July 26, 2025 • 43 mins
New assault claims against the Tate brothers. Lauren Southern, a right-wing Canadian political influencer, writes in her Substack that she met Andrew Tate on a trip to Bucharest.
At 22, Southern approached Tate with a business proposition. She says on that 2018 trip, Tate choked and assaulted her while she was intoxicated. The self-published memoir is titled “This Is Not Real Life.”
Kickboxer and media influencer Andrew Tate is charged with rape, human trafficking, and more. He's now facing three sex abuse legal battles in two countries.
Tate and his brother were taken into custody in Romania, where they live. Prosecutors say the Tates and two associates formed an organized criminal group to groom and sexually traffic women in the United States, the United Kingdom, and Romania.
The indictment names seven women who say the Tate brothers recruited them with false promises, including love and marriage, but instead took them to buildings where they intimidated them, watched over them constantly, forcing them into debt and pornography.
Joining Nancy Grace Today:
- Greg Ahlgren – International Attorney-at-Law at the US-MX Law Group, Ltd. & DRT Alliance/Diaz Reus International Law Firm
- Dr. Joni Johnston – Forensic Psychologist and Private Investigator (performs risk and threat assessments on violent offenders); Author: “Serial Killers: 101 Questions True Crime Fans Ask”
- Sheryl McCollum – Cold Case Investigative Research Institute Founder & Host of New Podcast: “Zone 7;" X: @149Zone7
- Lee Reiber – Mobile Device Forensic Expert, COO: Oxygen Forensics, Inc., Author: “Mobile Forensic Investigations: A Guide to Evidence Collection, Analysis, and Presentation”
- Dawn Schiller (Los Angeles, CA)- Training Director for the L.A. County Project at Coalition to Abolish Slavery & Trafficking (CAST), Lived Experience Expert Consultant, and Best-selling Author: “The Road Through Wonderland: Surviving John Holmes;" Also a National Speaker, Educator and Mentor; Twitter: @DawnSchiller, Instagram: DawnSchiller55, Facebook: Author Dawn Schiller
- Caitlyn Becker (Los Angeles, CA) - Senior Reporter for Dailymail.com; Twitter: @caitlynbecker
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. It's not over yet for
the allegedly.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Horrific and misogynist Tate brothers. As of tonight, a former
alt right influencer named Lauren Southern is accusing Andrew Tate
of sex assault. I wish you'll luck. I wish you luck,
Lauren Southern, because you're not the first to allege it.
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Yet somehow, miraculously they're still walking free. I'm Nancy Grace.
This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.
A former YouTuber Lauren Southern accused the quote Manisphere influencer
and alleged rapist Andrew Tate of sex assault. She's written
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a memoir called This Is Not and in it, she
says Tate assaulted her after they met when she was
just twenty two years old. Now she's released several chapters
of her book and it's on substack, and she says
she released them because they quote were not written with
the intention of profiting off the incident. Now, in the
(01:19):
excerpts from her memoir, she describes traveling to Romania with
the British white supremacist oh Tommy Robinson to pitch Tate
and his hinch person brother Tristan to invest in their
right wing media startup. Now, at first, she says, she
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and Andrew Tate went out to dinner and he was
flirtatious and charming her words, not mine, because he looks
like the devil to me. I don't know how anybody
could think he was flirtatious and charming. But that said,
that's just me. Then she says things started to sing
quote off. Now, listen, I've written it in books. I've
(02:06):
had experts tell you a million times when something seems off,
get the h E, double l out leave. She said,
things seemed off. Now, these are allegations made in a memoir.
These have not been proven in a court of law.
So Tate again is innocent until proven guilty. I don't
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know why they let them back in the country. That's
what I don't know. That said on with Southern, she says.
The Tates, that's both of them, invited her back to
their compound.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Red Flag, Red Flag.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Don't go in a compound, okay, don't. It's bad enough
to go to the guy's apartment, which last I compound
with fences and locks, no, to discuss the possible investment.
But instead they go to a nightclub, where after one
cocktail and a shot, she threw up ding ding ding.
(03:07):
You've had something slipped in your drink. But of course,
how should she know that, she says, and dreue Te
then picked her up, as in physically picked her up,
put her in a car, and took her back to
her own hotel room, where he kissed her and she
told him she wanted to go to sleep. She writes,
(03:27):
I was extraordinarily tired. He wanted to go further. I
guess that means sexually. I said no multiple times and
tried to pull his hands off me.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
She says.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
She attempted to fight back, he put his arm around
her neck and strangled her unconscious. She got enough consciousness
back to pull out his arms. He strangled her again.
She then says, quote, I prefer not to share the rest.
It's pretty obvious. What more do we know about the
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infamous Tate brothers and when, if ever, will they be stopped?
The online influencer Andrew Tate, with literally millions of followers
Go Figure, was detained and handed an arrest warrant issued
by the British government. Tate thirty seven and creepy brother
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Tristan Tate detained. They were detained on claims of sex aggression,
that's what they call it in the UK, in a
case dating all the way back to two thousand and fifteen.
Now a Romanian court where the two were hiding out
has to make a quote pivotal decision whether they're going
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to execute the warrants issued by the UK Westminster Magistrates Court.
They darn well better if they want to keep relations
up with the UK. Four women reported Tate. Four women,
not one, not two, not three, but four report Tate
to authorities for sex violence and physical abuse. For some reason,
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the crown decided not to prosecute him. These victims had
to turned to crowd funding to cover their legal costs.
The four female victims handed over their evidence about the
horrific acts of violence they say they endured and just waited,
(05:31):
But time passes and they were told the UK authorities
would not prosecute them. Now, don't forget Tit is charged
in a separate case with rape, human trafficking and forming
a criminal gang to sexually exploit women. Why does this
guy have millions of men followers?
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Freaks? How did the whole thing begin?
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Possibly the most misogynistic person I have ever encountered discussing
tactics on how to lure sex trafficking victims. These texts, messages,
and more have now been leaked, and it's all spewing
(06:20):
from the empire built by Andrew Tate, a sex trafficker
according to ELI law enforcement.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
First of all, take a listen to this.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Most people know Andrew Tate for his online content, which
has been called misogynistic, but what most people don't know
is that he also runs this secret of all male society,
the Warm, which he says is a kind of self
help society that helps you become better man. It costs
six pounds a year to join. What we uncovered is
that actually within the Warum, they're actually teaching men methods
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for grooming women into online sex work. And we've identified
from the leaked mesas as you referred to, at least
forty five potential victims of this crewing method.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
Breaking news, disgraced influencer Andrew Tait has been indicted and
will face charges of rape, human trafficking, and forming a
criminal gang to sexually exploit women. According to officials, three
others will also be charged in connection to human trafficking,
including Andrew's brother Tristan, A spokesperson for the Tate brothers,
confirm their indictment to NBC News. Both brothers deny all allegations.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
The two were.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
Amanded into custody back in December, before being released under
house arrest in March.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
I can't stop someone from being misogynistic, that's within them.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
But I tell you this much, we can stop six trafficking.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Now. What's so amazing is he's not trafficking women in secret.
They're not in the back of massage parlors and nail
salons with their papers stolen from them unless they have
sex with strays and then they're making the money.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
This is not some thirteen or fourteen year old girl.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
That has been stolen and she's being hidden in some
secret apartment somewhere in La far far away from home,
being beaten in drug This is right in our face.
This is happening right online. I really don't even know
where to start taking a star friends.
Speaker 5 (08:23):
At BBC Prosecutors have filed formal charges against the controversial
influencer Andrew Tate, his brother Tristan, and two associates. The
charges include rape, human trafficking and forming an organized crime group,
as well as illegally accessing a computer system and violence
against one of the alleged victims. The indictment taught says
that at the beginning of twenty twenty one, the four
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defendants formed an organized criminal group to commit human trafficking
in the United States and Britain.
Speaker 6 (08:50):
We know there are seven alleged victims who are apparently
allegedly recruited by false promises of love and marriage by
the two Tape brothers.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Love and marriage, my rear end, that is not what
this is.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
This is not about love and marriage.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
You were hearing from our friends at BBC as well
as NBC.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
This is not about love and marriage at all. Guys.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Before I go to senior investigative reporter for dailymail dot Com,
Caitlin Becker joining us, I will you to hear our
cut fifteen from The Dangerous Rise of Andrew t BBC.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Listen.
Speaker 7 (09:31):
In the leaked messages that we got access to, were
able to see that up to forty five women were
recruited into working on webcam, potentially groomed using this method
without their knowledge. We saw specific examples of men grooming
specific women and in the documentary we spoke to two
of those women, one in Buenos Ayre's Argentina and one
on the west coast of the US, who both alleged
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that they personally were groomed by senior members of Andrew
Tate's warreom.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
That's not all.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Take a listen, how are cut tin, Lucy Williamson BBC.
Speaker 6 (10:01):
The prosecution also says that women were forced by the
defendants to make pornographic content online, and alleges that some
women did not control the money they made and were
fined for crying on camera or for not working hard enough.
As spokeswomen for the Tate brothers said that they vehemently
denied the serious allegations against them.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Joining me in ostar panel to make sense of what
we know right now. Straight out to senior investigative reporter
for the Dailymail dot Com, Caitlin Becker. Caitlin, thank you
for being with us. Forty five known alleged victims. There
are actually victims in multiple countries. That's not unusual. Do
you remember the initial search for Natalie Holloway.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
We were USD.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Not only AUS, but many other journalists and law enforcement
were looking at the islands nearest to Aruba, including the
Netherland Antilles, thinking she had been remo moved from the
island for sex trafficking. That is a part of sex trafficking.
You remove the victim from their home, from their money,
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from their cell phone, from their driver's license, their ID,
and they're stuck with you and nowhere to go, and
they're being beaten and drugged and they're taken away.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
From their home.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
The fact that this conspiracy to sex traffic is in
many countries, it's hard for some people to believe, but
this is the way sex trafficking works.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
Who is Andrew Tate, Caitlin Well, Nancy.
Speaker 8 (11:37):
It's the way sex trafficking work. But it's also the
way the Internet works. And Andrew Tate's claim to fame
is on the Internet. I mean he had a short
lived stint on British Big Brother, but really he became
known in online circles for being kind of a king
of misogyny and teaching men how to be men, which
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involved subjugating and harassing women. He had very popular online courses.
He had one that called something Hustlers, and that was
more of his public one, and then this war room
that you've been hearing about was his private one. But
he also had very popular social media account where he
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propagated this type of bullying and misogyny and as you heard,
essentially allegedly grooming, and he garnered thousands and thousands and
thousands of followers. And for war Room particularly, you had
to pay the equivalent of what is about eight thousand
dollars to join, So he's then profiting off of this
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and frowing like minded men to listen to the types
of sort of vile information that he's viewing. So the
conspiracy goes far and wide. Do not only have Andrew
and Tristan Kate, the brothers who were at ahead of this,
that's sort of ahead of the stink, but you also
have all of those war Room members. You can imagine
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how far this can go. I mean, we have alleged victims.
There are seven in the indictment, and they are from
all over the world, several in Europe, at least one
in the United States. All of their identities are being protected.
We are also hearing potentially forty five others from these
leaked telegram messages that the BBC obtained. But Nancy, those
(13:24):
messages are only for one year, so you have to
imagine in one year, If there's forty five potential victims,
I can't even fathom how many that could be.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace, now another woman, and the
long one of women climbing that Andrew Tate and or
his brother have sex assaulted them. But this happens in Romania.
There's not a lot we can do about it here.
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But what more do we know about the take brothers,
and what if anything can be done here in the US.
This perv Andrew Tate has nearly nine million followers on
the social media platform x also known as Twitter. He
repeatedly claims prosecutors have no evidence against him and that
(14:23):
there is a conspiracy to quote silence him. Okay, when
you start talking about conspiracies, you'll lose me. Remember everybody
said the LAPD had a conspiracy against Oj Simptom to
frame him for double murder. Bs Like you think one
of those cops would take a million dollars for a
tell all book about the so called conspiracy to frame
(14:45):
OJ Simpson. Yeah, it's my understanding. In my experience, it's
too difficult for people to keep the pie hole shut
in a conspiracy. Even social media is shunning him. He's
been banned from multiple social media platforms for misogynistic woman
hating views and hate speech. What more do we know
(15:08):
about Andrew Tate and its freaky brother I know this.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
They're rolling in money.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Romanian authorities sees fifteen luxury cars, fourteen designer watches, and
cash in several currencies. That's weird, worth around four million dollars.
These two women haters and alleged sex traffickers are making
a mint online. Look this isn't just a single instance.
(15:39):
Over three hundred million dollars US dollars was seized. That
is the tip of the iceberg with how many people
this guy is controlling and how many women are being
subjected to sex trafficking, forced perography, being raped, being beaten.
(16:04):
In his chats, screenshots purported messages from the Quote war Room,
Tate describes women as quote targets and assets and explains
how to isolate and manipulate women. In one message, this
woman hater describes how he isolated one woman until she
(16:27):
quote lost her support networks at home and he kept
her in his compound quote and.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
This takes tastes like a dirt sandwich to me.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
The real goal is for her to agree to never
go anywhere without me, not even her hometown. I need
her working. This is from his screenshots. He appears to
seek help from his associates to force one woman to
post sexually explicit content on only fans. He tells his
(16:59):
fall or he'll be making the play tonight since she
moved to his compound. She's been said, but nothing else.
These are his words. She's broke, she can't go home,
she can't leave the house. Man, I sound almost evil, guys,
this is such a huge operation taking Listen at our
(17:22):
cut too, Lucy Williamson.
Speaker 6 (17:24):
The charge of human trafficking is an umbrella charge, and
within that there are several counts against each of the
four defendants. We're also getting some information from the organized
crime unit about the assets that have been seized properties, cars,
luxury watches, but also more than three hundred million US
dollars in cryptocurrency. And we're told that there are separate
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charges that are still under investigation that may be the
subject of a separate indictment in the future.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Think about it.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
How many times have I told a jury don't turn away.
Think about what's happening around you. Think about these facts.
Young women being forced into sex rate.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Think about it.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Do you have a daughter, a mother, a sister, Think
about her being forced into sex, isolated from her family
to the tin of this guy making at least three
hundred million dollars.
Speaker 9 (18:27):
Nancy Man, I hear someone jumping in. Who is it, Nancy?
This is Don Shiller.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Hi, guys, this is Don Schiller and joining us, training
director for the La County Project with Coalition to Abolish
Slavery and Trafficking. She's the best selling author of the
Road through Wonderland, Surviving John Holmes.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Dawn, please jump.
Speaker 9 (18:48):
In, go ahead, thank you, thank you. I also call
myself a lived experience expert in and that's what we do.
We go out and teach and train around human trafficking.
So when I hear the word grooming a lot, what
it is really applies to is the recruitment. Grooming is
recruitment under the umbrella of what is human trafficking. I'm
luring somebody in on their vulnerabilities based off of means
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for love and attention, whatever that is, because they didn't
have it at home. It's really a classic form of
recruitment into where the victim is then now kept in
by force, fraud, and coercion and coersion is all types
of things. The fraud is this promise of love that
never turns into Love's always like having to force you
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into doing something.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Guys, I'm looking online at Andrew Take's leaked text. Wait
a minute, this is about maximum difficulty you experience in
the business.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
If we all.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Agree on that, I'll give you a play by play
of what I try. I do this for every girl
I get to work. If you guys see the value,
you guys can use your bottom bit to do whatever
g is doing. You are never going back to your hometown,
even to visit without me. You understand that is part
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of his technique. These are his words, not mine.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
It goes on and on and on. Wonderfitter.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
It's used of raping one woman twice, using intimidation, constant
surveillance and claims. In the Victims of War in Debt
take a List at Our Cut eight from BBC.
Speaker 6 (20:27):
Prosecutors outlined the testimony and the evidence against Andrew Taate.
It includes transcriptions of text and audio messages which appear
to show how the alleged trafficking operation was managed and
the apparent coercion, control and abuse of women by mister
Tate and his co defendants. In one transcribed exchange, Andrew
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Tate appears to coerce an alleged victim into group sex
using abusive language. His brother Tristan is also quoted in
prosecution transcripts allegedly talking about slaving women for ten to
twelve hours a day.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Slaving women from ten to twelve hours a day, okay
to doctor Joni Johnston, forensic psychologist and private investigator, author
of Serial Killers. One hundred and one question true crime
fans ask doctor Joni, thank you for being with us.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Explain what's happening here?
Speaker 10 (21:23):
Well, you know, I think the scale or the potential
scale of what is going on is mind boggling. But
the actual techniques that we're hearing about, I mean, how
many times do we heard these Nancy, you know, just
isolating people from their loved ones, from people they care about,
the abuse, the coercion. I mean, it's we've heard this
in a million different ways. It's the way to isolate
(21:47):
and control your victims, and it's you know, it's something
we've heard over and over again.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
Guys, you think this hasn't happened before, It's happened so
many times. Before sex cults, and it's always women and
children who are subjugated, who are raped, who are sodomized,
who are forced into pimping out for other guys. Take
a listen to our cut nineteen. We're talking about Nexium.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Listen.
Speaker 11 (22:13):
Alison Mack is due in court facing sex trafficking charges
after being accused of involvement in helping to recruit women
as alleged sex slaves for a secret sorority within an
organization called Nexium, based out of Albany, New York. Mac
gave a testimonial for the group.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
When I first came, I had on the surface something
that seems to be like the perfect life for a
pretty good life.
Speaker 11 (22:33):
Keith Rinieri, the leader of Nexium, is facing charges including
sex trafficking and forced labor conspiracy related to that secret sorority.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Cheryl McCollum joining me, Founder and director of the Cold
Case Research Institute. You can find for at coldcasecrimes dot org. Cheryl,
thank you for being with us. Nexium is a US
based sex cult where people were actually allowed being brand
and beaten right here under our nose, including celebrities. The
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only thing different here with Andrew Tate is he's rubbing
our face in it. It's right here on the internet.
He's going out to the most expensive restaurant he can
and videoing his celebration after getting to walk free on this.
Speaker 12 (23:24):
Nancy, I think some terminology here is going to be important.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Terminology, Lyria end, How is terminology going to put this
guy behind bars?
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Terminology? What does that.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Matter to me?
Speaker 12 (23:36):
Because they need to understand who he is. They keep
using words like grene.
Speaker 9 (23:40):
Who's they today?
Speaker 12 (23:41):
On the show, people have said grooming That implies over time.
Listen to me very carefully. There are three types of pimp.
There's the ceo pimp, there's the robeo pimp, and there's
the gorilla pimp. The CEO pimp is all about money.
He only cares about money. She's an object. He's going
to make money. He owns her. Romeo pimp may tell her, hey,
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you're my wife, you're my woman, put his name on
her neck, tattoo her as property, but she believes they're together.
Then you've got the gorilla pimp. He's gonna bust you
in your face, shoot you up with heroin, and you
are a sick slave in fifteen minutes. And here's the thing.
The gentleman that is doing all of this. He can
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go from a Ceo pimp to a gorilla pimp, or
a Romeo pimp to a gorilla pimp. And that's what
you're seeing here. He promised them love and marriage and
the next thing they know, they're beaten, laying on the
cement floor, working eight hours a day with no brain.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
And when you say working eight hours a day, what
you mean is enduring rape after rape after rape after
rape after rape, and the pimp gets the money.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Does the arrest of Andrew Tait and his creepy.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Brother spell the end of the so called man o sphere,
you know, like hemisphere but mansphere the controversial that's one
way to put it. Influencer Andrew Tate reportedly will be
extradited to the UK this after a grainy footage from
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police shows a man dubbed the quote King of Toxic
Masculinity being arrested.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
In the dead of the night along with his.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Creepy brother and hauled into a Bucharist court in handcuffs.
Within hours, a judge approves the extradition of Andrew and
Tristan Tate to the UK, where they now face charges
of sex aggression in a case that dates back to
two thousand and fifteen, but the judge says the Tate
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brothers won't actually be sent to the UK until they
face trial in Romania on separate charges of human trafficking,
rape and forming a criminal group to exploit women. Tate,
now thirty seven, describes himself as a misogynist. He's a
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British American social media influencer, a former professional kickboxer, and
has around nine million followers on x formerly Twitter. Of course,
many of them are just schoolboys.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Hello. Multiple women in multiple countries accuse him of rape,
sex assault and trafficking, and I'm bragging about the crimes
on social media.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Where's the US and all of this? You want to
tell me he has not exploited women from the US.
But let's go back to the beginning. To you, Caitlin Becker,
Senior investigator reporter dalimil dot com. Could you please explain
Obviously I'm not doing a good job and I accept
that you can do much better than me, explaining what
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kind of hate and witchall Andrew Tait spews?
Speaker 1 (27:03):
What does he say?
Speaker 8 (27:05):
Well, first and foremost fancy just to sort of put
the pimp question to bed. He sorry for the really
poorly timed pun there too. He himself at a course
called PhD in the war room. This is where the
conversations that you were reading came from. And PhD stands
for pimpin hose degree. So he was doing this very
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much in plain sight.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
You know what, you are so polite? I am not
PhD pimpin' hoose degree. That's what he calls women, ladies, whores,
pimping whores degree.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Now, if he were just those were just words.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
I can't proscue some money for words unless they're terroristic threats.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
But these aren't just words.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
Where do you think he's getting three hundred million dollars plus?
More women are being raped and subjugated and trafficked because
of Andrew Take's cult like members that he creates.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Go ahead, please Titlin Becker. Well.
Speaker 8 (28:17):
On top of that, Nancy, with the money, he essentially
ran a pyramid scheme with his hustlers University. That was
his more public platform. It was fifty bucks a month
and they he essentially gave people advice on how to
be a better man and how to get wealthy, and
how to control women. And then he would have those
members go and recruit other members. So he's running this
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sort of pyramid scheme on one side that I think
at one point had something like over one hundred thousand subscribers,
in addition to this other war room, which was certainly
more nefarious, and we know from those leaked text messages
that they spoke about women in just the most degrading terms,
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and they spoke about actions with women, about how they
wanted to basically enslave them, how they wanted them to
not have any control, like you said, very cult like,
very much cult like, not to have any control over
their finances, not be able to control what they did,
what they wore, what they eat, who they saw, and
also separate them from their families. So those are sort
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of the actionable things that he's accused of doing. But
what it comes down to is he had a lot
of these women allegedly performing online on something like OnlyFans,
which is another subscription based service, and different kinds of
pornography sites which are other subscription based services. So he
would allegedly get the money in from that while forcing
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these women for ten twelve hours a day to perform
these sex acts against their will. And these can be
done anywhere because everything is online.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
Cheryl McCollum, I need you right now to help me explain.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Then I'm going to go to our other all star guests.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
First of all, a renowned international attorney is joining us,
Algrin and Lee Reaber, incredible detect forensic detective.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Cheryl. I'm not making it clear. I don't think I
need you to help me.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
I cannot expect everyone in this room or everyone listening
right now to understand the outrage that I'm feeling. I
think you have to go, and you have to either
be a sex assault victim yourself, which guess what you'd
be really surprised about the people you know that are
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sex assault victims that have never mentioned it.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
You'd be very.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
Surprised unless you are a sex assault victim, or have
worked with sex assault victims, or you have gone and
you have seen for yourself the lives of these women
in the back of the nel salon, in the back
of the massage parlors, in the apartments is where they
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are beaten and drugged and raped by multiple men a day,
and their lives are torn apart.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
And they are never the same.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
The beatings, the humiliations these women, these girls just go numb.
And while I often say yeah, you can go on,
you can go forward in their life, yeah you can,
but they are forever wounded. Their psyche is forever messed up.
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Help me, Cheryl, I can't describe the stench, the smell,
the anguish, the numbness that these women are living through
right now. While we're talking about which word to use,
they're being raped and sodomized and beaten right now.
Speaker 12 (31:50):
Cheryl Anthey, I think you're doing a beautiful job that
I know for us on the street level and law enforcement,
it is so difficult when you find a location, you
kick that door in, and you see somebody that's about
twelve years old, and they're scared to death to come
to you. They're scared to death to talk. They will
not give the person's name up, they will not tell
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what's been happening. They don't want to be reunited with
their families. Everything in their life is upside down. And
when you're talking about trying to help somebody and you know,
bring them back home and get them to a place
where they can maybe even go back to school, it's
almost impossible.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
Now, Cheryl, hold on, I want to talk about grown women. Okay,
and yes, everything you just said was right. But these women,
it's like the ladies that I work with at the
Batter Women's Center. They're so beaten and beaten down and
drugged and it's horrible.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
I mean, think.
Speaker 12 (32:51):
About it, it's not much different for us. Since she's
twenty one or thirty five, everything has been slipped for her.
Paranoia is real, the drugs they were given them is real.
The beatings are real. So you are so afraid to
go against that person. It doesn't matter what somebody in
law enforcement says, what somebody in your family says.
Speaker 13 (33:12):
You believe this person that's.
Speaker 12 (33:15):
Been beaten you, there's been drugging you, it's been sexually
assaulting you, is still in control of you, even if
they've been taken to JAM.
Speaker 9 (33:22):
This is Don Schilder Again. I don't think I am
a survivor of all of that. That is exactly what
I went through. I went through that with John Holmes.
I went through that with almost six years of being hidden,
being beaten, being addicted to drugs, being forced into prostitution,
being forced into crime. I did all of that. I
know that trauma is a life sentence. So I feel
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you and I hear you on that on a big level,
on a big level, and I do care about these
women and I understand what they're going through. What he's doing,
I agree with you one hundred percent is absolutely egregious.
That he's just throwing it in people's faces is even
more insulting to survivors. I'm the victims are still out there,
scared to death.
Speaker 13 (34:01):
To speak up.
Speaker 9 (34:02):
You don't know you're a victim when you are coming
out of that. You've been brainwashed into believe in that
you did it to yourself, that you consented to all
of that. That's part of the tactic that the youth.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Back to the former YouTuber Southern. She describes years later
when she read an article about other alleged assaults by
Tate and says they were the same as what happened
to her. She also says the sex assault was the
driving force when she decided to leave politics. Now. The
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two brothers have been accused of many many crimes in
Romania and they will face criminal charges in the UK,
including human trafficking and rape you. Tate is accused of
pointing a gun at a woman's face and sex assaulting
an ex girlfriend. What more do we know about the
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Tate brothers. Greg Algrin is joining us as well as
Lee Reeber, Greg high profile international lawyer with the US
dash INMX Law group. Listen to this more of the
messages in the misogynistic hate spewed by this alleged sex trafficker.
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This is in his wor room instructs members to quote
punish victims that would be women for transgressions by having
her get our name tattooed on her. One group leader,
called a general, describes how he hit a woman in
the head with her own keyboard when she complained about something.
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The woman who worked for him then went in the
room and worked seven hours without a break. It goes
on and on and on about how to beat and
control women to perform pornographic acts. Group sex, many online,
many on screen.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
Greg Algrin is joining us. Greg.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
A lot of what I know from these alleged messages
of Andrew Tates I can't bring myself to repeat on
the air.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
But let me ask you, what can the US do
about it?
Speaker 2 (36:33):
Because there are so many victims here I believe, including
one victim whose name has somehow been linked and all
these a holes working for Tait or working under Tait
have actually started trolling her and sending this woman death threats.
I mean, what are we going to do about it?
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And what can we do about it?
Speaker 13 (36:56):
Sure, so the situation, it's so outrageous that it cries
out for legal accountability, and I think, you know, eventually
it has to catch up with all of them in
a permanent right, because Andrew Tate is a citizen by
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birth of the United States, and so he can flee
the country, but he can't. He can't lose that citizenship.
And that means the US, with his network of mutual
legal assistance treaties, is always going to have an interest. Perhaps,
you know, it's a question of sort of capturing the
attention of law enforcement. But the US has the means
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to catch up with it wherever he is and ensure
there's some legal accountability. So it needs to happen a
lot of times. It's very very slow, it's bureaucratic, but
it's a process that is it can be virtually impossible
to escape from once it gets started. So hopefully we'll
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see sooner rather than later that legal accountability. There's a
structure for it. It just needs to be engaged.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
I want you to hear this.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
Andrew Tate quote told rape victim he would get her pregnant,
lock her away, allegedly find webcam workers that started crying
during sex acts on webcam and tried to coerce them
into group sex, and then they started crying and so
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he punished them. This is his business that is making
five million dollars a month. One victim claims Tate tried
to force her to have group sex and said shut
up horror when she tried to object.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
There are hundreds and hundreds of.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
Pages of reported testimony and evidence really physically abusing these women.
One woman tells prosecutor's tape would rape her while holding
her head so as she couldn't move, and threaten to
get her pregnant. I mean it goes on and on
and on. He would take her clothes and shoes away
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from her and continue to beat her. Shut up horror,
You will do as I say. I mean, it goes
on and on and on, and I'm reading you only
portions of what I know. Many of these women, apparently Caitlin,
are promised love a marriage, and then they are transported,
many of them to Romania, where they are gang raped,
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sex exploited, and subjected to physical violence.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
There are hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of pages of
reported violence.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
One victim reports a take coworker, a henchman, threatens to
quote break her teeth that she would end up in
the morgue. The women creating porn for Tates Brothers webcam
business allege their income is controlled by the Tates. They
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are fined or punished if they start crying during a
sex act, if they wipe their nose, if they take
too long on a break.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
It just goes on and on and on.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
Many people ask how did Andrew and Tristan Tate get
back into the US. We know that Florida launched a
criminal investigation into the influencers. I guess you could call
them that. They spew hate for women every day online
Andrew and Tristan Tate. At the end of February, the
two fled to the US from Romania, where they were
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accused of human trafficking and accused of forming an organized
group to sex exploit women. Andrew Tate also accused of rape.
Of course, they deny all the charges. Now, the two
were dual citizens in the UK and the US, and
they have made millions of dollars off social media. Online
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they're extremely controversial with repeated offensive statements about women. They
have an American dad who worked for the US Air
Force in Britain. Their parents met in the UK and
then they moved to the US. Now that's how they're
US citizens through the dad. The parents divorced, the mom
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goes back to England. The brothers spent time there and
police there linked them to quote terrifying radicalization of boys
and young men into violence against women and girls. There
was a big red flag in Romania that they were
going to try and leave because they went quiet on
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social media. They then flew from book Rest to Florida
on a private jet back in January.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
Now why why? Why?
Speaker 2 (42:08):
The travel band had been lifted and the two got
their US passports back. Oddly. The two have a huge
US following. Many people, many many people in the crime
victim community are extremely disturbed by reports that US officials
asked for Tate's travel restrictions to be relaxed.
Speaker 1 (42:34):
Why now.
Speaker 2 (42:37):
The Florida criminal investigation is a civil lawsuit from a
woman who claims they coerced her into sex work, then
defamed her when she gave evidence to Remanian police. They
deny this again. At this juncture the two are innocent
until proven guilty. Will that ever happen. We wait as
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justice unfals. Goodbye friend
Speaker 6 (43:10):
M.
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. It's not over yet for
the allegedly.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Horrific and misogynist Tate brothers. As of tonight, a former
alt right influencer named Lauren Southern is accusing Andrew Tate
of sex assault. I wish you'll luck. I wish you luck,
Lauren Southern, because you're not the first to allege it.
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Yet somehow, miraculously they're still walking free. I'm Nancy Grace.
This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.
A former YouTuber Lauren Southern accused the quote Manisphere influencer
and alleged rapist Andrew Tate of sex assault. She's written
(00:57):
a memoir called This Is Not and in it, she
says Tate assaulted her after they met when she was
just twenty two years old. Now she's released several chapters
of her book and it's on substack, and she says
she released them because they quote were not written with
the intention of profiting off the incident. Now, in the
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excerpts from her memoir, she describes traveling to Romania with
the British white supremacist oh Tommy Robinson to pitch Tate
and his hinch person brother Tristan to invest in their
right wing media startup. Now, at first, she says, she
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and Andrew Tate went out to dinner and he was
flirtatious and charming her words, not mine, because he looks
like the devil to me. I don't know how anybody
could think he was flirtatious and charming. But that said,
that's just me. Then she says things started to sing
quote off. Now, listen, I've written it in books. I've
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had experts tell you a million times when something seems off,
get the h E, double l out leave. She said,
things seemed off. Now, these are allegations made in a memoir.
These have not been proven in a court of law.
So Tate again is innocent until proven guilty. I don't
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know why they let them back in the country. That's
what I don't know. That said on with Southern, she says.
The Tates, that's both of them, invited her back to
their compound.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Red Flag, Red Flag.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Don't go in a compound, okay, don't. It's bad enough
to go to the guy's apartment, which last I compound
with fences and locks, no, to discuss the possible investment.
But instead they go to a nightclub, where after one
cocktail and a shot, she threw up ding ding ding.
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You've had something slipped in your drink. But of course,
how should she know that, she says, and dreue Te
then picked her up, as in physically picked her up,
put her in a car, and took her back to
her own hotel room, where he kissed her and she
told him she wanted to go to sleep. She writes,
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I was extraordinarily tired. He wanted to go further. I
guess that means sexually. I said no multiple times and
tried to pull his hands off me.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
She says.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
She attempted to fight back, he put his arm around
her neck and strangled her unconscious. She got enough consciousness
back to pull out his arms. He strangled her again.
She then says, quote, I prefer not to share the rest.
It's pretty obvious. What more do we know about the
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infamous Tate brothers and when, if ever, will they be stopped?
The online influencer Andrew Tate, with literally millions of followers
Go Figure, was detained and handed an arrest warrant issued
by the British government. Tate thirty seven and creepy brother
(04:24):
Tristan Tate detained. They were detained on claims of sex aggression,
that's what they call it in the UK, in a
case dating all the way back to two thousand and fifteen.
Now a Romanian court where the two were hiding out
has to make a quote pivotal decision whether they're going
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to execute the warrants issued by the UK Westminster Magistrates Court.
They darn well better if they want to keep relations
up with the UK. Four women reported Tate. Four women,
not one, not two, not three, but four report Tate
to authorities for sex violence and physical abuse. For some reason,
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the crown decided not to prosecute him. These victims had
to turned to crowd funding to cover their legal costs.
The four female victims handed over their evidence about the
horrific acts of violence they say they endured and just waited,
(05:31):
But time passes and they were told the UK authorities
would not prosecute them. Now, don't forget Tit is charged
in a separate case with rape, human trafficking and forming
a criminal gang to sexually exploit women. Why does this
guy have millions of men followers?
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Freaks? How did the whole thing begin?
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Possibly the most misogynistic person I have ever encountered discussing
tactics on how to lure sex trafficking victims. These texts, messages,
and more have now been leaked, and it's all spewing
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from the empire built by Andrew Tate, a sex trafficker
according to ELI law enforcement.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
First of all, take a listen to this.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Most people know Andrew Tate for his online content, which
has been called misogynistic, but what most people don't know
is that he also runs this secret of all male society,
the Warm, which he says is a kind of self
help society that helps you become better man. It costs
six pounds a year to join. What we uncovered is
that actually within the Warum, they're actually teaching men methods
(06:55):
for grooming women into online sex work. And we've identified
from the leaked mesas as you referred to, at least
forty five potential victims of this crewing method.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
Breaking news, disgraced influencer Andrew Tait has been indicted and
will face charges of rape, human trafficking, and forming a
criminal gang to sexually exploit women. According to officials, three
others will also be charged in connection to human trafficking,
including Andrew's brother Tristan, A spokesperson for the Tate brothers,
confirm their indictment to NBC News. Both brothers deny all allegations.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
The two were.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
Amanded into custody back in December, before being released under
house arrest in March.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
I can't stop someone from being misogynistic, that's within them.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
But I tell you this much, we can stop six trafficking.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Now. What's so amazing is he's not trafficking women in secret.
They're not in the back of massage parlors and nail
salons with their papers stolen from them unless they have
sex with strays and then they're making the money.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
This is not some thirteen or fourteen year old girl.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
That has been stolen and she's being hidden in some
secret apartment somewhere in La far far away from home,
being beaten in drug This is right in our face.
This is happening right online. I really don't even know
where to start taking a star friends.
Speaker 5 (08:23):
At BBC Prosecutors have filed formal charges against the controversial
influencer Andrew Tate, his brother Tristan, and two associates. The
charges include rape, human trafficking and forming an organized crime group,
as well as illegally accessing a computer system and violence
against one of the alleged victims. The indictment taught says
that at the beginning of twenty twenty one, the four
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defendants formed an organized criminal group to commit human trafficking
in the United States and Britain.
Speaker 6 (08:50):
We know there are seven alleged victims who are apparently
allegedly recruited by false promises of love and marriage by
the two Tape brothers.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Love and marriage, my rear end, that is not what
this is.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
This is not about love and marriage.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
You were hearing from our friends at BBC as well
as NBC.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
This is not about love and marriage at all. Guys.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Before I go to senior investigative reporter for dailymail dot Com,
Caitlin Becker joining us, I will you to hear our
cut fifteen from The Dangerous Rise of Andrew t BBC.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Listen.
Speaker 7 (09:31):
In the leaked messages that we got access to, were
able to see that up to forty five women were
recruited into working on webcam, potentially groomed using this method
without their knowledge. We saw specific examples of men grooming
specific women and in the documentary we spoke to two
of those women, one in Buenos Ayre's Argentina and one
on the west coast of the US, who both alleged
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that they personally were groomed by senior members of Andrew
Tate's warreom.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
That's not all.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Take a listen, how are cut tin, Lucy Williamson BBC.
Speaker 6 (10:01):
The prosecution also says that women were forced by the
defendants to make pornographic content online, and alleges that some
women did not control the money they made and were
fined for crying on camera or for not working hard enough.
As spokeswomen for the Tate brothers said that they vehemently
denied the serious allegations against them.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Joining me in ostar panel to make sense of what
we know right now. Straight out to senior investigative reporter
for the Dailymail dot Com, Caitlin Becker. Caitlin, thank you
for being with us. Forty five known alleged victims. There
are actually victims in multiple countries. That's not unusual. Do
you remember the initial search for Natalie Holloway.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
We were USD.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Not only AUS, but many other journalists and law enforcement
were looking at the islands nearest to Aruba, including the
Netherland Antilles, thinking she had been remo moved from the
island for sex trafficking. That is a part of sex trafficking.
You remove the victim from their home, from their money,
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from their cell phone, from their driver's license, their ID,
and they're stuck with you and nowhere to go, and
they're being beaten and drugged and they're taken away.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
From their home.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
The fact that this conspiracy to sex traffic is in
many countries, it's hard for some people to believe, but
this is the way sex trafficking works.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
Who is Andrew Tate, Caitlin Well, Nancy.
Speaker 8 (11:37):
It's the way sex trafficking work. But it's also the
way the Internet works. And Andrew Tate's claim to fame
is on the Internet. I mean he had a short
lived stint on British Big Brother, but really he became
known in online circles for being kind of a king
of misogyny and teaching men how to be men, which
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involved subjugating and harassing women. He had very popular online courses.
He had one that called something Hustlers, and that was
more of his public one, and then this war room
that you've been hearing about was his private one. But
he also had very popular social media account where he
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propagated this type of bullying and misogyny and as you heard,
essentially allegedly grooming, and he garnered thousands and thousands and
thousands of followers. And for war Room particularly, you had
to pay the equivalent of what is about eight thousand
dollars to join, So he's then profiting off of this
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and frowing like minded men to listen to the types
of sort of vile information that he's viewing. So the
conspiracy goes far and wide. Do not only have Andrew
and Tristan Kate, the brothers who were at ahead of this,
that's sort of ahead of the stink, but you also
have all of those war Room members. You can imagine
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how far this can go. I mean, we have alleged victims.
There are seven in the indictment, and they are from
all over the world, several in Europe, at least one
in the United States. All of their identities are being protected.
We are also hearing potentially forty five others from these
leaked telegram messages that the BBC obtained. But Nancy, those
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messages are only for one year, so you have to
imagine in one year, If there's forty five potential victims,
I can't even fathom how many that could be.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace, now another woman, and the
long one of women climbing that Andrew Tate and or
his brother have sex assaulted them. But this happens in Romania.
There's not a lot we can do about it here.
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But what more do we know about the take brothers,
and what if anything can be done here in the US.
This perv Andrew Tate has nearly nine million followers on
the social media platform x also known as Twitter. He
repeatedly claims prosecutors have no evidence against him and that
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there is a conspiracy to quote silence him. Okay, when
you start talking about conspiracies, you'll lose me. Remember everybody
said the LAPD had a conspiracy against Oj Simptom to
frame him for double murder. Bs Like you think one
of those cops would take a million dollars for a
tell all book about the so called conspiracy to frame
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OJ Simpson. Yeah, it's my understanding. In my experience, it's
too difficult for people to keep the pie hole shut
in a conspiracy. Even social media is shunning him. He's
been banned from multiple social media platforms for misogynistic woman
hating views and hate speech. What more do we know
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about Andrew Tate and its freaky brother I know this.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
They're rolling in money.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Romanian authorities sees fifteen luxury cars, fourteen designer watches, and
cash in several currencies. That's weird, worth around four million dollars.
These two women haters and alleged sex traffickers are making
a mint online. Look this isn't just a single instance.
(15:39):
Over three hundred million dollars US dollars was seized. That
is the tip of the iceberg with how many people
this guy is controlling and how many women are being
subjected to sex trafficking, forced perography, being raped, being beaten.
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In his chats, screenshots purported messages from the Quote war Room,
Tate describes women as quote targets and assets and explains
how to isolate and manipulate women. In one message, this
woman hater describes how he isolated one woman until she
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quote lost her support networks at home and he kept
her in his compound quote and.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
This takes tastes like a dirt sandwich to me.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
The real goal is for her to agree to never
go anywhere without me, not even her hometown. I need
her working. This is from his screenshots. He appears to
seek help from his associates to force one woman to
post sexually explicit content on only fans. He tells his
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fall or he'll be making the play tonight since she
moved to his compound. She's been said, but nothing else.
These are his words. She's broke, she can't go home,
she can't leave the house. Man, I sound almost evil, guys,
this is such a huge operation taking Listen at our
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cut too, Lucy Williamson.
Speaker 6 (17:24):
The charge of human trafficking is an umbrella charge, and
within that there are several counts against each of the
four defendants. We're also getting some information from the organized
crime unit about the assets that have been seized properties, cars,
luxury watches, but also more than three hundred million US
dollars in cryptocurrency. And we're told that there are separate
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charges that are still under investigation that may be the
subject of a separate indictment in the future.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Think about it.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
How many times have I told a jury don't turn away.
Think about what's happening around you. Think about these facts.
Young women being forced into sex rate.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Think about it.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Do you have a daughter, a mother, a sister, Think
about her being forced into sex, isolated from her family
to the tin of this guy making at least three
hundred million dollars.
Speaker 9 (18:27):
Nancy Man, I hear someone jumping in. Who is it, Nancy?
This is Don Shiller.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Hi, guys, this is Don Schiller and joining us, training
director for the La County Project with Coalition to Abolish
Slavery and Trafficking. She's the best selling author of the
Road through Wonderland, Surviving John Holmes.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Dawn, please jump.
Speaker 9 (18:48):
In, go ahead, thank you, thank you. I also call
myself a lived experience expert in and that's what we do.
We go out and teach and train around human trafficking.
So when I hear the word grooming a lot, what
it is really applies to is the recruitment. Grooming is
recruitment under the umbrella of what is human trafficking. I'm
luring somebody in on their vulnerabilities based off of means
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for love and attention, whatever that is, because they didn't
have it at home. It's really a classic form of
recruitment into where the victim is then now kept in
by force, fraud, and coercion and coersion is all types
of things. The fraud is this promise of love that
never turns into Love's always like having to force you
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into doing something.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Guys, I'm looking online at Andrew Take's leaked text. Wait
a minute, this is about maximum difficulty you experience in
the business.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
If we all.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Agree on that, I'll give you a play by play
of what I try. I do this for every girl
I get to work. If you guys see the value,
you guys can use your bottom bit to do whatever
g is doing. You are never going back to your hometown,
even to visit without me. You understand that is part
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of his technique. These are his words, not mine.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
It goes on and on and on. Wonderfitter.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
It's used of raping one woman twice, using intimidation, constant
surveillance and claims. In the Victims of War in Debt
take a List at Our Cut eight from BBC.
Speaker 6 (20:27):
Prosecutors outlined the testimony and the evidence against Andrew Taate.
It includes transcriptions of text and audio messages which appear
to show how the alleged trafficking operation was managed and
the apparent coercion, control and abuse of women by mister
Tate and his co defendants. In one transcribed exchange, Andrew
(20:47):
Tate appears to coerce an alleged victim into group sex
using abusive language. His brother Tristan is also quoted in
prosecution transcripts allegedly talking about slaving women for ten to
twelve hours a day.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Slaving women from ten to twelve hours a day, okay
to doctor Joni Johnston, forensic psychologist and private investigator, author
of Serial Killers. One hundred and one question true crime
fans ask doctor Joni, thank you for being with us.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Explain what's happening here?
Speaker 10 (21:23):
Well, you know, I think the scale or the potential
scale of what is going on is mind boggling. But
the actual techniques that we're hearing about, I mean, how
many times do we heard these Nancy, you know, just
isolating people from their loved ones, from people they care about,
the abuse, the coercion. I mean, it's we've heard this
in a million different ways. It's the way to isolate
(21:47):
and control your victims, and it's you know, it's something
we've heard over and over again.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
Guys, you think this hasn't happened before, It's happened so
many times. Before sex cults, and it's always women and
children who are subjugated, who are raped, who are sodomized,
who are forced into pimping out for other guys. Take
a listen to our cut nineteen. We're talking about Nexium.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Listen.
Speaker 11 (22:13):
Alison Mack is due in court facing sex trafficking charges
after being accused of involvement in helping to recruit women
as alleged sex slaves for a secret sorority within an
organization called Nexium, based out of Albany, New York. Mac
gave a testimonial for the group.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
When I first came, I had on the surface something
that seems to be like the perfect life for a
pretty good life.
Speaker 11 (22:33):
Keith Rinieri, the leader of Nexium, is facing charges including
sex trafficking and forced labor conspiracy related to that secret sorority.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Cheryl McCollum joining me, Founder and director of the Cold
Case Research Institute. You can find for at coldcasecrimes dot org. Cheryl,
thank you for being with us. Nexium is a US
based sex cult where people were actually allowed being brand
and beaten right here under our nose, including celebrities. The
(23:07):
only thing different here with Andrew Tate is he's rubbing
our face in it. It's right here on the internet.
He's going out to the most expensive restaurant he can
and videoing his celebration after getting to walk free on this.
Speaker 12 (23:24):
Nancy, I think some terminology here is going to be important.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Terminology, Lyria end, How is terminology going to put this
guy behind bars?
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Terminology? What does that.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Matter to me?
Speaker 12 (23:36):
Because they need to understand who he is. They keep
using words like grene.
Speaker 9 (23:40):
Who's they today?
Speaker 12 (23:41):
On the show, people have said grooming That implies over time.
Listen to me very carefully. There are three types of pimp.
There's the ceo pimp, there's the robeo pimp, and there's
the gorilla pimp. The CEO pimp is all about money.
He only cares about money. She's an object. He's going
to make money. He owns her. Romeo pimp may tell her, hey,
(24:02):
you're my wife, you're my woman, put his name on
her neck, tattoo her as property, but she believes they're together.
Then you've got the gorilla pimp. He's gonna bust you
in your face, shoot you up with heroin, and you
are a sick slave in fifteen minutes. And here's the thing.
The gentleman that is doing all of this. He can
(24:22):
go from a Ceo pimp to a gorilla pimp, or
a Romeo pimp to a gorilla pimp. And that's what
you're seeing here. He promised them love and marriage and
the next thing they know, they're beaten, laying on the
cement floor, working eight hours a day with no brain.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
And when you say working eight hours a day, what
you mean is enduring rape after rape after rape after
rape after rape, and the pimp gets the money.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Does the arrest of Andrew Tait and his creepy.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Brother spell the end of the so called man o sphere,
you know, like hemisphere but mansphere the controversial that's one
way to put it. Influencer Andrew Tate reportedly will be
extradited to the UK this after a grainy footage from
(25:17):
police shows a man dubbed the quote King of Toxic
Masculinity being arrested.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
In the dead of the night along with his.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Creepy brother and hauled into a Bucharist court in handcuffs.
Within hours, a judge approves the extradition of Andrew and
Tristan Tate to the UK, where they now face charges
of sex aggression in a case that dates back to
two thousand and fifteen, but the judge says the Tate
(25:48):
brothers won't actually be sent to the UK until they
face trial in Romania on separate charges of human trafficking,
rape and forming a criminal group to exploit women. Tate,
now thirty seven, describes himself as a misogynist. He's a
(26:09):
British American social media influencer, a former professional kickboxer, and
has around nine million followers on x formerly Twitter. Of course,
many of them are just schoolboys.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Hello. Multiple women in multiple countries accuse him of rape,
sex assault and trafficking, and I'm bragging about the crimes
on social media.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Where's the US and all of this? You want to
tell me he has not exploited women from the US.
But let's go back to the beginning. To you, Caitlin Becker,
Senior investigator reporter dalimil dot com. Could you please explain
Obviously I'm not doing a good job and I accept
that you can do much better than me, explaining what
(26:58):
kind of hate and witchall Andrew Tait spews?
Speaker 1 (27:03):
What does he say?
Speaker 8 (27:05):
Well, first and foremost fancy just to sort of put
the pimp question to bed. He sorry for the really
poorly timed pun there too. He himself at a course
called PhD in the war room. This is where the
conversations that you were reading came from. And PhD stands
for pimpin hose degree. So he was doing this very
(27:27):
much in plain sight.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
You know what, you are so polite? I am not
PhD pimpin' hoose degree. That's what he calls women, ladies, whores,
pimping whores degree.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Now, if he were just those were just words.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
I can't proscue some money for words unless they're terroristic threats.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
But these aren't just words.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
Where do you think he's getting three hundred million dollars plus?
More women are being raped and subjugated and trafficked because
of Andrew Take's cult like members that he creates.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Go ahead, please Titlin Becker. Well.
Speaker 8 (28:17):
On top of that, Nancy, with the money, he essentially
ran a pyramid scheme with his hustlers University. That was
his more public platform. It was fifty bucks a month
and they he essentially gave people advice on how to
be a better man and how to get wealthy, and
how to control women. And then he would have those
members go and recruit other members. So he's running this
(28:38):
sort of pyramid scheme on one side that I think
at one point had something like over one hundred thousand subscribers,
in addition to this other war room, which was certainly
more nefarious, and we know from those leaked text messages
that they spoke about women in just the most degrading terms,
(28:58):
and they spoke about actions with women, about how they
wanted to basically enslave them, how they wanted them to
not have any control, like you said, very cult like,
very much cult like, not to have any control over
their finances, not be able to control what they did,
what they wore, what they eat, who they saw, and
also separate them from their families. So those are sort
(29:19):
of the actionable things that he's accused of doing. But
what it comes down to is he had a lot
of these women allegedly performing online on something like OnlyFans,
which is another subscription based service, and different kinds of
pornography sites which are other subscription based services. So he
would allegedly get the money in from that while forcing
(29:41):
these women for ten twelve hours a day to perform
these sex acts against their will. And these can be
done anywhere because everything is online.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
Cheryl McCollum, I need you right now to help me explain.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Then I'm going to go to our other all star guests.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
First of all, a renowned international attorney is joining us,
Algrin and Lee Reaber, incredible detect forensic detective.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Cheryl. I'm not making it clear. I don't think I
need you to help me.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
I cannot expect everyone in this room or everyone listening
right now to understand the outrage that I'm feeling. I
think you have to go, and you have to either
be a sex assault victim yourself, which guess what you'd
be really surprised about the people you know that are
(30:34):
sex assault victims that have never mentioned it.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
You'd be very.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
Surprised unless you are a sex assault victim, or have
worked with sex assault victims, or you have gone and
you have seen for yourself the lives of these women
in the back of the nel salon, in the back
of the massage parlors, in the apartments is where they
(31:00):
are beaten and drugged and raped by multiple men a day,
and their lives are torn apart.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
And they are never the same.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
The beatings, the humiliations these women, these girls just go numb.
And while I often say yeah, you can go on,
you can go forward in their life, yeah you can,
but they are forever wounded. Their psyche is forever messed up.
(31:34):
Help me, Cheryl, I can't describe the stench, the smell,
the anguish, the numbness that these women are living through
right now. While we're talking about which word to use,
they're being raped and sodomized and beaten right now.
Speaker 12 (31:50):
Cheryl Anthey, I think you're doing a beautiful job that
I know for us on the street level and law enforcement,
it is so difficult when you find a location, you
kick that door in, and you see somebody that's about
twelve years old, and they're scared to death to come
to you. They're scared to death to talk. They will
not give the person's name up, they will not tell
(32:12):
what's been happening. They don't want to be reunited with
their families. Everything in their life is upside down. And
when you're talking about trying to help somebody and you know,
bring them back home and get them to a place
where they can maybe even go back to school, it's
almost impossible.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
Now, Cheryl, hold on, I want to talk about grown women. Okay,
and yes, everything you just said was right. But these women,
it's like the ladies that I work with at the
Batter Women's Center. They're so beaten and beaten down and
drugged and it's horrible.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
I mean, think.
Speaker 12 (32:51):
About it, it's not much different for us. Since she's
twenty one or thirty five, everything has been slipped for her.
Paranoia is real, the drugs they were given them is real.
The beatings are real. So you are so afraid to
go against that person. It doesn't matter what somebody in
law enforcement says, what somebody in your family says.
Speaker 13 (33:12):
You believe this person that's.
Speaker 12 (33:15):
Been beaten you, there's been drugging you, it's been sexually
assaulting you, is still in control of you, even if
they've been taken to JAM.
Speaker 9 (33:22):
This is Don Schilder Again. I don't think I am
a survivor of all of that. That is exactly what
I went through. I went through that with John Holmes.
I went through that with almost six years of being hidden,
being beaten, being addicted to drugs, being forced into prostitution,
being forced into crime. I did all of that. I
know that trauma is a life sentence. So I feel
(33:43):
you and I hear you on that on a big level,
on a big level, and I do care about these
women and I understand what they're going through. What he's doing,
I agree with you one hundred percent is absolutely egregious.
That he's just throwing it in people's faces is even
more insulting to survivors. I'm the victims are still out there,
scared to death.
Speaker 13 (34:01):
To speak up.
Speaker 9 (34:02):
You don't know you're a victim when you are coming
out of that. You've been brainwashed into believe in that
you did it to yourself, that you consented to all
of that. That's part of the tactic that the youth.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Back to the former YouTuber Southern. She describes years later
when she read an article about other alleged assaults by
Tate and says they were the same as what happened
to her. She also says the sex assault was the
driving force when she decided to leave politics. Now. The
(34:48):
two brothers have been accused of many many crimes in
Romania and they will face criminal charges in the UK,
including human trafficking and rape you. Tate is accused of
pointing a gun at a woman's face and sex assaulting
an ex girlfriend. What more do we know about the
(35:09):
Tate brothers. Greg Algrin is joining us as well as
Lee Reeber, Greg high profile international lawyer with the US
dash INMX Law group. Listen to this more of the
messages in the misogynistic hate spewed by this alleged sex trafficker.
(35:30):
This is in his wor room instructs members to quote
punish victims that would be women for transgressions by having
her get our name tattooed on her. One group leader,
called a general, describes how he hit a woman in
the head with her own keyboard when she complained about something.
(35:53):
The woman who worked for him then went in the
room and worked seven hours without a break. It goes
on and on and on about how to beat and
control women to perform pornographic acts. Group sex, many online,
many on screen.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
Greg Algrin is joining us. Greg.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
A lot of what I know from these alleged messages
of Andrew Tates I can't bring myself to repeat on
the air.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
But let me ask you, what can the US do
about it?
Speaker 2 (36:33):
Because there are so many victims here I believe, including
one victim whose name has somehow been linked and all
these a holes working for Tait or working under Tait
have actually started trolling her and sending this woman death threats.
I mean, what are we going to do about it?
(36:54):
And what can we do about it?
Speaker 13 (36:56):
Sure, so the situation, it's so outrageous that it cries
out for legal accountability, and I think, you know, eventually
it has to catch up with all of them in
a permanent right, because Andrew Tate is a citizen by
(37:18):
birth of the United States, and so he can flee
the country, but he can't. He can't lose that citizenship.
And that means the US, with his network of mutual
legal assistance treaties, is always going to have an interest. Perhaps,
you know, it's a question of sort of capturing the
attention of law enforcement. But the US has the means
(37:41):
to catch up with it wherever he is and ensure
there's some legal accountability. So it needs to happen a
lot of times. It's very very slow, it's bureaucratic, but
it's a process that is it can be virtually impossible
to escape from once it gets started. So hopefully we'll
(38:01):
see sooner rather than later that legal accountability. There's a
structure for it. It just needs to be engaged.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
I want you to hear this.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
Andrew Tate quote told rape victim he would get her pregnant,
lock her away, allegedly find webcam workers that started crying
during sex acts on webcam and tried to coerce them
into group sex, and then they started crying and so
(38:35):
he punished them. This is his business that is making
five million dollars a month. One victim claims Tate tried
to force her to have group sex and said shut
up horror when she tried to object.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
There are hundreds and hundreds of.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
Pages of reported testimony and evidence really physically abusing these women.
One woman tells prosecutor's tape would rape her while holding
her head so as she couldn't move, and threaten to
get her pregnant. I mean it goes on and on
and on. He would take her clothes and shoes away
(39:18):
from her and continue to beat her. Shut up horror,
You will do as I say. I mean, it goes
on and on and on, and I'm reading you only
portions of what I know. Many of these women, apparently Caitlin,
are promised love a marriage, and then they are transported,
many of them to Romania, where they are gang raped,
(39:43):
sex exploited, and subjected to physical violence.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
There are hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of pages of
reported violence.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
One victim reports a take coworker, a henchman, threatens to
quote break her teeth that she would end up in
the morgue. The women creating porn for Tates Brothers webcam
business allege their income is controlled by the Tates. They
(40:14):
are fined or punished if they start crying during a
sex act, if they wipe their nose, if they take
too long on a break.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
It just goes on and on and on.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
Many people ask how did Andrew and Tristan Tate get
back into the US. We know that Florida launched a
criminal investigation into the influencers. I guess you could call
them that. They spew hate for women every day online
Andrew and Tristan Tate. At the end of February, the
two fled to the US from Romania, where they were
(40:51):
accused of human trafficking and accused of forming an organized
group to sex exploit women. Andrew Tate also accused of rape.
Of course, they deny all the charges. Now, the two
were dual citizens in the UK and the US, and
they have made millions of dollars off social media. Online
(41:14):
they're extremely controversial with repeated offensive statements about women. They
have an American dad who worked for the US Air
Force in Britain. Their parents met in the UK and
then they moved to the US. Now that's how they're
US citizens through the dad. The parents divorced, the mom
(41:36):
goes back to England. The brothers spent time there and
police there linked them to quote terrifying radicalization of boys
and young men into violence against women and girls. There
was a big red flag in Romania that they were
going to try and leave because they went quiet on
(41:57):
social media. They then flew from book Rest to Florida
on a private jet back in January.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
Now why why? Why?
Speaker 2 (42:08):
The travel band had been lifted and the two got
their US passports back. Oddly. The two have a huge
US following. Many people, many many people in the crime
victim community are extremely disturbed by reports that US officials
asked for Tate's travel restrictions to be relaxed.
Speaker 1 (42:34):
Why now.
Speaker 2 (42:37):
The Florida criminal investigation is a civil lawsuit from a
woman who claims they coerced her into sex work, then
defamed her when she gave evidence to Remanian police. They
deny this again. At this juncture the two are innocent
until proven guilty. Will that ever happen. We wait as
(43:02):
justice unfals. Goodbye friend
Speaker 6 (43:10):
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