok. And this is why.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
If this is a setup, what a perfect person to
put it on.
Speaker 6 (19:28):
Right.
Speaker 8 (19:29):
He's got sad, depressing songs, He's got songs about murdering.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
He is the perfect candidate to set.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Up and frame for a murder.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
But I think even the true David Fins are really
starting to feel like, Bro, you've done this. We know
it's you.
Speaker 6 (19:47):
I don't think David did it.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
I know the ruffleson feathery. I might get mad that
I really don't think he did it. I'm gonna be honest.
David did not do it.
Speaker 5 (19:54):
Man.
Speaker 4 (19:55):
David did not do it, like y'all had spread the news, Man,
David did not do it.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
I think it's safe to say that David did not
kill nobody.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Bro didn't do it, gang, yo, brow Just think about it, Bro.
That is from at Killer A three.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
It is from at Qui Co two, from at Taking
Hooks and from at ink stacks all on TikTok. I
can't wait to look later tonight and see what doctor
Kendall Crowns has added. Maybe he will talk in a
chipmunk voice, just like our last contributor, Crime Stories with
(20:38):
Nancy Grace. Maybe maybe, maybe, But can we talk about
the likelihood that someone murdered a little girl that reportedly
was in a romantic relationship with an older guy and
(20:58):
that would be Burke A. K. David who would have
a motive to kill her? And why dismember her and
put her in his trunk to frame him? You know?
Karen Stark is joining me forensic psychologist, TV radio trauma
expert at Karenstark dot com. Karen, that's a lot of
(21:23):
work to frame a young musical artist. Why why would
anyone want to frame him? That's crazy talk. Do you remember,
Karen Stark? When Scott Peterson murdered his wife Lacey and
their unborn child, Connor, and one of the defense theories
(21:44):
that Mark Geerges floated was someone took Lacey and then thought, Wow,
Scott Peterson will be the perfect person to frame, So
I'm going to go dump her body where he goes fishing.
So this person knows for Scott Peterson fishing and waits
for just the right time and then dumps the body
and then stands by and waits for it to be found.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
That's crazy talk. Well, it doesn't to me.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
It doesn't make a lot of sense.
Speaker 9 (22:11):
Nancy. Just I feel the way you do because he
was the one that osensibly was in the relationship with her.
So I don't understand why everyone is.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Thinking about somebody planting.
Speaker 9 (22:23):
Her or choosing him. It doesn't make a lot of
sense to me. They were intimately involved.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Celeste is found dead in the trunk of his tesla.
Celeste's body was found in a black tube cop and
ripped jings. Her body was an advanced state of decapation.
Speaker 7 (22:42):
It's obviously a homicide.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
The big Rock and Roll hit Send Lawyers, Guns and Money,
and nothing could be truer in this case.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Lawyers, Guns and Money.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Number one David aka David Anthony Burke aka D four
VD admits his dad is a litigator. Listened not at all.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
My dad is a litigator for a law firm.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
I thought there was a teacher. She doesn't do it anymore,
but she doesn't notice right now. That is from and
the writer is on YouTube. Does that explain why he
has remained silent? Otherwise known as exercising your fifth Amendment right?
Christina Gonzalez joining us Fox eleven KTTV. Has he issued
(23:34):
he being burke? Has he issued any statement regarding Celeste's death?
Speaker 3 (23:41):
Not from day one, Not from day one, even as
they were looking, as they were found a body. As
he continued in the concert, he talked about the concert,
but he never said anything about his girlfriend missing or
a body in his trunk.
Speaker 6 (23:57):
Nothing.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
It was his pep who said he was mote cooperating.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
But wait a minute, did he continue his withered world
tour after she goes missing? Because the lapd is saying
she's been in that trunk for a long time.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
And that's the question, okay, because one thing is imagine
your girlfriend went away and you didn't know where she was.
But sadly they find a Yes, he continued the concert.
He continued the concert as they found the body. Granted
it was his first big concert, but he never stopped.
He never issued a statement saying, oh my god, I'm
(24:37):
trying to help nothing at all, which close.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
To what you're saying.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
I mean, he's being well advised by somebody.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Josh calls, rejoining US criminal defense attorney and former assistant
US attorney, Josh, you don't think that's odd that she
goes missing the little girl he's been with reportedly since
she was eleven, which is a whole another can of worms.
He doesn't put out a public appeal to find her. Nothing,
(25:07):
no comment, and now after her body's been found in
his trunk steal.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Nothing.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
Everything that he's done after the discovery of the body
has been very intelligent. You know, when you're under scrutiny,
you want to remain silent because everything that you do
is going to be viewed under the lens of a microscope.
And here, you know, he he does have good people
around him. His father has litigation experience as a tech,
(25:39):
his mother is a teacher, and he has good people
around him at his uh you know, the music industry.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
So that good people. What do you mean by good
people around him? People to tell you abou't.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
Talk no, Only that they are protecting him is what
I mean. Not that they are morally good people. But
what you don't want is a prosecutor to be able
to look at what you say or even what you
don't say and hold it against you later on inside
of a courtroom, because right now there's no direct evidence
(26:16):
that he's involved, at least none that has been disclosed
to the public, and the police are still working on motive,
which hasn't been established here. So what you don't want
is to give them any breadcrumbs leading to yourself, especially
when there's so much suspicions.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
Sund Wish.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
I appreciate all you have to say about all the
quote good people around him protecting him. I'm just stating
if my husband went missing, I would be all over
the action needs six ten and eleven, begging for somebody
to help me find him and bring him home. Right.
(26:54):
I don't care what anybody else has to say, or
all the good people telling me to shut my pie hole.
No and speaking of people around him.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
As we go to air tonight.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
His manager is speaking out because many people are claiming,
let's see a shot of that mansion, the one that
is just blanketed in video cameras. I can't wait to
see what they reveal. But Dave Mac, in the last hours,
this is where our friend's over at TMZ. Thanks Harvey Levin,
Dave Mac, the manager, Josh Marshall, and founder of Mogul Vision,
(27:33):
has taken a TikTok to point out he knows nothing
about any of this.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
He's claiming Dave mac that he did.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Not live there, as many people state that it wasn't
his place. He doesn't know about the cameras there, he
doesn't know what.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Was going on there.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
That he actually lives in Texas with his wife and
I believe it, has three children.
Speaker 5 (28:00):
Josh Marshall founded mogul Vision, and he is denying any
and all involvement. And he pointed out a couple of
very important points Nancy, he does have three children, and
he pointed out he has a daughter that's fourteen years old,
the same age as the victim in the car. He
lives with his wife and children in Texas. And he
(28:20):
also points out he does ninety five percent of his
work from Texas. He does it remotely, as many people
do these days.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
He did lease that house.
Speaker 5 (28:29):
It was leased in his name, but that's not an
uncommon thing for managers to do for the people they represent.
So Josh Marshall saying no, I'm not involved at all
and know nothing about it.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Many online fluths are stating, here's a quote I swear
to God, I've been saying this to my boyfriend.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
I think Josh did it.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Girltown In Jay responds, I think he's heavily involved. Okay,
and he Josh Marshall, the manager, goes to social media
and says, I will speak on this matter, just this
one time. This has been a tough time for my family.
I'm a father of three. I receive no emails and
(29:10):
I'm no one's roommate. In other words, emails that his
client was with a young girl. I live full time
at home with my wife and kids. My daughter's for fourteen,
and this news is affecting so many lives. I have
zero knowledge of anything, and I don't even live in California.
So the online sluthor so desperate for a conspiracy theory
(29:35):
to point the finger at somebody else, They're now pointing
the finger at his manager, who was not even.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
On the scene.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Oh, Josh calsrud, I guess you can't blame him.
Speaker 4 (29:44):
Well, you know, I don't think that there is any
evidence showing that the manager is involved. And also, you know,
there was kind of a controversy that David moved out
of his house abruptly. But what people don't understand was
that the manager was for this and as soon as
David stopped making money for the company, you know, they
(30:05):
kicked him out. Essentially they're no longer making money. So
I think the manager is being responsible. He wants to
distance himself.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
The manager did not kick Burke out of that mansion.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
I don't know what you're saying.
Speaker 4 (30:22):
Well, he was the one that was paying for it,
and he's the one that broke the leaves. The manager did.
It wasn't David, and he did know.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
The manager may have been writing checks for it or
sending transmissions, but that money came from his client Burke. Marshall,
the manager wasn't living there, and he had obtained that
mansion for Burke to live in, not him. He wasn't
living there. He has never lived there, and the point
(30:54):
is that is a dead end.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
Marshall. The manager had nothing to do with this.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
But speaking of those in the know, we were talking
about send lawyers, guns and money. Burke's mom spotted out
shopping for an a R fifteen semi automatic.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (31:17):
The singer's mother silent regarding her son. But Colleen Burke
caught on camera leaving a Texas gun store with what
appears to be a large security man standing nearby. In
her hands an instruction manual for an AR fifteen semi automatic.
Not clear if she purchased anything, but it is the
first time she's been seen in public since the decomposing
(31:38):
remains of a child found in her son's tesla.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
I wonder if his family members or others are getting
threats and feel they got to arm themselves. Crime stories
with Nancy Grace. That said, and now I want to
talk about the money.
Speaker 5 (32:02):
Listen, many people wondered how a twenty year old he
could be driving a Tesla and renting a home for
twenty thousand dollars a month. At seventeen, Burke signed a
record deal with advanced fees, paying him three million dollars guaranteed,
with a contract that was valued at six million if
certain goals were met. As part of the deal. Burke
already released two EPs, one full album and was on
(32:24):
a world tour promoting that album when Celeste was found
decomposing in his tesla.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
That's a lot of money.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
Speaking of all the money and the manager straight back
out to Steve Fisher joining us. Steve Fisher, the manager
Marshall took to social media to deny any involvement. He
actually sent that response to you, and he referred to
an email.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
What email he's.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Saying, I didn't know about any email. What email is
he talking about.
Speaker 8 (32:57):
So I got contacted by somebody very close to the
family that told, you know, showed me an email that
was sent to Josh and somebody else in his camp
when she first went missing in twenty twenty four. They
had learned that she was likely with him, and they
sent a letter to him. And I'll just say his
wife also saying, you know, here's from missing poster. She's
(33:22):
thirteen years old. She is with this guy, and then
the next day she showed up back home. And so
I think for Josh to say that he knows nothing
about this is disingenuous. And I will say LAPD called
them up.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
Do you know he got the email? Do you know
the email address? So we don't know that you got
the email.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
You said it was sent to his wife. Who's telling
you all this the person.
Speaker 8 (33:52):
Who sent the email. And I will say LAPD called
last week when I put that out, and they now
have a copy of the email, and they did verify
that the email address is correct. Whether you open it
or not, we don't know, but she did show up
the next day. But LAPD has the letter. They requested
it and they have it.
Speaker 5 (34:11):
Friends of Burke thought Celeste was nineteen and his girlfriend,
describing Burke as a very shy, quiet person. Friends said
they saw Burke and Celesti together a lot as a
romantically involved couple. Thinking Celeste was a student at usc
Friends of Burke saw Celestia at age restricted venues and clubs.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
So apparently she was being passed off as much older
than she actually was. And I'm noticing all the photos
that are posted off her, She's always covering her face.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
Very curious.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
Check it out, photo after photo after photo, she always
has her face covered very quickly. To Karen Stark, joining
us forends, it's psychologist. Karen, I want to touch on
the fact that Burke's alter ego Pain has emerged. Can
I see what he posted regarding his alter ego? Karen
(35:05):
Stark says, we've officially named the Blindfold character. His name
is Etami, that means pain and Japanese, and in all
of the videos after that, he personifies Etami. His alter id.
His alter ego is quote pain. That's troublesome Karen Stark, Well.
Speaker 9 (35:30):
It's something that doesn't surprise me, Nancy, because it's a
great way for him to cover up or not be
associated with that part of him that is perhaps homicidal
or talking about death and killing. So he doesn't do
it through David to himself. He does it through his
(35:51):
alter ego, which keeps him innocent to make it be
okay to have that dark side of their personality.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
You know, that's I just find that very disturbing. You know,
I've got a lot of nicknames for my children. My
son is awesome, he is big boy. He is my son,
My daughter is little Girl, my angel Mini me pain
is not really one of them. But I'm sure Josh
(36:22):
Colesry would object that coming into evidence. That said, an
ultra ego name does not a murder case make. So
let's talk about hard evidence. Back to Scott Aiker, joining
US digital forensics expert, founding member of the FBI Cellular
Analysis Survey Team. He is at PCA Experts dot com
(36:46):
Precision Cellular Analysis. Scott, I want to talk about the Tesla.
What evidence, if any, can I get from all of
those cameras on the Tesla?
Speaker 6 (36:55):
Well, the Tesla has a trove of information, not only
the cameras that are recording almost all the time in
Century mode. That's basically when you park the car, someone
comes up to the car, it actually activates the camera
and sends that stuff to a USB drive in the car.
(37:16):
That USB drive can be removed, a new one can
be replaced when it's full. You could delete that information
from the USB drive either via the app or while
you're in the car. But there's a ton much stuff
that that Tesl records, not only the cameras, but the
telematics of the car, when it was driven, how far
(37:37):
it was driven, stuff like that. There's even a camera
that's facing the driver now that's used for the full
self driving mode to make sure you're still awake, you're
paying attention to the road. And I believe that's still
stored in the car itself. I don't believe there's anything
stored in the cloud, but it's all stored in the car.
(38:00):
That USB drive and they do a extraction of the
data from the Tesla itself has going to be a
trove of information. Not only that, there's a phone in
the car, embedded in the car, so you can use
find the records for that phone and see what towers
it is using. There's just so much information they're going
to get from this Tesla.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
Scott Iiker, are you telling me that all of that
data is not stored in the cloud, that if someone
throws away or destroys the USB, it's over. I can't
recover that.
Speaker 6 (38:31):
That's what I understand. In my Tesla, there's a USB,
and when I can learn, even on my app and
look at the recordings from the cameras, it says it's
connecting to the car to get that data, not to
a cloud.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
From what I understand, the Tesla.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
Has a front facing camera, two cameras on the windshield,
two cameras on the side fenders, a rear facing camera
and gets a three hundred and sixty degree view of
the Tesla's environment while driving. The dash cam uses exterior
cameras recording footage in a loop, continuously capturing the car's surroundings.
(39:17):
My question is, Scott Iiker, I assume that includes the trunk,
the front facing trunk. There would be a camera on
the trunk that would presumably have caught whoever put her
body in it.
Speaker 6 (39:31):
Yeah, that is correct, that'd be the dash camera, the
one that's facing outward from the car, not inside the car,
and it faces right down the hood of the car,
So there should be footage of whoever's accessing the front
or the front trunk of that car, and all around
the car as they walk up to it.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
Another question you mentioned century mode century sentry for instance,
like a guardian a century place. Say let's pretend around
a military fort. Right, would you have to disable the
sentry mode like you unlock a car remote in order
(40:09):
to get in the car or would it set off
an alarm? I'm just trying to figure out if that
car was moved to place to place to place along
that high end neighborhood street, someone would have to know
how to disable.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
The sentry mode to crank up the car and move it.
Speaker 6 (40:25):
No, the centry mode itself turns off as you come
up to the car with the key, so it turns
out that part off. Then you're allowed to enter the
car and then drive it, so it's only recording as
its part.
Speaker 1 (40:38):
Can anybody remove the USB?
Speaker 2 (40:41):
Like, where's the USB kept in the vehicle?
Speaker 6 (40:45):
It's actually in the globbox. Surprisingly, you open the glovebox
and it's just sitting right there. You can pull it
out and put another one in if you needed to.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
This case is ongoing. It is under investigation as we speak.
No arrest has been named, no person of interest has
been named. We want justice for this little girl, Celeste.
If you know or think you know anything, even if
you think it is insignificant, please dial two one three
(41:18):
four eight six six eight nine zero. Repeat two one, three, four,
eight six six eight nine zero. We will get answers
as to what happened to Celeste. Grieve us and now
we remember an American hero, Deputy Sheriff Michael Hartwick of
(41:42):
Penelas County, Florida, killed in the line of duty, serve
nineteen years with the Sheriff's office and leaves behind two
grieving sons, William and Brandon. American hero Deputy Sheriff Michael Hartwick.
Nancy Grace signing off goodbye friend,
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