January 11, 2022 • 37 mins
A Florida woman spends the day with her family, letting them know she has planned a trip to Wekiwa Springs State Park the next day. Paola Marie Maranda-Rosa is seen in the park. That's been over three weeks now. Other hikers took pictures and videos of the 31-year-old Orlando woman in the water. Her car and cellphone were found, but not Paola.
Joining Nancy Grace today;
- "Turtleman” Chris Adams - Swamp Survival Expert, Facebook: Living Wild, TikTok @GAturtleman
- Dale Carson - High profile attorney, (Jacksonville), Former FBI Agent, Former Police Officer, Author: "Arrest-Proof Yourself, DaleCarsonLaw.com
- Caryn Stark - NYC Psychologist, www.carynstark.com, Twitter: @carynpsych, Facebook: "Caryn Stark"
- Lisa M. Dadio - Former Police Lieutenant, New Haven Police Department, Senior Lecturer, Director of the "Center for Advanced Policing" at the University of New Haven's Forensic Science Department
- Nicole Partin - CrimeOnline.com Investigative Reporter, Twitter: @nicolepartin (Naples, FL)
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A gorgeous woman disappears on
the edges of a well known and popular swamp forest.
What happened to Paola Miranda Rosa? Absolutely stunning with a
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loving family, lots of friends. Why has her case not
been solved? As the days to buy? Where is Paola?
First of all, take a listen to our friends at
Fox thirty five. It's hard to even focus on the
fact that it's the holiday season. I don't know what
they it is right now. Andrea Miranda says it has
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been a whirlwind since her sister, thirty one year old
Paola Miransa Rosa of Asiola, accounts he went missing last week.
We've see Christmas slates around this. We see that, but
your tunnel mission on the mension of finding her. Her
family reported Paola missing Sunday after they had not heard
from her since Friday. Monday, they started making flyers and
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searching the area, and they eventually found her car at
with khaih Whi Spring State Park on Tuesday. Guys, we've
got to help find this woman. Her family's so distraught,
and what concerns me is that people saw her waiting
in the water. They took pictures of her, but they
didn't comment or speak to her. That the facts surrounding
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Paola's disappearance are studying. We want to find this woman
the tip line four zero seven three four eight two
two two two. And I find it highly significant that
her family is raising funds for a private investigator. Joining
me and All Star palel to make sense of what
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we know right now. Lisa daddy O, former police lieutenant.
You have a police department and senior lecturer at the
Center for Advanced Policing where she's Director. Karen Start, renowned
psychologists joining us out of Manhattan at Karen Stark dot com.
Dale Carson, high profile lawyer joining us out of Jacksonville.
Former fed with the FBI, author of Arrest Proof of Yourself.
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He's at del Carson Law dot com. A very special
guest joining us. He will remember him from the Gabby
Petito Brian laundry case. He's known as the Turtleman, Chris
Adams swap survival expert. You can find him on Facebook
at Living Wild, on TikTok at Georgia Turtleman, and you're
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gonna see why he's so important. Nicole Parton first to
you Nicole parton Crime online dot Com investigative reporter, Explain
to me where Paola was last seen? So December seventeen,
she spends a great day with her family, her grandmother,
her uncle, her mother. They have lunch together. She leads
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there later in the day. You say there, Nicole, who
what where her wife? When? Don't say there? Where? Where?
She leaves her grandmother's home, which is on Simona Avenue
in Orlando? Or thank you? Have you ever heard of
that game? Twin one questions? Don't let me play that.
I'm a j D, not a DDS. Don't know how
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to pull it too. So Orlando. She's at Orlando lunchtime,
December seventeen. Is that correct? Yeah? To see how easy
that just came off my tongue. Orlando, December seventeen. Okay,
Then what happened? She left there? She went to a
doctor's appointment. Jar's confirmation that she made that appointment, saw
the doctor. After that, she returned to her home again
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in Orlando. Did she live one day? Did she live
along with her Twitter doggies? Yeah? Okay, go ahead. December eighteen,
she makes an ATM deposit at the bank. You know
that's interesting deposit versus withdrawal. I'll circle back with that
with you, Dell Carson. But a deposit, not a withdrawal. Okay,
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go ahead. After that bank deposit, she heads down to
which she was state park, which she had planned to do. Okay,
go ahead. Where's that? And that's about a thirty five
to forty minute drive about twenty miles north of her
home in Orlando. Did she take her dogs? She did
not take her dog would she normally have? No And
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her family knew that she was going. She had told them, Hey,
I'm going up to the state park tomorrow, so it
was a planned visit to the state She a hiker
or a jogger, a nature enthusiast. She did enjoy the outdoors.
She didn't see Land's interesting. That's interesting because I tell
my children we're going to go in to nature hike
and they go, oh, Mom, not another tree. Do you
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know how much that breaks my heart? Since I taught
tree identification on a national forest. I want them to
love nature, and they do love nature, but not necessarily
my nature walks. So she goes on on her own volition.
She goes to you're saying with Kiwa State Park twenty
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miles north of Orlando. Yes, that's correct. Okay, is she
spotted there? She is? Um, So at that point, let's
let's skip a day and then we're going to come back.
So December twenty two, authorities located you left off December eighteen.
One day would be December nineteen. December nineteen, there's nothing, okay,
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December twenty nothing, December twenty one, nothing, December twenty two.
By now, her family has reported her missing and police
locate her black two thousand and eleven Chevy h h R.
Her car parked at the state park. H what h
h R. It's a it's a Chevrolet vehicle, a little car,
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Okay at the state park. Yes, and very quickly they
find the car. There any signs of foul play, No
signs of foul play, was the carlark? The car was locked,
where the keys enter out of the car are not found?
That was not found, not disclosed. Okay, I'm letta start
right there, guys. We were talking about uh, Paola Miranda
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Rosa stunning beautiful, spends the holidays with her family, but
then December eighteen, is he just here? From Crime online
dot Com investigative reporting Nicole Parton, she goes to with
Kiwa State Park. Enter the Turtleman Chris Adams. You can
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find him on Facebook, Living Wild, TikTok Georgia Turtleman Chris Adams.
I assume you've seen the photo of Paola in the water.
Did you see that? The photo actually, to me almost
doesn't look It looks like a beautiful drawing or set
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up photo. She's in this beautiful swamp area with a
tree canopy over her, and she's wading into the water,
you know, for a swim. And I was curious why
complete strangers thought that was a good picture to take.
Why would they take that picture? Tell me about where
she was? That was my initial thought, as well as
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why were these hikers she was randomly taking a photo
or a video of this other person on the trail.
The thing is she wasn't on the trail. Understanding is
that was an area that swimming waiting was not permitted in.
So I guess to their surprise, they saw this individual
in the water and they thought it strange enough to
take video or photo of that. Tell me about this
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is a swamp is it not. With Kiwa State Park
by the Chicago River right there runs out of the
park but as with any river, you've got the floodplain
off to the side, which makes you know dozens of
little gullies and swimming hole areas. That's nothing more than
a river swamp. So yes, I'm looking at the video
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right now. Is that her hair she's got long brown hair.
Is that her hair down her back? Or does she
have on a backpack? It looks like a backpack or
a swim shirt of some sort, like a tank top
over her shirt. Have you looked at that. I've looked
at the photo, but it's kind of grainy to me.
I thought it could be either Time Stories with Nancy Grace. Okay,
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now I want you to tell me about the area.
Why would you not go swimming in that water? It's
just I'm just looking at this picture because everything about
it to me, Jackie is screaming alert read alert. But
I mean, I'm a trial lawyer. I put the bad
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guys behind bars, that's my thing. But I don't even
know what I'm seeing. Chris Adams, you're the survival expert.
What's wrong with this picture? Well, going back to twenty fifteen,
on the same section a river, there was a reported
alligator attack with a woman who lost part of her
arm to a larger alligator. And mind you that alligator
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attacks are pretty rare, but it is always a possibility,
especially in an area such as that. I mean, you
show me a cup of water in Florida, I'll show
you an alligator. But that area she was in is
only about hit deep, so where she was waiting through,
one would think that she might be able to see
an alligator or any individual see an alligator in that
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amount of water. But I have run up on roadside
ditches with no more than eight inches of water and
there'd be an alligator laid in it that you wouldn't
see unless you a keen eye for it. So there's
always a possibility that river has alligators, just like every
other spot of water in Florida. So you take for
caution anywhere you put your feed in. Okay, I'm trying
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to take in everything you're you're saying, well, you're saying
to me, Chris Adams aka swamp man, excuse me, turtleman.
It's like drinking from a fire hydra. It's too much
tooth asked now, if I were to start throwing a
lot of Latin legal terms that you like, non secretary
racips a loquatory. You go, what that's what's happening to
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me right now. So, just for my benefit and for
our friends here in the studio, could you tell me
what you just said one more time, because the thing
that jumps out at me, Chris Adams, is that I
see her alone out in the water. And you're right,
it's just barely up to her hips. Who would worry
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about that? But nobody else is in the water. I
don't see any other watercraft, no ski, do boat, no pontoon, nothing,
And just my instinct is there's a reason why she's
the only one in the water. Now, tell me everything
you just said one more time, Chris. That's an area
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to my understanding that swimming is not permitted swimming or waiting. Well,
there's no signs saying that. I believe there are another
sections of the park. Well not right there, Chris. I'm
looking right at it. I don't see any sign But
I mean when you pass signs going in it' say
bewarey gay ors. I don't know if there were any,
but I don't see any right there. Guys with me
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an all star panel to make sense of what we
know right now about a gorgeous young woman missing. We
know that she had already put Christmas presents under the
tree that she planned to give her family and her
furry babies. I think she had four animals, that she
had just spent an afternoon with her family at a
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kind of a Christmas celebration lunch and then suddenly drops
literally off the mat. But I'm not buying that this
woman did not drop off the match. She did not
intend to go missing. Her car locked and in the
correct position at the state park. Take a listen to
our cut to This is jesse Canalis Spectrums thirteen. The
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thirty one year old went missing the week before Christmas.
Faulla was with her grandmother on Friday eighty seven, seventeen
and was supposed to meet up with her sister the
next day, but never arrived. Five thirty in the afternoon
on Friday was the last time we spoke with her.
Her mom became worried Saturday morning when Paola didn't call her.
After not hearing from her at all on Saturday, her
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family went to her home on Sunday, so her car
was gone and her pets left all alone. It's something
her dad said she didn't never do through our own investigation,
we found she exited the last the four twenty nine
in ze world, so we know where she exited the interstate.
Take a listen now to our friends at Fox thirty
five Orlando uricat four. This is Christy Kern. Debbie's have
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been searching the area, but still no sign of Paola.
We immediately felt like there was something wrong. Maybe it
was just not normal. The family has also been searching ants.
They are hoping for others to come forward with any information.
Don't be afraid to share it, even if it's wrong,
like if it's somebody else. We want her home. Bla,
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we love you, We want you home. They say. Paola
was last seen wearing blue jeans, shorts and a green
or white shirts. Of course it hurts as holiday. We
want her with us. Oh, we gotta do what we
gotta do. Right there, we've heard a lot of very
significant details. Do you Karen Start joining us from Manhattan,
renowned at New York psychologist at Karen Start and dot com.
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The father says she would never leave her pets alone.
It would be a cold day in HBL. You know,
just for one moment, Karen Start, you were with me
here in my whole pregnant. See as far as it's
going to be to do put my children out of this,
I would never leave fat boy the dogs, sent them
in the cat Abbie Chloe, the guinea pigs to find
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for themselves that that would not happen, would not happen.
So I think the father's right. And this is what
we call behavioral evidence, evidence of routine. Karen start jump in.
I was thinking the same thing, Nancy, because I have
dogs and I can't imagine leaving them, even overnight, by themselves.
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So this is uncharacters the behavior. Anyone who loved Atamas
know that. And also the fact that she had an
appointment with her sister and she never showed up, and
her cars just they're abandoned, not in touch with her family.
Something that's really wrong. And I can understand why the
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family would hire a private investigator at this point. Yeah,
that brings me to a very very important point. The
family is now hiring a private investigator. Back to Chris Adams,
swamp survival expert who took the forefront and the search
for Brian Laundry. After Laundryes fiance Gabby Petito was found
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dead out near the Tetons Chris Adams. After all of
searching for days and days and days at Carlton Reserve
for Brian laundry, the parents went in and found his
items not far from his body in less than an hour.
So what what are the deputies missing? Why does this
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family feel they've got to hire a private eye? Explain
to me how you would search a place like with
Kiwa State Park. All right, So this is just like
I pointed out in that previous case you just mentioned,
you can go over a wild area like that would
fine tooth calm, and still miss something. And I'll repeatedly
say that to anyone I meet, because you're going to
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leave some trace. If you're just going in there on
a leisure trip, you were going to leave some trace
that you were there. Now, that doesn't mean necessarily dropping
a trail behind you, a key chain or a bill
fold or anything. That just means tracks you stopped and
had used the bathroom somewhere, anything like that. Now, this
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is going to run back into what I was just
trying to convey a little while ago. I was mentioning
the alligators in the river. Because there was an alligator
attack on this river does not mean that this individual
or any individual for that matter, that goes into a
swamp is going to be attacked by an alligator. And
one of the things that media outlets get wrong is
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they say alligator infested. That makes everybody thinks the worst
of an area that this person went into, makes them
think that this person probably was attack. That doesn't mean
that at all. It could have very well waited further
down that river gotten out somewhere I have done many
times before on rivers around here in South Georgia. Walked
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into the woods and found a thick place that I
couldn't get through, and I had to make my own trail.
It's very easy to get lost, to get turned around
in some area like that. China, So kin everything you're saying,
Chris Adams, Because out of the twenty five thousand acre
Cralton Reserve, police used drones, boats, scuba disers, scuba divers,
bloodhounds to try to find Brian Laundry and his family
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found evidence of him near his body in less than
an hour. So, Chris Adams, what do they need to
be doing to find Paola? Well, from what my understanding is,
they have done all of that on this side too,
with underwater scuba gear. They've had people on horseback, people
on foot, but there are conservation easements state forest lands
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adjoined to this. An individual could get off and walk
very far out of the park and they have gotten
turn around, so they may not even be looking in
the right place. This is where police oftentimes make mistakes
because they try to use technology when the only actual
solution is to get on the ground and search inch
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by inch, and the use of thermal camera cameras in
order to search for a lost person is only marginally successful.
I agree totally prime stories with Nancy Grace. Okay, what
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do they need to be doing right now? Del Carson,
former FBI now high pifile lawyer out of Jacksonville. This
is fairly straightforward. I mean, you've got to get boots
on the ground, which means you're going to have to
extend energy and personnel in order to thoroughly search the area.
And from my reading of the news articles, they didn't
do a very thorough search. They went a little bit here,
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a little bit there. That's not how you conductor search,
and Chris is entirely correct. You get into a swamp,
if it's dim or getting dark, you don't know which
direction is which, you'll never find your way out, and
you can be literally lost for days. The only way
to sort this out is to go where she was
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last seen. Start from there, one step at a time,
searching on the ground. And it's Chris also mentioned there
are areas that are just impassable. So unless you have
a machette or some way to exit through those areas,
it takes days and weeks to search, not hours. To you,
Nicole Pardon Crime online dot Com, explain to me what
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this search is entails so far, so, the Offiola Sheriff's
Department are saying that from that siding where the video
was taken, they searched the river with high intensity cameras
four miles north and miles south from that point. They're
also saying that they secured the park by plane, by drone,
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by boat. They've had divers in the water, they've had blood, bloodhounds.
But they're saying they secured the perimeter by those methods,
not that they searched every acre of the park by
those methods. But the reality is to Chris Adams, a hey,
a turtleman is I believe joining me from a swamp
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right now? Chris, there are thousands of acres, seven thousand acres,
and there are miles and miles of trails to walk
and to bike, So it's like a needle in a haystack.
It's just reminded me of the Brian laundry case. It
does in many ways, and like we all just said,
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it is going to take people getting in there and
calmbing it over time and time again and there again
we might not even be in the right location, be
in the proximity, That might not be the exact spot
that we need to be looking. What about the main
attraction there, which are the springs themselves? Would that be
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where she would be headed Chris Adams, I mean based
on where she's been seen my understanding as she was
heading down the river. So it is also my understanding
that that is away from the springs. The main hiking
trail is about fourteen miles long. There are miles and
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miles of other biking and hiking trails. So at this point,
Chris Adams, what do you make at the theory of
alligator attack? Is that probable or is this just a
big cover up for what really happened to her? Again,
as I always say, it is a possibility when you
are in any part of the American alligator's range, if
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you go into the water, there is a chance that
that animal may perceive you as a threat in a
fight or flight defense, harm you, or if you are
a small enough, weak enough individual and that animal is
hungry enough, it may take the chance to make you
a prey item. But those odds are very, very slim. Okay,
explain that to me. Why do you say the odds
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are very slim? It just doesn't happen every day. I
work in a swamp, like you said, Okay, Finoki, it
has been a wildlife refuge for over eighty years and
we have had absolutely zero depths caused by an American alligator.
And in the hundred and fifty years of Anglo presence
here in the swamp, I don't know of one incident
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where someone has been killed by an alligator in Okay, Finoki.
So that's just speaking for here, to Lisa Daddy, for
a police lieutenant Haven Police. The reality is, if she
had drowned, I ain't gone underwater. Wouldn't the natural gases
within her body caused by decomposition bring her to the
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surface of the water, Unless a gator had taken her
down to the bottom. Absolutely, it would have by known
the NC I mean typically you see that within its
depending on temperature water, air temperature, the size of the person.
She should have surfaced by now if she was in
the water somewhere, unless she's on one of the many
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thousands of acres you know, on land, beast, upon the
current or whichever of the river, and they just haven't
found her physical body yet too, Chris Adams. If she
had drowned, would an alligant gator eat her dead body?
Are they very particular? Now there's there's the question. So
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that animal is an opportunist, as our turtles and other
animals that live in the water that consume organic matter
like that. Now, if a person's body is decomposing, has
floated to the surface and been there for a few days,
any animal in that swamp that eats meat is going
to use that as an opportunity to feed. So then yes, yes, Okay,
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here's the next question, Chris Adams. If Palla had been attacked,
don't they drag the victim down to the bottom of
the water, the body of water, and then roll over
and over and over it till the victim's drowns. Well,
they are primarily ambush predators. So if an animal like that,
an alligator, was to grab a hold of a person,
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it will try and take the motor. Now that's spinning
and what they call a death roll. That's more used
to tear chunks off of an already decomposed form for
them to be able to swallow sizeable pieces. That's not
to kill whatever item is dragged under. You know, Karen
start on York psychologists joining us at a Manhattan It's
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very difficult for me to look at the photo of
this gorgeous girl Payola and hear what Chris Adams is saying.
And I know it must be much harder for the
family to hear. Well, you can tell just when the
broadcast that the family is suffering, really suffering. That's why
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they went ahead and decided to hire their own Christian
And when you think, when you think about it, Nancy,
and you've brought this step earlier, it's really confusing that
people took pictures of her, actually did a video, and
you don't hear anybody yelling out and saying, hey, what
are you doing in that water? You're not supposed to
be swimming there are you? Okay? So the whole thing
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is a tremendous mystery. You know, why is she there?
Why didn't somebody help her get out? And the family
they I can just tell they believe that there's hope
for her, and so it seems important to me that
people keep looking and trying to help this family. I mean,
it seems fantastical to me. Chris Adam said, she goes
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waiting in the water and what is a type by
an alligator? And diyes, I mean she's not. It's barely
up to or hips. Would that be conducive to an
alligator attack? I mean it's very possible. But here's the thing.
As a naturalist, I know these animals. As a human,
I don't want to sound insensitive. I mean, someone's loved
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one is missing out there, and the likelihood of them
being attacked by an alligator is probably very slim. I
think we as people just are quick to think of
the worst. I firmly believe she is probably not in
that river. Well, her car is there is still locked, guys,
And what I believe Nicole Parton is that her cell
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phone is still in the car. Yes, that's what I'm
hearing her cell phone is still in the car. And
again we know she had plans with her family. She
was very excited about Christmas. She had a young niece
that she was looking forward to spending the holidays with.
She had plans on visiting the park for the day
and returning home. So something tragically happened. Guys, take a
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list to our cut seven man. This is Carolynakordiver WKMG
new six. Earlier today, the father of Faula Miranda Rosa
came to this shopping center on curry Ford Road in
East Orlando and handed out flyers like this went to passerbys.
The family now telling me they've hired a private investigator
to help in her search. Gustavo Mirandas spent the day
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posting flyers of his missing daughter around his neighborhood in
East Orlando. A father living any parents worse tonightmare. Holding
back tears, he says he just wants her to show up,
describing his firstborn daughter as a smart, active and friendly girl.
It's very out of character for her. We have such
an open communication in my family. Faula Miranda Rosa was
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last seen December seventeenth, when she had lunch with family members.
The next day, she was supposed to visit her sister
Andrea Miranda, but she never showed up. She usually comes
over on the weekends. She tries to make it in
every weekend event to see her niece, my daughter, and
that was the plan for I miss her so much,
and you know, everything that passes where just like where
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is she? So right there? I'm learning more deal Carson
every weekend and I know I did this myself. Or
my little nephews are being brought up, I would go
home to my hometown every weekend to be with them
every weekend, rarely missed. What does that tell you, Well,
there's no question that she intended to return, based on
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the fact that she put a deposit in the APM
that you know, those are indicators that people continue with
their lives. Something has happened to her, and in my perspective,
she's more likely than not lost in those woods. As
soon as you stepped away from the creek, you're in
a situation where you don't know which is north or south.
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And if you don't have a compass, which she did
not basically have any tracking mechanism with her, you could
use a cell phone. If you had it with you
to tell which cardinal direction there is, but she didn't
have that, So she's lost in there and the only
way to find her is, as Chris was mentioning, is
did you actually do an actual foot search through a
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very impenetrable seven thousand acres to assure that she's just
curled up somewhere waiting for rescue. Time stories with Nancy
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Grace Back to so called turtleman Chris Adams swamp survival expert.
Did you hear what del Carson just said? How easy
is it? How does it happen that you lose your
sense of direction? Well, parts all over the country have
trails for a reason, and if people go breaking those trails,
that is how you get lost. The trails are to
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keep you safe and get you back to where you
started from. And some of them, if you get off
of them, yeah, you'll find your way back in five minutes.
But in a lot of these places, and especially down
in central Florida, where it's virtual jungle outside of open waterways,
it's very easy to get lost and be panned up
in there somewhere and you don't know how to get out.
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Simple as that. I'm just thinking of her in there,
unable to get out to Lisa Daddio for a police
lieutenant joining us. Do you remember when we couldn't find
Gabby Petito And then another survivalist, a camper remembered taking
video of her van, her van that she was traveling in,
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and based on where that camper took the video, when
she came forward with the video, Red White and Bethune
I think was their name, the cops found Gabby's body,
a similar thing happening here, Lisa Daddio. Three weeks later,
police finally get a lead from a group of hikers,
footage that could be key to her fate. So where
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does that leave me? Yeah? Absolutely, I mean I think
this is exactly that point. I mean, there's no doubt
people that were walking that whole park, in that area
along the riverbeds, you know, probably saw her and they
don't even realize it yet because maybe they haven't seen it.
You know, if I was a law enforcement working for
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law enforcement to see I'd be hitting every social media
channel imaginable because I'm sure there's other people that have
seen her that day or saw something that looks similar
to her, and we need to just do a better
job at getting all this information out there. I got
another question to you, Chris Adams, expert in swamp survival.
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We see that picture of her, that video that these
campers thought to take the video but didn't try to
warn her. How likely is it that we can even
identify that case? I mean, does that one area of
the swamp look pretty much like another area of the swamp.
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How can we use that video that picture to isolate
at seven thousand acres where she was in that case?
I mean, you've got to go back to the original source.
And whoever took the video, I would ask them where
they took the video. It's not like somebody can forget
that quickly. I go and take pictures and video all
across swamps and river bottoms in South Georgia, and I
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guarantee you I knew exactly where I took each one
of them nearly. Yeah, you're right. So they're on a
mark trail taking that video off you. You ought to
be able to find it again. Chris Adams, What did
you learn from the search for Brian laundry at Carlton Reserve,
also a Florida swamp, And how can we apply what
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you learned to the search for Paola and the old
words leave no stone unturned. You've got to go out
there and look. And as simple as that, she may people, friends,
members of the community, whoever wouldn't put help, They need
to go out there and help this family. Take a
list of our cut six from our friends at Spectrum
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News thirteen. During a search, friends at Family found Bauala's
car abandoned in Wakaba Springs, Osila County. Shaf's office reports
witnesses saw her at the park on Saturday, but eighteenth.
More than one hundred and fifty law enforcement officers in
Osila and Orange County search the area for three days
and weren't able to find Faula. Officers don't suspect any
foul play. We're not giving up hope we'll see her again.
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We're a family of faith and pray for her safe
return and also our cut nine. This is our friend
Christie Tournament Channel nine. A father on his knees praying
for his daughter's safe return. It's been two weeks since
family has seen or heard from thirty one year old Payola.
Marie Miranda Rosa of Osiola County. It's my babies, my friend,
(33:58):
everything Yvonne Rosa is ringing in the new year, desperately
looking for answers and her daughter's disappearance. Half of her
heart is missing, like half of her life is missing.
Through a translator, the mother says this is out of
character for her daughter. They have a best friend relationship,
the one that a mother daughter always wants. She would
speak to her five, six times a day, talk to
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her all day. Miranda Rosa's car was found abandoned in
Wakaiva Springs State Park last week. Tips led the family
to a popco where they gathered New Year's Eve to
hang flyers. The family doing everything they can, including creating
a caravan, drumming at leads, using posters, banging anyone and
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everyone for help. But I mean, how difficult is it,
Chris Adams. You can't really go shoulder to shoulder and
a swamp full of alligators where you just gotta try
you best. I know, if I lost a loved one
somewhere out in the wilderness and I didn't know where
they were at, I pulled every stuff and make every
effort try and get out there and find them. So
my hats off to this family and to the friends
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that want to help do that to Nicole parton joining
us Crime online dot Com. What is happening right now? Oh,
police are basically saying that they've done all they can
do in the state part, but as you said, Paula's
family is continuing every effort that they can. They are
also saying that they are a strong family of space.
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They're praying for a miracle and that she will be found.
Play think a miracle will be getting lawn for us
back out there, because I mean, deal Carson, Chris Adams
of how many weeks did the FBI and the police
search for Brian Laundry and Carlton Reserve. They didn't give
up after seventy two hours, Deal Carson, Well, they were
looking for a fugitive. And what's more important is this
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woman is innocent of any crime. They should redouble the
efforts to locate her and just getting on the ground
searching very carefully. And there's another issue, which is the
warm weather is bringing out the other riptile are in
the swamps, areas like moccasins. To you, Chris Adams, I
know you're heading back out onto the swarmping right now.
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Is that true? I mean, that's true. I've looked at
the weather since December seven, tink down around Orlando, and
it's been pretty constient, seventies and eighties, getting down into
the sixties at night. With those temperatures, you've got your
venomous reptiles like rattlesnakes or watermarksins crawling and though they
are a lingering thread, if you don't watch where you're
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putting your feet, they are out and about. And that's
just the simple truth of it. Okay, guys, take a
listen to our cut eleven w k M jus six.
We've been finding flyers for Miranda Rosa down these trails
here behind me, where there are difficult areas to reach
unless you're on foot. The Ossiola County Sheriff's office bringing
in specialized equipment and hopes of finding any sign of
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the missing woman. You know, she did go into this
area in the water. Hopefully it will shut some light
to where she's at. Ossola County Sheriff Marcos Lopez joining
a team of eight Marine trein deputies Wakaiva Springs State
Park the search for missing thirty one year old Paola
Miranda Rosa coming to this spot after video taken by
hikers December eighteenth shows her waiting in the water. You know,
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it's just the last known sighting of her being alive.
Walking into that area, Lopez says he's hoping she walked
out safely, but if not, this underwater camera system will
help see into hard to reach areas of the Waikiwa River.
We'll take this pontoon boat, go over about halfway in
there and take the camera system and scour it and
turn it and look and at Deputy's planned on searching
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nearly five miles of water. The ship line four zero
seven three four eight two two two Nancy Grace Crumb
story signing off, goodbye friend,
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A gorgeous woman disappears on
the edges of a well known and popular swamp forest.
What happened to Paola Miranda Rosa? Absolutely stunning with a
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loving family, lots of friends. Why has her case not
been solved? As the days to buy? Where is Paola?
First of all, take a listen to our friends at
Fox thirty five. It's hard to even focus on the
fact that it's the holiday season. I don't know what
they it is right now. Andrea Miranda says it has
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been a whirlwind since her sister, thirty one year old
Paola Miransa Rosa of Asiola, accounts he went missing last week.
We've see Christmas slates around this. We see that, but
your tunnel mission on the mension of finding her. Her
family reported Paola missing Sunday after they had not heard
from her since Friday. Monday, they started making flyers and
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searching the area, and they eventually found her car at
with khaih Whi Spring State Park on Tuesday. Guys, we've
got to help find this woman. Her family's so distraught,
and what concerns me is that people saw her waiting
in the water. They took pictures of her, but they
didn't comment or speak to her. That the facts surrounding
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Paola's disappearance are studying. We want to find this woman
the tip line four zero seven three four eight two
two two two. And I find it highly significant that
her family is raising funds for a private investigator. Joining
me and All Star palel to make sense of what
(01:58):
we know right now. Lisa daddy O, former police lieutenant.
You have a police department and senior lecturer at the
Center for Advanced Policing where she's Director. Karen Start, renowned
psychologists joining us out of Manhattan at Karen Stark dot com.
Dale Carson, high profile lawyer joining us out of Jacksonville.
Former fed with the FBI, author of Arrest Proof of Yourself.
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He's at del Carson Law dot com. A very special
guest joining us. He will remember him from the Gabby
Petito Brian laundry case. He's known as the Turtleman, Chris
Adams swap survival expert. You can find him on Facebook
at Living Wild, on TikTok at Georgia Turtleman, and you're
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gonna see why he's so important. Nicole Parton first to
you Nicole parton Crime online dot Com investigative reporter, Explain
to me where Paola was last seen? So December seventeen,
she spends a great day with her family, her grandmother,
her uncle, her mother. They have lunch together. She leads
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there later in the day. You say there, Nicole, who
what where her wife? When? Don't say there? Where? Where?
She leaves her grandmother's home, which is on Simona Avenue
in Orlando? Or thank you? Have you ever heard of
that game? Twin one questions? Don't let me play that.
I'm a j D, not a DDS. Don't know how
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to pull it too. So Orlando. She's at Orlando lunchtime,
December seventeen. Is that correct? Yeah? To see how easy
that just came off my tongue. Orlando, December seventeen. Okay,
Then what happened? She left there? She went to a
doctor's appointment. Jar's confirmation that she made that appointment, saw
the doctor. After that, she returned to her home again
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in Orlando. Did she live one day? Did she live
along with her Twitter doggies? Yeah? Okay, go ahead. December eighteen,
she makes an ATM deposit at the bank. You know
that's interesting deposit versus withdrawal. I'll circle back with that
with you, Dell Carson. But a deposit, not a withdrawal. Okay,
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go ahead. After that bank deposit, she heads down to
which she was state park, which she had planned to do. Okay,
go ahead. Where's that? And that's about a thirty five
to forty minute drive about twenty miles north of her
home in Orlando. Did she take her dogs? She did
not take her dog would she normally have? No And
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her family knew that she was going. She had told them, Hey,
I'm going up to the state park tomorrow, so it
was a planned visit to the state She a hiker
or a jogger, a nature enthusiast. She did enjoy the outdoors.
She didn't see Land's interesting. That's interesting because I tell
my children we're going to go in to nature hike
and they go, oh, Mom, not another tree. Do you
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know how much that breaks my heart? Since I taught
tree identification on a national forest. I want them to
love nature, and they do love nature, but not necessarily
my nature walks. So she goes on on her own volition.
She goes to you're saying with Kiwa State Park twenty
(05:14):
miles north of Orlando. Yes, that's correct. Okay, is she
spotted there? She is? Um, So at that point, let's
let's skip a day and then we're going to come back.
So December twenty two, authorities located you left off December eighteen.
One day would be December nineteen. December nineteen, there's nothing, okay,
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December twenty nothing, December twenty one, nothing, December twenty two.
By now, her family has reported her missing and police
locate her black two thousand and eleven Chevy h h R.
Her car parked at the state park. H what h
h R. It's a it's a Chevrolet vehicle, a little car,
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Okay at the state park. Yes, and very quickly they
find the car. There any signs of foul play, No
signs of foul play, was the carlark? The car was locked,
where the keys enter out of the car are not found?
That was not found, not disclosed. Okay, I'm letta start
right there, guys. We were talking about uh, Paola Miranda
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Rosa stunning beautiful, spends the holidays with her family, but
then December eighteen, is he just here? From Crime online
dot Com investigative reporting Nicole Parton, she goes to with
Kiwa State Park. Enter the Turtleman Chris Adams. You can
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find him on Facebook, Living Wild, TikTok Georgia Turtleman Chris Adams.
I assume you've seen the photo of Paola in the water.
Did you see that? The photo actually, to me almost
doesn't look It looks like a beautiful drawing or set
(07:03):
up photo. She's in this beautiful swamp area with a
tree canopy over her, and she's wading into the water,
you know, for a swim. And I was curious why
complete strangers thought that was a good picture to take.
Why would they take that picture? Tell me about where
she was? That was my initial thought, as well as
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why were these hikers she was randomly taking a photo
or a video of this other person on the trail.
The thing is she wasn't on the trail. Understanding is
that was an area that swimming waiting was not permitted in.
So I guess to their surprise, they saw this individual
in the water and they thought it strange enough to
take video or photo of that. Tell me about this
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is a swamp is it not. With Kiwa State Park
by the Chicago River right there runs out of the
park but as with any river, you've got the floodplain
off to the side, which makes you know dozens of
little gullies and swimming hole areas. That's nothing more than
a river swamp. So yes, I'm looking at the video
(08:10):
right now. Is that her hair she's got long brown hair.
Is that her hair down her back? Or does she
have on a backpack? It looks like a backpack or
a swim shirt of some sort, like a tank top
over her shirt. Have you looked at that. I've looked
at the photo, but it's kind of grainy to me.
I thought it could be either Time Stories with Nancy Grace. Okay,
(08:48):
now I want you to tell me about the area.
Why would you not go swimming in that water? It's
just I'm just looking at this picture because everything about
it to me, Jackie is screaming alert read alert. But
I mean, I'm a trial lawyer. I put the bad
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guys behind bars, that's my thing. But I don't even
know what I'm seeing. Chris Adams, you're the survival expert.
What's wrong with this picture? Well, going back to twenty fifteen,
on the same section a river, there was a reported
alligator attack with a woman who lost part of her
arm to a larger alligator. And mind you that alligator
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attacks are pretty rare, but it is always a possibility,
especially in an area such as that. I mean, you
show me a cup of water in Florida, I'll show
you an alligator. But that area she was in is
only about hit deep, so where she was waiting through,
one would think that she might be able to see
an alligator or any individual see an alligator in that
(09:51):
amount of water. But I have run up on roadside
ditches with no more than eight inches of water and
there'd be an alligator laid in it that you wouldn't
see unless you a keen eye for it. So there's
always a possibility that river has alligators, just like every
other spot of water in Florida. So you take for
caution anywhere you put your feed in. Okay, I'm trying
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to take in everything you're you're saying, well, you're saying
to me, Chris Adams aka swamp man, excuse me, turtleman.
It's like drinking from a fire hydra. It's too much
tooth asked now, if I were to start throwing a
lot of Latin legal terms that you like, non secretary
racips a loquatory. You go, what that's what's happening to
(10:32):
me right now. So, just for my benefit and for
our friends here in the studio, could you tell me
what you just said one more time, because the thing
that jumps out at me, Chris Adams, is that I
see her alone out in the water. And you're right,
it's just barely up to her hips. Who would worry
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about that? But nobody else is in the water. I
don't see any other watercraft, no ski, do boat, no pontoon, nothing,
And just my instinct is there's a reason why she's
the only one in the water. Now, tell me everything
you just said one more time, Chris. That's an area
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to my understanding that swimming is not permitted swimming or waiting. Well,
there's no signs saying that. I believe there are another
sections of the park. Well not right there, Chris. I'm
looking right at it. I don't see any sign But
I mean when you pass signs going in it' say
bewarey gay ors. I don't know if there were any,
but I don't see any right there. Guys with me
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an all star panel to make sense of what we
know right now about a gorgeous young woman missing. We
know that she had already put Christmas presents under the
tree that she planned to give her family and her
furry babies. I think she had four animals, that she
had just spent an afternoon with her family at a
(11:58):
kind of a Christmas celebration lunch and then suddenly drops
literally off the mat. But I'm not buying that this
woman did not drop off the match. She did not
intend to go missing. Her car locked and in the
correct position at the state park. Take a listen to
our cut to This is jesse Canalis Spectrums thirteen. The
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thirty one year old went missing the week before Christmas.
Faulla was with her grandmother on Friday eighty seven, seventeen
and was supposed to meet up with her sister the
next day, but never arrived. Five thirty in the afternoon
on Friday was the last time we spoke with her.
Her mom became worried Saturday morning when Paola didn't call her.
After not hearing from her at all on Saturday, her
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family went to her home on Sunday, so her car
was gone and her pets left all alone. It's something
her dad said she didn't never do through our own investigation,
we found she exited the last the four twenty nine
in ze world, so we know where she exited the interstate.
Take a listen now to our friends at Fox thirty
five Orlando uricat four. This is Christy Kern. Debbie's have
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been searching the area, but still no sign of Paola.
We immediately felt like there was something wrong. Maybe it
was just not normal. The family has also been searching ants.
They are hoping for others to come forward with any information.
Don't be afraid to share it, even if it's wrong,
like if it's somebody else. We want her home. Bla,
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we love you, We want you home. They say. Paola
was last seen wearing blue jeans, shorts and a green
or white shirts. Of course it hurts as holiday. We
want her with us. Oh, we gotta do what we
gotta do. Right there, we've heard a lot of very
significant details. Do you Karen Start joining us from Manhattan,
renowned at New York psychologist at Karen Start and dot com.
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The father says she would never leave her pets alone.
It would be a cold day in HBL. You know,
just for one moment, Karen Start, you were with me
here in my whole pregnant. See as far as it's
going to be to do put my children out of this,
I would never leave fat boy the dogs, sent them
in the cat Abbie Chloe, the guinea pigs to find
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for themselves that that would not happen, would not happen.
So I think the father's right. And this is what
we call behavioral evidence, evidence of routine. Karen start jump in.
I was thinking the same thing, Nancy, because I have
dogs and I can't imagine leaving them, even overnight, by themselves.
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So this is uncharacters the behavior. Anyone who loved Atamas
know that. And also the fact that she had an
appointment with her sister and she never showed up, and
her cars just they're abandoned, not in touch with her family.
Something that's really wrong. And I can understand why the
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family would hire a private investigator at this point. Yeah,
that brings me to a very very important point. The
family is now hiring a private investigator. Back to Chris Adams,
swamp survival expert who took the forefront and the search
for Brian Laundry. After Laundryes fiance Gabby Petito was found
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dead out near the Tetons Chris Adams. After all of
searching for days and days and days at Carlton Reserve
for Brian laundry, the parents went in and found his
items not far from his body in less than an hour.
So what what are the deputies missing? Why does this
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family feel they've got to hire a private eye? Explain
to me how you would search a place like with
Kiwa State Park. All right, So this is just like
I pointed out in that previous case you just mentioned,
you can go over a wild area like that would
fine tooth calm, and still miss something. And I'll repeatedly
say that to anyone I meet, because you're going to
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leave some trace. If you're just going in there on
a leisure trip, you were going to leave some trace
that you were there. Now, that doesn't mean necessarily dropping
a trail behind you, a key chain or a bill
fold or anything. That just means tracks you stopped and
had used the bathroom somewhere, anything like that. Now, this
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is going to run back into what I was just
trying to convey a little while ago. I was mentioning
the alligators in the river. Because there was an alligator
attack on this river does not mean that this individual
or any individual for that matter, that goes into a
swamp is going to be attacked by an alligator. And
one of the things that media outlets get wrong is
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they say alligator infested. That makes everybody thinks the worst
of an area that this person went into, makes them
think that this person probably was attack. That doesn't mean
that at all. It could have very well waited further
down that river gotten out somewhere I have done many
times before on rivers around here in South Georgia. Walked
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into the woods and found a thick place that I
couldn't get through, and I had to make my own trail.
It's very easy to get lost, to get turned around
in some area like that. China, So kin everything you're saying,
Chris Adams, Because out of the twenty five thousand acre
Cralton Reserve, police used drones, boats, scuba disers, scuba divers,
bloodhounds to try to find Brian Laundry and his family
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found evidence of him near his body in less than
an hour. So, Chris Adams, what do they need to
be doing to find Paola? Well, from what my understanding is,
they have done all of that on this side too,
with underwater scuba gear. They've had people on horseback, people
on foot, but there are conservation easements state forest lands
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adjoined to this. An individual could get off and walk
very far out of the park and they have gotten
turn around, so they may not even be looking in
the right place. This is where police oftentimes make mistakes
because they try to use technology when the only actual
solution is to get on the ground and search inch
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by inch, and the use of thermal camera cameras in
order to search for a lost person is only marginally successful.
I agree totally prime stories with Nancy Grace. Okay, what
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do they need to be doing right now? Del Carson,
former FBI now high pifile lawyer out of Jacksonville. This
is fairly straightforward. I mean, you've got to get boots
on the ground, which means you're going to have to
extend energy and personnel in order to thoroughly search the area.
And from my reading of the news articles, they didn't
do a very thorough search. They went a little bit here,
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a little bit there. That's not how you conductor search,
and Chris is entirely correct. You get into a swamp,
if it's dim or getting dark, you don't know which
direction is which, you'll never find your way out, and
you can be literally lost for days. The only way
to sort this out is to go where she was
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last seen. Start from there, one step at a time,
searching on the ground. And it's Chris also mentioned there
are areas that are just impassable. So unless you have
a machette or some way to exit through those areas,
it takes days and weeks to search, not hours. To you,
Nicole Pardon Crime online dot Com, explain to me what
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this search is entails so far, so, the Offiola Sheriff's
Department are saying that from that siding where the video
was taken, they searched the river with high intensity cameras
four miles north and miles south from that point. They're
also saying that they secured the park by plane, by drone,
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by boat. They've had divers in the water, they've had blood, bloodhounds.
But they're saying they secured the perimeter by those methods,
not that they searched every acre of the park by
those methods. But the reality is to Chris Adams, a hey,
a turtleman is I believe joining me from a swamp
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right now? Chris, there are thousands of acres, seven thousand acres,
and there are miles and miles of trails to walk
and to bike, So it's like a needle in a haystack.
It's just reminded me of the Brian laundry case. It
does in many ways, and like we all just said,
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it is going to take people getting in there and
calmbing it over time and time again and there again
we might not even be in the right location, be
in the proximity, That might not be the exact spot
that we need to be looking. What about the main
attraction there, which are the springs themselves? Would that be
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where she would be headed Chris Adams, I mean based
on where she's been seen my understanding as she was
heading down the river. So it is also my understanding
that that is away from the springs. The main hiking
trail is about fourteen miles long. There are miles and
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miles of other biking and hiking trails. So at this point,
Chris Adams, what do you make at the theory of
alligator attack? Is that probable or is this just a
big cover up for what really happened to her? Again,
as I always say, it is a possibility when you
are in any part of the American alligator's range, if
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you go into the water, there is a chance that
that animal may perceive you as a threat in a
fight or flight defense, harm you, or if you are
a small enough, weak enough individual and that animal is
hungry enough, it may take the chance to make you
a prey item. But those odds are very, very slim. Okay,
explain that to me. Why do you say the odds
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are very slim? It just doesn't happen every day. I
work in a swamp, like you said, Okay, Finoki, it
has been a wildlife refuge for over eighty years and
we have had absolutely zero depths caused by an American alligator.
And in the hundred and fifty years of Anglo presence
here in the swamp, I don't know of one incident
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where someone has been killed by an alligator in Okay, Finoki.
So that's just speaking for here, to Lisa Daddy, for
a police lieutenant Haven Police. The reality is, if she
had drowned, I ain't gone underwater. Wouldn't the natural gases
within her body caused by decomposition bring her to the
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surface of the water, Unless a gator had taken her
down to the bottom. Absolutely, it would have by known
the NC I mean typically you see that within its
depending on temperature water, air temperature, the size of the person.
She should have surfaced by now if she was in
the water somewhere, unless she's on one of the many
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thousands of acres you know, on land, beast, upon the
current or whichever of the river, and they just haven't
found her physical body yet too, Chris Adams. If she
had drowned, would an alligant gator eat her dead body?
Are they very particular? Now there's there's the question. So
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that animal is an opportunist, as our turtles and other
animals that live in the water that consume organic matter
like that. Now, if a person's body is decomposing, has
floated to the surface and been there for a few days,
any animal in that swamp that eats meat is going
to use that as an opportunity to feed. So then yes, yes, Okay,
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here's the next question, Chris Adams. If Palla had been attacked,
don't they drag the victim down to the bottom of
the water, the body of water, and then roll over
and over and over it till the victim's drowns. Well,
they are primarily ambush predators. So if an animal like that,
an alligator, was to grab a hold of a person,
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it will try and take the motor. Now that's spinning
and what they call a death roll. That's more used
to tear chunks off of an already decomposed form for
them to be able to swallow sizeable pieces. That's not
to kill whatever item is dragged under. You know, Karen
start on York psychologists joining us at a Manhattan It's
(24:46):
very difficult for me to look at the photo of
this gorgeous girl Payola and hear what Chris Adams is saying.
And I know it must be much harder for the
family to hear. Well, you can tell just when the
broadcast that the family is suffering, really suffering. That's why
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they went ahead and decided to hire their own Christian
And when you think, when you think about it, Nancy,
and you've brought this step earlier, it's really confusing that
people took pictures of her, actually did a video, and
you don't hear anybody yelling out and saying, hey, what
are you doing in that water? You're not supposed to
be swimming there are you? Okay? So the whole thing
(25:31):
is a tremendous mystery. You know, why is she there?
Why didn't somebody help her get out? And the family
they I can just tell they believe that there's hope
for her, and so it seems important to me that
people keep looking and trying to help this family. I mean,
it seems fantastical to me. Chris Adam said, she goes
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waiting in the water and what is a type by
an alligator? And diyes, I mean she's not. It's barely
up to or hips. Would that be conducive to an
alligator attack? I mean it's very possible. But here's the thing.
As a naturalist, I know these animals. As a human,
I don't want to sound insensitive. I mean, someone's loved
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one is missing out there, and the likelihood of them
being attacked by an alligator is probably very slim. I
think we as people just are quick to think of
the worst. I firmly believe she is probably not in
that river. Well, her car is there is still locked, guys,
And what I believe Nicole Parton is that her cell
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phone is still in the car. Yes, that's what I'm
hearing her cell phone is still in the car. And
again we know she had plans with her family. She
was very excited about Christmas. She had a young niece
that she was looking forward to spending the holidays with.
She had plans on visiting the park for the day
and returning home. So something tragically happened. Guys, take a
(26:58):
list to our cut seven man. This is Carolynakordiver WKMG
new six. Earlier today, the father of Faula Miranda Rosa
came to this shopping center on curry Ford Road in
East Orlando and handed out flyers like this went to passerbys.
The family now telling me they've hired a private investigator
to help in her search. Gustavo Mirandas spent the day
(27:20):
posting flyers of his missing daughter around his neighborhood in
East Orlando. A father living any parents worse tonightmare. Holding
back tears, he says he just wants her to show up,
describing his firstborn daughter as a smart, active and friendly girl.
It's very out of character for her. We have such
an open communication in my family. Faula Miranda Rosa was
(27:42):
last seen December seventeenth, when she had lunch with family members.
The next day, she was supposed to visit her sister
Andrea Miranda, but she never showed up. She usually comes
over on the weekends. She tries to make it in
every weekend event to see her niece, my daughter, and
that was the plan for I miss her so much,
and you know, everything that passes where just like where
(28:05):
is she? So right there? I'm learning more deal Carson
every weekend and I know I did this myself. Or
my little nephews are being brought up, I would go
home to my hometown every weekend to be with them
every weekend, rarely missed. What does that tell you, Well,
there's no question that she intended to return, based on
(28:27):
the fact that she put a deposit in the APM
that you know, those are indicators that people continue with
their lives. Something has happened to her, and in my perspective,
she's more likely than not lost in those woods. As
soon as you stepped away from the creek, you're in
a situation where you don't know which is north or south.
(28:48):
And if you don't have a compass, which she did
not basically have any tracking mechanism with her, you could
use a cell phone. If you had it with you
to tell which cardinal direction there is, but she didn't
have that, So she's lost in there and the only
way to find her is, as Chris was mentioning, is
did you actually do an actual foot search through a
(29:10):
very impenetrable seven thousand acres to assure that she's just
curled up somewhere waiting for rescue. Time stories with Nancy
(29:32):
Grace Back to so called turtleman Chris Adams swamp survival expert.
Did you hear what del Carson just said? How easy
is it? How does it happen that you lose your
sense of direction? Well, parts all over the country have
trails for a reason, and if people go breaking those trails,
that is how you get lost. The trails are to
(29:55):
keep you safe and get you back to where you
started from. And some of them, if you get off
of them, yeah, you'll find your way back in five minutes.
But in a lot of these places, and especially down
in central Florida, where it's virtual jungle outside of open waterways,
it's very easy to get lost and be panned up
in there somewhere and you don't know how to get out.
(30:16):
Simple as that. I'm just thinking of her in there,
unable to get out to Lisa Daddio for a police
lieutenant joining us. Do you remember when we couldn't find
Gabby Petito And then another survivalist, a camper remembered taking
video of her van, her van that she was traveling in,
(30:39):
and based on where that camper took the video, when
she came forward with the video, Red White and Bethune
I think was their name, the cops found Gabby's body,
a similar thing happening here, Lisa Daddio. Three weeks later,
police finally get a lead from a group of hikers,
footage that could be key to her fate. So where
(31:03):
does that leave me? Yeah? Absolutely, I mean I think
this is exactly that point. I mean, there's no doubt
people that were walking that whole park, in that area
along the riverbeds, you know, probably saw her and they
don't even realize it yet because maybe they haven't seen it.
You know, if I was a law enforcement working for
(31:24):
law enforcement to see I'd be hitting every social media
channel imaginable because I'm sure there's other people that have
seen her that day or saw something that looks similar
to her, and we need to just do a better
job at getting all this information out there. I got
another question to you, Chris Adams, expert in swamp survival.
(31:45):
We see that picture of her, that video that these
campers thought to take the video but didn't try to
warn her. How likely is it that we can even
identify that case? I mean, does that one area of
the swamp look pretty much like another area of the swamp.
(32:06):
How can we use that video that picture to isolate
at seven thousand acres where she was in that case?
I mean, you've got to go back to the original source.
And whoever took the video, I would ask them where
they took the video. It's not like somebody can forget
that quickly. I go and take pictures and video all
across swamps and river bottoms in South Georgia, and I
(32:30):
guarantee you I knew exactly where I took each one
of them nearly. Yeah, you're right. So they're on a
mark trail taking that video off you. You ought to
be able to find it again. Chris Adams, What did
you learn from the search for Brian laundry at Carlton Reserve,
also a Florida swamp, And how can we apply what
(32:51):
you learned to the search for Paola and the old
words leave no stone unturned. You've got to go out
there and look. And as simple as that, she may people, friends,
members of the community, whoever wouldn't put help, They need
to go out there and help this family. Take a
list of our cut six from our friends at Spectrum
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News thirteen. During a search, friends at Family found Bauala's
car abandoned in Wakaba Springs, Osila County. Shaf's office reports
witnesses saw her at the park on Saturday, but eighteenth.
More than one hundred and fifty law enforcement officers in
Osila and Orange County search the area for three days
and weren't able to find Faula. Officers don't suspect any
foul play. We're not giving up hope we'll see her again.
(33:36):
We're a family of faith and pray for her safe
return and also our cut nine. This is our friend
Christie Tournament Channel nine. A father on his knees praying
for his daughter's safe return. It's been two weeks since
family has seen or heard from thirty one year old Payola.
Marie Miranda Rosa of Osiola County. It's my babies, my friend,
(33:58):
everything Yvonne Rosa is ringing in the new year, desperately
looking for answers and her daughter's disappearance. Half of her
heart is missing, like half of her life is missing.
Through a translator, the mother says this is out of
character for her daughter. They have a best friend relationship,
the one that a mother daughter always wants. She would
speak to her five, six times a day, talk to
(34:19):
her all day. Miranda Rosa's car was found abandoned in
Wakaiva Springs State Park last week. Tips led the family
to a popco where they gathered New Year's Eve to
hang flyers. The family doing everything they can, including creating
a caravan, drumming at leads, using posters, banging anyone and
(34:40):
everyone for help. But I mean, how difficult is it,
Chris Adams. You can't really go shoulder to shoulder and
a swamp full of alligators where you just gotta try
you best. I know, if I lost a loved one
somewhere out in the wilderness and I didn't know where
they were at, I pulled every stuff and make every
effort try and get out there and find them. So
my hats off to this family and to the friends
(35:01):
that want to help do that to Nicole parton joining
us Crime online dot Com. What is happening right now? Oh,
police are basically saying that they've done all they can
do in the state part, but as you said, Paula's
family is continuing every effort that they can. They are
also saying that they are a strong family of space.
(35:21):
They're praying for a miracle and that she will be found.
Play think a miracle will be getting lawn for us
back out there, because I mean, deal Carson, Chris Adams
of how many weeks did the FBI and the police
search for Brian Laundry and Carlton Reserve. They didn't give
up after seventy two hours, Deal Carson, Well, they were
looking for a fugitive. And what's more important is this
(35:44):
woman is innocent of any crime. They should redouble the
efforts to locate her and just getting on the ground
searching very carefully. And there's another issue, which is the
warm weather is bringing out the other riptile are in
the swamps, areas like moccasins. To you, Chris Adams, I
know you're heading back out onto the swarmping right now.
(36:07):
Is that true? I mean, that's true. I've looked at
the weather since December seven, tink down around Orlando, and
it's been pretty constient, seventies and eighties, getting down into
the sixties at night. With those temperatures, you've got your
venomous reptiles like rattlesnakes or watermarksins crawling and though they
are a lingering thread, if you don't watch where you're
(36:29):
putting your feet, they are out and about. And that's
just the simple truth of it. Okay, guys, take a
listen to our cut eleven w k M jus six.
We've been finding flyers for Miranda Rosa down these trails
here behind me, where there are difficult areas to reach
unless you're on foot. The Ossiola County Sheriff's office bringing
in specialized equipment and hopes of finding any sign of
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the missing woman. You know, she did go into this
area in the water. Hopefully it will shut some light
to where she's at. Ossola County Sheriff Marcos Lopez joining
a team of eight Marine trein deputies Wakaiva Springs State
Park the search for missing thirty one year old Paola
Miranda Rosa coming to this spot after video taken by
hikers December eighteenth shows her waiting in the water. You know,
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it's just the last known sighting of her being alive.
Walking into that area, Lopez says he's hoping she walked
out safely, but if not, this underwater camera system will
help see into hard to reach areas of the Waikiwa River.
We'll take this pontoon boat, go over about halfway in
there and take the camera system and scour it and
turn it and look and at Deputy's planned on searching
(37:32):
nearly five miles of water. The ship line four zero
seven three four eight two two two Nancy Grace Crumb
story signing off, goodbye friend,
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