October 28, 2021 • 38 mins
Three brothers are found living with the skeletonized corpse of their 8-year-old brother. Kendrick Lee had been dead for about a year. Mother Gloria Y. Williams, 35, was arrested and charged with injury to a child by omission, failure to provide adequate supervision, and failure to provide medical care. Williams’ boyfriend, Brian W. Coulter, 31, was also arrested and charged with murder.
What's more, Williams and Coulter themselves moved, leaving the boys in the home. The couple lived in an apartment around 15 minutes away from the children. Kendrick’s siblings, ages 15, 10, and 7, had been living alone for almost a year, but finally, the 15-year-old called 911. Another of the boys had a blunt force injury to the jaw that required surgery.
Joining Nancy Grace Today:
- Jason Campo - Chief Prosecutor, 107th District Court (Cameron County, Texas), 5 years in District Attorney's Office Family Violence Unit, Domestic Violence Task Force
- Dr. Alan Blotcky Ph.D. - Clinical and Forensic Psychologist (Birmingham, AL) specializing in Criminal, Child Custody and Abuse
- Joe Scott Morgan - Professor of Forensics: Jacksonville State University, Author, "Blood Beneath My Feet", Host: "Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan"
- Sarina Fazan - Four-time Emmy Award-Winning TV Anchor & Reporter, The Sarina Fazan Network, sarinafazannetwork.tv, Podcast: "On The Record with Sarina Fazan", "@sarinafazannews, YouTube: Sarina Fazan TV
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Did a seemingly perfectly normal
thirty one year old guy turn into a gangster wannabe
and terrorize his longtime girlfriend's children as she just stood by?
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Did she need a man that badly? Crime Stories with
Nancy Grace. First of all, take a listen to our
friends at CBS twelve. The talk floor apartment now quiet
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only a notice from CPS taped to the door. According
to Harris County Sheriff's Office, to call Kman Sunday from
a fifteen year old boy. He says he and his brothers,
just ten and seven years old, had been abandoned by
their parents. Their nine year old brother's body was in
the apartment with them. Deputies are now interviewing the mother
and her boyfriend, and it appears the skeletal remains have
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been there for an extended a period of time, so,
you know, just connecting all the dots at this point,
it seems that they were in there while the body
was to your reading. Samantha lives two floors below the
unit where the boys were found with her own kids.
She says she didn't even know children lived in the apartment.
I didn't even know if someone even stayed there. I
thought it was a bad na, like, you know, just
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like it was just an empty apartment or whatever. And
so now he was like, oh wow, people was living
up there. At CPS is also investigating alongside law enforcement.
The boys weren't taken to an area hospital to be treated.
Christian Gomez has three boys of his own. I'm so shocking, like,
like what about the parents? What about all this there?
Like like I'm gonna worry him like a kid, like
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I got kids, you know, like like leaving parents to
wonder who would do this to these young boys? I
am too think about it. Three children living there, fifteen
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year old and two little brothers ten and seven, while
in the next room is their dead eight year old brother.
And they live this way for months and months and months,
maybe over a year. Take a listen again to our
friends at CBS twelve. A living nightmare inside this apartment,
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filled with twisted secrets. Neighbors knew the situation in this
apartment wasn't normal, but they never imagine the true horror inside.
Three boys abandoned by their mother, living with the remains
of what investigators believed to be their dead sibling. I
never saw those other keys. The Harris County Sheriff's office
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says the rent kept getting paid, but the mother hasn't
been back in months. Fifteen year olds relying on his
neighbor Erica Chapman, who started giving him food six months ago.
You would not eat anything that you made. Um. You
had to buy it, like had to be a salad
that was closed from the store or a pizza through
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had to still be in a bag. Another resident at
City Park two at wes Stoakes apartment, Troy Thompson, also
was feeding him. He once got a glance inside the
apartments just like trash, like the Brief and Cheers piece
of boxes without electricity. The fifteen year olds asked Thompson
to charge a cell phone shortly before calling nine one
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one on Sunday the last time. And I saw the phone,
I asked, is everything as you say so? And then
I asked you rolling somewhere? He saved properly and then
he walked away about seven minutes later. The Party School
investigators say the skeletal remains have been in the apartment
for a year. Chapman and Thompson had no idea about
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the dark secrets. The fifteen year old was living with.
Why do you think he had a talk people he
had father to finding out what happened yesterday. I think
he was more nervous and scared. Are they going to
bring me for this? From my parents? Going to punish
you for this? The fifteen year old older brother Jordan,
his ten year old little brother Trevan, and Javon seven
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years old, all living in that home. And you know,
those children had to know how wrong their life was,
living in an abandoned apartment with their dead brother in
the other room, and seeing other children their age having
normal lives, but knowing we're not like that, having to
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deal with that day after day after day, with me
an all star panel to try and make sense of this.
Jason Campo, Chief Prosecutor, joining us out of Texas, Cameron County.
Doctor Alan Blocky, PhD. Joining US out of Birmingham for
forensic psychologist Josh Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University,
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an author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon, and
Sabrina Fazzon, four time Emmy Award winning anchor and reporter
at Serena Fazon News Serena. It's really hard for me
to take this in Where was mommy and daddy? I
know me too, Nancy. It's just so awful. Can you
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believe that they lived twenty five minutes away or so?
Why were they in a different home than their own kids.
It's just so hard to imagine. And if you had
mentioned earlier and we heard those reports, this had been
going on for months, months, maybe nearly a year, and
they were down the street. Did you notice a Serena Fazon,
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this guy, the so called a boyfriend of the mother,
had suddenly decided he wanted to be a gangster, or
at least give the appearance of being a gangster. Did
you see his appearance change? How suddenly he's uh sporting
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gold teeth and covered himself with tattoos and chains just
out of the blue. What happened to him? He turned
into overnight badass? Or so he thought? What's so? I mean,
how much of a badass do you have to be
to beat up an eight year old little boy? I mean,
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you know, this is what we know, or what I
think I know, Serena Fazon, you tell me if I'm wrong.
But apparently he broke one little boy's jaw, killed one
little boy, age eight, and left the other gripped with fear,
while mommy, who was also a POS as a technical
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legal term, stood by and watched and let it happen
to her children. It's you, Nancy, You've described it. That's
what That's what the deputies are saying. And what's even
more horrifying is that they believe that the ten year
old witnessed the beating of his little brother and the
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mother apparently told her boyfriend she wanted she wanted to
get help, but then she she told her not to,
and of course she listened. Just like what you said
at the very beginning of the show, Did she really
need a man that much? It's crazy. Well, I guarantee
you this is not going to rise to the level
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of legal insanity, and her decision to live twenty five
minutes away from her three boys and its self is
felony child neglect and abuse. Take a listen to Aurica
one A. This is zach territory a khou eleven, a
children's playground. He was sleeping on the side. Chapman says
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she first met the fifteen year old boy who were
told called nine to one, claiming he and his siblings
had been living with the remains of their brother in
the room next to his and I asked him if
he was hungry, and he said yeah. I brought him
out some food in some drinks. Harris County deputies discovered
that fifteen year old boy, along with a seven and
ten year old boy, and tragically the remains of another
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young child. Honestly, I'm disgusted if I knew something was
wrong with any of those kids out and took all
of them. The neighbors had no idea, And that is
a big sign to you, Jason Campo. You and I
have both worked so meanly child abuse and child neglect cases.
When neighbors don't even know children lived there, there's something
way wrong. It shows that this has been going on
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for years and years, and the fact that the fifteen
year old lived in the apartment for a year with
his other brothers and the body of his deceased brother
and didn't call until now shows that this is a
mindset that those kids have been exposed to some kind
of abuse since they were really really young, because they
didn't even know that this was inappropriate. Time stories with
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Nancy Grace to doctor Allan Blockey, PhD, forensic psychologist joining
us out of Birmingham doctor Blockkeey, why do you need
a man that badly, a guy who's going to beat
your children, kill one of your children and insists you
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of twenty five minutes away and leaving the boys and
apartment with no air conditioned, no heat, nothing. Yeah, I
mean it shows you how disturbed and out of touch
this mother was, and how neglectful and abuse if she
was at the same time. I mean, it's just it's
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it's really almost an unbelievable case. Right, It's one of
the worst ones I've heard of where she just totally
left these kids behind. I don't know if she's involved
in drug abuse or whether she's No. No, because this blocky,
if she were involved in drug abuse, Number one, that
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it's not a defense under the law, your voluntary use
of drugs. That's not excuse you or justify your crimes.
That's on you. But you know, a lot of juries
might think, oh, well, she was out of her mind
on drugs. She didn't know what she was doing. This
woman was not high on drugs. Look at her. She's
perfectly healthy looking, living with this boyfriend, and she knew
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what was happening there. She is and all of her makeup,
her hair has been colored, she's got on nice clothes,
b ass on that blockkey, don't give her a pass claiming, Oh,
she's drug addled. She didn't use drugs. No, I don't
want to be misunderstood. I wasn't trying to give her
a pass. I was just trying to just trying to
figure out exactly what the factors are that are leading
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to her neglectful and abusive behavior, because there's really no
clear explanation for it other than that, why do you
always go and stick your nose in your DSM? What
does that stand for? Diagnostic? What statistical manual? That? It's
a book, guys, it's about that big. When it was prose,
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King was constantly looking up mental disorders to find out
what they meant. Do they rise to the level of insanity? No,
it's like you're narcissistic a personality disorder. You know what
that means? You're self centered like narcissists in Greek mythology,
all he could be interested in was his own reflection
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in the pool. His whole world was about himself. That's
not insanity. That's called self centered. And this mother is
not insane. She stood by Wait, let's bring it all home.
Joe Scott, Mo're gonna listen to this. The children claim
the boyfriend, Coulter struck their eight year old brother. Joe Scott,
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do you remember when your child, your children were eight
years old? How little and defenseless strike the eight year
old with closed fist kicked him in the face, feet, back, testicles,
and buttocks. Wait a minute, wait, the seven year old
son tells deputies. Culter continued kicking Kendrick, now dead, who
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was then lying on the floor and not moving it
while staring at the other little brother who was in
the room. What did you hear? What happened to him?
Just Scott, Yes, ma'am I did. And let me kind
of break this down a little bit. Absolutely hate him,
and let me think what juristiction this is Texas. Oh,
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he can get the death penalty and so can that. Sorry, mother, Okay,
go ahead. Yeah. You know the thing about this is
we've heard that the body of this poor young child
will skeletonize Nancy. And they're totally skeletonized. Well that's what
they're saying, at least that's what they're implying. And they're
talking about you know what, and they're talking about blunt
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force trauma. You know what that tells me? This is
even more insidious. They're telling me by saying that that,
since they don't have any soft tissue to examine to
look for bruises, this kid's probably got multiple and I
mean multiple fractures over the extent of his body. You're
talking about kicking him in the testicles, he could have
a fracture for actual pelvis. You're talking about punching me
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in the face. The facial bones can be broken. He's
probably been stomped on. He's probably got broken ribs, this
sort of thing. This is still visible after a year, Nancy.
He's decomposed to the point down to where he is
a skeleton in the adjacent room. And what's really chilling
about this, Nancy. When we work in the morgue, we
get to see horrible things, but you know what, at
the end of the day, we get to leave. These
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kids had to endwell this residence with a decomposing body
of their sibling. Jason Campo, I don't know if you've
ever felt that I feel right now, but there were
times in trial, and it got worse and worse over
my ten years prosecuting in Inner City, Atlanta. As my
case has became more and more evil and complex, sometimes
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I would hate to even say the case to the jury,
and I have to screw myself up to actually or
rate what I knew because it's so horrible. I don't
know if you've ever had that feeling, but I'm sitting
here about to tell you a fact, and I hate it.
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I hate it. It leaves a horrible, horrible taste in
my mouth. But when police arrived at the apartment, they
find one child with a swollen jaw. The boy said
his mother knew about the injury, but did not seek
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or get medical aid for him. Here we go. The
ten year old son told investigators that when Williams came by,
that is his mother, Gloria Williams. She lifted the blanket
off eight year old Kendrick and found his body feet
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and teeth. I turned into a skeleton. That his quote
here was off and his corpse was covered with cockroaches. Okay,
wait a minute, let it sink in. She pulled the
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blanket back and saw her son skeletonized, covered in roaches,
and what if anything did she do? She left? She
left with her other son with a swollen jaw and
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did not seek or obtain medical help. May she wrought
in hell along with her good for nothing boyfriend. Okay,
there you go. I don't even know how to respond
to something like that, because it truly is one of
those cases that when it lands on your desk and
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you read it for the first time and you try
to understand it all how you're going to start to
go forward with it, you feel kind of off mentally
after you read it, and you have to say, Okay,
you know what, I'm going to let this sit for
a couple of days and then come back to it
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and try to, I guess, desensitize yourself so you can
start to prepare to take it to trial, because this
is one of those cases where both of these people
deserve what is coming to them, you know. Serena Fason,
people often say to me, why don't you smile when
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you're on TV? Are they crazy? I mean, at first,
I go and I wouldn't say anything back, But finally
I was asked that so many times, why don't you
smile and soften up when you're on TV? If somebody
could smile through these facts, I don't hear anything they
have to say. Because they're a big fake. How can
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you smile when you're recounting something like this, I don't
get it. You've had to be on TV many, many
times telling horrific stories. I've never seen you actually grimace,
but you certainly don't deliver it with a smile. I mean,
I wouldn't trusting any mind that could smile through this.
Absolutely not. I know. I mean honestly, Nancy, there husband
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sometimes that I actually cried on the air. But I
don't know how people can't smile for crying. Yeah, I know, yeah,
you know, I mean it's it is hard sometimes I
have to say, though, And you know, with news transitioning
from one story to the next and changing you know,
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your facial expression, so that can be difficult the time.
But just I'm sitting here with goosebumps and in shock,
trying to absorb everything with what these poor kids had
gone through. Time Stories with Nancy Grace, Serena Fazio, Scott,
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Doctor block Key, Jason Camper, everybody jump in. Please, there's
no formality here. I'm not a drinker or a gambler,
but I'll tell you after this case, I swear I
could use a drink and I mean a big drink,
and I don't even know what I would order, Doctor
Alan Blockett. I think that's why lawyers have such a
high rate of alcohol, isn't drug dependency and suicide because
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we see the horrificness of this case is just mind boggling,
and I think we're all reflecting that in the comments
that we're making. Our our visceral reaction to it is
so extreme because it's such an extreme case, and to
it is normal. What, Serena, what I was going to say?
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You know this qu fifteen year old, right, we all
depend on our moms to protect us. So here he
is living in these conditions, waiting and waiting and waiting,
hoping his mother would come to his defense, and instead,
here he is, at only fifteen, taking care of his
two little brothers, and his mother never ever ever came forward.
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I mean, that's pathetic. Guys. Take a listen to Eric
cut one day. This is zach Tartari khou eleven. According
to the Harris County Sheriff's Office, the mother of the
boys and her boyfriend were brought in for questioning but released.
Child Protective Services send us this statement that says, in part,
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the agency is seeking emergency custody of the three boys. Oh,
he wouldn't talk about his parents. Erica says she didn't
want to push the boy too hard with questions, hoping
he would open up to her, because I did not
want him not to come to me for food. If
you're that hungry, I want him to keep coming through.
At least I know he was eating. The neighbors cared
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more about this fifteen year old than the mother, and
I don't hear about anybody feeding the other children, the
ten year old and the seven year old. I wonder
if the fifteen year old would take the food back
to them. Did I just hear that straight? Would you
play the beginning of that one more time? Please? Uh, Tyler,
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please play the beginning of one B one more time.
According to the Harris County Sheriff's Office, the mother of
the boys and her boyfriend were brought in for questioning.
But release. Okay, there, right there, right there, you're released. Released.
Oh my god, oh my god, oh my god. Okay.
First of all, we don't say OMG on crime stories, sorry,
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but that is released. What how did those two get
out of jail? Serena help me? Well, definitely said at
the beginning that they didn't have enough evidence to keep
them Nancy, Oh, other than the eyewitnesses that saw the
boyfriend beat the child dead. Oh, and listen to this.
Listen to this, doctor Alan Blockkey. Hold on, I've I've
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got to quote it verbatim. The little boy witness said
he watched his little eight year old brother, Kendrick Lee,
stop blinking during the assault, the kicking assault where he
was kicked in the stomach, the back, the rear end,
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and the genitals, the boyfriend, the stepfather, And he watched
as his little brother quit blinking. And I don't know
why it came to mind, doctor Blockkey. My daughter at night,
she goes good night, and she closes her eyes like
a little princess. She looks like a sleeping beauty. She
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just lies there all night and doesn't move, just perfectly
with their little face, perfectly composed. My son kicks like
a wild animal. But I've watched him fall asleep and
he looks and he looks soften to the distance. The
lights might be off, and then he closes his eyes
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and he's asleep. That's how he falls asleep. And I'll
never forget either of them, the way they fall asleep
as babies, as children, And now you got this brother
saying I was watching my little brother, I was watching
Kendricks and I saw his eyes stop blinking while my
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stepfather was kicking him dead. What more information did they
need to hear? I mean, I didn't help us in yeah,
Jason Campo, What more information did they need? The only
thing I can think of it at this point with
that is sometimes they wait until interviewers for the children
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can come in and do it in a more sterile setting,
and the police don't just instantly go right to the
children and start questioning them and asking them. So the
only thing I can think of is maybe they hadn't
done those interviews yet with the children when they had
the parents in there the first time, and that's why
they let them go the first time, until they actually
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got to talk to the children. Mother and boyfriend charged
in boy's death and siblings abandonment in upscale Houston apartment
released released Serena Bazon. Why in the world would they
let them out? You know, I mean, honestly, what was
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just said did make sense. Perhaps they did not have
a chance to talk to the children first, and investigators
before and arrest they do want to make sure that
they have a case. But I'm still stunned with this one, Nancy,
that they were actually released. I mean, don't understand it either.
I don't understand why they would be released the first time.
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They're on a razor's edge with these other children, because
this other child has been murdered, all right, what's to
say that these other two kids would not also fall
to the same fate because they're they're essentially witnesses. They've
been ongoing witnesses for over a year to what's going
on with this body, and to eliminate them would just
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you know, bolster any kind of case that the perpetrator
might have to prove their innocence or to thwart the
prosecutors from from further prosecuting them. You know, I can't believe.
I'm stunned. I get sick to my stomach, particularly when
when child family are involved, of child Family Services are involved. Yeah,
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speaking as CPS, how come nobody noticed when the eight
year old was no longer in school? And why cples
go visit the home? Who's that that, you, Serena? Yeah,
that's a very interesting point, because you know what came
up was there was an issue with truancy. Right, but
because of this whole unprecedented time with COVID, even that
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department said, even though that department said that many cases
fell through the cracks and investing, when people say admitted
to that, that is all. That's a technical legal term.
Another one, Jason Campo, that means somebody didn't do their job.
It just slipped through the cracks. B s. You threw
it through the cracks. You neglected to do your job.
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That's what face masks. That's what these are for, so
you can get out there and do your job. That's
absolutely right. You know, there is no excuse for that.
And I don't know what happened there in the breakdown
of that, but somebody also needs to look into that too. Guys,
take a listen to our friend and cut three and
Alaya ruiz Kho. You listen the Medical Examiner's office releasing
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the cause of death for that nine year old little boy,
ruling his death homicidal violence with multiple blunt force injuries.
The boy has not been identified at this time. We've
also learned the boys attended a lefist. The school district
says the last time they were in school was in
May of twenty twenty. They never went back to school
after that. The school district says they made several attempts
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to contact a mother, even visited the apartment back in
September of twenty twenty, but they were not able to
reach anyone. The school district says the mother had two
truancy cases for two of the boys. One case was
for twenty nineteen and the second was for twenty twenty,
but the cases were not prosecuted by the Harris County
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DA's office during the pandemic. So everybody's blaming the pandemic,
all right, and we'll wait. You know how I feel
about politics, and I don't want to drag that into
the murder of a little eight year old boy. But
correct me if I'm wrong, anybody on the panel, anybody
in the studio. I know you can't wait to correct me.
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Are there are no more mandates? I know they're not
in Florida? What about in Texas? Do you have to
wear a mask? Do you have to get the vaccine?
So they're blaming the pandemic, but they're they're not worried
about wearing a mask or vaccine. What's the story on that?
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How can you blame the pandemic. If you're not worried
about it, anybody feel free to jump in. Jason Campo,
You're in Texas. What's happening? So the mask mandate, there
is not a statewide one right now. Some school districts
individually are trying to still enforce them, but there is
nothing that is statewide right now that is mandated for
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schools to be open or in any instance like that. Wait,
there's no mandate for schools to be open. There's no
mandate that they have to wear masks. The CPS is
still hiding behind the pandemic. That's why they didn't do
their job, is that what they're saying. Very hard to
believe that these children were not on CPS's radar prior
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to these events. There was merely a truancy issue. This
is ongoing abuse that was going on for a protracted
period of time. Nancy, the fact that they would actually
have the audacity to talk about the COVID epidemic relative
to this is absolutely intellectually insulting. Said it so much
better than I did. Just got more trial that the
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time stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, take a listen to
our cut eight this is Sergeant Dennis Walford. Listen, nine
year old does have an injury to the jaw that
we can believe was close to his jaw by the
boyfriend Brian Coulter several weeks ago. There was no medical
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attention given for that injury. Um that that injury is
going to cause or is he's gonna have to have
surgery and that surgery will happen soon. Um. They were
very thin. Uh. You know. One of the first things
I asked them what they are they hug and they
said they were And first thing I don't know is
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because we're cops, are what? But they wanted donuts, so
we immediately went and got them Shipley's Donuts. But there's
the physical injury that was evident to the nine year old.
You know that that's the only real over a sign
of trauma to them as far as far as physical.
Let me go to an expert in Texas Donuts is
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Jason Campo joining US Chief Prosecutor out of Cameron County.
Jason is what a ship please like Krispy Kreme is
to Georgia, Shipley is to Texas? What a ship please Dinuts?
It is? Ship Leaves is a is more like a
Dunkin Donuts here, but we have Shipley's all over the
state of Texas. That's a very popular donut. I mean
it's the cakey kind. Yes, okay, yeah, I don't like that.
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I like the crispy cream kind. But I have never
refused a donut of any sort. So I need to
come and do an exploratory search of Shipley's Donuts. And
you guys out there, and Dodor Blokey, you may be
able to help me. Jason, Joe Scott Serena. You may
wonder why that lieutenant, excuse me, Sergeant Dennis Wofford laughed
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about the boys wanting Shipley's donuts. You know why, because
sometimes it is so overwhelming you can either just get
dragged down into it and never get back out, or
you can find something every once in a while to
smile about. And you know, to you Jason Campo many
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many times, many times and even to this day, truly
close friends and I at the District Attorney's office. We
don't talk about the cases because they are very upsetting
and I could be, you know, prepping for a trial.
Of course, I wouldn't eat lunch during a trial, but
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prepping for a trial, and I would have a sale
with some money and we would talk about everything but
the case, because it can take you down a dark
hole of depression and you can hardly get back out again. So,
you know, God bless Ship Pleas Donuts for that one
moment the sergeant could smile during this investigation. Did you
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experience that? I definitely we do. I think it's an
unspoken rule among profecutors that when you go to lunch
or when you sit down and have lunch together, you
talk about anything other than what you're actually working on.
The thing that made me smile when he said the
Ship pleas Donuts is that it just amazes me the
spirit of these children who have gone through this horrific,
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horrific thing that I can't even wrap my mind around either,
and they still just want a ship, please don't right, Like,
the innocence of that is just so astounding to me. Yeah,
I mean it shows you how resilient children really are.
I mean, they're going to be scarred emotionally, there's no
doubt about it that there resilience of young people is
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just so obvious. Sometimes. Yeah, I'm just thinking about the
one little brother that to this day. He talks about
seeing his brother stop blinking his eyes. That is going
to haunt him. He's going to wake up when he's
sixty years old dreaming about that moment thanks to this
a hole another I'm just really throwing the Latin phrases
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around today. Brian called her the boyfriend and Gloria Williams
the sorry mother. Speaking of upsetting, it disturbing. I don't
like it, but this is part of the case cycle
ast an hour, cut nine. This is the Harris County
Sheriff Egglin Solace. I want mentioned as well because that
was something that was very disturbing. As back to the
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different parts. We had a the dry remains, skeletal remains
that were present so clearly in our initial observations. The
body had been there for a long time, you know,
and so that was disturbing. But on top of that,
we had a serious injury to another small child that
apparently had not received to our knowledge, any kind of
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medical attention, any any pain treatment or anything like that
during the course of this. I also want to point
out as well, I mentioned a little bit that the
apartment was in a deplorable condition. We saw soiled carpet,
no furniture, no furniture at all, no bedding, no blankets,
nothing that that we could see. And it appeared to
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have what I spent, roaches and flies and just things.
It was very bad condition for anyone, especially children, to
live in. Take a listen also to our cut tian.
These are documents that we obtain from the court. Listen.
Officers arrived spoke with the fifteen year old child, who
stated that he found his younger brother, the deceased minor complainant,
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in a bedroom of the residence sometime around Thanksgiving of
last year, two thousand and twenty. He believed this defendant
would call the police, told officers that she never did so,
and that she then had moved out of the apartment,
leaving them in the residence with his deceased younger brother
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without adult supervision. He stated that they had found his
younger brother approximately one week before Thanksgiving. He also told
officers that the co defendant, who is the boyfriend of
this defendant, would lock them in a bedroom and he
would hear them hitting his brothers while he was in
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the room with them. He stated he told this defendant
about the conduct, but she ignored him, said she would
talk with the defendant, and the fifteen year old stated
quote that never worked and in our cut thirteen, listen
to what happened to the other little boy's jaw. Law
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enforcement officers on scene observed that ten year old child
to have extensive swelling to his face and draw when
they made contact with him. On October twenty fourth, he
was transported to Texas Children's Hospital, where it was discovered
that he had blunt force trauma to the face, which
would require surgery because medical treatment was not sought or
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obtained when he was injured. During a forensic interview the
following day, he disclosed that the injury had occurred when
the codefendant struck him in the face approximately three weeks prior,
and that this defendant was aware of the injury but
did not seek or obtain medical aid for him. Serena Fazon,
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after we started rooting around and digging around in this case,
suddenly mommy and her live in have been arrested. Again.
Are they in custody and are they facing trial and
if so for what? Yes, so they are in custody,
and going back to that first question, why were they released?
I did a little bit of more research and it
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said that detectives wanted to gather more evidence, but right
now they are in custody. The boyfriend is being evaluated
go in a mental health facility, but he's facing homicide charges.
What I am concerned with, though, is the mother. Her
charges are injury to a child, biomission, and tampering with evidence.
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So Nanthy, you would know better, but I would hope
that they would upgrade those charges. I predict a grand
jury is going to hear this case. Those are the
current charges that she was arrested under. For instance, I
say Jackie is still a car. I call a cop.
He comes and arrests her for still in a car.
Then we find a dead body in the trunk. Oh,
the grand jury indict her for the murder too, Sorry, Jackie,
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come in a lot of crimes over there. But long
story short, wait till the grand jury hears all this.
I believe she will be indicted as a codefendant and
then murder of her own son, Kendrick Lee. And again,
let me throw another Latin phrase at you. Rot in hell, mommy,
and take your live in with you. We wait as
justice unfolds. Nancy Grace signing off, goodbye friend,
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Did a seemingly perfectly normal
thirty one year old guy turn into a gangster wannabe
and terrorize his longtime girlfriend's children as she just stood by?
(00:32):
Did she need a man that badly? Crime Stories with
Nancy Grace. First of all, take a listen to our
friends at CBS twelve. The talk floor apartment now quiet
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only a notice from CPS taped to the door. According
to Harris County Sheriff's Office, to call Kman Sunday from
a fifteen year old boy. He says he and his brothers,
just ten and seven years old, had been abandoned by
their parents. Their nine year old brother's body was in
the apartment with them. Deputies are now interviewing the mother
and her boyfriend, and it appears the skeletal remains have
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been there for an extended a period of time, so,
you know, just connecting all the dots at this point,
it seems that they were in there while the body
was to your reading. Samantha lives two floors below the
unit where the boys were found with her own kids.
She says she didn't even know children lived in the apartment.
I didn't even know if someone even stayed there. I
thought it was a bad na, like, you know, just
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like it was just an empty apartment or whatever. And
so now he was like, oh wow, people was living
up there. At CPS is also investigating alongside law enforcement.
The boys weren't taken to an area hospital to be treated.
Christian Gomez has three boys of his own. I'm so shocking, like,
like what about the parents? What about all this there?
Like like I'm gonna worry him like a kid, like
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I got kids, you know, like like leaving parents to
wonder who would do this to these young boys? I
am too think about it. Three children living there, fifteen
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year old and two little brothers ten and seven, while
in the next room is their dead eight year old brother.
And they live this way for months and months and months,
maybe over a year. Take a listen again to our
friends at CBS twelve. A living nightmare inside this apartment,
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filled with twisted secrets. Neighbors knew the situation in this
apartment wasn't normal, but they never imagine the true horror inside.
Three boys abandoned by their mother, living with the remains
of what investigators believed to be their dead sibling. I
never saw those other keys. The Harris County Sheriff's office
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says the rent kept getting paid, but the mother hasn't
been back in months. Fifteen year olds relying on his
neighbor Erica Chapman, who started giving him food six months ago.
You would not eat anything that you made. Um. You
had to buy it, like had to be a salad
that was closed from the store or a pizza through
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had to still be in a bag. Another resident at
City Park two at wes Stoakes apartment, Troy Thompson, also
was feeding him. He once got a glance inside the
apartments just like trash, like the Brief and Cheers piece
of boxes without electricity. The fifteen year olds asked Thompson
to charge a cell phone shortly before calling nine one
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one on Sunday the last time. And I saw the phone,
I asked, is everything as you say so? And then
I asked you rolling somewhere? He saved properly and then
he walked away about seven minutes later. The Party School
investigators say the skeletal remains have been in the apartment
for a year. Chapman and Thompson had no idea about
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the dark secrets. The fifteen year old was living with.
Why do you think he had a talk people he
had father to finding out what happened yesterday. I think
he was more nervous and scared. Are they going to
bring me for this? From my parents? Going to punish
you for this? The fifteen year old older brother Jordan,
his ten year old little brother Trevan, and Javon seven
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years old, all living in that home. And you know,
those children had to know how wrong their life was,
living in an abandoned apartment with their dead brother in
the other room, and seeing other children their age having
normal lives, but knowing we're not like that, having to
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deal with that day after day after day, with me
an all star panel to try and make sense of this.
Jason Campo, Chief Prosecutor, joining us out of Texas, Cameron County.
Doctor Alan Blocky, PhD. Joining US out of Birmingham for
forensic psychologist Josh Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University,
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an author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon, and
Sabrina Fazzon, four time Emmy Award winning anchor and reporter
at Serena Fazon News Serena. It's really hard for me
to take this in Where was mommy and daddy? I
know me too, Nancy. It's just so awful. Can you
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believe that they lived twenty five minutes away or so?
Why were they in a different home than their own kids.
It's just so hard to imagine. And if you had
mentioned earlier and we heard those reports, this had been
going on for months, months, maybe nearly a year, and
they were down the street. Did you notice a Serena Fazon,
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this guy, the so called a boyfriend of the mother,
had suddenly decided he wanted to be a gangster, or
at least give the appearance of being a gangster. Did
you see his appearance change? How suddenly he's uh sporting
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gold teeth and covered himself with tattoos and chains just
out of the blue. What happened to him? He turned
into overnight badass? Or so he thought? What's so? I mean,
how much of a badass do you have to be
to beat up an eight year old little boy? I mean,
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you know, this is what we know, or what I
think I know, Serena Fazon, you tell me if I'm wrong.
But apparently he broke one little boy's jaw, killed one
little boy, age eight, and left the other gripped with fear,
while mommy, who was also a POS as a technical
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legal term, stood by and watched and let it happen
to her children. It's you, Nancy, You've described it. That's
what That's what the deputies are saying. And what's even
more horrifying is that they believe that the ten year
old witnessed the beating of his little brother and the
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mother apparently told her boyfriend she wanted she wanted to
get help, but then she she told her not to,
and of course she listened. Just like what you said
at the very beginning of the show, Did she really
need a man that much? It's crazy. Well, I guarantee
you this is not going to rise to the level
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of legal insanity, and her decision to live twenty five
minutes away from her three boys and its self is
felony child neglect and abuse. Take a listen to Aurica
one A. This is zach territory a khou eleven, a
children's playground. He was sleeping on the side. Chapman says
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she first met the fifteen year old boy who were
told called nine to one, claiming he and his siblings
had been living with the remains of their brother in
the room next to his and I asked him if
he was hungry, and he said yeah. I brought him
out some food in some drinks. Harris County deputies discovered
that fifteen year old boy, along with a seven and
ten year old boy, and tragically the remains of another
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young child. Honestly, I'm disgusted if I knew something was
wrong with any of those kids out and took all
of them. The neighbors had no idea, And that is
a big sign to you, Jason Campo. You and I
have both worked so meanly child abuse and child neglect cases.
When neighbors don't even know children lived there, there's something
way wrong. It shows that this has been going on
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for years and years, and the fact that the fifteen
year old lived in the apartment for a year with
his other brothers and the body of his deceased brother
and didn't call until now shows that this is a
mindset that those kids have been exposed to some kind
of abuse since they were really really young, because they
didn't even know that this was inappropriate. Time stories with
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Nancy Grace to doctor Allan Blockey, PhD, forensic psychologist joining
us out of Birmingham doctor Blockkeey, why do you need
a man that badly, a guy who's going to beat
your children, kill one of your children and insists you
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of twenty five minutes away and leaving the boys and
apartment with no air conditioned, no heat, nothing. Yeah, I
mean it shows you how disturbed and out of touch
this mother was, and how neglectful and abuse if she
was at the same time. I mean, it's just it's
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it's really almost an unbelievable case. Right, It's one of
the worst ones I've heard of where she just totally
left these kids behind. I don't know if she's involved
in drug abuse or whether she's No. No, because this blocky,
if she were involved in drug abuse, Number one, that
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it's not a defense under the law, your voluntary use
of drugs. That's not excuse you or justify your crimes.
That's on you. But you know, a lot of juries
might think, oh, well, she was out of her mind
on drugs. She didn't know what she was doing. This
woman was not high on drugs. Look at her. She's
perfectly healthy looking, living with this boyfriend, and she knew
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what was happening there. She is and all of her makeup,
her hair has been colored, she's got on nice clothes,
b ass on that blockkey, don't give her a pass claiming, Oh,
she's drug addled. She didn't use drugs. No, I don't
want to be misunderstood. I wasn't trying to give her
a pass. I was just trying to just trying to
figure out exactly what the factors are that are leading
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to her neglectful and abusive behavior, because there's really no
clear explanation for it other than that, why do you
always go and stick your nose in your DSM? What
does that stand for? Diagnostic? What statistical manual? That? It's
a book, guys, it's about that big. When it was prose,
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King was constantly looking up mental disorders to find out
what they meant. Do they rise to the level of insanity? No,
it's like you're narcissistic a personality disorder. You know what
that means? You're self centered like narcissists in Greek mythology,
all he could be interested in was his own reflection
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in the pool. His whole world was about himself. That's
not insanity. That's called self centered. And this mother is
not insane. She stood by Wait, let's bring it all home.
Joe Scott, Mo're gonna listen to this. The children claim
the boyfriend, Coulter struck their eight year old brother. Joe Scott,
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do you remember when your child, your children were eight
years old? How little and defenseless strike the eight year
old with closed fist kicked him in the face, feet, back, testicles,
and buttocks. Wait a minute, wait, the seven year old
son tells deputies. Culter continued kicking Kendrick, now dead, who
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was then lying on the floor and not moving it
while staring at the other little brother who was in
the room. What did you hear? What happened to him?
Just Scott, Yes, ma'am I did. And let me kind
of break this down a little bit. Absolutely hate him,
and let me think what juristiction this is Texas. Oh,
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he can get the death penalty and so can that. Sorry, mother, Okay,
go ahead. Yeah. You know the thing about this is
we've heard that the body of this poor young child
will skeletonize Nancy. And they're totally skeletonized. Well that's what
they're saying, at least that's what they're implying. And they're
talking about you know what, and they're talking about blunt
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force trauma. You know what that tells me? This is
even more insidious. They're telling me by saying that that,
since they don't have any soft tissue to examine to
look for bruises, this kid's probably got multiple and I
mean multiple fractures over the extent of his body. You're
talking about kicking him in the testicles, he could have
a fracture for actual pelvis. You're talking about punching me
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in the face. The facial bones can be broken. He's
probably been stomped on. He's probably got broken ribs, this
sort of thing. This is still visible after a year, Nancy.
He's decomposed to the point down to where he is
a skeleton in the adjacent room. And what's really chilling
about this, Nancy. When we work in the morgue, we
get to see horrible things, but you know what, at
the end of the day, we get to leave. These
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kids had to endwell this residence with a decomposing body
of their sibling. Jason Campo, I don't know if you've
ever felt that I feel right now, but there were
times in trial, and it got worse and worse over
my ten years prosecuting in Inner City, Atlanta. As my
case has became more and more evil and complex, sometimes
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I would hate to even say the case to the jury,
and I have to screw myself up to actually or
rate what I knew because it's so horrible. I don't
know if you've ever had that feeling, but I'm sitting
here about to tell you a fact, and I hate it.
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I hate it. It leaves a horrible, horrible taste in
my mouth. But when police arrived at the apartment, they
find one child with a swollen jaw. The boy said
his mother knew about the injury, but did not seek
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or get medical aid for him. Here we go. The
ten year old son told investigators that when Williams came by,
that is his mother, Gloria Williams. She lifted the blanket
off eight year old Kendrick and found his body feet
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and teeth. I turned into a skeleton. That his quote
here was off and his corpse was covered with cockroaches. Okay,
wait a minute, let it sink in. She pulled the
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blanket back and saw her son skeletonized, covered in roaches,
and what if anything did she do? She left? She
left with her other son with a swollen jaw and
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did not seek or obtain medical help. May she wrought
in hell along with her good for nothing boyfriend. Okay,
there you go. I don't even know how to respond
to something like that, because it truly is one of
those cases that when it lands on your desk and
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you read it for the first time and you try
to understand it all how you're going to start to
go forward with it, you feel kind of off mentally
after you read it, and you have to say, Okay,
you know what, I'm going to let this sit for
a couple of days and then come back to it
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and try to, I guess, desensitize yourself so you can
start to prepare to take it to trial, because this
is one of those cases where both of these people
deserve what is coming to them, you know. Serena Fason,
people often say to me, why don't you smile when
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you're on TV? Are they crazy? I mean, at first,
I go and I wouldn't say anything back, But finally
I was asked that so many times, why don't you
smile and soften up when you're on TV? If somebody
could smile through these facts, I don't hear anything they
have to say. Because they're a big fake. How can
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you smile when you're recounting something like this, I don't
get it. You've had to be on TV many, many
times telling horrific stories. I've never seen you actually grimace,
but you certainly don't deliver it with a smile. I mean,
I wouldn't trusting any mind that could smile through this.
Absolutely not. I know. I mean honestly, Nancy, there husband
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sometimes that I actually cried on the air. But I
don't know how people can't smile for crying. Yeah, I know, yeah,
you know, I mean it's it is hard sometimes I
have to say, though, And you know, with news transitioning
from one story to the next and changing you know,
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your facial expression, so that can be difficult the time.
But just I'm sitting here with goosebumps and in shock,
trying to absorb everything with what these poor kids had
gone through. Time Stories with Nancy Grace, Serena Fazio, Scott,
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Doctor block Key, Jason Camper, everybody jump in. Please, there's
no formality here. I'm not a drinker or a gambler,
but I'll tell you after this case, I swear I
could use a drink and I mean a big drink,
and I don't even know what I would order, Doctor
Alan Blockett. I think that's why lawyers have such a
high rate of alcohol, isn't drug dependency and suicide because
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we see the horrificness of this case is just mind boggling,
and I think we're all reflecting that in the comments
that we're making. Our our visceral reaction to it is
so extreme because it's such an extreme case, and to
it is normal. What, Serena, what I was going to say?
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You know this qu fifteen year old, right, we all
depend on our moms to protect us. So here he
is living in these conditions, waiting and waiting and waiting,
hoping his mother would come to his defense, and instead,
here he is, at only fifteen, taking care of his
two little brothers, and his mother never ever ever came forward.
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I mean, that's pathetic. Guys. Take a listen to Eric
cut one day. This is zach Tartari khou eleven. According
to the Harris County Sheriff's Office, the mother of the
boys and her boyfriend were brought in for questioning but released.
Child Protective Services send us this statement that says, in part,
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the agency is seeking emergency custody of the three boys. Oh,
he wouldn't talk about his parents. Erica says she didn't
want to push the boy too hard with questions, hoping
he would open up to her, because I did not
want him not to come to me for food. If
you're that hungry, I want him to keep coming through.
At least I know he was eating. The neighbors cared
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more about this fifteen year old than the mother, and
I don't hear about anybody feeding the other children, the
ten year old and the seven year old. I wonder
if the fifteen year old would take the food back
to them. Did I just hear that straight? Would you
play the beginning of that one more time? Please? Uh, Tyler,
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please play the beginning of one B one more time.
According to the Harris County Sheriff's Office, the mother of
the boys and her boyfriend were brought in for questioning.
But release. Okay, there, right there, right there, you're released. Released.
Oh my god, oh my god, oh my god. Okay.
First of all, we don't say OMG on crime stories, sorry,
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but that is released. What how did those two get
out of jail? Serena help me? Well, definitely said at
the beginning that they didn't have enough evidence to keep
them Nancy, Oh, other than the eyewitnesses that saw the
boyfriend beat the child dead. Oh, and listen to this.
Listen to this, doctor Alan Blockkey. Hold on, I've I've
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got to quote it verbatim. The little boy witness said
he watched his little eight year old brother, Kendrick Lee,
stop blinking during the assault, the kicking assault where he
was kicked in the stomach, the back, the rear end,
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and the genitals, the boyfriend, the stepfather, And he watched
as his little brother quit blinking. And I don't know
why it came to mind, doctor Blockkey. My daughter at night,
she goes good night, and she closes her eyes like
a little princess. She looks like a sleeping beauty. She
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just lies there all night and doesn't move, just perfectly
with their little face, perfectly composed. My son kicks like
a wild animal. But I've watched him fall asleep and
he looks and he looks soften to the distance. The
lights might be off, and then he closes his eyes
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and he's asleep. That's how he falls asleep. And I'll
never forget either of them, the way they fall asleep
as babies, as children, And now you got this brother
saying I was watching my little brother, I was watching
Kendricks and I saw his eyes stop blinking while my
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stepfather was kicking him dead. What more information did they
need to hear? I mean, I didn't help us in yeah,
Jason Campo, What more information did they need? The only
thing I can think of it at this point with
that is sometimes they wait until interviewers for the children
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can come in and do it in a more sterile setting,
and the police don't just instantly go right to the
children and start questioning them and asking them. So the
only thing I can think of is maybe they hadn't
done those interviews yet with the children when they had
the parents in there the first time, and that's why
they let them go the first time, until they actually
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got to talk to the children. Mother and boyfriend charged
in boy's death and siblings abandonment in upscale Houston apartment
released released Serena Bazon. Why in the world would they
let them out? You know, I mean, honestly, what was
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just said did make sense. Perhaps they did not have
a chance to talk to the children first, and investigators
before and arrest they do want to make sure that
they have a case. But I'm still stunned with this one, Nancy,
that they were actually released. I mean, don't understand it either.
I don't understand why they would be released the first time.
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They're on a razor's edge with these other children, because
this other child has been murdered, all right, what's to
say that these other two kids would not also fall
to the same fate because they're they're essentially witnesses. They've
been ongoing witnesses for over a year to what's going
on with this body, and to eliminate them would just
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you know, bolster any kind of case that the perpetrator
might have to prove their innocence or to thwart the
prosecutors from from further prosecuting them. You know, I can't believe.
I'm stunned. I get sick to my stomach, particularly when
when child family are involved, of child Family Services are involved. Yeah,
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speaking as CPS, how come nobody noticed when the eight
year old was no longer in school? And why cples
go visit the home? Who's that that, you, Serena? Yeah,
that's a very interesting point, because you know what came
up was there was an issue with truancy. Right, but
because of this whole unprecedented time with COVID, even that
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department said, even though that department said that many cases
fell through the cracks and investing, when people say admitted
to that, that is all. That's a technical legal term.
Another one, Jason Campo, that means somebody didn't do their job.
It just slipped through the cracks. B s. You threw
it through the cracks. You neglected to do your job.
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That's what face masks. That's what these are for, so
you can get out there and do your job. That's
absolutely right. You know, there is no excuse for that.
And I don't know what happened there in the breakdown
of that, but somebody also needs to look into that too. Guys,
take a listen to our friend and cut three and
Alaya ruiz Kho. You listen the Medical Examiner's office releasing
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the cause of death for that nine year old little boy,
ruling his death homicidal violence with multiple blunt force injuries.
The boy has not been identified at this time. We've
also learned the boys attended a lefist. The school district
says the last time they were in school was in
May of twenty twenty. They never went back to school
after that. The school district says they made several attempts
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to contact a mother, even visited the apartment back in
September of twenty twenty, but they were not able to
reach anyone. The school district says the mother had two
truancy cases for two of the boys. One case was
for twenty nineteen and the second was for twenty twenty,
but the cases were not prosecuted by the Harris County
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DA's office during the pandemic. So everybody's blaming the pandemic,
all right, and we'll wait. You know how I feel
about politics, and I don't want to drag that into
the murder of a little eight year old boy. But
correct me if I'm wrong, anybody on the panel, anybody
in the studio. I know you can't wait to correct me.
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Are there are no more mandates? I know they're not
in Florida? What about in Texas? Do you have to
wear a mask? Do you have to get the vaccine?
So they're blaming the pandemic, but they're they're not worried
about wearing a mask or vaccine. What's the story on that?
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How can you blame the pandemic. If you're not worried
about it, anybody feel free to jump in. Jason Campo,
You're in Texas. What's happening? So the mask mandate, there
is not a statewide one right now. Some school districts
individually are trying to still enforce them, but there is
nothing that is statewide right now that is mandated for
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schools to be open or in any instance like that. Wait,
there's no mandate for schools to be open. There's no
mandate that they have to wear masks. The CPS is
still hiding behind the pandemic. That's why they didn't do
their job, is that what they're saying. Very hard to
believe that these children were not on CPS's radar prior
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to these events. There was merely a truancy issue. This
is ongoing abuse that was going on for a protracted
period of time. Nancy, the fact that they would actually
have the audacity to talk about the COVID epidemic relative
to this is absolutely intellectually insulting. Said it so much
better than I did. Just got more trial that the
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time stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, take a listen to
our cut eight this is Sergeant Dennis Walford. Listen, nine
year old does have an injury to the jaw that
we can believe was close to his jaw by the
boyfriend Brian Coulter several weeks ago. There was no medical
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attention given for that injury. Um that that injury is
going to cause or is he's gonna have to have
surgery and that surgery will happen soon. Um. They were
very thin. Uh. You know. One of the first things
I asked them what they are they hug and they
said they were And first thing I don't know is
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because we're cops, are what? But they wanted donuts, so
we immediately went and got them Shipley's Donuts. But there's
the physical injury that was evident to the nine year old.
You know that that's the only real over a sign
of trauma to them as far as far as physical.
Let me go to an expert in Texas Donuts is
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Jason Campo joining US Chief Prosecutor out of Cameron County.
Jason is what a ship please like Krispy Kreme is
to Georgia, Shipley is to Texas? What a ship please Dinuts?
It is? Ship Leaves is a is more like a
Dunkin Donuts here, but we have Shipley's all over the
state of Texas. That's a very popular donut. I mean
it's the cakey kind. Yes, okay, yeah, I don't like that.
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I like the crispy cream kind. But I have never
refused a donut of any sort. So I need to
come and do an exploratory search of Shipley's Donuts. And
you guys out there, and Dodor Blokey, you may be
able to help me. Jason, Joe Scott Serena. You may
wonder why that lieutenant, excuse me, Sergeant Dennis Wofford laughed
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about the boys wanting Shipley's donuts. You know why, because
sometimes it is so overwhelming you can either just get
dragged down into it and never get back out, or
you can find something every once in a while to
smile about. And you know, to you Jason Campo many
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many times, many times and even to this day, truly
close friends and I at the District Attorney's office. We
don't talk about the cases because they are very upsetting
and I could be, you know, prepping for a trial.
Of course, I wouldn't eat lunch during a trial, but
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prepping for a trial, and I would have a sale
with some money and we would talk about everything but
the case, because it can take you down a dark
hole of depression and you can hardly get back out again. So,
you know, God bless Ship Pleas Donuts for that one
moment the sergeant could smile during this investigation. Did you
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experience that? I definitely we do. I think it's an
unspoken rule among profecutors that when you go to lunch
or when you sit down and have lunch together, you
talk about anything other than what you're actually working on.
The thing that made me smile when he said the
Ship pleas Donuts is that it just amazes me the
spirit of these children who have gone through this horrific,
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horrific thing that I can't even wrap my mind around either,
and they still just want a ship, please don't right, Like,
the innocence of that is just so astounding to me. Yeah,
I mean it shows you how resilient children really are.
I mean, they're going to be scarred emotionally, there's no
doubt about it that there resilience of young people is
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just so obvious. Sometimes. Yeah, I'm just thinking about the
one little brother that to this day. He talks about
seeing his brother stop blinking his eyes. That is going
to haunt him. He's going to wake up when he's
sixty years old dreaming about that moment thanks to this
a hole another I'm just really throwing the Latin phrases
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around today. Brian called her the boyfriend and Gloria Williams
the sorry mother. Speaking of upsetting, it disturbing. I don't
like it, but this is part of the case cycle
ast an hour, cut nine. This is the Harris County
Sheriff Egglin Solace. I want mentioned as well because that
was something that was very disturbing. As back to the
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different parts. We had a the dry remains, skeletal remains
that were present so clearly in our initial observations. The
body had been there for a long time, you know,
and so that was disturbing. But on top of that,
we had a serious injury to another small child that
apparently had not received to our knowledge, any kind of
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medical attention, any any pain treatment or anything like that
during the course of this. I also want to point
out as well, I mentioned a little bit that the
apartment was in a deplorable condition. We saw soiled carpet,
no furniture, no furniture at all, no bedding, no blankets,
nothing that that we could see. And it appeared to
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have what I spent, roaches and flies and just things.
It was very bad condition for anyone, especially children, to
live in. Take a listen also to our cut tian.
These are documents that we obtain from the court. Listen.
Officers arrived spoke with the fifteen year old child, who
stated that he found his younger brother, the deceased minor complainant,
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in a bedroom of the residence sometime around Thanksgiving of
last year, two thousand and twenty. He believed this defendant
would call the police, told officers that she never did so,
and that she then had moved out of the apartment,
leaving them in the residence with his deceased younger brother
(35:30):
without adult supervision. He stated that they had found his
younger brother approximately one week before Thanksgiving. He also told
officers that the co defendant, who is the boyfriend of
this defendant, would lock them in a bedroom and he
would hear them hitting his brothers while he was in
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the room with them. He stated he told this defendant
about the conduct, but she ignored him, said she would
talk with the defendant, and the fifteen year old stated
quote that never worked and in our cut thirteen, listen
to what happened to the other little boy's jaw. Law
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enforcement officers on scene observed that ten year old child
to have extensive swelling to his face and draw when
they made contact with him. On October twenty fourth, he
was transported to Texas Children's Hospital, where it was discovered
that he had blunt force trauma to the face, which
would require surgery because medical treatment was not sought or
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obtained when he was injured. During a forensic interview the
following day, he disclosed that the injury had occurred when
the codefendant struck him in the face approximately three weeks prior,
and that this defendant was aware of the injury but
did not seek or obtain medical aid for him. Serena Fazon,
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after we started rooting around and digging around in this case,
suddenly mommy and her live in have been arrested. Again.
Are they in custody and are they facing trial and
if so for what? Yes, so they are in custody,
and going back to that first question, why were they released?
I did a little bit of more research and it
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said that detectives wanted to gather more evidence, but right
now they are in custody. The boyfriend is being evaluated
go in a mental health facility, but he's facing homicide charges.
What I am concerned with, though, is the mother. Her
charges are injury to a child, biomission, and tampering with evidence.
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So Nanthy, you would know better, but I would hope
that they would upgrade those charges. I predict a grand
jury is going to hear this case. Those are the
current charges that she was arrested under. For instance, I
say Jackie is still a car. I call a cop.
He comes and arrests her for still in a car.
Then we find a dead body in the trunk. Oh,
the grand jury indict her for the murder too, Sorry, Jackie,
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come in a lot of crimes over there. But long
story short, wait till the grand jury hears all this.
I believe she will be indicted as a codefendant and
then murder of her own son, Kendrick Lee. And again,
let me throw another Latin phrase at you. Rot in hell, mommy,
and take your live in with you. We wait as
justice unfolds. Nancy Grace signing off, goodbye friend,
Host
Nancy Grace
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