June 16, 2025 • 42 mins
A major shakeup hits the Sean Combs trial after the judge dismisses a Black male juror.
Judge Arun Subramanian says concerns emerged about the juror’s candor after he allegedly gave conflicting statements about his residence. Combs’ defense team vigorously objects to the removal of “Juror 6,” arguing it reduces the panel’s diversity. The dismissed juror is replaced by a 57-year-old alternate—a white accountant from Westchester.
Paralegal specialist Ananya Sankar completes cross-examination as jurors review text messages between Sean “Diddy” Combs and his staff about purchasing drugs. In one thread, Combs’ head of security, Faheem Muhammad, receives approval to buy thousands of dollars’ worth of narcotics.
Other messages between Chief of Staff Kristina Khorram and Muhammad show Combs once requested 15 MDMA pills, also known as molly or ecstasy.
Joining Nancy Grace today:
- Troy Slaten - Los Angeles Criminal Defense Attorney, Slaten Lawyers, APC; Xr @TroySlaten
- Dr. Bethany Marshall - Psychoanalyst, Author: "Deal Breaker," and featured in hit show "Paris in Love" on Peacock; Instagram & TikTok: drbethanymarshall, X: @DrBethanyLive
- Jonathan Gilliam - Former Navy SEAL and FBI Special Agent, Federal Air Marshall and Police Officer, Author of “Sheep No More: The Art of Awareness and Attack Survival,” Host of the podcast “The Experts,” website: jonathantgilliam.com, IG: @RealJonathanGilliam, X: @JGilliam_SEAL; FB and YouTube: Jonathan T Gilliam
- Lynn Shaw - Founder and Executive Director of Lynn's Warriors [an organization committed to ending human trafficking and sexual exploitation], Host of Lynn's Warriors on YouTube; X: @lynns_warriors, YouTube: @LynnsWarriors
- Tisa Tells - Pop Culture Investigator & Commentator and Host of 'Tisa Tells' on Youtube, YouTube: @TisaTells, Instagram & TikTok: @TisaTellss, Facebook: Tisa.Tells.3
- Lauren Conlin - Investigative Journalist, Host of The Outlier Podcast, and also Host of "Corruption: What Happened to Grant Solomon; X- @Conlin_Lauren/ Instagram- @LaurenEmilyConlin/YouTube- @LaurenConlin4
- Sydney Sumner - CRIME STORIES Investigative Reporter
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Baby oil so deep at a free cough it causes
to slip and falls.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Just hold that mental image.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
This as Diddy bringing a book into court so he
can manifest a verdict. Okay, good luck with that. This
as jerr R six gets the boot.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
I'm Nancy Grace.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
This is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for
being with us.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
He abused everybody on every level.
Speaker 4 (00:35):
A lot of them have never come forward. They'd rather
just disappear, forget about it. They're too scared.
Speaker 5 (00:41):
Diddy was menacing, threatening, intimidating.
Speaker 6 (00:45):
She talked about how he was violent, he was threatening.
Speaker 7 (00:48):
They are terrified of him.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Oh my god.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
That is absolutely inhumane, inexcusable treatment of another human being.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Straight out to the Manahan Federal Courthouse where Seawan Combs
aka Diddy facing a multi count federal indictment including rico
and sex trafficking. Standing by outside the courthouse is investigative
reporter and host of TISA Tails on YouTube, Tisa Tales,
Tisa thank you for being with us.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
A lot happening in court today.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Let's just kick it off, pardon the pun with Juror
number six getting kicked off, booted off the jury.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
What happened.
Speaker 7 (01:29):
So we went into the courtroom and it was solemn.
Oddly enough did he came in with a smile on
his face like he had just won the golden ticket
from Willy Wonka. However, that smile disappeared when the judge
actually laid out in a very surgical, precise manner, exactly
why he wasn't getting his dream. However, there was another
(01:49):
shock upset where after he dismissed you German number six,
and we'll get into that, he actually said there is
a second juror that is up on the line for
possible dismissal, and he invited both sides to write a
list of questions so they can question a juror and
see if the new juror will actually be allowed to
stay to So a lot was going on in the
court today.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Okay, tast of tails remind us all how many alternates
we've got in the hopper.
Speaker 7 (02:15):
So right now we have officially five alternates. It started
a classic set, you know, a jurors doesn't and then
there were six alternates. Now that one man has moved
in to the place. If you're a number six, there
are five alternates left. And with the second jar. If
there's less, it looks like we might be down to
four alternates.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Tasta tails Did the court acknowledge who the next juror
that may get the boot is?
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Which jurr is it?
Speaker 7 (02:42):
So the court didn't give any identifying information except for
the fact. And this goes into the judge giving such
a hard line. As you saw the judge laying out
Toy's space just looked like a very very bad day.
Shoulders started falling, he started looking angrily at his lawyers.
All the judge did say is that this juror in
question actually approached the court and said, Hey, I don't
(03:06):
know what's going on, just wanted to be candid with you.
That seems to be the magic word of the hour.
I want to be candid with you. And because of
that candor, the judge is now taking that to invicement.
But they haven't given any identifying information and they are
trying to keep this under wraps.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Okay, let me understand what you just said, Tisa Tailors
joining us outside the Monahan Federal Courthouse, TISA number one,
j'r six gone out of there booted. We'll get into
wine just a moment. And of course, it's the ground
for another motion of miss Tralla mistrial by Shawn Combe's
defense team.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Is it valid?
Speaker 2 (03:43):
No, But you know, you never know if you get
one wacko appellate judge what might go wrong with that.
That said, now another jarar is in jeopardy. Now, are
you telling me that the second questionable.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
There are approach the court themselves?
Speaker 7 (04:03):
Yes, that is what my sources are telling me. That
the second juror actually approached the court themselves. Showed that
candor that everybody is that sid magic word, showed that candor,
and the judge invited both sides to say, listen, write
your list of questions for the jurors and for the juror,
and later on we will ax those questions. Again, they're
(04:23):
being a super tight lipt. They're probably going to clear
the court room. But as of now, we were shocked,
and Ditty was shocked too that there was a second juror.
Literally when he said the second jur in question, Diddy
had to look like what is going on and was
looking at his defense team furiously. After that, the jurors
hadn't been bombed yet. They were in huddles just to
(04:44):
defense team the prosecution cool and calm sitting there going
over there notes on how they're going to destroy Diddy
today and the defense team was in crisis.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Meltdownload, okay, hold on just a moment.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Joining me at the courthouse is Taste of Tails straight
out to City Sun, joining US Crime Stories investigative reporter
also covering the courthouse, Sidney. Do you have you been
able to speculate yet which juror the second juror in jeopardy.
Speaker 8 (05:13):
May be Nancy? We don't know, but it surprises me
that Combs was so shocked by this, and that could
mean a number of things. But we know that behind
bars he was actively trying to weigh the jury a
little bit.
Speaker 9 (05:27):
He's getting all of his kids to participate in these
pr campaigns to make him look like a loving father
and not the man that the government is making him
out to be.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Or they You know, again, when you don't know a horse,
look at his track record.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
We know and Sydney and Tasa jump in if you
need to.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
We know that apparently Sean Combs has tried to influence
witnesses from behind bars and has.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Been reprimanded about that.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Would he go so far as to try and contact
a Gurr joining me veteran trial lawyer Troy Slayton, criminal
defense attorney out of LA at Slayton Lawyers, Troy that
will take the cake. If this juror is approaching the
judge saying, somebody contacted me over the weekend, I find
(06:23):
it really interesting that this is happening on a Monday, right.
What if anything happened over the weekend to shake this
juror into approaching the bench with a problem.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
What about it? What else could have happened over the weekend.
Speaker 10 (06:40):
It could be any number of things, Nancy. And it
looks like all the jurors have the fear of God
in them because one jur has been dismissed. And if
it's found that that jur who is dismissed actually lied
during the dear process, which is the jury questioning, you know,
let the truth come out. That's what the Latin phrase means, Nancy.
(07:02):
As you know, then all the jurors could be really
fearful and thinking about geez, did I say anything wrong?
Did I make a mistake during voidir But this is
a great opportunity for the defense to get a mistrial
because if Diddy's attorneys can show that this that a
juror is being dismissed for a racial reason. Then they're
(07:24):
going to make what's called a bats in motion to
get a whole new trial, which would mean that everything
that they've seen so far is just a preview.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
This is what we're hearing.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
We're hearing that this juror I'm calling it juror the
second juror.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
Okay, you'r six is gone.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
That's saber with And I'm going to go into why,
because now it's an issue for a mistrial. Right is
it valid? No, it's not valid. The judge did the
right thing. And I think even you, Troy Slater and
gonna agree with me on this.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
But that's it.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
And remember keeping in mind, Troy, as you know already
you're a veteran trial lawyer, copellot team is going to
be a completely different team than the trial lawyers.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Typically, that's true, right.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
One of the reasons, and the trial lawyers know this
is because the appellate team, if there's a conviction, it's
going to be appealed.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Of course, the appellate.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Team will claim, right or wrong, that the trial lawyers
were ineffective, that they did this wrong, they did that wrong,
and that is SOP standard operating procedure. Every defense attorney
knows if there's a conviction, they're going to be accused
of ineffective assistance a counsel on appeal. Why they're willing
(08:36):
to undergo that to help their client get a reversal.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
It's part of the fee.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
Let me just say so.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
My point is a new appella team would be handling
this on appeal so they can attack the trial team
saying they should have let this jurr be thrown off.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
This wasn't right.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
We demand a new trial. Now as to juror number two, Troy,
listen to this. This is what I'm learning. Let me
say the second gerar all right, I don't know the
gr number attached to the juror.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
The GURR approached the judge.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
The judge has asked to see the gurrr's phone. The
phone was handed over and is going to be examined.
We understand the second questionable gurr was questioned over a conversation.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
He may have had with a colleague.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Okay, let's interpret that because you know, Troy, have you
ever run out of alternates? I have not, and the
reason is I typically would pick at least six alternates
for a trial, but for a long lasting trial that's
going to be over three weeks, you need a stable
of alternates because anything could go wrong. I have had
(09:53):
girrs drop out, have you.
Speaker 10 (09:55):
I've had jurors drop out. I've had jurors get kicked out.
I've had jurors get sick. But I've never run out
of jurors. We've gone down to zero alternates before in
a jury trial, but I've never had a mistrial because
of a lack of jurors. But it can happen.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
But I know that Diddy's cannap and I've had stars
on a couple of cases get off because one a
husband had a heart attack, she had to go to
another jurr art was having chest pains. They had to
go and something about child care. It wasn't critical, but
(10:31):
the woman was so upset about not sure she had
childcare for the next day.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
I didn't think she could focus.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
And I really liked her, but she was so distracted
and upset about her child care situation we cut her loose.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
Those are just the ones I remember off the top
of my head.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
And I don't like going to an alternate because I
like my twelve that I picked, but you got to
do what.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
You got to do.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
But here I think they should have had more than
six alternates. But that said, this is where we are
right now and Bethany Marshall joining us. Real psychoanalyst out
of the Barely Hills jurisdiction, author of deal Breakers. You
can see her now on Peacock and find her at
doctor Bethany Marshall dot com. Doctor Bethany, here's the thing.
(11:14):
Did you hear Tasa Tales?
Speaker 8 (11:15):
You know?
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Let me go back for a refresher, then I'll tell
you up for you again, Bethany, Tasa Tales. You stated
that in the midst of juror number six, potentially getting
kicked off, Seawn Comms came into the court room looking
oh happy.
Speaker 7 (11:29):
Happy as static. There were smiles everywhere, and I literally said,
what are they telling, Diddy, Because even though yourself and
a lot of legal professionals are saying there is no
way in hell a misschild is happening. He always seemed happy,
but today he was almost on his tippy toes, floating
into court with an air of happiness.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Again.
Speaker 7 (11:51):
He had I think two motions for a mistrial. He
had the jural number six. I think he thought he
had the deck stack. But again, justice is the house
that he's playing against, and they literally had they call.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
It black chat.
Speaker 7 (12:05):
So it was a lot going on. But I've never
seen somebody that happy for motions that we're just on
smoking air. Does very odd to.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
See, Yeah, especially when the emotions are against him. They're
they're the tide is against him on these motions. So
doctor Bethany, he's happy. Why does he know something we
don't know? I would not put it past him strictly
based on the fact that we believe he was trying
to dissuade witnesses from coming forward, and we.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Know that for a fact.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Do you think that anybody has gotten to a girrar?
Speaker 5 (12:43):
Well, you know, Nancy, he's manifesting a not guilty verdict,
So of course he's happy because his prayers have worked.
I mean, seriously, Pete, did he has such a vast
network it would we would have to have an org
chart to try to figure out who he's gotten in
touch with. It's probably multiple people. But you know, Nancy,
(13:05):
two words come to mind, Becky Hill. Remember that the
Colton County clerk who wrote a book about the Murdoch trial,
and then after she wrote the book, she realized she
could get in trouble for it. So there's also a
possibility that the jur number two realized that he or
she had done things that they would get in trouble
(13:27):
for if it came to light, so they had to
turn themselves in after Juror number six was dismissed.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
So Sidney Sumner joining US crime story is investigative reporter
Jurrr six was booted because he lives outside the jurisdiction.
That is reversible error. For instance, Uh, let's just pretend you, Sydney,
are being tried for murder. We can't fly somebody in
from Utah to be on your jury.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
That is the law.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
The jurors must in the jurisdiction where the case is
being tried.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
Get it now. If it's a state case, such.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
As you know, murder Ray Chamlay Station, the jura must
come from that county. In a federal trial, this is
a district It encompasses several counties within the district. The
federal district however, that's in New York. This jur is
(14:29):
residing in New Jersey. That is not in the jurisdiction
Is that right, Sydney. Is that why the jarar was booted.
Speaker 8 (14:37):
That's exactly why the juror was booted, Nancy. But further
than that, he also was not handed again that word
of the day when he was questioned and pressed on
this issue. So he first answered that he lived in
the Bronx and he lived there with his aunt and
occasionally spent time in New Jersey with his girlfriend.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
And his daughter.
Speaker 8 (15:01):
Then when he was gradually talking about this with court staff,
he was like, Oh, actually, I really live in New Jersey.
I don't spend that much time in the Bronx. And
when he was questioned by the judge later, he said, oh, no, no, no, no,
I wasn't telling the truth when I said that. So
he flipped back and forth on his answers pretty frequently,
and he did admit in his initial questioning that he
(15:23):
was a fan of nineties hip hop. So the judge
was led to believe that this juror had a reason
to want to stay on this jury, and the issue
of his actual residence became lesser to the fact that
he lied about it multiple times.
Speaker 11 (15:39):
The court learned today that Juror number six was less
than truthful about his address when the jury was impaneled.
While the juror answered truthfully that he lived in the
Bronx on his original questionnaire, in the last two weeks
he moved out of the court jurisdiction. The juror brought
up his move in friendly conversation with court staff, but
they later realized the possible ramifications of his admission and
reported it. Judge initially believed the juror may have had
(16:02):
a perfectly innocent explanation for the lapse in judgment, but
at the end of the cour day ultimately decided to
dismiss the juror.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Joining us now outside the Monahan Courthouse in downtown Manhattan.
Lauren Conlin, star of Pop Crime TV, on YouTube, Lauren,
thank you for being with us, Lauren. I understand that
there was so much baby oil at a free cough.
We have already heard about two slip and falls.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Listen, Lauren.
Speaker 12 (16:34):
Jonathan Perez is Shawn Combs's fourth assistant to take the
stand with Community. Perez testifies that he worked directly under
Christina Koram, who instructed him on setting up King Knights,
which korm described as Combs's private time with a woman.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
Perez says the task was usually left.
Speaker 12 (16:48):
To the Knight's staff, and he only set up for
about five of these nights. Perez even had to purchase
lingerie for Jane. For the king Knights, Perees says he
cleaned up the messy rooms afterward, and they were often
covered in oil. Replying to Korum about how a cleanup
was going, Perez texted, slipped and fell twice already. Perez
says Combs also sent him to pick up drugs.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Okay, objection, ew what happened? The guys had two slip
and falls in all the oil.
Speaker 13 (17:17):
Yes, Unfortunately, that is what we saw in evidence when
we saw these text messages between Christina Korum and Jonathan Perez,
one of Ditty's assistants. We also saw a text message
from Christina Korum to Jane actually stating that.
Speaker 14 (17:35):
The rooms that she and Ditty would use there always
would be extra damage charges because they were all white
and more oil filled than normal.
Speaker 13 (17:46):
So it's been a bit stomach turning.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
Nancy.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Joining us now outside the Monahan Courthouse is Tasa Tails. Tisa,
I understand that Sean Combs has been First of all,
he tried the Bible, Okay.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
Then I guess this. Lawyers told him that's not a
good idea. You need to stop that right now. Reading
the Bible in front of the jury. Now, if he
had any.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
History of ever going to church or reading the Bible
in the past, it might not.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Have been a bad move. But using the Bible.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
As a prop, I'm surprised he wasn't.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Struck by a bolt of lightning. That said. Now he's
got a new book he's bringing into court, The Magic
of Believing.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Now, if I'm right, that's all about manifesting your truth,
like manifesting a not guilty.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
Is this real?
Speaker 7 (18:37):
It is actually real? He has some sort of manifestation book.
But again, well each week at this point, I think
he's going to bring in a Guide to the Dark
Arts from Hogwarts. If we let him keep going, he
is sliding down the walls. And the thing is he
keeps trying to bring.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
In these props to me.
Speaker 7 (18:56):
The Bible perfect prop for him. Okay, like you said
about to have thunder and lightening in the courtroom. Now
he's all about manifesting. He's trying to remind us of
the brain marching he gave the nation for the last
ten years and bring that in but at this point
it's turned into a joke, which makes me believe how
much is art is a legal team actually monitoring social
(19:18):
media because this is turned into a joke again, what
is he going to bring in? What is he going
to bring in next? How to make friends and win enemies?
I mean, no one really knows what's going on. So
again Diddy is trying his best to turn this into
a circus. But the judge has a firm hold on
the courtroom and he's letting it know this is going
to be above board. So he's struggling. He's definitely struggling.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Sean Combs in the courtroom manifesting I'm not guilty verdict.
Speaker 15 (19:44):
Listen is Sean did he Combs trying to manifest and
not guilty verdict? The music mogul has been spotted carrying
a self help book, The Magic of Believing, back and
forth to court. Legal experts say it isn't uncommon for
defendants to turn to some sort of coping mechanism during
lengthy and streng ressful trials, and Colmb's Book of Choice
is used by many for mental fortitude in challenging situations.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 15 (20:18):
Legal experts say it isn't uncommon for defendants to turn
to some sort of coping mechanism during lengthy and stressful trials,
and Colmb's Book of Choice is used by many for
mental fortitude in challenging situations.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Doctor Bethany manifesting for those of us that aren't really
familiar with that, could you explain what it is? Is
it like, oh, wish it and it comes true, like
I dream of Genie?
Speaker 8 (20:44):
You know?
Speaker 11 (20:44):
You know.
Speaker 5 (20:44):
Manifesting is this idea that if you form a thought
in your mind, you can materialize it in the environment.
So let's say you want to be an actress. You meditate,
and you imagine yourself in front of the camera being happy, enjoying, being,
(21:05):
you know, getting your next oscar, and that if you
can sum it up enough feelings about that event, then
you can rearrange sort of what's going on in the
environment to make that event happen. I mean, you know
whether or not this is true?
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Okay? So p did he controls you actually just say
whether or not this is true?
Speaker 3 (21:31):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Whether did you say that? Because I think you did?
Whether it's not true? How about going.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
To school and getting a job to advance your goal.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
What about what?
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Okay, So you don't tell your clients athletes sit there
and wish it and it will happen.
Speaker 5 (21:48):
Okay, Okay, So, just like p did, he tries to
control his victims. I think he's trying to control God.
I mean, it's like he's trying to go to the universe.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
His wishes meant Bethany, Please, unless we really need to
drag God into this, let's please leave him her out
of it. Just first of all, you invaded the question.
Do you tell your clients to manifest?
Speaker 5 (22:13):
I do not, but many of my Beverly Hills clients
come in with a goal. They're trying to manifest, so
I try to turn it into real life, you know,
actualization meeting acting on their own behalf to reach the goal.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Okay, now you're losing me. You're totally losing me in
all the words or lot of words. Okay, thank goodness.
You don't tell your clients to manifest?
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Lynn Shaw joining me founder director Lyn's Warriors, a nonprofit which.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
Means a lot. She's not in it for the money.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Dedicated to ending sex exploitation and trafficking of women and girls.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
I bet they wish the victims.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
That they could manifest this thing never happened, that they
were not raped according to the state they were and
video and then blackmailed with the videos.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
I left out the drugging part and drugged.
Speaker 6 (23:05):
Yeah, Nancy, Well, I have news for everybody because I
manifest with victims and survivors of sex trafficking, rape abuse.
I actually tell them, think positive thoughts, stay in this
lane with positivity, think how.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
You want it to look. So I'm manifesting left and
right all over New York City and across our country.
You know what we're losing sight of while all this
is going on, And it's very important what's happening week six,
But you know what we're not talking about alleged victims,
alleged survivors of this smug thug, Triple D Dirty Diddy,
degenerate running amok in my hometown for years. It's very
(23:41):
concerning when we hear from TISA. You know that he
comes in so positive into the courtroom and all of
this attention is being put on that what does he know,
because I'll tell you what, he for decades in New
York City has been getting away with everything. It's very
concerning to me that this is happening. What about we're
not talking at all about these alleged victims survived.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Where are more of them?
Speaker 6 (24:01):
I want to see more of them on the stand.
There's lots of people complicit here. Why aren't we hearing
from them? So it remains to be seen. But I
leave you with this, Yes, with anybody who's been attacked
or is down in the dumps, is depressed, is even suicidal.
I actually tell them manifest positive thoughts, stay positive, stay
a warrior. And I use that technique all the time,
(24:22):
and you know what they get back to me. It
seems to always help them a little bit. So that's
a little bit positivity there. But as far as Triple
D Dirty Diddy degenerate, we don't care at all about
him and his manifestations and his Bibles. It's disgusting and
he's going down.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Let me speak to someone in law enforcement that maybe
I can understand what they're saying.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Jonathan gilliam is joining me, former Navy seal, let's start
with that.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
FBI Special agent, Federal Air Marshall and police officer, author
of Sheep Know More, The Art of Awareness and Attack Survival,
Star Off the Experts podcast Jonathan Gilliam. Jonathan, I threw
that question to land Shaw. I got an answer, but
it was an evasive You can go ahead and cut
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her mic right now. It was an evasive answer, Jonathan,
because I asked about seawan Combe's manifesting a not guilty verdict,
and she responded that she has crime victims manifest positivity.
Now manifesting positivity, that's stay positive. I'm all for that.
I'm all for expecting the best outcome, absolutely expecting it
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and trying to make it happen. Work to make it happen,
but be prepared if it doesn't happen. Having a positive
attitude is very different from manifesting a jury verdict or
manifesting conjuring up anything. The world doesn't work that way,
Jonathan Gilliam. It boils down to do the jurors believe
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the state's witnesses. The states witnesses all under went severe
cross examination. I'd like to hear you, out of all
your years of taking cases to juries, tell me if
you think the state has corroborated the victims well enough
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so far.
Speaker 16 (26:14):
I don't think so. I'll tell you something, Nancy, from
the very beginning of this and going back and looking
at the way this case has gone forward. I think
that when you look at what the prosecution is trying
to prove, and you look at how the witnesses come
in and what they've testified to, it doesn't meet so
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far the threshold on a lot of the charges that
they've brought up. And then you need to specific well
I'm getting to when you look at the jury you
made a lot.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Of the charges have not been proven well, racketeering for instance,
so far we've not seen really any evidence of racketeering
beyond Sean Didty Coombs himself running a very hostile work
environment and engage with prostitutes? Okay, hold on, Jonathan, have
you been covering the testimony because we now have the
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fourth assistant be given immunity for completing illegal acts at
the behest of Sean comes. So when your employees are
told by you to perform criminal acts to further a crime,
that is rico for witnesses so far given immunity. One
(27:35):
obtained illegal drugs, One went with a gun to hunt
down Shug Night for a proposed attack on night. Others
had transportation plans to bring in sex workers for an
illegal act. Another accountant described sending an extortion email, and
(28:01):
there's much much more. A bodyguard went and physically dragg
casti Ventura back for a free cough. A bribe was
conducted at the behest of Shawn Comes. Those are crimes,
and they further a criminal act. So explain to me
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how that is not racketeering.
Speaker 16 (28:25):
Well, so, usually typically when we look at the mafia
and how racketeering has been used, it's by people who
are not coerced into doing these things. And from what
we've seen to underline, motivation of most of these people
is that they were coerced. They had pressure on them,
they thought they would be ruined or fired, and so
when they're making a tremendous amount of money, that pressure
(28:47):
is on you also through the abuse. So I'm not
saying that the reason I even brought that up was
because when you hear the term manifestation that this is
going on, and that continuously gets pushed out with these
other things that you see in the media. Now you
start to see that maya as an investigator, not an attorney.
As an investigator, I start looking at this, and when
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these jurors start having issues, I now start asking the
question of was there a game being played at the
beginning of this to get jurors in there that may
or may not have an issue.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
You're like, you're may king.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Let me just say a stinky popore because you have
now thrown in a lot of issues to some point.
My question to you is why do you say racketeering
has not been proven?
Speaker 1 (29:35):
And you said, because it's.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
Usually used for the mob. You are familiar, I assume
with the rampart r robert A Alpha M Mother p
pony a Alpha R Robert T Toy rampart scandal where
the lapd we're prosecuted for RICO for why spread corruption
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because the head care had the minions carry it out.
So you don't have to be the mob to be
the subject of a Rico prosecution, Right, And that's just say, well,
they're not the mob.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
That's not an excuse.
Speaker 16 (30:14):
No, no. But what I'm saying, Nancy is I'm trying
to show the totalia circumstances of how the coercion was
typically used to get people to do things that were
violent or things that were nefarious in nature, such as
moving prostitutes. Right, we're paid, how that relates to this
pay the coercion coming in with the Bible, playing these
(30:35):
pressure games in front of the jurors.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
That has nothing to do with rica. That's theatrics. I agree,
it's a game.
Speaker 13 (30:41):
You are the crack pipe.
Speaker 7 (30:43):
That's my new name for you, crackpipe. He looked like
he was strung out, looked like a crackhead, great gums,
shaky hands, disgusting and the cats.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
I love you, baby, You're just you're my crack pipe.
My husband called me a crack pipe.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
It is up Dateline Special.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
We are at the Monahan Federal Courthouse bringing you the
latest of today in the case against Seawan Comebs aka Diddy.
Straight out to Sydney Sumner. There was a surprise guest
gracing the courtroom.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Guess who listen.
Speaker 15 (31:28):
I spent like all the money for a commercial.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
On these new teeth once again. I had to shoot
it on the iPhone.
Speaker 6 (31:42):
Go to easy dot com.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
That from the official Easy page.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Okay, Sidney Sumner, what does Kanye and his million dollar
titanium teeth drool have to do with Sean Combs?
Speaker 8 (31:56):
Well, Nancy, Kanye West has been one of the only
public supporters of Diddy throughout this thing, and it's interesting
because they weren't really close before this. Sean Kalm's and
Kanye West kind of had a falling out over Kanye's
White Lives Matter T shirt line and they haven't really
(32:17):
been close since then. But now that Sean Kalms is
behind bars, Kanye West has apparently been reaching out to
his sons and offering support. And we saw that devolved
from pushing Sean Jalons merchandise on his website to selling
swastika T shirts on his website in this tirade that
(32:37):
kind of unfolded during Super Bowl week.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
Oh yes, let's take a look at the swastika T
shirt Brujha.
Speaker 17 (32:47):
Within an hour of West's Super Bowl ad airing on TV,
the only item available in his shop is a twenty
dollars short sleeved white T shirt with a swastika on it.
The shirt is named HHO one. Many believe the letters
stand for Hyle Hitler. Critics and fans alike are absolutely horrified. Shopify,
(33:07):
the site's host suspends Yeezy's account within twenty four hours.
The site now reading this shop is not available, so.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
Sidney Sumner joining US Crime Stories investigative reporter on the
Shawncombs trial, Sydney. How is bringing Kanye West to the
trial helping anything for the defense?
Speaker 1 (33:30):
Wait, he did come for the defense, right, The state.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
Didn't bring him in as an ambush, did they?
Speaker 8 (33:35):
No, Nancy. Kanye answered a few reporters as he walked
into the courthouse, saying he was just there to support
Sean Combs and his children. Kanye sat in an overflow
room with Christian Combs for just a few minutes, not
even an hour, to just show his support for Sean
(33:55):
Combs apparently. But Kanye is a huge fan of drama.
He created drama nearly everywhere he goes, So a lot
of people are feeling like maybe he did this for
more selfish reasons than he claimed.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
Wow, Dodger Bethany Marshall, can you imagine putting your own
financial interest a pecuniary interests before that of your longtime friend.
So how does it help to bring in a Hitler
sympathizer for your case? How does that help anything?
Speaker 1 (34:30):
Well?
Speaker 5 (34:30):
I guess the saying is there's no such thing as
bad publicity. I think Kanye did a flyby, meaning he
just wanted to be seen walking into the courtroom being
sympathetic towards P Diddy's son, like he's like a paternal
figure of some sort, and that he's supporting P Diddy's enterprise.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
I mean, who knows.
Speaker 5 (34:52):
In his mind, he may feel that P Diddy is
going down and he'll take over his whole market in
terms of selling albums or records or whatever. So you know,
I think that we have to pick our friends carefully.
I left the term frenemy is when your friend is
actually your enemy, and in this case, it's really unsure.
I'm unsure what Kanye West motivations really are.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
By Troy Slayton joining us veneran trial lawyer out of
La Troy Slayton. I mean, with friends like this, why
would they bring Kanye to court a known Hitler sympathizer.
Speaker 10 (35:26):
I don't think Ditty's defense team had anything to do
with this. I think Kanye did this on his own
because he's selling free Diddy merchandise. If I was Ditty's
defense team, I'm not calling in Kanye West with his
with his swastikas and his hal Hitler merchandise.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
Absolutely not.
Speaker 10 (35:46):
I think Kanye did this absolutely on his own because
he's trying to sell merch He's trying to make money
off all the free publicity surrounding this trial.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
Troy Slayton, it cannot help Sean Combs, not that I
want them to be helped, but it can't help Sean
Combs for Kanye to show up. I don't know if
the yours even realized what was happening, but it's done.
Speaker 7 (36:11):
Now.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
Can I ask you very quickly, Troy Slight, I'm going
to circle back to the chaos in the courtroom surrounding
your number six. Okay, and will that be reversible error
if there's a conviction, could you explain why, whether he's black, white, purple,
or green, that juror had to.
Speaker 10 (36:32):
Go Well, I understand why the judge dismissed them, but
I also understand why it's going to be fertile ground
for appeal because there's this little thing in this country
called the Constitution, and the equal protection clause of the
fourteenth Amendment says everybody has to be treated equal. And
how that applies to this trial is that you can't
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dismiss somebody because of their race. You can't. And so
if the jurors, I mean, if.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
The prosecutor Slaton.
Speaker 10 (37:04):
Yes, Nancy, the prosecutors we all exist.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
We all accept that a juror cannot be thrown off
or thrown out of the Va Dyer process because of
their race. Bats In Vie Kentucky. It's an age old.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
Case, right.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
We all know that this jar was placed on the jury.
He was not deselected because of his race. But Troy,
he stated, he doesn't live in the jurisdiction.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
He can't be on the jury.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
You can't get wavebody, you can't waive that constitutional right.
Speaker 10 (37:42):
They didn't even give him a chance to explain, Nancy,
they kicked him out. He gave inconsistent answers. At one
point he made he said he lived in New Jersey.
The other point he said he lived in the Bronx.
So it's not clear exactly where he lived or if
he moved.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
Okay, let's get some clarification very quickly, Sidney Sumner, what
exactly did he say?
Speaker 1 (38:03):
Plays school Troy Slayton Nancy.
Speaker 8 (38:06):
The judge said that the issue of race could not
outweigh the fact that this juror was possibly lying or
trying to stay on this panel. The juror was very
unclear and whether or not he actually resided in New
Jersey or if he resided in the Bronx full time,
and that inconsistency led the judge to believe that this
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juror was not being truthful because he wanted to stay
on the panel, and the juror should not be that
invested in the case unless he had some kind of
bias toward it.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
So the judge said, I'm sorry, but his words exactly Sidney.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
Where did he say he lived?
Speaker 9 (38:49):
Well?
Speaker 8 (38:49):
At first on his jury questionnaire, this juror answered that
he lived in the Bronx with his aunt. Then in
casual conversation with court staff, he was talking about living
in New Journey with his girlfriend and his daughter. So
when it came back again, he told the judge, no, no, no,
I've spent most of my time in the Bronx. So
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we have this constant inconsistency of well, you said this,
now you said that, now you said this again. So
I don't understand what is the truth here, And at
that point he just could not be trusted.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
So he gave conflicting answers about where he lived and
isn't it true? Any summer he was given the opportunity
to explain himself, he was called into questioning by the
judge with the lawyers present.
Speaker 8 (39:35):
Yes, that's absolutely correct. So he was given a chance
to explain himself and say, you know, I just didn't
think about what I was saying when I answered this
jury questionnaire. And no, he tried to correct himself, making
that the third inconsistent statement that he made to the court.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
Okay, Troy's Latin joining me veteran trial lawyer out of
the LA jurisdiction. Troy, under our constitution, at tri you
are not allowed to waive, to waive constitutional rights such
as a right to a lawyer, Okay, a right to
cross examination, all of these. Under the sixth Amendment, you
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cannot waive a jury of your peers unless you go
with the bench trial. So here, even if even if
the state had gone along with it, that the defense
wanted to keep this JURRR, I think because he is
a Shawancomb's empathizer.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
On appeal, that is a reversible error.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
A new set of lawyers is explained at the top
of our show.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
A new set of appellate lawyers will say, well, you.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
Can't waive the right to gurrs from your jurisdiction.
Speaker 1 (40:51):
That's reversible on appeal, Troy.
Speaker 10 (40:53):
That's why Didy's attorneys were so upset they thought that
this person was a sympathetic but potentially for them instead
of bringing it was an African American UH juror, and
they're bringing in a juror, a Caucasian jur from Westchester
with a much more conservative area of New York. This
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person was a corrections officer. The person who was dismissed
was a corrections officer who said he enjoyed hip hop
and rapped from the early nineties and that he.
Speaker 1 (41:24):
Enjoyed that he was a constitution nothing.
Speaker 10 (41:27):
It has to do with whether or not the jurors
being dismissed because of a discriminatory because of a discriminatory possible.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
Please conflicting answers about where he lived. You cannot have
jurors that do not land in jurisdiction.
Speaker 10 (41:44):
It's an immediate Just because there's a conflict doesn't mean
that he was lying. Just because he said one thing
to court staff not under oath, that doesn't mean that
he was lying when he was under oath during the
vas deer process or when he was speaking to the court.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
We remember an American here Z Trooper Frankie Williams, New
Jersey State Police, just thirty one killed in a line
of duty, survived by grieving wife Kimberly and parents Victoria
and Robert.
Speaker 1 (42:13):
American hero Trooper Frankie Williams. Nancy Grace signing off goodbye friend,
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Baby oil so deep at a free cough it causes
to slip and falls.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Just hold that mental image.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
This as Diddy bringing a book into court so he
can manifest a verdict. Okay, good luck with that. This
as jerr R six gets the boot.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
I'm Nancy Grace.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
This is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for
being with us.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
He abused everybody on every level.
Speaker 4 (00:35):
A lot of them have never come forward. They'd rather
just disappear, forget about it. They're too scared.
Speaker 5 (00:41):
Diddy was menacing, threatening, intimidating.
Speaker 6 (00:45):
She talked about how he was violent, he was threatening.
Speaker 7 (00:48):
They are terrified of him.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Oh my god.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
That is absolutely inhumane, inexcusable treatment of another human being.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Straight out to the Manahan Federal Courthouse where Seawan Combs
aka Diddy facing a multi count federal indictment including rico
and sex trafficking. Standing by outside the courthouse is investigative
reporter and host of TISA Tails on YouTube, Tisa Tales,
Tisa thank you for being with us.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
A lot happening in court today.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Let's just kick it off, pardon the pun with Juror
number six getting kicked off, booted off the jury.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
What happened.
Speaker 7 (01:29):
So we went into the courtroom and it was solemn.
Oddly enough did he came in with a smile on
his face like he had just won the golden ticket
from Willy Wonka. However, that smile disappeared when the judge
actually laid out in a very surgical, precise manner, exactly
why he wasn't getting his dream. However, there was another
(01:49):
shock upset where after he dismissed you German number six,
and we'll get into that, he actually said there is
a second juror that is up on the line for
possible dismissal, and he invited both sides to write a
list of questions so they can question a juror and
see if the new juror will actually be allowed to
stay to So a lot was going on in the
court today.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Okay, tast of tails remind us all how many alternates
we've got in the hopper.
Speaker 7 (02:15):
So right now we have officially five alternates. It started
a classic set, you know, a jurors doesn't and then
there were six alternates. Now that one man has moved
in to the place. If you're a number six, there
are five alternates left. And with the second jar. If
there's less, it looks like we might be down to
four alternates.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Tasta tails Did the court acknowledge who the next juror
that may get the boot is?
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Which jurr is it?
Speaker 7 (02:42):
So the court didn't give any identifying information except for
the fact. And this goes into the judge giving such
a hard line. As you saw the judge laying out
Toy's space just looked like a very very bad day.
Shoulders started falling, he started looking angrily at his lawyers.
All the judge did say is that this juror in
question actually approached the court and said, Hey, I don't
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know what's going on, just wanted to be candid with you.
That seems to be the magic word of the hour.
I want to be candid with you. And because of
that candor, the judge is now taking that to invicement.
But they haven't given any identifying information and they are
trying to keep this under wraps.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Okay, let me understand what you just said, Tisa Tailors
joining us outside the Monahan Federal Courthouse, TISA number one,
j'r six gone out of there booted. We'll get into
wine just a moment. And of course, it's the ground
for another motion of miss Tralla mistrial by Shawn Combe's
defense team.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Is it valid?
Speaker 2 (03:43):
No, But you know, you never know if you get
one wacko appellate judge what might go wrong with that.
That said, now another jarar is in jeopardy. Now, are
you telling me that the second questionable.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
There are approach the court themselves?
Speaker 7 (04:03):
Yes, that is what my sources are telling me. That
the second juror actually approached the court themselves. Showed that
candor that everybody is that sid magic word, showed that candor,
and the judge invited both sides to say, listen, write
your list of questions for the jurors and for the juror,
and later on we will ax those questions. Again, they're
(04:23):
being a super tight lipt. They're probably going to clear
the court room. But as of now, we were shocked,
and Ditty was shocked too that there was a second juror.
Literally when he said the second jur in question, Diddy
had to look like what is going on and was
looking at his defense team furiously. After that, the jurors
hadn't been bombed yet. They were in huddles just to
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defense team the prosecution cool and calm sitting there going
over there notes on how they're going to destroy Diddy
today and the defense team was in crisis.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Meltdownload, okay, hold on just a moment.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Joining me at the courthouse is Taste of Tails straight
out to City Sun, joining US Crime Stories investigative reporter
also covering the courthouse, Sidney. Do you have you been
able to speculate yet which juror the second juror in jeopardy.
Speaker 8 (05:13):
May be Nancy? We don't know, but it surprises me
that Combs was so shocked by this, and that could
mean a number of things. But we know that behind
bars he was actively trying to weigh the jury a
little bit.
Speaker 9 (05:27):
He's getting all of his kids to participate in these
pr campaigns to make him look like a loving father
and not the man that the government is making him
out to be.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Or they You know, again, when you don't know a horse,
look at his track record.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
We know and Sydney and Tasa jump in if you
need to.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
We know that apparently Sean Combs has tried to influence
witnesses from behind bars and has.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Been reprimanded about that.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Would he go so far as to try and contact
a Gurr joining me veteran trial lawyer Troy Slayton, criminal
defense attorney out of LA at Slayton Lawyers, Troy that
will take the cake. If this juror is approaching the
judge saying, somebody contacted me over the weekend, I find
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it really interesting that this is happening on a Monday, right.
What if anything happened over the weekend to shake this
juror into approaching the bench with a problem.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
What about it? What else could have happened over the weekend.
Speaker 10 (06:40):
It could be any number of things, Nancy. And it
looks like all the jurors have the fear of God
in them because one jur has been dismissed. And if
it's found that that jur who is dismissed actually lied
during the dear process, which is the jury questioning, you know,
let the truth come out. That's what the Latin phrase means, Nancy.
(07:02):
As you know, then all the jurors could be really
fearful and thinking about geez, did I say anything wrong?
Did I make a mistake during voidir But this is
a great opportunity for the defense to get a mistrial
because if Diddy's attorneys can show that this that a
juror is being dismissed for a racial reason. Then they're
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going to make what's called a bats in motion to
get a whole new trial, which would mean that everything
that they've seen so far is just a preview.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
This is what we're hearing.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
We're hearing that this juror I'm calling it juror the
second juror.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
Okay, you'r six is gone.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
That's saber with And I'm going to go into why,
because now it's an issue for a mistrial. Right is
it valid? No, it's not valid. The judge did the
right thing. And I think even you, Troy Slater and
gonna agree with me on this.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
But that's it.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
And remember keeping in mind, Troy, as you know already
you're a veteran trial lawyer, copellot team is going to
be a completely different team than the trial lawyers.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Typically, that's true, right.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
One of the reasons, and the trial lawyers know this
is because the appellate team, if there's a conviction, it's
going to be appealed.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Of course, the appellate.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Team will claim, right or wrong, that the trial lawyers
were ineffective, that they did this wrong, they did that wrong,
and that is SOP standard operating procedure. Every defense attorney
knows if there's a conviction, they're going to be accused
of ineffective assistance a counsel on appeal. Why they're willing
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to undergo that to help their client get a reversal.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
It's part of the fee.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
Let me just say so.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
My point is a new appella team would be handling
this on appeal so they can attack the trial team
saying they should have let this jurr be thrown off.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
This wasn't right.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
We demand a new trial. Now as to juror number two, Troy,
listen to this. This is what I'm learning. Let me
say the second gerar all right, I don't know the
gr number attached to the juror.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
The GURR approached the judge.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
The judge has asked to see the gurrr's phone. The
phone was handed over and is going to be examined.
We understand the second questionable gurr was questioned over a conversation.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
He may have had with a colleague.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Okay, let's interpret that because you know, Troy, have you
ever run out of alternates? I have not, and the
reason is I typically would pick at least six alternates
for a trial, but for a long lasting trial that's
going to be over three weeks, you need a stable
of alternates because anything could go wrong. I have had
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girrs drop out, have you.
Speaker 10 (09:55):
I've had jurors drop out. I've had jurors get kicked out.
I've had jurors get sick. But I've never run out
of jurors. We've gone down to zero alternates before in
a jury trial, but I've never had a mistrial because
of a lack of jurors. But it can happen.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
But I know that Diddy's cannap and I've had stars
on a couple of cases get off because one a
husband had a heart attack, she had to go to
another jurr art was having chest pains. They had to
go and something about child care. It wasn't critical, but
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the woman was so upset about not sure she had
childcare for the next day.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
I didn't think she could focus.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
And I really liked her, but she was so distracted
and upset about her child care situation we cut her loose.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
Those are just the ones I remember off the top
of my head.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
And I don't like going to an alternate because I
like my twelve that I picked, but you got to
do what.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
You got to do.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
But here I think they should have had more than
six alternates. But that said, this is where we are
right now and Bethany Marshall joining us. Real psychoanalyst out
of the Barely Hills jurisdiction, author of deal Breakers. You
can see her now on Peacock and find her at
doctor Bethany Marshall dot com. Doctor Bethany, here's the thing.
(11:14):
Did you hear Tasa Tales?
Speaker 8 (11:15):
You know?
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Let me go back for a refresher, then I'll tell
you up for you again, Bethany, Tasa Tales. You stated
that in the midst of juror number six, potentially getting
kicked off, Seawn Comms came into the court room looking
oh happy.
Speaker 7 (11:29):
Happy as static. There were smiles everywhere, and I literally said,
what are they telling, Diddy, Because even though yourself and
a lot of legal professionals are saying there is no
way in hell a misschild is happening. He always seemed happy,
but today he was almost on his tippy toes, floating
into court with an air of happiness.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Again.
Speaker 7 (11:51):
He had I think two motions for a mistrial. He
had the jural number six. I think he thought he
had the deck stack. But again, justice is the house
that he's playing against, and they literally had they call.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
It black chat.
Speaker 7 (12:05):
So it was a lot going on. But I've never
seen somebody that happy for motions that we're just on
smoking air. Does very odd to.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
See, Yeah, especially when the emotions are against him. They're
they're the tide is against him on these motions. So
doctor Bethany, he's happy. Why does he know something we
don't know? I would not put it past him strictly
based on the fact that we believe he was trying
to dissuade witnesses from coming forward, and we.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Know that for a fact.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Do you think that anybody has gotten to a girrar?
Speaker 5 (12:43):
Well, you know, Nancy, he's manifesting a not guilty verdict,
So of course he's happy because his prayers have worked.
I mean, seriously, Pete, did he has such a vast
network it would we would have to have an org
chart to try to figure out who he's gotten in
touch with. It's probably multiple people. But you know, Nancy,
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two words come to mind, Becky Hill. Remember that the
Colton County clerk who wrote a book about the Murdoch trial,
and then after she wrote the book, she realized she
could get in trouble for it. So there's also a
possibility that the jur number two realized that he or
she had done things that they would get in trouble
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for if it came to light, so they had to
turn themselves in after Juror number six was dismissed.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
So Sidney Sumner joining US crime story is investigative reporter
Jurrr six was booted because he lives outside the jurisdiction.
That is reversible error. For instance, Uh, let's just pretend you, Sydney,
are being tried for murder. We can't fly somebody in
from Utah to be on your jury.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
That is the law.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
The jurors must in the jurisdiction where the case is
being tried.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
Get it now. If it's a state case, such.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
As you know, murder Ray Chamlay Station, the jura must
come from that county. In a federal trial, this is
a district It encompasses several counties within the district. The
federal district however, that's in New York. This jur is
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residing in New Jersey. That is not in the jurisdiction
Is that right, Sydney. Is that why the jarar was booted.
Speaker 8 (14:37):
That's exactly why the juror was booted, Nancy. But further
than that, he also was not handed again that word
of the day when he was questioned and pressed on
this issue. So he first answered that he lived in
the Bronx and he lived there with his aunt and
occasionally spent time in New Jersey with his girlfriend.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
And his daughter.
Speaker 8 (15:01):
Then when he was gradually talking about this with court staff,
he was like, Oh, actually, I really live in New Jersey.
I don't spend that much time in the Bronx. And
when he was questioned by the judge later, he said, oh, no, no, no, no,
I wasn't telling the truth when I said that. So
he flipped back and forth on his answers pretty frequently,
and he did admit in his initial questioning that he
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was a fan of nineties hip hop. So the judge
was led to believe that this juror had a reason
to want to stay on this jury, and the issue
of his actual residence became lesser to the fact that
he lied about it multiple times.
Speaker 11 (15:39):
The court learned today that Juror number six was less
than truthful about his address when the jury was impaneled.
While the juror answered truthfully that he lived in the
Bronx on his original questionnaire, in the last two weeks
he moved out of the court jurisdiction. The juror brought
up his move in friendly conversation with court staff, but
they later realized the possible ramifications of his admission and
reported it. Judge initially believed the juror may have had
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a perfectly innocent explanation for the lapse in judgment, but
at the end of the cour day ultimately decided to
dismiss the juror.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Joining us now outside the Monahan Courthouse in downtown Manhattan.
Lauren Conlin, star of Pop Crime TV, on YouTube, Lauren,
thank you for being with us, Lauren. I understand that
there was so much baby oil at a free cough.
We have already heard about two slip and falls.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Listen, Lauren.
Speaker 12 (16:34):
Jonathan Perez is Shawn Combs's fourth assistant to take the
stand with Community. Perez testifies that he worked directly under
Christina Koram, who instructed him on setting up King Knights,
which korm described as Combs's private time with a woman.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
Perez says the task was usually left.
Speaker 12 (16:48):
To the Knight's staff, and he only set up for
about five of these nights. Perez even had to purchase
lingerie for Jane. For the king Knights, Perees says he
cleaned up the messy rooms afterward, and they were often
covered in oil. Replying to Korum about how a cleanup
was going, Perez texted, slipped and fell twice already. Perez
says Combs also sent him to pick up drugs.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Okay, objection, ew what happened? The guys had two slip
and falls in all the oil.
Speaker 13 (17:17):
Yes, Unfortunately, that is what we saw in evidence when
we saw these text messages between Christina Korum and Jonathan Perez,
one of Ditty's assistants. We also saw a text message
from Christina Korum to Jane actually stating that.
Speaker 14 (17:35):
The rooms that she and Ditty would use there always
would be extra damage charges because they were all white
and more oil filled than normal.
Speaker 13 (17:46):
So it's been a bit stomach turning.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
Nancy.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Joining us now outside the Monahan Courthouse is Tasa Tails. Tisa,
I understand that Sean Combs has been First of all,
he tried the Bible, Okay.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
Then I guess this. Lawyers told him that's not a
good idea. You need to stop that right now. Reading
the Bible in front of the jury. Now, if he
had any.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
History of ever going to church or reading the Bible
in the past, it might not.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Have been a bad move. But using the Bible.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
As a prop, I'm surprised he wasn't.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Struck by a bolt of lightning. That said. Now he's
got a new book he's bringing into court, The Magic
of Believing.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Now, if I'm right, that's all about manifesting your truth,
like manifesting a not guilty.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
Is this real?
Speaker 7 (18:37):
It is actually real? He has some sort of manifestation book.
But again, well each week at this point, I think
he's going to bring in a Guide to the Dark
Arts from Hogwarts. If we let him keep going, he
is sliding down the walls. And the thing is he
keeps trying to bring.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
In these props to me.
Speaker 7 (18:56):
The Bible perfect prop for him. Okay, like you said
about to have thunder and lightening in the courtroom. Now
he's all about manifesting. He's trying to remind us of
the brain marching he gave the nation for the last
ten years and bring that in but at this point
it's turned into a joke, which makes me believe how
much is art is a legal team actually monitoring social
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media because this is turned into a joke again, what
is he going to bring in? What is he going
to bring in next? How to make friends and win enemies?
I mean, no one really knows what's going on. So
again Diddy is trying his best to turn this into
a circus. But the judge has a firm hold on
the courtroom and he's letting it know this is going
to be above board. So he's struggling. He's definitely struggling.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Sean Combs in the courtroom manifesting I'm not guilty verdict.
Speaker 15 (19:44):
Listen is Sean did he Combs trying to manifest and
not guilty verdict? The music mogul has been spotted carrying
a self help book, The Magic of Believing, back and
forth to court. Legal experts say it isn't uncommon for
defendants to turn to some sort of coping mechanism during
lengthy and streng ressful trials, and Colmb's Book of Choice
is used by many for mental fortitude in challenging situations.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 15 (20:18):
Legal experts say it isn't uncommon for defendants to turn
to some sort of coping mechanism during lengthy and stressful trials,
and Colmb's Book of Choice is used by many for
mental fortitude in challenging situations.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Doctor Bethany manifesting for those of us that aren't really
familiar with that, could you explain what it is? Is
it like, oh, wish it and it comes true, like
I dream of Genie?
Speaker 8 (20:44):
You know?
Speaker 11 (20:44):
You know.
Speaker 5 (20:44):
Manifesting is this idea that if you form a thought
in your mind, you can materialize it in the environment.
So let's say you want to be an actress. You meditate,
and you imagine yourself in front of the camera being happy, enjoying, being,
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you know, getting your next oscar, and that if you
can sum it up enough feelings about that event, then
you can rearrange sort of what's going on in the
environment to make that event happen. I mean, you know
whether or not this is true?
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Okay? So p did he controls you actually just say
whether or not this is true?
Speaker 3 (21:31):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Whether did you say that? Because I think you did?
Whether it's not true? How about going.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
To school and getting a job to advance your goal.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
What about what?
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Okay, So you don't tell your clients athletes sit there
and wish it and it will happen.
Speaker 5 (21:48):
Okay, Okay, So, just like p did, he tries to
control his victims. I think he's trying to control God.
I mean, it's like he's trying to go to the universe.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
His wishes meant Bethany, Please, unless we really need to
drag God into this, let's please leave him her out
of it. Just first of all, you invaded the question.
Do you tell your clients to manifest?
Speaker 5 (22:13):
I do not, but many of my Beverly Hills clients
come in with a goal. They're trying to manifest, so
I try to turn it into real life, you know,
actualization meeting acting on their own behalf to reach the goal.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Okay, now you're losing me. You're totally losing me in
all the words or lot of words. Okay, thank goodness.
You don't tell your clients to manifest?
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Lynn Shaw joining me founder director Lyn's Warriors, a nonprofit which.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
Means a lot. She's not in it for the money.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Dedicated to ending sex exploitation and trafficking of women and girls.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
I bet they wish the victims.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
That they could manifest this thing never happened, that they
were not raped according to the state they were and
video and then blackmailed with the videos.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
I left out the drugging part and drugged.
Speaker 6 (23:05):
Yeah, Nancy, Well, I have news for everybody because I
manifest with victims and survivors of sex trafficking, rape abuse.
I actually tell them, think positive thoughts, stay in this
lane with positivity, think how.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
You want it to look. So I'm manifesting left and
right all over New York City and across our country.
You know what we're losing sight of while all this
is going on, And it's very important what's happening week six,
But you know what we're not talking about alleged victims,
alleged survivors of this smug thug, Triple D Dirty Diddy,
degenerate running amok in my hometown for years. It's very
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concerning when we hear from TISA. You know that he
comes in so positive into the courtroom and all of
this attention is being put on that what does he know,
because I'll tell you what, he for decades in New
York City has been getting away with everything. It's very
concerning to me that this is happening. What about we're
not talking at all about these alleged victims survived.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Where are more of them?
Speaker 6 (24:01):
I want to see more of them on the stand.
There's lots of people complicit here. Why aren't we hearing
from them? So it remains to be seen. But I
leave you with this, Yes, with anybody who's been attacked
or is down in the dumps, is depressed, is even suicidal.
I actually tell them manifest positive thoughts, stay positive, stay
a warrior. And I use that technique all the time,
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and you know what they get back to me. It
seems to always help them a little bit. So that's
a little bit positivity there. But as far as Triple
D Dirty Diddy degenerate, we don't care at all about
him and his manifestations and his Bibles. It's disgusting and
he's going down.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Let me speak to someone in law enforcement that maybe
I can understand what they're saying.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Jonathan gilliam is joining me, former Navy seal, let's start
with that.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
FBI Special agent, Federal Air Marshall and police officer, author
of Sheep Know More, The Art of Awareness and Attack Survival,
Star Off the Experts podcast Jonathan Gilliam. Jonathan, I threw
that question to land Shaw. I got an answer, but
it was an evasive You can go ahead and cut
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her mic right now. It was an evasive answer, Jonathan,
because I asked about seawan Combe's manifesting a not guilty verdict,
and she responded that she has crime victims manifest positivity.
Now manifesting positivity, that's stay positive. I'm all for that.
I'm all for expecting the best outcome, absolutely expecting it
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and trying to make it happen. Work to make it happen,
but be prepared if it doesn't happen. Having a positive
attitude is very different from manifesting a jury verdict or
manifesting conjuring up anything. The world doesn't work that way,
Jonathan Gilliam. It boils down to do the jurors believe
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the state's witnesses. The states witnesses all under went severe
cross examination. I'd like to hear you, out of all
your years of taking cases to juries, tell me if
you think the state has corroborated the victims well enough
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so far.
Speaker 16 (26:14):
I don't think so. I'll tell you something, Nancy, from
the very beginning of this and going back and looking
at the way this case has gone forward. I think
that when you look at what the prosecution is trying
to prove, and you look at how the witnesses come
in and what they've testified to, it doesn't meet so
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far the threshold on a lot of the charges that
they've brought up. And then you need to specific well
I'm getting to when you look at the jury you
made a lot.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Of the charges have not been proven well, racketeering for instance,
so far we've not seen really any evidence of racketeering
beyond Sean Didty Coombs himself running a very hostile work
environment and engage with prostitutes? Okay, hold on, Jonathan, have
you been covering the testimony because we now have the
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fourth assistant be given immunity for completing illegal acts at
the behest of Sean comes. So when your employees are
told by you to perform criminal acts to further a crime,
that is rico for witnesses so far given immunity. One
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obtained illegal drugs, One went with a gun to hunt
down Shug Night for a proposed attack on night. Others
had transportation plans to bring in sex workers for an
illegal act. Another accountant described sending an extortion email, and
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there's much much more. A bodyguard went and physically dragg
casti Ventura back for a free cough. A bribe was
conducted at the behest of Shawn Comes. Those are crimes,
and they further a criminal act. So explain to me
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how that is not racketeering.
Speaker 16 (28:25):
Well, so, usually typically when we look at the mafia
and how racketeering has been used, it's by people who
are not coerced into doing these things. And from what
we've seen to underline, motivation of most of these people
is that they were coerced. They had pressure on them,
they thought they would be ruined or fired, and so
when they're making a tremendous amount of money, that pressure
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is on you also through the abuse. So I'm not
saying that the reason I even brought that up was
because when you hear the term manifestation that this is
going on, and that continuously gets pushed out with these
other things that you see in the media. Now you
start to see that maya as an investigator, not an attorney.
As an investigator, I start looking at this, and when
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these jurors start having issues, I now start asking the
question of was there a game being played at the
beginning of this to get jurors in there that may
or may not have an issue.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
You're like, you're may king.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Let me just say a stinky popore because you have
now thrown in a lot of issues to some point.
My question to you is why do you say racketeering
has not been proven?
Speaker 1 (29:35):
And you said, because it's.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
Usually used for the mob. You are familiar, I assume
with the rampart r robert A Alpha M Mother p
pony a Alpha R Robert T Toy rampart scandal where
the lapd we're prosecuted for RICO for why spread corruption
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because the head care had the minions carry it out.
So you don't have to be the mob to be
the subject of a Rico prosecution, Right, And that's just say, well,
they're not the mob.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
That's not an excuse.
Speaker 16 (30:14):
No, no. But what I'm saying, Nancy is I'm trying
to show the totalia circumstances of how the coercion was
typically used to get people to do things that were
violent or things that were nefarious in nature, such as
moving prostitutes. Right, we're paid, how that relates to this
pay the coercion coming in with the Bible, playing these
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pressure games in front of the jurors.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
That has nothing to do with rica. That's theatrics. I agree,
it's a game.
Speaker 13 (30:41):
You are the crack pipe.
Speaker 7 (30:43):
That's my new name for you, crackpipe. He looked like
he was strung out, looked like a crackhead, great gums,
shaky hands, disgusting and the cats.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
I love you, baby, You're just you're my crack pipe.
My husband called me a crack pipe.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
It is up Dateline Special.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
We are at the Monahan Federal Courthouse bringing you the
latest of today in the case against Seawan Comebs aka Diddy.
Straight out to Sydney Sumner. There was a surprise guest
gracing the courtroom.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Guess who listen.
Speaker 15 (31:28):
I spent like all the money for a commercial.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
On these new teeth once again. I had to shoot
it on the iPhone.
Speaker 6 (31:42):
Go to easy dot com.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
That from the official Easy page.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Okay, Sidney Sumner, what does Kanye and his million dollar
titanium teeth drool have to do with Sean Combs?
Speaker 8 (31:56):
Well, Nancy, Kanye West has been one of the only
public supporters of Diddy throughout this thing, and it's interesting
because they weren't really close before this. Sean Kalm's and
Kanye West kind of had a falling out over Kanye's
White Lives Matter T shirt line and they haven't really
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been close since then. But now that Sean Kalms is
behind bars, Kanye West has apparently been reaching out to
his sons and offering support. And we saw that devolved
from pushing Sean Jalons merchandise on his website to selling
swastika T shirts on his website in this tirade that
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kind of unfolded during Super Bowl week.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
Oh yes, let's take a look at the swastika T
shirt Brujha.
Speaker 17 (32:47):
Within an hour of West's Super Bowl ad airing on TV,
the only item available in his shop is a twenty
dollars short sleeved white T shirt with a swastika on it.
The shirt is named HHO one. Many believe the letters
stand for Hyle Hitler. Critics and fans alike are absolutely horrified. Shopify,
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the site's host suspends Yeezy's account within twenty four hours.
The site now reading this shop is not available, so.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
Sidney Sumner joining US Crime Stories investigative reporter on the
Shawncombs trial, Sydney. How is bringing Kanye West to the
trial helping anything for the defense?
Speaker 1 (33:30):
Wait, he did come for the defense, right, The state.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
Didn't bring him in as an ambush, did they?
Speaker 8 (33:35):
No, Nancy. Kanye answered a few reporters as he walked
into the courthouse, saying he was just there to support
Sean Combs and his children. Kanye sat in an overflow
room with Christian Combs for just a few minutes, not
even an hour, to just show his support for Sean
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Combs apparently. But Kanye is a huge fan of drama.
He created drama nearly everywhere he goes, So a lot
of people are feeling like maybe he did this for
more selfish reasons than he claimed.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
Wow, Dodger Bethany Marshall, can you imagine putting your own
financial interest a pecuniary interests before that of your longtime friend.
So how does it help to bring in a Hitler
sympathizer for your case? How does that help anything?
Speaker 1 (34:30):
Well?
Speaker 5 (34:30):
I guess the saying is there's no such thing as
bad publicity. I think Kanye did a flyby, meaning he
just wanted to be seen walking into the courtroom being
sympathetic towards P Diddy's son, like he's like a paternal
figure of some sort, and that he's supporting P Diddy's enterprise.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
I mean, who knows.
Speaker 5 (34:52):
In his mind, he may feel that P Diddy is
going down and he'll take over his whole market in
terms of selling albums or records or whatever. So you know,
I think that we have to pick our friends carefully.
I left the term frenemy is when your friend is
actually your enemy, and in this case, it's really unsure.
I'm unsure what Kanye West motivations really are.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
By Troy Slayton joining us veneran trial lawyer out of
La Troy Slayton. I mean, with friends like this, why
would they bring Kanye to court a known Hitler sympathizer.
Speaker 10 (35:26):
I don't think Ditty's defense team had anything to do
with this. I think Kanye did this on his own
because he's selling free Diddy merchandise. If I was Ditty's
defense team, I'm not calling in Kanye West with his
with his swastikas and his hal Hitler merchandise.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
Absolutely not.
Speaker 10 (35:46):
I think Kanye did this absolutely on his own because
he's trying to sell merch He's trying to make money
off all the free publicity surrounding this trial.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
Troy Slayton, it cannot help Sean Combs, not that I
want them to be helped, but it can't help Sean
Combs for Kanye to show up. I don't know if
the yours even realized what was happening, but it's done.
Speaker 7 (36:11):
Now.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
Can I ask you very quickly, Troy Slight, I'm going
to circle back to the chaos in the courtroom surrounding
your number six. Okay, and will that be reversible error
if there's a conviction, could you explain why, whether he's black, white, purple,
or green, that juror had to.
Speaker 10 (36:32):
Go Well, I understand why the judge dismissed them, but
I also understand why it's going to be fertile ground
for appeal because there's this little thing in this country
called the Constitution, and the equal protection clause of the
fourteenth Amendment says everybody has to be treated equal. And
how that applies to this trial is that you can't
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dismiss somebody because of their race. You can't. And so
if the jurors, I mean, if.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
The prosecutor Slaton.
Speaker 10 (37:04):
Yes, Nancy, the prosecutors we all exist.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
We all accept that a juror cannot be thrown off
or thrown out of the Va Dyer process because of
their race. Bats In Vie Kentucky. It's an age old.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
Case, right.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
We all know that this jar was placed on the jury.
He was not deselected because of his race. But Troy,
he stated, he doesn't live in the jurisdiction.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
He can't be on the jury.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
You can't get wavebody, you can't waive that constitutional right.
Speaker 10 (37:42):
They didn't even give him a chance to explain, Nancy,
they kicked him out. He gave inconsistent answers. At one
point he made he said he lived in New Jersey.
The other point he said he lived in the Bronx.
So it's not clear exactly where he lived or if
he moved.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
Okay, let's get some clarification very quickly, Sidney Sumner, what
exactly did he say?
Speaker 1 (38:03):
Plays school Troy Slayton Nancy.
Speaker 8 (38:06):
The judge said that the issue of race could not
outweigh the fact that this juror was possibly lying or
trying to stay on this panel. The juror was very
unclear and whether or not he actually resided in New
Jersey or if he resided in the Bronx full time,
and that inconsistency led the judge to believe that this
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juror was not being truthful because he wanted to stay
on the panel, and the juror should not be that
invested in the case unless he had some kind of
bias toward it.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
So the judge said, I'm sorry, but his words exactly Sidney.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
Where did he say he lived?
Speaker 9 (38:49):
Well?
Speaker 8 (38:49):
At first on his jury questionnaire, this juror answered that
he lived in the Bronx with his aunt. Then in
casual conversation with court staff, he was talking about living
in New Journey with his girlfriend and his daughter. So
when it came back again, he told the judge, no, no, no,
I've spent most of my time in the Bronx. So
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we have this constant inconsistency of well, you said this,
now you said that, now you said this again. So
I don't understand what is the truth here, And at
that point he just could not be trusted.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
So he gave conflicting answers about where he lived and
isn't it true? Any summer he was given the opportunity
to explain himself, he was called into questioning by the
judge with the lawyers present.
Speaker 8 (39:35):
Yes, that's absolutely correct. So he was given a chance
to explain himself and say, you know, I just didn't
think about what I was saying when I answered this
jury questionnaire. And no, he tried to correct himself, making
that the third inconsistent statement that he made to the court.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
Okay, Troy's Latin joining me veteran trial lawyer out of
the LA jurisdiction. Troy, under our constitution, at tri you
are not allowed to waive, to waive constitutional rights such
as a right to a lawyer, Okay, a right to
cross examination, all of these. Under the sixth Amendment, you
(40:14):
cannot waive a jury of your peers unless you go
with the bench trial. So here, even if even if
the state had gone along with it, that the defense
wanted to keep this JURRR, I think because he is
a Shawancomb's empathizer.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
On appeal, that is a reversible error.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
A new set of lawyers is explained at the top
of our show.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
A new set of appellate lawyers will say, well, you.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
Can't waive the right to gurrs from your jurisdiction.
Speaker 1 (40:51):
That's reversible on appeal, Troy.
Speaker 10 (40:53):
That's why Didy's attorneys were so upset they thought that
this person was a sympathetic but potentially for them instead
of bringing it was an African American UH juror, and
they're bringing in a juror, a Caucasian jur from Westchester
with a much more conservative area of New York. This
(41:14):
person was a corrections officer. The person who was dismissed
was a corrections officer who said he enjoyed hip hop
and rapped from the early nineties and that he.
Speaker 1 (41:24):
Enjoyed that he was a constitution nothing.
Speaker 10 (41:27):
It has to do with whether or not the jurors
being dismissed because of a discriminatory because of a discriminatory possible.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
Please conflicting answers about where he lived. You cannot have
jurors that do not land in jurisdiction.
Speaker 10 (41:44):
It's an immediate Just because there's a conflict doesn't mean
that he was lying. Just because he said one thing
to court staff not under oath, that doesn't mean that
he was lying when he was under oath during the
vas deer process or when he was speaking to the court.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
We remember an American here Z Trooper Frankie Williams, New
Jersey State Police, just thirty one killed in a line
of duty, survived by grieving wife Kimberly and parents Victoria
and Robert.
Speaker 1 (42:13):
American hero Trooper Frankie Williams. Nancy Grace signing off goodbye friend,
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