February 3, 2024 • 37 mins
Gaylyn Morris gets convicted in the death of her boyfriend after she uses an Apple AirTag to track him to a bar. She then, repeatedly ran over him in a parking lot, killing him, in front of bystanders.
Andre Smith, 26, was having drinks with another woman when Morris reportedly confronted Smith and the woman at Tilly’s Pub in Indianapolis. The ensuing argument gets all three thrown out of the pub.
Once outside, witnesses say Morris got into her black Chevrolet Impala and drove forward, knocking Smith down. She then reportedly put the vehicle in reverse and drove forward over him again. Medics located Smith’s body under Morris’ car outside the bar. He was pronounced dead at the scene.
Morris, 26 years old at the time, was tried for murder but was convicted only of voluntary manslaughter. Morris will spend the next 18 years in prison.
Joining Nancy Grace Today:
- Laprecia Sanders - Victim's Mother
- Darryl Cohen – Former Assistant District Attorney, Fulton County, Georgia, Defense Attorney, Cohen, Cooper, Estep, & Allen, LLC
- Dr. Angela Arnold – Psychiatrist, Atlanta GA. (voted ‘My Buckhead’s Best Psychiatric Practice’ of 2023) Expert in the Treatment of Pregnant/Postpartum Women, and Former Assistant Professor of Psychiatry, Obstetrics and Gynecology: Emory University; Former Medical Director of The Psychiatric Ob-Gyn Clinic at Grady Memorial Hospital
- Joe Scott Morgan – Professor of Forensics: Jacksonville State University, Author, “Blood Beneath My Feet,” and Host: “Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan;” Twitter/X: @JoScottForensic
- Lee Reiber – Mobile Device Forensic Expert, COO: Oxygen Forensics, Inc., Author: “Mobile Forensic Investigations: A Guide to Evidence Collection, Analysis, and Presentation”
- Richard Essex – Investigative Reporter, WISH-TV; Twitter: @RichardEssexIII, Facebook: RichardEssexTV
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Well, there are breakups and
then there are breakups. In the last hours, a stunning
development in the case of a woman who tracks down
her boyfriend to a Castleton bar, Tilly's Pub and grill
(00:34):
by way of an air tag, convinced he's with another woman,
and when she sees him in the parking lot, she
mows him down, not just once, but making sure she
backs up and drives over him again, killing him. I'm
(00:56):
Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being
with us here at Crime Stories and on Serious XM
one eleven. What was this woman thinking? Galen Marris Young
attractive the world before her, but she just can't stand
it when her boyfriend Andre, she's convinced anyway, is with
(01:20):
another woman. The two were not married, they could date
other people, they didn't share a child together. Nothing know
anything in the last hours, a jury speaks. So how
did this whole thing unfold? First of all, take a
listen to our friends at WISHTV.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Smith was pronounced dead just before one o'clock Friday morning.
His family had rushed to the scene on eat eighty
second Street. Many of them saw his lifeless body trapped
under a car.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
It's a memory that will haunt them forever.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
To like an edible industry.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
I don't want nobody to love me that hard.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
If you've got to take my life, the emotions are
still very wrong. Smith's ants, Bredika and Sandra Day, described
the last minutes of their nephew's life.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Car crying for help as he was trying to raise
his kid up.
Speaker 5 (02:23):
Ran over my ears.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
And don't get it a strength this young man, this
beautiful young man, really at the beginning of his life,
Andre Smith. The thought of him being mowed down seemingly
on purpose under that cart, trying to trying to get up,
(02:51):
trying to raise up before he died. Did you hear
the crying and the sobs in the background. Take a
listen again to our friend Richard Essex at w I
SHTV is is Kapelli overwhelming.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Within minutes, Smith was pronounced dead by the Indianapolis Fire Department.
His last moments are replayed in the collective memory of
his family, and.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
It replays every time I bleink right now, it replays
every time we have to talk about it, or if.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
I'm sleep at night. So I can.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
Only imagine how my sister is feeling right now. I
could only imagine it's one thing to you know, injure
or wound a person, but to take a life.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
While they are are yelling for help, help me.
Speaker 6 (03:52):
A young man and a young lady inside of Calli's.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Whoever you are, our hearts go.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
Out to you and we date you from the bottom
of our hearts. Day ran out of the air.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
And even in the midst of all that pain, Andre's
family thanking two of the patrons in the restaurant that
came out and tried to help, but to no avail.
With me an all star panel to make sense of
what we know right now in the brutal murder of
this young man in the prime of his life, growing
up into the man his mother wanted him to be. First,
(04:31):
I want to go to a special guest joining us.
This is Andre's mother, Miss Sanders. I do not know
how you have the strength to put one foot in
front of the other. I'm just so sorry, miss Sanders,
what you're going through. First of all, what are your
(04:54):
days and nights like as you relive over and over
life that your son was killed.
Speaker 7 (05:02):
Nancy, it's hard for me to sleep at night. I
can't focus during the day. It's my son's death is
wane heavy on my heart. I just it's horrible, Like
I can't stop thinking about my son and I wish
(05:24):
I could have been here to help them.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
How do you get through the day.
Speaker 7 (05:30):
I'm currently taking anxiety medications. I can't. I have to
take them throughout the day because if I don't, I'm
crying all day. I keep crying and crying and crying.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
When did you learn Do you remember that moment you
learned Andre had been mowed down?
Speaker 7 (05:48):
Yes, I remember it. I can't forget it. I had
gotten a call from one of my family members and
told me that my son, this was the worst that
came out of my family members out that he wasn't responding,
and I'm like, I asked my family member, who are
you talking about, and he stated Andre. I immediately rushed
(06:11):
to Community North Hospital in Indianapolis looking for my son.
I had no idea what was going on. I just
was looking for my baby, and I was going crazy
at that time because I hadn't gotten a call from
the police or anyone. So I ran to Community North
Hospital looking for my baby and he wasn't there.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
So you're at the hospital, what happened when you got
to the hospital.
Speaker 7 (06:35):
They he didn't have any information on my son Andre.
So a family member had reached out at this time
with my sister. Because I had blacked out, I had
parked somewhere. My sister found me and she came and
got me, and my sister ended up talking to one
of the family members and they explained to us where
(06:57):
my son's body.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Was located in heaven. Did you say you blacked out?
Speaker 7 (07:04):
Yeah, like my sister, she was able. I guess me
and her we share locations, so she found where I
was at. I was at a speedway gas station near
my home. I guess I was driving out of my
apartment and my condo and I ended up at a
speedway and my sister found me. When she found me,
somehow I came back to my senses and then that's
(07:26):
where we continued on to go where the family member
told me my son's body was.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Joe Scott Morgan with me Joe Scott, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville
State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon
Death Investigator Starving You Hit series Body Bags with Joseph
Scott Morgan on iHeart I could go on. But Joe Scott,
what is that? Because you heard miss Sanders, this is
(07:54):
Andre Smith's mother say she blacked out, which I take
to me pass out? What is How do you get
so upset you pass out?
Speaker 8 (08:04):
There's no greater pain in this world than death. I've
had a lot of people talk about it, and of
course I've seen it throughout my career, and it hits
you in a place that's almost primal, because, in my estimation,
you're suddenly face to face with the finality of the
end of it, the end of life.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
What happens in your body.
Speaker 8 (08:25):
It's almost like a shock, a sudden shock. And when
I say that, I'm talking about you'll have a dip
in blood pressure, you get faint, lightheaded.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
The world just.
Speaker 8 (08:37):
Seems to swim about you. I've experienced this with death
and my own family as well. I think a lot
of us have, and it's just that final realization, and
it's it's hard.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Doctor Angela Arnold renowned psychiatrists joining us in the Atlanta jurisdiction.
Angela Arnold MD dot com Doctor Angie, what I guess
Joe Scott would have a physical explanation about your blood
pressure drop? I bet you would have a psychiatric or
psychological explanation.
Speaker 6 (09:05):
Well, you know, Nancy, it's it's traumatic. So in all
of these cases, what you're describing is a trauma, and
we never know how our you know, our body has
a fight or flight response, and we just lose everything
inside of ourselves when there's such a trauma. And that's
why it's so difficult to recover from a trauma. There
(09:28):
and I understand that the mom is taking some anti
anxiety medicine, there are other there's some good types of
therapy that I can recommend for her.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
I'm going to hook you too up when we get
off the air. Dtor Angel wonderful and I want to
tell you I really appreciate you offering that. Thank you, Nancy,
because she can't get enough help right now.
Speaker 6 (09:50):
And Nancy, it's a trauma. It is a trauma, and
you have to go through. If you can go through,
it's never going to make it better or different for her.
But she has to survive because she's the survivor.
Speaker 9 (10:01):
At US.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. In the last hours, Galen
Morris learns her fate. Morris, now set to spend nearly
twenty years behind bars, found guilty for mowing down her
boyfriend Andre Smith the evening of June third, running over
(10:34):
him with her car multiple times in the parking lot
of Tilly's Pub in gril Castleton, Indiana. The sight of
her boyfriend with another woman pushed her over the edge.
That is not a defense to murder.
Speaker 7 (10:51):
Now.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
At trial, amazing, the defense attorney tried to argue that
the defendant believes her boyfriend is cheating and that she
deserves to mow him down because she's been paying his
bills occasionally his rent and he is mistreating her by cheating.
(11:13):
Now that's a new one. Interesting. I don't know if
I would have used this exact phrasing. The prosecutor said, she,
the defendant, is not the girlfriend, she's the side piece. Hmm.
What more do we know to miss Sanders, that's her
little baby and thinking about her hunched over the wheel
(11:35):
of a car at us did you say a speedway
gas station?
Speaker 7 (11:39):
Yes, ma'am, my sister, like I said, we share locations,
and to my knowledge, I passed out because when she
got there, she was shaking. I was bent over the
steering bills. She was shaking me like, get up, get up,
roast shoes get up and I woke up and she
said come on. She grabbed my arm. My nephew was
(11:59):
on the other arm, and they were taking me to
her car. That's when I woke up and noticed that
I was with my sister at that time.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
When did you next see your son Andre?
Speaker 7 (12:10):
When we got to Tilly's Pub where his body was
laying underneath a car.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
You actually saw him underneath the car.
Speaker 7 (12:22):
Yeah, the detectives would not let me come closer, but
I see his legs and his tish underneath the car.
All I wanted to do was see my child, and
they would not let me get close to him because
of the severity of his face. He was stuck underneath
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the car.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Richard Essex joining me, and earlier you heard his voice
our friend at w isaac SHTV. He is their prime
investigative reporter. You can find him on Twitter at Richard
Essex three Roman numeral three. Richard. I would feel this
way the brain feeling right now, every time I started
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a murder case, because sometimes the facts are like a
big wave, they just come and just hit you and
knock you over. And when I hear Miss Sanders talking
about passing out at that Speedway gas station, out there
all alone in her car, knowing her son is dead,
(13:31):
and then being taken and seeing him up under a
car outside a restaurant parking lot in a restaurant park
You start me off, Richard Essex, thank you for being
with us what happened that night.
Speaker 10 (13:44):
Well, from talking to the police and talking to Miss
Sanders sisters and by the way, Miss your story is heartbreaking.
Speaker 11 (13:55):
It almost brings me to tears. Just listening to you,
to what you're saying, and talking to your sisters.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
I replay that the hour or so that I spent
with them last week.
Speaker 11 (14:07):
What strikes me from all of this is how it's
impacted her family. So many of them were brought up
to Tilly's Bar as their son nephew was right there
underneath the car.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Guys, take a listen to our friends. Now at Fox
fifty nine.
Speaker 12 (14:27):
Breaking news from India's North Side. We have confirmed with
police a pedestrian was hit and killed by a car
in front of a strip mall. This happened early this morning,
round twelve thirty, near Tilly's Pub on East eighty second
Street and Dean Road. Officers say they're looking for witnesses
to try and piece together exactly.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
What happened and more from our friends at WISA. This
is Camilla Fernandez.
Speaker 11 (14:51):
Some people tell me this is an unusual occurrence for
this part of the city.
Speaker 13 (14:55):
I've never been there, but I know just this area
in general, especially with the new apartments and people are
always walking around and the customers are just always so nice.
Speaker 9 (15:06):
It's kind of disturbing a little bit because this area is.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Very clean and nice.
Speaker 8 (15:12):
People should, you know, try to get together and get along,
you know, and stop this violence.
Speaker 11 (15:18):
Police are asking anyone with any information to come forward.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Police searching for witnesses to help solve the mystery surrounding
the death of this young man. With us today his mother,
Miss Sanders, and Richard Essex along with our panel Richard
joining us from WISH So Richard, I'm hearing witnesses speaking
to Canora Fernandez stating what a nice area it is
(15:46):
and how this is very unusual, which proves to me,
just because you're in a nice area, you are not
insulated from crime. Tell me about the area where this
restaurant is well of.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
Minneapolis and an area of town that has some of
the better shops.
Speaker 11 (16:04):
There's some of the cleaner shopping malls. It is a
nice area, has been a nice, safe area for decades.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
But like every other city, major city in America.
Speaker 11 (16:19):
Indianapolis is not insulated from the violence that has been
frist crossing the country, and this particular area has seen
some spikes, as has the rest of the city. And
regardless of how nicer area is, sometimes violence creeps into
your back door.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
And what about this restaurant, Chilli's. Is it Chili's Pub?
Speaker 3 (16:40):
It's s Tilly's Pub. It has been around for a
long long time.
Speaker 11 (16:43):
It used to be a favorite with some of the
NBA players and coaches here in Indianapolis. A lot of
them live up in that area and it has been
known to bring in some higher profile people. There's expensive
shops right behind you, right out their back door.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
When you say expensive shops, what do you mean by that?
Speaker 3 (17:02):
Brooks Brothers.
Speaker 11 (17:03):
You know that type.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
It's more of a higher end shopping center.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
That's pretty high end. You know, the Golden fleece and
all that. Have you ever priced out a suit there?
Forget it? Okay, I get your drift. Fancy people, fancy stores,
a lot of money. Celebs hanging out at this bar.
NBA players hanging out at this bar. Daryl Cohen joining
(17:29):
me right now, high profile lawyer joining me out of
the Atlanta jurisdiction. Former felony prosecutor, now defense and civil attorney,
Daryl Cohen Man. I learned that pretty quickly when I
joined you at the Fulton County District Attorney's office. You
have high crime areas where people are out literally on
the streets selling dope. I tell you the first time
(17:51):
I saw that in a police report, I kicked the
officer out of court. I was knee. I didn't know
any better. The officer wrote in history report, I was
approached by a man on the corner waving a glassing bag.
I'm like, do you think I meant? I may have
used a few curse words at that time. That was
before I had the twins. You think I believe that
somebody walked up to you with a glassing bag of coke?
(18:11):
Get out a dead docted the case, all right? I
go out on the street, say three months later, in
that same area, I stopped at a red light. Guess
what happened? A guy waved a glassing bag of ope
at me. The feeling that went over my body when
I realized the copment telling me the truth. Don't worry,
(18:32):
I revived the case. Long story short. There are areas
that are high crime, and there are areas you go
to take your family to dinner and you don't think
you're going to get killed in the parking lot.
Speaker 8 (18:44):
Fancy, this is different.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
This is targeted crime.
Speaker 7 (18:47):
This happens.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
So you believe Daryl Cohen that this was targeted. I
got to agree with you. When somebody, I mean Richard Essex,
didn't the driver run over Andre three times?
Speaker 3 (18:58):
Yes, and you look back through the report, he could
even argue that it was a fourth to tenth.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Fourth attempt, so they had to run over, back up,
and run over again. Is that how it worked?
Speaker 14 (19:11):
Yes, reading through the record, she made a run at
Andrea and his friend as they were coming out of Tilly's,
and somebody deflected and she was able to maneuver her
car around and then hit him on the side and
knock him down and then ran.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Over him, run over him again twice. Guys, and then
we have a twist in the case. Take a listen
to our friends at wt h R thirteen.
Speaker 15 (19:45):
New Info and the death of the man whose girlfriend
was accused of running him over in a bar parking lot.
Court documents revealed that Gaylen Morris told Plice she did
not mean to run over Andre Smith. She actually told
Belice she meant to hit the woman that he was
with at Tilly's Pub and grill those docum It's also
revealed that Morris initially denied putting an AirTag in.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
The car to track him.
Speaker 15 (20:04):
She didn't admitted to placing it in the back seat.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
AirTag transferred intent. I didn't mean to run over him,
I meant to run over and kill her. Videos shown
that trials shows the defendant, Galen Morrison, screaming the name
of her dead boyfriend Andre Smith as she sits in
the back of a police car once she learns he's dead.
(20:26):
That bodycam video was played day two of her murder trial.
One prosecution witness testified, when somebody's in a parking lot,
you don't hear them rev up. They gain acceleration with time,
like she was at higher RPMs enough for it made
me turn around, stop directions and be like, what the
heck's going on? To watch this and see it all happen.
(20:48):
So apparently she was revving the car, The witness says,
the car stopped with Smith underneath his head near the
front left wheel. Two women he went out of the
bar were the first to talk to. Marris still talked
to the defendant. She was still sitting in the driver's seat.
To Andre's mother, Miss Lucretius Sanders, Miss Sanders, when did
(21:11):
you learn that his ex his girlfriend ex girlfriend had
confessed had admitted she ran down your boy in cold blood.
It's not if she was a drunk driver or it
was an accident. She did it on purpose.
Speaker 7 (21:31):
And see, I found out when I died on the
scene because I had seen her car. And that's when
I found out when the detective walked up to me
and told me the victim's name, I mean, the person's
name that killed.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Did you know her?
Speaker 7 (21:46):
I had met her because they've been knowing each other
for quice some time. They've been dating off and off
quite sometime. I've met her maybe three times in total.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
What does she how does she sing to you? How
did she present when you met her before?
Speaker 7 (22:05):
I really can't say, because I mean it was just
more like a high end by type of thing.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Where were you when you met her?
Speaker 7 (22:12):
He had brought her to a house that I was
standing in during that time. And this was like in
two thousand and seventeen, maybe.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
So he brought her over and met you.
Speaker 7 (22:23):
Yeah, yes, ma'am.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
And she seemed normal.
Speaker 7 (22:28):
During that time. Yes, you just seem like a regular person,
like a regular normal lady, normal girl, whatever you want
to call her. She seemed normal at that time.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
This reminds me so much of a case we'd covered
about a thirty year old pH d student, her name
Najenski Dix. She had dated a guy a couple you know, months,
maybe weeks, and he broke up. And this PhD student
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pictures of her. She looks all put together, like she's
in one of those Brooks Brothers ads. She drives across
the country, stalks his apartment, his condo, just the way
that this woman, Gayalen Morris is charged with stalking Andre
(23:20):
and then shoots him dead because he broke up with her.
Listen our friends at crime Online.
Speaker 5 (23:25):
According to Hickman's family, Dix had started stalking her former
flame after the split, and that even though she was
from out of state, she somehow found out where he
lived in Washington, d C. Shortly before five thirty pm,
police responded to reports of gunfire at the apartment complex
(23:46):
in the nation's capital. Police entered an apartment where they
found a male individual who had been shot. They found
Nadjinski Dix kneeling beside the bullet ridden body of Terry Hickman,
who was pronounced dead at the scene. Police said Dix
was holding a gun in her left hand, which officers
ordered her to put down. She was also on speakerphone
(24:09):
with someone who identified themselves to authorities as her mother.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
To stalk someone, To electronically stalk someone, in this case,
after you've been broken up with, take a list an
hour cut for this is Felicia Lawrence, Whr.
Speaker 16 (24:27):
Court documents state that Galen Morris told another woman she
had used an AirTag to track Andre Smith to Tilly's
Pub because he was cheating on her. The same woman
told police she saw Morris run over Smith three times
before getting out of the car and coming after.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
Another woman to Lapricius Sanders, joining us, this is Andre's mother.
So if these reports are in fact true, and I
have no reason to doubt them, Miss Sanders, she Galen Morris,
age twenty six, sto your son like a deer, like
a bunny rabbit. The way you follow one in a scope.
(25:09):
She stalked him with an air tag.
Speaker 7 (25:12):
Yes, ma'am, it was the AirTag.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
When did you learn that?
Speaker 7 (25:17):
I learned that. I think it was like the next
day after my son's death. The detecutive, the detective called
me and he explained to me that the young lady
had placed an air tag. I'm not gonna mention what
kind of air tag, but she placed the air tag
on the passenger seat of the car of his car.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
And they were broken up, weren't they? Hadn't he broken
up with her?
Speaker 7 (25:43):
Yes, ma'am. He had separated from her. He was currently
at my grandmother's house at you know, living with her
for a little bit, but his clothes and things were
still at the apartment that him and Galen had shared together.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
So this was a fresh breakup. Yeah, he had moved
don with his grandmother and some of his stuff steal
at the suspect's apartment. Joining me right now is Lee Reaber,
mobile device forensic expert COO of Oxygen Forensics, Ain't, an
author of Mobile Forensic Investigations A guide to Evidence collection. Wow,
(26:20):
that's pretty impressive, Lee Reaber, thank you for being with us.
Explain what is an air tag and how does that work?
Speaker 8 (26:27):
Sure?
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Sure, thanks Nancy.
Speaker 9 (26:29):
So it's really not new technology. You know, it's a
Bluetooth low energy device. So what that simply means is
your wise is bluetooth to say notify a device. So
here's an example McDonald's. McDonald's is one of the largest
(26:51):
purchasers of these beacons, Bluetooth beacons that if you're a McDonald's, uh,
and you suddenly get an AD that might come up
onto your phone, it's simple use of this bluetooth technology.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
I don't know what you're saying. I'm sorry they did
not dach me that in law school. What do you mean,
I'm Animecdonald's and an AD comes up on my phone?
Speaker 9 (27:12):
Sure, So if you go in. We'll take another example.
A lot of grocery stores will use these bluetooth beacons.
So you're going down and you're thinking about buying some soup,
and then all of a sudden, on your phone, you
now receive an AD for Campbell's Chunky soup that you
might be looking for. Those pop up on your phone. Right.
(27:35):
And so in the case of these or earned air
tag simply Apple calls us an I beacon and what
it allows people to do using the find My service
of Apple to be able to track these little tokens
if they place them on an object.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Okay, right, when you say a token, you mean the
air tag looks like, for instance, a suitcase tag that
you put on there with your name on it.
Speaker 7 (28:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (28:04):
Yeah, Just to think of it just an object, a
physical object that you can place.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Lee Reber hold on one second, I think miss Sanders
won't say, And go ahead, Miss Sanders.
Speaker 7 (28:13):
What Lee Reaver is trying to explain? I was told
that my son by the young lady that was with
him at Tilly's. He kept telling her that someone is
tracking us, but he didn't he didn't know it was
a device in his car. But he know he was
being tracked by someone, but he didn't think it was
the girl, the Galen girl, or you know, he just
(28:35):
didn't know who was. So they checked him, the young
lady was that he was with at the Silly Club.
They checked the car, They checked around. They didn't find
anything because it looked like a quarter or something. It
was underneath his passenger seat. So he knew he was
being followed, but he didn't know by who or anything
like that.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Can I wait a minute. Then Lee Reeber, how would
he have known he was being followed?
Speaker 6 (28:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (28:56):
So the interesting thing that Apple actually added was the
ability because when they first released with the air tags,
this is a big issue and it still is a
big issue with stocking, is that these sounds they weren't hearing,
They wouldn't know really that they had a device that was, say,
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following them or within their vehicle. Now Apple's actually added
so that if they have an iPhone or an eye
device it then they get a notification on their device indicating, hey,
you have an unknown device writing this.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Okay, write a minute. So let me try to translate
what you're saying into regular people talk. I think what
you just said is if some if you have, if
you're being tricked by an air tag, then you'll hear
a little book or a little something, a pain or
electronic sound notifying you that somewhere around you there's an AirTag.
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Is that what you just said?
Speaker 3 (29:59):
Correct?
Speaker 9 (29:59):
Correct?
Speaker 1 (30:00):
And so it is.
Speaker 9 (30:01):
It's because it's a it's not pair to stay your device, right,
it's an unknown it's an unknown device or air tag
that was you know, within the area that you are in.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Richard Essex joining us in wish that air tags would
be used in such a nefarious way as they were
by this woman, Galen Morris, aged twenty six, to track
down her ex Andre like a dog.
Speaker 11 (30:30):
She apparently told somebody in the parking lot that she
that there was a GPS monitoring device in his car,
and she knew that his car.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
Was in that parking lot.
Speaker 11 (30:40):
And she had been questioning people up and down in
front of this shopping area.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
Have you seen a guy that with this description inside
of the bar?
Speaker 11 (30:51):
And she was walking up and down and she saw it,
so she she knew exactly where his car was, and.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
She went up and down trying to find him.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
I'm just sick of about it. I'm just sick about it,
and over what a breakup? I mean, Miss Sanders. Has
this woman tried to communicate with you, Nancy.
Speaker 7 (31:11):
She better not try to communicate with me, because right
now my family and I are hoarded. We're hurting really
really bad. I'm lost, I'm numb. I don't feel like
I even have a soul anymore. She's my son for me.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Prime Stories with Nancy Grace in the Last Days. A
sentence goes down on a woman who mows down her lover.
Out of sheer rage because he had a date with
another woman, she tracked him with an air tag. The
first cop to arrive at the scene immediately cuffed her,
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and she admitted she tracked the victim to the bar
with an apple AirTag. She reportedly confronted the victim, they
got into an argument, and then got into an argument
with the date for the night before they were all
told to leave. The defendant left first and was waiting
in her car waiting for the boyfriend to come out.
To Andre's mother, Miss Lucretius Sanders, Miss Sanders, what was
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he like as a little boy?
Speaker 7 (32:33):
Oh man, it's full of joy. He loved to wrap,
he loved to play. He was just like a normal
typical kid. He was a love child, like everybody loves
joy like that was a love child. He was a
sweet percy. He wouldn't harm anybody. He just loved to
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put a whole clothes. He love clothes. His shooting duo.
That was that was that. He just he didn't deserve
what she did to my side.
Speaker 17 (33:05):
And you know, just Scott, what he went through, what
he went through. He did not die immediately, and to
die up under a car like that, trying to lift
up his head, trying to live. He did not die immediately,
just Scott Morgan.
Speaker 8 (33:25):
No, he didn't. And but this is uh, this is
you know, you you'll have as Darrely pointed out, just
a moment ago, he was struck multiple times. And unlike
a firearm when you use a car to facilitate something
like that, each one of these contacts leaves a specific
type of evidence relative to an individual's body. And so
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you'll have a bumper mark, remember he was. They described
it as being having him having been clipped initially, which
essentially knocks him to the ground by the bumper and
will find on his box what's referred to as a
bumper markets this a braided area. I suspect that this
isn't just blunt force trauma, Nancy. I suspect that this
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there is a compression element that is involved in this,
where there was an a sixial event that occurred.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
Are trying to say he couldn't breathe.
Speaker 8 (34:16):
Yeah, yeah, his chest couldn't rise and fall because of it.
Speaker 7 (34:20):
I can't take it. I can't take it anymore. I
have to go.
Speaker 8 (34:23):
I can't tell you.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
I can't miss Sanders. I understand, Please Jackie let her
go because this is too much for her. I mean,
doctor Angie, did you hear that the mother can't even
stand to hear these facts about her son. This is
a disorder that this girl had, but it is not insanity.
You tell me, it's some type of disorder.
Speaker 6 (34:44):
Yes, NISI there's actually a name for this. It's called
obsessive love disorder. And everything about this woman projects this
disorder to me.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
Now, I hear you're saying disorder on the street from me,
regular vernacular disorder measures you're ill. This girl is not ill.
She's angry, and yes, she's obsessed, but that is not
a defense, doctor Angie Arnold.
Speaker 6 (35:15):
No, I am not saying it's a defense. But I'll
tell you something, Nancy. The reason I bring it up
is because if other people know the signs of things
like this that they can look out for in someone
that is perhaps glomming on to their child and trying
to make a relationship with that child. People need to
be able to look out for these signs and symptoms.
(35:38):
And I think that that's I think that that's something
else that we bring to this, to what you do
on this, Okay, Nancy, I want people besides me to
know the signs and symptoms of something like this so
they can look for it.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
Right, What give me some signs and symptoms.
Speaker 7 (35:54):
Okay.
Speaker 6 (35:55):
Some of the symptoms can include, you have an overwhelming
attraction to one person. Okay, then you start to have
obsessive thoughts about that person. You may feel the need
to protect the person that you're in love with. Okay.
You also become very possessive of them, extreme jealousy over
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any kind of other interpersonal interactions that they have. And
typically the person with this disorder actually has a very
low self esteem. Okay, you'll see. You'll see them sending
repeated texts and emails and phone calls. They have a
constant need for reassurance. They have a hard time maintaining
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friendships with other people because of their obsession with this
one person. So you said, we heard in this that
they had been together for three years, and something that
really struck me was that the mother didn't really know
her very well. She had only met her like three times.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
Justice has unfolded in a court of law Galen Morris
guilty of voluntary manslaughter in the brutal death of her
boyfriend Andre Smith. But it will never bring him back,
and his mother still grieving. Goodbye friend,
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Well, there are breakups and
then there are breakups. In the last hours, a stunning
development in the case of a woman who tracks down
her boyfriend to a Castleton bar, Tilly's Pub and grill
(00:34):
by way of an air tag, convinced he's with another woman,
and when she sees him in the parking lot, she
mows him down, not just once, but making sure she
backs up and drives over him again, killing him. I'm
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Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being
with us here at Crime Stories and on Serious XM
one eleven. What was this woman thinking? Galen Marris Young
attractive the world before her, but she just can't stand
it when her boyfriend Andre, she's convinced anyway, is with
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another woman. The two were not married, they could date
other people, they didn't share a child together. Nothing know
anything in the last hours, a jury speaks. So how
did this whole thing unfold? First of all, take a
listen to our friends at WISHTV.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Smith was pronounced dead just before one o'clock Friday morning.
His family had rushed to the scene on eat eighty
second Street. Many of them saw his lifeless body trapped
under a car.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
It's a memory that will haunt them forever.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
To like an edible industry.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
I don't want nobody to love me that hard.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
If you've got to take my life, the emotions are
still very wrong. Smith's ants, Bredika and Sandra Day, described
the last minutes of their nephew's life.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Car crying for help as he was trying to raise
his kid up.
Speaker 5 (02:23):
Ran over my ears.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
And don't get it a strength this young man, this
beautiful young man, really at the beginning of his life,
Andre Smith. The thought of him being mowed down seemingly
on purpose under that cart, trying to trying to get up,
(02:51):
trying to raise up before he died. Did you hear
the crying and the sobs in the background. Take a
listen again to our friend Richard Essex at w I
SHTV is is Kapelli overwhelming.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Within minutes, Smith was pronounced dead by the Indianapolis Fire Department.
His last moments are replayed in the collective memory of
his family, and.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
It replays every time I bleink right now, it replays
every time we have to talk about it, or if.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
I'm sleep at night. So I can.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
Only imagine how my sister is feeling right now. I
could only imagine it's one thing to you know, injure
or wound a person, but to take a life.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
While they are are yelling for help, help me.
Speaker 6 (03:52):
A young man and a young lady inside of Calli's.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Whoever you are, our hearts go.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
Out to you and we date you from the bottom
of our hearts. Day ran out of the air.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
And even in the midst of all that pain, Andre's
family thanking two of the patrons in the restaurant that
came out and tried to help, but to no avail.
With me an all star panel to make sense of
what we know right now in the brutal murder of
this young man in the prime of his life, growing
up into the man his mother wanted him to be. First,
(04:31):
I want to go to a special guest joining us.
This is Andre's mother, Miss Sanders. I do not know
how you have the strength to put one foot in
front of the other. I'm just so sorry, miss Sanders,
what you're going through. First of all, what are your
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days and nights like as you relive over and over
life that your son was killed.
Speaker 7 (05:02):
Nancy, it's hard for me to sleep at night. I
can't focus during the day. It's my son's death is
wane heavy on my heart. I just it's horrible, Like
I can't stop thinking about my son and I wish
(05:24):
I could have been here to help them.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
How do you get through the day.
Speaker 7 (05:30):
I'm currently taking anxiety medications. I can't. I have to
take them throughout the day because if I don't, I'm
crying all day. I keep crying and crying and crying.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
When did you learn Do you remember that moment you
learned Andre had been mowed down?
Speaker 7 (05:48):
Yes, I remember it. I can't forget it. I had
gotten a call from one of my family members and
told me that my son, this was the worst that
came out of my family members out that he wasn't responding,
and I'm like, I asked my family member, who are
you talking about, and he stated Andre. I immediately rushed
(06:11):
to Community North Hospital in Indianapolis looking for my son.
I had no idea what was going on. I just
was looking for my baby, and I was going crazy
at that time because I hadn't gotten a call from
the police or anyone. So I ran to Community North
Hospital looking for my baby and he wasn't there.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
So you're at the hospital, what happened when you got
to the hospital.
Speaker 7 (06:35):
They he didn't have any information on my son Andre.
So a family member had reached out at this time
with my sister. Because I had blacked out, I had
parked somewhere. My sister found me and she came and
got me, and my sister ended up talking to one
of the family members and they explained to us where
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my son's body.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Was located in heaven. Did you say you blacked out?
Speaker 7 (07:04):
Yeah, like my sister, she was able. I guess me
and her we share locations, so she found where I
was at. I was at a speedway gas station near
my home. I guess I was driving out of my
apartment and my condo and I ended up at a
speedway and my sister found me. When she found me,
somehow I came back to my senses and then that's
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where we continued on to go where the family member
told me my son's body was.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Joe Scott Morgan with me Joe Scott, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville
State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon
Death Investigator Starving You Hit series Body Bags with Joseph
Scott Morgan on iHeart I could go on. But Joe Scott,
what is that? Because you heard miss Sanders, this is
(07:54):
Andre Smith's mother say she blacked out, which I take
to me pass out? What is How do you get
so upset you pass out?
Speaker 8 (08:04):
There's no greater pain in this world than death. I've
had a lot of people talk about it, and of
course I've seen it throughout my career, and it hits
you in a place that's almost primal, because, in my estimation,
you're suddenly face to face with the finality of the
end of it, the end of life.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
What happens in your body.
Speaker 8 (08:25):
It's almost like a shock, a sudden shock. And when
I say that, I'm talking about you'll have a dip
in blood pressure, you get faint, lightheaded.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
The world just.
Speaker 8 (08:37):
Seems to swim about you. I've experienced this with death
and my own family as well. I think a lot
of us have, and it's just that final realization, and
it's it's hard.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Doctor Angela Arnold renowned psychiatrists joining us in the Atlanta jurisdiction.
Angela Arnold MD dot com Doctor Angie, what I guess
Joe Scott would have a physical explanation about your blood
pressure drop? I bet you would have a psychiatric or
psychological explanation.
Speaker 6 (09:05):
Well, you know, Nancy, it's it's traumatic. So in all
of these cases, what you're describing is a trauma, and
we never know how our you know, our body has
a fight or flight response, and we just lose everything
inside of ourselves when there's such a trauma. And that's
why it's so difficult to recover from a trauma. There
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and I understand that the mom is taking some anti
anxiety medicine, there are other there's some good types of
therapy that I can recommend for her.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
I'm going to hook you too up when we get
off the air. Dtor Angel wonderful and I want to
tell you I really appreciate you offering that. Thank you, Nancy,
because she can't get enough help right now.
Speaker 6 (09:50):
And Nancy, it's a trauma. It is a trauma, and
you have to go through. If you can go through,
it's never going to make it better or different for her.
But she has to survive because she's the survivor.
Speaker 9 (10:01):
At US.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. In the last hours, Galen
Morris learns her fate. Morris, now set to spend nearly
twenty years behind bars, found guilty for mowing down her
boyfriend Andre Smith the evening of June third, running over
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him with her car multiple times in the parking lot
of Tilly's Pub in gril Castleton, Indiana. The sight of
her boyfriend with another woman pushed her over the edge.
That is not a defense to murder.
Speaker 7 (10:51):
Now.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
At trial, amazing, the defense attorney tried to argue that
the defendant believes her boyfriend is cheating and that she
deserves to mow him down because she's been paying his
bills occasionally his rent and he is mistreating her by cheating.
(11:13):
Now that's a new one. Interesting. I don't know if
I would have used this exact phrasing. The prosecutor said, she,
the defendant, is not the girlfriend, she's the side piece. Hmm.
What more do we know to miss Sanders, that's her
little baby and thinking about her hunched over the wheel
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of a car at us did you say a speedway
gas station?
Speaker 7 (11:39):
Yes, ma'am, my sister, like I said, we share locations,
and to my knowledge, I passed out because when she
got there, she was shaking. I was bent over the
steering bills. She was shaking me like, get up, get up,
roast shoes get up and I woke up and she
said come on. She grabbed my arm. My nephew was
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on the other arm, and they were taking me to
her car. That's when I woke up and noticed that
I was with my sister at that time.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
When did you next see your son Andre?
Speaker 7 (12:10):
When we got to Tilly's Pub where his body was
laying underneath a car.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
You actually saw him underneath the car.
Speaker 7 (12:22):
Yeah, the detectives would not let me come closer, but
I see his legs and his tish underneath the car.
All I wanted to do was see my child, and
they would not let me get close to him because
of the severity of his face. He was stuck underneath
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the car.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Richard Essex joining me, and earlier you heard his voice
our friend at w isaac SHTV. He is their prime
investigative reporter. You can find him on Twitter at Richard
Essex three Roman numeral three. Richard. I would feel this
way the brain feeling right now, every time I started
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a murder case, because sometimes the facts are like a
big wave, they just come and just hit you and
knock you over. And when I hear Miss Sanders talking
about passing out at that Speedway gas station, out there
all alone in her car, knowing her son is dead,
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and then being taken and seeing him up under a
car outside a restaurant parking lot in a restaurant park
You start me off, Richard Essex, thank you for being
with us what happened that night.
Speaker 10 (13:44):
Well, from talking to the police and talking to Miss
Sanders sisters and by the way, Miss your story is heartbreaking.
Speaker 11 (13:55):
It almost brings me to tears. Just listening to you,
to what you're saying, and talking to your sisters.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
I replay that the hour or so that I spent
with them last week.
Speaker 11 (14:07):
What strikes me from all of this is how it's
impacted her family. So many of them were brought up
to Tilly's Bar as their son nephew was right there
underneath the car.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Guys, take a listen to our friends. Now at Fox
fifty nine.
Speaker 12 (14:27):
Breaking news from India's North Side. We have confirmed with
police a pedestrian was hit and killed by a car
in front of a strip mall. This happened early this morning,
round twelve thirty, near Tilly's Pub on East eighty second
Street and Dean Road. Officers say they're looking for witnesses
to try and piece together exactly.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
What happened and more from our friends at WISA. This
is Camilla Fernandez.
Speaker 11 (14:51):
Some people tell me this is an unusual occurrence for
this part of the city.
Speaker 13 (14:55):
I've never been there, but I know just this area
in general, especially with the new apartments and people are
always walking around and the customers are just always so nice.
Speaker 9 (15:06):
It's kind of disturbing a little bit because this area is.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Very clean and nice.
Speaker 8 (15:12):
People should, you know, try to get together and get along,
you know, and stop this violence.
Speaker 11 (15:18):
Police are asking anyone with any information to come forward.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Police searching for witnesses to help solve the mystery surrounding
the death of this young man. With us today his mother,
Miss Sanders, and Richard Essex along with our panel Richard
joining us from WISH So Richard, I'm hearing witnesses speaking
to Canora Fernandez stating what a nice area it is
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and how this is very unusual, which proves to me,
just because you're in a nice area, you are not
insulated from crime. Tell me about the area where this
restaurant is well of.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
Minneapolis and an area of town that has some of
the better shops.
Speaker 11 (16:04):
There's some of the cleaner shopping malls. It is a
nice area, has been a nice, safe area for decades.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
But like every other city, major city in America.
Speaker 11 (16:19):
Indianapolis is not insulated from the violence that has been
frist crossing the country, and this particular area has seen
some spikes, as has the rest of the city. And
regardless of how nicer area is, sometimes violence creeps into
your back door.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
And what about this restaurant, Chilli's. Is it Chili's Pub?
Speaker 3 (16:40):
It's s Tilly's Pub. It has been around for a
long long time.
Speaker 11 (16:43):
It used to be a favorite with some of the
NBA players and coaches here in Indianapolis. A lot of
them live up in that area and it has been
known to bring in some higher profile people. There's expensive
shops right behind you, right out their back door.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
When you say expensive shops, what do you mean by that?
Speaker 3 (17:02):
Brooks Brothers.
Speaker 11 (17:03):
You know that type.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
It's more of a higher end shopping center.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
That's pretty high end. You know, the Golden fleece and
all that. Have you ever priced out a suit there?
Forget it? Okay, I get your drift. Fancy people, fancy stores,
a lot of money. Celebs hanging out at this bar.
NBA players hanging out at this bar. Daryl Cohen joining
(17:29):
me right now, high profile lawyer joining me out of
the Atlanta jurisdiction. Former felony prosecutor, now defense and civil attorney,
Daryl Cohen Man. I learned that pretty quickly when I
joined you at the Fulton County District Attorney's office. You
have high crime areas where people are out literally on
the streets selling dope. I tell you the first time
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I saw that in a police report, I kicked the
officer out of court. I was knee. I didn't know
any better. The officer wrote in history report, I was
approached by a man on the corner waving a glassing bag.
I'm like, do you think I meant? I may have
used a few curse words at that time. That was
before I had the twins. You think I believe that
somebody walked up to you with a glassing bag of coke?
(18:11):
Get out a dead docted the case, all right? I
go out on the street, say three months later, in
that same area, I stopped at a red light. Guess
what happened? A guy waved a glassing bag of ope
at me. The feeling that went over my body when
I realized the copment telling me the truth. Don't worry,
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I revived the case. Long story short. There are areas
that are high crime, and there are areas you go
to take your family to dinner and you don't think
you're going to get killed in the parking lot.
Speaker 8 (18:44):
Fancy, this is different.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
This is targeted crime.
Speaker 7 (18:47):
This happens.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
So you believe Daryl Cohen that this was targeted. I
got to agree with you. When somebody, I mean Richard Essex,
didn't the driver run over Andre three times?
Speaker 3 (18:58):
Yes, and you look back through the report, he could
even argue that it was a fourth to tenth.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Fourth attempt, so they had to run over, back up,
and run over again. Is that how it worked?
Speaker 14 (19:11):
Yes, reading through the record, she made a run at
Andrea and his friend as they were coming out of Tilly's,
and somebody deflected and she was able to maneuver her
car around and then hit him on the side and
knock him down and then ran.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Over him, run over him again twice. Guys, and then
we have a twist in the case. Take a listen
to our friends at wt h R thirteen.
Speaker 15 (19:45):
New Info and the death of the man whose girlfriend
was accused of running him over in a bar parking lot.
Court documents revealed that Gaylen Morris told Plice she did
not mean to run over Andre Smith. She actually told
Belice she meant to hit the woman that he was
with at Tilly's Pub and grill those docum It's also
revealed that Morris initially denied putting an AirTag in.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
The car to track him.
Speaker 15 (20:04):
She didn't admitted to placing it in the back seat.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
AirTag transferred intent. I didn't mean to run over him,
I meant to run over and kill her. Videos shown
that trials shows the defendant, Galen Morrison, screaming the name
of her dead boyfriend Andre Smith as she sits in
the back of a police car once she learns he's dead.
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That bodycam video was played day two of her murder trial.
One prosecution witness testified, when somebody's in a parking lot,
you don't hear them rev up. They gain acceleration with time,
like she was at higher RPMs enough for it made
me turn around, stop directions and be like, what the
heck's going on? To watch this and see it all happen.
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So apparently she was revving the car, The witness says,
the car stopped with Smith underneath his head near the
front left wheel. Two women he went out of the
bar were the first to talk to. Marris still talked
to the defendant. She was still sitting in the driver's seat.
To Andre's mother, Miss Lucretius Sanders, Miss Sanders, when did
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you learn that his ex his girlfriend ex girlfriend had
confessed had admitted she ran down your boy in cold blood.
It's not if she was a drunk driver or it
was an accident. She did it on purpose.
Speaker 7 (21:31):
And see, I found out when I died on the
scene because I had seen her car. And that's when
I found out when the detective walked up to me
and told me the victim's name, I mean, the person's
name that killed.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Did you know her?
Speaker 7 (21:46):
I had met her because they've been knowing each other
for quice some time. They've been dating off and off
quite sometime. I've met her maybe three times in total.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
What does she how does she sing to you? How
did she present when you met her before?
Speaker 7 (22:05):
I really can't say, because I mean it was just
more like a high end by type of thing.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Where were you when you met her?
Speaker 7 (22:12):
He had brought her to a house that I was
standing in during that time. And this was like in
two thousand and seventeen, maybe.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
So he brought her over and met you.
Speaker 7 (22:23):
Yeah, yes, ma'am.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
And she seemed normal.
Speaker 7 (22:28):
During that time. Yes, you just seem like a regular person,
like a regular normal lady, normal girl, whatever you want
to call her. She seemed normal at that time.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
This reminds me so much of a case we'd covered
about a thirty year old pH d student, her name
Najenski Dix. She had dated a guy a couple you know, months,
maybe weeks, and he broke up. And this PhD student
(23:00):
pictures of her. She looks all put together, like she's
in one of those Brooks Brothers ads. She drives across
the country, stalks his apartment, his condo, just the way
that this woman, Gayalen Morris is charged with stalking Andre
(23:20):
and then shoots him dead because he broke up with her.
Listen our friends at crime Online.
Speaker 5 (23:25):
According to Hickman's family, Dix had started stalking her former
flame after the split, and that even though she was
from out of state, she somehow found out where he
lived in Washington, d C. Shortly before five thirty pm,
police responded to reports of gunfire at the apartment complex
(23:46):
in the nation's capital. Police entered an apartment where they
found a male individual who had been shot. They found
Nadjinski Dix kneeling beside the bullet ridden body of Terry Hickman,
who was pronounced dead at the scene. Police said Dix
was holding a gun in her left hand, which officers
ordered her to put down. She was also on speakerphone
(24:09):
with someone who identified themselves to authorities as her mother.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
To stalk someone, To electronically stalk someone, in this case,
after you've been broken up with, take a list an
hour cut for this is Felicia Lawrence, Whr.
Speaker 16 (24:27):
Court documents state that Galen Morris told another woman she
had used an AirTag to track Andre Smith to Tilly's
Pub because he was cheating on her. The same woman
told police she saw Morris run over Smith three times
before getting out of the car and coming after.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
Another woman to Lapricius Sanders, joining us, this is Andre's mother.
So if these reports are in fact true, and I
have no reason to doubt them, Miss Sanders, she Galen Morris,
age twenty six, sto your son like a deer, like
a bunny rabbit. The way you follow one in a scope.
(25:09):
She stalked him with an air tag.
Speaker 7 (25:12):
Yes, ma'am, it was the AirTag.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
When did you learn that?
Speaker 7 (25:17):
I learned that. I think it was like the next
day after my son's death. The detecutive, the detective called
me and he explained to me that the young lady
had placed an air tag. I'm not gonna mention what
kind of air tag, but she placed the air tag
on the passenger seat of the car of his car.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
And they were broken up, weren't they? Hadn't he broken
up with her?
Speaker 7 (25:43):
Yes, ma'am. He had separated from her. He was currently
at my grandmother's house at you know, living with her
for a little bit, but his clothes and things were
still at the apartment that him and Galen had shared together.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
So this was a fresh breakup. Yeah, he had moved
don with his grandmother and some of his stuff steal
at the suspect's apartment. Joining me right now is Lee Reaber,
mobile device forensic expert COO of Oxygen Forensics, Ain't, an
author of Mobile Forensic Investigations A guide to Evidence collection. Wow,
(26:20):
that's pretty impressive, Lee Reaber, thank you for being with us.
Explain what is an air tag and how does that work?
Speaker 8 (26:27):
Sure?
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Sure, thanks Nancy.
Speaker 9 (26:29):
So it's really not new technology. You know, it's a
Bluetooth low energy device. So what that simply means is
your wise is bluetooth to say notify a device. So
here's an example McDonald's. McDonald's is one of the largest
(26:51):
purchasers of these beacons, Bluetooth beacons that if you're a McDonald's, uh,
and you suddenly get an AD that might come up
onto your phone, it's simple use of this bluetooth technology.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
I don't know what you're saying. I'm sorry they did
not dach me that in law school. What do you mean,
I'm Animecdonald's and an AD comes up on my phone?
Speaker 9 (27:12):
Sure, So if you go in. We'll take another example.
A lot of grocery stores will use these bluetooth beacons.
So you're going down and you're thinking about buying some soup,
and then all of a sudden, on your phone, you
now receive an AD for Campbell's Chunky soup that you
might be looking for. Those pop up on your phone. Right.
(27:35):
And so in the case of these or earned air
tag simply Apple calls us an I beacon and what
it allows people to do using the find My service
of Apple to be able to track these little tokens
if they place them on an object.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Okay, right, when you say a token, you mean the
air tag looks like, for instance, a suitcase tag that
you put on there with your name on it.
Speaker 7 (28:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (28:04):
Yeah, Just to think of it just an object, a
physical object that you can place.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Lee Reber hold on one second, I think miss Sanders
won't say, And go ahead, Miss Sanders.
Speaker 7 (28:13):
What Lee Reaver is trying to explain? I was told
that my son by the young lady that was with
him at Tilly's. He kept telling her that someone is
tracking us, but he didn't he didn't know it was
a device in his car. But he know he was
being tracked by someone, but he didn't think it was
the girl, the Galen girl, or you know, he just
(28:35):
didn't know who was. So they checked him, the young
lady was that he was with at the Silly Club.
They checked the car, They checked around. They didn't find
anything because it looked like a quarter or something. It
was underneath his passenger seat. So he knew he was
being followed, but he didn't know by who or anything
like that.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Can I wait a minute. Then Lee Reeber, how would
he have known he was being followed?
Speaker 6 (28:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (28:56):
So the interesting thing that Apple actually added was the
ability because when they first released with the air tags,
this is a big issue and it still is a
big issue with stocking, is that these sounds they weren't hearing,
They wouldn't know really that they had a device that was, say,
(29:21):
following them or within their vehicle. Now Apple's actually added
so that if they have an iPhone or an eye
device it then they get a notification on their device indicating, hey,
you have an unknown device writing this.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Okay, write a minute. So let me try to translate
what you're saying into regular people talk. I think what
you just said is if some if you have, if
you're being tricked by an air tag, then you'll hear
a little book or a little something, a pain or
electronic sound notifying you that somewhere around you there's an AirTag.
(29:58):
Is that what you just said?
Speaker 3 (29:59):
Correct?
Speaker 9 (29:59):
Correct?
Speaker 1 (30:00):
And so it is.
Speaker 9 (30:01):
It's because it's a it's not pair to stay your device, right,
it's an unknown it's an unknown device or air tag
that was you know, within the area that you are in.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Richard Essex joining us in wish that air tags would
be used in such a nefarious way as they were
by this woman, Galen Morris, aged twenty six, to track
down her ex Andre like a dog.
Speaker 11 (30:30):
She apparently told somebody in the parking lot that she
that there was a GPS monitoring device in his car,
and she knew that his car.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
Was in that parking lot.
Speaker 11 (30:40):
And she had been questioning people up and down in
front of this shopping area.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
Have you seen a guy that with this description inside
of the bar?
Speaker 11 (30:51):
And she was walking up and down and she saw it,
so she she knew exactly where his car was, and.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
She went up and down trying to find him.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
I'm just sick of about it. I'm just sick about it,
and over what a breakup? I mean, Miss Sanders. Has
this woman tried to communicate with you, Nancy.
Speaker 7 (31:11):
She better not try to communicate with me, because right
now my family and I are hoarded. We're hurting really
really bad. I'm lost, I'm numb. I don't feel like
I even have a soul anymore. She's my son for me.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Prime Stories with Nancy Grace in the Last Days. A
sentence goes down on a woman who mows down her lover.
Out of sheer rage because he had a date with
another woman, she tracked him with an air tag. The
first cop to arrive at the scene immediately cuffed her,
(32:06):
and she admitted she tracked the victim to the bar
with an apple AirTag. She reportedly confronted the victim, they
got into an argument, and then got into an argument
with the date for the night before they were all
told to leave. The defendant left first and was waiting
in her car waiting for the boyfriend to come out.
To Andre's mother, Miss Lucretius Sanders, Miss Sanders, what was
(32:32):
he like as a little boy?
Speaker 7 (32:33):
Oh man, it's full of joy. He loved to wrap,
he loved to play. He was just like a normal
typical kid. He was a love child, like everybody loves
joy like that was a love child. He was a
sweet percy. He wouldn't harm anybody. He just loved to
(32:54):
put a whole clothes. He love clothes. His shooting duo.
That was that was that. He just he didn't deserve
what she did to my side.
Speaker 17 (33:05):
And you know, just Scott, what he went through, what
he went through. He did not die immediately, and to
die up under a car like that, trying to lift
up his head, trying to live. He did not die immediately,
just Scott Morgan.
Speaker 8 (33:25):
No, he didn't. And but this is uh, this is
you know, you you'll have as Darrely pointed out, just
a moment ago, he was struck multiple times. And unlike
a firearm when you use a car to facilitate something
like that, each one of these contacts leaves a specific
type of evidence relative to an individual's body. And so
(33:48):
you'll have a bumper mark, remember he was. They described
it as being having him having been clipped initially, which
essentially knocks him to the ground by the bumper and
will find on his box what's referred to as a
bumper markets this a braided area. I suspect that this
isn't just blunt force trauma, Nancy. I suspect that this
(34:09):
there is a compression element that is involved in this,
where there was an a sixial event that occurred.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
Are trying to say he couldn't breathe.
Speaker 8 (34:16):
Yeah, yeah, his chest couldn't rise and fall because of it.
Speaker 7 (34:20):
I can't take it. I can't take it anymore. I
have to go.
Speaker 8 (34:23):
I can't tell you.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
I can't miss Sanders. I understand, Please Jackie let her
go because this is too much for her. I mean,
doctor Angie, did you hear that the mother can't even
stand to hear these facts about her son. This is
a disorder that this girl had, but it is not insanity.
You tell me, it's some type of disorder.
Speaker 6 (34:44):
Yes, NISI there's actually a name for this. It's called
obsessive love disorder. And everything about this woman projects this
disorder to me.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
Now, I hear you're saying disorder on the street from me,
regular vernacular disorder measures you're ill. This girl is not ill.
She's angry, and yes, she's obsessed, but that is not
a defense, doctor Angie Arnold.
Speaker 6 (35:15):
No, I am not saying it's a defense. But I'll
tell you something, Nancy. The reason I bring it up
is because if other people know the signs of things
like this that they can look out for in someone
that is perhaps glomming on to their child and trying
to make a relationship with that child. People need to
be able to look out for these signs and symptoms.
(35:38):
And I think that that's I think that that's something
else that we bring to this, to what you do
on this, Okay, Nancy, I want people besides me to
know the signs and symptoms of something like this so
they can look for it.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
Right, What give me some signs and symptoms.
Speaker 7 (35:54):
Okay.
Speaker 6 (35:55):
Some of the symptoms can include, you have an overwhelming
attraction to one person. Okay, then you start to have
obsessive thoughts about that person. You may feel the need
to protect the person that you're in love with. Okay.
You also become very possessive of them, extreme jealousy over
(36:17):
any kind of other interpersonal interactions that they have. And
typically the person with this disorder actually has a very
low self esteem. Okay, you'll see. You'll see them sending
repeated texts and emails and phone calls. They have a
constant need for reassurance. They have a hard time maintaining
(36:41):
friendships with other people because of their obsession with this
one person. So you said, we heard in this that
they had been together for three years, and something that
really struck me was that the mother didn't really know
her very well. She had only met her like three times.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
Justice has unfolded in a court of law Galen Morris
guilty of voluntary manslaughter in the brutal death of her
boyfriend Andre Smith. But it will never bring him back,
and his mother still grieving. Goodbye friend,
Host
Nancy Grace
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