July 29, 2020 • 37 mins
A 3-year old Kansas girl is reported missing by her father. The investigation revealed that the girl's grandmother had made repeated calls to Child and Family Services, reporting a dangerous living situation. Days later, Olivia Jansen was found in a shallow grave, her small body covered in bruises from head to toe. She died of a brain bleed, according to investigators.
Joining Nancy Grace today:
- Elisabeth Jansen - Olivia's Grandmother who reported the abuse to DCFS
- Ashley Willcott - Judge and trial attorney, Anchor on Court TV, www.ashleywillcott.com
- Dr. Bethany Marshall - Psychoanalyst, Beverly Hills
- Joseph Scott Morgan - Professor of Forensics Jacksonville State University, Author of "Blood Beneath My Feet"
- Sierra Gillespie - CrimeOnline Investigative Reporter
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A three year old little girl,
Olivia goes missing. What happened to Olivia? Crime Stories with
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Nancy Grace. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank
you for being with us. Take a listen to our
friends at KCTV five. We have an active amber alert
just into the newsroom. This is for a missing three
year old from Kansas City, Kansas. Greg Payne is live
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at the scene for us right now, and Greg, what
can you tell us about these breaking details? Joe, As
you had just mentioned that that Amber alert just went off.
Everybody to hear at the scene their phones went off.
Officials say the three year old child was noticed missing
by parents early this morning and they contacted police at
around eight thirty am. The young girl, Olivia and Jansen,
was last seen wearing pajamas. At this time, police say
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it's too early to determine if she was taking a
walk out of the home. The property extends quite a
distance back off of Gifts Road and is wooded. The
fire is out. Fire officials are out there with search
and rescue dogs and police are continuing to search. Police
say there was another scene, but it has been cleared.
They didn't release the location of that scene of Police
say at this time there's no threat to people living
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in the neighborhood right now, and if you do have
any additional information, they encourage you to contact the Tips hotline. Well,
I just learned a lot about missing three year old
Olivia with me and All Star panel Ashley Wilcott, judge
and trial lawyer, Court TV anchor at Ashley Wilcott dot com.
Where now it's like analyst joining me out of Beverly Hills.
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Doctor Bethany Marshall. You can follow her at doctor Bethany
Marshall dot com. Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University,
author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon, clim online
dot com, investigative reporter Sierra Gillespie, and special guests joining
us Olivia's grandmother Elizabeth Jansen. But first I want you
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to hear how Olivia was reported missing. Take a listen
to forty one Action News Emma Jangs. Please tell us
this started when Olivia's father came into the station to
report her missing at eight thirty this morning. They say
he noticed she was gone and the front door was open.
Around five thirty, so they're trying to figure out why
it took several hours to make that report. Alice say,
the last time her father saw her was around eleven
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last night. And we spoke with Olivia's a stepgrandmother today,
who tells us she's heartbroken. She just wants Olivia home.
She's she's she just messed. She's a beautiful little girl,
sweet hybrid. She's just say she's my son. That's what
we called each other. Some showing police are asking anyone
with information to call their dismissed number or their tips hotline.
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You are hearing our friends at forty one action used
discussing when the little girl first goes missing. First of all,
to you, Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jackson State University.
Olivia goes missing from her own home, last seen around
eleven o'clock the night before in her pj's. You know
it does happen. For instance, Elizabeth Smart went missing from
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her home. Isabelle Seale went missing from her home. That's real.
Polly Class Mark Klass's daughter went missing from her home,
all abducted and killed, not Elizabeth, of course, by people
unknown to the parents. So it does happen, but it's
very rare. So what would you do to analyze a
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home to find clues of whoever abducted Olivia, a three
year old little girl from her own home. Yeah. Look,
if you're if people are thinking that this is an
outside perpetrator, that somebody has entered the residents in order
to snatch that little girl, and you're right, this does happen.
You've got all these creepers that are out there that
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take an eye or take a liking to a small child.
You would want to look and see if there were
any signs of fourth century where screens pried off of
the window, was the door locked, jimmied in any way?
Did any of this stuff happen? You know? And at
the end of the day, if you're failing that, then
you have to look at people that are within the
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immediate circle who absolutely have total and complete access to
this child, a three year old little child. And the
reality is if the child quote wandered off on her own,
how far could she get in her pj's out to
Sierra Gillespie Crime online dot Com investigative reporter Sierra I
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heard the reporter on the same state that it was
a big property and heavily wooded. What can you tell
me about it, Jean Nancy. So the area that she
was in definitely was wooded. There could be different areas
that she could have wandered off to. I mean, but again,
as you said, this is a three year old girl.
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How far can she actually get? And what time did
she actually leave the home? So if her father last
saw her at eleven PM, we could assume that she
had left sometime in the night early morning. Was it dark?
How far is a little three year old girl going
to get in the dark? And I mean, how far
can she really walk on her own? Joining me is
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Olivia's grandmother, Elizabeth Jansen. She called police to do a
welfare check. Elizabeth Jansen, thank you for being with us
when you first heard that Olivia was missing. What did
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you think? I just knew that it was it was
something bad for her father to be calling me when
he called you. What did he say? Well, he called,
I gotta call it at nine o'clock it was his
phone ring and I didn't answer it. I was like,
oh boy, no, no, And then at nine o two
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called me again. I was like, okay, something happened and
I answered the phone and then he just started raining
and raving about dad took Olivia. I've done everything I
can to take care of her, and just ran in
a raven. He told me he was gonna screw his
dad and just crazy, and then I just said, I
just hung up the phone and I called my husband.
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So what he was saying didn't make any sense at all. No,
he's automatically blaming that his dad came and took her,
and I was like, no, she'd have been here all night.
You know. That was the first time I'd heard from
him since they kept her away from me. Why did
they keep you, love Olivia, You've been a constant in
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her life. Why did they try to keep you away
from your granddaughter. I think there was a lot of jealousy,
and I think it was a way to hurt us.
It seems like him and Jackie were very mean, and
Olivia loved us very much, and losing her mother, you know,
temporarily she cleaned more to us than ever, and I
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think he really wanted to hurt us. You know, Miss Janson,
my grandmother, Lucy, who I named my daughter after, helped
raise me. We I would stay with my grandmother a
lot because both my mom and dad were at work
with ours. I mean, they didn't have any freedom to leave.
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My dad worked for the railroad and my mom worked
in payroll. They couldn't just go, oh, you know, I
need to take my daughter to girl Scout or I
need to go home. She's got a fever. Nothing like that.
My grandmother, Lucy, my mama take care of me and
helped raise me. And I'm just trying to imagine your
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bond with little Olivia. So after he Howard Jansen calls
you all upset? Now is he Olivia's bio dad? Yes,
she resimbles him quite a bit. YEA. Now who is
Jacklin Kirpatrick. How does she fit into this picture? Her?
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Olivia's mother was friends with her. But at that time,
Olivia seems crazy about Jackie, really crazy, and Jackie seems
to say, but as soon as it happened, when with
Olivia's mother hitting that boy, hit and run, and she
was a little out of her mind at the time.
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So then she went to jail and number Howard the
third was always had to have a woman, and Jackie
was there and that's where he went right. Britney was
gone into the hum. No, no, no, no, no. She
lived with her father and her three kids and on
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Ottawa Street, and he moved in with them right away
and the baby, and I thought everything was gonna be
just fine because she seemed to really being crazy about Olivia.
Olivia seemed crazy about her. And then just things started
getting kind of weird, you know, And I started watching
him and we didn't fear almost every day, and then
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March sixth, at two oh seventy was the last time
I've seen her. Time stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we
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were talking about a beautiful little girl, Olivia, Olivia, three
years old, goes missing. Let's go to cut one CASEYTV
five news anchor Joe Shiodo, Reporter Greg Pahey, we have
an active amber alert just into the newsroom. This is
for a missing three year old from Kansas City, Kansas.
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Greg Payne is live at the scene for US right now.
And Greg, what can you tell us about these breaking details? Joe,
as he had just mentioned that that Amber alert just
went off. Everybody here at the scene their phones went off.
Officials say the three year old child was noticed missing
by parents early this morning and they contacted police at
around eight thirty am. The young girl Olivia and Jansen
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was last seen wearing pajamas. At this time, police say
it's too early to determine if she was taken a
walk out of the home. The property extends quite a
distance back off of Gifts Road and is wooded. Clier
is out Fire officials are out there, search and rescue
dogs and police are continuing to search. Police say there
was another scene, but it has been cleared. They didn't
release the location of that scene. Of Police say at
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this time there's no threat to people living in the
neighborhood right now. That's very interesting that the dad goes
to the police station to report she's missing instead of
calling nine one one to get the search going. We're
talking about the disappearance of Olivia Jansen straight to Sierra Gillespie,
Crime online dot Com investigative reporter. So he says, the dad,
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let me understand the timeline. He says, he hasn't seen
her since the night before at eleven pm when she
went to bed, and then what time does he get
to the police station the next day? Yeah, Nancy, the
timeline for this I think is very important. So, as
you said, eleven pm on Thursday, that's the last time
he says that he saw her. Then I have several reports.
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One thing he woke up at about five thirty and
another thing he woke up at about six thirty in
the morning. Either way, sometime early in the morning is
when he woke up. He says that the front door
was open, and he says that's when he realized Olivia
wasn't around. But it took him until about eight thirty
in order to actually physically go to the police station
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and say, my daughter is missing, report her missing. So
it really took quite some time for him to physically
go there. And again that's the big question is why
did he go to the station. Why didn't he dial
nine one one immediately right when he woke up to see, hey,
she isn't here. We need help right away. And to you,
Elizabeth Jansen, this is Olivia's grandmother, isn't it true? He
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Olivia's bio dad, Howard Jansen called you. Howard Jason a
third called me in the morning at nine o'clock and
then at nine o two. Then he also called his father,
Howard Janson the second rating and writing this, okay, when
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you're saying Howard two and Howard three, Howard two is
my husband. He's the good one. He's a papa. Okay,
that's what I call one of my grandfather's papa. So
Howard three is your son? Used to be used to
move my stepson? Ah, your stepson? So he's not your
biosn Is that correct? Thankfully? Yes? How long have you
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known Howard three? Because he was two? What's his personality?
How did he turn into such a let's see individual? Yeah,
he was. He was raised with all the best plastics,
food to put in his mouth. I mean we just
weren't rich, but he had everything. Um, what's he's got
older and started babbling into drugs And I'm not blaming
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the drugs he used this way, Uh mean hateful, quick, temper, crude, rude,
small animals children? Just are you through a looch? Did
you say it means too small to animals? Um? Just
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abusive if they made a mess on the floor or something.
You know, he had to be pulled away a couple
of times from hurting a small dog at one point,
and that concern me. Yeah. Straight out to doctor Bethany
Marshall psycho analysts joining us out of Beverly Hills at
doctor Bethany Marshall Dot com right there, Bethany, I mean,
right there, all sorts of alarms are going off in
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my head. Okay, So the other night, you know, fat boy,
yes they do. John David was hugging him so tight
he nipped John David's ear. It didn't, of course, didn't bleed,
but it scared him. And John David got so upset
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when his father, David whacked the dog on the rear
end with a magazine. It was the Economist, so it's
not very thick at all. He whacked him. Do you know,
both children started crying because their dead. And this is
after the dog and I understand what happened. You know,
he's a he's a mutt, but he's kind of a doxam.
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It's kind of like a little monster doxin. And he
hugged him so tight that anyway on John David's ear,
and so David comes and WAPs him on the rear
end with at Everybody started crying, getting upset about the dog.
Forget about John David, my son. But that's just anecdotal.
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What I'm telling you is when a child, even a child,
starts mistreating an animal, that's a red bell of alarm, Nancy.
It's a huge it's a it's a three bell alarm fire.
I get the same. But cruelty to animals in childhood
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is a predictor of sociopathic personality, juvenile delinquency, cruelty in adulthood.
It's the number one thing we look at when we
see an adult criminal. If they have cruelty to animals
in childhood, then we begin to know that the criminality
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is a part of their own personality or their genetics,
their own psychological makeup, rather than something situational, like say
they stole something because they were hungry and they needed food.
It's more that, no, they are a criminal. There's all
kinds of things I'm hearing about Howard the Third that
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are very alarming to me. The fact that she called
Olivia's grandmother and was speaking sort of nonsense, gobbledygook speech.
You know, Nancy, when people do that, they're always trying
to cover something up. Haven't you learned that? I mean,
haven't you seen that with individuals when they're lying or
something's not quite right, they talk nonsense, so you can't
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really understand what they're saying. The fact that Howard's Third
alienated little Olivia from her own grandmother speaks volumes of
his cruelty to the grandmother and cruelty to little three
year old little Olivia who needed her grandmother so much.
He also seems like a very jealous, envious man. I
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think missus Jansen is right that he alienated Olivia from
her just because he was jealous that Olivia loved her grandmother.
So we have all kinds of red flags about Howard
the Third's personality to Elizabeth's chance. And this is Olivia's grandmother.
Is it true that Olivia begged you not to have
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to go back to her dad's house. Yes, that's oh
my god, that's one that's every day. I could do that. Yeah,
a little frown and not not at me. I'd be bad.
I'd come back and told him called teke her friend
me anyway. You know, I never would have imagined this,
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Never when when she begged you not to go back.
Most of the times here and what would you say
to her? I told her, my door is always open,
I am always here waiting for her. Um that I'd
always be here. And I was hitting the door jam
on the wall, and I told her, I said, anybody
keeps you away from me, I'll hurt them and that
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would always make a kind of smile. And I told
her being Papa are always papas at the shop and
Memha's at the house on Sunshine Street. That's what she
called it, Sunshine Street. She called where you live Sunshine Street.
We me and her called each other sunshine She called
Papa hin Um, but we always said it with Sunshine
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Streets that we lived on Time Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys,
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we're talking about a three year old little girl, Olivia Jansen,
who goes missing in the middle of the night. This
is a major clue. Take a listen to our friends
at forty one Action News Ariel Rothfield. Neighbors and family
members tell us off camera this is where Olivia lived
in a home up the street with her father and
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his girlfriend and has been living here since the beginning
of the year. Now, on Facebook, Olivia's father wrote he
plans on marrying his girlfriend on July fourth. We haven't
been able to confirm that was official. Now, police do
tell us that the father is at police headquarters and
is cooperating. K Nines have been brought to both locations
in order to help search for Olivia. This neighborhood right
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here is merrily residential, where home's back up to one another.
We do know that police towed a silver car from
this neighborhood earlier. Today police would not explain why or
how the car was related to this investigation. But again,
there are a lot of missing pieces and moving parts
to this investigation. And of course anybody with any information
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about Olivia or might have seen or heard anything is
asked to call nine one one immediately. You know, Joseph
Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State, an author of Blood
Beneath My Feet, you know what. I never have claimed
to know a lot, but I do know this. When
the police take your car and they won't give it back,
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you have a problem. Yes you do, You certainly do.
And the reason is is that anything that enters in
to a vehicle contained space like that is that you
can't overestimate the value of that from a forensic standpoint,
because every bit of trace evidence that's contained within that
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contained area is going to point you in some particular direction.
You don't necessarily know what, but you have to keep
it safe and you have to analyze it to look
for every possible clue, whether it's any kind of body fluid,
including blood, anything, any scuff mark that's in that location,
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any residues that might be left behind, anything or just
looking for saying, pieces of rope or cord or stains
of any kind. It is essential that you get that vehicle,
lock it down, and you do not allow anybody else
to have access to it. In the last hours, the
people of that city take to the streets there in
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Kansas City take to the streets over Olivia's case. And
this is why take a list of our friends. Kansas
City Fox for Zach Summers. After nearly a twelve hour
search had two homes connected to Olivia Jensen, investigators discovered
her body off a trill, just ten blocks away from
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where her father says he last saw her. We wanted
to find her alive and safe. We did. It's terrible.
Officer Tom Thomas Sake with Casey KPD says, the little
girl may have been buried. My understanding the body isn't
just laying there. Olivia's father told police his daughter was
at their home off Gibbs Rode around eleven o'clock last night.
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Around five to thirty this morning, he apparently found a
door wide open and his daughter nowhere to be found.
He reported her missing three hours later. We have had
several stories throughout the day. None of them made very
much sense. So I think unfortunately, to find her where
she is, the way she is, I don't think it
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was too unexpected. You know, they say that so calmly.
It wasn't unexpected. You know why. I wasn't unexpected because
multiple complaints had been made to the Department of Children
Family Services de FACTS and this child is now dead.
I want you to take a listen to this. KSEK
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police records showed officers responded to the home on Ottawa
Street where Olivia lived with her dad and Kirkpatrick for
a suicide investigation. It was one of six calls to
that house since the beginning of the year for things
including juvenile abuse and a welfare check. He said that
they knocked on the door, nobody answered and that was
all they could do. So I needed to call DCF,
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which she did. This email confirmation of that call from
Kansas Department for Children and Families telling Jansen the incident
or circumstance you reported was assigned for investigation. Seventeen days later,
Olivia was found dead in a wooded area near South
thirty fourth and Steel in ksey k. I knew when
I got that call from him that he had done something.
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I knew that what I had feared was true. Howard
the Third first telling police the child was gone when
he woke up Friday morning, their investigation leading to his
and Kirkpatrick's arrest. Shortly after, BEA's body was discovered another
child who slipped through their cracks. Jansen says, I needed
someone to point me in the right direction, and I
didn't have any help. I just want everybody to know
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her story, you know. I just don't want her to
be forgotten. Joining me right now, Elizabeth Jansen, this is
Olivia's grandmother who took care of her. The little girl
begged grandmommy not to send her back to the home,
but Grandmamma's hands were tied. As a matter of fact,
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at a certain point, her own son would keep the
little girl from her, jealous that little Olivia loved her
grandmother so much. Elizabeth Jansen, you were told, hey, if
you want to do something about it, called defects, and
you didn't. You. Yes, what happened. I wasn't frolling with
him for twenty three minutes and live a nice. I
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just had to tell him everything I could think of.
And I think it was a couple of days. I
think it was on a Thursday. We got the email saying,
you know, I could send in more information and that
I would be contacted about anything. Okay, so you got
an email and that was it. That's what all did
you tell them? I told him about the drugs UM.
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I told them about that I had heard she was
wearing a wire too, that she had gotten another drug
dealer in trouble. I knew that there were peace drug
dealers after them because they owed money. I told them
that she was a sex worker. I believe I remembered
to say that UM. But I told him about I
thought they would be to bus I, or she would
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be to bus. I told them about July pamper Um,
and I told them that I didn't want her to
go into foster care. I wanted to turn this in,
I mean and her papa, so that she would have
a safe place to come to when they got better
out of there. And he didn't have. You know, when
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you're told call defacts if you want to do something
and the grandmother does, and then the baby still ends
up dead. And forever, forever. This is going to be
on her mind, Elizabeth Jansen's mind, that Olivia would beg
her every time not to have to go back home
to her bio dad and his girlfriend. Right now, people
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have actually taken to the streets in Kansas City protesting
over the death of Olivia Jansen, a three year old
little girl. I'm looking at a video right now. DCF
failed Olivia and does not care about our children, protesters say.
Kansas Department Child Services receive five notifications concerning Olivia's case
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and did nothing until her body is found. To Sierra
Gillespie joining me, Crime online dot Com investigator reporter tell
me about the discovery of old Yeah Nancy So At
about six thirty on Friday, July tenth, is when the
Amber alert was called off. Her body was found less
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than two miles from her home, where her father had
said she had gone missing sometime between eleven PM on
Thursday and then early Friday morning. We're still waiting for
an autopsy reports to completely confirm exactly how she died
and something we did here in one of the reports
we listened to earlier, she was somewhat buried in a
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bit of a shallow grave. But the really important thing
I think here that we need to focus on is
that the police officer said, this wasn't unexpected. This is
something that unfortunately they expected to find. And it was
so sad that she was found just so close to home.
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Time stories with Nancy Grace, because we were talking about
a three year old little girl. All the red flags
were there, nothing was done. Her grandmother, who was with
us today, tried everything to save three year old Olivia,
but now Olivia is dead. No matter what grandma did.
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De Facts had gotten multiple calls, but had left the
child in the home, not even bothering to investigate. The
grandma's last call. Take a listen to action Knews reporter
Andre guetars the baby was always so unhappy to go home.
She would frown and say, you loved me, You're not
mad at me. I come back, I come back, And
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I told her, I will hurt anybody that keeps you
away from me. That was back in March, the last
time Elizabeth Jansen says she saw her granddaughter. Recently, she
and Howard Jansen the second grew worried over Olivia as
well being. They say they called KCK police and eventually
the Kansas Department for Children and Families better known as
DCF because they wouldn't do anything other than knock on
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the door. And so I was on the phone with
him June twenty second for twenty three minutes, telling them
everything that I could think of, detailed image. And then
they sent me an email on Thursday. They said I
could send more stuff to them, but as far as
that for me to know anything, they wouldn't be contacting me.
Then both of them got a heart wrench and call
Friday from Olivia's dad. My stepson called me at nine
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o'clock in the morning, raining and raving. They called me
to about the same time, you know, disagreement and the
baby's gone. The babies gone first reported missing. Police would
eventually find Olivia's body buried in a wooded area hours later. Guys,
we are talking about a gorgeous three year old little
girl now dead. Joining me in addition to her grandmother,
Elizabeth Jansen, Ashley Willcott, judge and trial lawyer, her specialty
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juvenile law anchor Court TV and as she will dot
com Ashley way in Okay, Nancy, here's what I want
to say. This is a case in which you have
lots of different individuals, the father, the girlfriend. He has
two homes, so you have different crime scenes. We know
what's really important, as always, the chronology. What happened when
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let's talk about this DCF report. Thank goodness, it was reported.
That's the first step. It was assigned for investigation, that's
the second step. But here is where we need a
chronology to really explain what happened. This child was found
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dead seventeen days later. Nancy, you know as well as
I do, seventeen days. Seventeen days is a lifetime and
the life of a child. What did DCF do or
more importantly, not do during those seventeen days, That's what
I want to know. That's the chronology that I'm concerned about,
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because I would suggest that given it was seventeen days,
things were not done that should have been done. Joining me,
Elizabeth Jansen, this is Olivia's grandmother who is also seeking justice.
And now people in Kansas City, Kansas are actually taking
to the streets in protest outside the Department of Children
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Family Services building with signs I'm looking at them right now.
Justice for Olivia, baby girl. We are here for her.
Defects failed the children Defacts failed children again. I mean,
what will it take until somebody listens how many children
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have to die when DEFACTS refuses to intervene? Elizabeth Jansen?
What is DFACTS saying now? And I'm not blaming them
for well, I take it back. I kind of am
blaming them for the murder. I know Howard three and
as Hinch personal love her are responsible for the death.
But in my mind d Facts was part and parcel
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of it. I don't want to say too much about
him because I don't want to jeopardize what we're going
through trying to convict them. They dropped the ball. Jesus
Scott Morgan, Professor forensics, Jacksonville State and author of Blood
Beneath My Feet, explain to me how we're going to
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get a cause of death on this little girl. I
don't know what is taking so long as as far
as the specific cod on this particular child's death. I
think that maybe they're factoring in all of the pre
existing maybe trauma that she endured. Remember she's she's been
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kept away from from her grandmother for some period of time.
Those individuals that would be able to look in on her,
a check on her, and they're probably trying to marry
up a timeline of ongoing abuse. I would imagine that
culminated in her death eventually. That's the only thing that
I can imagine that's going on. Plus, you know the
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standard fair where they're waiting on toxicology as well. When
you say waiting on toxicology, could you please explain that. Yeah.
And I think that this is a key here in
Nancy because of what Grandma had mentioned just a few
moments ago, is that there may have been drugs in
this household. And we really need to dig deep into
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that because if there were drugs in this household, you know,
he's you know what if drug dealers are after him,
But if he's you know, you never know. So you've
got these drugs that might be in the household. Was
she subjected to these? Were they manufacturing drugs like meth
in the household? Was anything else going on? Has she
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been exposed to anything? And if she had been, then
you want to check into her system and see what's
going on. Hey, here's another thought too, Maybe she accidentally
ingested something and she wound up dying. You never know,
because you know, at every turn for this precious little
baby is a hazard in this environment. It is a
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lethal environment when you consider all of the people that
dad her dad made a free will choice to associate
with and engage in a lifestyle he was engaging in.
It put her at risk, not just daily Nancy, but
minute to minute Nancy. Yes, jump in Joe Scott Morgan
is absolutely correct. Court papers just released say that she
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was badly injured and it would have been apparent to
anyone that saw her that she suffered great physical abuse.
The autopsy says that this little three year old girl
was covered in bruises from head to toe. Her face,
her arms, her legs all covered in bruises. She also
had a small cut on the back of her head,
and an autopsy revealed significant bleeding on the back of
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her brain, which caused her death. Stars. I just wanted
to add real quickly. Child abuse is a vastly underreported crime,
and the reason for that is when neighbors, grandparents, aunt's,
uncle's cousins notice signs of abuse, they will typically fear
that if they report the abuse that they'll say to themselves, well,
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maybe I made it up, maybe I'm imagining it. I
don't want to get that parent in trouble. What if
the child's removed from the home and it ruins the
child's life and it's my fault. These are the self
proclaimed narratives of people who look the other way and
do not report child abuse. So by the time a
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report if actually lodged with the facts, it is very serious.
For every report filed, there are potentially dozens that have
not been filed. So the fact that the Facts sat
on this did not take it seriously, let so much
time pass. As Joe Scott more and so eloquently said,
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the report was just the tip of the iceberg of
other lack of reports of people in the household, drugs
coming in and out, money that was owed, jealous stepmother,
sociopathic father, and so this was the canarian, the coal mine,
the report, and then it slipped through the cracks. That
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is what the tragedy is about this entire situation. Guys,
the biological father, Howard Jansen, and his girlfriend Jacqueline Kirkpatrick
are in jail right now, charged not only the first
degree murder but other related charges. You know who also
ought to be there behind bars, Department of Family and
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Child Services. That's who we wait as justice unfalls. Nancy
Grace crime story, signing off goodbye friend,
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A three year old little girl,
Olivia goes missing. What happened to Olivia? Crime Stories with
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Nancy Grace. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank
you for being with us. Take a listen to our
friends at KCTV five. We have an active amber alert
just into the newsroom. This is for a missing three
year old from Kansas City, Kansas. Greg Payne is live
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at the scene for us right now, and Greg, what
can you tell us about these breaking details? Joe, As
you had just mentioned that that Amber alert just went off.
Everybody to hear at the scene their phones went off.
Officials say the three year old child was noticed missing
by parents early this morning and they contacted police at
around eight thirty am. The young girl, Olivia and Jansen,
was last seen wearing pajamas. At this time, police say
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it's too early to determine if she was taking a
walk out of the home. The property extends quite a
distance back off of Gifts Road and is wooded. The
fire is out. Fire officials are out there with search
and rescue dogs and police are continuing to search. Police
say there was another scene, but it has been cleared.
They didn't release the location of that scene of Police
say at this time there's no threat to people living
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in the neighborhood right now, and if you do have
any additional information, they encourage you to contact the Tips hotline. Well,
I just learned a lot about missing three year old
Olivia with me and All Star panel Ashley Wilcott, judge
and trial lawyer, Court TV anchor at Ashley Wilcott dot com.
Where now it's like analyst joining me out of Beverly Hills.
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Doctor Bethany Marshall. You can follow her at doctor Bethany
Marshall dot com. Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University,
author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon, clim online
dot com, investigative reporter Sierra Gillespie, and special guests joining
us Olivia's grandmother Elizabeth Jansen. But first I want you
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to hear how Olivia was reported missing. Take a listen
to forty one Action News Emma Jangs. Please tell us
this started when Olivia's father came into the station to
report her missing at eight thirty this morning. They say
he noticed she was gone and the front door was open.
Around five thirty, so they're trying to figure out why
it took several hours to make that report. Alice say,
the last time her father saw her was around eleven
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last night. And we spoke with Olivia's a stepgrandmother today,
who tells us she's heartbroken. She just wants Olivia home.
She's she's she just messed. She's a beautiful little girl,
sweet hybrid. She's just say she's my son. That's what
we called each other. Some showing police are asking anyone
with information to call their dismissed number or their tips hotline.
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You are hearing our friends at forty one action used
discussing when the little girl first goes missing. First of all,
to you, Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jackson State University.
Olivia goes missing from her own home, last seen around
eleven o'clock the night before in her pj's. You know
it does happen. For instance, Elizabeth Smart went missing from
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her home. Isabelle Seale went missing from her home. That's real.
Polly Class Mark Klass's daughter went missing from her home,
all abducted and killed, not Elizabeth, of course, by people
unknown to the parents. So it does happen, but it's
very rare. So what would you do to analyze a
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home to find clues of whoever abducted Olivia, a three
year old little girl from her own home. Yeah. Look,
if you're if people are thinking that this is an
outside perpetrator, that somebody has entered the residents in order
to snatch that little girl, and you're right, this does happen.
You've got all these creepers that are out there that
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take an eye or take a liking to a small child.
You would want to look and see if there were
any signs of fourth century where screens pried off of
the window, was the door locked, jimmied in any way?
Did any of this stuff happen? You know? And at
the end of the day, if you're failing that, then
you have to look at people that are within the
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immediate circle who absolutely have total and complete access to
this child, a three year old little child. And the
reality is if the child quote wandered off on her own,
how far could she get in her pj's out to
Sierra Gillespie Crime online dot Com investigative reporter Sierra I
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heard the reporter on the same state that it was
a big property and heavily wooded. What can you tell
me about it, Jean Nancy. So the area that she
was in definitely was wooded. There could be different areas
that she could have wandered off to. I mean, but again,
as you said, this is a three year old girl.
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How far can she actually get? And what time did
she actually leave the home? So if her father last
saw her at eleven PM, we could assume that she
had left sometime in the night early morning. Was it dark?
How far is a little three year old girl going
to get in the dark? And I mean, how far
can she really walk on her own? Joining me is
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Olivia's grandmother, Elizabeth Jansen. She called police to do a
welfare check. Elizabeth Jansen, thank you for being with us
when you first heard that Olivia was missing. What did
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you think? I just knew that it was it was
something bad for her father to be calling me when
he called you. What did he say? Well, he called,
I gotta call it at nine o'clock it was his
phone ring and I didn't answer it. I was like,
oh boy, no, no, And then at nine o two
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called me again. I was like, okay, something happened and
I answered the phone and then he just started raining
and raving about dad took Olivia. I've done everything I
can to take care of her, and just ran in
a raven. He told me he was gonna screw his
dad and just crazy, and then I just said, I
just hung up the phone and I called my husband.
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So what he was saying didn't make any sense at all. No,
he's automatically blaming that his dad came and took her,
and I was like, no, she'd have been here all night.
You know. That was the first time I'd heard from
him since they kept her away from me. Why did
they keep you, love Olivia, You've been a constant in
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her life. Why did they try to keep you away
from your granddaughter. I think there was a lot of jealousy,
and I think it was a way to hurt us.
It seems like him and Jackie were very mean, and
Olivia loved us very much, and losing her mother, you know,
temporarily she cleaned more to us than ever, and I
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think he really wanted to hurt us. You know, Miss Janson,
my grandmother, Lucy, who I named my daughter after, helped
raise me. We I would stay with my grandmother a
lot because both my mom and dad were at work
with ours. I mean, they didn't have any freedom to leave.
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My dad worked for the railroad and my mom worked
in payroll. They couldn't just go, oh, you know, I
need to take my daughter to girl Scout or I
need to go home. She's got a fever. Nothing like that.
My grandmother, Lucy, my mama take care of me and
helped raise me. And I'm just trying to imagine your
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bond with little Olivia. So after he Howard Jansen calls
you all upset? Now is he Olivia's bio dad? Yes,
she resimbles him quite a bit. YEA. Now who is
Jacklin Kirpatrick. How does she fit into this picture? Her?
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Olivia's mother was friends with her. But at that time,
Olivia seems crazy about Jackie, really crazy, and Jackie seems
to say, but as soon as it happened, when with
Olivia's mother hitting that boy, hit and run, and she
was a little out of her mind at the time.
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So then she went to jail and number Howard the
third was always had to have a woman, and Jackie
was there and that's where he went right. Britney was
gone into the hum. No, no, no, no, no. She
lived with her father and her three kids and on
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Ottawa Street, and he moved in with them right away
and the baby, and I thought everything was gonna be
just fine because she seemed to really being crazy about Olivia.
Olivia seemed crazy about her. And then just things started
getting kind of weird, you know, And I started watching
him and we didn't fear almost every day, and then
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March sixth, at two oh seventy was the last time
I've seen her. Time stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we
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were talking about a beautiful little girl, Olivia, Olivia, three
years old, goes missing. Let's go to cut one CASEYTV
five news anchor Joe Shiodo, Reporter Greg Pahey, we have
an active amber alert just into the newsroom. This is
for a missing three year old from Kansas City, Kansas.
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Greg Payne is live at the scene for US right now.
And Greg, what can you tell us about these breaking details? Joe,
as he had just mentioned that that Amber alert just
went off. Everybody here at the scene their phones went off.
Officials say the three year old child was noticed missing
by parents early this morning and they contacted police at
around eight thirty am. The young girl Olivia and Jansen
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was last seen wearing pajamas. At this time, police say
it's too early to determine if she was taken a
walk out of the home. The property extends quite a
distance back off of Gifts Road and is wooded. Clier
is out Fire officials are out there, search and rescue
dogs and police are continuing to search. Police say there
was another scene, but it has been cleared. They didn't
release the location of that scene. Of Police say at
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this time there's no threat to people living in the
neighborhood right now. That's very interesting that the dad goes
to the police station to report she's missing instead of
calling nine one one to get the search going. We're
talking about the disappearance of Olivia Jansen straight to Sierra Gillespie,
Crime online dot Com investigative reporter. So he says, the dad,
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let me understand the timeline. He says, he hasn't seen
her since the night before at eleven pm when she
went to bed, and then what time does he get
to the police station the next day? Yeah, Nancy, the
timeline for this I think is very important. So, as
you said, eleven pm on Thursday, that's the last time
he says that he saw her. Then I have several reports.
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One thing he woke up at about five thirty and
another thing he woke up at about six thirty in
the morning. Either way, sometime early in the morning is
when he woke up. He says that the front door
was open, and he says that's when he realized Olivia
wasn't around. But it took him until about eight thirty
in order to actually physically go to the police station
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and say, my daughter is missing, report her missing. So
it really took quite some time for him to physically
go there. And again that's the big question is why
did he go to the station. Why didn't he dial
nine one one immediately right when he woke up to see, hey,
she isn't here. We need help right away. And to you,
Elizabeth Jansen, this is Olivia's grandmother, isn't it true? He
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Olivia's bio dad, Howard Jansen called you. Howard Jason a
third called me in the morning at nine o'clock and
then at nine o two. Then he also called his father,
Howard Janson the second rating and writing this, okay, when
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you're saying Howard two and Howard three, Howard two is
my husband. He's the good one. He's a papa. Okay,
that's what I call one of my grandfather's papa. So
Howard three is your son? Used to be used to
move my stepson? Ah, your stepson? So he's not your
biosn Is that correct? Thankfully? Yes? How long have you
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known Howard three? Because he was two? What's his personality?
How did he turn into such a let's see individual? Yeah,
he was. He was raised with all the best plastics,
food to put in his mouth. I mean we just
weren't rich, but he had everything. Um, what's he's got
older and started babbling into drugs And I'm not blaming
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the drugs he used this way, Uh mean hateful, quick, temper, crude, rude,
small animals children? Just are you through a looch? Did
you say it means too small to animals? Um? Just
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abusive if they made a mess on the floor or something.
You know, he had to be pulled away a couple
of times from hurting a small dog at one point,
and that concern me. Yeah. Straight out to doctor Bethany
Marshall psycho analysts joining us out of Beverly Hills at
doctor Bethany Marshall Dot com right there, Bethany, I mean,
right there, all sorts of alarms are going off in
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my head. Okay, So the other night, you know, fat boy,
yes they do. John David was hugging him so tight
he nipped John David's ear. It didn't, of course, didn't bleed,
but it scared him. And John David got so upset
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when his father, David whacked the dog on the rear
end with a magazine. It was the Economist, so it's
not very thick at all. He whacked him. Do you know,
both children started crying because their dead. And this is
after the dog and I understand what happened. You know,
he's a he's a mutt, but he's kind of a doxam.
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It's kind of like a little monster doxin. And he
hugged him so tight that anyway on John David's ear,
and so David comes and WAPs him on the rear
end with at Everybody started crying, getting upset about the dog.
Forget about John David, my son. But that's just anecdotal.
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What I'm telling you is when a child, even a child,
starts mistreating an animal, that's a red bell of alarm, Nancy.
It's a huge it's a it's a three bell alarm fire.
I get the same. But cruelty to animals in childhood
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is a predictor of sociopathic personality, juvenile delinquency, cruelty in adulthood.
It's the number one thing we look at when we
see an adult criminal. If they have cruelty to animals
in childhood, then we begin to know that the criminality
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is a part of their own personality or their genetics,
their own psychological makeup, rather than something situational, like say
they stole something because they were hungry and they needed food.
It's more that, no, they are a criminal. There's all
kinds of things I'm hearing about Howard the Third that
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are very alarming to me. The fact that she called
Olivia's grandmother and was speaking sort of nonsense, gobbledygook speech.
You know, Nancy, when people do that, they're always trying
to cover something up. Haven't you learned that? I mean,
haven't you seen that with individuals when they're lying or
something's not quite right, they talk nonsense, so you can't
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really understand what they're saying. The fact that Howard's Third
alienated little Olivia from her own grandmother speaks volumes of
his cruelty to the grandmother and cruelty to little three
year old little Olivia who needed her grandmother so much.
He also seems like a very jealous, envious man. I
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think missus Jansen is right that he alienated Olivia from
her just because he was jealous that Olivia loved her grandmother.
So we have all kinds of red flags about Howard
the Third's personality to Elizabeth's chance. And this is Olivia's grandmother.
Is it true that Olivia begged you not to have
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to go back to her dad's house. Yes, that's oh
my god, that's one that's every day. I could do that. Yeah,
a little frown and not not at me. I'd be bad.
I'd come back and told him called teke her friend
me anyway. You know, I never would have imagined this,
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Never when when she begged you not to go back.
Most of the times here and what would you say
to her? I told her, my door is always open,
I am always here waiting for her. Um that I'd
always be here. And I was hitting the door jam
on the wall, and I told her, I said, anybody
keeps you away from me, I'll hurt them and that
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would always make a kind of smile. And I told
her being Papa are always papas at the shop and
Memha's at the house on Sunshine Street. That's what she
called it, Sunshine Street. She called where you live Sunshine Street.
We me and her called each other sunshine She called
Papa hin Um, but we always said it with Sunshine
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Streets that we lived on Time Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys,
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we're talking about a three year old little girl, Olivia Jansen,
who goes missing in the middle of the night. This
is a major clue. Take a listen to our friends
at forty one Action News Ariel Rothfield. Neighbors and family
members tell us off camera this is where Olivia lived
in a home up the street with her father and
(19:29):
his girlfriend and has been living here since the beginning
of the year. Now, on Facebook, Olivia's father wrote he
plans on marrying his girlfriend on July fourth. We haven't
been able to confirm that was official. Now, police do
tell us that the father is at police headquarters and
is cooperating. K Nines have been brought to both locations
in order to help search for Olivia. This neighborhood right
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here is merrily residential, where home's back up to one another.
We do know that police towed a silver car from
this neighborhood earlier. Today police would not explain why or
how the car was related to this investigation. But again,
there are a lot of missing pieces and moving parts
to this investigation. And of course anybody with any information
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about Olivia or might have seen or heard anything is
asked to call nine one one immediately. You know, Joseph
Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State, an author of Blood
Beneath My Feet, you know what. I never have claimed
to know a lot, but I do know this. When
the police take your car and they won't give it back,
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you have a problem. Yes you do, You certainly do.
And the reason is is that anything that enters in
to a vehicle contained space like that is that you
can't overestimate the value of that from a forensic standpoint,
because every bit of trace evidence that's contained within that
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contained area is going to point you in some particular direction.
You don't necessarily know what, but you have to keep
it safe and you have to analyze it to look
for every possible clue, whether it's any kind of body fluid,
including blood, anything, any scuff mark that's in that location,
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any residues that might be left behind, anything or just
looking for saying, pieces of rope or cord or stains
of any kind. It is essential that you get that vehicle,
lock it down, and you do not allow anybody else
to have access to it. In the last hours, the
people of that city take to the streets there in
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Kansas City take to the streets over Olivia's case. And
this is why take a list of our friends. Kansas
City Fox for Zach Summers. After nearly a twelve hour
search had two homes connected to Olivia Jensen, investigators discovered
her body off a trill, just ten blocks away from
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where her father says he last saw her. We wanted
to find her alive and safe. We did. It's terrible.
Officer Tom Thomas Sake with Casey KPD says, the little
girl may have been buried. My understanding the body isn't
just laying there. Olivia's father told police his daughter was
at their home off Gibbs Rode around eleven o'clock last night.
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Around five to thirty this morning, he apparently found a
door wide open and his daughter nowhere to be found.
He reported her missing three hours later. We have had
several stories throughout the day. None of them made very
much sense. So I think unfortunately, to find her where
she is, the way she is, I don't think it
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was too unexpected. You know, they say that so calmly.
It wasn't unexpected. You know why. I wasn't unexpected because
multiple complaints had been made to the Department of Children
Family Services de FACTS and this child is now dead.
I want you to take a listen to this. KSEK
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police records showed officers responded to the home on Ottawa
Street where Olivia lived with her dad and Kirkpatrick for
a suicide investigation. It was one of six calls to
that house since the beginning of the year for things
including juvenile abuse and a welfare check. He said that
they knocked on the door, nobody answered and that was
all they could do. So I needed to call DCF,
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which she did. This email confirmation of that call from
Kansas Department for Children and Families telling Jansen the incident
or circumstance you reported was assigned for investigation. Seventeen days later,
Olivia was found dead in a wooded area near South
thirty fourth and Steel in ksey k. I knew when
I got that call from him that he had done something.
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I knew that what I had feared was true. Howard
the Third first telling police the child was gone when
he woke up Friday morning, their investigation leading to his
and Kirkpatrick's arrest. Shortly after, BEA's body was discovered another
child who slipped through their cracks. Jansen says, I needed
someone to point me in the right direction, and I
didn't have any help. I just want everybody to know
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her story, you know. I just don't want her to
be forgotten. Joining me right now, Elizabeth Jansen, this is
Olivia's grandmother who took care of her. The little girl
begged grandmommy not to send her back to the home,
but Grandmamma's hands were tied. As a matter of fact,
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at a certain point, her own son would keep the
little girl from her, jealous that little Olivia loved her
grandmother so much. Elizabeth Jansen, you were told, hey, if
you want to do something about it, called defects, and
you didn't. You. Yes, what happened. I wasn't frolling with
him for twenty three minutes and live a nice. I
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just had to tell him everything I could think of.
And I think it was a couple of days. I
think it was on a Thursday. We got the email saying,
you know, I could send in more information and that
I would be contacted about anything. Okay, so you got
an email and that was it. That's what all did
you tell them? I told him about the drugs UM.
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I told them about that I had heard she was
wearing a wire too, that she had gotten another drug
dealer in trouble. I knew that there were peace drug
dealers after them because they owed money. I told them
that she was a sex worker. I believe I remembered
to say that UM. But I told him about I
thought they would be to bus I, or she would
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be to bus. I told them about July pamper Um,
and I told them that I didn't want her to
go into foster care. I wanted to turn this in,
I mean and her papa, so that she would have
a safe place to come to when they got better
out of there. And he didn't have. You know, when
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you're told call defacts if you want to do something
and the grandmother does, and then the baby still ends
up dead. And forever, forever. This is going to be
on her mind, Elizabeth Jansen's mind, that Olivia would beg
her every time not to have to go back home
to her bio dad and his girlfriend. Right now, people
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have actually taken to the streets in Kansas City protesting
over the death of Olivia Jansen, a three year old
little girl. I'm looking at a video right now. DCF
failed Olivia and does not care about our children, protesters say.
Kansas Department Child Services receive five notifications concerning Olivia's case
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and did nothing until her body is found. To Sierra
Gillespie joining me, Crime online dot Com investigator reporter tell
me about the discovery of old Yeah Nancy So At
about six thirty on Friday, July tenth, is when the
Amber alert was called off. Her body was found less
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than two miles from her home, where her father had
said she had gone missing sometime between eleven PM on
Thursday and then early Friday morning. We're still waiting for
an autopsy reports to completely confirm exactly how she died
and something we did here in one of the reports
we listened to earlier, she was somewhat buried in a
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bit of a shallow grave. But the really important thing
I think here that we need to focus on is
that the police officer said, this wasn't unexpected. This is
something that unfortunately they expected to find. And it was
so sad that she was found just so close to home.
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Time stories with Nancy Grace, because we were talking about
a three year old little girl. All the red flags
were there, nothing was done. Her grandmother, who was with
us today, tried everything to save three year old Olivia,
but now Olivia is dead. No matter what grandma did.
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De Facts had gotten multiple calls, but had left the
child in the home, not even bothering to investigate. The
grandma's last call. Take a listen to action Knews reporter
Andre guetars the baby was always so unhappy to go home.
She would frown and say, you loved me, You're not
mad at me. I come back, I come back, And
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I told her, I will hurt anybody that keeps you
away from me. That was back in March, the last
time Elizabeth Jansen says she saw her granddaughter. Recently, she
and Howard Jansen the second grew worried over Olivia as
well being. They say they called KCK police and eventually
the Kansas Department for Children and Families better known as
DCF because they wouldn't do anything other than knock on
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the door. And so I was on the phone with
him June twenty second for twenty three minutes, telling them
everything that I could think of, detailed image. And then
they sent me an email on Thursday. They said I
could send more stuff to them, but as far as
that for me to know anything, they wouldn't be contacting me.
Then both of them got a heart wrench and call
Friday from Olivia's dad. My stepson called me at nine
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o'clock in the morning, raining and raving. They called me
to about the same time, you know, disagreement and the
baby's gone. The babies gone first reported missing. Police would
eventually find Olivia's body buried in a wooded area hours later. Guys,
we are talking about a gorgeous three year old little
girl now dead. Joining me in addition to her grandmother,
Elizabeth Jansen, Ashley Willcott, judge and trial lawyer, her specialty
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juvenile law anchor Court TV and as she will dot
com Ashley way in Okay, Nancy, here's what I want
to say. This is a case in which you have
lots of different individuals, the father, the girlfriend. He has
two homes, so you have different crime scenes. We know
what's really important, as always, the chronology. What happened when
(30:18):
let's talk about this DCF report. Thank goodness, it was reported.
That's the first step. It was assigned for investigation, that's
the second step. But here is where we need a
chronology to really explain what happened. This child was found
(30:38):
dead seventeen days later. Nancy, you know as well as
I do, seventeen days. Seventeen days is a lifetime and
the life of a child. What did DCF do or
more importantly, not do during those seventeen days, That's what
I want to know. That's the chronology that I'm concerned about,
(30:59):
because I would suggest that given it was seventeen days,
things were not done that should have been done. Joining me,
Elizabeth Jansen, this is Olivia's grandmother who is also seeking justice.
And now people in Kansas City, Kansas are actually taking
to the streets in protest outside the Department of Children
(31:19):
Family Services building with signs I'm looking at them right now.
Justice for Olivia, baby girl. We are here for her.
Defects failed the children Defacts failed children again. I mean,
what will it take until somebody listens how many children
(31:42):
have to die when DEFACTS refuses to intervene? Elizabeth Jansen?
What is DFACTS saying now? And I'm not blaming them
for well, I take it back. I kind of am
blaming them for the murder. I know Howard three and
as Hinch personal love her are responsible for the death.
But in my mind d Facts was part and parcel
(32:06):
of it. I don't want to say too much about
him because I don't want to jeopardize what we're going
through trying to convict them. They dropped the ball. Jesus
Scott Morgan, Professor forensics, Jacksonville State and author of Blood
Beneath My Feet, explain to me how we're going to
(32:27):
get a cause of death on this little girl. I
don't know what is taking so long as as far
as the specific cod on this particular child's death. I
think that maybe they're factoring in all of the pre
existing maybe trauma that she endured. Remember she's she's been
(32:47):
kept away from from her grandmother for some period of time.
Those individuals that would be able to look in on her,
a check on her, and they're probably trying to marry
up a timeline of ongoing abuse. I would imagine that
culminated in her death eventually. That's the only thing that
I can imagine that's going on. Plus, you know the
(33:08):
standard fair where they're waiting on toxicology as well. When
you say waiting on toxicology, could you please explain that. Yeah.
And I think that this is a key here in
Nancy because of what Grandma had mentioned just a few
moments ago, is that there may have been drugs in
this household. And we really need to dig deep into
(33:29):
that because if there were drugs in this household, you know,
he's you know what if drug dealers are after him,
But if he's you know, you never know. So you've
got these drugs that might be in the household. Was
she subjected to these? Were they manufacturing drugs like meth
in the household? Was anything else going on? Has she
(33:51):
been exposed to anything? And if she had been, then
you want to check into her system and see what's
going on. Hey, here's another thought too, Maybe she accidentally
ingested something and she wound up dying. You never know,
because you know, at every turn for this precious little
baby is a hazard in this environment. It is a
(34:12):
lethal environment when you consider all of the people that
dad her dad made a free will choice to associate
with and engage in a lifestyle he was engaging in.
It put her at risk, not just daily Nancy, but
minute to minute Nancy. Yes, jump in Joe Scott Morgan
is absolutely correct. Court papers just released say that she
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was badly injured and it would have been apparent to
anyone that saw her that she suffered great physical abuse.
The autopsy says that this little three year old girl
was covered in bruises from head to toe. Her face,
her arms, her legs all covered in bruises. She also
had a small cut on the back of her head,
and an autopsy revealed significant bleeding on the back of
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her brain, which caused her death. Stars. I just wanted
to add real quickly. Child abuse is a vastly underreported crime,
and the reason for that is when neighbors, grandparents, aunt's,
uncle's cousins notice signs of abuse, they will typically fear
that if they report the abuse that they'll say to themselves, well,
(35:18):
maybe I made it up, maybe I'm imagining it. I
don't want to get that parent in trouble. What if
the child's removed from the home and it ruins the
child's life and it's my fault. These are the self
proclaimed narratives of people who look the other way and
do not report child abuse. So by the time a
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report if actually lodged with the facts, it is very serious.
For every report filed, there are potentially dozens that have
not been filed. So the fact that the Facts sat
on this did not take it seriously, let so much
time pass. As Joe Scott more and so eloquently said,
(36:01):
the report was just the tip of the iceberg of
other lack of reports of people in the household, drugs
coming in and out, money that was owed, jealous stepmother,
sociopathic father, and so this was the canarian, the coal mine,
the report, and then it slipped through the cracks. That
(36:23):
is what the tragedy is about this entire situation. Guys,
the biological father, Howard Jansen, and his girlfriend Jacqueline Kirkpatrick
are in jail right now, charged not only the first
degree murder but other related charges. You know who also
ought to be there behind bars, Department of Family and
(36:45):
Child Services. That's who we wait as justice unfalls. Nancy
Grace crime story, signing off goodbye friend,
Host
Nancy Grace
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